No Jumper - Shawny BinLaden on Being a Pioneer in NYC Drill, if Yachty Took His Flow & More

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

Shawny BinLaden talks about his upbringing, his parents being from the streets, Yachty taking his flow, and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Adam introduces Shawny and talks about growing in Queens, New York 1:30 Shawny tells the a story about finding a ___ in his buildings elevators, talks about his parents bangin' and growing up in New York 3:56 Shawny discusses making music with 22Gz and the difference between Brooklyn, Queens and Bronx drill 6:18 Shawny breaks down what music he listened to growing up and talks about losing his Uncle Stretch 8:20 Adam asks Shawny how often he goes into Manhattan and Shawny explains the definition of “Grinch” and never believing in Santa Claus 12:15 Shawny talks about going to the studio for the first time at 16 and talks about Lil Yachty taking his flow 15:02 Adam and Shawny speak on other rappers stealing flows from other parts of the country and Adam asks where the roots of Shawny's flow came from 18:12 Shawny says that he only listens to his own music and how he incorporates samples into his music 21:16 Shawny speaks on starting his own channel to have all his music in one spot, Adam asks how he picks the samples for his music 23:18 Adam asks Shawny if he ever gets tired of Drill music and Shawny talks about his love for fashion 24:00 Shawny talks about smoking in secret spots around New York and they discuss LooseLeaf replacing Backwoods 27:30 Shawny and Adam discuss quitting lean because it was causing too many stomach issues 29:29 Shawny and Adam talk about the difference between strip clubs in LA and in New York 30:55 Shawny tells Adam about his mixtape dropping, working on music in LA studios and if they've seen John Wick 32:30 Shawny on how he got the name Shawny Binladen, being from New York ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we got Shani Bin Laden in the building. How you feeling, man? My skin, it feels good, brodie. Yeah, it's nice to have you here, man. Likewise, man. Been a long time been trying to get up here. I ain't going to lie.

For real? Hell yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Because I feel like, I don't know, like, there's a lot of flows that are popular now that I feel like if you really were to draw out the tree of how the flows connect, that you were, like, super early on a certain style

that like we've kind of seen transform ever since. But I mean, you definitely are like a stylistic pioneer for sure. And I just want to make it clear. I recognize that. Appreciate that. Yeah, definitely. So wait, where in Queens are you from exactly? I'm from Woolha Avenue, like, Jamaica Avenue.

Okay. Nice. Just so, you know, I used to live out in Astoria for a few years. Yeah, you know. A little bit of experience. Next to the college team, yeah. Yeah. But, okay, yeah.

So that's where like 50 is from, basically, right? Nah, no, 50 from Rajdad. Oh, okay. But they were always rapping about being in Southside, Jamaica and everything. Yeah, that's like a section like South Side. Oh, all right. I wasn't over there, so to me it's all mashed together. But what was it like growing up out there?

What was your childhood like? My child was, it was some little Queens shit, really. I'm from Queens. So it's like, everybody knows if you're from Queens, you know how to go. And they didn't know my block. So, you know, crazy over there. So it was wild from a young age? Definitely, definitely.

Like what kind of shit? remember seeing anything that was just like oh man i'm way too young to be seeing this like you could look this up they have found like a chopped up body in our elevator in your elevator in your building like remain like body remains and you didn't see it or anything but you heard about it like i was outside like the cops was out there and all that's see the body i just see the bags and shit they were like picking and stuff i mean that's a lot to explain to a kid that's i ain't open my eyes to that i got older like really I ain't know what the hell I look at that

I'm like, nah, crazy. Damn, so what did your parents do? Or what was the upbringing like? My parents, my mom, you know, she worked full time. My pops, he was from what whole ad. Like, he's from, like, my project. Like, I just picked up where he left off over there, really. In terms of, you picked up where he was at

in terms of, like, being on the block or street-related stuff? You can say that. Right. So your dad was- Like, it's really my family. over there i don't even look at on those shes my grandmother's been in since like the 80s i got cousins that lived in every like dandy my whole family in each building really yeah so you grew up with like a real sense of community definitely they're they're from down south yeah they're from down south

yeah they're from down south right damn okay so you grew up with a serious sense of community like what are your memories like of like just being in the neighborhood because i feel like that's the most amazing thing about new york is just that that sense of community out there on the street and Yeah, that's be fun. Like I, like, this is my Ock and shit. Sure, sure. Is that guy, is the

sure sure guy, aka the Akiy way? Is he kind of similar to the ox that you grew up around? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, my ox is crazy, though. They're crazy as hell, but it's like, we grew love for each other.

