No Jumper - S.dot on The Early Days of Chicago Drill, Being from 600, Tay Savage vs FYB J Mane

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

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No Jumper, coolest podcasts on the world. And today, Remo has arranged an interview where we're going to get further, deeper into our understanding of Chicago, drill, history, and more. You want to do the introduction? We got Esda in the building for a show. How is great? I'm good with out, Adam.

Feeling good. What I'm going to? What out with it? It's crazy because John Witt hit me. He was like, yo, I want you to do this interview. And it's crazy because I had a plan on reaching out to you before you even hit me, but it just... John Wick is crazy.

John Wick is crazy. So, yeah, Tate Savage, him you, like, yo, fuck the other dot. I already been tapped in, so where that connection even come from? That's my brother. That's my real brother. Like, a lot of my father don't know that. He watched me grow up since a little boy, you know. And my sister was in a relationship since I was a little shoddy.

Like, that was my real brother in the career with me. So, yeah. So you got to see a little bit more human side of him? Because a lot of times when people talk to him, It's just pure craziness. He was in the house with me. He on Big Brother time. It's all up.

I'll go outside with him or he on Demit time. Like, n-knit, you're a whole other. I don't see that side of him. You'd be love in the crib. I'd go out with him, but he popped out of them doors. So a whole other n-ha-play with him. But that's my brother. I ain't never had to see that side of him, you know.

That's all love. But you can feel the energy, though, when y'all go outside, people were scared of him. They were scared of him. It was on. Man. That's Savage, that's badass, for real. What?

That's my brother of the show. Were you there when it shot J-Man? Shot-Hadayman? Yeah. You were? Well, we're pussy-piece. We push in peace. There's a lot of folk allure about this motherfucker

Trey Savage. You got to love him. Yeah, let's start. Let's bring it down from the beginning. What so? So, like, what part of Chicago are you from? I'm originally from the east side of Chicago. Well, you could say to East Side.

Second night. like over east back kings ride cottage grove all that shit moved everywhere throughout the city I can say I'm from the wild hunters so I know my brother I'm from Aida Park that area

59 area all up and down kings right we moved there well been all through the city I'm from the south side too you just say I'm all I'm from Chicago I used the thing you was from

100 because I used to see you out there with everybody I'm from 600 that's my block Yeah. Yeah. You said, well, I'm a Rizley phone. I was jumped off the boys. I started coming on 6'10. I was like 10.11.

I was already outside before that door. Like, I found myself on 6'000. Like, we was really gaming by the time. Like, 11, 12. We was on 6 with it. So when Tate was coming over your crib, it was on, like, the low end? Nah, we was there.

Well, that n'nick was a sister since I was a shuddy. He'd been at all our crib. He was at the crib in the 100s. He was at the crib on the low end. That was his hood. We stayed in, like, 4. third, the King's Rap. We kind of stay in Wells' World.

So he was definitely sliding through that. They didn't want nothing. So, yeah, we just standing out through the city, though. So that's one thing about my mom, she liked to move around. She gets good jobs and she moved. So that's how I got to meet a lot of more people moving through the city. What area in Chicago is, like, your favorite area that you stayed in or that you claim the most?

The block, shit. Kings Drive 59. Yeah. Because you were one of the first, like, early rappers coming from Chicago away, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so. They don't like to mention them about you know. If you know what you know.

If you, yeah, if you've been watching this shit since the beginning, like you was one of the first people I've seen, like do a song, like from 600 do a song with Cheeky. Am I on my trip? Put them in the first video. That Hustle Heart, that's Cheeky first video. E.A. as well. That's my song, but shit.

We was all like Trying to do the same shit at the same time So we all from the same hood I put us on the same track We just did it like that I ain't think it was gonna do what it did But that shit like a hood classic And that's like the starter

That's when everybody started You know Doing this shit taking that shit Because we see this shit You really do something, you know When did you start rapping? I was rapping I ain't gonna lie, I was rapping

I was like 8 years old Trying to rap You know, my big brother, he had, too. He was already rapping, but this, always ended out of jail. And, shit. He stayed out of town.

We always lived in Chicago. He came up to Chicago all the summers and shit. He came for this one summer. He playing his music and shit. It's new to me. I'm like, how to fucking record yourself doing that? He showed me how to record myself, put the program on my computer.

He left, went home, went back to jail. I learned how to record myself. And I talked to my brother, like, It once in a while. By the next time I talked to my brother, I hadn't knew how to record myself. And I showed him, like, look, bro, I've been doing this. You show him how to do.

He was proud of me. It may feel good, so I'm like, I'm gonna keep doing it. I could do this. And with him steady going to jail, it's like he couldn't do it all the way. Like, he wanted to do it. So I kind of, like, kept it going. Like, I'm gonna keep the shit going.

So, you know, kind of like I lived out my big brother dream, because he loved music. But I fell in love with that. And I seen I could do it. that's how I went. So you was recording yourself. You wasn't going to the DJ Ken Studios like everybody else.

Nah, I didn't been in Ken shit. That's out DJ Ken too. Yeah, I didn't been in Ken fucking with Keith, you know, social. That's what he'd do all his music back in the day. But I always had my own setup in the crib put my closet, got my own microphone.

Everybody come to my career and record. Social accommodations, he there, come in a couple of shit. Sasa go hard, a couple of days of shit. Fuck, 20B in my house. I was done. studio. So it was me in a couple more, more. But it was me for sure. Do you have like, well, okay, what year was it when you started rapping or like what age? Like rapping,

rapping, rap for real? Yeah. 12, 13. Shot my first, like, video with D. Gaines. Mm, shout of D. Gaines. I got a classic interview with him. Shot my video with D. Gaines. That made me look like a real rapper. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm for real with this shit. That, um, 45. It was a couple of five. It was a classic. I was called 45 some little quick just at D. Gaines Crill because I was Fawke 20 and I'm his brothers. Yeah. So I'm getting to

know him and shit over there with him. He's like, you want to shoot something real quick? He was just still learning how to play with his camera. He had just got a new camera or something. I'm here, yeah, I want to shoot something. He shoot me a quick little video. It was raw as fuck, though, for that time. And when we put it out, that shit was crazy.

So I started going crazy. So where is you when y'all did the hustle or something? Like, I was like 14. Oh, so that's wrong. I was like a year and two years in trying to really, I had already shot like a little video or two, you know. But around that time I had tried to shoot my old videos. I did to hustle hard.

I had somebody hold the camera, but I edited it myself because D. Ains went around like that. He was charging that time. You had to pay, like, I had fake, from being around him, I learned how to do my own shit, I'm like, I'm gonna try to my own shit. And I started shooting my own. And I'm joining started going crazy.

I started making my own videos, made my own channel, and just started putting that shit up. Now it's, like, kind of easy to get videos done. But at that time, if you knew how to produce your own shit, probably, like, a superpower. Everybody's shooting now. But back in 2011, 2012,

everybody on that type of time. So if you was on that type of time, and young like that, you was kind of like a head, you know, had the old time. So what made you want to make music in the first place? Was it just, were you trying to, like, see real financial success in shit? Or were you trying to just say some shit?

I was trying to impress my big bro. I was trying to show him, like, I could do this. But then I started, like, it started giving me a little name and shit. I was taking it to school and my friends for that shit. Passing that shit from CDs. I'll burn my CD and go to school and pass that out. And they'll come to school the next day. Like, that's shit.

I listen to that shit. I keep going. I'm like, I'm going. That's, like, motivation. It was telling me I'm hard, so keep on. And this before, like, any of the diss songs that said, you're just rapping at this point and ain't really no beat.

I'm just rapping. We're rapping about, like, getting fresh and shit. There's not nobody down either. It's like, we weren't really playing with guns, for real, in the beginning and beginning. So, when nobody down, we're rapping, like, you know, real songs. They started dropping.

It was real. drill. Like, it was strictly drill music. That's how that went. It converted to that a little later, you know? It wasn't strictly drilled. From the crew, like, people before the drill scene, like bump jay and we ain't

all, we're not a drill shit, like, it wasn't always that sound. Chicago had a certain sound. So we kind of had that sound. We was converting over the entire own sound, like at the same time, then the drill came. Still was getting that flow. We still was getting that flow. We still

was getting that flow from. Brown about swagging. Yeah, it was like King Louise and shit. They weren't always drill, you know. Bro started drill a little later, too. Like King Louis, he wasn't always doing drill music, you know, Fly Entertainment and shit. They got, like, little labels and shit

that the city knew about. Like, you know, you got to be from Chicago to know these things. They weren't always doing drill. That wasn't always the sound. That's the end of 2011, 2012. So who y'all did credit for, like the starter drew.

