No Jumper - The 30 Deep Grimeyy & NWM Cee Murdaa Interview

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

St Louis rising sensations 30 Deep Grimeyy and NWM Cee Murdaa, stopped by the No Jumper podcast to share their come up with Adam!They break down their upbringing, music influences, their tough reality, their take on the rap game and their friendship goes beyond the music. ----- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. Today, I'm in here with 30 Deep Grimy and NWMC Murder. You guys are both examples of how rap names are getting kind of complicated these days. Your name is particularly intimidating because it's like 30 deep. Like you're just literally telling people how you're pulling up in the name. Yeah. So it's like you got to watch out. Yeah.

So you guys are coming out of St. Louis. Yeah, most definitely. What? Who's the biggest rappers I was St. Louis, besides Nelly is the obvious one to me. Who else has really made a dent? You got Lute Kills, five, Shmino. Smino, okay. Yep, that's a good point.

Metro Boone? Metro Booms from that? He produced. Oh, I didn't know that. That's a good one, too. Other than that, us. Yeah. They want to.

So when you guys started rapping, you didn't. Oh, yeah, and Commetter's in. Oh, he is. Yeah, come into. That's a good. And he fucks for you guys, right? Yeah, that's my brother. That's good, because he tends to be freaking out on people.

here and there so that's good that you got that connection going uh so when you guys started like rapping though because you've been putting on videos for like a couple of years now yeah it's been a it's been a minute it's not like you guys just popped up you know a lot of times you see like young rappers from the hood who like that first video just goes viral you guys been grinding for a minute huh yeah a little long just jail be holding me off of bag yeah yeah yeah in a jail both of you both of you been in out of jail I only called like two cases Okay. But I beat both of the motherfuckers, though.

Me all my life, even juvenile. Yeah. Right. When was your first bid? I was 17. I got certified. Does your whole fucking childhood, you were kind of in and out there, or was there one long stretch?

No, I went once when I was younger, but 17 was the real, like, the real time. How long was that? Shit. In the workhouse, I did, like, five months. It wasn't that many, but in the workouts, five months, it's like. What's the work? The workhouse. It's like the worst jail.

It's medium security. Okay. It's medium security. So they put you in a, like, a dorm with like 80 other motherfuckers. Right. And we all from the trenches, there ain't no posing here. So it's going down. So you have to fight, like right away?

Yeah, ain't no sale or none of that. Really? You got to fight. Like 80 motherfuckers, all bunks. Medium security, they barely watch you. You're not doing what you? Did watching prison shit on TV growing up, did that prepare you for anything that you were going into there?

It did a little bit. I'm already a well-known game, so I was good. Like, and I know how to fight. Right. Well, I grew up at, we got a recreation center, like, boxing gym, shit, so we all knew how to fight, like my neighborhood. But, like, the building is abandoned. Right.

One day we got lunch, and they cut the phones out so we want to call out, and they gave us an apple and three nacho chips for lunch and a milk, I swear to God. That's what they gave you. And they cut the phones off. So, you know, ain't nobody from holding it for evidence and showing them what they gave us because they're going to eat it because they obviously But they were just giving you that because what? They didn't have food and they just didn't like fuck you like we're just going to give you the that's terrible.

They cut all the phones off so we wouldn't call out. What the fuck? Like when you're in jail like you ain't going to I ain't going to say you but like when we're in jail we don't really eat the food like that they get commissary. That shit nasty like we eat commissary. You know the day before commissary ain't nobody got shit because they ate all their shit. The day before commissary they was fucked up.

But even commissaries like chips and like. Bullshit basically, right? You can get like a little tonal. You can get like, it'll be a little pack. Yeah. That's why I don't understand about motherfuckers who go to jail and get huge is that. You're getting huge eating trash.

You got to trash. Like you eat a lot of starch. It's a whole lot. You get peanut butter. You get big off peanut butter, beans and rice and shit. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Noodles and shit. But most of the dudes you see on the outside who are like in really great shape, you know,

they're eating fucking chicken breasts and broccoli and shit every day. That's just the penitry food different from jail food. what we can't move. It must be. It couldn't change your food better. You got to do more reps to get big off of fucking crackers. That's all I'm saying. I assume.

I didn't know what he's going to. You thought I was talking about myself, Cracker. Motherfucking Cracker. Is this scary as white dudes in jail in St. Louis? Or is it not really like that? The white dudes, I know that there was in doing with us. Like, some of them that's from the south side because the south side, them would be like real street white dudes.

They're black. They actually be certified. They're white. But they're not. Like skinhead dudes? It's not like that? Sometimes you do catch someone from the penitentiary sometimes. I ain't never seen nothing person.

They don't last. Right, because they don't got numbers. Skinheads don't last. But the cool white dudes who are on the south side thugging with us, you know, doing what they do, they last. Right. Like the corny look, the nerdy ones, they don't last seat. Like they fooling and they come and they don't last.

They get, they get in, they get, they be trying to protect the custody. They protect the custody. They don't last. Really? Yeah, they're gonna ship your ass right back out. So you don't want to be in protected custody? Like, I went to the whole. I never been in prison.

