No Jumper - Sharp Kicks Game with Silkk Tha Shocker & Big Court!

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Sharp Tank. Yes, sir. No jumper. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. And today, I said it earlier, man. They say it's no such thing as a free lunch. But I did get me a two-for-one deal today. That's right.

Starting point is 00:00:18 I got my man, big court in the building, man. You're cracking with your P. I'm, hey, I'm happy to even. I'm happy. Trust me, I'm fucking ecstatic to have you. Hey, likewise, bro. We've been trying to get it. We went trying to get it done for a minute, bro.

Starting point is 00:00:31 And then I got a, we got mini ventures. Yes, sir. This is just the beginning. And then I got, I'm going to say a legend, man, of the rap game, you know, especially, you know, from the areas you came from, man. Like, your name and where you came from cannot be ignored. Absolutely. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:00:50 My brother. We got silk shocking in the motherfucking building. I'm in the building for sure, for sure. Yes, sir. He'll be here too. My brother. My brother. This is amazing, man, just to even be able to sit back and, you know, swing back and forth

Starting point is 00:01:07 through conversation and just, you know, just show the viewer you and where you've been. That's right. You know, and what's been going on. I'm going to start with you, because you said be closest. Real quick, though, bro. I got to give you your props, man. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't watch you coming to this game and I don't watch you flourish, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:01:26 So you coming from where you then came from, your boss. background you good at this shit so you know you continue to be great bro so i want to give you your props i i appreciate that man and like i said your podcast man i've been i've been watching i love what you're doing thank you brother you're saying you appreciate that bringing like you bringing like you bringing some realness to it like it's no bullshit holding court is like some real it's some real deal shit man like if you want a real genuine that's what i like genuine interview so it's dope to see you, like, really moving all that, like, and not getting caught in the bullshit. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:02:00 See, that's what I did that intentionally, bro. You know, I wanted to kind of bring some balance to the game, you know what I'm saying? You know, we got the bullshit. And that's cool. That's entertaining, you know, but I also want to bring some levity to the culture, you know what I mean? Some real shit because I'm kind of still up under that old doctrine, you know, a certain shit on social media.

Starting point is 00:02:20 What do you mean by old doctrine? Give us some of that. The old constitution, you know, like think about it, bro. I know I'm older than you. So, you know, in my generation, we didn't. You feel like you win when you say that? I've had one other people say that to me. His name was Frank Williams and I fuck with him, man.

Starting point is 00:02:34 He didn't, Frank Williams. I fuck with him. He was like, yeah, yeah, he's been on my show too. He was like, you know, I'm a lot older you. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna tell you why I'm a lot older you. Yeah. No, I'm gonna tell you why we gotta preface it with that. We had a great convo.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Because, you know, our generation, the sensibility was different. You know what I'm saying? Because you're a millennial. You know, I'm generation X. So it's a little bit different in terms of the sensibility and the rationale. So back in my day, you know, we didn't take a lot of pictures. It's parts of the 90s and the 30s. You think I do?

Starting point is 00:03:04 I've got a millennium. Well, no, but what I'm saying is like this, this overexposure and being on camera and talking, like, we didn't do that. We didn't grow up in there. No, no, no. I didn't come from that man. Hell, nobody even, kids didn't even have cell phones. Like, that was a luxury for the parents. Man.

Starting point is 00:03:21 Man, for me to get, listen, homie, when I got a house. phone in the room in my bedroom I thought I was the shit. Oh yeah. Did you have your online? So understand, yes. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It took me a second because I got tired of my grandma.

Starting point is 00:03:33 I'm talking about eight. Yeah, front. Yeah. And I'm already front and talking about, yeah, this is my own line. You know what I'm saying? I remember what it was like, bro, to record a voicemail with a little bit of music playing in the back, maybe a little bit of silk. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:03:46 You know what I'm saying? So I come from that area. I just want you to know that. Like I don't, like I remember what you. fucking AOL was new. Like, I never knew nothing about the dial-up shit. Yeah, yeah. I ain't know nothing about that shit.

Starting point is 00:04:00 I didn't come from that. So that's why we say that, you know, because, you know, we just kind of did this shit a little bit different. But, you know, but, yeah, we're doing the Hold on Court podcast, bro. Like, I just wanted to bring some, a little bit of maturity, a little bit of, you know, make it a little more cerebral. And, you know, bring some, you know, balance. Now, it ain't all boring and staunch like that.

Starting point is 00:04:22 You know what I mean? Like, we still. You know, it's about, I always say, I wouldn't call that boring, but I do get you in a cater into a certain audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. I always say that my show is a mixture of black excellence and nigger shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:34 So that's what it is. Some excellent niggish shit. Some excellent nigger shit. There you go. I love that, man, for real. That's dope, man, for real. But I just want you to know, like, I do come from that area of understanding. Like, you know, there was still some real people like, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:53 was self and silk that was still being able to influence because especially your music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all we have. For sure, for sure. That's all we had. So a nigga knew he had the power and what I liked about older, like older rappers and you know, rap back in the day, they never misused the influence. Even with Pock, right?

Starting point is 00:05:17 Like, you know, never like, you know, he talked about some thug shit. Yeah, he had a lot of positive shit too. Exactly. Nobody's balancing that out. Man, you hit the nail on the head. That's the same thing I say now. It's just balance. Yeah, nobody's balancing that out.

Starting point is 00:05:32 We love the, we love the ignorant shit. You know, we love that. We love that turn up. Niggas heard niggas grambamas and, yeah, we love the turn up. Like, doing weird shit these days. Back when I was coming up, your family was off limits. That's right. Even the dead homies.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Yeah, yeah. We didn't do that. Niggas didn't talk about niggas dead homies and all of that, you know. So, yeah, it's different, but it's cool. You know, like, you know, I try to, I try to, I laced my audience. That's the other thing about it too. I try to give them some game, give them some guidance, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:05:59 And you know, a lot of them younger than my oldest child, you feel me? And, you know, so I just try to share the knowledge wisdom, my understanding. Because, you know, I came up under older guys and OGs myself. Myself, that's how I came up. So there was really no room for error. You either caught on to it or you didn't. That's right. Like, you know, so I came from that, fellas.

Starting point is 00:06:19 Like I didn't come from just where this shit today, the millennial mixture. I'm not mad at them. I'm not even mad at these kids. They're not looking like, you little motherfuckers. Like, what are y'all doing? But then I start seeing like, it's a, I understand them better now because I know it's a different day and age. It's different.

Starting point is 00:06:35 They're not going, they're not really kind of, there's different temptations. Right. There's, you know, there's different music that's influencing. People are listening to a mass fucking majority of just all types of music. I mean, I'm one myself. I don't just listen to rap. I listen to a lot of different things.

Starting point is 00:06:52 Because there's so much of it that's obtainable. But if you don't already know who you are, you can definitely be easily influenced. Absolutely, absolutely. Especially with the power of social media. Because I think social media, you know, it exacerbates, you know, the influence, even the bad shit. You know, because back in the day, we just had, think about it. You just had a music video, a tape, a CD, you know what I mean? But now they're like, they're almost over-indulging with social media, over-stimulated.

Starting point is 00:07:21 You know what I mean? You get on social media. you got is everything at the tip of your fingers. You know what I'm saying? So whether it's positive or negative, whatever you're looking for, you can find it. Silk,

Starting point is 00:07:31 I got to ask you, and trust me, I want to talk to you about a whole fucking line. Okay? I swear I do, but I think this is the proper time to ask it while the conversation's brought. I want to know for you

Starting point is 00:07:42 and somebody that's done music for a long time here, what was the transition when you saw it from moving CDs out of the trunk or people actually moving physical, units versus now it's all about streams. How do you feel about that? It's different.

Starting point is 00:07:58 So what I think is, I think it's always going to change, right? So I think back in the days it was vinyl, right? Then it was 8-track. Then it was Cases and it was CDs. And then it was, I mean, it was cassettes and it was CDs. So I think it's going to always be something that you have to pay attention to, but also get on board with. Because I'm sorry, because I know people who just want to play 8-tracks.

Starting point is 00:08:21 They be like, give me back to the old days, but you can't really live in the old days just like you can't drive an old car all the time. I feel like people do that for like nostalgics. Like, you know, just like clothes. People like vintage clothes. They're like, oh, give BNA track. Because I feel like things, history repeats itself.

Starting point is 00:08:36 Oh, he does. No, for sure. You know, so I feel like some people kind of like that as like a vintage mode, like playing records. Absolutely. You know, something like that. But you got a point. So the point is even fashion, even all this stuff,

Starting point is 00:08:51 is going to go around the circle, right? So, to be honest with you, people are really looking for vinyl now. They want to go back to that vinyl days, but that was a good day, too. So I think it's a little bit of both. So you got to be able to kind of keep going with it because it's not going to stop.

