No Jumper - Savv4x on Toronto Hood Politics, Drake vs Kendrick, Canada Joining the USA & More

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

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No jumper coolest podcast in the world and today I'm having to sit down with one of the hottest Up and coming rappers out of Toronto right now. We got Sab 4X in the building. How you feeling? Yeah, yeah. Hyped to be doing this. This is your first ever interview, huh? Yeah. Damn, yeah, I'm excited. It's pretty much an honor because I feel like you're definitely going places. You got some really good music. You should. Definitely. So, yeah, let's take it right from the beginning before we get into everything you got going on these days. you're from Malvern

which is like a subsection of Toronto. Yeah, Scarborough. Okay. Um, yeah, what was it like? What kind of environment is this? Well, can any other environment, I guess. Not crazy, but I still got your shit, you know? Okay. So,

were you seeing some wild stuff take place from an early age or was it pretty tame? Well, I guess you could say that. But those are pretty nice. normal for the most part. Okay. Because a lot of people, like, even in L.A., you know, we kind of talk about Toronto, like, it's just one of these really crazy cities where there's just, we're always hearing

wild tales coming out there, kind of like Chicago or Philly or whatever. Toronto's definitely one of those cities, but it's more like really who like you surround yourself. It's good and bad people everywhere, you know? Definitely. But do you feel like you were surrounded by a lot of negative? influences from a young age or was it kind of like your choice? I guess.

Yeah, I don't know. Because, like, you see how you says your choice? It's more like something like that. Okay. You're not really forced to like do much, but like circumstances. You know, I kind of force you to do certain things. Yeah. I've seen a lot of people.

I wouldn't say force you do certain things. I force you into a certain direction. Mm-hmm. Is more what I would say. I mean, I've seen every version of this I feel like on the podcast over the years from like dudes who are totally normal kids and then they had something bad happened to somebody that they loved and they just became a completely different person in a very short period of time like losing people early just going

through the same regular share everybody like other people go through you know definitely what kind of kid would you say that you were me well I said for the most part I was a good kid I was a good kid a good kid but like fucking Reyes sir Okay What kind of kid

Would you say That you were Growing up At a young age For the most part I was a good kid But like you know Circumstances

Changed certainly like you know Uh huh Yeah Did you have your mom And your dad In your life Yeah I don't know

Because like my pops Is around But not as much As he should have been You know Okay That was mostly mom Okay. And you have brothers and sisters?

Yeah. I have... I got two older brothers. I have one of my dad's head and one of my mom. Okay. And did you feel like they were a big factor in your upbringing? Oh, sure. My older brother, my older brother is like... He was my pops at the point. Like, he taught me everything I know, you know?

And then like when I was like 15 or 16, he passed away. So that's super affected my. like that's on everything kind of changed you know script completely fit really okay so yeah I mean would you say that you were like pretty much a totally straight-laced normal kid up to that point did you start getting in trouble because you see like if you go around like they say I don't know if you're no Canada like that like if you fucking put me with like a fucking some kid from barrier or something. They wouldn't look at the shit that I look at as normal as normal, you know?

So I kind of like, like, I don't want to say like I had their craziest upbringing because my childhood is normal for the most far, you know, but there was definitely some shit that you would look at like, well, do you have one memory in particular aside from your brother losing his life, which is when you were like 15, so you're kind of older, but do you have a memory when you're younger where that stands out to you as you kind of having this realization of like, oh, this isn't just a regular place? there's crazy shit that happens here. A little dumb shit like,

fuck, that's a good example. There's so much shit I can say, but I'm trying to, like, think, like... You have, like, a lot of different filters in your brain. Yeah, like, I don't want to say nothing too crazy. Right. Fucking... I guess I can say, like, how, like, the other kids were around me, like, certain shit was normal to us.

We were, like, fucking 10-11 smoking weed. Fucking 13 still. cars and shit or dumb shit like that really and was it like older dudes putting you on how to do something like steal a car or not not really

because you see like I see like a lot of these fucking like American hudders niggas have like big homies and shit like that it's not like that and kind of it's a bunch of fucking

little niggas running wild really it's no structure at all that's why it turns out the way it does you know

so you feel like dudes by the time they're 30 or whatever they're not really involved with any of the street stuff in the same way usually not really is for sure but like

niggas niggas don't do enough to earn that title like big homie like you're just one of older guys I guess definitely when we talk to like younger dudes from Chicago or some shit they that's like one thing that they find super weirder by L.A. that there's like 50 year old

dudes that are still like kind of consumed by gang shit street shit that that's just like a huge part of their personality still like they expect dudes to kind of let that go by the time they get to a certain age. Yeah. I don't know.

I say, fuck, if you make it away, you make it away if you don't, then you gotta do it, right? Right. So, okay. Up till that point, though, you would say that you were, like, kind of a regular kid.

Like, what was your relationship like with your older brothers, though? Were they, like, trying to keep you out of trouble? Or were they kind of getting you into trouble? Okay, so, like, you see, like, how I said my one older bro is from my dad's side. So, like, him, I barely got to see him. Probably, like, once her type of month.

My older brother was always there. but him we were super close from all super young and I was my dog even though there was like a fucking a big ass age gap like there wasn't really like a division between us you know like we've always kind of been super tight definitely um and so when he lost his life how much can you say about what that situation was oh like like to me or like I mean, how it went down or what it was like for you finding out and processing it. No, because that situation was crazy.

I'm not going to laugh. Like how I went on? Like, to me, I don't even really know to the full extent. I know my mom fell in him in his house. So it was kind of like, well, mom, like, went down some regular shit. Fucking, like, I kind of, like, had, like, a weird feeling because nobody was answering their phone. Mm. after a while

and then my fucking cousin message me and they're like you're strong of your bro I didn't say nothing else after that so like what the fuck they're calling my people they're not answering saying that I got a call like

an hour later my older sister told me the sky passed away wasn't even telling me much about the situation just told me like yeah I was like the fuck it didn't even make sense to me

damn it was weird I'm not gonna lie What did you end up finding out about how the situation played out? My bro died in his sleep. In sleep? I didn't even like really want to know all the details, to be honest. I just left it at that.

