No Jumper - Swamp Storiez Exposes his Face for the First Time, Documenting the Streets, Becoming Bored with Rap

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And shout out to all my YouTube addicts out there because I'm bringing you guys some of the most intense lore imaginable. This is the first ever interview with formerly anonymous YouTube icon. Swamp Stories is in the building.

Thank you for having me. How are you feeling, Doug? I'm all right, a little nervous. I could tell a little nervous. I thought you weren't showing up. First interview ever. Yeah. First time face has ever been on the camera, so...

That's not truly, because you did all these YouTube videos. With a mask. None of those had the mask off? Never. Oh, okay. I thought that you did at one point. Okay, all with the mask. Damn.

That's crazy, bro. So for those who don't know, how does it feel like having your identity kind of exposed to the world? We can go back and tell the whole story, but I just want to know how you're feeling in this moment. I never wanted this to happen. Yeah. Not necessarily because of fear. But I just like separating, doing gang documentaries from being a human being. For obvious reasons.

But now it's kind of like intertwined. So there's nothing I can do about it. Might as well come on no jumper. Definitely. It's the year of anonymous content creator is getting exposed because George also knows Grand Chat Wizard. He also got exposed. No, no idea that is.

For real. See, I'm realizing as we sit here that I think you're going to be in on everything that I know about. He's basically like academics is bestie. He runs the academics TV account. and stuff like that, but then Charlemagne or Rock Nation or whatever basically exposed him as being an Australian Asian man. And, you know, they're trying to basically get him out the paint. So somehow they were able to expose them.

But okay, give me the gist of it. You grew up where? San Francisco. Okay. Yeah. And so throughout your high school years and everything, were you super interested in hip hop? Were you really deep into the gang culture then? Or when did this start to creep in?

First, I was just in a basketball. Then I realized I was white. And I was like, it's not happening. Can't jump. Can't move. I feel that. So then, but I was always tapped into, like, what was going on in San Francisco. I never knew, like, the other cities, but, like, San Francisco because, like, I went to school with certain people who had beefs and whatever.

So I was always curious about it. Like, why are they killing each other? Right. And I resent people who hold that sort of thing against me because it's like, you're telling me that there's organization. around the city that I live in and they're killing each other. And I'm not supposed to be interested in this. And you're not supposed to have any interest in it. Right.

Like it's the ultimate, it's the peak of human evil is killing another human. And I'm supposed to just be like, yeah, whatever. You know what I mean? And then it's even worse too because it's like they're creating art in real time about it.

Well, not only creating art, but like posting that they did it after they did it. Right. You know? And somehow not getting caught for it. Yeah. In the Bay Area.

I don't know about LA, but... No, for sure. I mean, like, you can... That's one thing that rap has kind of taught us is you can make a song and basically take credit for killing it somebody and unless there's, like, overwhelming evidence to go along with your admission,

they're not really going to do anything about it. Yeah. I've got that going on right now. I got somebody who's on my ass. Really? Yeah. I made a video. It was like a 12-minute video

about some rapper from Vallejo. And, uh... And I posted the thumbnail, like, before I dropped it. And I never ended up dropping it. it but I posted the thumbnail and the guy was like if you dropped that I'm gonna come put you on a t-shirt and I was like and he mind you he's wanted for like two murders but like I know of like three others that he was that he like he's like a real dude hmm so yeah wow okay we're gonna we'll get to that

table that okay so you're kind of interested in it but obviously you're not trying to be a rapper or anything like no no no no okay how much YouTube were you consuming in high school none okay honestly like I can tell you story how I started story. Sure. At what age? 20. 20. So you're out of high school and college in college, okay. Summertime. My buddy, I went to go stay the summer with my buddy. We got an Airbnb in Atlanta and he was a YouTuber with uh Kisenet, Duke Dennis, Davis, like the AMP group. Okay. So like he, I didn't even know who they were. This is 2021. And so he takes me to the AMP house and like agent had a house and like,

I was like, whoa, these guys are lit, like mansions, supercars, like all the shit. And I was like, I didn't know who they were. And I was like, how did they get all this money? And mind you, like, they had so many girls, like beautiful girls at the house. Wow. And I was like, okay, why am I in college? Like, these fuckers are like, you know? So then my buddy was like, yo, you should start YouTube.

And I was like, well, I don't know what I'm going to do. And he was like, well, what are you interested in? And I was like, gang shit. Yeah. And I was like, fuck it. Start as... So you were interested in the sense that you were like watching YouTube videos about gang shit? No, never.

Okay. Like my first video, which was all wrong, by the way, like the whole premise of the video was incorrect. And what one was that? Yada versus Zaybang beef. Okay. And like basically I got it all wrong, but I deleted it since. But it was just based on with like stories that people had told me from like high school and stuff. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to put this together.

And, uh, you know, like when, when it's just rumors and shit, like shit gets all. Yeah. Mixed up. So it was wrong. But like that feeling that you get when somebody starts telling you some crazy street shit and you're thinking like, I have to try to remember this. But then also like, I can't really make a video using this information because this is just one person's perspective. And realistically, I would need to hear these stories from like multiple different accounts and see like social media. posts or stuff from the music or whatever to sort of like cement it and make you feel like it's real.

I mean at this point I'm just going off articles. Yeah. Because like there's too much liability involved with like saying, well I never I never say anyone did anything. Right. I just say it's rumored that they did it or they said themselves they alluded to the fact that they did it. Right. But I would never say somebody did it but now I'm just like okay I'm just going to go off straight facts, you know, concrete facts that. Yeah.

So okay, your first video, how long did it take you to make? dude I had never used I bought a microphone I didn't know how to edit I just did it myself so it took like two weeks okay it was like right when I was starting my junior year of college so um it took off though yeah like right away 100k views I was like whoa and I probably saw it right when it came out because at that time people forget that the internet in what was it 2020 2021 summer 21 yeah it was still such early days on YouTube whereas like now we're used to it that like if anything really consequential happens beef wise streetwise whatever jakes on it flakos on it trapler-ross on it it's just like it's hard to find stuff that hasn't already been used for content but at that time you could kind of make a video that's like hey the the neighborhood cribs got beef with the hoover's and everybody would watch it just because it wasn't that much stuff like yeah yeah yeah no i remember like so the first one was like s f i think the second one was s f and then the third one

I believe was like SOB versus RBE or something like that and that was like you know that was a big time for really California people say the Bay Area but like the whole West Coast was in love with SOB RBE and they just like fell apart out of nowhere. So when I dropped

that I think that got like a ridiculous amount of views and then I dropped to Sacramento one and that's when I was like okay I'm dropping out of college like there's really five videos in four videos in and you probably I mean if they were averaging like at least a couple hundred thousand views you know you probably just had made like your

first 10 grand i made like 12 grand my first month yeah and so i was like why am i in college yeah you know like the job that i'm working towards is not going to pay me 12 no exactly and there was no like i had no guarantee that this would work but i just saw the vision i was like i'm going to make sure it works you know definitely and so at that point what does your life become because i know like there's a lot of people out there are really successful like trappler ross and flaco that they've got money coming in. They've got fame and clout. But realistically, their lives are kind of dull.

They're like sitting at a desk all day looking up information. So like my college life was insane. I was living in Baton Rouge, which if people out there know, Baton Rouge is insane. Like good and bad. It's an insane place, at least during that time, COVID time. Like parties. It was nuts.

So like my social life was completely full. And I start the YouTube. And as you know, like, you can't be a YouTuber part-time. Like, it consumes your whole, even when you're not working, you're thinking about the next video or what I have to do next. So, like, it destroyed my social life. I will say that. Like, yeah, you just have to put everything else to the side and just go in. Yeah, like, the idea of, like, and that's why, like, I find it so challenging to be, like, a solo YouTuber myself is because it's, like, just the fact that I have, like, an interviewer to per day makes it so difficult.

Like, even though that doesn't sound that bad, like, two interviews, maybe three hours. it's like somehow just having that one thing in the middle of the day just makes it so difficult to do what you have to do in terms of like really getting into the zone and just grinding all day to put the information together yeah so okay how do you sort of expand from out there like how long it it take before you started to set your sights on maybe like bigger stories bigger stories as in regionally yeah because you start to expand until like just sort of overall pop tales at a certain point right yeah like like Like, at first it was just like the California gang beefs, which like I was only really passionate about like the Bay Area ones, to be honest, because like that's where I'm from. Like I always found the LA ones to be a little. Unless it involved like the Mexican gangs where it's like they chop someone's hands off or something. Like most of it is just like, c squabbles, cah and blood squabbles blood. It's like, okay, who cares? Like it's, you know, it's just like the same shit over and over where it's not really like life or death for them.

Right. Whereas like the base stuff was like really like this guy killed my cousin so I'm gonna kill his cousin And it's like the back and forth personal stuff But when I kind of got bored of that I was like yo I kind of want to touch some more Broad topics I just tried it I can't remember the first one I did that was broad I know I did Ditty which was probably my biggest biggest one I just like seven million views That's insane that you had it's crazy I had a guy I had a guy hit me up on

on Instagram and he was like yo like like did he Scott like a crazy pass that nobody knows about and I was like what and this is before it became like a huge news story yeah no this is before he got indicted so that explains this is like 22 or 2023 and the guy's like yo he's like it's gonna sound crazy but I paid him $2,500 and he was like I have an entire 50 page document of to I just built you a story and I was like he was like he was like but I'm not gonna show it to you unless you give me 2,500. So I kind of like took that leap of faith and I just cashed up the guy. Is this guy certified in any way?

No. It's a random account called like Rick S or something like that. I just like I'm kind of a lick. Damn, apparently. So I just like cash up and it worked out and I was like holy shit, this is insane. So like I wrote the whole script, did it, posted it out there. And at first it got like a couple million views. And then like he got indicted maybe six months later.

And then it just exploded. Right. And everyone was like, yo, How did you know about all this shit? I mean, that's the cheat code is to make a video about something that's going to go viral right before it goes viral. Because what's the dirt? And when we're talking about going viral, I'm talking about like 10 million-ish views. You know, that one did seven.

But like the fact that what's the dirt was somehow clairvoyant enough that he made a video about, uh, about, you know, Kendrick and Drake and then Jay Cole and Drake and all this type of stuff. like the fact that he made those videos before the beef started just allowed him to just explode. Yeah. And, uh, okay. So that one like, okay, but just in general, like how did your research process kind of evolve? Like was it, was it like night and day in terms of like, like, what's the most extreme things that you found yourself doing to put together the stories? I wouldn't say the most extreme thing to put together the story, but like I would travel certain places to get footage.

And it was kind of like I could just write it off as a business trip. So I would just like go to a city, get footage of the hood and like walk in certain areas just to like reenact the scene that I'm describing. And I've gotten pressed a few times doing that. Obviously not knowing that your swamp stories just because you're a random guy. Yeah, just because I'm a random guy with a camera on a street. It's happened a few times. And yeah. Okay.

And I mean at a certain point I know it started to be. become a little bit competitive with you and Ross. You guys had a little beef that I don't think the real world out there knows about, but then there's been a couple of times where me and Ross were having some drinks, and he just ended up kind of spilling the details of it. And I'm talking like a couple years ago because I know you guys patched it up. No, we definitely didn't patch it up at all. Oh, well, that's what he said.

But yeah. Okay. What's the origin of that? When did you guys first start conflict? Okay. So I'd say like it was 2023. And I had asked him, because he, I was going to do a video on this Chicago guy named,

some little short dude who was killer. I forget his name. And I hit up Chaplain-L-Ross. I was like, yo, um, have you, like, are you going to do a video on this guy?

I just don't want us to compete and make the same video because it's like mutually beneficial for us to do different shit at this. Like, I don't want to do, turns out he was making a video. It wasn't about that guy specifically, but it was about the gang beef that he was involved in. But long story short,

he got mad at me. He was like, yo, you just asked me because you wanted to steal my content or something. And I was like, dude, we can check. You've taken at least eight of my videos. I've never copied anything you've done at all. Like I've done a honeycomb brazy video. I drop it.