Starting point is 00:09:10 So next time it's going to be where you could just, and your headphones, all the music are going to be in there. So it's going to keep on changing. Do you want to try to change with it or you want to still be with cassettes? They don't have cassettes in the car. But at the same time, those were some good times. So we might just install a cassette player in our car, just to have it.

Starting point is 00:09:30 Because that was some good times. I know everybody's asking me, you got the old vinyl charge of the game or whatever. So I know that's a moment. Do you? I do. That's a good question. I got everything. I got everything for sure.

Starting point is 00:09:42 But that's it. I think I learned to appreciate it. I might not like all of it because I remember sometimes back then it was good to hand out your CDs. I feel like that was like, you know, that was, that felt like, I feel like, I feel good to give somebody a CD go bump it. You hear it now it's like, it's probably a lot more music. Because I remember back in days when I was, I got a cassette, right? It was, L.L. Kool-J.

Starting point is 00:10:09 And I busted jammed it for like. Back then, that was a cold cassette back then. You know, people might laugh at that day and be like, what you mean? L.L.C.K.J., well, at that time, that motherfucker was puffing. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And then the thing about it, too, to his point, you know, back then, music wasn't so accessible.

Starting point is 00:10:26 It wasn't so ready made. So back then, an artist, you probably wouldn't hear from them, but once every year, once every year and a half that they dropped the album. So you had to, like, really enjoy that one body of work, you know what I'm saying? Where now... That's real, though. You know, where now, motherfuckers are dropping shit every day, every week. You can go to their social media, interact with them, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:10:47 So it kind of takes away the, you know, the... Exclusivity. The exclusivity. Just talked about it. That's how I knew the proper work. I just had this conversation with some ladies before this. It was just the exclusivity, man. And I think that's what kind of bumped the, that raw rap, that rapper, like that come from the streets, got a story.

Starting point is 00:11:11 Yeah. You got a story. You notice a lot of these rappers, and I'm not knocking them at all, but a lot of the newer rappers, they all really got a story. Because everything can be manufactured and manipulated through social media. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm going to say. I'm sure some people are going to agree with what we just said.

Starting point is 00:11:27 I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people that don't. On the business side, it stands. It wins, though. On the business, like on the business side, I think it's dope, right? Because back in the day, you know, you had to start locally. So if you was rapping some shit, like, you really had to be that because the people around you, they knew you was lying, right? So they ain't going to get behind you because, you know, you had hard costs.

Starting point is 00:11:45 You had manufacturing. You had posters and all that shit. Everybody didn't have a money to get, you know, 50,000 units pressed up and get distribution. So you was hand-to-hand with it, right? So you couldn't be on your tape telling too many lies because my fuckers like, I work with you. You're talking about you still, don't. You miss them times, so.

Starting point is 00:12:01 Like I'm just that, like, that independent, right, on the street, people loving you, like, there go silk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got units to sit. Like, here, you want to buy whatever you got. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You miss that interaction or do you like this new era of like way things go where people interact with you where people interact with you virtually?

Starting point is 00:12:20 Actually, I do you. I miss them days because that's what kind of blew us up because we will find ourselves. You as in the hot boys. Yeah, well, think about this. Like, so back in the days, we was like so crazy enough to be in Compton, you know, Chicago. Like, you know, like, and we didn't know no better.

Starting point is 00:12:39 We was like, we was trying to get this money. So we don't know that y'all, somebody's trying to, you know, get at us because we like trying to get out the hood. too. So we'll go anywhere. Maryland. Yeah, we just driving. You know, if somebody come to your neighborhood and you don't know them, you're like, hold up, man, it's about to get ugly. So, right? So, but we were just so crazy enough to try to make it where, but then let me say what happened. It was organic because street, you know, street dudes would be like, you know, I should do something

Starting point is 00:13:07 to y'all. But y'all crazy, give me a CD. Give me about 100 of those CDs. So, right? So when we first came out, we had did this everywhere, Maryland, D.C., Chicago. and when we dropped our first record, all that stuff would end up being loved. So they were like, oh, I remember those guys? And because he came out on a major at that time, all the independent people in the streets were like, I remember those guys.

Starting point is 00:13:30 And that's how I record blew up. It was all groundwork. You come from one of the original, like, rap groups. Like that were popping for its time. Like, you are a hell of a piece to the culture. And anybody that sits there, and denies that or has anything bad to say about that, don't know rap. Oh yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 00:13:52 It's impossible. I don't give a fuck if you didn't like them as people, you could not ignore the music. It was everywhere and it was pumping everywhere. And I think because I think what happened for you, Silk and a lot of others back then was it was more hand on hand contact. Yeah, had to be. People wanted to say, I ran in this, I was at the gas station. Man, he said, look, he signed my.

Starting point is 00:14:17 I see the he, like, this thing gave my hundred just, what you do? I gave him the whole hundred just because I was just, I don't know, I just felt like it was just worth it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. You know, it's, those times right there are the most realistic times in rap that I feel like has been forgotten. That's why I feel like people just make music just because, like, anything. You just hear anything.

Starting point is 00:14:41 Yeah, it's funny. It's got fucking fans. It's funny you say that too because I've been on a road, right? I've been doing these big shows, whatever. And so we about to go out on the road now and it's a little bit more tainted. Like it's a little more smaller and I'm looking forward to it because, you know, when you do the big shows, you can't really touch the people. And that was the best thing about what we was doing because I would be in the streets sometimes.

Starting point is 00:15:05 Like I was kind of like just talking to some people and one of the dudes on the streets was just like, yo, he'll go five racks. You know what I'm saying? You so cool dude. Like, you know what I'm saying? be invested in to you because you're so cool and so humble and down the earth. And so you have a fan for life. So I come to you, if you were in the street, I'd be like, you, we're cool.

Starting point is 00:15:26 You're going to end up being cool with me for life. You're like, man, I remember the silkie came to my boy shower or whatever. It's that interaction, man. Yeah, it's interaction. Yeah, it's more intimate. You know how many people talk about how much they have a favorite rapper or favorite artists and they say like they buy all their stuff, right, Biggordon, like for real. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Buy every fucking thing. And they say, like, once they run into the person, like, meet him at a show and they get booed, they like, man, that's the word. I can't even believe I bought all of his albums just a dick or she's an asshole or she's a jerk or just, whatever they, the choice of words they want to use. You know what I'm saying? They're like, I can't even believe like I like this motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that's real sharp. Hey, listen, I'm from Kansas City, Missouri.

Starting point is 00:16:09 I've been out here 20 years. Love Kansas. I'm staying out of, my man, I just visit Kansas a lot. Yeah, Kansas or Missouri? Kansas City. Kansas City. Missouri or Kansas City, Kansas City, Missouri. Okay.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And I go over to Kansas City, Kansas a little bit, man. I was that, Levinworth and all that over there. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's where the penitentiary is. Yeah, that's where the penitentiary is. Come up on the stand over there, Charlott's my nigga North. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I know about it. I've been a little bit of everywhere, trust me.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Just, name it, I'm fucking real. But it's funny that you say that because me coming from Kansas City and wanting to be in the industry, you know, starting out as a rapper as far back as the 90s, you know what I mean? You know, I had signed a no limit in 95. I didn't know you rap, Bick-Corps. Yeah, yeah, way back. That's not old news.

Starting point is 00:16:49 I'm just way back at the day. I know what's up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like to. Yeah, yeah, I know how you do. I know how you do. Yeah, yeah. You were though.

Starting point is 00:16:55 Yeah, yeah. Tell us about that a little bit. But the thing about it is, you know, being in the Midwest where there's no industry, you know, and I was blessed enough to be able to grow and work with a lot of people that I looked up to from that space. You know what I'm saying? Some of my idols and people, and I always say, man, don't meet your idols. because, you know, I was blessed enough to be able to get into space where they became my contemporaries.

Starting point is 00:17:20 They were my equals, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's my brother, 25 years. Yeah, yeah. To be even sitting here next to you even like coast by that's major. But all these motherfuckers ain't cool. All these motherfuckers ain't cool, though. Because I didn't met motherfuckers that I was grew up on and then you go to meet them and

Starting point is 00:17:34 you like, damn, you're a whole ho-ho-ass nigga. Like, boy, you're a weird old, you know what I'm saying? So I'd have ran into a couple of those, you know what I mean? So I, uh, but, you know, I'm able to see. separate the music from the person, though. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:49 Well, you always seem like, hey, man, from what I know of you, I've watched your podcast. Yeah. So I never really looked at it like you jumped into a whole other lane and sold it. So it's like, I respect that. Like, I even not even knowing too much of the music, but I even knew about your dealings and your relationships. But just seeing what you're doing today, bro, like, and just moving along and even having you here, man.