I mean, typically, usually when we find out somebody died in their sleep, it's drug-related? No. No. It's not drug-related. It was violence-related or? you just I mean I just can't really

think of a reason besides like fuck oh he said it is he had other health conditions yeah more like health problems oh yeah damn okay

and you were only 15 how many years older were you or was he my brother died on he was like 30 out of 16 at the time like 14 years older than

damn how how looking back on it how did you process that or how did you like what did it do to you psychologically

I didn't even process it bro I was fucking going crazy once hmm I'm a stupid shit I'm not gonna lie and that's really when I started like even turning more towards the streets too

like I said I was a good kid for the most part I lost a couple people but like it wasn't like nothing really affected me like all my bro affecting me yeah I mean like that completely change how I think, how I feel and shit, like, oh, everything changed.

I mean, you were so young, did it basically just make you feel like life wasn't certain or that there was, that the world was just like unspeakably cruel and that horrible things could just happen with no warning? Yeah, it kind of made me realize like nothing's here forever, too, so I don't really take on it for granted, you know? For sure. Did it drive you more into the streets or did it push you into the music stuff? I said like, okay, see, that's the thing.

I was kind of doing music when my bro is still alive. And you heard some shit. My bro's super wanting me to rap. But at the time, I was on the whole stress. So you kept saying like, yo, you get off. We're going to fucking do your first video and shit or whatever. You know, passing away before that. But fun, you know, as it worked all, like, I ended up doing my first video after I got off all

stress and shit. yeah I know you got on a house arrest when you were 17 or oh that story is so long bro oh yeah because the first ever time I was on house stress I think I was like 14 oh okay and I was 14

to fucking 15 I got off and I'm getting arrested again and I was on house stress that whole process or that whole fucking time frame from like 15 to 16 right up until my bro dad I was on

house rest again. See, now, after that time, I don't know if you know, but like, fucking in Canada, for the most part, like, if you're on house rest, they won't give you an ankle monitor. They're just come and check off at your house random times and shit like that. Oh, wow. So fucking, yeah,

I was super breaching. All side all the time. Basically was never home. So, like, you know? And I'm getting caught up for that shit. Oh, okay. What did you do to get on house arrest when you were 14, though? Fuck. Long series, short. like some petty robberies

Like some little kid shit Okay And you didn't end up having to do any serious jail time They just did this house arrest thing with you Okay so they had me in jail for like fucking Like a month or two And then They let me off on house arrest

So I ended up doing like the rest of my time on a house arrest When it came to sentence in they just said yeah like time served And you kept making it worse by Leaving your house obviously Just doing whatever you felt like doing. Bro, I fucking, the last time I got arrested, these guys ended up kicking my door. I didn't know while I was still on house rest.

I was under investigation for six months. Oh, really? Yeah. What were they investigating you for? Like I said, like, right after my brother, that I was doing dumb shit. So, like, fucking robberies. There was fucking little shit I was doing on camera

that came back to bite me in my ass. Like, it was just like, dumb shit. Oh, shit. Okay. Um, so, okay, that was, was there any other, like, big charges, like, when you were in that kind of high school age? And are you still going to high school during this time period? Yeah, I know. I got kicked out a lot of schools I went to. So, like, at the time, like, the last six months, like I said, they were investigating me. I wasn't in school at all. And I was supposed to do it. I was part of the house arrest, too. Like, it was either fucking get a job or go to school. So they gave me a breach in, like, so many different ways. and you just were too wild too out of control you just couldn't fall in line something like that

would your mom think I mean losing her son and then also seeing you just kind of acting out in response no mom didn't take that good I'm not kind of let yeah it's got to be insane me and mom were fucking like we weren't even talking at one point it was bad I'm not gonna lie but I could understand why, you know?

It's just unnecessary stress. No, yeah, totally. So you started making music around that time period, like when you were still in high school, though? Yeah, how stressed is what started the music thing early. Oh, okay. Did you have any influences at that time, though, that showed you that you could do it musically

or gave you any kind of model for that? No. I didn't my bro, like, like I said, my bro heard, like, like little shit like maybe I won two bars but like I didn't even have a full song with my bro so left he wanted me to rap though like he was super on it like we gotta bring this kid to the studio so after he died is when I kind of

took it more serious I wasn't even going into the studio I was fucking sitting recording songs off a band lab on my phone which now is like extremely common people tell me all the time that like songs that I legitimately listen to are recorded like that yeah it's crazy I'm not gonna lie You can sound like you're in the studio off your phone.

Yeah. It used to sound like shit a couple years ago, and now all of a sudden it's just got it's so much better. Because there's so much, like, different, like, presets or fucking different, like, settings you could do on this shit. I think, it's crazy, man. You could do everything at your phone.

So do you end up feeling like you really had to pursue this music thing? Because, like, I guess you had thought about it before, but then you lose your brother, and that kind of pushes you to, like, oh, this is something I got to really take serious? I say yeah I don't know because I didn't even want to rap for real

I rap Just because like For one like Yeah my bro super wanted me to rap I used to like I'll say for like the first Year or two I was actually taking it serious

But like you know Fucking This got caught up in some other shit Like I wasn't even thinking about rapping for real I was more like Leaning towards the streets at that time I wasn't even thinking

thinking like I'll be a rapper and all even like fucking like this like I would have never thought this is all what I came from rapping right I lied to you like I wasn't gonna take this serious at all but the people around me kind of like pushing it like yo like you actually have a

talent and go do some you know yeah did people really emphasize your voice early on because your voice is really like a standout voice like I was listening to in the music and thinking that it was probably a lot of auto tune and then from talking to you I'm realizing like oh it's kind of like It just has like a really, really good voice for doing sort of melodic stuff.

People tell me that all the time. Yeah. All the time. Even still know, like I'll see it in my comments and shit. Fucking, like, kind of job music on the YouTube or so I'll read all my comments. They'll see the shit like that. Definitely. So wait, how old are you now?

20. 20. Okay. So this is not even like ancient history when we're talking about all this crazy high school shit. Okay. So you end up, so you end up dropping out of high school at a certain point? Yeah. Okay.

Because of some dumb shit. Oh, really? Literally. Because I kept, like I showed you, I kept going in and all this school. So my last fucking high school years was in, like, an alternative school. So I used to fucking go to school. I think I was, like, 18 at the time. I would fucking go to school.