If you said 2011. I say I'd say E. But I gotta get a, got a Toccho had to Pac-Man because he created the drill. You feel me? Like, that's real shit. But that sound,

I get it to my boy, Coup. Like, that real, you know? Yeah, yeah. I get into my boy, Coo. Adi-Age, though. Coup for sure, though, R.P. But, bro, like, for our age,

you know, Cooper a little older than, bro. Yeah. But, like, keeping this shit, But me and go was like this on the same time. I recorded our album music, so we was kind of like bouncing off each other. That sound was adapting, like, go watch bro interview. He's gonna say me and Azda made that sound. But I tell him why I had the bro, because I'm bouncing off his energy.

But when I record my shit, we're bouncing off each other, and it's kind of like we're getting that sound because it's like, he telling me, nah, go clean that up, make it like this. But at the end of the day, when that's done, it's getting that same sound. Like, okay, this is real music. That's something like that. It was like a certain sound. I can't even describe it.

You consider it a sound or like it got to be like dis and the ball for it to be drill? I consider it a sound. It wasn't all the way to dissing. My fuck, I gotta say nothing about nobody. It's still be a drill. It's still be a drill song. You ain't had to dis nobody? It's that sound.

It got that sound. That sound kit that's on the beat. You got some drums on that, my fuck. I got that certain speed on that, my fuck. So what's like the first few drill records you feel like I did? Because, like, I think I interviewed, I forgot. Go listen to Eadee, what up? I shot that video.

I recorded all that shit, you know, go listen to bro shit. That's the, like, the beginning of that sound. Like, that's the sound what I'm doing. That flow, all that shit, you know, that's real music. It elevated it a little later, like, the DJ L sounds and all that came a little later. But beginning it was that. Yeah. For sure.

So how did it, you? You, Sosa, and Ida get so tight, like, early on doing some of the shit. I grew up with so. Ede grew up with Sosa. We all for the same. Like, he's from Parkway. He's from 64 King's right. We from 59.

We all tapped in. I was born a different type of time. But when we all came together, we found out we were on the same type of time. So I started calling Broneh to the crib. Like, shit, let's do some music. you i said i got the studio uh his so sad either probably already be over my career with some we're just being up playing b around and i make their ass lacing versus

they'll come back that's what you're doing they be done that's okay i just put that shit like on my spaces just locked in like vabbing in that bitch that's all it was like super low pressure at that time because you hadn't really seen records blow up and get heat Huge. What's the main question? Well, I mean, like, I feel like now when rappers make music,

there's a lot more concerns, especially once they've, like, seen a degree of success, they're thinking about how people are going to react to it in shit. And when I think about that era of drill, it felt like dudes were really making music every night and just putting it out, like, nothing online, and it was just very free. Yeah, we ain't really

really good fuck about how I'm going to look at it or nothing. That makes it, all that shit sounded crazy. Like, you go listen to it. Like, we weren't mixing that shit. We was just putting that shit. We were just going in. There's random drill songs I'll go listen to

from, like, early 2010s in Chicago. And I'll just be like, what the fuck? Like, how do we listen to some of this stuff? Because it just sounds crazy as fuck. But I remember thinking it was hard as, but now sometimes with the mix and shit, it can be a little bit difficult to really listen to some of that old shit. Yeah, it would be like this sound 2012.

But it's like that with a lot of the New York that I was listening to in the mixtape. It's mixed hair. It sounds awful. Your drill sounding like, oh, 2012 drill. Like, how they mix and they each of that sound? Like, old, ah, old drill. Like, I think the city kind of passed the drill.

How you feel about, like, other cities having, like, a drill scene? Like, you respected or? I respect it as long as they pay homage. Who you fucking? Like, what city? Like, you know, Chicago, you got the UK drill. She, Eric, every fucking, you got a drill wave almost now. Damn there right now.

Yeah. I f*** it. I be in New York, have you? With my boys, I'm in the Harlem. I just like, when they know where that shit I'm from, for real, because some of them be trying to front their move.

Like, yeah, we, y'all know that's our shit. Just at least give us that and do y'all thing. You know, I don't knock it. Just don't act like y'all started that shit. I doubt they would say this, but they could easily say, well,

we started hip-hop. Who? New York. Jail, a different job. We could argue that because we got legends from the career who've been doing that shit. MCs. We got real, we got stepers too, so we can argue that if we want to. Right.

Who says I mean, hip-hop was invented in the Bronx. Hip-hop was invented in the Bronx, though. But y'all talking about drill. Boom-boggles. No, we ain't just talking about just hip-hop peer. We can argue that. That started in the Bronx. Like, they could argue this drill started.

We could argue that as well. Who's to say that that started in the Bronx? To be fair though, like today's drill, like what's been going on in the Bronx over the past few years, you listen to 2011 era Sosa and Dirk. It's not a lot of common ground. Maybe lyrically, maybe like some of the energy, but I mean... You sound different? Yeah, totally.

I think so, but now hell so long. Bro, just, you know, he got a whole different little sound. You got to be kind of like ayo habitat. because I stayed out of town. I'm from Chicago. I stayed out of town like four years. And my music won't the same. Like, it wasn't sound the same because I just felt like I wasn't in my

habitat. I got to get back to the crib, be around my people. I came back home, started going back crazy. Adaped. Like, that's how I got to be. You got to adapt to your environment. Like, if you're out and with the palm trees and you ain't going to be rapping about that type of shit, so you're going to sound different.

So you still. out here in this shit, you still gonna have that sound, because you still in this shit, 10 toes. So you're making music and putting music out, but then all of a sudden, like, was it Sosa the first person you saw having any success?

Hell yeah. He's the one, maybe. Everybody be like, we can do this shit. That's like, me and Sosa, like, how me and I'm saying right up? We like that, so we like this, right now, and then tomorrow you always take off

and you want B, T, and hell yeah, that's going to motivate me. Because I'm like, we was just in the same room and doing the same shit. I could do the same shit. So that made everybody be like, hell, yeah, we can do it. We ain't got no labels or nothing in Chicago, but after social took off, everybody felt like we can make it.

What was it like in particular that made you feel like, holy shit, he's actually made it? Was it the numbers on YouTube and shit, or was it seeing him get a label deal or Kanye doing the remix? What was it for me? Nah, hell, now, Bain was just, he was still in, he was still trench bound.

I don't remember. I think it was the 300 who hopped on the remakes, one of somebody did the 300 remakes. Uh, Rick Ross? Ross and all them, that's when I knew that out. Yeah, he's gone for sure. But, no, it was really like the Finely Rich album.

That's when I realized, like, Yeah, you got a real project. I had the real sound, like, he's in the real studio, and there's a real, label put this real bag behind he could hear it you could hear the difference from when he was just at ken's with chop you could hear that sound i'm like yeah he's gone yeah because you just said chop chop said he was the first person out the city to get like a deal i think they signed chop

did get so and uh some right it's something like i think chop got a deal first and then reese and dirt and then social got his deal last so like you wasn't you wasn't feeling the energy like when they got it like you didn't feel like damn this could be me next yeah that's when I was going crazy crazy like the whole city was going crazy because we're like okay the eyes on us right now go crazy you gotta knock this door down but it was like at the same time the dumb important people still was like scared the city because what was coming with that shit like all these guns and bodies dropping so I understood too it's like certain motherfuckers you know still trench bound they be fake scared to with us and then it's like certain

dig in the door, represented us wrong anyway. So it's like, hell, no, we don't over the side of nobody over there. So it's kind of like we need some more building in the city. We need some labels and walk in with our music. Like New York guy, we ain't got none of that. Do you feel like there's any industry for a rapper out of Chicago really at this point? Like when I think about it, like who would be likely to support like an up-and-coming drill artist? There's not a lot coming out of Chicago, right?

Like, in terms of... I mean, you had, like, underground interviewers. First of all, my... I don't even like to label themselves as a drill artist. Right. That's a black cloud over here. You know what I'm a little? I ain't no drill artists.