That's my boy now. Like, his brother. Right. I was, like, getting on that block since, I was like, 15, 14. Mm-hmm. I've been going in since a child, And when I really just started posting, like, really on a block maneuvering this.

Like, when I was 15, 14, 15. Right. And there was, what would you say you were, like, kind of getting into? You were hustling or you were just, like, out there, like, politics with everybody? She's doing everything, like, really, though. Like, that's why, like, one of my songs, they, like, got lit was with 22Gs and my shit. Like, re-rock. Like, I used to always, like, cussies used to come in the store.

I used to, like, punch some she rock out the wall and, like, serve him and run. Right. Really, like, that's really how I got that. As long as you mentioned it, I saw you did that song with Tutsu J's. Was, is he somebody you're still cool with? Because I know New York is really political, and I know some of the rappers that you do music with would absolutely not be doing a song with Tudu J's. Like, hell, yeah, I'm still cool.

Okay. Hell yeah, I'm from Queens, that's like Brooklyn and my . I'm on some real getting money. I'm on some get money. Like, I'm really gonna get this money out of this shit, and I'm gonna, like, leave my mark. I ain't really letting nobody trick me out my spot. Right. Right.

Because I was talking to busy banks, who I know you're close with the other day. And we were kind of having that conversation like Brooklyn drill versus the Bronx drill. And I'm like, it's definitely like the vibe. And even I've talked to a bunch of Bronx drill rappers who basically said this, is that they consider Brooklyn dudes to be on some fly, get money, hustle type stuff. And then meanwhile, with the Bronx is just like craziness, like warfare. A lot of those dudes aren't even like flexing like acting like they got mad money. they're not even concerned with that they're into the politics that's a fact that's that's that's

that shit i don't know where they get that but i ain't a lot of bronx been like that like the bronx been like that it's just like now they got the spotlight on them so you know y'all seeing the shit more like i've been going to the bronx young and too so brooklyn too brooklyn too yeah but okay from your perspective like how would you say that queen's kind of fits into that because sometimes it does feel like queens is kind of left out of the conversation about new york rap right now which is weird because it just has such an amazing history, you know? I feel like they got me. I'm just keeping that shit strong.

Like, I'm just keeping a glue. Like, it's definitely a lot of other artists out there putting on for me. But I just stay, like, focused on what I'm doing, honestly. Like, stay updated. It's a new rapper every day, so you got to really be on top of your shit. Like, I don't really be, like, I ain't get this far worrying about what the next person do. So I just stay on top of my shit. Stay focused.

Stay in the studio. I got people to take care of. Definitely, yeah, because you were, like, real ahead of your time, like, with the sound that is kind of, like, normal at this point. Hell yeah. They was not trying to hear that shit back, then now everybody doing that shit, that shit crazy. Right. It feels good, though, damn, but I used to talk mad shit, like, nah, fuck yeah. Yeah.

But, okay, so do you remember, like, what music you were listening to or what was being played around you when you were a kid? And how did you get into making music yourself? shit like uh i used to hear like a lot of tupac biggie uh the locks um wutein my uncle's big stretch badge live squad r p um yeah i was just me on that shit 50 even 50 hell yeah how old how old how old were you when you lost your uncle stretch i was like two years old right because i'm not gonna lie I kind of got into watching some VAT TV videos about it and shit. And it was like, I'm putting the pieces together. And I'm like, damn, this is crazy.

Like, because apparently it was alleged and a bunch of people said that they don't believe this, but it was alleged that he might have something to do with what happened to Tupac, right? That's not true. Hell no. Yeah. Hell no. Like, he still was in contact with his mom. Oh, like, that's my, like, his mother is my cousin's, like, dog woman and all that.