No, I know you don't want to, but like in general, because we were having this conversation the other day about Kodak, and they were saying that Kodak probably wouldn't accept protected custody, even though realistically is definitely the most famous person in there. Is there even a choice? Yeah, but no. As soon as I go in, I'm already known. I know how to jail.

I didn't been jelling most of my life. I know how to jail. That's what made me a man. Right. Like, niggas like us. I can't go to protect the custody when we get locked up. Jail make you a man because you could do whatever in the streets, what you do. When you go to jail, you ain't got nothing to it.

All you got is your hands. And it's real gladiators in there. You got to fight like a real warrior. And you're going to see what you're standing on. If you're really going to stand 10, stand on what you stand. You know, behind your gang or whatever you believe in. You got to stand on it. And then it's going to be like, like we went to, I went to jail and I was like 19.

So I was in jail like grown. So, right. Like, you know certified 17? That one's a grown-ass man who went to 45, like 50, depending on their whole life. So is it like, in your opinion, when you look at people who haven't spent any time in prison, do you feel like they could never understand like that lifestyle or what it's like to be in that environment?

It just depends on how you, how you is, how you raised. Because a lot of people should have so fucked up on the outside, they don't have to go to jail to have experienced some of the worst shit, right? Some niggas like, they'll go to jail and jail or turn them. into who they need to be. Like, there's some niggas though, they'll go to jail, like, they'll go to jail and turn into an animal. Right.

Me? Yeah. You feel like it brought that out of you? I was all right. He was born. I was fucked up. I was born into that shit. It just made me more fucked up in a word that niggas ain't really who they say to it is.

I looked up to certain niggas and I seen them snore dope. I'd have peeing things above bunks and I didn't see niggas shoot at each other and be cool in jail and eat with each other. Like, this shit is fake. Like, I, like, just. They made me open up my eyes so much. I was 17 in the dorm. I was one of the only males that was 17.

It was a couple of us in my dorm. Everybody else was older, so they ain't looking to me as a man because I'm in here with men. But at the same time, they don't feel sorry for me, but they are in their own little way, like, oh, little, bro, you need to, uh, but I'm a man, though, you know. So you didn't trust snort and dope in prison? Fuck, no.

Hell no. I know people that had never done heroin and they went to jail and they did it the first night that they got there? Because it was just, it was so easy to get and because it's not like you could get anything else. No, that's good. I've seen it's all in that, motherfucker. It's just with going so young, you get hip so fast,

and everybody else that ain't been locked up, they ain't hip to hijab, but when they do get locked up, they don't know what the fuck to do. When you get like, you already know what to do, you're all this, motherfucker, no, all this. So you're jailing right. Like, niggas come in, 25, I ain't never been to jail, don't know what to do,

how to crunch up a pack of noodles and cook it and some cold ass, none of that, they don't know. I'm gonna be honest about you guys. You guys seem like the types of dudes that, like, as kids, you seem like you are probably, like, just overwhelmingly fascinated by street shit, by rap, by grimy-ass shit.

Is that true? At what point did you get off of the Sesame Street and fucking Rugrats and just be like, no, I'm watching... How you mix that shit in with the streets? Well, I was crazy. Like, I was a bad-ass kid thucking outside, but I still going house when my favorite cartoon come on type of shit like that.

I mean, it's still like that. You could still watch cartoons, right? Because I had two big brothers, one of them had died. So I always wanted to be like them like I'd be with them when I was younger. Right. I was like six, seven out all night with their head. How did they die? Only one of them died.

He died. He had got shot. Oh, wow. And you were six rolling around doing all kinds of crazy shit? No, no, no, no. I went on no crazy shit. But I was just with them, you know? They were smoking this shit.

But I always had a strong mind. Like, if I ain't want to do it, I want to doing it. Hey, man. I got to stop right now and just give a big, big shout out to our sponsor. sponsor, Bluechew. Bluechew.com is where you want to go if you want to get your mail enhancement on. Basically, they sell stuff that's just as good as the prescription stuff, but you can get it through their easy-to-use website where they have a physician that can connect with you online.

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promo code Adam 22 so you can get a nice old discount. Actually, you can get it free. Just pay $5 shipping. That's right. BluTu.com. Use code Adam 22. Let's go. I grew up fast. Like, in my neighborhood, my mama and my dig, they weren't together, but Like, they co-parent, like, they, one of my daddy had me on the weekends, my mama had me on the weekdays. And my mama had the house where it was just like, it was the chill zone. If you ain't had nowhere to go, that's where you went. If you wanted to be safe, cool, all the whole neighborhoods in them, like, the whole neighborhood went through. It wasn't just no house you can just run in and out, but it was like a, like, it was one in the houses, you was good.

Like, it was like a safe haven for the hood, I guess. But everybody knew my mom and respected her when they respected my daddy. certain type of cripple years in my neighborhood so shit i'll walk into the store young age five six and shit in the neighborhood to watch me i ain't never had to really worry about shit in my neighborhood because the whole neighborhood know me if i did anything it'd get back to my mama but so you're bouncing between your mom and your dad's house but is your dad kind of have a similar environment as your dad on some more street type shit yeah but my mom and my daddy from the same neighborhood my mama she stayed in a different neighborhood but my daddy always dropped me up in my greenie house

in the neighborhood that my mama and the originator from. Okay. So when I'm over there, I'll be over there chilling. And I'm with my mama, I'd be over there chilling. But both neighborhoods, I just maneuver. They are watching me. Like, I ain't never really have to worry about shit. And I was born into the shit.

