No Jumper - Snow Billy on Introducing 6ix9ine To The Bloods & How It All Went Wrong

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

Snow Billy made his way to No Jumper for an exclusive interview with Adam, as the longest one to date. Snow talked about the beginning of the Treway saga, his personal trials and tribulations, how he connected with 6ix9ine and how it all went down. ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jump, right. Coolest podcast on the world. And today we got a very, very rare, very rare interview full of insane, intense knowledge that I've already been hitting with off camera. We got the one and only snow billy in the building. How you feeling, man? That's a fact, man. I'm feeling wonderful, man. Definitely to be here. Yeah. For someone who I definitely, before I even knew about the YouTube life, Tucker, Amaya, too. I mean, Adam. I appreciate that, man. That means a lot. So let's talk about how we've come to know of. you to be totally honest, I really got tapped in as I started to dig deeper and deeper into the whole six nine saga and figure out who exactly got him tapped in with different people early on in this whole thing. We can definitely like go from there into everything that you've done previously in your

life leading up to all this, but let's just start with the question of how did you get introduced to six nine? Okay. I got to introduce a six nine. Shottie little homie. Okay. Okay. is a shoddy got a little homie who he gave to me years ago, you know, to get money. Shottie little homie, you know, I ain't going to put his name out there. You know, he one of them little homies that's just running street.

He's everywhere with it. Okay. So he ran into 6'9. He is the one who ran into 6'9 and then bring him to us. But were you the first person that he was brought to in terms of like this is an artist that we think you could help with developing? That's exactly. That's who he brought him

to what he was at. Not nobody else No these dudes met him This kid You know he He's talking But he's not putting himself You know

Too much out there But he's saying right But he's the little homie So when he brung 6-9 To us You don't know what to do with him Right You just running around

Cause y'all In the street Whatever y'all got going on You know what I mean But they brought him to you And what was the idea That you were going to do with him specifically, were you on the hunt

for artists at that time? Because at that time, they weren't trying to like amplify him into the whole gang shit, right? No, no, no, no. At that time, we was doing music, but we didn't have no major artists. So, but we had a blueprint that we ran with, you know, the BBA tradeway niggas. Now I'm saying, the older

ones. No, we had a blueprint. So the blueprint was already established. So whoever we applied the blueprint to what's going to blow up, we're already connected to the industry. I mean, you can see, we already have links. So whoever artists or whatever you was doing, if we gravitated to you and put that BBA blueprint to you, you was going to blow up. So that's what happened with 6-9. But see, 6-9, only how 6-9 was able to

get that blueprint is because the relationship he built with Shottie. Okay. You understand what I'm saying? And Shottie, and I tell people, they say, oh, um, 6-9 and Shottie became so tight. Yeah, they became tight because Shottie stayed at the dog pound. And I want to get into how that became. You understand what I'm saying? A lot of people don't understand that there's a lot of layers to this. A lot of dangerous layers. You know where a lot of the young kids that was around

ain't even know what was going on because they don't mingle with the ones in the upper top. Y'all are little homies, man. Right. So what was your status versus Shadi's status at the time that you guys were all getting introduced to him? Like was Shottie somebody that was basically like reporting to you? Like how was the hierarchy defined?

All right. Well, Shottie had to come to me. You did what I'm saying? Shottie is like, yo, listen, Mel ain't jacking it. You know what I mean? Mel ain't moving with it. He ain't for it. But I'm Mel big homie.

Mell is Shottie big homie. So when things ain't going right with them, shoddy come to me. Goes up the ladder a little bit. Right. But Shottie is my, you know, shoddy is my, my, my, My shoddy is somebody.

Shadi is Revi. It's like a shoddy is a lawyer. Like, I can't, I don't know how to put this, man. You know, I want to be clear. Shadi is, Shadi's official. He's somebody that you had respect for at the time. I put my life in shoddy hands if I had to. Really?

Okay. Shottie's official. He's somebody that you trusted at that time to do whatever it would take for the organization. Right. Right, right. Now, she's shoddy and half. They battle for the spot. You understand what I'm saying?

Mm-hmm. Because they both, they both off the chain. Mm-hmm. So it's who's more off the chain than one. But they together. But now, listen, now, being that shoddy little homie is the one who borne six-nine to me, that brings shoddy in the picture because that's his little home. Right.

So now shoddy and varps, so now it's me. and shoddy and half but it's me and shoddy but this is super early on and you guys are this is early on when no video was done nothing was done we're sitting in a towel band dian it out the homie come up with this kid like yo he does this he does that uh you know we're not taking serious smoking you know you hear this every day right right got a new rapper this guy's great yeah right we got we got millie he's bird gang i mean we got a million rappers around i mean like all right, cool, what he do? What's so, you know, what's so great?

But he had a manager, black Chris. You know, but let's stay on track because I don't want to throw people off. For sure. Now, let's go all the way back to the original dog pan. I heard you mention that. The original dog pan is on Jefferson. Okay. Right, that's Melly House, right?

That's the original dog pan. It's been that for a lot of years. Shadi and Melly, got into a bad relationship over Chris. As you heard in the wire tap, he talks about Shadi, he's a roach and all this, right? That situation put Shadi over to the other house

that he turned into a dog pan. Because he was over there doing some other stuff like fucking with the homie baby mother. You know what I'm saying? With 6-9's baby mom or somebody else's Because this is earlier Her name is Chanel

Okay Her baby father is Terrell He family block That's the homie though Shottie was fucking with his baby mother It was really, Revy on the low

But I've seen it You know I picked up on the vibes I don't know what everybody else did And I used to tell Shadi That's not protocol homie you can't fuck the homie baby mom's y'all y'allie Your relationship is too.

I know when someone's doing what, you feel me? Right. So that became Shadi home. You understand what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And then you got the little homies over there. So now Shadi is the, he's the goon. Now mind you, Shadi and Melly ain't seeing I to I because of Chris.

Mm-hmm. So now we over here at. Dog pound number two. Right, dog pound number two. We did the video at. Mm-hmm. So that was the outside of the gummo video? Right.

Right. Right. right now shoddy is that's shoddy was if it wasn't for shoddy to be honest um the person that owned that house wouldn't really allowed us to do the things that we've done or was doing it you know I mean but shoddy made his way in and he made it comfortable for us to do what we wanted to do it and that's how because six nine was homeless he had no way to go right you know the little a home he couldn't bring him to his grandmother house so where else he'll go go? He want to

be around the people, you bring him here. Right. You know, and that's what gave, that's how 69 got in. It wasn't, yeah, he, of course that's, you know how grandmother it is. So, that's how it wasn't no they

just became cool. No, they didn't even like them. They didn't even like them. It was me and Shottie who was able to Give him that stamp to say, listen, this is what you're going to pull up at. You're here for the night. And the relationship develop, develop. Because I'm not, I don't stay there.

Harve don't stay there. Shadi's there. Because Shadi is, you know, he's fucking with, old girl. And, um, he, um, you know, this is where he's, this is where he's living at. Doing his thing out of it. Right, right, right, right. So Shadi built a relationship with 6-9 because they was old. always there. It's a video on YouTube with Shadi is with 50 there in the office and he

say, yo, um, you know, we slept on the floor together. That's true because in a dog pound, we had the little makeshift studio and we got like four mattresses on the floor. Everybody's on the floor. You got three homies on that mattress, four homies on that mattress. You know, it's a dog pamp. Right. You know, it was weed around, guns, drugs. Everything is going on. You know, downstairs we had, you know, more like a meeting table. You know what I'm saying? But again, these little homies, they don't do nothing. The little homies is just what they are.

You know, and now you got, you know, the homies who made this shit. If it wasn't for me, this wouldn't be here. But let's stay on track, and now we go walk it through. So now that Shottie and Shottie got Biggs 9, Melly, I call him Biggs 9. Yeah, I caught that. You know what I'm saying? It's nice.

I like that. Now that me and Shadi got Biggs 9, because that's how me and Shadi took. You know, Billy Biggs, ah, everything was no, Biggs 9. You don't say, we say bix. So now that man, Shottie got Biggs 9, Melly ain't feeling it, but he got it for the cause CEO Chris wanted. Listen, this is where the things get different in. CEO, Chris, on it.

So now Melly is forced to get in if he want to keep the relationship with CEO. CEO don't like half. He don't like Shadi. Because these guys ain't drug dealers. Right. Robbers. They robbers.

See, Shottie already dead at CEO, Chris, on like 200 grams. So that's why Shottie and Melly separated. Shottie went to Maddie. Melly stayed on Jeff. it was still a relationship but it wasn't like you know because you did it you know what I'm saying 200 grams 200 grams of fat and all and that in 6-9 ran off with it or what not not big snob

shoddy that's how shoddy ended up that's how we got that other dog pair dog pound dog pound number two okay we're all on dog pound number one right but when CEO got involved shoddy do what he do and you want to do more but nah you did that get ahead with that right

now him and Melly relationship ain't as it used to be because now you're messing with the bag which is the money by you doing stuff like that you're messing with the bag

Shottie ain't a drug dealer what you go do with 200 grams of fentanyl you don't do that right right that ain't your thing wouldn't that normally be like protocol like you're out of the whole organization and somebody's gonna do something for you but Shadi was being protected

at that time, by what? Mel. Okay. Mel was the reason why nobody could do anything to him. No, but Shadi not, I mean, Shottie ain't going,

I mean, anybody could get it. Right. But in our circle, Shottie is not, he's loyal to male. Mm-hmm. He's not loyal to CEO. That's why he could,

him care what you and male got. He dead and chew on it, not I mean? Mm-hmm. But he's, he, he, he, Shottie is, Melly ain't the muscle.

Shottie the muscle. Hard the muscle. So everybody's a little bit in fear of them. Yeah. Except another crew I have. I have another crew. I had. You know, a lot of them is dead.

See, in the streets, you got to have, you have to play people against each other. if you got a wild batch of animals on this side and I don't mean to use the word animals but that's what we could be catarized in the streets sometimes at, you know, you got a wild bunch of hyenas on this side. Unpredictable as people that are willing to do whatever.

Right, you got wild hyenas on this side, you got wild hyenas on this side. Right. You're staying in the middle. You have to be able to have, you have to be able to keep both for them in check. You understand what I'm saying? Right.

So if this group of Hanahinas decide to flip on the line, then this group is going to react because they don't have no affiliation with them. And plus, both groups are very, you know what I'm saying, different. So now it's like, I can't really say I got to be careful. You know, like with my other group, Shaddy knew what time it was, because the young boy that's down with this group is off the chain, you hear me? and the young boy he, you know, he don't,

he off the chain, meaning like, he would have crushed Shadi and I'm not saying Shadi couldn't crush him. But I'm saying, like... He would have got it done. Yeah, he would have crushed Shottie. If he wanted to do it, it would have talked about it. He'd crush everybody.

You know what I'm saying? He's, he's, he's, he's. So Shottie was always, you know, intact, you know, with me because he know, like, I got a whole other group that don't even like, don't even like, don't even, Don't even like y' guys.

So it's important for him to preserve the relationship with you at that time? Right. For that reason, at least. At least. Self-preservation, yeah. Right. So now, as I was saying, Shottie and Melly breaks up, Shottie over here. Melly wants to get involved now because CEO is pressing him.

CEO don't know that it ain't Melly situation. It's me and Shottie situation. Mm-hmm. It's just how I laid it down the line. things turn differently. So now, CEO got the pressure on Melly to get involved. Milly comes on board.

Shadi don't really want Melly on board because Melly is threatening Shadi to put his name on paperwork. Oh, wow. Right, like Melly had come to the dog pound because the second dog pound have relations to Milly. Did what I'm saying?

So he had come there, probably come by some weeks, whatever but when we got bix nine he was really trying to come over because of the pressure from ceo chris was on so now he's over there more than so it been time they just be me and shoddy there feel me we putting it together see i come down i don't stay on the top i come down i don't i don't stay away i'm on the line so me and shoddy we did melilla come through buy some weed and roll out But now we got Bix Melly is putting the pressure on Shottie.

So Shottie like, yo, big homie, I need you to be here because every time you leave, Melly putting, you know, he going crazy, he'll put my name on the paperwork, blood, yo, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you're around, he don't say nothing. I'm like, I understand that.

But that's still your big home. You know, I understand. You know, we don't got to put no name on paperwork. That's why we go do BBA records and tradeway entertainment. So we all be able to eat equally. It wouldn't be no, you know, because now you're dealing with a situation with everybody, they just see money.

You know, we're not, you know, the little guys ain't worrying about this because they raping and they're hoping that this leads to their career, whatever they got going on. None of us don't rap, man. We're really in the streets, man. Right. And was everybody kind of seeing this as their first opportunity to make some real legal money? Well, not the little homies, the big homies.

Right. Right. Me, shoddy, not really so much. because Harve got a major lawsuit and he just beat the trap and he sued so he wasn't really sweat in the bag and plus he was fighting a whole case

at that time when 6'9 when Biggs came in the picture Harve was just beat trap you know what I'm saying so but it was important because again you know Harvest Harvest part of the crew

but how obvious was it to all of you that 69 was going to be huge at this point was the song polls with trippy out at this point? That was already, that was out. By the time that came out, because he got the interview with me, maybe like a month after that, and that's when it really started to feel like, oh, shit, this thing is really about to snowball.

Right. It's about to go down. So this is why I want. No pun intended. Right. Snowbilly. It's my fault. It's hot outside, so it ain't really snow, snow weather, yeah.

Right, but it's still nice. You still got the snow. Right. You already snow. All right. And that's the thing. You know what? And that's a little crew out there in Queens.

Right. Didn't Young Deasy? You just always said that? Snow gang. Ain't no money like snow like, or no, ain't no business like snow business. Right. That's a fact.

We bring it to the table. Right. We bring it to the table. We're going to chop a brick up later. Yeah, yeah, facts. Facts. But look, no, not just a regular brick, a real, a real brick that we're going to build a new studio.

We're going to do something legit with it. You hear me? Officer. Whoever's listening to this? Yeah, fact. You know, this is all entertainment. It's all entertainment. They know what it is.

You know what I'm saying? All these guns are props. Everything is propping out. You know what's crazy? I actually, I was just telling them before you came in that, I don't know if I was, I was somewhere, right? I was in, I was, I had to go see somebody, you know, because you know, I'm on all kind of paperwork. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I got parole, everything here, so they don't like me to come to the place, you know, because I could come in.

I wear my hoodie, you know what I mean? I got shot in my head, so I could wear a hoodie inside the building. But it's just basically like, you know, you know, so I comes in, and, you know, I'm like, I'm how in my mind, you know, off the, off the week, you know what I'm saying? And there's a, it's a big boy sitting over there. You know, regular gap jeans, t-shirt, new balance. So my own person I'm coming to see is like yo you don't know who that is Like nope like that's snow belly you know the whole six-nine tradeway jumps up he shakes my hand

He say um I love your story man I love it tell your story man So I'm like wow and you know I'm um I've been a ring I've been a rain I've been a rain federal court, you know what I'm saying? So, but just because I've been arraint, it's like, you're gonna, not that I was uneasy, but you come see your, you know, your parole officer, you know, because he's up there with them. That was the one he was also like, I don't know what I'm saying.

But you come see you, you know, and, you know, he's up there with the big boys and one of the big boys are sitting there. You don't know who I am, because they deal with all kinds. kinds of guys, big guys, you know what I mean? So he's like, you don't know, that's, and he's, he's, he's, he's with the sheds. But of course, you know, they'll probably assume I'm with the shit, because, you know,

I've been all, you know, due to the legal situation, I'm saying? So he jumps up, shakes my hand. He says, hey, man, tell your story, man. At that time, I'm still not really, you know, I'm like, wow, you know what I mean? But, um, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go speak on what we can speak about. right so let's get back on track with the gotcha okay so now we got big's nine in the dog pam

the little homies ain't really seeing this shit the way we're seeing it so I come to the dog pound I had a 38 at the time so me and shoddy we're in the kitchen and we're discussing how we go do this because at the time it's in a book I didn't put it matter of fact we had it we shoddy was beefing with another A little rap out of Queens His name is

I don't want to say his name He got dreads, you know what I mean A young kid You know, he was just beefing with Gucci man You know what I'm saying? Shut up Frenchie, yeah Right, you know what I'm saying So that's who

This is where the first beef started With Big Snide in the house We're on the phone I'm trying to calm it down, mediated You know, we in the dog pounds out I flew in the kitchen Like listen because you know Nobody's feeling six nine

Not feeling with what's going on Feel me? So that's when shit starts to spark. But right then the nils, when, listen, Shadi is like, listen, we got to do this right because, you know, he's tired of Melly keep running down on him. But we don't, you know, know that is boy, you know, pushing for the situation.

