No Jumper - SKG on Big U's Reign of Terror, Nipsey Setting Her Up & More

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

SKG (aka Suge Knight's Girl) talks about her time at Death Row, encounters with Big Ug, bringing Nipsey to the mainstream, and more. ----- Shout out to all our members who make this content possible, sign up for only $5 a month    / @nojumper   Promote Your Music with No Jumper - https://nojumper.com/pages/promo CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://nojumper.com NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today we're having a very important, iconic conversation. We got the one and only SKG on the podcast. How you doing? I'm good. Yeah, it's great to have you here. Did you see the clip where Wack was like introducing and explaining you to me?

Yeah, I've seen it. Okay. So I apologize if I said anything that was not educated about who you were and everything. That was just me getting familiar right there. Yeah. Yeah. But how are you doing today? I'm good. I'm good. I'm doing better.

Yeah? Yeah. Well, you feel like you got a little bit of relief since these charges came out or what? Absolutely. Yeah, I feel that because it's been a fight. Like, I've been fighting and talking about this on a solo journey, you know, going against everyone because, you know, big you is powerful. So when you're going up against somebody that's that powerful and everyone is flocking to him and you're trying to tell your story. and you keep going and you keep going. Yeah, it is a relief. Yeah, so it's kind of like an awakening

once this stuff hits the news and all of a sudden it's like a bunch of stuff that was being said in the shadows just kind of comes to light. Yeah, and it's sad. You know, when you really look at it, it's a sad story. It's just, it's a sad story

because everybody loses. You know, I lost. I lost a lot of stuff that he took from me. Ray Sean lost. He lost his life, his family. family lost him, Nipsy lost, he lost his life, Vick you lost because it agreed, his family lost because he was the head of the table. So when you really look at it and then the community lost because the community looks for community leaders to help and uplift the community

and uplift people in the community. So when you have something like this, it's just a loss and it's a loss for our city because we all had to go through this and then it makes people like, well, we don't want to give organizations any money. We don't want to do this for black people. We don't want to, you know, so if they look at one person like that, they're going to look at all of us like it. So it's just a loss all the way around the board. Yeah, I mean, when you put it like that,

it is pretty crazy just to have so much stuff that was said behind the scenes just coming out into the public eye. But just to get your story from the beginning. So you're from the Rolling 60s neighborhood growing up, or did you kind of adopt this a little bit later on? No. So to start from the beginning, I have a generational family from the Roan 60s. If you look at a lot of people in Los Angeles, and Kendrick Lamar said this, people from L.A. that's in the inner cities. We are a product of our grandparents migrating from the south.

And I have that story. So my family came from the South and the East Coast and landed in L.A. So my grandparents moved over in the row in 60s in like 1960 something. So we are a generational family, which we are friends with other families within that neighborhood and community. Okay. And so how much of that was kind of in your face from a young age, the fact that your parents were affiliated? I mean, so me growing up, it's not even the affiliation. It's the dysfunctional living if we can start. there. So coming from a dysfunctional family and a dysfunctional household, I was already born into that. And my mother told me that because I was crying and complaining. And I'm like, you know, you guys, everybody is just f***ed up. And she said it was already there. You was just born into it.

And when you kind of lick at stuff like that and make you look at things differently. So everything was already happening. I was just born into the dysfunctionalness, which included the gangs, the drugs, prison, you know, just all type of crazy stuff and I just had to find my way through that if that makes sense. No, definitely. So do you have a lot of memories of seeing very wild things going on from a really young age? Yeah, from a young age. So my mom, her family is from the out of the 60s, out the west side. My father used to run with a guy named Jimmy Lavender. They started the 90s Bishop Bleds on the east side. So my mom's side was from the west side. My dad saw it

was from the east side. Growing up, my mother, she was on drugs when I was young. And so my brother, who was from 60s, but he passed away, he took care of me. And then our father was in and out of prison. He couldn't take care of me, you know, because it was so much for my brother because he was young. Right. And so then we went to go live with my grandmother. And then my grandmother was over in the 60s.

And so I was over there with my grandmother until my mother got off drugs. And, you know, just growing up, I've seen all type of stuff. Our house used to get shot up by the VNGs. Things to come over, do drive-bys. My mother's on drugs. Her siblings on drugs. Her brothers is hustlers.

They in the streets making money. People's getting killed. It's just a lot. Things that I shouldn't have saw, you know? And I think about that. I'm like, you guys let me see too much at a young age. And nobody ever protected me. My grandmother protected me to the best of her ability.

But after she passed away, it was just me in the streets and trying to, you know, find my way. Definitely. So your brother was how many years older than you? My brother was like 10 years older than me. Okay. And so you said in another interview I saw that basically like you spent your whole childhood just really just enamored with him and just kind of taking his lead on a variety of things. So I really looked up to my brother, right?

I think he was just my hero. Like the older I get in, I'm more dissecting. He was my hero. He was everything to me because he was my own sibling. So everything my brother did, I wanted to mimic, I wanted to do. My brother was a gang banker. You know, he was from rolling 60s. My brother was a gunner.

He was from rolling 60s. My brother was a street dude. I'm not going to sugarcoat where I come from because that's why we're dealing with this today. And when you look at that area, most of the people in that area, they exhibit the same traits, if that makes sense. My family, I come from a family that exhibit the same traits that big you exhibit. That's why we don't get along. even with me speaking out I have an uncle that's in jail for murder for killing some kids and for retaliating against somebody to kill my uncle

and so he calls my mom recently and he's like yeah I heard your daughter's running around town starting stuff with Big You you know my niggas are killers this is how he's referring to Big You so I get into it with my mom in a sense and tell her to tell her brother to keep my name out his mind you are you already in jail for killing kids. So my voice is not going to resonate with you because your demons entertain his demons. You guys are alike.

So someone like me saying, this isn't right. You're not going to be on my side because in your mind and your spirit is right because you resonate with the evilness that he does. Does that make sense? So I'm literally one person going up against everybody, everybody. Right. Definitely. So what would you do like after? high school. Do you graduate? Yeah, I graduated. Okay. Do you go to college or anything? Yeah, I went to college, but

my thing was more so music. So I was actually locked up, so let's go back. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I was with my grandmother. My grandmother passed away. I went back with my mother. My mother got off drugs. I stayed with my mom for a couple of years. It was very toxic, and I was basically in the streets. And so that's when I turned to music. At this time, I'm like 13, 13, 14. I'm in the streets. I'm going to studios and I'm like, okay, I'm just going to try to get a deal. I got my first department at 15. Got a job at my Luther King Hospital at 16. I started making my own money doing my own thing. My first apartment I got was on Crenshaw 48. The landlord, Mr. Leonard, gave it to me. I gave him cash. I was 15 to have my own place. So I was always out here

hustling and grinding. I ended up going to Juvenile Hall. I had to do a year and a half because I had gotten trouble. While I was in there, I was writing music. And so when I got out, I started recording the music that I wrote in there, and that's the music that I got to deal with with death row records. Okay. So how did you even get into the view of Shug? Okay, so it was someone else from Rolling Sixth.

Have you ever heard of Keeter Rock? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got my deal because of Keeter Rock. Okay. And I want to reiterate this. Everybody that's from the neighborhood is not bad, right?

Right. Everybody that's from the inner city or even from gangs are not bad people. You have really good people. I have men that have mentored me, right? But then you have people like Big Q. So, Kedar Rock was one person that was mentor me. He was very close

with my family. Kita Rock believed in me. And he took me over to death for a record. Reggie Wright was over there. was in jail and they ended up signing me. Okay. And so, I mean, a lot has been made of how crazy the death row environment was, how much that shit was going on in that world. Were you privy to a lot of that?

Because from your perspective, I know everybody wants to know, did you ever sleep with Shug? You said that was never part of the arrangement. So basically, again, you have to understand a type of family I come from. I come from a family that was already in the streets, right? I come from a family that was all, and I hate to say it like that, but you have to understand it in order to connect the dots. The men of my family were already killers. They were already getting money niggas. They were already going out of town, hitting licks for $100,000, $200,000 coming back, whatever the case may be.

