No Jumper - Self Provoked on Graffiting & Rapping, Surge in Latino & Chicano Rappers, Kanye's Persecution & More

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Self Provoked talks about his early days, early success, Myspace days, the LA underground scene, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Self Provoked dropped his first song on MySpace at 16 5:39 The differences between Sun Valley and other places in the Valley 8:50 Self and Lush speak on the Basement and doing freestyle battles there 11:25 Self on getting in trouble as a kid and getting his house raided when he was 17 17:19 Working with Bizzy Bone by shouting out Bone Thugs-N-Harmony on a song 20:42 Self on how he developed his distinct rap voice 21:59 Self talks the attention he was getting from on MySpace and at what point he felt like he should make an actual album 23:41 Forming his crew and the obstacles that came with bringing together different personalities 27:49 Self on his musical influences and being first introduced to boom-bap rap 29:20 Self on what he thinks made people gravitate toward his music coming up 30:52 Female following and the impact that audience had on his career 34:38 Self on why he thinks the whole crew felt like they should move in their own directions 36:15 Getting away from "boom-bap" and getting backlash from hip hop heads 38:00 Self talks actually rapping at his shows opposed to other artists lip syncing over pre recorded vocals 39:04 Self on not making too much music consistently at the moment and wanting to move toward being an A&R and managing 42:04 Lush says he's looking for the West Coast Mexican version of Cardi B 44:30 Self on having a very rebellious and unique perspective due to finding out the origins of his faith 50:10 Self on how his pursuit of this type of knowledge made him shy away from being in the spotlight 54:12 Self's take on Ye 59:32 Self gives his recommendations on Mason's authors 1:00:49 Self gives his take on the surge of Latino and Chicano rappers coming up right now out of LA ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's really? You play a Pondola Lus Uno in the building. This is no jumper. And I got with me a seminal L.A. rap legend. I'm just going to say it. I'm going to say it from, I don't want to say new school, but like in between the old school and the current generation. Like MySpace days. The MySpace era. That's when it first sprouted.

Yep. Right. Self-provoked. Word, word. The 818's own. What's good with you, Maine? Man, I'm chilling right here getting used to the interview life because it's been a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You've always been someone that kind of lets the art speak for itself, I find. Yeah, unless I'm drunken on alive. Yeah. So, going back to the mid-2000s, you were like in high school, right? Yeah, I was about, I'll say, 16 years old when I dropped my first. first 15 or 16 when I dropped my first song on my space and are we were you already involved in graffiti at that time yeah yeah okay so describe what's what's the origins in the in the graph world like oh well I grew up just looking up just like a lot of writers like from msk K-O-G like I was in the valley so

versus was my favorite writer back in the day and then from there uh yeah so I started doing it myself starting meeting people in high school or even from middle school because I think even middle school I started writing a little bit. And then yeah, just got a few people together, started a little crew, you know, that till this day is still active and stuff. So yeah, man, it started from there. And then having eyes on me through the graffiti world kind of like was a bridge with the music world. So it kind of helped out during those days. And also when I first came out, it was very rare for an independent artist to have a YouTube music video. And I remember my homie was filming and they were like a little black and white camera and then we dropped and it was like a big deal back in the day it's like oh these how they drop a music video like because only industry artists were dropping or not as many and like i said independent artists were dropping like that and is this like prior to on a high note or is that before on a high note yeah so you were just dropping tracks what was your first like when you're still in high school and you're kind of known for for bombing at this point and your crew's getting some love getting up and all that

Yeah. When you were like, you know, when I grew up, there's a thin line between graffiti and gangbanging. And even if you get into it for catching spots and all that, you know, there's like a turf element that comes into play. Were you affected by that at all? 100%. Some people even call this tag bangers for a little while, you know, because there's beef, certain people happens. Knives get pulled, guns get pulled, like, certain, not say anything happening. But things happen and there's something.

certain consequences. And yeah, and we even got like kind of, we started popping up in radars of people who were strictly gang-banging, you know? Right. And like, and that's, that's something that really happened. Like back in the day, for me and like my homies, it always started as graffiti and just trying to catch spots. And yeah, we might have been, you know, doing our little hustling, selling, you're selling whatever we was doing and boosting and all that. But it was about just getting known, getting fame, catching spots. But then if you're tagging in certain neighbors, neighborhoods that are gang turf, then it becomes a whole other issue. And then you kind of got a band together and the stakes get higher.

Yeah. And then back in the day, that type of shit was still, it's glorified, right? So we felt like, oh, we felt tough. We had like a little ego to us. We caused problems to insurance scenes. So, yeah, it was interesting time. And when, like, during that trajectory, did you realize I want to express myself on the mic and start rapping?

Well, at that age, I was purely ego-driven. So when I started realizing I was getting more attention, making music, than graffiti, I just started focusing on that more. And I kind of integrated the both, too. But what even compelled you to start? When did you realize that you could rap and all that? I would freestyle. I was skateboard, and I would freestyle cipher. And then one homie, a shout out eighth kind, Freddie G.

He pulled up, and he's like, oh, I record. And I blow my music on Myspace. And I'm like, let me hear this. And I heard it. My mind was blowing because I was like, Oh, you record yourself and whatever. So he invited me to his pad. And that's really when it all started.

Now, the valley, you're from, like, what part of the valley are you from? Sun Valley. Sun Valley. 9-1-3-5-2. That's a crazy part of the valley that people don't really know much about. Like, there wasn't really too many examples of rappers that were popping before you out there, like out there. You know what? I got to give homey his flowers, an MC germ.

Okay. There was an artist that was popping before I was, like, popping. And I kind of admired homie at the time, too. He had a song called, What, If I Blow Up, that I feel like a lot of people in my age group would be like, oh, shh. They remember that song here. They'll be like, yo. I think I remember that. Yep.

Yep. You know what? That's how I met Severe. I hell admire Severe at that time frame, too, because he was making music with German. I thought they were both. There were both dope. Still are. But yeah, so, like, that's how I actually met.

Severe, who is a baby Franco now. Right. I know you interviewed them. Of course. One of my close homies. Yeah, great artist. I definitely want to get into all that in the form. But I'm always curious, like, so Sun Valley, that's where, like, circus liquor is at, right?

That's North Hollywood. But that's, like, near the kind of the border. Probably, like, a five-minute drive-up, fine-line. Yeah. Okay. How would you describe Sun Valley as opposed to other parts of the valley? When I moved there, I remember there was a lot of gang activity, a lot of, beef, like, a lot of graffiti, a lot of, uh, uh, it was a little more, maybe, you know how

we have childhood memories and things were crazier at the time. Yeah. I don't know if that's what's going on right here, but I felt like it was a little more active back then. Um, it's still active, don't get me wrong, but it's just kind of like, it's like North Hollywood. It's like, uh, not as active as LA, but it's still got his thing going on. I got its own culture.

And in a sense, you know, it's very also competitive with LA, like the values, like, Valley, L.A. thing. Right. I mean, a lot of people from L.A. have a certain perception of the valley. White girls or like some nice shit. Yeah, yeah. They think that the A1.8 is like, they think of like pornoes.