Like, you see, like, how I come in all, like, with my hoodie on type shit. At the time, they wouldn't let you wear a mask. It was like a COVID mask I had. So my fucking, my teacher. I'm sitting in a classroom with my hoodie on and she's bothering me about the hoodie. I'm looking around there's like,

10 other students in a classroom with their huddies on boys and girls. So I'm kind of like, yeah, like, what are you on me for, you know? Some weird shit. You get into argument now.

Well, the teacher leaves and comes back and my fucking principal calls me on out. She's like, oh, you have to fucking go home for the day. The teacher feels unsafe or some shit. A week later,

the police showed up to my house, said, yeah, you be in charge with this and that basically some shitball fucking some shitball fucking threads and fucking gang signs and whatever the fuck it goes I was like what the fuck like

And was that exaggerated? It wasn't true? Super exaggerated. My nigga had nothing to do with that. Wow. That's what I was like I'm honestly fuck school. Every time I'm in school I get in trouble with some next shit I don't even want to be over there.

Right. I could have graduated if I wanted to throw over it. It was just too much. time. Definitely. Would you, so at what point do you feel like

you really started to have some motion with the music? Like you're just dropping the shit on SoundCloud? At what point did? I wasn't even dropping on my so,

okay, so like you see like, like how I said, I used to fucking make music on my phone, right? These guys would, like, I would say,

yeah, I was leeching my own music, basically, like I'll send it out to friends and they would just send it everywhere. Like, I didn't really care

what happened to it. But then, I guess certain nigg got a hold of it and started putting it on SoundCloud So now I'm seeing my music do fucking 200k 300K

On other people's accounts Yeah and I'm like what the fuck I didn't even know that it was that serious So fucking Brody in the room right there He had me on Snap But I didn't even know this guy before that He's like yo

You should drop this I posted like a snippet There's an next rapper From my city fucking YG 3 5 He's like Yo Get your shit on this show

kid, I'll show you how to work it all sorts. This guy ended up doing that for me. We fucking dropped that one song. After I dropped that, um, studio legends, the platform Toronto, they do like open mics and shit. Mm-hmm. They hit me. They're like, yo,

we want to do your first music video. And then we just went from there. Shot the video. They did numbers. So I shot another one that did numbers too. Mm-hmm. And I just kept going from there, you know? Damn. So this was all starting when like last year or at what point?

Yeah, a little year ago, like last summer. I don't even think it hasn't even been, I don't think it's been a full year yet. Just about to be it for you? Yeah, it hasn't been a full year yet. So what do you do with that energy and that excitement? Are you like, okay, I'm just going to go super hard

and start recording all the time, start dropping music, etc? I try to. I try to keep up with the, um, what's the word I'm looking for right long? Huh? not consistency. You want to keep up with the fans, right?

Like the enthusiasm that they have? You want to come through with music to keep them satisfied? Yeah. There was a word I was looking for, but I can't remember it. That type of shit, though. Definitely. So how does that start changing your life? Did you make a decision at that point that you needed to kind of take a step back

on any criminal activity that you were doing? Everybody around me did. Like, I wasn't. When I, like, when, I'll say, like, just the first time that we, went to New York couple months ago and fucking you know 10k reached out to me and shit

oh really? The man number more like yeah like we're not even letting you do anything like I'm fucking real life arguing my home use about shit now like you can't do this no more we don't want you over here at this time or in these places you know right

everybody kind of got serious around the same time so I used to say that's good I mean Toronto seems like it's had a bunch of rappers who were kind of on the verge of becoming big and then their street activities ended up getting in the way of that. And that's exactly what you don't want over here. Why there's so many people on my side that's like, you know, like, can I just have to chill?

Right. You know? And I feel like it's more on the people, too, because, like, if you really want to do some shit, you're going to go do it, you know? Like, you have to kind of, like, train yourself to now want to go do certain things no more. Like, kind of tell yourself it's not worth it. Right. You have to be able to turn down sort of short-term money to be able to appreciate the long-term value of your career.

Yeah, not even money. I'm telling you these guys, these guys are here crashing for free. Right. And that too. You got a problem with somebody. You kind of got to be willing to handle it in a different way. I still have problems with shit like that. Like, I try to, like, I try to tell myself for the most part, like, yeah, that shit's not worth it.

And I do good at it. It's like sometimes, like, I even see myself slipping. tired but it can be done well I mean in addition to that you've got your pre-existing issues with whoever from before you get into the rap and shit and then once you get into the rap and shit then that makes you a bigger target for people who want to talk about you

and kind of use you as a way to get attention right sure it's bad that's been a big issue for you that it's just like oh shit people are just kind of dragging me into we're coming out of fucking nowhere Sav this, sab that Like I kind of expected it, you know

Right It's not really like Out of ordinary I got used to certain shit So I didn't care for that Right yeah I mean And you're kind of on the very

Beginning of it Like there are people making YouTube Little documentaries and stuff Talking about people You got issues with But it hasn't fully cracked off This one video I've seen Fucking

There's some rap beef between me And I don't even want to say his name Right But fucking, I know that's probably the video. See, that is so false. Really? Like, the only, the only fucking thing I could see is probably I started rapping on horses or something from this area.

Okay. But did, like, the song shit, that wasn't even what it was. Because, yeah, I mean, like, there's basically, like, a shooting that took place with somebody and that video is kind of trying to say that the problems between you and another rapper are based on the shooting. But when I was watching it, I was kind of thinking that is like, there's nothing in this video. that really tells me that the shooting was actually related to, I kind of have to take your word for it. And I feel like a lot of YouTubers kind of

get by on that. Of like, oh, well, nobody's gonna fucking, nobody knows if this is real or not. Like, I could just kind of say. I have nothing to do with that. See, he told you that one. Really? Okay. So that, that one with, I'm not gonna say his name now, I guess, but that was like, that's

more of a purely musical thing. Or is that a preexisting tension? I guess you can say there's preexisting tension, but like, I don't know. call it a music thing because they're not like making this shacks back and forth like even some of these songs are made at different times like the person that they're talking about passed away like

a lot of the songs that they're playing saying that we're going back and forth are made after he died so it made no sense you know what I mean really you just say anything trying to kind of like make their own story up with shit like I see it a lot too like on read it go in there read stories and it's like what the fuck did this happen I never been on like

Canada's centric Reddit, but for sure, I look at Shireakology and Cali banging a little bit, and it's definitely kind of crazy seeing the stuff that they try to put together. But then also it's kind of crazy, the stuff that they seem like they know about before it really becomes public knowledge. Man, that's just weird to me. You're doing the police work. Not into that. For sure. So is that the vibe in Canada that like every different hood or every different area that?

kind of got like their rappers that they're pushing and that they're trying to get behind. Yeah. Like me and these guys were just talking about this the other day. This guy asked me, he's like, yo, do you think he can rap and not be from a hood if you're in Toronto? I don't think it's possible still. First thing, man's asses. Where's this guy from? Right.

