No Jumper - The 2Rare Interview: Philadelphia, Lil Durk Co-Sign, Drake Putting Him in a Video & More

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

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No jumper. Coolest podcasts in the world. Very, very excited to have some exciting new talent. I said exciting twice. That might not be great. But I got some exciting news. We got too rare on the podcast. How you feeling, man? You're a legend because you're the first interview that we've actually done on this set. It's crazy. You're making history already doing. That's what I'm saying, man. That's a big deal. It's just kind of worked out that way. But I feel like it's a sign. Everything had with full reason for sure.

It's a big sign of things to come. How you doing? What brings you out to California? Music video, little label stuff for a firm. Just collabing and the photo shoots and all that, trying to get this merch stuff. Okay. Just doing all the business in general. You already signed? So I don't want to announce that.

I don't want to announce that yet. So you're trying to keep a low key? Yeah. Trying to keep a little key because, you know, the organic thing. You feel me? I need that. People support you different when they find out the label behind you. You think that's the case?

Yeah, I feel like that. Really? Yeah. I still want my fans to feel like, you know, I'm still that same too rare. I don't want them to feel like rare changing. That's interesting because I feel like a lot of kids these days, like when I was a kid, if you did a Coca-Cola commercial or some shit, like they would be hating on you really hard. Now I feel like the stigma of doing some corporate shit is not as strong.

Right. Like people still, they understand. You know, hey, you want to get big? It's about getting big. It's about getting successful. But do you feel like your fans want to see you win? Do you think they want the best for you ultimately? Yeah, you want to see one.

Hell, yeah. Like, everything you see, like, if he only go on the blogs and all, they go crazy about. So. Right. That makes sense. Yeah, they want to see me one for sure, for sure. Right, definitely.

What did you say? Okay, well, you're going to really fuck me up if you're doing that shit, Josh. I don't care. That's going to completely fuck me up. Don't do that again. I mean, just please don't ever fucking do that again because that's just crazy. All right. I'm going to try to get back in the groove here.

Just like, you can't make a motion at me. You can't just do anything else besides fucking talking to the mic. Okay, sorry. Okay, so you're coming from Philly? Tell me a little bit about what kind of area you were brought in, what it was like. I'm a part of the area where it's like, you know, this trencher. It go down. But if you choose your lane, you know, it's like, it's still like, you know, like, it's

still like regular shit. Like, you feel me? Like, it go down. But if you out the way, you're going to be safe. But if you, you dissing and your music, whatever, you might get left out here, like, you feel me? So did you see that from early on in terms of just seeing people getting caught up and beefing and shit?

Yeah, hell yeah. But me, I used to play football. So, you know, like, I was never, like, caught up into the street stuff. That was like, all like, my uncles and, you know. But I stayed out the way I used to play football. I really started creating three years ago. Right. So I got it to the music stuff.

Was football keeping your head on straight for all those years? Because it's so much work and it's so taxing that it kind of forces you to like focus and not be able to get into too much other fuck shit, right? I don't know it was, but then again, it started getting tricky. Like once it started getting serious, like 11 for 12, 3 a year, like that's when they're like, really get real. Right. Yeah.

Do you feel like you could have gone the whole way with it? You think you could have gone playing college, maybe NFL? Hell yeah, bro. That's it. Yeah, hell yeah. What took you away from it? Coming out here, I had an old homie that used to rap and stuff. It was going down in the neighborhood because his stuff, like, his bus was really like picking

up for a real for a war zone was going down. So my own big bro, my old hit, he got killed in front of the high school. Oh, what? He got kicked in front of the high school. That just kind of like, him. He's like, damn, like, you know, I go to the zone. He might try to do something. something to me, you feel me, because I'm associated with my homie.

So with that being said, I always, you feel, him, he supported him. So when he had, like, label deals and all that on the table, he came out here. When he came out here, I had slid winning. I thought I had stuff on smashing school. People signed to me in classes and all that type of stuff. Females going all that stuff. And this dude that you were rolling with, we don't, he's not like famous enough that we would know him as somebody else?

No, no, no, no, y'all wouldn't know. Or you just try to be low key about it. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be low key about it. Okay. But no, like me supporting that, nigga, like, really like, you know. But when I came back, they told me, yeah, rare, da-da-da-da, you can't go here no more. You gotta go to disciplinary school. You gotta finish high school there.

