No Jumper - Terrance "Gangsta" Williams on Having 40 Bodies, Beef with Boosie, Birdman & More

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Terrance Williams shares details about his life story, his lifestyle, doing time, working with Birdman, Cash Money artists being under paid, and more! ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22bro on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm bringing you a long, a weighted conversation. We finally made it happen. Terrence Gangster Williams is in the building. Wow. How you feeling?

Good. Yeah? Very good. Yeah. I'm out of Cali. I went to Walmart because I love to go to Walmart. So I had to go check out of y'all Walmart. Pretty much the same, right?

No, it's built different. I couldn't steal nothing out of there. Really? Yeah. You steal from the Walmart normally? Yeah. What the fuck? This interview is already off to a weird start.

Yeah. You've been through too much. To be putting your freedom at risk for some free chips. But here's the thing. They let you self-check out so I'm not at risk. They let me, yeah, man. Well, see, okay, this is the problem with you. This is the same mentality that got you in trouble in the first place.

No. I heard you talking about like, oh, yeah, we were paying the cops off, so we're thinking they were good. And I'm like, yeah, that probably really did seem like you were good back then until the feds come, until whatever, but like, same thing with the self-checkout. They're probably building a case on you right now. That's pretty cool. It's misdemeanor.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so I don't have to worry about fair. I go to the county jail, barring out, and they don't come back to Cali. Yeah? Yeah, I'm a skip, I ain't coming,

I'm not going to court. I can't be flying back and forward Adam for no chips. Right. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, so I was hungry, so if they're going to lock me up out there or give me a ticket or something.

Hey, we have the self-checkout here as well, so you know. What y'all have? Like, I mean, the grocery stores I go to go to self-checkout. Oh, I thought you were talking about here in the building. No, here. We're not selling anything here, yeah.

Oh, I saw a Vinderman. out there, but you got too many cameras. Yeah. You were going to steal out the vending machine? If I got... We should do that when we was young, though, for real. Yeah. We should do that when I was young.

Go out of viz the machine like that. No, that was the move. I had friends who, like, every week of their life would be taking change out of the laundry machine in their apartment building. Yeah? We didn't go that for. We used to go to the parking lot

and get the paper clipping and steal the money out of that. They did a big box. They put the money up in the slot to cover, you know, for their parking. We were going and steal the money lot. You ever steal the cromies off the people's hubcaps? Yeah, we did that for the put on our bikes. Yeah, exactly.

You had to have a crumb on a bicycle. See, we're going to start from ground zero in terms of our crimes and then just move up from there. Okay, let's go. We're going to start with cromies. Okay, what else you had a chance to do in L.A.? That's it. I went to Walmart than I went to Burger King. Mm.

The Burger King. Well, you just got in this morning? Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So I had to make sure I was here on time. Oh, yeah. You were here early, which is much appreciated.

Yes. But do you feel like, is there anybody you're worried about seeing in L.A.? Because Charleston White just made it out of here unscathed and the streets are scrambling to figure out what to think of this? Not here, but L.A. as a whole. Well, I don't bother nobody, so I don't have no worries. Right. Everybody who have a problem with me is because of something that I respond to what they said to me.

Uh-huh. So I haven't harmed no one. They try to harm me, and I missed the answer right back. but no, I don't feel no man. So I don't... But when you think about, you know, just how you're looked about... How famous do you feel when you go on the Walmart and stuff? People coming up to you here and there?

Yeah, I take piss with people. But here's the thing. Like I say, I don't troll or just straight disrespect people. So when I see a lot of people, they happen to see me. Take pieces of a OG. I like what you was talking about. Keep on pushing. I get that.

It's all positive. Right. Right. Yeah. Even if you were to be hanging out in New Orleans, it would still be like that too? Or it's a little bit more likely you'd run into somebody who... Oh, it's on.

Yeah, that's different. You got to have it on a vest. You got to have that Draco with your... It's to be different. You need a Drago and Walmart. Yeah. You can just walk in the Walmart with the Drago? You got to cuff it, but, you know,

but in New Orleans, I would have to be on the... Watching out. Right. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to... how I can do out here in Texas and places, I can't do that in New Orleans.

Is that just your assumption, or have you been told, no, there's money on your head, or there's kill squads in the streets? But it's still enemies that still out there lurking. It's still people that's upset now that I've been home that I've been going back and forward on the internet with. And I know, you know, with the younger people that's out,

they would love to get them strikes. So you got to be killed because in this day and time, everybody in clicks. So a lot of people have the youngsters that's following them and them youngsters just crash dummies. So they would love to catch me slipping. Right. Yeah, so I ain't, no, I got to be careful, you know.

Where do you stay full-time? Dallas. Dallas, Texas. Okay. And how's life out there? Beautiful. Love it, yes. Beautiful.

I love it. I was affected last night watching your first Vlad interview because you were talking about the Walmart. You were talking about just how amazing it feels to be free after all those years. Yes. Are you still kind of experiencing that glow, even though it's been a couple years? Yeah, because I was amazing.

When I was on a plane, I was looking down, and I saw these mountains and hills. And I was like, man, if I got stuck out there, where's the water? So as we fly and find it, saw the water. And how the hills made out here, yes, I don't take nothing for granted anymore. I'd be happy. I take my time. Like, a lot of people would be upset when it gets stuck in traffic or they get stuck in the airport. My thing is I'd rather be stuck in traffic

or the airport didn't be stuck in a jail cell So I'd be patient It's all about what you compare shit to Right I have to tell my brother that sometimes too She'd be complaining about getting stuck in traffic And I'll be like, listen Yes, we are on a noisy ass ugly highway

But it could be a lot worse You know, we're in a comfortable seat We're in a nice car We're listening to this podcast or this album or whatever We're able to sit here and have a conversation with each other It's not that bad. Facts Because realistically when we get home

We're gonna be sitting on our ass too So if we're sitting here for 45 minutes extra, it's not that different. Right, right. But see, you know, the difference is I have something psychological to think about. She's just looking at like, I ain't never been a gentleman before,

so I didn't get home. Right. That's what I knew. I know home. You know, so it's different. Right. I like the vibe, too, when I was watching that interview. I could tell how thankful you were

to even be sitting down with Black, because that was like your first real interview after you came home, too. And so you're saying, in that interview you're like this is big like this is actually like you know I'm communicating with a number of people like you seem like you got it you're communicating with a level of of people that is just so far beyond what you could have ever thought of when you're locked up where the only people who are hearing what you got to say are a handful of people that are around you yeah that's a

fact yeah are you but how would you say that your mentality has changed since then because I kind of felt like when I was watching that interview from two years ago that you had a little bit more You know, like you're fresh out of prison and you kind of are wanting to keep a good image, wanting to be polite, wanting to keep everything smooth. Whereas when I watch some of your more recent stuff, I feel like you've allowed yourself to fall back a little bit just into like who you really are. And you're not, you know, necessarily trying to be like a schoolboy or anything like that. No, what it is, I didn't know what a man into a social media. So when I just always tell brothers that people in prison, good brother don't mean soft brother. So now with guys know that I denounce the streets.

So in their mind, or you solve you. And it's the youngsters that I go at it with. I'm like, man, he was on a porch. So he doesn't have to be my son. So sometimes you got to just be a little, hey, hold up now. But that's as far as I would go. Because I know I have a certain age bracket that's watching me. And I have an older crowd that's watching me.

And I have a non-profit, so I don't want them youngsters to be that, well, you stepped off, back for a minute and now you, you, you know, so, but. Because you've seen that where people come out, they're on the best behavior for six months, and they kind of fall back into who they are, because they're around so much of an influence, all the people that they're around, respect people who are on some bullshit. So, but do you ever fear that? Do you ever fear, like, that you'll get to the point where you'll be taking all the shit for granted and you'll kind of fall back into your own ways, your old ways?

Probably not as bad as you used to be. at least doing some bullshit. No, because I'm winning on social media. I make more money on social media than the average drug dealer in the neighborhood. I don't make as much for when I was in the streets, but I'm comfortable because I'm older now. So now I appreciate the small things,

so no, I wouldn't. And I know because I know they got a bed waiting on me. And I know they would hide you in prison. So no, Adam, I'm like, the only thing that would bring me back to the streets is someone home, my mother, my children, a bird man, are slim. Really? That's it.

Your level of respect for them is such that you would still be tempted to go out and act on their behalf if something happened to them. Not tempted, I'm gone. That's just a fact. Even though they currently are not communicating with you, right? Or you talked to Slim a little bit, but you haven't talked to Birdman in quite a while almost a month. Right, right. Yeah, but that's still my family. And they was there for me when I really needed them when I was incarcerated.

Right. I never wanted for nothing. So that's big and imprisonment. you need them. And as long as I'm on the street, as long as they print, money, I'm going to make some money. So I don't look at it. And here's the thing. Birdman is just stubborn just like I am.

So I know if I were to pick up for him, that bro, or something, he's going to answer. Or if I call him, I need something. He's going to be there for me, but I don't need them. I'm good. That's a big part of where you're at is that you don't want to have to rely on somebody like him. You want to be your own man. Right. Yeah. That's why

I'm, that's why I attack social media so much. I have a record label. I have an artist. So all it takes one song. I want to hear to quit or give me some million. I can go kick back. For sure. Who is like, since you've been out looking at the game and looking at all the different

entrepreneurs out there and stuff, obviously you come from somebody like Birdman. It was kind of like one of the most epic entrepreneurs and rap history, street history, etc. Like who have you found looking at the game that you're impressed by that you're like, that's a person right there that has figured this shit out? especially since you're trying to do it with the social media stuff and everything like that. You can you talk about music?

Just the game in general. Like music, social media. Like who do you look at that has kind of inspired you since you've been out? Oh, man. All right. With social media, Charleston White,

OG Percy, I love to watch them. I love to watch them. They say some crazy wild stuff, but I love to watch them because I'm like, okay, I see what they're doing. So I know I'm not going to go that route, so I'm going to go this route.

But I still want to soak up game. I still soak up what's going on. Certain issues I won't attack. Certain issues I would not cover. But I still look to see what they talk about what they got going on. So I like to watch those two guys on social media. It's a few more. It's a podcast that my way called No Rock Cap Podcast.

It's a guy. He got ATH, all this management out of Dallas. very small shoe. He was Mo Dr. He was Mo Dr. Rheefer's manager. So I paid attention to these guys, and I watched him. You know what I'm talking about Rainwater? He had another manager before Rainwater?

Yeah, that's on Pippoor, yeah. Okay. And them two going at the right now. Oh, okay. He had that, Dre. He got ATA's management. So, you know, I pay attention to him, and I watch him. And what I respect about him, he always played the back.

He got the extra contract with him in Mo3. So I was looking at this other day. I was like, wow, he got songs. And I was like, okay, I like, he's doing like slim, Slim did with Baby. And Rainwater, him actually said I had an interview with Randwater say, I told Modena to sign that contract with you. So I was like, wow, Wayne Road to get all the credit, but this man had the paperwork

too. But I still just like to watch these different people and take little here, little here, little here, and say, okay, I'm going to use this, this, but something is I'm not going to use this. Right. Because, all right, you start your career, you get on camera, and you're just being yourself. And that for some people can take them as far as they need to go. But then sometimes when I'm looking at somebody like Charleston White, who I've been influenced by him and everything too,

you kind of realize like, oh, this is somebody who seems like they're actually like really putting in thought in terms of what they're going to say. Before they go do an interview, they're already kind of like crafting what their crazy takes are going to be, what they're going to say about this person that's going to go viral, etc. Whereas you seem like you're kind of more of a polite, mild-manored, sort of low-key person.

It's kind of hard for me to imagine you fully jumping out the window like Charleston White frequently does. I never do that. That's not you? No. Early, I mean, like back in the day when I was in the streets, I was like that was very, my mouth, I'm cussing going on, I didn't care. But now this day of time, what scares me the most is everybody have a gun. These little youngsters, now I plan out here, and I travel by myself. So, you know, telling where I'm going to be at.

And people, they're not playing out here. So I make sure that I'm careful what I do, what I say, because I know I got to move around. And like I say, people move in groups. They got crews and homies that they rock with. So I try to stay out the way of that. But I also try to make sure that I watch what I say because I know there are people listening.

And I know how people, social media loves gossip. They love bull. They love mess, drama. you know or like I might do a regular video you might do a few numbers but if I do Terran games,

when you respond to such and stuff oh the number's gonna go up so I was like oh they're like gossip they're like bull you know so that's why you'll see me sometime entertain the bull but I know I gotta bring my check up right because if somebody in an interview

asked you about some celebrity shit that's going on and if your take is like if they ask you about Megstonia and a Tori Lane situation if you were on the clock a couple years when that was like the main thing that we were all talking about for a few months there.

It's like the viral opinions are the extreme ones. So a viral opinion is Megan is a piece of shit, liar, snitch, rah, rah, right, right, like all that. That's the more viral take. And then the other viral take would be Tori Lane's is a piece of shit. He's a monster. He's an animal. He needs to be locked up. He needs to, you know, he should not be part of our society or whatever.

Even though like the average person or somebody like me or you, we're watching the situation, I assume like you, but like for me, for sure, I'm kind of in the middle of the road where it's like, I want to wait for the information to come out. You know, I don't really feel comfortable like having a super strong opinion until the court case is underway or until we like really get a good look at the information and everything. And the average person is kind of like that too. They're more middle of the road. But if you really want to be the one who's going to have a viral take, you got to go one way or the other,

which is not, that's not necessarily what a real one would do, you know, because if you jump out the window without the full information from a street perspective or just from like a good person perspective, that's not necessarily what you should do. But as a content creator, that's what you're massively incentivized to do. Yeah, that's a fact. But certain things I stay away from because I'd be like how you just said, you might not have a full story. And a lot of people like to just follow what sound good, what's trending the most. Or I'm going to jump on it.

Oh, he's wrong. But then later on, he'd be like, oh, my bad. So certain stuff I just stay away from. I pay attention to everything, the search of stuff, I'd be there. But if I get a lot of people, hit me in the deal, I'm like,

oh, gee, we want to hear your perspective on this, give us a video on this, tell us how you feel about this, then I'm going to speak on the, but I'm going to take the middle course. Because I could do two things. I could do okay from when I was in the streets, I would have looked at it like this.

But not of them on civilian time, I can look at it like this. So that's how I break down my topics. Yeah. Definitely. You ever feel like you went out the window, though? You ever, like, go too far, and then you regret maybe speaking too free?

Really? No. No, that's why I tell you. Every video I have, if it's a disrespectful video, that's because I respond to somebody else disrespecting me. And I look at it on the Internet, it's just content. It's fun. Because once I turn my phone or my camera or my iPad or whatever I'm recording with, I'm going on about my date. I'm not thinking about that. My thing is I think God I'm free. Now my thing is what I'm going to eat. I'm going to drive, going to look at some women.

I think of that. I don't, that stuff on social media, whoever I have a running with, I don't take that off camera and with my everyday life. Because that could affect who you deal with at home or on the phone. So I leave that stuff where it's at.

I've had that feeling before where you've been with someone and you start to realize like, oh, I'm doing this online for an hour and then I'm going to go about my day and have a family and do all this other shit whereas certain people you realize like, this is the main event in your life.

You're arguing with me now. You're going to be arguing with me later. You can be posting about me later. Like, this is the whole thing for you. But also I kind of understand it to a certain extent because some people like, this is their make-or-break moment when they're beefing with somebody who might be more well-known than that. Like either they feel like their reputation is either going to be in the trash can or they're going to be up by the end of this debate.

And that's what I like to look at. I look at everybody who have a name bigger than my, a platform that's big in the mind that's what I can respond to. If it's somebody under me, you're doing what I did. So some people I don't give no attention to unless their

views are up. Well, I say, okay, I can capitalize too. But if your view's not up and you dissing me, I'm not about to answer that. Because somebody help you out. So that's where I move like that. But sometimes you, like in my situation, a lot of times responding to somebody,

even if they are a loser, it's still content that my fans are going to want to see me talk about. And it's like, yes, I am giving them some attention that could potentially blow them of. But it's also like you cultivate a fan base and some percentage of that fan base wants to see you get in there and fight. And they don't care if it's a lopsided fight. I could be arguing with the dumbest on earth, which I frequently am. And it's like to them is still entertaining. They don't really care.

It's like a UFC fight that's mismatched to the average fan. And you just saw somebody get knocked out. It doesn't matter that the one dude is way better than the other dude. And I had those situations at him. People hit me in my DM, OG, we got action. I was like, I look at him like, no, man, I'm not about to entertain that. And I give him a reason why they'd be like, yeah, you write OG. They'll give me the thumbs.

All right, keep pushing OG. And I move on. So I let my people know the reason why I'm not going to entertain this one versus, yeah, I entertain that one. So I understand what you're saying because they'd be like, man, this Goy, give us something. Because I got truck driving. I got different people that follow me

that listen to me. So I'm always on point where it's okay. Simmson, let me see what you got. All right, yeah, I entertain that. I don't want to go too far. Like I said, I don't want to get to the point where you got people that act so crazy and want to take from the internet to the streets.

I can't afford to do that, Adam, because I know they're waiting for me to slip. I know if I put that tool in my hand and go at one person, it's like 20 other people I want to kill anyway. So before I hit that switch, I'm going to walk away. Or I'm like, oh, you know what you're right. Unless they transgress me.

If they transgress me first, then I got the right to kill. I got a free kill. But, I mean, when I was saying that earlier about how I'll be an argument with somebody and then I'll just go up on my day and it doesn't really impact it. Like, for sure, there's a lot of people over the last 10 years, 20 years, whatever, who thought they were just arguing on the Internet and then their house gets shut up or they get killed or whatever. and that's around the time that they realize, oh, this is actually interacting with real life as well.

So it's like you kind of got to choose your battles wisely. Thanks. And people, but then that's a problem because then people on the line will say you picking out fights that you're picking and choosing, that you're not picking your battles. Exactly, which sounds intelligent when you put it that way. Of course you want to pick your battles.

Why the fuck I don't want to pick my battles? I don't want to talk shit to the most dangerous killer in the world, and I will talk shit to some pussy-ass YouTuber who acts tough or whatever. and if I can judge who's who, then that's a good thing. But to the fans, it's like, no, if you're bringing that energy to one person when they say,

your mom, you got to have that exact same energy for whoever says your mom. But a lot of people don't do that. You're right about that. A lot of people don't do that. They have picks and shoes. You write about that. I see a lot of people

of disrespect one guy, but the next one, they know that's real soft and weak, they go far and beyond to disrespect this person. And I just look at it, okay, I got you. So I keep a mental note, So I know if me and this person have a running, I'd be like, okay, you just let this man walk all over.

You want to talk crazy to me. Because, see, a lot of people attack you, offer your character online and what they know about you from the streets. See, a lot of people know if you got a lot to lose, they're going to go hard, extra hard because they know you can't do too much. You got a wife, you've got a children.

You're on probation or you're on parole. So to know the people watch it, so they'll go extra hard, and the whole being they don't run into you. Right. And I don't want to air out anything that you're not comfortable. we're talking about, but like, you're in a position where you can't necessarily move around

the way that you would want to move around. Right. With me with the tool. Yeah. I assume it's just a lot more complicated than it used to be. No, it's never that, because, you know, you got security now you pay for. Right. But you said that you travel alone.

Yes. Yeah, I've traveled. But it's not complicated for me because if I feel like, okay, this is going to be a threat here, then I got to get the right proper security. But I'm going to always. make sure I make it home to my mother. No matter what. I'm going to make sure I do that.