What's he do? Da-da-da. He's look at dumb little shit like that. Almost everybody rapping from Toronto is from a neighborhood. God. I don't let her like, you know? What if you were making music that was like not street oriented at all? If you're fucking Bruno Mars, maybe you could pull that off, right?

That's so hard. Especially where I'm from, because everybody in my city, they work against each other. Nobody like, we don't really work together. And on the side. Really? Even though Toronto's kind of like the underdog in terms of rap where it's like, you know, previous to Drake, nobody was even really thinking of Canada as having cities that could really hold their own in rap and competition with other cities and stuff but then i feel like

toronto's kind of earned that but then at the same time now there's just so much like infighting and people who are just against each other yeah it's been like that favorite bro my city's fueled off the heat honestly god like i feel like it's so weird myself why i don't even you won't even really see me collab with other rappers from my city for that reason like people are so quick to just like do the weirdest shit Oh Like none of that shit That internet shit fucking

It's weird Definitely Would you prefer to just be able to do music with whoever Or I mean you're saying that you don't really do music With that many artists in general There's a few I've heard Like a couple of songs I was listening to

Are you doing collabs with people But it's not super recent shit either Right? Yeah I try not to to be honest I just It's not my thing Working niggas for one I feel like

I don't even put this in the words but niggas are just weird weird weird it's not genuine you know I try to keep shit authentic I mean that like

as you get more and more famous and I guess you're kind of in like the beginning stage of this but yeah it does happen like that where you know for me it's been like 10 years but when I first started

to really have like a name and like people could really benefit from me being cool with them it was like that was like that was tough for me to go through of realizing like oh i spent my whole life having relatively genuine connections with people and now every time i talk to somebody it feels like they're sucking up to me because they know that i can help them in their career yeah and that's basically like the bigger you get the worse it gets as soon as you can't get them what they want bro it's all

fuck you hey you yeah this and that and you just so i was a night out before right you know what i mean what's the type of weird shit i see going on like even rain all like the fucking fudes in my city It's all fucking like bullshit to me. He's the nigs that I used to be friends showing each other every day. And I say, oh, fuck you're dead homies. And that was dumb and shit. Damn, yeah. But I mean, do you feel like you're capable of kind of using that sort of shit for your own benefit?

Because a lot of the most successful rappers, I think when I think of somebody like King Vaughn, this is a dude who like realized that his story was powerful and that he could use it and talk about it and hook people into paying more. attention to him by talking about all this trauma that he had been through and that he had inflicted on other people and that might kind of be counterintuitive as somebody who probably up to this point in your life you've been like I'm if anything I'm trying to not advertise my criminality yeah like fuck I can see like more like at the beginning at my career I didn't really care about shit like that but I'm like fuck like it's different all time you're after about the same shit forever

even like even if you are like I don't want to be rationality about negative shit further because it's still like learnings that listen to me that I'm influencing to go do this and not live a certain way and I'm not even doing that right now

right. I mean I live I'm on fucking no jumper. Yeah. And you're in the process of like elevating and changing your life and it feels kind of weird to then take that voice that's getting bigger and bigger

and sort of spend it talking about people realistically who are just regular ass people for the most part you know no I feel it's high I see yeah definitely um but so I mean yeah because like I feel like a lot of drill rappers the ceiling on what they're doing is like very very low like it's just like you might be able to get a million views on video or whatever but realistically the idea of you becoming like a big star it's just not really happening but I feel it with you it's got to be a little different because I feel like people can probably see the potential that you could be a bigger artist and kind of really transcend the the scene that you

came up in i do a lot of different shit too like joel shit isn't like the only kind of music i make like i do the melodic shit and even with the melodic shit i'll switch it up to where i can make fucking some sad shit where i talk about pain the whole time i make some happy shit talk about money and bitches or i'll switch it up and get dark even on the melodic shit about some gangster shit but like it's never just same shit or one category when it comes to my music is why I feel like I can go different places too. I mean, even somebody like Dirk kind of like transitioned into doing more melodic auto tune type of shit as he got deeper in his career.

But the fact that you kind of naturally gravitated towards that in the very beginning kind of says a lot. Was that like was that like a conscious choice at a certain point? Because like most of the older stuff, it's like I'm going to hear you straight rapping as much. Like, you usually seem like you have a bit of melody and what you're doing. Yeah. Because even when I started switching it from band lab to the studio is when I kind

of transition into a melodic shit too. So, like, my shit that I'm dropping, obviously, it's recorded from the studio and not the band lab shit. So that's kind of where the switch up came in. Just being able to do higher quality shit. Yeah. Definitely. Um, so, yeah, like, what, what music?

were you listening to that kind of influenced your style as you were becoming a rapper or even up till this day? I guess I guess most of music I listen to is like fucking shit my bro played so fucking my bro, he's older

like I said so he'll be fucking listening that shit like 50 or fucking niggas like styles pee Nipsey Hustle my bro used to listen to him fucking this is like a lot of older niggas, you know, but for like, for me, it was more like, niggas, like, fucking Chief Keith, little derg,

a newer artist, or like, more like, like, off-to-date fucking little key, you'll sign to a fucking little baby, I think. He's super hard. Low-keyed was signed to thug. Nah, not a little key, low-key, oh, okay, I don't even know. It's like, it's like low-keyed, but without all the deed.