Right. So now, you know, you know, dude, I got to be careful of how it was being said and how it was being said. So that's why I'll take a break. Shaddy said, listen, I think we need to. bring new home remember melly ain't jacketing so melly and nuke got beef they don't see out of eye so now we bring nuke on that makes melly really want to be involved so now you got me the nuke half

melly is lit six nine is a goal but the person that's pulling the strings don't like nobody for me and Melly. He don't like nuke, as you already read it and indictment. And CEO Chris is the one pulling the strings at this point, right? He's like the main one that's like really connected to 6-9. He's the main one that put, that was the first one to offer the big money for Big Snob.

Oh, so he put, he's the first one who got him on paperwork. Or was it not even that? Not paperwork. Okay. He got him on. He was the one that was willing to, do it had to be done. He was the one that said, he got

the money. Okay. I got $1.5 million. I want the kid because he got the whole AP music. You know, that's a whole other interview about how a lot of these rapists

I literally watched him give $20,000 cash to for songs that wasn't even mixing massed just to have it. You know what I'm saying? Just to have them. You know, these other little homie, they ain't know this guy. You know?

Because he would never be a ran. around him. He didn't even like shoddy. Hard wasn't, no, he just ain't deal with Harb, you know, this wasn't, this wasn't Hoff to Phil. You know, so now, nuke around, you got Melly, you got, you got, you got Harf, everything's a situation. But now, CEO one of them.

So what he do? Come to me. He say, listen, I got a million dollars for him. nobody else can't make it happen. And I got $500,000 for an energy drink. I'm like, yo, the kid won $4 million alone. That's what he wants right now, $4 million.

And I have two labels calling me right now ready to get him out the contract and put up $4 million and $5 million. Give him the $4 and give me and Shottie 2.5 apiece for BBA records

and trade with entertainment to be East Coast TDE. And you know, this guy, he's worth about 50 million that was gonna make this happen. But TDE always had a whole bunch of artists. You guys just at 6'9 primarily at this point, right? Yes, but this is what they want. This is the image they wanted.

It's the image that, you know, because soon when they heard about him, you know, they called me, hey, what's up, what's up, the kid with the colorful hair. And y'all heard, you know, my man is worth like 50 million. You know, he's older, been on a lot of people catalogs. Right.

A lot of people catalogs. He was raised by the, you know, he's older guy. He's moving around. He's behind a lot of people about to be released soon. You know. He said, yo, what's up? Said, I got it. I'm ready to put it up.

So I'm telling Shadi, you, listen, I'm actually telling we got, we go get a kid to four and we walk in the way with five. We both take a 2.5. That's how trade weight. Entertainment came about because Shottie felt like, being with BBA records and being Melly is BBA8, that was already a conflict and interest.

Of course, the situation that was going on with Mellie and Shottie, Mellie trying to force Shottie, though, put his name on the paperwork. So that was a no-go. And Shottie wasn't filling mail because of CEO Chris movement. Right. Remember, they wasn't getting no money behind that. Right. That's why Shottie just got them charges.

So what happens to this label offer, or this offer to sign up? CEO Chris When he came in me with the 1.5 I turned it down I said yo I can't take that because the kid won't fall Right And he wanted to do he had $500,000 for

Energy drink And he had a million dollars cash For To sign him to AP I turned it down Shottie Bat And Melly

Big Snine Went for the goal So they sort of left you behind there and then went and did this deal. No, they didn't do the deal. Oh. Once he presented Melly with the deal, Melly flipped.

You know, we're about to get a million dollars now. Not tomorrow, because he had the money tangible. So immediately, I'm not feeling it. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, nah, this can't go down like this. I'm denying it. And y'all just taking it because it's a very, not even knowing the catch.

So I walks away from it. He puts the, you know, he, um, put the pressure on Melly. Milly gets to let a gate to the people. So this will be working with. We got to get the homie out the way. Because at the time, now this is later on. Once, now we didn't get into the park. At first, I didn't know all the stuff with Big Snide,

the rape. The telling. I didn't know none of this. Right. I didn't know this later. You know what I mean? For a month, we was going through the struggle. When I found out, I said, whoa, we can't do this like this.

But now I got a lot of people contacting me now, saying, yo, you're the big homie, niggas. So you had people looking at you, like you were fucking with the image of the gang itself. Right. Now, they calling me like, yo, what's up? you know I'm like but they're like yo boy I didn't know he was I didn't know he had these things so

when I found out I'm like yo we can't do this like this but it was already done the promo video was done he you know it was already done it's like yo what's up

yo bigger than this you know what I'm saying like we can't we can't push that man we can't do that that's not we understand the money is great and is whatever, but not under this umbrella for many reasons.

But they don't think. Oh, but this is where it gets interesting, no interest in that when I say this because I remember me and Shadi having a conversation and he like, oh, blah, please don't let this be another burg gang situation. And I'm like, your homie, he ain't going to be that. About that, does he just mean have a lot of hype behind it and then break up before anything's really been able to be made out of it? Right.

just whaling out, like all of trouble. This is why it bugs me out that all this happened because I had this conversation with Shadi. We set up nights and you asking me, blood, don't let this become another burgundy situation. I wasn't around for that error.

As you know, I was serving time for the homicides. So I wasn't, I was away. So I heard about the error and I heard what was going on from where I was at, but I wasn't there to visualizing it. You know what I'm saying? And so, but I can understand, I guess, what was going on.

I heard. So I'm like, yo, it ain't going to be that. So that's why I don't know how it became that, because we talked about this already. Even though I'm out the way now, because I got shot immediately, I went to jail. I went to Ragazan. I was gone. What year did you go in? Oh, my got shot, January 20 of 2018.

Oh, okay. So it was right after, it was before everything took up, I was going. That's why nobody seen me. I was already. I was on Rackazan. I'm watching all this from Rackazan. So because the story. The storylines that have been put out there is that either Snowbilly left the whole 6-9 operation because you were sort of offended by the way that he was being presented as if he was like a real member of the gang or that you sort of took off because you were basically just not happy with the business side of things.

But in reality, did the fact that you got locked up at that time play a huge role in it? Right. I was, I had legal issues at the time. I had a warrant and I got handcuffed immediately. I shot, made it to where I made it to on foot, put the handcuffs and shackles on me right there. Before I had the IVs in me, I already had handcuffs and shackles on me.

Wow. Before I even had a brace on my neck and any bandages, I was already handcuffed, legs and arms to the gurney. Right. They worked like that. Wow. So now I'm in jail watching all this buffooning

and we take place I'm going. So now, now, And that's how all the beef. At first, the beef was there between these two. Because the beef wasn't never really with. Remember the beef, I'm talking about Cass Nova. The beef wasn't never really with Big Snob and Cass. It was always with Shottie Hall and Cass.

And I mentioned it in this book right here. Very much earlier before the reading, 69 shots. And we hear, no jumper. We talked about this a year ago, man. I love you, man. Yo, I love you, man. I really do, man. And it ain't about a podcast.

It's about just you, man. Like, world, you know, like, it's like I talked to Star. The Star called me yesterday. Say, yo, like, cop movie, what are you doing? What's going on? You know, because, you know, we had some things going on before they shut everything down with the carnivating everything, whatever this thing is going on.

Right. You know, and I said, yo, we work, and let's get it. You know, we go start producer for the movie. We'll start the production. When I get back, you start this, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I didn't, like I said, I didn't know too much about the whole YouTube thing. And then when I really, you know,

See you just, he's a rock star. He's a rock star. He's a rock star, man. But let's stay on track. What is that on? You getting locked up. Okay, I'm gone. Now, Shadi got the situation.

Nobody can't say nothing to Shadi. So you would have stayed involved. You would not have just exited out of that situation. It was 100% because you got locked up. Okay. Right. And I would have, even though I sat on a podcast, and this is the beep between me and 6'9,

Because I did, I mentioned, I said, y'all, I'm not, I had the statement, I'm not fucking with the rainbow head. Okay. I'm not, that's the, I mean. Like, I'm not, I'm not moving with that, with that movement if it's going to be like this. And he took offense to it. So he already flipped. He took offense to that. And they're already in his air.

He's promising the world. You know what I mean? He's promising anybody, everything. And they gained for it. Right. So now, when it comes to time, like, yo, listen, homie ain't jacking him. We getting offered the money. Bix already like, he's with it.

Take the homie out. Remove him. But I already knew this. That's why I wanted to talk. Like, yo, let me talk to you, boy. Because you run around here talking about you, you ready to remove the big homie. You're a kid. Yeah.

But you got these dudes fool. because now you never wanted to be this. You did what I'm saying? You didn't want to be this. Because you had a vision for his career that was going to be a lot more punk rock, not necessarily relying on this blood gangster image. You know, I'm going Disney with it. I'm going Disney.

Which is ultimately basically what happened to him anyway. Right. Because now he's been forced into it. Right. He's been forced into it. I was going Disney Nickelone from the door, though. Like I wasn't going this route because I understood the creativity behind it. it's too high for these guys on this level.

But see, that's always the question of how this conversation with a few people recently is like how far would his career have gone if he looked like a Hispanic kid with some weird hair dye and some tattoos on his face because let's be real, at the end of the day, street shit holds a lot of weight in hip hop.

If you're on the block with 100 guys and bandanas in Brooklyn, every single person is going to look at that and be drawn to the authenticity of it, be drawn to the danger of it. They realize, that like in reality is that you can't have a hundred dudes with red rags

in Brooklyn without attracting a bulkload of police attention and a fuckload of attention from other games. Somebody's going to do something to you if you are not allowed to be doing that. So it makes everybody pay attention. That's right. That's right. So now that I'm out the way

shoddy is, like it been listen, there been times where Big Snott didn't even want to go in the club. I had to hold his hand one time. I had to hold his hand. I put the video up, but I had to hold his hand. Like, yo, come on. Because he wasn't...

I don't notice. I don't notice this kid who, now. This kid, that's... I don't know him. I know the kid who had to have walking to the stage. That's the kid I know. For one of his early shows, or when was this? When we was doing walkthroughs. Okay. When we was doing a walkthroughs at Starlets and

these New York New York City strip clubs, you know, when we're pulling up in its attention because we got the Rainbow Head kid with us. It's a tension when you're pulling up. You were a whole bunch of real street dudes that's really, really out there.

You know, and you're walking up in the strip club with them. One time that kid from Power, Dre, he was in our section, and we went over there and he looked so scared, man. He got up and moved, and I felt kind of bad because if I'm like, yo, it ain't need that type of party. We just, you know, we're just deep because,

you know, we're doing this, we're pushing this artist right now. So we got to give them a lot. that image. We got to give him that look of power. You know what I'm saying? And he moved out the way. Especially in Brooklyn in that whole strip club scene and everything. It's like, because when you leave, you know, it's different. It's a flex-a-thon. It's like everybody's competing on a whole bunch of different shit.

It's serious. So now we in the club with him, right? You see some of the videos. I posted it. Because when them guys said, I said, let me post the video. I might be it next to him on the video. Me, say go him. What do you think? They couldn't walk him through them clubs. These guys don't know these you're dealing with real live old school homies, man. They're calling your big, they call yo, what's up? But

with respect and I'm like, listen this is what it is. It's a goal until I found out, yo, oh, yo, time to call a meeting. It's probably, my homie. This is what we doing. Anybody went against me. I said,

y'all can't do it like this, man. This ain't going to make it right here. But the meeting you're referring too is bringing up his assault charges right bringing up bringing up what's going on why wasn't this talked about four months ago why this wasn't talked about five months ago why got hit this because my now everything's already finished now it's done he's in a loop so they played the game to keep it quiet and to that point now he's in anything lit shoddy is loving it but this is his thing he likes the drama see he was whaling out through the whole joint

right he's whaling everywhere Manhattan you feel me this is this this this this is what he's with me I'm like yo listen this can't go like this you feel me right but now it ain't shoddy for

it's Biggs 9 because Biggs 9 is also flip it like he got these dudes minds going now because they think they think in the big money and now they don't know mail in the street of the agenda with CEO.

So now mail get to bring it to the table, yo, we get in the bag. They're giving Biggs nine, nothing.

What are you going to get? And this is before he signed a 10K? This is, no, he was signed a 10K. Oh, okay. Listen, 10K ain't

want to get no money, yo. Read it. He didn't lie. He said, yo, I wasn't promoting that. Biggs ain't

have no money when I met him. He didn't have nothing. I got a picture. It's show you now. You got a BB belt on with some, I don't know what kind of jacket. A Tommy Hill figure jacket.

He was dead pop. I put that Gomo video that tuck him there. That's when the phone calls came. By himself, he didn't have nothing. And the little homies ain't worrying about nothing because they're trying to get their rap careers on. They ain't worrying about the business side of this thing here. They don't know the players that was behind the layers of this thing here.

They're lucky to even be resisting. Because things could have got dirty because of the hands that was involved. So after that now, I'm out the way. Shadi got Biggs 9. He applying the blueprint. I taught him over all the years, followed protocol, we tomorrow, and I could break that down. And this is what the world wanted to hear, especially dudes in best style. They say, you never say nothing.

You always be behind the scenes. And I say that's just how I am. I had a poster boy for many years. There's no need to see me. You see him. That's the ultimate role, really, is like to get the young, hot artists and be able to set back and not have to be all in the shit. Right. I don't want to, no, I don't, no, look at him.

He's a rapper. Mell is a rap. Everybody know who I am. They know if you're from Best Style, you know me. But now we got to that point about 6'9, and now, um, shoddy began to push nuke out the way, half. And it's just him and Melly. But he's also going to push Melly out the way eventually, too. But just not right now, because, again, that's his big homie.

And he's lawyer to mail to some degree. He is loyal to him. Harvin Shadi's lawyer to mail. You know what I mean? Like, really. So he ain't going to do but so much. But Shadi don't really give too fucks too much about Harb because them two battled for the top spot when it come to being a muscle.

You know? So do you think that six nine really even perceived any of the people involved in this as being closer to him than somebody else or do you think that it was all Everybody involved was basically just people that he was using to get wherever he thought he was going because then he he executed his master plan right before the federal indictment actually came out where he just said hey fuck everybody I'm out I'm not fucking with this shit no more But that's not what he really planned because he really had genuine love for Hall because remember Hall popped on trippy red for him right I was there at the hotel Right. You know, he grew, he started to realize Shadi move. Then he gravitated to Hav. Because now Shadi is starting to be more of what I would have been doing.

Right. He's out there now. He's trying to make the connects. Hav is on a set. Havre the muscle. So now once Shadi get to manipulate where he can manipulate, he eventually is going to remove Hav. Of course, he's under Melly.

If you had been really in the role that Shadi ultimately ended up inhabiting, things would have been a lot different in the sense that, you know, Shadi's shooting at people on camera and shit. He's doing a lot. But this is his behavior. And he's younger. And he doesn't. Yes, he don't, he don't, he's a wild boy. I know, I'll be with him. You know, I talk, I have to talk about a lot of things.

Right. You know, he's, he's out of control. Because Shottie made his name by being a motherfucker who wasn't scared to do all his shit. Shit, yeah. Right, he's, he's, he's, but you know, Wrae brazen, and these is my, you know, these, these is my, you know, these is my, you know what I mean? These are my guys, man.

You need a guy like that on the team, but you don't want a guy like that in charge, right? Look, this is real, this is real, really badass, trade weight, Jack boys, AP. We could break down the whole, the whole breakdown, because later on you're going to see who, who's in charge? Roe. Roe and CEO is this right? Right

CEO want to remove Melly now because Melly can't do nothing. He can't get Vicks. It's crazy, bro. Right. Chris is plotting to remove Melly because now he got Rowe. I put him in Roe together.

I didn't know Roe calling from jail him in Roe. So now Roe coming home with this fake status is what's making. things look more prosperous for Takashi because who you seen Takashi would afterwards it was Roe because I'm out the way, Harb out the way

Shadi will slowly push him out the way Roe and Shottie is from the same block they're from Crown Heights from the same block that's like his cousin that's why you see Row and Shai together in the pitches. Biggs 9 because now Shottie next to Roe got this fake street status

Shottie can move the way he need to move right. Especially now Now he's pushing his big homie out the way because now he know CEO got his hands in it. Shottie and CEO ain't cool. But for the money, shoddy and fuck with him.

But the money got to be there. And he only going to get butt so far because Melly is in the middle. When you say they were pushing Mel out of the whole thing, do you think that there was a risk of something really happening to him? Or would they just trying to take him out of it being involved with it on any kind of business level? Once Shottie realized that

What's you going to say that again? Like with Mel, when you said that they were trying to remove Mel from the whole situation, is that basically you're saying that somebody was going to kill him or is that just saying they just did not want him to necessarily be involved with the whole business side of things? No, Shottie would have killed Mel. For the right price, yeah, hell yeah, he didn't kill Mel.