But the story of your life is a person who's rolled the dice on whether you were going to make it home to your mom or not over and over and over and over and somehow you've managed to make it out. Now granted, you're 27 years or whatever in prison, so it's not that you made it out unscathed, but when you look at your life,

you kind of feel like, damn, I was extremely lucky in a whole lot of situations. Yeah, I do look at that. You're right, absolutely right about that. I'd be like, man, I got, not that I'm old, I sit back on it, I'm like, man, I was doing some wild, dumb stuff.

That's why I pay attention now. I respect them to the youngsters. When I pull up, you know how the youngs, been called? They get a look, and they're just staying you down. And the men you look at it, and they're ready to up. I'd be like, oh, right, right, because I know how these young boys out here, they want they itching. They're itching for a body.

And they don't have to know you, they just want to test their new tool. They got the switches out there and all that. So I stay away from all that stuff. It all boils down to the company you keep and the way you hang out at. So if you know you're not going to put yourself in the area where it's going to be a bunch of bull,

or a bunch of food and a bunch of food and this, then you're okay. But if you go around and here's enough, I don't have no business hanging in no clubs with these little youngsters. I'm too old for that. Too old, why? What is it about being at your age

that you feel like kind of makes it unintelligent for you to be in that environment? A 50-old, I'm 49, but a 50-year-old hanging in the club with 18, 19, 20-old. What are you going to be in that meanie-mugget bouncing and throwing both with the little youngsters, you know? You know what I'm saying? So then you got them little young boy, they'd be getting drunk, big old youngsters, Coxwell youngsters, you're in there trying to, all right, oh, come on over with us, you acting crazy, you bump somebody the wrong way, and he'd catch you with one,

knock you down, now the phone's out, now you got a viral moment, you got knocked out in the club, because you want to have in the first everybody going to say well he was too old to be in anyway that's what Eric that's our favorite saying he was in he was too old to be in anyway but are you at the point

where you could take an L where you could get humiliated publicly and you could turn the other cheek just in the for the purpose of protecting your freedom because that's really the the question when you say take an L what's the take

what's the L? You're in the club and you know a couple of dudes like run up on you in the section and beat the dog's shit out of you. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's part of the life. That's part of the game. Because the first thing I'm going to say,

my mind is, what was I doing in that club? Right. Next thing is, for them to run up and get to me, who was I with, how was they able to get to me? So now I'm going to look at everything

I've done wrong first. I've got to assess the situation. I'm like, then here's another thing. You know, in the club, you kind of dark in a way, so they, we beat you or whatever.

I'm out of hell. I took that. I'm gone. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, of course, that's part of, you know, living their life and being around that kind of environment. That's going to happen.

Right. Yeah, I can go with that. Because, like, you know, I've been in that situation where when I had security, somebody drives by and screams something at me and you feel that level of anger, and then they get stuck at the red light.

And I was thinking, like, fuck, I'm like a half a block jog away from being able to, I don't know, scream at this fool or, like, do something. Throw a rock at him. But it's also like, you know, I'm pretty happy where I'm at in life. It's like, do I really even care? I could just act like it didn't happen.

I just act like it didn't happen. I didn't even think about it till now. Like, I might have thought about once or twice since that happened. And it's like, but that takes a certain level of maturity to be able to kind of have something that happened. And it would be a little different if he has his phone out and he's recording it. And I know what's going on World Star or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, we just disrespect Adam in front of everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right.

But like I say, me, if I got the, that's, situation and a person stuck at the rail line and be like, look at this fool. He just, you know, if you knew better, you'll do better. That's what my mind. I said, because he knew I got security. He know unless he had that ray light, he clutching too. Right. So he's looking in the rearview mirror and look at the side mirror

and say, okay, let him run down if you want. I'm going to add out at him. You know, because usually when a person do something like that, if they're stuck at the rail light, if they're in the front, sometimes they're going to run that light or turn if they're in the right lane, you know, it's just certain things that go with that situation.

So that person, he's basically flogging because he didn't run the red light. Right. You know what I'm saying? Then he's in the car. He knows you're not going to get to him. And he knows your security is not going to just up and shoot because 9-7-10. You somebody that has money. You have security, so you got a lot to lose.

So you know, your security is just be handed out for free. Right. They're going to jail. They might hit somebody and it's a person. Now you've got to answer to that. But why do you think it's so much worse in terms of like young people being ready to kill these days? Is it the culture with the music and shit? Or is it something else, something bigger than that?

Social media. Social media, because now everybody is in your business. So it's like you claim you're a gangster and you ain't doing it in the bottle. Oh, you solve you a sucker. We're going to come and do this to you too. So now social media has, man, that social media is dangerous. It's social media. Because when I look at like Chicago, for example,

it's like all these different cities or all these different neighborhoods all over the city, And a huge percentage of them have beef with each other. And realistically, these are neighborhoods that are far apart enough that they shouldn't even know about each other, that they shouldn't even, like, be concerned with each other at all. And it would have took a lot to make them be beefing back in the 90s or whatever. But in this current age, somebody just got to make a song and say, Fri-dead homie, and then that just got it lit for the next forever. I mean, realistically, that beef probably ain't ever going away unless something miraculous happens.

And that's why I always tell people, that I'm scared to die first because in beef nobody's going to retaliate how I'm going to retaliate that's why I always say I'm scared to die first I know some of my homies may be like

okay we're going to spin we're going to go pull up but sometimes they might be like man let's go talk about let's squash it okay we lost this many lives they lost this many lives let's leave it alone

and I had that situation before so but that scares you that you could die and there wouldn't be revenge yeah that's why I'd be like I don't want to die first. Do you think you're going to be sitting up there in heaven thinking, or hell, whatever.

No, not hell. No. I don't believe in God, so I'm just guessing. But you think you would be sitting up there in the afterlife thinking like, damn, why my homies ain't get back for me? Well, no, because I'm going to be worrying by other stuff in the afterlife. But, you know. See, that's what I would hope.

I would hope that there would be some serene, divine state of affairs up in heaven, which I do not believe in, but that there would be something up there that would be so good that I would not be wishing for more bloodshed down on the ground. Maybe that's unrealistic. Yeah, because like I said, when you were in heaven or hell, and hell you got so much problem with trying to get up out there to hell fight, and heaven is so beautiful, you're not worrying about this life.

Right. You worry about, okay, I got the beautiful thing. I don't want to get kicked out of here. Yeah. Because there's like a King Von Lerick where he says, if I should die, my friends will basically boost the murder rate. He's telling you, like, you want to do something to me, we will make sure that something happens to y'all.

And it's kind of funny to picture it from that mentality of like, even if I'm dead, I know that this will take place on my behalf. Now, the actual way that King Ron lost his life is like not convenient to anybody who wants to get back because it's not like it was somebody in his own city who was across the country and shit. Atlanta.

Yeah. Right. And that's another thing, how we always are taught. You never know when you're going to die, where are you going to die. So he confident that the people he ran with, he know, or step us as well, so he know they're going to ride for me.

But, you know, sometimes be like, okay, that's too far. I ain't got time to ride that far. Right. It's in the hood. It's in the hour of the area. We could spend a few blithe, but I can't fly or drive all the way down here, take a risk of the police putting us over and get caught with these guns. You know, there's got a lot of risk factors.

So that's when allowed to be for some time at that, go unpaid for because it's too far. Too far to go to travel. Now, if they're coming out, see they doing a conscious or something, we got them. Right. Yeah, I was friends with this rapper for a little while there from Chicago

who was hanging out of my store in like 2017 or whatever, and then I went to rolling aloud, and he happened to be there with some of the rappers, and they killed him outside of nightclub, and it was because of some shit that happened in Chicago back in the day, and they tracked him down all the way to Miami and got him, And that was a moment that I kind of realized, like, oh, okay. So when it's that serious, dudes really will travel to make sure something happens.

Thanks. Yes. Yes. And it's going back to social media. Yeah. Because if somebody down your homeboy and you're on social media, flies with your money, flies with your guns, your call. And he's like, when you're right here doing this, you ain't going to answer that? Oh, man, we don't respect you. So people feel they got a point to prove because that's social media. I was thinking sometimes like if social media was around

when we was out, we might have been hit a debt penalty by now. But I noticed this, this generation they're kind of crazy because they got cameras all around and they still cut this doing what they want to do. Right, that's one thing that I was thinking about when I'm watching stuff like the Swamp Stories video that he did about you and shit and just really thinking

about how easy it must have been to kill somebody back then in comparison to now. Not to say that it was like 100% easy because you still get caught. It's definitely a powerful. But like the number of ways that you could get caught are the number of things that you need to worry about like Plenty of cases where you can just shoot somebody and if there's nobody around you jog back into the house and you're good Yeah, what is ever going to happen right now everybody got doughbell cameras or cameras all around house cameras at the light

cameras on the building cameras and cell phones everybody got cell phone right man when I come home I just see everybody with the head on just in the cell phone So it's but these youngs are still doing it especially I have to spend all those years and prison where everybody has no choice but to talk to each other and then you get out and you are in a room full of 20 people and the majority of them are staring at their phone yes it's a weird state of affairs yeah and everybody just in the only world the head down even the little babies got their phone playing the gal was like wow yeah i just be looking around and everybody have cell phone that should be illegal to kids do that shit i feel like that is a terrible idea for your kids development be playing and they're so smart these days we're on that phone yeah yeah yeah

I'll be saying let you know give me a phone mom or dad and he just got to plan and he knew how to move I'm like how you know how to work the phone I just like to watch sit down and watch

I just be amazing and all this new stuff going on out here but you're fully locked in with the iPhone I got to assume at this point right no no you're still kind of on the fence about

oh Android galaxy why it's easier it's for me to work they don't have all this complication on there there's a lot of stuff on that iPhone and the main thing I don't like with the thing, if you got

a girl, she's talking about, drop your location or I'm at my mother house, drop your location. You lying, you over, how you know that? It's on the phone, boy. So I will get busted too far with the iPhone. Well, you can't stop cheating?

No, not right now. No. You haven't managed to get into a serious relationship since you've been out? One. Yeah, one. And then that didn't work because so many females

come at me in the DM and they'd be having these different bodies so you'd be like, let me see. They, hey, how you doing? And I didn't know that when I go on somebody's page and like all this stuff that I'm being thirsty. Oh, yeah, okay. That you get labeled

thirsty, okay. I thought I was supporting. They'd say, no, you're going people and go on somebody page and like too many pictures. You're looking for attention and you show them. I was like, I thought you're supposed to go in. If we followed me each other, I thought you're supposed to go. in support.

Right. But they said, they told me, I'm supposed to do that. But I have a habit going and liking people's stuff. Right. And it just be out of innocence,

but people say, I shouldn't do that. Right. But I got busted. When I come home, nobody told me how to lock the phone. So I just had all kind of porno stuff and different stuff

in my phone just sitting on the table. Because I'm thinking, prison, don't touch my stuff. I'm not going to touch your stuff. But the women, they differ, man, they want to know. Right.

Yes, I had three different women to go on my phone. Really? Yeah, they didn't bust me. And wait, they found porn or they found you talking to girls and them sending you porn? That. The girls sending me, yeah, that. And then that's a whole problem.

And then I get to talk crazy and now they want to fight. I'm going to swing on me and all out of all, man. I got time for this. So sometimes I just like to sit back and be like, all right, we want to be cool. How you doing? And we go out. All right.

Is there a part of you, though, that feels like you're, you're destined to end up in a long-term relationship? I want one. You want one. But it's just, is it just that there's too much temptation right now? Yeah, man, there's so many, I want to hump a midget. Yeah. You can probably help you with it, yeah. Yeah, and I need to hit me a midget.

I want to hit a white woman, blue eyes, the blind hair. Wow. So, they're my fantasy. So you never, a white woman? Never, no. Oh, my God. So when I go to Walmart and, like in an airport, man, it's just, different stuff, I'd be like, wow.

That stuff just would be amazing, man. So not right now. I can't. Now, if I find a woman and she's understanding and she's like, okay, you get your look, get you like, you know, you're a five second rule look. You can look cool. Because, you know, when you're with your woman, sometimes she feels you disrespecting her when you

throw that, you're giraffe and, you know, oh man, she's bad. You know, she'd get mad about that. So if I can find a woman like that, then I'm good. But other than that, no, not right now. Yeah, it's difficult. Because even my girl, we do porn together. We, like, have nine girls to OnlyFans contracts and shit like that. And still, it's like, if we're walking at the beach and there's a girl who got a

crazy body or a really pretty face or whatever, it's like, I can look, but you probably shouldn't emphasize it too much. Right. It gives you a little, right. Yeah. I ain't nothing, but you're like, man. So with me, that's why I can go with a woman that's insecure or a woman that's like, don't disrespect me out.

But you look at another man. See, the women sneakie to. looking at a guy like, oh, he's fine, but they don't do it how we do it. We make it obvious. And there's so many, there's such a smaller percentage of guys that are really, like, good looking enough that girls give up. You know, it's like, like, very few men are really, like, notoriously, like, known for their looks. Like, dudes who are super into working out, like, a male model with, like, a really nice facial

structure. But, I mean, that's a tiny percentage of men. Yeah, because a lot of people don't be canned. I'd be looking at that. Like, man, how old are you? Oh, man, I'm 25. I'm like, man, he bought 55. A lot of people, they, them peels.

They drink and them pills and smoke, and they just let themselves go, and they'll be like, man, you look old. But some women don't care. Some women just want a man. Somebody could call their own. Yeah, they want a guy with money, stature, clout. They want somebody who's got their place figured out in the world.

And it's like, ultimately, it don't matter if you are 50 pounds overweight or if you're kind of ugly or whatever. We've seen that a million fucking times, yeah. Fact. How hard do you go with the party in since you've been out? Not hard. You don't do any of that? I go, I will, but no.

Drink a little? I've never my life drink. Never. Never. Never. Really? I thought you were saying something about how you did. Never.

I've never smoked cigarette, weed. I've never drank alcohol, never snorted, cocaine, heroin, nothing, never. You've never been tempted by any of it? No. You'll die without having tried any of that? Yeah. Okay. Let me say what's crazy.

One day I was thinking, I was like, man, if I became wanted, and I know that this got me on camera, there's deleting someone, and I'm like, okay, and I know when I get caught, I know I'm through. I was like, I might go try all the drugs there is, just to see how it is because it's over for me at that point. But, no, I don't think about that. Because I always think about how a lot of my friends, people I knew, got caught slipping doing that.

and drugs, you know, because that heroin, that's big down my way. So when you're on the heroin, you're just down, you're your eyes closed, you're not paying attention, and you're getting whack. From my perspective, though, you're already up because you're supposed to do that shit when you're young. Because you could take an SEC pill and have the time of your life when you're 19,

and then, like, you know, the next day you don't feel that bad. But when you're 40, like somebody offered me, Molly in the club the other day, I was just like, oh, my God. I'm like, you do not know how terrible that would make me feel the next. day. Like, I'm just not willing to do that to myself at 40. But when you're young,

like the hangover, from alcohol or whatever, it ain't that big a deal. You get all that gets miserable. Yeah, but I would like, that kind of stuff just don't pass my mind. Nah, I'll be hearing how the women go crazy when they own certain pills. And bring out the freak in them.

But when you're not up, then that freakiness is, I don't know, don't hit the same. Because now that I don't get up the same way, sometimes I'll be around chicks or rolling on Molly or whatever and I'll just be looking at him like no I cannot

this chick like that like she's barely a human being right now so you're saying she's not focused she don't know what's going on so it feels uncomfortable yeah I would feel like I was doing something wrong even if the girl never said anything I would still feel like this is weird for me to be sober and

somebody who's in the state of mind but if I was in that state of mind I wouldn't even notice that she was in that state of mind yeah I ain't look at it like that my thing is because if she, an adult, and if she willingly take this pill and knowing this pill, going to have her freaky,

because there are a lot of them want to take these pills and don't want to remember. You know, because I've heard a lot of females, be like, wake up in a bed and they're like, we did something? I was so messed out. I don't know what we could. Oh, all right.

Yeah, I've been there plenty of times, too, but then I also had the girl try to act like something that happened. Yes, I ain't going to. It ain't cute anymore once they're, like, upset about it. I've had that happen. Plenty times we're waking when the bed with a girl

and they're like, we, oh my God, that's crazy. It's all good. We're going about the day. I don't care. Like, yeah,

we're getting loaded together back in the day, whatever. But then once they try to, like, turn it into a narrative, that's when you got a problem. Right. How much of people's fascination with you

you think has to do with just the fact that our culture now has this, like, over the top fascination with killers. And you're like the rare dude who could tell that story and not have to be. worried about the repercussions.

How much the culture? Yeah, because, you know, somebody like King Ron is like massively celebrated by the culture at this point. You know, like people, there's tons of dudes from Chicago who like, before they started rapping or who never even rapped and their name is like huge, everybody knows who they are and it's because they killed a bunch of people. That's what goes on. And sometimes, I used to love, I always

wanted the attention. I wanted people to be scared of me. I wanted people to fear me, respect me. But as I've gotten older, I realize all those are the bad thing. I want somebody to like me. Because when you're feared, someone's scared you, that's when they're trying to get rid of you. By any means, put a head on you, put you in jail, they got to get you out of the way because they fear you. But in this day and time, you got the youngsters, even the older people, who not really in the streets want to live through you. They want to live. If they're cool with you or they know you like,

oh yeah, you're a step. Oh, yeah, you didn't do this and this. They honor that stuff. And I'd be like, man. But, and I look at it like, I was part of that. So I was like, I was part of the problem. How do you feel? How did you become the solution now?

And these days, these youngsters don't want to hear that. Some of them be like, man, well, get out of here, man. You did this. So it was our turn. But you get that little handful that to sit down and listen and be like, okay. Because I had a few. don't tell me, man,

I'll listen to your video, man, I'm about to go ride with my home, I'm about to do this, I'm about to go retaliate on something, man. But, man, I appreciate your OD. I was like, all right, good looking out. So you get that little handful that I pay attention and don't want

them, that are, it's the peer pressure. So once they realize, like, it's okay to say no. It's okay not to want to get in that call with your friends. Then they'd be like, you know what? I'm going to go ahead on and listen to what O.G. saying, because I want to be out of my family.

but the majority to them they don't want to hear that. Right. They want to go see what's going on in prison because I tell them and I understand it because it's hard to fathom what goes on in prison

if you've never been there. Oh, you're saying they want to find out what's going on in prison. So they'll shoot somebody and to them getting locked up is not even the worst situation. But it's not like you're getting

a couple years. Like if you kill somebody and they convict you, you're probably getting 15, 20 years. But you got all your homeboards, your gang, banging friends. Right.

Some people think the feds is just this big place all by the go in the fair. It's overrated. They're thinking you live in good, golf, cool, swimming pool. Man, no, in the camp they had that stuff. But in the penitentiary, it's just a wall.

You're just looking up at the sky. You know, there's a bunch of miserable men. People want to gang, fight. People want to stab people up behind drugs, gambling, and all kinds of stuff that go on in the penitentiary. You know, you got sales. You got a clinic called real estate. This might be all blood, all crips, all GDs, all Muslims.