You know what I mean? Like they think of, they think it's like more privilege. But really the valley, especially like when I grew up in L.A., the valley was crazy. And I wound up, there's two things that really brought me to the valley. Because growing up in L.A., and like I'm from West L.A., you don't really go to the valley.

you're like in high school and stuff like that. There's no real reason to go over the hill like that. But there's two things that brought me over. One was I wound up getting expelled and banned from all of L.A. USDA schools. So the high school I graduated from was in like the Sherman Oaks Van Nuys border. So I wound up going to, and when I was out there, I met a bunch of kids and started functioning. Was it private? It was called Bridges Academy.

And it was, it's basically like it's a charter school. And it was basically like if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, parents care about you enough, they'll try to get you to go there so you can get a high school diploma. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was for, at the time, there's an element of, like, special kids being there. Like, you know, kids on the spectrum and things like that, or kids on medication. And then now that school is pretty much all that.

And the crazy thing is where the school is at. It was on Burbank and Sepulveda. It used to be a dentist office, and now it's a dispensary. and the crazy thing was I was like damn like I think it became a dispensary in like 2015 or something and I was like y'all late to this because I was selling weed there 15 years ago like I know exactly what area you're talking about yeah yeah yeah you probably seen that dispensary and all that so yeah I think I know what you're talking about so me being out there that was like I you know I met kids from all over from canoga park from van eyes from Pekoyama and all that so I kind of like became

I mean, I was messing with a girl from Taft. So it's like, I'm all over the place in the, so I'm like, hello homies from Noho and all that. So then it's like the valley was active. It was damn near like more active than a lot of parts of L.A. at that time. Yeah, certain areas for sure. Certain areas. Van Nuys was always active. I heard Canoga Park is active.

Canoga Park was crazy Panorama City, Pekoma, Tunga, Tunga, like all that. There's like, yeah, like, no-ho, like every block is a different crew or gang. It was, like, he was insane. But the other thing that brought me over there was the basement and like the base. Oh, shit, yeah. Seminole part of L.A. hip-hop history. Yeah, shout out Nat. Shout out.

Well, I think she was the latest owner. Yeah, I think the dude was named Aaron before her was a guy's name. There was like a couple owners before. Yeah, yeah. That's what I saw. There's a lot of history in that shit. Yeah. Yeah, like, and I mean, not only were there rap battles there and hip-hop shows, but they were, you could buy a streaker.

and cans and all that you feel me, Montana's. I was a spot. I used to freestyle battle there. I wouldn't even have said that because they're so cringing. Anyways, so yeah, I used to do a lot of things out there. I don't care. I was young as fuck. I fucking, no, used to freestyle battle. Yeah,

I remember the battles. Disaster actually judged one once and I remember I felt. The Malathian joint. Yeah, yeah, but there was another clip. I remember when I was little, I held to heart because I remember like he judged it and he was like, he, like, was giving me props because I did good on that round, rarely. I rarely did good at the time.

But, yeah, and I remember he was like, yo, I like you kid. I remember I was like, oh, I was like, what I was saying? What did you feel like, I always ask people from the Valley this, like interviewing Hobson, interviewing Franco and all these different people,

I always ask, what do you feel is like the biggest difference between the Valle and L.A.? Damn, man, you know what? I can't really, now that I kind of, dwelt in both areas I can't say there's too much of a difference bro like if anything they all get along

I have my crew we got LA cats we got some IE cats Valley cats and when we get in one place we're all like tag your grapher's hip hop pets so we all kind of like just mixing so I might just kind of be based on that perspective not too much of a difference but there is a for sure a barrier with the ego like I'm saying that you're from LA you're not from LA

you're from the valley like these right but besides that no man I feel like there's not too much of a difference Yeah, no, 1,000% like me, I live in Van Nuys right now. And to me, Van Nuys reminds me of, like, West L.A. in the 90s. Like, before it got super gentrified and most of, like, the, like, Chicano, Latino families were pushed out and something. Still has that culture way more prevalent and things like that. Like, I mean, my next-door neighbors have a bunch of roosters and all that.

So, yeah, yeah. No, for sure. There's those areas in the valley, for sure. Like, some valley, if you go by, like, uh, uh, uh, the Garmo and, like, certain areas by, but yeah, it got its areas. The roosters. You feel me? Yeah, for sure, for sure.

And I'm, like, right off a major street. I'm, like, two blocks off a major street. And still, it's like, but it's dope. I like that a lot. So, like, growing up, obviously, you was involved in, like, the crew tag-banging type life. Did you get in a lot of trouble, or were you, you seem like a smart, I know you're an incredibly smart dude.

Like, were you getting in trouble a lot, or what was that like? Yeah, I've got my pad rated by Burbank PD. I got my pad rated by PD A police department When I was 17 I got a lot of fights of course Comes with it Yeah bro I was kind of

I was doing billboards I was fucking like I remember getting stuck on billboards Because fucking cops pulled over to get tacos At taco stands And I'm laying on a billboard like for 30 minutes Waiting for this for the finish eating So I definitely have my stories

I got a vault of them for show Did you So I mean Are you able to to talk about the police rating thing? Yeah, I just kind of rephrase that. I didn't want to emphasize on Burbank PD but yeah, I said it.

I mean, it's already, it's like way past what happened. Like I'm, I think that's, it sounds like an interesting story. Yeah, they raided my pad. I was at a party and then we got into it, me and two homies got into it with like five, six people, whatever. My homie gets cracked in the head with a skateboard.

I thought this fool was like fucking dead because he was like fucking bleeding or whatever. So I just like stay with them. The cops pull up. They arrest us. They put me in the back of the whip. They take my phone with me. They never gave my phone back after that whole altercation.

They just took me and whatever. They didn't give me my phone back. So I guess while they had it, they were looking through my shit. And I had like the Verizon T phone or whatever. Right. Yeah. So they saw my pictures and shit. They're like, yo.

Yeah, they just raided my pad. So on vandalism, basically. Yeah, they were trying to charge me for L.A. property, Burbank City property and L.A. property. So, like, they were trying to fuck me. You know? Right. Yeah.

And Burbank don't play. That's why I didn't even want to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they remember, like, it's weird. Like, they, yeah. I shout out Burbank. I love Burbank, Burbank, PD. Shout out to y'all.

Y'all, y'all. I learned my lesson and shit, you know. Yeah. Well, not really, actually. Bro, my, I fuck it out. Come on. You are no jumper. After that shit happened, they got my pack guard rated and shit, right?

My fucking, I was living with my parents. I was like, yeah, 16 or 17, 17, I think. The next day, I sneak out my pad. My parents were like, yo, fuck dad. They had ADT systems to try to keep me in the house, not from keep burgers out, whatever. Right.

I end up sneaking out because I would disable it or whatever. I would sneak out and then I ended up getting stranded because three of the homies I went painting with got caught. And I was like, I got away and I hopped into a backyard, whatever. And this is before all the homies. I was in high school. This is before all the homies had a cars and shit, you know? So who would I call?

Like, I was like, yo, I'm stranded. No one's picking up. I call my mom. moms at like fucking 3.30 in the morning, like, hey, I'm stranded right here on Zelza by the fucking 1-18, I think, right? Yeah, 118 freeway. And then, um, my parents were like fed up. They like didn't know what to do no more because I said, yo, the pad got rated yesterday, dick, and you're right here fucking hot. The next day? Literally next day. Like, I'm not even like, not two days, not three days, like the next day. You know, so they're like, yo, like,

you're supposed to be in the house. Why aren't you in your room? Like, yeah. I was bad. And like, to the point where my parents started asking like, like, school systems for help. You know, they were like, yo, like, they thought they couldn't do it by themselves no more. She said, so I was hella fucking, like, dude, I went to court. I remember my mom crying because they were trying to, like, give me options, like, probation house, whatever. And then pretty much, I was in the court pretty much saying, like, yo, like, I'm down to go to duty, like, to get it over with quick.