So it's like, we still was in tune with Tupac mom and all that shit. Right. Hell yeah. That's definitely not true. And if you want to co-sign that it didn't happen, one person who said in a rap, I guess, that it didn't happen was Nas. Exactly.

Which is kind of wild. I don't know what the song was or like why Nas was just randomly saying that shit, but I guess he does tend to like spit a lot of like random street knowledge and songs. So that's kind of wild. You know. Like he really know.

Right. But so what, you grew up as a kid just hearing about your uncle all the time and what happened to him? Yeah, definitely. That's why I got like really on my rap shit. I picked up where he left off. That's what I really meant. I'm picking up where he left off that.

My uncle passed away. He was 27. I'm 27. I'm going to be 28. Like, when he called his deal with Tommy boy and all that shit, that was when he was like 27. Right. So you'd always be hearing about it. And it was kind of like there was like a something that was supposed to happen that didn't, that wasn't able to?

Exactly. So you're here for a real reason? Exactly. Crazy. Got an objective. I'm trying to stay on that. Like, can't let nothing trick me out of that. Okay.

So you grew up pretty deep out in the Queens, right? Like, were you, like, going to the city all the time? Or, like, was it part of your upbringing to be going to Times Square and shit like that? Or are you kind of in your own universe up there? When I met my manager Vok, I really got on some Manhattan and shit, like, going to the city and the studios and shit. I've been going to the city, really, like, going some shopping and shit all the time. But Vok really got me in Manhattan Beach and all those type of shit.

Like, all them different type of studios in Vite only. I had different studios and shit. Shout to my God Vox. That's my name. Right. So I just always find that kind of interesting Because definitely like some kids I've met From Brooklyn or Queens

Will be like, yeah, I've been to the city like two times On a field trip for school Like it's just it's another fucking planet to them Hell no Nah Nah, hell no That's man like where you're getting your shit from there Yeah

I don't know It was just like BMX dudes I knew from back in the day That they seemed like they were kind of like Oh yeah that's too far from them Yeah but actually the BMX dudes Were the ones who kind of were moving around Like just because they were able to like travel all over the place but I would be surprised sometimes me and people that just hadn't really

like people in Brooklyn would be like yeah I never really been to Queens like what the fuck are you talking about that's great but I guess like I don't know some people are scared to leave their block you know which I guess I don't blame what they know yeah they block definitely I'm all over like I'm all over Brooklyn Queens Bronx I'm all over from a young age you had that sort of adventurous spirit you wanted to get out there hell yeah just wanted to spread the grinching man everybody got to be a good sonny Grinch is in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, everywhere. When you first start saying the Grinch thing?

The Grinching, like, we started saying that like, I'm like, shit. A little while, like 2015, 2016, she said, my boy, Yahya, like, he came up with that term. Right. So, yeah. What's it supposed to represent just you're going to ruin somebody's day? No, hell no. Grinching is like, that's why I use the zombie emoji. Like, you do, like, you'll have bags under your eyes, like, you look like a zombie, like, doing your, like, doing your,

job, you know, getting to this money. Like, that's grinching. Like, you can be doing this shit going to college studying, trying to get your diploma, but you staying up sleepless nights, you're grinching for that diploma. It's like, however way you want to use it. Right. Because my kid is only two, and she was obsessed with the Grinch during Christmas. And it was weird, because at first I thought it was so funny that she liked somebody who's mean, but then

I forgot that at the end of the movie, he becomes nice. So, you know, there was that transformation. You relate to the actual movie, though, or is it just like a image? Yeah, we kind of relating to it. Okay. Like, I don't believe in Santa. Did you? Nah.

You don't remember when you found out Santa wasn't real? Nah. I mean, like, yeah, kind of, but I was small. I got a young age. Couldn't fool me. Like, I already knew mama love is, plenty of shit. I know some people with kids who are, like, eight, nine years old, and they're still just making up crazy-ass lies to keep the kids believing in Santa.