I'm an artist. I don't label myself as though drill artists, none of that shit. I could do drill music. That's a genre. I could do that. Chicago, that's the thing. Chicago has the drill history, but then it also has a history of a lot of these,

like, super avant-garde, creative, weird types of people. people like Common or Kanye or Lupe Fiasco or you know there's just like a shitload of like really creative rappers and non street rappers who came out of Chicago too but is there anybody coming up out of Chicago who fits that description nowadays like that isn't really doing the street rap shit I mean that's the rapper yeah yeah we got a couple so all that but that was a while ago yeah we got a couple of motherfuckers who trying to you know shoot straight show my fuck you ain't got to do that I respect that, though. I fuck with them.

So what high school you was going to at this time? Like, when the drill shit really started kicking out. Yeah, I was going on diet on 51st King's draft. I was barely going that motherfucker because there was a lot going home. I always bought singing that, my fucking. They're shooting in front of that, my father. And the option shit was going to y'all's school or something? Out here.

We was in two of a niggas right in front of the school. We were going to school on the house block. That ain't all that shit. We're from 59. you know shit but my OG my mama she didn't get no fuck you gotta go to school or he ain't living here so me I was taking my pipe school

I had to go to school so that's just what it was and then that shit at some point I just stopped because it's like that's too much so but it was really that it was getting that serious where it was like damn I can't go to school today

because I just know it's going to lead to some shit right yeah yeah tell them brother streets what it gets well three's going on around that time it was like heavy the drills since it was going on shit one old school they can't call that school shooting at school

look they just I don't know if y'all pay attention to Chicago knew they just killed two shorties coming out of school like last week yeah I seen that that shit been going on yeah I mean what was your perspective on that when you saw those those two kids get killed like I fuck my head out because they babies to me you know like six or something. Shorties, but I'm the ones who I was doing this shit.

I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, they got videos of them posted up doing a little hood documentary shit, just showing their back alleys and shit and all of them having pipes and shit. That's what they're doing. That's the city. It's like shit.

And what we're from, you gotta get with this shit. Oh, shit. That's why I don't really want to raise my shorties out there. I'm trying to get ridged right now. You can't raise your son out there. Like, shit, you got to adopt. You gotta adopt. Can't do it properly.

You still live in Chicago and shit? Yeah, I'm in the city. I'm in a little, I'll be tough. I don't be nowhere in the red. That's something, you know, on game time, something I'll be telling. So, like, once Sosa starts really blowing up, from your perspective,

are you, like, so a part of his crew that you're assuming that you're going to be kind of moving around with him and shit like that or not? That's just my only. That's Bertie. He had his own little click. He always had, he always had his clicking and shit.

Like before the Gloke game, they was BBG or some shit, bang, bang, gang. They had their own little shit. HMT, slick, Duski, them all the boys. You know, they've been doing that shit. So I knew what I was going on,

who he going to know when it's time of glow. That's just my brother. So I don't be expecting No nigger anyway That one, that was my M.O. Stilo and all that shit I was more proud for him But shit, like I said, that shit Just motivated me, it put something in me

So, end of the day, that shit That shit put a drive in the motherfucker Like, go crazy It helped everybody who was trying to do this shit So there was never like a conversation About you signing the GBE or anything? Was it too early for that? No, I want to know of that

I just talked to bro like last year We was talking about his roster and shit That was something we put in the ass shit We ain't never get back on that shit I told bro I don't fuck with the glow though Out of everybody who front of career I don't fuck with so Because that's my boy

But I got my own shit I'm 45 For sure So at the time you got the GV movement Then you got like Dirk with the OTP What was your relationship with like Dirk Because then it was the 300 umbrella But you consider your

yourself underneath the 300? Nah. Nah. I fuck with Dirk, though, on some... We was doing music. I got a little track with him and shit. I fuck with Dirk on some shit like that, but we ain't got no relationship other than that.

Yeah. How did that song? Because I had a song early on. Yeah, that was business. But we got a lot of mutual homies. So, it's like I fuck with Dirk, for sure. All his people, them are people, though.

Like, Wokingham, Leverning, all the more people. That's blood. For sure. Yeah. I don't know. I just always... just felt like you

fell underneath that 300 umbrella even if you're 6,000. I'm from King Drive. 300, they're from 64th and normal. Yeah. We on the other end, a whole other end side of the bridge. But them are my boys, though.

I fuck with a lot of them, 300 over the, I got real people over the show. I could say that some of them names like family. But yeah, me and Dirk ain't got no relationship. Yeah. So you did like the first ever Zach TV interview?

Shit, we say that. Like when he came back to the city, I think he was in college in New York or some shit. He had just came back to the crib I bumped to the nigga at the gas station. Why you hop out of that? 95th.

95th of the gas station. Go on this channel. Go way down. He popped out with his camera and shit. We're looking like, who the fuck? Brod up in a tweet-out type of shit. He's like, no, I want to do an interview. Who my name?

Zach TV? What the fuck? Oh, I'm like, come on. We, on 95th, we're in the trench. I'm right here. You want to do an interview right here? He's right here. He ain't got no fog.

I'm in. It's crazy. Yeah, we tapped in after that. We locked in. And then shit, I kept doing interviews with him. I watched this channel grow. R.P. Zach, man, that's my boy. But did you even know anybody doing interviews at that time with, like, street artists on a super low-key underground level like that?

Because this is, like, early days of YouTube, too, where not many people had really even thought of that idea. Now it's obvious to everybody. Oh, if I get a interview with this rapper, it could be worth this amount of money to me or I could, you know, the rappers want to do it because they want the publicity. Is this like a new concept to you kind of? Yeah, what? Like doing interviews? Just the idea that someone would want to do interviews in the streets in dangerous-ass neighborhoods with drill rappers like that. It might have took you so as a surprise, right? I don't know. It just felt real. At that moment, I'm like, shit. All right. Then he like, because I asked him, like, why you want to do it right?

I don't look like no rapper or shit. I'm telling you I do music. I don't got no jury on or nothing, but he's like, I don't get no fuck you're outside right here to show him how you be right here. I'm like, that's real, though. Because I know how people want to see the artists who they listen to. They want to see sometimes. They just

want to see how you is on some real shit without cameras and shit. So he's like, let's keep you just real. Let's talk your shit. We ain't got a little I ain't have no haircut or nothing. He's like, just talk your shit. I'm like, all right, bet. And I did it.

That bitch did a lot of numbers. I was like, right. I fuck with Zach TV. Started hitting my line, I was hitting his line, putting up on them, bro. Come get me. Just come listen to my music.

We were just riding traffic. We just, no interview, no camera shit. We just fucking around. It's my real bro. He got me all on his end, Honey Phil. I don't even pose to be there on, for real. You know, he got me,

that's bro. Who are pulling out through his shit? I'm like, man, that's Nick Craig. I fuck with Zach, though. That's my only. all the Chicago interviewers now they don't really like go place to place to do their interviews

mostly it seems like they just have a spot and they got people to pull up right yeah that shit he was playing crazy doing that shit that's what I like yeah he was out of his time with that yeah that shit was crazy but that's what made him him you feel him because there ain't nobody doing it like the niggas be scared or

gotta come security and all this goofad shit to come do he was just him and his camera he had his gun on him and we doing this shit Damn. Rest in peace, man. Yeah. How'd you feel when you heard about them passing? I was fucked up.

That shit fucked me up. He's an interviewer. You're supposed to be kind of like separate from all that shit, right? That one for him. But you know, streets ain't got no rules. That's how that shit be going. That went for my boy, though. He was just doing what he do.

He didn't do this shit wrong. He gave everybody a platform. But that's what's wrong with, you know. Like I was just saying, they'd be scared to fuck with us because shit like that be going on. Like, we can't have shit. He gave him a motherfucker a platform on there. Appreciate him, you know?

They're mish handling them, for sure. R.P. Zach, though. So break down where Aida Park is. Aida Park, that's the Wild Hunts, man. Shit, tell me where Aida Park is. My brother, he's from Aida Park. King Vaugh and Dad from out there, right? Yeah, that's my uncle, man.

That's Silk, man. R.P. Silk, you know what I'm saying? But Aida Park, that's on the south side. That's the hunters, man. Like, you know, all through like 113, 112, you know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna really get a block, but if you know, you know, but, you know, that's the infamous park. You know what I'm saying? That area we had a number of people getting money.

