No Jumper - The 22Gz Interview: Losing Nick Blixky, CJ Beef, Youtube Detectives, Kodak Black & More

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

22Gz talks about his come up, Brooklyn drill, enjoying the fruit of his labor, being more mature, how he really feels about CJ and more! https://www.instagram.com/22gzofficial/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And we got my man, 2-2Gs in the building. Yeah, you shit. Sniper the Blikie was good, y'all. How you feeling? I'm good. You know, we in L.A. A whole lot of Zah.

A lot. You got the Grabba in there, though, right? Yeah, for sure. You got to work with that. They used to be fron-a-law. Mike. He's going crazy on the Grava. But in New York City, we put that shit in the microwave,

the aqua-throat in the microwave, crisp it up, put in a nice container for you. You walk up out of there with your spicy gravel. Y'all know how that shit go. You have them do that for you at the bodega? That's what I said. They started that shit. I thought they started it in Brooklyn, but they started that shit in the Bronx.

Wow. That's incredible. That's amazing. I'd have no idea that they were fucking with you like that out there. No, I'm cool. I'm trying to keep my head on straight. Like, bro, I ain't no joke, you heard? Shit had to be rapping better than shit, though, for real.

You remember when we met? Hell, yeah, I was hodge. Fucked out of the interview, too. Nobody was at Atlantic. They pulled me into a studio. I remember back in the day, and they're like, this is two of yous, and I met you.

and then I've been watching your whole career since then, but we met for like a brief moment before the first interview. I don't even remember, that's how hard be. It's shit crazy, son. You start smoking more during the pandemic or something? Yeah, yeah. Definitely being locked in and shit. Way when it was up, up.

Man came up with niggas. Really? Yeah. You had to just get more in the zone. Because you didn't used to smoke when I first met you, right? Or not. Nah, no, I was smoking. Hell, yeah.

I've been smoking and shit. This basically what started 22G's right here. Yeah, this weed shit, you heard? Right. And I just turned it into rap. That's crazy. Yeah, because, yo, I went back and I was watching, like, your first videos, like, 2016. 2016 would have been the first ones?

Yeah, like 2016. Yo, and that shit, I mean, it was just crazy looking back at that, like, you were young as fuck, talking crazy as fuck. Talking crazy. That shit was crazy, but I looked back at it, too. Right. Yeah, that's, that's, I got a pass that, you know, I'm always be able to tell. my kids and shit, like, yo, my past was fun as fuck.

I ain't go line. Like, definitely if you had, like, a 16-year-old son, you'd be able to be like, listen, like, look at my rap video from when I was here. We were wild and, like, you can't tell me shit that I ain't already live because look at this shit that I was doing. Like, when you think back to that time period in your life, though, like, what really got you making rap videos and stuff? Because it's kind of crazy when you look at, like,

how much of an influence you've had in the game and how early you were on so much shit. At that time, who was influencing you to make music and what made you really want to go all out and be doing music videos and shit at that age? I'm going to say Chicago, definitely, because we was looking at all Chicago videos and shit growing up and shit.

I'm going to say competition in Brooklyn, too. Like, it wasn't per se doing drill, but it was still competition going on with the young cliques and shit within the city, you feel me? So it was our turn to show out. My shit had got a million views and shit, so I just kept going crazy with it, you feel me? But, you know, yeah,

there was competition. but like who who were you hanging out with though and was there ever a moment where dudes were like we're like older dudes were kind of like yo like you could be the voice for our people you know like you could really do this yeah I mean after like I got the first million views that's when the whole hood kind of like called on like yo too fake talent to this shit you feel me it still ain't hit me though I ain't gonna lie like it hit everybody else around me like yo I'm nice with this shit and all like it ain't hit me till like I got locked up in Miami and shit then I'm like yo they call me on the news Brooklyn rapa da da da da I'm about to

take this shit serious when I get home. So ever since, I just been locked in. Definitely. Yeah, like, so you were super influenced by the Chicago stuff musically, because that was one of the biggest changes, I guess, that sort of came about, like with the whole drill wave is like, there's always been this classic New York sound.

And all of a sudden, there was just like a totally new sound that sort of combined some of the UK influence, some of the Chicago influence, et cetera. I told it, because I just was on YouTube. One day, I clicked. I had my own style of rap, my own flows, and shit. I didn't want to really sound like nobody else.

So I really just clicked the beat on YouTube. It was a UK beat, you feel me? So I was like the first young nigga from Brooklyn with the UK beat, so it just sounded different. Everybody just stuck to that. They started looking for them type of beats and just stuck on that type shit. Had you listened to much UK music at that point up to them?

Hell no. I mean, now I just started tapping and as I got older, you feel me? Like I'm smarter now so I could go Google, like, yo UK drill, da-da-da-da. Definitely. You get love from those people? Because I feel like when I was out of the

in the UK and stuff that I was hearing people say like, yo, like kids out here, they're really listening to Tudu J's like a lot. In the UK, I ain't ever been out there, but they show a lot of love. They should, because we show a lot of love to the UK. You know, we really fuck with y'all, we really fuck with y'all.

Style is fire type shit. Shout out to the shot too, though, because that's the originator to me. 100%. When did you first hear the word blicky? Because that was the whole wave in the beginning. That's the craziest part is watching this young-ass kid in the videos,

Bliky, blicky, blakey, every other word. And, you know, there aren't any actual blickies in the video. I mean, there might be blickies in the video, but there's no firearms in the video. But where did you first hear that term? And then how did it become such a focal point for that early era of your career? Bliky the word, that's the New York City word.