Oh, okay. Yeah, he's hard. Okay, I got to feel like his story was kind of, like, similar to my show, and he does his melodic music, he just wraps the ball like his bro on some pain shit you know so that's what kind of made me start wanting to do that the melodic shit when I first started doing I was just rapping

more my bro and then I kind of found like different ways to go about that damn so when you felt that pain of losing your brother that's kind of when you gravitated more towards that style yeah that was all I was listening to for like fucking a year or two shit just low-key fucking maybe future I don't really listen to future like that

but those times I was. Because he just Drake? No. He went against Drake, so you had to stop listening to him? No. That's like, yo, that's one thing too. Like, fuck, I love my city.

Shout at Jake, but like, I'm not picking up other people's politics. Because Jake's not coming to Toronto fucking this in my office. And like, you know what I mean? Right.

I mean, that situation in particular, like, Drake kind of responded to like basically everybody besides future. It felt like he still had enough respect for future that he didn't really want to jump into that. with him for whatever reason. Yeah, the future's under the goals for sure.

He's up there. Yeah, he's been so huge for so long. Really, like, there's not that many people that you can kind of put in the same or similar category to Drake, and Future's like one of those people who's kind of created so many hits over the years that you kind of got to,

you got to give him his flowers. But, yeah, I mean, okay, for you as a rap fan, was that kind of bizarre to see Toronto and Drake be like, become such a gigantic narrative with the whole Kendrick thing over the last year that show is weird to me like

I didn't really pay attention to it like I probably still never heard both of their full disc chocks like I didn't even care for that to be honest really that's like a lot of the rapes I don't really care for them it's kind of like it has not to do with me yeah sometimes I feel kind of guilty that I like

listen to all those disses once and then never really went back to him yeah that's really what it is for it's for the hype nigs don't really care both that shit. At the end of the day, fucking, like, you know what I mean? Right. They're still going to live in their lives. Are you made that song or not? Yeah, like, sometimes I'll be in a conversation with somebody and I feel super lost as

soon as they start to get super into like, well, in Mithograms, he said this, this and this. And I'm like, ah, shit. Yeah, I never cared for that. I did not pay enough attention to exactly what was being said. Um, but does it feel like, uh, did it feel like everybody in, in Toronto was kind of rallying behind Drake? And was there like a feeling of being other. upset when it started to feel like Kendrick was taking the W.

Like I was seeing like even niggas in my city make the shocks on Kendrick. Oh, really? Wow. That's funny. No, because I mean, in L.A., a lot of people, realistically, mostly people who don't really have that much going for them, pretty much just became Drake haters overnight. And it's like, damn, we didn't know you felt this way. Oh, good. It's still as everyone he drinks so much.

Right. But a lot of those people who were like vocally anti-Drake are now kind of trying to like act like that never really happened. Because like a lot of those people really thought like Drake's career is done. We're never going to have to talk about this guy again besides negative shit. And then he comes out and has the number one song. And a lot of those people are kind of trying to backpedal a little bit. And Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake,

solidified his spot in the game. Right. Like I've never been more certain that we're going to be dealing with Drake until he's like 70 then after that shit that made me like he can survive whatever fucking how Park and Biggie

how their legacy to this day people still talk about them Jake's gonna be one of those people right there's no there's no way around it he did too much yeah it does too much no I agree him

him going through that battle and persevering and still being able to have gigantic music like one of the biggest albums of the year right afterwards I mean nothing else could prove to me more that his spot

is solidified. 100%. Yeah. Work for it. I always wondered when, I always figured it would happen slowly that like an artist would come out who was just better than Drake

and made more hits and had more fans and that that would be the thing that kind of like deep thrown Drake. And like, every artist coming up tries. Yeah. Everybody. Everybody tries.

When you think about coming up, like, even like, or my shit, people around me like, you know you're locked in when you get that Drake follower or you know, did Jake any? People actually ask me

oh, the Jake, like any of your post yet or the Jake follow you or the Jake. People think you fucking made it when you get that Jake follow. Well, you did get the Drake follow just the other day, right? I posted it and fucking everybody in the world was congratulating me out. Like, whoa.

No, that is dope. I know I knew this much people. I mean, most giant rappers like him, nobody expects them to be tapped in with the streets at all. But with Drake, It almost is kind of surprising if he doesn't tap in with somebody who doesn't follow him or doesn't show some interest just because he has such a history of supporting so many of becoming artists early on. To me it was crazy.

I didn't want to listen to my shit. I didn't think I was that big yet. For sure, I feel like he's probably in the same spot I am where as soon as he heard it, he was like, oh, okay, that could definitely be a thing right there. Yeah. Because it's just kind of hard to ignore. Like when you've heard so many weeks. ass artists. It is kind of really stands out to you when you find an artist that really seems like

they've got the potential to be huge. And definitely I got that impression from listening to your shit. I appreciate that. Do you, would you say you're actually like influenced by Drake sonically? Like, do you listen to his music and feel like, oh, that, I can learn from that, or I can kind of do something in my music that's similar to what he's doing on this song? or do you feel like you're in a totally different lane? No, I'm not going to lie, like, certain things Drake can do that I still can't do,

like make a whole song strictly above fucking a female or some shit. I can't do that. Like, I'll go off topic and start rapping about the car I was in or fucking, what kind of weed I'm smoking or something shit. Right. You know, like, I get off topic all the time, like, staying like consistent to one topic in a song or something I still can do it. I try to all the time.

So you don't write in advance. You're just going in the booth and just revving. Bro, writing fucking, like, it like blocks my brain, fam. Now it feels like homework. Like, when I just go to the studio and do the freestyle and shit, I'll get a song done in like 20 minutes. Right. I really find that song going to be done for like three days.