You got to reclassify. Like, I was ranked number ninth, you feel me, at why I received my tour year, you feel me? But I didn't play my 12th grade year because I started doing music once through the little, you feel me, like the depression stuff. stuff because of the football stuff. But the high school that I went to, I ain't gonna lie, they wasn't really get that many looks.

So I straight, child come out here and really like, try to get some looks. But when I peep, ain't nobody enrolled me in high school, nothing out here. I'm like, man, I'm sliding back to the city. Right. So when I slid back, that's what it was. And I just started doing music. Right. What made you even get into the music shit in the first place?

So what made you feel like you had some talent? Me helping everybody they used to rap around me like, yo, bro, punch that and say this hard. I do this, you got to do that. Right. I know I could write my own stuff. Were you rapping in more of a traditional style early on because I'm going to be real with you like listening to your music, I'm like, yo, this dude is taking mad wrists.

He's doing a lot of interesting flows and different beats and shit like that. I was really impressed honestly last night when I was getting deeper into it. I'm like, this is not a dude who's scared to do something different. Hell no. That's why I think I'm too rare. That's what really separates me from everybody else. He tried to put on this persona, try to do the drill stuff all day, every day. Like, no, I'm trying to bring back that fun music.

Right. You feel me? But so early on, if you had to compare yourself to somebody, what your music kind of sounded like or whatever, what direction were you going in the beginning? In the beginning, I can't really, I can't really compare myself to nobody because I kept trying to find my, you feel me, I kept trying to find my wave. Like, I kept switching it up. I was doing drill stuff.

I was doing regular, you feel me? Like uptempo, out here type beats. Like I forgot what they call it out here, but it's like the Roddy Rich and the DJ Muster type way. I forgot what they call it. Like I forgot, but it's like that bounce music. You feel like me? I kept switching it up.

I made a song called Big Triple Big Big Big Big Big Big. They both sound different. A song called No Brother D'Love. It sound different. Grubh sound different. Miami sound different. Cupid sound different. So are you somebody who was working for a long time on each individual song?

You just get in the studio and go crazy. I just get in the studio. I just go crazy. Okay. But do you feel like you have to have a different kind of vision for each song or do you make a bunch of songs that maybe sounds sort of similar and then you just decide which ones you want to release? Oh, different visions.

Really? Because it'd be different outcomes every time different fans come through. Right. So. How long you feel like it took you before people started to fuck with the music though and people started to kind of understand what you're going for? Yeah. Take that long, bro.

I signed my first deal after my fourth song, bro. Right. So fourth song. Four song. Wow. And how are you even getting attention or how much attention were you getting at that point? Twitter, YouTube ads. Really?

That's how I was really getting attention. So you decided to like invest into the YouTube ads from the beginning to start getting it out there more? Yeah, in the beginning, yeah, for sure. All that stuff don't be like working no more. Really? Yeah, that's what is. That's how I really built my fan.

But if you're on zero, you feel like that that shit really helps. Like if you're really just getting started like kind of where you're at now, It might be a very different decision because you're already kind of established. Yeah, hell yeah. But like, back then it was like I had something different coming to the city. Right. Everybody doing the same type of videos on the corner. I came up with like a crazy concept being like an old man.

You feel like me? Like it was a song called Big Bells dressed as an old man, money suit on a block with my friends. You feel me? I put a whole concept together. And then we got the ads on there and it shocked the whole city like, hell, that's right. city like, hell, that's rare, you know what I mean? That's how they really like have. Yeah, because I mean, how would you compare Philly's music scene?

Because I mean, it feels like there's a lot of other cities. Like what I think about the history of Philly, a lot of legendary artists out of Philly. But sometimes when I think about right now, it's not like a huge flood of artists. I feel like like it's kind of like some open space for somebody like you. We coming. I mean, we coming. I ain't allowed. Me doing this shit that I'm doing is really making the whole spotlight shine on this

city, like everybody else signed a deal is because of me type shit. The way we started on TikTok, the dances we created, all types of shit. Right. And the TikTok shit, does that just come naturally to you? Like in terms of the- It just started, bro, I got active on TikTok January 12th. Really? Hell yeah.

That shit changed my life. You think that's like the primary place that the song blew up? It was, because that's how the song really took globally. Really? You feel me? Right. to it, right? More than that.