I'm not even going to say that, because they're saying it in other cities too, but I'm pretty sure it started in New York City. We just really bought the word back to life. Like, niggas was insane that, blicky shit no more until we came back with that shit. So, you feel me? That's really what it is. Shout out the Bill's Blicky, though.

Yeah, he said, yo, keep this rap on me like I'm Bill's Blicky. You feel me? That just put the light bulb in the air for the young nigga. We just ran with that right there. But it did standout. Like, you really kind of like made it a brand, you know? Like you really marketed it. I branded it at all on some serious business type shit, you know?

Mm-hmm. Definitely. Oh, shit. Go on the Nett. A little fallen blickies, man. Free the blickies, you feel me? Right. I was listening to that song, all the fallen blickies last night.

Yeah, yeah. We went crazy on that, man. That's for the guys right there. I know they was thrilling crazy up there, you feel me? Definitely. Yeah, when you think about that, like, do you feel like you're, like the thing that's kept you so motivated to keep going musically is just all the people you've lost that can't try or can't have the opportunities that you have right now? Definitely, definitely. Long live Nick Blicky. Feel me, young nigga, go there. Have you on the Trish?

For me? Yeah, he had these young Trish driving a boat, had shit. in the town you feel me he got to get out his glow you feel me but that ain't going stop no we're still going crazy you know me bro smiling up there was that your closest friend that you lost in all this no that wasn't my closest friend but that was that was a close friend to me that was that was a close friend to me and he was like very influential and a lot of people really i mean we love we love nick in the hood though nick was a her favorite you feel me yeah that was a big one like that that definitely probably affected a lot of people yeah it did you feel me definitely affected a lot of people definitely

He's up to today, but you gotta keep going, you feel me? You can't show no weakness in this shit. Mm-hmm. Definitely. Wrong live Nick Blicky. It feels like you've kind of elevated, though. Like, do you feel like you have to move, like, completely differently? You still stay in New York most of the time?

No, I don't stay in New York no more. Okay. Yeah, I was staying in New York, though, through all the disc tracks, through everything else while everybody else moved out. I was the last one to leave. Really? Yeah, yeah. You didn't want to get out?

No, it's not even that. It's just, you know, family, shit like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, my mom kind of down the earth. She'll be with that moving out shit at first. You feel me? It got to make sense. You got to make sense.

Right. But, I mean, you love New York City, too, right? Hell yeah, I love New York. That's where I'm from. It's got to be hard to leave that energy. All that energy in New York is like, you know. It's fast-paced, yeah, it's crazy, son. It's crazy.

It's real fast-paced, you know? A lot of drip type of shit I like to do, you feel me? How you feel about Brooklyn these days, though? Because it's a lot of change since you were a kid. Yeah, it's getting real sticking in Brooklyn. It's getting real sticky. Real sticky. I'm talking about like the gentrification and shit.

I don't know. A lot of areas like bedstay and shit that used to be like you would never see a white person there. And now it's like they're taking over block by blocks. Now I've been happening though. I've been seeing it coming. Like we are slowly but surely you'll see one white person. But there ain't no problem though. We don't be trying to bother them.

They kind of keep us on our peas and cues too. They're going to call the cops. Yeah, yeah. We know they're going to call the cops. So you got to be on more 50 now. Right. Definitely. Yeah.

I mean, do you see that kind of stuff as like a giving and a take? On one hand, yeah, maybe the area is getting safer. On the other hand, I mean, it's not the same Brooklyn that you grew up in or that you were in love with as a kid. I think it's been to regardless. They don't care who there. You heard it? They don't care about who's there with gentrification.

If the officers there, that that's how the streets is, you feel me? Right. So it's like, yeah, you could say that though, but why not? Hell yeah, I want my hood to get gentrified as much as it could, but the rent is just what it is in New York City that be killing everybody. It's kind of crazy out there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's real. It's just so, the cost of living is so high that, like, you know, a lot of times I think about that in New York in general is like, you used to be able to be like a broke person and live in New York and try to be creative, working on your career.

Right now, Pam Mary's course a thousand. Right. The Dios costs like $12.50. Your Cuban costs like 25K. It's like it's crazy. Like, and they got paid rent too. It's like. Metro card. Like a hundred plus, right? Niggins ain't through the metro car to me. No. It's over? I used to dance on the train yeah, niggas is up and it now though, but we ain't doing it about time. When's the last time you took the train?

Last time I took the train was a while. It's been a while. I'm not going to lie, I took the train a couple times last time I was there. Me and the train, I got personal. Me and I used to get light on the train and shit for cash and shit. So me and me in the train, when it comes to the try, I take that shit personal, you feel me?

Yeah, I try to stay away from that because I get like a whole different thought. Yeah, last time I was on the train, I was really thinking to myself, like, am I too good for this now? Like, is this? No, you're never super for the train. Am I not safe on that?

The shit gets sticky. I'm on that train. Best believe it or not. I see I know the whole city subway. You could drop me off anywhere in the city. Once I see the train, it's over. I'm gonna find my way. That's one thing about me.