Like, it ain't no shit I can just choose. Like, oh, I want to do this. It's like, all already everybody else is doing this. And they, they're looking at me and they breed me to be this type of person. So you knew your crib since super early? I got baby pictures of them. Like, I lay on my Instagram, I got baby pictures of me, and my mama dressing me up as a baby, all orange. She got all orange.

Why, she's doing orange. Is that some Hoover shit? Nah, I'm a six-doole-old. I'm a six-duce. I'm a six-duce. Okay. So what's that, how does this St. Louis have neighborhood? Shit.

From me, well, my, my hood got it from where it came and originated from, it's from our herd. Yeah, two people from Cali, Big Mouth. Oh, God. Little Mous and Big Mous, they run that shit. But a lot of, a lot of people from Cali went to a whole lot of other states and cities. Just set up shop type shit. Uh-huh. Like the dope was already, the dope hit our shit.

And when the dope hit, that's when the gangs hit, like the colors and shit, for real, for real, for real. Okay. We had different games at first. They had older games, but they games were just like, shit. Just how y'all gangs is, I heard, there's only one street. That'd be the hood. Like, Prood I go was the hood. That was a gang.

But when the gang gang, like with the Crips and Blugs and all, that shit, still pointing to our city and our states, shit, it was over with. Yeah. And we got it wrong. It ain't like how it is out here. Like the six old is beefing with the six deuces. And they're all neighborhoods. Yeah, we beefing.

But they don't claim neighborhood, though. They just think they roll in 60s. And the six doces fuck with the boys sometimes. It just be a whole lot of fuck with everybody. Everybody be fucking everybody. Everybody beefing with everybody. But if you're growing up in that, are you looking at, like, L.A. rap videos and shit and sort of idolizing, like, Nipsey and these types of dudes who are, like,

famous crips from the West Coast? Or is it like, nah, this is our version. We don't give a fuck about what they're doing in LA. Both. The second one. I don't know what's the second one. Like, I ain't like, my role models was people from my hood. I ain't look up to no rappers for me.

I looked it up to song, but I ain't look up to no Nipsy and all that. The role models was the niggas that had all the money. The fancy cars, the bitches. And you've seen them in action. Like, I actually sing my older homeboys in action. And what I mean when I say in action. like doing it, like an action, like living their life, like, I actually see him in action. Like I know what he'll do.

Like, niggas to say what they do, but I see him in action. I ain't never seen you play with him in action. You know, I ain't never seen you play with that one fucker, but I see him play with that more than that. Yeah, that's how we are like. So I looked up to him because I know at the end of the day, if I need something done, he's going to do it. Yeah.

Right. But I don't, like, that's why, like he said, like, he said, I got hella uncles. My mom and the only girl and she got hella brother. So, like, I actually seen. them do shit to where I can look up to them. I ain't gonna look up to you just because you're talking about what you're doing. Right. Shout to my big homie Pooke, he did none.

He saved my daddy life one time shit. Saved your dad's life? Let's hear this story. Yeah. He saved my daddy's life one time shit. My daddy said, like, they both. Like my daddy, he saved his own life, but at the same time, Pooke had helped him.

And without Pookeed help, he probably would have died. And Pookeh, Pookeed dies again wrongs, but Pooke had saved his own life. But Phuket was like a real big piece of my neighborhood I'm originally, like, when I was born in and shit. And Pooka, like, he paid everybody bills. Really? Like, if you ain't get out your bills, pay, he'll pay the, he'll pay the-the-lawful. So what you're making it sound like is, like, you were close to the dudes who are really having money in the streets. Like, I was closer to the older niggas.

Rather than the young nigs at a young age because my daddy, they age. And my daddy gave me around these older nigs. Like, the older nigs, that's why I was closer to. Because there's a certain thing that it does to your brain when you're like a young kid and you realize that the dudes who are richest fucking your neighborhood are the ones who are selling dope and you just sort of go through your whole life thinking about that. That's how I look at it. That's how I look at it because my debt, that's how my daddy was.

Like, my daddy locked up right now. He's been locked up for 11 years now. For drug dealing? Yeah. First time he got locked up shit. He got caught with a little shit and he did eight years. He got out and was only out for six months. And then he got locked right back up for the same.

And shit. Damn. He's right back in the feds. But like that's how I was. Like my daddy had all the money and shit. Like I used to watch, like my daddy used to stick money in his shoes. I used to go in his room one day, counting like $15,000. I'm like, damn.

In all the shoes? Yeah. I used to be like, damn. It's funny how parents think that they know something that the kids aren't going to figure it out. I was like, hey, I went in his room. I was just pulling the money out the shoes because he had got locked up. He's like, go get my money on my shoes. And my mama didn't know what he was.

meant right so I went and grabbed all this and I counted it was 15,000 I'm like damn and they got paper that's crazy because then as a kid you find out at some point that people are out here working jobs to make like you know 500 bucks a week or whatever and you're like wait a minute like my dad had a lot more than 500 dollars in his fucking shoes my mom right and then my phone's gonna be looking at kids like you get pulled over you want to search your kid as much as you'll search your grown man oh wow There's a whole lot of gangster shit going on. I didn't have been in high speeds with my daddy.