People knew who my family were, the men of my family, and they knew who to associate me with. So Shug already knew the background of me. They knew, and then who I came in with was Kita Rock. So I never got the disrespect. Actually, Shug was very nice to me, very respectful. Shug never mistreated me. I've never slept with Shug. Shig gave me an opportunity.

Even the biggest monsters are going to pick and choose their targets for their abuse or whatever kind of sadistic behavior they're involved in, right? Right. Do you think of Shug that way, or was your experience so positive that it's kind of hard for you to frame them that way? You hear the stories, right? No, Shug is not innocent. We know what type of person Shug is. But for someone like me, he gave me a shot when nobody else thought about giving me a shot.

And he never displayed that in front of me, right? I had a situation. Before I say that, though, I want to say this, Shook always had my back. And I have to think about that. I had a situation where I was in Englewood and I got into it with some girls from Crimshaw Mafia that I was locked up. with. And so I had just got a big check from death row records and Shug had bought me some cars, but I never had my license. So I was in Englewood going to get my license. Long story short,

I see the girl in the DMV. And I thought we were cool, but I guess we wasn't. And so when I went to speak with her, she kind of had an attitude. One thing led to another. We started fighting inside the DMV. When we start fighting my purse with all my money dropped. So they robbed me. and I wasn't going for it. So I ran her over with my car. Oh, wow. And I ran her over with my car and got my purse back. And I got arrested.

And Shug made that go away for me. Really? Really? Yeah. And, you know, I would. You got you a good lawyer? The way that he did it, I just went into the office and told the DA I wouldn't do it anymore. I didn't even really have to go to court for it.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So I think about things like that. because if it wasn't for Shug, I would have probably really went to prison or something for the things that I was doing. And he really had my back at moments. So I try not to say nothing bad about Shug

because I don't have that experience with him. I just, I don't. For sure. So when you start hanging around Death Row, is this kind of odd to people from your neighborhood? I don't think so because Keita Rock was already tight with death row. So Keita Rock already had a good report with death row. So he's really extending the olive branch to me as his little homegirl

and as someone where he's cool with my family to take me over here for an opportunity that can change my life. So I really don't think it was a problem like that, no. Definitely. What are your earliest memories of Big You? I think when he had just came home. Okay. Yeah. In what, 2011-ish era?

I don't remember. I don't remember. No, no. It was before then. Way before then. Right. And were you, were you always hearing about him? Like, as a younger person, just like?

Yeah, but see, I was close with his brother draws that got killed. Okay. So me and draws, his little brother, we were tight. And they were completely opposite, completely different. And so we had already had our own relationship as friends. Big You was more so in the age range of my brother and my uncles. So they knew Big You. So he was friends with them and I was friends with his brother.

If you see how the order went. Got it for sure. So it's just generational friendships. Definitely. And so with you being part of death row, how many years were you really around that and starting when? Oh, my God. that was it was early 2000s it was the early 2000s yeah and it was what how many how many years would you say

that i can't remember but it was the early 2000s definitely yeah and and the name i feel like that is probably a huge part of why the rumor about you guys being an item is a thing just because like somebody's name abbreviating to shook night girls like pretty out of the ordinary i can't I think of too many other rap, like girls in rap who kind of had a name that used their signers. But you know what? I think that I just reminded Shug of himself because he used to say that because I was so young. And so, you know, like he was like, what kind of car are you want? I'm about to just go get you a car.

And I'm like, I want an MC on 22s. Because back then I was the thing. And he was like, what girl wants that? I'm like me. I want that. And he'll, you know, like it's just little things like that. He'll just laugh. Like you off the hood.

You know, and I think that I just, I don't know, he just felt comfortable with me in a sense, but we never had a sexual relationship. And it's a lot of people who think that. It's people who thought that my daughter was his daughter. And I'm like, no, I've never slept with this man. Right. And Shook has a whole podcast. He'll tell the world we never slept together. Right.

I mean, I'm sure you had plenty of girls available to him at that point. It's not like you've got to fuck the girl that you signed to be an artist, you know. As many bad bitches that was around now. Right. No. Definitely. But like how long were you around before a left eye ended up taking issue with you? Because I heard you guys had a whole thing. And can you scoot this way just so you can be a little more in the mic?

I was around for a while. But see, I went to Mill Creek State Prison to go visit Shug. And it was so strange because left thigh will go, Michelet will go, and sometimes we'll all be there together. And I was a huge left thigh. I feel like I've always said that. the biggest TLC fan. But I guess that once I signed, I just became her competition. And then the song, let them have it.

We were both featured on it. And I got the original and she got the remix. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, was she just a total nut? Because, like, obviously, there's a lot of the stories about her that are famous or, like, burning her ex-boyfriend's house down and stuff like that. Was that just her energy?

In a sense, yeah. Because this is the thing. God bless the dead and everything, obviously. No, and I'm going to tell you why. Because, right, I've told the story about me and left eye. I told the story about our fight. I told the story about us not getting along. Every time I do that, her fans or her people come in and I don't want to keep telling

this story and keep offending them and they keep coming, you know, at me like, well, she's not here, let her rest. So I just don't want to, does that make sense, disrespect her legacy? But in a sense, yeah, like, I wasn't going for it. So what she was doing to other people, she couldn't do to me. And she knew she couldn't do to me because she found out. if that makes sense. Right.

And like your upbringing, you're very, I feel like a big part of why Shug probably took to you is because you were pretty gangster for a young girl, right? Yeah. I think I was for a young girl I was back then. I would assume, right. Was there a moment where the death row thing just came to a stop or when it was clear it wasn't going to work out?

When I became pregnant. And I walked in the office and I told Shug I was pregnant. And it was kind of like the ultimatum. you're pregnant, get rid of it, or you're not on the label. And it was so crazy because I was supposed to do the one else, the, I think was it 106 in Park interview that they did. It was Eastwood, Cricket Eye, Left Eye, should. He had his whole label roster.

He was trying out. I was supposed to do that interview. And I didn't even know I wasn't doing an interview until I saw it on TV. And she was on an interview with them. And that kind of like just crushed me. And they just felt like you weren't going to be marketable if you had a kid. Or he wasn't going to keep putting money into you if you were going to be going to be going in that direction?

Yeah, I just, I think at that time it was just like, you know, like I wasn't valuable to them, you know? And then it was another thing that I know that they were also mad about pertaining to my family. One of my attorneys, which was also Shug's attorney, Magic Johnson attorney, Angela Wallace. She had put a hit out on her clients and killed them. And those are the kids, John Trey. and Howard that got killed. And so my family, they carried out the hit.

And then my brother went on a high-speed chase for bank robberies, but they tied him to the murders. And so we all jumped in the chase. Police cars got hit and flipped over. It was just a lot. Holy shit. And so it was so much light on my family and myself of that situation. I just think between that, between me being pregnant and everything.

else, it was just a loss for me. Did this kind of kill your musical dreams? In a sense, it did. Yeah, it did. I went through a lot because everyone who know me, my whole life consists of music and rap. And I mean, I would be a young girl. I have people that went to junior high with me and her like Alicia,

remember, he used to be on the table rapping. And that was my life. While other kids was outside, I would be sitting down writing wraps. It was just at one point it was everything to me. Like, do you remember the movie,

Love in Basketball? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember how basketball was just everything to her? Yeah. It was like that would mean my career. And back then,

it wasn't a lot of rappers. If you think about it, you had the dog pound, Snoop, Tupac. It wasn't saturated how it is now. Yeah. So even to have a young girl

like me rapping, it was kind of like, uh, because it wasn't a lot. But that was just always, always. Did you keep trying to figure out a new situation or do your thing after that? Yeah.

What I did after that is I started doing events. Well, no, before the events, I traveled and did a documentary called Whisperly Hood. So I went to different states, and I went to people's hood, and I would question them and ask them things like, how was it growing up in their neighborhood? And I was working with Jim Jones, Slim Thud, Ferrell. so many people that I videotape, you know, making this documentary. And so I put that out. And after I did that, then I start doing events.

