No Jumper - The 16ShotEm Visualz Interview: Interviewing All of Chicago's Biggest Street Dudes & More

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

16Shotem Visuals talks about his amazing come up, from filming in dark alleys to having his own production space, life in Chicago, not abiding by rappers politics and much more! https://www.instagram.com/16shotemvis... ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm in here in the booth with a real deal, Shirek Savage, 16 Shotum visuals in the building. How you feeling, man? Very, very good. I'm sorry, I'm a little bit late here. We just got to get them right up in there. I probably do need the headphones in soccer.

Damn, you got a fly chain. What's that? Oh, you got the 16 Shotum visuals chain. Wow, that's lit. Yeah, I got it from Hillson, you know, heard of a bankball knit. No. Oh, yeah. I don't think so.

In the same building as Johnny Dang. Oh, shit. Okay. Damn, that's fly. Would you say that, like, when they talk about Kanye and how he, like, bought all these chains and shit before we bought a house? Like, could you say that?

Like, you caught a chain before you did other things that, like, financially you should have, or was it a wise decision? I had a house for a house for a chain. For real? Yeah. I ain't a lot still for, like, I ain't going to say stupid, but the reason I didn't get a chain at first

because I thought it's stupid. Right. But, like, then I started thinking about, like, the other benefits of it. You know, like, I start to learn, like, people kind of like sheep. Like, hey, they just look at shit and they think, like, oh, you got this, this, me and you leveled up or something. Yeah, I deal with that all the time.

Like, I fucking got X amount of dollars in the bank, but then I'll buy, like, a $400 pair of shoes and wear it, and, like, all the rappers will be like, oh, you're going crazy. And it's like, brother, these are like $200 more than, like, a normal pair of shoes. Like, you really think the $200 is hurting me, but, yeah, I feel you. Definitely. So for the people who don't know, 16 Sean Visual is coming up out of Chicago. He's making moves.

You've been doing documentation of the whole scene for how long now? Like three years. Right. It's like October, I think, 2018. Okay. So let's start from the beginning. Tell me a little bit about where you grew up, the Wild Hunters, right? Yeah, for so.

Okay. I grew up on 130th. Like, the area I'm from is mostly known for this neighborhood called Allgael Gardens. It's a big, like, apartment complex. It's hell of blocks type shit. Okay. It's one of the communities you don't really gotta leave because everything in there. Right.

My hood called CP. It's across the train tracks from them. And it's another apartment complex, but it's smaller. So it's more so like we can grow up on blocks. It's like projects. So you as a little kid growing up, did you grow up knowing that Chicago was this crazy place that had a reputation for insane violence and everything we've kind of come to know it for? No, not at all. Really?

Because like my mama kind of sheltered me from a lot of stuff. a lot of stuff like a lot of stuff that was going on like my part of the city is different like the reason i'm even able to do interviews and stuff like this with most of the city like that because where we from we so tight-knit like we we wasn't really getting involved in everything of they had going on like if you look at like the other neighborhoods like where like chief keeping them from it's like they got so many enemies and so many friends too if you were from oblock a lot of these conversations and the fact that you can go around and talk to everybody it would just be way too political.

Yeah, like, it's still kind of political because people that don't know me, they just see me work with one person and it might be their enemy. Since they don't know me, and I didn't work with them, they think it's something personal. Right.

I might just don't know who you are. Yeah, definitely. But, okay, like, growing up, though, were you seeing a lot of crazy shit going on and were you kind of in the dark? Or, like, when did you sort of realize exactly what was going on out on the streets? Yeah, like, I've seen crazy stuff in my neighborhood,

but, like, the way the world is that Chicago, I didn't think Chicago was a crazy city. I just thought like I'm in the hood. Right. And it didn't really seem bad at first. It was fun. Like, everything was fun to me. Right.

It didn't really get bad. So I got older. Because honestly, I wasn't trying to get in the streets. Like, that never was something I wanted. Because growing up, you know, some neighborhoods, they see people that sell drugs or getting money. Just something, you know, it make it look good. It wasn't like that for us.

I didn't see nothing that made me think, oh, this cool. It was just a lot of fun. You thought, like, if I'm a drug dealer, then I'm kind of a bum. Yeah. So that ain't what I wanted to do. Like the stuff I got into, I feel like, I ain't gonna say I ain't had no choice, but I didn't even, that wasn't what I was trying to do. Like, it's just certain situations happen. Right. Say somebody do something to you and you just respond just as a man.

So you did get into trouble when you were a younger kid, or? Yeah, but like my first case, I called like an armed robbery. I didn't do it. So like my first time as a, like being charged as an adult in jail, I was facing 21 to 45 years. Mm-hmm. And I just turned 21. Holy shit. So I'm like, damn. What were you doing with your life at that point?

Were you doing anything entrepreneur-wise, or you're just working? I was all over the place. Like, I really didn't want to go to school. My mom was telling me to go to school, and I'm like, I don't, I don't know. But I did. I went to, like, community college. I didn't want to take out no loan. And I did that for, like, a year.

And then I left. I ain't leave, but I took the sum off to, like, make some money, because I don't want to be in school broke. Right. And in the midst of that, I caught the case. Like, while I was on the clock working, somebody lied on me and said, I robbed them. Really?

Yeah. All they had to do was say that you robbed them and that was enough for them to lock you up. Yeah, that's what I learned about the legal system. Like, all somebody got to do is say you did something and you're in jail. And in jail, you got to prove if you're innocent. Really?

Yeah. What's it like being locked up in jail in Chicago? Was it wild as fuck? Yeah, but it was more so, like, it was just boring to me. Like that was really it like when I first got there it wasn't boring though it was everything new It was like a learning experience because when we talk about the LA County Jail thing it's like you have to show up Figure out what game you're basically associated with you might have to fight 10 dudes on your first couple days there and shit is it is it that crazy

I mean yeah they do that like when I first not when I first going when you first get to your deck when I get to my Deck it was a dorm so it wasn't sales so it was a big room with 370 people just out in the open Holy shit no and it's just bunk beds. So when I walk in there, it's probably like two, three in the morning. All you hear is everybody say, oh, and then everybody get up and start walking towards you. Yo, what's your, what are you fun? What's this? What's that? I'm, I'm sleepy as hell. I'm trying to talk to them. I'm trying to go to my bed. Right. That you want to the guys, you listen. I'm, bro, I talked to y'all in the morning. Right. They let you get away with just saying, like, no, we'll talk about it in the morning.

Yeah, because it was too many people. Like, they can't keep track. Everybody is coming there. Like, it ain't just me walking there by myself. Yeah, 370 people's insane. Yeah, but like, they They really more so focused on who talking to them, who like, yeah, I'm GD, yeah, I'm BD, yeah, I'm this. I'm one of the, so like, while I was that, it wasn't really no, I ain't go like, that was sweet to me. Like, the people that got in that game bang, I didn't get why they got in that game banging, because it wasn't no deck where if you didn't claim no gang, you're just going to really get win on and get your shit to them. You can not affiliate yourself relatively easily. Yeah, but it just depends on where you are.

