No Jumper - T-Rell with Dizaster & Lush One on the Math Hoffa Fight, Geechi Gotti & More

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

T-Rell literally takes over the God Tier podcast, turns the table on them, and asks a gang of questions about battle rap! ----- 00:00 Intro 1:45 T-Rell says Diz and Lush only have battle rap guests so no other hosts felt like coming on their show 2:38 T-Rell has been watching a lot of battle rap lately, T-Rell was blown away by Dizaster battles 5:25 Dizaster tries to explain past beef with Math Hoffa?? 8:50 The beef got bigger when they did Total Slaughter battle TV show, they were living in the same house 12:50 Why the battle go left, Diz also says that everyone knew it would go left and promoters acted surprised 15:30 Hoffa got super confident around the time he was hanging out with crips 16:39 The fans definitely added fuel to the fire for years for this beef to keep going 19:35 T-Rell says Diz and Daylite fighting on camera was the lamest sh*t 22:05 T-Rell thinks because battle rappers are underpaid, it frustrates them into fighting each other 24:24 Diz says it was a toxic environment in retrospect, fans are entertained by shenanigans 29:33 T-Rell says Diz and Lush should be the point guards of battle rap, react to some battles and give their take 30:40 Dizaster vs Geechie, T-Rell says Geechie is crazy and asks Diz if he can hang with Geechie 34:40 Diz was the face of the west coast for years, Geechie is the new face 39:26 Diz exposed a battle rapper who bought bars to use during a battle 41:19 Canibus pulling out his notebook was one of the saddest moments in hiphop history 45:55 Canibus was one of the first major names to step into the arena, even since then, no one dared to battle 46:34 Drake hosting Diz battle in 2011, Diz and Lush say it kinda took battle rap to a different level, there wasn't much going on until then 49:05 People think Drake just popped out in the battle rap scene just recently 52:40 T-Rell asks how to make battle lucrative 54:45 Diz says there's no real formula to make it into battle rap, but to make it lucrative, you have to build a brand, IP, sponsors etc 57:53 Knowing your value as a battle rapper, and knowing the business just as much as your craft 1:08:10 Different hosts get a different kind of convo even from the same guest, plus wish list of artists they wanna have on ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

God tier podcast, the coolest battle rap podcast in the world with my co-host. If they try to run up, like, EZell in the cut, you're playing pot in the Lush, Diz, and T-Rail. What's good with it. Was good with it. Hey. And I'm glad to have a no-jumper MVP. Like, it's a rookie year and an MVP simultaneously. Like, you've been putting numbers on the board over you.

here, bro. Thank you. I would say the MVP is probably Sharp. Yeah, Sharp. Sharp is right there. Yeah, y'all should check out my interview with sharp too. I'm the sixth man off the bench. But you, I'm right there. If you, if you were six man, you were, you Michael Cooper. You feel me like that's a, yeah. And you know, by the way, you know, I just start battle rapping. Now I'm bullshit. Come on, come on. But I'm on here because nobody from our No Jumper family has came, you know what I'm saying, here and show, like, you guys support and, you know, and

like really shed a light on what you guys are doing, and so everybody else can know, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think everybody here holds y'all still to, like, a high pedestal. Like, it's, you know, it's up there, but we haven't really

came on here and dug deep and died, you know, and spoke to you guys and show love. So I said, I'm fun to be the first nigga from the no jumper family to come on this motherfucker and show you guys love and respect

we appreciate that immensely yeah because we all be on everybody's shit and I'm like hold on we forgot about these diggas you know I'm trying to get on your shit too yeah but I thought you know also I'd be thinking like you feel me I think

you know they wanted to keep it predominantly battle rap and you know they segregating it they segregating it they segregate it I don't know this day. Yeah, I'm like, you're right, you're right. You're right.

We kind of made this thing like, because we realized that like no jumper and they got it. We also don't want to take away from what other people got going on. So if we start generalizing and letting everybody come on, what we felt like we'd be like biting in the other shit. And we wanted to focus on just giving a platform for lyricists and battle rappers. But this is a special episode so it don't. And it's just too. It's like, oh, yeah, you guys were to keep a battle rap too. and I felt like nobody wanted to step on your toes

and it was kind of like a respect level there too because I know in the battle rap community it's another community it has to be respected, you feel me? And it's like family oriented so I feel like yeah. I hear you've been doing your dabbling watching battles and shit, man, T-Rab, man,

what you tell us about some of the shit you've been looking at? I'm like, hold on. I'm like, it's just one random night, you feel I'm on here and I'm like, let me click this. I'm like, first before I click and watch they video because I mean I'm not I ain't even gonna lie to you I wasn't like battle rap

fan but I knew you I knew and I'm like I know they here for a reason you feel me they're doing a thing but I don't know so I'm like you my first guy I'm like let me go see what he's done over the years boom boom boom I'm like oh damn oh damn you know what I'm saying you was handsome when you was young I don't know what happened I don't know what happened yeah and I'm like he's doing this thing it was drugs You guys were going crazy. Yeah, it was going crazy. And then I got to my man right here.

I got to you, no offense, but I got to you, and I was like, oh, my motherfucking God. I appreciate you, man. I wonder what it is you saw first. I'm like, this motherfucker is. It's a TV versus A class or something. But I'm like, they like. they like the disaster beef but I'm like disaster they got beef oh yeah so I'm like let me go look at it you know let me go look at this shit first boom boom boom I'm looking you know I'm looking at

your whole shit then I'm now I'm digging deep I'm talking about every time I look at some shit now I'm find myself up five six in the morning I'm I'm mad hopper look I'm just in math hopper to three in the morning we had that battle yet and then I'm like what did he do look I'm I like I don't want any hidden shit You know what I'm saying? I want to see where I'm How it led all the way up And white people was on Madhapa

And then I'm now I'm looking at Charlemagne interviews I'm on Vlad looking at Yeah they was all talking about it Yeah and they just felt like he was in the wrong And he was going to come like He deserved that He got a taste of his own medicine

And I'm like taste of his own medicine Now I'm going back to what he did I'm like This nigga Matt for scathing this motherfucking Right Math was laying people out and then in his prime man you know it's battle rap man it's like a it's a it's a fine line between like how we feel in that day and like what we're trying to get off our chest even when I was younger like I I try to always control myself but it's you know

you look back and you understand like it's part of growing up and like we just lose control sometimes and he was one of those dudes that used to lose control like what made you do that because it didn't seem like that's a long time coming that it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't It wasn't? Because it didn't feel like it was built up. His energy wasn't bad. There's always this great line between like how, why it happened. And even when I look back on it, there's so many factors into it.

It's the buildup and it's a spare-at-a-moment thing. It's like kind of both. Like it's, we kind of just wanted to rap. We both wanted to rap. But we both had that thing in us where we also didn't like each other. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because what was the buildup? Were you guys hating on each other?

There was a lot of shit before that. going to New York. Like, there was a lot of shit. Like, it was just, uh... Well, the first time... It was him, like, even before the battle, he was saying shit, like, online. He was tweeting me shit. Like, I'm gonna slap the shit out of you in the battle.

Well, the first time you went to New York. That, too. So, like, the first time I went to... And he's battling... This is, like, in 2010. He's battling this other dude named Swave Sever. And before that, like, you know the way New Yorkers be, you feel like. I explain the situation.

So, basically, like, I came out there, and, you know, they was trying to, like, press me over there. I was by myself. And they started. started getting upon me and I was, you know, I was in Brooklyn, like in a real gunner area. And it's because they were belittling L.A. And like I was in a real. And this was the only dude that was standing, like all the other rappers or battlers from the

West, nobody was like pressing lies. You feel me? Like, and you was like, you looked at like a real white boy. Yeah, I did. You know, you thought I was white. Your beard and the hair was cool. Yeah. I thought you thought you thought you were wearing beard in the hair.

Now, you're right. Right then I'm like, definitely what? I also used to be like hella just like unhealthy and just all. just eating like shit I used to eat like shit man I used to be like gray because I just used to eat really Oh it's crazy that people look at him like a white boy Because if you ask white people if he's white

They're gonna say hell no You feel me like they're not white people is not claiming disaster But I know what he means So like yeah But it's a general Especially in Brooklyn Like common misconception Maybe they were looking at me like that cool

Whatever the fucking case was I was out there and it was some gutter shit I wasn't at no fucking like place, like some like nice club or some shit. I was under a bridge in like a fucking barely dimly lit area. Like there was no lights. You know what I'm saying? Like the place looked crazy. We don't have shit in L.A. that look like that.

