No Jumper - Tash of Tha Alkaholiks on Getting Sober, Working with ODB & More

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

Dizaster and Lush sit down with Tash (Tha Alkaholiks) to give him his flowers, expand on how he influenced them, his journey to sobriety, legendary ODB stories and more! https://www.instagram.com/tash_of_tha... https://www.instagram.com/mrdizaster/ https://www.instagram.com/lushoneca/ -- 0:36 - "You look healthy!" Tash looks like a brand new man after years of getting f*cked up! 1:48 - Dizaster is actually a huge fan of Tash and explains how he inspired him in his career 10:11 - Tash says he felt like he had to live up to this drunk image at all times 14:41 - Tash appreciates being invited on the show even though he doesn't do a lot of interviews 16:54 - Tash working with ODB on "Hip Hop Drunkies", organically being drunk in the studio with a mic going around 24:53 - Working with King T, his influence, and how Biggie loved him  34:10 - Tash clears up the ghostwriting Bow Wow story! Bow Wow used his lyrics on Arsenio to show his skills, but Tash did not specifically write for him56:01 - Diz says Tash and Casual should face-off and battle like men, acapella 59:45 - Tash also manages Junior Boy from Dallas ----- Shout to our Partners at Gamer Supps! ORDER YOUR FREE SAMPLE TODAY with our Promo Code NoJumper https://youtu.be/UUwcj1YC-NE Gamer Supps offers esports athletes, gamers, and podcasters the most effective and healthy energy choice to help them perform at the highest potential especially during their most crucial moments. Try it today 100% Free with our Promo Code NoJumper https://gamersupps.gg/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

God tier podcast. We are back with another installment. The coolest battle rap podcast in the fucking world. Over here with my co-host. Make you feel like you overdose till you comatose. Locking it down in, if you're 20-1 and over. We're going to hit it from coast to coast. Come on.

You play a Pied on to Uno. And we got a legend with us right now. Come on. One of the illest lyricists. And I'm not even going to say West Coast. I'm going to say hip hop history, the man himself, Tash. Come on, come on, come on. What's up with it?

You look healthy. Would I look like before, man? A lot of people would be telling me that. He said I looked healthy. He said you and proof. I'm like, well, I'm going to tell you like this. I don't know if you're aware, but you and I are both on the same path right now, the sobriety journey and all that.

I know if you pull up some picks or videos of me from two and a half years ago, it's a different person right there. And we could unpack that a little bit later, but I just want to give you your flowers on that, just off-rip the fact that you've taken these strides to improve your life. It's inspirational. It's a whole new me, you know what I'm saying?

And it's a blessing because, you know, like you said, if you had caught me a couple years ago, wasn't no telling where I'll be right now, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I appreciate that. And a lot of people have been telling me, you know, encouraging me and everything, telling me that I'm on the right path. So it got to be something to that, you know.

So we're going to talk about what I've been up to, but I'm, congratulations to you too for making that step, you know. By the grace of God. What about two? You still drinking smoking and dude out of that shit. What up? No, fuck. He don't really, you're not a drinker like that.

I don't know. I just smoke weed. But look, man, I really, like, I'm still keeping it calm right now because, like, what people don't understand watching this is how, how serious of a, how much this interview means to. me. You know what I'm saying? I want people to really understand who Tash is, not just to the world, which a lot of you already fucking know, but I want people to understand who he is to me and my career and, you know what I'm saying? Like, why this interview has to be the craziest interview

for me out of all interviews I've done and that I'm going to do, you know? So this is some shit, like I'm going to dive right into, you know what I mean? There would be no disaster without Tash. And that's what's so fucking crazy. You know what I'm saying? And like, Before I go any further on that, the fact that you are a fan of my shit the way you are. Like coming to my event, I saw you watching my battles too. The props you're giving me. I'd be like, thanks, but you don't know what's going on in my head because there are a couple of rap. I started hip-hop because of Onyx and DMX.

That's why I became a rapper. Wow. So I'm a rapper because of them. Those are the first people I heard that really moved. me. But when I became disaster, that transition into becoming disaster wouldn't have happened without you. And there's so many parallels that I want to talk about. And I have no ego saying this. You're the only person I can say this about. So I'm going to go on record and say this. I used to bite the hell out of your style. Like I'm talking about take your style and your voice

and use it like the same way i i didn't have my style i didn't have a style yeah i used to write but like it was just there was it didn't have nothing to it the first time i ever felt like i had flavor was listening to you and i was like this is me but i thought it was me like i was like this is how i sound naturally like he's he's what i'm going to turn into when i'm older not only that by coincidence i used to tag catastrophe everywhere so this This is the fucking crazy shit. It wasn't my rap name, but it was like my tagging name. I used to tag it everywhere.

I tagged catastrophe. I like the way it looked. It's good letters. The way it looked was just so fucking crazy to me, you know? So he's not faking jacks either right now. You're the only person I'm going to be able to say this to. So I have no ego saying this because like, Doug, like for me, you were the best rapper on earth. Like not just on the West like when I heard you I was like this is the next big thing

I don't give a shit like you the way you your pauses in your pockets and the way you connected your syllables was it was brand new it just it just you had your own style and there was nothing like it and I felt like you were the first dude that was really balancing the lyricism in the mainstream shit like you couldn't almost put a finger on which one you were you an MC or were you like a mainstream rapper. Like with Rap Life, you couldn't tell because you had everything. You know what I'm saying? Which brings me to the story of rap life.

Right. So like knowing Rap Life was going to come out at the time, you know, and a lot of people like be like spreading like new like rumors about me like that I grew up rich and I had all this shit. And thank God like my my parents like I've worked since I was 15 and a half. You know what I mean? Like had a job. Spent happened life in a third world country.

And they always taught us to always work for our. shit. At the time I didn't have a fucking job and shit was going a little bad. I was selling weed here and there and I was doing shit like that and it was just, you know, I was like fucking 16 years old, you know what I'm saying? I didn't really have money like that and like I was just broke as hell

and I wanted your CD so bad bro. And I was just like you know what? Fuck it. There's a big ass guard right there in front of the Macy's. So there was a Macy's and there's a Sam Goody right next to it. You know what I'm saying? And that's where they were selling the shit back then whoever knows remember sam goody you know what time you snatch and grabbed like like everybody doing right now with the jewelry stores the shit i didn't that's not only did i snatch and grab

i went in there i grabbed the cd and then like as i was walking out there was there was people in the way i pushed them out the way right and i ran through the metal detector the thing rang and then a security guard started chasing me he was like right there right he tries to grab me in the macy's Fuck, I fire on him. I turn around, I fire on him. We start fighting, smashing him through this shit and, like, dragging me to the point where I get to the door. And I'm like, I'm taking this fucking album with me,

no matter what, he's holding on to my leg, dragging through the door. I'm getting out. He's trying to grab his mace. He even tries to, like, mace. And, like, the door closes. The door closes, and I just start fucking booking it out of there, laid the fucking dude out. Like, he was all fucked up, you know what I went to the house.