And then from doing events, I got an offer to go work at 93-5K day. Right. And then that's how I ended up at the radio station because I sold out the event with like 2,000 people. The owners were very impressed. I was a young girl, like 22 or 23 or something. And they were like, how did you do this? I didn't even really know how I did it.

I just know that I had a dream and I made it happen and I did it. Right. For me and a lot of people coming from the East Coast, you come to L.A., and this is kind of like more before everybody was just listening to shit off their phone and everything. But when I first moved out here, me and everybody that I knew is from the East Coast just could not believe that a station like K-Day existed. Like for people who don't know, they really kind of specialize in like classic rap, which I feel like there's more radio stations that do that now. But at the time, it was just shocking because there was on the East Coast. is just not really an equivalent of that.

Well, no, back then, K-Day wasn't classic rap. Oh, really? Okay, so this was in the early days, right? This was in the early days. And Theo was the actual program director. Do you prefer Theo? No. The Asian guy?

Oh, my God. Okay, so old school people would know who Phil is. But he was the program director. And then it was crazy because when I first went over to K-Day, I thought the radio station was ran by all black people, owned by black people. This is what I thought. Right. And what happened is when I walked in a meeting, I walked in a meeting with like eight

white men in business suit. And I'm like, okay, y'all, this is what I want to do. And they were just looking like, who is this girl? But I was so authentic, but I was so passionate. And I think that's what sold me over there in regards to getting my position that I was able to get. Definitely. So how long were you actually there? For like two years.

Okay. Mm-hmm. Definitely. And were you involved with Big Ewan anyway at that time or did that come around later? So I get the job at K-Day. I'm working with Roy Laughlin. Do you know who Roy is? Roy put Ryan Seacrest on American Idol.

That's Ellen Kay's husband over at Kids. Okay. So I'm working with Roy Laughlin. Michael Durbin, that is the billionaire, the railroad billionaire. He's an investor over at K-Day, right? So I'm working with all of them. Now I have this position. I'm in motion.

I'm doing my thing. I got a condo, salary job, two cars. I set myself up. Now I'm about to bring in Biggie and Nipsey. So you have to understand the play. I got the job. I'm already set up. Right. Making money.

Now I'm like, oh, well, I have a little homeboy and he's starting to rap and he's doing music. I want to plug him over here because I'm at the radio station. Oh, Big U was over here. Let me bring him over here because I'm at the radio station. I'm already in position, right? It was never know. It wasn't valuable for me to work with him to where I benefited because I was already as KG. He wasn't Big U in the industry and Nipsey wasn't Nipsey in the industry yet.

So my stance was to always bring them over so I can help. Right. Definitely. But was he trying to, do you have any interest in managing you as an artist or was there any conversations like that or was that part already kind of were you over that at that point? At that point, I wasn't really looking for a manager because now I'm going behind the scenes. Right. So now I'm transitioning. So now I'm learning the business. I'm learning the ropes of the industry.

I'm learning how radio work. I'm learning with mix shows is I'm learning with ad cam. campaigns is. I'm learning what advertising is. So I'm learning so much. And Roy Laughan is really who taught me my corporate game. So I'm right under this millionaire. Me and him is like this. He never had a black friend. I'm this young black girl authentically myself, not trying to kiss nobody ass. I'm walking in a room as myself. And I'm building bonds with people. Now it's like, let me bring them over and let's see how we can collectively win. That was the idea. Right. Definitely.

So, okay, at that time, if I had asked you what you thought of Big You, you would have said, he seems like a good guy, solid guy. Yeah, I would have, like, he's the hero. Like, we love BigQ, that's Unck. Like, come on. Right. Come on. If you want to rap, come on. Right.

Okay. And so then you start working with Nipsey after that? Yeah. So I bring them over. I introduced Roy Laughlin into Nipsey, right? I bring them to everybody in a radio station. You have to understand. I'm in a corporate job, even though it's radio.

And they're looking at Nipsey, and I hate to say it like that, as if he's like, you know. Well, especially the radio, if you're an artist, they're really, they have nothing, they have no use for you until you get to the point where your music is popular enough that you could sell tickets to a festival, keep, you know, Latino moms listening to the radio during rush hour commute, et cetera. So it's like, you could be a reasonably popular artist. They don't give a, like you might be a good interview on no jumper. You have no place on the radio until you reach a certain level. So it's kind of always people who are complaining, especially back in that area, where radio is so important where there's just like, you know, people want to be on the radio, but you can't be on the radio until you get to the point where you don't really give a shit about the radio.

But guess what? I went so hard for Nipsey. I used to have Nipsey come up to the radio station and they'll be like, okay, he looks rough. He's too good. Bullets ain't got. Like it was too much. It was they didn't fit in the corporate setting if that makes sense, right? I forced them in that setting.

I'm like, no, you guys are going to listen to his music. We're going to play his music. I don't care. You think, okay, he's going to be somebody. It's people back then I would tell you, yes. I went hard for Nipsey. Even when I had the millionaires telling me we can't. It's a liability.

We don't want them around us. No, listen, he's going to be somebody and I had them play Nipsey music. And I start working his stuff. And we were all in the car together because I believed in the team, like we were all a team. Mm-hmm. Definitely. So when you start having issues with Big U though? So I want to show you something.

Sure. Because I think if I show you, it'll make sense because I did this specifically for you. Thank you. Okay. So if you look, that's really. Roy Loughlin, right? Uh-huh. Okay.

And then you have politician, Bernard Parks. He used to be the chief of police. Okay. Down is Michael Durbin, the railroad billionaire. He was the investor over at K-Day. Okay. If you look over, Herb Weston, he's like a councilman, right? Uh-huh.

So this is where the problems come in at. I'm at Kadee and I'm putting plays together on the board, right? Okay. I bring Bikyu and Nipsey in. Nipsey on the artist's side, Bik you as a partner with me. Like, okay, he's starting developing options. I want to help him with it. So I'm talking to Roy Laughlin.

Okay. So we come up with this thing called the dream house. And so the dream house is where kids will write their dreams on the piece of paper and they'll put it on the walls of the house. And it's called the dream house. And that's like a nonprofit to help the community. When I walk in these rooms, people like Roy Laughlin who don't have black friends. He doesn't understand our struggles.

But when he bond with someone like me and I'm explaining what I go through or with the community go through now he wants to help. So we're at the radio station where you have accounts like bonds and Albertsons and different companies and they're looking to spend advertising dollars, right? So we came up with an idea to where they can put advertising dollars into the nonprofits into the community. So that way it can help the community. And then we can in exchange promote Albertsonsons, whatever the branding was, right? Big you had developing options. So I'm like, okay, BED, we can bring Vick U in. This is me again.

Bringing him in this. And we can put money into developing options. And then we can put money into other nonprofits because back then it was like Unity 1, Unity 2. It was just different people within the neighborhoods that had nonprofits. And so when that came to play, he just wanted to Bogart everything because now he's already in the streets doing this thing. He's extorting people.

He's punking people. I'm at the radio station corporate and legal doing my thing, and he wants to bring what he's doing the streets over to me. And I'm like, you can't. This is my job. This is my job. Right. So I'm not going to let you mess up what I have going on.

Right. And we had a fallout. And within that fallout, it was just like, okay, bad. We don't have to do business. He agreed. I agreed. So now I'm like, well, I have to find somewhere to move the funds for the dream house. I had a friend named Jeff.

And he had a nonprofit that was in another part of Los Angeles. And I was thinking about when moving it over to Jeff. So now we have a meeting coming up. When I walk in a meeting, Vic U is not supposed to be in a meeting. This is my deal with my team of people that I actually bought him into. But remember, we had the falling out. So you're not supposed to be nowhere near me, the meeting. We're not doing business anymore.

When I walk in a meeting with these men, guess who's sitting in a meeting? Biggie was just posted up. Yep. Making his influence now. When I already put a whole different play together now. Oh. So it's a totally different play. You shouldn't even be in a meeting.

Right. So when I come in a meeting and I see him in a meeting, mind you, these are my colleagues and my bosses, right? He know he's not supposed to be in this meeting. I let them know he's not supposed to be in a meeting because we're not moving forward with his company. his organization because of the way that he's been doing things. I'm not with it. When I said that, he jumps up in a meeting and he just starts cussing and going off. And he's like, let me tell you about her motherf-fuck.