That shit would have hit almost a million, but people was taking down the sounds. Oh, really? There was somebody that created like another Cupid version but on some drill shit. But me being me, I went up to him, like, yo, bro, you feel me? We did the same beat, that around, trying to negotiate it with him. They took that as though, like, we about to take this nigger off the art. You feel me? Like, my shit was going and they shit wasn't.

So he started taking TikTok sounds out. I was going through the process from Cupid. bro. Wow. That shit damn near me, labels turn their heads, but we got that shit right. Man, they love TikTok. It's the craziest exposure machine. Craziest, bro. If you could pull it off, you could take a song from zero to fucking a million, no problem, off TikTok, right? Mm-hmm. What made you want to go in a more melodic direction as opposed to like you were saying before? A lot of people, you know, probably a lot of your peers and a lot of people that you know and stuff, They've clearly kind of chosen the drill direction.

Do you feel like that's like a not you personality-wise? Or is that just something that you think is kind of played out? I got history on that shit, but I know what sells. Commercial music. You feel, me. Pop Star, cell. Moneyshuffog, that dance sell. Like, that shit, it ain't no silence to that.

Right. You know, I'm just bringing a whole different energy trying to keep my image clean so I can get on commercials. And like you said, the Coca-Cola shit. Like, I'm trying to do everything I can, bro. So that's why I even like make the melodic music I do. Because it's kind of like, I'm sure you've seen it over and over where it's kind of easy to come out and get like a couple hundred thousand views or a million

views off of just straight dissing some guy who's down the street and saying crazy shit. That stuff leads you to a whole different direction and it gets you killed too. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like it has a short amount of attention that it could get. You know, it's like a, there's a ceiling on it. Mm-hmm. And it's especially like just having to deal with, you know, people looking at you a different way and everything like that.

Like you would much rather get famous from doing something that is more artistic. So you don't necessarily always have to have this violence attached to it, right? Like, people love me for me. Like, we're funny, we're doing this. I'm doing the dances on. They love that shit. Like, they love that shit, bro. Right. Where'd the name come from? Me's just being different, but I wore like number two playing football. Okay. So one day, I think it was a couple people that was like coming up to me, like, oh,

bro, you really be on some different shit like, because I used to be changing up the shoelaces, all types of shit, like even on football, I used to rock like tied out clothes underneath my whole wear, trying to be different than the whole team type of shit, trying to stand out. But I had searched it up, like, what is like a meaning of different, like, I never wear for different? And I came up where I think it was diverse and it was rare. I'm like, let me add a number two in there like, two pop, like you gotta be catching,

you feel me? First, I was seeing too rare. Then I'm like, no, I'm just be too rare. Right. So then I ran with that shit. No, definitely. But when you look at that younger version of yourself, do you feel like you always knew that you were meant to be different or you were meant to be somebody?

Yeah. You always got that feeling? Yeah, because I never smoked. I never like, you feel like me? I was always different. Like my homie's and child influence me. I'm like, no, bro. I'm cool.

Really? You always knew that? Yeah. I never wanted to be like, every time I seen somebody do something, I don't want to be like, you niggas. Like, you feel me? That's cool to hear, though, honestly, because a lot of people, I feel like they're doing drugs because they're trying to seem different from everybody else.

They feel like this is the thing that's going to make them seem cool and sexy. Like they got this dangerous-ass lifestyle or whatever. No, real shit, though. People don't know. That's how he really separates yourself. Like, females like that. Everybody liked that shit. Like, see somebody different, doing some different shit.

And my thing is that, especially if you're a young rapper, you only got so much energy, right? Right. I feel like when I see, I've seen a lot of things. rappers who had a lot of energy and then they start doing the Zans and the lean and everything and it just turns them into a shell or what they used to be. And especially in these day of age, we're talking about TikTok. All right. I mean, you can't be doing the fucking crazy TikTok dances if you really are off the lean that hard.

No, no cat, though. There's some people that be trying to adapt to him be trying to do it, like, they see our wave and see everybody else like picking up shit. So there's some people that be trying, but I'm like, no, that shit don't even look right some time. Right, definitely. Did you feel like there was something special about Cupid when you made that one? Was there something about that that let you know that like this might be the one?