Every division ain't like that. I was in Division 2, throwing 4. So it's a worker deck. Like you get to move around the jail a lot. You get to go to the kitchen and shit like that. So people don't really want to fuck it up. And then most people that was on that deck didn't have cases like my. Everybody else around me had a lot of petty shit.

Like they was confused while I was even there. Right. I was confused while I was dead because I'm talking to people. And they facing one or three years and I'm facing 21 to 45. And but that ultimately you beat it because they didn't have any real evidence against you? I never beat it. But like, well, happened was yeah they really didn't have evidence I could have beat if I went to

trial I got two of my lawyer though and I ain't trust him at that point and they they had offer me what was it the first alpha was six to 30 and they had lowered the charges and I'm like nah right and then I think it was three to seven after that and I'm still like no I ain't do this shit I don't want nothing right but long story short after a few years of fighting it I went to a four two conference it's basically like you lawyer and the judge and the state's attorney all meeting the room without you and your lawyers say like if my client was to say is guilty not saying I'm guilty but if I say I was guilty what you know what would y'all work out for me and they offered probation and he came

back to him like would I be a felon he's like yeah I don't want that and then he was like well you could work out something called uh task probation because people who got drug problems they leany in towards and I'm like I don't got a drug problem though he was like he was like you are you trying to go to jail or not? I'm like, all right, so what I got to say is, like, I can't tell you what to say, but I'm just telling you, you know, your options or whatever. So I talked to the lady in the probation,

she kept asking me questions, and it was crazy. She came to a conclusion, like, you're not a fucking drug addict. Right. But I told her, like, my situation, and she just told me, like, you got to say yes to some of this shit, like, so I could pass on to work with, and they gave me the easiest drug class. Like, everybody else there was in their,

four days a week for like a few months. I came four times. Right. They let me go. Was it kind of weird, like being around all these people who actually have drug problems? Yeah. It just showed me like my life wasn't as bad as I thought. Yeah, when you actually see the way that people who are like strong out on meth and shit live, it's, yeah.

Anything seems better than that, huh? Yeah. For sure. So, okay, when it did it actually hit you that you wanted to start doing stuff on YouTube or anything like was being a filmmaker or making content was that a goal for a long time or no it was like at that moment I was doing a lot of different things like legal and illegal just I was trying to find a way in life so I was just doing a lot of different things I was rapping that's really why I bought a camera I was rapping and all the cameraman was charging so much money

and instead of getting mad at them and saying like all you're out taxing I bought a camera and I never used it at first but I was out on bond fighting that case when I demand a child, they start fucking with me, and they start going on my social media because there wasn't no evidence. So what it would not be in evidence, they apply pressure to make me cop out. They go on my social media and find, like, video, pictures of guns, drugs, and liquor. And those was all three things that I signed on my bond to say I wouldn't do or be around. So when I came to court, they had pictures and screenshots and videos of this, and they locked me back up, and then I bonded back out, but it was on house arrest. So while I was in the

on house arrest for a year. I had no movement. Like I couldn't go to school, church, work, nothing, just court for a year straight. Only place I'm going to court. So I had time to sit in front of the computer and learn how to edit. But if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't never did this shit because I ain't had a patience. It wasn't my passion. Right. Did you start looking at anybody who was making content? Like, were you looking at a Vlad or academics or whoever and starting to think like, oh, I see that they have a hustle going on online here? No. Because the interviews, I wouldn't even doing interviews. I was just trying to be a rapper. Right.

Did you feel like when you look back at it, did you have potential as a rapper? Or what are your thoughts on your skills? People still want me too. I just don't want to because with me being around rappers now, I know everything I would look like. And then it comes with a lot more shit too. Yeah. And my goal wouldn't get deeper in the streets, I've been trying to separate myself from that shit.

Right. Because it's so easy out there to get a little too associated with one thing, right? Yeah. But like when I did my first interview, it was, because, Because the dude, the guy from my city that was known for doing it was Zach TV. Right, that's in peace. Yeah, all right, peace, Zach. And a lot of people would be thinking like, you know, I looked at someone and he inspired

me, but I can't really say that because I never seen myself doing this. Like, I literally just hit up one of my homies, Tastes 100 and told him like, hey, let's do an interview. You know, Zach had passed, it wasn't nobody doing nothing. And I thought, like, I know he got clout, so I'm thinking like, we're going to get like 10,000 views or something. And to me, I would have been happy. Right.

And I think it was 10,000 in like a couple hours. Right. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm talking to him. He's like, yeah, bro, this is my interviews do this regular. Right. And I'm thinking like, I just got one viral moment. Yeah, there's certain people that forever, if you interview them.

And not even like super famous people because like Tate 600, you know, he's more of like a Chicago legend, a street legend, etc. But consistently, like, every time I see an interview with him, it's like the same with Krip Mac out here where anybody who can get him on camera, they're going to do some numbers. Oh, you want to connect with him? He'd be charging people for interviews, though. So I ain't ever paying for an interview, but I think he'll be worth it. He's such a clout lick. Like, he just automatically gets you so many views that I can see why he charges people because he got so many people hitting them up.

So it's like, you can't go wrong with it. Yeah, for sure. But, okay, so you start editing and stuff. You do that one interview, and then are you just like, all right, fucking, I'm going to keep the ball rolling here? Yeah, because I literally woke up with fans overnight. I was like, people talking about, you go crazy, bro. I love this and I'm like got one interview out.

Right. So I knew I had something. So I just, I wasn't really making money because my channel wouldn't monetize, but that one interview got it monetized quick. But like- That helped you hit the subscriber and view time limit that you need to hit?

Yeah, because from rapping I had, like I had the subscribers. It was just the watch time. Right. So I think my third interview was like King Vine. Right. So. Classic.

Yeah, so with me having out on interviews, big interviews like back to back to back, I knew I had some. Like even before the money, I knew something was going to come from it. Right. What did you know about King Vaughn going into that? Because you, like, start the interview off by saying you're a legendary savage out here or whatever. Obviously, that's not saying anything super specific.

That could technically mean anything. So it's like, because the weird thing about King Vaughn is like I interviewed him, but really did not know anything about how deep his street shit goes. And then after he passed, I just seen a YouTuber after YouTube making videos, showing his old tweets, showing shit that the cops think about what he was getting into. Like, how much did you know going to do that interview? You know the website Reddit. Yeah.

Oh, they already were threads about him and shit, even back then? Yeah, like King Vine, when I first did the Tate interview, Von and Wooski was the two names. They just flooded me with DuVon, do Woski, do Wiscoe, do Vond. Like, and I don't know if Vaughn was rapping or what. And I think Vaughn was rapping. He had just started, I think, or just beat that three and a half year bid that he did. Yeah, like, but I was hearing about Vaughn way.

before that, like even when I started talking about doing interviews, people were telling me do it. I don't really see him doing nothing. Like, I know the reputation, but like, what can we talk about for real? Right. Because the shit that y'all talking about, I can't talk about him. So I wasn't really own it for real. But once I sing, he was dropping music, I'm like, I fucking, I got something talking about.