Roll the fucking. blunt and I threw the fucking album on and that shit was the craziest shit I ever heard in my life and I still like one of the the record that really plays in my head from from that moment was the Taj rules everything around me you know that's LV shout out LV but yeah so that like that's really like how how bad I wanted to have your shit you know what I'm saying and I would have did anything to get that CD because it was just so and I never did that with anything else I didn't go buy anybody else's CD. I didn't get any CDs. I didn't do that with nobody. That was the only CD I wanted to fucking have. And that's the only CD I cared about. Still one of my favorite

albums till this day of all time. Let me let me do some doubt but taking penitentiary chances. I really took some chances and fought a security guy. To get an album that only cost 12 bucks. But damn. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have to I think it was 20 at the time too. Like back then was it was it 12? It was probably more. 299. So like 16. I don't know. I didn't have a single dollar to my name. So that's That's why that happened. It sounds crazy because people think I grew up rich, but I really was a lot of people said they stole my alcoholics too. They say they shoplifted and did all that.

They stole it. But I've never heard nobody sucking out the. Yeah, bro. Like I really, and to be honest with you, I'm pretty sure he would have followed me all the way out and continued. But like, you know, I think that's like either their jurisdiction or something. Yeah, you're going to get that. Once I got out the door, I remember knowing I was good.

Like I just dashed across the shit. I was all fucked up. They're going to get you the assault and battery for the security guard. They're going to give you the theft for the stele of the time. Running. They're going to give you evading or some shit. You did a lot for that CD, man. Yeah, man.

I'm glad it changed your life, like you said, man. Because if you said you wouldn't be here without me, then we both here together now. So, you know what I mean? That's the most important thing. But damn, nobody's ever broken down like that. Yeah, it's pretty. I've always wanted to.

Okay, so here's the craziest part about this. and you're not going to believe this I told you this fucking story in Sweden but you was drunk as fuck you told me this time I literally when I met you in Sweden when I met you I didn't tell you the yes you

we were together in Sweden bro you probably is talking to Jaywell man no I was you we were all together in Sweden I got Sweden stories too but I'm telling you now we were there I didn't get into depth with you but when I shook your hand you're like

oh nice to meet you I was like yeah nice to meet you too bro you have no idea who you are to me man I don't sock guards out to take your CD like that da da da and you're like yeah word

and I was like all right I probably thought you were buss and I probably was looking at you like no you did you were you was lit out of your mind so like I'll just I'll just I chopped that that's my MO that was my MO I was my MO

I was trying to live up to the image you know what I'm not and damn I was like and that's it was a world I remember what you're talking about too. I can imagine that being like a lot of pressure at a certain point when you're the alcoholics, you're the licks. And not only is there that name, which is so crazy to live up to, but the reputation of having

the live is shows and we spraying 40 ounces on everybody in the front row. That was the whole thing. That was like, what I said living up to the image, what I meant was, I was serious about that. What I meant was everywhere you turn, I could be in a mall. Somebody won't have a drink with us. What they want to do is buy you a drink and take a picture of it. You know what I'm saying?

So if we go to any show, first of all, backstage is gonna have all the, on our writer, it says something like, six bottles of Hennessy, six bottles of vodka, six bottles of this. That's crazy. And it was really just the party with the fans every night.

But when that shit get in your system, after 20 years of the same shit, your body start getting used to it. Right? So when you get, I can tell you, y'all work out and y'all is shaping shit, but it's like basically you can look like you in shape, but your body's still physically addicted.

You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, 1,000%. When you wake up and you got to drink just to feel normal. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's when you know you got problems. I was curious, like, how bad were you getting delirium tremens?

Were you getting the shakes every morning if you wouldn't drink? I got the shakes before. I got the shakes before, but it was really like I was just partying two. I was like, I bought a house in Vegas and shit. And they could tell you. They could tell you. Yeah, I bought a house in Vegas. And I think that was the turning point where I just started officially not giving a

You know what I'm saying? Like I lived way in the suburbs, five bed room. I was living by myself and then I got so bored. I invited Quest, you know what I'm saying? My little brother and my other homeboy to come live with me. And they was all party animals, you know what I'm saying? So really, from that point to, when I bought that house

to two years later, I think that's all we did was drink, smoke, fuck with bitches, jump in the pool, and go record him. I had a little cut, like home studio or some shit. And we wouldn't leave that. We had to throw our own party. Like, Vegas will come to us. Right.

You know what I'm saying? The mansion is good. The mansions are cheap out there. No bus. He bought six rose voices and showed up in my career. And so you well into your 30s at this point, I assume, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm in my 30.

Right. I was 28 when I dropped rapper, like. Okay, yeah, yeah. 27. Right, right. It's funny because he brought up that album. For me, it was about six, seven years before that, it was 21 and over. It was the record, damn.

damn was like that that that's what turned on that was on that was on a second album on coast to coast yeah coast to coast yeah it was coast to coast to coast too but yeah no 21 and over was like make room and all that yeah but for me it was the second album because i was in seventh grade at the time when uh when when coast to coast came out and that you know freaking girls at house parties and all that see he got in he found out like that's crazy because he was into the licks first like for me i got into the licks because of you you get what i'm saying like i found out about you then I found out about King T and everyone else, you know what I'm saying? But like, you were the initial like, you know what I'm saying, where I had to start studying back, you know, I mean,

I was younger anyways. He's, he got a couple years on me. Just a couple. Don't get too comfortable. You go right behind me. You know, back then two, three years are like fucking five or six. Right. I was going to talk one way, but I told it was a race, you'd be breathing on my neck. Right behind me. Now, you know what though? Not for nothing, man. Like, I think this should be highlighted, bro. It's actually, it's amazing to see what you have done with rebranding yourself, bro. And I feel like it's a miracle that you're here, to be honest with you, because you might not know, but like I said, this is how bad it was for you. And we should talk about this because of how you are now. Because you're complete now. Like you look healthy again. You're there, bro. Like, you're completely there.

The two times that I've seen you before this, bro. The last time I saw you is where in my head, I was just like, fuck man like we lost tage that's literally how i was why you bring that up man i'm because because no you got me there i thought i'm really offended you all the city it's good no but like no you should talk about that because it highlights how like the triumph because to get to where you got bro like people need to understand because you're going to be that voice for them because some people get to a point dog and then they they're like you know what i'm already too deep and they let go dog and like you were at a point where most

people let go dog and people need to see how you have not only got healthy again got your mind back got your everything back but you rebranded got your business back you you and mo you look fly you got all your shit going like you really did a 180 you know what I'm saying

and you should get your flowers for that straight to fuck up because to me that's crazy 1000 I appreciate this man this whole platform sitting everything I'm not a big talk on the platforms and stuff like that, but I like talking about real shit and y'all, I watch their shit and everything for the, you know, and y'all got the new show and everything.