Not at first because I did it. I had left like an open on it. I recorded like two songs before that. I left like an open on it and I had uploaded it to TikTok just to like, you know, like just to test it. Oh, so you're feeling out the reaction. Yeah, I was feeling out the reactions and I had posted like, I think I posted some like, yeah, we had a hundred videos right now.

get this to 500 they got that shit to 500 quick your shit once they got it to 500 some Chicago niggas made like the challenge to it once they made the challenge to it went from 500 to thousands of thousand to 2000 I just watching it shoot up like what was the challenge like a dance is like a dance okay well you know so you didn't come up with the dance they sort of pioneered the dance yeah they did the dance and now you fuck with the dance yeah hell yeah I had to learn that shit damn that's crazy sure I'm a artist I'm going to dance anyway. So once I've seen that, I'm like, I got to learn this shit. You feel? We do it in the video.

Right. I definitely showed them love. Like, a lot of people don't be showing the people who popped off these shit in a lot. I showed them love. Like, brought them out to this little TV, join I did. Like, I was trying to put them in a video, but timing. Yeah. No, that's dope, though, because you hear a lot of shit about that, about people taking credit for each other's dances and shit. And it's actually, I've seen it a lot where you'll have, like, a famous-ass white TikToker, and they'll be doing a dance that a young white girl came up with and they'll actually credit them in the description.

Right. Because so many times I've seen people getting attacked for not crediting them. Right. That now they feel like they got to show love, which is still better. You know, they're bads you for that on TikTok. Yeah. Like, you don't even attack such a such thing. You mean you do that, right?

Right. Yeah. That's the real. Damn. That's crazy. Okay. So have you had a lot of artists tap in with you? Like, I feel like being that you're from the East Coast and everything, there's got to be a lot of

people who are kind of seeing what you're doing and they want to take part. A lot of artists tap them. A lot of them. Really? Yeah. Like, like, walk-of-flogging even tapped on me. He was like, yo, don't be, like, basically, like, don't be flabbergasted by these artists because you would be a heart to a lot of these new niggas career, like, or old niggas

careers, you feelin' me? Like, so he was like, bro, just keep doing what you doing and putting it out there. But that's different people that hit me up for sure, for sure. That's dope because Waka has seen that shit too because he was the hot new kid that everybody was fucking with early on and he probably saw so many established artists kind of trying to come in take some of the sauce and run off. And, you know, when you are that young artist, you're looking at these guys. These are your favorite rappers.

You're like, oh, fuck yeah. I'll do whatever with you. But that could cause you to make some poor decisions if you're just sort of being a fan when all of a sudden the reality is that you might be hotter than them right now, at least musically, you know? Right. Yeah. And I know that too.

So I don't be trying to burn myself out with the features. I'd be trying to stay super exclusive, bro. Yeah. Like, I'm going to fuck with y'all names. We don't got to create no music, girl, for, like, you know what? Like, ain't nothing beneficial for me. Right. You feel me?

We both not smoking. You had away two, three years ago. I've been in that position where I had an artist I was friends with and all of a sudden so-and-so is trying to tap in with them to work together. I'm like, this is a big time in your career. Right. You got to know your value. And you got to realize that yes, maybe this person is a legend, but realistically, you

working with them is going to do so much more for them right now than it's going to do for you. Yeah, I understand that though. Yeah, definitely. But then you went, and in terms of the feature on Cupid, you went and got like basically the number one rapper. Well, Dirk. It's crazy.

Dirk hit me up. Oh, he hit you up first. Yeah, he hit me up. How'd that go? He hit me up. He was like, yo, he'll send me a line like two, three months ago. Way before the Drake, Sticky shit and all. and all that happened.

Like, he hit me up first. Like, yo, I'm trying to put you on my deluxe. Right. He was trying to put me on that 72020 deluxe. He was like, I'm trying to fuck him up. Wow. And he like, yo, Brodsky sent me like two to three opens. I sent them Cupid.

I sent them a song call out of me. And it was another unreleased joint that I got. But he was like, he talked to the owner of his label. We were like, they ain't gonna be able to clear it on time. Uh-huh. So after that, for a furrow, I seen him at Summer Jam. We were talking every day. I had seen him at Summer Jam and shit.

I'm gonna tell you this shit. This shit is like a crazy story, bro. I'm backstage and shit, mind you. My manager and two other people, like Sophie and Reds Rock, they had their own regular passes. They gave me the one like VIP pass. I'm back there by myself. Everybody with their camps and all, like all the superstars walking past and shit. Kind of overwhelming, right?