Even though L.A. is scarier. It look nice out here. Out there, it just look really bad. You know when you in the section. So like I'm over there and it's just like I'm just trying to rap. And they just getting upon me right before I go on stage too. Like they did it on a solo on a strategy. Yeah, yeah. But it was like a strategic thing. Like looking back on it, it was just to throw me off for my shit. But you know, you in the moment, you don't know. And there's, there's a dude like getting up on me. Like he's showing me a blade and he's like telling his homie like, what's up with this fool? Like they're doing all types of crazy shit. So I go in there and like math was part of that. So that's how it started because he got up on me before it started. And, you know, he said some shit to me because I was getting into it while hollow or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So basically he threw himself into it, even though he had nothing to do with it. So.

So from the beginning, he didn't fuck with me. He threw himself into it. You probably were saying shit to him too, right? No, no, I never was saying shit to him. So it's just started from there. No, he just threw himself in the middle of me in a hollow shit. So from there, it just kept on going. And then, like, us leading up to the battle, he was saying wild shit to me, bro.

Like, and I'm going to believe him because he's a believable character. Because he's done it before. Yeah, correct. And that's why I'm saying he's a believable character because he's demonstrated. He's not one of the people to just talk. He put demos down. He put demos down. He was doing it.

demo so well y'all was in the um there's a reality show that m&in house shit too we had like a crazy like we had a total slaughter like thing go on over there to where we was in the same house and like when i first got there like he was he was like trying to like press lines on like me daylight everybody that came from out of time because he was in brooklyn and he was like excited about and i and you know i ended up bringing like my my boy brought up somebody in the crib like from Brooklyn who's like a real who's a dude out there who's a real dude out there and everything was like oh no we're cool and like nah all right just rap but it was still tension right but they knew it was just all right we're just gonna rap and none of this shit so then that shit ended and then he he fired

on uh serious jokes right so all that happened and i just for me when it started is i just looked at it Like, man, he's fucking a game up, bro. Like, I know I body him. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to say all this shit to him. But to me, it was just an angle. Like, I was looking at it like from battle rap. Like, I was like, this is a good angle.

So you actually went there. It's like, I'm going to do it. No, no. No. And that's what everybody thinks till this day. And it's like, if it was that, I would just say it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would just be like, yeah, yeah, I came there to do what I did.

But really, I was talking myself into it in the beginning. weeks before that, I was just like, man, if he does some, if he just starts acting like he going like do some in his battle, I'm firing on him first. I already in my head. So basically you, yeah, you know, but hold on. Premeditated. You kind of went there on that. Yeah, but this is the thing, though. That was like two weeks out. Like a week out. Like there was, there was a connection established from both sides. And it was just like, nah, man, like, you know, chill to that. So I went back into the bar mode where I wasn't thinking about that. So like, it was erased. Like, I was like, he's just talking. And like I just started taking it like all the Twitter shit he did where he was like, I'm going to slap you when I see you.

I'm going to do all this shit. We're going to get more views that way. And he's just saying all the shit. This fool made a drawing. He did a drawing. He did a drawing. Well, drawing of a person with a turban and his tooth knocked out. And it looked like me.

Like, and he's just like saying that he going to knock me out again. He drew the shit. He's like, look what I've been drawing. Like when he should be writing bars, he was doing this. So to me, I was like, oh, like he really. Trying to make me like a victim type of thing. And something to keep in perspective, you got that a lot of. of people don't like kind of overlook about the situation.

I'm in the middle of this whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm the motherfucker that booked it. You feel me? So I'm like putting out fires on both sides. This dude, like, not only is he like one of my best friends, like closest people to me, but like, you know, we work together. You feel, we, every 80% of the battles he's done in his career, I've personally booked

and been a part of. Math, math is like my idol in this shit. He was like my favorite battler. But how to, how to be. But how true was it when he was like, I think disaster was going through some shit and he was depressed. He didn't have no money. He was broke. No, he was a broke rapper.

I think, like, I mean, I think, I mean, at the time, like, I was going through some shit, but that had nothing to do with it. You know what I mean? Like, and not at the time of the battle. It's when he puts that in the context when we were on the show. The show happened way before the battle. It was like a year before. That year before, I was doing really bad. You know what I'm saying?

Like, shit was fucked up. You know, I was in debt. I was dealing with. all types of shit. You know, I got came up out of that, you know what I mean? But at the time I was going through that and he was like making fun of it. That was part of the reason why I was easy to fire on him because he thought that shit was funny. You know what I'm saying? Like he thinks that shit is funny. Like it's not funny. So like in my mind, like I've always had that there, but it's like now I don't think about that as something that, you know what I'm saying?

Like affected me like that. You know what I mean? Like to me, it's something that you come out of and it's part of the struggle. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh yeah, you're broke and you don't have money like, no shit. I ain't have no fucking money. and I was trying to get it like you are and everybody goes through it like that at a certain point but that in itself is not he tried to make it like that was the reason and then they kept on coming up with different theories

like they was saying his third round was the reason I hit him and then they was saying like all types of other shit so like I couldn't figure they were saying I set him up so first it was I came there to hit him then they were like the third round was so crazy that dudes couldn't take all that shit he said to him so he fired on him no but it didn't bother me

and I admitted that I told people I was like yo it bothered me that he said that because he thinks that's funny. So I was just, if anybody would have think that's funny saying it to anybody else, I would be like, yo, you're corny. Like, why are you making fun to this person? So it was just something that bothered me. I take a big objection. I take a big objection to the, to anybody saying to set up, I had to go on Vlad. I brought Vlad to my hood over to Clemson Street and talked about that shit on Vlad TV. Because like at the end of the day, what that implies that is that if I book you for a battle, you're not safe or there was some kind

and the fairies other intention. Like, they're static, whatever they had going on. That wasn't even the reason why I wasn't trying to capitalize off of that and book that battle. I'm looking at two of the greatest of all time. Math Hoffa literally. They're stupid for booking us. They're fucking idiots.

All of them. Because like, yeah, they are. Because at the end of the day, what they all did, especially like what Organic did, which shouts out to Organic again, this is not a shot at him, the king of the dot owner. They put together this battle that they knew was volatile. pile as fuck. They knew this battle had potential to go left. When it did, they all jumped out of the hot

water and was like, you did it. It's all you. It's like, nah. You're part of it too. Y'all set it up. We still talking about it to this day and you gained a fan right now from those moments. That shit was kind of almost like... It's legendary hip-hop. That shit is legendary

shit and like they should have did that shit. I mean, that's the first time someone says some positive about it. That's crazy. You're the first person that says some positive about it. If you want a whole, Don't say positive shit. If you want to hold somebody accountable, hold me accountable because I'm the one that look that shit.

I'm saying y'all could have waited. Y'all could have even told us, oh, you know what? Y'all, it's really hot right now. We're going to set it up at a different time. So you knew my whole thing is once it happened, everybody acted surprised. He read like they was like, how dare you like you? You just what? How did this happen?

You stupid motherfuckers, he was drawing pictures of knocking me out. I was talking shit. He was talking shit. Everybody was talking shit. But you didn't go there. The fans, dog, the fans were just like egging both sides. You didn't go there that day with the intention of doing that, though. No, that's what people need to understand.

And Matt didn't either. Math, Matt, but Matt thinks I did. He thinks I set him up. One thing I did, I did want you to clarify is you coming back to Los Angeles. Because he was like, I think he went back to Los Angeles kind of changed his identity, start hanging with Crips, start hanging with other motherfuckers. And I think he started, you know, I'm staying sticking his chest out. You feel?

me like and it wasn't like I didn't get the like full like story on that because you know or the or the backstory on that like when you came back and you start there's a back story to it started hanging with grips there's a back story to it started then I mean it's not explained yeah yeah yeah it's a great area there right right right so I I need to you know I wanted to know from you it's a grape area it's definitely like gang politics I definitely don't want to get into it I don't think it's my position to you know what I'm saying like as who I am like I know like coming up in L.A. What I've survived like being around what I what I've been around like I've just been affiliated with shit my whole life I've been around the gang shit my whole life so I know now like

even though I went through my you know my lessons learning shit you know I'm saying like I know now what type of business to talk about that's my shit my battle rap shit and what they want to hear me talk about they don't want to hear me talk about this shit you know I'm saying yeah like if I sit here and start you know Yeah, Grape Street and da-da-da-da. I'm going to sound like one of those dudes that's trying to get clout off it, and I'm not. For me, like, the whole way the thing happened,

it was the best scenario because we both ended up, like, the reason why me and math even kept falling back into it was because the fans would be like, da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, you scared or are you scared? And they would egg shit from both sides, and then both of us wouldn't be having shit going on. Like, we'd be both seeing other people get it, crack it. You can't escape it.