Starting point is 00:18:14 Sharp tank, man. Yeah, absolutely. Doing what we doing with our brother, Shaka in the motherfucker building, man. That's epic. Like I said, this is, I'm excited to have you both, not just one. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Because I've been a fan of you, but that I recently became a fan of you of what you've been doing, you know, and just the people knowing y'all, man. Yeah, yeah, likewise. And you know, like I know, bro, you get so much love in this space of this content creating, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:18:40 Like, you know, you'd be surprised at how many people really be inspired by you. you know, and you really like, like deposit into their lives. You know, I get so many comments and emails, people be like, man, I love how you make the culture look. I love, you know, when you did this interview, it was, you said something to touch me. Man, I didn't think about it from that perspective. Because, you know, like I didn't have, I didn't have people from, you know, Master P, from

Starting point is 00:19:04 J. Prince to Ice T, even Silk to Shocker. Shout out to all of them. Yeah, but then I'd have had Snoopy Badass. I'd had Crip Mack. I'd have had these guys. So, you know, they're the young homies. So when they come on, I'm able to kind of give them a different perspective and give them some game. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Like, I like how you, we get good names through the door. We get people that that can move the motion. But it's always good to open the doors to the up and coming and the people that got something going on. Absolutely. Because, and genuinely do it. Because if you really look at it, the motherfuckers fuck around, you missed the opportunity. They blow up next year. That's right.

Starting point is 00:19:40 That's right. You missed the content. I'm like you, though, bro. I'm intrigued by the story. I love the story. I love the journey, the back story of how you started and how you got to this space. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because it had to be something, right?

Starting point is 00:19:52 Even for you, Silk, which we're about to get ready to go down memory lane. Yeah, that's right. Here in just a second, man. For real, like, I just want to know for you, Silk, like, honestly, like, what was, like, just your experience coming up through the rap game, man? Like, what was it like for you back then and just being a part of what it was then versus what you see it as today because you got to watch it actually transition. Yeah, what I think was just coming up in it, you know, you young, so you, it's almost like

Starting point is 00:20:26 you're living for the first time, right? So you don't know what you expect. You don't know what touring like. You don't know what touring like. You don't know what friends going to be like. You don't know what the music going to be like. So for me it was just like, I didn't really know no better. But I was so good at it and talented to where I enjoyed it.

Starting point is 00:20:41 But I didn't know what to really enjoy. Because it's the first time, you know, if you go back, you'd be like, oh, I'm going to stay in this a couple more days longer. I'm going to do this a little different. But at the time, we was moving and shaking. But I appreciate it because coming from where we came from, choosing music, kind of got us out of that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:21:01 Because when I go back home, every time I went back home, it was another homie out of here or 50 years in prison. You know what I'm saying? How that affect you when you would come off of a good trip. A good tour and you come back to know somebody you may have talked to right before you left. Could have been the last person. Like when I get back, we're going to do this, this, this, this, this and this. And you get back and you get that news.

Starting point is 00:21:23 And see, back then, it wasn't a bunch of social media or a bunch of contact. Like, blah, you get on the road, man. You might not hear from them for the next couple months. It was definitely different back then. You know, it's not all these gadgets and things that were, you know, virtually you can even get to a person, and even something as simple as FaceTime. Yeah. But that happened to me a couple times.

Starting point is 00:21:46 You know what I'm saying? And then being a product of that environment, which made it even crazy, is that our city was called the Murder Capital World. So we was beefing with the other projects and all that. And it was seeming like every day somebody would come up missing. You know, it was like, it was just like, it was a war. It was a war zone.

Starting point is 00:22:04 And so what I found out is the thing that saved me the most was my auntie, She was in the country. So my mom told me to go to the country with my auntie. She had chickens, cows, pigs, everything. Send your ass around. Nothing that's dangerous. Guess what, bro. I was like, no, I was crying.

Starting point is 00:22:24 No, you, I love my friends. We're hanging out every day. Bro, it was so crazy. It was the best thing in the world ever happened to me. She put me up there. I was milking cows and all this, right? I'm mad. My auntie, she's tough, right?

Starting point is 00:22:37 She's strong. Rest of peace of her. So, she, my mom put me up there for like three months, four months. And you know, as a parent, you know, you would do some stuff for your kids, they won't even appreciate it yet. But all my friends, when I came back, it was like six or seven months that I was, I knew personally was just gone. And I was like so mad at the time, like, you took away from my, you know, because that's

Starting point is 00:23:02 the environment you're in. And then coming to find out that she saw something because she knew, like I was telling before, you know, when you younger, you could be a lion, right? But if you're a cub, that's a big difference. So anything could take you out of the game as a cub. So you might grow up to be who we is today, but... Cubs get easily influenced. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:23:26 You know? That's the danger of it, you know? Or get, or get ate about the big dog. Yeah, because it's not about, because I feel like in that theory that you said, it's not about protecting yourself physically. about protecting yourself mentally and some of the struggles that you know and temptations that come your way. Being a youngster,

Starting point is 00:23:46 especially if you don't have already a strong influence in your life that's pushing you into a positive direction. That's right. That's real. You know, I just want America to know that that's what's built a lot of that. It's a very simple math equation. It is. It is.

Starting point is 00:23:59 And especially when you don't see nothing different. You know what I mean? Because, you know, like us, we've been fortunate enough to transition, you know what I mean, and transcend our circumstances, you know. But we all. from the hood. He from the murder capital. I'm from K.C.

Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah. Not everybody took their money and tried to do right. Yeah. But, like you said, though, even the mentally, the mentality. Like, when I look at some of my peers that I came up with, right, it's not that I'm not God's chosen one. I'm not God's favorite. I'm not the smartest and nothing like that, right? The only thing that separated us was the way I thought. You know what I mean? So I had the same type of influences and the same temptations. But, you know, I think that when you can see something, else past what you see right here, you know. So I always made decisions predicated on where I wanted to go, not necessarily where I was. You feel me? So when you got a dream, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:49 see, I dreamed outside of my circumstance. But a lot of my, some of my partners, they didn't. It was like, no, this is what it is. This is all I want to see. This is all I know. So they made moves predicated on that, you know. And so I think a lot of times that's what contributes to motherfuckers being stuck. They'd be stuck mentally. It's a mentality. It's a mentality. I was locked up CCDC one time in North Town. in Las Vegas, I was getting extradited. Yeah. And they put me on the side, man, where, you know, it's 23-hour lockdowns a day.

Starting point is 00:25:15 You know, I was probably back there about a month, one and a half before they came. So I was doing 23-hour days in the county. And I ran into one of my childhood friends that was up in there, man, his name was Ellis. And shout out to Ellis, man, wherever he was. And I remember every night, like, his, his, his, Selly would always try to complain, talking about, man, he always stands on the bunk and looks out the window. Mm-hmm. He says he does it every night. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:25:39 And I asked him, I say, Hellas, man, what the fuck this motherfucker can talk about? He says, man, because he says, I look out the window because my mind's not in here. He says, my mind's out there. Exactly. So he says, I'm just trying to resonate with it

Starting point is 00:25:50 and trying to stay connected and stay in tune. That's real. That's real. And that's where most people are in their minds. It's real, man. It all starts with a mentality. So for somebody that's in a fucking county jail that's about to get ready to go up to prison

Starting point is 00:26:00 and serve his time and do what he do. For him to look at it like that, and people that are free don't, something's wrong with the picture. That's deep. You know? That's all, man. It all starts with perspective, brother.

Starting point is 00:26:12 You know, that's what I learned. You know, I always say, man, you live life long enough here to teach you how to live. You know what I'm saying? So you understand those things, you know what I mean? Like I'm almost to the halfway mark, you know what I mean? So, you know, yeah. It's about, listen, Silk, I'm sure you can agree with me here. It's all about what you leave behind, right, baby?

Starting point is 00:26:31 Absolutely. That's right. The legacy. That's right. You've left behind landmarks. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? this world and whether you reincarnated or not.