We got a reason. He got something to promote. And we did it. I ain't really no details. I still don't know details. I just know where everybody else, you know, like, everybody say, live his rapes. Right. It's just crazy that he was already really legendary before his music had even made a dent. Hell yeah. It's a couple people like that, though.

Like, those really the interviews that do well. You don't got to be a rapper. The people that are, the streets are fascinated by it. That's how you know that, like, that audience is just huge for street shit. Because you don't have to be a popular rapper for people to really want to know what you're talking about. That's why that's like been in Chicago, like a gift and a curse. You could take a fucked up situation, like take limits and make limits. And they like, yeah, you're around a lot of fucked up shit, but like, people love this.

So give it to them. The craziest thing, too, because it's like in the Vaughn interview, knowing so much about him now, when you actually look back at the interview, there's a bunch of stuff that just seems kind of funny. Like, when you ask, like, tell me a crazy story. And him and his boy start talking about throwing rocks at a car one time. And I'm just like, you guys are funny as fuck. Like, as if that is even close to the craziest shit that y'all been involved with.

Yeah. It's so crazy because his biggest song ended up been, well, I don't know if his biggest song, but one of his biggest song ended up in crazy story. That actually is weird, yeah. And I was like, damn, I'm seeing this shit like down the line. Damn, I wonder if that sort of embedded itself in his brain. And he was like, oh, I'm like a song called that. I don't know. I can't take credit for that, though, but that'd be crazy. So when you became a fan of Zach, though, had he already passed? No, I've been a fan of him. You know of them before that. Yeah.

When I just say, he didn't inspire me because I wasn't trying to do it. Like, by the time I was trying to do it, he had already passed. Right. So like, I ain't go a lot. Like, people like you say cheese, Zach. I mean, uh, Vlad, like, that's who inspired me. Zach more so gave me the blueprint. Right.

Because if I never seen Zach doing this in my city and seeing him work with both sides, I would have never did it. Right. Just growing up, that just wasn't no shit you just do. Like, you don't go over here and go over that. But I seen him do it to keep it just business. And it was a good dude, you know, a stand-up dude. So I'm like, shit, that's really me.

I could do the same thing. Right. I just followed that. Like, I seen it work for you. That's what's dope. It's dope seeing people who are like really from the communities that they're documenting, you know? Because it's like I kind of had to, I was like someone who knew a lot about the internet, who moved to LA and then just sort of found myself doing this.

But you from really being out there, I noticed like when I'm watching you interview a nuke on the channel, like the most recent interview that you put up, you're really asking him some questions about like his, you know, politics and everything that I feel like, A, it's so obvious that you know what you're talking about and B, that. they probably wouldn't really be dying to answer those questions for somebody who wasn't really from their city. Yeah. Because I don't know. It's sometimes it feel weird. Like, somebody just out of the blue, and not from there, just ask you some shit. You know about this.

Right. Because there's only, like, I mean, you're always dealing with that. You're talking to some of the people who have the craziest stories, the craziest life ever. But meanwhile, it would be an absurd idea for them to tell you everything that they've been through. And they got to sort of pick and choose what? what they want to share with the world, you know? Yeah. Then I kind of know what to ask, too,

so I don't really try to make people feel uncomfortable. Like, I know what I want, I know what I would answer in the interview. So I don't really, I ain't go say I'm asking nobody's something. I wouldn't answer, but I try not to ask nothing that it get nobody in trouble or criminate. Yeah, it is weird because sometimes I'll be interviewing somebody and I'll just like ask them the craziest fucking shit, because I just know they're not going to answer it. So to me, it's almost like a troll. Like, I know you're going to laugh when I say this because obviously you're not

not going to answer it. I'll be seeing your face when you do it sometime. But then the fans sometimes will be pissed because they'll be like, he has the most federally shit ever right there. And I'm just like, bro, I knew he wasn't going to answer it. It was a fucking joke. Yeah, I don't understand why they get mad because they get mad at the same shit they love. Like the interviews, they get the most views.

I'd be seeing a lot of crazy comments like, you did this, you did that. And the interviews that had the most positive comments had at least amount of views. Right. And it's like they condemn you for the, you. shit that they want to watch. Yeah. And it's a vocal minority, too, because you'll do an interview that gets a million views, and they'll be, like, you know, 500 comments talking shit, and you just forget

that that is a ridiculously small percentage of the people who enjoyed this overall, you know? Yeah, for sure. Definitely. You uploaded some different types of shit back when you first started, though, right? Like, did you, like, realize that you could just make money off random pieces of content because you uploaded some, like, 6'9 shit back in the day that ended up going viral for you? Oh, yeah.

I was on I don't know how like the YouTube algorithm shit pop up a video popped up that says something like make this amount of money per month just re-upload videos and they was talking about like certain licenses and shit and certain shit you could re-upload and I was trying to figure out what I could do to do that and I knew how viral six now was so when I posted it I seen what it did I'm like damn this the biggest shit I I would have posted. So every time some popped up with them, I just found it like it was a Twitter page I was following.

And it probably had like 20, 30 followers or something. But it was just posting everything about them early first. And oh, I see other videos of people that's posting it and it's like 200 views. Right. I'm like, they don't have no platform. They putting it out and there's no else. So I reposted.

And even though I didn't have like the biggest platform, I noticed like, if you post something first, you kind of get the biggest reaction. Right, everybody else kind of get like, like the crumbs, I guess. Right. Who do you, how do you think of your standard for covering an artist, though? Because obviously, a lot of the artists from Chicago is just no-brainer to you.

But with 6-9, it's like, you know, he's basically somebody who doesn't have any respect from all the other people that you're doing content with. Was it weird to even put them on your channel? Do you feel some type of way about that? That was early on, too, because you maybe wouldn't do that now? No, I still post that shit. Like, a lot. Like, it wasn't weird because it's like, it ain't like I'm dealing with them.

I don't know. It's like, I don't care what nobody says is making the money. Like, you think I'm about to stop myself from getting a few thousand dollars off of just downloading a video that took 30 seconds to download and probably another two minutes to upload. Like, that was the easiest one in my life. That probably took me like less than four minutes to do that shit. Right.

Hey, you got to respect it, especially if you're used to doing illegal shit. I mean, people do crazy shit to make like $2,000. Yeah, like, once a lot. I'm glad I found this shit because, like, this is the most money I made, and it's the easiest, I ain't gonna say the easiest,

but damn they're the easiest money I made. Like, I don't got to break no laws. I don't got to do nothing wrong no more. It's just, and it's like I'm helping myself and helping other people at the same time, so it's a way of it. Was it easy for you to get into the flow

of doing the actual interviews? Were you doing, like, a lot of research, you writing out questions? How much of it is just off the top of your dome? Not much, but now, it's a mixture. Like, I never come to an interview with no questions. I probably could, but I just, I don't know, I wasn't confident.

Because I've seen you getting more confident because when I watched the Vaughn one, you're kind of like reading questions that you had written out. And when I watch you now, it's more natural, which is a lot of times when I watch people interview, that's a transition they kind of go through where for me now, like I would never ask a question exactly the way I, I don't even write out the question. I was just read like a little note. King Vaughn did you know he was certified, you know? Like, I know I'm not going to ask the question just like that, but I got it just as a note, you know?