Everybody got their cells. You can't go in their cell. You know, so nobody I don't want to live like that There's enough politics Too much politics going on in federal prison Right You got one man telling you what to do

You'd be looking like man On the streets You'd be my worker On the streets I would never spoke to you Or look your way But now he ran in prison So you gotta get in line

You gotta fall in line If you don't They're gonna roll your body down Mm I'll have to tie in that federal system It's just crazy That people are that Eager to kill somebody too

Because like let's say you get Locked up at 20 and you get out at 30 it's like the young hot boy part of your life is already almost over and it's like yeah all right you now you have a reputation as a killer but I mean you just wasted 10 years

realistically all the people that were around all the bitches that are around when you're 20 have moved on they have kids they've found husbands they've moved on in their life this new crop of hot little 18 19 20 year old girls they don't give a like they're not paying attention

to a 30 year old unless you really got money or whatever like you have the reputation for smoking some is, I mean, how much is that really going to matter? It's like these dudes who are making that decision seem like they're really misled about the value of having that reputation, right? Because, see, a lot of people don't realize that time don't wait for nobody.

They be thinking, because I should think like that, man, I had the block, the hood. But then as years when I realized, oh, it's the next man up. Or is just the next person that's bowling. This is the next person that's the women crazy about and then your women from your age now they're older working, beer bellies now.

You're looking at like, man, but you're looking at the daughter or the niece or the cousin. And you're like, man, that girl is such, oh, she didn't got fine now. Man, she's grown now, this and this. So time won't wait for nobody. But people in prison, because a lot of people work out, preserving themselves.

So they're thinking, like, man, when I get out, I was going to be this. And that's how I was thinking. Like, when I get out, I'm going to see, girl I'm gonna go get and I'm like women married have their lives have children they're moved on and they not caught up with the hot boy gangston them more like boy you old now man sit down somewhere you know they got that got all this stuff going on yeah because that shit is primarily cool in your 20s yeah a lot of shit all the like I remember girls like when I was 18

19 they all wanted a day like from where I'm from like a dude who was in a band or some of shit like a guy who was making music for a living tour and everything and then you fast forward 10 years And it's like, girls are a lot more concerned with finding a guy who's got like a stable financial situation or is able to, you know, take care of them. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So, okay, like looking back at that time period, though, like before you really fully got in the streets, what was the state of your mind that made you vulnerable enough to want to start making those decisions? Like looking back on it, what were the components that were in place that made you so willing to get into the streets and start putting in work like you did?

The materialistic things. I would see children my age, polo shirts, feet out of tennis shoes on, rebogs, Nike, whatever shoes and style. And my mother worked that chair. I mean, at the Sheraton Hotel on Connell Street. So she got to provide for three boys. and we can't really get all this stuff. So I'm like, man, I'm about to start going steel out the store. And then once I got that gun in my hand and I felt the power of the gun,

it just was a whole different feeling now. And when you're in the neighborhood, right where you're on your bicycle or on your moped or in the car, in the young girls, your AC, you driving a, and yay, they're sitting on a porch. And I look at a little short, she got a crush on me. But in my mindset, it was the older female. else that I was after because I know I can get the young ones to one my age I want the older ones and once I start getting attention it's like I crave that it's like I want more it's like

you know what people like how a person say they when they smell blood they just want more and more that's how it was for me it's like once I got a taste of the street life materialistic stuff and the money the car the clothes the girls I want it more and more and then it's just be too far you be too far gone so ain't no man I'm a chill now I'm about to retire you because you took too many lives, and then the enemy's not going to let you chill. So that's why I understand when people be saying, man, all that work for nothing. You put all this work in the street, you're a rat, and that, so... But can you tell the victim's family, brothers, cousins, friends that I'm a rat, don't kill me?

It don't make sense. People just say stuff that sound good. There's a lot of parrots. Whatever sound pretty cool, yeah, I'm a rock with that, yay, and they just mock with somebody else's sake. Right. You know, but it was just the materialistic things, the fan base, the young girls, older girls, dudes who are older than me, respecting me, you know, want to hang out. What's her, a little tee, what's up?

Then I became a little gangster. Then I started feeling myself. I took the little girl. I'm gangster now. And I would travel all around the wall. I just didn't stay in my neighborhood. Because you got some gangsters that's really steppers, but they stay in their neighborhood. Right.

I would travel outside different wards, meet different guys from jail and go hang out with them and kick it with them. So now I'm all around. Right. Because that's one thing that stands out to me when I'm looking at your life story is that you come from like this drug game, which is like that's kind of like the, it's not like everybody who died in your story was a direct participant in that. But that's like the primary thing that was taking place. Whereas when you look at Chicago, a lot of the people killing each other are not even pretending to have. have anything going on, hustle-wise or whatever. It's just straight up.

We don't get along with your neighborhood, so we're going to kill you so that we can make our neighborhood look good, make myself look good, make people, and they want people to gossip about it. They want the rumors to be out there about it, and they don't really care that that obviously inevitably is going to trickle down to the cops knowing about it as well, as long as they feel like it's not going to be able to be proven. But, I mean, I meet people who, I had a kid on the podcast a couple months ago who ended up getting caught for a murder from 2017, like two weeks after we did the

I'm sure he thought seven years later that he was good, but, you know, turns out, and who knows to what extent the cops were like, oh, he did no jumper, let's go make sure we get him. But, I mean, that's just crazy. No, let me tell it was crazy. Over and over and over and over, we see people come on podcast and want to brag about stuff they haven't been convicted for, when I brag about stuff their homeboys did,

knowing good and well, the federal state authorities are listening. They're watching. And just for that one viral moment, they throw their life away. And I'd be like, man, you just saw this dude got arrested, you just saw this dude get arrested, you just saw this

dude get arrested, you just saw this dude. And you think, and then people are not watching your interview, they watch everything. They're listening. But these people in general, it ain't just a youngster, this is old people too. Right, because you're kind of alluding to the KVD situation. Yeah, I was thinking about that's what I had in mind

I'm like right there should be on everybody When you come in the podcast I ain't now be careful You know what I'm saying But a lot of people Be thinking Well they're not going to get me Or they're not going to watch this one

They might miss this one And Very optimistic And you got Epistimistic Because you got people That were really Tune into

No Jumper It's so much going on no jumper So we're going to take And this is what I learned when they had me on the investigation. One of the agents told me, it was a police of one of them, oh, he said, man, because his shift was three o'clock.

He said, man, when your phone will ring three, four in the morning, I'd be like, answer the phone, pick up the phone, but you wouldn't answer that phone. I'm looking like, what did you talk to me? Man, that was my shift. So I wanted some action. And I was like, wow, so they take shifts. They're around the clock.

See, people think there might be just one age disappointed to this, and then he got to go to sleep for it. eight hours and then it's the free time. No, they got other people round the clock shifts like regular jobs. You know, but a lot of people, they don't get it until it really happened to them because my homie,

Killer Stone, he's deceased, he's always telling me, you know you go to favor about talking on the phone? I said, maybe he can't lock me if talking on the phone, they don't know it's me. And I got 20 years for telling my co-definner, we're going to kill them. You know, so, man, and I'd just be hoping that I could just show them people,

this is what happened to me, this is my life, this is what happened to me. y'all take it from now. So after everything that happened, you ultimately went down for basically acknowledging it on a phone call. Mm-hmm.

The guy was wired first, and then he would beat me. I would call him, then they tapped my phone two months later. The good thing is, before those two months, it was a bunch of violent talk.

Oh, you want murder, says, okay, oh, he got killed, oh, how much over his head, and how much this? A bunch of murder talk. It didn't write, like, the people would tap my, They had me on the investigation of 97.

They finally got my phone tap October of 97. No, no, no, no. They had me on the best day, October of 97. They finally got it. While you tap February of 98, locked me up in March of 98. So they didn't get much. And I was like, man, that's a sign right there,

let me know, okay, God was watching old me and God have a purpose for me. So that's why I be trying to get these youngsters to the game. But so they got you for saying we're going to kill him? You didn't have to actually take steps towards that? No, this was happening. This is how I had to go. If me and this mic selling, we're doing drug deals. The phase is listening because there's water got us busted, right?

As long as there's no violent talking, they're going to let us continue to drill to build up the case, the drugs, right? But the minute I tell one of these microphones or this light, hey, this microphone breaking in 10, 15 kilos of heroin I want to kill him when he gets here they'd be like, no, man, we're not going to do it. Man, I want to kill him.

The feds have to step in and terminate the investigation now because at one time this is let you do everything just so they could have a more solid case. Now they, they're liable for this murder now. They're the ones that's accountable for this. So now by them listening, they got to go step in and stop it.

So when my Kinnett came down, I was like, man, we're going to bring them to your house, time him and kill him. We're going to do them later. She said, no, we're not using my house to kill. Man, we're going to time up and do them later. So they gave me solicitation to commit murder. Whereas if my co-defendant would say, all right, yeah, we're going to kill them later, I would have got conspiracy to commit murder.

So that's what happened to me on the phone, telling my code offending that I want to do this to these people. Right. And they gave me time for saying what I wanted to do and I didn't do it. Does that feel kind of weird to get such a huge amount of time for talking about doing something after having done so much? Well, see, I was going to get, I was looking at 10 years for that, but when my co-defendant with the bragging about

uncharged homicides, they enhanced me, and by me being charged with solicitations to commit murder, they gave me the max, and that carried 20 years then. I don't know what to carry it now, but they didn't carry the 20, so they gave me the max on it. Right. Damn. When you look back

at where you're coming from in New Orleans and shit, was it already this culture of killing people that you had opposition towards, or were you in your crew, were you kind of like the early generation of that becoming the norm? No, that's been going on. It was gangsters and killers that we looked up to. I would literally sit on a porch and watch them,

studded them, and see where they stashed their gun, how they had their guns. That's how I learned so much in the game. No, it's been going on. Right. But you feel like you guys kind of took it to a night, other level? Not really because there was a

generation before us. Well, we was with the I don't like to say the generation part, but there were some guys that were a little older than us. They had a bulletproof truck with homicide spray painting on it. Whoa. They're in the phase

now in the phase, one of the leader tried to get out in the phase, talked about that and I'm saying about the homicide truck they had, how they would walk up with AK-47, down there a victim and will walk off. Some people do that and run all. They were look and just walk off.

And so these guys are in the fed now. So there were some notorious guys before us. So we just sit back and watch them. And once we got old doing, now we out, it's like, I heard what y'all did. I haven't written some of the stuff y'all did. So now I'm doing it now. So don't get out the way now.

I want to test this thing now. So some of them respect us and all right, come on my wing. I'm going to teach you this, this, this, this, this. Some of them stay their distance and doing what they're doing. But, no, I always tell people New Orleans, It's full of gangsters killers, every hood, every ward. So it's hard to pinpoint what it's from who did the most, who did this, who the real is, who the hardest.

That's hard because it's somebody in every hood, every project you can name. That's like, oh, yeah, he's a real one. Oh, yeah, he was a step. Oh, yeah, he don't play. He was a good fighter. So I just be like, I just like the history of it. But sometimes it sit back and be like, man, we don't lost a lot of lives to senseless stuff. Right.

Tell me if I'm naive for even asking this question, but is there any way for somebody from your environment to develop that kind of reputation of being somebody not to play with or somebody who has that respect without actually having to commit the violent acts? There's a guy, no, there's a guy in federal prison right now. You hit his name and people, oh, man, he had the drugs, he had the hit men, he had all the killers. but he didn't have no violence but he had a life sentence right now and he tried to get out under the first step back and they say because of your

people on your co-defendants your hitman your enforcers that killed the people on this place here or because they had the bulletproof truck they deny his motion and he have no violence on his case but he have a big name in my city

and his co-defendants were the wild violent ones he don't have no violence but people look at it. at him like he was the steper and he was the cold killer. Yes, that's possible. Okay. So it is possible, but what about like not doing the killing or officiating it?

That's what I'm the time. That's him. But he was ordering it. No, something and stuff, he didn't have nothing. He just was the drug supply it. Like, say if I'm supplying this water with drugs and it's just water got all the killers, but I'm just associated with this water. Right.

So when we all go down, then, and I'm the head of the case, so I'm responsible for all this stuff. I almost know about. That's his situation. He don't have no violence. He was never charged or convicted for violence. But he had a big name.

Some people scared him. Some people, they respect him just because they heard his name and heard the people he was affiliated with. And there's a few other people I know like that. They just ride that wave.

There's a lot of people in the music business. So once you get to be like a popular rapper, there's a lot of rappers who have that like demon image. But when you actually watch the documentaries about who's thought to be the killers from their hood or whatever, it's not them.

Yeah, right. But that's a thing about Chicago is that as time goes by, it feels more and more like the rappers who get popping are not really going to get that respect or get treated as if they're this crazy. Unless they actually were the ones doing it. Right. That's why I want to be, I'm going to become a rap. I got an album coming out. You serious? I'm going to drop the video on your platform.

Okay. I don't say you see it. Sure. That was capping, y'all. Because people were really good in my DM. Oh, you get it. Oh, that's what I got so. I got beat for, every time I play like that, they flood my DM.

Really? Man, that's why I just be enjoying life. That's why I be like, I never won't go back to jail. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because, like, I'll put, just to give you a random one, there's this dude, little Jeff who started popping off out of Chicago.

I just followed him a couple weeks ago. He followed me back, talking to him about possibly doing an interview or whatever. And he just got killed. And then the video comes out, and it reveals. that basically like him and his boys were in their ops neighborhood trying to kill somebody and then somebody comes out of the house braze them up and kills him and it's like there's video it's not the best quality video but you can see like little pieces of all this shit and then i just seen a fan page posting up graphics images basically like advertising the bodies that this dude

allegedly had you're talking about a young ass kid too so all this is taking place online you see the video of the killing taking place of him trying to kill someone and then getting killed. And then you also have the fans who, I mean, I'll give it to him that they probably know some shit that we don't know that they're saying, no, these are exactly who he killed or who he was associated with. I'm like, this is a state of affairs when all this shit is happening. He just got popular as a rapper. He gets killed in that. Like, he's still stepping. He's still doing that kind of shit.

Then he gets killed. It's all on camera. And then they're releasing like information claiming that he did all this other shit. I'm like, what the fucking is even is this music? Like, this is insane. You know, but I don't, I don't, me personally, I don't just blame it on the music. I look at just social media in general because when I'm on social media, there's no music playing. What it is, like I might have my money, my jewelry, my car, my girl, all my collections on my new artillery,

and I'm showing out for the gram, or I'm showing out for Facebook or Snapchat or online, whatever they're doing. and now, and then they're trying to troll their ops. So they make it fun. Oh, yeah, we just spent this. So, now, because I know when we was out, when we were spinning the bins and pulling up, we didn't listen to music. I know what I did.

I need to be focused. I didn't know what I'm going to do. I didn't know what's going on. Now, I don't know these youngsters out here listen to music to get them hype to go through what they're going to do. But I know they, I've been seeing them making this songs about their ops. You know, and a lot of that stuff is,

it's not shocking to me because one of the guys who deleted one of my friends I wore a t-shirt with him and his brother with the rest of peace on the graveyard with the A.K. shooting their grave up and they were still alive. So that's why I'm going to be shocked with a lot of this stuff that these youngsters be doing, talking about the ops, the deceased, and all that stuff. Because we did stuff like that,

but we didn't do it in songs, you know, but we did it with the clothes or a certain way because they didn't have social media back then. But they more reckless and there's too many of them. It was only three of us so we could all keep up. But when you got 20, 30 homies all beefing with this, black and these people here, it's too many of us. So somebody, it's going to be some funerals.

Because y'all are too deep. Well, you're deep like that and you're careless. So now the main thing we like when you're on the streets is women. Go holland him, get them over here, tell them come up out of the hotel. I meet him and meet him, and me church his house. And I'm ops coming, you know, because I know what we used to do. So I look at a lot of that stuff. The other youngsters here.

Like I saw that guy Or was with his family With his children family He pulled up in that car He jumped out in Chicago And hit him up You know I was like whoa

You know And it's crazy because I once Live that life But I still be shocked At how They just jumping out I was spinning I'd be like man

They all got no respect I mean It's something Especially disturbing About that one Because his kid is right Next to him And he's holding

Like a pink Valentine's Day Type project That his kid Was clearly work on In school and shit Seeing his kids run I mean like

It's bad enough just knowing that this shit happened, but seeing the video and realizing just how disturbing the shit is and just realizing that the dude was like so focused on it that he ran right up to him. Because a lot of times when you see these shootings and shit, it's kind of from a distance with a switch or whatever, but like he's with his kids, so they just run right up to him and make sure that they get him. It's just, I don't know.

Seeing that, it just was especially dark. My thing would be with this. We live in that life. We out here. We're having fun. We up. But you know you got a family. And in this day and time, there's no rule.

They don't respect the family. We're going to catch you where we could catch you, how we could catch you, whatever time and day it is. I don't care we need to catch you. We need to delete you or we need to have a funeral on that side. And that's what's going on the day. So a lot of these guys want to jump in the videos, hang out with their homie, be seen in that video,

knowing you got a family, knowing you ain't hurt nobody but your family. Because I would tell two people, when you're in the street life, it's only two things at the end of the day. death of prison. That's what come with the game. In terms of people not caring about, you know, family members being there

or family members witnessing this or family members getting hit in a shootout, when do you feel like that started to change, though? Obviously, you were probably locked up. Yeah, I was locked up for that. Yeah, because I remember, I remember I was with an old head in the car. I was driving.

We pulled up and he saw one of his ops and the app was in a car with his family member with a mother and his children. He told him, man, the day you were lucky day. And I was like, okay, the OG respected the family. So that's why I'd be like, man, these youngs are here. They don't care they're going to cut you.

You kept your daughter in your hand. Well, there was a situation like that, too. One of my homeboys, he had his niece in his hand, and his sister was right there. So the dude come around in a project told him put the baby down. He put the baby down and the dude, add him out. Yeah, man. So these are just different, man, these days. but, you know, and I'd be like, man,

I'd be, sometimes I'd be shocked and amazed at what they're doing. I'd be like, I've been to a lot of stuff, staff, shock, car wreck, juvenile, jail, state, federal, deleted people myself, but then when I see them doing it, I be like, man, and my heart go out to them, and I forget that I was once them. No, so that's why I be like, man, how can I help these young, what can I tell these youngsters?

You know, and I get a lot of attention. I get a lot of children, parents that let me talk to their children and that listen to me. But I be like, man, and I, and sometimes I get frustrated a little bit with them young because they don't be wanting to hear it sometime. And I think, well, you was young, you didn't want to hear it. Right. You know, so what I do, I've learned this, Adam, when I pull up with the children or when I talk to the average youth, you can't go empty hand.

You got to go bearing gifts. They don't want to hear no talk. We don't want to hear that. We're in his hood. and we're trying to survive, we're trying to come up, you won't have nothing for, beat it.

Because I had somebody tell me that the other day, like an 18-year-old criminal, gang member, whatever, will listen to a 25-year-old, but they won't listen to a 40-year-old. Yeah, because that's too far in a gap. They can kind of see themselves in the 25-year-old, even them might be getting a little bit older to the point where they don't want to listen to them,

but you go up to, like, a 40-year-old, and I think about how I felt about my dad when I was a kid and shit. It's like, you are old, goofy man. Like, I'm not going to hear you talk about what I should be doing with my life or not. So, I mean, but do you feel a little bit of that? Like, no matter how much wisdom you got, a kid has every reason to give you the benefit of the doubt and to take your advice.

And still, they're going to kind of like invent reasons in their head to be like, nah, you don't know what he's talking about, right? The only reason why I don't get that kind of pushback is because of two things. First, cash money and the hot boy. So that cashman and hot boy name still rang. So that's attached to me. And that's why I get the love and respect. And that's why I could talk to a lot of them.