Yeah, I'm like, damn, how fuck I'm out there? You know? Yeah. So, bang, I heard somebody say like, yo, I think dirt back here, dirt back, blah, da-da-da. I was talking to him like the day before. before that, for I called, I'm like, yo, Bruce, you back there? It was like, yeah.

I'm like, where you at? He was like, I don't even know. I flipped my camera and shit on the front of the trailer, it said, little dirt. He's like, oh, shit, you right there, you feel me, let him on the bus. I got on the little trailer, John, a nigga, kind of like 400,000 in my face,

like, yo, what's, what's, you good, da-da-da-da-da. He's busting it up. And he, like, really, like, telling me, like, how he heard my shit, like, from his kids. Wow. So he heard it from his kids and shit. So, that being said, that couple days later, he was like, yeah, bro, we gotta just build a relationship for

or, like, for real, for, for, like, I don't know why. Me, you feel we out of all people, but he really fucked with me, you feel me? That's dope. So, bang, I had texting, like, like, yo, bro, like, how much you want to hop on this shit? I need you on, Cuban, remix. I only want nobody else on it no more, you feel on me? Like, I had thoughts on other people, but I'm like, Bruceky, I'd be the one that

has stamped this shit right now. Right. So I hit him up, he had me back to later on, but he called me. He had his daughter on the call. And he was like, yo, put your face in the camera and shit. Like, she don't believe that I know what you is type of shit. Show my face, his daughter starts smiling and shit. And he was like, yeah, bro, she what you on though?

I ain't know shit. And I asked you, again like, yo, bro, I'm going to get on this joint. He was like, I don't send me that shit over again, you feel me? I'm in the lab right now. Sent that shit over, like, the next hour, bro, it's up. He was like, just make sure this the verse that that's going to change your life type shit. Like, that's what he texts me.

Wow. After that, bro, I'm like, yeah, bro, this shit, I ran that shit back. I was getting tatted too. I was getting tatted and pain and shit trying to play that shit right that shit back. I'm like, dog, yeah, this one of the one. That's pretty crazy though, because Dirk is in a position where he really don't have to put on new artists right now. That's what I'm saying. But the fact that he still has his ear to the streets or even just listening to his kids, that kind of goes a long way too.

That shows that he's really tapped in with what's going on. Oh, facts. That shit was love. Damn, that's dope. That must have been pretty overwhelming. It's funny too because, like, we're talking about the deluxe. album and everything. He's kind of, I appreciated how he was very open and honest about how he felt like at a certain point he wasn't spending enough time with his kids and being on the

road, doing the music, because I deal with that every day. Just having to leave your kids to go to work for eight hours. It could be tough. Yeah, artist for real. You ain't got no kids? No. You're working on any? Fuck, no. You think you're going to wait a while? Hell yeah.

Yeah. You should probably focus on the music for sure. I got to get on first. I don't need. Not in distracting. Right. How the girl's treating you since you kind of blew up? They go crazy. It's a lot different. Hell yeah. Is that kind of tough, though?

In terms of who you want to let in? It's tough ducking and dodging, like, for real, for real, bro. They'd be all in the damn going crazy. Right. But I know none of that stuff is really, like, genuine. Yeah. It'll be beneficial, so I don't be going crazy. Like, a couple years ago, I would have probably went crazy.

But now it was like. Right. No. But, okay, if a girl dissed you when you were 18, Is there part of you now that is like, I'm back. You want me now. And I'm going to do it because I'm going to make this high school senior version of myself proud. All right.

I hit a lot of the ones that I wanted to hit for her. Right. So, but that should just be at me smiling like, yo, this bitch really like, damn. Yeah. You feel me? But you got to appreciate that now because, I mean, once you're in the club every night with dark and shit, you're going to all of a sudden have a very different perspective on women and the girls. girls you went to high school with are not going to really maybe be looking like they used to to to you.

Fuck, no. They don't. They all be getting big-y-shut and all. Like, they don't look the same. It only takes a year or two out of high school usually for girls to start really packing some meat on. That's true. I'll witness that a few times. Don't look the same.