I'm trying to get to that point. It really depends on who I'm working with, though. Like some, because it's like some people, they be so dry. It's like, I got to write a lot of shit because if I'm trying to go off the top and I ask you a question, I only got time to prepare for another because you gave me a two-word answer. So like, I always over-prepared just in case. But if they know how to talk, then it's easy. Have you had that experience where you go to interview somebody whose name is really ringing in the streets?

Everybody wants to hear from him and you finally get them sat down and they're just facing a blunt and just not trying to say. shit giving you the one word answers yeah man I did an interview a little more you know he's hot as fuck at the time and uh we did two interviews the first one was cool the second one it was on like 12 minutes I never dropped it I'm just put it out for like the platinum members on my channel okay because it was like I feel like it just it wasn't you know he wasn't really saying much he wasn't comfortable and then some of the topics we touched on it he wasn't really ready to talk about yet yeah for sure do you ever get the feeling of like you'll have something to do one

one interview and it's amazing and then they'll have another interview and it's terrible. And it's like clearly, usually because of drugs, there's like, they're just a different version of themselves at times. Like, I've seen, like, I'm not even going to name rappers. I've seen rappers do interviews where I'm 100% sure they're on Perk or Molly or some shit. And it's an amazing interview. And I've seen another interview where it's like either they're sober coming down off all the

shit they did before, they're drinking lean or whatever and they're just lifeless. Yeah, I hate that shit. Like, I didn't have people fall asleep in the interview before, but it was like four in the morning too, so I'd get them a little leeway, but yeah, I don't have people fall asleep doing interviews. People just had no energy and it'd be dry, like, right? Be hard to work with. Because at first you were just pulling up to people's cribs and doing it, right? But now you got your own space? Yeah.

Matter of fact, shout out my space, HQ, Chicago. We got a production studio in the city. Where did you get that? You said when? Yeah. Like a year ago. Okay, and was that a big step? Because now all of a sudden you got like your own official platform,

because I know it probably felt sketchy like pulling up to random apartments to interview people and shit. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie like, it felt kind of sketchy, but it wasn't that bad. The video shoots, because I shoot videos too. That was the part that was, I ain't like, because that's police raiding the shoots, shoot outs, all types of shit. You out in public. Everybody, yeah, I mean, somebody could just drive by and do some crazy shit. I don't call two gun cases just shooting music videos. did from a gun being on you or because the artist had them and you got thrown in it.

One situation I beat the case just I just beat it. It was my gun was on me. The other situation I don't want to name them but somebody basically let me go down for their gun and while I was in jail for their gun this not even my friend this somebody I'm working with so I don't get no lawyer towards each other but I ain't say shit because that is just not me type shit right so it would have been my cot he'll automatically put it on me and he needs know that. So while I'm in jail for his gun, he'd go on my car because his property in my car, too, he'd go on my car and steal my camera. And I thought that was just the stupidest shit you could do because it's like, I'm in jail for your case right now. You don't even know me for a. You

don't know that. You don't know that. I'm not the type of person that don't say people names. You don't know that. So you really just... You're really pushing it. You tempted me here. Yeah, if it was the other way around, I would be kissing your ass. I'd be like, you need a lawyer. You need what you need? Like, you're right? You're good, bro? Like, come on. Are we going to You know, but you stole from y'all. I just don't stink like, is he stupid? But I found out, Memo told him to do this shit. Told them to do it.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. I still, to this day, don't get why. Like, goofy shit. Wow. And so is that weird for you, though? Because you have one person that presumably you would have wanted to do content with,

and now all of a sudden it's like, I don't know, like, like, part of you probably wants to lash out and part of you probably wants to just hold it in because you want to try to stay professional? Nah, I ain't really, I ain't, I ain't lashed out publicly. Right. Because I honestly didn't know, Mimo told him to take it to just recently. Like literally like probably a month or two months ago type of shit. Wow.

And this happened a couple years ago. Right. I was confused why he took it. Like, I didn't even know he had took it for a while. When I came home to get my car and my shit wasn't in the car, that's when I hit him like, yo, what am I, and he wasn't responded. I looked on the story, and he put on the story, took a nigg. for us camera or something.

And I'm like, what you said? Like, you took it from me. You ain't take shit from you. He was tripping out. I was in jail. Right. But, yeah. Mimo, I guess he had an issue with me because right after I did an interview with him,

we had a decent relationship. We wasn't friends, but it was cool. Right after we did the interview with some people from a neighborhood called the jungle hit me up. And they, I don't know if he had that song, exposing me out or what, because they were trying to expose him. And they, like, he's not from 600. He's from the jungle.

His brother, Lil Steve, he was like that, but he's not like that. He a bitch. He's a goofy. Just all type of crazy shit. And they took guns from him, made him lead a block, and he ran the $600 type of shit. So with me hearing all this and me knowing we just had a decent relationship, I'm not really too thirsty to want to put that out. So I asked them, like, and it's early in my career, so I'm a little more lenient with who I work with. So I asked them like, do y'all, do you rap?

He's like, no, I'm just in the streets. I'm like, do you got homies that rap? Like, do you got something that I could work with? He's like, yeah, my homie don't do. So I told him, like, we could do an interview, but the focus of the interview is not going to be just to expose him. Like, I'll give you a real interview, talk about your life story, like, try to do something with it.

Because just exposing somebody don't get you nothing but clout, like, bring something that they could watch. Like, once you get this clout, what you know. But it's like that shit is kind of like a drug, like interviewing the ops or interviewing the sort of irrelevant rappers who are hating on the people who are a bigger name or whatever. Like, I remember when people, Pushaici was like first going crazy that I had like somebody hit me up basically wanted me to

interview his ops that he had this whole crazy-ass situation that we don't need to get into with and everything. And it was weird because it's like, bro, I know I could get a million plus views right now interviewing Poochise's ops. And I actually asked him. I asked Poochisi. I'm like, how are you feeling about me interviewing this dude? And he was not positive about it.

He said, I'm going to pull up on you next time in L.A. Then obviously he gets locked up. But, you know, it's the same thing with interviewing, like, baby mommas. There's probably 100 baby mommas in Chicago that you can interview that will go crazy talking shit about these rappers and stuff. But then ultimately, what does that do to your image, you know? Yeah. Well, I've been new, like, a lot of this shit be a relationship-based, too.

You know, your relationships go far. But, like, my morals kind of make that not matter sometime. Because, like, if that was the case, I would have only worked the OTF because that was the hottest group in the city. And that was one of my first interviews, or third interview, came on. So I was in a good position. You could be like the official OTF cameraman and not fuck with the other side at all. But I didn't feel right doing that because none of them did nothing to me.

That would be me picking aside, getting into a beef. I got nothing to do it. So I knew once I start working with everybody, some people are not going to like that. And some people probably going to like fuck with me, but not fuck with me, fuck with me. You don't keep me at a distance type of shit. But I was cool with that because I never was looking for friends. Right. I just want to work where everybody do business.