Starting point is 00:26:41 I don't know how people play that, but whether you're not, you don't even know you, your being before left something. Absolutely, no doubt. You left something here and I want people and I want people that, I want the viewers to know that they're, like, leave something behind. Leave something. Yeah, because this is the thing, you know, like I know, that's what I'm saying, you got that old spirit, but, you know, as you get older, you understand people don't care how

Starting point is 00:27:03 much money you got, what kind of car you drove or whatever. They don't remember that. What people remember is how you made this. feel. You know what I'm seeing? That's the lasting thing. You know what I mean? So like you said, leave a legacy. How many people did you help too? How many lives did you touch, you know, in different ways? Touch some good game here with you. Always say, right? When you die, nobody comes in and talks about how you look like your mama and your daddy. Right, right. Everybody always talks about who you were and the choices that you made. That's right. You die looking like the choices that you

Starting point is 00:27:38 made. You don't, you're born looking like your mama and daddy man. You know, you don't, you don't die looking like them. You die looking like the choices that you made. Oh, wow. That's deep. Okay. Talk your talk. So you have to remember that. You know what I'm saying? With somebody standing over your grave and they're sitting there, I don't get fuck, they hate you or love you. That's real. They're never going to talk about how much you look like your mom or your dad. They're going to talk about the choices and the decisions that you made into the person that you became. That's right. You're born looking like them. You die looking like the decisions. that you made.

Starting point is 00:28:09 It's very important, and I want people to know that, the viewer to know that that's very critical in your life to understand that. You know what I'm saying? And that's why there's people like you, whether you thought of that like that or not back in the day,

Starting point is 00:28:23 so when you were doing your thing and you were moving, just in the rap game, you were leaving a legacy behind. Absolutely. Nobody was going to talk about your mama or your daddy when they're standing over you in the end throwing a rose. That's facts.

Starting point is 00:28:36 Nobody. They're going to talk about what you left. behind your legacy. That's right, man. Your legacy is everything. I don't want to be remembered for a day. I want to be remembered forever. That's right.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Don't remember me for a moment. I like it. Remember me for a lifetime and forever. I salute that. For lifetimes to come. I like that. That's right. Matt, that's probably, you write on that.

Starting point is 00:28:56 I think even, so even going back, and you don't know that, you don't know that you end the legacy moment. So every bar, every bar you write. Who does? Right? Yeah. Who does at that point?

Starting point is 00:29:08 You don't know what you're being? Yeah. When you younger, you don't. Yep. Every person, but the good part, even like what you're doing now, is going to stand forever. You know what I'm saying? So everything we're doing now is going to be a part of the history, right? It's like even when every song I did, every feature I had, right?

Starting point is 00:29:28 Like I still look at it today like it was Destiny Child, right? It was Beyonce. I'm like, so Beyonce who she is. But if you go back, we was all young kids just trying to. I figured the music thing out, but we figured it out. She figured out, I figured it out. You go back, you got camera, I did it some on camera, I did some with Jay-Z. So it's all, well, I didn't know that years later those moments would still be where we could

Starting point is 00:29:53 put our fingerprints on it. Like it's so crazy, like I go back, charge the game is going to be around forever. Like it's 25th year. And it'll be, it'll always stand as a jewel. As a jewel. That's right. No matter where you got, I don't give a fuck. Somewhere in the country, the world, somebody playing your music.

Starting point is 00:30:13 And you'd be surprised who it was. That was just resonating with something that you made, man, over 25 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Like, Silk, you're definitely a pioneer, man. Y'all being pioneers, even in that game and understanding your ass even just being around the big court, that was surprising to me when I found that out. I said, damn, you know, really niched in. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:36 I started young, bro. I've been around a long time, you know. But I want to go back to something with Slim, like that charge of the game being 25 years old. And you, so you got a, you're doing like a tour, 25. I'm doing a big tour. Well, I was telling you about this before, and this is going back to what you said about touching the people.

Starting point is 00:30:55 Because I remember some of the people that I met along that way where everybody who really care about you genuinely is like touched by that so much. Like I want to go back, not I can't do it crazily where I could go everybody neighborhood, but I want to be able to every city we go into, because we go into a lot of cities. Yeah, I'm doing some big shows and that's fine and cool, but we're doing the charge of the game tour where I'm kind of like I'm going back to that grassroots. Like I want to, every city I go to, I want to see somebody that I see later on in life. Like I want to impact them too.

Starting point is 00:31:31 Yeah, music is good. giving away stuff, having fun, you know, like, because that, to me, that changes the world. That changes people lives. Like, I remember somebody coming to me. I had a picture of these three girls, whatever, and the guy. And then at my concert, they showed me the picture. They was like, we was all going to college, and we was like, we had you all on our wall, but what it was, it was just simply.

Starting point is 00:31:56 It was an icon, man. That time, like, no. You said I didn't say it. You said I didn't say it. And I'm a firm, no, no, because I do the same thing. Like I never call myself a legend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never done that.

Starting point is 00:32:06 I hear people say that shit all the time to me, man, and I just, I push past it. That's for them to say. Exactly. Never say, so yeah, you're right. I'm supposed to say it. I did say that and you didn't. I appreciate that.

Starting point is 00:32:15 That's what it's about. Absolutely. You're an icon, man. You still are, man. For what it is, you made a staple in this rap game. And I feel like the viewer needs to know that, man. Like if you ever respected hip hop, rap, anything about that, or even know your histories, you know somewhat of this man.

Starting point is 00:32:32 and where he came from. That's for damn short. And the fact, this nigga don't age. I said this shit earlier. I'm working on some skin care. This nigga walks in. This nigga needs to get a, you need to do a skincare or some type of it. You didn't look.

Starting point is 00:32:47 Bro, I said this shit when he walked in. I said, man, this dude don't look. I said, church, do you age? You look the same, man. You look like he did. You look like the nigga climbing out the TV. You know what I'm saying? He has to be the true definition.

Starting point is 00:33:01 I'm being for real and for the viewers Go match up a picture from this shit I swear to you He has to be the true definition of black don't crack You put on a skull cap nigga You look just like I swear man I swear to you

Starting point is 00:33:18 Because you look the fucking same From the time you stepped out on the scene Fucking over 20, 30 years ago But you know what I've been around homie So that's good living You know what I mean That's not stressing no drugs There's no drink, you know, taking care of yourself, you know, on top of good genes, you know what

Starting point is 00:33:36 mean? That plays a good part of it. Well, he had no fucking controlling that shit. I know. You don't. But if you do, you do. You feel me? But I'm like, fuck.

Starting point is 00:33:44 I got some young homies that look older than me, you know what I mean? 21, 22. Get weathered, man. Like, you know what? It was like, it was like Silk said when he walked in, he said, man, you know less stress. He said, man, I'm trying to be away from stress. Stress is the number one killing is these days next to salt and high cholesterol. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:34:00 You know what I'm saying? Especially for black men. We were disposed to all of that shit. Come on, man. So you know, like, for him to even say that, he was like, man, shit, this is stay away from the stress, man. I think, too, another thing too, man, I was just, and we was talking about that before, it's like, man, it's a lot of, okay, so where I come from, just to be honest with you, where

Starting point is 00:34:19 they ain't really do a lot of talking so much. And I think everybody got this, it's stressing themselves out, but I'm being trying to be super tough or I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to control everything, whatever. But in reality, if you're a real one, whatever, you ain't got to do a lot of talking, you ain't got to try to, you know, be... Because if I got a problem, it's up there.

Starting point is 00:34:42 But you'll never hear me have a problem with nobody because I feel like as a person, let's fix it. We can fix it as a man. Or if he has to go way there, that's crazy. To me, I feel like... I've had problems. Listen to me, man. And we can talk about it.

Starting point is 00:34:57 Let's unpack. That's right. You know, I've had certain problems in the streets. you know with certain individuals whatever you know it's that shit is gonna nobody treats it the same no more content and took over right i used to be like that too where like yeah you're just showing your actions yeah right if that's what's going on that's what's going on but that's not the way it goes anymore now now everybody like they'll pile in man they're gonna try to push you toward you and the other person that probably y'all can talk it out because y'all both bosses

Starting point is 00:35:28 God just putting y'all together. Don't let it, don't think that all these other little motherfuckers that's putting, they're not putting you together. God's putting you together. So if y'all did have a discrepancy, do not allow the viewer to dictate or play in the narrative of what you two really become. Because people are turned, people that are supposed to be friends and the enemies. It's the viewer.

Starting point is 00:35:54 Especially now. And the killing part about it. You know I'm telling the truth. Donnie left. Like, yeah. That's the naked, that's the naked fucking truth. But what's the fucked up part about it, though, Sharp, is like I always say, bro, the cemetery full of tough nicks, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:36:08 Yeah. The penitentiary full of niggas. It's not full of wise ones. Yeah, but the penitentiary full of niggas who had to show them tough niggas what time it was. So it's a lose-lose situation. But with this content shit, right, that's what I learned. I didn't get the memo that a lot of this shit be WWE shit and just content, right? Because I come from the era where you got to pay for your words with your ass.