Like bro said, they really weren't about no violence on my end. I wanted to be eight of park because I seen my uncle Silvers, Vaughn there, he was getting money. And it was love. It was still a little loyalty left. You know what I'm saying? The niggas were still sticking back some rules, you know what I'm saying? Okay. It was still a little bit for him, you know what I'm saying?

So, shit, you know, that's just the wild hunt. man you know what's in the wild hunters it's the south side you know what I'm saying it's dangerous area though shit you get your life or whatever people's getting money man so King Vaughn's dad's your uncle what was your relationship with Vaughan shit you know Vaughn came to our hood a lot of times you know what I'm saying he was locked over the guy who from Ada Park bro was a real guy he was putting shit he was putting money on some of the guys books to this day I still got a relationship with his brother Bogo you know what I'm saying Dominique they from Aida park

so you know what I'm saying like shit his daddy I say them girl, like he told me a lot of shit. Like, let me ride forward. Like, I seen, you know what I'm saying, how you can make money. You know what I'm saying? I never seen no sad. Like, where he was valid. He just made money and made sure we went to school.

Do you want to go into school? Yeah, beat us up, shit like that. Like, you weren't in school? Hold on, I'm going to beat you up. You know, we're doing good at school. He's the type, here about everybody something. I don't care. Ice cream, every shortie out here getting a dollar.

Like, that's the type of guy he was. It was love still. You know what I was. Yeah, big homies. It was a little structure. Like you fuck up, this shit can happen to you, you know what I'm saying? Since his hunting, really had no deal on me. Yeah, we had a few for sure.

Like Shark on the shit, really? Shark, that's my big, that's my big on me for sure. Shout out shark, can't know, you know. Yeah. A lot of shit going on, shark's shit, but you know that's still my dog. They're tweaking with him and shit, you know. You did what it is. You're talking about, like, the shit with him and Mimo?

Yeah, all that shit. To take your weight. So how did you feel when you've seen that video? Shark in the interrogation. I mean, it wasn't even a... It was just the body cam footage. You feel like he was saying too much? Man, look.

Bro, he'd say his name, Paul, that's y'all. That's how he said. Look, we're going to leave that shit where that, man. Yeah. But, yeah, for sure. We ain't had too many big homies. It's a couple of the niggas who I can say that for, for sure, though. I feel like E. Day was considered, like, the big homie.

Like, he's one of those, for sure, you know? You can say that. That's my big homie for sure. That's big bro. So Idae kicked off the rat beef with a duck. Oh, yeah. Who responded first? You got the EDA as you serious,

but was that a response to what E'day put it out, right? Ede kicked it off, I think. What song was that? Because they responded with the EDA as you serious. Yeah, this shit was the fuck the other side. Oh, my gosh. And he dropped that? Yeah, I shot the video.

Word. Oh, my gosh. So you can, that's type of one of the. real the first real songs then right there you know bro that bitch got it bossin i ain't gonna lie y'all what was your relationship with duck a billion at the time like y'all was friends or you knew them i don't know duck at all but uh shit i had a like shit with um billion i ain't gonna lie because you know he's from welshuil er originally he from low end so i was fucking around down uh i know i knew black and shit it was just like different because i i wasn't used to us being on that type of time

But it was what it was. Early on did you try to, like, mediate shit? Like, if you're friends with Ede, then you friends with Big and their black? I did. I didn't, I didn't. I put Black and Ede on the phone. When it first came out, Black called my phone. Like, man, what's your homie on? Like, whoa. I said, bro, on what he on?

I ain't going to lie. You can't tell Eid's shit. I said, bro, on what he's on? He's right here. He was sitting next to me. I put it on the phone. He's, ooh, because that they're doing. They get some. I came in the phone.

that's what it was. Matter of fact, Black called me back. He let me hear a little bit of his shit. He, I'm from to drop this right here. Oh man, y'all that's tweaking. And that's the E-Dagey series? He let me hear through the phone.

He, boy, he's tweaking. I'm going to drop this. I'm like, man, what the fuck y'all got going on, man? I was tweaking, bro. But he did what they did, and that's what it was. If you knew how far all that shit was going to go, would you have maybe tried a little harder to, like, get them to patch it up?

to not put it out. It was beyond that. It was already beyond that rap shit because it was already like shit going on in the streets. That rap sheet just was like the ice and on cake. That's just how everybody was learning about it, right?

On a wider scale. For sure. What a time to be alive. R.P. Cooper, my son. That's my brother. And that's why I speak highly, bro, because I was duh. It was dangerous, but it was fun.

What a time. to be a lie. Bro, that's all, like I say. So y'all was having fun, like, doing the drill ever and shit. Yeah, boy, what a time to be to live. Yeah, it was fun, but it was, you know, saying shit, make you laugh, make you cry. My fuck get to down, that shit ain't fun.

Because you got shot at one point, didn't it? Yeah, I got shot, so. Breakdown the day, like, what happened when you got shot? Like, it was regular day on a lot? Talk about that shit, yeah. Where you get shot at? Like, I got shot my hand. Yeah.

See my thumb. Just chilling outside, just ran them. No, we used in traffic, motherfucker. You know, a little shit, Chase. We used in traffic, though. Yeah, Road Ridge? No, they want shit. They want nothing at all.

Normal shit, man. A little normal day. Yeah, so, shit, age. Supposed to be on point. We was a little loose that day. That's all. Damn. You can't tell you out there, shit, man.

That was the only time you had got shot. Like that's the only yeah, that's totally time I got in one time Okay, so was there a time period where you felt like you kind of fell out with a bunch of 600 members Shit all the time in the block fall out get back to my brothers I know shit I'm bro. I'm a tour some guy right now Don't my brothers that ain't shit It seemed like she's hunting kind of like split up right now, right? You was a you a you're a little bit agree on that?

It seemed like it's two sizes this is on it. I say we're stronger than no, for real. This shit is just behind the scenes. I say we're stronger to know. We all type there. I'm my brother.

We be all high. We're on the same type of time on the same page. We just got to put this shit back on the stove for it. You know, behind the scenes, we together. It might look like that

on the outside looking in, but I'm a part of this shit. So who you feel like the original 600 is? I seen a tweet where you said Mimo wasn't original Cizani. Who you consider the original Cizanid? Who you consider the original Cizanid? The niggas who are, shit.

Who started the block, shit. But, you know, the guys know who they original is here. Like the hood of miserable rappers from it. Like, you used, yeah. Yeah, rappers. I can't even say it all because, shit, it was niggas rapping before me. Who's from the block, you know? I don't do that.

rhythm shit because I call myself for a rhythm so everybody played they part everybody played they part I'm gonna just say that well we had like a really interesting look into the 600 potential split because we're sitting there talking to Mimo and 600 Breezy

and Mimo's talking about how he fucks Arruga and how he's gonna do a song with him and 600 Breezy just sitting there like man like he's not like all the way mad but he also you can tell that he don't love this idea everybody ain't gonna be on you know Everybody ain't going to agree with everybody, but shit.

Me' old pushy peace right now. That's what he got going on. That's what it is. I respect. Yeah, man, they own man, you know. Shit, I ain't going to lie. It take a big man to do what they're doing because shit, I don't know. Me, I don't know how I play that situation.

But it is what it is. That's what they're doing. That's what it is. So you fuck with the pushing peace thing, at least in theory? Oh, yeah, that's my brother's shit. Tell me, selfish, man. We push the piece. That's what it is.

me honestly I don't got a push piece because I don't do all that raw and shit anyway I'm gonna just keep doing what I've been doing I don't get on this waxing this niggas

and none of that shit I do music that's what I'm trying to do I'm trying to do music man so me I'm all for the push piece if that's what I want to do do that you know

but yeah man they're your own man so everybody ain't gonna fall in line that's what it is definitely Yeah, I mean, you're like older now, so it's got a... So, MIB there in four days. And you're going to be how old?

29. I mean, that's crazy because that means that you were coming up or like getting recognition at what, like 14, 15? So. I mean, nobody could blame you for not maybe like understanding how crazy shit was or how out of control it was going to get. Because you were so young that it's not like you have a shitload of life experience to be able to tell how,

how wild all this shit is going to get. Yeah. Man. Yeah, for sure. What shit. That's what it is. I'm just glad I made it this far from where I come from. That's a crazy thing you said that because it's like you had like survivors' remorse because it seemed like a lot of, you know what I'm saying?