Yeah, definitely. That's a tough decision, though, because, I mean, you know, there's always that opportunity for you to sort of take sides a little bit too much. But I agree with you, like, saying that it's your morals. Like, that's kind of how I felt in the past. Like, I've interviewed certain rappers that don't get along with other rappers, even just on the Chicago tip. But I always was like, you know what, like,

if Lil Durk ain't going to ever do an interview with me again because I interviewed somebody that he don't get along with, then me and Lil Durk, I don't need that relationship with him. Like he should respect me as a journal. And not that we even had a conversation after the fact or anything, but, you know, like, if you respect what I'm doing with my platform, you should know it ain't all about you, right? Yeah, I just stop giving the fuck.

I ain't going to laugh. Like, I learned, like, it's too many people in the world to be focusing on one group of people. Like, if you choose to work with me, cool. I want to. I fuck with it, but, like, I'm not going to be doing shit that's against my morals to fuck with somebody because then I'm going to be uncomfortable with myself. like I'm gonna feel like I just sold my soul type shit right yeah ultimately your long-term respect will depend on like standing on your shit and just saying this is what I do I speak to everybody

it's all good right then I don't want to be too tied in or connected to nobody because say if I was that they group or whatever the cameraman whatever happened to them if they ever fall off or whatever I'm gone with them because this was the only reason I'm hot but like I got the whole city it's different And like, I feel like the platform bigger, because now I don't just got y'all fans. Got your fans, your fans, your fans, your fans, my own fans now. But, okay, are there certain things that you did in the past that you wouldn't do now? Like, for instance, I'm looking at your channel. I see one of your most popular videos, like a three-year-old video with a rapper talking about basically, like, shooting Polo G and shit.

It says Polo G diss right in the title. Yeah. That, when I saw that, I'm like, ooh, I wonder if he would still do that right now. I ain't gonna lie, like, that video, it's like, bittersweet because it's the biggest music video I got, but it definitely, me and Polo G had an interview set up, and he never came because of that. I was confused at first, but, like, I think the issue wasn't just me shooting the video. It was more so, like, the way it was edited. Like, honestly, I didn't think the song was going to do that. I ain't know what was going on.

Somebody, like, once I announced me and Polo had an interview, his ops hat hit me to book a video, and, I ain't gonna lie. I knew I was shooting a polly to this on, but I ain't know it was like that. I thought he was just gonna out, he a bitch, this and that. Right. I ain't know it's gonna be dis-knowledged, dead friends and shit. So like, once I pull up and I see that,

they even tell me like, you don't gotta drop this on your channel. We're gonna drop it on Papi Game page. Right. I'm all right, cool. Y'all could do that. And this, I knew the video was gonna go viral. Before I left the shoot, I was getting DMs from fans. Like, drop the video, when it's dropping, and then one of the ops DM me,

it was like, don't drop that video. that video it's gonna put you in a war we fucking up cameraman and all and like how's you feel when you read that it pissed me off and I dropped it the next day that's why the video really not a good quality for real because it's like if you come to me aggressive I'll really I'm gonna get aggressive with you right like it was and my I didn't even want to drop it on bro like but you come to me aggressive it's like now you pull them out cars like what you think you're gonna force me to not drop it so I dropped it right but I wasn't thinking about all the other people

from pissed off. It was just him like, you got me fucked up. You're nothing to tell me this shit. Right. It's crazy. I ran into a dude probably like two years later and didn't even know it was him. Really? Yeah. He apologized. He shook my hand. He really could have did something to me. Right.

Why don't say he could have did something to me? Because I was prepared just because this is a dude I don't know. But like, with me not knowing, I wasn't thinking it was him. He could have just instantly did whatever. Right. But he just apologized, say he's in his feelings. because he had just lost some friends and that shit came up and and that Polo G interview obviously was like before he really blew up yeah like it's crazy it was it was to the point polo hit me first

so it was like he hit me like you do videos I'm like yeah he's like I thought you did an interview something I do both and we set a date time everything and then I think he ended up doing it with like the Zach TV page Zach wasn't around but what was on his page right it's a weird decision though because it's like, yes, obviously, like, getting Apologi interview is very valuable for your channel. Like, even at that time, you probably could tell he was buzzing and shit. But are you going to walk around on eggshells your whole life and not fuck with people, etc? Just to make one dude who's really popular happy, you know? No, see, I ain't mad at Polo G for not doing it, though, because, like, my issue, if you don't fuck with me, you don't, you're not obligated to.

I'm not, I'm not entitled to shit. So that's cool. Just don't, like, the reason I don't got no issue with Polo, because he never blocked nothing from me. He never blocked no blessings. He never, well, from what I never heard, it never kept back to me, told somebody don't fuck me. Because that's easy to do too.

Yeah, but other people have. Really? So it was like, other people have, and I didn't do nothing to him, just interview with the cops type shit. And they did that shit, so it's like, I don't got no issue with him for not fuck with me. And I understand it, like, in the video,

when the artist is saying of people names, it's clips, like news clips of them, people like. Yeah, that's aggressive. Yeah, but that wasn't me though. Oh, they edited it? No, I edited it once I showed them to him. He sent it to me and he gave me time stamps. Like, put this there, put this there.

And with me getting paid for a job, I just did it. But now that video made me really don't shoot this videos no more because it ain't really do much for me and it wasn't monetized because I didn't know like when they flagged. I didn't know about the, you know how you could, what's it called like not a pill. Like the copyright strike shit? Like they claimed it because was it an original beat? No, it was. they flagged for not being suitable for ads.

And with me seeing what they're talking about, all the guns, I just never thought that if I say it is suitable, they're gonna make it go through. So I think at like 600,000 views I did it, and then they cleared it, but all the money from the video down there, you know, I ain't really get much from it. Wow, that's great. And I didn't make $800 from that video.

So how do you think about how you move around and your safety and everything like that? Because obviously, so many people, from Chicago got killed over the years. It's almost like unreal. How many people that were associated with these rap crews in like 2011, 2012 are gone now. How do you think about your own personal safety? Are you tempted in any way to move out of there? Yeah, I've been looking for cribs out here type of shit, but not for that more so because I'm just trying to expand more like I'm trying to capture different crowds like different areas. Not just here though other cities like my goal really had a couple of cribs and a couple different places. Right. or just had teams in different places to where I get it set up and work around the world. But yeah, I kind of get tired of the Chicago shit, like tired of watching over my shoulder. Tired of feeling like any day when I leave a crib, something could happen type of shit. But I don't get as bad as a lot of people y'all see, like, like, how I say my hood wasn't one of those hoods that just was clicked up with a lot of different people and got a lot of different enemies.

Like, I know the people to look out for type of shit. It's different now, though, because with the fame type shit, people I don't know now that got issues with me because there's so many people watching and everything you say is dinner going to make somebody happy and offend somebody else. Right. Like, one thing I kind of learned over the years is, like,

if I want to be a prolific interviewer and have conversations with people on both sides of the aisle and talk to all kinds of different people that keeping my controversial opinions about people's business to a minimum, minimum is a lot of times to my advantage. Like if all I did was interview people and I never just like stayed in my opinion on shit, it would probably be so much easier to get interviews and shit like that.