I was the first one to ever cover that. And then three months later, he covers the exact same fucking honeycomb brazy video. And just, like, basically if you watch both of our videos, he just copied my whole video. So I was like, Why would you accuse me of trying to copy your videos when, you know? Okay. And then like he did the EBK video. He did, like he's copied like at least eight of my videos.

Okay. Which is fine. It's YouTube. Do whatever you want. But don't accuse me of trying to steal your videos when I've never done that. I wish I had his statements that he made to me more fresh in my mind because I feel like the gist of it was kind of the opposite of this where he felt like you were copying his videos. I mean, the proof's out there.

You can check dates. I mean, yeah, well, all we have to do is, like, put the video side by side. We'll be able to figure out who's, okay. I'm not mad about it. I just don't like being accused of stealing videos when that's not something I've ever done. Okay. Yeah. And so, like, at a certain point, did you kind of start trolling him by, like, intentionally doing his videos?

No, I've never done his videos. You never done. Name one. I don't know. Yeah. Because I didn't even, like, when he told me about this couple years ago, I didn't even, I hadn't perceived it. of like, oh, that is kind of crazy that they both did videos about this guy, like, around the same time. And like, then when I really started looking at, I'm like, damn, there is like a lot of stuff that you guys were kind of competing on.

Yeah, I mean, we're in the same lane, so there's going to be a natural overlap. But honestly, I don't really care. It is what it is. Especially in this day and age where it's like so few. I feel like we're both. We have different styles. Yeah. Like, if you watch my videos and watch his, his are probably going to be more factual and

detailed. Mine are going to be more speculative and entertaining, I'd say. Yeah, because that's like watching you guys' content side by side over the years. I have kind of realized that because like, you know, it's not like a terribly like hidden secret, but like his main channel with the documentaries for a while, like he couldn't drop anything without doing a million views. And then it kind of started to fall by the wayside after a certain point. And part of it, I think, was like just the fact that he sort of like ran out of topics that were like really viral or you know stories to tell and then past that I feel like at a certain point he just kind of started like putting out videos that in some cases like the young boy one or the thug one it's kind of like why does this

video need to be six hours of like insane in-depth information whereas like when I watch your stuff you're messing around a little bit and you're you're kind of trying to make it funny and I feel like that is why your channel is able to hit a million maybe a little bit easier than his main channel. No, I give him credit for, like, his research is insane. I know he has a team. I do all my shit solo. Oh, really? So, like, that's why it takes me forever to drop these days.

Also, I'm just lazy. But it's like, I give him his credit. Like, he nails a lot of stuff. Right. But mine, I don't really, because I don't believe that the viewer cares that much about the facts. Like, they don't care about the details of, like, oh, this. guy, you know, they don't care about the little minute stuff. Right.

They care about the general theme. Yeah. And making it entertaining. You know, so that's kind of like the angle I tried to take on it. Yeah. And I think he gets that about some of his videos. Like the thug one in particular, I remember telling him like, this is just too long. Like, I don't need an hour and a half of you, like, breaking down all his albums and

telling me about what songs were popular off each album. And I think he got that and made stuff a little more concise now. I mean, there was a time. where there was a lot of interest in the hip-hop scene. Yeah, which is- It's kind of dead now. By the way, so,

yeah. It's kind of a larger thing about, I don't want to get into all that. No, the streets are no longer as intriguing to people as they were. Yeah. People don't believe the myth of the idea that all these guys are just like. They all go broke.

They all go to prison or they all die. Yeah. So it's like you're living, your entire lifespan is like of adults. It's like 18 to 25 if you're lucky. Right. And then it's just, you're done after that. So like the general fan is like, there used to be this allure of like, oh, this guy's so

fucking cool. Like little Dirk walking in the interview with $10 million cash or whatever it was. And now it's like he has no future. Like it's over. Yeah. And like, you know? Yeah. I mean, even if you were to just isolate it to Chicago, it's like you've got all these dudes who

build names for themselves in like 2011 or whatever and like almost all the, you know, almost all of them are dead in prison or they're like a chief keef who's basically, you know, open the clouds. Like, it's not really, he's not supplying content for a channel like yours anymore at this point. And then you expand that out to all the other cities. And like there was this like sort of renaissance and YouTube content where I always go back to that video that trapgeek did about Max O'Cream's Hoover video, the music video that took down a neighborhood.

And it was like really when I watched it back recently, it's like, oh, this is most just a good YouTube title because the video didn't really have like that much information about the music video shoot that kind of got like a whole neighborhood indicted and shit but like he was able to make that video about a video that had came out like four years before that and that is so impossible but there was like a gold rush at that time where people like you and Ross telling all of these great street stories yeah I think I got in at an amazing time 2021 yeah right after COVID like young boy was the biggest thing in the world Dirk ESTG Like every region Had popping rappers And it had like Like now hip hop is really just

A black audience To be honest with you A black and Hispanic A little bit audience The casual white audience That used to like Listen to push icedy Or like young boy or dirt

Is like listening to Riley Green And Morgan Wallin now Like that's done Yeah So like I've noticed That's reflected in my views a little bit Like my California videos still do the same views But like when I cover like a push ice-de or something like that in

2023 or 2021 would have gotten a million two million views now it's getting 500,000 Just because like the general populace of the average American YouTuber does not care at all Yeah Yeah The interesting thing to me about that is that I feel like young people determine what's hot in the culture and black people in what's cool in the culture. So it feels like we're at this time period in which the general public is not terribly interested in hip hop.

But I don't really think that those two sort of like immortal laws that I just said there, which is that young people and black people influence the culture. I don't think those things go away. I think that even though we might be in a moment right now where hip hop is not really intriguing to the masses, that it has to come back at a certain point. But what I think might be done is,

the streets having such a tight grip over the hip hop audience. Yeah, for sure. But I also think like, I mean, we're cultural vultures. We're culture vultures. So maybe we can't talk about this. But that's kind of part of why it has fallen off.

I believe so. Because when you push people away, like, oh, you can't talk about this, you're white. Or you can't talk about this. You're Asian or whatever. Like, people go, okay, you know what? I'm just going to not care anymore.

Right. And I think that's like hip hop is going through that right. I mean, if you look at the streams, no one's listening to rap. It's over. Yeah. Like, there hasn't been any rap in the top billboards in years. Does that count? Yeah, but I mean, that's the closest we got, you know.

I mean, you know, but there's no, like, little dirks. There's no, like, even young boy, young boy can't sell anymore. And he's got, like, a real fan base, like a cult fan base, and he still can't sell. His numbers aren't that great when he drops a project these days, really? I mean, his concert, I went to one of his country. concerts, it was insane. Oh yeah, the concerts are insane. But like new music, it's also not good music. And that's a problem with hip-hop too is it's gotten repetitive because like there's street hip-hop. Yeah. Because how many people can you kill? Yeah. You know, at this point it's like they're

just saying the same stuff over and over like yeah. I think they have to make being cool, cool again. Like being having money, having girls, having a dope lifestyle. That has to be the the center of the stardom not like oh did does he have a body you know yeah i mean young boy is probably like the number one culprit when it comes to being a dude who found a style of music that he likes making and then just keeps doing it over and over and over with seemingly like no regard for keeping it interesting because he just doesn't really have to make a hit but like the best thing that he could do for his career and really for rap in general would be just to make a hit like make make songs that are able to travel beyond your audience.

And he just doesn't care, doesn't want to. It's been so few times that he's even done that at all throughout his career. I think the drugs have something to do with it. And you know this from the Kai Benji interview. Being on a gazillion drugs, it's not sustainable. Like you can be like young boy when you, like, I don't know. I don't know what he's on. But like you can see a mental decline in a lot of these guys.

through their art. Because like if you look at young boy, 2016 to 2020, it was art. There is a young, he was an actual young boy. Like he was unbelievably all the melodies, the way he was put,

like his voice was a melody. If you put him on any beat, it was going to be a banger just because he was just so talented. And now it's like, it's garbage. And I feel like, I feel like that's reflective

in a lot of new rap too. A lot of these guys have a lot of trauma from their childhood. Yeah. And so they're just numbing it with perks and whatever, and it's just frying their brains. Yeah, I mean, to be honest, people don't like to talk about that. But I've seen levels of drug abuse during my time in hip hop that I never knew about before that. Like, I've seen dudes who, you know, we're doing an interview and then they're like, you know, literally taking like a handful of perks before they do it.

And like just thinking that this is normal. Like that is a huge problem that doesn't really get disgust enough in rap is that dudes are frying their fucking brains for sure. Especially once you start getting money, it's so normal to become a lean addict or a perkhead or whatever. Dude, I know some local Bay Area rappers that you probably wouldn't know who they are. But they make like a good like, well, street money and rap money. They're making like at least $25,000 a month. But they're blowing 75% of it on drugs. Yeah.

Easily. And like for them and their homies. The lien, the perks, the everything. I mean, look at somebody like, oh, okay, rewind the clock to 2016 and everybody thought it was. the coolest fucking thing in the world to see Lil Pump drinking lean and taking Zanz and stuff. And then you fast forward to 2026. And the viral lean or Zan thing is Rio the young OG slumped over passing out in a meet and greet or on stage. So like even that, like that's another thing that has been like basically brought to the forefront,

exposed for what it is. It might have seemed cool in 2016. I realize the irony of me wearing the shirt right now. But like then you fast forward to 2026 and like the people have just kind of. figured out. I never understood why it was cool. Like, I understood why, like,

the violence aspect of rap culture was cool. Violence is always going to be interesting to the people. It's just human nature. But, like, I'm a drug addict. Like, why was that? I never understood that. When guys were, like, flex,

like, I got lean in my cup. Like, why is that a flex? I guess you can't get through the day sober. Oh, you're cool. I mean, lean is a status symbol because it's insanely expensive. It looks cool. There's, like, a cool ritual around it in much of the same.

way where like, you know, hitting the bong is lame, but rolling a blunt this big is cool. You know, that's like literally you. Adam, like being this big millionaire on camera smoking this huge blunt. Adam, we're white, but we're white boys, bro. Hitting the bong is cool, Adam. You're white, not me. But what are you?

I'm disambiguous. I know what he is. No, no, but I, uh, he's not going to tell you that, though. Yo, I got a yarmica right in my fucking room. Every day I think about putting it on. But anyway You know, with lean There's like a cool process that you're doing

You know, it's sweet It actually tastes good You're taking this plain soda You're turning it purple You've got Easter pink in your cup You know, it's like There's all these little rituals around it You get obese and you can't function

By all means But I'm just saying that like You know people don't really have The same feeling about heroin We've never seen a rapper who was And again By the way, Lean is heroin Right, but there's a process with heroin too

You gotta heat up the spoon You got to tie your arms You got a problem. Yeah, but that's, that's like... You know, that's not cool, but like somehow turning the soda pink is cool. Yeah. But if you actually talk to like real deal opiate addicts, they laugh at lean. Lean to them is a joke.

Like, that's like the most inefficient, expensive possible way to get loaded. Dude, I don't even want, like, I've been around these rappers now. Like, the amount of money they spend on lien is... That's our edges. It's house payments, more. It's like you could buy properties with the lien that you're... And there's a mentality around Lean that is that like, there was a Seychese sauce Walker interview recently

where Saus Walker said that Lean is a league of gentlemen who drink lean. This is like the most bizarre retarded sentiment possible, but like dudes delude themselves into believing that this is like this elite club that nobody else can get into. But because we have so much money and we have such high tolerance for this drug,

we could do it. Then meanwhile, Soswalkers baby mama post a video with him like he's like dying off lean you know anything you do anything you do is going to have a come down so it's like yeah whatever the high is the low is going to be equally as low yeah so it's not a benefit in any no drug really is any is a benefit i mean you can make the argument like i like weed no but that's it because i feel like there's no real come down if you sleep and you wake up the next day you're fine yeah weed is like the one thing that could affect you in a pretty strong way you know like the average person

if you sit there and face a blunt or whatever, never mind you eat an edible, you're gonna be pretty fucked up for like a couple hours, but you can really control how fucked up you get by not doing so much of it. And then realistically, if you were to, you know, sleep it off, you're just like totally fine. The next day, you know,

you might feel a little bit groggy, but not really. Like, we, it's kind of a miracle drug in that sense where I was like, you know, taking a perk does feel good, but then there's this period right afterwards where you just kind of feel like shit. Like last night, it took like a three mile walk around Glendale smoking,

A whole pack of blunts. Nice. Glendale is awesome, by the way. Shut up. I love Armenian women. Like, there's... Thank you. Yeah, they're great.