That's like that tooth fairy fit. Yeah. Like, I'll do the tooth fairy thing. I'll do the Santa thing. But if my kid comes to me and says like, Dad, how the fuck is Santa supposed to go to like 300 million different houses in one night? I'm going to be like, well,

yeah, it's like, you know, there used to be a guy named Santa, I think, St. Nick, some shit. And he was like real cool and gave people gifts, but like we kind of celebrate his memory. But like the kid will be like, all right, that's cool. You know, that's reasonable. But if you deceive them until they're nine or ten years old, it's crazy.

I remember feeling like a fucking idiot when a kid in my elementary school was just like, yeah like you probably still believe in Santa I'm like no I didn't no I don't like I'm thinking to my head like what the fuck like it's as soon as somebody says that you're like oh yeah duh what the fuck hell no I've been gay don't dreams up I knew Santa wasn't real

yeah I think that's the thing a lot of parents who are like kind of from the hood or whatever they don't they don't want to give Santa credit they're like now we bought you this shit I hear that a lot hell yeah so when did you like really start to get serious were rapping and everything. Shit, mom. My uncle, man, he took me to the studio. That shit was on like 16, 15.

And I was just fucking around. Like, he just kept making me go to the studio. Like, we out tonight. We out tomorrow. We out. I just stuck with that shit. Even when SoundCloud had the fucking, you could record yourself.

I used to put the phone next to this shit. Press record. Like, I used to be recording like that. Like, we were doing that shit. Definitely. So who do you want to sound like at first? What style did you have going at first? Style.

I never really had, like, I had people I listened to, but I was really trying to make my own style, really. I just feel like your style is so out of the ordinary that there had to have been a period of time early on where you were kind of rapping in more of a normal way and then you kind of just kept freaking it. Yeah, that's why I call that shit the chalkboard.

Like, I'm always there at the chalkboard just trying some new shit out, like trying to do flows, all that shit. Because I don't want to keep sounding the same. That shit gets more. Right. Yeah. I mean, when I was like Googling you last night, I fucking finally got the reminder or something I totally forgot about, which was back at the day when Bari called out Yadi for jacking your flow, which I totally forgot about. But I remember we talked all about it on the podcast and everything. It was probably a good look for you just to have people talking about you like that. But do you remember how you felt when that conversation came up? Yeah, I mean, I don't remember that shit. Yeah, like, what did you think? I think Bari had a point?

I mean, yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, it's just certain ways you do certain shit. For me, I don't think he, like, I know they probably had their own shit, like, the own little fallout, but I just feel like what he said wasn't wrong. Like, basically, like, we just getting a spotlight on us, like, let them have their time or, like, really tap in with us or really fuck with it. You feel me? It is what it is.

Have you ever met Yadi? Yeah, I spoke to Yaddy on the phone. After that shit? Yeah. Oh. Spoke on the phone. And he was showing love? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't sound like it was that much love. I mean, it was like a quick conversation. Like we never got to the, like, really got to, like, to the bottom of that shit. Well, you know what's funny is that, like, then a couple years later when Yadi's, like, really fucking with the Flint wave and, like, rapping and everything like that, then he actually went there and did a whole tape and, like, kind of put all these dudes on in a way that made them all fuck with them.

I don't need to get put on. I'm just saying, like, if you're going to jack our style or, like, like, or, like, like, he's just saying. or like start fucking when I stand like so jane one love i saw a lot of i want nothing from nobody i could get to it like always been getting to it so you know definitely no people definitely told but it's wild because i think back in the day in hip-hop stealing flows used to be a way bigger deal and now it feels like it just happens and that there's like there's no control of it that that shit just goes down like like if somebody comes out and they got a real influential flow that you can pretty much count on it that within a few months you're going to hear a bunch of other people

fucking with it like but is that shit to you is that kind of like against the code like like you like you can't just straight jack somebody's cadence i mean yeah you like nah and hell no you can't just jack someone in cadence and not show love like definitely i'm not jacking that i wouldn't do that if i'm getting on some detroit beach i'm gonna holl at some detroit people like yo got some shit that's why on my tape i did something with gt i did a detroit i howled at gt shot on gt Child G.T. Legend. I was just talking to a Cash Kid,

