No Jumper - Teejayx6 on Being a Scam Pioneer, Falling Off, Punchmade Dev Beef, Kasher Quan & More

Episode Date: January 20, 2024

Teejayx6 talks about his rise, his legendary freestyles with Adam, giving the sauce to Kasher Quan then parting ways, making new music, and more. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And we're officially running it back. It's been a long time that I've been wanting to catch up with this man and see exactly where you were at in life and everything. Since obviously anyone who remembers, I don't know, 2018 remembers that we really set the internet on fire with like your first ever interview back in the day. And it's been kind of a wild ride since then.

My man, TjX6, is in the building. We're back, man. How are you feeling? Great. It's time to go. You look like you're about to go jog and try to, like, drop some weight with the hoodie up and the shiasty and everything. Hey, yeah, I'm chilling. What's this the look about?

See, I'm just trying to stay low-key in L.A. You know how I get in a day, especially 20-24. Even during the interview. Exactly. What are you worried about in New York? Or in L.A., sorry. None. You think you got opposite?

here? Nah. You said in one song you killed like seven of your ops. They out here? T.J. What's going on, bro? Shit, man. But the hot back in this music, shit, I've been chilling off the scene. Nobody's been really seeing me.

But it's time again, feel? Right. So let's like break all this down chronologically, just so we got the whole story here. So bring me back to like what it was like for you when the music started cracking off. for the first time? It was just good. It was like a good feeling because I really worked for it. Like, it was really dropping music.

At that time, I was staying consistent in the studio, shit like that. But it really all paid off. Who are you influenced by? Because I feel like at that time, my knowledge of, like, Detroit music was pretty limited. So we felt like what you were doing was totally like something 1,000% brand new. Whereas, like, now having, like, listen to a lot more. Detroit music and Flint music and stuff.

I can kind of like see some of your your influences more. Yeah, most definitely. I can definitely say that. I ain't going to say I paved away, but I definitely had a, what's the word, like a big pardon plan in the scene for today. But who are you with? Because there's a nice, like, history of scam rap preceding you in Detroit.

Like who kind of, like, set you off on that path? Nobody really, like, I really wasn't, like, nobody's, nobody else was really lit. rapping about scamming, but cashed wine, but that shit was dead. By the time I already started rapping. Okay. About it. Right.

So, I mean, it was kind of crazy. Like, where do you feel like that style came from? Because you had a lot of different things going on, even just besides the scam thing, where you were just kind of freaking the ends of your bars and just, like, kind of changing your voice and going out of your way to, like, not rhyme slash to rhyme the same word a bunch of times in a row. Like, where do you feel like a lot of that? came from I know it's just I guess my rapist style but I hear it a lot today that's what's

crazy I hear it in a lot of Detroit music today a lot of buzz and people today feel like that so yeah I feel like I had a part in planning it so that I'm grateful for that you know what I mean I made my money from it I did what I did with it so that's cool so what was going on your mind when you came out to do the no jumper interview like because because you definitely had a plan in place before you came through to do that you talking about this one No, the prior one back in the day. It really wasn't no plan. I was just trying to do an interview.

That was really my first interview ever I did. So I was just trying to do an interview, really. That's what it was. My memory of it was that you did the whole interview, and the whole time you're saying crazy shit. Like you're saying that you're never going to stop scamming for the rest of your life, no matter how popular you becoming music. I remember you talking about watching people kill themselves in the red rooms.

shit like that like just I don't know just like a lot of stuff that kind of felt like damn like this dude is Either like joking or insane was like how I felt about it while I was sitting there and then I remember As soon as you got done the interview you go up to your manager propane at the time and you're like We got her like that was so I get hard like you were hyped yeah because it was just like it was a hard interview what you mean? I know you went crazy I knew yeah, yeah, I knew yeah I knew what it was gonna do but it was like at that moment that I realized like oh every moment during that interview where you were saying some that I could I was like is he serious I'm like oh he's not serious he's controlling me no I was dead serious but I don't think I okay so you're telling me that you

actually plan on scamming for the rest of your life yes I just I can't really like believe that you got to think about it I don't know you probably think of like petty scamming and shit is people like you can live off scamming. It don't have to be scamming taking people money. It can be any other type of scam. Okay. It can be a legal business scam. I would take that interview and put it in the same bucket as what you did like soon after that,

where you had the fake cops come to do the fake arrest during the fucking interview. Not saying that like everything was fake during the interview, but I felt like you were kind of like trolling me and like hyping shit up and saying shit that you knew was not necessarily true, but it would be viral, which doesn't even seem like that foreign of a concept because now we live in the age of OnlyFans girls doing that exact same shit where they go on podcasts and act like they're crazy nymphomaniacs

Even though they're not now we're used to it But I felt like you were very early on that wave of like Trying to get viral moments And crazy viral clips by just overdoing it Yeah, I feel that yeah, that's true. Okay I feel that I understand it Right I mean there might even if I were to go rewatch it

There might be like better examples of like some of the crazy ass shit that you were saying in that thing But they just kind of just had a little shocked at the moment. But so where did that shit come from in terms of like even one that get fake arrested at your show to create some hype and shit? It was just like a marketing scheme at the time. Like, because like I said, like you said, I came on an interview talking about the scam. I really would.

I really scam, but it's just like that's genius. My first show had the cops arrest me. And it did what it did. It did with what I expected it to do. And it took me to the next level. So when did things kind of start to? get fucked up because it felt like after that you know you had this like big meteoric rise well maybe we should even talk more about like just like signing and

shit so what was the decision to sign to Atlantic around that time um shit it was just like a it was just it was just a good situation like you feel me I ain't had to put out as much music as I wanted to I was chilling I don't know why I don't know why I went inconsistent though I feel like that's where I f*** up I shouldn't went inconsistent and shit like that but yeah it was a good it was a good deal you feel me like I did what I did like I said I made the money I did what I did it's cool like we in a new era now that's 20-21st time for some new other shit lead that in the past it's kind of crazy though because I feel like that was the time period where the labels were just so I swear so thirsty

to find the next thing that they were like they saw your shit they're like this is new it's interesting boom we're gonna give you a million dollars tell you I know that's I feel like that cheap now from what I hear. Well, no, they're actually giving people more money. Really? Yeah, they're giving people more money. I know a few Detroit artists who got a big bag, like,

BEMs. Like, I don't know how, but they're doing that shit. They barely got views. I barely got like 10 million, 15 million views. We're getting $2 million. It really don't make sense. But so what? You started to get lazy after that because you were comfortable?