Glendale High, where Lando the Plug attended. Used to ride bikes there a little bit. Solid school. Solid campus. Go hit the Starbucks down the street. Hell yeah. It's a good spot. Okay, wait.

When did you feel like you started to get disillusioned with grinding this content out. Were you just like overworking yourself at a certain point? 2024? Uh, yeah, 2024. I just got bored of the content. So I started doing different stuff, different content, or at least trying it. But now I, now I really want to pivot. I want to pivot out of the hip hop space and I want to go into like more political stuff because that's what I'm interested in anyways. Like my interest has shifted from like hip hop street stuff to like geopolitic stuff. It's going to be a hard transition because my fan base. They want one thing. I don't know if they have the same problem.

Yeah, like, I don't know if they're going to like want to hear about like Turkey's next move. Yeah. That's a very tough. Fascinating and it actually matters on a global scale way more than the Hoover's beefing with the Crips. Yeah. Once you get older and you start playing attention to politics, it does make the whole music thing, never mind the gang thing can seem kind of small. in comparison, but would you do that on a new channel entirely? I'm not restarting, dude. Really? I think what I'm going to do, because I got Swamp Stories too, go subscribe.

I'm just going to put like the hip-hop ones on there or like the street ones on there. Because now on YouTube, subscribers don't matter. Yeah. It's not like the old days where, you know. I tell people that all the time. You can, by the way, people out there, you can start a YouTube channel right now with no subscribers

and your first video can get a million views easy. Right. Like the algorithm has no benefit of having a bunch of subscribers anymore. Yeah. And that's why it's kind of infuriating that people are always commenting being like, like, like, because I'll compare my channel to some people that I don't get along with channel. Like, oh, we did 100,000 views and you did 10,000 views. And they'll be like, well, you have 30 times as many subscribers as that. Doesn't matter. And I'm like, the subscriber count, like, okay, number one, how many of those subscribers on No Jumper are actual active subscribers? I would say less than a million, you know? Like, Our clip's channel is newer and it has less than a million.

You know, it's like the idea that these are all active, relevant subscribers. And then also even on top of that, when you look at what percentage of your viewers are subscribed, it's not terribly high. It's not high. People don't look through their subscription tab. Yes, it's a very good way for you to show the algorithm like, hey, I really like this channel by subscribing. But by no means, is it a guarantee?

Like, YouTube recommends me Tommy G videos every single day. And I realize the other day, I am not subscribed to Tommy G. Yeah, no. But they know that it's soft. It's in the category of things I like. I've watched a bunch of his videos in the past. They know that if they recommend it 10 times that by the 10th time, I'm probably going to click it.

You know, it's just like the subscriber thing is just super overrated. Like I just started like my, I restarted my solo channel and I'm doing it on my original Adam 22 channel, but it does feel like a tough decision is like, should I be doing this on this channel that has a million subscribers, even though a huge percentage of those subscribers are dead or should I just start over a fresh channel? Usually starting a new channel is better.

Yeah, I almost did that, but then I just went back to the original. Yeah, I mean, it's a hard risk because the biggest fear of a YouTuber is dropping shit that flops. Yeah. Like for us, that's like nightmares. And do you feel like if you drop like a, you know, Netanyahu does a drive-by on his ops? Don't talk about your cousin like that, man. Hey, man. It's a good guy as far as I'm.

No, honestly, we'll see. I have no idea how it'll do. Because like, I don't know how to gauge what my audience is. because I get people asking to make a video like that. Yeah. I mean, that right there is the ultimate topic, because if you start going into niche, weird little things, then, like, you know, that's going to be hard for you to make the transition.

But if you make a video that's just like, yo, what's happening in Gaza is fucked? And then you talk about that for an hour. I feel like that that's such a mainstream topic that I feel like you can hit it pretty good. It's getting played out, though. Yeah, yeah. Because now you're just getting, everything is conspiracy now. Yeah. Like,

I believe some of them. But now, like, even like a guy like Nick Fentz is like calling out people like, yo, like Candace Owens is ridiculous. Yeah. She's like, the Jews are behind, they were behind slavery. It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah. African Americans have English last names.

Johnson, Smith, Williams. You don't find black people named. Right. Epstein. Yeah. Berg, wits. Like that's not a thing. It's so easily disproven that Jews were slave owners. Right.

That it's like ridiculous. So like I say that to say that like that topic you're like specifically is kind of played out to where like there's no new thing you can say that I'll get people to be like, oh my God, whoa. Yeah. Because it's like everything, all these ridiculous assertions have been made. And it's like Israel dropped like their 8,000th bomb of the month. Like that's how was that a video? Yeah. It's just like it would have to be you have to have like an end but also this idea that like American the American Jewry is like They're trying to they tried to destroy

American culture by pushing what do they say? Pushing What's the word? Degeneracy on the mayor. Oh yeah always with that's like bro porn hub is owned by Jews. They always love to say that Bro God forbid they're good at stuff God forbid they're good at making companies and creating things like they're good at they're good at they're good at they're good at they're created Facebook. Right. Like, dude. I mean, but Facebook was created by a lone Jew, right? Zuck?

Yeah, I mean, I was saying, it's not like the Jews did it. It's just like some random Jews. But there's a bunch of characteristics of Jewish culture that you can see why they are useful when it comes to running businesses, i.e. the fact that they take the business seriously and they don't waste their money on a bunch of stupid shit. But not only that, Jews are audacious. Yeah. Like a lot of like being, like, I'm a goy.

Like I'm a goy white like you are. Right? It's good. Are you a goy? I am. Like, there's this culture among us that's like, just be, go with the flow, don't cause trouble, just get your degree.

It's like, there's like, Jews have this way about them that's like, no, I want to fucking win because like everything they do is my life depends on it. My sixth, like, you know what I mean? They just go. And we're just kind of like, oh, you know, we'll just play the safe. route. You know what I mean? I mean, like living in Brooklyn back in the day and having like Jewish landlords and shit and you just start to realize like, oh, these guys are richest. They control all of these neighborhoods. They own all the apartments. And then meanwhile, they don't want any attention from it.

They are, you know, they're not like showboating with their wealth in any way. Not at all. They're just grinding it out, basically doing whatever they can to make as much money as possible, but then not spending it in any way. And it's like that's obviously just a huge key code. And a lot of now, like the criticism of Jews is just compliments. Yeah. Like you guys have, I don't know, 40% of American billionaires are Jews. Right. That's a dis. They've created the biggest companies in America, which if you understand economics, you understand that a big company gets there by providing good services and benefiting the public. Right. You know what I mean? That's just how economics works macroeconomics because if any other race or ethnic group was able to establish

dominance over society and culture in the way that the Jews were or have they would want to be applauded for it you know like the black community clearly wants billionaires they celebrate the fuck out of the billionaires that they got i don't want to use black people as the example but just in general human beings a lot of this shit is cope everyone to be rich everyone's to have the most girls. Everyone wants to be powerful. It's just in human nature. And for people who like, it's easy to go, oh, the Jews only got there because of nepotism. It's like, well, somebody had to do it first. Their grandfather, you have to create something in order to pass that. And it's like, then you have to realize everything was taken from them a hundred years ago, less than a hundred

years ago. And they started at ground one and took it off. So like, I hate Israel with a passion. I hate what they do to their neighbors. I don't even hate the country as itself. I think it gets misrepresented in a lot of ways. But what it does to Gaza, what it does to Lebanon, Syria, things like that, I hate that. But like the confusion of Jews versus Israel is ridiculous. And it's like, it's a slope that is like society's going down where it's just like the Jews. But it's so incorrect, in my opinion. I mean, what is crazy though is that you've seen things in the last couple months that you never would have been able to imagine.

before like Donald Trump this was even like the last week getting up on stage or jd vans saying similar things of like yo israel everybody hates you your public image is in the dirt we are the only country of significance who has your back and yet you guys still refuse to display any kind of good behavior i have family that lived in israel for like 10 15 years oh i just gave something no but and they hate what's going on a lot of people hate what's going on now because it's like this this is now everyone's perception of an entire race of people based off what a country is doing right and it's just and my thing about it though is that I think that to the average person it's pretty much impossible for them to comprehend

the extent to the the level of danger that Israel is in at any given time and october 7th obviously was a huge reminder of that but ultimately it's like They are, they're all, we're all forced to play the PR game. We're all forced to be able to basically play the game of who's the most popular. And Israel should be able to effectively play the victim when they're the ones being attacked by these countries and shit like that. But then meanwhile, like, they just overdo it in their response to such an extreme extent. But they, I think they are right that they need to basically destroy their enemies in order to be safe. I disagree.

Because I just think that the threat is so. gigantic that people can't even comprehend it. With great power comes great responsibility. Israel is so much more powerful, even just by proxy of having America in other European countries that'll do anything it's said. But without us, Israel's not that powerful compared to Iran and this whole. Okay. If you were to say that, but with great power comes great responsibility.

You can't over-assert. Like there's a, okay, defending yourself is one thing, but over-asserting dominance. there's a reason the whole world is pissed. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, okay, like, if somebody breaks into my house and I, you know. If somebody breaks in your house and you bomb their mom's house.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not self-defense. But I think Israel at some point figured out along the way that if we just like get bombed and then we bomb them back and maybe we do it like three or four times as much as they did, they're still just going to keep coming back over and over and over and over. and so really what we have to do is we have to fuck them up and destroy them so much that they can't come back

but that is so not palatable to the outside world I believe in diplomacy because your assumption is that these countries around them are just erratic and evil which I don't buy I don't buy that I don't buy that Lebanon's an evil country okay but if you look at like the polling

of Palestinians and what they think about Israel you're incapable of escaping the fact that Israel has an existential threat right there. These people want them dead. They are indoctrinated into the idea that Israel must be destroyed. But if you want me dead and I have a bulletproof vest in an AR-15 and you're naked. Yeah. Are you really a threat?

But they do maintain being a threat. You know, they look at October 7th, which again, it's like, what was it, a thousand people got killed? Really not that bad. 1,300? You know, it's scariest. but really like not that bad in comparison to what they did. That would be like if 50,000 Americans died. Yeah.

So it's a big, it was a big attack, but I don't want to get too off topic of the interview, but yeah. No, I mean like I'm someone who has always been pretty sympathetic to Israel, but I can't deny that as far as the PR game goes, they're massively losing.

I don't have an angle to this. I'm just trying to be objective, which I believe you are too, which is rare these days because everyone like, even Tucker Carlson, like, he's put himself in this. corner where everything is a conspiracy.

Right. And it's like, and he's so anti this where he can't even be objective or Candace Owens. And even on the, well, the left is all ridiculous now. The left has no more, like not want to say more, it has no boundaries of anything. There's no mission. There's no point. They'll say something like healthcare, but democratic politicians will never, ever, ever pass health care for all because they're getting paid by the farm.

pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies, stuff like that. That's a bigger problem with our society is like just corruption. Yeah. In our government. Just to get back to the YouTube thing a little bit, I wanted to say, though, like, did you notice this big change in yourself where in 2021 when you're making YouTube videos, the idea of being able to make a significant amount of money is like endlessly intriguing to you and you're so excited that you're working around the clock.

And now you just seem like you're in a different place where not only is the content kind of stale and boring and it's not doing as many views. But also you seem like you're probably pretty comfortable financially to the point where you just don't really have that same drive to just grind. Yeah, you nailed it. Yeah. Like honestly, I think the reason that you still have the drive is because you have a physical place of being and you have people that depend on you, like employees, where it's like you have to keep this shit going and make it happen. To me, it's like, this is a solo journey. So like, it's hard for me to like make a video that I don't really care about.