I was doing that shit for a while. Not too crazy, but I used to leave school to do that shit. You know what I don't be trying to like really be on the train and shit. I don't really like that shit. I used to have a lot of pride in like knowing the subway routes and like which trains weren't running at what time and which train to get to which train to get their fast as fuck. fast as fuck. You know, having lost that, feels kind of shameful. Like, I wish I still had that knowledge. You from New York City? No, but I moved to Brooklyn 2004 and stayed there until like 2010. So I had a nice little run. Yeah, it's not that. You'll learn that shit quick, right?

Yeah. Well, it takes a lot of work. Yeah, I was. Part of Brooklyn. Bushwick. Oh, my. With the school over there on Knickerbach, I have you heard? Nickerbocker. That was where my post office was. I had to walk like two blocks over there. It's actually, you know what's weird is when I'm watching the documentary is about 6'9 and shit? I'm like, bro, that's exactly where I live where he grew up. Shout on money, man. You say, yo, he was up in Bussick with that blakey like he's two to do G's, bro.

Yeah, I didn't even really like think it was a rough area at that time. But then like when I left, they were telling me like, you know that that park right around the corner and shit, they sell hella heroin out there and shit. Because in New York days, they wouldn't have said hella. You've been laid out in this spot. You heard shit get lit in the town. Yeah.

I thought people were just tired and shit. Mm-hmm. My mom's never told me the 90s, 80s, that ever was crazy. People would be asleep. that on the floor like that shit that's the other thing that's changed so much in new york is that there's just cops everywhere it's cops everywhere only thing that's good now though the bud legal now so there's more vibes out there it's like it's bobby i ain't gonna lie it's bobby that shit is

trippy as fuck like last time a lot of people out there and they smoking we were staying in Williamsburg and we smoking a blown on the side of the street and like two cops will walk by and i'm just getting like my old reaction i'm like ah you're gonna stomp on it got to tuck it somewhere you got stomp or eat the Eat the spliff. Yo, the cops. Niggas ain't had to eat the weed, you heard? Oh, yeah. The cops didn't look happy about the fact that they had to just keep walking, you know?

Like, they look like they kind of lost something there. Like, we used to always have this one thing that we could harass you about all the time, and now that's gone. They didn't like it. Yeah, so, yeah, that you were, see? That's how I know you want timing, bro. You said the right shit. That was the excuse to pull the niggas over and search it in cars.

Like, niggas, we ain't got. We're chilling, bro. Yeah, I ain't got no reason to pull us over and search now. So just leave everybody alone and everything on be out. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because we're talking about the gentrification shit, but then at the same time, I feel like in Brooklyn, it's like the street shit never been wilder than it is recently

or at least, you know, in recent memory. You think that those are related in some way, that somehow like the gang shit has gotten worse in reaction to the area changing so much? Yeah, because certain people, I mean, you could say that, yeah, because if this person can't afford to live here, he got to go. he forced to move down when he probably what probably ain't supposed to be at you feel me so now

he probably got a walk with a firearm so when he see these guys he's blown at them off the rip is everybody just getting like pushed kind of getting further east yeah that's eventually what's going to happen everybody going to have to live in brashville no i ain't going to say to vip they can't all that i ain't go say the bill the homie they they goochie in the bill but it's just like yeah they're going get pushed to the outskirts, feel me? Like, all close to the stadiums and shit like that, that's gonna be where the gentrification really gonna come in. So Flatbush, per se,

that's why Flatbush is getting gentrified because it's close to the Barclay Center like that. So they gotta gentrified, so. Definitely. Get more sales and shit could make sense over there. When you look back at yourself coming up and making music and stuff, like, how different do you feel about your mentality now?

Because, you know, now you're just so much more of an adult having these experiences, is really working on a career where I was like, you know, you're young as fuck making that music. You're probably not even thinking about like the long term of trying to really make it as an artist where you were just thinking about, you know, just sort of boasting and like doing this as like a way

of sort of stunting on your neighborhood or some shit, right? Like, what do you? That's a fact, though. That's a fact. Like, I learned a lot. Like, definitely over the last, I've been signed for about three years now, you feel me? It was definitely like a change in the mindset.

I'm going to say over, overtime and shit. At first it was more on some stunting shit. Not really stunting on my men. like OD trying to stunt on the ops, stunting the ops. Now it's just more awesome. Like I heard about my family. I don't really care about my niggins.

I'm worried about what we got going on, you feel me? Right, because I mean like... Because if you lose track of that, worrying about what other niggas got going on. I realize that. Yeah, because, I mean, that makes so much sense to you when you're young in New York City, right? Like, that you're going to have problems with people.

You want to, like, you know, figure out who's the top dogs, who's going to be the big dogs. But then, you know, you get all of you start thinking about your family. You're in trouble. Once you realize you're going to be in trouble. you can't keep up you're in trouble that's where the trouble start right you got yourself and some shit you can get yourself out of yeah that's really what happened into the young niggas that's why you got to just be smart learn from other niggins mistakes and shit how old do you know

23 23 yeah so you're still pretty fucking young to have had this much experience doing grown man business yeah basically type shit definitely when you look back at uh the like the kodak thing when that came about like describe how you first even heard the idea that was that through orlando at first Or you already knew Kodak? No, I heard a Kodak, like we listened to his music, but Orlando definitely put the word in type shit. Shout out the O. You feel me?