Starting point is 00:36:27 You know, pause. When you say something, you got to stand on that. I hate that. I hate that. No, I'm going to be real with you. Like, I say it too because I know the weirdos won't understand. But like back in the day, bro, the motherfuckers say, man, I'm going to have your ass. It didn't mean nothing in any type of situation like that.

Starting point is 00:36:44 You know what it's for. Yeah, you know what I'm sorry. You know, we got to navigate these comments in the weird. But I don't you, don't you hate that? Like, I just wanted to pinpoint that rule. I'm like, when the niggas say he was going to have your ass, he didn't mean that. He didn't mean that literally. He was getting yourself equipped, nigga for a rumble, right?

Starting point is 00:36:57 You wasn't getting yourself equipped, like, oh, do you sex playing me? Yeah, yeah. But you know now. I feel like that's a younger generation that plays that game, man. It sucks and I get it. It's a truth. It's an ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. Yeah, no, you're right.

Starting point is 00:37:11 And as I was saying, like, you know, it's like nowadays, yeah, you have to be mindful of that because it's like high school, right? Like, think about it. If you're in the hallway and you got a problem with a nigga, right? Y'all walking past each other. If it's not a crowd, y'all could probably talk and figure it out. Conversation rule the nation, you know what I mean? But guess what? When it's a crowd around, you know, now everybody posturing.

Starting point is 00:37:32 Now you got ego. You got a lot of noise. And the thing about it is they'll hype you up just for you both of y'all to crash out. And then talk about how stupid y'all was. You know, you see that? They'll be like, oh, man, he fake, he is, he ain't that. Look at what he said. Look at what he said.

Starting point is 00:37:47 He should do this. They should pull up. They should run the fade. But then as soon as it go left, then it's like, man, they were stupid. Man, they was dumb. These nigg was getting money. Look what they did. So, motherfuckers got to understand the play.

Starting point is 00:37:59 I got a good question. Let's have some fun. Let's go. Let's do this. Michael B. Jordan is saying Drake is the greatest rapper of all time over Jay Z and Tupac. What's your thoughts? One, two, three, go.

Starting point is 00:38:12 As somebody who's done a song with Jay Z, though. As somebody who's done one. So, like, I just want to, you know, I want to know your, because this will be dope to hear your insight. I got two opinions on. I mean, at the end of the day, you know, you have a right to choose who you want. to, but to say that, to say that would be like, I mean, don't give me wrong, Drake is dope. Drake is good.

Starting point is 00:38:34 Drake is definitely one of the greatest of all time. I love Drake's music. But continue, please, because you're going there. But I will say, yeah, that's a tough sale to say one. That's a tough one. You know what I'm saying? I'll just leave that there. I mean, everybody got a chance.

Starting point is 00:38:52 They can do what they want to say. Now, me personally, I thought like my number one has switched back and forth too. You know what I'm saying? Who's your number one? For real. We got to know. Number one, right now you feel like can't be touched next week nor next year. Watch him say, self, the shock.

Starting point is 00:39:16 I'm excused myself, of course. Yeah, no, you're excluding yourself. Now, you know what? You know what? I was debating this. And, well, I think Jay-Z, to me, is the number one. But some people are going to kind of be, like, kind of thought all about it a little bit. Well, I love him.

Starting point is 00:39:33 Who is it? Well, I would say it's a close one, but I, Wayne is up there for me, too. Okay. So who are you going between Jay-Z and Wayne? I'm going to go Jay-Z because when I was coming up, Jay-Z never disappointed. Even to this day, he just never disappointed. I'll tell you what I liked about. Jay Z and why I think a lot of people will agree with you because he's a great businessman.

Starting point is 00:40:00 He's a great businessman. At the end of the day, like whether he right or wrong, right? He has made it to a whole other level in the game of just buying other businesses and just having other things. He's made his brand huge. That's not music though. It's not. But just even him touch

Starting point is 00:40:23 You have to think about it man It's like being in the streets right You only you respect the motherfucker shining You don't ask him how he got it Oh okay okay right I like that You ever walked up on a motherfucker and asked him how he got it Versus just saying hey man you shine him my nigga He could be amongst everybody in the room

Starting point is 00:40:41 That he ain't ever did nothing of what they did He just touches a little piece of it Because he brings the backing He brings the money It makes him the biggest Nobody respects it anymore these days that of just your name being good in the streets. See, I came from that era as well, fellas, where your name had to be good in the street. Yeah, your face card had to be good.

Starting point is 00:41:01 These days, it's really just about who's got the most money. If he's got the most money, okay, we're going to listen to him more. That's right. That's right. Wow. Okay. It is like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Wow. And it wasn't even because he had more knowledge than you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But so to the music, I'm saying you saying that Jay Z shouldn't be number one or you saying? I feel like this. He played it well.

Starting point is 00:41:22 He played it well. He made himself bigger than the music. Right. He's a mogul now. But if you keep it just to the artistry, though. If you keep it to the artistry, I feel like he definitely does fall in the top five. Really? Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:36 For sure. And you know what? Jay-Z wouldn't be in my top five as an artist. He brings, no, the only reason I say that because I feel like he sells a lot of units. You know what I'm saying? Like when it was units, you know, that's the type of shit that I count for. But then, let's go for this, though. But, I mean.

Starting point is 00:41:49 But streams and units doesn't necessarily mean that it's good. I know it's all subjective, but just because the motherfuckers sell a lot of records or stream a lot don't mean they necessarily good. I think Jay-Z is very talented, just like Eminem, right? But it just wasn't my cup of tea. I can listen to him and acknowledge that he can rap. He's talented, but, you know, he wouldn't be in my top five. Listen, love Eminem.

Starting point is 00:42:13 I interviewed one of his, a film director, a film director. director James Lurice Love the conversation Everything and I fuck with him And I feel like his videos are dope Because of some of the people I've met like there's people

Starting point is 00:42:28 There's people that make some of these people dope That's right But would I ever say that Eminem's in my top five? No Yeah yeah see and then this is the thing It's too I personally And not even because he's white

Starting point is 00:42:39 I love white people I love everybody Spanish people I love everybody But rap is rap It's subjective I have two sets of top five I see conversation, fellas, like, we're going. Because it's the thing, if I, if you asked me who my personal top five was, it would be,

Starting point is 00:42:55 my personal top five would be, my number one would be Spice One, actually, and probably Scarface and Ice Cube two and three, you know what I'm saying? But now if I go a separate top five and I say, well, damn, who I can see that can actually rap rap and do all that old trickery shit, yes, that's where you would get Eminem, Jay-Z, you know what I'm saying, and Nause and some of those guys, you know, so it's two different ones for me because I listen, I listen to music for different moves. I might listen to 3-6 Mafia. I ain't listen to 3-6 Mafia for lyrics. That's vibe. You know what mean? I might listen to him a long time ago. I'm in a man.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah. That's my partner. Yeah. Shout out to Crunchy Black. I knew him, yeah. I knew him way before any of this for years. You know, me and him used to ride. That was one of my right-hand man. Right. And I might listen to Beanie Siegel because I want to hear some lyrical gangster shit. You know what I mean? I might listen. I like Beanie Sigel. State property. You're on your state property shit that day. I'm saying. I feel it. Yeah. You might want to get on your sift, shock and shit that day, maybe on some ball and shit.

Starting point is 00:43:52 That's what I'm saying. And everything's shining. And then it's about what's, it's about where you're at in your life, too. It's about what's relative to you too. That's real. Because like Rick Ross, like Rick Ross, to me is underrated. But Rick Ross, his whole thing applied to where I'm at in my life now. But see, when I was in the hood in the streets, it didn't.

Starting point is 00:44:11 You know what I mean? Because I couldn't relate to that. You know, because I'm still in the trenches. So back then, I'm shit, I'm listening to ghetto boys or whatever. whatever, ice tea, you know what I mean? Because that was more trench rap. When you got a nigga talking about some silk and some, you know what I mean, some extravagant opulent shit, then you know, you, you at least for me, it was, it wasn't until I got

Starting point is 00:44:30 to that point, you know, I mean? So I think music is subjective though, bro. You know what I mean? But Drake is definitely one of the goat. Drake. Definitely. I hate it on Drake too. I know what it's like the Drake and Drive.