Right. But my intention, my mom knew what I was, I was trying to go recruit in there or meet people in there. Like, I was just stupid ambitious. You were like, so you were really trying to push the line. Oh, yeah, bro, like I told you, like, when I was super, uh, I have a, how do I say, obsessive personality, when I really, um, I'm, I'm, onto something or like something, research something, whatever.

I'm just fully there, you feel me? So that's how I was in that stage of my life. This fool was trying to go to Juvie to recruit, not for a gang. For a fucking writing crew, but... I think about it sometimes, and I laugh, though. Like, the homies, like, I've been kicking in with the homies more lately and shit.

And they always bring up memories. Like, today, actually, I had a shout-out-ed-boy gover. He reminded me when me and him chase some guy out of a yard once. And it's funny because we kind of got into like a little situation, let's say, like a couple days ago. Everything squash is cool now, but it was funny because it was those same guys from back in the day. Wow.

His little brother that's in, I don't know, it was like weird. It just comes around, though. Full circle. Yeah, but it was hilarious. How would you describe your graph style? Now compared to my homies, whack. My homies are so dope, bro, and I'm just like, yo, y'all, like, I was more of a bomber, like, all right, throw up.

I have my style, too, don't get me wrong. And I think it's dope, but compared to all the other homies and what they doing bro like no they smoke me i mean you're talking about billboards so you're just trying to like get fame you go over for visibility like i was destructive you feel me yeah my energy was definitely more on a destructive uh outlet i mean that's how when i used to when i used to get up that's what it was it was like hand style and all cool but i'm just trying to i want you to see it yeah you feel me i enough can't control to just get my name up you feel me whatever like that's that's it and that was a fun part to me don't get around the painting at a yard it's cool and shit but to me

like i love the fucking when buses were like passing by right on the bus and the bus fucking goes. The bus drivers try to chase you. Right. I used to love getting chased. I used to Jack 40s. I used to fucking, I used to steal candy boxes of, like, hell of candy and, like, go sell it in the same

parking lot of rouse and shit. And I'm like, hi, this is for Polytech. I'm in the baseball team. We're trying to save up money for me. So I would, like, add my little story and shit, make my money and buy my wheat and shit. Like, so I was always getting. Go get her from day one.

And your parents were together growing up? Yeah, yeah. I have very good parents. They set very good examples for me. there, you know, but I always got my attention went elsewhere. Look at you. Now, okay, so you drop your first song on MySpace. Yeah.

Now, I don't believe, I know this wasn't your first song, but there's something I want to ask about. One of your oldest records. Yeah. And I think it's like on your YouTube channel, it's like the first video that's on there. You have a song with Busybone. Oh, yeah. Shout out Busybone.

My favorite rapper ever. So how did that come about? I was doing a show at the Terrence in Pasadena. Okay. And then I have a song where I shot out Bone Thugs in Harmony. And then some two drunk girls, ladies, they're like, oh, you know, I know like Busy Bone, that's my boo, whatever. And I'm just like, oh, word. Say, you want to do a song with them?

I'll do like, what I'm like, down? Fuck yeah, you know? She got my number, whatever. She's like, this, all right, I think a week passed by. I'm selling a sack fucking some weed to somebody in the car. I remember this scenario perfectly. I get a call. and then I'm like hello

like hello yo like his voice right super unique and like he's like yo it's busy he's like what the fuck busy one's like yo you want to do like the collab the song right I'm like fuck yeah he's like all right is this a prank call like yeah I was stripping and he's like yeah all right this is how much I charge

and I was like oh I'm in high school where I'm selling fucking dime sacks and fucking dubs you know I'm like oh bro like I fucking respect you I don't want to always I don't have money like that like I don't have money you know he's like he asked me how much I had and I was like this how much I had which I felt like it was a

ridiculous amount. Like, I have $150. Like I said, it's my favorite rapper, so I'm not going to go too crazy into the details, but he let me have it at a very, very low price. Right. And then, yeah, I took the homie slime, the homie slime. We went to a studio in Recita, and we went to, it was like some rich guy's house. Like, you had a big-ass crib and he had a studio in the back, and we just laid it down.

A busy spot, basically, like, where he was recording it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, I came, and then, yeah, I just dropped it for that. And I was fucking mind-blown that he let it go. Well, I think the whole idea was I wasn't going to get the rest of it. So I paid a certain amount thing. And I said I wasn't going to get it. Nothing was going to happen.

The guy just gave me the track the one I engineered it. Right. And I was like, yo, like I didn't even get the... There's more to the story, actually. I don't remember. So because I didn't even get the full files. You just got like the bounce down. Yeah, but I still paid.

And I remember I got permission from the lady because I was like, I don't have the rest of the money. I don't know if she felt bad. Like, whatever you want with the kind of. You know, some dismissive shit. Right. I was like, fuck, I'm fucking 17 with a fucking busy verse. I'm going to put that shit.

I ain't making money off. So that is one of your first songs, basically. No, no, no, no, no. I think that was 2000. That was probably like when I was recording maybe one year and a half in. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, before I was, man, I can't believe I forgot this shit.

Or I didn't bring it up. Before self-provoked, I was in a, well, I was self-provoked, actually. but I got into a group called Lost Angels. Okay. And then we started doing group stuff for a little while. And then after that, damn, bro, my time, my memory with the time. It's all good. We done did a lot.

Yeah, but it's one of my, I'll say it's probably my 10th song, that Busy Bone Club. That's still pretty early. And you probably got 500 songs now. I wish that same scenario happened later in my career. Right. Because one, I would have done a better verse because fuck, I hate that verse. One. Two, I would have been more savvy.

with it like no i need a fully mix i don't care i'm what you like i'll be more business driven more intentional you know so yeah now something that i it's interesting to hear you say that busy bone is your favorite rapper because he has a really unique high pitch like i don't want you nailed it yeah certain delivery and certain vocal tone that nobody else has and you have a very distinct high pitch vocal tone that where how did you develop that style i mean because like You don't have like a baritone voice, but you don't, like, talk like you rap. You know what I mean? Like, you're able to flip your voice in a way that's really unique and use it as an instrument.

Like, how did you form that style? The homie who helped me with my voice a lot was the homie Xer. Shout to Xer. Because I remember I was in a studio when I first started recording with them with the Lost Angels group. And then he's like, yo, yell, but don't yell. And I'm like, I'm like, the fuck. So I kept trying. I couldn't do it.

You know, like, it took me a while to get it. I got it. And then I was like, to the point where I ran with it too much at a point where I was doing it too. I need to maybe curb my voice now a little, make it, whatever, add a little more bass to it sometimes. It was dope-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You know what I'm saying? Like, you were. But, you know, for sure, I got to give it up to Exeter because Exeter kind of helped me out with finding that voice.

Yeah. Now, okay, so you're putting out, like, after you drop the first MySpace joint, was it instantly like, oh, this dude's dope? And were kids like from your high school and around your area? Like was it kind of spreading instantly or? Yes, because I was rapping a lot about my crew. And then my crew was like, yo, this was rapping about the crew on front. You know, so it was like a little pride thing about who's sharing it, fucking. Nice marketing scheme.