Not lazy. Yeah, I can say that. I can admit that. Yeah, I was probably like a little comfortable because that's a lot of money. I feel like that shit was just never going to I just feel like it was going to be in a vacant car forever And so you started spending there like crazy?

Yeah What were you doing? Dumb shit, man Everything that you could All the dumb shit that you could possibly think of It's a lot of lean and perks No, no, I don't know A lot of Basanovas

Type shit So you're easy good Clothes Girls Got to have new ameres every day Dumb What kind of what were you doing with the And the girls what do they need money for you just buy and hookers? No, I was just no like girls just having girls around and shit like that and then eventually you kind of got to spend money like that yeah

Like that but how long were you even in LA after that or did you head back to the Detroit soon after? No, I actually stayed in LA I think I was in I actually started living in that way Yeah, so like two months and then I went back to Detroit and you stopped scamming during this time period? Kind of What, there's just some scams that are just too good to let go? Yeah, yeah, basically. Just too simple, too foolproof? They're missing out on money. Like, it's pointless.

There's no reason to be missing out on free money when you know you can do it. Well, the reason to miss out on free money would be because you want to avoid going to jail. I'm not doing nothing that because send me to jail, though. You weren't? Nope. What kind of scam?

Not saying that I want you to admit to it, but what kind of scam would be able to make you a significant amount of money, but then there's no chance if you get in trouble? Shit. shit I don't know probably Instagram scamming catfishing and shit like that little petty money and shit

See okay I remember I think it was Loliotti And I don't know if he said it on camera or off camera But I remember like when you started popping out And he's somebody who got arrested For scamming at the very beginning of his career Which I think he kind of like tries to cover up Because he don't love talking about it or anything

But he's somebody who I remember when you were coming out I forget if he said it to me or if he said it like on an interview or some shit But he said that like A lot of your stories didn't make sense and that a lot of the scams that you were talking about were basically like mega low level shit that people who are really in the scamming world wouldn't necessarily respect people in the scamming world respect two or ones and swiping and cloning cars like people do that like that's not

no low level scamming people do that shit today and making real money from it okay but when I see the kind of scams that you were notorious for doing a lot of it was the shit of like scamming your fans hey Give me $100. I'll give you this cash app, all this shit. Are you saying that shit came later? Because that to me is like the most bottom of the barrel scam. The thing is, the thing is, I've been doing that. It's just, I guess people, I never scam my fans.

I've been doing that. It's other people like, it's not fans. Basically, it's just not fans. It's just followers and people who, other people from other countries, PayPal payments and all the type of people. So you could tell who's a real fan? Basically. I feel like you just don't scam like fellow black people.

You're probably scamming hell of Asians and Mexicans. Everybody. Really? Everybody. Everybody. What's the most gullible race? Probably yours. But don't you think that the white kids are like the real fans who are kind of

hyped to get scammed? Like they're not that mad about it? Yeah. Like, they actually probably be happy to get scammed by me or some shit. Right. Yeah. Damn. That would be like if he bought some fake coke off Young Scooter.

You'd be like, Dan, like he does rap about that. No, but I mean, he raps about how. having dummy bricks and fake work and shit sometimes. So I feel like if I bought a fake eight ball off scooter, I'll be like, all right. He rapped about it. You told me you were going to do that. Damn, that's crazy though.

Well, yeah, let me tell everybody. Everybody go follow my Instagram, T-J-X-6-New. T-E-E-J-A-Y-6-N-E-W. Right. No, because, like, hearing you talk about doing those Instagram scams made me realize that I have, like, quite a few friends who are basically doing that shit, except that they will, like, have a clothing line

and then be like they'll drop a whole line and then people send them hundreds of thousands of dollars and then they like barely send the shit out maybe they send some of it out but they're basically just racking up a million complaints I say like I know a lot of people who are basically in the situation and I don't really know if they do it on purpose

or they're just so unprofessional that people just never get their orders but I mean that's I know it's definitely clothing brands like that bro there's a few clothing brands I order from and never got the shit right that's like doing an NFT scan of like you know you get all these.

people to invest money into it and then you just dip out it's kind of like that you ever get into the nfts worth no i was trying to look into it i really never understood it though so i never just put my money into it so i'm not going to lie we probably made like 50 grand off posting nfti ads on the no jumper account and i always kind of felt bad about it because how do you like like what is the how do you get the money they would just hit us up like hey we'll give you two grand to post about this nfts on the no jumper account i'm like all right you know and i kind of felt bad because it's like damn like is anyone gonna fall for this but then at the same time you're like

if you fall for this year it's like it's like doing an ad for anything else like I don't know I mean when I watch a video and somebody's advertising some some crazy pill that's supposed to do something I'm not ordering I don't fall for it

I accept that there's an ad for something that's stupid in the middle of this shit it's kind of like a scam right wait so how did your Instagram account get deleted when did that happen That shit happened like 2021 Like the end of 2021

What were you doing? I was supposed to like gore and shit Look stupid shit I don't know what I was doing People dying Yeah basically Just funny shit People getting stabbed and shit

I guess it's funny to some people The shit was Well you were posting it I know that's what I'm saying She was getting a lot of life No because there's like a lot of people Who were doing that like I remember Freddy Gibbs lost his Instagram

And I'm pretty sure that he was just posting Like crazy fights and just stupid shit. It's like it's funny and it'll make a lot of people look at your story, but then also like at some point, boom, it's going to trigger a warning or whatever. And so, okay, the Instagram goes away. And did that feel like it killed your fucking momentum?

Like you weren't able to get any energy on the songs and shit anymore? Yeah, yeah. And then like, duh, imagine having, imagine you having, how much followers you got on Instagram? 1.5 million. Exactly. Imagine having going back to zero. And you can't get the page back, though.