Starting point is 00:44:44 Dr. I know what it's like the Drake and Drive. I don't. I can't be the only one that hated on Drake initially because he was light-skinned. I really never hated on Drake. I felt like he was in the beginning when I first heard Drake, when I first heard Drake come out, I felt like Drake was very commercial. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:03 And then he grew into who he was going to do. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I felt like he evolved. He never stayed the same. Like he got into wherever the industry was and everybody's filling it. And then he took his followers and his fans and he ran on with it. Now he's got a whole different genre of people that rock with him.

Starting point is 00:45:21 Me being one of them. I love. I love Drake. You can't tell me nothing about Drake now. You can't tell me nothing about Drake. But initially, I didn't give him a chance. I hate him on me. I will stand with Drake, man.

Starting point is 00:45:30 That's my nigger right there. That's my life-skinned brother. Straight up. And let me ask you something sharp real quick. Off the subject, right? Go ahead. I ask Matt Barnes is the same thing. Man.

Starting point is 00:45:40 Shout out to the homie. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Today is birthday. Happy birthday, Matt Barnes, man, for real. Fuck with my life. light skin and brother. Yeah, light skin, niggas, y'all still in?

Starting point is 00:45:49 Or y'all still in? Or did y'all go out in the 80s? You know what he is? Ask some of the chicks you deal with, nigga. Asked that. I ain't the questioneer. I ain't the nigga to ask you, sure they ask her. Love it.

Starting point is 00:46:01 Ask him. She's going to tell you everything and be like, yeah. Ask him, would you go popper Sharma a little bit? Yeah, I think they like that shit. Let me ask. And I know this is your, but we do the same thing. We do the same thing. So that's why you.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Did you have to deal with? And this is just a question for you, bro. Did you have to deal with colorism as a youngster, like being light skin? I feel like you have to deal. I had to deal with it as the years went on. Like, see, back then when we were younger, kids, nobody really understands that too much. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:46:32 Like, that's not the thing that's being talked about on the playground. Right. You know what I'm saying? I think it starts happening as the years went on and people got more of a voice. Yeah, yeah. Social media was created. People are fucking putting, they say it's free speech. People are putting out whatever the fuck they want to put out, separating everybody.

Starting point is 00:46:50 Yeah. Well, the reason I asked, because like I had Matt Barnes, I had Busybone on my show, and I both, I asked them both the same question where busy, that wasn't his reality, because they're both mixed, right? They're biracial. But Matt Barnes, he said that he ran into a thing where he wasn't in some circles, he's not black enough. In other circles, he's not white enough.

Starting point is 00:47:09 You know what I mean? It's always going to be like that. And I've said that before, but you have to stay to who you are. You know what I'm saying? I know, I'll tell you this, I classify myself to what the police classified. Yeah, you already know what that is. I think that's very important. That's what they go off.

Starting point is 00:47:26 I don't go off of how the viewer treats me or what they think I am. I don't go off of none of that. I go off of what this man grabs that little square card, man, or he pulls me up in the computer and he sees what my race and starts to treat me. They're going to treat you just like they treat me. We all the same. We're all the same. It's never been no different from me as a kid, bro.

Starting point is 00:47:45 I've always, always, I always classified myself off of how the police treated. That makes sense. And I've been getting treated by them since I was a kid, so I know. Yeah, that makes sense. They ain't the one that taught me who I was. Absolutely. The police did. That's who taught me what I really was.

Starting point is 00:47:59 If I needed to classify myself, are you too, are you black or are you white? You can never be too much white. Can never be too much black? No. Police, you're black. You're black. And come up over here real quick. And we need to holl at you real quick.

Starting point is 00:48:11 What you got up on you. They ain't never just walk me off. You're like, yeah. He's safe. He's good. He's good. Send him home. Let's stop everybody else.

Starting point is 00:48:19 No. You Michael Blackson. What's going on? Who's catching that one? Hey, whoever's getting that one, you're a better man than me. Yeah. You're darker than Kutti. Hey, but that was funny.

Starting point is 00:48:32 But to get, I want to get back on base. I heard, like, you trying to name off your top five. I want to know who your top five was. You're your top five rappers. So I think, I think this one will be a shocker. You know, ask that I'm talking. He says shock. I think this will be a shock.

Starting point is 00:48:51 Can I give you top 10 or top 5? Do top 10? All right, that's cool. Top 10. So I would go. We ESPN status tonight, man. Sports Center. Top 10.

Starting point is 00:48:59 Top 10. Yeah, come on. We just don't know. Let's go J for sure, for me. We start from 10 or one? Start from 10. Go get to 10. Okay, 10.

Starting point is 00:49:07 Yeah. Damn. I just messed me up. Let me go 10. All right. So let's go 10. Let's go. Let's go

Starting point is 00:49:14 Ice Cube Really? Yeah I'd pull him out of the double digits Come on, bro I'd pull him out of the double digits I am I am a West Coast nigga

Starting point is 00:49:27 So that should tell you everything And why I said he's not going double digits Okay, let me reserve it. I reserve it right. Okay, you might be right on that. Hold on that. Let me see. Come on. Come on.

Starting point is 00:49:36 Don't let Sharp talk about your shit. No, he, no. Don't let Sharp talk you out of your shit. Let me see. You just want to debate. But no, he's right. You just want to debate. He just wants to debate.

Starting point is 00:49:46 No, no, Cube is in my top ten for show. Fuckin' my top five. Cube's still double digits for you, Donnie. You're top ten? For show, bro. Yeah, yeah, death certificate. Let me see. Let me see.

Starting point is 00:49:59 Let me see. Let me see I'll put him at because he might be higher or lawyer. Let me figure it off. So my 10 going to go to, let's go. my Okooji rap as Tim. Let's go. All right. Let's go Naz 9.

Starting point is 00:50:22 I have something to say about that, but I can't fuck with your list. I hire a Lord. No, fuck that. You're just, get your list. It's your list. Noss 9. I can't do that again. You're going to like this.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Might not like this one, but. Eight. What? L.L. go L. Oh, that's fair. That's real. I mean, I'm talking about, so, and then I'll go, so I'm at seven.

Starting point is 00:50:44 I would go six is Snoop, maybe, Snoop. All right. He's like, he's like debatable. It's okay, no, because I know it's, I'm from the West Coast. So, you know, some of these dudes, yeah, they're going to fall in my five. It's maybe not necessarily going to fall in yours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would go, I would go, and I'm taking all of us out of the picture.

Starting point is 00:51:10 So I was go, now I'm at five. I would go, I would go, Scarface. Can't do Scarface. I like Scarface. No, if he would have, I would have accepted it. No, and he didn't. He's throwing us for a curveball. If I would have, he said, no, no.

Starting point is 00:51:33 Okay, no, you know what? Let's give him his flower. I mean, this is your list. This is your list. Yeah, let me go Scarface. Let me go, Jesus. Let me go, Drake. Let me see.

Starting point is 00:51:47 I like that. to get him out the way. You know you can't leave him off the list, but you try to get him out the way while you're still up in numbers. Hey. I get it where he was at. He was like, all right, I got to get Drake the fuck out the way because he needs to be on this list, but when he comes down to the bottom of the list, the bottom of the barrel, there's going to be some other names at play. It's so many good ones, though. Yeah. Did you only got two months? Yeah, this is your 10. The world's watching this. Viewers are watching this. The whole world. Your 10 is about to solidify everything. Okay.

Starting point is 00:52:17 Okay, I'm gonna go, well, I'm at four now. Yeah, my four. Mystical? I say none of us is in there. Oh, okay. Yeah, none of them, no, they can't count themselves. Can't count themselves. That's, that's cheating.

Starting point is 00:52:33 That's just somebody up against their self like that. Like, yeah, no, this is just you, what you listen to and who you would put as your ranking. E40? No. I mean, I like E40, but I'm saying these are people that normally, normally, you know, I'm saying, these are people that normally, like, I'd just be like, listen to him consistently. I got you. And it's just like, so I would go, I'm going to go Drake three.

Starting point is 00:53:02 And then so four would be, four is going to be, I'm going to go Outcast as a group. All right, solid. I like Outcast. That's solid. Like, if you listen to that, yeah. No, that's funky right there. That's funky. I like that.

Starting point is 00:53:18 You letting me know that your music gets funky. I like that. You like horns and sounds and things like that. Like you like actual band sounds. I like that. Is that real musical shit? No, no, I got two more. You got two more.

Starting point is 00:53:30 Go Wayne, two, and J1. I cannot believe that, all right, now we can talk about it, right? Now we can unpack. I cannot fucking believe you left Pock off the list. I could not believe that I was waiting, and I was like, all right, bro. Hold on, but you're gonna leave Q off the list, though. No, I got to get the do-over.