And it was like for us, I feel like for him too, because I understand it. It's like when you don't, when you ain't got your shit fully there, the drama and the beef seemed like the most accessible thing to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, because you like, I'm not busy doing something over here. And I'm not throwing that as a shot at him because I felt the same way at the time. But once you, like he developed into some crazy shit. Like his, he's killing the game. Matt is killing shit right now. So when you look at that, when you look at that, it's the fact that we both, that it kind of died out and didn't keep escalating is why we both were able to continue succeeding in becoming successful. Like I look at math, what he did, even though people won't believe this, and I've said it before, I'm low-key proud of him because he didn't, he didn't like get sucked into the shit and let it destroy him like it would have to other people.

And it kind of did for a while, in my opinion. I think it took them a while to get over this shit. You know what I'm saying? And like, at the end of the day, as battle rappers, we think that what we do doesn't influence people and it looks cool. Like, we think that, like, fighting and all that shit looks cool. And I'm seeing it now with the other battlers. When they get into fights at these events and there's all this beef, it looks crazy online. Like, you start talking and people just start calling you a clown for it.

And me and math ended up looking stupid. Like, we both ended up looking stupid. dumb in that situation until we both came out of it and i did my own thing started this league did my own shit he started his podcast we get nothing but positive feedback from people yeah so if i'm to hold on i'm gonna let you i'm gonna let you get in so if i'm to fall back into talking about this type of shit i feel like it would just reignite the situation to where it would become negative for both of us you know i'm saying yeah i i felt like that they'll with those situations okay they were monumental. I felt like, okay, you know what I'm saying? It made me watch, like I said,

it brought me to everything else. And then it started making me a fan of different guys I didn't know, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, it is legends in here. And then I even know my boy Jay Mills, like, I'll know he's a, you know, he's done his thing, you know, I love Jay. That even made, that even made me go back to go see like how much of a legend he is. Yeah, yeah. He's one of the guys. He's one of the guys. I'm like, damn. But what me, what, But I was like, this is the straw, you know what I'm saying? That was it. You know what I'm saying?

When the daylight shit, when I watched that shit and all of, what daylight shit? Like daylight. Daylight fighting. You and, I guess you and Daylight got into a fight or whatever the case. Maybe you're showing your hands, he talking in the car. I'm like, this is it. You know what I'm saying? This is where you niggas need to draw the line.

And I was like, this shit just do look whack. I was like, I'm like, that shit. I'm not trying to open up all that. It's just like, look, look. that's the point is that that shit made me look so bad dog I did not get anything good from it neither did anyone around me it ruined opportunities

for all my people that shit fucking it made it's a topic that bothers me because nothing good came from it for anybody you know what I'm saying but probably the people that got views off the fucking video you know I'm saying as far as anything else

we all had to deal with all types a bullshit. He had to deal with people telling him I punched him and I had to deal with crazy-ass shit. Like I had to deal with just as much as abusive shit that made me want to fight again. This dude, this dude, math, posted disastrous phone number on

the Instagram like the next day or whatever. Like he just screenshot it a text combo or whatever and it just didn't blow out the number. I still forgot that one, man. This fool's phone was blowing up. I'm saying like no, no, no, no. No. To the

point where I'm getting threats and people think that I'm a part of the shit. I'm getting fucking death threats from yo this is, yo this is um Jay Bone from 195 all of it was fake ass fans. It's all random New Yorkers.

But it was really annoying having my number online because till this day to this day I get phone calls from I don't answer my phone at all. I don't even look at my phone anymore because half of the calls till this day I get like three of them two or three of them a day from people who want to talk. It's not even hate or anything.

It's just people that see the number and they're just like, yo, you know, just say something. Like, yo, what's up? Like, and I just know if I say something, it's going to be a whole thousand paragraphs so I can't say nothing. And I brought those situations up because I was wondering like. Those are the biggest controversial moments. Those are controversial moments, but it's like, it's like, you know what I'm saying? What's fueling the fire?

And I was like, it's just. not only the fan, but I was asking, I'm asking to telling myself, is there frustration there because there's not a lot of money there? Niggas ain't getting paid a lot at the time. And niggas is frustrated and kind of broke and taking it out on each other. At that time, absolutely that's a part of it. Yeah, because if you don't have big opportunities, beef is like the main priority. Nobody, and that's why being a gangster, like, is different.

And people have to respect why it's different from being a severe. that gets into beefs randomly and someone who's a gangster that lives his life where he has to look over his shoulder every single day and have to deal with the repercussions of that fucking life. And me as a normal human being, when

I'm happy, I don't want problems. Now, if you catch me on a time where I'm in debt, everything's fucked up for me. I'm going to go the 100 with you. Because at that point, I have nothing to lose. I don't give a fuck. I'm letting all my frustrations out. And that's not mutually exclusive to battle wrap. That's

nature in general, but that's a really good observation, because think about this, right? Like, for one battle, that you're essentially wrapping the same amount of material as someone would make for an entire album. You feel me? Like, like, each round is five minutes. It's like hundreds of bars. 100%. Hundreds of bars, right?

So at the time, like, just using that battle as an example, these fools getting paid like five bands for that shit. To do genius work, by the way. And that runs out fast. Genius work. Five bands. You know how quick five bands go, that ain't shit. Now the game's different. Nowadays, battle rappers getting 25, 50, 100 pieces, 4-1 battle. Rappers on Disaster's caliber getting paid like that. You feel me, Gichi Gotti's caliber getting paid like that. At the time, though, you talk in 2014, yeah, it was a different game. And of course, that level, you know, I know some people might be hearing like, oh, these guys are getting paid $5,000 and complaining about it.

but like that's your livelihood and that's all you're getting. And you can't do 30 battles. You know, it's not like putting, it's not like, look at rappers, look at like Ralphie the Plug puts out a different song every day. You can't do a different battle every day and capitalize off of it. To reiterate on that, too, like you could tell because I seen a, the last time I seen math speak on this situation that we dealt with, you know what I'm saying.

It just made so much sense to me. It's like the shit that I always believed. You know what I'm saying? Some dude was interviewing him in the car. You know what I'm saying? I forgot his name. But he was interviewing him in the car and he brought the situation back up. And Math was like, oh, I'm over that shit.

Like da-da-da-da-da-da. Like, and you can tell why. You know what I'm saying? A, one thing he said in it, which he took a shot at me, but I don't care. But he's just like he don't got nothing going on. I'm over it. And that's what made the most fucking sense to me. He's not in his face.

Because when you're up and somebody else is down, it's no longer worth it for you. But he thought I was just down. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know if now that I'm up, he feels the type of way again. But I'm just telling you like, y'all both up, though. No, exactly. I'm just joking. But at the end of the day, this runs parallel with what we're saying is because I was thinking that in the moment I've seen him say this shit.

I was like, damn, he's really grown out of it. But I was like, man, if it wasn't. for his success in what he's doing, he would have never grown out of that. He would have stayed in the toxic environment where people are fucking with him every day, telling him, hey, dog, you need to do something about that shit that happened in L.A., and he'll always deal with that. And, like, fans going to get the most out of it, and we not. Like, that's really, at the end of the day, we get fucked up for the entertainment of others.