Really? I hate the rating process. But it's like, that's kind of a recipe for not staying on topic as well, right? Because you sort of like, when you're just in there, like, trying to think of the next thing that, rhymes. Like, for me, like, it's fun. My rating shit is on and off, because sometimes

Bro, to see, he'll witness it, I'll fucking rate, like, some crazy bars because I am writing. But then at the same time, like, it'll come out at some bullshit because I'm writing. So, really just, like, I have my on and off days or that. Right. How much time you actually spend in the studio? Are you,

like, crazy focused on making as much music as possible? I spent most of my time in the studio. I don't say most of my time, that's overdoing it, but, like, most of my free time. in the studio because if I'm not doing this or this then like yeah let's go to the studio tonight like even down here I've been to the studio almost every day I think there's only two days I've been here I haven't been to the studio are you like cranking out music or do you work for a long time on one song like I said if I'm writing it'll take like a couple hours to get it done with

freestyle I'll get a song done in like 30 minutes mm definitely so okay we were just I I just remember like a connective question, but the Drake and Kendrick thing was kind of crazy for Toronto. But the weekend in Drake beef has got to be a weird thing, too, to have like the two biggest names from your city. And it's kind of like a silent beef, but it's also pretty obvious that there's tension there. I didn't even know where you're beefing.

Really? Yeah. Like, that's what I mean. Like, I literally don't pay attention to none of that shit. Hmm. I mean, a lot of people think that when the security guard got shot outside Drake's house, that that was connected to that, although I wouldn't say that we know that.

I didn't know that either. You really in your own world? You don't go on social media that much? No. Like even my Instagram, my manager here or fucking, my manager back in Toronto or run it more than I do.

Like, I don't even like social media for a real. Mm. All that posting TikToks, going live, just even fucking like, bro, this whole rap lifestyle, I had to kind of spend like the last year getting used to it.

It was so like ordinary for me Like it was weird Even like having like To post and keep up with my social media And all I kind of just got used to it Really

I don't like it I mean what is it about You just not used to like having to advertise Yourself all the time Yeah Like before from before I fucking started rapping I didn't even have an Instagram My shit was deactivated

I had to re fucking I had to um Reactivated to even start posting my music on it Right. You just wanted to make music. And then at a certain point, you realize, like, oh, if this music's going to be successful, it's going to involve me. Yeah, like, I thought that could, like, fucking be behind the shadows forever.

Right. We're a mask. All sorts of the music is like, yeah, it's not going to go like that. I mean, the weekend tried that. You did? I didn't even know that. Oh, really? Yeah, he had a whole mask early on his career.

And he was, like, super mysterious. Like, the version of him now where you just get to see him and he's almost like a regular person, that, like, I guess it has. been like 10 years almost but dad at a certain point was like whoa like he's he's really out here now like that was like really surprising at one point because he was just

Mr. Mysterious for sure um but okay um why do you uh name your your album the problem child DP problem child do you feel like the problem child yeah because like you see that like

that name's always kind of been around like even my mom will tell you as a joke like that's my problem child my bro and my fucking like my older cousins used to call you that growing up that shit I was just bad like I said like I was a most kid like I was a good kid for the most part but I was bad like I was bad and didn't know I was bad like I was just fucking like it's too too smart for my own good type shit right this fucking little kid like do you feel like if you hadn't found some success with the music that you would have ended up going down a bad path oh for sure for sure

for sure. I'd probably be in jail right now. Really? You don't even think you would have made it to 20? Probably not. I had the fucking Raid all is moving, bro. It's probably the fucking...

If I'd be alive, keep doing what I was doing. Like, that's bad. But was there a time period where you didn't even really have hope of having a long, healthy life? Yeah.

Like, this was around the time my bro died. And I just said, like kind of living the way I was living I got okay like I was barely ever home all side 24-7 not doing anything that's really benefit me for all like yeah like certain shit

like it'll benefit me in ways but like it's not really do nothing for you for real right no to that shit do you uh you have a relationship with presser uh

not really I'll say like You know him a little bit Yeah Okay Is he from your area Or Nah he's from like

Driffwood That's like more like The west and I'm from the east side Skirro like Like Marvin is like Red Befer And so you know

Top 5 Yeah Just trying to figure out Like how all these pieces Connect How well you know him Same shit also Okay

I don't like They're around but you won't really see me around niggas in general do you just not like to go outside of your immediate circle of the people that's what it is grew up around everything

you see like more rappers from my city that you'll see me around like 100 OTD KS bands YSDZ off radar those are my people like these are the rappers from all over and too I was like yeah

that's more who I'm around like if we're gonna talk about rappers from my city yeah like I've been talking to talk five about going to Toronto and just filming with him and just living life with him for a couple of days for a while and I have one friend that's supposed to go with me and he was kind of acting like a bitch and talking about like oh it's so crazy out there

and I'm kind of feeling like I'm telling I'm like bro it's like it's like it's not that bad like we do this all the time with people's area is like it's all good but then like a bunch of his friends got shot the other day and it's kind of hard to tell like you know if they thought that he was there or what so it did kind of stand out to me as like oh shit maybe this actually is a situation that's like a little too wild to go interject ourselves and too

yeah probably right now for like a little bit right well that's also the best time I mean you know if you're like a war correspondent you don't show up when the war is done yeah you gotta get in there while the bombs are still dropping it's hot right now I don't even man

yeah so it feels like the city's in a state of turmoil right now or what yeah for sure the city's crazier and all like it's just getting crazier because like it's like a whole generation and niggas like that's really like yeah

we're on some shit to these young niggas like you're a real thing from really these YMs they're not worried they're bad in Toronto really there's like fucking 50 in every neighborhood real what do you think's different now as opposed to when you were a kid

like they just have worse influences there's more of them and they have worse shit like I didn't have a switch when I was 13. Right. What do you can't say to same? You know what I mean?

Like, these kids are different, man. So that kind of shit's that common because I feel like as Americans, we look at Canada as like, oh yeah, they barely have guns up there.

It's super hard to get a gun up there. Don't think that. Don't believe that. Everybody and their mom has a gun. Really? It's bad, from. That's crazy.