Starting point is 00:53:51 You left Cube off the list, though. Let me just run this fade real quick, you know what I'm saying? Because Tupac can't fucking with Q. We are running the fade on the music debate. Absolutely. Because no why, I do, you know what it is? Now, I did, and Pock is one of my favorites though, so that's why you know what I got to do?

Starting point is 00:54:12 I take that back. So I would go 10 Kooji rap. I would go 9. What I say 9? I said, L.L. 9? No. You said eight for LL, I think it was. Yeah, he was like eight.

Starting point is 00:54:22 Yeah. It was Kooji rap and then it was, fuck I forgot. It was LL. It was LL for eight. I can't remember. That's crazy. You messed the whole thing up. But I will go this part.

Starting point is 00:54:37 Oh, I will go, so this is the reason why I like all the biggie music too, right? But it just didn't have a lot of it. So it was just like, do you, I'm going by the body of work so that's a long career. But so I would have to put, be like about six, and then I would, I would put five, can I go outcast with five, but I would go, I would go Drake at four, Wayne at three, and Tupac at two, and then Jay at one. That's my, that's it right there. I would go on with that.

Starting point is 00:55:15 Because let me say why I say that. Bro, when I, so Tupac, so I know everybody debate the Tupac and Biggie thing, right? And that's fair because we want to be as respectable as possible because we have to mention them both. As number-wise, I can't, I don't know with the numbers because I jam Biggie, right? But I didn't jam a lot of it. And then I, but he was just as talented as everybody in my list. But, you know, the rest of the piece of Biggie too.

Starting point is 00:55:44 And so, but the thing I was thinking about with Pac was literally he should be number one. Him and Jay is like fighting for. Let me tell you why I say that. I ain't never heard of Tupac bad versus Tupac. Like I'm like, you could pull it up right now. You won't ever really think about it. Everything he ever made, it was like crazy. So I would debate the Jay-Z.

Starting point is 00:56:06 I would debate the Jay-Z and Tupac thing more than anything. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I mean, Big is in the class of itself, his own. And I could debate the four, just before I debate. I would debate. Jay, um, Pock, Biggie,

Starting point is 00:56:27 and, and I would say Wayneish, a little bit, he's coming, he got a little more time ago. Him and Drake, I feel like are the same

Starting point is 00:56:35 when it comes to, exactly, when it comes to like, and, and to be real, the only reason I say that and I don't want the, the viewer to be like,

Starting point is 00:56:42 well, that's fucked up is because yeah, they're both kind of from the same entity. Absolutely. They are. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:56:47 very much so. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're both kind of from the same entity, correct? So, like, Weezy pumped that up.

Starting point is 00:56:55 That's real. Initially. I feel like Weezy really pumped. That's right. And I love Drake. That's right. Like, I love, like, but let's not forget where people came from. Yeah, no, that's real.

Starting point is 00:57:04 You were. I feel like Drake sounded like Wayne. He took a lot of sauce from Wayne initially and then became his own. Like you said, he grew into his own. Drake, I think what Drake is mastered and Drake, I love you when I say this. I don't want you to take this one personal, but I feel like, because it's not nothing to take personal. I think it's actually pretty.

Starting point is 00:57:19 I think it's actually pretty dope what he did. He has took other people's sounds, other people's music, and has made it better than the person that has done it. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's Drake's gift. Yeah. And I hope Drake's listening to that.

Starting point is 00:57:35 I wouldn't say that he took, maybe influenced, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it was there before him. Yeah. So we have to look at that fact. Yeah, it's not new under the sun. We cannot take that away from the situation to make a fantasy. No, he blatantly. has done that.

Starting point is 00:57:51 Yeah. But what he, and that could be the downside, right? We can say that's the downside. But the upside of it is he has took it and made it better than what it was. And I would agree with you. And so that, that's, he's dope for that. I disagree a little bit.

Starting point is 00:58:08 But here's what he's saying too. It's like, we're just debating this. Everybody has different. Like, I know people who don't have pocket and even in their top 20. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. That's very fucking true.

Starting point is 00:58:20 Yeah. So we're just debating this. It's a subjective. It's no disrespect to any artist. No, no, not at all. It's really just, you know, me personally, I'm just trying to see, I'm trying to give you my facts of how I listen to it. Right. So this is me.

Starting point is 00:58:36 So I'm saying I just jammed Jay and Tupac like it was crazy, right? I just did it. It was like, if I could just put it on right now, we'd be jamming it here because it was just my flavor, right? flavor, right? And then with Drake and Wayne, I would say I like Drake more, but then if I was thinking about lyrics and how they move, like I would say Wayne. So you, like you said, everything is debatable at this point. It's like you could throw a toss up. You won't really get wrong in that top five. Right. You'd be like, you could be like, you could move up. Some people would say Outcast number one. You know what I'm saying? You could move

Starting point is 00:59:10 it, you could shift it out. You asked me mine. They made great music. Oh, no doubt. So, yeah. Outcast made great music. I would be a full like the things that they had put out, like was crazy back then. And the thing about music too, bro, I'm sorry. The thing about music too is what I learned with rap. Sometimes it ain't even really about who the best rappers, who the best communicator. Because if you think about it, Tupac, it wasn't like he did all the lyrical gymnastics. Tech 9 and E40 can rap circles around him in terms of skill set, right?

Starting point is 00:59:40 But what he said, he resonated. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes it's who's the best communicator. You know, because Tupac had a basic cadence, but the shit he said and the tone of his voice. It was influencing. It was influencing. And it had power.

Starting point is 00:59:55 And that's why to go back to what we were saying earlier, I was like, I felt like rappers like yourself and others. So for real. Yeah, for sure. Like, y'all knew y'all had the power, but y'all never like tried to put, like, even if you knew you was fucking up and doing you, you would talk your shit, but you would never try to send people to their death. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:16 That's what I loved about. I feel like a lot of rappers try to send a lot of people that are fans of them. Like, man, overboard and a half-knit. You talk about you wouldn't. You would do. And that's the thing about balance, because that's what I loved about Ice-T. Ice-T was my first, the first gangster rap record I ever heard, right? Was squeeze the trigger.

Starting point is 01:00:32 But Ice-T, first verse, oh, we getting it. We thugging. We gangsters. Second verse, oh, shit, nigga, we really, we got the bitches. Third verse, damn, we dead. We in jail. You know what I'm saying? So he gave you the real.

Starting point is 01:00:44 I fuck what I see. He gave you the real. It was like, yeah, you can do all that. All that's cool, but let me tell you what's waiting on you. Let me tell you what's waiting on you. So that's what I appreciated for Mice T. And can I rattle off my T-in real quick? My shit way quicker, though.

Starting point is 01:00:59 I would love to hear your T-in. I was going to probably do a quick-five. I'd rather say a quick-five. I do a quick-five. Because the five is what's going to stand for someone. Your five is what's going to always stand. I have to. I have to.

Starting point is 01:01:11 I just, because I love music, you know what I mean? So going from one, I would say, spice one. Okay. Second would be ice cube. Third would be iced tea. You got knowledge out of two and three. Yeah, yes, sir.

Starting point is 01:01:27 You got a lot of knowledge that's raised you. Yes, sir. Your music is everything. It's a piece of what raises you. You've raised a lot of people. That's right. You've raised a lot of people. That's right.

Starting point is 01:01:38 And don't know it. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's right. I say fourth would be probably Cbo. Damn. Yeah. He's just, Z-Bone. He was coasting there too, for sure.

Starting point is 01:01:50 Yeah, that's what I grew up on. And five, I would have to say, would probably be, probably ghetto boys. Ghetto Boys. Yeah. Okay. Damn. Yep. He went a whole different route.

Starting point is 01:02:04 That's a cool one. You went a whole different route on us. That's the shit that I grew up on. That's the shit, like you said, to raise me. E40, you know, E40 kept me out of jail when I was hustling in the 90s and getting to it. You know, that's why I always say, too short taught me how to deal with women in the sense of having confidence, you know what I mean? NWA taught me how to deal with my peers in terms of being aggressive, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:02:23 Not taking no shit. You 40 kept my ass out of jail. Because when you get into the money and you in the street, you know, he's telling you how to move, you know, how to talk in cold. And, you know, like he said, don't go buy $75,000 house for you, go by a car for you. Let me cut my five. I'm looking for this one. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:44 You can keep me all too. Don't worry about it. Just keep me off. Just keep me all. It was food to myself out of this. You know what I'm saying? Because you were one of my favorites. It was because you, no, you really were because you were saucy.