And I'm glad that y'all, y'all doing stuff like this, you know? Because a lot of material give monop in this, you know. No, 1,000, and I'm sure you've done 100 interviews, thousands of interviews over the years. And, you know, we as men, as constituents in the world of hip-hop, as fellow emcees, it's a different type of dialogue we have. And now, as a brother in recovery with you, I look at you on a whole other level. And especially us being on No Jumper, which is a platform that a lot of younger people watch.

Yes. A lot of people that are, you know, the culture of the music nowadays is really driven by substance abuse. Like people always have, the cliche statement is like, oh, we used to, we used to listen to music from the drug dealers. Now we listen it from the users, you feel me? Like, and there's a little bit of truth to that. That is the, damn, I never heard that way. That's a good one. And you, like, not for nothing, bro.

Like, and keep on highlighting that, you escaped a label that was slapped onto you that made you. Like, what you came out of is, again, damn mere impossible. No, I can relate to that. No, but look, he had, because his name is lush. Yeah. Right. My name is lush and people caught that.

I was like, a couple years ago, we have been best friends, man. Exactly. We still going to be best ways. Exactly. And my whole image. was based on getting fucked up. So people, I would feel rude, even if I didn't want to,

if someone wanted to do a line with me, wanted to take a shot with me, you wanted to, whatever, if I'm not there in the mix, like, I have this obligation because I don't want to be like, Beyonce at the gas station didn't wave to me. You feel me?

And then like, I have a fan that hates me forever, you feel me? So I can relate a lot to when you said that earlier, like everybody wanted to turn up with Tash. Was it, were you out of like, how do you, Swift and J. Roe, Were you like the Turnup King? Yes.

Yeah, it was. Yes. Yes. Yeah, you know what? I think this is a perfect segue into how, because this is one of my favorite records of all time. How did the record with old dirty bastards? Hip-hop drunkies. Hip-hop drunkies.

How did you get ODB, man? R-I-P, man. The goat, man. I mean, first of all, it was a boy because we was on loud records. So when we-so y'all went together here. We already knew ODB and all that. And I did pretty much a record with every Woutain member, except I haven't done one with...

You're Ray Kwan shit hard. That's my favorite one. I haven't done one with you guy, and I have not done one with Master Killer. Okay. But I did one with Memphis, mixtape, did one with ghosts, did one with Rayquine and all these things.

But that was our friends, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I'm going to tell you this. Like, when God made ODB, he broke the mold. You know what I'm saying? There's no, there's never be another. and, you know, I can go on and on about him, man. It was a, what they say, a method to his madness and shit.

Like, everybody thought he's crazy and shit. He's an evil genius. He's like a crazy, like, mad scientist. He was a free spirit to me. Like, he didn't give a, like, he wouldn't get, like, his pickup lines with girls and shit would be like, hey, baby, I know you got some good pussy because I can smell it for way over here. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that.

Like, just pop out of his mouth and then you're looking like, what the fuck? They start laughing. And all this type of shit and everything. He was just a natural, just like free spirit, man. I could only imagine what the atmosphere was like when y'all was recording that. Like, who came up with the idea to use the cubes dropping in the cup in the beat? The what? The ice cubes dropping in the cup.

That's all, that's all E. Swift right there. That's the E. Swift. Very underrated producer, he Swift. He's one of the illest. But I'm going to tell you a story for the O-Heds. Is what they call them O-Heads? O-Gs. I don't want to call them that.

Oh, jeez. I mean, yeah, I think we call me unk. We call them the cloth, man. Come on. Let me talk to, okay, look. The beat from ODB song, the hip-hop junkies, was originally on this juice crew song that was a part of the, no, no, it was a video.

Remember the symphony video? Of course. You remember the symphony video, right? Of course. Do you remember when they walking in the saloon with the guns and shit? It's a little beat playing like ding-d-de-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. And Master Ace and Cool G rap and Big Daddy Kna, walked in, Swift heard that little beat and said, man, I could fuck, I could kill that beat right there.

He just took that a little part, yeah. But what he did, back then we had VCRs and shit. So what he did, he tried to sample it off the VCR. So when he first made the beat, it sounded fuck, it sounded shitty. We were like, we can't use the shit. That's amazing. And everything. So he tried his best to fuck with it.

We were like, we ain't fucking with that beat. And then what happened was he Swift saw Molly Mall at like a DJ convention or some shit like that. And he told him what he did. And next to even know, Barley was like, oh, we love the alcoholist. sent the files to the original juice group thing. Wow. The original one from 1987. Wow.

So then Swip was like, we good. Made it, the ODB, we wanted to do a song with him because we were drinking like, who was drinking like, I was about to say mermaids. Nah, nah, nah, not. Drinking like fish, fish, fish, fish, but anyway, it went hard to get him on the song.

It was just that when he did agree to it, he was in L.A. and he called out of records and he wanted all this shit to go with it like he wanted a limo to bring him and all this shit so he took the limo and he disappeared for like six hours and shit right and then he comes back drug his hell

we drug his hell so the key people I mean the hip hop fun fact about that song right there was that we all did the video I mean all did the song together in the booth at the same time so just like we standing right here one microphone Jay well right here all dirty bass right here I'm right here

that sounds like the most fun session I've ever heard in my life all we had was wraps on our head. And y'all were all lit. That's all we did. We just keep wrapping back and forth. Dog, how do you not have footage of that?

There's footage of it. It was too drunk to record. There's no footage of that anywhere? It probably wasn't the big guys camp court. God damn, Tad. We had a cell phone thing back there. That's like a serious, if that came out right now, do you know where this? You know this, you know there's 1997.

Yeah, I know. Our battles weren't recorded for the same reason. I'm just saying his shit was more important than our battles. It might be footage of that. Now, I think about it because it was a lot of, you know, hoopla around this and shit. So somebody got it. If you got that footage, man, you're a rich motherfucker.

Call me. That's great. You brought up Loud Records where y'all were the first group signed aloud, right? Were y'all before? Everybody think that. No. No. Clarify it.

The list go like this. It was the first group. No, he had Twister. Yeah, Twister. We had Twister first. I think that was the first one. Then it was a group called Mad Cap. From L.A.

From L.A. From L.A. Proof is in the pudding. Shout out to Joe. Shout out the, shout out the, um. People don't know about Madcap. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And the crazy part about how we got signed,

we used to be homies with Matt Cap. There was from Pasadena and shit. So we used to go to their studio sessions and sit in and just come up with hooks and shit. You know, just sitting in, whatever. But the crazy part, I don't know if y'all know, Faye, Fabian Duvenet. Yeah, yeah.

Faye, you know, he was a big shot in the industry at the time and he was fucking with Steve Rifkin. And loud was just an idea back then, you know what I'm saying? Because they tried to sign Twister and it didn't work. And the Madcap thing didn't really go the way they wanted it to do. See, I just had to, they got a dude in there. His name is, Coke that's in Madcap.