Right. Yeah, especially now being that he had a little taste of this lifestyle, you know, but see, CEO. was playing with that money. Remember, he was using the strings. I can say, like, I've been with him for a long time. I know CEO. I've been in some places with him. You know,

I don't want to put, it's a lot. That's why I don't want to put too much. I want to try to stay on track much as possible. I know we're having a good vibe right now. You know, for real. And it's like, I don't want to lose you because it's big. That's why people don't know what to do with it. Right. It's like, you know, the story is really huge and have a lot of layers. Yes. but now that Shadi is already

doing the sneaky stealing and CEO playing with that money Shottie wanted to remove him out the way he could remove him down because he's he got Roe now and Roe and CEO is like this so now CEO's promising

row the bag and Roe is Shottie cousin that's why at the end you start seeing them together feel me and that's how it Remember, I'm gone, but I'm watching everything from Rackazan, like this. You know, the homies is waking me up.

I'm like, yo, listen, you know, this is what's going on. And lucky I am who I am because I could have been fooled. Right. You know, I'm an old set. I'm on Rackazan. You got a lot of the young bloods, but I'm like, okay, we got this thing we call Blaz and Billies, you know, is the billies and the sex money murders. Uh-huh.

And there's a lot of sex money. You know, the billies is an old set, but the sex money murders is deep, especially on Rackers Island. Right. The Rolex is deep on Rackers Island. And a lot of the Sex Money Murders love me. I'm Billy. I'm Billy. You know what I mean?

So I was talking really good care, and not just that, but for Hawaiian. Because a lot of homies who big homies now was once my little homies. But they got their own, they went with different nations. They got their own situation. So I was good on Rackazan. You know what I mean? I ran into some small pocket beats, but nothing major. You know what I'm saying?

Well, I don't consider a major because of my lifestyle in penitentiary. But, you know, I could have been into a lot of situations because the behavior they was doing. You know, I'm on Rackett Island, man. And I'm shot. And I'm in population. Can we talk about you getting shot? Huh? Can we talk about you getting shot and how that went down?

Sure. Yeah. What was the situation exactly? Okay. Once Biggs 9 felt defending and I wasn't jacking at, uh-huh. He basically was like, yo, you got to, I think he's got to get rid of the big homer. Right. You know, this is what he's saying to these dudes.

I don't know this guy. Uh-huh. So now that he's vouching, you know, he got them on some like, yo, he said, he ain't fucking with me. I ain't fucking with you. Mm-hmm. So you gas them for whatever you gas them with. You know what I mean?

Because I wasn't around after that part. I'm like, yo, no, I'm not sanction this behavior. So now, Mel, it's all for because now he's getting hit. That bad dude, see, yo. Once I found out certain things, I say, yo, some cause got to be made. Unfortunately, the people who I made the calls with was video, he called in me. Mm. Only know us, I don't know none of this.

We actually preparing and taking the proper measurements to take care of situation. Mm-hmm. And I'm being recorded by my own people. And what they did with that audio, they just brought it straight to C.O. Chris or 6'9? Yeah. They directly to the feds. Mm.

So now. Oh, wait. So you're talking about somebody who was recording you. My own peoples. Right. My own. But people who are informants? Like government informants?

Okay. So you're saying feds, as in they just brought it to your ops at this point. Right. Like, for example, they recorded me. Okay. Once we found out, once I found out CEO Chris was informing, right? I said, listen, man, niggas got a backup off. But when did you figure that out?

And how did you figure that? Because now they say that that there were informants inside the nine trades for a long time. Right, but this, all right, this what happened. Because he, you know, oh, Jesus, Chris. Let's air it out. Come on. This is shit is deep, bro. You know, I fucked with you if I'm doing this.

All right. CEO Chris used to give me like $10,000 every three days. Mm-hmm. Right? Once he realized that, you know what I'm saying? who I was he was playing on everything I was saying

I was in a he had a range road at the time anytime you speak to him he's never going to tell you it he's gonna say he's he's on he's on murdering murdering

um chancy some shit like that that don't even run you know what I mean uh huh but he'd give you all kind of different location then he'll pull right up on you

So I was in a call, me and another lady, I let her take my call. I got with him. You know, he hit me with the bag. Pulls over one day. I opened a glove department. I seen the paperwork. And then what I seen, my cousin got 10 years behind him right now, when I seen him on Rackers Island, when they sent me to the, we got a, we have a house on Rackers Island, like a C95 is called.

like captain restraint where they sent all the big head guys at those that have been on the island for years just so just trouble and there's not a lot of people in this house it's probably about 30 homies in here 20 you know what i mean they keep it real close monitor cameras so when i go there my my my my my buzzing is a big he a big macbola when i come into the house he's there behind him so he seen the same thing i've seen yet a few years ago. Right. So I'm like, yo, boy, what's a fag? So now I'm like, yo, I got a backup

off him. You know what they tell me? I'm in my front of a home. I got my people's in my friend of the home. I'm like, yo, he hopped. You had a funeral home? Yeah, my mother owned a friend of a home. Oh, okay. Brooklyn. And it's crazy because I'm taking pictures in front of there, and the same people

that's taking pictures is what it's been hired to murder me. So they're saying, you know, later on I'm like so they was like yo he'll be here in a few days he's taking pictures here little do he know he's going to be

laid the rest right here wow so you know um I'm like yo listen I gotta let me tell you how crazy dudes are they told me just because you don't fucking with him no more doesn't mean we ain't fucking with him no more

right I'm like what because to you it's like if he snitching then he's like bro I'm already I'm already done I didn't been to three different countries with this this nigga. I'm done. I'm trying to save y'all. So you were convinced that you were going to be doing time either way because there's no way

he didn't have a whole bunch of shit on you. Right. I'm done. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, listen, I've been everywhere with this guy. I've been with him. I've, you know, I'm done. So I'm telling y'all, yo, it's fucked up right now. And they like, yo, nah, they don't know the surveillance of what's going on. They're like, yo, next thing I know, I come back. they all got AP tattoos on on their arms on a neck I'm like yo what

always paid you see what with the chain look is that the pictures is all I paint a Picasso when it came to this because somebody today in my live

said yo you know a lot of information they said you're informing I can't be deformed I was with an informing I didn't know he wasn't informing and so again like you asked I opened up we're on murder Avenue I open the

blood apartment, I see the paperwork. But people don't want to believe it even when they... They can't believe it. It's hard for... Listen, I'm going through it, and it's hard for me to still believe the shit. Right. I'm smoking 100 blunts a day, my nigga. Because I'm still trying to

grasp it. To like, yo, like, no one was ever, even though six-nine, Biggs said it, on a stand. I did a podcast about him. I called him a rainbow head piece of

shit he called shoddy he put the plan together to get me out the way it's crazy how it came together and no one's no one no one no one no one ain't no one can lock the up for my shoe who right so you have a a lawsuit that was reported at one point against six nine himself right against six nine Melly and bet for the shooting And you was that, I mean, you probably wouldn't have wanted to go that route, but you probably saw that as the only way for you getting any kind of repercussions out of the way this all shit went down? Yeah, because at the end of the day, like, me and Shadi, we had a plan.

Where did you go straight? Because the plan was, do not let it be another bird game situation. That was our agreement. And this is what you brought. You asked me in the kitchen, beg me, at the time we'd go. going through it with this guy on the phone. A whole bunch, you know what I mean? It's like you're fighting.

You don't know which way to go. You dig? Like after I left, you win it straight. I'm on Raggers Island. But yes, because I taught Shadi the blueprint. All that follow protocol, we tomorrow, because of my own against where I come from. And this is where people want to understand,

like, I come from a crew, a notorious crew of best style. One of the most baddest crews that come out of Brooklyn. That's where I come from. And when I was a young kid in the game, I caught a tent murder, and it forced me to move to Little Rock, Arkansas. At what age was that? When my mom, I was 14.

Okay, because I was wondering how you ended up in Little Rock for a while. Right. I went down a Little Rock because my mom went crazy. And do you already have a charge, or you were just trying to escape getting arrested? I was escaped getting arrested at the time. Okay. So now...

And then you never had to actually deal with that later down the road? I had to. Oh, okay. It was still floating. I caught another case down here. You know what I'm saying? So I got expedited back to New York, but this is how this thing gets started,

and this is what's really important. My mother sent me down a little ride to escape prosecution in New York. And I got down there, I was under the impression that I had a rich aunt down here. You know, I'm from New York. You know, my aunt, we thinking she got the big house. You know what I mean? But when I get down there, we're in the projects.

All my cousins is Highland Park, Paroo. I didn't know none of this being in New York. You know what I mean? You hit your family down south. You know, you don't think of them. You know what I mean? Like New York is the trenches. Right.

Down south, we're thinking it's nice, and I get down there. It's all different. So when I'm down there, I got initiated, and I became blood. I beat the case. I got expedited to New York. I got time for the case. I came home. Now, before I got locked up and everything, when I left Little Rock and I came back to New York,

I was Highland Park, Paroo, and it was five guys. Like, my strip is Gates Avenue between Marcus Garvey. Harvey and Troop. You had Keith, his name is Spazzo. He got about 800 years in South Carolina right now. You had Terrell, Paul, Taiwan. That was my second. That was my, you know what I mean?

And me, Melly was a decepticon. We was bloods. They didn't know none of them. about no blood in New York. When they seen us with red band Danas, they didn't know what the fuck to do in Brooklyn.

And we wasn't deep, meaning that it wasn't a lot of us. And because on a major, like, on a major, like, music type level, I feel like nobody really was talking about bloods being from New York until dipset. Right. And that's because of Melly. Now, Mellie is from Jefferson.

We from Gates. They deceptive. cars we bloods but it's not a lot of us so milly helped turn cam out gym and all them okay but the force we bring in to these other little gangs is like yo y'all y'all for real so now mely that's my friend he want to become this he want to become blood but taiwan don't want me to become blood. Of course, Taiwan is, you know,

he's a gangster. And he's cool with Melly, but you're a whole other thing. You know what I'm saying? But Melly, my friend, I'm like, yo, got to bring him home, man.

Like, come on, man. You know what I'm saying? So that's how Melly become blood. And me, I'm always out of town. So I left Mellie in the hood. And what he do is he bluds everybody in.

You know what I'm saying? Free for all. Free for. It was a time, one time I said, is you crazy? Like, who is these guys? Like, I was about to turn Crip. Right. That's why I said if I wasn't blood, I'd be Crip.

Mm-hmm. I said, yo, I said, who is these guys? These guys can't be. Not what I've been on my life. Right. You know what I'm saying? But that's how that go. And that's how Melly became a situation.

So now, Melly bring all these people bloods. And the crew I come from is Revy, Revy, Revy, Bad. They're in the papers. You know, you could Google them. I was raised under these cars. So Mellie and them know how I once came. I'm not like that now. I'm older.

I changed a lot. Because if I didn't, they know how things how things. So the crew I come from, I always, when I, when it was a time for me to have my crew, I brought the same behavior from the crew I was down with to my crew, followed protocol, we the mall. Because I come from the mall. So this is what I taught them over the years. And this is how he applied it to the everyday life now. This is why you heard six, nine, screaming we to mall follow protocol. You understand what I'm saying now?

So, Melly was able to, being that he was the face and I was away, remember, I went away for a long time. And Melly had the streets. And Melly followed my protocol. We don't answer to nobody. And who what?

Who? You know, And keep it on track. See, a lot of these guys, like, you know, like the Jim Jones and all that, they don't know these. They don't know these. They don't, you don't know, Melly. Like you know, like you know, you know? You understand what I'm saying?

I don't know him. He don't cry on y'all's shoulder. He ain't going to tell you how he fell. I have to calm him down. You're going to throw your life away. You're going to kill Jim Jones? Then what? Because you're about to leave the rap game broke.

It's not Jim Ford. That's your fault. I always told me this. The man gave you a platform. Now, what you did with it is what you did with it. I never, no, I don't say it. I mean, you know, I don't, you know, people say, oh, you and Jim, no, listen, Jim was a cornball, man. Some things, Millie told me that I can't jack, you know?

You think he was a snitch, too? That came out a lot in the discussion about this. Of course. Jim, see, what happened with Jim is Jim is willing to corroborate. That's why he's not in no truth. trouble. I've been a ring. You know what I mean? So I know why you ain't been a ring. I just want to know why. Why you not a ring man? I don't give a fuck about that. Why you got arraigned? I know why. A lot of people might assume they know why, but I know why you ain't.

But I don't know, no, I didn't take the gym and I don't want to go off track, but I know people is because Melly told me one time, like, yo, Jim, like, you don't even, wait, for one, I'm saying, don't bad mouth me if you don't know me. Like, he don't, like, don't listen to other people's stories and the dab, that, because you can't believe everything you hear. So Mellie just told me, yo, man, Jim, don't, Jim's scared. He's scared to be around, you big homie.

So I'm like, he don't even know me, though. And then there have been places where, like, for instance, I was in space one time. I think we had FAB and Meek Mills we had come through space. Fab it was even FABB. Fab and Chris Brown, we had come through space. And, you know, I'm sitting in the section. I'm right here by the stage, Jim Jones right here.

And you know, I'm up. And I see the uneasiness in his face. He's like, damn. So now what Mellie is telling me is starting to add up. but I always said that's Melly's situation you know what I'm saying and I never flipped on him I just said

Mel you can't be mad at this guy you know like because he puts you in a situation with you but Melly is not a businessman Melly is a black guy so he don't know to do the situation like that like it was a time where Mel said

um yo big homie man you know Jim was the first one to take me out of state and I said male I can't take you out of state because the things I do out of state, you're going to be in a lot of trouble. And then your mother is going to kill me. She's calling me. Right. So Jim was the first one to take him out of state, show him the way. And I always said, listen, he gave you a platform and ain't his fault because there been times where I had Millie crying

on me like, yo, I ain't leaving this rap game, bro. You know what I mean? So it's that I don't have no issues with Jim. It's just that you not what you portray to be. Just be you. But if it's for your entertainment, put that in a disclaimer. It's entertainment. Like I do.

I joke. I got the Snow Willie Frankston podcast, you know. But we're joking. Put it in your disclaimer, it's saying really you. Because I know. I've been me. I've seen it. Right. So that's why the situation with

me and Jim. But yeah, you know, You know why. We heard him on a wire, right? Yeah, the conversation they had on the phone, yeah. Come on. He's talking about hitting the police, yo. We moved to security from Bix, so you able to get up on them. You code strategize a whole plot.

They want to give me a hundred years, money. Why you strategize a whole? What happened? And you ain't, and you ain't sit down? with the Peebles? Did you tell me? You could tell these other guys that would you tell me this?

But wasn't he, didn't you say superviolate? Yeah, he's talking about putting work in. But superviolet is the kind of thing that could be really, I don't think it would stand up in a court of law, right? It wouldn't stand up, but when you start orchestrating, orchestrating and organizing when you're saying remove security from the person

that's where things get a little more legal so now you orchestrating I can say you don't supervalate that dude you don't know that can mean spit in his face but when you say now remove this person from this person so you have a path now you indicate

some other kind of violence why you're not in no home why you not in no why you just let me ask you this when I did the interview with Billy and Saco Billy, they basically said that you really didn't have much of a role in the whole six-time thing, kind of just minimize your whole role in the whole thing.

What's your thoughts on that? And what's your thoughts on why they have chosen to take that position publicly? Okay, like I was saying, I don't know, we, off camera, I was talking, right? I told you. The real person who borne big to us don't deal with them no more. You understand what I'm saying? He got a little video out. that he's talking crazy about them.

But honestly, they mad, they're jealous because it didn't work out the way they wanted to work out. They didn't do the right thing. They knew the kid wasn't right, and they still promoted it. So they will try to do anything towards a person who was going to make it right, and that's where they don't sit good with.

They never destroyed a boat and have the captain on the shit, man. and that's where they at with it because they wasn't going to do nothing with it if if they would have it wouldn't be where's at now but they couldn't because who was in charge

me and shoddy y'all just surrounded be who y'all y'all the little homies in the crib around I don't know this business side of this thing here and that's why they feel like that because they said damn they want me to be quiet

of course I don't I'm not at L-A-X I was on Rackers Island Of course, I wasn't wherever y'all. I was locked up. That's why I wasn't around when all y'all, when that buffoonery started. But before the cameras started rolling and we was getting him to where he had to go,

that's where I was at. And they were just quiet. You can see the videos. They're quiet, man. I got the pictures. When I'm running on their best behavior, because it goes back to the crew I come from. Right.

See what I'm saying? When I come to the dog panel, like for example right I'm gonna say I gave we was going on we was taking six nine to a one of these strip clubs so we wasn't no usually we travel with you know artillery you know what I'm saying so this day we had too much I was say in the car I was in so I went to give this guy say going on take it upstairs I'll be back tomorrow for it when I when I come back tomorrow before this rap wrapped up in like dirty bags.