It was an intentional. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But not. So like, yeah. Yeah. So out the gate you're getting love. Yeah, for sure. And that encouraged you to keep pushing.

And then at what point were you like, I need to make an actual album? Because this is still like, people are still buying CDs at this point. You know what I mean? Like, when was it? You're like, okay, I'm going to make a complete project. Apples, Pins, and Lighters was my first one. And that was heavily, or project-wise, I think it was infamese. his name was at the time.

He was the one that was the mind behind the project, the cover, the pictures, the video. He worked with Franco a lot too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So he was the one that kind of like saw me view it in that way. He released, oh, let's drop a project. We have this many songs that's release it as that.

So, like, I would give him credit for helping me drop my first project, Apple Spence. Oh, and he produced, obviously, credit for direction, but also credit for producing. He produced that. He did, like, did we do videos? I think we did, like, two videos for that project. So yeah, shout out Infamese.

Shout out, he goes by 92 now. Okay. Yeah, David Carcamo, fucking, I don't know what he's going by now, but I just want to say his real name. Hell yeah. So at what point during this whole, like, path, did, you know, you have a legendary crew in L.A. hip-hop that was, like, huge in the valley for a long time,

and just on a high note, and, like, you're basically, like, one of the forefathers, if not the creator of that crew, basically, right? And when did that all start? Was that around that same time? I think that was around 2012-ish or something. So that's a little bit later? Yeah, yeah, that was a little later.

So you're already kind of like buzzing by yourself? Yes. Well, all of our homies kind of had something going on. Like Sev, Excer, at last at the time it was, oh, no, and Xer. Right. Wino. Wino, fucking Noski, M4. He goes by Nosa now.

And we've had like, yeah, everybody had this. thing going on and shit so we kind of just i had an idea of bringing up together because there was like a little conflict at the time i was going on and fools are like kind of morphing into their own little corners and shit on some grab shit or on some rap shit some weird fucking ego shit you know including i'm not being sane i was heavily part of that too but um but yeah so i guess i just was like yo i approached severe with it the idea of creating or baby franco now i approached him with severe bobby butcher baby franco all those names so i approached him about starting a crew and then I had an idea of

High Note or something like High Note, right? I remember we were chilling at some at some shop that he had a home grow work guys right there on fucking Laurel Canyon and Burbank or Magnolia or whatever and there was a billboard and it had like

it was like coins, whatever, but it said Anna something, right? And then he's like on a high note or something like that and I'm like on a high note and I'm like whatever and we've heard that shit be said before you know of course. So I'm like, I'm like, fuck it.

We ran with that shit. Shout out my boy, uh, solid. He went by Solid Visions back then. His name's Will. He created like the little logo for me and shit. And then from there, yeah, we just ran with it, got everybody else in and fucking I hit up Xer, told him my idea with the crew what we should do because it was like a whole underground boom bat movement.

We were doing shows. Right. I was throwing shows. I was doing like, I was paying people like fucking $150 to use their backyard for a show. Mm-hmm. Fucking have of the homies rock, fucking code. Get a keg up in there. Like I get a keg up in there

Yeah Yeah fucking We were all under 21 and shit Yeah So I can Yeah it's good time going So like one of the things that I feel like it's very innovative

And really helped On a high note Stand out from other crews And movements at the time Was y'all were really early on And just really advanced With your merch And you had hell of merch

And like for every project And every artist on the On the part of the crew had their own shirts and all that like what what made you like was that just the same hustler mentality that had you selling candy straws outside of ralphs or like yeah i was like that was before i was really making them like money off streaming you feel me like so like i was like yo i need to make money so to me it was like the shows and the merch i was doing self-provoked merch before on a high-note merch so i knew that shit made money um but yeah um yeah at that time i was definitely thinking about you

i need to make some bread because i got attention but i'm still broke. You feel me? I'm young as fuck. I'm just rapping. I remember the first time I got paid was a second street jazz club. You remember that? Legendary spot. Come on. Downtown LA. I got paid like a hundred dollars and I was so proud that night, bro. Yeah. You know what? That might have been the first time I met Wino too. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So you guys were all kind of rapping together before. Well, I heard about the Wino on YouTube. Yeah. And then I reached out to him a send him a message. He had a song called Love for the Birds. That was fucking big. That's just dope-ass song. But I reached out to him. I was like, yo, I fucking

fuck with you, but let's meet up. We met up, told him there, like, joined this crew and shit. He didn't know anybody, so I probably kind of, yeah. And then, yeah, bro, like, little by little, it was just people we kind of knew throughout time, and that's how that crew morphed. And that's around the first time I, I think the first time I became aware of you,

maybe like 2010, 11 around that time. Like, and I get, I want to say it was on a high note error. Maybe so, but I remember there's a clip of you, severe and reverie rapping together like freestyling and I was like who are these kids you feel me like and then I kind of looked into it more I was like damn they got like this whole

you guys kind of created your own scene yeah for sure and like the boom bap was a big thing always like so did you did you grow up around were fools listening to more like mainstream and gangster rap or was like boom bap just everywhere around you what made you gravitate towards that I grew up on bone

cugs, 50 cent. I'm in, like, the basic mainstream shit back in the day, you know? And then in high school, I met some girl, thinking, like, 10th grade, maybe. And she put me on atmosphere, put me on fucking evidence, put me on, well, put me on Rhymstairs. And then from Rhymstairs, I kind of, like, spread out. And then I met Wino. Wino put me on Project Blood. And I was like, who are these motherfuckers rap become completely more, like, different, aggressive, like, their style.

They were chopping, you know? And there was this whole, like, theater. about bone thugs coming to hell, like, which there is a lot of, like, you know, good, good life cafe. Oh, yeah. So they were, like, they would tell me shit about, like, freestyle fellowship, be, like, a lot of the styles, you know, and I'm just like, I, right. Yeah, bro, I went all over the place, you know what I mean? And then, I'm a big R&B baby, too, bro. I put R&B kind of first before hip-hop, as far as what I listen to.

I wish I could sing. If I could sing, I wouldn't be rapping. What do you feel like made you stick out? Because there's a lot of, like, boom-bap, the underground scene in it? LA is so saturated, but you kind of like always stuck out. What made people gravitate towards you? And I know that's like a, I know you don't want to be egotistical, but, you know. I could be real, though. I think it was my high-pitched voice. It was different. I had long hair with baggy clothes back in the day. It wasn't too like that much of a thing, you know?

There was P-rodd, obviously, like, but back in the day, like, I used to wear big baggy clothes, long hair. You're the Jinkos? Huh? The Jinko jeans? No. Just like other baggy ass? Oh, the ones that had a crown? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The logo was like a... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro, so I don't know if it was a little bit of that. The graffiti thing helped.

I don't... I don't know, bro. And also, like, I could say I have, like, a certain... Back in the day, I was more wild. You feel me? More entertaining to see as, like, oh, like, this was stealing an Apple and fucking recording it for a music video. This was stealing a 40.