and he was telling me that he grew up playing sports with GT. Small world. That's crazy. But, yeah, I mean, that's interesting. So who do you feel like, was there anybody that kind of helped you arrive at your style, like as you sort of started rapping more like that? Because I feel like it's sort of similar to, like, some of the DMV flow stuff that might have been going on around there,

but also maybe that stuff kind of came after you started rapping like that. Like, what do you think of the kind of? roots of it. I mean, shout to the DMV. I don't really feel like I got like a DMV. I listen to DMV. I, you know, do my brother. Shout with my boy, Luciano. That's my brother. Right. He'll do my brother. So and my boy Tttm dog. Like, it's a whole family. Allpe, Gungwick. Like, it's a whole family. Like, we really, like, fuck the rap. Like, we really in tune. Like, those really my people. So, I don't know. But there are, like, other unique things about your style too where it's kind of like you whisper a little bit more often than not.

I feel like you usually don't do ad libs. Yeah, I don't do them at all or you never do them? I did it before, but I just stopped. Like I'm doing them shit's like mid. Like my oh yeah, it's like my ad lib now. Right. Instead of me is doing adlibs. But is there like, was there a specific thing that made you want to stop doing adlips?

Because sometimes it does kind of feel like a crutch. Yeah, like I ain't like how some of them shit is that sound on my tracks. Like I just feel like I grew out of adlibs. Sometimes I'll be listening to a rapper, like, a legit rap that I respect, and I'll start to think about the ad libs, and I'll start to think about how dumb they sound, and I can't stop thinking about it. But there's some wild ad lib eras, like, the sort of, like, walk-of-flog-fok-a-chief-keep era where the ad-lubs were, like, louder than the vocals. That shit's crazy to look back on.

I focus with, like, the new ad-lib I've been fucking with, um, what is having shit? Like, you're like, nigger, uh. Like, I fuck with that shit. Like, it's different. Adlers, like, certain people with Adlers that stick. Some of them are not. That's why I just left that shit.

I see they was fucking with the old year. I just stuck with that. Right. But you feel like you got to keep, like, pushing your flow in order to sort of stay ahead of the game because you know that people are sort of, even if they're not directly trying to bite, that they're going to kind of inherit little pieces of it.

Hell yeah, I got to always update my flow, bro. I ain't going to lie. Like I said, it's a new rapper every day. So you got to stay on top of that shit. I ain't going to lie. Do you, like, would you say you spend a lot of your time listening to, like, new rappers, or do you spend most of your time listening yourself or, like, other types of music? I'm always running around bumping me.

Oh, my gosh, the brincer, big growl, 450, the y'all, like, shit like that, Mali Migo. Right. People like that, little dude, like, shit like that. Right. Definitely. Were you all, like, when did the samples come into the mix in terms of, like, Because that's kind of like the other part of your sort of signature sound. I started fucking with the sim was like, shit.

Like, 2015, like I had did, what was it, Drake? Drake, nigga, we made it. I had seen with the nigga we made it back in the game. Whenever that shit came out. Yeah, I sent with that. No, it wasn't. Yeah, I think it was. No, I think it was started from the bottom of one of them shit's either.

But, yeah, I had ran with that. I just seen the people reaction to that shit. I'm like, no, they fucking with samples. Right. After that, I just ran with that. But you actually made the beat or you just told the producer you do it. I just tell the producer or like you said Cache used to have that shit. You do that shit too.

Definitely going to get credit on that. Definitely going to play with them beat. Right. It's kind of wild though because it felt like using samples a couple years ago was like it really would make you stand out and that shit has become so fucking popular too. Like you were definitely kind of at the front of that wave as well. I don't know, yeah. Just got to stay flow, bro.

That's all I do. It's all I do. I don't know what these other dudes do. He's getting sidetracked, bro, but I'm going to be in that studio. How much of a social media person are you? Because I feel like it's hard to be an individual and to be, like, really, truly creative when you're constantly seeing what other people are doing on social media. But you stand out to me as somebody who's kind of, like, really got their own idea of what's cool.