You know what I'm saying? We just got to do you, you know what I mean? At any point, did you, you know what I'm saying, did he give you motivation? You know what I'm saying? You seeing him doing his thing and him reaching heights. I was just happy for him He was happy for him Yeah, because I was like

He's gonna leave me the fuck alone Did that make you do this? No, no, no, I had nothing No, we were, I've been over this shit for a while Dog, we almost, me and him almost fought again On some like real I was down to do that Like we set up a whole thing

Where we was gonna do a pay per view thing And we was gonna get paid the money That we wanted to get paid We was getting paid nice Like a real good amount of money To go out there and fuck each other up In front of the world like You know what I'm saying

So like we both agreed to it And we were both down we started training i know he started i did too as far as i trained for like three weeks they didn't come through with the fucking money multiple and that's why it kept multiple it was like two times that happened and that's kind of why it kept coming back and over the years it feels like it's a more recent thing but dog you want me to tell you when it happened you want to take a guess how long this has been last year last year what no i'm talking about the fight like when when when we battled and and and the thing happened when i when i swung on them i'm sorry we're

You already said that. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, it's literally almost been a decade, dog. Yeah. Like, nine years. We're coming up on nine years. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's enough for anybody to have let some shit die. Like, battle rap, like, after a month, people forget shit.

It's just, they want to keep waking it up. That shit is not dying. Yeah, I know. It's not when you bringing it up on here. The goddamn right. But I'm not bringing it up in the negative life. No, no, no. I mean, you want to understand it.

It's just giving you a chance to actually clear the air. And it's, yeah, it's clear the air. And then other people that actually want to battle rapper, kids are wanting to get in battle rap. Like, because now it's like, you're looking at that, what it's doing? Like, now it's like, damn, how is battle rap lucrative? You know what I'm saying? Maybe I want to go to, like, the traditional route.

Like, what is battle rap doing over here? You feel me? Like, they're doing podcasts over here. Like, it's so many other avenues now, you feel me? Right. And just by looking at that and then doing your research and then seeing where you at right now, you feel me? Like, that's sick.

You feel me? That's a positive on that shit. Yeah, it is. And to clarify on what you ask, like, us doing this podcast had nothing to do with math, like, math doing incredible. Yeah, yeah. But, like, you got to understand. Yeah, I didn't do this to, like, try to compete with him.

I'll be the first to admit, like, what he does is his own special thing and it's incredible. I'm not trying to compete with it. I can't fuck with it. No, this is very different. What we do is completely different, and he's killing it. But, but, like, you know what I'm? Did an interview with Adam, like, four or five years ago that hit a Millie was, like, very successful. People been asking him for years to do something.

Yeah, like this was kind of something. They've been on his line about it. Me, I have an extensive history of podcasting. People been trying to push my line to do that. And really, what we brought this together was it's a media partnership for our company, our battle league GTX. Like no jumper was initially our media partner. And then it kind of evolved into being a podcast. So it really like had nothing to do with it. But I will say what math does continues to to create more opportunities. Yeah, elevates the culture as a whole

and creates more opportunities for people like you said to be seen battle rappers because now battle rap could either be the destination you could just be a battle rapper forever or you could parlay that and to like look at conceited hitman holla all these dudes, Charlie Clips

are on while and out. You feel me? You have a Sharon. They all have their own career on whiling out. You got dudes like Dumpfounded. He became a big, like notable actor And on this when I see you And on this when I'm looking at it When I'm looking at you guys

I want your take now I want your take on the new battle rapper or what happened in that fucking battle Or what you should do with this motherfucker did wrong Or this and that and the other Like you motherfuckers is legends I want you to tell me even though y'all are sitting here You know what I'm saying interviewing different motherfuckers

But still I want your take I want to see what's going on You know what I'm saying Because we're in a podcast It's natural conversation If y'all come on at the end of the day, Nick, we're talking about this shit. Let's do it.

If we can air the battles on here, it would be a lot easier to do that too. We would like to be able to. Hell, yeah. And that's the way there's no jumper news, you feel me? Like battle rap news type of thing? The news is here.

Hey, Adam, I'm about to talk you about some shit, man. We definitely need to talk about that. If we could get the, if we could get the battle itself, we get the content for it on here, and it's our content. Obviously, we could do the partnership like that. And then we could air it here.

and then we could comment on it live and talk about the new guy and the like what you're saying like you want us to comment on the shit like what i want to hear your point of view yeah you yeah i want to hear your point of view i want to hear your point of view i want to hear of point of view we with all them activities yeah i wanted to bring something up to you actually that uh that's kind of like a random coincidence but since we're coming on this show and based on the hat that you got on you might find this interesting our event we got a big event this dude battling gichigati a week from friday right events called oarboris And it's actually at a spot called Black and Gold on Vermont in 77. Oh my God. So we're in your section, right near your section.

Be careful, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's good. It's good. It's good. You don't look this out until after the event, man. He's going to make none of the people show up to the shit. Oh, no, show up to that shit.

Show the fuck up and show support. All the tourist friends are like we ain't coming now. I always wanted to see that shit live too. And I want to see it live now, too. Like, that's crazy, bro. You feel me? You know where it's at. Gigi got it.

think you about to hang can you hang he's incredible can you hang though come in because this get crazy this one of the motherfuckers that that one of the only motherfuckers that i you know what i'm saying that i that i that i've looked at you know what i saying and i see and he's crazy yeah it's crazy it's big for the west coast in general he don't know i mean and it's kind of like he's like the counterpart man like what i can't do he does and what he can't do i do like it's crazy like we both like I've always looked at it we like 50 and em at a west coast type of thing like we both have that like that's a great comparison it is we both are like that I never thought of that that's a brilliant comparison

he believes the same shit too it's just it's we're two separate lades but we're just so incredible at what we do and you can't even almost like draw a line between it it's both needed you know what I'm saying like that's why that dynamic was so fucking crazy so I feel like the battle's gonna be nuts as hell because you know, Gichi, man, he's been holding it down for so long. And, you know, I have too. And for the longest, I felt like I couldn't take a break because there was nobody to like do what I did. And then out of nowhere, somebody like him popped up and Rom Nitty and Danny Myers, but you got Gichi at like the forefront of that shit. And he's just, I feel like people, he's getting the same hate that

I got when people like just want to see him lose because he's been winning so much. You I mean. So like I might have the opportunity with that fucking with him on some, you know, the fans might want to see him lose shit, but also he's built such a good repertoire with the fans that that might work against me too because if he really like harnesses his shit, which I don't even believe he's been off like people are saying he's been, you know what I mean? I believe that he's just not body people like he used to. And because the people that he's battling, he's inspiring them enough to where they could hang and people are like, oh, the other guy beat you. Well, yeah. It's like it's like it's like it's like the the Michael Jordan syndrome.

You feel me? Like if a, you know, let's say I'm playing against the Bulls in 96. If I put up 20 points, you feel me and have a dope game, that's going to look like I put up 40 points because you feel me like it's at that cat. Yeah. You just was there. You was sticking with him. So that's enough for the people. Yeah. And I feel like that's what's. If I make it close, it's a win for me. Yeah. You feel me? And like Gitchie is like somebody that. I super respect and we've always had nothing but respect for each other. I always watch as battles.

I've always supported Gichi and it's been likewise with him and it's always been just good vibes with him. So I feel like this battle ain't going to be fake either. Like we we're going to be like we really respect each other. People think that that causes for weaker battles. And it doesn't. It's kind of like what they say in the league too. You know, the older

players like, hey, we don't practice and we don't do shit with motherfuckers off-season. We don't talk. Right. Nothing. It's all competition until I'm out the league. Right. You feel him? And then if you are talking to a motherfucker like, you motherfuckers ain't competitive. You're all some bitches. Y'all don't know what's going on. And it kind of kind of take the credibility off a motherfucker. That's what motherfuckers be doing. That's the older people though,

like the older generation, I would say. I think that y'all know you both have this internal awareness of what this means for the culture and particularly because both of y'all like, you were the first face of the West Coast in this. entire thing. You know what I mean? And he's like the current face of the West Coast for the past several years and you kind of superseded it and went like on an international level, whatever. But what this means for L.A., there's only so many matchups that are of this caliber that could even exist. This is the type of matchup that we could do again. Like we could do a Gichi disaster part two. And even it's actually the type of matchup, believe it or not, that could become a

trilogy one. And you can't fuck up, neither one of y'all. Like you can't. You can not fuck up. Like y'all both got to... I mean, if it's back to back, you can't go trilogy. Yeah, I mean... If somebody back to back you... No, it wouldn't be back to back.

I'm saying, like, if we battle now... If you win twice... If you win twice, yeah, if you back to back, you... Nah, it's over. Can't go trilogy. You can't get one. To be honest, I think this is going to be one of them things, and this is just my little prediction, that it's not going to have a winner.