Like how do you think about that? Because I bet you don't say a lot of the opinions you might have about different artists and shit that's going on just because you want to keep your name clean, right? Yeah, for sure, because I don't, I ain't in this shit to beef and argue with people. I'm trying to make money. So we don't make money. It don't make sense to me. But yeah, I ain't go a lot.

Like, I learned how to like keep a poker face with this shit. because people say some crazy shit and it'd be disrespectful but you could find comedy and a lot of shit so it'd be shit that be funny but it'd be disrespectful so i can't laugh because i got a mic on people here they hear me laughing all he think this shit funny yes but it'd be funny but it'd be like you can't laugh at this man so like i learned to like just not so no emotions through shit do you ever have people sneak disson in your interviews and then you don't even realize it as they're doing it and then you kind of realize afterwards like oh fuck he was dissing the ops without even really saying something that I was going to pick up on.

Yeah, all the time. A lot of times I catch it, but... These rappers are smart these days, man. No, I don't think they're too smart. They're smart with the dissing. The clever bullshit, I'm not even going to name the instance of it, but I had a rapper who actually passed away, who I was real cool with on here,

and he was saying some random shit, had no fucking clue what he was talking about. And then after I find out that it was a crazy diss on his ops, and I'm just like, holy fuck, you really had me just sitting here asking, like, what? Hmm? Like, I don't know.

That's like next level like information warfare right there. I'll be catching a lot of shit because a lot of shit be Chicago shit and we'd be already know what's going on. Right. But sometimes I won't, I won't catch it. It'll be the fans that'll catch it. It is a weird decision for you because on one hand, you're like especially suited to do content with these dudes

and you know so much about it and everything. But then at the same time, it's like if you make that your whole thing, It's like I just interview every hot Chicago street rapper. Then you kind of feel like, fuck. Like if my whole career depends on this, this might not be a good thing. Yeah, like that never was my vision. Like my dream for this shit wasn't what it is. That's just what people like.

So it was like that's what I started giving them. Like my vision was just to get a city of platform. Right. It wasn't in a world. It was just a city. I just wanted to get a city of platform. If you dance, model, whatever you did, if you just did something in life and you had a following or you was trying to build if I don't took a series.

I was just trying to help promote the shit. Right. But it is weird, though, because you start, like, I was the same way. I started out. I wanted to interview, you know, people with clothing lines and comedians and YouTubers and porn stuff, everything. I didn't really even think I was doing, like, a specifically rap podcast, but then I kind of realized real quick, like, oh, fuck, like, everybody wants me to just do these rap

interviews because I was kind of in tune with a certain lane that wasn't really being documented. So, and then once you have, you know, if you have 50,000. subscribers or 100,000 subscribers that all want one thing from you, then it kind of becomes like, shit, like, am I really going to go do this other interview that I want to do, but that none of my fans fucking care about? And probably I'm not going to make any money off it. It becomes kind of a weird decision.

Yeah, that's so I'm struggling with now, like, when it kind of like expanded and doing more shit because, like, even coming out here doing interviews, I got a feeling of interviews out here not going to do what they're doing in Chicago, even when I work with bigger artists, because either my fan base don't. know them because I ain't a lot like we be kind of locked in in Chicago shit like we don't be known what be going on a lot of the times with other cities unless they made it like real big right like would you consider yourself a real fan of the music coming on in Chicago for the most part like is

that are you driving around listen to a lot of the same artists of your interviewing and shit yeah not not everybody interview I ain't a fan of everybody interview right a lot of people's music is trash but they're incredibly interesting Most of my music is on that I listen to underground. I don't even got Apple music on my phone. I never had it. Wow, really? Straight SoundCloud?

Not even that, just like YouTube. Yeah. It's on the I was like that for a long time. And then I got Apple Music and now I'm a fucking poser who just listens to Apple Music like way too much. Like it's, I don't even want to say this. I was going to say that. Some bigger rappers like you actually haven't really even heard? I can say that about some big rappers too.

Yeah, it's a couple people albums I never even heard like the Jay-Z Blueprint. I would have never heard that shit. I mean, you're young. Whatever Drake last album is, I don't even know the name of it. Right. How old are you? 27. Shit, you're into what you're into, you know?

Yeah. But I don't, like, I don't think Drake weak enough. It's just I like what I like, Tasha. And also it becomes a thing where, like, I have a new crop of rappers and shit to interview every week. So it's like, how much time am I really getting to spend listening to, yes, granted, Drake's one of the best rappers. But for what I'm doing business-wise, I got to listen to a whole shitload of other rap.

all the time so I don't necessarily have a ton of time to sit back and just listen to like realistically one of the best artists out right now but it's like I just got so much other shit that I gotta be on top of that it can be kind of hard to just I don't listen to as much music for pleasure anymore to be honest yeah that's probably reason too because it's like maybe if I was working with people like Drake and shit like that then I'll be listening to them because it'll make more sense but like right it ain't really making me no money yeah like if you're if you're like Drake's homie then you it's kind of on you you sort of need to be an expert in this content, yeah, I feel you.

But so is that kind of a challenge for you? Since you're already so tapped in with those Chicago shit, when you come to L.A. and you want to find some people that interview, is it a little bit more of a challenge? Like, listening to these artists and figuring out who actually makes sense for you to talk to? Yeah, out here for sure, because I'm still adjusting to the sound of music. It's so different.

Like, a lot of shit that people think hard, I don't really even like. So I don't even know who to work with. I don't know who hard out here, because a lot of music they like it, it ain't my style. It's just hard for me. Well, because I moved from New York to here, and it definitely took me a couple of years

before I really started to, like, fuck with the local, like, you know, scene and shit just because the music in New York is so different. And I come out here, and this is, like, when YG was blowing up. And I didn't think, like, oh, like, I don't like this. But the sound of it didn't really appeal to me like that because I wasn't fully tapped in with, like, the L.A. lifestyle and everything, you know?

Yeah, like the only group I really even know about out here for real for real that I was probably gonna work was like Babystone gorillas or something They're hard. Yeah, they've been going crazy So definitely um, what are you like your oh so that that spot that you got how is that having a spot that you can do you just pull up there to work every day and then also film your shit there or what's the mentality? I don't be there every day. Okay, but like It's really like a production studio so people could come there film music videos you can got a podcast Some you can film that we got a lot of props fire machines just for like production But me and a couple friends got it like you know FBG duck cameraman Billy that's my homie he wanted to co-owners with me it's a couple is like six or seven but like uh I just thought

like I might as well do my interviews here because I was sneaking and doing interviews in a building that I didn't own for like two years or a year and a half like an abandoned building no it's it's called Lacuna Loz. Okay. It's like a, it's a creative space. They got a lot different things going on there. Some music studios, but I was doing it in a bathroom, a women's bathroom, and in a women's bathroom, they had an area that looked like a makeup room or something with chairs and mirrors and like a counter. So I'm like, damn, it's perfect for interviews, the lights, all that shit. Right. So I started taking people in a women's bathroom and it's low key because... But did you ever have any of the artists be like, oh, this is some weird as shit? Why am I in the

Ladies room. Yeah, especially when I'm doing an interview with the girls. Oh, man. They say, see, what you got me walking in? Oh, real. But once I got the password to the door, I started doing it. And the owner of the building knew I was doing it. I didn't know he knew I was doing it, though.