Yeah. Like when there's other things that I read, I read a lot. So like when I'm reading, it's not about this stuff anymore. It used to be though. Like I used to be so into the topics that we discuss. Right. Like gangs and rappers and stuff, the culture. But I think over time it's just faded as I've matured and gotten older to where like I'm interested in other stuff.

And it's hard to fake it. Yeah. And that's what happens to most people when it comes to hip hop or whatever. youth cultures that they're super, super into when they're young and as they get older, it becomes less intriguing to them. But that's one thing about myself that I kind of resent is that in my free time, a lot of times, if I have a free hour, I might watch like a poker video that's an hour long. I might watch or listen to a New York Times podcast. It's an hour long that's mostly about politics or whatever. I'm interested in other things. But when I look at who's really

winning in the content space hip hop wise, I find, like, I don't think academics is wasting too much time watching political shit. I think he dips his toes into it. I think he primarily is consuming content that directly relates to what he's going to be talking about on camera. Academics is a very smart dude. Like it's very obvious when you listen to him talk. And he's able to compartmentalize like work from outside.

Like he is so in, he goes off on little baby like as if little baby is Netting Yahoo. Yeah. Like the way he's able to like prioritize that for whatever an hour or two hours. and make this the center of his universe, the little baby, little baby, it's like something that I can't get myself to really do. Yeah,

same, because I just don't really care that much about what little baby has going on. If you were to ask me, like, about little baby's career, I'm going to give you, like,

the sixth grader version of it, and academics has like a PhD in little baby being a hoe. You know, like he's just like, it's so a part of his being to spend time studying this kind of shit. And I realized,

too, He'll hit me on a Sunday as the Adam and Wack podcast is premiering and he'll just have some like deep Thought about it and I'll be like that's what he's doing in the middle of his day on a Sunday I would never be sitting around in the middle of the day on a Sunday watching hip hop content You know but it's like that really is what kind of makes him I know I had people like when I got exposed which I do want to get into that Yeah, we got that but when I got exposed a lot of people were like yo you should start doing like hip hop interviews and just like stream about hip hop and stuff and like the street stuff I was like, man, like four years ago, I would, two, three, four years ago, I would have loved to.

But now it's like, I don't even know what's going on. Like I really, and I would love to because I get paid, you know, it's like, I would be making a lot more money if I did care. But it's just hard for me to force myself to be like, like, I'll watch a no jumper interview when it's something insane. Like the four extra interview recently. Even the bald guy, what's his name? The little gremlin dude. Oh, trooper. Like I'll watch ridiculous stuff like that, but I'm but I don't care that you know

Yeah a Florentia 13 member came on no jumper like I it's just you know Because I've just seen it over and over and over it's like dude's like Yeah bro. But you know okay what's weird about it is like okay my wife has recently become like way more of a bookworm She's reading all these books that I just can't really bring myself to like Waste like 15 hours of my life reading just so that I could talk to her about some book that she read when it's like to me that 15 hours is so useful as like I want to learn about things that are actually going to impact what I podcast

about. Yeah. You know, it's like I only got so much time. The time that I have, I kind of want to focus it on things that are going to augment my career. But then like, you know, at one point I was like, you know what? I'm going to start making videos about all the rapper podcasts. Like I'm going to make videos about Tony Yeo's podcast. I'm going to watch every episode. I'm going to start like really. putting the narratives together talking about Tony Yale's podcast. I'm going to watch that Jim Jones podcast with Dave East and Fabulous and everything like that. And I start watching them. And I'm just so shout out to Yale.

I'm so bored. Like I just like it's just not it doesn't elevate my mind anyway. It's the same conversations that were happening three, four years ago. And it's people who are doing podcasts because they kind of feel like they have to do podcasts. Like this is the logical thing for them to do. And it's not people making content because they're so passionate about this. topic that they just have to speak on it. Yeah.

People look at podcasts as a good business to be in. That's the one thing you can say about act. Whenever you watch act, it doesn't feel like he's just phoning it. No, it feels like he's got a lot to say about this shit. No, and I think act,

like he has a chip on his shoulder because hip hop looked at him like a nerd and they wrote him off. Yeah. Because like I feel like in black culture, there's like a hierarchy of that's different than ours. Mm-hmm. Where it's kind of flipped in a way where like act, him being kind of a nerd and not that cool

kind of like throws him at the bottom of the totem pole despite him making more money than any of these rappers. And there's so many people that are grandfathered into hating academics because early on they were just like nerd, he's a nerd, I hate nerds, boom, use a nerd, fuck you. Exactly. And they have to still keep that up all these years later. But realistically, like he's a, he's a killer.

Like he's, you know what I mean? Like people who aren't really in the space don't really. realize how hard he goes and how good he is. Yeah. Yeah. Like somebody was like, oh, you can just be like academics.

I'm like, no, I can't. Academics is like, that's like, I can't make Swamp Stories videos that take me forever to make because I research,

write, record, edit them myself. And then also be thinking about little baby. I can't, like I can't do. I wish I could. Yeah.

I'd be bawling. Yeah. But, yeah. But, uh, okay, so you've grown a little bit tired of it.

But do you think that there will ever be like a Swamp Stories like documentary again that really like rises to the occasion? Because, you know, somebody like Ross, you got to give it to him that when the bloodhound little Jeff thing pops off, boom, he got the video ready on like a week. You know, because he has a team around him that's able to like expedite the process. You know, four extra blows his hand off within a week or two. He's got a video about him that like, you know, realistically he had no idea he was going to make that video until that thing happened. I don't know if I'd call that like sensational. but like I don't that's a stressful way of being yeah like something happens oh I got to make the video and I've never wanted to do that because I feel like it downgrades the content the quality

of content like if you watch my videos there's a certain level of like attention to detail I put into it where if I were to make it in a week it would just be kind of bland because I always go I make like three edits where I like go back and I'm like okay I got to make this part more entertaining I got to make this more dramatic I got to describe this better so it really takes me a while to put this shit together whereas if I were to like for example like tomorrow God forbid young boy gets shot I'm not gonna be like okay I gotta get on the computer and do it because Travelor Ross is gonna beat me nine times at a 10 to the punch and not to mention that dudes like flaco and Jake

are gonna be and Ross too are gonna be like doing up to the minute updates about every tiny little thing that we are learning about him getting shot. You know, like one guy gets arrested. Boom. That is multiple videos worth of content diving into who this guy is.

What gang is he from? Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what rappers he's affiliated with. Let's go through those rappers songs. Let's find this bar that seems like it was kind of aimed at young boy, blah, blah. You know, all that shit is just such an intense job. And there are so many people.

like shout out to Setti Nash. He's a good example of somebody who's just like nipping at those dudes heels too. Like, you know, he wants to be in that exact same category. What I found out recently is Flacco makes so much money. Yeah. I don't even want to say he showed me. He showed me like 120K in a month. Off one channel.

Yeah. Not including Snapchat, not including his other ventures. And he has no expenses. That's the most important part. And like, I'm so jealous. I could show you. He's so good at it. Yeah, like I could show you how much I've made from YouTube.

certain months that would be really impressive but then like but the cause thing a lot of like you know my best months I can't look at the dollar amount without also thinking like yeah but I pit this guy this much and I bit this guy this much and it's like all of a sudden in my head that number gets whittled down a lot yeah no flaco setting up a camera in a hotel room he's like you know he's just going he's just doing his whole like you know what it was this is the end yeah of America yeah and you're just like oh we're like like the smallest topic. He's just exaggerating everything. But he honestly, when he first started,

I was like, oh, this is not going to work. So it's like everything's an exaggeration. Yeah. But the way he's maintained a fan base, like I'm impressed. And I would be less impressed if every video was about like no jumper drama or whatever. But the fact that he became, at least from my perspective, kind of like the main dude keeping people updated on somebody like chud. That to me is super impressive. His range is so broad now. You can talk about anything. Yeah. But you had a guy from who would make videos about you every week. I can't think of his name.

He used to react to you and he'd be like, Adam from Nashua. What's that guy's name? I forget it. Oh, okay. And he was like on your ass and his entire channel was just about you. Yeah. Anything you'd say was like a problematic. But that's like a new sphere on YouTube too where like they go after Joe Rogan.

They go after. Yeah. That's the number one way to build up. and identity is to be like the anti guy for a thing that is popular. Yeah. And really it's hard to think of popular content creators that you don't have it. Yeah. But they get so many views.

They act like Andrew Schultz, a podcast is so problematic. Like it's just world ending. And people will like be in the comments like, yeah, Andrew Schultz, blah, blah. It's like, what did he do? Yeah. Well, they're able to like pick apart things that they don't like about them. That's enough.

If they'd be like, Joe Rogan works for Poundeer. you're like based on what because he had Peter Thiel on the podcast yeah Peter teal's been on a thousand podcasts but but you see like okay like I think Brendan Schab kind of like cracked open that meta to a certain extent with a lot of those podcast reactors because they basically they liked him a lot and then they started to see him doing things that they thought were indicative of him being a shitty person and that was enough for them to to feel like wronged by realizing like what he was actually like and then that basically created so many reaction videos

and then they take that same energy and they'll bring it to somebody like Andrew Schultz who I mean I just seen Andrew Schultz at like the Hollywood Bowl with like you know 30,000 people in the audience you know clearly he's extremely popular still but they'll like try to craft that same narrative about him where he's falling off

he's done etc it's always that that's the title but Flacco does that too so like Brendan Schaub might really be done and I f***ennyrd Scha is the UFC fighter guy used to be Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, his channel, like, views-wise has really falling off the cliff. Andrew Schultz, I'm not sure if flagrant really fell off a cliff. Andrew Schultz is so loaded.

He's huge, yeah. I mean, it doesn't even matter. It's been paid, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars for a comedy show. What are we talking about? Yeah. I mean, but they try to take that same thing and apply it to somebody like him, because if that seemed like it was true, or I'm sure there's plenty of people that buy into it. But, like, you'll talk to people about, you know, like different comedians and they'll be like, oh, yeah, that guy's done, right? And I'll be like, what?

He's like performing to, you know, many thousands of people every single night. No, YouTube can definitely set narratives that... Yeah. Like, I felt guilty of it sometimes. I just dropped a video where I was like exposing... Little Dame? Yeah, exposed... Did you interview him?

I did it? I tried to set that up with you. No, at one point he was supposed to do an interview, and then I think he did like an interview with Trevor from the BBC instead. Oh. I tried to set that up with you guys, but basically like... Basically, a guy he's related to is the guy who's trying to kill me. And so I didn't drop that video

So I was like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do something that Basically the opposite where I'm saying this guy's never done anything That he claims he's done No I mean that video was pretty harsh Just because you painted the picture of him Basically like false claim and bodies off of Situations it had nothing to do with

Because one of the families of the victims Like was the one well no the first person who brought that to my attention was his big homie In prison who's doing life For two of those murders and I didn't know who he was and he was like he broke it down to me he was like yo this this young dude from my hood like he's like pretending like he did what I did it's really weird and it was like it's bothering me because like I'm doing life for this shit and he's pretending like he did it and he's pretending like he's king Vaughn and he's never done anything well that is

very damning right there and so I was like okay but this was like two years ago okay so like I never did I never it's when he first came out rapping so I never like did anything because I don't have any intentions of like honestly like I told Jaybo who Lil Dame was Like I have to text receipts where I was like Sending Jibo

But like rappers and shit to work with And he ended up working with all them Like Kai Lil Dame Dream Life Rizzy Shit like that Where I was like Yo these dudes are coming out of the bay

They're fucking hard I want to see the Bay win I always wanted to see the Bay win People think like I have this thing Where I like Like I hate the Bay or something like that It's actually the opposite I just hate the cap

I don't when people pretend like it's dangerous and stuff. It just really bothers me. As a person from there, it's like it's not dangerous at all. Right. And like, that's the part that bothers me. And like the rapper is pretending like, like in this situation, it's just disrespectful. Right. Somebody, somebody died for no reason. And you're in your rap saying, fuck them. We, we, I did this or that. And it's like, yo, there's a family grieving. Right. That you had, you had nothing to do with it. Yeah. And I mean, I feel for a little dame because I, I see why someone like, him wants to kill you because he's a rapper that i have a little dame song on my 2026 playlist i watch

hard i watch that video and it's kind of like unless he refutes this and speaks out against what you said and is able to sort of rewrite the narrative yeah that your youtube video like took my understanding of what he was doing lyrically when he's dissed and stuff but he really put it in the fucking toilet because the the allegation that you're saying is gnarly of of like, oh, you're false claiming in your music, a body of an innocent person that not only did you have nothing to do with, but that person died for no reason. It wasn't an ob.