A lot of niggins don't make it to 2930 coming from that era of Chicago. How you managed to survive and like stay out the way so much? You survived a trench. So shit. I am hell. I don't get no foster out of the trench. Every day, it takes a lot. You was doing bids?

Because it seemed like a lot of people who did bids, I guess, like, if you locked up, you obviously, you know what I'm saying? You out the way. No, I ain't do no bids, hell no. I ain't chewed up. Thank God, I ain't ever do no bids. Free the guys, though, you know. A lot of my own, you know, doing life and doing bids and shit.

Playing in the streets. That's what come with this shit as well, you know. Sign up for this shit. That's what come with this shit. about motherfucker who ain't there the bitch. Robe in Chicago, he knows Chicago way. He said he know. He ain't had to do no bed.

It's about, you feel, me. It's real tricky. It's real risky. You feel, me? Like, don't take rest. What about, what was your relationship with Mack do? Because then- My brother, R.P. Mac.

R.P. He was found dead in his jail, so something like that. That's shit, fluid to me. But yeah, R.P. Mac. Oh, bro. Mac, my boy, came on my first show. That was real, you know, my real brother. Yeah, had, like, a relationship, like, why you was still in jail? Like, y'all was in communication in you?

Yeah, I told him, he called. He went my father to him. I'd be on the block. He called out of the whole block. Yeah. Checking in. That's the whole. He cool.

For sure. I was kidding. Touch me, man. That's my boy. Another person we didn't really just mention yet is L.A. Capone. You know, you got E. L.A. L.A. and Rondo was out there early.

rapping and shit too. What was your relationship with them? My brothers. Rondo, my little bro, shit, man. LA, we're bent tight, show. Shit, I'm my boys. I was putting them in the yo, too. I was on their ass, getting in the studio. I found out of bro-n-n-n-crop. I was on their ass.

Come on, let's record. LA, he's catch the bus, come record him. Oh, bro. Nah, he had found a studio. Look, bro, that's how I know he wanted to rap for real. Like, he had a fan in the studio. He ain't wait on nobody. Like, I went to talk to him for a week here, talked to me here,

I had three new songs. He'd been in all type of motherfuckers, record, shit. Like, he don't wait on nobody. I'm like, I like his a lad. He's for real with this shit. He don't play. I'm like, shit. I was just fucking with him on the music,

so for show, trying to keep on them. Yeah. Out that shit, you know? And that's where you met Vaughn? Was that his house? Yeah, that's why I met Vaughn at that. No, I met Vaughn at Take Herb. Oh, okay.

Take a poem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, bro. Because he was dating Taye sister. Yeah, he was day Mina, but Meena went over there. It was just me and him and Tay. We was just over there.

I don't know how the fuck was going on. We just over there. And then Vaughn was like, tight. Oh, brother. But me and Tay was tight, so shit. That's my boy, too. I fucked with Vaughn. He was cool.

You and Tay still tight? Yeah, that's my brother. I seen for a minute because a lot of people in 600 had like turning back on tape but you was one of the first ones I seen I can't together and didn't interview yeah I can't turn my back on buddy that's my boy how y'all get back in tune like what was that conversation like um shit it was like a real brother conversation we argued this shit since some threats but it was shit that's my brother but yeah

he was tweaked with me i was tweaked with his uh this the first time we ain't talked in a long time so like it was a little heated but shit we got past that shit My brother, we got new music and shit on the way. He on my new project. So you always stayed focused on the music throughout the years? Hell yeah. This shit don't stop. That's how I pay my bills.

I eat outstream and that shit like that. I love my supporters. Not even my fans. I love my supporters, for sure. You said he's on your new project? So, like, you got some new shit you're cooking up? Yeah, I got like three new projects on the way. Six summers.

I am him. I got another little project on the way. I just dropped a project with DJ Meal ticket. I got some shit. You feel like Drill is dead, or you think that the new generation is keeping it alive? Dill ain't going nowhere, man. That shit, hell, it is what it is. It's just going to be a new wave of that shit.

It's just, you know, that's the sound. A lot of people have been going kind of viral for saying that Drill is, like, just about dead and that there's no real money to be made, making it. It ain't about dead. It ain't no. certain category. It's a sound. You ain't got to talk about dead people at all

that have a drill record. It could just be the surre tempo, the way you're riding that motherfucker in your flow. Facts. That I make your shit a drill song. So is I spice a drill rapper? Technically.

She got that little sound that New York drill sounds. No, no, no. Yeah, kind of, sort of. There's a few people coming out. I've seen a lot of like meme type rappers and shit coming out and then basically like Ron Suno is like not on some crazy street shit

he's from New York he makes like drill sounding ass music they played on the radio and shit because he ain't talking about killing people. That's what makes this shit so sound so demonic like the fucking thing you gotta say some crazy shit to make that shit that's a genre like hip hop you know how hip hop got some certain sounds some beats

that's just real they got a certain sound they ain't gotta disrespect nobody but then when you got niggas like King Vaugh who was like arguably like one of the biggest drill rappers to come through of recent. He was known for dissing. So like that's King Vaughn, though. But you see why people associate dissing

with the drill sound though? Yeah, for sure. That's a big, that's huge, you know, that's a huge part of shit. But I'm just saying when they kind of doing what we do, music, you don't have to take that route. You see what that shit getting the motherfucker that right? That's what I'm about saying.

And nobody winning yet doing that shit. So you ain't got to do that. That's a repeat cycle because the motherfucker think you're going to win. Don't nobody want to do that shit Because once you do that shit It's a certain way you got to move through the city Ain't no more outside

Ain't no more popping out Ain't none of that shit You gotta have your pipe on you at all times You're very uncomfortable The way you're living You can act like, yeah, I'm out of hell But you ain't living right Don't nobody want to live like that bro

Just do your music Get some money out this shit And you know Do what you do Everybody trying to do that shit That shit ain't it You see I'm a product of that Go listen to my music

the nigger on this no niggas niggas know where I'm from from 59 kings right, cow you madden bro. Niggas know what we're doing the streets and niggas know what it is but I ain't got to get on wax and say none of that to do a million views I ain't this, none of your homies

you can listen to this song the niggas from the other side list to my songs you know? When Vom recently just had his running shit was you in tune with him? Like y'all had the communication and shit? Not towards the end I was fucking with Von for each side.

Like he was at take career he wasn't really even rapping this shit Bro was on some normal kicking it over that shit We went on no rapper time is after he got out like oh he got out I mean on bro one no lay shit for real I ain't from both was hot on at him for real Corrievin I ate apart no Yeah, like some of them who signed over that O T.R. They from our block Bucca you know I was still like I still in cahoots with certain motherfuckers

like I just told I love Vernon walking under my people so it's like I'm still in cahoots with motherfuckers it's just like on some everyday talking about we weren't doing none of that I be doing what I do I'll be shit

doing I got my own label and shit I ain't really tapped in with nobody else I'd be just doing what I be doing you feel on the radio for sure why you think why you think that is though like

why you think the people ain't catch on Oh shit, I don't know. I feel like shit I ain't I ain't reached my peak or I feel like I ain't you know consistent enough Honestly like all my supporters say put more music out Put up more music so like this year I'm gonna try to do that. I'm gonna get on the wrong just drop a year Yeah week. What we doing better? Yeah, we're doing we're gonna try to drop air week I ain't gonna love bro up already

See what I do yeah They already hacked my YouTube so I got a new channel. I'm trying to fuck them up and Anyway, just keep dropping visions in a week. You know? Did all the shit that was on that YouTube get taken down? It took everything, all my millions. That was my real views. Damn, so when we're looking through your videos on YouTube,

that's not everything, huh? Because I felt like there was some shit missing. It took over 40 million views. That's why this shit looked crazy. It looked like I just started rapping or some shit. Oh, fuck. Do you know how they got it? Yeah, I'll tell you, bro.

On the guys. What I tell you, though, when they took the page. They hacked that bitch. They hacked me on my Gmail and got it. in that bitch and you would think they'd keep it though because I had so many subscribers they know how Google pay they probably like sold it to somebody or something

drop it no they just deletes it the whole page just delete that was a hate crime I feel like that's a hustle they're like steal it and then like take everything off it and sell it to somebody because it's an account with subscribers already or whatever and that shit had a boat ready to start rapping man wow I don't blame

you that would be horrible like pet your motherfucker take the whole no jump platform yeah imagine just hack it and delete it. Don't take the and change it and I'm just taking and delete all your hard work. Yeah, you're going fill away. You're going to want to fuck that shit. 10 years of artwork. And the fact

that they just deleted it and even tried to sell it. Nothing. I feel like it was an op. No, I don't know what that was. But that shit puts something in me though. That's why I'm going to just go crazy. It ain't shit. Yeah, because J. Honestly, his page getting deleted kind of gave him a new drive and

gave him this energy where he at right now. Matter of fact, check on the I see, um, Jayman, car got broken in and shit. That was at the other location that we got. That was a little story. This is a chill area. That's like a super touristy area. All right.