It's going to be very contentious. A lot of people are going to say Gitchie won. A lot of people's been to say Diz won. there's not going to be like a general consensus on this, especially because they got such different styles. Yeah. You feel me on that? Yeah, because it's almost like,

like no matter what I'm going to do in this battle, he's going to have his fans that he's built for himself. You know what I'm saying? Even if he's done that and he's earned that. And this is not to take, it's not a shot at him. But he's earned, he's, when people, people be like, yo, this guy has fans that gas him for nothing, or they'd be like he got

dick riders. It's usually applies to the new people that have him put in work to have new booty fans with them. Yeah. Someone like, Gichi has earned it, dog. Like, he earned, he basically has done so much work that he's created fans that don't give a fuck what you're going to do. Do you understand?

But he didn't do that from just having dick riders overnight. He did that bless you back there. he did that from she's about to give us that 17 plus two she about to COVID 22 come all Riley not

what was that going to say though what was that saying before fans that going dick right on GP whooomty won't right so like he he basically

has built a repertoire that's real to where I'm not going to sway everybody so you think his fans giving him an edge but I feel like

it goes both ways I feel like you have those type of fans too I'm not even I'm not trying to play this It's like he has some advantage on me.

I'm saying that's going to work in his favor. That you feel me like... They don't give a fuck way he's going to talk about. In other countries. I'm a fan. I don't give a fuck what he's talking about either. But I just want to see, you know what I'm like, damn, you're going to hang?

I want to know. Like, are you confident? I'm confident. I'm confident. It's going this motherfucker. I mean, you'd be from the streets too. I think you'll be able to relate to Gadi. I think a lot of things that he's going to say

you're going to like naturally. You know what I'm saying? You're going to gravitate towards them too in a way because, He's, he made gangbanging popular in battle rack. And he's just, he's, he's, he can, you can honestly say he has no blemishes on his record. He's an authentic fucking person, period, not just gangbanger. He's authentic all around, like in every aspect.

And that's what makes it hard to battle him and what makes my challenge so big that I have to write around that. Like, how do you, how do you destroy a perfect Crip? You don't say it? Like he's, he doesn't have no, no, snoop dog. He doesn't have no blemishes on his thing. He, he ain't got no. He's not out there ratting. He's not doing no fucked up shit.

He don't got homies. He don't take care of. He don't got no stories about him. You ain't, you know what I'm saying? He's not somebody you could talk about in a way like that. You got to work your way around that. You got to be smart. Now, a lot of people, when they battle him, they try to tell him shit like that.

And it looks stupid as fuck to me. And that's why I feel like they're not beating him. And maybe some other people feel like they really beating him because they're doing that. But to me, I just know, like, you can't go up there and tell him, you're not this and you're not that. And you've never done this. It's like, You're going to have to work your way around that.

That should applies to the other people. You know what I'm saying? So Gichi got like a superpower in a battle. He has the card. He has the gangbanging card. Now he has a Klai card. Like that's a super power. But you got so much respect for him.

Let's say there was, let's say there was a blamish on his record. Would you exploit that in this battle? Of course not. And the reason why is because I feel like that would make me look desperate. Like I feel like looking back on my battles when I was younger, when I would be trying to do all that shit like it just looks stupid as fuck now

and remember like when I did the fucking exposed what's his name? And then your cousin with epilepsy I didn't expose no epilepsy shit I'm just saying like you know I caught dude buying bars from another battle oh yeah yeah right like and I found out the dude

he's buying the bars off I'm talking about this shit was so corny dog let me just tell you can't make this shit up this dude was sending him messages like all right So for an extra four bars, if I pay pal you like $40, like, da-da-da-da. He's like, tell us who it is. Like the dude, Arcane and Kostic, we know.

People already know. I exposed them, right? So like, I exposed this dude, right? I came to the battle with the screenshots in case the motherfuckers were like, you lie. Printed out. In case they would be like, you lying. I printed out their conversation, their Facebook conversation with all the shit on it talking about how much he's going to get paid for what bars and send me more bars and I'll

send you this and all this shit, right? This full roll to the battle with Drake and pulled it 500 pieces of paper with screenshots on it. And I pulled it out in front of the whole crowd. He's Canadian, right? And I did it in Canada. In Toronto. Which, again, this makes perfect sense because if I'm battling Gichi in front of our people, what would

it make sense to say some stupid shit like that, right? Because I battled this dude in front of his people in Canada. And they all looked at the papers as if they seen a fucking ghost or some. Oh, no, we don't see nothing. going on like dog i'm sitting over here trying to tell him like this guy is a fucking fraud like you know what's saying it it wasn't working dog it just didn't work and when you look back on it

i'm like i why do i should have just wrapped the whole fucking battle and just brought it up as a random bar because then motherfuckers didn't care anyways now if i would have did it to him in l.a would have been a whole different fucking story he would have probably been carried out the building any other city in new york they would have stomped them out yeah so my my other thing is I have to touch it because it made me feel fucked up too. Just looking at the years back, even though it's now, it's not recent. I looked at the years back. When my man pulled out that notepad.

Oh, shit. Oh. I'm like, damn, you broke my heart too. Yeah. I'm like, nigga. I almost got mad at you for not saying, hey. I was saying some shit. I don't, don't do that.

Dog, I was. Don't do it. Dog, I was. You couldn't see me? Don't do it, bro. I was. Were you a- Hold on?

What's crazy about what he's saying? That's what you were you a cannabis fan? I was a cannabis fan. He fucked LL. Koojay up. All that shit is dope. Yeah. No, but listen, though.

That shit is done. What's crazy about what you're saying is if you look close at the footage when he asked this dude for the notepad and he's like, yo, bring me the notebook. I look at him and I'm like, don't do it. I literally start telling him, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. And you can see me like all my lips. I'm like, don't do it. No, no. And then he goes, I'm like, is he really doing it? Because he said he wanted his notepad. Like I heard him say, yo, grab me my notepad, son, like some shit like that. I turned around. I'm like, what did he just say? Like, please don't tell me. He's about to read the shit off the page because my, one of my heroes is about to die in front of me right now. New York crumbled like. Yeah. If it was third round, it would have been better. He did it in the fact of the statute of liberty shed a tear.

Bro, New York definitely shed a fucking tear. That shit was crying. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, bro, that shit was so fucked up. It kind of upsets me the way that fucking thing ended, man. Because, like, I really do love cannabis, man. And I feel like he was going through a lot of shit in the circumstance that he was in. He might have not been fit to battle.

And he just wasn't ready to get in the ring with me anyways. But just he walked into the wrong shit, man. And I thought he was. more ready. I didn't know. It's not like I set him up, dog. I was terrified of him. When I wrote, that's why my bars are so crazy. And it is because when I was writing, like, you got to understand, too, like this is 2011. This is still in the beginning of this era. Like, it's not too far off from when he was running shit. It's only a decade away. Like, I'm like, dog, I'm in the middle of real hip hop right now. Like, this is the shit. The whole world's going to see me. And everything that I've worked for

that I'm supposedly this kid from Lebanon who came out here in battles. And I'm, all this shit. Like it's about to be decimated and this guy is about to show me that he's the original thing and we're fake rappers. And in my head, I was just like, we're probably not the real thing. These are the real lyricists, you know what I'm saying? Until I just started realizing that they all fucking bleed and, you know, 10 years later, I'll tell you we the real motherfuckers. Yeah. Not nobody in the industry. But, you know, we got love for all of them. We love the music. But, you know, when it comes to this rapping, rapping shit, like when you strip away the beats and the DJs and the people helping you out and the producers

and the engineers and it's just your voice not a lot of people could do this dog like that day on that's what happened. You were stamped. Yeah that was a big, and you know what's crazy? Your legacy is there. You can do whatever you can sock three more people. That happened to late. Yeah, it was over.

I got banned for that too. Even if you're doing now like the legacy is there from that shit that day on. That's crazy. But you want to know some shit is that like it's crazy to places that my legacy got solidified after that battle because I remember one of the most places ever that interacted with me after that fucking battle was when I touched down in London, dog. I was going to say the UK off top.

It was kind of unreal. Like I was like low-key Drake for like a couple years over there. Like I was just everywhere I went in London, it was just like, yo man's battled cannabis. Yo, what's going on, bruff? I'm just like, oh shit. Like that, da, da, no. Like, it was every corner I hit. It got to the point where people would look at me, be like this.