That's crazy. Yeah, so like the family, one of the guys who died was like, yo, he keeps dissing in every song, our son. And our son was not even from the same city. Our son was just walking his fucking dog or was just hanging out there or whatever, whatever. And it's like, and this guy's fucking dissing 10 years later? Yeah.

Like, what the fuck is? this about? Why do we have to relive this trauma of like dissing and who the fuck is this kid? It would be like if Josh got into a drunk driving accident and killed some dude and then like I just wrapped about killing him. Yeah. But by the way, I'm not saying that Lil Dame isn't like that. Right. He is like that. Like he's fully in a beef. Okay. Multiple beefs. It's just the fact that your entire rap career is based off things that you had nothing. Like let's say he raps about eight murders. Right. Seven out of the eight, somebody's doing life in prison for them.

Right. And like they happened when he was like 12. Yeah. So it's just odd. And I don't deny that he could be a gangster and shit like that. But I feel like you were putting him in a position where he has to speak and explain that shit. Because otherwise someone like me, my opinion of him is just damn. Okay.

I'm taking what you said. It's fact. Well, honestly, I blame Chicago for this in general. Because Chicago set the standard amongst like drill rap where you have to be a. serial killer. Like it set the threshold really fucking high for what a gangster rapper. Back in the day, 50 cent could just be like

yeah, I carry a gun and that was like, oh yeah, you're fucking cool. Or I got shot. Or I got shot. Now you don't say that. Nobody can brag about that. No, you can't brag on. Oh, you're a victim. Like, it's not cool anymore. Now you have to be like a serial killer. So I understand why somebody like that, like, Dame would come up

and be like, yo, I'm just going to flood my lyrics with this guy, this guy. I stood over this guy, I killed this guy. shot this guy because you almost have to. You almost have to unless you're so talented to where you can talk about anything. If you're not Kanye West. Like if you're Larry June, you can talk about anything

because you have your own lane. But if you want to be like gangster rap, you have to be a serious, especially in the Bay Area. Like, LA is a little different because LA doesn't value murders as much as it does squabbles and like general theme of like, I'm from this gang and that's what gives me,

I got put on. Right. Or I went to jail and caught a fade. That's what makes. me this but LA just hasn't had a rapper who was really like listenable who also had the reputation for killing a shitload of people like I can think of a bunch of LA rappers who it's rumored have killed a bunch of people but none of them are like dope enough rap wise to really get attention also the LA guys don't say the names of the people they beef with

because it's just like a lot of times they don't know the guys they're beefing with it's just a guy who got put on over there and I got put on over here so we're supposed to hate each other. Yeah. And maybe one night, he just, his big homie put him on a mission. He went and did something. But it's just like, I put in work for the gang. It's not like the guy who died specifically.

Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's why, like, in L.A. rap, you don't hear a lot of like, the dame stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. Now, you should listen to Jet Beazie. Is that the guy from San Bernardino or something? No, he from out here.

But, I mean, people hate on him because he, like, got, like. Oh, that's the guy who robbed somebody. Well, he took Heem Beezys chain and then, like, I guess like Heem Bezies homies came and like hog tied him and like faked him up and like rob shit out his crib or whatever. But musically, his shit is hard. And I have no idea if he's just like telling stories in his music or whatever. But he'd be dissing like people by name, having to bleep names out. Oh, okay.

Yeah. But some of it like, some of it, it's indistinguishable now what's real and what's fake. Like, Kai Benji's real. He feels real. He's real. And there's a couple. DreamLife Rizzi. Did he do an interview with you? Yeah.

He's real. Shout out to Dream Life Rizzi. Well, I don't know if he's in jail, but he's real. The Rizzi interview is crazy to me because, what was it, Paul Graham? I think it is. It's like one of the guys from Y Combinators, like a huge venture capitalist or whatever. Like in the Dream Life Rizzi interview, he's talking about the fact that it's basically pointless to do drive-bys or like to go kill people.

Oh. And they use that to basically promote the security. security systems that they're selling. The flock cameras. Yeah, the No Jemmer interview was used as promotional material and they refer to DreamLife Rizzi as like, prolific gangsters. Yeah, one of the biggest killers or whatever. I'm like,

okay, I don't know. First of all, that's slander. He can sue for that because he's never been charged with a murder and you're saying he's a murderer. I think they said like one of the top criminals, not killers. Okay, well, that's different. I've never seen anything like that. But the picture that he's painting of what it's like to do crime in the Bay is just like,

oh, why would you do this? But that's It's over. It's over. And that's part of the reason. That's part of the reason the streets are dead, like, especially for the Bay Area, is, like, 2020, you can do whatever you want. And, like, the Bay Area has this culture of anti-establishment, like, on a street level to where, like, it even spills over to the judges, the DAs, where, like, they don't even

want to charge you with a crime because they feel like that would be, like, Yeah, it's just liberal policing. It's, but it's not even just liberal. It's like, at this point, it's like full lefty garbage. Where it's like, they're letting people out. You had a guy sitting in the seat that was supposed to go down for a murder. And they gave him one year. Like, it's crazy.

But so 2020, not only did you not have the technology to catch this stuff, but then even if you did get caught, the DAs were just letting you go. Or the judge, or the DA does prosecute and the judge lets you go. It's like there's so many levels of how many steps it would take for you to actually go to jail for doing a crime in the Bay Area at that point where like a lot of these videos I could I could just do endless content. People were hitting crazy licks doing crazy shootouts on the bridge, all this stuff that's just not possible to do anymore. And you think there's that big of a difference in like six years from 2026 to 2020 because I mean 2010 to 2020 is kind of like light and day too. Like if you rewind all the way to like the 70s or the 80s, I mean. Well, I can speak for us in like the Bay Area. What makes 2020 crazy is just it was quiet before that.

Like 2019, 2018, 2017, the streets were kind of quiet. And then 2020 like pandemic time. Yeah. I think it's nationally too. Yeah. Like the beefs just fucking exploded. The murders went through the roof. Dude, it just Oakland was doing like 150 murders, which now this year it probably won't even hit 50,

which is like insane because now not only are a lot of the beefs kind of dead because who's left to even be involved in them but also like you're really not getting away with shit

it's not it's just a matter of time you know there was a guy involved in like the San Francisco beef and he thought he got away with the murder and he was smoking on the scene of the murder he was sitting outside somebody's house with the blunt he ashed the blunt out

out of his window and that's how he got caught because they took the DNA from the blunt. But he was already a suspect so that's why he wasn't. They just went, dude, they're not playing anymore.

Wow. 2020 they wouldn't have given a shit. That's crazy. You know, but now they're like going for all types of evidence. Like J-Bo, I don't want to talk about that.

Actually, let's talk about it. Sure. The gun that was, he was found with was used in the shooting of Dream Life Rizzy. Yeah.

But J-Boh had nothing to do with that. Really? That was just dudes pass around. Yeah. Strapes and stuff. But back in the day, like, they weren't serial. They weren't checking serial. They weren't going to an Arkansas case in Oakland police contacting them with a serial number of the casings that match.

Like, they're not playing anymore at all. Yeah. Until, like, the 90s, local police departments weren't, like, working to. in any way so you could be a serial killer killing people all over the place doing the same exact method to kill people and they just weren't able to link it together effectively and now the forensics the DNA that everything like Palantir is active yeah like Palantir is being used in San Francisco it's being used in New Orleans it's being used in New York yeah and it's basically like the databases are being all

mesh together on a national basis like all your info yeah so it's very easy for them now to figure out where you were at a certain time on what you recently purchased on your credit card, shit like that. They can access all your records. So if like, yeah, people hate invasive technology like that,

but at the end of the day, what it's going to basically create is a world in which violent crime is almost extinct. Yeah, but on the flip side, it could also create a world where the government is unthrowable. Like,

it's like, it can create horrible regimes where human, are scared to speak out against the government because a Palantir drone might show up at your door. Yeah, probably. It's a slippery slope. I feel like 10 years from now,

the whole thing that I've heard that they're like working on implementing in Chicago and shit is like, okay, there's a shooting at a random intersection. Boom, the drone gets instantly deployed there and then immediately is able to like sync with the cameras in the neighborhood. They're going to be able to see the person is.

That's San Francisco. They're already doing it. They follow, you know, that kind of shit. once like everywhere on earth has cameras, once everywhere on earth has technological or a facial recognition technology, I mean, it's just gonna,

and people resent that because we all have this assumption that I should be able to drive drunk. And if I get pulled over, sure, if I drive like shit, they pull me over, sure, arrest me, give me the do I fine.

But like, people like would be horrified by the idea of like everybody having to have a breathalyzer in their car. Yeah. But it's going to get to the point where violent crime is like that, where it's like you have no chance of getting away with it. And it's going to produce a safer society, but also there's a lot of freedom that we're going to give up on.

I mean, but that's part of being American. American is giving up safety for freedom. That's always, because you always have to give up a certain amount of safety for freedom. Yeah. Like even our gun rights. Yeah. Well, you don't really have them here in California, but generally speaking, it's like, guns do make it more dangerous.

A lot of people are like, oh, if we're all strapped, it'll be safer. You might feel safer on an individual level. I've lived in plenty of open carry states. It is way more dangerous than California. Statistically, it's way more likely. Way more likely. Yeah.

But it's just the cost of the freedom to have that. Like, you know? Because you don't want to end up like England. Yeah. You know, they're going to jail for social media posts. Yeah. If they were armed, maybe that wouldn't be so it wouldn't happen like that. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, that's a scary scenario that too. It's like, what are you going to do with, you know, the four handguns that you've been managing to procure when they show up at your house and say, hey, we're going to arrest you for your Facebook post. Like, we're going to shoot it out. You're looking at it on an individual level,

but on a societal level, I think an armed society is more prone to resistance. Like, if you look at Albania in the late 90s, they basically overthrew their government, their communist government. Right. Just an armed civilian. Yeah.

You know. I mean, thinking about the fact that we may soon have an America in which it's pretty easy to move around with a gun on you in quite a few states. But then also, there's so much security, so many cameras, so much facial recognition technology that you're not going to be able to get away with anything that you do illegally. Like, it's just not going to really be much of a question of if it was self-defense or not, because everything is caught on camera. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, it kind of like

society will be violent but it's kind of get less violent as a result of all this stuff like as a person who used to commit crimes and now doesn't it just really feels like I guess I'm not bothered by the idea of everything being captured on camera

because I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong and I want my kids to grow up in a world that has less violent crime I don't know I think it's an inherent risk you take when you are American yeah like I think I don't like the idea of the flock cameras and everything. Just because it can, in the wrong hands.

Yeah. Could be used for evil. Just feels like there's no way around it. And honestly, American trust in our government right now is probably the lowest it's ever been. That's true for sure. And so, like, trust is low,

but then, like, sense or like, surveillance is getting high. It's bound to cause an issue, in my opinion. Yeah. But, like, yeah, all right. I'm not going to get too much. into it but when did you first realize that there were people that knew who you were and how did your identity get leaked out okay okay I'm glad I'm glad you asked that because I want to

know the first person to ever know who I was was Deboi rapper how did you know so I trolled him on Instagram well I didn't troll him or something I can't remember I posted something kind of disrespectful where I was like he's not really like that this was like 2023 maybe and he he posted Lil Rug, and that's how that rumor started. Okay. The little... Yeah, that's what we originally thought that you were. Originally thought I was, and that's because he posted it.