Like, he's tagging in his video. It's almost like viral click. baked content before that was a concept but you're applying it to music videos like yeah yeah and I had a video when I'm walking out of Ralph's with shit in my fucking pants and teet-de-de-te-de-te-starts beeping and shit and back in the day it was a big

deal it's before like now we got like fucking weird people doing weird shit all the time you know like so back then it was kind of like oh he still a fucking or what they didn't even know what the fuck I stole I think it was just an apple and that shit right because of a sticker but yeah is um also like do you feel like

girls liking you a lot because You have like a, for an underground rapper, I don't even know if you still classify yourself as that, but you have like a pretty big female fan base. Like self-provoked, like when self-provoked goes live on Instagram, you see a lot of girls popping up hard eye emojis and all that. Do you feel like that was a part of your success as well? Because a lot of these rappers be kind of dusty-ass ugly motherfuckers? Honestly, maybe at that time I was, you know, at that time, maybe. Like, oh, fucking cute little wild kid with long hair running around. Like, yeah, maybe, yeah, for sure.

I know you hate that about yourself, too. And then I made songs also that girls like some, like, hopeless romantic shit, you know? So they would, like, listen to that. So I'm sure that helped their, like, idealize my image in their head. But yeah, fucking maybe that helped a little bit. You know, like, what was crazy at the time, and a lot of people would always talk about, like, in the underground world. I know it's weird to bring up, but I just got to do it.

Like, she's the home girl, too. You and Rev used to be like a couple and stuff, right? Oh yeah. You and Revery and stuff. For a long time, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Shouts to Rev, you know, I love Rev. She's an amazing artist, amazing person.

Yeah. And like, was that kind of weird? You guys were both kind of blowing up around the same time and you're like a couple. At the time, I would lie to myself and say no. Now that I look at it? Oh, yeah. Just because we both are going towards the same goals. It's a weird role.

two entertainers, two things. Now I'm thinking about it. And y'all are both super driven people. Yeah, yeah. I found her when I was, I got with her when I was 18, so when I was young, so I was still, she helped, if anything, I gave a lot of props to her for helping me see things in them.

Because she was mature as hell, like, even for her age when I met her. So, like, she was putting me on shit at that time, too. Like, yeah, I always show love. Like, my first, my only year-up tours are with her, two of them. Wow. And she took me on her tour. So, you know, so, like, the love for that girl was, fucking, yeah.

And y'all, just no matter what happened, y'all still stayed cool throughout the, you know what I'm saying? We had her little, you know, like she wasn't fucking me for a minute, you know, understandably. But now, yeah, we squashed it, we chopped it up, everything's cool. That's dope, that's dope. And around what time, was it before, after on a high note when you and, because you have like a lot of videos that are in the millions of views. Like one of them, and one of the first ones that I really peeped was you and Severe, stay true. And to this day, I feel like that song is ill because it's like if anyone hasn't heard that that's a dope record because you really are talking about no matter what happens, no matter how much

success you get, like you got to keep it real to your origins essentially and be real to yourself. Yeah, stay grounded. Yeah, for sure. Stay grounded and stuff. Like was that around that same time or like when did we drop that song? I know he re-uploaded it. It reached a million or something. Yeah, yeah. he re-uploaded, he reached a million again. Yeah, people like that song. I think it's over too now. Oh, shit. No, hell yeah.

Damn, bro. Honestly, I'm... That was after Ana Hinoe started, right? Yeah, yeah, that was when it first started. Actually, yeah, that's when it first started. Because the guy who filmed that video was the guy that created the On a Hino logo. Shout out Will, Will. Solid Visions.

I don't know what he's going by right now, but Will Darrow Tour there. So it's crazy because you started like, there's a lot of... a lot of people from that scene and on particularly from you know like on a high note directly that y'all all kind of blew up in different ways I mean

Ono is huge right now you feel me first Mexican artist on Def Jam like going crazy I actually hosted a show for him that he headlined recently on Halloween and it was dope to see him I'm like bro you're like a whole ass superstar now you feel me I hadn't seen him for a long ass time and like you know all the like the Wino

had a bunch of big records you feel me uh severe did his thing everybody exer like the whole crew linooski and you like you really like popped off too is that kind of crazy to see like did y'all did y'all at a certain point was it like we just gonna go on our own directions or so me and all the homies we're like fucking we love each other we're in we but we're fucking hard-headed bro and we know we all want to do it our way we all know we want to do it in our time you know so it was always very hard to kind I get the whole crew and to do like we I think we have like a total probably like six tracks together but that's it yeah because it's you mean as like a whole collective yeah but um yeah it's always

been known like hey we got our own thing going on we're gonna put our focus there but we're a family and whenever every here and there like we linked up like three months ago to lay down a record you know and it'll be like there's a lot of records where it's like you know there's that one with the um why no and exer that was super cracking like revival yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep there's like I said there's stay true you and sev so and there's like a bunch of like little collapse between the group and like yeah for sure and yeah and I feel like the crew even had like little webs within the crew that you know people who would yeah hell yeah and um at a certain point

I want to say maybe like 2016 you started to evolve past the boombap stage of your music flavors yeah you feel me like right around that time and you're just experimenting with different styles you still are like you never stopped being lyrical you never i feel like we're trying to like sell out or anything like that but it was just like you're playing with different sounds and things like did you feel like when you did that you got any backlash from like the hardcore hip hop fans yeah actually made a skit too about it i just took it off my youtube actually but yeah 100% everybody was like oh you're selling now oh you're trying to sound like everybody else.

At that time, I think it was like that SoundCloud scene that was kind of popping. And I was fucking with a lot of that shit. Because it reminded me all the shit I like to, like, three, six mafia or shit like that. But I definitely did get a little backlash. But it did good. That time, then that project, did good. A lot of people still to this day, like, you need to draw something like flavors and shit. I'm like maybe one day once I get that energy.

Do you feel like just like the template of underground hip hop becomes somewhat limiting at a certain point? Like the boom bat? Yeah. For sure. Yeah, for sure. And it's like you just felt like creatively you needed to do something else? Yeah, yeah, to kind of bring excitement back.

And then I was kind of helped by my homie too thought the same. And he was making some dope shit and that type of like, you know, and I, yeah, it all kind of made sense at the time. And then tick, tick, to be honest, like, I want to make another song like that. That song is fire, like, fire. That's like more like harder. You feel like me? Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going at him.

Now, something that I feel like is dope about you also, you coming from the school of emceeing, you know, like actually rocking shows. And a lot of artists nowadays, they're rapping over their pre-recorded vocals for the whole song, not just for hooks, you know what I mean? Like, basically they're just like jumping around on stage and lip-sinking. And it's like cool, like a lot of those shows have an incredible energy.

But like, you always, like, kind of stood firm on the, actually rapping during your shows like it makes sense for the style that i do you know like um i like i get why some people do it because like it's like super heavy the type of music they're making it's like i just yeah i've always i've always liked like actual vocals like i respect the fuck out of a rapper when i see him on stage and he's like just straight on like the mic no ad lives no nothing like just straight on the mic and it's who's killing it like who was when i did the verses um fucking um locks uh locks in a dip set yeah And you could tell when fucking, why am I drawing a blank on his fucking.

Jayda kiss. Yeah. When he grabbed the mic and he's rapping raw, like, bro, that shit stands out. It's different. Yeah. It's real, real different. Yeah. And do you feel like at a certain point, because you said you're like a big R&B fan too.

Do you feel like you're going in that direction ever? No, honestly, I'm kind of not making that much music consistent. I'm dropping like, I'm dropping like two tracks a year, you know, with a video or something. Like, right now I'm trying to put my foot, understand the, I appreciate the business of it, that business aspect of it. I understand like the behind the scenes. I don't like to show faces much no more. I've realized that.