And I just talked to him about this a couple days ago. Is that the lighter skin dude? Yeah, yeah, okay. And everything. But I never knew that it was, I didn't want to, because we was drinking back then. So I don't, like, the memory kind of foggy about this. But I just remember we went to the studio to fuck with them. And Fade is the one that got their deal with loud.

Okay. So when we went up there, the fuck with them on some regular old shit, we had this demo tape, right? And we had, um, we had like, we had MC8 on our demo and threat, deadly threat. We had a bunch of people, King T, of course, and this and that. And I just remember we was in the, it was their studio session. I was paying for, was in Pasadena. We slapped our shit in as part of their session. Right.

Every song, he just kept saying, rewind that, man. We were like, nah, this is their time. You know what I mean? This is their studio session. And this and that. He said, give me that tape, man. He said, just give me that tape. I got something in.

He went home and called us the next day. He was like, Steve, love this shit. Come through. Really, our demo was 21 and over. Wow. Like they gave us some money to make an which is an undeniable demo. We recorded this shit we already had

you know so it worked out lovely and shit but you know it just seemed like what I said I felt bad because from that point it seemed like with just named the alcoholists, nobody ever heard no shit like that right? So I felt like we was taking the shine off of Madcap now you know what I mean? Because soon as we got back and we got our deal

it was like they started pushing us you know what I'm saying? But we're like, what about the homies? You know what I'm saying? And they weren't getting pushed this hard and I think they felt some kind of way about that which I didn't understand until a year later and then I talked to him. He was like, yeah, it's kind of, you know what I mean. It wasn't your fault, though.

No, not even close or I fought, but I didn't know that's how they looked at it. I ought to be, you know, I wouldn't apologize. I wouldn't even, you know, I won't bogg out and nobody's studio session and get a deal and then, you know what I'm saying, do all this other shit, but that's what happened. And then on the heels of that, like, the whole entire liquid crew, because that encompasses so many more MCs than just y'all. That's like, you know, for people that don't know, Madlib was a part of that. You had the loose pack. You had a Defarai. DeFaray, Heyru, man.

Shouts out the DeFarai, man. I can't be going past names like that just casually. Defarri was a voice in my childhood, man. Shouts out the DeFarra. What was my favorite verse from DeFari was not even on his shit. It was on, what was it? It was the LA song, man. Oh, yeah, that song's crazy.

We exhibit, you know, together we rise. No time for separateness. You know, that shit that he had the hardest, like his voice, his vocals. that shit is tattooed to the inside of my skull type of shit. The far right was ill. Filled agony, man. Filled that. What's all with Phil, man?

That's your blood cousin. That's your blood cousin. Nah, we just bought Smiths and... Okay. That's it. But y'all grew up around each other. When did you all meet? Probably 90.

90. I think 90, 91. Because the main thing... One of the time the alcohol is dropped, right? Here's what we want to know, because we're huge fans of King T, man. Right. How did the relationship with King T start? You know what I'm saying?

And also, if you want to ask? had to that, where you were around in that transition where he influenced Biggie? Yeah, but that was later, that was like we was on the Biggie tour, and Biggie used to tell us how big of a, just like you pumped me up just now? Yeah, yeah, that was Biggie to King T. The same tip right there. That's why Biggie's like, man, like for me, he might, I don't know what I'm talking about. I can play you song.

No, he's sound, he got the same flow. I can play you songs that you'll be like, damn. No, we know, we know. We know. But we respect it because, like, Biggie is such a. he's just such a humble like you you explaining it like that that shows because for us like

one main thing that emcees should always have is the homage element and if you don't pay homage you really you ain't real with it you ain't like you know I'm saying you doing it for some other reasons but if you could pay homage and still be powerful within your own self and still continue to contribute to the shit like that's

what we look for you know and he checks out all the boxes man you can't say nothing about big like you know I'm saying Like that's a good example. But yeah, man, King T, man. Yeah, so how did you, how did y'all get on each other radar like that? Well, me and Swift, we had a group, right? I don't know if y'all know, have y'all heard of Born I Laa? Yeah, that's the homie from Project Blue.

Exactly. That's my first rap partner before Dreo. So the whole thing was that me and Born Our Live, we had a group called Vaxies before Ludacris. And then we had a group called Disturbing the Peace. D.O.P. Disturvice of the Peace. And then he moved to a different part.

And then basically J-Row was the reason we see, first of all, people don't know this. But King T coming up when it was coming up in, but Quainment, KT used to be Jay-Row's DJ. Okay. So that's how that whole shit started. It's all like the Scotty D in the Phyllis Shop and all y'all over there. And ain't a couple of you all originally from Ohio? Yeah, me and Swift. You went, but J-Roe from.

He was already connected with King T. So when we met J-Role, me and J-Row started hooking up. doing this. Jerry always been in the 8-1-8, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was all his idea. But, um, um, um, King T basically, um, he took us,

that's like you, we were talking this homage thing. Let me get my problem. Let me get my property to, uh, King T, man, because, come on. We want to hear this. I don't know what I'd be doing if it won for King T.

Because he took me under his arm like a little, like he, he knew J-Row's, so him and Jay-Row's cool. Right. Then what happened was East Swift got hired by King T to be his DJ because King T had another DJ. I think was Keep Kooley. or I don't know who was DJing for him at the time

but whoever was couldn't make this tour for some reason, right? So he Swippers over King Tee, I mean over DJ poolhouse cutting King T's hair or somebody's hair I think it was a pool house and the news came right then that he needed a DJ so he's like, oh man we leave on tour tomorrow so the night before the tour it was a cube

NW, I know it was Cube Too Short and I remember like yesterday That's crazy. Some kind of tour like that and everything Key Tee was opening up he was on the bill And just overnight he did Overnight had no DJ and it just so happened that while he was cutting his hair, the news came through to King T needed a DJ. King T's a DJ himself, so he had some turntables in the corner.

Swift, I guess, audition for the motherfucker right there. Right on the spot. Oh my God. All the shit, all this shit. Let's go. He put a lot on the book. These are the moments. Whatever he did, he got the job that night and I was living with East Swift and his pops and

Swift left and went on tour and I was crushed. I was jealous. I was like, this nigger didn't take me. I said, all this shit I do carrying these motherfucking records for him and he don't tour and he don't even take his man. But the bottom line is that Swift got hooked up with that opportunity and killed it.

So since then, he's been King T's DJ, you know. Yeah. But that's how we really, but King T, I mean, Tila could have, he could have, you know, just been like, okay, Jaybo, okay, Swift. And then left me on the, you know, the back burner. But, you know, Tila embraced me like a brother.