I'll be like, yeah, cannabis. Like, I just would know what they about to say to me. They're like, yeah, cannabis is probably. Like, they just, they such fans of him and he grew such a crazy fan base over there that they actually watched that. So I feel like I got a lot of fucking, you know, I got a lot of shine from that from from cannabis. A lot of overseas fans. It's crazy, man. He gave me a big chunk of my international fan base in the beginning.

And that's the thing that people don't fully give that the other battle rappers don't want to acknowledge about Diz, is that the moves that he's made is what elevated the overall landscape of the entire culture. Like when he battled cannabis, nobody, there had never been someone with like a platinum plaque that's been in the mainstream that has that level of notoriety outside of battle rap, step into that space and just bring it to a whole new audience. Buster Rhymes is talking about it, Swiss beats, all these, everybody in the world of hip hop is commenting on it. It's the first thing to ever be a trending topic on Twitter that moment. And then repeating the same thing

when we book Cassidy and he battled Cassidy two years later. Before we even got there so like 2000, because that was the second time Drake showed up when I battled that dude that ghost wrote and all that shit, right? Yeah. That a ghost writer. But the first time when Drake came and hosted my battle in 2011.

Was 2011 during when Take Care was dropping. He's been a battle rap fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. This was during his, like, I didn't know that. This was during his like explosion, right?

And you got to know something that people don't realize. They just look at it. Maybe like he just hosted my battle. But at the time that happened between me and DNA, me and DNA was such a monumental battle because of that end, the fucking way we wrapped in it, that it brought in so many new fans and eyes that the whole scene started benefiting from it, but they didn't know why.

They were just, everything started growing way more rapidly and shit started coming in, sponsors and all this shit. Now, everybody was thinking in their head that this is just how shit's moving. But they don't look back on those moments when before that day, there wasn't really

shit going on in battle wrap. Like, we was still super underground. You know what I'm saying? That was really the moment that like kind of just started bringing it. And then from there, it just never stopped. Two years later, we were doing the total slaughter shit with slaughterhouse and shady records. Really, the only, the only moment like that that you weren't a part of is the loaded

Lux, you're going to get this work. And that's the only, like the only moment in battle rap that pushed, huge moment, that pushed the culture, the entirety of the culture forward was that. That's the only one. And what's crazy about that is what people don't realize is that the reason why Lux and Mook came back had a lot to do with me. because well it's me and DNA I'm not going to take full credit but because of that battle that I'm talking about which this runs exactly into what I was saying mook and Lux were really hard

to book bro they did not want to battle so all those years everybody was trying to get them the battle and they just wouldn't fucking battle um once me and DNA happened and Drake came it kind of went on Lux's radar you know what I'm saying like now he's seen that like battle rap was really fucking popping because before that shit wasn't big enough for him in his head shit was a big enough for him which he kind of had the right to feel that way because lux is a pioneer and what he was doing was really huge before that so he felt like there was nothing worth it in it for him and you seen after that happen him come back everyone just it just so i feel like i was that wave was created from that moment there was a huge wave created from that moment that people

don't like to give credit to when motherfuckers want to think that drake just popped up now with the whole you are. And I get it because that's probably when a lot of y'all first seen Drake involved in battle rap. But like this is like 2011. He had just put out the forever song, the joint with Wayne and Kanye, you feel me, and Eminem. That had just come out when this battle. As a battle rapper, do you feel like Drake has a lot of battle implements in there in his, in his rap songs and shit? Yeah, you can tell. So look, check this out. So like after he came to that battle, it literally wasn't, I don't know, within that year he was disincommon. Like, within that year, they were going at it.

Like, he was starting to jump in the shit and like, you've seen him starting to throw shit on records and come at people. And I feel like a lot of it was from him coming around battle rap and getting hype and being like, man, I want to diss people. And he's such a good writer. And it's almost like these niggas is human. Like he said, you bleed. He has star power.

I've seen him and him. I'm going to do it. Look. And not only that. that he has star power that nobody has and he's an incredible writer so like why wouldn't he want to you know i know drake wants to battle i know it in my like i know he would do a battle but he'd just have to be perfect for him in his scenario he for show he for show wants to he would kill it but to be real with you he would fucking body some shit people have no idea like he's actually such a good

writer that he's one of the guys you actually would appreciate on a second and third watchback i'm gonna take it further expand on your question even further he straight up said to me when I chopped it up with them one time. Like he brought me to, me and the homie organic and gully, uh, to his concert series, which was called Drake versus Lil Wayne or Lil Wayne versus Drake.

He said, we based this entire concert series as like a tribute to battle rap. Like that's how much he's influenced by. And that was back in 200014. Now he invests in battle rap. I don't know if he personally does, but he's like involved in these events like somehow. He did his birthday party.

I mean that, that for sure. You know what I'm saying? But, but, yeah. in his rap style to also answer your question. Yeah, like he battled a, he went at Common, which was super overlooked,

and he did it in a really surgical crazy way. And then even- Subliminal surgical type of shit. Yeah, he didn't say his name or nothing, you feel me, like, and did it really well. And then the motherfucker charted with the disc track. How many people have done that? That's not, that's very,

I think he was going to battle Moop. Do you guys think he was? He was. He guys, like the best in it. I mean, Mook for me is like one of those guys. I love Moop. Yeah, he's, he'll always be like, one of my favorites because, you know, Mook is, he's like a Jordan logo type of shit. Like,

he's the, he's, obviously right now, like, there's just so much talent in this shit that he's going to get overlooked, do I'm saying? And that happens a lot with a lot of our legends, you know what I'm saying? And people do count him out of shit. And it's fucking crazy to me, because I think, I think like, again, this is back on evolution and talking about my Drake shit and how it created a wave that nobody appreciates. He created a wave back then. Now, we can't see the wave because digitally you're not going to be able to go back and just see this fucking wave online you know what I'm saying but you got to know if you were there and you were in it you got to know that there was a period of time where that was the guy and you looked at his shit and he was

like he's out there smoking people like he was already a star before pretty much we all were like everybody in battle rap minus Rex Reed and like looks I don't know like mook was like the first real star in battle rap so he's the original guy jerry west fucking jordan i don't know what would you what would you what would you what would you what would you tell a kid that's coming in here you know what i'm saying just battle rapping what would you tell them like like explain to him how would you keep your your legendary status and make this shit lucrative for you at the same time to be honest with you that's you're asking some brad like there's a reason why like why i made the MVP comment to you at the beginning. You good at this motherfucker.

Like, all right, fuck you, man. Look, I'll say this. Off rip, you just got to get in the game. Like, it's having those type of delusions of grandeur when you brand new, you feel me? Like, it's not even going to be who of you.

You got to, you got to just get in there and be willing to fucking catch bodies. It ain't even about, like, fuck preserving your legendary status. You got to create that. You got to create your legacy. You got to do that by putting your best foot forward every single time you step into it. Half measures of value, nothing. You got to go on 10 at all times and not be afraid and not have an ego. And at a certain point, you're going to realize,

like, look, as someone, people say that I'm one of the premier scouts of talent and curators of events in battle rap history. I could tell if you have what it takes to be a superstar battle rapper the first time I see you rap. And it's not like, no matter how much you improve, let's say you fuck, like I have people that I've discovered that couldn't get through four or five bars without choking, but I knew they had star power. I knew they were like my boy Saint. Youngster I discovered who's one of the top dudes nowadays. Like he's huge up and comer in the game shots to the homie saint. He could not get through four bars.

He was 16 years old. He was super nervous. Now he's crazy. Now he's amazing. But I knew. And like they say, it ain't on you. It in you. Pause.

But you feel me like, if you got it? But how do you stay lucrative and make the money? The thing is like the money, let me tell you something, man. As far as this topic goes, man, first of all, like for the people coming in, they don't have legendary status. So this is addressed to the people that are already legends. And there is no real formula in battle wrap to do that. Like the main people that came into this, like the MOOCs and the Lug. and me or whoever you want to name Hollow.

There's tons of names, right? There's like, like they're almost like forefathers now that are like grandfathered into this battle rap shit, right? I don't think anybody's going to ever be able to recreate that. You can't. It's almost like recreating like, you're just not going to be able to do it.