So I can call my mama right now and she'll tell you. I was in a high speed my daddy when I was like... Crazy-ass police chase type of shit? I was like six. 20 cars when I say... And he got away? No, he got caught. My mom had to come to get me from social services.

What? What we come from? Where we come from, it's like, okay, your daddy got a name. You either got to live up to that name where you got to be bigger than that. You got to do more than he did because it's like you got to match this shit. If you don't match, you gotta go above. But niggas usually try to go above because niggas ain't trying to live off their daddy name.

Right. So you are conscious of that from a real young age? Like, damn, my dad is known for this type of shit. We both had a lot to live up too because both our daddy, like, with them niggas. My dad is, he's smart. Yeah. All around.

Real street nigger all around. Never told on nobody. No way to throw his hands. Play with that. You know, he did everything under the sun and shit. I'm blessed to have what I had from him because everybody, they'd just, be thinking they're supposed to just be there one, you just throw the baseball in the mid

and all this shit. It wouldn't like that for me, but shit, I'm glad for the times I did have on shit. Because I know, like, when I was young, I used to be sad. Sometimes, like, he had picked me up, drop me off from my gurney house, drop me off in the hood. Like, damn, this nigga, study dropped me out. Like, what the fuck he on? But now since me getting older than seeing how it is to be a black man growing up and just seeing what I went through and what he was going through at that age, and now I'm

the age where he was in when he had me and shit. I'm like, damn. Now I see what the nigg was going to. And I see why the nigg was dropping me off and shit. It just be real. That's crazy. So did you guys discover that you had a passion for rapping at a real young age or when did that catch on?

Yeah. Because my mama used to listen to all-hill hip hop and shit. Okay. So that's how I got it from my mama. And my uncles used to have a rap group and shit. But mostly my mama because she used to listen to nothing but rap. And like 3LW, Mary Day Blime. and all that shit.

So that's why I get a lot of my love. And my mama, she's a big inspiration. Right. You listen to it a lot from a young age? What? Rap. You were just like a hip-hop junkie from a young age? It really started with me in movies.

Oh, okay. Like a lot of movies inspired me. Like, boys growing up watching like the temptations, Brooklyn and shit. Just listen to like, say my granny play some Luther. I'll listen to it and be like, oh, well, I heard this on Luther basketball. I heard.

You know, like, I heard this on the woods or something. And I bowed to the song and sing the song with it to her. She'd be like, how the fuck you know this song? And I'd be like, Granny, it's on the woods. And my mama and she had played Al-Lavine. Oh, wow. Shit like, you know, just all type of shit.

You know, mama clean up. She cleaned up the house. She's playing all type of shit. So you gotta listen to it because this fucking speakers is in the living room and your room next to the living room. She had the entertainment song to dance. Yeah. Your mom's black? Yeah.

And she's bumping Avalveen? Yeah. That's fire. Like, we listen. to Keesicole, Al Levine, Lauren Hill, when I think about it, I got to thank my white-ass mom

for playing hella great black music around me as a kid. I'm glad that she wasn't close-minded about that because I'm just like, it was all Marvin Gay and the temptations and a lot of shit like that. A lot of white shit too, but like, you know, she's definitely,

I got to thank her for that for sure. That's what makes, that's what make your, like, I don't know, it makes your music better. Oh, yeah. Because we can switch it up any type of way. And when you have your parents, It's like your brain is so, like anything you smash into a little kid's brain is going to really make a dance.

So if you're listening to fucking amazing music from a really young age, I feel like then by the time you're 15 or 16 and you want to start rapping, you're going to have a little bit more of it in your fucking soul, you know? You being forced to just listen, not just the shit that came, like, say, 2001, like this shit that came up to the shit just in the 90s and the 80s. You've been forced to listen to that shit is going to make your brain. You got songs like, what's that song? We got a song called off.

Like rock star. We sample, we sample Tupac, Lubbousie and Betty Wright all in one song. I try not to sample too much. I don't really be sampled. I only sample from like, like, it got to be like real old, like something that I think, like I sample like from Betty Wright, you know that it's no pain, no game. No pain. Yeah, yeah.

I sample from artists that at least like 50 years old. That's why I think it's dope about you guys. You guys have some of that energy of like when G-U and it was coming out and they were just rapping over other people's beats and shit. Yeah, like, because I would love that. Like, that was such a thing in hip-hop back in the day. Like, oh, you came out, you had a hot song. Wayne was the king of that.

You got a hot song. I'm gonna get on your beat and make a better song. Wayne is my favorite rapper. Who? Wayne's my favorite rapper, the quarter three. But I love Tupac, nah, shit like that, Biggie, ready to die, shit like that. But Wayne my favorite rapper. And when they quarter three and all the droughts and all, no ceilings, that one and shit.

Like, that shit had a nigga lit. Oh, good shit shit shit had a nigga lit. Like, these niggins nowadays, I don't know what they're saying on their songs. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? And it sounds good. So, niggas just vibbing to it. Like, and then we, like, some shit we hear, we be like, like, what's that song?