In the meeting with my bosses and my colleagues, right, they row with me. We shut the meeting down. Now, I have these powerful men that has my back, right? That was it. I didn't see him anymore. Really? Okay. And so after that, weeks have had.

Nipsey start calling me. So this is where I got mad at Nipsey because I'm like, did you set me up? So remember, I didn't see him no more after this meeting. Nipsey started calling me. And this is probably what year? 2009. Okay. So like 10 years before he passed, still super early in Nipsey's career.

Right. So I didn't see him anymore. So then a few weeks later, Nipsey's calling. He's like, sis, I mean my posters. because remember I was doing Nipsey's campaign for him and I had all his posters. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to come through. I'm going through.

I don't end up coming through. He called me again. I need the posters. I need the posters. I'm like, okay, I'm going to come through. I'm like, okay, I'm going through. He called me again. I finally decide to go through.

When I go to him, now mind you, I still haven't talked to Bikyu. So I go to Nipsey shop. I walk in a shop. Him and Fats, they're out at the counter. I walk up, I'm talking to him and I just hear to click, click. And it was like I knew. That was that. I just knew.

It's like it's a setup. Oh, wow. Click, click, like somebody had a gun drawn on you? No, click, click, click. They closed the door. Oh, they locked it. Okay. So they closed it and then it was a thing where you can lock it.

And I just heard the click click, click. Okay. Once the door closed, you just know. And so how's this play out from there? Nipsey and Fat dropped their heads. And so. And at this point, because obviously people know that Nipsy and Big U ended up having this fallout that was mostly behind the scenes, did come out on records and stuff.

But at this point, Nipsey's still all in with Big You. They're like super captain still. Right. And so Nipsey and Fats, they dropped their head. And Big You just jump on me. And Bearclaw is with him. So the guy that's on his case with him, that's a part of developing options, it was him in Bearclaw. And so he just started beating on me.

He's like, bitch, you disrespecting me in a meeting. Bitch, you did this. I never stole nothing from this man. I never did anything that warrant for him to put his hands. hands on me. He jumped on me because I stood up to him and would not let him dictate extort or control me

and because my bosses and colleagues rode with me. This is why I got jumped on. Damn. And that's a big-ass dude to be beating up a much smaller woman too. Mind you, I was pregnant. Oh, wow. You know, and I just think about the stuff he

used to say like, you know, bitch, I'm going to make sure you ain't going to never be shit. And I told him I'm like, why? Because I want to work hard. Why? Because I don't want to be in a hug and f*** by niggas and stuff. Because I want to be something. Because I want to make something in myself. Why? Why do you want to beat on me? Think about it. Why do you want to destroy and take from me when I didn't build myself up? For someone like me where the eyes were against me, I came from such a dysfunctional upbringing, from so much hurt, so much pain, so much trauma, right?

Yeah. To where a woman like me, I'm basically a statistic, mother on drugs, fathers in prison, families, gangbangers. Why do you want to take for me? Why? You want to take and I bought you into this situation. Why do you want to bully and extort and control me in regards to a situation I set you at the table at?

You didn't sit me there. I'll set you there. It's wild because among a lie, like I just have a lot. like I just had a conversation with WAC where he basically like described why in large part things didn't work out with him in Big U is because he would kind of like introduce him to people business wise. And then, you know, like Wack is not the kind of guy who's going to like charge you to be cool in L.A.

But then all of a sudden he'd be introducing Big U to people. And then all of a sudden those people are basically getting finessed out of money in order to be safe in the city and whatnot. And it's like Wack said the other day he's like, this motherfucker. thought it was still 1987. As in like, you know, a lot of this stuff just doesn't really happen the way that it used to. But Big U comes home from prison and basically is like still living the same life that was a lot more normalized back then. But this is the thing.

I was there with him and whack. Wack was there with us. We were all there together. So I've seen how he did Wack. I've seen how Wack acted towards Big U. Wack was loyal. Steve Lobel loyal. These people were loyal when people talk about Wack.

Wack has a reason to be mad. I don't care what nobody say. Wack has a reason. If he wasn't there, if he wasn't in a circle, if you didn't have deal memos, if you didn't do stuff for him, if he wasn't affected, then shut the fuck up because Wack has a reason.

I have a reason. These aren't made up allegations. And I said this on my Instagram. A person that's hanging around a person for clout and status or being a groupie will never understand. a person that create the motion. We create the motion. We create the wave. It was never valuable to deal with him. Right. At all. Totally. That beating, though, how far did that go?

Like, did you have serious injuries by the end of it? Yeah, I had to go to the hospital. I was scared I was going to lose my baby. After the beating, I still went on Brian Hurst, and I had to take some phase. I fought. And he tried to call it all. While pregnant. While pregnant. Just to still be cool in the hood? No, because I was mad because he put his hands on me.

Okay. And it's like, what are you putting your hands on me for? For what? For what? I didn't steal from you. I didn't do nothing to warrant this. So because you can't extort me. Right.

So now we're on Brian Hurst. Okay, you're calling girls. So while I'm on Brian Hurst, another guy come up. He's like, where's the 10,000 you stole from him? I'm like, what are you talking about? What are you this man I never had a dollar 50 to give me What are you talking about And then the girls came and we got active

We start fighting But it's like why did I have to go through all that Because I wouldn't let you extort me Right So was this kind of like a one time incident Or it keeps continuing Like whenever you try to make moves in the industry It's kind of following you

It keeps continuing because this is the thing He's friends with my mother's side of the family So my brother was in the feds My brother was in jail when all this happened With me in Big You And then he didn't get out to a few years later So now by time he got out Everything then died down

Big You apologized to me A fake apology My brother and Big Hugh's cool, right? Internally I'm still fucked up But because I don't want to start stuff With my family I have to swallow it I have to just accept it It's like my feelings don't matter.

It don't matter that I lost my job. It don't matter that I lost my condo, my cars. I had to go all the way to Atlanta for my sanity. Wait, all this led to you getting fired and everything? How did that work? No, it was for my safety. Oh, okay. So I lost my job.

I lost my 401K. I had just bought me two cars. I lost my car. I lost my condo. I lost everything. Wow. On top of my reputation, my image, SKG. The music, the events, the brand.

He stripped me of everything, my dignity, everything, everything. And people don't understand that. For someone like me, for a female like me that really hustle Adam, I really hustle out here. Right. I really make moves. I really put deals and business deals and deal memos. I put things together. He took everything from me and I had to start from scratch.

Wow. That's crazy. I mean, it's such an uphill battle for a young black woman from the hood to be even making it in general. And then to just have people who are supposed to be the kind of people that are supporting you and uplifting you to have them being the one who are basically getting in the way of you being able to progress. That's terrible. Yeah. And then people didn't want to work with me. So I went through that a lot.

Oh, big you said you no good. Oh, big you said no. That followed me for so many years, especially within the black community. It followed me. So many things I couldn't get done. Do you know what helped me? What? Going over more so West Hollywood and dealing more so with, and I hate to say it like that,

but dealing with the white market. And that's just real. If it wasn't for that, I don't think I would have survived. I think within the community, I would have drowned out. But I start learning different things. I start learning different corporate plays. I start learning how to do different things. And I started meeting really nice people, you know, and they encouraged me to keep going.

And I just kept going. I kept going. I kept going. And then I started forming my own companies. And so, Bicke, you came back around. And I had this show idea. And he got in the way of it, I'm assuming? I let him do the apology.

And he came back in. and then he tried to extort me again. At what point in the process of you putting the show together? Through the whole show. Okay. Through the whole show. And by this time, Wack knows about this. I have to deal with Live Nation.

And read it. And see, I have receipts for that because I was going back and forth with Live Nation. Sugar Free needs 15 passes and seven all-access risk bans per his manager, As far as Indiaks, I'm so waiting on the full list. We just need a time slot from 8 to 9 for our acts. I have a stage manager who's going to flow our IndiX. He just did the Wiz show, which was a success. After that, you can map the show out how you need to.