That's like your biggest attribute They be saying The way I network When the gram was like my best skill I got so much shit So much music Like Oh man

And I got a big cult I feel like Like I got a good fan base Like they don't play that shit Yeah They always waiting for that shit Like I dropped the mixtape every month Like I dropped like 12 mix tapes

Right So yeah No I mean At a certain point I almost felt Like your name Is like almost like a meme on Twitter where people would be shouting you out so much or like describing, like saying that you're the best rapper and stuff, which like, I don't know, it's almost like it became a thing

to like show you love. Like, as if like people felt like the industry maybe wasn't giving you the love you deserve. So certain people on Twitter felt like, oh, we're going to like take it for him. Yeah, I appreciate that. Definitely they don't play about me. Like I said, but it's definitely been long overdue. They was trying to sleep on us. They was really trying, you know? But the real people knew, they really know, like, Shoney-Belanis started that shit, like, samples, definitely. You kind of have, like, a confusing presence on YouTube, though, because your shit has dropped on, like, a lot of different channels over the years, right? Is that, like, is there something?

That's what I just had to make, that's crazy. I just posted it today. Like, I just made my own official channel. Oh, okay. I had to just make my own, like, stop all those problems. Right. Only uploading my videos on that channel, Shoney-Belanin-Latin official. right because i'm sure you got a lot of fans of world star and shit like that but at the same

time being able to like click somebody's youtube and just like look at their videos with the most viewed or whatever it's like pretty useful yeah do you ever feel like or okay when it comes to the samples do you like have like like i heard you talking about how they mean a lot to you and how like you're not just using shit just because it sounds good or just because a producer sent it to you is like quite often and you going back into the songs that you liked when you're kid and shit. Yeah, that's how I do it. That's how I picked them.

I remember what I was, like, what the fuck was I doing when this shit came out? Like, nah, she was fired. I remember my mom used to play this shit, and we were like, there's be shit like that. Right. So, I don't know, yeah, that shit bring back good and bad memories. Does it ever feel like the sample shit kind of blown out, though, when you have people like Ice Spice just making it, like, so mainstream?

I'm not really shot out Ice Spice, too. Or, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you need a man. mainstreaming person that's doing a sample thing right that's what that shit needs definitely yeah it's just kind of wild to see drill being able to like be

that big you know like I don't know if I fully like think of it as like to me it's kind of hard to accept that there's drill music that isn't really at all about street shit which it always was now drill is so crazy that has genres this is true it's like Jersey drill club club

club drill sold you're soul girl right yeah it's crazy There's got to be a lot of other drills left to be had for sure. Oh, yeah. But, all right. How, like, kind of sick of the drill shit do you feel sometimes? Because I know that as somebody who's kind of, like, real early on a lot of the New York sound, that now that there's such a cookie cutter way to be a drill rapper,

and you see so many people just sort of filling in the blanks with their own nouns and verbs, like, do you look at this shit? Like, it's just kind of lacking in creativity sometimes? I don't know. Sometimes I don't even pay that shit. shit no mine. I don't even look at that shit, though, like, honestly.

I don't even pay that shit no mind. Right. That's part of being the trendsetter is that you got to you got to kind of. Tunnel vision. That's how you feel? Have you always been into fashion since you're a kid? I feel like that's another thing you always kind of push.

Hell, yeah, definitely. I didn't put that shit on it back then. Right. Hell, yeah. I love fashion. jewelry too you got a lot of fucking jewelry on huh hell yeah do you remember back in the day

you did this video with black day where you guys actually went to your like secret smoke spot I totally had forgot that we even did this video until I went oh for real what was the the deal with that like what makes for a good secret

smoke spot in terms of New York City lifestyle top floor that shit got to be top floor so you can look at the city, get the penthouse. Right. That shit is always a vibe, though. Me and my boys always do that because we used to be just getting high in the buildings,

getting chased out the buildings, and all that crazy shit. Everybody just started getting to that bad. Like, bro, we ain't doing none of that shit no more. About to go to the city, rent the penthouse. You're going to start getting high on new shit. Really? You start doing that early on? Renting penhouses and shit?