So what people are doing today, they're just going to have to move on their own path and to keep it lucrative. What they're going to have to do is build their brand not give it out and actually focus like basically IP you know what I'm saying like just like the music industry publishing um sponsors you know the the the revenues in battle rap come in seven eights and nines they're not like other things like where you could only get money out of one or two things but the thing is with battle rappers is they like to just get their one or two fucking points of revenue and

just go home because they think that that's pretty much where it's at usually that single point of revenue is a big chunk so it just looks so enticing that you forget about the rest of it so you're just like oh look just i'm getting the bag that's it some people be like yo i want the bag but i want a percentage off this you know i mean and then some people now we're training them to think like nah there's a lot more avenues to this and that's how you need to start thinking now you can't be like that if you just coming into it because if you just coming into it you got to put in the fucking work that's necessary to get you there. My advice to the people coming into this is every paycheck you get is going to crush your

talent even more. If you're in this because you're coming to get money, you are not going to get far because when we started, what pushed us to this point is not getting the money. So what drives a battle rapper is literally starving in the beginning. You have to. You got to get your name up. That's what I was saying. Yeah.

Sacrifice is invested. It really got to hurt you. Like you got to really feel it. If you go into your career without that part in your shit, you ain't gonna be a legend. You ain't gonna last. You look at any of the big guys. Like if you talk at MOOC or one of these dudes, man, they probably got serious struggle stories when it comes to battle rap, catching a fucking train to the middle of nowhere with nothing

in his pocket and fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like that's where everybody came from, standing on the corner and just being like, fuck it bro. I used to battle. Dog, I battled before for Little Caesar's pizza and pretty much a pack of cigarettes. just to battle like that. I hope you won. Over there off Parthenia.

Yeah, I always won. I always won. But, but, like, that's how seriously it was. We battled over, like, a box of pizza before. Like, I'll battle you for that fucking whole pizza. You lose on taking the whole pizza. But what you said, though, before...

Is 100% the answer that you was looking for, really is, like, you know, get your publishing straight. Get your sponsorship on. Like, realize that your intellectual property comes with value. So, publish. as are you guys streaming these battles now?

So we, for our league GTX, we got a distribution deal with Sony Orchard, right? So through Sony Orchard, we're able to get our battle wrap content on all digital streaming platform. When we release that, what that does, and I'm saying this because I want everybody to explore options like this.

This isn't some exclusive game. I want everyone to be eating like this. That's what we want. That generates an ISRC code. You take your ISRC code, RC code, that's what you use to register with your PRO company, which is either ASCAP, BMI, whatever PRO company you use. That's how you register to get your publishing, to get your songwriting credit.

And then that's generating mechanical royalties, residual passive income that's going to come forever. And when one of those battles winds up, let's say they take an audio clip from one of your battles and it winds up being viral on TikTok, boom, all of a sudden, five years from now, you eating on a battle that you got paid, Maybe like, if you a new battle rapper, $500 or $2,500 for or whatever. But now you're making 15 racks off of residual income off of it years later. It's about developing that catalog.

It's about realizing that, hey, this content that's being created, it's not just for the moment. It's here for eternity. I'll be able to find this shit on iTunes. Absolutely. It's a long run game, bro. It's on iTunes right now. It's a long run game. And the short run game is not the bag either.

That's the long run game and the short run game is using, knowing your value, creating your product, being able to explain it to somebody and then getting those sponsors. It's literally knowing that you're a walking billboard. And you need to slap ads onto your shit. Like whatever you smoke in. Yeah,

because a young kid wouldn't know that. They just thinking from there hopping the ring, say some bars. They do. Everybody I've battled, you got to have a sponsor. You got to have a business. I've never,

man, the people I battle never have a sponsor. Everybody out battle, man, they just show up to the battle. I'll be looking at them like, damn, you don't even got a sponsor. I've never went into a battle without one. Like, it's crazy. But with you, because you've been on that hype, and people don't really give you enough credit. I know they do now with the GTX thing, but for your business acumen,

I feel like a lot of it came from like you not getting the bag you wanted for a specific battle. So like, how might not get paid forever? Shit, you want me to wear your hat? You want me to wear your sweatshirt? Whompty, boopty-loom? Getting cash out of all angles. I sold everything. I sold bar space in the middle of a verse. I told this company, look, man, I can't wear a hat for you or a shirt because it's taken. You know, I already got, I'm promoting other companies on my hat and shirt. But I will find some space for you during my verse. I'm going to put the phone number in the fucking verse and give me my money. Got 10 racks out of it. 10 racks out of it. And you used to be, you was involved with the Last King's brand, right? Yeah. This motherfucker wore a last King's hat in a battle with millions of use for free.

So maybe you feel me? You get some residual income for that. He had the 180s. Wait, when did I do that? The 187 hat. Yeah, that's old, though. That's old. Yeah, yeah.

It's just funny. Just like when I was, oh, we chopping the hat. Yeah, that's his hat. You feel me? Yeah, that's crazy.

That's full circle. I wore, I wore that hat for a minute. I wore it in some battles. I wore it. What battle? Do you know where you got that hat? Yeah.

Smokey gave it to. This is my hat. That I gave to Smokey. You inherited. You inherited third generation. Yeah. But yeah. Shout out Tiger.

Shouts to Tyu. Did y'all take on that Icarumba shit? I can if you like. Tiger used to be up in there at the pit, didn't he? He had the famous nobodies. I could see why, you feel me? I can see why that pissed off some Mexican people. Why? I mean, like, I could see why it did.

He's using certain, like, and it did it offend me, and I fuck with Mexicans very heavy, you feel me, my fiance's Latino. Like, I'm deeply entrenched in that culture. My whole hood is from Mexican hood, all that, you feel me? Like, I'm homies with Duno, you feel me? Like, it runs deep. But I could see why using certain cliche imagery when it looks like, like to me, I think it was all in fun. So it's like whatever, you know what I'm saying?

But I could see why people will rub the wrong way because it wasn't like doing it in a cool or slick way. And I also think this shit is kind of weak, to be honest with you. You feel like? What y'all talking about? Like, for example Like, like, like, like when YG Like when Y's, like when white, no disrespect to Tyga, you got some slaps and all that. But that shit kind of weak, fool.

Like I fuck with that, that, uh, that YG go loco. That shit was hard. Like, you knock down the Mexican bitches of that song. And you feel me? Like, that shit's hard. But that Icarumba shit's just kind of like, damn fool. You being a little bit disrespectful. Like, but I don't know.

I didn't think it was funny either. As battle rappers. Like, who are you guys listening to right now? Like, as, like, and I don't even know how to like... My whole playlist is African shit. You're going to fuck you up with that. I was gonna, like, and my dumb ass was gonna say real rappers. Like, I don't even know how to categorize that shit.

You know what? You know what? That's crazy. Just because somebody battle rap that don't mean that he's listening to lyrical, yeah, I'm listening to Lyrical Spiritual. You feel me? I don't know. I'd be listening to random shit like that.

I don't know. I like fucking Kodak. I like, you know, be like, like, I'm listening to just all that shit. You know what I mean? I like Trippy Red. I like, I don't know. Different shit than people would think.

But, you know, I have my crazy extensive, you know, lyricist bag, but, you know, I don't go into it every day. I go into it when I'm feeling it, you know what I mean? But on a regular basis, man, I'll just be, I don't even be bumping a lot of new rap shit, to be honest with you like that. You said your shit, yeah, yeah, I've been listening to a lot of African shit, man. You don't listen to barely any rap. Thames, Rima, like, just so much shit.

Like, I got all my lay. Like, there's so many people that I fuck with that are in my. my playlist that I just like I fuck with heavy you know I mean and just like older shit too so you know I'm on that wave right now but I listen to heller I listen to hell of shit too but I listen to a lot of rap music and a lot of it's just like just street shit and turned up shit and shit that move me and motivate me like I listen to like a lot of Detroit music you know what I'm saying I love cash kid I love ice wear a vessel fuck with fools like that um I listen to a lot of the newer Cali shit fools from like the Stockton shit like EBK Young

jock and slow beat you feel me i'll listen to sack shit i'll listen to you feel me rip bris and all that in mazie and i'll listen to anything that's popping in in l. like for show um or even like i e shit like i'm fucking with like anything that's new or cutting edge yeah yeah no i'm this thing it's happy i'm dummy logged in like but yeah like in l a right now like i'm i'm I'm fucking with Blue Buck's been killing it. Obviously, you feel me? Kaling for real, for real. Blast.