At this point, corrupt may not come. And I fear from my life because his manager, Big U, has threatened to harm my life, which I'm at the police station now. I'm a mother of four children. I don't take threats lightly, especially when I have an event to pull off. So if we can please accommodate sugar-free, that would be great. And if Big U comes, I don't want. on him allowed in the venue around my red carpet.

So I'm trying to hire off-duty police officers. Sorry for the inconvenience. What date is that? That is June 26, 2014. And that's from you to Paul. Okay. Damn. So even at that point,

this was just like a constant thing. It's been a constant thing. And that's what people don't understand. This isn't one thing. It's a constant. Throughout my career, throughout my life, just dealing with him.

Right. Read this one real quick. I just want you to read that one. Okay. This is from you again in 2014. Hello, Paul. I spoke with Compton, A.V.'s manager. He's confirmed.

I paid him in full for the show tonight, and I have a contract on him. I paid corrupt $1,500 through his manager, Big U. If the rumor is he is not showing up tonight and I have a signed contract, I will sue him. Big U is making this very hard for me and is intimidating, extorting, and bullying. The only way corrupt won't show up is because he said he can. couldn't. I'll be at the House of Blues at 2.30 today. What year is at? Again, same date

June 26, 2014. So, yeah. I mean, I forget were you the one who's kind of saying the big you and corrupt have had this fucked up relationship over the years? Yeah, very much so. Very much so. I mean, he beat corrupt

ass in front of Snoop and Das and corrupt. If he want to deal with that and turn back around and say, my brother, that's not uncorrupt. But that That's not love. That's not friendship. That's not loyalty. That's not normal.

Right. No, definitely. That's fucking wild. So then we fast forward from that to this incident in the hotel lobby where you're getting into this huge argument with Big U, right? Is that, like, what year was that? That was last year. Oh, that was only last year. Okay.

It makes it a year this month. Holy shit. So, I mean, was this still just like a lingering thing that kept occurring? up until then? Yeah, it's always been lingering. Like, you know, just in the streets, just stuff he'll say to people. Just, it was just like, even me minding my business, he will subliminally bully me. Just, you know, her family's going to row with me. Her family don't even like her. I got her family in my pocket. It's just like, why? Oh, don't do business with her. I don't want nobody in the city working with her. Why? Really? It's like you stood up for yourself one time and that's another.

to make it so that you have to be intimidated and bullied going forward. Whereas, like, there's plenty of people that he could have chose to run this sort of game on, but somehow you just ended up in the crosshairs, huh? I think because he knows my hustle, like, I'm going to get to it, period. And I don't need him with me. He's not an asset to me. And you have to look at everyone that he was around. He either bully extorted.

They hung around him for protection status. That was never me because I have my own visions, my own goals, my own aspirations. I didn't need Big You, you know. Definitely. So that hotel incident, you seeing him was totally random? It was random. So I had tagged him and made the video saying that he's been bullying me for years and jumped on me and things of that nature. And so I did other podcast shows.

And after that, I think it was like two months later. And I was at the hotel at the Ben Crump Awards. And I was just minding my business with my family. And something just told me to turn around. I was standing in line with my kids. And I turned around and he was just walking up to me talking mess out the blue. And was this kind of a different attitude from you? because I assume you had just been so scared of him prior to this that you might have seen him and just sort of ducked off or backed away from the situation.

Was there something about that day that made you feel more outspoken? Yeah. And I think that's why he was walking up to me talking mess because that is what he's known me as like to be scared of him or not just scared but terrified. Like, you know, I used to be very terrified. I'm not going to lie. Like, you know, just to be a woman in that situation, it was scary. as the years went on, my fear turned into anger. And it is uncontrollable anger.

Right. And when I seen him, I just wanted to tear his head off. It's like, how dare you walk up to me? How dare you say something to me? I have my kids here and I wasn't scared. I just, in that moment, I just wanted to kill him. Like I wanted to, I get emotional when I think about it because I don't think people understand. Like, I hate him.

I like, I hate, like, and I said I wasn't going to cry. I don't want to cry, but I hate him. With everything in me, I hate that man. And when I seen him, I didn't have no fear in me. I'm just like, I'm going to kill you. Like, I wanted to kill him. Because you probably look at him and you see everything that could have been in your life. Just everything, just everything that he did to me.

Like just people don't understand like his son, Ui caught me and tried to extort me for my son. My son does music. And so I didn't know that my son was hanging around Ui. And when I found out, I went ballistic. I went ballistic. I'm like, we are not socializing with him. their family, we are not doing that. Long story short, his son calls me. And when he called, he's like, yeah, this is Ui. I got to call you because I need to talk to you about your son and my contract.

I'm like, excuse me? And that was such a trigger to where I just went ballistic on his son. And so his son caught back and he apologized. And then he was like, you know, nobody gives me a fair shot because of my dad. Nobody gives me a fair shot because Big You is my dad and they think I'm like this and they think I'm like that, right? And in that moment, I felt bad for him, but it is the hate that I have for Big You to where I don't want to socialize with nobody that is related to him. That's cool with him because I don't like him.

I know what type of person he is. I know the real him. I know he's a monster. Wow. Yeah, you probably know a lot of stuff that the public doesn't know as well, I would assume. Yeah. Yeah. Was there any, like, particular retribution from that incident in the hotel?

Did you feel you were targeted after that as well? I want to say first, shout out to Wack. Because Wag didn't know anything. Poor Wack. I just, Wag didn't even know what was going on it. And Wack had my back so much. And, you know, people try to give WAC a bad rap. Wack is really a good person.

And I was crying and he was like, I'm on the phone with the Bell Bondsman and he caught the Bell Bondsman, called my family, called my kids, stayed in tune, made sure I got out of jail. He's just really been someone that has had my back throughout this whole ordeal. After I got out of jail, I got a call a couple of days later that Bikyu had put a hit out on me. Oh, wow. And so a few people called and told me, but one person that called me was Moni Slaughter. And we quit being friends because she was going around telling people that Big You have put a hit out on me. And that was like, wow, like, you put a hit out on me because what? I took up for myself because I'm not going to let you punk me. Okay, that's fine. I'll handle that accordingly. You know, so it's stuff like that, but I'm not scared of that man, Adam. What, how different do you start moving once you realize there might be a hit on you? I'm moving the same because I'm not walking in fear.

I can't. I did that for years dealing with this man. He bleed just like the rest of us. His team bleed just like the rest of us. I'm not letting nobody never again put fear in my heart. part. Wow. I mean, you're an incredibly strong person. I just got to take a moment to say that, because, I mean, a lot of people would curl up into a ball and try to disappear from public life as a result of this kind of stuff. No, I'm not. I'm not disappearing. I'm not running away. I'm not doing

anything. If a person comes to me and try to harm me, we're going to move accordingly. I'm going to deal with it. Definitely. Did you ever have any further dealings? with Nipsey after that one incident? I was mad at Nip for years after that. We got into it on Twitter. I'm sure, like I said, the Twitter detectives can pull it up. After him and Big U got into it, I went on Twitter and cubs, y'all and told him that's what he get, now we see how it feels.

Right. I mean, he ended up kind of getting a taste of that medicine later on, right? Right, later on. I'm sure he probably regretted his involvement in that or hated that he ended up involved in at least. But this is the thing. Nipsey never changed this story. I can honestly say that his story was he didn't know that was going to happen to me. His story was he didn't set me up. Nipsey and my brother were friends and my brother and Nipsey hung together after that. And my brother's stance was sis. Nip did know he was going to do that. My stance was he did. And

that's how I felt in that moment at that time. I respected what my brother felt. He respected what I felt, Nip never changed his story. And I was mad at Nip for some years. And then I finally pulled up on him and we made up. And when he hugged me, he said it again. He said, I swear I did not set you up. So he never changed that. But at that moment, I felt like that. And I don't think nobody can blame me in that situation. No, 100%. What were the first things that went through your mind when he passed because I feel like now the situation seems so much more complicated and in some ways more clear you know when he passed a lot of people weren't necessarily clued into the fact that him and big you were having these issues and

now there's just been so much doubt cast on big you's involvement that seemed like a wild conspiracy theory at the time all of a sudden it's starting to seem like there's probably more validity to it? I cried. I was so hurt. I was hurt because he didn't deserve that. I don't care what me and Nip went through. I seen Nip as a young boy when he first came in his game, you know, and he really didn't

even need Bikyu. He was knit before anything. And so I was very hurt because I seen what he had become. And he didn't deserve that But when me and Nip made up that day I told him something's going to happen to you If you don't move from over here And he said, why would you say that to me?