So, were you serious? 30 bags? Like he was scared to transport it or something? When he gave it to me, I came to the house. I said, yo, let me get that. He said, hold on. It took like 15 minutes. It was wrapped up and like, I'm like, yo, I'm, I'm saying,

I'm saying, I'm saying that's Melly doing that. That was Melly doing. Really? Yeah. He wasn't comfortable around pistols, you're saying? He was saying, don't give SB that gun out like that. rack that shit up and it was it was like a basketball

I'm like it's only a little nine. Well they thought you were about to use it right then and then? I don't know what I don't it's like they they they I couldn't believe it I'm standing in front of the house and I'm holding it I'm like yo where is the gun my gun you? I didn't give you a bag with nothing you know what I'm saying so what I say

is that they understand the fact that they know that I had the plan and take it to where it need to be and they didn't have the power to do anything. Because if they did, Shadi controlled it after I left. Shottie wasn't worrying about

them guys. Shottie had crushed them. They won't play with Shottie? They're kids. You're playing with nobody. You heard with Shottie. I shot five nicks in one night. Shottie shot five people in one night.

I got him on why you're saying it. That's why you had to take the 15 years and go about his business, man. Man, listen, you ain't never been in jail before. you got light time compared you know I'm the only one from the set

that been in jail it's the first time these guys been in jail that's why they're all in camps right they ain't no USPs even having a gun in New York is a huge deal

yeah you know so shooting five people in one night's pretty unbelievable you understand what I'm saying so these guys couldn't do nothing right they wasn't going to say nothing

shoddy they say it's something about Shottie now but Shottie got 15 years years. Then he got parole when he come home. So Shadi is out the game. If he acts up, then he goes back to jail for life.

No matter how you put it on, you can say certain things, but if Shadi, let's just say when Shadi was there, what happened? That followed protocol. I didn't go play with Shadi. Was 6-9 Skated Shottie, too? Ultimately?

No. No. Because 6-9 wasn't scared of Shottie because Shadi isn't portrayed at that that image was six nine yes he was acting like he wanted to be legit be the manager be the right right right he still showed the act of balance to keep it secure but he never showed that he was a threat to six nine right and shoddy is a loyal guy shoddy never has sex with that that guy baby mother let's just get that straight i mean i've heard that from so many people and it's it's he didn't have sex it's unbelievable how six nine still will say he just did an instagram live uh the other day and he was saying

And he was using that as the reason why he can't see his kid. Listen, he didn't have, Shottie didn't have, listen, I know Shottie. I don't slept in the same house with Shadi. I know Shadi a very, very long time. I could be outside and Shadi and Harfield, though, and they come to me and say, big, homie, why are you out here? Why are you outside? Give me $1,000 and tell me, yo, man, go inside, big, homie.

And I respect, I respect my muscle. It's my muscle. If my muscle say go, and I go in. These guys do the right thing, man. These guys don't take $10,000 and think about themselves. They come. You know what I mean? That's why you see 6'9 was paying the homies in jail.

Do you think there was a time period where 6'9 actually thought the Shardie slept with his baby mom? Or do you think that whole thing was contrived to just give him a reason to flip? A hundred percent fact. Shottie never slept with that boy, baby mama. See, I've talked to her a lot of times, too, and I don't want to act like she's a fucking saint because I don't know what the hell she ever did in her life. I also am looking at her like she don't really seem like she would want to go sleep with Shadi. Nah, he didn't. I'm telling you I could watch all the videos, even though I don't.

The sums I did sing Shottie did not sleep. And me and Shadi ain't on good terms like that. They messed with it. They mess. They knew 6'9 put the head out. They knew all this shit was going on. But I ain't go throw him under the bus. I'm going to keep it real.

He ain't fucked that boy, baby, mama. Did he take some money from him? Of course he did. A guy like Shottie ain't gonna take no, he ain't gonna take your money, yo, why ain't gonna take that money? Because somebody like Shadi having 50K in cash and he got 6 and not caring about the money and shit, it seems like nothing for him to grab some of it, right? Yeah, but is he gonna fuck his baby mother, no. Okay. Now they say, oh, he didn't fuck Sarah, but what about the homie?

He was fucking Chanel. Okay, why he was fucking Chanel? Because Chanel got a house. If you homies, you're gonna fuck us. too. That's real. If your mama got property, you know, and you could come here and

this is, you're going to fuck her too, man. So that's why he fucked. He was fucking shit. If I didn't have a place to live and I could fuck for a place to live, I'm fucking. Not just a regular place to live, but a place with double layers. Like, you know, you got flaws. You know what I mean? And you got the younger homies there, so you know, you're like the muscle to assess, so you're in paradise.

Right. Because we're not there. When you observed the coup de B situation with him shooting at Chief Keefe, I mean, we were having a conversation about this the other day. And it's like, like, obviously Chief Keefe did not do anything serious enough that in any normal situation, anybody would want to have him kill for saying something online. He ain't really even say all that much. You basically cracked a few jokes, whatever. How do you observe that situation? because to me that's like 6-9 having gone mad with power at that point where you want to get somebody off over nothing.

At that point, right, I was already shot. So he seed that if he had the power to get the big homie out the way, now he could influence them to get whoever he won out the way. And that's how I played out. I got these pens, man. We're going to hook you over some of these by the time we leave. But that's what, now that. He's like, yo, I got the gang ready to roll behind me, and you got a shooter with you.

Even if he's not the shooter, he could get the shit done. That's an addictive thing for a lot of people, huh? Yo, that's addictive because, you know, like I said, I come from a dangerous organization. And, you know, at a very young age. And I remember right, the, you got the, you know, one of them is home. I don't really want to, you know what I'm saying? I want to keep it respectful, but people that's going to say,

they know who I'm talking about, right? I remember, right, the, okay, you got, it's two brothers. You got the big brother, and you got the little brother, you hear me? Little brother is the,

you know what I mean, is the, is that nigga, you feel me? He used to drop me home. And guys used to say to me, this is back in the days in Brooklyn when we had a lot of people on the corners.

Remember we used to have, like, 20 guys on each corner, it was back then in that time. So now you got the enforcer dropping me home and people's has already fed these guys. My whole neighborhood feared these guys. These guys are suspects of 40 murders. You go close on my side.

Even though they beat the cases and everything now, but they were suspects of 40 murders, man. So you know, you got the second in command dropping me home. I'm only like 15 years old at the time, 16 years. You know what I'm saying? And they like this. But this is the people who I came from.

You know what I mean? So I know the kind of guys that, you know, I'm dealing with who I've brought around me, you know. So I know who. These people see Shottie. It's like, no, I know Shottie. I know what he'll do and I know what he's not going to do. I know he's doing this grimy shit over here because he ain't got nowhere to go. This ain't his type of broad, but it's going to be his type of bra for right now.

He wouldn't do this because him and boy is like this, but boy, he got time right now. You know, he's doing, well, he should be on his way home now. And then Shadi probably saying this ain't going to never come out. Because who's going to say son at the dog pound was going on with these two? But I'm there. I see this shit. I'm like, yo, this is crazy. You can't do this, Shottie.

Nah, he can't do this. This is dangerous. Right. Because son is a shooter too. You know what I mean? So I'm like, no, this is going to be a disaster feat right here. It's going to come out. There's no way possible you sleeping with a homey baby mother and it don't come out.

Right. Don't matter how much download you doing it. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I understand. But the Chief Keith thing at that time, Takasha was already, he already had a few hits done. Look at the paperwork. He had the hit done on me. He had to hit done.

over here he had a few shootings going on so at that time he was like you put Casanova in that situation the Barclay situation or was that a separate thing um say it again like in terms of the whole shooting with Cassanova and the barclays and everything like that would you put that in the same category of six nine having basically ordered something or was that very spur of the time at that time see and that's in the book at the time okay I'm just going to give it up at the time the Barclays thing it wasn't beef with the real beef was with Shadi. That's why Shadi

made the call. See, Fulbinger? Food banger is a good homie, but he'll homie that want to be down. He want to be down. You know what I mean? He's willing to do anything to be down and be accepted. Right. You feel me? He, he, he, he, he praised Melly. You know what I'm saying?

So now, he's in Connecticut. Shadi get food banger. He gassed him up with the whole tradeway Connecticut division. You hear me? Yeah, this is, this is what Shadi's now. Shottie is running this kind of game. Just sell the dream. Look, he's selling, he's selling food. Fulbinger's a shooter.

Okay. We see, he shut out the Barclays Center. So he calls Food Bangor then, because now Shottie's trying to build new muscle. Because all the original niggas is out the way. I'm locked up, Harf trying to Harv is trying to get next to Shadi. Melly is out the way.

Now the Shottie, Bix. Now, the real beef is with casting over Shottie and Harv. over some other shit. It's in the book. And was it all as simple as Casanova just feeling like... No.

Okay. So this is before 6-9 was even a thing? It was one. Caz... You know, like, during that time, Caz was calling me. You know, I went out with him a few times, and it was more so, like,

Cass Shottie and Haar got a personal beef. Right. Now, Shottie got Biggs 9. He could use Biggs 9. As a puppet, because Biggs 9 is what? He's rapping. Shadi is a street guy. Shottie can't get on the mic and rap about shitting on boy.

So now it's all perfect timing. Got Biggs, me and Cass, got personal beef. He used Biggs'nan to come at Cass. That's why it was so easy for them to dead the beef. You know what I'm saying? So now, Shadi used Biggs'9 to come at Cass. It's easy for them to dead to beef. but the beef is not there

with Shottie, hog, and cats. You know what I'm saying? Now, before I went away, I had the beef to a minimum. But the minute I was gone, is back up. Shottie don't have no more shooters. He want to be the more or less

the business man now. So who he called for a shooter? He called Fubinger. He cashed food binger up. Listen, we go do tradeway entertainment. Full gas. he's ready to go all out he's suicide bomber right now

there's a lot of people that if you put that dream in the head you're gonna be a part of this label blah blah blah they'll shoot something for you they will put aside everything that was keeping them from shooting somebody for the most of their life and they're out nope they ready listen

he's in Connecticut it's easy to see how this unfolds right you know what I'm saying and this is why I'm glad I'm here that week because it's been a long time but we're still on track real quick before we ended Listen, he got food banging out here,

because Shadi ain't the shooter no more. He's trying to be, you know, he's trying to really like, you know, he brings food. That's why the book, look, they go full right there. He brings food down. Full pull that stun off at the Barclays, bow, fire one shot down his lick. But all that is because Shottie and Cass got street beef.

They had street beef, whatever you want to call it. Right. There was a never with Cass in 6'9. But the cast, he didn't like six, nine. Why would he like six nine? Yeah, why would he like him? Cass is a blood. You got real bloods back in a fake dude

that got all kind of charters as blood. You know what I'm saying? He's getting, because this is what cast is saying, you bro. And this is right at the exact time the cast is really trying to make it as a rapper. Right. And this is when Cass is like, yo, you know,

Cass is like, yo, how do he like, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, you know, he's like, Lucy has it all this shit, man. You know, so he calls it. You know, he's calling me. And I'm like, listen, at first they wanted to shoot the 31 seconds with Big Sin. And I'm like, come on.

Cass is six nine? No, him, the other big homies. They want to fight. And we're like, come on. I'm like, nah, man, I can't go down. I'm like, you're not fighting them. Right. Like, we're sitting here in this, what we call powwow.

I'm in a powwow with all these, they apes. You know what I mean? You know, CAD, you know, they like apes. So, you know, I'm by myself, man. You know what I mean? These guys looking at me like, yo, you're Billy. You know, just because our blood doesn't mean that these guys is looking at me like, but I'm with Caz. You know, I'm holding Caz down, so they got to accept me.

But it's like, you know what I mean? It's like, you. I'm like, listen, don't look at what I am. I mean, I'm holding boy down because right now he's going through. You know what I'm saying? And this is your bag right here. So y'all need to make sure your bag is good. Don't matter who got to be around them.

No matter what's set on from. As many times I've been places that I don't like taking pictures with people that I'm holding down. I don't like that because you don't need to know who I am. You know, if somebody on the side do some freak shit and take a picture, I can't stop them. You know what I mean? But I don't like to be seen, you know. But have been times, you know, like I got, you know, The situation with Cass.

You know, we had to get on stage, and I don't really want to get on stage, because I don't really want to be even that. I mean, like, I don't like to really be seen like that. It's a different kind of attention, man. I got legal problems always. You know what I'm saying? So it's not really good for me, but I'm here.

But like a situation with, um, with, with, they didn't, they, they, they didn't like each other. You know what I mean? They, they got real street beef. They ain't no, ain't no hip-pop shit. But when you got street beef with an individual that's rapping, how do you get at them? You gotta have a mouthpiece

Six down was the mouthpiece To come at Cass For Shottie and Harf That's how that situation Took place And then of course You know other people from my set Like Noop

He then tried to rob Cass Over several times You know what I mean So never really had a good relationship You know what I mean But um Harvin Cass once had a good relationship But things transpired

Would make that go sour And this is why six, nine, was like the mouthpiece for shoddy and hard at the time to come at CASS. That's why I was so easy for the Lick Daddy. But I was at, I mean, they was going to hurt Caz one time. I had to stop it. You stopped. At CitiScapes. It was Cass and Javanti was there.

I got the video, and they pulled up. I didn't know they was outside. My nephew came and they told me. He'd be with all a lot of rapists too. He said, yo, them niggas was outside and they got the, they got the poles. So, you know, I'll go outside. I'm like, it was popping. Like, yo, we go leave him where he's staying. I said, oh, come on, you know.

I'm with them. Right. I'm with them. Like, really? And, you know, they pissed off because they can't. This is Shadi said. Shadi said, you're going to crush your pups. Shottie said, you're going to crush your pups for casting over.

I said, don't do that to me, homie. And I, and I heard the hurt in his voice. I'm like shoddy it's bigger than this man you know what you're doing ain't right you understand what I'm saying like you know he's like you're going to crush your pups for Cass homie and I'm like it ain't about

question my pups is about what's fair homie it's still protocol to follow homie and this ain't protocol man in terms of just if somebody's going to get done it's got to be approved

it's got to be done the right way and is it just because Cass is a blood or is it just in general? In regards to what when I was old? In terms of like somebody just deciding that somebody has got to die. Like was the part of the protocol? Is that just because he's a dude?

Or is it because he's a blood? Because at the time, Harvin Cass, Hawke's put something together and Harvin shot he made a move, right? When they went to make the move, it was like the other side. we turned fire on them.

So they thought that boy lined them up. So now, if you think and I lined you up, it can't be no squashing. You understand what I'm saying? It don't matter what you are. Because at this point, you put my life in danger. I went to make a move on your behalf. When I go to make the move,

these guys are already on point. So where do you think me and you stand now? You understand what I'm saying? I'm saying? So now this is where the beef is in. Shadi and Cass squashed the beef for the sake of 69, right? The haul wasn't filling it. That's why at that video shoot, 50 cent and who else? It was 50 cent casting over in 6.9, right? Right. Get the strap. Right. You see, on a strength, shoddy dead's the beef but harb is like yo how you dead the beef

when you know what the real situation is about so this is why now harb is gunning for shoddy everywhere you sign with boy in because you sign with boy because of the bag right now you're getting close to 50 because I've drunk crippy in the picture you understand what I'm saying

before this Crippy and shoddy are robbers that's what they do you hear me they don't get They take money. We got niggas who get money, got niggas who take money. They take money. So I've grown these two together. They don't have no relationship.

Crippy is a blood. I mean, excuse me, Crippy is a Crip. His name ain't Cripp. His name is fine. But what I'm saying, and I say that to say, this is how this came together. When you see him doing the security with Bigs Nine,

Bigs Nine ain't no creepy. I've blown Crippy from Lexington. That's my block. Let's attend between no strength and Tom, Marcy. I had that block since I've been a young kid under the crew I come from. Follow me there? Yeah. So Fahim is from that block. I bring Fahim to the dog pounding me Shadi. Let's do what y'allnick's been this man. You know, you my homie, you crit. I got a lot of, I got, I got more cripped friends than blood friends. Like I said, if I wasn't blood, I'd be cripped.

Do I was say? So I bring these two together and shoddh. Shadi is a good guy. You know what I'm saying? He don't got no discrimination of what you are. You know what I mean? Shadi's trying to get money. He's trying to take money. He's know, this is what they do.