And shout out the yak too. What, me? Right, so what was that like the first time you met him or the first time you started speaking about working together? It wasn't too different because I was locked up in Miami, but it was different because it's like, yo, this is a rich nigga, like, feel me? Rich young nigga, like, you feel me?

I can learn a lot from him type shit. Because he had already like fully made it at that point, right? Yeah, he made it. So it was like, I really just, just gotta learn what I can learn from bro like as much as I could you feel me work that's really what it is don't look for no handouts just work and just yeah it really just work that's really what it is never look for a handout and shit like that that's really where niggas be going wrong and shit looking for too much handouts and shit you already had some pop and music at that point but you feel like that's when a lot of people in new york really started

treat you different because codec's name was just so big yeah you could definitely say that definitely you could say that because that's that's how it is with all other rappers once they get the big stamp behind them or the co-sown behind them people believe like he really he is what he say is you feel me especially coming from the type of lifestyle they claim i was living you feel me they claim they claim that's what they say stuff gets exaggerated yeah yeah definitely yeah i mean one of the craziest things that you must have had to get used to over the past couple years is that it's super easy to go on youtube and search up videos about you and about your history and all kinds of shit that's been going on the streets and everything it's not just you, they do this to everybody now. How does that feel to like basically get to like sit and

like watch like a 10 minute sort of soap opera documentary about your life? That shit scary. There's no way they know what they think they know like that. Feel me like y'all need to just chill because y'all be saying a lot of fake shit on there and y'all be saying a lot of shit that could get people in trouble sometimes too. Not necessarily me or my peoples but I'm talking about other cities and shit too, you feel me I gotta be easy and just chill the best shit. Streets is the streets, you heard? And does that ever cause like more problems where you have like issues that come up

because this video said that so-and-so did this to so-and-so and then all of a sudden people in the neighborhood start thinking that that's really what happened or something? Like, no, no, no, liggas is still on that type of tip. Y'all bugging you. You know, I should have definitely learned from, you feel me? Right. You can't, you can't trust the little hood documentaries? Nah, don't be watching them shit, y'all.

That's, that's, that's, don't be watching. You ever seen anything in that? You ever see anything that really like pissed you off? Like really like, fuck. Like how could they possibly say this about me and it ain't even real? Hell, y'all see some crazy shit. They like, we sacrifice Nick Blicky. Like, what?

Should be crazy. Should it be weird. Like, don't do that. That shit weird. Because you don't know how people family feel, when you feel me deep down inside, we can't, we can't do that. That weird ass sacrifice shit. Like, who's the who?

What is? I heard that about a bunch of rappers at this point. I'm not gonna say, I'm not even gonna speak on nothing like. I'm not trying to get involved in them type of topics, you know? Right. But, okay, to be fair, though, I kind of, that rumor probably has something to do with the fact that Nick's mom went on and did, like, an interview with an upper class, right? I ain't even see that. She actually said something like that.

Like, I don't think she was literally saying that, but. I got to go watch it. I don't know. I hope not, though, no. It ain't nothing like that. Like, sacrifice bro to who? Nah, that's, it's not. Right.

Because if I had to die, it's like, you know what I can't say that. Okay, and let me know if I'm saying too much, but there was like a video that came out that basically said that the Nick situation happened with somebody that he used to be really close to at a certain point. You know anything about that? No, that's a cap. Okay. Yeah, that's cab, yeah. That's an example of people just thinking they know everything? Mm-hmm.

For sure. Long live Nick Blakey, though. Long live. Nick Blakey, you know, that's a sad one. Even like the, um, I want to address the, um, graveyard shit, that was not. bro graveyard, that was some clappy shit. Like, you went to somebody, random graveyard, you bugging. Right. You tweaking. That's another crazy, fucked up thing that all of a sudden is happening.

Bro, why would you go to a random graveyard just to do that? Just to do that, like, damn. That was stupid, bro. Yeah. I wasn't gangster at all. Like, none of the stepers don't think that was gangster, bro. Like, that was lame. Because I could just go to a random graveyard and go crazy, too.

Like, what's that going to do? Right. That ain't really. It sucks because it's like you wish that people would just have some kind of standard, some kind of line that they wouldn't cross. Nah, it's like you ain't cross a line. It's like, what the fuck are you doing in the grave? You're in a random graveyard? What the fuck is you doing?

Get from the people graveyard, you feel me? It's not really weird. We ain't do shit. That's what I'm saying. We're like, what the fuck are you doing? But then like, you know, like a few people that said this to you already, I guess. But like, you know, I think a lot of people really respected it when Pop died and you paid your respects and didn't have anything negative to say because, you know, it doesn't have to be that way. Just because you have issues with somebody when they're alive,

it doesn't mean that you have to fucking continue, like just disrespect them once they pass. I think everybody kind of saw that and was like, Tutu G's standing on some real shit right there. Like, that's really respectable. And like, like, I say that too, because Potsmo, he's younger than me and shit. So, like, I look at them as like little, little homies type shit.

Not necessarily little homies, but they're younger than me. Well, you've been rapping a lot. You've been in the spotlight a lot longer than poplots. I've been here for a while. Like this, I started the style. So when I see other niggas do it, I'm happy for niggas. Like, you feel me? It's just when the dissing and shit like that start coming along.