And he started, you know, he wanted to do a crude thing so the liquid crew was born, you know. And we were talking with Tila way before that though Tili was at me in over, I mean, over 21 events when I was like 17 and shit because he was the first cracking this rapper

that I met, you know what I'm saying? And not only that I met him, he took me under his wing and shit. Yeah, and you could tell he has that big brother complex, man. That's like amazing. Like he has that where he, you know what I mean, he's nurturing. You know, I wanted to ask you and segue into this

because we spoke about Phil to Agony. I remember Phil DeAgony used to be over there at Fat Beats just like serving people the mic he'd be on the mic just rapping and just challenging like waiting for somebody to hop on and you know what i'm saying um did you ever battle i don't know if he battled but it seemed like he did did you have that like what's your battle experience who because we know you have wax shit like you and also you know you got other beefs with certain people but i'm saying did you ever jump into the ring because you're a lyricist bro and you you you had like a really you had like a battle rhymes you did

you had punchy style like smack you like that a da da da like you always had like very aggressive coming at you could have you could have used your verses off a lot of your records as like fucking battle raps versus random people because every verse you had smacking the shit out of people doing shit like it was punch lines yeah that's how that's how i was i would say if i had a battlewap career that's what it was like it was like it was never like i know you and i could think all this shit i could say about you you know what i was just like we're battling you say your best shit i'm gonna say my best shit and i was it but i i really i nobody really wanted to fuck would be

I ain't saying it like that but I never got approached I think it was that I think it was that bro you were that fucking nice compared to everybody it took people a while to catch on because the way this shit works

is and this is why homage is not and it's very important for us to always pay it because times move so fast and nobody's gonna account for what you taught everybody at that time there's nowhere we could go on the website and see that right now I just hear your story today

but you gotta hear from the people that have started in their fucking brain. See, I remember when you had the most cutting edge, you were the best in the world for that window, in my opinion. Like in that window, I think because everybody was so far behind, for them to have caught up to where they are right now, they have to learn from seeing something that's better than them. This is how it always works with everything, bro.

And I feel like you were influenced for that. I even feel like, and I don't know if this is true, and I want to ask him, I feel like Crooked Eye used to listen to you because I feel like the most similar, the only person that I could tie a line to on the West Coast is Taj and Crooked Eye. You know what I'm saying?

Like you had that style. It was like a precursor to it almost. Do you, so. That was my point. I wasn't a question. Yeah, it was a point too. It wasn't a question. I just, that's how I felt about like your style at the time.

You know what I mean? So the battle thing was the question. No, but you answered that. When you, like, so you guys had an incredible string of those first three albums on loud or flawless front to back. It's one of the best runs I've ever seen of a group in history from 21 and over to coast to coast to liquidation. And then after that is when you made the rap life album. So during that transition, was it kind of weird leaving the comfort of being in a group and like a shit? like I'm about to blow up as a solo artist.

You got, you looked a little bit jiggier. You had the, you feel me, like, it was a little flossier energy around it. Like, what did that feel like at that time? Were you like, I'm about to fucking blow up? But that was, see, the whole thing was when I was with the alcoholics, that was a, how you said? Like, that was a different persona.

Right. That was a different alter ego, I guess. You know what I mean? Like, the rap life shit, I call myself flashy, tassie and all this shit and everything. That's the real me, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like nice shit and this and that. The alcoholics was just so much fun

You know what I'm saying Like you ain't I always come to shows in beach shorts And flip fly You know what I'm saying They just have fun Spray beer with motherfuckuckus D-D die do all this crazy shit

And I thought that that's That was my That was my hip hop right there You know what I'm saying That was my underground shit right there But then When I started getting older and everything And I realized that

I could do other shit You know what I'm saying Just like the shit with Carl Thomas Like you probably would have never heard that On the alcoholics album You know Never Carl Thomas You know

The shit with LV You know That's amazing So I had all this shit I wanted to say and do and all this and everything. That's what that flashy task. It just took off, man. Hold on, quick question.

When you said, my weed is gone. I broke it up to go get a light from LP. Was that a real story? LV. Yeah, Chicago. Oh, you said LV. That's why you said not LP. Yeah.

So that actually happened in Chicago. They took your weed? Yes. I had to tell them up. And tell us the story real fast. Just real quick. Whatever I said on the rap, that's what the fuck. I don't remember who the motherfucker was.

I said, I gotta say some about this shit, man. Yo, I thought that was fire because I always wanted to know if that happened to you. I thought it was a real story too. You was, man. You can't make the shit up like, you could. No, no, it was good. People recognized early in the industry

that you had a propensity for lyrics which led you to doing some ghost writing, which included writing Lil Bow Wow's first ever rap. Let me find this shit. Right, right. Wait, man, let me hear about it. Okay, listen, I'm going to tell this story while I find this shit.

Insert it to the question, Q. Because I'm really, I just want to, I just want to, let's see, listen to me. There's nothing. I'm not coming at, nobody, hold up, with a little bow wow. Did you write that? Little bow wow. You wrote a five-year-old bow wow bars. Let me put Arsenio Hall.

Five-year-old bow wow bars. Okay, this is what happened. Like I said, we're from Columbus, Ohio, right? Okay. Okay, here we go. I know everybody's seen this, right? Oh my God, look at tiny bow wow This rap right here

Y'all got to put it on the screen right there Little tiny bow wow They might have to edit this one Okay look Oh my god Remember this on my studio? This time, man Yeah

I can hear it I hear it I hear it I hear the flow First of all I don't know how this little man was He's cussing But this is what happened

I lived in California They lived in Ohio Right He's who just pops in moms I guess I used to go back to Ohio, go to Columbus every summer to take these demo. I mean, I take the demos, but I go see my grandmother and all this type of shit. And I take a demo

that me and Swift made every summer and I would sell it, do whatever, with my boy DJ Wiz, rest in peace. And the bottom line is I had this song called Stiles, right? And the song starts over and go, Style One, nigger, because I'm conscious as a newbie in. I da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da because of Sis I'm trying to do me in. There's some crazy

like shit like that, but I went style two, style three, style four. Shit that a six-year-year-old cannot write. You know what I'm saying? Right. And so the demo leaked up. He's still not right. What you mean?

The demo got around Columbus and all this shit. And then Mia Swift was kicking back one night. And there's a longer story than this, right? But the whole thing is that my boy Will called me and said, you ain't going to believe this shit. He said, you remember the little boy I was telling you about it that could rap and everything? Because I think he came by with his pops when I was in town or something like that. The bottom line is he said, man, Snoop Dog, just signed a little boy, man, off your rap. And I said, what?

He said, yeah, he came to Columbus. Snoop dog heard him backstage. His pop said, my son could rap. Snoop said rap. And he said, Joe shit. And I didn't believe him. I said, okay, well, you know, good for him. And everything is a five, what I'm going to do to a five-year-old?

You know what I'm saying? Whatever. You know, I'm trying. I'm trying to drink it and shit. I wasn't even too. Plus, we own now. It's like, no, this right before the alcohol. Right.

You didn't care about it. I didn't. Wait, so this isn't even ghost writing. This is straight. Thievery. Yeah, they stole my shit. Yeah. But the whole thing was that I didn't believe it until a month.

He told me that the little boy got signed this and this and that. And I said, congratulations. That's cool. He got to, you know. It didn't make sense at the time. Okay, you said my rap. Why do we keep hearing these stories, man? But the whole thing is that we was in LA and Snoop.