Oh, yeah. That would be sick. Sounds rough. You tried super hard to get it back and didn't work? I tried to pay. I spent like $3,000 on getting it back with people, never got it back. Really? Wasted $3,000 and all types of.

I mean, that was the era right then, too, where everybody was losing their Instagram. I remember that shit. Remember? Yeah, a lot of people was just... Every only fan's girl I knew was losing it. I remember. Everybody shit was getting deleted. And it feels like it's not really like that anymore.

Yeah, nobody's shit really getting deleted nowadays. Right, I feel you got to really fuck up to lose that shit now. That was the era where, where like Blueface lost it, Sada baby lost, just NLE chop, everybody. Yeah, that was weird.

Now that I think about it, I ain't even, now that I think about all them people did lose that shit. That was the era where I would know people who would hit me up

and be like, yo, like, I can get anyone's Instagram deleted for this much money or whatever. And I never did it, but I would hear about other people doing it

and it like actually was working. And then those people, those same people would be paying and get it back and back and forth. because I'm just surprised that you didn't know people in the hacker world who are able to help you navigate. I do. That's what I'm saying. I spent $3,000.

It's just like, I guess they can't get the shit back. Some of these only fans girls are spending like 50,000 like back and forth over and over. Well, okay, if you got your page. But if you can, if you're down to pay 10 grand to get your Instagram back, for sure somebody's going to take it down and try to get 10 grand from you again to get it back. That's smart.

Yeah. Good scam. So what? You just like, so did the money slow down a lot after you lost Instagram? No, not really, because I got telegram still, so. Okay. That just wasn't making as much as I was making. So you have a telegram group, and that's where you're selling methods and all this type of shit?

I got all the type of stuff. I got Discord groups, telegram groups, all type of shit. Okay. And how do you get people to join them? And then what are they doing in these groups? We're just like teaching each other shit. We're just teaching each other methods, teaching each other new ways, sports betting, teaching, sending each other picks

All the type of shit Picks? Sports betting picks But I feel like that's This cap, right? It's like almost impossible To win in the long term Yeah, it's like

Well, not in the long term It's like a 50-50 chance I don't know How some people get the exact picks and shit That shit kind of weird It's like rigged or something I don't know Okay

I feel like most people Who are selling picks online Or scamming but I mean That makes sense Giving them out, I don't know Maybe they have insider information That we don't know They got a friend in the locker room

So at what point during all this you fall out with cashier? Shit. Like 2021 into 2020. No, shit. 2020. I don't think about it. So it didn't take long after you signed him for you guys to fall out. That I tell you, right.

Why do you think that was? He just, you got to think about it. He's been rapping for like 11 years. I've been rapping for half that. So I did everything that he wanted to do, made the money that he wanted to do. dude took his spot so he just like bitter that's really what it is he won't tell you but that's really what it is do you think that you got signed and got all this money and you got the recognition because you were just like a younger better-looking version of him no you don't think that there was any

because a lot of times this shit happens and it's like like like i like chief keef and little Reese and all them they were all rapping kind of the same but chief keef kind of had like the look he had the hair and his face and shit so better music yeah i mean do you feel like there was just like little things that made people more attracted to you. I feel like you did you did a better job playing the like scammer role than him, I guess. And you kind of came out first before him. I feel like a lot of people kind of fell in love with the, the duo aspect that y'all had. Right.

Yeah. Not really. Like, I don't think it, well, it has something to do with that, like the whole look or whatever, the way I rap better and shit. Because I'm the one who told him to freestyle. He was writing all his music at first. And it wasn't hitting. It wasn't getting.

He never got a million views until. we made us home. He's never hit a million views. That's the easiest thing to do on YouTube. With music especially, he's never hit that. But man, there was something about it because I was like listening to all the old shit this morning. And

I mean, like dynamic duo and just the energy and that freestyle that y'all did on no jumper together and everything it was just like an energy that when y'all would be rapping together that it would just be a totally different thing. Something special happened. Yeah, I definitely I feel that. I feel that. I feel

the same way. Right. But they'll never get back to that. It'll never get back to that. Because I noticed that on your new mixtape on streaming services that he's on multiple songs. How did that happen? That's like a, that's some old shit. That's some old me. Oh, it's like a re-release. Yeah, it's like an old, some old shit. Why did you decide to do that? Because I'm trying to make all the money for myself now, like, from the streams and trying to make all the money. Who was making the money before? The label? Yeah, they had to recoup. And so they've already recouped and now you're just doing your own thing yeah I'm so I'm I'm I'm independent not but did you really have to buy yourself out like you were saying

for 170 grand yeah but it was I ain't put the whole hundred cents I ain't a lot oh like 30 K still but shit I'm basically out to deal I never hear artists having to pay back the label that's what you got to do that's how if you want to get out your deal that's what you got to do really yeah and so what Atlantic just gave up on you at a certain point or what yeah because I basically like I said I wasn't I wasn't consistent I gave up on the music basically It just got comfortable. So they just saying like, what the fuck are we invested?

What are we putting our time into him for? And I'm not even dropping shit, not even in the studio. Were they trying to, like, set up plays for you and really, like, manage your career? Or did you feel like they were also just not really doing shit and expected you to get hot on your own? No, no, no. They actually was actually looking out and shit. Like, they set up interviews. They set up this.

They set up that. You feel me? Like, they set up the HBO shit. Oh, okay. So, you feel me? So I understand. So the whole. concept of that documentary which for the record I only seen the trailers I didn't see the whole thing but like they they created the whole idea from scratch or they just got you on it

I don't know I don't know because the whole thing was about you for the most right okay damn so they set that up did that did that actually like impact your popularity but shit I'd be getting like older people and shit really that should be crazy wow that is crazy but so like I don't know do you look at that shit now and you're like damn i wish that you had been able to like i don't know like take advantage of all the shit that they were trying to set up for you and everything i did take advantage of everything like i said i just wasn't dropping the music i was doing everything with no music behind it you see me like it's no point what's the point of being a rapper if you're just not dropping no music and i was before that before i signed i was the most consistent

rapper in the damn world right you're putting out like too much music like too much like that shit Crazy. But I'm about to get back to that. It's on that. Yeah, because it's like, I don't know, you're kind of like flooding the system. Do you think that you ever overdid it and just like putting out too much music? It was hard for the fans to pay attention to specific shit at a certain point? For sure. Definitely. You think you kind of overdid it?