That's where the line get drawn, really, you feel me? I really don't be giving a fuck about none of that shit. That niggas go crazy, you heard? Right. Because one thing you can count... Don't diss me, though, because I got heatily out of me. I ain't going to my fault out of him, right? Don't diss me, though.

It's nothing personal. I got pain. I'll go back to the studio or drops in pain on you. I ain't playing, you heard. Right. Yeah, because is that part of the problem that as soon as you start saying, like, oh, I'm not dissing so-and-so, or I'm not going to do this. That motherfucker's taking it as weakness, and they want to make it worse.

Nah, I like that shit, though, when they take this shit as weakness, because it's like they all get the dissing, and they be like 10, 10 different hoods. Then I come back with that one smacker for everybody. Right. I always do, you feel me? See, you must know who's dissing you, like, even better than somebody like me, because you probably get to actually see the videos that got like 500 views that are trying to come at you and share.

And you're just like, what the fuck is this? That trick ain't going to work no more. Like the whole dish to get on that shit is track. You gotta, even if you do make the one smacker, you still gotta keep making more smackers after that. So it's like, you don't wanna come off in that lane. You don't want to, because if it gets too much numbers, I'm gonna dish you back and I might end your career,

you feel me? That's what I'm trying to say. So you don't wanna come off dissing like that because I'm gonna diss you back, seriously. That's how I'm rocking now. I ain't let nobody pass. Once your shit get a certain amount of numbers and I feel like I'm coming at your neck.

So just keep me out of day. I'm doing my own thing. I'm rapping. I'm bobbing. Definitely. Nice. I respect that. Yeah, okay. So at this point in your career,

do you feel like you're like a little bit more open to that kind of conflict because you don't live in New York though? Did it seem like more dangerous when you were still like living in that environment every day? No, no. I actually was more dangerous when I was out there. You feel me? But I just really vibed out. I'm chilling.

I'm really. chilling, you feel me? Definitely. I told you I was the last one to move from out there. Everybody else moved and shit. They was doing all that talking. That's why I don't be really trying to like, I'm really trying to make these bangings right now, you feel me? Yeah, because like a lot of people of kind of, you know, even people who were making music when you came out, even people who had waves and shit, you know, they kind of just gave up at a certain

point. I watched a lot of people. You see me, I'm the underdog of the city, you heard? Like, any young nigga who hot that come up, they try to compare them to me. But I watch a lot of them go up, drop. go up, drop. You feel me? And it's like, I laugh because they think this and me is going to keep them hot and it don't work because it's the music that matters, you feel me?

Music matters more than anything. Right. But, I mean, you probably recognize it, though, that you have a lot of fans who really, like, turn in for the beef-related shit. Yeah, you got to chill. And some of them... It's this real life, you heard.

Some of them don't stick around necessarily, like, to, like, when you're just dropping, like, regular music or whatever, like, you know. Is that... Oh, I get what you're saying now. Yeah. That's another thing, too. Like, y'all can't stick around for just the disc music only.

Like, when we drop that regular shit, we ain't really trying to do the dissing shit for our whole life. You feel me? Yeah, niggas ain't trying to do that. I don't really even really dissing it like that. Niggas really dis me. It's crazy because... So they keep my name in the pot.

It's like, there's really, like, fans who... I don't even think they're, like, fans of rap music so much, but they're fans of, like, gang warfare. So, like, if somebody comes out and makes a fucking song where they say GDK and the song, They have an audience for them right there of people who just want to see. Yeah, they already did. They want to see the diss and they want to see what happens afterwards.

Of course. Of course. And then this is weird like, yeah, everybody just got to chill with that type of GDK shit too. That shit lame. Because it's actually GD's who rappers now. So they fell away too. It's like the shit could start an all out war. Like who knows where the shit could go, bro.

You don't want this shit. Niggas ain't turn rappers to be beefing and shit like that. You feel me? So it's like, chill with all the dissing in the songs and shit. Yeah. Hell yeah. in the dad like that shit is crazy bro niggas be having brothers who

niggas be having uncles and shit y'all, like I gotta chill with that shit, that shit ain't really smart type of shit. That ain't street smart. Right. That's the type of shit having niggas parking at your crib for you type of shit. Yeah, because even like me as a grown ass man, I can't lie when I see that kind of shit, it does

make me like, I gotta pay attention because I'm like, yo man like real shit happens when you do that shit, you know? Never heard a nigga say yo if that was, I don't hear a lot of people say yo if that was my brother If that was my out, I would do. So it was like, you don't want to be the person who they talk about. So just chill, you feel me?

Definitely. I got to tell you that we actually lost out on an interview because of the fact that we are 22Gs fans. We had an interview booked with CJ. And then somebody on the social media team, they posted up. 221G's diss and CJ. They just posted about it because it's notable. It's news.

You know, we're paying attention. We were all talking about it in the group chat. So they posted it. CJ interview canceled. I didn't know that worked that way. I didn't know motherfuckers were that sensitive. Yeah, I don't know, man. I ain't have no parsing that, per se, and shit like that.

Right. I ain't trying to cancel nobody and nothing like that. Right. You would have done the interview if we had interviewed him. That wouldn't be reason to be like, nah, fuck no jumper now. Yeah, I ain't got nothing to do with what's going. That's what I'm saying. It ain't really not going on.