So I bring them together and what happens is now. Fahin and Fahin got a relationship with who? 50. Because of 50 top. Once top security is Fahim brother. So this is how you see 6'9 become close. But 50 is because of the relationship. I've grown together with Fahim and Shadi brings Shadi up to 50 and this is how all this

go go around and they were best friends for a little bit there before he got locked up right? Who? 50 and 6.9. Yeah, because, you know, now Shadi trying to get in. You understand what I'm saying? Like he need to get in. So he's C.O. 5 is tight with fifth. I got fifth on board

to do security that's going to get me in with G unit you know what I'm saying so this it was it was it was a stepping stone and that's how Shadi

was able to bring Picks 9 to 5th and they could build a little relationship or whatever they did I was gone at the time but I seen the video

I seen the video when Shottie's in the studio and he's like yo I get all you know what I'm saying like you heard he said this thing I raw for all this and he's telling you

he's telling fifth like he's telling Takasio you about to leave me now you see what I'm saying because Takashi was trying to make a move now because it was inevitable that he was just going to have to leave behind all his street connects

and just have like real music industry managers and all that kind of shit right it was after he went to he did that video out in Paris with the American flag jacket that's when things change really um

pillant what's What's the company, the Clover line? PL. I forget. What's the Clovalon, man? It got the peas. It's one of European lines they got out. It was a fashion show, 6'9 did.

That's when things... He did a fashion show? He did, and he got the American flag jacket on his head's thrown back in the rainbow. Oh, okay. That was the turn of the event. That's when it got serious. In terms of where his mind state changed? on who he wanted to be around.

Yeah, because it's like now, it's Paris. Right. Is the, you seem to have the motorcycle helmet on, it's over after that. Right. It's over. Because people forget that like, when 6'9 wanted to get associated

with the boys and everything, everybody forgets that at that point, he had barely left New York. So to him, that really is like the upper echelon of what he's aspiring to be down with. If he had been around the world more, like once he did start to be around the world more and stuff, he started to realize,

like, oh, it ain't about being, tough or respected in New York. It's just about getting money. And for him, he could give a take. You know, for a lot of you guys, you're born in it and you're stuck with it. For him, it's like, he adopted that shit. So he definitely saw that, oh, I could just walk away from all this. Once he went to Paris and seeing what it was, it was like, yo, it's too much right here

from you. But you already made your bag. You know what I'm saying? You sold your soul. I don't know if it's too early to jump ahead on this, but how do you feel about all the behavior and the overall persona that he's taken on since he got out. You know what's truthfully, man, I haven't even watched him.

I watched him and bits and bits. I know everything he's going to do. You see his video, he got the bulletproof vest on. His behavior is everything like, put it like this. Right? If you see his behavior and you see my behavior, when they come in entertainment, you'll see the comparisons.

You know what I mean? And it wasn't that. I didn't take no Like listen It's business bro I don't know if you did The rate I don't know whatever you did

But that's not my concern I don't look at a person For what they've done I'm just saying it wouldn't be wise enough For you to be raping this With these kind of sanctions Against you It's going to bring problems

You're not a bad kid I mean you might have did some bad things Doesn't make you a totally bad guy So it wasn't that I wasn't It was what you was doing that I was against because you know you didn't want none of this. This wasn't the plan in the dog, Pam. We've been in the dog, you wasn't with this.

Now, overnight, because I don't know what the hell when Shadi was talking about, now you want to become blood. And now all these other guys that's calling who? They're calling me. They call him the big home. What's up? What these guys doing? What do you mean what they're doing?

They're going for what? they're going for what they know because they don't understand the gang culture in New York right you know and that's another thing we need to touch on make a head speak okay but talk about the

gang culture in New York and do you feel like it's been fundamentally affected by this I mean some would say that the gang shit in New York right now is crazier than has ever been okay I say right this right this is where it goes wrong as for the bloods right in New York

is a prison game. They don't even know the meaning or the history behind bloods. They don't understand why bloods came in place is to protect the surroundings. We started out of L.A.

When the bloods and the crypts, it was to hold your territory, your neighborhood. You can't come in my neighborhood and rape my sister. You understand what I'm saying? When the cess was started, it started for where we're from.

If you're from the jungle, I could trace you back. that's baby wacko he from the jungle that's baby whack that's big whack that's little wet the mix from the jungle

ain't nobody from Englewood part of the jungle they part of that set they're from an Eaglewood right New York you got

all these burvels and different guys on one set everybody's so close together you got because you got dudes from the Bronzer and Queens on the same set. How is that?

That's why I never understood it. So you feel like a lot of the gang shit ends up becoming basically more like fashion because it's not as deeply rooted in something that's very real like it is in L.A.? And that's exactly what it is. It's fashion in New York. It wasn't never...

It's impossible to have three people from different neighborhoods on this set. That don't go. like that. Because you got to be able to be traced. When you go to the penitentiary or you go somewhere and they say,

you say, I'm Lazy Blah from this set. And they know, oh, you're from. But in New Yorker, they ain't like that. And this is where it be, see, let me say this. And like I said it before, New York had different kind of gangs.

They didn't have this kind of a monster. They had the guard bodies and, and, and, And, you know, a lot of these guys was dope fiends. You know what I'm saying? And when this gang pandemic came to Raggers Island, they felt it was, you know, cool to turn what they called.

Because with the guard bodies, you got a thing called Lessons. They tried to bring a civilized culture into a savage culture. Blas is a gang. They're not no religion group. They're not, no, they're not, it's not a religion group. You might have some that practice religion basis, but that's not a religion group. It's a gang culture.

But now you bring, you're trying to bring lessons. Luzz don't got no lessons. But this is New York stuff with the whole gall body converting over to being blud's because it came a prison team. So now you got these guys from New York, and it's, you know, they're from different sets on one set, no. It's not like that. If you're from Tompkins' projects,

then it's supposed to be Tompkins' projects' bloods. And everybody's from there. So you know, oh, I know where you're from. But you got a guy from here from, it's all over. That's why I say this game coaching, New York. It's not, it never been, I never tuck it as, you know, being real. Because, again, I know when I came home from Rackazinan, it was crazy.

Like, nah. Do you believe, or, Does it matter to you to be a blood anymore? You've seen so many people fall off, turn informants, turn whatever, that it has to disillusion you to some point, right? I'm not, it's going to always be, I love the homies, especially the homies in California. I let her homies in Little Rock.

I let her homies all over. But I can't, I'm not, I can't be like, it's in me. I'm here, I'm tired of up, you know what I mean? I'm like, I ain't going nowhere, you know what I'm saying? got officially, you know, I started the dog paw. You know what that is, right? Well, no, but... That's the two thoughts on the arm.

Oh, okay, yeah. The girls get on her leg. I started that. Like, I can't go nowhere, and you're going to mistake me from somebody else. You're going to know, who is he? Right? You're going to say, you know what I'm saying? So it's going to be a pardon because I was like, damn near, I've been in because I've been a kid. I really had to put him work.

to become this. So it's different. I have really gang guys like crips who I really got love for. You have a lot of blurs who got love for a lot of crips. You know what I'm saying? Like those that's really rooted to this. So it's like it's not that I don't that I just I just I'm older now. I'm older and I have things that need to be done and it's not about now I'm here to I want to show the kids that that that's That's why I promote three straight lanes. Go straight, stay straight, keep straight. So I want to show the kids. The lanes is for the penitentiary success

and the graveyard. And I promoted because I went down both. I had a life sentence, and I died in the streets. And now I want to roll the success. So I can show you all. I can show you the pitfalls. So it's like, now I just want to just show, I want to show those like,

let me let me um let me before you think about this or i can't tell you not to do something unless i could put something in place that's going to substitute what you're about to do i'm not going to say oh my god stop selling whatever you're doing if i can't say you listen i got a better gig for you paying this right now and you deny it because you're being greedy to do something else and i can't be afforded at so all i could do is like give the best advice i can to the youth like Before you think about going down this road, before you think about getting in the video with a hundred gang members,

understand these are the circumstances. Before you talk about you caught a body a week ago, understand who listening to that. You hear me? Because there's somebody with some power and some kitchen somewhere and they hear that song. And then the little ones hear that song.

And that becomes a problem because the wrong ass is harming it. So before you start doing things, understand. sometimes it's good to use a roadmap. And if it's free, why not use it? It's tough to preach that, though, because, you know, it's the same thing with violence as it is with drugs is that it's like,

you know, every new rapper that dies from taking pills or lean or whatever, it's like you can look at somebody else a couple years before that who died from the same thing that was a beloved cultural figure. You can look at somebody a couple years before that all the way back to, you know, pimpsie, whoever. I mean, like, and then the same thing with the violence thing. It's like somebody like six nine should have been able to look at Bobby Schmurter and say like, oh, I'm blowing up as a rap star, but I don't, I got to be real careful to stay away from the farthest end of the violent shit. It's hard to tell a young kid who's experiencing crazy success, this is why you need to be cautious. Yeah, I mean, it, yeah, but that's why we have to get them before they get there.

We have to get them before they get there. And that's very important. And this was my, and this was my. big beef. This is not what you want. It's not what you want. You don't understand the masses. It's like you said earlier, they can't believe the layers of this story because it's a little too deep. You can't believe they made a mistake and let a virus out. They can't believe that. I made a mistake, man. You made a mistake, man. Nah, America love beauty. Look, we have people of beauty. Now our beauty have been taken.

Our beauty have been taken because we got to wear masses now when we're outside. See, people can't believe certain things. They just think that this thing just happened. They can't believe one morning you could wake up and it could be a state missing. This is real. This is real. And this is what the people can't believe, man. They can't believe this.

It's like they just thought it was all. But, no, it's bigger than Six Nine. Sixth, nine, but he played a part because of certain statues that was in place. So, yeah, and behavior. But if the youth can't follow what happened out of these two individuals, then

be more than doing. No, I hear that. Because, like, even when I heard that, like, and at the time, I was getting a lot of money when that song came out, I said this song is crazy. You know why? Because when the song is being played in other parts of America, and it's sad, but listen, it's life.

You can't go around saying you did this, man. You got to try to pick your rose wisely or sing another song, you know, because it won't be enjoyable. It's crazy, though, even as a growing man, I'm still, you know, just caught a body about a week ago. You know, I'm in my, like, mid, late 20s by the time that song comes out, and I'm still listening to it. I still know what a bad message it is for the kids, and it still sounds hard to me.

It's a lovely song. I can't even imagine how it sounds a 16-year-old, you know? Right, right, right. Who's very, very intrigued by this world. Exactly. But if they're not school right, you would have to deal with the consequence. It becomes a gift for the curse. And you see that when I meet somebody and I'm talking to their kids or something,

like when they have a kid who's 16, 17, 18, and I realize, oh, this is a kid who his dad actually instilled it in him, that all that shit isn't cool in a way that I don't think my dad could have because he didn't know what the fuck he would have been talking about, you know? Like, if my dad even trying to talk to me about drugs, he didn't know what the fuck the drugs were. You know? So it's like if, I don't know how many kids you got or if you got kids, but.

Yeah, I have kids. I have boys. But you're coming from a point where hopefully they'd be able to respect what you know about the world that they are now. Yeah, you know, now the individuals I get to get close to either if it's my kids and I have a conversation with them or I'm talking and passing, I try to get them to Jews. Like, it's bigger than what it's bigger than what it looked like. Like right now, it's very big. It's so big that truthfully, we just got to live you. You got to live you. And by living you is you got to go. It is what it is, but you got to live you. because they go do what they got to do

the plan going to go through ain't stopping no plan do you see big change coming because of a lot of the protests and stuff do you think that a lot of this signifies that there's going to be a real look taking at you know not only just like how our economy is shaped and stuff

because you know that that is the root of a lot of the problems here is that like a young person growing up in Brooklyn from a impoverished background doesn't necessarily see a lot of hope from going and getting a job or going to college and starting a career. In a lot of ways, I think that a lot of this concern and a lot of the protests and the outrage

is because people feel like the system is fundamentally set up for them to fail and that there is no upside for them. I can't go for that. No? No, I can't go. I can't back that. I can't back it.

In what sense that you feel like everybody still needs to hold on to that hope? The system you could get around that. It's you. You can't blame the system. You can't blame, you know, you can't blame the racist. You can't blame none of that. You can't blame the system, man.

Because you could do it. You could do it. Some people can do it, but not everybody can do it, right? Right, right. Everybody can't do it. And those who can't do it have to pick their lane. They got to pick their lane. You can't blame the system.

And I go through this a lot with people. Like, I can't blame that I've been to prison. I can't blame that I spent seven years in solitary confinement. I can't blame the whole police force because of eight bad apples. I can't be mad at this white correction officer that showed me so much love because his other partner is KKK with a black baby with a noose around his neck. But this one... We got a tattoo?

Huh? He had a tattoo of a black baby with a noose trying to snack? Oh, yes. I've been in penitentiaries, not camps or penitentiary. You know, I tell people this shit. You got jails, camps, and you got the penitentiary. Real jail. Big house.

Yeah, you got the babies with the nooseers around the necks. Jeez. But I can't be, I can't say this officer right here who eats with this one or whatever his thing is because he's a certain color, it's like all alone. Because when he comes to my cell, he deals with me with the most highest respect. He tells me someone that probably my own color won't even tell me. This officer right here, he says, hey, you're not coming back anymore. He could tell.

Yeah, you know, you've got officers that, let's say, been working on the cell block for 10 years. I've been on the cell block three years. 80 guys on the cell block. He knows what every inmate do. He knows what music that one like. He know what music. He knows what you like to eat. He knows what you do at 3 o'clock.

Women, he's here. 10 years. Every day, this is his shift. So, you know, me. You got to pay attention to something, right? Of course, he have to know. He has to fire me. He got to know how you want to act on Saturday

because, you know, everybody got life. He's got a lot of time. So it ain't take enough for you to come out just sell with a knife and put a hole in his chest. While he's doing it, you know what I'm saying? Like, what you got to lose? But when you have, like we mentioned an officer, he's watching everybody on the gallery. What he do at 2.30? He'd do at his o'clock.

He'd go at 9 o'clock. He'd go on Saturdays. And then, you know, I had all of someone. I'm talking now. He comes to me. He's saying, um. You're not coming back. That's nice, so.

He watched 80 guys, and he sees one guy that reads a lot of books. I don't listen to no music. I don't watch no TV. I got 100 books and articles on my bed, and he watches this for three years. That's what he watches. Out of everybody, I have no girls on my wall, so he watches this. Everybody, you know what I mean? He looks.

But again, I've been had my pitfalls. But am I going to blame the system because of the pitfalls I didn't have? No. Because I know I could have done even better or worse. That's the new way, though. We've got to blame the system. No, you can't blame the system. Listen, I'm going to be honest, man.

You can't, I didn't been convicted. I didn't been all kinds of situations. And I can't blame the system, man. Who I'm going to blame? I can't say, oh, because I went to jail for 15 years. Is a system for a no. I choose to do what I've done to put myself in that situation.

If you make your bed, you lay in it. You can make it soft or you can make it hard. There been times I've been in a penitentiary and I've been laying on the mattress this small. And I went to ask for another mattress. Because I said, I made my bed. I got to lay in the shit. I don't want four-five blankets.

I want to be able to head. hit this shit and fill that metal thing right there. Because it's the bet I made. So I'm gonna lay in this shit, man. And I don't want no extra mattress, C.O. And I don't want no new one either. This shit got russed things on it. I'm gonna lay on this shit until I can't lay on it no more.

Because I made my bed. So I can't blame the system, man. I can't, I can't blame. No, like I see what's going on now. I can't blame no, no, no. no one because of the color of their skin. I'm saying. I can't blame.

I can't go that route, man. You know, and it's sad to see, and you can't blame people for whatever you go say, oh, because he, like, nah, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is crazy. Definitely. What, what, um, so, you got the book, were you, right, working on this the whole time you were locked up most recently? Um, you know, I went, I went, um, I went back a few times.

You know, I was actually, look, you know what's crazy? Check this out. And I know the guys that scene is going to be like, yo, I was with him. Look, when I got to that house, right? Remember the house I told you in Raggers Island? Right. The closed monitors, super maximum house. Yeah.

We know how I'm in there, right? I'm in there with a neck brace on, head rack. Now, mind you, I'm in the house. Real notorious cutters is that. These guys is going to jail for a long time. They have anything to lose a lot of these guys in this house. guys is getting cut in this house every day every day

someone's getting cut in this house right every day in his blood on blood wall every day someone's getting cut in this house and nothing happened to you no one happened to me let me tell you

well we heard the story about you cutting people in jail back in the day that fucking story you told on the other interview I listened to about you slashing some motherfucker your first day in oh yeah what I got the rack of salad but not because because I was tough, but I'm wounded when I got the rackets out on this time.

Right, yeah. Shot the neck, the head. I got the, I had to tell her home, so I'm going to write a book about this shit. They just like, yo, what you go? Because they didn't know the in-depth. They didn't know what's good. They didn't see the rainbow head kid with the billies. They like, what?