That's going to be an expensive hobby. Like, what do you smoke now? You still smoke blunts? Are you on the papers? We smoke the papers. Okay. With fronto? I mean, I just started fucking with the loose leaves, though.

I just got mad at them shit. Oh, really? My boy box, he got me those. You feel like those kind of like replace the backwoods in a way? Hell yeah, because it's like, I hate all, like, unraveling and all that shit. That shit is so simple. Like, I was rolling while driving and shit. And that shit.

Damn, that's crazy because I always kind of felt like backwards were just. just never going to get replaced because they just were on top for years and years and years. Hell yeah. But I'm kind of out of the blunt game now. I'm just been smoking splits, so I'm like not totally. Do we have a grabby? Honestly, like when the homies do come through from New York, I like smoking grabba. But do I see myself?

Like, so you just roll a plain J. I really got my guy who does it for me. No, but he just puts like the split from the American spirits in it or the tobacco from that mixed with the weed. But I don't know. I'll probably have to bust it open to show you my race. if you were really going to judge. As long as you got some tobacco on there. Yeah.

But that's the thing that worries me is like, damn, almost 40. Am I really going to be smoking fucking tobacco, like, well into my 50s? I don't know. I don't know. I might have to give it up at some point, but I'm not sure. Old people will be smoking cigars and shit. Certain kinds of old people. I feel like you got to have, like, a really strong spirit to be able to fucking...

But man, fuck cigars. You ever smoke one? I don't know. This shit is disgusting. thing. I don't think I'm doing it right. Yeah, it can be. You probably inhaling that shit. You're not even supposed to suck it in your lungs. You're supposed to suck it in your mouth and like hold it there and then blow it out. Yeah, you get you right.

And then you like blow it up, but that shit, I don't know. That's like really odd to me. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm used to like smoke ass to hate your lungs. I probably get old smoke cigars. Yeah. Roll big blunts out of the way cigars. But I mean, okay, if you've been taking cigar wraps and stuff in it full of good weed your whole life and smoking that, It's got to be tough to be like, oh, yeah, now I'm going to smoke a cigar.

Yeah, I don't know. Can't convert to that. Yeah, somebody gave me a box of, like, 20 nice cigars. I'm just like, nobody's ever going to smoke these. I got a truze. Yeah, you might like it. You still on the lean? How's that going?

Nah, I don't know. I was best off. You left that in the past. Hell, I don't do no personal league. I just smoked weed. When has that been since? Shit, probably like three years, now? Two years.

Really? That long? Was there any kind of incident that made you want to? Leaving in the past. Hell yeah. I was sipping so much drink, bro. That shit was fucking up on my belly. I ain't gonna lie.

I just kept throwing up and shit. I'm like, yeah, I can't do that. That shit is over with. Really? I tell you. I can kick a cup. I don't let no drug take over me. I'm good off that shit.

That's great to hear. Because, I mean, that's the thing about lean. It's like, you could do it, but you're going to have to stop. Like, at a certain point, you can't, you can't just do it forever. I don't know. I don't know.

My bros are that shit. I ain't fucking with that. Really? But did you think that it added something musically? I mean, at those moments, yeah. Hell, yeah, definitely. But now, like, if I was,

I don't even think I can see myself sitting a drink, but I probably would do that shit, like, again. Probably, like, if it was, like, a birthday celebrates. They got to be some ill. Something, I don't know.

Not no regular shit. Like, we're just pouring up some drink. Really? I don't know. I don't want to be sleeping. can't control that shit You know the last time I tried to drink some Lean that was my birthday

And we were supposed to go to the strip club And for some reason I decided to crack into a pint I was like dying Like had to go to sleep I had to go to sleep before Before midnight No I didn't drink a whole pint But like you know I poured it up on a nice little two

I don't think I even got I didn't even finish the deuce I was so fucking tired I think I forgot like just that like I was just like I'm tired by default From having a kid and just having to be like you know, up super early in the morning is like, I'm holding back on, like, falling asleep, like, a lot, I think.