But I'm just saying, like, y' ain't got nothing to do with nothing. Like, you feel me? Facts. Nah, I don't really be on that. type of shit like yo if you do a song with him you fuck you not hell no that's lame shit that's like 12 grader shit these niggas is probably rapists you feel me these niggas probably rap and they probably like they music i can't stop them right they might double back two years later and like how my shit sound you feel okay but when it just crash out like that when you decided to

come at him what was the thought process like because you know you coming out a new artist kind of puts more light on that artist like but at a certain point you felt like you just needed to check him so so bad that you just had to do it yeah i checked him because really because he He really from like, if he say how he say he is, he know what's going on in the music loop. So if you really know what's going on in the music loop, then you know what's going on in New York City. If you say you from Staten Island and you know what was going on. Before you went to the studio and they whoopedo, you knew what was going on. You knew what you was thinking in your head.

That's why you used the beat you used and that's why you said this. That's why you said the Mata and shit like that that you said. So why not reach out? If you was definitely thinking about 22G's, the whole Brooklyn drill. I started. So it's like, you thought about me in the studio, but when you got on, you ain't think about niggas. Right.

That's lame. You already seen what niggas like, boy did, you feel me? Took niggas' whole style already, took the dance ran with it. You feel me? And you already seen with a whole bunch of other, you already seen what basically a lot of the young Brooklyn drill rappers did. And they're dissing niggas on top of that. So it's like, why would you come out your element from a whole other side of town to do that,

bro? And not show love. Like you were involved in some type of warfare, some shit. I felt like that song was such a... And it's gang related. Then when I'm trying to tap in, you ain't even tapped in. So I was like, you know, you might as well I just chilled out, you feel me?

I felt like that song... But it's all good, like, he'd do what he do, like, you for me? But that song was like a real, like, drill fan song. Niggas just be weird. He was just making like a... I ain't really mad. It's like, I can't be tight at niggas.

That's how it is. It's the streets. This is New York City. It's gritty in the city. But it's just like, you can't do that, bro. Because if everybody was to get on some straight out, ignorant shit, it's just everything to go left. It's crazy, though, because after that, his like next videos after that,

dropping the rakes, doing all this crazy-ass shit that we hadn't really seen before. And I'm like, bro, who told you to double down on this? I don't really like when they do that because I want you y'all to know I'm not the only, I'm not the only person that if you think you do is doing that for me. I ain't even saying I'm a part of nothing, but that, you just, you put yourself in a lot of things. I don't know if you want to do that. I ain't something you want to do it.

Because there's people who will shoot you that you have never. talk to that have never talked to anyone in New York, et cetera, that I don't know that you don't know that we don't shoot you for that in a bunch of different states. Yo, he's from my city, none of that, bro. So y'all just continue that lame shit if y'all want to. You feel me? We don't go out disinations and shit like that. You hear me on songs, I say names and shit like that.

You feel me? I don't diss nations and shit. That's kind of lame. And that's dangerous, you heard. That ain't street smart. If you're a step, you know that's stupid. Then you put yourself in videos. Nobody ain't going to miss you when they're spending.

They can't miss you when they're going to miss you. You just seeing you, you had $600K on YouTube, bro. Yeah. That had me worried. I was just like, bro, this is not a good idea. It's not long-term plan. I said somebody had that, but it's just like that's how it is. If you're going to be this and you can't be slipping, you feel me?

Definitely. Shit come with money, that whole shit. You got to have money to be doing shit like that. You can't be just outshad, just lacking, and you think you're going to be talking crazy about everybody dead homies and shit. Yeah. It's always a nigga that's tougher than you. You just know that always.

Yeah. That's a good lesson to learn at some point in your life. You're only 23. It's good that you know that already. Hell yeah. Definitely. You're having anybody, son. Who are you a bigger fan of these days? Maddie G's or Max the Demon? Come on, I'm rocking. I'm rocking.

You got that legendary Instagram live arguing about it. Max, real deal. You heard? Ain't no cabin his rap. You still fuck with him, though. He's hard. Max, hard. Max fire. He's the only white friend you got? What's the real friend you got? What's real shit when I think about it? Nah, but you know, you my dogs?

Adam Black on the load over. Nah, I ain't gonna lot or... I got a few white friends, but Max probably wanted to... Like, he's black. You heard, it's simple. Max is black. Yeah. Max cool, though, he evolves, I'll fuck with him.

Right. Respect for sure. Would you ever, would you ever do a celebrity boxing match? Uh, I gotta be paying me a lot of money. I don't really like that boxing shit too much. You're not fan all that? Nah, because it's like, unless we, like, we ain't get any of that. Like, if we in jail ain't no options, yeah, but why would I do that?

Stupid, yeah. But if the bread was right, you might think about it? Yeah, yeah, for the money, why not? They just fight for free. You see the option, you gotta fight anyway, so why not fight for money, you heard? Right. That's kind of a weird thing in rap though now

is like when people have problems with each other, a lot of times they'll be like, let's do a boxing match. If they give me a half a million, I'll fight you. You go go train with Floyd on you. But then it's like, okay, well, nobody's gonna give you a half a million,

so like you still, that's not a good excuse for most people. got to pay me a good bag, you heard. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very creative way of being a pussy these days. You're crazy. Yeah?

You take the rings off and shit. That's a bag, man. I got, y'all got to come correct. I want to get on some celebrity boxing match. But it depends, though. I really want to do a versus, though. That's what I'm really trying to get a versus going on. Somebody in the city.