I got to use that first. Listen, man, I've been shot up. You know, Hurricane Katrina hit. I wasn't there to take care of my chew. I wasn't at a kid. I wasn't at a kid. You know, you're the provider at a household. You know, when you go to jail, your best friend, your man, so you're rocking with

who you're going to be there, he's going to be there hump and your girl. So when you go to jail, you're going to be there. You're all right, come. Let's go out. And she's going to be. vulnerable and for, you know, oh, I made a mistake. That happened to you? No, that happened to a lot of people.

A lot of people. Yeah, they ain't happened to me. No, indeed. Because I had women that was respectful. They left me. Nah, they did leave me now. That's no secret. 27 years, I mean.

But, you know, but back and forward, I still was able to talk to them. See, my main thing was, because I always took care of my children. And I've always took care of other children. So I've always had that love. So a lot of women looked at like, you know what? Because I remember one year of me and my mother, we went. bought toy for 23 children. This is the time I was in my prime,

wilding out, doing all kind of violent stuff, but I was still looking out for the hood. It was an older guy. He was living in his abandoned house. I went and bought them clothes from Walmart back then. And I was $20 a short this night. And my mother walked in, and she used to come to this Walmart.

I think it was a K-Mart. But anyway, and I was like, wow, because I was getting his band some clothes. I wonder if he's still alive now, but yeah, so I've always been the one that I know how to reach the children. I know how to get to them. I know how to talk to them because you can't come in there. Oh, look, man, sit down.

Let me tell you something. All that scared straight. People don't want to hear that. Right. Because I know if somebody older me coming yelling and hootting the head in my mind, man, get out of my face. You know what I'm saying? So I just have a way pulling up, talking to him. But I do know this, Adam.

You can't talk to him one time. You got to constantly be in their faith because they have a short tension span in this day and time. So you got to constantly be in their faith because they have a short tension span in this day and time. So you got to constantly be on them, like have a weekly, two, three time a week. Pull up, talk. Let's kick it. Let's go do something. Let's go on a trip and stuff.

That's the thing they need to implement in these hoods, bringing these youngsters on trips. Because that's the thing is you could have a really big impact on your own children. But in terms of being able to, like, coach or motivate, like, a group of various kids, it's like they're going to have to really have a reason to trust you. It's going to be difficult for them to find that, especially because if you're spreading a message of, like put the guns down don't be in the streets i mean you're up against all of these extremely catchy uh irresistible little dirk songs that if you really look at it like a king bond song a king bond album a little dirk album etc it's just like full of like quotes that are basically like motivational murder quotes yeah if you can't get the main you better get his guys if you if your man's

Killer ain't dead, you can't wear no RIP shirt. These are like really well thought out, catchy quotables that are basically like insisting that people kill each other. And I mean, I can't deny that. I like the music a lot too. But it also is like, you know, it's hard to beat that when you have these like young flashy dudes who are some of the most successful people in our culture, basically like insisting to kids through their music.

And they'll say it's just music. You know, you run into this from time to time. I remember when 21 Savage had some tweets where he was saying, you know, we got to stop the killing. And everybody goes nuts, quote tweeting them on Twitter, just posting up all this different lyrics, you know, spin the block and we go spin it again and all this shit. And it's like, how can you make murder anthems and then tell people to stop murdering each other? Because you are, what you call, what I've learned, an influencer. And people like the blind follow that's been going on, you know. If you preach in a day that we're going to pull up on his block,

and we're going to shut the whole block down. All right, we're with that. All right, now listen, y'all, don't know us. Let's take a break. Put the guns down. Y'all, chill out. All right, big homie, because they feel like you already encourage us to go do some violence,

so we know you're with the bull. Now you're telling us to be cool, so now in the eight sick mind, okay, now he teaches us how to get away with it, how to be cool and how to sneak attack again. So that's how you can control them because when you come an influencer, now you've got a way to push these strains

and go do this. All right, nah, nah, nah, no, no, you go. All right. Now, you go on the mission. And them little young said, all right, big homie, I got you. But be broke. Can't pay for a lawyer. Can't born out of jail.

Don't have nothing. They're out here wilding and be broke. That's the difference that. We had money. Yeah. We kept money, put up. We had money. Plenty money.

We had so. Because the root of why you had a reputation to protect or the root of why you're outside in the first place was the fact that y'all had this business going on in terms of selling drugs. everything. Facts. Right. Selling drugs, taking his robbing people. It's logical to be beefing with other people when you're fighting for drug turf. But like so much of the gang shit at this point, it has nothing to do with that.

Yeah, they're just doing it just for the reputation. Who got the hardest crew who could take down the most ops on that, who could have the most funerals, you know? But I just be like, these little young boys, and like you say, the first thing they look at, what the people did before them, I would do them. Okay, like I saw a guy another day on social media

his brother in the coffin and he got a cigarette or weed or something in his mouth. And he's there, he's in the coffin though. And they're laughing and thinking that was something cool. I said, what the world is going on? Right. He really had his brother in the coffin

and he had the blunt or whatever in his mouth and it was lit and the smoke was coming up and they thought it was like yeah, he's smoking his last out pack, but it was like, well, look, he the one got smoked because he didn't a coffin. Right.

But he had his blunt and his brother's mouth and he was like, thought that was something cool. That's a weird transition that I've seen from just interviewing people and shit is that it used to be that dudes were almost like proud to have dead homies and now a lot of times dudes

will like almost deny that they have any dead homies. Like they'll try to make it like no, that's the shit that happens to them. Like we get, nobody's, nobody's doing that to us. Yeah. And I'm kind of like, oh,

this is a big, like that like up the score like let's keep track of the score that's like very real to a lot of people to the point where they almost like don't want to like claim that somebody was their friend if they got cut yeah that's crazy my friends friends um i always looked at i always i don't like to say friends because i have the right amount of money i take it here to kill a friend so i's always looking at like my mother had you or your mother had me like you're my brother but all my people i've lost into the game I think about him. And two things kind of my mind is

I don't want to live that. I don't want to be the one landing that ground. I don't want my mother's children had to come visit me in a grave. I know that's real. So I'm going to always speak on them, talk about them, even though we lost in that situation.

But that was still my brother. So, you know, I'm going to keep that with me at all time. Since I've been home, I've always spoke about the original hotboard. homie, kill us, all of them that's deceased. You know, because they were somebody when it was out, too, you know, when it was on the earth. So, and it goes back to what we say, you live by that gun, you're going to die by that gun.

You know, we live that life. 1996 or whatever, I'm in my mom's bedroom watching MTV and I see the Ha! Video. Where were you for that? I was home. You were still home for the Haugh video, because I feel like to a lot of the country, that's really what put them on to it. How I didn't come out to like 98, 99.

Oh, okay. I was in a federal prison there. Oh, so you're already gone by that point. I got locked up. March 6th, 1999, cash money got the deal in March 30, something, March 30, something like that, on 1998.

The same month I got locked up. Okay. They got the deal. So BG was set to go first, but he was in jail, so that's how juvenile went first. And before people think I'm lying, like that's what happens to your brain

as you get older there. Oh, you can easily be misestimated some shit by like three years. Yeah, you're right. I like how you're clear. that a dick show me and them copy. Oh,

Harry, you don't know what you're talking about it? Yeah. Look at you lying trying to act like, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

because soldier rag was out when I was out in 96, 97 one of them. Okay. BG had to back that thing. I mean, and even as you correct me in my mind,

it still feels like I was in sixth grade when I saw that. I don't know. I guess I was probably wrong, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

because like I said, I got like them in March and they didn't drop big timers in juvenile until like in the 98 somewhere up in there. They'll back the thing up how all that come out then.

I was locked up for that. Yeah. Definitely. But have you seen that video? You remember that video? Because, you know, we had BETT, the big ticket of the basement. We had all that.

People still talk about that video in particular as just being one of the greatest hip-hop visuals of all the time. I was mad when I first heard that. Why? Because I know Juvie rap. I know how juke could rap. And when that, I was like, man,

all the stuff he got to pick this bull. And that was a hit. But it really blew up once Jay-Z got on the remix. Oh, right. When Jay-Z got on that remake, because at that time, Jay-Z was doing numbers. Yeah. He was, because they kept looking at Jay-Z number. He was at gold.

And then when he jumped on, when Jay-Z album was going, I think he had reached gold at that time before he had went platinum. Because he had went platinum that same week or days after whatever. But then he jumped on that juvenile high. And he boosts juvenile up, too. And then I was like, okay. Then they dropped that, back that thing up. And I was like, okay, cool.

And that is really a testament to Jay-Z's genius, too, that he didn't really want to do records with almost, anybody from the East Coast besides his dudes that were assigned to him but then he would go tapping with UGK and he would go work with juvenile and like there was a Jay album where the only feature was juvenile I forget which album that was and shit but that's like a real testament to him realizing that he could benefit from the down south sauce and didn't need to be like taking energy from like other dudes who are from the same city as him he knew that he was destined to be like the big dog from his city yeah jay's just like the bully or rap like you know I'm

I'm going to do what I want to. I'm going to get on his song. And what I always liked about, I was never a Jay-Z fan, but I watched everything. And the thing that intrigued me with Jay Z, like you could diss him the day. He might wait till next year to dish you back.

But he's going to get you back. And I was like, well, I like that. This guy's smooth. Yeah, I used to like that. How he would wait a while to dish you like this when you think is over with. Jay got, oh, now you're beef with this one. Now you got to come back to try to entertain that.

But that's what I've always liked about, Jay. But Jay got something at that time that I feel like so many young artists could benefit from now, which is like understanding that he had to have interesting shit to talk about each album cycle. And he even like, I remember him having a lyric where he said, and my interviews are hotter. And that was like a time period where like your magazine interview when your album came out or whatever was like the thing. That was your rollout. That was so unbelievably important. And he would take all his drama and all his issues they wanted to speak on and shit. and he would hold it all in for a year,

year and a half, whatever it was, until he was ready to use that, to boost up his album, which is something that a lot of people get now, like now when, you know, a Money Bag Yo drops an album or some shit,

chances are that's the same time period where you're going to see Money Baggie Yo come out and say some shit about some people that he don't like because he wants to make his name ring bells at that time. Like getting hot as an artist is a very specific skill to getting your name out there. And it's like the more your name is not really out there in the lead up to that,

it's almost like the better, off you are because people don't really want to be inundated with information about you year after year all month alone. And it's going to make to what I say about social media. You just gave me a valid point. XXL, Source Magazine, Hip-Hop Weekly, essence, we used to look forward to the magazines, but when social media comes, now we don't see them on magazines. Never.

You know what I'm saying? That stuff gone. It's like social media had another thing. back of the day the labels dictate who's going to be hot now the fans dictate that

right you get you a song for that thing on TikTok get some of the dance to it get you a viral moment they're not gonna do now hey we're able to give you

two three million or 300,000 whatever sign your life away to this book we're gonna put you this single out for you and the social media and took over everything

right no definitely I'm reading a prodigy from Bob Deeb's book or I'm listening to it rather because he did like an audio book thing back before he passed and he uh he's talking about how like they had a real reputation in queens for just being flashy and having money even before their music really started to connect

and they were real respected in the streets and shit and when i'm listening to it i'm just picturing like these dudes would not have had to wait to get signed if you were young and like really have emotion from your city and people for you and thought that you were successful and shit the label shit don't even matter like you would just be like a youtube sensation and then the labels would have to figure out from there. And like that's such a weird, unique situation that doesn't, you know, exist anymore where it's like you don't really need anybody to blow you up if your music is all right and you seem like you've actually already made it.

If you seem like you have a reputation or that you're respected in your hood, then it's just going to happen. Yeah, that's true. But, you know, like you said, these days, this day and time, social media. You got your hot song, bring that thing to the club, and they don't have to spend a lot of money. like, shout out the Wendy Day. I had met with her a few months ago,

and she said, you know, I like that. Shout out Wendy, she's great. Yes, my baby. Legend. Yes. She's like, you know, she said, Gaines, you know, I'm still the old way. She wants to spend the $250,000

to half a bean and get an artist hot. I'm like, Wendy, that's a, because I was like, when I was putting $20,000 in my audit. She looked at me, she said, she said, baby, that ain't no money. She heard my field. I said, what?

I was like, where the $20 to go? She's like, you know, gained something up and I was like wow you're right you know you know that she still just that's her way you know of breaking the artist but I'm like no Wendy this day and time you give me a nice hot song put that thing get somebody to dance so get some oh with that young boy man out of Florida his song when craigs when Rick Roth's baby mother uh dance there's something to his song you know so you know you just need one person famous or just a person just to go on TikTok or one of social media dance to your song and you got yourself something you know

You know, but social media help you and it hurts us. Right. Because spending 20,000 to try to make an artist hot is like a total gamble. Like realistically, the percentage is, like, even if you're spending a quarter million, it's like, there's a chance that that should have really worked. But also, like, if you find an artist who already has motion in terms of YouTube views, in terms of Instagram, et cetera, like, that's usually the one you're going to want to put your money into. Like, it's very hard to get them off the ground floor, unless you really have, like, a voice or, you know, a platform that's able to put them up there. But I also have seen so many people in my situation,

so many people who, you know, are big artists themselves, try to put an artist on and, like, we'll be hammering people over the head with this person for six months. And it just doesn't really, doesn't really do anything. Like if the people don't care, they just don't care.

Yeah. Do you think radio play helps? Definitely helps, but I feel like if you want to get popping as a street rapper, I feel like you've got to build the base on, YouTube and shit, like early on. Like, that's just where this happens. Like, people just...

Like, I interviewed drill rappers all the time who were like, yeah, I put out a song and it just started going crazy. Like on YouTube. That's their explanation. They didn't spend any money on it. They just put it out. The algorithm did the rest.

Now they're on no jumper. Now they're on acoly wherever. It's like... They just put the song on. The algorithm did the rest. Now, granted, there's a lot of people who are making dope music that

the algorithm just doesn't shine upon them. And they might have to be the ones who are invested money in promo and all that kind of stuff. But it's also, like from my perspective, and I'd like to know what you think of this, most of the artists that are in my face that I feel like, oh, I could sign them and I could help them and I could make them bigger or whatever. It's like a lot of the content is just so violent, so gang oriented that

I don't, like, I'll interview them, but I don't really want to be like seen as somebody who has this like long-term relationship with this person. I don't really want to be wrapped up in their politics and especially an LA artist. I can sign a messy as Chicago artist. I can sign a messy as Chicago artist, okay, that's all the way for there. Out here where I got to lay my head at, that seems like a much bigger decision. Yeah, of course. Where do you stand on all that? Yeah, I agree with that because

a lot of these youngsters starting to beef, have beef, and if a person know you the money behind this artist, or you're going to try to eliminate you. You know, we've got to get rid of him. We've got to get rid of their money. Because he, the one is allowing

them their voice. And that's why I tell a lot of people when I be on social media, if I'm going through it with certain people, I'd be like, I'm not about to see my enemy make money because that same enemy might make money, get powerful, get bigger than me, and then come in and annihilate me. Just wipe me off. So it's like, I still take some of my street stuff to the internet because I know on the internet people play dirty, people trying to get you out the way.

They hate on your view. They don't want you with you. They don't want to see you be successful on you too. so I'd be like, oh, okay, I see him. I see what he doing. I see how they're moving, you know. So that's why I watch a lot of stuff, you know. I pay attention.

And somebody, a guy I was going at the other day, and he was just talking about you and Vlad, and he said academics. And I was like, he's like, you want to be like them? I was like, they have millions of subscribers. Of course I want to be like that. That's what I'm striving to get. that's what I want to look to

because I tell people for me coming from the hood coming from federal prison now I'm home and I see I could sit in my house or in an office space and with a mic and just talk my talk why not I can make legal money

and I won't have to get out and do no kind of violent no crime man I'm with that but back to you with the artists I have an artist he been Angola from the hood uptown he's a gangster,

but he's not putting out gangster music. He made music for the women. And I looked at him, I was like, he said, but think about it. Why would I put out something? I really used to live that. And everybody trying to cover that market. I'm going over here for the ladies.

When you get the women, the men going to come. I was like, okay. And he went there to video. We got the song. It's a nice, nice song, nice video. And I'm like, okay. But I haven't let people know this. my artist because you know what I got going on and you might have some rappers out there

might like him might feel like boy you're a dope artist but because you affiliated with gangster I ain't messing with you so that's why I don't announce this my artist or this my people or y'all check this out because I don't want to I don't want what I got going on to affect him would you announce it like once he reached a certain level of success yes once it was like too late to undo it yeah I'm like nah nah nah nah yeah I did that. But okay, what you were saying before, though, is like, with me, Vlad, Act, I mean, the only argument you could really make is that our content is so divisive and so bad

for the culture that that's why nobody should want to be like us. Because if you look at me, Ack and Vlad, like, we're three of the people that kind of, like, figured out the internet and how content making on the internet was going to work way before a lot of other people. You know, Vlad's been doing this shit like on YouTube for like almost 20 years. You know, like, uh, AC was like the first person. and really documenting like street beef on YouTube and making these little videos about it

and shit like that. And, you know, he's learned a lot. You know, he used to, the way he used to talk about the Chicago shit was very disrespectfully be making up all these little nicknames and turning everybody into like the Wolverina Shirek, all that kind of crazy shit. But, you know, from my perspective, it's like, if there's a market for that kind of content

where people want to find out what's going on in the minds of all these young street rappers, I mean, somebody's going to have to supply it. And for me personally, like, I love that shit. Like, I've always loved that shit, even if I'm not directly a part of it. But that's the thing is that me, Act, and Vlad are all not directly a part of it. Acts from, fucking Jamaica. Vlad's from, he's from the Bay Area, but he's an older guy and everything like that.

You know, it's like to a lot of people, they feel like, oh, these are just not your stories to be telling. But a lot of times it takes an outsider to really be able to document that shit. Although now you see a lot more people who are really from that environment coming into that world. making noise. Let me tell you the thing that gets to me with people in general.

I'm going to use me for example. I have a channel so people be like hey, I think you should do this, this, this, well, why are you good at telling me won't you do your own thing?

Do your channel. Don't worry about what I got going. You're trying to tell me what you think I actually do want to argue with me about what I have going on. It's a lot of people bring me down here 20-something years

wasn't doing nothing. When I come home, Adam and got on the internet started telling my hood stories. So a few of my homie did. They started. So I'm like, boy, I provide a job. Get your ideas. So now we're rolling. You know? So now

people now got a sense of, man, I see this working. Or I like this. So they see people coming to their page and it's like, okay, pretty cool, you know. So now you want to look at the Giants. You want to look at the no jumpers. Like you said, the Vlad, or academics.

You want to look at their channel and be like another one, Cam Capone. You want to look at them and be like, okay, I want to be successful like that. I want to take something from their pay. Because when I saw your podcast with all those other guys, I was like, I'm about to do that. I'm about to get me some people and start a podcast and let them bring content to my page, bring me different audience, different views. Because mind you, my YouTube channel come from me and my hood stories. I haven't lived that much in my life to keep telling those stories.