We like. What's that song? Motherly love. At first, we didn't like it. At first, we didn't like it. But we sat down and just listen. Like we listen to a whole song Sometimes these younger, us are age and a little older

But you just can't understand it Because you ain't from where they're from But like they're really love I fuck with that song That's all. If you listen to what the lyrics are and the words, you can But some niggas they just be saying shit And they'll be getting interviews And they're asking like what they say

They're like Because keyed and God it are two dudes that If I'm just talking to them, I can understand everything they're saying but when it's them talking to each other And I'm just sitting there I'm just like, man, it is like another fucking language because they're so, yeah, I bet you got. Yeah, because you're so used to talking to each other that you could just mumble something and the other one's going to know exactly what you meant because you got that connection.

We can be loud. We can be loud. And you still won't understand nothing we're talking about. Yep. Because we got a little lingo. That's very intimidating to white-ass people like myself, but that's cool. When you guys start like making videos and shit, though, because that's definitely a big part of you guys's appeal, right? is that you like do a good job depicting what the fuck is going on yeah i i usually direct my own

video tell them what i want them to do right i'm like a big piece of that oh yeah i want you to do this so you're gonna do it this motherfucking way you don't do it at all because you can't just leave it all up to the video guy right or do you have like one video guy that you always work with or you just sort of something mostly in st louis it depends on the different like when i'm in st louis i work with victory when i'm in miami i work with drew or uh Or Jolo. Or Jolo. Okay.

And where do you guys record at? We record it. Sal. In St. Louis. Sav going crazy in St. Louis. But if we in Miami, we record all type of places. I don't really want to put no location on anymore for the hearing.

Well, you guys just spend a shit a lot of time in Miami, too? Yeah. That's where we based there right now. Oh, really? Okay. So you had to get out of St. Louis? Nah. It wasn't like that.

We just. It wasn't too hot. It was just. We're going back real soon. It's like. We'd be in and out. It's like you be. It's a better sound in my own.

In St. Louis, you can't really push your, you can push your music. We got the city on lock. It's just you can't really network because there's nobody on shit. You can only really promote your shit online. It's not really clubs or whatever, right? Yeah. And nobody's moving around. Is there, because that's the interesting thing about you guys.

You seem like you clearly, like, grew up really paying attention to the culture and shit, but at the same time, is there not really that much shit going on outside? Like, is there not lit parties and clubs in St. Louis? Is it like that? Yeah. I ain't really been like that. Yeah. Sometimes it depends on the mood or what type of club or what type of party you're trying to go.

Because if you're talking about like hardcore underground rap shit, there's a lot of cities don't really have any venues that are trying to fuck with that kind of shit at all. Yeah. But our city, that's all we listen to that hardcore rap shit. Right. Like even the females, like, you come to something like, even a female listen to that hard shit. Like they're not listening to no singing and shit.

Yeah, they make truck music. We got a couple female orders out of the same little. They make some kids. Yeah, like me. Yeah, sexy red. Well. You bet. You bet.

I'm Googling them. I'll check it out. That's all. Yeah. That's about it. That's about it. Yeah. You bet and sexy red.

God damn me. A little wren on the way. So was there, was there a moment where you, because you're talking about like going to prison and how that sort of like changed your mind in terms of like, you know, you're young and you think the street shit is everything and then you get locked up and you You sort of saw people who are supposed to be enemies in the streets and they're cool. Last time I was locked up, I got locked up for like a county year in the county and it wouldn't like the city like the city more while I'm from like more fucked up.

But the county like it's, it's, it's, they got sales in the county type shit and they kind of fuck your head up too. Right. And with me being going from out here being in the city going to these sales, I'm like, damn, you're catching this county case and doing more time like a year and then I got to go back to the city because I'm on papers in the city. I got to do my violation four more months, three more months down in the city. You know, like, it just, I don't know, but I lost a lot and I learned a lot.

I lost my blood brother with my neck. Actually, for really, he's my stepbrother, but I say he's my blood brother because, yeah. When did that happen? 2016. Okay, and so that was like. I got a month after, and I was in her nine, ten months before he died. And it kind of fucked the nigga up, but I learned. He died while I was in her.

I learned from it. It fucked the nigga up. I just calculated my every move from there. Right. Damn, yeah, that must have been rough losing him. You didn't get to go to the funeral and shit like that? Fuck, no. I was a danger to society or some shit like that.

They made me. They had first degree assault, ACA. ACA is on criminal action, first degree or saw. You know what they mean? And they dropped it to UU.W. Shoot on Motor Vehicle because I had to pay a lawyer. Usually when you have a paid lawyer, they either try to give you a deal

or take it to trial, nine times a 10. And then I'm gonna take shit to try. And I was trying to see. Because they cost too much money. Like if I would have sat longer, if I'd have sat probably another year in their bunk-ass county which wasting my motherfuckered time, I was supposed to graduate the year I was there. Yeah, like, man, fuck there.

I'll get some more papers. I'm gonna walk the motherfuck down and I did. I'm just not getting on paper like a couple months ago. Right. So you can finally smoke now? Yeah. But I've been on paper since I was 17. I'm 22.

Okay. You're on paper five years, so you don't even, you're not even used to smoking. You never were able to get used to it. I don't like weed. I don't. I want to smoke it. I just got to smoke more. I'd be getting them to hit the blunt sometimes.