Make it about the music? Yeah. Show them what's really going on because they ain't, they ain't hearings. I don't know what's going on. Like, they're starting to tap in though now. Like, the bias is starting to go away. I'm proud of the city.

about that. Mm-hmm. You think that you were viewed as too dangerous for a lot of people to fuck with at first? Hell yeah. Not on the Pied Morris. So you, like, that's kind of been a long-term goal though for you to sort of like get past that. Because, you know, in New York too, it's like the cops will really slow your shit up too. Like they, like, you know, I see it even with grown-ass rappers that are like gang related

that the cops in New York don't let them live. I never did a show. I did like two shows in my whole city. But since I've been signed, I never did a show. I did like one show since I've been signed in the whole city. Right, which would probably be the best show that you could do. It would be New York. You know, you could probably pack a venue, have a fire show in your hometown,

and they won't let you do it. And I ain't even locked up in like three years, God forbid, like in the city. It's not like they have me under, like, what the fuck? They ain't never let me rock up. But I got a show coming up, though. And I'm going to show them like it's going to go smooth. Everything going to go smooth. And it's going to be no problems.

And I've been telling them, you know, they just weird. I don't know. The cops, they just want us to be one way. I mean, going for it. We actually elevating this shit. You're headlining the show or it's somebody else's a show that you're on or something? I'm headlined in my tour. It's on my tour.

Oh, okay. It's on a tour. Yeah, hell, yeah. The tour-tort type of shit. Nice. Pops, they really be hating, though, in the city. They don't like when the young niggas rapping and get up out of here, but it's also because niggas do be kind of dissing this shit.

Yeah. Dissing the cops, dissing each other. Yeah, I mean, you can't blame the cops for being concerned, but at the same time, yeah, I mean, just not even letting somebody play a show in their hometown. I mean, that's just whack. Yeah, I'm trying to show these people why ain't that no more. I'm this. Definitely.

So you were always like a real talented dancer even when you were young? Because I was watching the blicky twirl tutorial last night. I wasn't even on no dancing shit. I used to just really flick the hat up to my hair. You feel me? Yeah, type of, you feel me? Get light shit. Is that where the hat thing that you were just showing us?

Yeah, that's really what all it was. Like, it's niggas who only got light on the train, never went to battles and shit. I was one of those niggas. Like, I never were battling shit. I'll be on that train getting life for money, you feel me? For surely, hell yeah. Right. You part of, like, a crew doing it, or you just kind of pop up with, like, one homie and do it?

Yeah, I was part of a crew. I wasn't too deep in the crew because I was still, I was mad young. I ain't going to lie, I was man young. Man young. But how much money would you make doing that? Back then, 200 cash for a nigga like me. As a young nigga, that's a cash out of me. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you feel me? You could get a 40-hour-week job and make, like, 300 bucks. I mean, $300? $200 cash. I get my new pair of kicks type shit, you know? Hell yeah, it'll be vops. $200, cash, get you a longer. I wasn't smoking weed, though. So I had money.

I played ball or too, heavy on basketball. That'll make the money go away real quick. What's that? The weed. The weed. The weed don't burn the money up. It was over. Yeah, that's a good point.

I tell people that sometimes. I'm like, yeah. Mama love money. Don't cut it no more. You don't need to be smoking weed unless you, like, made something out of yourself in life to a certain extent because that shit will fucking drain your paycheck real quick. Right now.

I feel sorry for the young niggas now. Yeah. Wow, the prices are crazier. You got a, yo, we never even thought about that. Imagine being, imagine growing up right now, you just started smoking wheat. Eighth is $75, you heard. Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't know, none about that.

Back when we started smoking weed at eighth was 25, so you got 50 cash you was in the game. Now if you get 50 cash, you got to get blockwork. Facts. It's really like that? You pay 75 for an 8th on the street? Oh, here you pay 75 out of a dispensary. I'm 75, but I'm just saying, like, it was like that it's now like, we're getting active now. Shit, 60 again, 65 again.

But what, three, four months ago, shit was 75 cash. Damn. With some good runs. For me? Facts. That's bananas. Hell yeah. What type of bud you like, though?

Shit. I don't know. This is that dark, dark indicators. I just got this. Give me a weed review. Say that. This looks like block work, bro. You never smoke, you never smoke, you never smoke, so you only smoke the,

the papers smell good though now we don't smoke the backwoods well not me niggas smoke backwards though hell yeah i'm gonna start getting in two with it though because they'll be looking cool in the music video you never smoke a swisher um swishers yeah i tried them shit but i don't smoke them shes my new york time of my life we're smoking nothing but swishers and duchess we're smoking that gumbo though we have you on the gumbo oh yeah got some gumbo on me see that's one thing i'm lacking with i never have the cool weed packages see the motherfuckers with these cool holographic packages that's that gas right there yeah let's yeah yeah yeah We smoke a lot of that shit.

Oof, ooh, yeah, see, this is loud. This is louder than my weed. Black boy, especially like Blackboy. Looking at him side by side, I definitely feel. New Jack City, Blackboy. That's the type of shit we smoke. Okay. Respect. Got the QR code on and everything.