Justin Dudeau is ineffective. Well, he's gone now, but he didn't get that problem under control. Yeah, no. I don't think they're going to. Yeah, that's tough I mean, and that really

But it's just like everywhere like I don't think are guns legal on it? I mean, they're legal, you need to have a permit You know, you can't just carry it around with you everywhere Unless you have a certain permit You're gonna have some guy that walks in it everywhere Even though he's not supposed to us Right everywhere

I mean California yeah Spoiler a huge percentage of young men Are carrying guns even if they're not supposed to But I mean there are other states like New York Where it's like unbelievably hard to Be able to legally carry want to but then you have down south where it's like the laws are way less restrictive if you want to have a gun in st louis or you know Memphis or some shit's way way easier um

okay so do you think that there's a future for Canada uh or for Toronto having more unity do you think that there's anything that could bring it together or does it feel kind of hopeless at this point at this year I don't I don't even know like it just gets worse and worse like I love my city but like we're so bad fam everybody hates each other and if you don't hate each other like you're trying to hide the fact that you guys hate each other so it's so easy for something to happen like

it's weird and all damn that's grimy um the the nino paid a collab he's he's blowing up right now and I saw you guys work together is that like the first American artist that you worked with yeah I fuck it that's my dog how'd you guys tap in bro fucking same way fucking

brodie top to him with you fucking I guess that kind of happened but the other way around like he I can't remember who reached out to who but somebody told me like yeah this guy's fucking with your music

same night I got a follow from him just kind of did my own shit from there was messaging him like uh and then came to the city the show out there I opened for him

later that night he was in a studio So like, yeah, pull up on me. We went over there. Fucking made... We made that song. And I think two other songs that end up shooting that one same night. Bro, the same day, we fucking were shooting until like 7, 8 in the morning. We're fucking up all night with that one.

Ended up fucking... Wilson, like a snippet on TikTok. That went crazy. Drop that, like, last week. Yeah, like, when I was listening to it, I was like, Like, oh, this definitely isn't like a regular ass paid feature type thing because I can feel the enthusiasm and he was really like saying your name and like just seemed like you really had some kind of connection going in there together. Yeah. We made that one together.

So it wasn't like one. Like usually with other artists that are farther, all fucking send a verse and I'll send on back like now. We actually link to all for that one. Right. Definitely. I fuck it. Um, like, is that important to you? You were really trying to like be like an international artist or is there part of you that would be?

cool with it if you're just like a local legend and you're just popular in your city bro. See, like there's not a wrong with my city but the thing is for me like bro, if I'm going to do this, I might as well go out of the way. Why would I set up for just my city when there's a whole fucking world all there?

No, 100%. That's why, like, with my type of music, I don't just make like one, one kind of music or like mostly because of that reason. Like, say like fucking, there's some fucking, some nerdy kid somewhere that doesn't want to listen to me talking about shooting people all day. Make some fucking some get high music for him or some get money music for a nigga that doesn't get involved in some shit like that.

You know what I mean? I try to just do it somewhere like there's music for everybody. Right. If you want to listen to this song, you'll listen to this one type of shit. Definitely. Do you challenge yourself when you're in the studio, though, just try to make. make music that doesn't necessarily go into the usual rap stuff.

I try not to make like, I, okay, so like when I'm in the studio, I do things like, I try not to use the same flow more than once. Hmm. Or the same bar too many times.

Like, I channel myself in a lot of ways like that because I know like, with a lot of rappers, people get tired of them easily when they're like too repetitive. Exactly. Or they're fucking, just rapping about the same thing all the time. So I try to fucking.

switch it off as much as I can. Definitely, because there's a lot of rappers that come out these days and they kind of have one flow and then they just only do that flow for the entirety of their career. And it feels like that is definitely a shortcut to people getting sick of you if you just keep doing the same shit. Yeah, that's good though. Even me as a civilian, sometimes I just like listen to beats

and just like try to think about all the different ways that you could potentially flow on that beat. And then, but I got such a crazy feeling though When you listen to somebody rap on a beach Who just does something with it That you never could have expected You never would have thought of in a million years And like you can just sort of sit back

And just be impressed Yeah, I feel like that's how producers feel of my shit Like even fucking My homie that records me, hit man And said I do that a lot Like he wasn't expecting it to sound like this on this week Right. Okay, so hit man He does all your beats

Not all my beats but he's like When I'm in the city The only person that records me I don't go to noise at the studio Okay, so he engineers and shit too? Yeah. Okay. Does he give you actual advice?

Like, you'll take his word for it on stuff? Like, like, little shit, like, you'll tell me, like, I'll certainly how to say this. Like, you'll go, like, okay, now, see this next bar higher. Or, like, you know, like, extend this one or some shit. Definitely. Yeah, you need that help. A lot of times the engineers kind of, like...

They just let you do what they want. Yeah, well, and a lot of the biggest rappers, though, they have, like, their engineer, and they're not really trying to fuck with anybody else, because they have a special connection with it. Definitely. Okay. How do you feel about Donald Trump deciding that Canada is going to be our 51st state?

Oh. Welcome to the team. Free the guys. Right. That is a good question. What happens to the people who are in prison if Canada becomes part of America? That could be extremely complicated. But for one, they better let all my homies across the board.

if that's the case. I don't really agree with the whole Trump thing, but like if you guys are going to do that, let the felons across the border. I mean, word on the streets is that the Canadians are more upset with America than they've ever been over that shit. And like, they're not just going to join up with America willingly.

Like, there's going to be a lot of anger surrounding that. I love it all here. Yeah. I fuck in America. Kind of being like the next deed, I don't know. It's pretty goddamn state of there. been our own shit.

It's kind of scared of a state that big. That's fucking huge. Yeah, it's insane. So, wait, like, if Canada becomes in the next state, that means, like, the laws are sure would change. Well, there's another good point. Yeah. Who would be in charge of that? What happens with that?

Yeah. There's just a lot of little laws, I'm sure, that are different, that that would be unbelievably complicated. You think they'll legalize guns in Canada? I mean, if Trump has his way, I'm sure he's going to say, hey, guess what? you're using all Argonauts now. So that might actually be good for you guys because it's a little bit looser up here, I guess.