I'm cool on this shit. But he'd be coughing this. I'll sip some drinks. I hear that. Yeah. Do you guys both do that? Yeah. All right.

Just don't go crazy, man. You gotta keep on the whole. We don't do it like all the time. We'll do it like if it come around. We don't be looking for this shit. I don't smoke some squares or something. I'm gonna keep that day. I don't be on that weed.

New Year's resolution, though. We're trying to stop it. Stop smoking squares too? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that shit is terrible. I can't stop weed. He's wrong.

I can't stop weed because I stopped weed. I made everything in my life healthy now besides that weird shit. What, weed? Yeah, that's the only thing. I mean, I don't think it's that unhealthy. Damn, I don't fuck you. I stopped drinking. We keep me.

We keep me time. You listen to Rockstar? Yeah. That's that shit in it. A lot of nigs aren't expected out of me. I was a little sore-ass, yeah. Wait, so you feel like that you, is that what you meant to do is to do shit that's bigger than just sort of the hardcore rap shit you can.

All the time. That's my favorite song. Because we know we got all the street, all the, all the hard, like you said, the hardcore niggas that like that shit. Check this out. We want everybody. Not a stain. It's sell out a club.

Rockstar sell out a motherfucking arena. There you go. And that's what we want. I ain't trying to be like no local, nigga. I'm trying to be like Drake or some shit. Yeah. No, I hear that because, I mean, when you think about it, there are a lot of dudes who we all love and worship, but they were sort of like that, that hardcore street legend.

and then they weren't able to really break out from that and be able to make big-ass songs. Like you see how I didn't rock star. I made rock store a rock store song, but I, it's a whole, all the lyrics is the streets. What do you talk about? Like, I'm a rock store, gentlemen. You know, like, if you listen to the lyrics and you listen to the verses, I'm basically talking about the trenches the whole time, what I've been through and what I'm going through. But I'm saying it in a rock store lingo. Right.

I'm telling, like, I'm having a conversation. Say we got a rock star, white, or whatever you want to call him, Black boy, whatever. He's from suburb. He's something. He thinks he's a rock star. I think I'm a rock star. So I'm trying to talk to you, how you want to be talked to.

But I'm going to talk to you about what I've been going through. So are you guys conscious of the fact that a lot of your fans probably already are, like, young-ass white kids that just want to hear some hood shit? Yeah. Like, when I was in Florida, I went to Walgreens. I'm in the store, like, six, six. Lix, little Caucasian little dudes wearing up to me like, ain't you murdered, dude? And I'm like, yeah, how y'all know me?

And like, you're hard. I fuck with it. They're on YouTube. I fuck with it. They can't. I'm inspired a lot of people and I'm touching a lot of people. Yeah. Different races, I didn't see a lot, whole, I'll fuck with every race.

But that's why I like doing interviews too, because they see the other side of me, besides rapping about guns and shit. They see I'm smart and intelligent as well. I ain't just no dumb-ass nigger rapping about guns and shit. I got a white uncle like you, like everything like you, like all. like ain't no mix, no black or white uncle. Nice. He's tatted up. Yeah, I got my gurney.

She mixed and her other side is all white. I got white family. I ain't got nothing against no white people, Chinese, none of that. I fuck with all races. Yeah. And they fuck with me too. I want to learn how to speak hell of different languages, though.

Really? Think about that. I don't know if I ever had a rapper tell me that on here, be honest. I straight want to do that, though. I want to learn how to speak hell of languages. Oh, cool, all, all that. I just want to learn how to speak hell of languages. saying when they be going out.

Yeah, like, girls be saying stuff to me, like, and I be wanting to know what they're saying sometimes. Or they be talking, like, all right, I got to go. Could you hear it? Right. Whenever I go to different countries, I always will start thinking about like, damn, I'm going to learn Russian, bro. Like, I'm going to learn Chinese and then I get home and I'm like, nope, no, no means.

I can make a song in that language. That's real. They say English. Because I've seen that before, too, where it's like, if you're the like one cool-ass rapper dude in China, then you're lit. Like, you're the cool-ass. motherfucker they're gonna want you hosting clubs they're gonna want you doing everything because they don't got americans out there you know i can talk about clapping niggas in spanish chinese

all that that'll be hard but that's it's you on gangster yeah but china's crazy though because china will like fucking give you the death penalty for smoking weed or if i don't even know what china would do for if you're fucking talking about killing somebody i feel like they might just throw you in a dungeon for the next 20 years they'll give you what for smoking weed yeah i i i don't want to say but But there's definitely people who've gotten extremely harsh prison sentences for nothing. Which is crazy, too, because I've been in China smoking weed at times. If I go back, yeah, if I go back, I don't think I'm bringing weed. I ain't really trying to go overseas.

I'll sync that shit with Jaru and Fat Joe. They got kidnapped the shit. Joe got kidnapped? Yeah, you know, you see that shit? No. It's on YouTube. Oh, what? That's country and dude.