Starting point is 01:02:56 Like you brought a different feel to it. Like, you shine and like, y'all brought shine to the grind. Got you. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, didn't just look like a bunch of niggas rap and struggles. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:03:08 Like, I can say that, bro. Like, we used to look at the album covers like, damn, this nigga's shining. You know what I'm saying? They had to shine on. But I'll exclude you. I appreciate it. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:19 I'll go, um, park my first. Okay, that's tough. Okay, park my first for show. That's tough. Snoop Dog and the DPG. That's tough. Second. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:35 You put them way up there. I thought you're looking at me sideway. Okay, got you. Okay. Got you. That's tough. All right. DPG was cold, too.

Starting point is 01:03:45 My third, do or die. Okay. Wow, okay. Shot town. Okay, you're toughening it up. Okay. Do it die. Bring, yeah, bring some of the real melodies.

Starting point is 01:03:54 Yeah, bring some of the real melodies. That's right. That's that Midwest shit. That's tough. I like that. My fourth, Drake. Okay. My fifth, my spiritual brother, Kevin Gates.

Starting point is 01:04:12 Yes, absolutely. I probably would have put him in my five, too. Yeah. And I got a hanger on the sixth. I got a sixth man. Okay. Come out the bench? Okay.

Starting point is 01:04:21 Juice Whirl. He's tough, though. All right. So you're solid. That's my solid six. That's my five and a six man. Now let me ask you a question. I'm just keeping it a band, bro.

Starting point is 01:04:35 Like, that's where I fall from. And I feel like he was the rookie. Juice World had to throw him up in there because he would have been smacking with some of the greats, bro, and what he was doing and what he brought to the table. That's tough. So I had to bring me a six. I like that.

Starting point is 01:04:50 Yeah. I'm with you. Kevin Gates. Man, that's my... Gase is the truth. That's my nigger right here. Would you say for you, because that's your top six, right? So that's like influencing you.

Starting point is 01:05:00 You could throw them on, you can jam tool, you know, the music work. So that's you. Okay, I like that. I like all these two. Mm-hmm. A lot of it, man. You know, I like a lot of oldies too, but like for today to what I want to resonate with the viewers, like that's my top five and a wingman today.

Starting point is 01:05:17 I like Juice World's my wingman. I like that. I fuck with him on me. Like he was going to be, and I'll be real, what you'd like to speak on him. I feel like he was going to be something great. He was going to be, he was ahead of his time, man. Like in his music, you know what I'm saying? Like he never, he talked a lot of sad shit, but what I loved about Juice World is he never

Starting point is 01:05:39 spilt hate. He never spilt hate in his music. You know what I'm saying? Like, he would say some of his experience, he always talk about fighting demons, not joining them. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? He always talking about fighting him off.

Starting point is 01:05:53 Like, you know what I'm saying? Especially being in this, he's a young kid. He's 20 years old, a multi-millionaire. Yeah, right, right. You know, he's a multi-millionaire at 20 years old, man. Of course he's fucking fighting demons. Oh, yeah. He's taking drugs, he's doing all types of shit.

Starting point is 01:06:05 Like, but he's still, out of all the shit he did, he still stayed focused. Yeah. Who at all? That shit was just a freak accident, man. He didn't mean for that shit to happen. That shit just happened. Most of them don't. He was, you right, rest in peace, juice world, man.

Starting point is 01:06:20 He was going on legend. Like, he... He was going to go on legend status. He was on his fucking way. Yeah. He could nobody stop that shit. He was going the fuck up. Donnie was one of his good homies.

Starting point is 01:06:32 Oh, for real good. Yeah. Sitting by and just so happens. That's crazy. He's filming today. Yeah. Yeah, man. Straight up.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Rest and peace. Yeah. Now, that's one person I can say. It's a lot of two of them, like, a lot of young dudes. Like, I feel bad for, like, you know who was good. But him definitely, I didn't know. and then they started let me him and he put on shows

Starting point is 01:06:52 and he was like that too he put on shows you go to his concerts and I never got the chance to ever experience one but me watching some of the documentaries and just some of the stuff that was filmed

Starting point is 01:07:01 man his shit was entertainment like it was a show it was a it was crazy I feel like some some artists that we know of

Starting point is 01:07:11 that are mainstream I feel like they kind of bit off of some of the shows that he would do like some of the shows juice world would throw you know I'm saying like I and this ain't even nothing against Travis Scott but I feel like

Starting point is 01:07:24 Travis Scott tried to kind of somewhat mimic what Juice World was doing. You know, and throwing some of his shows, you know, and I know there's going to be something that's going to talk about but that's just my personal preference to it. Right. I think you did it on. I love music. Yeah, yeah. I love music and I don't talk, we don't talk about it a lot on my show because we get

Starting point is 01:07:41 more in depth with the people that I talk about, but shit, we're on a music platform. Yeah, we can always talk about me. I love music. So let me throw a, I keep doing what you doing. You know, we do the same thing, but real quick. Who's your top five R&B? Top five R&B. Real quick, yeah, your top five R&B.

Starting point is 01:08:01 I'm going to go number one, Isley Brothers. All right, all right. We got to read it to the oldies on that one. That's right. Secondly, I'd probably say Keith Sweat. Okay. That's tough. That's a tough one.

Starting point is 01:08:19 Third, for show. Jodicey. Yeah, shout out to Jodicy. For sure. Had all the bitches. That's right. Had all the bitches. Love them to death with some crying ass niggas.

Starting point is 01:08:30 See, that's when niggas were crying on me. Like, they had water splashes. Water splashes and all that. The rain and shit. Yeah. Niggins, niggins would go? What I say? Jodacy for my third?

Starting point is 01:08:39 Yeah. Prayers to Jojo as a matter of fact who was recovering from a stroke through. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Damn. Casey and motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:08:50 I guess it's always the bad ones that live on, I'm sorry, too. Yeah, they both raise Held off. That's what all the folks right there. They both raise Heldon. That's what the old folks right there, hey. But it was that knew, hey.

Starting point is 01:09:04 Yeah. Yeah, so Jodacy 3 for, I like 112. 112 is holding for some groups. 112 was hard. 112. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:22 That's hard. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And number five, he ain't even drop a lot, but I got to throw him in there because I have listened to a lot of the music that he did drop Case. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:38 No, Rkelly. Hey, you know, I'll be real with you. I'll be real with you. You are fucked up. But what I like, though, hey, but I like though, I can't throw a six man, right? Yeah. I'm going to throw Arkell on there. Hey, you said, kills, huh?

Starting point is 01:09:53 I'm going to throw Arkeel. I'm saying we're, I'm going to throw Arkell. Hey. You're right. And I did do me a six, man. I'm going to go ahead throw Arkell on there, man, for real. We're talking about strictly music, though. Yeah, just strictly music.

Starting point is 01:10:06 Yeah, just strictly music. I'll throw Arkell on there. Of course. I liked Usher. Yeah. I think Usher put it. I think if we just keep going on down through R&B, now we just have fun with it. That's right.

Starting point is 01:10:16 That's right. You can look at Usher, man. Like, you look at some of these dudes that doesn't really like them put on. Yeah. See, for me, I'm. I'm, you know, I'm back with the Luther's, you know what I'm saying? I fucked with Luther too, man, for real. I go far as back, man, is Bobby Womack, man.

Starting point is 01:10:32 Oh, Bobby Womack, what you know about Bobby? You know what I'm saying? Willie Hutch. I wish you would trust me so much. Willie Hutch. Man, I watched the video that he shot from that year. Did you ever see the music? He got a music video from that year that he put out.

Starting point is 01:10:44 Oh, wow. Wow. We could talk this shit for that. That's real. That's real, man. Hey, man, I just appreciate, hey, look, if y'all ever want to come back and just pod, because I feel like it was. a bit of an interview more of a pod.

Starting point is 01:10:57 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Bringing thoughts and ideas and especially having a music mogul with us. And, man, just having somebody who, man, we got people from music, from media here, man. So I just feel like it brought together a good pop, man. Shit, I might throw you all on my payroll. Okay. I know you might be all right with it, man. I thought you said coming out.

Starting point is 01:11:14 We work it out. We'll work. Work it out. We'll work something out. You know what I'm saying? I got it. I appreciate you, fellas. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:21 Absolutely. I'm coming in fucking with me, man. And sitting down with men to all the ones. It's in the room and to the viewers out there that love what goes on in this media because I'm going to bring nothing but the truth, man. And I feel like the silk in court, we brought nothing but true transparency. Salute to you too, my God. Salute. The Sharp Tank.

Starting point is 01:11:40 Salute. No jumper. Sharpest, coolest podcast in the world. Hey, Donnie, you know what to do. Shoot us out the motherfucking gym.

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