Mm-hmm. So, okay, I've seen you have a song with Jackboy. You're still tied with Jack Boy, even though him and Kodak going through it? Ain't got nothing to do with that. They're brothers, for me? Okay. Nothing to do with that. It's family shit.

me yeah because if me and my brother were fighting and the nigger get involved he gonna turn on him do you don't think kodak gonna feel a certain way about you doing music with jack boy or i guess the song was probably before they had issues maybe i don't know bro i don't i doubt it though like have you been to miami and kicked through with yak since he got home uh not necessarily to miami but he pulled up on me in an a i've been down there though to florida and shit tapped there for no we got some new shit coming too nice that's my son yak yak a good one son yeah yeah I fuck with yack. That's a fact.

When I was a young nigga, he had nothing, yak tapped in with me, you feel me? Co-sounding, you know me? That was big for the- Shout out Atlantic Records too. I'm really signed to Atlantic Records too. Okay. Makes sense. So, okay, what are you thinking about in terms of like where you're trying to take your career now?

You got a project that you're working on coming out soon? Yeah, I got another tape coming soon, matter of fact. I got another tape coming, so I ain't even got the name in it, but I got some pain in the cut. Oh, what? Shout out the money man on LLC too. with LLC, too, so fuck with you. For sure. Yeah, you got, like, any plans?

Like, I mean, that's kind of, like, one thing that I feel like is, like, a challenge for rappers is that they keep having to, like, switch their style up and stuff. I'm, like, when I was listening to your new music last night and stuff, I was like, oh, man, this sounds, like, fresh. Like, you're really getting on, like, exciting beats, like, new flows. Like, you know, like, it would be so easy for you to just keep making music that sounds exactly like the shit that you made early in your career. I think that the new shit is super hard personally.

Yeah, it's kind of like just upgrading the sound type of shit. Like, I'm just upgrading it a little bit more. I'm seeing more, so I got more to talk about type of shit. Definitely. When you're in the trenches ain't nothing really to talk about type of shit. It's just obvious, active. Yeah, type shit. You ever feel like you might lose some of that influence, though,

if you're just living in, like, a quiet-ass area and stuff that you... Yeah, hell, yeah. That's why you got to always tap in. But don't do too much tapping in because technically he's on the wrong path, you feel? Yeah. Like if you were in a shootout yesterday and then you get in the studio, I mean, you probably shouldn't rap about it, but you definitely got something to rap about. Definitely, but you got to also have code switch. Like, you can't just be not all day with that shit. Like, my boy, daughter's shit. Not all day, you heard. Definitely. You got to have code switch with that. You got to know. You got to. I know exactly when it drops some drill shit, when it drops some party shit type shit.

Definitely. Is that, you know your shit? Would it be a goal for you in the long term to, like, not feel like you had to make street music or not talk about, or not talk about. sort of like drill related shit. Oh, now, this is what I like to do, though. I'm the Brooklyn Drill Pioneer, you heard? But I just wish it wasn't so, like, how it is. Mm-hmm. Meaning, like, it's blown out and, like, everybody's on it,

or that it's just too crazy. Yeah, niggas is kind of sounding too much alike, like, you feel me? Too much now, it's like a little too much now, you heard? But, like, all of me, people of this shit got their own sound, though. That's what I like, you feel me? I'm asking for the young bulls coming up.

Y'all can't just straight go. steal an old old cat style like i can't do that you gotta switch it up a little bit you feel me that's the fact people on the yaw can have something to do so we could keep this shit going you ever watch some still in each other shit it's like you ever watch someone's music video and like your jaw just kind of drops because you felt like they took your style so much i'm sure that's happened a few times a lot of times i ain't gonna say nothing but we know you just it's like it is what it is my way pains of being an innovator yeah you feel me that's real. I ain't no hate. I want all of y'all to get on from this shit. I told you. I mean,

I'm at a good place. I'm at a good space. You know me? So I ain't, it's not like I ain't making no money off this shit or none of that. You feel me? I'm sanctioned. I'm good. Definitely. You're fun on the auto tune now too, huh? I'm trying to. That's next. You heard? Because that's what the Trees like. So, you feel me? I need a female fan base. You know what I'm So I got a tap man with the auto tune probably. And just more party music and shit like that, more vibes to the music. That's gun sounds and shit. There was like a whole story that came out basically saying that like a bunch of people associated with you got caught up recently.

Big ass indictment came down or something. I've seen them saying some shit like that on YouTube or some shit. They just made it seem like it was all one like, nah, nah, it wasn't a crazy shit like that. It wasn't as directly tied to shit as they made sound. made it sound like, nah, hell, no, y'all bugging. I ain't gonna lie, I'm about to hire a lawyer because it's like that's antagonizing, I feel like to me, you feel me?

Interesting. Yeah, like, they're wild, son. Especially when they're using your name. Because I see videos, what the fuck, yeah. Like, I've seen videos that made me think like, oh, two, two, geez got caught up. And then I realized, like, oh, you apparently didn't have anything to do with this. That's why I'm starting to think, like,

this shit would just be like a big trap, like, sometimes, like, I don't know. I could feel. But all right. So anything you want to tell people to look out for? Anything we got to keep in mind? I want to kill that fly. I got some new shit coming soon. Stepers out now. Step we're going to step. Get stepped on. Me and yak, about to drop some shit. Shout out the money man. Stay tuned. Young blue, shout out the young blue. Shout out to Asian. You been doing music with him? Young Blue. Me and Young Blue got one in the cut. You feel me? Shout out the Asian door. Me and her got one in the cut too. Nice.

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