And the lean just, like, made it click. That should be punching. I'm like, I can't. Yeah, I felt like an asshole. That's too strong. My girl didn't understand. She's like, we're supposed to go to the strip club. I took ones out of the bank.

Oh, no. Yeah. She was mad as hell at you, right? She was just disappointed. Like, damn, I was actually going to go out and have a good time. Yeah. I like the strip calls out here. You like them out here?

I mean, I don't even. He went to the home cheated. How was that? I don't think I've been to that one. She's fine. Yeah? As opposed to what? Like the New York strip clothes?

I hear it's a little different. Yeah. It's like a stalwartess is like, it's like a starless to me. Kind of. Right. I just always like had Joe Button telling me about how the bartenders and in the strip clubs in New York are so bad and all the dudes are just trying to impress them and all this shit and it's this weird ass dynamic.

Yeah. That's how exactly how that shit goes. New York is the bartenders are the most fireshits, isn't it? Yeah. I don't know. like I can ever trust a girl that worked in that kind of environment though. Yeah, I wouldn't either. Hell no, you're getting every cool dude in the city,

hauling at you every day? I'm good. Yeah, I need somebody a little more low-key than that. Now, but they be wanting to do some shit. They're going to see who the best contenders. That's what they were trying to do. Right. Yeah, I'm not trying to be in there in a money contest.

Bottle, bottle, bottle, water, and shit. Yeah, exactly. That's what we're not going to do. That's like that's how you're fucking up your financial prosperity if you just head to the strip club and just fucking just create like a war to spend the most money Some New York shit. That's some scary shit What um so What do you uh Got coming in terms of like your career at this point? What do you what do you feel like is the next

Next thing that you get you're working on you got projects you're excited about? Yeah, I got a project I'm working on right now I got two projects I got a mixtape and I'm working on my album. But my mixtape, I'm about to drop this month. That's why I've been back and forth in New York, L.A. and shit. Working on the tape.

What are you working on in L.A.? Like new tracks, my shit, my new shit gonna be on Wickman, Stickman. That's my next tape. Okay. Yeah, because I never seen John Wick, but I heard you talking about it

in another interview and I'm like, damn, I probably would seem a lot more understanding or knowledgeable. No. Oh, my God. And it's four of them? Is that one? Oh, shit.

I just watched the first Star Wars. Yeah, you got to watch that. I ain't gonna lie. You're supposed to watch that, too. It was like a dude who shoots people. That's what I got from it. It seems like he's shooting a lot of guns. No, it's more than that.

There's more to that. You're going to understand. I got a cultural blind spot. Many cultural blind spots. Like, not knowing how to play football. ball that's one yeah yeah but um all right like are there any artists like on any of these upcoming projects like people that you're working with that the fans might get excited about i can't even tell them that it's too secretive yeah it's too early right but my mix tape is just me

and the guys and shit like that okay i'm gonna have a lot of solos on there too but the album i can't even tell them how'd you get the name was shoney bin laden on shawn't no shonny bin laden shit. Kind of a controversial last name in New York City. They hate it. People hate it? Maybe he hate it.

Damn, you get a lot of shit for it. They love it and they hate it. Right. I'd be like, there's so much people with the similar name. Like, you know, same shit. I mean, to be real, like, back in the day, like,

right after 9-11, dipset were calling themselves dipset Taliban and all this shit. Yeah, exactly. And it was pretty controversial then, too. Like, they said a bunch of wild shit about 9-11 and some songs and stuff, but, you know, that's how we're going to not let motherfuckers control us.

We're going to take your name from you and just rock with it. Exactly. Hell yeah. You want to kill our people? You'll jack your name. We're going to kill you. We're going to send some dudes to kill you like 10 years later, too. Gone now.

That's a fact. They blew them down in front of his family. That's crazy. Damn. All right. Anything else that people need to know? anything you want to make sure they are aware of yeah um like i said wickman stick man mix hey dropping this month album coming soon uh follow me on the gram you know sb underscore bdz big dubs

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