I mean, I, yeah, Snoop was on Arsenio. So we were going to watch this shit anyway. Snoop popping right now, you know? Then he said he has a little boy from Columbus, Ohio. So we definitely tuned in. And then my boy, Wiz called me and say, hey, man, what time is it out there? Because our senior comes on earlier, I guess, on the East Coast or whatever or something. He said, you got to watch this.

You got to watch Arseil. And me and Swift this out there He didn't tell us why or this or that And as soon as I saw that He spit my whole shit On ascending you. How do you feel when you heard that? I didn't know how to be he's a five-year-old

I don't know what to do I ain't gonna beat him out You're like It basically Trump feels so bad I think he was higher drunk or something I couldn't believe it You know what I'm saying

And the whole thing is that I never pursued it I try to tell him I'll take the truth I was in Miami And I try to tell bow this story One time And that's fucking what happened

He had security guards and shit. You know what in him? And it was like, I was having a favorite. I was, hey, man, you don't say all in the ear, there's a club. That's crazy. So we couldn't hear what I was saying. And I just realized that that wasn't the right time to tell the whole story. So I just walked away or whatever the fuck.

You know? But the whole thing, there's, as Swift probably still got this demo, you could play them next to each other. But the whole thing is that I never got to thank. That was really his introduction to the world. That's crazy. You know what I know who this little boy was until Arsenio Hall, 1993

Is it 93? Yeah, 93. You heard it here first, man. You ain't heard this in another interview anywhere else. And it'd be cracking ever since for Bawa. And you know what I want to say, though, is Shouts to Bawa.

Yes. Because, no, not only because what, you know, whatever. Like, I'm just saying. I just want him to know the truth about his history. Yeah, yeah. He's five anyway.

So this is not like a shot at him. But I want to say Shouts Out to Bowowow because he's actually contributed to Battlewrap and he's actually put on an event for battle rap, probably a couple. He actually did some shit for battlewhip. I give Bawa respect because he contributed to our art form and he didn't like cake off it or do any no crazy shit.

Like he did it for the fun of it because he actually liked it. Shouts out the John. BOWS He did off the culture. And shouts out that John's on the Don, too. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, that's how that all happened. I think that's his cousin, right? I mean, I know that's how that whole thing happened.

So like I'm just saying shouts out to that whole situation just because they have shown respect to the art form and they actually contributed. So, you know what I mean? But that's a crazy story. And if you listen to him, he cussing like a motherfucker saying, nigger cussing. Yeah, he's the craziest five-year-old ever. No, I'm saying. Right here.

But he was crazy in general when he was coming up in the videos. Like, he looked like a grown man when he was young, braided up and all. It made me feel good. It made me feel good. You know what I'm saying? It made me feel good. It was dope. I talked to his dad one time, too.

I don't really know what was up with him. But he called me or I called him or something like that. And I was going to try to tell him the story. I think he was drunk, too, or something. But he started. yelling off top and shit like I was coming at you for some money or something I was like first of all I don't even know him you know what I'm saying and I don't know how I got in touch with him but he just was off top bitter than the motherfucker he was like the fuck you talking about

this shit I'm like look dude you know what these are my bars yeah I think I hung up for some shit but that got nowhere but so with this platform right now at least niggas know the real story you know it's um not an exciting one but no it is we hey we we we no that's fire that's crazy. That's a good story. I remember I was out sitting on swift cows when I saw this. I mean, you technically say my wife. You technically can say this because we believe that content is king, man. You technically gave him his breakthrough. You know, you can say it's Arceal Hall and whoever the

hell is behind it. I don't want none but a, I don't want nothing but for motherfuckers to know the story. That's it. Yeah, man. Shouts out to Tash, man, for breaking through bow wow, man. You heard it here first. My content is king, man. Without the content, you can't make it, man. We know the machine was behind it. But come on, man. Back to the bars, man. The bars, this is where it started. With that being said, on top of that, there's another person that got their start in the industry rocking with you as well. It's come to my attention that Wack 100, his first industry

gig ever was working with the Licks. Yeah, well, as matter of fact, check this out. I text J-bo last night. My boy got a dangerous-ass phone. Y'all see that man. He keeps going. Hey, man, check this out, bro. He got everything. And he got an android. That's a real life sociopath right there. I talked to Jayro last night and I said, Jero. I said, we like, why used to kick with us every day?

But I don't remember how I know, like where I met him at, you know what I'm saying? Okay. So that's, you said, but you said, uh, J-Ro from Pekoyama though, so it makes sense. That's the connection. And hold on, hold up. Jay-roll hit me back. And I said, where do we exactly? Because I just see him at Wolfhouse.

And there'd be us corrupt. He used to be, um, shout out to, um, draw. I mean, I tried out to, who else was up there? There's a lot of people up there, hump, a bunch of people, whatever. But as Jayroll, I said, you know, because Mac, aside from all the talking and all this shit, Wax is a good person, man. You know what I used to know him, kick it with him, this and that, and, you know, and this and that. Some people who've got things to say about him and shit, I don't be getting in it all that.

I mean, when you were in the spotlight, man, it's going to be a bunch of everything. Yeah, but, you know, it's, um, but anyway, this would Jayroll replied to me. I just ask exactly where did we meet like what whack at and they won't know's he way more than I do you know what I'm saying yeah but we're with each other every day but he said whack he came to chill with us till with me and Wolf the day he got out meaning got out of jail it says I took him to I's house that same day it says a few days later we had a show at USC and a few days later we had a show he he was on stage with us I said USAC doing security.

The whack was? Yes, it says, but he started throwing the fans off the stage. He said, I told him that probably wasn't the right job for him. It says he always gives us a props for giving him his first ever job in hip hop. It's amazing. Okay, that's what it meant. I didn't know what the man gave us the first job. He's tossed and fingers off the stage.

And that's something that's ill about y'all too, is that y'all was like, so y'all performed at a senior prom I went to when I was in 12th grade. Like, y'all performed at a senior prom. Like, y'all was doing a lot of local shows in L.A. Like, y'all were big artists. I want to say

y'all was like the biggest artists that were somewhat accessible. I want to know what the hell. We did, we wrapped it. That's how first met Alchemist. We met Alchemists that is a high school prom or homecoming associate. It was the, I think y'all probably got booked through a 3H the dude that wound up

signing Kanye, he signed dilated. What the hell is the alcoholics doing at a high school prom? Brough. Brough. Right. It was lit. It was lit. Crazy. It was lit. It was lit. It was lit. It wasn't my prime. It was a shorthy. Yeah. That's crazy. But yeah, but anyway, I that went by so quick. I don't want nothing to get misconstrued and everything. Wax the, you know, waxed the homie, man.