And one day I was doing an interview with one of my friends, and somebody walked up, and I just knew, like, I think, I thought the mic went up. I knew he was somebody, the way he was looking. But he was patient. He stood there and waited until the interview ended. Then he walked up and he was like, yeah, I've been seeing your interviews. And I like what you're doing.

He was like, knowing to we charge people to use the building, but I see you're building something. You could do it. Just don't bring no negative energy here and, you know, promote the building. Right. And I never promoted the building. Yeah, I'm like, what are you going to say? Shout out.

And you're letting everybody know where you'd be in. Yeah, like, it's not safe. Yeah. Like, Chicago crazy. I'm working with the craziest hoods. Right. Can't do that. I just told him like, yeah, I got you.

And then I never seen him again. Wow. And one day, I think like, probably like a year later, I was doing an interview with Stunt Taylor, and security came in the bathroom and asked me to leave. And I was like, called her owner or whatever. You know, he told me it's cool, and she called him. He didn't say it was cool. He can't admit that he said that.

So we had got a spotlight soon after that. Wow. That's crazy. So, I mean, when you see something come out, like one of the craziest things I've seen in recent memory was just a rest of piece of duck when that shit came out I couldn't believe that I saw all the shit about him being killed in such a public area and shit such an affluent area and then when the charges come out and I see how much documentation the cops have about how that allegedly went down I mean that's just one of the craziest shit I ever seen like they got fucking footage of everything

they got text messages everything I mean how did you feel when you saw that information come out And how much can you even say about that? The only thing I really thought was that just show me that they don't care about solving murders for real. Because that mean they could do that all the time. Yeah, that's kind of what I thought too. Like this seems like you could do this about almost every murder if you really wanted to look at fucking 500 different cameras all over the city. They had crazy access to all this shit. If what they're saying is true and they get all that shit and that happened, like how they said it happened, I think it's crazy.

Because that means people shouldn't get away because as I'm just, driving on expressway. I see cameras even on the expressway and plate readers and shit. So it's like how are people getting away with everything else they're doing? Yeah. But then you have a high profile rapper who gets killed

in an affluent area. And all of a sudden, they're going to do every single thing they could possibly do to figure it out. Yeah, I think they're trying to make a sample by the people. Definitely. I mean, that shit was fucking egregious. If it went down the way that they said it went down, it's like what the fuck.

You gotta make an example for shit like that, though. Because then people start doing that in those areas and making people feel uncomfortable. Like, that'll fuck up the money. Like, if downtown become a spot that's not safe no more, then Chicago really gonna go to shit. People already need to get to come to Chicago. But, like, downtown's supposed to be the safe spot.

If y'all fuck up that, the city's going down here. Right. You fuck with Lori Lightfoot? I don't have an issue with it, but I don't... I ain't go, I don't really be paying attention to shit. I remember as Ruga that, he goes, that's what happens when you elect a stud. I couldn't believe he said that.

I ain't go out. I don't play with... politicians and police and shit because i don't know smoke like yeah that's a good point i think don't the police work for the man or something yeah i mean essentially i think they don't like her though i think they was turned up they back on her some shit because she was on to defund the police shit right it's the last thing they need to do in chicago yeah i don't understand something she's say but i don't got no issue with i want to down an interview or some shit oh my god understand that would be crazy yeah what do you think about like i seen in new york the mayor is actually saying that they

They need to basically ban drill music. And, I mean, you see shit. I don't know. They want to take down some of the videos because the New York drill scene is crazy as fuck, like really documenting these beefs that all end in murders and shit is OD. So, I mean, when I seen the mayor say that, I'm like, number one, this is a stupid fucking fight. Because realistically, like, you go up against rap music. Rap music seems like it's going to win in the long run.

But at the same time, how long can a city really let these rappers make these videos about each other without at some point stepping in. I mean, I do feel like music plays a part in the shit. But it's like, once the shit started, it started. Once it's blood it says, they're gonna keep going back and forward. Even without the songs, the songs. I believe the song's amplified for sure, though, because I just see how Chicago was, and I look at how it is now.

And a lot of rappers don't want to say it. They be like, no, it ain't the music. But like, you just got really look at this shit. it's worse. It's just getting worse and worse and the songs getting worse. Then New York, when a drill hit in New York, I'm starting to see, like, well, I can't speak on the real because I never led that. But on the outside looking there, that shit looked like it got worse than music. Yeah. I feel like music play a role. And a lot of shit is more, you know, influential than people think. Right. It's crazy because, like, I was watching you interview billionaire

Black, who I also interviewed a good guy. And he was, you know, it's weird how he moved out of Chicago, which it seems like such an obvious decision that if like you're doing all right for yourself you might want to move out of an area where like damn near everybody you know has gotten killed and realistically you know there's people that want to kill you. He moves to Arizona and he's probably happy

and living a chill life out there but somehow like with the street shit Chicago and stuff that's seen as like somehow him like kind of copping out and like not wanted to like be in the middle of all that right? Yeah, I don't think it's coping out though. I think he's just tired of this shit. Everybody really tired of. That's all on the same.

the people that still be like making the shit worse and promoting it because it's like I feel like being that black he'd been around long enough to the scene how bad the shit getting lost enough friends to know the shit pointless and it's a fucked-up-ass cycle they never in yeah I don't understand that people who like actually be for that shit and want this shit like this should be like a survival thing not no you just want to go kill people all day right Shit stupid. Because if you make it to like, you know, 30 or even close to 30, I mean, that shit has to seem a lot less cool than it seemed when you were 15. It's easy to understand how a 15-year-old gets seduced into this gang lifestyle and wants to catch bodies and shit.

But by the time you become a grown man, it's like that shit has to wear off at a certain point, right? It'd just be too late at that point. Like, when you're a kid, you just like, you kind of know what come with this shit, but you don't really know for real. So it's just be fun to people. Then once you find out it's too late what you're gonna do like even if you play I want to do this no more The people that see you they not gonna care about that shit Right So it's like you can be stuck definitely so that's why I guess people just like fuck it

That's what I signed up for and just lay that light till they die right Yeah, it's crazy out here um So do you see any like positive developments for how shit is going with the young people in Chicago being that you're like right there? Do you feel like shit is just as bad as it's ever gone? I think shit worse. I looked at, they said a murder rate was the worst in like 20 or 25 years or some shit this last year. So it looked like it's worse. And then all these crazy-ass guns, they getting out the switches and shit, like that shit is scary.

Like, knowing somebody could have 50 bullets and let all them bitches off in a few seconds. Right. Like, that shit's scary as fuck. What was the scariest situation you ever found yourself in when you were off filming some shit? Because I've seen some of your titles that were like shots go off during the interview and I almost clicked it, but I had to go to bed and I'm like, I know it was just some shots in the distance because otherwise it would have been like the craziest shit ever. Yeah, that's what it was. It was definitely some shots in the day. It wasn't too far though, but we knew they weren't shooting at us.