Yeah, too much music at one time. Interesting. I was doing like three fucking tapes a month. Right. It's crazy. Young boy ain't even doing that shit. Yeah. But you got to think about it

That's 2019 That's old People doing that now I don't know No I feel like I don't know Anybody really drives that often But like I mean you did have like a different style where Musically it was like the whole

The whole style was kind of based on you just sort of going in the booth And just making a bunch of crazy jokes and noises And it just kept getting more and more abstract and weird As time went by Right I'm done with that shit You're over that. You want to make more like real music?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. I'm so over that. I got way better music now. But you haven't released anything in a while? No. I got a song that leaked.

It got like a honeycan a month. Really? No promo. I ain't post that shit or nothing, but it leaked and got the views. What's it like seeing so many people from Detroit kind of blow up while your shit kind of remains stagnant? Shit, I'm happy for everybody.

I ain't tripping. I know what I'm about to do. You know what I mean? Like I said, I didn't already did what I did. Everybody that's doing it now, I already did it. Do you think your name gets brought up enough, though? Because it's a lot of guys who are older than you.

Like we see, you know, baby face, Ray popping off these and I swear Vezo, et cetera, even like the whole Rio wave out of Flynn, shit like that. But like, I don't know. Like, do you feel like your name comes up enough when they're talking about people who put on for Detroit? No. Because those dudes have been doing it infinitely longer than you. Right, yeah. So they probably, yeah, of course.

They were probably, did you feel like a hater vibe at a certain point from dudes who you kind of like passed up at that point? No, I don't really care. Like, I wasn't really thinking about that. You were just in your own world anyway. Literally. I was just in my own world, just making music. It's about it. Interesting.

So, cashier, like, you guys have kind of going back and forth, this and each other and stuff. And, like, what is the status of that now? Because you gave him, like, 30 grand when you signed, right? And was that just like an acknowledgement of the fact that you had kind of came up in a way that he didn't? No, no, no. That was just like a, that was my man's like that was, I was hanging around him. We was looking out for each other. So I gave him $30,000.

And I promised it to him before I even signed it. Okay. Was he trying to get signed at that time too? And it just wasn't happening? Yeah, yeah. But I actually, I'm the one who got cashed quant a deal. His first deal and his deal now. Who is he signed with now?

create music group or some shit like that oh okay I'm the reason that he got everything he got now I was like was excited about show because you you kind of both had like the same aesthetic like you never really like seen rappers who were popping and were kind of like intentionally dusty like no haircut clothes are looking kind of fucked up and shit so I that almost do you feel like it almost kind of faked it up once you started to get money and you started to get haircuts and shit? I still like getting out of hair cut when I got the money. Really? You feel me? But I don't know, man. I'm leaving all that shit in the past. Like, I'm,

I'm about to come out. I'm going to drop some new music, you feel me? So that's what I'm really, that's really all I'm worried about this year. So the haircut thing, you don't think was really that big a part of the success? Yeah. Because that's one thing you'll never see a rapper without a haircut. Right, right, right. If you see a rapper without their haircut, they'll start, like, covering their head. They're like standing behind something and shit. Like they don't want you to see them like that. I don't know. And that's like one thing.

There's a music video that Dolph did where he was basically like pretending to be like a janitor or some shit. He's like working in like an auto body shop or some shit. And it kind of looks like normal. He just has his hair f***ed up. Rest in peace. But like, you know, that that was all Dolf felt like he had to do in order to look like he was broke. It was just not have a haircut. So that says a lot.

Right, right. I was about to say that. Right, right. Says a lot about how much rappers or people in doulos in general just care about the hair. Yeah. It's kind of weird for me as a white guy where it's like if I didn't get a haircut for three months, nobody really. I mean, honestly, the beard would start to look terrible, but like the hair, like, who cares, right? Do you even get line loops?

I mean, I could. Like I used to get like all the side that taper in and they fucking shape the bag and shit. But it's just like, I don't know. I don't want my haircuts to look too, like, precision. I just don't think I have to do that. just seems like a little too much right I'm an old head I don't need to be like getting a fucking line up with the Puerto Rican like little shape in it like J-main thank you James oh no so you and you and cash are officially like not

speaking at all like do you do you really feel like you have to fight him before you guys could potentially like be on good terms again definitely do you think that'll ever actually happen like yeah it's going to happen like probably because you're going to run into him or are you like going to try to line up a fade? No, I'm probably, I'm just probably running to him. I just want to, I don't know you want to box the next. I want to beat him up for it. Yeah.

What kind of beating are we talking like a couple minutes? Like, would you want him to be unconscious by the time that you walk away? No, I just want to like just beat his ass real quick. Kick him in the ass? No, I just beat his ass, make him bleed. Shit, like, just make him bleed, basically. Just make him bleed, some, show some blood. But is that like hatred towards him?

Or is that just like you want to, settle something that you feel that was done wrong to you. Nothing was done wrong to me. It ain't no hatred, but it just felt like he think he just keep going on the internet and shit, just

saying dumb shit and just trying to be sweet and shit. Anything that they post about Cash & Quint, T.J. 6' name is in it. Right. No other way. Like, any blog or whatever, like, TJ6's name has to be in it. Right. Yeah, I mean, you guys

have, like, just amazing energy together. And that's why it's kind of sad to see the way that things have sort of gone, because it's like the people loved you for being like carefree, exuberant, like childlike. Like, rapping like a kid who just got in the studio and you were rapping for the first time and you were so excited to get these jokes off. And same shit with him. And now it feels like

fast forward a couple years and you guys both are like pretty disillusioned and just kind of you know it's hard it might be hard for you to necessarily get in the studio and come with that kind of like carefree energy yeah i don't even want to do that really yeah well you want to be more serious or not serious just like just make real music that wasn't like it was good music like don't get me wrong it's good music but i just don't want to make that type of music no more do you feel like it was gimmicky yeah definitely had like a gimmick feel to it like if feel like if you when you listen to that you go laugh like oh yeah some shit like that you see