I want to get into like the managing and R side of things, you feel me? Like I've made so many connections throughout my careers. I know so many people that are in the music in music realms that I know I couldn't collab with, but I know artists I could plug them up. Like if I was to get an artist and I know I could use certain resources that I'd never use, certain outlets, certain relationships, you know, so that's my transitioning. So my transition is kind of stepping away from making so much music. I still am, in the like, for fun expressing myself.

You're going from little Wayne to Birdman. Shit, if all goes well. But, um. All tree y'all. No, you know, I just, I love the managing aspect or I've been picking a lot of brains of people who manage and R and stuff like that. I'm not like, what do you do? What do you look for?

Like, if you were going to find an artist, what would be like, what are you looking to, what type of artists are you looking to put on? Well, there's two approaches, right? We could do whatever is working right now, which seems to be the formula. So I'm never against or opposed to doing that, working the angles, those angles. Also, something unique, you know, something different, something not so, like, obvious, something that can still be integrated with whatever is out there, but still has its own, like, essence. Like, if I find something like that. Like to me, if I find somebody with a really weird voice, but they're talented and they know how, and maybe they need a up on, if they're open to up in your style or up in their approach to image,

you know, proposing something, a formula to somebody. And because I never want to be the guy to be like, oh, I see your vision. We got to change it, though, you know. It got to be like, at least how I see is, like, I'd rather take criticism on amplifying what I already got from somebody that's going to approach me in that manner. So I feel like, I don't know, you know, I'm just. I'm just thinking out though. I feel like there's a lot of, that was kind of interesting.

You mentioned the voice thing, and it's come up a few times. And like, there's a lot of people that have requested the self-provoked interview. Like, I've got hit up several times. Like,

you should interview self-for-folks. And I like, especially once they saw me, interview Baby Franco and Reverie, and they're like, oh, what's up with self-provoked? And like, I'm like, yeah, that's the homie,

which I was already thinking I wanted to do it regardless. Duno was going to actually sit down with me today and interview you, but he wound up having something else to do. Like, he fucks featuring me. music as well.

And, um, but I know, like, you guys all have really distinct voices. Like you, Seve, like, you know, Samir has you for sure. All you guys, like have really unique voice. It's interesting. And that's what people were saying when they were asking, like, yo, I love his voice. That would be like the number one comments I heard. But, um, it's kind of dope. As far as like an artist to put on, here's like, if, what I'm looking for, if I was going

to be an ANR. And I've been saying this for like four or five years and it's still. hasn't happened and I feel like it would be bigger now than ever especially because let me ask you this what do you feel like every year there's like a trend in hip hop right what do you feel like last year like was the thing that was popping uh last year I feel like we're still kind of on yeah yeah I'm saying my thing what I would say is women rappers you feel me like word you like you know I'm saying glorilla ice spice lotto like all these different chips and they're, you know, like, city girls all talking that really, like, raunchy sexual shit.

Like, there was more, like, girls blowing up last year as MCs than, as rappers, than men by far. Like, that's kind of the thing right now. Girl voices pierce beats very, like, you know, and high-pitched, like, my, like, my, I'm aware of this shit, too. Like, it pierces the beat in a very different manner than a deeper voice, you know? So, I feel like, when I hear a girl rap, that's why it's hell it's strong, you feel I mean? For sure. it cuts through the, and that's why even like Eminem had that like nasally voice to first. I would cut through the mix.

Like me, it was always difficult because I like have a deeper voice and it's like the same frequency as a snare. So it's difficult to mix around a snare. But if you have that high voice, you're sitting right on top of the mix. But like so my idea and what I've been looking for and you as an A&R, maybe you could, you know, aspiring A&R, maybe you can make this happen. I want to find L.A. West Coast version of Cardi B. And I feel like it would be the, but like Chicana, like a Mexican girl, like from a hood, tat it up Chola, rapping like real raunchy, like, but like banged out too. That's like dope with it with bars, you feel on me?

Like Cardi B from L.A., Mexican banged out with bars. Like not like Dominican or Puerto Rican and shit, but like Mexican, you feel like me like. I feel you. Wouldn't that be crazy or even Salvadorian? Like that would be super hard, I feel like. No, that would. I see where you're going with that. I see it.

Like if Snow the product was from LA and more banged out and had like face tats. I think that would be crazy. I want to, if you're out there, don't even holler at me. Holler itself provoked. He going to get you right. We'll line it up. Something about you that I've always found interesting. You like have really unique perspectives on things like politics, like you read a lot.

You think for yourself, you're very outside the box. Like, were you always kind of like that? It feels like you have a very rebellious perspective. Yes, I would always, well, I got, how do I say this? My veil got peeled back when, or a little bit to a degree when I was probably 15, 16. Just I kind of started figuring out like the origins of my religions and stuff like that how they came to be, how they became popular, who do, and I was kind of like, oh, shit, you know, and that shit, you know, yeah, I just got, I'm just curious with that shit, bro.

I'm just like, you know, like I said, I'm obsessive, so when I start kind of finding something that makes sense, I don't want to figure this out a little bit or get some insight on it as much as I can and I'll go down that rabbit hole. But for sure, I just feel like the masses are completely, like manipulated, obviously, you know, and it's a necessity, like, to a degree, right? But I just feel like there is definitely some, uh, some fuck shit. For sure. And it's not. like people always want to blame politicians government but it's way above that it's way above organizations it's about like family bloodlines and certain like family crests that have been

around and like prominent for so long you know and even like in certain organizations it's just a bunch of stuff you know but interesting prodigy had had a line in the song illuminati want my mind soul and my body secret society trying to keep the eye on me yeah is that kind of like what you're talking about um well we could go so many places with just those lines but But yeah, 100%, like, and I'm not against the, like, people hate Freemasons. I don't hate Freemasons. No, I'm sure there's some corrupt ones and things like that. I'm not against Freemasonry.

I actually admire and respect what they do. I admire, like, a lot of their history. I admire a lot of people that people would consider, like, how do I say, controversial figures and stuff like that. But I just feel like every person is like an expression of God in their own sense and their cornerstones to whatever their life is about. And they're applying their cornerstones to things on a societal manner, if that's what their intent is. And with that being said, is like, I can't really knock anybody with ideologies that I'm not in their plans for. Or I'm not on their good side for it. But I appreciate everything in Phala.

So do you kind of believe that it's like a dog-eat-dog world? And if you're not, if you're not the hunter, you're the hunted, so it's better to stay with the gun, metaphorically speaking? It's good to be aware. So, yeah, it's good not to let somebody's manipulation is only a weapon if you're unaware of. Right. So like to me it's like I want to disarm as many people to have certain weaponry aimed towards me. You know, so like I rather understand like what they want with their outlooks. Like there's there's philosophy there's like there's like there's like there's philosophies out there's like like or outlooks on life we call like accelerations like nerd people in Silicon Valley that believe we need to integrate humanity with and this is so open like they talk about this shit very open like you know how Elon Musk is doing the neurolink thing like kind of step in. But and that's essentially like you basically like get an iPhone implanted in your head and like. Like, not that deep yet, but. But essentially. Yeah, we're kind of gateway, gate, yeah, we're going through some interesting times.