R3, the chilling man's killing it. And I'm asking y'all that because, you know, we don't want to be like, we don't want to have just the battle rappers here, you feel me? And you guys are only catering to one thing. Like, I need you motherfuckers to cater to all rap. You feel like, I don't want you to. Because that's what, we felt like that's what everybody else does. I look at Matt Hoffa and I'm like, this thing is doing whoever can come on this motherfucker.

Yeah, he had 21 Savage on there. He's a legend. You know what the fuck he's capable of doing, what he's done. So, and the respect level was there. So, and the respect level is there with you guys too. I just don't feel like it's our, I just don't feel like that's like our lane because we really want to give a lot of shine to the, like, that's the problem. Like, we feel like people chase views too much.

and that's all they care about. You know what I'm saying? And like, that's not what me and him are on. We understand that, like, a lot of the episodes that we put together, we know they're not going to get crazy views. We know, like, a lot of them won't, but we know they're important conversations to have because in the future they will.

Over time, people will catch up to them. They're not going to be viral right away. But if you look at the comments under our shit, it's like you could tell, like, the people, like, that are from the cloth, how much they appreciate the fact that we bring in this real grassroots shit to it. So the people at the bottom, That's the only way we could, like, show, like, battle rappers and people that are not as exposed.

But I think at some point, we're going to run out of battle rappers. It's not just battle rappers. But look, look, look. If you, niggins did at least three-four interviews every day, you cut. Like, niggins, that's what I'm going to ask you? So what did you do after that? It's not just. But it's not just battle rappers, though.

Anyone that's like, because, like, look, I slap all that other shit. I slap the, you know, AFM, Bob and all that, like, them. LA rappers, but then I'll slap, then we'll slap like Rock Marciano, you feel me, like Benny the butcher, Conway, like the lyricists, the lyricist, the lyricist, that Simba, you feel me, dudes that are pushing a lyrical agenda in hip hop. I love Simba, man, he's so fired. That's what our podcast, that's what God Tears been from the jump. We had Exhibit on here.

We had Razcas on here. Like, it's not all just battle rappers, it's battle rappers and lyrically inclined individuals. So we're going to continue and like, look. Yeah, it's not just battle wrappers. Today we just had an almighty suspect on it. So it's like, like, we'll expand beyond it. And we fuck with all different kinds of shit. But at the end of the day, I feel like that's kind of been what's missing.

Like occasionally, fools will have somebody from that cloth on no jumper. Adams chopped it up with ghost face killer, chopped it up with like if you have schoolboy on or whoever. Adams chopped up with 50% of the motherfuckers I've done interviews with. Right. It's just different. You almost can't find somebody. that Adam has an interview. I'm like,

yeah, he interviewed him too. But it's always different. The conversation is always different when it's somebody else. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. It's always different. Yeah, it's different memories, different shit you can bring up different,

like a motherfucker's share something with you that they wouldn't share with us. I think, hold on, one thing you, that's a fact. Like, I really want to make clear, like there is, it's like an unspoken divide in what's hip hop and what's rap shit, right? There's this, and everybody would be like,

no, it's all the same shit. but I feel like this whole, it's all the same shit, shit leaves a lot of the other stuff to go under the rug. And I feel like that's why we interview certain lyricists and people that are of a certain caliber because to us, they're in that lane of battle rap. They just haven't battled yet.

But it's a style of rapping that's more content-driven and educational. And that's kind of what we want to focus on because we feel like no jumper brings all the other shit to the table. It brings all the going dumb and people getting leaned out and piled out or whatever the fuck that, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? But what we do is completely different.

I feel like if we start mixing it, you know, but I hear what you're saying. But if we start mixing it, we go lose our identity. So like, you won't lose your identity. I'm just letting you know. You won't lose your identity because it's a lot of motherfuckers that be like, you know what? That's just not my cup of tea. Like I don't like that, you know, because he's like for old. It's like, that's the old shit.

Like the new shit, I just want to feel. Right, right. And that's because the motherfuckers just don't know. It's either they don't know. They really ain't tapped in. They just feel like it's some cannabis shit. You know what I'm saying? If you're going to look at it.

No, but if you go look at it, like, I'm a fan from two shit six years ago. But then also like, look at, look at, it's not no cannabis shit. They get this shit crazy. These dinkas are fighting and all type of shit. Certain artists that people really like, like the No Jumper audience in particular, like, look at Draco, RIPP. like Drekko is an amazing lyricist. He used a lot

of the same literary devices that battle rappers use from punchline to multi-syllabic rhyme structure to certain things, but people just don't, a lot of his audience don't have the ear to even understand that. If his audience seen disaster fighting, they're gonna fucking tune in

because these little motherfuckers is crazy out here. And when they start tuning in, they're gonna be like, oh, this is crazy. First of all, man, I just want you to know because I know you really love the fighting shit, but I want you to know I got banned for that shit. They fucked up all my bread for a whole year

I couldn't fucking eat. They had to book me We had to start a whole other league to book him. We had to start a whole other fucking league. And I had to give math five extra bands. Yeah, but that's fucked up too. I gave math five extra bands. I had to pay over 15 racks for that. You act like, yo, like if I

punched the next guy, my life is going to become better out of my pocket. But it's like, how do you get the younger generation to start tapping in more? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah. You got you get them. How do you get these young motherfuckers and start tapping in? There's younger.

There's a whole new generation of younger. But there's a whole new generation of younger battle rappers. And I think that once they realize, shit, we got a voice representing us. And like, he's talking the shit that we can relate to. You feel me? Like, think about like, take A in battle rap form. You feel me? Like, and that exists.

Those individuals exist nowadays. People just not really privy to it. And really what's going on over here at No Jumper is. We came in with our own, like, separate entity, you know? And at the end of the day, a lot of people, the primary people watching our podcast are new people that we brought over to No Jumper. The No Jumper audience, they're like, who the fuck are these fools? Yeah, because we have to.

I've had to humble myself and realize. They ain't tapped in yet. We got to get these young motherfuckers tapped in on you. And that's why you're coming on here help a lot. Straight up. It would be an incredible guest. Like for that is like we could find, we could always find the lines where we find similarities.

Like someone like YBN Corday, exactly. That's what I was just thinking. Exactly. So like someone like Corday, who's an incredible freestiler and just all around great fucking rapper and just like even though he's young, he's preserved the cloth,

you know what I'm saying? And I feel like someone like him, we'd be able to make that connection where we could cross it from being a batter rapper. But Juice World was actually like that. Hold on. He was perfect. He was the second thing I was going to say RIP, Juice World, he would have been the most fucking perfect.

That's the ideal person to bring it all together. I didn't say it. I didn't say it because obviously RRP, but you know what I'm saying? Like, Corday would be the next person that I would think of, like, who would be like a real like. Because Joey Baddice not even young no more like that. You feel me? Joey Badass back in the day. Like what have you feel me?

He's like crazy. Nah, hell no. Joey Badass is a nigga out here. Yeah, he is. For sure. No, for show. He is. His new album is fire.

Yeah. But he's a little, I don't know if he resonates with the kids as much as he did like five years ago when he was 16. I mean, it's a little bit more of a younger demographic than the, I love his music too. Yeah. His new album's incredible.

I'd love to have Joey on here. I think was one of my favorites. I'd love to have Joey on here. Vince Staples. And Vince Staples. Vince Staples is another one that would be a good one. Yeah. Yeah.

Like these are dudes that. I mean, we got some ideas. Vince has been to battle rap events. It's like, oh, so that's what we'd like to do. Coast Contra, we try to have them on. They make perfect sense. You feel me?

Are just sitting here, you know, with another guest and just start chopping it up and giving your views on what the fuck's going on in recent time with battle rapping and let me know your view on it because everybody want to know. Yeah, the best way with these motherfuckers want to know too. Like, oh, yeah, like and probably want to go tap in. So you like that eye carumbus shit? Is that what you're saying? Fuck no.

That shit is weak, right? I just wanted to ask you, niggas, because it's all around the platform. Everybody asking everybody on the platform, so I get to ask y'all. You know what I didn't. You didn't get a fuck. He's like, he don't even know what's going on. That shit, hell of weeks. Like, I don't fuck with that shit. Reach me, man.

See, look, it didn't even reach you. But yeah, man. You ain't missing much. It was nice talking to you, niggis. Yeah. We appreciate it. Let's make it a thing. You feel me?

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