what I'm saying I ain't trying to do that I was driving here by myself listening to the old songs that I heard a hundred times back in the day still laughing my ass off at certain bars certain bars like um I sold a 12 year old kid a weed edible like just just saying that like that's one of the funniest things I could think of for a rapper to say because number one you're describing something that if it were true, which actually I don't even doubt that it's true, but like it's just like the kind of thing that you could get you locked up or you

canceled on Twitter or whatever. Especially now, but it's just like you just so didn't care that you, that's like if I had to like list off a thing that you were doing in your songs that was kind of new, especially was that you would be saying the worst possible things

about yourself to the point where it was clearly not even true, but that was like what made it good was that you were just basically describing yourself as one of the worst people who has ever lived right just doing terrible things and shit like that just for comedic effect slash there being a little bit of truth in it right and like in particular rapping about killing yourself was kind of really like your thing it's great period of time just like kind of constantly that's just like further the furthest you can go when i used to rap when i used to make

them songs i was just thinking like what's the furthest what's the craziest shit i can say Like what's the how far how far can I really go? Right You feel what I'm like so that's really what it was Right like is there anything that you could say in a song That is Would like make them take you off streaming services Some shit like that like just the craziest dumbest shit

That's interesting I don't even know I mean like I remember this one time I was on Instagram live And I was rapping on a live And I said something about a Mexican And then I got off the live I checked my DMs It's flooded with Mexican people like

sending hate notes all that type of shit swear. Because that's like the other thing that you would do in like cash or two just to give him his credit is like it's not that you would just be saying the worst possible stuff about yourself but you would be saying that you were going to do something and including

details about the person that like clearly didn't matter like you would say like I just ran off I just ran off on a fan. He was Mexican and it's it was funny because it's like there's no reason for you to be stating that this kid was

Mexican, but like, I mean, why not? This is rap. You can, there's nothing wrong with it, including that detail. Right, yeah. He's Mexican. Like, what else do you? I just rob somebody. He has emphysema. Right. He's like a class. He has it. He's just, he has it. What do you want me to do about that? He was bisexual.

Like, he's bisexual. What the fuck do you want me to do about that? Like, what the hell? It's just like a little, just a little note. Just a spruce. I was interviewing a girl the other day. It's almost like the same thing. But she don't even know that she's like saying crazy shit, but she's talking about this dude who broke up with her. She's like,

he facetined me while he was fucking a black girl. I think I've seen that shit. I'm like, why do you say black? Like, no, why do that matter? Like,

does it make it worse? I think that's what the person's here. What was that true? That was me? Yeah. But I respect it because that detail did like help me envision it in my head a little bit better. But the way she said is making it sound like the nasty. Like it's a problem or some shit.

Yeah, which I'm like, you can't be saying. that like she's person just like we said 20 24 crazy so you think that your music is going to get less offensive or more offensive as you sort of dig in and and see what the future holds shit both go get both less offensive and more offensive I could imagine to getting more offensive like we're more can I work how worse worse things can I say so I ain't talking I ain't talking my rapping like that no more though

If you want to talk about like the trans community. Yeah, right now, that shit will be crazy. Now, I get, I mean, I'm not saying you should. I'm going to be, I'm going to be, like, do it. No, but that would be you going viral all over again. I'm cool, though. What do you do to do you? You, I don't know.

I just don't know. Bro, they all f*** up on antidepressants, half of them. They ain't going to do none to you. Man, didn't the baby lose a lot of money? From making an age joke. They go. Exactly. That was his problem, though, is that he's headlining rolling loud.

Duolipa songs and shit like that. Like you could say a lot of shit that would not register. Like all he said was basically like if you got AIDS, you do dirty type shit, which is, I could see why it's offensive, but it's only offensive if it's coming from like a mainstream personality. That's like when we knew that offset was getting too big was when offset had a bar where he said, he goes, I do not vibe with queers. Boom.

Every fucking. Yeah. Because it's like, bro, you're not just a. regular Atlanta street rapper now you Cardi B's husband so you could say one little thing about gays boom it's it's gonna be a whole thing So um throughout all this success and whatnot how much were you actually purchasing No so that video that one it wasn't really it wasn't really like me going searching for you like who got to see for sale it was just a bitch like when you out bro so like like like everybody notice if you out right and you meet a bitch and you want to she

acting like like fake boozy you spend some money she go let you okay so that has happened to me about a million times in my life where you're in the bar you're in the club you're talking to a girl you're trying to get it to go home with you you slowly start realizing she got a job she got whatever going on she ain't going home with me for me I would always like get her number keep trying to holler at her text her 18 times over the course of the next couple weeks she didn't block she leave you on red you slowly get the point all right she's not gonna me on to the next one your mentality is like now i'm gonna offer like 200 bucks

no be like that that's what i'm saying like that okay we don't be like that bro be like like i'm trying to like eventually it get like that i don't know bro i don't know no no i respect that because i mean anything's better than texting or 18 times trying to hang out and don't worry and that's not what i'm really trying to do it like I'm trying to fuck you. I'm not trying to talk to you. And I mean, I see the appeal too because as soon as you pay her for sex, it's like you just have this thing over her where it's like you're no longer like equals.

Now it's like no. And now she thinks you're going to pay for that shit every time. You worked for me. You're like the janitor now. Basically. Like you're a gig worker. You're like a dude that I found on Craigslist to paint my fucking fence for 30 bucks. Not that I've ever.