I'm like, yo, I'm like, I'll be going to the phone. I'm like, yo, I'm going to write, I'm right. Because when I'm in the can, I only talk to certain type of dude, you know what I mean? If you ain't let my lifestyle, I'm not going to really talk to you don't matter who you are. You don't matter what set you are, you know what I mean? like and I don't really say too much I let you find out on your own who in your house like I had a big sex money murder comie come back from court one day and he was like yo you're the big homie he was like yo so he went back there with his crew when I'm just like

eight of them and you know he was the like the leader at him he was like yo this is fucking so why you never said and I said well I got to say something for me I want to come and say I'm I'm still Billy who get all this money and I'm this you know this you You know, no, you went to court, you seen somebody that know me, and they told you, they asked you who was in your house, and you threw my name, they said you went there with him. You know who that is? So now, it's better from hearing it from somebody else. You know what I mean, than hearing it from the person is about.

So, especially when it's good. But the Rackazana, when I first got there, the situation happened in, you know, 4Main. See, 4Maine at the time was what we called. and I don't want to say because I'm not right no when I say this is jail slain Germans is what they call us Latins on Rackazana so for Maine at the time

was consider a German house too up which was two top was considered a black house so it was a lot of times the CEOs to play games they didn't know you black but they'll put you in a

for me. And of course, you know how that's going to end up. And if you're German, it puts you in Tu upper. You know how that's going to end up, right? So when I got up there, I had to go because I was blood. And I wasn't even with no New York set, though. But it didn't matter because it was a war.

And you brought in me with like, this ain't nothing. I ain't no New York set. but they didn't you know at that time they didn't care and um for main is a cell black i don't know if you're familiar but okay you come upstairs as a gate right you got to it's what we call it the a and b gate you come in the middle then there's a mesh wire which is a dayroom there now there's another gate you got to get buds through you want to see the shower you want to see the phone see another phone

and you're going to see the dayroom door when you walk through that second door it's going to be like walking through Nino Brown or Carter the motherfucking, what was that room? Nino Brown. What, with all the naked bitch that's cooking crack?

Nah, when they were smoked out. Right, right. It's like walking through that shit that's going to be lit. Really? Yeah. And I already knew it was lit from

I told you the mesh wire was everybody in the day room there you know you know you know when it's going down you know they come to the gate right so you know what it's going to be when it's coming you know these niggins know who what oh you black so you this

and somebody stepped you immediately yeah immediately yeah because when that gate opened up they stepped to you immediately and I already had the New Yorker rat and I cut them from hair to here and got back in closed the dayroom door

and it was lit from there you know they spit in it's like little ones like this but then when you you as soon as you do that did you get in trouble for that or they just put you in yourself I went to the

there's a thing called the Bing right at the time um it was one main we had the predicate side and you had the side for fighting uh huh the side for fighting for us

was you that's when you have your flat your feet of flap is open the predicate side is everything is closed and for cutting him, I got a hundred and twenty days for that. And the officer's just like, how the fuck did this guy get a fucking blade in here?

He's just getting checked in. Not mind you, the officer could see through the, through the bubble. So when she see the cut and go down, I close the day room door. He backs up towards a shower. They try to rush. I go back in the A&B gate. The door closed. You can't get to me now.

Everything is locked up. Right. Now the squad is coming. you poured the pen but the only thing they got is the gates so they could spit and you know throw shit at you throw the milk at you I'm out of here the spot is blown

but I told you you put me in that house that's how it's going down right but it's the game that the CEOs used to play on Rackis Island but am I gonna be mad at anybody because they played that game no but did they put you back in that same jail

after you get off of that 120 did? It is that jail it was C-74 right but they didn't put you back in that section don't put you back in that house but you're going to one of them house. You're going, you're going to a house. You might see the same person you cut two days later. But you got to be a wanted man at that point, right?

Yeah, at that time, at that time, at that time is lit. Right. You know, and for me, I was going to the visit a lot. So I were running to a lot of people, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, you know, they'd throw their little words and, you know, say this stat and the third. And when you get the population, we go do that, that's the third. But I don't know. When I get the population, you might be cut already. Or you might be already transferred.

Because I'm in the Bing. And that was called It's the predicate side That's where all the cutters As adolescents went to at that During that era Right And you know

It was a crazy experience Being young like that Because you know You're young You wear a lot of chains To the visit It was a lifestyle You know

And being on Wreck and Zellant At that time When the Bloods was at an uprising It was a hell of a A hell of what I say Bidding You know Because I mean

When you're jillin We call it you doing a big, you know, you've been in. It was a hell of experience, man. I saw IG Live video where you were, you had some harsh words for like Mano, Casanova at that time as well. You said you've sunned everybody that Meno looks up to. Right, right. I was like, holy shit. Yeah, I could definitely talk on this.

You know, all right. As I told you before, I used to be out of town a lot, you know? and I was out of town I didn't really care where you was from I really didn't care if you was from my way that would make me eager to violate you so a lot of the guys

because Mayno was in the year at the time that Mayno so-called looked up to I didn't violate them in New York and out of town you know and when I say valet raw made them leave the town you know what I'm saying

so in New York fired dawn so come to find out these is your big homies I can't fuck with you because these are the niggas you look up to

and this will be it's a conflict in other words it's a conflict and interest to have any kind of relationship moving forward being that

your big homies is like nothing to me I didn't made these niggins leave town and all the other kind of shit. So it was like, I ain't got no, I can't fuck with you, but that's what it was.

Again, it comes down to this, to this, to this, and my thing was like the pretending shit, you know what I mean? Like, you had a situation at one time with a real street dude. You ain't performed. And I don't care if the guy's my family. You ain't performed.

So I can't jack you. You're talking about Mena? Yeah. I can't remember who you're talking about that he had an issue with, but. Whoa. the guy who was dating Lil Kim and beating her up

Oh, okay Right You didn't feel like he handled that situation properly Yeah, you ain't You ain't perform But you perform on these little guys Why you ain't perform So that's like I can't

It ain't just about I was still fuck with a nigga It don't matter if your people I violated but You ain't perform So you can't stale That's that that's it Like you stalled on these other little guys

too young burr little seas well trinidad james but when you had a real situation you know what i'm saying that's really playing like this in these streets you ain't you ain't you ain't want no smoke my nigger and you told them a few cases so yeah you know like so we go we go that's another thing you know what I'm saying like I've been with your code offending I've been in the yard with your code of finning I didn't walk the yard with your co-defendant. I didn't heard the harsh words your co-defendant had for you and the anger he displayed towards you

because of your testimony on him. I had to hear that shit in the yard. So for you to portray an image, it could go for the people you selling it to, but not for me if I was the one walking in the yard, you know,

with a guy who I had to hear complain about your behavior. You know what I'm saying? But he's too afraid to say anything now because, you know, he did 25 years. He just want to come home and run his little non-profit organization. You know what I'm saying? He don't want no problem. You know what I mean? Do you feel like, okay, so one thing, 6-9 comes out, he obviously snitched.

He starts saying, I'm calling out. This person who snitched, I'm calling out. This person who snitch. Is he right in general that there's a shitload of hypocrisy in terms of how he is viewed as opposed to how a lot of other people are viewed in hip-in-hipp? And you know I don't mess with him. I know he's not your friend. Right.

So I'm going to always keep it a buck. Do you think he's kind of right about that? Yeah. That he's, people are treating him like he's the first person who ever since hip-hop history. No, he got the right to do that. Look, and I don't mess with him because we know the relationship I have for him, but I'm a stand that, yeah, call it out because he ain't the only one.

He ain't the only one. But what is it because I don't want to do the race thing because I'm not a racist. I love white and I love black, yo. I got a white girl on my neck. Shut up, man. Right, I play hockey, man. You know what I'm saying? I play, like, I don't deal with the race thing, man.

Even if I don't fuck with you. I don't fuck with bicks. But I'm going to say it's more of a race thing now. Oh, he does, he that. It ain't, come on. Come on. There's a lot of y'all that's that's told. And it's more than that.

It's all that's working with a lot of people that's old. So you think that he gives Judge differently because he's Hispanic and not black? Yes, definitely. Like it's expected for Hispanic people to snitch? A little bit more accepted? Well, for who? Like for Hispanic people to snitch rather than black people?

But you think black people are held to a higher standard when it comes to the snitch and shit? Or I guess... You know, what I'm glad you said that. I'm going to say like this, right? Black people ain't know the difference between snitching or anything until they heard it from the Italians.

Hmm. They didn't know nothing about snitching and all this. What they... It's what they learned and adapt from the other cultures. You know, that ain't... Who was mainly big on the snitching thing? The Italians. Right?

The mafia. The code of silence. So the black culture took that behavior and plunging into the yo. Sting, man, keep it real. Yo. That wasn't never, y'all thing. That was the Italians thing.

That was they cold a silence, you know? Ain't nobody snitching. And then they became into the hip-hop thing. You know what I'm saying? And they ran with it on a large scale because they got the voice. But they're not really like that. I'm not saying, oh, but a lot of them would do the same thing he'd done. And we're doing it right now with little to no money.

And the thing is that most people can snitch and not that many people know. With him, he had to do it in front of the world. Now, this is what I want to say, right? And that's interesting because when everybody knew he told on a sexual misconduct case, guess what? They were still supporting him.

They were still supporting him. But since it was on a low level and it wasn't like what he did in front of the world, now it's like let's turn our backs on them no y'all supported them but who did he snitch on just the other guys that he was with when that whole situation happened? I don't want to say his name but he's home now he's saying this little thing about it

he told on top because you know tie jumped out the window because he thought they was coming for another case Biggs 9 was in the crib when he got down to the station he let it all out and everybody knew that then so why what happened is it

causes on a big scale now if it was under the table then y'all be with it nah man keeping a hundred away around the board interesting you know what i mean like keeping a honey why is it because what he there's a lot of rappers i know several that took money from ceo chris that took that 20 000 i know a few strippers that tuck that money off that table when he left 20,000 on it. So if it's becoming a business thing or whatever how you want to put it, by the same behavior towards him, he directed to others that's doing the same behavior or even have done, it ain't that energy and directed towards them either. Because there's a lot of guys in the industry that's big things. And when they come to court, and it's still like,

why is it? Because they, they money. is longer. What is it? They could put you in a position. What is it that that energy and directed to a lot of individuals that behave like that? I mean, the thing with 692 is that it's a lot of people didn't like him in the first place. And so it's like a very good reason to not like this guy. I mean, I do think it's particularly scummy and distasteful. Just like, you know, there's something about the image of him being out there on camera, bragging about his money and his watches when there's all these regular gang members that are in jail and you're just walking around.

It just seems like particularly gross, you know? It's, you know, I don't, um, you got to understand this, right? He's hurting. You can, you can feel it when you listen to him talk. Yeah. He's hurting. Mm-hmm. You said it.

And when you said it, I wish I could have called him said you at him. What are you, psychic? He said, yo, he ain't the same. Right. As he was. And now if you look back, weeks later, billboard, erase them. No organization won his money. No playlist on Spotify.

No playlist on Spotify. That's huge. That's like, that's like the thing. You know, they don't play them on the radio. That's a big thing, but they don't even put them on rap caviar. That has such an unbelievably huge effect on your content, not being out there. So now it ain't the money you want because what you're going to do? He wants to be loved and respected.

Right. He wants to be popular. That's what he wants. And now the things that he once desired is now no longer gravitating to him. They're not even possible. Right. So this is what's hurting them. And to see, to the people that's on the outside, they start to see it.

But even when he go live, it's like the main thing that you want it now is being distracted from your life. So, all right, cool. You can have a couple dollars. Everybody got a couple dollars. Or get a couple dollars. We live in a society where making money is I'm not from China, Taiwan I'm from the United States of America

Because, okay, two things, Troy F said. Number one, Troy F. keeps saying the streets is dead and I'd be interested in know if you agree with that. You know what's crazy? I was listening. What's that joint, Chuck Norris before I came in? For some reason, I was listening to that song. That's the song he made, Chuck Norwich. You said what he said?

Because I know I know a little bit about the case. leave that was incarcerated, I know about that case. I know the guy banged, I know his brother's, Revy Well. Right. I know his hope, so I know, but go ahead. He said what? Free tax stone, just for the record. Go, free tax stone, man. He's going through it right now and that in that hell hole in the Allen, man.

That's facts. Brood up, yo, for any of y'all officers on the island, man, make sure y'all handle tax stone, Revy Well, man. That's facts, man. Free tax, man. So Troy always says the streets is dead, which is interesting here from his perspective. but then also Troyav always has recently said

that basically if the bloods the bloods need to kill 6-9 at some point or else is basically like he's saying that that denigrates the whole existence of the organization. How do you feel about that? The bloods do not need to kill 6-9. The bloods need to leave 6-9 alone and let 6-9 kill himself.

And that's what's going on. You don't have to do nothing to him. Right. It's right in your face. It's not hidden. It ain't happening behind closed doors. Everything that's happening to 6'9 is happening in front of the world to see.

Right. Just look. Did the organization take his money? Is he on Spotify? Can you Google? What's that thing they got, the billboard? Mm. Oh, YouTube just said 15 million of them views was fake.

Mm-hmm. Well, YouTube's happy, though, because YouTube got paid for those views. Right. It said 50 million was, was not organically. Let's use the proper word. So everything that means something to him,

money don't really mean nothing to him because he never had no money. He had sex with a few girls. If that's what he ever wanted, the experience, which he wasn't ever like that. But now that he got a taste of it, okay, you got a couple dollars. But you don't have what you want

because some things is in taking that. But the strange thing about it, too, is that, you know, A, obviously most of the city is still pretty much shut down, but then B, he's on house arrest, and he can't really be outside the crib and shit. So at a certain point, it's going to be an option for him to go outside, for him to go and be out somewhere, at some event, at some show, whatever. And that's when we're going to really start to see how this is going to unfold, because if we know anything about him, he's a line pusher.

And he's going to put himself in situations that maybe anyone with sense, would think that he shouldn't, and we don't know how that's going to play out. It's going to be very, very weird. Well, for one, we must all know that. He has a certain audience that if someone is planning to do the wrong thing, will stick out like a sword thumb.

Because the method I applied to six big snob is his audience is not from Brownsville, East New York. Nothing is happening in Belgium. Nothing is happening in Netherlands. Nothing is going to happen in Norway. Because everyone, if we ever get to that point again in life, right now, we might not never have another concert. Right of wrong.

No, it's definitely a possibility. It might not never be another, we might not never have a Marsh Pit ceremony in life. It might get to the point that by the time there's another huge festival that 6-9 could hypothetically perform at. that it wouldn't even seem realistic because it's going to be like two years from now when his whole career has basically, I mean, there's pretty much no doubt

that his career is in a state of decline at this point, I think. You like a psychic. I'm telling you, when you said this, I don't know where I've seen it. I read it and I screenshot it because you know, you know, you're my guy. So I screenshot, I say, yo, how do Adam know this? I said, so I'm not the only one.

I thought I was special. But I said, yo, you said it. You said, yo, he's not. he said yo and i said yo he he watched that and you're right now is this and ain't being hit it and he's trying to over he's trying hard he's fighting he's fighting yo he's fighting like a baby out of water right because he knew that when he first came out there he was going to be able to get this crazy amount of attention then what's he do for the next song because he can't go down as soon as the views start to go down it's a really bad look for him so what's he do he goes and gets one of the

biggest artists of all time nicky minage boom that's what he's going to need to do the thing is Biggest artists of all time, Mickey. Well, no, maybe not all the time, but she's one of the biggest artists out. In terms of having a rabid fan base that will really help a song go number one, she's basically at the top of the fucking pyramid

in that sense. But what's crazy about that is that his first Instagram live back, he did 2 million viewers at one time. His next Instagram live with Nikki Minaj, I think, topped out of 800K. So that's about 40% of where you were at your first one. And so that's two lives. So where does he go from that?

What happens the next time he puts out a song that doesn't have a big feature? What happens the next time he goes on live and he's got 250K people watching and then slowly just sort of trickles back down into being a regular-ass rapper? It really does. Because how much can you really show a display wealth

or behavior that no, none of it ever had no debt or substance? You hear me? We all know it was a game. Right. We all know it wasn't what you are. Like I know Danny. you know unfortunately

no fortunately you wasn't with me because I wouldn't want you be in no trouble right now but I met him like very early on in the career when he wasn't shit too you know okay

fortunately you wasn't with me because I went with you in no trouble but unfortunately that I know the guy who I had hand I had the hell just to get him to the stage right so this guy who he's behaving like this

this is not who he is man but right now in this state he's fighting for dead life, man. Really? Like, it's over. Because we all know how he judges himself is on the popularity and the fame.

That's it. I see. And it's just self-evident to me that that is in a state of decline. And so eventually, like, he's going to have to act out and he's going to do crazy things to try to recapture that energy because at the end of the day, what is going to make people pay attention to him again?

Some crazy violent shit? Some really... You know, I can't even imagine like what could make people pay more attention than where he was at like two months ago when he first got out and did that first Instagram Live and everything. Yeah, you're right. Something really dramatic would have to happen for people to be that interested again. Right, right, right.