But after he posted that, he sent me my own address and name. Wow. And I was like, whoa. And he was like, I know who you are, for real. And he was like, stop playing with me. And you really don't know how he knew? I don't know how we knew. Really?

Wow. So, because nobody knew. Like a couple of my buddies, but nobody that he would have known. Anyways, so he sends me that. And I was like, dude, first of all, thank you for not exposing me. Holy shit. Like, you're a real one because I was kind of being disrespectful. And you didn't take it there.

In fact, you actually helped my case by throwing somebody else on it. And then, but no. But then my mistake was I was last summer. I was in San Francisco. And I was waiting to pick up a couple buddies. And I was smoking at a view spot. And as I'm smoking like Lil Bean and Little Bean and Little little ye pull up like right behind me and they're like yo your car is sick can we use it for a music

video or something where they're like we're just shooting music i was like yeah and so i'm just like chopping it up with them was it that green Porsche yeah yeah yeah yeah so then like i'm chopping it up with them and their manager and their manager goes yo your swamp stories and i go what no and he goes oh okay and then he goes wait yeah you are and i was like just on the voice yeah wow and then i was like oh fuck and then uh and then little ye and little bean were like that's fucking crazy like what the fuck and then uh and so a lot of people like now that i'm exposed a lot of people thought like oh they knew him before like that's not true it was just like happenstance but like they are like it's so funny like they were like yeah we're not going to tell nobody but i'm sure they did oh dude

the next day i was getting the next day i was getting texts from rappers talking about little ye pressed you he told everybody he pressed you in the city and i was like Like, I mean, that's not what happened. Like, he's cool as, like, I love his music. Right. Like, that's not what happened. Yeah. But that's how it started.

And then, like, everyone knew. Mm. But it wasn't on social media. Yeah. Because nobody's, like, nobody was corny enough to, like, post it. Be like, this is Swamp Stories. Like, but until, um, maybe like three months ago, uh, I don't even want to say the guy's name, a rapper of like.

I've seen in the video that you wouldn't say his name. Yeah. He was just, like, posted me. of nowhere posted at all like my information he had like an old address from like four years ago it was weird i was like how do you have that address and then like and then like um he put my phone number out there and all different like crazy shit and i was like yo what's your problem and he was just like ranting to me about like about random shit where he was like you know like you know like you know how these rappers can be just emotional and like angry and he was like uh he was like you don't give me credit

blah blah blah blah and I was like bro I've been promoting you for a year for free and so he just put me out there and I was just getting death threats like crazy and I was like fuck it like this shit is over so it wasn't actually about that house tour I thought that the house tour that you did or apartment tour that you did that that helped expose you no not really oh okay that was unrelated no okay yeah and so but did you ever actually feel because you said that someone almost killed you in the video you said like that somebody had the drop on you or that like something that

you said you came within an inch of death oh I was trolling oh I like to troll the Bay Area a little bit oh okay I like to make them feel like they're really tough but no no honestly but I went there like a month or two ago to film the video to film a vlog

and honestly I get to the airport and I go to Saramonte Mall which is like 10 minutes from the airport it's like a Filipino area so like I wasn't worried about anything There's a bunch of like Filipinos that sag And then like Like they're not actually gonna do anything

But so I go on the mo- No but if you know Daily City They're just like fully fully like wig it out Okay Like the Filipinos Or whatever chick it out Filipinos Sure And like

I go into the first store I go and there's two black dudes in there And they just get on me They're like Bro you swamp bruh They're like You be disrespecting our city bro Like how do they know Just because he posted my face

Oh Oh, because that, okay, okay. So, like, it kind of became known. And they were, like, pressing me. And then they were, like, they said somebody's name in the NFL that I know. And they were like, he's from our block, like, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know him. They were like, okay, I don't know if they're going to beat my ass.

But they ended up shaking my hands and they left. But they posted me on their story. And so I started getting, like, their ops are, like, tear it off members. So I started getting tear it off members, like, oh, we're coming to the ball now. We're going to come rob you and beat your ass. Oh, shit. And so, like, I skedaddle it out. of there and that's when I knew like I can't just roam around the bay but you still went to

some neighborhoods and shot that video kind of I was kind of trolling like I wasn't really like in the mix but it's also like as to what we were saying earlier there's flock cameras everywhere right no one's actually going to do anything you don't think not like involving death like no one would shoot me yeah but like they might like come up on me and be like we're gonna beat your ass yeah but that's what people always ask me like are you scared that someone's going to kill you. I'm like, I don't really think I'm doing anything

that's like on that level. This rapper also said something to me yesterday where he was like, if you and Adam, I swear to God, he was like, if you and Adam were black, you guys would be dead by now.

Yeah, they always said that to you too. Yeah, like, Sean Cotton said that to me in an interview and I'm like, I got all these examples of like different black content creators

that are totally fine and I just don't really know. They always say it to me. They're like, you're like, you're white because if you were black, we would have been killed you. And I was like,

well, that sounds like a you thing. I don't understand that dynamic. Admitting that you're too to kill someone of your own kind or whatever or that you would be more willing to kill someone of your own kind. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Like, what's the correlation? You know? I guess just because like, white guys like I guess gets to do a lot of things like be cool with both sides of a beef. You know, like for me,

I'm totally able to do like a Hoover interview in a 60s interview. But no one's ever done anything to academics. But academics ain't really outside like that, you know? Like I guess he is now. But he moves around like a very specific way like I go outside every single day with no security and Academics when I see him like going to a basketball game he got security and I'm like oh man like I go to a basketball game with my wife and I'm just I don't even give a f*** I'm thinking about it

Yeah because most of the time like because I got noticed like seven times and I was on the Bayer I was only out there for two days I recognized like seven times like other than those two dudes who oppressed me at first like it was just people like Initially kind of being like you know that's crazy and then being like I love you you video like just kind of like gassing me up yeah to where like I think that's kind of how it goes generally yeah you know I mean my main thing is that like if I go to the mall if I go wherever unless it's like a hip-hop specific event I don't even see dudes who are on some tough shit at all ever and then if I do see someone who visually looks to be some sort of gang member or whatever and they recognize me it is like every single time it's all love you know and once in a once in a

moon, I'll see somebody like looking at me and I'll be like, oh, they don't fuck with me or whatever. The other day, I was walking down the street in a parking lot at a grocery store and some fucking fat-ass Mexican dude goes, beep, beep, I look up and he doesn't even look at me and just goes like this and just keeps driving.

And I was like, that is the most disrespected that I've gotten in public in years. And this he just kept on driving. And I didn't even do, I didn't do anything. I just kept walking. It's like whatever. It's like keyboard warrior in person. Yeah, it was just,

weird but like that you know like the idea like that thing that you described are the two dudes pressing you at the mall that's you know that's that's that's intense but i mean that's like so rare yeah unless you put yourself in very specific situations because i love being in the bay area and always like envision myself moving back there but it's just that like i think somebody would do something for clout yeah you know if you make it easy enough yeah you know to where like if i'm just at planet fitness in a group of like three dudes. Like, if they want to, like, beat my ass, I guess they just can and you record it, like, six-nine. I get six-nined. No, for sure. But I mean, the question is, like, who really, like,

six-nine taught us a lot about the streets of, like, how not determined to exact revenge they are, because six-nine, six-nine moves around with no security all the time. Not only that, but, like, how little snitching actually matters. Yeah. How little they actually care. Like, they pretend, like snitching is like the end all be all of like you're done. But like I know plenty of rappers that snitched or just gang members that snitched and I have the paperwork and their homies are still like hanging around with them. They're still making music videos like. Yeah.

It's not the street rules are kind of not real at all. It would be painful to cut off your homie just because he told, you know? Like it would be hard even if you. Yeah, because it's a human being. Yeah. Like following ridiculous codes that were. constructed yeah

like that don't really have don't mean anything okay it's snitching to say that they shot me first and I shot back that's snitching because that's what they consider snitching now

like you can't say anything in the cops yeah but like okay so I'm supposed to go to prison for a shooting when I was really just acting in self-defense

yeah you know yeah that's outrageous I mean that's what they tried to say about DreamLife Rizzy they tried to be like he's a snitch

because he said that they shot at him first yeah it's like they shot at him first Yeah. He didn't say who did it. He's just saying, hey, shots came my way, I shot back, you know? No, facts.

Do you feel like NorCal, hip-hop, street rap in general is in a f*** up place? Because obviously it was like, J-Bo was leading the charge. He was supposed to be the dude that came into the game and like brought everybody up behind him. He was supposed to be the chief keep, be the King Vaughn of Northern California. I was. And then just got it cut off the legs. I was sick when you got arrested. No, he would do.

But for doing the most dumb ass. Wait, didn't he take his charge already? He, I think, is accepting a plea deal. He didn't accept. I don't want to say anything that'll incriminate him. I mean, he was offered a plea deal, I think, of seven years. And then he decided he was going to go to trial. And then before they went to trial, he decided he was going to take a plea deal.

So we don't know exactly what plea deal he's going to take. But it's probably going to be somewhere in that seven-year range. He was moving so reckless. Yeah. Like he was in a city, allegedly, not factually, where he was like open carrying two Dracos, right? Right. And I was like, yo, don't do that. And he was like, no, it's legal here.

I'm like, not for you. You're a felon. And he was like, what does that mean? I was like, are you serious? No. He didn't, no. He must have been trolla. He knows what a felon is.

So I'm just saying, like, that dude was basically asking to go to prison. so talented too. You know, like, and he's got that energy. He's got that natural stardom to him. Yeah. To like, look, without him, EBK's done. There's no, like, jock doesn't have the stardom. Like, these guys, they just don't have it. He has that. He has that young boy effect. So when he went down, it was like, that, he took NorCal wrapped down with him. Yeah. And it doesn't help that, you know, many of the EBK members have taken L's since he got locked up. else well you know libo getting beat up outside of the courthouse or whatever that was not good

there's something like a bunch of little things like that that make it like oh i don't know like to me the the the hallmark moment for me of jabo was when a of nino was like threatening him with the bounty hunter stuff and jabo was like okay i'll come through right now with four draco's i don't go for and then and then al nino was just kind of like do you know what i mean i was like okay jaybo is really like he's really like that guy yeah yeah no and jabo you put him into the same category as vaughan and pushaistee and all these other dudes who are just too gangster for their own good but but part of like why he was such a good rapper is because he really was willing to do these crazy crash out things that he's describing him the song same thing with push isiasty like he yeah

the most retarded rapper ever that's what like even makes the music better because yeah they can listen to it you can feel it like certain rappers like you're like you're You listen to it, you're like, okay, you're just yapping. Yeah. But J-Bo, it's like, no, he's being fucking serious. I mean, I could go find a cool, handsome, talented young black dude and tell him, hey, I got this guy who's amazing at writing lyrics and every song is going to be all killing people. And if you heard it, you would just laugh at it. Yeah.

On the reverse. It's an energy around it. On the reverse, like, we have a guy in San Francisco called Teradoff Greasy. Shout out to Terodov Grizy. Which, I don't know why he's not done an interview with you, but. He was supposed to a certain time. But he can't rap. Like he's out of breath after like two bars.

But he's really like, he's like a top demon in San Francisco. Yeah. So like he gets really good views on his music because of the simple fact that like, I'm not gonna like, I kind of take credit for it too. Like I made him known to a wider audience.

I probably wouldn't know about him if it wasn't for you. Yeah. So like. Same thing with Chibhred. His street cred took him, took his career what's why a lot of rappers like ask me to post them and stuff or make stories about them yeah because it's like I can give you a lot of street cred that solidifies your lyrics yeah but uh I don't do it if it's not authentic yeah like if you're if I don't know

that you really like that like why would I make a video saying you're like that you know yeah that would be worth a lot of money swap stories video like the labels don't with me though they should they've never done anything with no like a lot of people accuse me of working with Empire and stuff. They don't like me at all. So it's like, yeah, it would be beneficial for them

to work with me, but I mean, you're probably like more polarizing. That's the problem. But I don't, like, Empire don't really like reach out to me either. It's like,

all these labels like don't really do shit with like established content creators. It's kind of weird. No, but a lot of them like want to do their own media in-house. Empire, for sure,

just trying enough forever. It just doesn't work. Yeah. It's never going to work. Because media, YouTube at this point is all about the content creator and so if you're a company, even if you got a lot of money and you go try to hire content creators to make content

for your platform, it's going to cost you a shitload because their alternative is to make more content, stream more, make more YouTube videos, etc. And then ultimately, like, it's not going to feel all that genuine because this dude realistically is going to keep most of their best content for their platform. So, you know, whenever I see like a new label

or whatever, swear that, like, shout out to Cole Bennett, shout out the lyrical lemonade, but like, they're, they have all these shows on their channel now. I don't get it.