But you know that kind of thing. I know what you mean I just gave you a little gig like I don't know I've never really done it but I could imagine that The going from like I'm talking to you like my equal in the bar to like you're because you have to because I paid you That's got to be like no. That's what I'm telling you is not like that's not like it's no That sounds like that's it feels like that would be different that's how I'm forced like no not I'm trying to avoid that yeah that's not for us but it's like once i give you the money you kind of got to do it because what the fuck else or you got to give me my money back yeah it's kind of awkward i would hate to be in a refund situation so i can take a no so if i offer a girl some money she say no cool with me right like you feel me like it ain't know the exchange now you got to do the job no if you change

your mind give me the money back and i'm about my day for sure i ain't trying to start no problems no extra crazy shit and nothing like that but so you actually f*** this and her ass you said yeah it was terrible actually what like how smelly no no it's just like a lot of ways for a to be weak yeah so it's just like i don't want to go in detail but tell me come no i think about six because i don't feel like you why not i feel like you should like even if a person is terrible you should still pay because that's not like when you pay her that's not part of the deal you're paying to find out right be honest because you just like rolling the dice yeah exactly that's like if a girl she still got

she still got some if i'm a male porn or if i'm a male porn star and a girl or a male street walker i guess and a girl gives me money and then she comes back and i got no dick whoa i'm keeping the money like you you paid to basically spin the fucking wheel and see which number it was gonna land on guess what it landed on an inch and a half that's just how i'm rocking Nick you said an inch in the head I mean I'm not but like you know I say it so comfortably because everybody can go see my penis but I don't know

You're not feeling this whole porn arc With me You ain't signed up for onlyplug talk dot com No, you just check it out I think you're doing free promo free advertising You just check it out If you're really my friend you would check it out No

The best moment was in the freestyle where I said something about I'm what the fuck this bitch and pass it to Brian Pumper Oh yeah, and you go, who's that? I go, this is real cool guy. You should check him out. You go, yeah, I'm going to check him out. You should have said, did you ever check him out?

Yeah, I'm not. No. You never check him out. He had retired. People tell him, people's coming to my DM like he's a fucking porn star and she's like. I was talking to his daughter the other day. He was talking to her? She does Onlyfants.

Oh. Is it fire? I mean, she looked all right, but I was just talking to her about her deadbeat-ass daddy. Like, she was just complaining to me about how he was a weird out and shit. Not like to her like that, but like she's just talking about how you weren't really around and shit. I was just having a whole little conversation with it. So, all right. How do you feel about the state of a scam rap in 2024?

Is it still alive or is the shit dead? Is it everything that was alive and shit? Like Punch made div. Your op. Still an op? You can say that. Still an op? Yeah.

In my life, and I fuck with his music, but in my life, I've seen very few people run off with somebody else's style so blatantly as the way that you kind of did that shit. I'm not going to lie. Oh, for sure. He definitely like saw what you're doing, realized that you kind of stopped doing it, and was like, I could do this. Like, it just kind of swooped in and just did it. Smartest shit ever. Props to him. But you beat with them like three years ago on Instagram Live.

Yeah. Before he popped off. And you were calling him OBN Dev at the time. That was his little thing. Yeah, I think that was his name and shit. So I think he used to stream or something shit. People, he's telling me he's like 2K stream. But isn't OBN like a legendary hacker?

I don't know. Or is it like a hacking group? He probably, yeah, he probably was like a fan boy or some shit. Okay, so this is before they became punch made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But why were you guys beefing three years ago on that Instagram live? Um, I forgot, honestly. Like, I really forgot.

I think because like, I think his, yeah, yeah, because he made that one song where it was explaining how to swipe. And I DMed him like, bro, what is you doing this shit? And then that's what it was. Like, we just got on live. But isn't that the same thing that people were getting mad at you for? It was just basically doing the little tutorials in the songs? Yeah.

And now people, do you see how shit worked? But why were you mad at him for, did he reveal too much? No, no, no, no. It wasn't nothing like that. I was just saying, like, I didn't go at him like, bro, I'm going to beat your ass or kill you in the DM. It was just like, damn, you, like, I see you. No, actually it was just like, I see you inspired and shit. It was like one of those type of messages.

Like, keep doing you or some. shit like that that's what it was and I don't know how to feel we got a lot did he ever end up scamming you no oh I don't know I heard he like scamed you for a verse no his manager in 2019 his manager paid for a feature said it was for another artist end up madness yeah that's what it was so so you guys have a song together through that yeah right damn would that piss you off because then all yeah when you can't clout to your op exactly that shit look weird as hell at the time I remember when we did the live I look on YouTube it's a whole ass song

Wow She looked weird as hell But do you feel like Do you respect his Version of the of the scam rap Because I mean he does do it differently He takes shit kind of to like a crazier Extreme

His shit is almost like more Hostile than like Terrible sometimes Like he'd be talking about girls Overdosing and seeming like he's kind of like Relishing in it like He just kind of like takes your formula But then keeps pushing with it right?

Exactly just like What I was saying Basically took the formula and said, how worse can I get, basically? Like, how can I make this even worse? Yeah. Or even better in the worst, you know what I mean. Right.

What about when he ran up on you in the mall? He didn't ran up on you in the mall. Well, he did, right? He was coming through that entrance. I was walking through the mall. We seen each other in the mall. He had three people with him. I was with my kids.

He showed a gun. I was about to go outside and fight him. Nothing happened. He didn't want to fight? No, I didn't want to fight. It was three niggas and the gun. I ain't about to do that. And I have my brother with me

The nigga ain't even Follow me while I'm going outside with three niggas The nigga walking off in a different way Your brother was out Swear to God This is your brother You like grew up with Blood brother

Nigger like 27 or some shit like that 30 or something shit Can you not really fuck with them anymore? I don't fuck with them no Especially you got your kids It's like bro you're here to watch the kids While I catch this fade Not even that

Nigger you if you see me walking with If it's me by myself And it's three other niggas And you see they just showed a gun And I'm about to go scrap I was really about to go scrap. Win or lose, jump anything. And the niggia just wasn't there.

You think Punch Made Dev would have gave you a fair fight? Or you think he would have just smoked your ass right there? I feel like he would have been scared and just shot him. Really? When I start beating his ass, he would have got scared or something. It's one of his men's. It's weird to have a fist fight with the burner on you. Because the burner could transfer hands.

Like, all you've got to do is if you get in the clinch, boom, you take that shit. So that's the same reason. with a cop, like if you go to squabble up with a cop, they treat it like a life or death situation because if they could, if you could grab that gun, then the whole situation is switched up on them. Right, exactly. But like I said, there's three of them.