Running the whole, I feel like there's a lot of intentional confusion they're trying to put on young kids right now, you know, with things that they need to figure out on their own when they grow up, but they're kind of pushing this agenda and this property, putting it in little kid shows, putting in little kid books. TikTok. The TikTok algorithm is, I'm sure you're aware of this because a lot of people, everyone knows this. but like the algorithm is completely different than here than China. Right. Over there, you go to China and you ask a little kid what they want to be. They're telling you they want to be like... An engineer.

Some crazy shit right. Over here, you ask a fucking dumbass little kid what they want to be. And they're like, oh, TikTok, girl. I want to be a YouTuber. And it's like, fuck, we're fuck, you know? Yeah. I feel like a lot of a... Yeah.

And then a lot of people don't even... Aren't on current affairs. Like bricks. Like, there's this currency. They know, Brazil, Russia, India, China, and fucking, not Saudi Arabia. even though they just joined. United Arab Emirates? I forgot.

But they're creating a currency. Like a, that's going to knock. Like the euro. Yeah, but it's a global alliance. And this alliance occupies 52% of global population. So it's going to throw the dollar out. But what I'm saying is like important things aren't being reported on mainstream. Right.

And stuff like that. Like if you search up breaks on Google, I'm sure you'll find something. And that's kind of crazy too. Like you said, these are countries in several different continents and different sectors. And they're very popular. countries. Like you said China, India. South Africa was the last... South Africa. Like, yeah, these are...

Yeah, they're big countries. Argentina just... Argentina just joined... Already announced that they plan on joining. Aren't you Argentina? That's your people right there. Congrats on the World Cup. Oh, well. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Messy, man. That's right.

But... And it gets messy, apparently, with all this stuff going on. Like... Yeah. But I'm enjoying the show, man. Like I said, I have no... I don't cling onto what's right or wrong. You know, I feel Like that kind of depends what side of the coin you're on. So, like, I'm just enjoying the show and just trying to be aware. So I could, like, I've got to do something with my dollars in my stacks and I got to do something with them, you know?

Fucking, they're buying all their gold back from the States because everybody's saying we're not backing. We don't have everything we're giving to Ukraine. We can't back up. You feel me? So all these countries are already aware that we don't got to fucking that much money we're putting up. Well, and the gold standards is supposed to be what sets currency and all that. But that's why we have inflation because we're printing more money than we actually have. Yeah, for sure, man.

Do you feel like your pursuits of this type of knowledge kind of derailed your desire for like being in the spotlight and being a rapper? 100%. Yeah, that's why I don't want to be here. And I'm saying some people have that energy and I'm telling you that's dope. Pursuit that shit. Don't ever let what I say knock anybody's like. But for me it's like I don't want to be the product. I don't want to have to like, hey, what's up guys? I'm right here. Hey, what's up? okay today we have a show like I don't want to like have to be on tour doing 50 like you know while someone's getting paid at home when they're with their family and they're getting like

I just don't and the tour might be fun for somebody you know but for me I rather stay at the pad and do some shit that is super introverted and isn't fun to other people so it's just a personal like outlook I just I'm not that guy no more do you still go out a lot or like not really rarely rarely no if I go out I'll go out with like a shorthy or something or I'll go out with like meet up with the homies and be there for like an hour or two and then you just go to do my thing and I like to plot my week I like to plan like to do weird shit real I like I'm very big on like occult philosophies and a cool stuff too like to do my like occult disciplines my fasting my meditations my ritual work or shit um weird shit that people would consider demonic because

they don't understand it they like to judge it you know but that's like I mean at a certain point like you said earlier you kind of did research into religion and like it kind of made you realize the way you grew up wasn't like there yeah yeah for sure like I was scared when I first started getting into like alternative or other philosophies or dogmas religions whatever um my subconscious mind wasn't with it like I would get anxious or I'd get nervous reading this shit because I'm like yo am I fucking gonna go to hell because I was I grew up in a hell of like fucking I went to church on Sundays like into like middle school and shit. it. So I hella, and I

always had a connection with what we call like God or higher, whatever you want. Spirituality. Yeah, like I always would have conversations like that. So I was always tight as a youngster. So I feel like I felt, I was being rebellious towards those past beliefs when I was getting into new shit.

It's very interesting. It's very interesting to see like this development, because so many people if they got to a level of success and notoriety in music as you, they would want to lean into that so much and be like, yo, I'm a, I'm a rap star and look at me, I'm blowing up. But you kind of got like a little dose of that and you kind of were like,

yo, I don't like what I have to do to sustain this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, yeah, I didn't like, I don't want to, yeah, different lifestyle, lifestyle adaptions. I wanted to kind of step out with that. So did that kind of make you lean more into the graph again? Because it's like, okay, I could still be like artistic? No, I kind of, now the graph I kind of took a step back for, like,

don't get me wrong, I'm still, like, involved with my, my homies and stuff. but as far as going out in painting, I don't do that no more. I'm kind of like, that was my destructive expressions. I feel like I'm trying to construct right now. So I'm like, right now I'm working on like, I don't know if you know,

you ain't hard food, shout out you and hard food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the homies right there. Shasta you ain't hard fool. Man, you might not be hard, but they're the hardest account on the damn Instagram. I'm rocked with them fools.

We're working on something actually together. We're going to start a little something. And then so I'm doing that. I'm in the cannabis world heavy as well. And like I said, the management thing I'm trying to plant some seeds there Get into that And yeah

And keep doing what I enjoy, man That's awesome It's kind of interesting Like we were talking about People that you've worked with Over the years That kind of found different levels of success Like y'all were kind of in the mix

But for it at one point too, huh? Yeah Yeah Is it kind of crazy to see like the whole Path that he went on and stuff Um crazy nah nah nah

I feel like he was doing what he knew would work you know like emotional shit yeah yeah yeah it's a different lane but you feel on me yeah

now as far as like okay a lot of the things we are just discussing it's kind of along the lines of certain shit that Kanye's been talking about recently I feel like

do you feel like do you feel like do you feel like yay's been kind of wrongly persecuted do you support some of his ideology or how do you feel about that? He says a lot of truth, for sure.

Like, in a very generalized manner. Like, you know, it's not, how do I say this? There's degrees to truth and everything, and some of the shit he's talking about has very high degrees of truth. But then again, to me, it's kind of hating, though, because this is like, yeah, certain foods have a certain way and they figured out they got a certain system, you feel me?

You can't hate the, like, it's like a business structure. It's like, oh, you got to crack it. And it's hard to crack, they got it established, but it's like to me I'd be hating. And obviously like I said, I don't like to write or wrong too much. So that's why like I don't want to judge it. But there definitely is a lot of truth of what homie's saying. And he says more than just what the headlines are saying.

He also brought up to Vatican, Rome, you know. Those are interesting topics. And if you look into who created CIA and FBI, people that belong to Knights of Malta, Knights of Malta is under the Vatican. So there are certain things that. that if you extrapolate, like, there's, you know, and I don't want to fucking go on, on his down a rabbit.

No, but it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's interesting stuff. It is definitely interesting stuff. And it is, there is a lot of truth. Like I said, he's wild and people he's hanging out with is very polarized. And, like, there is like, but even those people that are polarized, they have their truths too. And if you listen to them talk, listen to both sides talk or listen to everybody talk. That's what I do.