I don't think it's going to work. Well, it's part of, part of the reason that why we can get views is because we're impartial. Yeah. Like,

we don't have a stake in the game with the people we talk about. Right. Like, you don't have any incentive to, like, gas up somebody, nor do I.

Yeah. Because I'm not financially making money off them or with them. Yeah. So I'm, I'm just here to tell, the truth or my truth as I see it. It has to feel like it's coming from a

place of passion because to the fans they've just seen so much half-hearted phoned in content over the years that they just like they're able to pick it out immediately. And you have options in the game. You could watch huge content creators

like a Joe Rogan or a Shannon Sharp or Kill Tony or a fucking academics or whatever or you could go super niche and there's streamers if you only care about what's going on in the bay area there is a streamer for you there is some guy who only talks about chicago drill drama if that's the only thing that you care about so you take the thousands of like micro niche channels that might only make a couple thousand bucks a month or whatever and then you take the giants where does the corporate born you know dude who was hired to do a job

where does that fit in that's like in the uncanny middle ground i think i think that's in general like that's the culture anyway. Like the American culture. Like we don't want corporate middlemen. Like we just want authentic. That's why YouTube is so successful in mainstream television, Netflix and all that stuff is dead. Yeah.

Because it feels fake. That's why like a Tucker Carlson gets fired by Fox News. It's bigger than he's ever been. Yeah. And he's doing interviews like every week. It gets like many millions of views. I'm not a fan. But like, you know, people got interviews with 40 million views.

I'm a fan of like. some of the things he says but a lot of it is just conspiracy garbage like conspiracies are fine but when they're baseless it's like why even bring it up yeah i mean it's just kind of like the people have so many options that whatever youtube felt like in 2020 we're in a completely different place dude youtube's gotten hard yeah it really has it definitely is and like the saturation of content not even just like in our lane but in general there's so much high quality content out there yeah where it's like you have to spend a lot of money. If you want to make a vlog in 2026,

you better have four Lambo's in a mansion and an insane personality and ripped. It used to be daily vlogging. Everybody was daily vlogging. All you had to do was, you know, have like a babe in the thumbnail or like a rapper or whatever and like it was just too great.

But I feel like there's going to be a renaissance. A vlogging? Of like the death of materialism and the death of like shock value shit where it's just going to be like authentic people are going to reclaim fame. You know what I mean? Yeah.

We're like a guy's just living his life getting millions of views as opposed to like, I don't know if you know like TJR and Bres and Kwan. I know I set up the Kwan thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And like where they've got all these crazy cars

and crazy lifestyle and they're constantly buying new shit. A lot of it's not real, but, but, but, that has the youth like I need four lambos and all this shit I think that's gonna die. Daily vlogging is it's just

you know what it is too is that it's like people daily vlog all the time they just do it on TikTok. Yeah. Because it's so much easier to consume a two minute chunk of your life whereas like that that time period where Roman Atwood would be making a vlog that was 20 or 30 minutes long every single day. I mean that's just so much work

and the fan base is just not. really there for it in the way they used to be. And you could really do the same thing on TikTok. The problem is TikTok's monetization is ass. Yeah. I don't know if you've experienced that. It's like a waste of time. Ridiculous. Yeah. Like you can use it as a marketing tool, but it's not anything to depend on. Yeah. And that's the weird thing is that in 2017, if you knew somebody who was a popping YouTuber, they were making all this money. And now you meet somebody and they're a popping TikToker and they're making shit. Yeah. They're like hyped to make a thousand bucks a month off TikTok or whatever because it's just like impossible. They're banking off sponsorship.

Yeah, that's the new thing. Which sponsorships are really only big when the economy is booming. You know, like post-pandemic, when the stimulus checks were stimulating the economy, like, sponsorships were coming, like, quick. Now it's like, I'm not going to say it's dead, but it's not what it used to be for sure. No, yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely. Okay, so I'm trying to think of like, is there anything else that I really need to talk about?

I mean, I had your channel pulled up. I was looking at your most viral videos, but I don't know. What are we missing out on here? The Boosey one. Boosey was very mad at you.

Yeah, he was. How did you actually get word that he was upset with you? He contacted me. And he said, I don't appreciate you calling me a serial killer in your video title. He just said, I'm going to sue you. And I was like, for what?

And he said defamation or something. Right. Right. But, I mean, I didn't, wasn't defaming at all. So there's nothing to bring forward because all I was saying was shit that was in court documents. It's kind of like what I do though. Right. You know, a lot of people assume that like I'm bringing information forward that wasn't already out there. But I'm not. Yeah. You know. No, definitely. Dirk's evil Crip assassin about our boy, Brick baby. A free big frig baby. How he set up Lopab's murder. Okay, that was insane. I'm sorry, Brick.

But it's so funny, Brick didn't care. No, because he knew it wasn't real. Brick is the number one dude that's just like, yeah, make me look like you're killer. I don't go, that's great. Brick would call me and just be like nodding off, saying the most random shit. I want him to come home, bro. Brick had like one in the morning was so different than Brick in the middle of the day because he was just be, the perks would just add up all day.

Oh my God. Free brick, baby, man. Free brick. Oh, you know, he says he's not going to be doing perks anymore. You know it's funny. Crit Mac hit me up. when I first got exposed. And what did he say?

Because you had a big effect on his life. Negative? I mean, yeah, pretty much. He got DP'd because of your video. Oh, shit. So for the record, for the people out there, he makes a video about Crip Mac. And this is already when Crip Mac is like fully over exposed.

Like already everybody knows all about Cripank. But you really took the old Facebook posts about being from Gator Crip and saying, you know, he was kind of like claiming Hoover and shit. Like all these weird little things. that in his mind, this was him doing like schizophrenic trolling. And then it comes out, they summoned him to the hood.

According to people from his hood, they were not planning on necessarily DP in them right then and there. But he like pops out the Uber and is basically like, yeah, all right, what's good with the DP? Like starts talking shit and like basically exit on to the point where they then whoop his ass. I want to formally apologize from Trip Mac. But he did hit me up recently when I got to

exposed and he was like um if you give if you come with me to like give uh money and food to the homeless like the five five crips will no longer be on your ass i am is that worth it i don't know is that a worth it transaction i mean why would the five five cribs be on your ass when they're the ones who d ped him no i think he met him yeah but like honestly i'm down so crp mac we want to go around giving food to the homeless and money i'm down to do it with you all bring the money in the food I think he would be down. Krip Mac is not like plotting on anybody. I mean, even like yesterday,

Krip Mac was mad at Trooper because he, you know, made Kripp and look bag with the whole situation with Jet 5 and everything. And then I said like, Yo, he's not even a Krip though.

He's just a homie of the Krips. No, he's a Kripp. Yeah, he's just lying. He's from Roehundred. Yeah, but don't bang. Did you not hear him?

I know. And that's why the cribs were horrified by him denying that he fucking bangs. That's like the worst thing you can do in L.A., is to like say you don't bang when you do bang?

I don't know if it's the worst thing you can do, but it's definitely up there with like the things that you're not supposed to do. You're not supposed to tuck your chain and you're supposed to deny bang. He's a strong guy. Oh yeah. I mean, them physically,

you're looking at like a world-class. You're looking at death. I mean, this is Ronnie Coleman and your eight-year-old cousin. Yeah. It's just not, there's no comparison. Yeah.

I mean, but yeah, I mean, I don't think Crip Mac, you know, it already happened. The information was bound to come out sooner or later. Yeah, you got beat. dub it was like four years ago was heker yeah he's a legend crickmack's a legend he still gets views yeah i thought it would go stale by now yeah tic-tok kripmack is killing it in the

tic-tok algorithm i believe it um all his anti uh anti-offing yourself stuff yeah is big people are motivated to keep going there has been times where i was viral enough that i actually bothered to look at tic-tok and i see so many f f fainting clips of myself and clips of interviews that I did and when I really think about how many views have or how much money has been made by people on TikTok but I mean hey they're promoting the content so it is what it is but it's a good exchange but you know that Twitter they discuss this and I think it's going to happen at some point you upload all of your content to Twitter every single video you make and then if somebody clips something from one of your videos it automatically gets flagged and you get revenue sharing

So that's the kind of thing that would make me upload every podcast that I do on Twitter To Twitter just so that we can immediately start getting money from it Yeah It's kind of brilliant I hate Twitter No, it's bullshit, yeah, it's terrible Twitter, you're either gonna jack off Or you're gonna think the world's gonna end tomorrow because of nuclear warfare Yes, there's no in between

A big part of my problem that I've always had with Twitter Is that I go there because I'm trying to find Pop culture, news, podcast clips, hip hop topics, etc. That I could talk about on the podcast. But then you go to it and it's all rage-inducing political shit that I guess I look at it. So that's why the algorithm keeps feeding me it, but I don't want it. But so now you can create your own custom timelines.

And so I got hip-hop right here so that when I want to look for stuff, I can just kind of go there. The problem being for me at this time is that when I go to it, it's Kendrick and Drake and not a lot else. But if you think about it, it's like the algorithm is not a number. necessarily going to know that when I say hip hop I also want you to show me like some guy who got beat up at the liquor store I want to see stuff about much smaller underground rappers like I don't know that the algorithm is necessarily going to like include all of that shit I think that's why TikTok is so superior even Instagram like the algorithm on Instagram is insane the stuff that it brings you first of all what are the guidelines do we even know at this point to Instagram? It's like you can see the most insane stuff and then sometimes you'll post something and just get

flagged and that's not even you do you ever experience that yeah bizarre stuff from like it'll two years ago yeah you'll get like a you'll get like a restriction or something and it was like a post from three years ago about the most random thing yeah and then like you'll scroll and there'll be like a guy getting his face blown off like what yeah that's allowed no it's insane the amount of violence you could potentially see on there but then like every girl in the instagram game now knows that you cannot post a photo showing your ass the algorithm is so good like it's not that you can't post it

but it's like it will get very very little engagement the days of like girls constantly posting booty photos and then those photos going viral are just so over. You would know about that wouldn't you? Deep in this game yes but but like it's just like girls are getting flagged like left and right I know so many porn chicks

who had their Instagram was deleted the last couple of months really? Yes it's so crazy because then they follow me on their new account and I'm like you got 400 followers like is this really you and I have to like Yeah, that's crazy. Hit them up on the side to figure out if it's actually them. Instagram is a weird one, man.

I don't know. I feel like Twitter should be permanently deleted. It's not good for society. It's not a good place. There's no benefit. No one's doing anything positive on Twitter. Social media has divided us and it's made us hate each other. It's increased polarization on a level that nobody could have ever expected 10 or 20 years ago

when social media started to form. But the effect that's had on society is absolutely horrible. We have to find a way out. You got people like saying things. they don't genuinely believe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they're just going with the flow on these insane takes. I'll see it.

Like, do you actually believe that? It's like, ah, not really. Well, I'll see a tweet saying something about Drake that will be so negative that it'll be mind-blowing that anybody could ever believe this. And then you look at the responses and it's all them promoting their other tweets. And I'm like, oh, this guy doesn't believe that at all. Like, this is just he's, you know. Yeah, sensation, yeah. Yeah, it's outrageous.

sales so what are you going to do what's what's coming forward yeah what's the the goal going forward uh I think I'm gonna try to pivot it's more serious content while still maintaining the ones that I'm passionate about like I still care about like larger themes of beefs and stuff like um Mexican mafia things like that where it's like it can have a real effect. But as far as like said rapper versus said rapper or I don't. Trying to make something out of nothing. Trying to make something is like I don't.