Three guns. Go hold. Oh, at least, do you think they all had them? Definitely. Yeah, and they're legal. So if they, I guess that's go and self-defense, I don't know, but like I said, if we would have fought and he would have got, start getting beat up, he would have shot me, bro. I know he would have been, like,

he would have felt embarrassed and scared and shit like I know so are you somebody that when you're at the mall with your kids are you thinking about the possibility or running into somebody you know I'm worried about that shit I ain't worry about because like besides that situation there wasn't anybody you were worried about running into

no where was that that was Kentucky why the fuck are you both in the mall and Kentucky he's from Kentucky oh this and I was just there what the hell are you doing that I was there the fresh mall no that mall horrible actually

They ain't got shit in there. Really? Telling you, that's the only mall in Lexington, too. That's shit horrible. That's why we went to the same mall. It was the only mall in Lexington. Really? Only mall.

That's weird. That's such a weird mall to run into somebody in general. Like, I always hear about Lennox. Everything going down on Lennox. Yeah, Lennox is like the one. Lennox is like the Royal Rumble. You can get your chain took any day of the week. Duh.

Now, at this point, okay, because, in the Instagram live three years ago, you were telling Punch Made Dev that you wanted to get on a song with him. You're like, let's just do this song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trolling. You were trying to... Would you have done it, though? Would you have tried to capitalize on the beef? No. Not at the time.

I still don't want to do a song. There's no point. Do you... But you haven't had any kind of conversation with him? Because part of what blew him up all... After that was when he did the video with Tommy G. Where he, like, you know, who was linking up with him and doing a vlog and shit.

That was genius. I don't know. Do you think that he's here to say or you think that you could reclaim the throne? I always got the throne for one. It's always going to be me. Anybody else second, but like hype-wise, like buzz-wise, he got the buzz right now. But the throne always belonged to me. What do you think that you need to do to, like, get that buzz back? Like, what do you think could reinvigorate shit?

Shit, drop music. Come up with some crazy marketing and shit. Let's go work. go work you go see definitely you haven't uh clear shit shit up with band man keva I don't know I don't really

talk to band man kev really he's like the Chicago version of you yeah with lipo BBL warrior not a BBL so what is it? Lipo warrior BBL is where you get the fat

taken out your stomach and then they put it in your ass so what do he do I think he just had it taken out and then they just threw it away. Like the fat or something? I've just never heard of a dude getting a BBL and I don't really think that Bam and Kevah would want one.

The only dude I know of who has a BBL is Sasi Santana. He looked like a bad bitch with his. Like it don't look like a like a bitch's ass. It's kind of crazy looking because he got a beard and shit. That's a nigga Adam. It's crazy.

Could you fight a gay guy with a BBL if it came down to it yeah I was about it came down to it I got to fight shit because academics basically wasn't that nigga crying what was he crying for he was crying because saucy Santana basically said that he was gonna rip him like beat his ass and then them and then academics and then academics is Jamaican right so like he obviously I think has a lot of like internal homophobic dialogue that he doesn't really like let out because he's not trying to get canceled and shit

I think the tears were like him Not calling him an F-A-G-G-O-T and all these other things that he probably wanted to say So he can keep his shit going academic I still am confused like why that would necessitate crying Because I feel like no matter how Upset I was about a gay man saying that he was gonna Sexually assault me that I probably wouldn't cry I don't really understand it

But I guess that's just where he was at What are we even talking about? If it was a troll it was a genius troll Because people still talk about it all the time X question So is So is Propane still your manager? No

No What's your relationship with him? Is he cool, dude? Is he still trying to like set up plays for you and shit? Yeah I'm doing my own thing though I know I already been through the business I know what I gotta do

I know who to fuck with who this Like I already know the business already I don't need no Does he own a percentage of your Catalog and shit or not? No So you guys just had like a management Did he get a percentage when you signed

Atlantic? Yeah for sure But I paid him from my pocket He got more than cashier Yeah How much you gave him? 100K? No, no no

Not that much? No So yeah I actually did give him money game really I guess he did because he hit me up a few weeks ago basically saying like I want you to help me reinvigorate TJ's career no I don't know why he said that I don't I'm not doing no business with him really yeah I'm well I ain't saying like that I'm just doing my own thing he seemed like he was you know just trying to do the right thing and try to help get your shit going better no you're not looking for help and they want to do this shit all by yourself you see if you say it

look like he's trying to get it, give me help and shit, it's just not what it seemed. Just know that. Really? So you think he was going to actually secretly use this as an opportunity to undermine you? Not that, but he was just going to just trying to get whatever going again or whatever. Because cashier

ain't doing shit. Cache aren't streaming nothing. Right. They got chains and watches, no streams. It's weird because, well, who's funnier, you're a cacher? I don't care. I think that, I mean, I feel like You're more of like a star rapper, but I kind of feel like he's funnier, but it's kind of like in a dusty ass way where he's just kind of like.

You know, like he's kind of like he. I know exactly what you said, but he kind of like really seems like a bump. Like he's like a little bit closer to like all the dudes that we were around and like downtown LA and shit that were just like wow and like just saying. But he's like funnier and he's younger and he's probably not like really fucked up on drugs and shit. But there's like, he got a little bit of that like dude standing outside the liquor store quality to him. Right. Whereas you're more like a little bit of like a silent ninja like, you know, get up in the Barnes & Noble and do your scamming and then get the fuck out. Yeah.

I used to be scamming at the Barnes & Noble. I used to go get me a scam from there. Some books. Maybe some CDs. It was back in the day. Useful. Get a CD for 16 bucks. Sell it on eBay for 10.

Kaching. Six dollars loss. No, because you didn't pay for it. You scammed it. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. You got it for free. See, this is how I know you're on a scamper. What?

What is they going to say any day? You thought I paid a $6 loss. Okay. That's stealing action. You're a thief. Right, anti-stealing. It costs you money. Okay.

So, what do you say to people who think that you sold your, Instagram. People said that? I seen some people saying that that was a possibility. What did I still? What did I sell my Instagram? I don't know it seems like the craziest thing ever. That's retarded. That's some real J-Kat shit. So who? Jake has like a drug addict thing. Like we couldn't imagine anyone still on their Instagram unless they were like dying for no that's crazy. So we're the page at. I'm saying. So like that makes it. I have you totally given up on getting it back because it's over bro. I do I know some only fans girls who like

get their Instagram taken and then managed to get it back like years later. So it's, I don't know if it's like always a done deal. Then somebody got the TjX6 username already. So that's probably, that's basically over with. Oh yeah, that's, yeah. How many followers they got? Like 20K or some shit. Oh, shit.