But I mean, also I feel like the odds of that happening are unbelievably low. I think Trump just loves to float like the craziest idea as possible and just get an idea. Like that he even kind of talks about that in his old book, The Art of the Deal, that it's like you'll tell somebody, I want to do this and it's the biggest craziest thing ever. But then it also gives you leverage to be able to sort of, you know,

weasel your way into getting something out of that person. So I'm sure that when he says that he wants Canada to become the next state, that that really translates to, like, him just wanting better terms on trade with Canada and stuff like that, you know, as far as them becoming the next state, it's almost impossible for me to imagine. Why would you want to turn another country into a state if they don't want to be a state? This seems like a horrible idea. Like, the last thing that we should be worrying about, our country has so many fucking

problems. The world has so many problems. I don't know. It's a little fucker. It sounds insane. It makes causing problems. Definitely. So, um, okay, where, where are you at in terms of where you feel like your career is at right now? And what are you looking to do? You're trying to

like just get on tour? You're trying to just keep working on music? What stands out to you as stuff that you want to prioritize? Oh, I definitely want to get on tour. Like, I did fucking like an Ontario tour. my city or my country

already to start when out here would be crazy I like America I'm not gonna laugh yeah yeah like just being on here is lit to me

what is the main difference in terms of the whole vibe fuck I'll see the weather but I guess everybody expects that area I don't know if I'm I guess it's just

really for me like it's more seeing shit I've never seen before like whether I'm fucking in LA right now and we're fucking driving around seeing like

shit I fucking seen on GTA like I'm real life in the game in real life like that to me is fucking crazy GTA definitely turned L.A. into a legendary city for like a whole generation of kids yeah you hear that all the time that people are like wow this is exactly like GTA I never really play GTA like that but whenever I do

I'm like oh well we're right there yeah I know exactly where that is yeah I'm seeing so much like what the fuck this is this crazy to me my word we're fucking, where was it that we went in the beach and we're just walking, I swear of God, I couldn't stop smiling. It was like, fucking an hour I'm down there, I smiled the entire time.

Because like, what the fuck? Like, this shit's real, man. I've seen this before and I've never been here. That's fucking crazy to be. That's sick. Hell yeah. Okay, anybody you want to thank? Anything we should look out for in particular? Um,

really, I want to thank. Dogs at 10 key. Studio at Legends. So you signed the 10K projects? I might not talk about that. I don't think so. Okay. Okay.

Um, yeah, something like that. Fucking, um, yeah, people at 10K and my dogs back at fucking home studio legends. My people's teamies. That's the rapist from my neighborhood fucking one or OTB. KS bands,

Yis Dizi Off radar Fucking Fucking Fuckin Fuckin' I think of right now Shout out

Shut up my dog He's not from the east But fucking chase I've Someone that fucking Even got me into Fucking on And do the shrap shit

From my city That's fucking on a presser homes For sure When I go to Toronto What would you recommend That I do Or that I get into While we're out there

Try the weed, bro. The weed out here is bullshit to me so far. What? I feel like it's largely the same. I don't know. You don't think? Like the weed that I think it's because I'm going to the dispensary, but the weed that's smoking out here? Dispensary is an error.

Yeah. I hate it, bro. Yeah. I don't think that's not the move. Because it's like it takes so long to do the testing that they have to do on and everything that a lot of that weed that they have in the dispensaries is kind of old and crusty by the time people get to it. And it's super overpriced. Super overpricing. It's not even like.

in you high for a yeah like I thought like when I cause I'm fucking in LA man I thought the weed was gonna be crazy and I got on here yeah I don't know I'm kind of like all I know is wanna go to other parts of America the weed is noticeably not as good as it is out here but I don't know I'm really obtained any Canadian weed in a long time

you gotta go to Toronto I'm telling you like if it's anything like the dispensary weed down here then I feel like you'll fuck a Toronto weed more like all day it's just a smart point you love weed that your thing yeah okay i'm always smoking like these guys could tell you i'm almost just surprised because normally

dudes who like smoke a lot of weed love to roll up weed during the interview and smoke hell of weed during the interview i thought about that yeah i thought about that it would be tough with the mask i know yeah but uh so you don't drink

nah which is funny because my fucking most viral song right now i said i said some shit like watch how you walk up and i'm off the liquor these guys are super on me about that because I don't drink. Well, shit. That's what you just got to say, that's why I don't drink. So literally.

I'm going to turn into a full-blown demon. Tennessee, I feel like that. Definitely. You think you're going to put out another project this year? Oh, for sure. Okay. I got so much shit I'm going to put it all this. I'm being in a lot of Liga.

I just started, bro. I feel it's not even on a gas yet. I mean, you're one rapper that I'm interviewing that I can honestly say that I will definitely be. check in for all your future releases because the stuff that I heard so far I was super impressed by and you definitely have a couple of songs that got added to my playlist.

My next job? When you want to look all for a fucking mango? That to me is going to be crazy. That's the name of the song. Yeah. It's a great fruit. So I believe in my opinion, pretty much the goat fruit. Yeah. Especially dry mango.

Dry mango. Just stupid. Really? Crack cocaine. Like actually. like if I have it in my house I will like come home from work and eat like 800 calories of dried mango before I'm like okay I gotta stop but bro that shit is

I don't know something about it your word friend I'm gonna try it up definitely but they got the good shit and they got the bad shit um as in terms of like famous LA institutions I mean you gotta go Rosco's chicken and waffles you done that yet no the fucking the guy at the studio recommended that too yeah do the one in Hollywood or something though don't go to the

fucking trenches because that doesn't work out great for a lot of people but uh Shit, what else comes to mind? I mean, you guys go to, like, Fairfax, and there's, like, a bunch of food around there. Walking on Fairfax and Melrose and shit is definitely give you a good idea of what's going on out here. I would say go downtown, but there's a curfew,

and there's, like, riot police everywhere right now. I was downtown. I fucking actually look. I made a TikTok. Oh, yeah? There's a wild down there right now? Yeah, there it is. Whoa, these guys are crazy down there.

I have a friend from, who lives, He's from England and he just got back from a trip and his apartment's downtown and he's just like showing me. He's like, bro, I just got home. And this, like, I can't even do anything. I can't leave my house and the cops have all the streets blocked off. I'm like literally every street. Like, we're trying to get out of there. We're just trying to leave.

It's crazy though because this is nothing compared to 2020. There's all those protests and riots going on. That shit was crazy. This is a blip compared to that. We were fucking non-toning. We've seen them start fucking like looting stories and shit. They're freaking into stories. Get yourself in Jordan's.

Please, Kim. Yeah. I wish. You didn't think about joining it? That'd be a rough way to go down. Yeah, he had so much potential as a rapper, and then he got busted for stealing Jordans

in a middle of a protest. They were the wrong size, and you had to sell them on eBay. Okay, so everybody tap in with SAV-4X. You got some good-ass music. Shout out to Toronto. I will be inside of you soon. Pause.

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