I said because they don't respect you I told Nip that Other people felt that The day me and Nip Made up a fight broke out Nip allowed some different gang members To come into his shop Because he showed love to everybody

And the gang members that went into his shop was from a different neighborhood. They ended up getting robbed. And so they were like, Nip said, we cool over here, we cool over here. And they were like, no, we said you not. If you feel like that, you don't respect him. Because if he's an artist from over here and he said they were good, why would you disrespect his establishment, him as an artist, him is somebody that's from over here?

And I told him, I'm like, they don't respect you. Like, something is going to happen. Right. Even when people used to say they were going to rob nip, when he first started coming up to Kda, I used to tell him, like, you need to be careful. Because this person is talking about robbing you. Be careful. He'll be like, they're looking out says, be careful. Right.

You know, so. Definitely. When you went on Tasha K. What was that, a year ago or so, were there some repercussions from that where people were upset about you telling your story on that platform? Because it stands out to me also that your story is very historically significant. And it's kind of crazy that you had to go to someone like Tasha Kay who typically does, you know, celebrity gossip type shit. Because I feel like you've pretty much been blocked out or blacklisted by a lot of more mainstream platforms, I'm guessing, right? How I?

I don't even look at it like that. You think so? I just feel like, yeah, there's probably like a lot of other big platforms that this would be a valid conversation that they should have been interested in. And it's like she's kind of, she don't give a. She's just been saying whatever she feels like for all these years. And it's kind of like, I feel like now maybe like the, even me doing the interview right now, it's like, it's such an important story. And it's so relevant to like West Coast rap history that it's almost kind of a scandal that I've got to be one of the first people to do it. Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but it feels like a lot of people should be vying for this conversation as well.

I mean, Tasha K. And this is my thing, right, Adam? Shout out to Tasha. I got mad love for. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Did not sleep with whack. She didn't, y'all. Yeah.

Tasha, Kay, like I told Tasha the other day, a person could never come up to me and talk bad about Tasha because Tasha helped me when I needed. They help when I needed to tell my story. A person can't talk bad about whack to me, right? Now, I'm here on your platform. I wouldn't let no one talk bad about Adam. With that being said, I just think that I needed an outlet to tell my story. I needed an outlet for people to hear me.

me so they can hear my voice. Whether they believe it or not, I just needed the outlet to be there so people can hear me if that makes sense. Right. Because look where I'm at, I'm here with you. I have other interviews lined up. People are starting to listen now, you know, and I just feel like maybe it was just time and it just took some time. Did it feel like it was more risky to speak about this stuff prior to the indictment coming out? Because I assume like a lot of people who are maybe the ones who would be making threats or making life difficult for you, to some extent, that's their dude and they're going to ride with them either way. But at the same time, some percentage of those people are probably like, oh, okay, now we also are not living

under this fear. I mean, for me speaking out before like I told you, I was basically the only one. So I'm like standing by myself And it's so many people right here going against me with their leader if that makes sense, right? So now, you know, he still has his supporters at him, but I don't care. Like I'm going to speak out. The family of Ray Sean reached out to me. You know, I'm going to tell my story because me telling my story is inspiring other people to tell their story. And that's the most important thing right now. 100%. A lot of people have basically,

including Big You have kind of smeared whack and 600 Christopher Lovejoy for having the conversation publicly about this alleged murder. What do you think of that? Do you think that there's anything scandalous about that or do you think that's they were on the right side of trying to get this information out there? I feel like they were on the right side of history. And I'm going to tell you why. often in a black community, right? And I just have to be real. We are so quick to harm each other, right? As a race, so quick to harm each other, backstab each other,

and then turn around and beg other races for equality or get mad about police brutality. But if we treat each other messed up, right? If we're abusing each other and doing all this stuff, why would anybody else respect us as a whole? So 600 and whack did what needed to be done. It was a child, a child that lost their life by the hands allegedly by the hands of Big You. You have people, and I said this before, that are screaming free Big Q, and you have people that want justice for the child.

What type of person are you? What type? Do you want justice for the child or do you think a 60 year old man needs to be free that killed a child who family trusted him with this child? For sure. How did you end up speaking to the family? They reached out to me. They saw my videos online and the sister reached out to me. And at first I wasn't going to respond because I'm like, okay, who is this?

What do you want? And she was just like, I have some information. I really need to tell you about. And, you know, I was just like, okay, let me listen and I listen. And it was just like unbelievable. Yeah, it is unbelievable. I mean, just that specific situation. I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine somebody who's been in the game and who has as much

power as he has making such a wild spur of the moment type decision in regards to this situation. It's hard to imagine I'm having that little self-control. But I guess. But that's already embedded in him. See, you're saying it's hard to spur of a moment. If that is already embedded in you, right? What is he doing? He just knows how to wear a mask.

And it's not that spur of the moment if you've got to drive from L.A. to Vegas before you even get into this altercation. But he's wearing a mask and he's fooling people. See, who you are is who you are. Sooner or later, the light's going to come on. And we are in a time right now in a dimension to where everything is being. Unvealed. Does that make sense to you? We're seeing him for who he really is and it's people like me that Ben knew who he was. It was just a matter of time for everybody else was able to see for themselves. Yeah. So. Pretty crazy. So, okay, do you, what's your perspective on what his involvement could have been with the Nipsey situation? What do you think about that? He absolutely was involved in Nipsey situation. And people, they don't want to.

say it, they're scared to say it, that's fine, I'll say it for you. He was involved with the Nipsey situation. And I want to let the detectives because they're supposed to reopen Nipsey's case. That's what I was told. I want to let them do their work. And I just feel like if they do their due diligence, they will find out exactly what they're looking for. But come on now, you think he wasn't? Nipsey died in 2019. And he allegedly did this to Rishon in 2021. He felt untouchable. So when Luce Cannon puts up the version of the story where he got a call from Big You 30 minutes before it happened, do you see that? And you tend to be like, yeah, I believe

it. I believe it. And I'm going to tell you why I believe it. Um, do you remember when Luce was on a show? And then I think an attorney, it was an attorney number posted, um, a deceased for Luce with the video. Okay. I caught the attorney and talked to the attorney myself. And the attorney, she told me the big you just hired her for that cease and desist. So if there was never anything, why would you hire an attorney for that? Yeah, right. And so when they kept saying, oh, the attorney is fake.

I talked to the attorney. And I told her, do you know what type of monster you're representing? And then she told me, I don't even know him like that. He called me to hire me for this specific case, you know, for this. cease and desist. Right. So that was not a fake attorney. That was a real attorney.

Yeah. Because I've gotten fake cease and desist that seemed like they were cooked up on chat GPT, but that was from an actual law firm. That was from an actual law firm. Because I spoke with her. I spoke with her myself. And then I called her whack and I'm like, I just spoke with the attorney. I'm going to do my due diligence.

So yeah, I picked up the folding card. And even just in the last day, I've had a few people like sending me videos of fights that it seemed like in the video it was big years. and Eric Holder involved in these videos. Like they may have been closer than certain people have led us to believe. Absolutely. Big U was a habitual liar. If you haven't noticed that,

if you just go back and look at his videos and look at different things, he's a habitual liar, a compulsive liar. Even with me and his situation, he lied and said he didn't know me. And then after that, he started posting pictures of us on his Instagram and tried to give them a version of a story that wasn't even true. He's a habitual liar.