You know? Right. I mean, at this point, man, my words to him, wisely, like I try to give him the wise words before this, these people, their albums when they come. You don't even got to perform. There's no contract in saying you have to perform any song. any of these albums. We ain't got to perform one song.

These people, they albums, you get your money, and go live your life. They're going to stop caring about the album soon, so it's going to seem like less of an obvious option. This is why he need the bulbs. This is why, listen, revenue important is this,

and I show to this. Color schemes. Color schemes and trade the eyes. who's more Settive to color than anybody Kids Children Right

But the thing is too Is with the young audience That still appreciates them That's the audience That's the most transient That they'll move on the most Because they're literally in a state of changing Who they are at any given time

If you thought 6'9 was dope at 14 Well Like when he first came out Now you're 17 Now you're 18 Now you're starting to listen to some other shit Now you've got to revend So that fan base is very, very fickle.

And the next generation of kids who come out, you're some old shit to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah. Because every other rapper that you could put into like the SoundCloud rapper category that was kind of hot at the same time that he was hot originally has mostly fizzled out and their careers have slowed down a lot.

Who was, um... You know, like Lil Zan is an obvious example of somebody who had a ton of attention for a while. And then people just kind of slowly got sick of talking about him. every day and they moved on. And the same thing would have already happened with 6-9. Right. But he got a Fed case and he got locked up. Trippy?

Trippy seems like, you know, Trippy I think is one of the most talented musically. So I feel like there's a reason why his career is still doing pretty good. He's doing pretty good. He's more talented. I think he's got more staying power. And he didn't make a bunch of corny-ass albums of just straight him trying to make hits. He makes weird, weird emo-type albums of him singing his heart out.

He's out there. He's out there. He's a little different. It's a different kind of little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. But then he come up. That's the same.

When the music is good, that's one of the main thing that can help you from just being the rapper of the moment. You know, you can say the same thing about Playboy Cardi or Uzi. You know, because we know he's not. Lyrics-wise, it's not there. I don't think that. It's not. It's not.

And he's managed to make a bunch of hot songs by, you know, whatever means he did it. But it's a little different than when you have an artist that's a real artist. It feels different, you know. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, it's cool to be, right now he has to move on. because if he don't move on willingly it will happen like you said

forcefully because his category like you said they grow they go from 17 to 19 so what is going to be left for him and then what next let's say 24 months especially what's going on right now

because how much attention can you really hold if the peoples can't touch you or smell you or actually be able to how much can we really get over this. And it's also, what is the tone of your content in comparison to what is the stuff that

people seem like they want right now? Because I would say that the market, in the mood of the market, is like they don't want dumb music. They want stuff that has some type of meaning. A little bit of, you know, substance, structure, art to it. Because, you know, the tone of the country of hip hop in particular is like there's, you know, atrocities happen, there's terrible things happen. They want music that maybe even if it doesn't exactly comment.

on that? Why we don't have a label? Why there's no no jump of records? That's complicated. Come on. Like, you've been studying. I'm made to put things to the side now. You're so right.

So this being that you're right, it's going to. It's not a good time for his style of content is what I would basically say. It can't be said, no, it can't. At this point, it's really going down. Maybe he'll be a conscious rapper. Maybe it would be political six-niners on the way.

There's no way you can really be in that. You know, I'm not, you know, I'm so far gone that I'm not even watching. It's really the times that's happening right now really plays a major effect on what their people is going to set in their minds and their hearts, man, because of what we're going through right now. But things have changed. Things not what it was eight months ago, bro. Or even, like one month ago, the world was very different than it is today.

Dramatically different in terms of like how everything is viewed. You know? Right, man. And it's like, even if, what I was saying before, even if the music doesn't exactly commentate on the state of affairs, even if you never say George Floyd in your music, there's a certain tone that people are probably more willing to accept right now, I think. You're right. No, you're right. It's not, it's not. Nobody wants to hear how fucking rich you are, how big your watch collection is.

That stuff. Now it seems sort of like, oh. You know what no one wants to hear that, man. You're doing that in the face of a national uprising. Yeah, because, and a lot of it is due because, one, he don't know nothing else. That's why I just said, get your money and go. Because what else will happen? What else will happen? It's over.

Your style on what they was receptive to? When it was that time, an incident turned that whole situation around. Everything could change. We might not never have a concert. Yeah, and that's a crazy shit, too, yeah. So now, you don't, the peoples could never see you do what you once did. That's crazy to say that, too, because it's like a lot of music is made for the live experience. And right now, it seems kind of silly to make music for the live experience.

Realistically, you're making music for people in their homes, or maybe music. be their cars. That changes shit a lot too because a lot of times you see artists like Kanye's obvious example who like comes out making music that's a little more low-fi then you got to go perform that music and then he starts to realize the importance of making the huge monstrous sounding song. And that sort of changes you know he's one of the greatest artists of hip-hop. Yeah, yeah. But his music was very much shaped by that, that impetus I believe.

You know what I love about him too. I love. I love the point that he gambled on himself. I love the point that he was down. And shout Kim out, shout Kim Kardashian. I'll throw. She's real. She's really real, man. I talk about them a lot.

And I'm going to be honest. I'm not a real music fan. Really? I listen, I guess, in passing, but I do more brainstorming. Which don't leave me no time to really listen to any kind of music unless I say, you know what? Stop neglecting yourself. Tone down. Here's some sounds.

You know, I got to really tell myself that. But what gravitated me to Kanye was, I really never listened. Like, I don't, I'm not, I'm not a big, I'm just not, it wasn't the music. It was his downfall is uprising. And it don't matter who you is. And when you come in the game,

you can still take a major effect. He came in the game last. we had the trades the jays the nazas the puffs all that she with congey riss right now him he's the only the only rapper who could publicly support trump and get away with it facts i don't think anybody else could pull that off i'm kind of amazed that he's been able to and he look look and he have i mean like he's he's straight like he don't see nothing he don't hear nothing though i think he's oblivious to everything around him only would he focus on. That's why he's winning. Look, he went down, right? He went down and said, yo,

now he's, you know what happened? You don't got to say nothing to me, man. Whoever don't like him, he ain't got to say nothing to him. Because his actions showed that I was once want to come under you. But y'all gave me a cold hand. But they gave him a hard time. Oh, yeah. He ain't have it easy. So people got to understand that kind. You ain't have it easy. To the outside, they might think, oh, he's affiliated with whoever. He ain't have it easy. They hated on him, but it was the reason why they hate it on him, and we could see why. But they must have seen something he didn't see at the time.

He might have knew. They said, it's going to be different. Yeah, I mean, there's something to be said for somebody who knows that, who knows that they have a vision of the future and are not going to listen to anybody telling them no, which is 100% what he was. He knew that fashion-wise, music-wise, him, like his brain. I do think he's strayed from being so prophetic in certain ways over the years. But I think the Trump thing is a misstep. But, you know, yeah, there's a lot of, there's definitely something to be said to that.

Because there's a million motherfuckers walking around who think that they know what's hot. Right. And they're wrong. They think they know what's about to happen next and they're 100% wrong. He's somebody who thought he could see the future and he was right, which is. he was so right. And you know, he went through some major incidents. He had a bad car accident.

Taylor Swift on stage? Taylor. He had the president, Obama, called him a jackass. You're not supposed to be able to recover from that. He's a beast. I love him. You know why? Because it's like, again, look, he's oblivious.

He's seasoning anything. It's what Kanye want, and that's sick. And, you know, he's in the movie. You know he's going to be in it. You got to bring Kanye West on the Trayway movie. There you go. We got to bring Kanye West on the movie, man. There we go.

Are you working on the movie? What else you got going on in the works besides this book, which I'm going to read when you're at home? A few, you know, I'm starting to Snow Vision Pictures Network when I'm producing different movies, different series. And I'm thinking now, like I was saying to the staff, earlier yo know the snow billy frankstein it's like going to be the new jerry spring of 2020 because um i'm having everybody come on having rapists um transindis pop stars whoever girls from the neighborhood is going to be the 2020 jerry spring you know you're going to have we're going to have guests we're going to have an audience now and do the country you know the pandemic we've got to see

everybody chair missing you know that thing you know that thing you know that kind of thing they got going on where they got to be an empty seat. What I don't understand is this, though. I was on a flight, and they had three of us in a seat. That's not supposed to be like that. Yeah, the airlines are the one place that refused to do the alternate seating. You're supposed to be, you can't sit three in a row. So back to what I'm saying is starting the whole Frank Stan podcast,

I'm going to sit there and have my guests, and we're going to come on, talk to you, and we're going to let you express, hear whoever you want with a Frank. Drama to come. That's what we doing. Just addressing frank hair behavior Yeah Come in get some labs

Throw some hot dogs We go for the day There you go But mainly I'm working on that heavy I'm shout out to Star Shout out to Star I watched Star's content

I talked to him yesterday He's seen a put You know Months ago We was in talks of Doing a cop movie You know I play his partner

A situation happened But it was just in talks, nothing major. You know what I mean? We've been, so I spoke to him yesterday. He said, yo, we got it. Let's get it going. I said, well, we'll get back. We go sit down and we go map it out and get it going.

I play his partner and be too crooked cops in. There you go. You know, when we were over, I'll tell you the last. But we hear me, we're going to start working on that. But in the meantime, you know, I speak to Star like, I don't call him every day. Bobby 172, three weeks. I hit him up.

You know what I mean? But, you know, that's my bro. Love him to death, man. You know, he know I'm working. You know, y'all too. He never kept it always a hundred. So, y'all, I hit him. I said, listen, you got me.

You go do the movie, take it to another level. So that's what we got. And I'm doing a straightway movie, man. You're working on it. Yeah, I'm working on it now. I already got the calls. I'm going to see with the pictures. Have you done any interviews, like, for the other?

There's six nine type documentaries and stuff that they're working on? The only thing I did was with a big time director, Victor, Vic, Vic Gandhi. I think I might have done this one as well. I shot a lot of scenes with Vic, Gandhi's with Netflix and HBO. Right. He shot some stuff, some deep stuff. So I spoke to him not too long ago.

He had to pull everything down because I guess they're going with the production. But as for the, as for the, it had to be a series because it's too big for a movie. You know what I'm saying? And that's what I'm doing now to show the real rise. And it's not just, that's why it's not just me on the cover. It's everybody. Right. There's either guys who you've never even seen before.

Right. Definitely a few mystery faces to me on here. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we're going to show the realness. Like, it's a lot of meaning, even behind. that video type was I don't know one of them videos when he come up in the parking lot that's how he became blood

right you know what I'm saying I've been arrested for coming into the parking lot in a red blazer with the band dana on it you know what I'm saying committing the act you know I want to keep it positive but I went to jail for that for that image they used in that video

they used my likeness that how because who was behind it male. Right. Mel had the situation the time when they did that video. That's how he came

into the situation. So you had this kid pull up the way you know my life. You know what I'm saying? So it's a lot, man. But we need

Kanye West on this because I think right now with Kanye West behind this we'll take it to a number level. There you go. You and Kanye

you take this thing crazy. It's over. It's the biggest series out. Let's go. I can see it. Look, I mean, And when I say like really like, because I haven't really really gotten to people know, but the people who know they're from our neighborhood.

No one hardly ever knew who it snow was because I come from a neighborhood where there's a million snows. But now, which each of them do, the other ain't going to do. Some might be doing this. Some might be doing this. I'm doing what need to be done. And right now, we have to show the world right now. but really how this thing really is. Not for what they portraying their music

because they use this for a lot of things, man. We got cemeteries in California, man, that's stacked to the roof. They got three people in the plot, man. Right now, behind this lifestyle. We got cemeteries in Little Rock. We got mazzaninas in Louisiana stacked to the roof behind the behavior of this stuff. And the only how the youthful see it now is by them seeing it now.

They got to see it now. So before you want to become initiated with a game, understand the things that you might have to do, man. It might seem cool than it then. But what happened 15 years from there? That's facts. You know? This is the longest interview I did.

long time. Serious? Man, we almost three hours. Yo, you serious, I don't? Oh, Jesus Christ. Hey, they need it.

They need that content. Yeah, yeah. A lot of the best jewels were towards the end. Right, right, right. Right, right. Definitely, man. And that's what we got to give,

man, because they can't see it no other way. And only why I didn't go directly to production because sometimes you got to read. More people than got the book because I want you to read. Read, man. You know? You know, and, You do another one after I fucking get done this thing.

Right. You know, I have to, like, and people say, yo, why you wrote? I said because you could stress more. 98% of movies are made from the book. You watch any production. It's what you're going to say somewhere based. And because you could stress more. And I have to, and I know the homies and I know they're watching this,

they didn't understand when I said, you're going to write a book. I used to be in a cell block like this, twist it. I got that neck brace on my head wrapped up because the hole you know what I'm saying I got the other bandage inside the neck brace wrapped around me and I used to be like

yo I'm a write a book about this but of course they don't understand and I wouldn't inspect them to understand but now they understand they didn't understand then it's probably the thing that got was crazy like the big homie crazy big homie crazy

but he's right now here it go now you get the seat because no one knows about the original set no one knows how the blood came to Brooklyn Best. You know, no one understands how this kid

was able to get around. It's a good story. You know, no one, no, and this is where I have, like you have to see it, you have to see. And I remember when I first became it, and I didn't know that my cousin would make me do with things that I had to do. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm not mad, I don't regret anything. I ask for prayer and be forgiven. I've been dealt my karma and I accepted it like a man so I don't have a hole in my face because when I seen it I said I have to accept it because I believe in my guard

and my guard said if you believe in me you got to turn your back on your enemies if you believe in me not your mama not your kids not the woman you lay with if you believe in me you turn your back on your enemies no matter eight months from now.

And I said, you know what that's my, that's what I got to do. So when I seen it come, I said, it's my time. And I got up. I watched the fire, orange. Same way it happened to me, I delivered it. So, you know, it wasn't no, no. When you deal with your guard, your guard will request certain things.

from you. He's a spirit. He's going to request certain things. And you have to be willing to believe or not. And that's a game where you got to take. And that was again what I was willing to take. I turned my back on my enemies. And then he said, I'm going to place you on a rock. I'm going to place your head above your enemies. I ended up on Raggers Island with my neck brace on. All my enemies was outside. When I read the Bible faithfully, man, and I read what pertains to me. I can talk to you. It's all in what you're going through.

And I said, wow. I remember that. I remember reading that in my car. I'm going to place you on a... I'm going to place your head above your enemies. I'm going to place you on a rock. The rock, to me is what? Ragazana.

That's what we call a rock. We don't call it Ragazan. We call it the rock. You say, you're a nigga, on the rock. say you're on the rock say ragged around so in a Bible when it's say I place you on a rock when you get placed on a rock what would you say I'm on a rock right now place your head above your enemies I got neck brace on that's this big that got to stay up like this I wasn't wearing that joint I tuck it off man I can't there's no way to where I could keep it on my neck

like that in a place like that right I can't have it on my neck man when I go to sleep I put it on you know what I'm saying but I can't it's crazy I think it's like this man right you know I'm saying so

you know we gotta we gotta we gotta really be able to reach out we got it now though you know I think we're giving the people definitely what they need

definitely and um we get the right minds and like I said look you just spoke you just hit me and I'm not saying I don't know

it's that I haven't really been in tune Adam I've been like you know I've been trying to and get the things right. Because I got people in the industry that don't like me. You hear me?

And it's not because of, it's because I'm not, I'm like, Kanye, look, I'm going, if you're wrong, you're wrong, man. You feel me? And look, people say, yo, you gave this kid a chance. I didn't give him a chance. It ain't a buzzing about, I'm not, I've seen the potential. I know it's different. Things was added to happen, but you can't, can't look at me differently.

You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Because I wasn't part of none that manners. Right. You know, I understand why he told. Because anybody's so mad about that. He's not a street guy. That don't mean that he's wrong, because I know people who not street guys are still held their tongue.

Mm. But he's really, he's really not what he's showed. Mm. Facts. Yeah, I appreciate your time, man. You know, I'm here, man. Like, you know, listen, off record, I'll tell you, but you know, like, when I come, I'll book that day.

So, you know, the tickets is, like, $800. Oh, shit. I don't book two days later or three days late. Like, I booked that date. Like, I don't, because I don't know, you know what I'm saying? And I don't believe in people holding the money. So I got to come. Like, I booked now.

Like, let's go. Right. You know, I'm saying so I'm here. Like, you know, I told you already. Like, I, even though I wasn't in contact with you like that, I always felt the energy before I knew what everything was. And you were coming out my mouth. And you already know, you're solid, bro.

I mean, like, look. And, and, you know, I think I read son. And you're from where I come. Like, I've been at for years. Hmm. Like, I'm up in me. Like, that's. I'm from New Hampshire, but I lived in Queens and Brooklyn.

for seven years. Shout in H out, man. That's, I loved it up there. Yeah. That's why I really got all these tattoos. Look, I love, you know, that's just, I loved it up there, you know what I mean? Really?