What is that? What happened to you? Real shit. It's fucked up too, though, because, I mean, when I was in high school, they got the worst food possible. Like, why you go to college? And you just got to start. I don't know, maybe it's the alcohol too. Half a time, they don't be going to college, bro.

That should just be some after school shit. I don't know, like, they hit that button. They get biggest shit. No, it's like harder to gain weight during puberty because your body's like got so many hormones pumping. And then that starts to wear off, but people still are eating whatever the fuck they want. All of a sudden, you got a freshman 20 packed on.

So you don't drink or smoke. I be drinking a little bit. I drink a little. I drink a little bit, like occasionally. Right. Well, one, two shots, I'm done. Sophie laugh because, you know, I'm shocked. You've seen it?

You've seen him falling over? Oh. Okay. Twist it. Let's talk about Drake. How did this happen? He followed me on a gram. Okay.

After he followed me on a grandma straight hopped in his DM. Yo, broskey, I appreciate you. La-da-da-da. You hopped on a wave, like, showing him love. Right. Everybody else was, like, bashing him. Like, yo, he's taking fully with. and taking this, but I'm like, nah, I know, you feel me?

I hit him up, like, gaining respect, like, a proper way because he really, like, making it globally. But so what was the song that they felt like? Sticky. So they felt like sticky was sounding too much like your shit? Not like my shit, but our whole way, like the tight beats we was doing. Right. But.

Did you feel that way when you heard it, or did you just start seeing people say it? And then you were like, oh, okay. I felt that way, but I'm like, you feel on me? This is what we need. Right. You feel me? I ain't hate on it. I love that shit. Right.

You know what we need. Exactly what we need to make this shit really stick. Sticky. Yeah. You feel what I'm gonna hit him up. He's like, yo, we gotta do something for this sticky video. Right. Like, perfect.

I had sent you my number and all that. We got on FaceTime. I think again, his hair braided in the street. Like, you know, I'm trying to fly you on the bros. I'll keep you on the river and all that, like four to six of the bros just choose them. Like everybody that represents you. Uh-huh. I chose my homies.

We hopped on the fight. That was all our separate tellies. You feel me, he had shot the video the same night. Right. Shit was crazy. What was it like being around all that energy in terms of somebody who's allegedly a billionaire, you know, just doing things on a totally different level than every other rapper? I knew that shit was right.

He walked me right down and with Kiki on the river. He walked me right down. Gave me a handshake. The shit started going viral. I knew it was once that shit went viral and all that, like quick. That's one viral because I think a girl was trying to give him a handshake while he was handshaking me and somebody else. Oh, right, yeah.

And it kind of like missed him, like, or he ain't, you know. He didn't even see it. He didn't see it. That was you in that clip. Yeah. Oh, okay. So, you know, that's how that shit. I'm like, damn, that's crazy.

This nigga really go viral for anything you do. But that's funny, too, that people have a hard time believing that, like, I mean, you're Drake. You can afford to ignore some pretty girls. It's no big deal. Drake, like, one of the ones, too, that still hit me up, like, after that, like, hit me up the other day, like, you know. There's something going breezy.

Right. So, like being in that environment and just seeing the scale of which like a Drake video takes place though, is that very motivational for you to realize like this is what awaits at the top? This level of spending and budget and just excellence. Yeah, it gave me a lot of motivation. That's what you want to keep going. Like, I'm trying, you know, take it worldwide for sure. Right. People think I got it worldwide now, but I know when I'm going to get this.

you from me i know what i'm there like right in there yet i'm hungry shit it's interesting because like we've been having the conversation a bunch lately about how i kind of feel like rap music is sort of at a low point in its history and not in its entire history but it feels like maybe you know 17 2017 2018 etc that there was like a lot of energy and rap and then maybe the last year or so it slowed down a little bit like you couldn't name that many rappers who came out this year that are like really big that are really doing shit like there are a lot of little underground things going on but it kind of feels like the public maybe is not as excited about finding new rappers and so that's why I think a lot of the attention is going to people

like you who are doing new sounds and I think that that's why Drake who's a fucking genius I think that that's why he put out that album is because he realized that the world wants something new right and nobody really knows what it is right now but the world needs different energy right now It's the shit we bring for sure. That shit taking over TikTok. Like, all down your 4-U page, you're going to see people either doing the hips, doing our dances,

or listen to our songs or our tight beats. Right. That shit took, and he's smart as shit. Because the game always gets, like, super violent and gangster, and then it'll get a little bit more, like, fun and playful, and then it'll get gangster again, and then it'll get playful again.