Damn. As far as the whole checking in thing goes, is that something that you've just known about forever? Like, is that even slightly shocking to you? No, because I did know about it. I knew about the checking in because he bragged about the checking in. But I didn't know the details per se in regards to how deep it went. You know, that's like if you hear checking in,

you're like, okay, that means someone has to check it. Right. If I go to Houston tomorrow, I could check in with a variety of people and maybe they even move around with me. And there's a lot of reasons why they could want to do that. They could just want some attention or clout hanging out with people, whatever. That's very different than the situation being like, no, you have to pay X amount of dollars or else we're going to make this very difficult. Well, I knew about certain rappers paying. I knew about that part, right? But I didn't know to the extent in regards to, I didn't know that if they used to, if they used to. don't check in, they get hurt or unalive. So when I say

the details, I wasn't too privy to those details, but I did know about, okay, this person, they have to check in. I just didn't know what happened, I guess, if the check in wasn't checked. It's like, okay, well, what happens? Because I remember sitting there having the conversation

with Lewis Cannon and he's kind of talking about them getting $50,000 out of Rick Ross and Mick Mill and shit just so that they could like continue to be out at some club or something. And I'm just sitting there thinking like big use on that like that's how you guys were getting down like I was so confused and now the feds have this all in the indictment and I'm kind of just reading the indictment like oh, okay. I thought that Lewis Cannon was doing some attention shit and just kind of making stuff up to have a viral clip or whatever. And he didn't just talk about it on my podcast. He talked about it even more on academics, this podcast.

But that was kind of shocking to be like on the podcast. As people think that I know about this stuff and then I get people to talk about it because I already know. And it's like, no, people are just spilling their guts like telling me their life story, which unfortunately in loose canon situation, it's like if this was a couple years ago in the eyes of the feds, that doesn't really matter. Yeah. You might as well have done it last week as far as they're concerned. I mean, at the end of the day, I just feel like with you, you know, I hear what people say, I've heard everything. Adam's a culture versus this. He's that right.

But when you really dissect it and you look at everything, at least a person, like me, you provide a platform. You don't hold a gun to people head and tell them what to say. You don't force people to tell you what they're doing. Just like I'm here, I'm telling my story. People pick and choose what to say. And unfortunately, sometimes people say stuff that incriminates them. And that's what we're seeing right now. Right. You know, so. Definitely. So you got arrested at one point for throwing a water bottle at him? That was last year. Okay. Oh, that situation in the hotel. Okay. That was a situation. But you ended up getting arrested by the end of that? Well, he pressed charges. So the whole

hotel wasn't going to press charges on me. What he did was a citizen's arrest. So he did a citizen's arrest. He pressed charges on me. And I was so crazy because when he jumped on me and he did all of that to me, I never put him in jail. I didn't press charges.

I was raised. That's another thing when you deal with dysfunctional living. I was raised to not go to the police. Right? So I took it. If I would have pressed charges on big Q for what he did to me, he probably would have still been in jail.

And I didn't. You know, and that's another thing because people's like, well, if he did this, why didn't you press charges? I was raised to not do things like that. Can you fought me? Fought my environment where I came from. Today, I would definitely press charges because I'm a different person. Do you have regrets about that?

Because the whole situation could have played out quite differently, huh? I do, right? But if you knew better, you would do better. I didn't know I was a young girl. You know, I'm a grown woman now. And that's probably why I'm not scared anymore. Today, I wouldn't let him get away with that. But back then, I didn't know any better.

If the feds called you tomorrow and said, hey, we want to sit down with you and talk about shit? Do you have any aversion of it? I would. So with that situation, right, because my story is so vocal. It is very vocal. It's on the internet. If it's a situation pertaining to me and how he harms me and what he did to me, absolutely. But if it's a situation that does not pertain to me, then no, because that's not my situation.

I have to let other people deal with their situation, how they need to and focus on my situation, but still support their situation. Does that make sense? No, totally, yeah. I mean, you don't want to be the one piling on first. other people's accusations, but if it has to do with something that directly impacted you. Right. And that's why I'm so vocal about my story because I want to speak about my story and I want to tell my story and I want to help a young girl who's probably in my situation and feel they don't have a voice, right? But when it comes to sitting down with the feds for someone else's

story, that's not my story. So how can I do that? Right. Definitely. Would you describe yourself as happy in terms of like how did you feel when you open the news or open your phone and you see that this indictment took place how would you describe the emotions i was i was i think i started crying i'm always crying but i think i you know i was happy because first of all i've been new about the murder so this was new to everybody else i knew a year ago um but it wasn't my story so i couldn't say anything and i promised the family i wouldn't say anything and i kept my words to the family So when I finally seen everything unfold, yeah, I was happy because I feel he is where he belongs. He needs to be in jail and he needs to stay in jail for everything that he's done to people.

Absolutely. Yeah, it is wild because, I mean, a lot of people are saying that he might get 200 years if he's actually found guilty on the stuff that they've already charged him with. Which sounds crazy. I mean, if he's 60, realistically, if he even gets 20 years, it's probably. enough for him to never see the sun again. Yeah, but he did it to himself. Yeah. Big you can't blame anyone for what's going on except for himself.

Definitely. You had a clip or something you said that was going around where you basically said that he was even extorting the food trucks outside of Crenshaw High. That's what I said. I'm like, what? I got a calling. They were like, yeah, you know, he was extorting the food vendors. I'm like, what?

Oh, so somebody just told you that. It wasn't like something you saw firsthand. No, it was someone that was a part of, I guess, some type of event. And now, mind you, I don't be at the events at current show. So I really just listened to what people tell me. But they were like, he was extorting us. He was extorting the food vendors and was making us pay all our money. I'm like, and y'all did it.

That's wild. I'm like, wow. That's crazy. It was a situation where I had a friend, they were doing a back-to-school drive. And he tried to extort and bully them because they were giving things away for kids in his neighborhood and he didn't approve it. And it's just like, what? I mean, of all things. Of all things.

That you feel like the need to get in between. That's wild. Yeah. Damn. So, I mean, I noticed that you have a security guard here with you. Is that because you feel like the threat is perhaps increased or what's your mentality on your own personal? safety at this point? So no, because number one, I'm such a person where I'm like, listen, sometimes I think I'm handcuffed because I just swear at this point in my life, I'm going to

protect myself, right? But when I step out for certain things in the industry now, I do have security with me. Number one, I went to jail last year. And if I would have had security with me in that situation, it would have turned out very different for me. In the big you situation at the hotel, right? In the big you situation because I lost, right? And then number two, I am in the public eye. And so when I go out now, I need to make sure I'm protected. And I need to make sure that I'm not put in situations to where I could go back to jail as well

because I'm acting as something if that makes sense. Oh, totally. Do you feel like a lot of people in the industry, media, music industry people are basically cowards because they weren't willing to do something in the situation or you also just empathize with them because you've been that person who is scared to say something at various points as well, right? I think both. I empathize, but I also feel it is a lot of cowards.

I feel that now that we've seen in the news with the Ray Sean situation, right? And this is the thing. I used to always say me, me, me, because it was my story. so this happened to me. But in time, my eyes have opened because it's not just my story. It's other people's stories too, right? And I feel like now that we have the information with the Rayshan situation, this is the time that the music industry should come together and say,

we won't tolerate this. This is the time that the hip-hop industry should come together and say, okay, we're not going to tolerate this. We're not tolerating a young black boy that had dreams to be murdered by a music executive as they call him, which I don't feel he deserves that title, but whatever the case may be. And we have people in hip hop in the hip hop community that stand up behind him. It should be nobody within a community that approves that or that stands behind him. And so that's why I say, yeah, they're cowards because a sensible person, a dignified person, won't tolerate that at all. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of situations in hip hop that are like that.

Whereas, you know, people, you know, I love young thug, but I mean, you saw that situation play out where people were saying free young thug. But also when you look at the situation that he was being accused of and everything, it's like, you know, even for somebody like me, it's hard to say free young thug when you're basically saying free this guy that is being incredibly accused of basically helping orchestrate a bunch of murders. And hip hop kind of runs into this problem

a lot because on one hand we all celebrate music that is basically quite often talking about illegal, immoral things. And we want our heroes to be free on the streets and everything, but at the same time, sometimes that is kind of logically

incoherent. With the Young Thug situation, and I hate to say this, I didn't follow the trial in regards to knowing the details, right? The only thing that I really knew about the Young Thug trial was, what's his name, Woody? Woody. That was really good. You're really going to stole the show, yeah. Right. So that is what I really knew about the trial.