I got locked up when I was 20. Right. So. But that's what happens to everybody. Like, especially somebody like 1090, Jake, who I'm sure you're familiar with. Yeah, man. Shout 10 out of Jake. He came in the game doing prison stories, talking about his experience being locked up,

talking about all the street crap that he'd been involved, whatever. Then he kind of pivots into, like, talking to other people who've had crazy, you know, life stories and stuff like that. And then at a certain point, he kind of pivoted into just, like, making videos, talking about, you know, rap shit, snitching shit, street shit in general. So he started out with his own life experience And then like once he kind of ran out of shit that he could say about himself He pivots into like let's tell other people's stories

And let's try to be at the forefront of that which makes a shitload of sense But like he came into it Building a channel off of the fact that he was able to you know Authentically tell a lot of these stories Let me tell you another guy that's underrated that people need an interview O'Don TV is called paperwork kings Okay He gets he's been coming to the young Dolph case

for about three years or not. How about this has been going on. He got, he's very entertaining, but nobody, nobody don't want to interview him, but they all want his paperwork. They all want his information. Oh, I got to check it out. And I'd be like, man, it's called Old Nank King

and Old Nankan King paperwork. Man, this guy be coming with, and he's very entertaining. And they all ski, they don't want no smoke with him on there that he'd be going at everybody. But a lot of people are hitting him up behind the scene to get paperwork, to get information on people,

but nobody won't show this man love, and they want to go get all the information from him. He's from Carolina, but he live in Atlanta, man. Take him out, O'NNN King, Paperwork, Old Nand TV. Man, he got underrated, man, and he do just like how 10 and Jake, but he do the music, he's more entertaining, he'd go hard, man, but they know each other too.

Them too, I think, know each other, but I just like to look at a lot of these guys, platforms and I take a little here a little there, a little there. And even the stuff I'm not going to use, I still take it in and be like, okay, I see where he went wrong, so I'm going to go this route. And I see, I like to see people getting money and it's legal money. You know,

my little channel, I just paid, I had to do my taxes at him and I made $135,000. So I was like, man, okay, I'm doing something just for me not selling drugs, not, you know, doing something illegal, I'm able to sit down and this phone right here, this is the phone I use, this cell phone. right, my galaxy.

I literally will post this phone, like right here. What I was up? This OG gig did it? And I posted on YouTube. I use this phone right here. Right. And I got an iPad. I wind up investing an iPad little money.

Once I got a little money, I started investing in myself. A lot of my old videos from when I first started in like 2015, 2014, 2016, they got many, many millions of views. We're all just my phone. Yes. And this is another thing. This would be the problem a lot of people because they want to start a podcast and they shut it down because they want to do.

what Adam have. You got to crawl for you all. You can't get all the state of all stuff. If you got to start out in the car, start out in the basement, my thing is as long as you're doing something positive. And, you know, everybody's not going to be successful at it, but it's all on your working relationship, too.

Right. If you're nasty, I don't want to deal with certain people, it's going to happen. Because you notice how a lot of people are always trying to attack you and Vlad, but people be dying to come on your channel and Vlad Channel. Right. You know, so I'd be like, I just sit back and laugh, but I witness this stuff.

I'd be like, now, you know Goodwill Adam, give you a call, you're going up there. Because it's a big opportunity to promote, talk about anything you want to talk about. But if we can't get there, we're going to hate on it. Right. That's how we always been. Yeah. Right. Now people have a lot of choices.

There's a lot of different platforms out there that they could go on, you know? No. No. Not, most of them aren't that huge. But the truth is, All right, like 16 shot him out of Chicago. Not to say that he has like a tiny channel or anything like that, but he got the no limit Cairo interview who was basically like G Herbo's

homie that he came up with. G Herbo had a, or Cairo had a lot of shit that he wanted to talk about G Herbo and 16 shot him got him super fucking early on. That video, it got like, I don't know, 10 million views across YouTube across all the clips and shit.

He made a fucking shit, a load of money off that. And it's like, Cairo could have waited to go on Vlad. Actually, Vlad probably wouldn't have understood. If you hit me up, I probably would have got it, but I feel like Vlad might have been like, you're not, like, big enough for like,

I don't really know enough about you to want to have you on my platform. Vlad has, like, a certain threshold he wants people with me. If you're like a gang member or a rapper, like on some drill shit, whatever, it's like if I feel like, I'm much more open to take a chance on somebody smaller, whereas I feel like Vlad has been burnt too many times and he feels like if he messes with, like, random internet weirdos, that it's not really worth it. There's so many people who hit me up.

Hey, how that Vlad for me? I'm like, all right. you know, I got such like, no, I said, no. I said, no. I said, man, you can't force this man. This is this platform, you know. So I just, like I say, I just look at, it was something like that place. We just was talking about

the platform. And I was like, yeah, they got a nice platform too. But, Real Life Street Stars. Okay. They just reached a million. I grew with them. I remember they had 220,000 subscribers. Now they had a million. You know, and I got a chance to,

to interview them at the place where Little Wayne or Jeezie, the Dream, Lotto performed out at that park. And they let me, I was like, well, this is pretty cool. And I'm really thankful and grateful for that. So a lot of times,

Adam, I just sit back and I look at the stuff y'all doing and no matter how people will be saying, he shouldn't be telling this story or hear culture voice, he this and that. that's what stories are here for to tell. We create content you know, if you don't do

it, somebody else going to do it or just going to go unheard of. So some people be wanting their people's story to be told and, you know, and some people be like, well, man, I wish this one could have did it. Well, this person not into that. And like you see, you had a good

point. Like, well, Vlad, serve stuff, Vlad just not going to touch. So people Vlad not going to let come on his platform. You know, whereas you might be like, Come on up here, boy, that's what you got. Yeah. To be your shot. Because your platform, like, however people view it,

who you interview is ultimately, like, what the perception of it's going to be. And I know at one point, Vlad used to interview a bunch of porn stars. And then at a certain point, he just felt like this is not the image I want to necessarily have from my brand. So he started telling people like, yeah, if you want to do an interview, just hit up Adam. Adam will do it probably, you know? That's fine. I do porn. I don't give a fuck.

So it makes total sense for me. But like, from his perspective, I noticed his. cutting stuff over the years he used to do tons of battle rap shit you know because all these battle rap dudes they got a new stupid thing they're arguing about every week and it's like Vlad used to do a shitload of interviews where he would be like picking apart oh so you said this about this person and then you said this about this guy and it's just like I think at a certain point he just realized like this is kind of boring this shit doesn't really move the needle from my channel it gets a few views in the short term but in the long run it's just not really

like I can only interview so many people if I want to branch out if I want to have a big platform, I probably can't keep doing the same little shit over and over. That's the fact. That's true. And I had to talk with a guy real tune. He told me, I was like, man, he was like, bro, you got to step out there and try new stuff. I said, but my audience, you say, you're going to get

more audience, you're going to get people used to, you just got to do it. And now I'd be like, okay, I get it now. Because I was just stuck in the tunnel vision on one thing, I want to gangsta story and that's it. Now, if you give me a story where a cat jumped out the window, the dog called, them, I'll give it else.

Let's put it on it. Some people might like it. You might don't get the views you use again, but you go get something. So, okay, I wanted to ask you this. Like, looking back on it, how do you perceive Birdman basically, like, initiating you into committing violent act?

Because I understand that he basically, like, took you on your first hit and that you didn't even really know that that was what was about to happen. And he just kind of told you, like, about a guy that you didn't even know who the fuck it was. He told you, like, just go,

it. Yeah. How do you look at that now? Before I answer that, shout out the Swamp Stories. Shout out of Swamp Stories. Definitely recalled this story on his video. I love him, bro. See, this is a thing.

Growing up in the hood, majority of us want to be gangsters. Majority of us look up to a drug dealer's, pimps, players, whatever, dice, people shoot dice, the people who rob good. We look up to that stuff. So the only thing would make it look bad because it's not social media. but there's a lot of people that looked up to their big brothers, their home boys, cousins. Look at the game members out here.

That's generational stuff. They grew up into that stuff. So by being him, a celebrity, a big mogul, people look at it, oh, that's bad. But I look at it like, okay, this is what I wanted, too. It's not like I was like a good straight-A student, good boy in school, because I had been held back in three different grades by the time pulled the trigger. You know, I remember being held back in first grade, third grade, and the first grade. fifth grade. This was a bad class clown. So it wasn't until my middle school and high school

days I wanted to get into being a student and learn stuff. And then I start going and then I went to college. But anyway, I love him. I'm grateful for him because he taught me not on the street ways, and then I even taught me how to get money in this industry. He didn't think about this. He didn't made, man, you could we could arguably say at least 10 people he made millionaires. Probably more than that, but

that's why I just said, you know, right, you know what I'm saying? Just to keep, you know, so, because I were going to say five, but I were going to say, boy, you're crazy, so I said, I'm going to go to 10. Right. But so I look at it like, I come from the hood. And I also had a chance to say, once I got older, you know what, I don't want to do that. I want to stay in school.

I'm going to listen to my mother, and I want to be a good boy. You know what I'm saying? And so that's the only thing that I miss is really being around him, around him. Because as you can see, he got people around him that love him. I'm going to say like, I can say like two, three that I know for a fact. But it's no really, it's not a lot of really genuine love around him. So that's why a lot of stuff, you're helping, he helping people, then they're coming back, disrespecting him. Right.

Saying all kinds. because you would think a guy that come from the hood, got the rep he have, a street guy, a real street guy, have real street hitters that have been around, come up with, shout to Joe Casey, you know, all these real dudes that he got around him that he, with, why these rappers,

why these people playing with his name, they're respecting him. You know? Was he, and totally understand if you can't answer this, but did he, like, choose to leave the drug dealing in the street shit behind, like, early on? when he started to see success with the music? Was it like an extended period where it was kind of managing both?

No, he was like, man, I remember him coming. When the high ball, we first come home, he had the last bunch of kilos. Like, look, I'm getting out the game. I'm focusing on this. Really? He y'all go over giving that money back. Man, we ain't paying you nothing. Well, we ain't say that, but we ain't paying him back.

Yeah, he got jacked. So the thing was this. Why did you feel so comfortable jacking him in that situation? You're like, you're out the game. You're not going to care? Yeah, because Slim Black, we don't want that around us. We're doing this. Right.

Because you know, but you don't know, but at the time, they had some nice talent. And they're seeing stuff. Then you got BG that's doing the numbers local. So now, you know, see, these was $15 or $18 back then. Right. So now them people, they're getting illegal money from music. All right, we got to leave this drug stuff. But he was like, okay, I'm going to get rid of the rest of these birds,

but I'm focusing over here. You know, that's why we got such a law-react relationship. shit because his name, cash money, all in my paperwork. You know, I could have been the birdman if I wanted to be. Could have changed by. The people told my lawyer, look, he'll go a card.

What you got? I don't know. I don't know nothing. I'm dying prison before I go lie on my people. But, yeah, early on, once some people started doing that music stuff and having all that's to say with them, all this, I got to get the drugs out of the way.

But the crazy part about it was he's so tight. He wouldn't just give him to us. He y'all go. You still want to be selective. Here you go, you know, once a person know that you're backing out of something,

everybody's not going to pay you. He's just not going to get paid by everybody. They're going to feel like, all right. Well, you're already saying you're out of the game, man, beat it. Get out of here. Right.

But you got some people that's had love and respect for him and he knew that that was scared of us. He was like, okay, look, I'm going to give you this here, bring him, and they're knowing that we're coming behind him. But we don't know that he didn't gave his work to these other people.

You know what I'm saying? So he was slick too now. But do you think he took a big pay cut at a certain point? Like I had to manage life without bringing in so much money for a while there because obviously in the long run it worked out fucking great. But he probably saw the writing on the wall that if I'm trying to do both of these things, it's not going to be pretty. Slim made that, hey, that's don't, I don't want none of that.

When we go out of town on a little raggedy bus they had, We was doing drug deals. Baby called us one time. And, boy, Slim found out about this. Man, come on. So we had to break him out, give him some money. So he wouldn't tell Slim what we was doing. Right.

So that was forbidden to be having any kind of drugs or doing anything. What the world is that, man? I know it's awkward. Every time I got to use it on camera. That's a de clip the drug. It's an homage. You know. Everybody always wants to get one.

I don't even know if we can make them. But, yeah, so, you know, we had the pay, like he kind of made us pay draft, so Slim wouldn't be upset with us for doing this, you know, round wang, BG, this up-and-coming artists, you know? But, yeah, he took a big pay cut because once Cashmore and started bubbling, he'd know he couldn't do that round slim. He had to get right.

But a lot of people would look at the guy who took them on their first murder mission as somebody who basically like... Turned them out. ...them up in life. Put them into an unfortunate situation. What keeps you from being able to perceive it that way? You were already probably going to end up being that kind of guy. Yeah, I had a gun before.

You know, I was young, but me growing up, after I left Gertown and Kellya project, you see violence. You know, you're moving in these neighborhoods. It's violence. New Orleans is a bold shape. So it's violence all around us. Like, when I stayed in Kelly, we had... He's deceased now, Sam Scully, El Broaden.

We had big drug dealers in our neighbor. We had older killers that's right here with us. Like, how you're right here? One time me and my mother was outside sitting out. And this guy named John, he's deceased. He was getting money back in the day. All his money is the wind was blowing. His money just started blowing over.

I'm young. I'm running. I'm helping him get his money. I'm running and grabbing money all out of the ground for him, on the sidewalk, and I gave it all to him. So when I walked back, he'll give him his little space. And I'm thinking he's going to be a little man. he just got all this money back,

count it on, he didn't give me nothing. I said, man, it's chump. But I was just saying to myself, I ain't chat it to him now. But, you know, we grew up around that kind of stuff. And that's what I wanted to be.

I wanted to be a gangster. I wanted somebody to teach me how to do this stuff. And I don't regret nothing I've done in life. And I tell people this over and over and over. The reason why I don't regret none I've done in life because I've never deleted a child, an innocent person. Everybody that I walked down

or did something too was in the streets in the game with me. And you know, that's not to justify because, you know, doing wrong is doing wrong. But I don't regret not I've done in life. I don't hate him. No, he didn't mess my life. I ain't, because that'd be tough

when people looking for a crutch. Oh, you did? He messed my... Now, here's the thing. If Bird take me on a hit and then I'd be like, oh, bro, I feel fun. I don't want to do that anymore. No, you got to do it.

Come here. If you want to do something to your mother. Now... It was never like that. No, no way. Because I would hit him. So, no, it's never like that. So, but I'm just saying, then I would look at it different.

If he took me to do something and I had a funny feel like, I don't like that. I don't want to do that no more. And then he threatened me that way. I'm going to delete your mother or one of your little brothers or somebody. You better go do this. Now, once I get older, yes, I will feel some kind of resentment towards him. Do you say delete for our sake on YouTube? Or is that because you just don't really like putting it that way?

I'd be telling for y'all. I thought you can't see. Oh, that's fun, right. Yeah. I was just curious if it, like, does something a little different for you if you don't want to be on camera saying, like, I killed this guy, I killed that guy. I'm proud of that. Okay.

Yeah, but I just thought that you two don't approve, you know what I'm saying? It's probably a good move on your problem. Yeah, so, yeah, I just thought you two don't approve that. So, yeah. But, no, so, like I say, there are people that have situations that's upset with their family members, and they're upset with their family members or upset with their people that have forced them into the game because they really didn't want to do that.

I really wanted to do it. And after him, I kept doing it. And once they went, in my phone conversation, one time he called me and say, man, leave the hood alone. Come on, go on tour with us. We're going to RCL, MC. I'm like, man, you're tripping, man.

I'm married to the project. The hood. I didn't want to buy it because I was making good money with heroin. Then one time he called by, I said, bro, let me hide out of my parole laws. I'm going to see if I can go. but he was trying to pull me out

once he started doing good man come on all this is documented that the man was like literally like man come on within a nice time for you to but I'm too far gone now bro I'm an animal now I'm in the jungle

were you even worried about getting caught after one like that or was it the kind of thing where like there's nobody literally standing right there so you just assumed you're good yeah I saw I was good and as I got older see New Orleans is different

we get the police report. So we know who the witness is. They phone them, the address where they work at, their social security number, we got all that. And then they have a thing where if we're not indicted in 60 days, then they got to release us. So you have some people that have locked you off a murder

and you're going to sit until whatever. But in New Orleans, I heard they changed the law whereas the prosecutor, the DA now can ask for an extension and get another 60 so they can hold you up to 120, 124 months other than that they have to release you But now if they could get more evidence

They'd come back and pick you up But man And I wasn't worried about none Because I had the homie killer stone The Big Money Man And I had Dorn and Sturler mosquito You know Countless other shooters

That I don't want to read a name Because some of them still living That I didn't have to worry about them about coming to court Because It's shit different now Where like people are a lot more willing to tell now. You always hear that. Like, everybody's snitching, so shit is way different now. Way different. Yeah,

that's stuff that's acceptable now. At that time, it was like unheard of for people in your community to be telling about some shit that they saw? Oh, the neighbors, they don't see nothing. The neighbors, everybody stuck together. The neighbors, you might have one person that might still say something if it happened to their

family member. But if it's something outside of that got whacked, you know, a presence, sir? Oh, no, man, nobody's seeing nothing. No, we ain't heard, no, we ain't seen none. Let me say something. My, my, my, my, my, my, my, homeboy Black and Moe, he told me, he said, always be nice to the children and the old folks in your neighborhood. And I followed that, right?

And one day, I had just left out my house, the homicide coming and kicked in my mother door. I'm around the car at the block party. For the one who told me to be nice to the children and the people in the neighborhood, somebody had killed him. So we had a block porter for him. I met the block party. Just older woman and children come running around in the courtyard, gangster, gangster, things to run.

The homeless side of the police coming. They're coming for you. Because they saw them kicking my mother door. So I'm weighed on a few of the courtyards over, but I listen to what he told me.

I make sure everybody in my neighborhood cool, they're good, take care of them. I come through with my infinity, throwing money out the sunroom, just showing love. And when you do that, your neighborhood are going to love you back. Definitely. What's the difference between what we see

of Birdman on camera and the real version of him. Like, does it occur to you ever when you see him on camera that he's kind of playing a character, or is that basically him on and off camera? I mean, that's a good question. When I see him, because I've seen him go off one time when I come home, I say, whoa, that's the demon, that's the verb, man, I know, right? But on camera, it's a big front.

He more on some business laid back. Because, you know, you got a guy that come from the hood, comforting the slum that was really in the mud, made it be. And what I love is he's showing people like, I made out, you could do it too. But then when I see him, the thing that I salute him with, it'd be a lot of disrespect that people be coming out with. And I'd be like, man.

And like I say, it's killers all over. It's people who got money, people. But I know his potentials. I know who he know. I know that a phone call, man, look, take care. I know the power he has. You know? So I'd be like, man, this guy here,

tripping, this guy crazy. But then I think about, you gotta come up to a ton of things and be like, well, this guy got people too, though, this guy got money, this guy could sit and hit us too. Like, at this day and time, everybody got money,

everybody got shooters. Right, I'm learning that too. So I guess people look at it like, how we should look at you tough. I'm tough, we're going to see the toughest. But when I just see him, whole his composure, you know, stay humble sometime.

I'm like, yeah, well, I like that. Yeah, but I be knowing like, man, I know he won't just release that. beast one time. If he could get away with it or if he could, I'd be sitting back thinking, but I know if he can get that squad one more time and just cut him loose to stop him off and plan with him, he'll do it one time to set an example.

Because sometimes people are hear stories and feel like, yeah, that's all you did there, but man, I don't care about that. I'm out here now. Do you ever go back and watch that clip from the Breakfast Club? He pulled up on Charlotte. Yeah. What did you think when you saw that? because that is kind of like the rare moment

where you saw a Birdman almost do some real gangster shit in a media slash professional environment. I laughed at all because I was very, very ticked off with him for this reason. He had real street dudes with him. I assumed, yeah.

Yeah, he had one of my coat of finance when I, you know, so I was like, bro, you're pulling up at a business and you didn't bolt that hood back out you. You didn't let the people that you know they have a job to do with trolling, content,

get under your skin, and you put up and check these people. What's some real stepers? Come on, man. I was like, what the world? What is he doing? But from his perspective, once in a while, it's not the worst thing to remind people.