Well, they ain't really get kidnapped. Like, they got kidnapped with money. Dude kept saying extravaganza, like more shows. And they was like, no, we're trying to go home. he's like more money like you ain't going no fucking work oh shit damn i would kidnap job man fuck it that's what they was hot dog yeah okay damn i got to look that up that's crazy i don't even know for a movie show wrong damn that's fucking crazy they got dmicks before me i was showing they wanted dmix yeah i mean the real like look at dj esko he went to jeff

almost two months in fucking dubai for what was that they went to jail in sweeten that was rocky Rocky was locked up for shit like a month. No, he got out a couple weeks ago. Months ago. Yeah. But that shit was really fucked up because you watched a video. It's like a dude was harassing him and he had security who was trying to keep this dude chill and eventually they just, it was so out of control they just lost it.

That shit's fucked up. All of a sudden you get famous, you can't beat up a fan for fucking with you. Yeah, that's why I'm gonna keep people with me that do shit like that for me. Because I know like when I do something, like they gonna try to fault me for everything. I grew up fighting. I love fighting on how to fight. Yeah. We both bops.

They're going to like, the dude, know to throw his fucking hands. Like, I be thinking, like, I'm worth something now, so. Exactly. At a certain point, you're going to pull some money in the face,

and then they're going to sue you and it's going to cost you $20,000 or some shit. You can go to a little security, but I'm being on some baby shit. I'm knocking the, fuck out. You try to run up, I'm knifing to be on no pretty boy.

She's like, oh, get them none of that. I'm knocking them beat the fuck out of you. That's crazy to think, though, that if you clap to do in a lot, Walmart probably it would be so viral that like your songs that have two million views will probably have 20 million views that's how fucked up these people are i was gonna fake me what i think about it though i was just thinking i was who was i talking to my home boy fresh i was telling him

he was like you know the baby clapped dude in the Walmart and beat that shit but i'm saying if baby would have did that shit now they'd have pent his ass to the cross that was before his music was known like that if he would have did that now i'm saying he would never be alone now you know especially But right and wrong, though, they would have tried to pay him to the cross. He'll still be sitting in jail. But Gucci was already famous and he beat him murder. Yeah, that's self-defense. That he did.

That's what I'm saying. He tripping. Because self-defense. Gucci in 2007 or whatever, that was still pretty huge. I think the story was he took a dude gun or some shit like that. That's what I'm saying. But he had a bitch lure him from the strip club, take him back to the spot. And then there was dudes waiting there.

And a dude pulled the strap out. And Gucci took the gun from him and killed the dude. Yeah. Legends. When they tried to take a chain. Uh, that part of it was that GZ went on a mixtape and said that he had 10,000 for whoever took Gucci's chain, which is really fucking crazy when you think about it because that's basically him like authorizing killers to do whatever. I mean, I feel like if that happened now that before anything even happened, people would be bugged out on social media like, yo, he's based, because even now, like, if you, you ever see. I know I ain't going to have him problems.

Do you guys know who Lizzo is? Who? Lizzo? She's like the really plus-sized black woman who sings that's on Truth Hurts. Yeah, that one, yeah. So she called out a postmates driver didn't bring her her food,

and she aired him out on Twitter and put the picture from the fucking app and everything, and this dude started getting death threats and harassed by her fans and shit. And it's so funny because, like, that's really fucked up to do if you're a famous person. Like to just put the postmates driver on blast. Hey, you look like that shit.

But if you're a regular person, you can do that. You can do that. You're crazy. And then she went, what's their rap? It's a rap. They used to be popping that niggins straight Uber driving out. Oh, shit. Who was it?

Oh, my mom. Roscoe Dash. Oh, my God. Roscoe Dash. I talked to him on Twitter. He was supposed to do the podcast. She's going to do it with no hands, bro. Yeah.

He straight an Uber driver now. He's sick got that Mohawk? Nah. That's crazy. The Mohawk era is over, bro. You guys miss that shit. Man, I had a Mohawk. You did?

A lot of people had Mohawk so a little while there. I had, because my real name, Arthur, I had the cartoon character, Arthur on one side. Oh, so that's why you got the tattoo. I was wondering about that, all right. Yeah, I'm going to get the chain, too. That's a leg. Arthur's underrated. That was a good-ass cartoon.

Everybody used to tease me and shit growing up, like, well, D-W, you know? So I just stuck with it. I got a tatty when I was, like, 13. Damn, really? I swear this, though, the youngest nigga I knew it was tattooed. You knew it was your destiny, huh? You know, I cheated with my mama name. That's the first one.

You gotta get your mama name first. That's the only way. She ain't gonna fuck you off for getting the tattoo. That's cheap, right? Yeah, respect that. But I got bitches off of it. This looks good. Because he ain't always been this big, like at first, like it took, he had hit a big-ass ghost

bird. He was hell of little at first, like, when he was 13, he looked like he was only like 10 and and I had, and I had a hell of tattoos. I'm like, what the fuck? I was the first one with gold too. One of the first nigs in my city with gold and tattoos, so. Oh, man. It's over.

Like, I am. Girls don't even know what to think they see that. They know he was all than me. I didn't know he was older than me. I'm like, this thing got all tattoos and shit. He's he hella young. I'm thinking I'm older than him. I'm like, this thing got hella tattoos, golds and shit.