We ain't playing that this way on that thing. I'll just play. I'll put it like this. If your car got broken into here, I would feel really fucking bad. They say y'all bad doodle, man. If it happened, if your car got broken into on Melrose, I would just say. That was a dope, brother. You can't leave anything on your car.

Adam. You know, Joe, Jay May. Listen, extremely open. Because it's a fucking tourist trap. That's like an area with mad stores and people get robbed on that street every day. He did. Oh, over. Oh, bro.

He did. I can show you my text with J.M. And him asking me for some money for it. And I was like, nah, bro. That ain't how this works. I just shut his house down. No, I did. Say cheese, too.

That shit was crazy. Oh, yeah. Say cheese. He had V with him. So his hard shit got took, too. And crazy because my car was in the... Your car was there. Your car was there, but you didn't leave anything out.

I don't leave anything in the back seat. So he thought it was a back door because my car didn't get broken into. But I'm like, I ain't got shit in the back seat. You know what I'm saying? Nobody from here would ever leave anything in their car. But I assume that nobody would do that in most other cities as well. They robbing in L.A. Yeah.

We know. I got a drill in Chicago. They robbing up here. No, I'm so. You got a relationship with J-Man? Like, you know? No, I don't know, Jayman. I'll be seeing them on YouTube and shit.

How you feel? about the movement he got going on and shit. Oh, shit. He with the P push the piece, right? Yeah. Like I said, I'm all for it. It's going to make the city better do what I do, man. Oh, bro.

I'm really standing behind my brother, though, Tate's Sibber, so that's what it is. You want to take out any music? Y'all worked on that shit? Yeah, we got some shit on the way. Yeah. Yeah, we got some shit on the way. All the guys. I just drive some shit with mellow bucks, too.

Go check that shit out. Shout out Meadow. She goes crazy. How you know him, Miller? She really, shit, her pops. He working the hood and shit, he's working on. He working the hood. So I knew him and shit, I hit him like, man, I want to do something with your daughter. He's like, I put a word in for you.

I guess he put a word in and I hit her up. She hit back. Like, well, let's do it. And it went like that. And she tapped in with some of my brothers and I'm from, you know, cross-western. I think she related the niggas for no lemon shit or she found

No lemon yeah she has no lemon so but shit I don't we was on another type of time I fuck what her though she got the city right now for the females facts

you sure that Tay Savage and her aren't like recruiting you to beef on their behalf because they got they got all kinds of weird shit going on right I don't get on my father

beef man I'm my own man I'm bro but like I said I'm standing my hand with my brother that's going on you know sure

How you feel about the Trave-Lor-Raw's documentary on Tate Savage? You seen that? Man, that shit be crazy, man. Who the fuck is, dude? What he's from? I don't know. He from London, that's what I'm from here. He from London.

I can't watch it because I don't like his voice. It'd be wild, shit. You seen any of them? He did a whole bunch. He got the King Ron one. That shit got like 10 million views. And that's why he's doing this shit. I've seen, like, the first 15 minutes of that shit.

Yeah. You can't keep going? Damn, first 15 minutes you don't even get into, like, Juan's life, right? Because he talks about the history of Chicago. His shit got the bars on the timeline. Yeah. Damn, this bitch. All day.

Oh, B. It's like three, four hours. It's police. It's it. Police make you hate him out here. Make you think a motherfucker was on some man. Because they're the, I don't know. I don't want to make his channel.

Oh, bro. For sure, I look at Tay different. You win, bro. No, you can't believe that shit, though. Don't be believed. I choose to believe all of it. These people don't know these people. How the fuck is you?

I don't know. Like the whole, you don't even know me. I feel like Traplow Ross has done a lot more research than most people in terms of understanding where somebody's at. Usually I just kind of whatever. That's up to you. I'm not going to like do an investigation into what you've done to people in the past,

but Traplor Ross does that. Trappler is crazy, man. He really wants to know. I kind of like don't want to know. Why don't? He dig deep. Because, you know, all right. That's the question.

I talk to Fredo bang sometime, right? Okay. Like a good amount. I never have been like, so what's really going on with young boy? Like, I would just feel goofy as fuck. I'm just not going to, I'm not going to press that issue, you know? That's your shit.

That's from where you're from. It's not my question, you know, to you. And, you know, if I can't talk to you about it on camera, I guess I kind of want to know, but it's not really like of much use to me. right. He weird. Yo, weird.

Nah, some shit dude needs to be behind the scene, though. Yeah. Yeah. We can't do it anything.

Can't be on camera, buddy. Feefear, he ain't the only one. It's a lot of niggas making documentaries from Chicago. He's just the best at it.

Chicago scene 88 or 77. All that shit is crazy. And police. I'm trying to really see who been licking those county videos and shit, too. 1090J said, it's two people

to actually work at Cook County. Yeah, they are going to be. Greece, yeah. So you can't, like, you or I couldn't request that stuff. It's only out because of the fucking people who work there. According to that.

That's the only way you could get. How else you could get that shit? Oh, I thought that you could just do a freedom of information request. You can on someone. He knows that type of shit. It's like all, like, a FOI song, but not Jake said that the dude. All I know is. That shit is working at the cookout.

They getting exactly who they look for, those videos. Like, they go and digging for the motherfuckers. That shit crazy. When's the last time you talked to Chief Keefe? Shit, it's about like a year. Yeah, a year and a half. You just still tap in from time to time? Shit, not for what we talk when we talk, shit.

That's all. I've seen an interview where... I mean, talking about Tato, though. That's my boy. Shout out Tato. I seen an interview where you said that you kind of felt like Cheeky left you behind, like left you in the trenches or left you for dad type shit.

Let me clear that up. When I say that, I be like, shit. that when you come from, we come from, and you know, I just wanted the motherfucker to, like, reach at the time. Like, he ain't do, like, none of that. But he did take who he took, and I respect that because, you know, them was just more of his, you know. But, like I said, we started together, shit.

I did feel that way. You know, I felt the way. Like, damn. Help a motherfucker, you know? Well, he helped the motherfucker in a different type of way. He ain't had to literally jump on. no track, shot the motherfucker out, do none of that, Sam Eglow gang.

What he did for the city, that shit helped me. He put the light on us, so it worked out. Everybody knows who that's the idea, you ain't, you know, and everybody know why I come from and what's the root of this shit, if you know, you know. So he did help me in a long run, he helped me in a lot of ways. So I respect it.

I was a little better at about that shit, like, take me, you knick. It was one of all, like, you're my homie. We're just right at there. got a nigga, you ain't a motherfucker at all. So you would have been interesting to, like, signing the G.B. Like, at one point in time. Uh-huh.

Not even just so much of signers, that shit. Yeah. Just, you know, fuck with a motherfucker. Yeah. We ain't got to be on no paperwork. We were never doing that. We brought us before anything. Before the music, like, me and so kick it.

That's my boy. We did school. I'm at a fourth career. He had my career. We're kicking it. We ain't just doing music. That's my homie. First nigga took me in partway.

You know, he let that gate open. That's my brother. Let him in. Y'all see him. That's that dot. And since that day, all the nays knew who I was, the my boys. So it's real respect for that, man. I never talk down on none of that shit.

That's my brother. At that time, who was hanging down the O block? Because I know I've seen somewhere else where you said that you and J. Money was tight. That's my boy. I met all of them through so, you know. But ended up and having my own relationship because now I'm over here and this nigga's so ain't even over here. He's somewhere on Front Street, so I'm in the old.

I'm from 50-night. They know that, though, but as far as they concerned, Sosa, he's good. You see him, that's my brother. So they gave me a certain love through the door. Yeah, like so. So when you're an O-block and Sosa not there, who are you kicking him with, I tell you?

All them. My dogs. C. Murder. H.K. All them. Jay Money. My boys. For real.