You know, I like to, I know what the mainstream narrative is already. Everybody does. So it's like. Well, do you feel like at this point? the way I look at it is the mainstream narrative there's no more information because we're living in the age of information and there's so much information

whatever whatever echo chamber you kind of put yourself in the midst of that's the information you're going to get and that's what your algorithm is going to dictate and if like if I watch CNN or oppose the Fox that's going to give me two different complete

news sources or if I'm looking on info wars or if I'm looking at you You feel in me. Reinforces what you're already on. Right, right. So that's where like certain, like, yeah, and that's the problem, right? But me, like, to solve the problem is like, all right, what documents are they talking about? Like, okay, where is this?

It's from a government website, CDC. Let me go to the actual CDC and look at the action. So go to the source. Yeah, you know, instead of letting foods tell, like, because I could come and be fucking saying some bullshit, you know, or fucking the news could come be saying some bullshit. And then, like, just because you kick it with me more than you watch news, you're going to believe me, you're like, do your own homework. work but i feel like people are just lazy everybody just wants like their food getting dropped off at the

door which i'm guilty of too fucking uber eats um we just are very lazy and just want to like like when everyone blames everything on freemasons or illuminati or like things like that is like um it's not that black and white and it's not just like these names come from bigger organizations and saying that is just kind of dismissing the bigger picture you know if you blame freemasons for everything it's kind of like all right that's it's like a scapego and everyone just directs their energy there and there's nothing being solved it's like what's the problem? Where did the problem come from? Who created the problem? What culture is why? What culture I don't know you know and to me what Kanye says too one one thing too because a lot of people are on that BLM bullshit

um to me like you can't target racism until what Kanye finally said that I've been saying for years there's certain people that run a certain industry that aren't the people that are the face of right and there's a certain the unseen hand yeah and there's a fucked up message being put out consistently to people like where it doesn't even obviously that culture is contagious it bleeds through and it reads my whole my whole thing is like there's a lot of malicious intent

I feel like with the with this industry that I'm trying to get into I'm not here talking shit but I'm going to try to get into but obviously not in those levels that's like big that's like not A&R that's not manager that's not fucking that shit you don't know about right yeah is it kind of like is it scary because

now you're at a point where, you know, you were living somewhat comfortably off of your music and you were doing well and stuff. Like, now you're kind of moving into a new space where you're transitioning out of it and really kind of have for the past couple years, right? Like you put out, what, two or three videos is 2022? Maybe. One was like a collab, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Probably, yeah. Yeah. That sounds great. And the year before that, about the same, you know what I mean? Like, is it kind of like scary? Like, you're kind of jumping off. No, I have a, I have a good, how do I say this? A good source of income. That's not from music and I'm doing.

So you're financially in a place that where you could. I'm chilling. I could fucking have a vacation. I wouldn't do it because I'm going to lose money in it, but I'm chilling. Right. You can pursue your passion and whatever the next step is. I can read as many books as I want without losing money. That's right.

That's right. You interview without. Now, for people that are interested in a lot of the stuff that you were just talking about, Are there any specific authors or places that you recommend? Well, it depends what. Like, if you want to understand, like, if you want to, okay, people, since I'm talking about Freemasonry a lot, right? Like, if you want to understand more about Freemasonry,

look into Freemason artists, I mean, Freemason artists. Free Mason authors. Manly P. Hall, Albert Pike, even though he gets a bad rep, and I kind of see why. But there's a lot of people out there that if you really want to know, it's a lot of boring digging, but it's still information. Manly P. Hall is a Freemason, if you want to understand a little bit more about that. Israel, Regardi, if you want to understand more about occult stuff that a lot of people call demon, demon shit, or whatever. Or cabalian, I don't know.

So there's so many books. I don't know what topic or whatever. But if someone wants to kind of get an introduction of like a philosophy I'm heavy into, it's called her medicine. which is a very basic philosophy, but there's a book called Caballion, which is very known, K-Y-B-A-L-I-O-N. That's a really good book, too.

I think you're putting a lot of people up on game. You added some creases and some craniums, you feel me? Yeah, it's a cool book. That's very, very dope. Now, the past few years, there's definitely been, like, a huge rise in Latino hip-hop. In particular, like, there's a lot of, like,

you know, Chicano artists in L.A. blowing up, like, all over the place. Like, is it kind of like, you know, you being a Latino artist in L.A. for several years is kind of cool to see where it's at. You got, you know, money-signed suede. You got Bravo the Bag Chaser. Yeah, yeah. You know, you got, there's so many different fools kind of going up right now in the city. Not for real. Yeah, and it's pretty recent. Even like O. GZ before that a little bit. Yeah, yeah. But there's so many representatives.

Like, no, hell yeah, it is crazy. Swifty blue, you feel me? Like, what is that kind of like? Is it cool to see? Super cool, super cool to see. Yeah, and I like that also, I feel like not calling them Chicano, but there's also a Chicano side that's getting even more love now. Right.

Because back then Chicano, I feel like Chicano rappers, people didn't want to be a Chicano rapper. Right. So I feel like that's getting love too. And then, yeah, like you said, the other Latino rappers doing it. I've always thought the Chicano rap was hard too, like Mr. Shadow and Diablo and all those was Mr. Lil one. Like, Conejo. Yeah, Conejo's Fire.

Yeah, yeah. Not for sure. I remember when a busy bone, I had all his solo albums. He did a, he dropped the project with high power. Shout to Bizzy, fool. That's my dog. Favorite rapper of all time. Go fucking, yeah.

You guys, do you ever talk to Bizzy anymore? I ran in, well, I saw him at a show. I'm pretty sure he don't remember me. Yeah, yeah. But I ran into him at a show. I didn't want to be weird, so I just didn't say what's up. You didn't even say what's up? No, because I'm like, you aren't weird for not saying what's up.

Well, because he was like doing his thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You'd be surprised, you might have remembered, bro. He's a cool-ass dude. You know what's crazy?

He had a yellow notebook. Wait, do I have it in my wall? No, I don't think I have it in my wallet no one. But he had a lyric that I feel like he was gonna throw away because it was on the floor or whatever. And I was like, man. And it was like scribble. He had like some bars on it and a lot of them were scribbled.

So I'm like, I'm gonna take this lyric. That's fire. I'm doubt, I have, yeah, I took it out. I was a big yellow. paper. But I kept it in my wallet for a long time. I found it again recently, like in the stash somewhere, and I put it in my wallet, but I think I... That needs

to be in the museum right there, you feel I mean? Yeah. So, I know you talked about upcoming endeavors. What's next for self-revote? Shit, bro. Fucking it's such a weird question. Because there's a lot. But definitely going to be dropping some tracks every here and there. I'm

actually working on something right now with the homie Nick Rodriguez Oh shout to my boy Nick Oh yeah Hell yeah Dope filmmaker Dope director

Hell yeah Got my boy Agent Spitz directing it You know I'm gonna let the homie Direct get it into his creativity Is it gonna be porn? You doing porn?

Agent Spitz me Come on That full got his dick sucked By David Devine Come on Don't play with him He was fucking porn bitches Before Adam

Like what? He has crazy history Way before It's a crazy vault You ever go to his house He'll show you Because everybody. Yeah, you could definitely like, you can make an only fan near the vintage vault.

I like that era of porn, too. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, bro, so just drop some music every here and there, get to know that business. I'm trying to endeavor upon the managing A&R and pick some more brains about that and do what I'm doing right now with the cannabis stuff, you know? Okay, look at you. Look at you. Amazing, amazing. Any final words?

My dog's selfie. Uh, shit. Nah, I think I spoke enough. Okay. You know the vibes. Self-provoked. Lach Uno, no jumper. Log in with us.

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