Yeah, of course. Shout out to the whole New English. Yeah, man. Shout to the whole New England, man. Shout to Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Roe, New York, New York, Providence, can't forget Providence.

Shout out of the whole, the New England, Patriots out, man. Now I mean, New England is in the building. But, yo, listen, yo, you said you lived down there, Brooklyn on that, right? Yeah, right? Steinway Street in Astoria and I was on, I was going to the Knickerbocker post office

on Myrtle or, what was it on? I forget, I was in Bushway from Madlawn, though. He's been a long time. Yeah, right? Huh? Oh, man, wow, I ain't know. I ain't know. Hey, now I figured you just made the move right from,

um, came right on this side of the time. I had to go, I did some New York time. for a while yeah you made your round i didn't figure out though i didn't figure out i had to be going all the cool strip clothes and shit until i got out here and i was too old by the time i got out here yeah yeah you know i really hardly ever like you know i really don't go to too many strip clubs no like i only went with these guys because these guys asked to go right and because again they want they they need to face um face that goes a long way that goes a long way you hear me yeah and that's why i talked even before tukashi came and we was already affiliated

with the industry because we're the oldest set and all these guys somehow want to be affiliated with the oldest until they branch out so like we've been in this whole what is it music industry they want to say and i never looked at it like you know i just looked at it like this is part of life man but i understand that the work i've done and being with a lot of them that is important that you have importantness around you when you come to people you know what i'm just Especially when you're in Brooklyn. Like, I know several rappers I had to hold down when they came to Brooklyn. Yeah.

And I do it because of love because I ain't with the bullshit. It's not coming to a spot. The nigger knows what it is. Right. What's up? Like, I'm in the spot. I don't care where you from. If you're from where I'm from bed stop.

And we ain't got that many clubs. We got a joint called Milk River. Oh, wait. Let me get one shout out. to my man, yo, shout the whole Philly out. Shout my man, from, um, Jews. Shout my man, Jews.

Got all the hard cardy ears, don't I'm saying? A word? Yeah, I was saying. Yeah, I was a Philly man. His page is, um, oh, God. He shot him out real quick.

He was like, yo, you're going. I was like, yeah, man, I'm about to go shit out of him. Shown out the glasses guy? Yeah, man. He was like, yo, um, he was on it. He was on and he was like, yo, you're going like, yeah, I'm going. Vintage Jews, man.

Shout my brother out of that vintage Jews, man. Shout him out, though, man. You in Philly, I've seen a lot of people in there. But shout him out, man. He got all vintage. Vintage Jules, man. I'm talking about, but you've got to have some bands, bands. Because everything in there is, like, four bands, like.

For real? Yeah, these are like four bands, like, you know. And he's just vintage, so, you know. But he's doing this thing, man. He's the best in Philly. He got it right now and he fucks with you heavy. He was like, why I was out of smoking some gas. He was like, yo, you know, I try to go in and be here, connie,

what up? He's like, yo, what, oh. I'm like, yeah, I said, I'm going to give you a dog. Shout out. No, just for the love, but that's what I'm about. I'm about to love, brodie. You know what I'm saying? And when I'm with you, I don't need, I'm with you.

That's why I say, yo, don't, but just don't act differently. You know what I'm saying? Not towards me. Right. Because I've seen a lot of, like I've seen the distressing people and then when I appear, that distress go. Really? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, okay, cool. I'm some value. So respect me and handle me like that, man. That's all. I ain't asking much. I'm gonna do my own thing. I love you.

You talked about the book a year ago, bro. We made it happen. That's a good point. Look, a year ago. Sixty-nine shots. You was in the bathroom. Like, you know, people. People called me, right?

They said, yo, Adam, I didn't know who Adam was. I was like, I didn't know it was a big deal. But people were like, yo, Adam, they went crazy. So I said you should write a book in that, or I just talked about the fact that you said you were working on a book, right? Right, okay, okay. Well, people went crazy. And I didn't know. I didn't know.

Wow. So I'm like, all right. Like, they went crazy. They said, you don't know who that is? I was like, no, I don't know. Like, I'm not, I'm learning a certain new now. Right. And it was like, yo, like, you're like, and I don't know, I wouldn't care if you wasn't like that.

I like you for who you are, but they look at you like, yo, they went crazy, bro. Like, you, you, you like, I don't, I don't, I don't really act or hashtag like, but I want, I think I'll put you that I wanted to say, yo, I don't know what it is. But you need to be at the, whoever got a network, you need to be at the fucking top. I appreciate it, man. I wanted to say it, but I didn't even know how to, when I was putting it, I don't really be doing it at me because I'd be like, that's like pagan or something. So I don't like doing all that. I just like, I am who.

So I wanted me, when I put you up that, I was like, yo, I don't know what, but this is really important to the culture. You are where you're important to the culture. And many people feel you are important to the culture. I'm small all different races. I'm, I hear it. And I'm like, yo, I'm trying everybody. So you are really important to the coach and you need to have the best.

So whoever can make it the best, they had to do the right thing. And that's it. And that's it. You're bigger my head up right now. I appreciate it. Like, come on. I need this. I need this kind of energy more often.

You know, like, yeah. Like you, you, and I wanted to say that. I was like, but I didn't know how to add on that shit on that Instagram stuff. So I said, yo, if I get the, I'm just go. I'm gonna break it down. Like, yeah, you need to have that, man. Like, there's no way, there's no way in the world. Like, look, this is serious, man.

You ain't no regular, you ain't no regular guy. You ain't, you ain't, the culture really, I'm in a culture. So I know it's like, yo, as they put you next to, next goes after Adam, CNN, American greed. And so if this is what it is, then guess what? and a network got to apply and respect the creativity and the journalism

and to be able to intercept that and give what we what we ask for know what I'm saying because you can't you can't not creativity huh

that's strong right that shit that's probably stronger than that goddamn look I'm gonna get you one of these just so I can hear your review look that that right there you look like this is too strong you smoke a franto though huh

yeah but bro It's too, I can't. It's too strong. Oh, yeah? You hit the cookie store? Or where is that from? It came from, um, it's island. It's a hybrid.

It's strawberry bread. It's a banana. It's too strong. They, they drove it to me. Right. With a bag. Oh, you do the delivery thing. Yeah.

You do it. Yeah. Yo, they drove it. Look. I said, yo, they run the big bag. I said, oh, wow. I said, so you know, I'm like, what? I said, this is going to be.

I said, damn. I said, I can't. I think I can't smoke. I don't, I blow. I can't. I said, this is, this is, you don't need, sometimes I say, if you're looking to get hired in this, then you need another kind of drug, man.

You ain't, you don't want to smoke weed. Yeah. Like, you want to smoke something else. You just don't want to be putting that category. So you, disguise, and, of course, some of this shit is just too strong, bro. When you see somebody smoking, like, 20 blunts in a day, you're kind of like, you seem like you're trying to make this shit

into something more powerful. Maybe you need to just take a perk, you know? You need to take something up with this right here and doing it. And I see, you know, and I don't knock those that's doing it. I know some guys that's, they put on like three grams in the backwood. Oh, yeah. I'm saying, yo, I'm like, you bro, you smoking all that? They say the weed got to be over the backward, meaning they got to be more weed than backward.

Right, I agree. You don't want to feel like you're smoking a cigar. Don't knock you. But if you smoking that much weed and something this big, then straight. You start realistically as like a crackhead habit at a certain point when you spend it $400 a day on weed and shit too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of rappers who love that. Yo, yeah, because you got to understand, they roll in, they rolling two, three grams, bro.

Easy. It's a lot of weed, man. I used to kind of be like that, but I was only smoking a couple of day. But then the homies would be rolling like 10 more. So, you know. Yo, you got to, yeah, that's a, that's a lot of, that's a lot of weed, man. But, um, shout out to all the weed growers. Yeah.

I mean like... And everybody keeping them in business. Right, and everybody keeping them business. And I definitely, I never had straw, but then I just wanted to like, and I say, you know what they got it, man. I said, yo, this is it. And probably because I want the change the taste up, I don't know. I've been smoking ruts.

I'm smoking a lot of ruts. And I just want to. You got the Obama runts? No, I seen it. I didn't get it. I didn't smoke a man, but I've seen it. I got to get that. Anybody who got that, let me know.

I've seen it. I've seen it on a feed on Instagram. Yeah. I said wow, they made the Obama. I said, yo, these guys is out of it. You hear me? I'm surprised Obama ain't holler at him and be like, take my fucking face off the package. He's got it. He's supporting. He's showing love. Right, right. He's showing love. Because they got people that's even acting like Obama. You've seen the video with him. Oh, yeah. Yo, look, who he's with? I think it's money bag. Yo, one of the guys he's doing a video in the office with.

I say, yo, so they use his likeness, but, you know, what these kids? The Obama impersonator probably saw the Obama runs meme popping off. He's like, right. We back. We back. We bag. business. We ain't better had shit to do for four years. Here we are. We're back in it. Yo, he's crazy with it, man. Oh, man. Pro, man. I'm glad we was here because everybody was really asking for this,

man. You know what I said, yo, I said, you know, I said, you know, I said, if I give it to anybody, I'm going to give it to that. Fuck. I appreciate that. I said, like, you know, because you never heard me, like, without, without disgust, I never talk. Mm. You know, but

I've been allowed. to say what I had to say, but I still keep it respectful because I understand my role doing and how was that B-roll. I understand. So I keep it respectful. Like, you know, listen, I understand. I'm not oblivious to what goes on. I know how things is played.

I know how it's played. So I ain't taking no fault from nobody. I ain't even mad, man. all right listen it happened even i said it here though let me read i set it here though that's crazy i said i pray for everyone that was affected by this week or indictment and find forgiveness for themselves and pray others find forgiveness for them as well while each of you are on your journey through life educate yourself and read as much as you

can educate yourself and administer the lord open your heart to those who don't deserve it because god has open its heart to you as a token of appreciation to the lord we turn the blessing i pray Takashi 69 stay on the right path and give his heart to the Lord. I pray God bless Shadi with positively in his heart and bring him to understand the wrongs he has committed in life and strive to do the right next time. As for Mully, a.k.a. Melmurder, may God bless his soul and walk him into the path of righteousness.

May, may, uh, misspell, yo. They did a, yo, when I told you about that, this fucking printing, man. My dear friend, that's right, my dear friend, Harv, and Nuki, may Jesus take our hands and God, guide you each through the ministry of his confinement and keep you covered with his blood and prayer. Ernie Yeo, may the powers of Jesus remove all the diction from your body. I will continue to keep you in my prayers. Look at you.

You're looking like, you know, Adam is crazy. Adam is crazy, Doc. Don't make me... All right, so listen, what I said? Oh, keep you in his praise. Go murder. I know this one is tough. One for you, but God only gives his toughest angels the hardest battles.

my cousin Aaron I have forgiving you as well as Akashi 6.9 I pray one day you both can forgive someone see yo Chris where you were wrong is only up to God as a son of the Lord I forgive you and pray you can find forgiveness for yourself you know you're gonna make me laugh so hard man for me pray is for everyone who have ever been affected to gun balance and gang balance to those who lost their life to the Please, may God walk you so comfortable through the pearly white gaze of his kingdom. May God bless everyone who read this book and open their eyes to awareness of gang prevention. With Godness, staying on a straight lane.

There it is. And that's at the beginning, man. You know, I close that out. You got my... I'm going to be honest. I got peace so fucking bad. Yo, I know, right? I'm ready, man.

We're here, man. We always, you know. We connect this. So... I appreciate you. We're going to do this again after I read the book. though for sure. Oh, you know, we got to go on what you do with.

We got to touch on, which things that haven't ever been spoke about is in the reason why he came in a picture for the majority. Nobody understands that. Right. He just saying, say, hey, I'm here. Right. Impossible. You know, no one of, you know, he came, how he came. He came a certain way.

Right. You know, so now we got to elaborate on that as well. Eventually, you know, we're going to get to. I'm here. I'm not, you know, so I'm ready, though. I'm ready. I'm ready to really. I'm ready, because I have the finances, you know, to really show the world like the best series they will ever see right now.

And it ain't got to be $100 million. Give me two. Right. Make something to happen. Right. Yeah, we live. Yeah, for real. Look, we got it.

And we got to reach out. We need Kanye behind a project. Because he's part of it. It's got to happen. Remember the shooting at the old mansion. Right. Ah. I forget about that.

I know it's a lot. I know it's a lot of incidents. Remember, it's 69 shots. Remember, right? Wasn't he there? I think so. I think he was there too, I think. Yeah. Good point. She's lucky. She is. She's very lucky. Big Zoo better watch out. Yeah. Yes. Yes. No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I need the Big Zoo interview, actually. That's really all I'm concerned about. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What's what? What's going on with him? With him? I mean, I think. You ever did business with Big Zoo in the streets? No, I don't know him. I don't know him. But, you know what I think?

I just think that he's happy to come up with a situation because... That's quite the come up. Yeah, like, what else did he really have going for himself? Like, truthfully, he don't have nothing going on now. Mm. So, you know... He's in the shadows. Right?

Well, what, though? I mean, I don't see no product or nothing like... He's doing whatever Safari was doing for all those years. Right, right. That's exactly what... Kicking it. Right, but he can't be mad because when he come from, that's like a super come-up. And no, no, he come from a good area.

Right. Because that's a beautiful place he comes from. Even with the, with the, with the, with the, with the ruthlessness there, I come from a crazy place. And even, you know, when he come from, you know, he's like, he's like, he's quiet now. He can be quiet. That's whatever opportunities he got. Huh? He's a rapper.

He raps. I don't think so. What does he do? What is your model? Oh, Safari? Big Zoo? Yeah, what is he? Strike killer, according to the courts.

I don't know what the fuck else he got going on. He can correct you on that now, Adam. Did they say he got a murder, right? Oh, he had an attempted murder. That's what I don't like when they get that confused. I don't think it's attempted rape. No, I think he got convicted of rape and murder or attempted murder. No, it's not murder.

I'm telling you. Really? is attempt. If anything is a temp. Okay. You know? I was like, I said, I kind of like was like, you know, I don't really know the guy, you know,

but I see like I was happy for him. And I don't got to know him to be happy for him. I was happy for him. And I'm going to be honest. I can't lie. I said, you know, he comes from a probably stricken area according to him. And this is good for him. Right.

You know, probably he would never get in no more trouble, you know, because he's with her. He's marrying her. I think she's pregnant by the guy. Allegedly. Allegedly. So I'm like, all right, you know, but I'm happy for the guy. I have nothing to do of what he'd done to whoever.

That's not my business. But I'm happy for him because, you know, he got to come up with a girl. You know, I'm quite sure something is going on with him. Yeah. So. I'm like having a blast. So, you know, but he don't have. And I was, no, I was trying to like fake take up, like not really take up for him.

But I was like, oh, yeah, you know, he gets busy. Mm-hmm. No, he got a tent. You don't respect that? Nah, I don't know. I didn't play a game. He got some other shit, too. I'm like, no, he, he, he, he, he,

so when I've seen that little, that little shit with him in the store and all that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was tight. You hear me? That was a good time. That would have been in BV8 situation with them young boys, hear me?

If one of these guys would have been in that store. Something would have gone down on Rodeo. Hey, yeah. You know what I mean? Beverly Hills murder rate would go up? Look, look, how do they do that in the barclays? I said, I was on Raggers Island. The CEO woke me up.

They came in and woke me up and said, yo, your people. They're the most stupidest. I said, yo, you're waking me up for this? Because I should sleep all the way in the back. Wow. And so the homies, they used to come in these street like, because now they do stupid shit, the COs ask other gang members,

what sense you are? Because they think that you're not accepted in this house. so they'd be like, you, the big homie eat back there. And when I wake up, you know, the homie might be laying next to me. You know what I'm finally? Like, yo, the CO2 me and then.

I'm like, oh, world, I ain't here. They just be fishing. You know what I'm saying? Because we're all in here. You got all the headers in here. It ain't just me. I'm like, I'm wounded. It's because I'm the oldest, doesn't.

I mean, no. You know what I mean? Right. But, yeah, man, like, I can't, I don't know about her, man. But I was happy, phone. But I ain't going to give him no, I'm a caller for what he is, man. You know what I'm saying?

But she, she, she, um, ain't nobody want to though, man, you know? Ain't nobody going to get it though, man. You know? Only a nigger who don't have no ways of making nothing happen. If you ain't got no way of making nothing happen, then right around. Right. Who got it. He wasn't doing nothing before he met him.

So right now he's just happy to be, what we call it, happy to be around. She got enough money that he could be happy to just chill. Right, right. Snow Billy, I'm about to piss my fucking pants. I gotta end this. I got to put two. Hey, much love, bro. Yo, I'm here.

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