Why do you think Sosa ain't really do, like the approach King Vaughan did? You know how King Vaughn, like, kind of like, tried to put the whole hood. I mean, I guess Sosa did at one point, but you see how that one was- So-sa did, but how you think everybody know who O-Block is?

Oh, bro. Oh, blah. So, O-Block. Yeah. O'Block. Yeah, well. He had everybody in the world want to be O'block, boy. Nah, for sure.

Can never take that from that man. Vaughn did his thing, can't, you know, it was just hitting different. He did a whole different. But, so definitely made that, he stamped that, you know. Vaughn was a people person Chief,

very low-key, likes to be alone, likes to be with a couple people post up in the crib, like, you know, it's just very different types of people. It's kind of easy for me to understand how Vaughn

had a different effect on the city. But from what I heard... He's just savage. Too savage for him. They love that shit. Yeah. The city love that shit. I thought Sosa was like a people person too

because they said he'll be hanged. Soceo was good than like everybodyhood or whatever. Yeah, for sure. I go, yeah, well. And he water, bit, he's at, he does. Bro, he's all on Black Gate. He on Front Street.

He on 600. He, O'block. Yeah, well. I just think, like, once he got success, he chose to be out, dip off, be to himself, or with his boys, or whatever, whereas Vaughn got successful and did the thing that most people from the hood don't do,

which is, like, really go back, celebrate your area, put everybody's chains, etc., you know. bro, how he didn't get to that point because, you know, a lot of shit happened in the midst of, you know, when he's becoming successful. He probably would have did all that shit

like Von here. He probably, you know, a lot of shit happened. Too fast. Yeah, he has, like, active warrants in Chicago. That's why he hasn't been back in 10 years. So, that's understandable. Oh, my gosh.

Stay gone. That's what we're trying to get rich for. Get the fuck on. Nobody want to come back to that shit. If he flew in, for sure, the cops will get alerted right away. Nobody wants to be in that shit, man. Yeah.

Everybody, yeah. Everybody wants to be in that shit. Everybody's trying to get ready to get the fuck on. That's what the purpose is. When I think about all the times I went to Chicago, of all the time I went to Chicago in my life, having now interviewed a shit of people from Chicago, I feel like I was very, very oblivious to the dangers

that were lurking around. I saw you with old pass and that was shit and shit, right? Yeah, but even before that. Yeah, you did do your shit. I like that. I just been to Chicago a lot of times throughout my life and never was really worried about shit. when I think about it now.

A white boy, though. You're suchy. Any way you go, you good. Oh my guys, they're not going to play with you, bad. They're not going to look your way. They're not going to look your way. I don't have no good.

I don't even nothing, man. But you want to know why I fuck with the cops in Chicago? That's a good way to begin a sentence, right? So my boy, Jason, you got a big-ass gun tattoo on the back of his head. And so we're walking around downtown Chicago going somewhere, and I just hear from right behind us, I just hear like,

hey, let me see that gun. And I'm like, look behind us, two big-ass cops. And then I realized that they, just making a joke about the fucking tattoo on his head. I was like, damn, you don't really scare the shit out of me there for a second. What the fuck? Some of the cops got jokes, what?

You're white, boy, you good. Black motherfuckin, they frisking us. He got a good. You got a good. You're good. I go to Chicago. I didn't bring Apple. Hell, yeah.

You got white. Hell yeah. We can have all type of sticks in the color. They don't even go bust that bitch down. They go y'all go about China away, man. Yeah, I got four-class. Oh, okay. The C-belt on looking straight.

YouTube title that would go crazy. Nah, it probably looked weird to be in the trench, though. I visited Every Hood in Chicago in 24 hours. YouTube video title, boom, viral. What you say? That's like a Mr. Beast title. What you say? Like, I went to Every Hood in Chicago in 24 hours.

You did for show? No, but, like, if you did. I don't know. Or if you said you did. We're doing that. That shit on that. Go search. I don't know if I really want to do that

But somebody could do that And like Niggas a filetable way to like If a nigga went to O Block And 63rd and then they're here Or you feel like Depends on who No

If Mr. Beast does it It's all good This niggas out of doing that Right now They're doing that They're just showing different They're trying to be like What Zach left

They're trying to do that shit now You know It's a couple platforms Trying to leave off From where he left You know Who's the best interviewer In Chicago

Or who's got the top spot right now Me Oh shit out Me personally, I fuck with my boy on 16 and my boy DJU. Yeah. To my boys. Well, what's the order? Who's number one?

I don't got no order. You don't think about it like that? No, I don't know. I like how they just got their platforms going, you know, they two weeks. Like I said, we need some more platforms in the career. We ain't got no labels. We could at least have some couple platforms that, you know, that's decent. I like that what they got going on for the city.

I don't like them tweaking this shit. I don't get into that. I don't know what they have going on. but I respect both for their grind. We got a little fake beef, right? Yeah, I'd be saying and that's it.

Truth tell the shit. I fall with truth. I fuck with truth. He'd be having some shit on there. He needs to get Mike. I watched the fucking whiskey in a police. I see y'all.

I watched the truth tell of whiskey interview that I'm still pissed off about because I couldn't hear a goddamn thing he was saying. I turned it all the way up. I still couldn't hear shit. Why y'all had trench up? You know?

We didn't know. Well, he actually, he was going hard on him. If you watched that interview, He's going nuts trying to get him to admit it. Because I felt like he was a snitch. You know what you know. I just felt. That's why in the last question I asked him,

I said, you just before we get up out of here, you want to clear up the snitching rooms and this shit and the nigger just promoted his book. So I was out of it. I was like, yeah, he definitely. That shit crazy, you know. But I don't see her.

They just did after the O blocks. That shit, for real. That ain't no shit to play with, you know? Yeah. He helped take him down. If it wasn't for him, might have walked free? Probably not, but...

My name Paul, that's y'all. So wait, your name's Paul, that's y'all? Or... Who's Paul? That's like a little lingo. It's just like a rhyming thing? Okay. You know what?

Like the Binnett thing? Yeah. Yeah, you gotta come back to the crib, man. I got to work my sweater. You got to work on my sweater. You got to work on the rap, man. Like, the Chicago always got some new... I don't keep up with that shit, man.

I feel to be 29, man. I naturally just be having that shit. I think I'm, I feel old. Right. I don't know. That's a good thing, though. In Chicago, man, niggas gonna be making it's 30 and shit like that, right? Hell no, I'm an OG.

You feel like an OG, though? Nah, not for real, but I am because, shit, I'm aged. I still feel like I'm young and turk. But, shit, I'm an OG, for real. It is what it is. You're somewhere in between joint and an unk. I don't know if y'all say joint. The OG of this drill shit for sure, too.

No, I definitely want to. But, you know, that's another conversation. Now, we ain't unc in them gaddy chair. You know how to do you. But if you make it to 30 in the rack. You basically are, right? For sure. You make it pass a dove.

You are Gnogneau. Hey, already. For real. Congratulations, aunt. For a girl. Yeah, let me. No about. How old are you hanging on a black?

Black Gate. Oh, shit, all my cousins, you know from down there, man. That's how my cut, Dusko, no man, they from Black Gate. I slide down down, shit. I was always down all my life, shit. Falk with them, I'm just, I popped through that bitch, pop out of that side. I'm out of the Cud. No, they black gate crazy.

You know, Benzo? Yeah, I know Benzo. That's my boy. I know all of them. Benzzo, I'm trying to get you up here. That's the hood, for real. That's 55th, shit. We're 59.

We're having the SD, man. That's my boy He talked to him Now I ain't hot that SD in a minute That's my dog though Let me get the date That's a book I interviewed him

I don't know who was this Who SD? Yeah I remember that That was like a year- March of 22 That was two years ago It feels like five years ago

And one year ago It feels like just The whole last few years It's been a real blur Yeah I got to get SD back up Yeah how's he doing So Why did you keep them

I don't know what happened with that shit, man. Bro, we don't discuss that shit. I don't know. Where the fucking on Chopper? Where the fuck is Chopin? Shit. On the guys, I don't know. I think his ass.

Crazy on something. What the fuck is it is? I don't know. Last time I seen Chopper he was going live and shit. I thought the Uber shot up. Got the Uber shot up. On the guys. Poor fucking driver, man.