And I ain't talked to me in a long time since then. So like you said, I just remember that part. Like when you say, you used to see me, you know, in one way, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like the stuff I hear and everything, I block it. I don't know what's really real and what's not I don't pay attention so I just remember the whack of old they're kind of cast and so so what's next for you man solid what's next for you taj we want to know what what like well actually the smokaholics but we want to let's talk about the smokeaholics but I want to talk about after that rash shit actually this

this is my clothes company as a part of it's called live victorious clean out these are nice man that's these are full you got the top tablerone boxes I'm talking about that. You went overseas, huh? But this is the, this the smokerholics. You know how everybody evolves, you know what I'm saying? Like, we can't be the 50-year-old junk. I think it's amazing that, yeah, that you, you, it's crazy how you

rebranded it, but you still kept crazy, man. This is genius, I think, like, because you could have just did, like, some other smoking shit, but you actually kept the alcoholics branding even the way it looks, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's crazy. We call on this, too. There ain't no gimmick, man. You know, we promote.

this, you know, shout out to my squad over there. Smok-Hawls, man. Are these rolling papers right here? Shout out, smirk and everything. No, these is, these is, what are these. What are these? Let me show to you, quick. This is, uh, this is, nah, that one's empty.

It's like this, though. This is what people trip off. Oh, yeah, they, they're gonna feel. Oh, yeah, you've got a joint in there. But I don't know if you can see that. See that white strip right there? Yeah. That's the cocaine right there.

I see you got hype. Yeah, I got hype. Lauer. I'm naturally on Coke, man. If I smoke that, I'll die. These are smoking all coke. three rolls right here we got to uh so we we come infused we got the garlic what is it so you got like keef in there wax or some shit scottie that's t h a h a h a white see may y'all into some other shit now

man i just smoke weed man regular weed man right off the plane jet fuel gelato but you know so what what is that what is uh uh t h a or whatever you just said it's like keith but but what does that mean the abbreviation you get asked me too quick man damn uh nah t hs is it's like t h a it's like t h a We don't even know what we spoke anymore. I don't even know what we're saying. T-HA, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, T-HA.

You think I'm bullshit. That's really what it is. D. You think I'm fucking up. No, I don't. I'm pretty sure this shit firing it'll put you on your ass. I'm just saying. Alexa, what a T-H-A?

Yeah, right? Man, that's crazy. Yeah, no, the smokaholics branding is crazy. So as far as raping, man, like, what kind of projects you got there? I'm going to do this album. bust that bust that bust that

bust that and then yeah yeah now tell us about the record uh basically like I said um um

I tell the story a lot now but uh about about five six months ago I was doing a podcast right and somebody was going

through the whole drinking thing and you know how you feel and blah blah blah and it was a trip because he asked me

a question on the spot that meant a lot he was like he was like you're looking good you're looking healthier You're looking, you know, like you got the shit together, this and that. There's a lot of fucked up years I could see, you know what I mean, this and that.

You had a couple of bad seasons and shit. What do you regret the most out of them time period, you know? And really, the answer I gave them was, because I thought about it, I was like, you know, all the shit that we got, materialistic shit, chains and cars and boats. I mean, I had just kids, all this shit, you can get all that back, you know what I'm saying? You get your looks back, hit the gym, do whatever. But you can't get back to time, you know what I'm saying? So what I did, I'm gonna, basically, I'm gonna call my new album.

It's gonna be called Wasted, right? So you go see the big ass wasted. Then in parentheses, it's gonna say, time. You know what I'm saying? Because I want you get your attention, just like we always did with the swamaholics, alcoholics, whatever. That's attention-getter. That's another genius branding right there.

When I start telling these stories, I'm gonna start telling them from the other side of the bottle. You know what I'm saying? All the fun and partying, Vegas, you know, stripper bitches and all this shit, that's fun once in a while, you know what I'm saying? But when that becomes like your everyday and what you're old day, like you just say, you look better and shit, you know what I'm saying? That's from all that wasted time.

How did I used to look, man? Yeah, I'm still looking back at some old photos. A lot of people would tell me that like, damn. You said I was taking the compliment, God damn. You tried to act like I was crazy to even saying that. Hey, my fuckers always be doing that, man. Take the compliment, man. We're telling you you look young again, Taz.

You look like a star again. Well, like 12 people a week tell you that. That's different. No, but. There's some change. I totally understand. I overstand. I understand how that feels.

Yeah, but waste of time is coming. You know, like I said, this Livitorious is on my mind. Shout out to Ducks and everybody, you know, Vegas. It's a Vegas brand company, but, I mean, it started in Vegas, but, you know, it's doing real good. So that's your brand? Yeah, I'm co-a-old. You're a co-owner in that brand. It was started before me, but I really like this.

All right. Let's get that package going, man. Two and them looks nice. Two and them. It's coming. We got leather. It's not constant. Two and them things.

Go. And somebody hacked our shit too, man. So please go to Live Victoria's on IG. As simple as that. Live victorious. Yeah, come on. You know, since we're a battle rap podcast, in fact, the coolest battle wrap podcast in the world, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you a battle-related question, especially because...

It's about casual. Come on. Two of the best lyricists in the West Coast, L.A., Oakland. I fuck with. both of y'all on multiple levels. What happened with you and casual from higher old, bro? What's going to? Y'all making

distracts back and forth? Ask him. I don't know, man. Y'all making distrax. Yeah. I mean, basically, I went on just always a drink champ and shit. Right? Yeah. Did you watch it? Of course. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I know you're on there. Did you hear anything I said about all I'm trying to do is that everybody was saying everybody's getting his versus money, right?

Right. So the dude asked me, EFN, shout out EFN to. the hummy um eFn asked us and we asked me um who we like to do a versus with right but we had just talked about this before we was on the air and everything and i i was choosing our names and shit and oh that's a good one you know what i mean and this and that so when he brought up the hieroglyphics and all that i was thinking in my head that that might be a good one because we're the same you know time after the time 93 to infinity we came out of 93 all that type of shit so basically me and cats was on tour um i forgot the name of the motherfucker but not the red cup tour that some other

tour. But like me and him this, I can't, I can't, you know, it's like he gave me bad vibes the whole time and shit. Like, I'm party down over here. You over there doing whatever he do. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at him like, I don't know if I'm hanging around this dude because, you know, but he's still my boy though. He's still my homie and shit. I ate dinner at his crib with his people and, you know, we go back, you know, just through the hip hop circuit. But whatever I said, it was a competitive, you know, thing. I say, yeah, and I got a rap already for casual, which I did, you know what I'm saying? Oh shit.

So he took that as, it was just a, I don't know, he took it wrong and shit. So he put out some bullshit ass like he freestyled a verse about me that making up all kinds of shit and, you know, there ain't no battling to me, you know what I'm saying? Your imagination is going wild, my nigga, and this and that. But I never even heard his rap. Somebody played it for me on the phone, but it just so happened that I was with my boy Duce and was in the studio and black silver. And they was like, you're going to let that shit slide?