You know, he didn't do anything violent. He just kind of let everybody know this could be a real serious situation. But here's the problem. We know the hip-hop police watching. We know. Asian, everybody watching. So when you bring these real

shooters, these real killers are in this environment, now they're watching. Now they know. Because, you know, people still have a life outside of the music. Some people go right back to the hood and go back on their block or go back where they're doing. So now they're going to remember

oh, that was him. Because plenty of times I replayed that video over and over and over, because I have been gone so long just to see the faces. Oh, that's such a... Oh, that's such. And I was just looking at certain people. I was like, wow. Oh, he had him?

Oh, he had here. I say, man, it's starting a wilding. But, and I know, and I'm happy that Slim is there because if Slim went in there, he'd have been lost it. Really? He'd have been lost it. Yeah, so Slim's kind of the one keeping him. And kind of Slim, the big, yeah, listen, man, Slim run everything. Right.

Slim, whatever, that's the golf order. Whatever Slim say, that's what goes. You know, baby the, the wild, he's going to run around with these little shooters and gangsters, but when Slam said, hey, tell them boys stand down. They're going to stand down. But I feel like that moment definitely had the intended effect where it kind of like put the fear of God and everybody's heart, regardless of, I hear what you're saying,

which is like if you're going to put on a little show like that, that to you says, oh, you're really not going to do anything because in reality you're kind of advertising this to the feds, right? Yeah. But, I mean, to the people out there, if Birdman's reputation as a menace had maybe like waned over the years, that was definitely a moment where everybody, like, as much as they laughed at it and took it to be like this hilarious moment,

it also kind of like resolidified to people like, oh, this is not a dude that you should play with. Yeah, that's true because like I say, he have real street guys around him. Like he don't have like some guys that grew up in the industry and they plan a role like they fake. he took some people out the hood and I got their life together so now they're doing something positive now

but at the drop of a dime they'd just flash out behind him and now you got lawyer money and you're going to be back to how me man send that money well they had what they had did for me they had they got with their with the lady the accountant

in New York and just told her whenever he called this sending whatever he want so I was good but sometimes you don't want to keep going through that because the way I live look at him now, I see all the stuff he had now, he got expensive taste. He got a lot of stuff. So to be talking about, somebody called at home, ask you for a few dollars.

You know, you got it, but you're like, man, bro, I want to spend this on my bra. I got this new rape, or this new car, not the rape, because he said that for a girl, the ghost or whatever. These other foreign calls there have, he wanted to spend money on that. But, you know, in jail, it don't take much to take care of someone. But it's still a hassle because I actually get tick dogs. I actually get tired of having to call him. I was just so happy when he, him and Slim, got together and told that account when he called sending to him. Oh, man, that was the hand I fan with.

Really? Yeah, because I was getting over then. I was overcharging lawyer fee. I was just getting money thousands. And she just cut the check. Right. Send it to me. And they felt like they had to do that just because out of loyalty, or you think that they were scared that you might go the other way and talk about them?

It was out of loyalty because they already knew from raising me, me being around less to do, plusis, black and more Levi, Tony, the gangsters, Eric Marie's people from my, you know, my hood, that I wasn't going to do that to them. And then I hadn't been down a while too. So, because they could have cut me off at any given moment as well, you know, but I'm just grateful. That's why I tell people too, yeah, I love them, I miss them,

but I'm like, I'm home now. I don't really need you. I can use you. because I was looking at like my channel growing without them. This imagine if I had Birdman, B.G., J., Juvie, Wayne, Turk, once a month on my channel doing the interview. I'd be good. But for you, the actual options are pretty much like be on good terms with them

and still be locked up or be free and have a strained relationship. I'll take B for a thousand. I don't know, for real. Let me say something. No, trust me. I'm with you. This is bad, no. Being locked up is such a bad outcome that I kind of look down upon people who are free,

who've been out here on the outside world for 20, 30 years or whatever, passing judgment on what a guy does. And granted, I'm obviously not from your world, so it's not really for me to say. But I would have a hard time as a person who hasn't really lived that life, passing judgment on somebody doing what they had to do to get out of prison. Like, that is the worst possible use of a life. That's a fact.

And like I say, I will prefer to be free and I have no friends. Because I would tell people I don't buy friendship. It's too expensive. So I would rather be free and I don't have no friends. Nobody don't want to talk to me. No, I'm cool. I'm fine with that. Leave me alone.

I'm over here. But I'm free. I don't have to worry about lockdown. Look at how I travel now. I'm in California. You know how many people would love to leave out their sale to fly to California? And as I'm flying, I'm looking at all these funny mountains and desert looking stuff. I said, man, what a world.

I'm just enjoying life. man, I'm right. I just, I'll tell you when I come here, I said, let me go ride and see where the fast food I went. And I saw, let me go take out there Walmart. I took pictures all in the Walmart. So anytime, me personally, a man who say, I love you, I'm rocking with you, stop dealing with me because of the decision I decided to make

because they feel like somebody else's going to look at them different if they mess with me, then so be it. Right. This is my life. That's what I decided to do. And I'm standing on it. And I feel like, in terms of the whole telling on dead people thing, like, that's something where I feel like there's a big generational divide.

Because when I taught, like, the dude, uh, Drillith that was in here before you from Chicago, we were having that conversation and he was basically saying, like, I don't give a fuck. Tell on me if I die, you know? And I've had conversations with a lot of, like, even dudes in their 30s and shit who basically said the same thing. Like, I don't give a fuck. Like, that shit is not, that's just how it goes.

Let me take some, Adam. And like I see. When I voice my opinion on stuff, I don't be in a tunnel vision, right? I do, I give the gangster perspective, then I give the civilian perspective. Yeah, telling on the day, that's nothing wrong with that, but people just follow what Birdman said. But the thing is this, this is why I still say it's still snitching there because of this. The rules are you never go in an interrogation room, you never sit down because, yeah, you're telling me you told him all this dead. but how I know that, it was you and an agent in the room.

So when people from the streets look at search stuff and be like, man, I don't believe that. You can't be mad with them because I look at it I was a once a street dude. And you made the rules. So like you guys all really sat down back in the day and flesh that out. Yeah, how we sit down?

Yeah, Slim, baby. Look, no telling. One time he got me from juvenile jail for murder. I never forget to lay that night drove him back to New Orleans brought me up to

there, had the most one and owed the killers up on the board there was one looking for them so the man thought my mother

was going to make me cooperate I'm sitting at the desk he's on that side got the tight riders right there he was like hold on

let me call your mother before you get this statement so she could talk to whoever like all right he called my mother gave me the phone

my mother said tell him you want a lawyer, don't say nothing. I said, yes, ma'am. I said, I want a lawyer, I don't say, I mean, first you remember the only robbery? I was like, oh, man, but my mother told me don't say nothing.

So I had to take that and ride with it. So at the end of the day, you learn from what people you come up around. If they tell you, do this, then you're going to do that. But if they're telling you, know, stick to the code, this you do you do that so I was one of the ones and the rule and I made the rule I made the rule don't talk to the people thinking birdman was gonna be the weak link or why it was me

yeah man so I was like man I'm out here now enjoying that papas McDonald's I just had burger king and I had Wendy's out here by y'all what that burger game went I got it out in the call the french fry I really like the fries but um yeah man I'm enjoying life Adam I If a man think they're going to dictate how I'm going to move or what I'm doing in life, he's sadly mistaken. That's why I don't beg nobody for nothing. I'm not

rich, but I'm comfortable. And I ask for two things. I always go for two things. Let me out why I'm healthy and alive and let me out while my mother's still alive so I could take care of her. I talked to her in to move from New Orleans to Texas and she lived with me and I'm happy.

So everything else? Hey, man. Was part of that you being worried that somebody could try to get revenge on your mom because they couldn't get to you? No, it was that when I was in, because a lot of people know my mother, my mother, I'm all around the city of New Orleans.

It was that when I was incarcerated, I heard a lot of guys say, man, my mother did pass. Like when the officer come out of the boot and say, such a son, report to the chapel. Somebody dead. You take that long walk down to that chapel, somebody died of your family, right?

So I've been around a lot of guys, who mothers, fathers, brothers, children passed away. I was like, from, you know, from juvenile to state to federal, my mother was there for me nonstop. And when I was young, she always said, you go to jailing, down, step. That was my mother's hell of back. As soon as I get locked up, mama love right there.

My mother was there for me throughout my whole bid nonstop. So I'm like, the lady took care of me from a baby, took care me while I was in prison, always there for me. I got my turn. She's older now. Come on, Mommy,

you're going to pay the old bills? I got it. And that's just something I want to do, and that's what I do now. So I'm good, man. And then my son, he's in the fed. Now my youngest boy,

he's in the fed. He has 15 years for a drug case right now, and then he's fighting two homicide on a RICO, and in his indictment, he got one homicide when he was 16. They didn't charge him,

but he got an indictment. And the crazy part about it, the body he's charged with, It's the guy I was beefing with his son. They got the same name. Right. And I'd be like, man, it's just on and on and all. Because you have a lot of kids, but how does that feel knowing that your son went in a very similar way to what you ended up doing with your life?

That's something I can't stop. I am just happy that I can visit him while he's alive versus going to a graveyard and visit my son. he tricked me I had to call home oh dad's to be robbed my dirt but I don't be doing nothing but then his one of my other baby

mother would be like that boy got on Snapchat with something as long as his long as my own what was you doing dad ain't like I don't be doing nothing

but all the while he was terrorizing he'd hear them stories oh boy your daddy was this your dad did your dad you do this and this

so the jail I can call to the jail they got like the little screen thing where I could see him I can see it the pod where he had

and all that you know so I make sure he got money, he good. And he got two children. And the crazy part about it, I was 23 and I got locked up. He's 22 and he got locked up. Yeah, man, and stuff just, it's just going on, going.

But the good thing is, though, he got a good support system, just like babing him took at me, but this is my son. So I'm going to make sure he good, too. Does it hurt knowing that you weren't around to really guide him in the right direction while you were locked up? No, not at all. because there's the thing because you know a lot of people get up

yeah I feel bad I wasn't there for my child no I ain't gonna lie because I was a child I wasn't a child I was a young man 23 years old I was young so I didn't I know you know he goes some money

take care of go get my son the polo to what all the shoes but I didn't know really the meaning of really being a father I'm in prison trying to survive my main was my main thing was survive in prison

and do not let nobody kill you. Don't get killed behind one of your homeboys holding somebody for some drugs or some gambling or something. That was my mission. I never sat back and thought about like, man, I wasn't that for my children. And when you look at you, yeah, you failed your child. But I was a young man that had children,

and you can't get back time. So all I can do now is help him now while he's incarcerated. Be there for him, answer the calls, send him pictures and all this. Like he got me with, I couldn't stand, though. Now he got me with this little naino bully dog that I'm raising for him

because you're like, hey, you know how I'm going to be doing time and get the dog pregnant, sell the puppies, and I don't have to be in your pocket. I was like, what's a good idea? But I didn't know I had to clean up behind this dog. This is a lot of work with this little thing. Yeah, man, but it's fun because I got moms, I got the puppy. I mean, a lot of people, even who aren't locked up,

like, you know, I hate to throw his name in there, be like, Gilly, his son got killed maybe like a year ago. And I mean, he was free for most of his kid's life and shit, but his son still, like, got into the whole drill rap scene out in Philly and everything and ended up getting killed. And it's like, I saw a shitload of comments or people like, you know, commentating even like Asan Campbell shit like that, saying, you know, like, basically like you're a bad dad because you fucking let your kids stay in that environment. But I consider that kind of naive because the reality is that a young man's going to want to be a young man regardless of nobody wants to just follow behind. his fucking dad's footsteps. And just because his dad is successful, like doesn't mean that he's going to necessarily be content

to be an intern following him. His dad around as his dad becomes successful, you know, and his dad has only become successful the last couple of years. So, I mean, how do you feel when you see something like that, though? That's a good example. And I'm happy you brought that example because him and Walu on a good track, look how they came up with a million out with the game.

and a reason why I'm happy you brought it up right because I laughed now um, Wallow had contact me when I first got out Hey man you won't come on you straight in now

I said you want to pay me or we don't pay them by I said man why I ain't coming on well look man I'm going to give you $500 for 12 minutes 12 yeah hung up but

lately right like if somebody got a podcast or and he got like 100 anywhere from 100 to a thousand subscribers I chose him

$500 or Because I know they're not monetized. They don't have no, nothing going on for their channel. They help them out. So then when I started doing that stuff, I realized, man, these, man, these people got a million some subscribers.

The man, want me on the channel, and I didn't do it. You know, so sometimes we'd be impatient. We just jump out there. We get the big head. Another one, 85 South. I didn't know who Carlos was. What's up, OG?

Look, we'd love to have you on a show. Man, get with my book in here. I brushed him off, right? So I started asking about him, and I googled him. I hit him, I made my bad. At that time, now he, like, he kept him respectful, but I didn't make it on that show. You know what I'm saying?

So I didn't know. I was just coming home, but the flag had me up here. So I'm like, man, but now that I've learned, and I understand it now, I'm like, okay, I see how to just go now. And you can't miss these opportunities, certain stuff, you know. But I like the fact that. that what they're doing, but to answer your question,

Gilly's doing stuff positive, so he was there for his son. But like you said, a child going to do what they want to do, and at the end of the day, they got their friends. So it's going right back to always tell people to peer pressure.

You want, yeah, my daddy, a famous rapper, my daddy got this big YouTube channel, but this is me right here. I'm out here in the hood. And also, you got to look at this too. And it's even with rappers.

The rapper name be big as their bank account. bigger than that bank account I mean so you got a big name stuff big but the money ain't there you look good but you broke you see what I'm saying so we don't know what that situation was like so he might

was like man I'm out and grind and pop's getting it but he don't really got enough to take care of me right now you know he might give me a little something but I'm about to go to the block we don't know what the situation was but it's still a situation where he had his father in his life his father was there but he chose

to still go that day where he went And that's the situation we'd be having. The children are going to do what they want to do regardless. Right. There'd be plenty of time. I didn't have a girlfriend and their mother be like, oh, I want you with him. That boy be killing people.

That boy be telling him, throw. That boy be doing a-uh. People looking for him. Stay away from him. And those girls be wanting a bad boy. They're going to still sneak and do it. So the children are going to still do what they want to do regardless. Yeah, because, like, the crazy thing about that is that you need to try to shape your daughter's mind

into being the kind of person that won't aspire to want to be. with a guy like that. But that can be difficult when the version of masculinity that is in front of their face, like this is what success is, this is what somebody who's cool is, is oftentimes something that, you know,

not the kind of person you would want your daughter to end up with. That's the fact. And then our daughters, and here's the thing, when we describe this person, stay around the person, this person is a bad person,

that make her run to that person. Why you don't let me see for myself. I don't believe you, Dad, I'm going to see. And that's the time. what we have, like my mother used to tell us all the time. Get this stolen car from my door, I'd call the police.

All that was, a wake-up call to let us know, hey, it's school time, let's go steal a donut from Ms. Nancy. Because my mother up, she's going to work. So we know she'd go to work, it's about to be school time. Let's go, let's go before she come. I had the mailbox back of the day, put the court in or the dollar in, you open and you grab many newspapers you want.

I said, remember, I meant to say the newspaper thing. That little stain where you can see in there. I mean, you press that thing and you pull it open. You don't remember that. No, I do. And it's crazy to think that they ever were able to get away with that. Because, like, obviously people are just going to take all the fucking newspaper. Why did that ever work?

Did it work? I don't know. Yeah, it kind of because you still have. I was like, not to say that same day, but they will put her donuts on top of that thing and when we were still every morning. Not every morning, but a great deal of mom. It's moaning. So back to what I said, my mother tried.

She kept a roof of all head. Food I'm out. She worked. But I was going to still do what I want to do. And that's what we do at you. We're going to steal. But you got some of them now. When they're in their household and pop,

putting that law down, putting his foot on their neck, whooping them and doing it. So some of them get right. But I know some two guys live in my neighborhood. They had their mother and father in the house. And they still, while I being a dophine and why aren't being a gangster. And it was a school. They had two-sided house.

The two brothers lived over here by their self, and the mother and father lived over here. Yeah, but they still went to the streets. The environment. Part of being an adult is like being able to give up that sense of control and just realizing like you're going to have a kid and they're going to do what they want to do and you're just going to have to fucking deal with it. And it's like you can do everything possible to raise them right,

but also at a certain point you can't hold yourself responsible for every last detail of what happens. It's probably easier to understand that when you have 11 kids. Yeah. I have one kid and she's three and a half. So for me, it's like, oh, I'm still capable of micromanaging every single thing that happens in her life. Like, she's never had a bad experience because me and my girl have been, like, controlling enough that she doesn't know what it's like to get bullied or to have somebody with her or somebody hit her or whatever. Like, you know, and it's like as she gets older and older, you just keep getting more and more into the position where you're not going to be able to control that shit. Yeah, eventually will be like, hold up.

Like with my daughter, when she first went to go to college out of town, I was a state, I mean, I was like, no, I'll stay in the state. in New Orleans because they got five brothers that are going to protect her. She was like, her brother's like, let her go. She got the fog and let her get up. I'm like, no, that's my daughter, no way. And she went to the Howard University, graduated. She had a fight at school too, but she did good. Do you have the self-control that you could find out that her boyfriend beat the shit out of her

and you wouldn't feel the need to take matters into your own hands? Yeah, I would talk with my daughters about that. I'd be like, listen, I'd say, listen, I'd say, my little cousins, there's two females. I say, listen, if you and your boyfriend have a fight, don't call me. Call me when you know for sure you really threw with him. Because I know if I come there and men and this man get into it, later on the night, y'all going to be back laying up, and now I got an enemy with him, and now you choose to pick,

because opinions and the vagina are too powerful elements. So when I get into it this man behind you, and now your feelings and got back, you miss him, y'all, and now he plighting and hurt me, and then sometime she'd be swayed to go with him. You know what I'm saying? We've all seen that, yeah. Yeah, so I tell my daughters now,

and I tell my little cousins, don't call me unless you all know for sure you're through with him. Because I know how women change their mind later on. And I'm just thankful that. My daughters, they kind of pick it too. I'm happy that they don't, you know, pick the little roughnecks, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the only way I would step in or pay somebody to visit, if they put her in a hospital.

Yeah, I got to go pull up. But if they get a little roughing each other up and all that, I'm standing out of that. Is you having self-control in your mind, you having somebody else handle it as opposed to your self-handling it? No, I wouldn't let nobody else handle it. Like I said, depends on how far it is because, like I said, if I have somebody to delete her boyfriend and knowing she's, in love with him, now she's going to be mad with whoever did it. And then you never know. Sometimes, you know,

back to the civilian type, the police put around, well, me and I got into it and my daddy knew when my daddy had a friend. And he, so I'm trying to help you and snitch the on my hip man. You know what I'm saying? Right. So, yeah, I've learned

a lot of patience being home and I've learned how people like to move. It's a lot of favoritism going on out here, you know, selective politics. There's a lot of bull, and I'm happy I'm able to witness it,

and I call it out whenever chance I get. But a lot of stuff with my daughters, even with my sons, I don't get into a lot of their relationships. I let them figure that out

because it's up to me. I ain't want you with no boyfriend anyway, get you a girlfriend, but now that you got a boyfriend. You'd rather your daughter have a girlfriend? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a much simpler way of life. Yeah. Yeah, I want to. I mean, like 98% of felony crimes are committed by men. You know, 98% of prisoners are men. It's like if your daughter is a lesbian, I mean, I can understand a lot of people probably wouldn't be too happy about it. But definitely sounds like a smooth sailing way of life in comparison.