Right. We was always from the whole other part of the city somewhere. But it was an interview. I don't want to say his name because I don't really fucking like that. But it was an interview with a guy. guy and he had me coming a bando and I didn't know it was a bando because upstairs it was people upstairs and I think we're gonna do it upstairs upstairs upstairs thing cool when we go downstairs there's no lights and I just didn't pull out a gun and I don't know him like that

so I'm looking like bring me to a room no lights why he's pulling out a gun and then he's looking left and right I don't even got my gun on me so I'm really kind of nervous like what the fuck gonna go on but then I see like he just try to make sure the space clear before we film I never dropped the interview we ended up redoing. Really? But that was like a moment where you're like, oh, fuck, what I get myself into? Yeah, for a few seconds. But other than that, like, the worst shit really

was the video shows interviews. I kind of, once I got tired of shit like that, I started controlling the environment and start controlling how things going to go. Right. Even when I didn't have a space, I still control, like, we're doing it here at this time. Do you feel like you get the appropriate amount of love? Because when you really think

about it, you being somebody from the city who's really building something and like really being from the community and stuff, it is kind of unique. And, you know, do you feel like the people show you the respect that you deserve at this point? Yeah, I know. I feel like, you know, like, if you be so focused on who not fuck with you, you, forget who fucking with you. And the majority of the city fuck with me.

Like, it might be like 5% that's not a sum, but that 5% be like, damn, what y'all don't see me or something? You know, but like, yeah, I get way more love than I have expected to get. Like, when I'm outside, people recognize me and shit, and it'd be love. Like, being just at a gas station, my fuck, oh, yeah, you interview somebody from this hood.

I fuck with it. It'd be love everywhere. Yeah, that's a great feeling, right? Yeah. Because it's like you're around real people. It's like real salt-of-the-earth-ass people who just are the regular people at the gas station and the fact that they're at home watching your shit on YouTube,

Every time somebody comes up to me saying that shit, even as much as I get used to it, it also still blows my fucking mind. You know what I love when that shit happened? What? And I'll be out with like a girl or something. Oh, that's the best. That clout me up. I'm like, hell yeah. Good looking.

Now, you know who that is? I still fuck with my girl. Like, if a fan comes up to me saying some crazy shit, like, oh, my God, you're the best. God, you influence me so much. As soon as they live, I'll go on my girl. I'll be like, you remember that. You remember that right there. Yeah, I look he liked that shit because I ain't in that type of person.

Like, if you meet me, you ask me who I don't want to do. I just be like, I just do interviews. You don't want to be flashy, but when other people do it for you, it's like, well, hey, you're doing it on me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know the feeling. All right, so what do you see as, like, the next steps that you want to take in terms of bringing your brand to the next level? What are the fans got to look forward to? What I'm really trying to do, I'm trying to figure out, I'm trying to build a team.

trying to figure out what all I need. Because, like, I got an editor, and that's really the biggest thing for me so far, because it gave me way more free time. You used to be up to 4 in the morning, editing? Every day. Now, I got a lot of free time, and I use that time to figure out, like, who I'm going to work with what I'm going to do. But, like, that's really what I'm trying to do now,

just build a team in different cities. So the point where I could just work from home, like, I just got a mic. He got the camera, he got this. And I just, so I could do an interview in Chicago, then one in New York, didn't want to Atlanta all in one day. Because that's what Vlad does. Vlad isn't even there for half his interviews.

He's just doing it over FaceTime. And you would never fucking, the only reason you would know is because they talk over each other a little bit more. And it'll be like kind of awkward at times. But for the most part, he just, if there's a rapper popping off in Memphis, he got a cameraman in Memphis. He got a studio, boom, sends them. They link up.

They do it. Like, I'm always just in awe of the machine that he built that lets him create content on a ridiculous level. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. And I'm trying to branch out to, like, the game and shit, too. Oh, nice. But I kind of lost the love for this shit. Like, as a kid, I used to be done addicted to video games,

like playing it 17 to 20 hours sometime in a day. But now, I don't know what I got. It's really when I lost my virginity. Once I did that, I wouldn't really plan the game like that no more. Like, it slowed down. When I was a kid, when I was like eight years old, up until the point that I was about 16, I was so obsessed with video games all those years.

And then I kind of like, once I really started like going outside and being around people and like, you know, just being around girls and shit, I was just kind of like, eh, this ain't like cool it to me anymore. And then when I look at it now, I'm like, wow, video games are like so cool.

That was a bad calculation on my part. If I had stayed in tune with the video game culture, I probably would have been a very good thing for me. Especially now because it's money. Huge. If I was like the game I was now, then I'd be rich as fuck because I'll be doing what I'll be love what I love all day you be KSI in Chicago now I'm weak as fuck like playing college duty online yeah

don't little kids be fucking me up and I used to be that little kid yeah no I was good at fucking video games and now when I try to play Fortnite or whatever I feel like it's not even I'm not in the same universe with these controls yeah it's too fast-paced for me they building shot it's just too much that's yeah I can't even think about that I'll be confused playing that once I get back to it yeah I'm gonna start streaming I really want to do that that GCA role play shit. Oh yeah, you like that shit? I never played, I just seen it.

Because I don't want to, so with me not playing a game, I want to just buy a gaming PC just for that. Right. And then fuck around not even play. Yeah. And also like streaming games, like when Red Dead Redemption came out, I tried to stream it. And I just kind of realized like, fuck,

like I'm learning to play this game. And I got 500 people sitting here watching me. And it's fucking awkward because I haven't played a game with controls like this is so long. It's just really kind of like, ruined the enjoyment aspect of it and what I'm scared it was when they put that new Zelda out because I fucking love Zelda and I know I'm gonna end up playing that shit so much I ain't played that since what was on like Nintendo 64 or something yeah but that breath of the wild that they have

for for switch was like unbelievable like one of the best games I ever played and then they're gonna put the sequel out and I just I got to do it I kind of stopped playing games by the time switch came up yeah I never even touched the Nintendo switch I did for the most part but then that one just got me is it like the we uh no it was just like a regular role-playing game with like a really good story and like crazy the graphics are incredible and stuff i don't know do people really want to hear me talking about this um all right man i'm big fan channel you're killing it very proud to see like the new generation of interviewers coming out just making moves and stuff so i mean congrats on all the success you've had for real

appreciate i'm big fan of you too appreciate you man and everybody watching this if you haven't figured it out yet go tight 16 shot and visuals into youtube and smack that subscribe yeah You're calling me on the ground too at 16 Shot on visuals with a Z. What else? It's cool. I plug my merch. Of course. Oh, yeah.

I got some merch. It just dropped like two days ago. Just look in the description of all my videos. It's going to be there. Respect for rocking the off-white and not wearing your own merch on the podcast. That's because I wouldn't prepare. I would have did that. Because I told you about this interview yesterday.

Yeah. Oh, shit. That's a good point. Sure. All right. Well, hey, much respect, man. I appreciate you coming on. Everybody goes subscribe to his channel.

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