So people. I only have my Instagram one month. I got 50K, 51K. The one that you're on right now is brand new. Yeah. That's what's up. The scamming fans era. That's officially over?

Yeah, I never really Scam fans anyway. I mean, there's a song on your new tape called Scaming My Fans. That's it. It is. Like, when did you actually record those songs? Because I was listening to that shit today.

That song's like 2021. Oh, it's that old? Yeah, yeah. So you don't have any new music out since then? Yeah, I got new song. Like I told you, the song just leaked. Well, yeah, I'm gonna do so. But you don't really put it on

No, no, no, no. YouTube and shit. But I'm about to start. I'm about to start. It's time. Are we gonna be shocked by what you're, because, yeah, you're like choosing to kind of come back and do interviews and shit now. Is this all like the lead up to you to up into music?

Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay. You gotta do everything the right way. Right. And by the way, no management. I'm just, I know what I got to do. Like, and ain't nobody telling me you go do this interview so you can do this, so you can do this can happen.

I'll just know what I got to do this time. Are you going to be trying to, like, work with other up-and-coming artists and shit and like kind of make you come back like that or are you trying to just be like a renegade I'm gonna be my I'm gonna do solo I'm gonna be solo most like for most for the most part but I'm gonna get a few collabs and features and shit like that mm yeah definitely um you know when I was listening to your music I have the fucking an idea you're ready for this idea this is a great idea we do a festival a music festival and we call it Fall Off Fest

and we basically like get a ton of different rappers who kind of like fell off and we put them all on the same bill you're trying to be funny not really like I actually think it's a good idea like I feel like a lot of people

might go to with like a lot of artists that they hadn't really fucked with in a long time but the problem is is that like a lot of rappers have egos so I feel like they wouldn't want to like do it that shit but like in reality I'll do some shit like that

we don't have to call it fall off But like if it was like even just like a sound cloud rap Reunion type thing would be so good because I feel like if the people just need another Like another look another round of of seeing like you said people yeah People just stop paying attention so easily exactly exactly right like a week people stop paying attention so imagine two years Right exactly yeah because like you're your like a lot bro it feel like you would be surprised I'm still me like every time I go outside somebody's oh yeah up it's crazy I believe it's shit for like 2019 still yeah you just honestly that's why it

kind of sucks that the label thing didn't work out because I feel like the label would be able to like really get you out there again at this point and like put you in front of everybody's faces again so like because that's really what you need is just to be in front of everybody's faces so they can remember like oh that's why I do this dude okay yeah go with the old music and eventually I start dropping again they start listening because that like when you blew up around that that first time was like a moment where I was like holy shit like there's just new styles popping up and then falling off and popping up again and just like so many like crazy things happen in the music world where like you know it should felt very progressive

back then it felt like things were like evolving very rapidly whereas like rap just feel stale lately you bored with rap yeah bro I don't really even listen to rap music for really listening to like Like I don't know like I listen to rap but it'd be like not like detrae rap and shit like that It'd be like some j-cold and shit like really not j-cold necessarily but that type of you respect your elders For sure I mean j-call makes great music I was a j-colle-hater at one point too yeah but then as time went by It's like drake got ass now Drake at the end of his career he's not terrible but he's It's not quite as intense as it was like everybody's like at the

end of their career. Everybody that's the big rappers, little baby, everybody's saying little baby fell off. Gunna, I guess, he just dropped a good album everybody saying, Future getting, about to be 50. Future is literally my age. Future is 40. Mickey Minaj, 40.

Cardi B ain't dropped an album in a decade for some reason. Why you said Cardi B? Yeah. See? I mean, you just point to a lot of the top rappers and it's like the top rappers from 10 years ago are not necessarily being replaced by that many new rappers these days. Like there are big

stars, but there's not that many of them. And like, there's so many rappers that would have been huge stars that got killed or overdosed or whatever. Which is a big part of the problem as well. It's just that like so many people that would be like our legends, like our X or juice world or

even like thug, you know, like the fact that we don't, we don't get to hear a thug record for like past couple years. And then when he do put it It was like, shit, fly by day, night. Yeah, that's the f*** of shit, too. It was that Drake put out an album. People talk about it for, like, three days and then they move on.

Shit like that. But then they don't, like, they don't really move on. They move on to, like, talking about what's going on in the news. Because people these days are not as thirsty for new music to listen to. They don't value it. I just want to hear, like, the crazy shit. Behind the stories, like, the ditty shit. They just want to, like, everything just coming up.

Like, it's about that time. Yeah. 30 years and shit, 20 years. Yeah. my theory that I don't know I've never really been able to get too many people on board with it but my theory is that the popularity of say cheese academics Vlad no jumper etc partially explains there being less interest in music because like whereas we used to just listen to music all the time now a lot of consumers like me I'm way more likely to watch a clip from my academics live stream talking about some topic than to be like oh let me go listen to the new niki manage album is crazy I didn't listen

the new Mickey Menaz album. Me either. There's too many YouTubers I watch. I don't have like the need to try to find value in some... And then you hear snippets on every TikTok of the album songs and shit. Like, it's just crazy now. Yeah. That's the weird thing about doing interviews is that the clips, the snippets can go crazy.

And then meanwhile the YouTube video doesn't usually always get as many. It's crazy. Okay. So where, when are you planning on dropping new shit? and you plan I don't have any features on the project? Are you going to put out a whole project? You're going to start just dropping videos?

Yeah, I'm going to start off with videos, put the whole project out. And then, let's go from near, man. Turn out. I'm having money, man. What you got? Some little shit.

Today shit. You scam that today? Just so the camera. How do they join the telegram? Link in the bio. In your Instagram bio? Yeah. I'm thinking about getting

this is some scamming Don't do it You don't think so There's too much to lose You're right All right any Words to the kids out there Any advice for the people

New music on the way man New album on the way Follow the Instagram once again And just be looking out For new content, new music That way You heard to hear it first TjX6

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