Yeah. You know, I'm just, I'm going to try to pivot. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm kind of chilling right now. Yeah. So I'm not too stressed. Do you think that it would get you motivated and off the couch if let's say

if you hired me at no jumper, yeah? Hmm. Well, look at me. interesting but like okay what I'm trying to imagine like the craziest NorCal beef thing that could happen like let's say you know I don't want to put anything out there no put it out there that's negative put it out there okay let's say the craziest mazzi oriented storyline ever happens I don't care about mom you don't care about mazzi is 2016 oh wow okay yeah give me another name um personally okay here's okay let's say dream life riz he gets exposed he killed a bunch of people tomorrow

his name gets way bigger people are dying they're fiend and they're looking for content You know you got a couple million videos if you break down all this murders. You got to come out of retirement for that right? Yeah No, I'm not retiring. Yeah, I'm just gonna try to pivot my content Yeah gradually for sure. Yeah Hell yeah. Because like when it feels like the streets need this content That's different, right? Like yeah, I mean it's like it's like you don't want to feed closed mouths Yeah. When they're feigning yeah go crazy definitely, you know? For sure. I honestly thought about like streaming and stuff when I first got exposed

because like I do kind of have like a I don't want to say like a cool personal life but I'd just be doing shit but then I was like What do you do? You drink? Huh? You drink? No I just I'm into like cars, guns shit like that. So yeah.

Honestly like your channel it does kind of seem like your fans are pretty willing to follow you wherever so it's weird honestly like I've been I've been thankful for that Like, they're way more loyal than I thought they would be. A lot more loyal than the average, like, YouTubers Street commentary guy.

I'll drop, like, though, Dream Life Rissy. I mean, not Dream Life. The little day and one I just dropped, it's on a brand new channel. And, like, it's out of like 100K right now, like a day and a half later. And that's not exactly a household name. And it's like, it's like. And it's like. Like, I got people that'll watch pretty much anything.

So I'm thankful for that. Yeah, people like, you know, a young, successful, cool dude who's got. a lot of cool hobbies you're into cars you're into guns you're into girls whatever i mean that a lot of the youtube fan base that's like pretty much what they're in it for yeah but i'm also like not trying to create anything fake yeah you know trying to be authentic definitely yeah i mean i see sean shon cotton doing like real respectable youtube views and it's basically him just setting up his iphone and just kind of talking about whatever the viral topic is for the day yeah yeah yeah we've done a couple of yeah i've tried to tap in with him so many times really never got to

their response. He probably hates white people. Well, what does that mean for you? I'm ambiguous. I am. They don't know what I am. You're white than me. That's why I never turned my head so you can't see the yarmulke up back here. I get the Jewish accusations big time now.

Me too. This interview is probably going to make that worse. Yeah. Especially you going hard for Israel? They will not replace us. Okay. Who do you want to? I want to shout out. Who's shown you love that actually meant something. Oh man. Hold on. Shown love? Semi limited? Dude, it's kind of limited.

I get like fake. I get like like love under hate. Like I fuck what you're doing, but you're a bitch. And I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. They can't say it public. Because they can't go like, yo, bro, I fuck it to you. They just go like, you a bitch, bro. Yeah. But the videos are cool.

Yeah. And can you post my new song? Oh, no. the last thing I want to ask you about before we end though is it feels like your YouTube personality is one thing that is like largely respectful but then like your Instagram story is like a totally different person and it in particular comparing murder rates between cities and sort of clowning cities that have low murder rates that's not what I do though it's misinterpreted I'm just posting it and I let people rock with I'm like letting

you get away with like calling LA squabble city which is like loki clowning LA's for not having enough murders. That's not. Well, that's kind of what you're doing. It's not. It's not. Okay, maybe a little bit. But it's just the the perceptions don't often meet the reality. Like, I'm from the Bay. I'm from San

Francisco. It's so safe. It's unbelievably safe. I hate when they try to be like, oh, it's so, you got to be a goon to live out here. It's like, what are you talking about? Right. That's just where it comes in. I mean, the danger in San Francisco

is the... Your car getting broken into, which is not dangerous. And crazy homeless people. Which is so rare. Yeah, it's not really that. How many people have you heard of San Francisco getting stabbed or shot by a homeless person? No, yeah. It's like, totally insignificant.

But when you're L.A. is way more dangerous. When you're in San Francisco, it does feel dangerous because the bombs are aggressive and they're strung out on drugs and they're everywhere. It just, if it ups up the quality of life of being there. I think you're talking about like downtown San Francisco.

I am. Yeah, for sure. Which is a top. tiny part of the city. No one lives there. Right. But there's a reason why no one lives there is because it's disgusting. Yeah, but like 99% of San Francisco, even the projects are very safe. Yeah. And clean and

well maintained. Yeah. Like it's not what, you know, that's my thing. Because I've lived other places. I, like, I lived in Baton Rouge for six years. And like the poverty in Baton Rouge is like next level. Like, those guys will literally be inside of McDonald's and will shoot each other

because they looked at them wrong. Like it's like, it's a completely different thing. Yeah. So where like when I go back to the bay and I like remember my childhood or whatever, I'm like, yeah, that wasn't happening in San Francisco at all.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's not to say there aren't real beefs because there are. Yeah. And oftentimes like when I, when I refer to like San Francisco's low murder rate, it is kind of misleading because

most of the murders that happen in San Francisco beefs happen in Oakland. You know? So a lot of Oakland. murder rate is just San Francisco. Really? Like this year I calculated 9 out of 25

of Oakland's murders were San Francisco beefs. Wow. So like Oakland isn't as bad as they say in terms of the beefs but San Francisco is worse

so there's somewhere like you know somewhat of yeah but like living in San Francisco there's nothing to worry about at all. I did a BMX trip to I think we stayed in Oakland

and we're driving up this is probably four years ago. We're driving up and the traffic's all fucked up because we're like driving to our Airbnb, which is basically just a house in a neighborhood with me and like six or seven of the homies all. We're just going to ride bikes for a week all over the Bay Area. And we're pulling up and there's hell of cars. And like we see as we get closer, we see the cops. We realize like, oh, okay, there's a police scene right here. We start to see the street is all blocked off. There's yellow tape everywhere. As we get closer, we see a guy in handcuffs. We realize that like,

oh shit like there's the little things all over the ground that they put there to like designate where the bullets are shit like that and we see this guy getting arrested and as he's getting arrested he just looks up as our car pulls up and he just looks at me and just goes Adam no fucking what you doing here no fucking way and the whole rest of the trip all the guys on the trip who are all bmx dudes and not like street fluent at all they're just like dude the shooter knew you that's so the shooter knew you that's crazy Yeah, that was a good stuff But, uh, and been back since

Yeah, Oakland's cool Oakland's often misrepresented I'm gonna just hang out with the Nortagnos In Oakland? Just everywhere Yeah, Nortennios are chill Yeah, you like them? North days?

Yeah, they're just like chill dudes My barber was in Nortei Yeah, they're just like Tagging walls and stuff The Seraeus want you to believe that the Nortenas are the spawn of Satan I'm not going No

They're nice guys I'm not saying nice and like a mean way. No, like they'll handle business if they have to handle business. But like they're not like, like they're just like chill Mexican dudes. Like I don't know. And the problem? Okay.

They're cooler. I'm not going to say like cooler than all Australians, but they're cool because their culture is hella intertwined with black culture and shit. So it's a little bit more of a. That's kind of a big. That is an interesting thing. Yeah, Moose Man points out every day. I will say like L.A.,

the black culture follows the Mexican. culture. Like even if you look at how L.A. gangbangers dress, that's from, and how they stand like ballerinas, that's Mexican shit. And how, like, that's not black shit. Even how they talk, a lot of the things they say

is like comes from Mexican culture, whereas the Bay, it's the opposite. Like, even though black people in the Bay are only like 5% of the population, like everyone else just copies what they do. So if like black people, Mexicans in the Bay talk, they say the N-word more than the black

They dress like them, they rap like them. They get the hairstyle like them. Whereas L.A., it's like, I believe that L.A. black culture follows Mexican culture. Well, the Mexicans have been here a lot longer than... Yeah, it also... In terms of demographics, too. Yeah. Like, L.A. is a very Hispanic.

The Bay Area is very Asian, and the L.A. is very Hispanic. You know? There's a lot of the Bay Area Hispanic culture is not Mexican. It's... We have a lot of Guatemalans. Mm. In Guatemalans, in Guatemalans everywhere. Whereas L.A., it's like three, four, five generations of Cholo,

Mexican-American Chicano culture. Right. It's different. It's definitely a different flow. Low riders, you will never see a low rider in the bay. Yeah. You know, that's L.A. shit. Yeah.

I mean, this is damn near Mexico, you know. Yeah. We're right, it's right there, you know. So obviously we're going to be like mega-influenced. Yeah, that's why when I see like those Instagram guys that are like, California is like basically Mexico now I'm like

no shit yeah it's right there I'm like yeah that's not like being like oh the Mexicans are taking over Maine yeah that I could understand

that's like okay okay what's going on here it's like dude this has always been kind of their shit I mean there's a lot of parts of San Diego that I've been to over the years where it's like

it's almost like you could easily forget whether you're in Mexico or America That's probably like my biggest gripe with, well not now, but was with like Trump is just, dude, Mexicans are so chill. Like, holy shit, bro. They're not like, you know what I mean? It's just such a, just being from California, all of us know like that's just cap.

Yeah. Yeah. All of the arts would be totally fucked without the Mexicans too. Dude, everything would be. Everything would be fucked. Yeah. If you're a rapper, it's like your fan base is. Your fan base, dude, if you're a rapper in California, what is it?

4% black, the state of California. Is it really? Something low like that, right? It's like 49% Hispanic. Makes sense. That's your fan base. You know what I mean? If you see the concerts that these guys do, like I saw like, you know, like one umbrella?

Yeah, yeah. Like their concert, I didn't see any black people in this crowd. I got to figure out who from one umbrella doesn't like me because I was talking all black about doing a one umbrella. all the interview on here. He was totally down. We go to set it up. It never happens. I'm like, there's got to be a hater over there.

I don't know which one. Because I interviewed Jim. It's not Loebene. I mean, I don't know. I interviewed these people years ago. It's not Lobin. He doesn't seem problematic. Yeah.

It's not Zaybang. He doesn't seem problematic. I don't know. It's probably a little yee. He probably did something to. I never interviewed him. So he would be the X factor, yeah. He doesn't fucking me anymore.

For real? Because I posted the X-X-4 thing. Oh. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. L.A. up the score on that one. Sorry, guys. That's why they don't want you to interview them.

That's why. Well, I mean, he's going to do... Free X-4. He's going to do 20 years over it. No, he's not. I mean... Free X-4? Yeah, hopefully not, but...

It's not looking too good. Is it? I mean, a little you denies, like, any involvement with that. But it sounds like Cap, right? He's just trying to... I mean, I heard from everyone there. that like that what I said happened definitely did happen right yeah what we heard happened definitely did happen yeah nothing to be I don't get that like why is it a problem to get shot

somebody runs in the studio with a gun and shoots you like are you supposed to be Superman are you supposed to just dodge bullets this is gangster shit where they don't want to admit anything bad has actually kind of like yeah you survive you like you win almost what are we talking about this is now the most harrowing tale that you should be mining for content dude you should be instead of saying right don't post that take that down you should be like yeah post it everywhere yeah and put a song in the second slide yeah but because by talking about it they're kind of snitching how just by even acknowledging that anybody ever shot a gun at them that's like it's factual there's shell casings i know but i'm saying like their mentality i guess is like

listen it's it's kind of snitching because if i even acknowledge that anything happened yeah i guess Bizarre, dude, if I got shot, God forbid, I'd be posting about it every day. I'd vlog the entire process at the hospital. Yeah, of course, yeah. Tell my wife, hey, when I'm, if I'm dying on the operating table, if you follow me like a bitch for getting shot, okay, I'm a bitch, but I'm got made money off of it.

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