I don't know. That was my dog, though, yeah. Yeah, he went to 21 Savage and the Hover the Tim. I did a lot of work with CHOP growing up. Some of my early shit, I've been locked in with CHOP. Johnny Mae Cash, IP Johnny Mae. That's his brother. Yeah.

It's my boy. So early on, like, how you get in tune with CHOP through Sosa? Who was the first? Nah, no. Who was Rock on CHOP first? E-D. I threw CHAT through E-Dade. They had a whole little project.

Yeah, we used to record at his career. I actually met another. One of the artists I was fucking with Mike Nose over there. I was just fucking with all of them over there. At Chop Crill, we used to record over there. So shit. If we was over there, that's another one of the spots. We used to be at my shit,

chop shit, young famous from the block. He used to record two. There was only a couple spots, niggas can record that. And we, you know, that was one of those. Well, what about Cap? Cat 412. That's my brother.

Sure. Yeah, for sure. What about him? No, what about him? No, he's not. He ain't lied, though. You all right. Yeah, he's a lot.

Because he'd be rapping too and shit I see him trying to get this shit off I ain't heard matter of fact He did let me ask with that shit But I ain't heard shit from him for real My little brother A little Blas his ass trying to rap too All right a little six is oh bro

His name is Lil Blasters' ass His ass That's a fucking rapper name right there I like that Oh shit hey shout out Blass his ass My little brother real sixes Oh man He's gonna win I don't even care what he sounds like

he's gonna win. Oh, bro. Because if you tell somebody, like, yo, we're gonna see that little blasts. Everybody's gonna be like, what? You gotta ask how he got his name. Doing that. Fucking flock over here.

Federal question, federal statement. And the name is for itself. God knows about. Oh, shit. So what you got playing for the rest of the year? How are you trying to keep this thing going? Shit, I'm gonna do this 45 shit, man, my brother. 45 King.

Some of we're gonna just go for it for. shit I'm gonna just do some shit I ain't do work with a couple artists step out my cause I don't like fuck with artists I always do my own new license coop died you know like a lot of shit changed I used to do music with the block a lot like I don't really fuck with a lot of artists other than niggas who from my hood or my brother right here like we got a whole mix tape 45 for nuss game but other than him I don't like to collab you feel me so this year I'm gonna do a lot of more of that, try to, you know, step outside my box,

collab, and get what the supporters ask, you know? Drive more music, like I said a week. I'm going to go full-fledged, more projects. I got three projects on the way. Vlogs, getting on more platforms like this. I appreciate each of having me in this motherfucker, too. You know, just promote myself because, you know, I just like to do the music.

I ain't going to lie. I don't like show my face a lot. Yeah. Because I'd like be behind the scenes, but I'm, realizing being trying to do what I'm doing being a rapper you gotta be on front why the name four five y'all's our street owner 45 we district hussles so that's you know that's the numerous abbreviation of our shit district hustles entertainment that dh8c 45 and you rapping too yeah i don't think you draw your name tell him my name 45 king sumo you know what's going on you see bro you see me

I mean all the videos bro and I got my own shit going on 45 bro I got my own shit going on 45 bro I I got my own video. I started rapping because of bro. Like, shit, we used to be rapping this shit. Little Spots, under my... I'm talking about, we got a duck to rap, literally. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, in the basement.

Like, I was doing music, but when I met my brother, he turned me on to making music. Like, bro, was full flares with this shit. He made me 4.5. I took this shit serious. Me and bro, Tony, yeah. And, bro, he started rapping because of DA. I started rapping because of bro.

My mom, I've been rapping a long time with, bro. Bro, shot a lot of my videos. Like, shit, I'm full of us with, blowing this shit right now. Yeah. I brought Ben for us with this shit. Like I always been 10,600 with the block. Like, it's me, E-Dade, 600 Breezy, Buka,

Nemo, like, we all, you feel me, 10-600, the block, whoever who rap, young, famous, bezel boys, Jay Hood, my boy Hoodo, you feel, me? My boy Rio, he used to be rapping. They had Bezle Boys. There was a couple, a lot of artists from our hood. But I always had my own little shit, too.

outside the block i always said district hustlers like i day was a part of that at one point like i said go watch the what-up video he's saying 45 that's my shit bro help me get my shit off the ground like you feel me then he just started doing his own shit like i'm just be eday respect he still helped me get my shit off the ground it's full fliers 10 years later my brother still with me he's been with me since beginning too you go look 45 king sumo been in all my videos you feel me like for real. So I'm doing my 45 shit, full flash, this shit. I'm just trying to, you know.

Slay, look, I ain't allowed my bro. I'm on his ass. He got more music there. All these artists, I bet the house on a little, bro. Niggas know what's going on, because if you know, you know, Azda, been around for a lot of niggas. And he didn't touch hands with down there.

A lot of rappers, it just, he had a point of time he was so young. That shit just came so early. He didn't work with tink, treesy. You name them shit. A little dirt. Cheekeefe It's done

Everybody Hey, motherfucker He can record And shoot your video Most of genius Let me ask you this then What's your first song From Ed's dot

Like if a nigga ain't never heard What would you tell him Go stream right now? This shit so crazy though Because it's like shit I give them two or three To go check out though I'm hearing the new shit

It's like bro Like bro like Bro so much of jeans with this shit Like we so Like bro, boy artists Like he's stade in the studio, so I'm hearing so much music right now. It's hard to give you that. I'm like

give you something that I'm supposed to give you. Like, and I'm being real with you. It's like brojazz. Like, oh, bro. All right. So if it's three, I have to give him that's out right now. Yeah. All right. I get him murder. Go check out murder. All right. Go get him to check out that shit with mellow bucks right now, man.

That R&D, that shit going crazy. Right now, he just dropped it. And you got to search my name. As period, DOT. Right. Period. D.O.T. because it's another S-DOT from New York. From New York, yeah.

Yeah, so both of my shit been popping up when you search my name. You gotta search my shit, right. Right, it's a guy named. Esdot go. He's going crazy, but this is my bro, he was the first Esd. I'm the real Esdot, I know. The first Esdot, you know?

I was what it is? I looked at the schedule, and I was like, what the fuck? Because I know S.D. Go is in jail, and, like, I'm like, the full. But I respect to him, though. No, you understand.

Yeah, yeah. He's all the sweepers, free them all. On two of them out. Third song should be like, like, Like shit, I'm again like shit You know I don't know It's called

It's called shit I'm ready He just dropped that with DJ Miel ticket So you gotta put As period DOT When you search my shit Facts

For sure Like he got it from you Because a lot of people For sure For sure A lot of New York people Got their name from us For Chicago right

Yeah for sure How do you spell Blasters ass I'm gonna go You wanna go to take a little I already tried to search for I That's all one word.

It goes right to the Vaughn song when you search it right now. I'm going to put you in tune. Yeah, I just need the right spelling. I didn't try searching it all as one word. Blasses, that's. All right. Before we get up out of here, though, I like asking everybody from Chicago. What's the Chicago, Mount Rushmore for you, drill Mount Rushmore, like, who you put on there for faces?

Besides yourself, could you want to know. I was going to say me. for sure. I'm first. Shit, we're going to put my boy, we're going to put my boy coop up, though. Shit, we're going to put Vine up, though. We're going to put, being a hundred, we're going to put King Louis up, though. We're going to put, give me two more, brother. So, and dirt.

Yeah, for sure. So what I made a little wave, too. I got us done, too. Herbo. We're going to ask some. She's a jersey for the female. She opened that door. Phone on.

Flat Asian, all the Queen of Drill. Hell no. So I'm out of my little bucks. She's keeping it up right now. Bro, real drill sound. My little box right now. Shout a Blazian, doll. My little home girl.

Blazian, I'll fuck a Blasian. That's my friend. Yeah. We're nonpartisan. He's a John Wick agent, so he can't. agree to that. It's how good, good music, good music. Like I said, I don't get into that, man.

For sure. For sure. All right, well, everybody tap in, turn my man up on all streaming services. We appreciate the interview. It's a good history lesson, and I know there's big things to come. For sure, man. I appreciate y'all at me, for sure, buddy. Got something out right now, don't you?

Yeah, hey, go stream that new shit, man. I got shit out right now. It's die live from the catcher. Me and DJ Meal Ticket. Six, someone's on. away. I am him on the way, man, for real. Tap in. Bro, shout out Chaser Doe. For sure. Shout out all my producers. Chases, though. Shout out D.L. Vizum, shout out out Chases. Shout out the game.

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