Yeah. That's nice to be like, man, because I know how I was with females when they used to come to these college out there in New Orleans and they'd be on a budget. And I said, oh, yeah, I got her. You hungry once you? So I was like, when my daughter was in a cop, made sure they had everything they need. I said, so if you meet the guy, you're going to like him because you like him, you ain't going to mess with him, have sex with him because you feel you want these red bottles or this purse or something. I made sure they had all that while I was incarcerated.

Have you ever had to have a conversation about all the bodies with your daughters and shit, try to make it make sense to them? They have to find out from other people. They read, oh, I have one, only one, no two out of my five is three of them that's very nosy that's in the know. But I have one. She's just in her own. world. She don't care nothing about none of that stuff. She just focused on her life.

She don't be on none of that stuff. But it's hard to imagine people aren't like us and aren't going to just go watch a YouTube video about everybody that they meet who has like a criminal past. Right. But my sons, they all know. I've talked. We all talk. And I'll hide on from them because

you know, a lot of times your child be so happy, oh, this is my daddy. I'll be hanging around here and the enemy lurking and, oh, that's his son. I got some foreign. You know, so I talk to all my children So a lot of people I'd be like, all right, don't be telling people

I'm your father now because, you know, people try to play get back. I try to get some get back, you know, so I talk with all my sons. My sons know what's going on. Do you think that you being open with them about that shit makes them less likely to go down that path?

Yeah, because out of my five, only one in jail. Right. The other ones, I got one, he's scared to go on one side of the river when he was young, a guy tried to rob his friend, and he got shot in the neck, so he don't want no parts of that. And I'd be like, sometimes I'd be like,

boy, you might got your mama's side of the family. But then I'd be thinking this, though, where at least he's scared straight from the streets. I don't have to worry about him. And he'd have like seven or eight children right now. Wow. Yeah, so the only one, and he's my youngest son the one that's in the fed now.

So you think that that was passed on from you to him, like the inability to pull out? was one in the fed No, the one that's got eight kids Because you got 11 So it seems like you might run in the family Inability to pull out Yeah, the rubber stuff

And I know they got the I don't like, you just don't get the feeling You don't get the proper feeling I'm with you man Yeah, you don't get the proper feeling With the condom, man Yeah, man Yeah, I think he, yeah

Because In fact, in my youngest son He got two children He's locked up All my boys have children when I think about not getting a girl pregnant until I was 37, to me that feels like my equivalent of you being able to delete

a couple dozen people before you got arrested. Of like improbable, how the fuck did I bang that many girls with no condoms and not get one through? Yeah, that's fair. I'm very impressed with myself. Yeah, yeah, that's good. But then I would be this, I would be like this, though. I'll be like how R.J. them did on a hip-hop show,

like I got to go get my testosterone check because if I've been home and all this long time and I ain't hit the target. What's going on, man? My sales low. That's how I felt when it took me like two months to get my girl pregnant. I started to think like, oh, maybe that's why you didn't get any girls pregnant is because you've been shooting blanks all these years.

Yeah. I just went to the doctor. She was about to make me stop smoking weed. I heard that's what messed up to count to that weed and them cigarettes too, Adam. But I went to the doctor the day and there was a fine lady in that too. She was thick. She was my doctor.

Mm-hmm. No, let me tell you this, yeah. I had a, I had this. I don't have this doctor no more because the job, I used to work, I quit. And my job, the insurance, this doctor only accept corporation insurance. So I had to stop going to her. Well, I had this female, she was talking crazy about, oh, I think you burn, you got disease, you got all this stuff. So I got scared.

I run to my doctor. I said, I need to be tested. She took all my blood. I said, I want you to check to see if I got her piece too. So she was like, do you, as you break it out? I said, no, but I still want you to look at my private check me out. So she was like, all right, let me go get a chaperon. So I'm thinking she was, I said, well, she's going to get a man to come in the office to make sure, like, no funny business going on.

So I'm waiting for her. She comes back in there with this black female with a big butt. But here's the thing, though, Adam. I got to drop my pants. But I'm on the soft. Right. Oh, that was so embarrassing, man. They understand.

Yeah, but this lady was thick, and I'm like, I was checking her out in the lobby area. And for her to stand right there and I couldn't get the stiffy going. And this lady told me, I'm dropping her pen. She examined my private point. It would be so much weirder if you had a boner while they were checking a seat. I'd have heard that though. Versus being on the suck. Come on, man.

Every man, when he got a chance to, the express of a woman you like and you know you it's well off, Donna, you don't want to show off. Yeah. Because later on, she may be like, all right, I saw you. But, yeah, man. So I go to his other doctor. So she's fine, too, but she got to be a little young nurse. So she's sending them at me telling me, oh, wait, he got to lose a little weight.

I was like, all right, that's cool. You know, she's sitting on a little fine, the nurses to tell me, but I've got all my blood work, got all my stuff. Because I always, a priest of the people, you know, get tested for HIV and AIDS because I have a little cousin that died from AIDS. I watched people in prison One guy had a fight And he got HIV from having a fight with a guy

I got blood some kind of way Got on him and got Something he got it from a fight Yeah from fighting the guy in prison I've heard of that that's crazy He got HIV from fighting a guy in prison I was like, what the world Yeah so that's just something

I'd be like man You remember like Magic Johnson came out in the NBA And then people didn't want to play with him Yeah That story is almost like Oh, like that's almost kind of understandable. And that's been about 20-something years, 30 years? Yeah, 30 years, something like that.

The 96th that come about, right? Somewhere up and now. Before, but yeah, around then. And now he's healthy, looking good. What happened to this? I don't know. He beat the case somehow. He beat the case.

And not guilty. He's living good out here, man. Yeah, man, that's a fact. When you heard about Birdman going through issues in terms of like people like Lil Wayne claiming that he wasn't getting what he was supposed to be getting paid. Did that surprise you? Or was that something that you could have probably guessed

that he might have been somebody who wouldn't be trying to hold on to a bigger part of the pie? I was shocked, but I wasn't surprised because I started seeing the houses, the cars, the jury. And I'm like, that's a big overhead. You got to fund that some kind of way, you know? So, and I ain't lying, man. I'd be thinking about that.

I was just thinking about this other day I was like, bro, bro had three runs in the game. What I mean by that is you got juvenile, Wayne, the high boys, first run.

They fell out. Then you have Wayne that told the cash money for a while. They fell out. Then you had the young money run. Crazy. Man, I would sit back like, you know,

that boy really enjoyed life, man. he had but yeah I just that's the only thing that I wish that I was there for to see or to speak out for everybody like man don't do that make sure the man good make sure he's straight because Wayne told it cash money Wayne

and that's why I got so much love for Juvie, Turk BG, Wayne and we go through our stuff we go at each other and I tell people this too it's sad how men have taken over the internet You know, at one time women used to be in a beauty salon, fussing and auguring.

Right, now we're all doing it. Yeah, a bunch of men. We took up, like, the women, they didn't fell back watching us, do this, you know. Yeah. But what I love, and that's why I got so much low of respect for them guys, before our name, because at the end of the day, they was grinding, putting that music out, and I was in federal prison, and getting money, getting money off everything they was doing.

So I'm like, man, I got a lot of respect. even though they don't know that, but they were still, you know, their craft and all that kept me going. I took care of my family. Yesterday, a young boy put a song out where he says in the song that he knew Birdman never really loved him.

And like that's somebody that seemed like they were kind of like kindred spirits at a certain point in terms of just really relating to each other and seeing like a, I feel like Birdman probably saw him as kind of like a younger version of himself in a way. how did it feel seeing young boys say that? I made a video about that. Oh, you did?

I dropped that. Yeah. I dropped that. I dropped it. Matter of fact, I put it out when I was out here in your lobby. Oh. Doing very well, too, getting a lot of views with it. I bet.

Yes. So my thing is, I was like, that's good for you, Birdman, because of this. Birdman ain't do nothing, a young boy, like how it happened with juvenile, B.G. Wayne, Turk, Man, and Fresh. with the money issue. He ain't never touched none of the young boy money. If you think about it,

young boy signed with somebody else, now I'm hearing he worked a deal for them and then they lost out on some money because young boy wasn't selling like he used to sell anyway. The sales was down to. So I'm thinking that it was one of those situations

when young was on the pills, you know, he'd let him get high and he was in there just going in because he felt like Stunner wasn't calling him or whatever case may be, right? But we do know it wasn't dealing with no money. So it has, have to do it you not there for me for as me and able to call and reach out to you and talk

to you. And I was like, that's what you get. That's good for you because every time young boy had a problem, what Birdman going to do? I got your back, young. He's speaking out like, I'm backing you. So you got BG here, just come home. You got Turk. You got juvenile.

You got Wayne. You got a family over here. that still got a fan base, that people still want to hear their music. But you show, and now, rightfully, so let me just say that too because a young boy was hot now. So rifle and saw, yeah, you back young,

but young are not on cash money. NBA young boy wasn't signing the cash money, so it's good to still be affiliated and show him I'm rocking with you, I got love for this and that. But if you notice, it happened with Rick Ross, when that police stuff come out of him being in the correctional, I call on you, don't still,

man, I'm a rocking with you. and we got songs that we're doing this. All right. That came and bit him in the butt. It's like every time he welcomed outsiders into the family and show love and rep them people out in the public, they come and give respect him and bite it and kick him and beat it. And now he left looking stupid because your loyalty was to them

and you're showing love to him when you could have been putting that energy into the family into the circle. But then he's like extremely limited if he's only working with people that are, you know, really from where is he's from. Whereas with Young Boy, that's literally like him seeing everybody in the game and sort of like pinpointing the one person that he really wants to work with. That's like very different. If you look at the original cash money, it's kind of like magic because you're looking at like so many successful people coming out of such a small environment that he was already organically related to. No, no, no.

I wasn't talking about in that aspect. What I was talking about is you putting all this energy, showing all this love to somebody that's not science. to you. Right, right. That's what I'm talking about. Because he already had to deal with the people for $60 million or whatever. He worked in. Young Boy got 35 of that up front.

So that's what I'm talking about. And like I say, he saw a young boy hide. He saw an opportunity. Let me go get there. But when the situation I know with Jay Prince and a lot of stuff with young boy, Burr stepped in. So it's like big dog and big dog. I got you, young.

You know what I'm saying? So a lot of that stuff you look at like, well, man, you was going through with these dudes with these people and now you're going to dis this man? What you're dissing for? Because like I said, we know it's not about no money. Right. Because he couldn't touch his young NBA money. Young NBA made, show that buddy was cuffed.

But young boy is somebody who's like pretty much predictably fallen out with like almost everybody who's worked with him or helped him in his career. Like it feels like that's something that is almost inevitable for everybody that he works with. I heard that. I heard that before. I don't know too much about him because I, I never fathered story was when I come home. I was like, what's going on?

Who's who they saw telling me about, you know. If you want to watch a six-hour Traplora Ross documentary, he breaks down like all the crazy killings and shit associated with Young Boy. Not that, like, young boy did, but like there's rumors that people around him were doing all this shit for him. Okay. All right. If I'm bored or got a little time one day.

Yeah, six hours is a lot. Yeah, I might check it out. I'm bored one day. That's definitely one that made me, like, question my own sanity. Like, why am I watching this? But here's the thing. even though it's a situation with me and Byrd, my loyalty still to him.

So sometime when, not sometime, whenever somebody attack him, I would draw from that person. Now I don't want to support you because it's still family. I'm still Team Bird no matter what. So that's why I stand at with it right now. Well, it's interesting because it's like two different mentalities.

It's like you can sign artists from the ground up, but also Birdman has at times, like found artists who are already signed, are already doing their thing, and he, like, kind of inserts himself into their narrative, spends time with them, do a song with him, et cetera, like young boy, Nali Chapa, et cetera. And it's like, that might blow you up. That might, you know, make you look good, that you're, you know, clearly having good relationships with these young hot artists.

But it is definitely kind of a gamble to be, you know, co-signing people that you don't have, like, a full business relationship with. Yes, yes, that's the whole thing. And I sit back and study them, and I watch that. and I'd be like, I wonder how he feel now. I wonder to, sometimes I'd be wishing I could be in that room. Now people would say to fly on a wall when somebody violate Bird Band and he was loyal to them. I wonder how he'd be feeling, do?

He'd be feeling like, okay, street feelings involved or like, man, you know what? I'm just true with this whole gang. I'm just sick of it now because now it's like a slap in my face. Because we see it with a lot of old heads, like Master P's in the same boat where it's like he was so, huge. And then at a certain point, it just felt like he was maybe too far removed from the game to really be able to take somebody's career from zero to 60. And then, you know, it's like, even when I remember my interview master feedback in the day and I realized that like the streaming shit feels like small money to him compared to the CD sales. So for him, he almost feels

like, and I don't know to what extent he was kind of capping and just saying this. But like, he made it sound like he just wasn't even interested in really doing business in the music. game until shit changed. And I was just like thinking like shit ain't going to change like that. Like if anything shit's going to get worse. Like you know, like the money that is available from streaming is making a lot of people rich. It might not be CD money, but it was a good business to be in.

Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah. But so how do you feel seeing like Rick Ross and a birdman going back and forth and, you know, Rick Ross calling him broke and other shit? That was kind of introduced a new narrative I hadn't really thought about. Tick'd off. Yeah. Didn't like it.

Because like I say, back to this family here, and like I said, I remember him back in Ross when there was attacking Ross early in his game, you know, early on in his career. So one thing we do know, no matter what people say about Birdman, he don't have this or he don't have that or he this and this and this, Birdman could still pick up that phone and make stuff happen. He didn't prove over and over and over again. I got this star, this star, this star.

He'd made a lot of people making this. So just looking at that, I'd be like, man, there you go again, Stunner. Another one of your people that you brought in the game, or you show love, you get a game too. So sometimes I'm learning you can't get a game to everybody. But it's also almost like there's a, in terms of like working with the young street artist, is almost like an age limit as the older dude. Like at a certain point, it's just going to become much more difficult to be the guy managing that. Like a good example or a weird example is Gucci, because,

because Gucci signed all these hot street artists. And quite often he picks the dudes that are like two street. They're like really having aobs, getting a shootouts. You look at so many people like Fujiano, Pushaiste, etc. Who like, you know, he signs them and they just end up getting booked like within a year. And it's like on one hand it does make Gucci look kind of good that he's able to get these hot-ass artists. But it's almost like he gets the artists that are hot that are on too crazy as shit. That's not even worth it.

Right. That's a fact. And go back to you saying, the company you keep in, and a lot of artists that want to get into the CEO game, you still stuck in the hood

and you come from the hood or you wrap the hood. So it's time to switch over and get you artists that, you know we're going to stay out of trouble because you invest in your money at this point. And that's what I would say.

My artist, man, you got to babysit them artists. And in this day and time, you got to get an artist that's going to invest in himself or herself first that way you know they're going to take the craft serious. That's what I like about my orders. Yeah.

Yeah. He's not on that bullshit. No, he laid back. He comforted the bull of crap, but he invested himself, and he conducted him because he's been in gold. He's been around, so he know what's at stake,

and he got it right now. He got a nice little buzz going. But if Gucci had been all up in Pushisi's business, I feel like that would have had a shelf life too like Pouchat is probably just in a state of mind where he's not really trying to hear O.G. Tell him, you know, micromanages every move.

Yeah, of course, because, you know, I don't know Pouchas, but just hearing, you know, where he come from. A lot of him be feeling like I got my own crew, my own homies. So you just, we just do bidding, but don't tell me out around my life. Right.

I'm saying, I come from this. I come from seeing all this stuff. So who are you to tell me, you know what to do? And I understand. I'm signing you, but I'm signing you for business. I ain't asked you for to be a mentor, a big homie for us how to run my street life. Right.

And that's the problem. And a lot of the artists come in, they bring that baggage. They bring that baggage to the business. I was a gangster. I run with gangsters. So I'm going to associate this with the music. And that's what kind of happened to Papoose. He was signed.

They had a deal. But every time they go in the club, the gang fighting. He's fighting. And the people, man, you're mad. all right, we're going to drop this. I had got that from Case Lakers when me and Ks Lakers when I used to talk when I was in prison. So I was like, man, he was telling, man,

he used to go every time and go to the country, they fight. Every time I go to the book for some, he fight. So we get to a point with people like, man, you're a flight risk. That would you call you're a flight risk, man. And now there's just like so much less fighting and so much more shooting that it's like, you know, I've seen like a video of

Little Dark walking into a show one time and just seeing the amount of security that he had around him just to walk into this club and just being like, oh, like, this is what it looks like to be like really truly successful in this fucking world is that you don't just have like, you know, fear that like a little fight going break out. Like you're ready for the dudes to pull up with switches

and like really try to kill you. Like you have to actually be 100% on day ready for that shit. And that is just no joke. That almost makes it like, why are you even doing these fucking club performances? Like you should just leave that shit alone, and just do your big venue performances in the middle of the city

at the hard rock or whatever like the real venues are like maybe that would be a little bit more appropriate because at a certain point doing the hole in the wall ass clubs like even if you're making good money there's just so much risk associated whether it might not be worth it.

Club gets shut down. It's just always a bunch of bull then later on you'd be like man I shouldn't have done it. Man why I did that. Yeah. So it's best to just leave it along ahead of time

and stay focused on your craft because you're trying to provide for your family. And the problem is you want to provide for all your homies too, but you get caught up. At what point did Boosie start, the whole friction with Boocy start?

When he dissed me on Vlad. Right. I, like, I never met Boosie in person. And you think he was just standing up for what he saw as a birdman's best interests? No, I believe he was standing up for his best, and you know, would he believed, and he wasn't wrong. I just saw an opportunity where I could

capitalize off it. Like I said, I don't get upset with these guys when they come from me because I was really in the streets, but now I'm on the internet. And I look at it like I jumped, I jumped starting my career with him. So I'm grateful for that. You know, because think about it, he could have picked anybody from New Orleans

or Barron Rouge to talk about, but my name come up. But he talks about you like you are the anti-crashed. Like he, you don't actually see Busy get like too out of character on his VAT interviews too much. But when your name came up, It's like he could barely stay in his chair.

He was so upset talking about you. Because you got to keep my Mbji, and a lot of people rap about me. He heard all these stories about me. So it's like, it's like, you know, it's sort of like, man, you're my hero growing up, and now your name involving some bull, you tarnished, all this.

And I get it. That's why I respect it. But I realized that when I didn't have the backing and the support when I come home, that this internet was the way to go. I was happy he did that. Because now I'm like, okay, I respect that. You're standing on what you're standing on

because I was once a part of that. And I was once on, I was on the side what you're on now. But now that I'm over here, and you plan, okay, well, it's this internet stuff. Let's get it. So he said that you were fucking punks while you were locked up. Where did he get the idea of that? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it was guys, just like people was hitting me or telling me stuff about him

is people hitting him up. And that's the only thing I was like, now, Bucci make these rules, they'd be with these street stuff, now you're going off rumors. You wasn't in jail with me. You never saw me put my privacy in the man, but you, and it's out.

So you can't be mad when I say stuff about you because you're saying stuff about me that's not true. You weren't in prison with me. You never saw this. You don't have no proof. I don't have a writer for indulging the homosexual activity. You know, there's nobody who could say, I walked in a cell, I called him.