There's always, like, these couple-year patterns. Right. And I feel like, yeah, your shit and the fact that people are excited about it definitely represents that. But like, oh, people want to hear good music and they don't, they maybe not aren't as necessarily obsessed with just hearing about street shit. I know, I know it's real, like, people be hitting me out. You know, bro, you give me out of my depression, bro.

When I'm sad, I listen to your shit. Like, they really like, text me about that shit. I just reposted somebody. I didn't even know I made a nigga date, but he posted it. I had one of my tags and I seen that shit. I'm like, damn. This nigga party. Well, he was going through something when he ran into me.

Like, yeah. Yeah. That's even me and even more, like, send me paragraphs and shit. But yeah, I got that effect right now. Yeah. So what do you wake up motivated to do every day? Because it's like every day the world is your oyster. Like you can do whatever you want.

Any day you could work, you could shoot a new video, you can work on this, you could be in the studio, you could travel, you could do interviews, do press. Like what is the stuff that stands out to you the most that's like a good use of your time? Every day I wake up, I just be trying to check off some new shit. Like right now, it's the mur. the merch trying to get this website up. So when I dropped, this shit will be underneath the Me and Dirt video. Oh, yeah. She could go brazy.

So you already shot the video? Yeah, that shit done. That shit dropped tomorrow. Tomorrow? Yeah. Oh, fuck, we gotta get this out soon. Yeah, that shit dropped tomorrow at 11 a. Wow, that's fire.

Yeah. What was it like shooting the video with Dirk? How was it? She was crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that shit was crazy. I ain't gonna lie, that nigga had fun. We got him out of his character.

Really? You got him dancing and shit? Yeah. He having fun and shit in this, John. I think it's going to go crazy because he, like, really, like, you know? Yeah. People used to that other dirt. But what would you say to people who think that if you want to be tough,

you want to be a gangster-ass rapper or whatever, you can't be doing the dancing and the TikToks? Do you see that as a contradiction at all? Or to you, is that just some bogus-ass old-school mentality? If you're going to be a drill rapper or whatever, bro, just standing on that shit. But they'd be dancing, too. They'd be doing the little foot in front of the other foot thing. Yeah, you just got stand on that shit the consequences, the shit that's going to come

with that, the heated bring, like just move right. Right. Feel me? Like, because when this shit hit, like this shit hit once you're gone, you never coming back, you feel me? Like, hopefully your name still be allowed type shit. So that's my words, for real, for real, bro. But so dancing is all good.

But even if you're the toughest shooter in the world, you shouldn't be embarrassed to dance. I'm trying to make it, yeah. I'm trying to make it that way. I feel like that. Because niggas in my city right now is dancing on TikTok but still spinning on shit every day. Right.

So. There it is. But there's a lot of the artists that don't want to get caught doing the dance at all. You feel on me? Or they be like, yo, they're going to say I'm goofy or, you know what?

You know what? They'd be too worried about what the nigga going to say, but people will probably love you even more. Right. I know a guy who a couple years ago he's like, what the fuck? Like, why is it cool to dance all of a sudden?

He's like, I've been dancing my whole goddamn life. I've been hiding this shit trying to be a rapper. Now all of a sudden people want to see me dance. I'm like, yeah. That's what I'm saying. It must be kind of weird to have that change so quickly. The biggest artist dance. I don't know why people feel like they can't dance.

Right. That's the crazy part. Like, I'm going to be that one nigga that's going to be on some MC Hammer. Chris Brown, MJ shit. Like, movie. I mean, TikTok changed everything. Let's be real. Because it gave you a reason to dance all of a sudden.

You know, normally you would see it a little bit in videos, something like that, but TikTok is just set up to congratulate you if you want to bust some moves for sure. What is Uchikuchi? Cucci. Uchoochee. That's one of my singles. Yeah? No, I know.

But what, tell me what that song's about. Like, basically about a bitch that was fronting. You feel me, she didn't want to get a coochie up at first. Right. And in the beginning I said, I'm trying to get this coochie by the mile. Just a nigger, like, really like on that. You feel me? Like, I need some air.