I never really, you know, researched his trial like that. But, yeah, that shouldn't stand. but for Big You with this situation, it was a young boy involved. Yeah. You know, and even if it was an adult, older guy, that's still bad, but it was a young boy who had his dreams. Why couldn't he go to the NFL but your son went? Why did you take away his dreams and make sure your son was able to live his dreams? Why didn't his dreams matter?

Why didn't his life matter? And those are questions that we within the community need to ask. Right. Yeah, I mean, it's like a lot of us have kind of like accepted that gangsters are going to kill other gangsters. When it goes outside that, it seems particularly warped. And that's the problem. Yeah. That is the biggest thing, Adam, you said it. When you're part of the mafia, right, you're going after certain people, right?

Whether it's the Russian mafia, Mexican gangs, cripples, whatever the case may be, right? but we're talking about a young boy that have potential to go to the NFL. We're talking about a boy where Big Q had decades over him, the same way with Nipsey, the same way with me. If you can't help us, don't hinder us. If you can't help us, don't hurt us. If you couldn't help him, why hurt him? Does that make sense?

Definitely. Definitely. Where are you at in life in general right now? You said you have four kits. Yeah. What ages? Just curious. I'll try to keep my private life so private.

That's my right. Yeah. But, I mean, where would you say you're at in your life right now in terms of what you've managed to build for yourself and everything like that? So right now I'm in school. I graduate in a couple of months with my paralegal degree. Oh, congrats. And then in a couple of years, I'll have my law degree and I'll be an attorney. Wow.

I'm still putting out music. I'm also within the film industry. I just had a film that dropped. And yeah, like everything business-wise for me is really good. I have new deals on the table, new business colleagues, new partnerships. You know, that area of my life is really good. And I'm excited for what's going, you know, who's going to come. No, no doubt.

I mean, to be honest, I was kind of trying to stay agnostic on the whole big youth thing when it first happened and stuff. obviously you don't really wish jail on anybody, but hearing a story like yours, it kind of can't help, but kind of pushed me in the other direction of like, damn, this really was inevitable, number one. And I mean, yeah, a lot of pain was created through some of the stuff that he was doing. It definitely was. It was. And I had to stress that Big U was never an asset to me. And I think that's what people have to understand. I was as KG before he was ever

Bikkiy within this industry. I had my status. I had everything. He was trying to get in the door. Nipsey was trying to get in the door, right? And I want to separate Nipsey and Bikyu because Nipsey created a legacy, right? Bik you just tore people down, you know,

and nothing good came out of dealing with him. Nothing. And we're starting to see. the real him and I'm happy that the world is able to see that now. Did you scope that Big Sam interview or Black Sam interview from a couple months ago where he didn't really say certain things, but a lot of people were reading a lot into what he was saying in terms of what his thoughts on Big U's potential involvement with Nip might have been? Sam spoke so loud without saying too much.

We all know what he meant. We all, everyone who's seen Black Sam interview felt exactly and understood exactly what he was said. Yeah. Yeah. You got to kind of wonder how much he knew about what might have been coming as well. Yeah. Because, like, I mean, even just a couple weeks ago, Wack telling me about the Vegas murder, it was blowing my mind. I'm sitting here on the podcast thinking like, are you just trolling me?

Is this like, is this real? Oh, you found out a couple of weeks ago? Yeah, it wasn't that long ago that I found out. See, we all knew last year. This was a conversation amongst us last year, but it was nothing nobody can say because the family asks us not to speak. Right. Damn. So you would get a marathon burger? Me? Yeah.

Have you had one yet? No, I'm on a diet, but once my diet is over, y'all. I made an exception, but that's a good burger. I'm going to a lot. Yeah, I don't really got a dog on the fight, but that was a good burger. I think his family is doing an excellent job with his legacy. I think Sam is doing a really good job with keeping his brother memory alive. Definitely. Yeah.

Damn. Well, thank you so much for coming on here and sharing your story. It was really moving. And I think, you know, for a lot of people, it's like, I think this conversation will probably help humanize some of the stuff that's happened recently. Because, you know, to some people, I feel like they're maybe having a hard time imagining who the victims were in this whole. indictment and everything, but to hear how much bullshit you had to deal with and how, you know, a normal person probably would have given up on their hopes and dreams. So it's definitely motivational to see that you're still forging your own path.

Absolutely. And I want to say a few things before we sign off. Sure, sure. When I showed you the paperwork, the email when Big Q was trying to extort me in 2014, this is so important because I really need to give this man a shout out. I did have someone come up to that show with Live Nation that protected me. He came and he was ready for war. And because he came up there and had my bag,

Vic you didn't show up because he was threatening me to come up there. So I want to give a shout out to Bumpy Bars. Do you know who that is? I don't. I want you to look him up. He is a rapper from Englewood, Crenshaw Mafia. and he came up there. He stayed with me the whole night. We were protected and he was ready. And I can honestly say he had my back like to the fullest. And it's people like bumpy bars that need to be

acknowledged, especially when you're in a situation where you feel like no one is there to help you or no one is there, you know, to make sure that you're okay. okay because he was definitely ready for Big You. And because he was there, Big you didn't show up. Well, that's good. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. We got to protect the women in this industry and community and shit like that. It's kind of inspiring to hear that anybody was willing to stick their neck out for you.

Bumpy bars did. So I just want to say that because I want people to know that. I really want to give him his flowers. And then another thing, Adam, like how Wack 100. 600, 600 is really good guys in the industry. And I don't want to just dim the black community light in a sense of there is no good black men or good people within the hoods because it is. Keita Rock helped me. Code 187, hutch.

I came up under him from above the law. Del Doggrested in peace. He took me to Steve Harvey and got me my first interview. B. Brazy and Montduce when they were doing the figure where Roda's album. them. They were the first people to let me come sit in a studio with them and look at how an album is put together. Right. And I just want to show the men, the black men within a community that are, it is good people. Big Yer, keys from the east side. These are guys that have mentored me and that have had my back and have helped me, right? But then you have people like Big You.

So I just wanted to give those guys a shout out because we do have good. black man within a community. For sure. If you could give advice to a young girl who was in the same position that you were looking back on the position that you were in when you were in your teenage years or when you first starting to get involved in the industry, what would you tell that girl? Don't give up. Don't give up.

Your circumstances today won't be your circumstances next year. Don't give up. And I think people need to look at that, you know, even if you're not. you feel like you don't have anybody. If you feel like you're on a row by yourself, it's okay. Keep going. Don't give up. And I think that is very important.

Definitely. Yeah. I mean, thank you so much for sharing your story with us because you're an unbelievably strong person. Most definitely. Yeah. It means a lot that you're willing to share with me.

And just in general, I hope everything keeps going in a positive direction. And if you need anything, just feel free to reach out with me too. Because, yeah. You seem like an amazing person, honestly. Thank you. Wow. You ever think about changing the name or you're just rocking with it for life? I've heard that so many times.

I don't know. You think I should change it? No, I think it's cool. I think it's like an important part of your history. And if your name was Shug Night Girl, then you should probably change it. But the initials I like. You know, that's what it stands for. I know, but it's like, you know, it's like, the abbreviation is good.

But I said like super crazy goddess. I don't know. I've been trying to come up. up with different things throughout the year, you know? Definitely. Yeah. And I want to also say this because I just want to say this, Reggie right. We have argued throughout the years a lot because I told Reggie I felt like he was very mean to me

when I was a young girl coming up. Okay. But, you know, I want to also shout out Reggie with those guys because Reggie did give me a chance and Reggie did do some nice things for me. And he did have my back. So I want to put Reggie right on the list with the guys too that were mentors to me as well. For sure. Yeah.

I just didn't want to leave him out. No, definitely. Yeah, shit. Thank you so much for your time. And is there any way that you'd prefer that people get in touch with you in terms of hitting you up on social media or anything like that? Yeah, my Instagram. rapper underscore SKG. For sure.

It's simple. Thank you so much. And let's stay in touch for sure. And thank you for sharing your story with us. Most definitely. Thank you for having me. No doubt. Okay.

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