And I was like, that nigga ain't even worth it. And everything. They was like, you're going to let that shit slide? And so I dropped this shit called Kazahoe Instead of Casual It's called Casahoe And they called me You know

I mean they hit me in the DMs We put a video out and everything They made it take it down Man because you know it was a It was very disrespectful I'm gonna tell you all like this We got our platform GTX What's that?

That's our battle rap league The event you was just at the other day I know you know What? I'm gonna tell you all I would love to facilitate Tash versus casual Gtgis.

Would you be down to do an acapella thing without a beat? What's that win now? No, I'm saying. I'm saying in the motherfucking battle, Tadda. I'm saying. If we set up a battle with you like in someone like casual. Only if you let me, let me practice with you.

Oh, yeah, yeah. We have practiced, but. No, listen, though. Listen, because I'll probably have an event the same time. We aspire, but look, if you could, if you comfortable rapping without a beat, you would kill shit. Because I already know you got the capacity for bars. All you got to do is be comfortable rapping without a beat.

That's another thing I noticed about you, which are battles and shit. You loud as a mullough. Like the dude was about the other day. I'm sitting in the VIPs. I can hear because I went closer so I can hear what he would say. I was like, I can't hear him. And everything. Then you come on, like a jolly rancher.

And all these shit, I was like, ah, man, this is about a, this battle over with what started. Yes, I got him to coat one of my bars after coding all of his shit my whole life. Oh, because, no, whatever. That was a dope-ass battle. It was the first time I bent up and close to a battle of that magnitude. Right. It feel different. Well, yeah.

So, so, like, basically. But you asked him a good question, though, about the, about the acapella thing, because I feel like your flow, which is one of your biggest strengths, is so geared to, like, carving these unique pockets. Yes. Beats. You know what I mean? I feel like you would be good, like, because you just, you have pauses. If you have a lot of pauses, you can make it in acapella because that's all it's about.

You got to pause, sir. That's what the, that's what the acapella shit is about. You got to find your own pockets. There's no, there's no tempo. You got to create one in your head. And cash is my man's, I function with, that's the cutty right there. I would, I'll set that up, get y'all both a bag. But my battle is big, my battle rides be back.

Well, actually, I'll just have a fun. You want here what I said about? Yeah. Okay, this is what I did. I dropped this over the tip of the over the Timberland beat but you probably ain't gonna be able to hear it, but I'll just give him a quick 20.

Anyway, that's it going for like hell alone. The thing is like you're rapping, like you're, you're, that you already got the concept of the punch punch back to back. You're wasting no time. You're like, da-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-tta-

that's the thing. But see, y'all probably looking at this like we're rapping like we're eight-mile or some shit. No, because we understand how time works, Tash. Like, it was a different time period. That's hard for that time frame. Like, now that sounds different. But I bet you if I said this, I'm saying.

People were rhyming Winnebago with a bunch of fucking shit back then, bro. Like, I'm telling you. But the thing is this, though, like, too, like, to me, the way that y'all get down in the, in the rap game with battles is distracks. You feel me? I'm a fan of the. That's how we feel. That's how we feel about the shit. generally. That was the first record that

I mean, rap I ever recorded a diss about, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I never heard you do that. I wouldn't even think about that motherfucker like I ain't got no bad feelings about him. I just know I can rap better than any. Listen, man, that's hip hop. No, you talking to shit right now. Hey, casual man, what's up? He's going to spy here. Yeah, because look, bro, Lush

made a point, man, because we we're a platform for raw hip hop, right? So the only way we're going to allow anybody on this, platform if they're real fucking lyricist we don't give a fuck if you rap or sold records or none of that you guys are fucking lyricists and you had an issue

maybe it's not an issue anymore but maybe it didn't get closure I don't even know what he talked about this is new okay so right now right now okay so look there's no closure for this so if if we could get you guys to settle it

like real lyricist without a third party you know what a third party is a third party is a third party is a fucking beat. We don't want a third party. We want Tadge versus casual. You know what I'm saying? That's it.

There's no influences. I don't want to hear your engineer. I don't care who could put together the best shit. We just want to hear you guys bar out. And I feel like it's fair because, bro, it's a genius idea because look, none of you have a disadvantage. Both of you don't battle.

There's no excuse for this. And y'all both... We might have to talk about this. Like, casual fire, you fire. That should be crazy, bro. I'm definitely... going on the card with us on you know what that's what i'm saying we got a big announcement soon maybe we can facilitate the business is right we definitely not opposed to that like there's

it's dope to see where you at now it's dope to see like to reflect back um literally like so um my auntie um used to work actually still work for dan acroyd and um you know dan acroyd used to own the House of Blues. So the House of Blues was back in the 90s most poppin venue for hip hop shows in L.A. Dan Ackway owned the House of Blues? I used to terrorize in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to terrorize it. So I was 15 years old. I was an 18 and over venue. But because of my aunties, Jugg, I was able to go and get my partners in and see shows. So I

seen y'all and Buster Rhymes. And it's crazy because the black eyed peas opened up for y'all. Like before, like when they was passing out their demo tape, like I got a copy of the demo tape that had joints and jams and falling up and all that. They, their first. And it was right when y'all put out liquidation. This was probably what, 9-6, 97 around that time. And it was the best live show I ever seen in my life to this day.

It was an incredible show. Another alcoholic fun fact, Will I Am gave me the most money I ever got for a feature. So shout out to Will Motherfucking I Am. Hey, well, shit, before we go, I wanted to, Say, I got a care package from the homie, man, got some alcoholics gear. You already know, man, some real shit right here. Yeah, so I might steal that hat. Man, that's a fire-ass shit, man.

Got the original shirt. You already fucking know, man, that's some amazing shit right here. And I got the stickers. I used to stick these all everything in their mama, man. Put this everywhere, bro. This shit was all everywhere. I feel some type of way that you ain't bring another care package, bro. I feel some type of way.

I got you, bro. Come on. I got the plan. We shared, man. Me a less sheriff. He got you, though. That's all I love. A lot of sitting in there.

Tell everybody. Hey, that shit fired. Well, listen, this has been an amazing podcast, man. I'm glad we got to chop it up with you. We got to hear some shit we didn't even expect to. We learned a lot of shit that we didn't know, man. And it's good to, like, indulge on our history. You know how much we respect our West Coast shit, too.

Like, this is, like, amazing for us to hear, you know, how you came up and just where you're at right now. And hopefully we can work with you on that other thing, you know what? What about how about this, though? You give me a straight yes or no. We got two names to sound like some shit, disaster, catastrophe. Yeah, what you try to do? You want to do some? Easy call, man.

That's all you said. Come on, man, come on. We got to do something. And you know what? That's something that would make me really take making a song serious. We sit down and do it together. Let's get it, man. Making it happen, captain.

Well, shit, man. You just went full circle on this episode, man. else we want to say, man, if you want to plug in some shit, man, you already know, follow us on all the socials and on Twitter Godtier podcast. Straight up, man, we're trying to build this shit for y'all. Can I say more content? Yeah, go ahead. I just want to say this.

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