Right. For me? But it wasn't really no story behind that shit. I just created in the studio, bro, trying to be funny and really just, you know, I just came up with that hook. Like, once I came up with the hook, it was up. Right. That's funny that, though, because there's been a few different viral videos of dudes who, like,

basically will fly a chick out and then she don't want to fuck. And they'd be tripping. And then this creates this whole conversation. about like dudes expecting something or if you spend a certain amount of money, is it fair for you to expect something? Right. How do you look at that? Yeah, well, I file you out.

You gotta get now. You gotta get now. Like, it's a must like, you feel on me? I know for nobody else, dude, but if I do, right. You feel me? You know you're getting it. My thing though is like, imagine being a dude and pulling your phone out and thinking that everybody's gonna think this is some fly shit for you to be barking at her and telling

her to get the fuck out. Like people are not gonna think that. Yeah, I would never do no shit like that. If you want to send her on her way, just send her on her way. Be chill about it. You don't want to be covered off like some fucking weird. I would never post on a meeting. And this bitch ain't give me no, that makes you look like a sucker.

It makes you look like the thirstiest person on earth. Like you're dying for pussy. Oh, that's dead. What the fuck? That's hilarious. What are you looking for in a woman though? Like what kind of girl appeals to you at this point in your life? Somebody that understand, understand my situation.

my situation, understand it's going to be females in my DM, understand, you know what I'm working, that I'm busy, you feel me, like we had time for you. Like, you know, like, that's what I look forward to the- Especially when you young, the level of jealousy that the chicks have is just insane. Security shit, real, bro. Yeah. But I ain't a lot. I suffer trying to make a bitch feel secure. Like, I really don't know I do that. Really? I got to learn that shit. I don't know I really make a female feel secure like that. Yeah, I feel you.

But it's like, you know, I know a lot of dudes who've got like girlfriends in their late 20s or 30 and their girls like pretty understanding about the type of there's chicks around and shit. Maybe they're even understanding about the fact that they might pipe one of them here and there. But when you're young, oh man, those emotions run high and it's just, yeah, I don't know. That's got to be tough dating when you're in your position at your age. That shit tough. Yeah. So, okay, we got the dark video. We'll be out by the time that they're seeing this.

Yeah. Yeah, that shit out there. Right. What else are you pushing? Like you feel like you want to just kind of keep hammering away at this song? Or are you trying to like get a whole bunch of different shit? Yeah. No, singles for sure.

But we gotta get this one gold platinum. Right. You feel me? We gotta get a plaque for this one. Yeah. That's how I'm gonna know. Like this shit, I hit Billboard, Top 100. You know, it got some history behind it for me to be on to the next.

Like, I know. I know it's a hit, you know, everybody knows it's a hit, but we gotta, you know. You got one. one producer that you work with or you got a whole bunch? I got a bunch of them. Right now I'm trying to build a team full of them that do the same type of shit that I do. Right.

Get them all together. Be a master team. I don't got good or nobody else type of shit. Yeah. But yeah. That makes sense. Okay. So anything else you want to let the people know that you got

coming down the pipeline? Merch on the way, man. Two rare merch. You know? That's on the way you're about to drop. Go grab it. It's out now. It's going to be out by.

time this interview done. Fire. Tap in. You want to look good. Crop the merch. Yeah, grab that. Yeah, grab that. What you're saying?

Yeah, music video for sure. That shit on now. We said that. Yeah, we already said that. Queen Bobby pin. Not listening over there. Tell them about the music video. No, for sure.

How's she to deal with? Oh, she's cool. She's not driving you crazy yet? No, Sophie good. You don't got a mic. We can't hear you. This guy's. Talking over here.

Like a lot of Sophie, Sophie nice and sweet, man. Yeah, but why she got a skeleton tattoos on her hands, though? It's kind of creepy. What she drink is up. She's the grim reaper. She's the grim reaper.

The grim reaper at K-Town. I don't love to K-Town. Okay. I appreciate you coming in, man. I appreciate you, fam. First artist to do it. First artist on this set. That's crazy.

You can carry that with you for the rest of your life. Hell you. No Jumper got a whole new studio just for my interview because I wanted some flash shit. We make your history, man. Every day. Damn. My boy. I appreciate you, man.

I appreciate you more. Much love. Good luck with everything. No jumper. Too rare. Too rare. We out of here. Coolest podcast.

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