There's nobody could say they could describe how my privacy look. but yet you ran with that on the internet. Right. I'm like, all right, cool. This is how it's going, okay, well, you know, using potato. I was. I was surprised to see Boosie say something like that, or it seems like he's somebody who normally would not lie or exaggerate,

and he said that with such confidence, even though I haven't heard anybody else say that. Like, it just seemed like kind of out of character for him to be going that hard with that accusation. But you remember he said this? On the lad, he said, man, he hurt my feelings. He heard my feelings. He heard my feeling.

see. So when a man hurt, it's like you're scorn. So what you're going to do? You're going to do two things you disrespect a man on line. It's called him a ratter in a homosexual. But my, I have the bulletproof emotion so when he shot that at me, I was like, well, where are the homosexual at? Why are you?

No homosexual come forward. Nobody in my unit come forward, but you who's in a state who don't know me come forward and say this. Boldly, like you said, and don't have no proof. Right. But that's the world we're living at the internet love lies.

But he said that you got people life. What was he referring to with that? The rumor that they got going on now, about me being a snitch. Okay. Telling on everybody. That would he tell me about. You know what he's talking about.

Well, but you said that you only told on dead people. Right. But he clearly thinks it's a different way. And like that's what I said where his proof at. They're only going off of what Hassan Campbell said. And then it's like two other people that went with that But then Vlad went on some homework Went done his digging and like

Well your name not in there So it's like oh all right Well find my name then Because here's the thing My name already dirty People are gonna rock with me They're not gonna rock with me I'm not tripping off that

I feel like yeah I did cooperate I admitted to that But I'm not gonna take that charge where he tried to put me on and I like when they keep bringing it up because they keep my name going in the algorithm and YouTube

but it's going back to I say he was upset with me flashed out on me and went where other people told him and I understand I get it because I say you got to keep my at the time when I come home Bootsie was the hottest thing

for his own Vlad reacting to stuff it was street dudes, gangsters, everybody supporting Boosie, Rocky went Boosie. And when I come on, start pointing out certain stuff, that's what I come up to People's Champ, because when he dissed me on, with the Twitter,

people was in his comment going with me. I was like, oh, his fan, Rocket. I got people, oh, man, I'm the People's Chap. That's when I put that in, incorporated that name, because the stuff he was saying and stuff I was saying, people was like, okay, this dude is really from the streets. Yeah, Bucci was in the street, but this dude making a lot of sense.

So that's when a lot of his file, a lot of people that started rocking with what I was saying. There's like a counter movement to a lot of the gangster shit online where like, you know, a few years ago, it was shocking to see Charleston White saying shit about how we needed to lock up all the gang members or the people shooting each other.

We need to lock them all up. That was like, whoa, I can't believe he's saying that. Now you see so many more people saying that and you see a lot of people kind of trying to like have more logical responses to the snitching conversation, which is almost like going in the face of somebody like Busy, who's like an extreme traditionalist. There's like a lot of people who want to be like,

let's take a more reasonable approach towards this. So I can see why people will kind of rally behind you in that sense. Yeah, but sometimes, honestly, Adam, I don't like when a lot of people go with me. I like the people go against me. because when people go against me and lets me know I'm doing something whenever somebody

to bring your name up on YouTube you're doing something right when they stop to talk about you then that's the problem so as long as my name's still coming up I'm in an algorithm I'm making me money people talking about me

I'm good because here's the thing I'm not on the internet talking about I'm back in the streets I got me about 20, 30 bricks or I'm about to go drop this or I got workers

no I denounce the streets I violated my name 30 for the And I don't have no business in nobody neighborhood talking about, well, you got the pills, you got the weed, or you got the bricks, and this. Ain't not better doing that. So they ain't got to never worry about me going by the hood.

So you wouldn't even expect somebody to trust you on a street level at this point. So it's like an easy way for you to just opt out of all of it. Yeah. Because here's the thing, if I was still in the streets and there's some dirt on your name, this would always tell people this. Remember this.

Whenever a rumor come up about you, there's some truth to that. It's got to be because why are people going to connect you to certain stuff? You know what I'm saying? So if I'm at the commissary line and a homosexuals walk into me, might ask me a question. I'm like, oh, no, they got this, yeah, this. So now certain dudes in prison don't talk to homosexuals, period.

Whereas if I just give a homesteaderoy's a conversation, now the rumor going to spread a, oh, man, yeah, he messed with that boy. Man, he's going to, yeah, man, he was talking to the boy at the, at the commissary boy, they might be about a hookup to go into the unit and sneak around, whatever. This never happens. That part, the sexual part never happened. Nobody never see that part.

But if they see me talking to the boy at the commissary, now for the ones who got the homophobia going on, they're gonna scream, man, he messing with that boy. Because what are you doing, he's gonna' he's gonna put to keep no company in jail, two things, he's supposed to keep coming with a rat and a homosexual. So you're saying you kind of

up by having that brief conversation in line just because it allowed people to come up with that. Let's talk to people. Right, because how I talked to people out here, that's how I was in prison. That's the shame with prison is that you basically have to reduce yourself to the level of a bunch of idiots rather than be able to live life on your own terms. But you know the thing I don't like, and I did a post on my Instagram about this, it's a lot of guys that was in prison saying, I don't talk to homosexual. I'm not going to sell with a homosexual. I don't want to do no business with the homosexual. But now they're on the streets

following the homosexual on Instagram all in their lives. Yeah, wearing clothes with the names of famous rich homosexuals on it. You know, not today, but like in general, a lot of people are. So that's why I just be like, man, these guys I just enjoy life at him.

Definitely. So where are you at with BG? I love him, support him. I want to see him make it. he deserved to make it. He really deserve it. You know, we had our class. We have disagreement.

We don't see eye to eye. But we used to run together on the street. We got history together. So I want to see him win. And I'm mad that I allow myself to fall into the bull crap that I always say how us as men on the Internet going at one another. And that's what me and B.G did too. You know, and I'm like, man.

It's a man that I was rocking with Doogie. A dude man, Doogie had a relationship like we had before he went to jail, before I went to jail. I mean, you know, so I'm like on the internet now, people want to hear from him. So I would love to have him on my show. We could just talk about old throwback stuff. I look at that kind of stuff can help me with bills and help me with stuff just by him coming on my show, showing love. We just reminiscing about back of the date. So a lot of the relationship is messed up with me.

And it's because Birdman, he disagreed. So they're going to file a soup. But everybody, like, you know, there was a shitload of conversations going on about whether B.G. Snish or not. But do you think Birdman is just taking a hard stance with him that he still fuck with him, even though it's up for debate, I guess? That's a good question. And Birdman, love him.

And he's looking at it like, it's not something like what my name is attached to. So it's like, oh, that's some bull crap. We ain't tripping on with that. and it's going back to the masses. Like the masses saying, it's like something saying, no, he shouldn't do that. So I'm saying, man, well, that ain't rad and do the degree, for him to do the other day, to agree to all that.

So that's cool. We accept that. You know, so me personally, I look, what I do with a lot of the rat allegations with people, with men or women, I don't get into it because I got my situation. So how I'm going to be trying to say, oh, you go research this man, and I got my backyard is dirty.

So a lot of stuff, but if you come from me, now I'm out of go research you because now I've got to match you, you know. It's just kind of crazy that we have so many conversations about snitching and hip-hop at this point, but you have very few situations that are like open and shut, obvious examples of like you got caught in a criminal conspiracy and then you told to save yourself or whatever. It's like so many of these situations are like weird edge cases

that are not like the traditional, thing that we thought the snitchin was at a certain point, but like there are, like, I mean, I look at like the 6-9 thing, and that feels like that's the most open and shut example in recent memory. But he got a pass for real. Yeah. People talk that

talk, but he kind of got a pass. What, just from not being from the streets? Or you feel like people fuck with him? Because I don't feel like people with him. It feels like his, you weren't around when his shit was blowing up. He was like the most lit rapper, and he's around all these blood, so everybody's giving him credit.

for being like a street dude or whatever. I mean, people were skeptical at that time, too. But it feels like then he got out and, like, he dropped some records and stuff. But, I mean, the fact that he's falling back on dropping rap music in general, to me, feels like an admission of defeat that he knows people ain't really trying to hear from him now.

No, I think it's this. It's like what any other rapper, his music has run across. Yeah. Because when he's, even when he snitched, when he come home, people were still rocking with him. He still got that big deal, you know, the millions or whatever the deal they have.

and he was all in the hoods, taking pictures by stuff. But, like, it still felt like the core of hip hop was, like, completely in opposition. Because I remember when he first came out, looking through his comments and not, like, a bunch of cloud chasers, a bunch of Instagram comedians, a bunch of porn stars, no rappers, like showing love in his comments. And I'm talking, like, a post with, like, 150,000 comments. And, like, you know, it shows you the most popular comments. And I'm looking through that shit trying to find a rapper.

Ain't no rappers. But here's the thing And I'm happy you said that So six, nine looking at it like It's bigger than y'all rappers So I got the fan base So once I got the fan base Y'all rapper still gonna need me

You see what Kodak did I'm gonna get that money But you look down on that Because it feels like that was something Where the streets had a hard time reckoning with Kodak being okay with doing that I'm not sure where it stands now But it's kind of like Kodak waited until nobody really cared about

about 6-9 anymore to do it. Right. Because if he had done it when he first came out. Yeah, he'd be proud, right? That's what I said. So you got to pick your battle. You got to pick, okay, I'm going to slide in now. Yeah. Versus, you know, later.

So that was a small move on his part. And Kodak is somebody who's like so beloved by the streets that he could get away with a lot of shit that other people couldn't get away with it. That's a fact. And he did the whole little move where he like dissed him on the song and then they removed that part of the song and shit like that. Yeah, you know, he did it.

He gave himself as many outs as possible. Right. Like, I dissim on his own soul. I got money on, but I still dissed him. And like I say, some dudes that stand up, like, nah, you should have did that. Me, I'm looking at it, like, when you into this music business,

I'm doing business on music. I'm not worrying about your garbage, your baggage you have. I'm worried about what you got going on as far as stuff. music industry. Let's get this music going. I don't have nothing to do with your personal life. And that's the problem. They bring the streets to the entertainment world. Do you, uh, did you interview Marlowe Mike specifically to get at Bussey?

No. Or was that just an important story for you to tell? Because you and him have a bit in common. No, what it was. I didn't have no contact with Marlon Mike. I was sleep. I got up and got a text. It was my codafin and OG Blabber. He was like, hit me up. I just gave Matoo Mike and the Lohomit Tudy your phone number. I said, yeah, I said, all right. So I called. I said, what's going on?

He said, no, man. He said, he wanted to meet you. He wanted to meet me. I talked with him. I told him. So they want to be going to call you. I was like, all right. So they're going to put my number on the thing.

He said, yeah, they're going to put it on. They're going to call. So when he called me, I was like, what's up, man, let's do something. And we was talking. I was like, I said, I don't want to get into your case. I don't want to talk about a done about boots. so I'm going to get none of your person stuff. I want to talk to you as a person to see where you're ahead at.

So people can see that you have changed or if you haven't changed, I want to get into that part. And then plus, I didn't want to mess with his street stuff because I was like, I know it's going to be somebody I want to do a big interview with him, and I don't want to mess that up for him. Because he really gave a gangster the story. So that's why I went, but it wasn't nothing.

Because Boots are going to pay me no attention anymore. Bozzy like, he didn't put me up there, put me out. So it's like, man, I ain't stuck in gang, to keep my name out his mouth. I'm gonna keep his name my mom out, you know.

So, you know, it wasn't, because if it was, if you think about it, I would have been asking him a certain question about booze. Do he see him money? You know, is he there for you? You know, how was he on street?

Was he scared? You know, was he like, you know, I got into more in-depth stuff that people really want to know in here. But like I said, I didn't want to mess up for him a bigger interview.

But he got life, right? Right. So if he does a bigger interview, it's still going to be with the phone? Unless something miraculous happens. Yeah, it's going to be with the phone. I mean, how do you look at that situation? Because it's like, if you believe the version of events that is basically like documented in a whole shitload of different YouTube video documentaries, Boosie ordered a full of murders, enlisting young as dudes from his area, do them,

and then somehow managed to basically avoid all repercussions from it. It's pretty miraculous, if that's actually how it went down. And I know Boosie, like goes hard saying that that's not and these videos are inaccurate or whatever. I don't know. I mean, I find I'm pretty convincing when I see it, when you see some of the evidence, when you see the tattoos of Bousie who you want me to kill next or whatever the fuck, people got tattooed on them. I mean, it's kind of hard for me to wrap my head around how this is

all just not true. How do you look at that? That when you're in them streets, he's connected to the ganges. You just connect to a lot of stuff. So even if you see it one hit, they're going to because this is a lot of stuff. They've been putting me with out of town, gone somewhere that they lie on, you know? So it's just where Boozis who happened.

He'd been in Angola, been in the debt row, charred with the murder. So now, you know what? Let's just put a flock of bodies on him. And sometimes that stuff don't be true. So a lot of time, at my own, if I can't make content off it, I don't really be studying the following those guys.

Because I really used to be in the street, so a lot of stuff don't excite me. Right. But I know if I can, like I said, if I can make content in my, views, the people who finally want to hear that, I might try to dab into it, but I don't pay attention to that stuff. Right. When Swamp Stories put out the video about you, and they did like an original interview with you for it, how did you feel about being called Birdman's

Evil Hit Man in the title? That to me was a little bit over the top in terms of as far as titles go. Evil is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Yeah, but see, there's a thing. A lot of people know my character now. At one time it was true, but I get it to clickbait. I get people want to hear and, you know, that kind of stuff. So I was cool with that.

I wouldn't, I ain't have a problem. Right. Is this guy that kind of feel weird for you sometimes to have people be so fascinated by that part of your life or do you just completely understand it and it doesn't bother you? No, it don't bother me because I don't live it no more.

And I guess people like, I'm not in the streets. but what I like is you was in the streets and now you are preaching to the youngs because I got children or I got nephews and cousins that want to hear your message so I just all right cool it was up thank you for the support definitely um shit I feel like uh we we did a shitload of topics that I was not planning on hidden and then I got through the vast majority of my questions here

so I feel like that was that was pretty good man I appreciate you for that man yeah I got a chance to come out here to Cali. This is your first time out here since you've been free? No, my second. Okay. Well, does San Francisco count? Because I went to this class in San Francisco.

Oh, this is my third. Okay. Yeah, but just the fact that when I can reach out to my PO, and that's another thing on my PO, trust me, knowing I ain't on no bull crap, I ain't doing nothing. Hey, can I go here? It's my plane ticket. That's where I'm going to be staying at.

Go ahead. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not trying to say, hey, can I go here and lie and go shoot over here just to go do something book because I'm too old for that. How many more years of that do you have? I have a five-year paper, but how Ferragor, if you're on one year clean, you can file to get off. Okay. And I'm going, I've been locked, I've been on paper for two years and five months.

Awesome. So I could file now, but I'm not in a rush because I ain't tripping. You let me move and I want to move and I don't do nothing. How often do you have to go in? I don't. Oh, you don't at all? No, that's what I'm saying. No, because they don't do you.

When I first come in, they test me three times. But they know, man, they know that ain't my thing. My thing is trying to get me some money. Without what they worry about, they're trying to watch that. Right. You know, but, no, man. Because I don't give them no problem. Adam, I'm like, literally 90% of the time I'm at home.

So, you know, I get my visits. You know what I'm saying. You got to check in with them and, you know, put your report on what you've been doing. Been around convicted felons. you got to report all that. But for the most part, I ain't doing that. So day-to-day grind,

you're doing the YouTube shit, when you think big picture, what you want to accomplish in the years that you have left on Earth, does anything in particular to stand out, like shit that you really want to make sure that you do before...

I kick the bucket. Yeah. I want to do movies. I want to do movies. I really want to have the scripts written up. I want to get into the, the movies. That's my goal.

I want to retire from the YouTube and I want to do movies. That's what I want to do. That's what I'm working on now. And so you spend a lot of time working on scripts and coming up with ideas and all that shit? Well, I did all that when I was in prison. That's ready. It's pretty much like how this old time he said me. He said, man, gangster.

He said, he wanted to know what you're proud of me? I said what? He said, you long on ideas and shot on cash. So I got the script. I want to do the high boy movie. The Street high boys, my life story. When I was at Walter Kelly with Master P. Cousins. But I don't have the money to do all that because I want to do it right.

I can get my cameras. I got black matches and all. I can go and let's go. But I want to have a nice budget. I really want to do a good film. So that's just the hold up. That would be dope for show. Do you got any words advice to the people who are watching this?

Who might be in a position where they could potentially go down a path similar to yours? Like, what would you say to a young dude who might feel be kind of tempted by the streets? Don't be afraid to say no. Start with conquering peer pressure. Don't worry about what your friends are going to say because

when you go to jail, you're going to be by yourself. You got a lot of people who say, that's my home. I'm down with you and rocking with you. But the many you go to jail, you already can't afford a lawyer. You already can't boring yourself out and your friends are all y'all broke. That's another thing. that just get me, it'll be a bunch of guys ganged up, hanging together, and everybody broke.

Nobody don't have money. As soon as you get locked up, you're calling people to help you bond out, help you get commissary, and then you're getting mad when they don't do it. So my thing is, the youngsters, you have your freedom, enjoy your freedom. Lead the violence alone because you're running the streets. You could be the big homie on the street, but when you go to the feds, I can't speak on on the state. I did stay time, but half of my life in the feds, I know.

it's a protocol. It's big homies already in place that you might not like. You might not want to be around. You don't take orders from. But you know you're a stand-up dude, but what's going to happen? They're going to send three, four their best hitters at you.

So you're going to get beat up, stowed up, ran off the yard anyway. So nobody don't want to go through that. And while you've got your freedom now, enjoy it, take advantage of that. And it's okay to walk away. See, a lot of people feel like when somebody confront them,

if they walk away, you're a coward. No, you thank it for you and the next man because you know what you will do to him. And my thing is, say no to drugs, start a violent, put them guns down. All the boring ass advice that you were getting when you were a kid too, but it's just. No, no, let me take some terrible. It's crazy when I tell people. That's the thing. I've never had nobody to tell me, oh, this is going to have you go to prison.

This is everybody I looked up to, I came up under was gangsters, real people that taught me how to be criminals. and taught me how to do bad stuff. I never had nobody to do what I'm doing now. Really? Yeah, I didn't have that coming up. I had gangsters. People tell me, it's how you get away, boy,

it's how you hold a gun. This is how you put up at the red light. Stay off the car. Don't be all up on the bomb, but you might have to spin off here and put up. I was taught that. Yeah. That's what I was taught.

That's real. Well, you know, there's a lot of people out there who don't have that excuse, who are like, they've had positive influences throughout their life, telling them not to do shit, and they still end up doing shit.

So hopefully we could affect a few people with this conversation. I'm really appreciative, though, as a honor. And I think we just made a classic. I hope so. That was a good one. I hope they take heed to a lot of the points we talked about because I don't have to lie to kick it now. Because I could have chose the route.

Okay, I'm home now. Y'all heard these stories. I want to get back in these streets. Because I got guys that be reaching out to me now. Man, what's all? What's that? something, man, I'm rocked with your G with it. I'm like, no, man. Man, I just did have my life in prison. I watch people get killed. I watch people

run their time up in real life. Man, leave these streets alone. And I know it'd be hard for a dude because, man, I got to feed my family. It's good for you to say this and that. But the men, they go to jail and say, man, I wish I would have to listen. And that's the thing that I want to, that I don't want people that have to say, I wish I would have listened, the could or should or whatever. So I'm hoping they take this and be like, you know what? okay I don't like this what he said but I take this in consideration and in my thing

as long as I can just get one person I'm happy that's real get out on streets man that's it hey man appreciate it Terrence Gainesster Williams it's a big honor

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