You had gold teeth before your teeth were even done growing and shit, huh? Like I got it from my dad. You know, my uncle used to get a lot of grills and shit. And he had to me, so like to his grill place, he got his grill man. I'm like, damn. I'm saying kids on the wall and shit. I'm like, damn, I give me one. He's like, yeah, how many you want?

I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to four, you're like, 10 curve, 14 care, what kind of care? I'm like, 10 the cheapest. He's like, yeah, I'm like, give me 10. I don't know if I'm not to clean this motherfucker. I'm in a couple hours, but shit, I took the 10 curve, four at the top, solid. And shit, I think I paid him like two something, $250, 200. I don't know. I think gold is way harder than diamonds.

Yeah, I love my gold. The grill shop was right down the street from my school. So one day I got out of school. I made my homeboys like three of their ass walk with me. I walked down to St. Louis Grills, STL Grills behind the U, Serious Building. serious building, got my goals, put them in, went back to school for at school, never went out of school.

Niggas on, only the lions got out of school. Niggas don't never go out of school. I went back to that school just to show my grill. Like, that's right. You crazy. Like, what the fuck? That's so dope. Yo, so with dead goofies, was this like, did you think, man, like, I'm, because you kind

have to know at a certain point at this point in hip-hop history that if you make a song you just dis mad people that it's gonna go viral. It's gonna be a thing. Nah, it wasn't the thing to go viral because we'd been had views with no cap. Shit, like, everything else was already blowing up. And no cap was the biggest one that down. It had two million views when I dropped dead goofies.

Dead goofies just, it's like in my city, when you get up to a certain level, everybody try to throw shade. And everybody don't, they don't, they don't, like, if they try, even if you don't want to work with them, but you'll set some awful. or you would tell them like, oh, well, we can do this, this type of way. Like, people just don't give fuck.

So if you ain't, if you ain't, if you ain't, if they ain't big, they're going to try to do anything to bring you down. So where everybody steady showing me, all these niggins we're stacking with, steady sneak this and not even really coming direct, just saying little shit, knowing we know what they're talking about and everybody in my ear like, man, you got to, you got to respond to this shit. And I'm just, they're like, man, I ain't on that. I'm trying to give a motherfuck up some clout.

Then next motherfucker. You got to respond to this shit. Then it's getting to other motherfuckers in your family. Like, you heard that shit, dude. You know, like, you got me fucked up. So why not just record something that's the truth, that's facts, and aim at every direction at all y'all because it's so many of y'all because we all into it, like the whole scene into it.

Especially with you guys blowing up right now. It's like you might as well. Just be like, listen, I don't fuck with y'all. I'm about to be huge and I don't get. a fuck about all y'all. Maybe we had some little in common, lose my number. We were cool, whatever. We weren't even really cool. Now, we never, Adam. We might have been cool a little bit. Like, one thing people don't know. People have been dissing us for years. Like I said about

six years, probably more than that. We never responded on no music, shit, and none of that. But when we do not make us look like the bad guy. He never, we never responded to no this on none of that. But now that we did, people look at us like the bad guy. Like, yeah, I'm saying like, why would y'all do that and all that? But we don't give a fucking. It's going to forever be an anthem. That's like 50 cents. I didn't know if you guys were too young to know about that and shit.

Yeah. That's how I'm-Eater. That's how I'm- I was pretty young. Either was the shit, yeah. No, but Rico Reckles is somebody who comes to mind that like he fucking, he kind of blew up off dissing everything Chicago. He just, nah, I ain't, I ain't blew up off dissing.

Like, he, like, I never make another diss song. Oh, okay. Like, that's just, that was the facts. I don't diss people. After that, you got away for somebody famous to diss you. Or that you want to get it now. You know? I smoked that.

Somebody famous. Because then you got something to gain from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could take some fans from them. I smoke the ass real quick, but it's like him, he tried to ride a wave. I don't really think. I don't know what they got going on down there. If he really owned it or he really was like me, I'm a different breed.

Like, my fuck really really what they're talking about. My fucker really didn't dishing in the trenches and, and motherfuckers can vouch. I don't know him and he just did it too much. Like you steady doing it, you steady doing it. Like what is you trying to accomplish? Like I didn't, I did that shit on defense. Like I feel like I defended myself with them. Like y'all steady dissing this shit.

And y'all think that it ain't, it's going unheard. I'm hearing all this shit. It's just steady piling up. Let me do this for my gang and represent this and represent my people because they're not gonna stop tap me till I do. Right. But is there any rapper in your head where it's like, like,

a famous rapper where you're like, if you get the chance, if it's a right moment, they're like, I want his head lyrically, of course, not in the streets, but like just somebody that you would love, that you low-key, just do not fuck with them, you think they're fake as fucking, you would love to just annihilate them on a track if it came down to it. I feel like everybody got somebody in the back of their head that they really don't fuck with. You don't got to say, but you could say. I can't say because I don't know none of these niggas.

They might be nice guys, yeah. So, I can't, like, I didn't, like, I didn't seem rappers like... I don't like the basketball of there, or Ms. Carter. I met a lot of rap. I met a lot of famous rappers. Like, I didn't met, co-metz the same by boy, J.B, Trippie Red. Like, it's a couple of people that I just met, like, how they seem on their songs. They ain't shit like that impression.

Like, for real, like, you see how we rap and you got to meet us in the interview and shit. And before the interview when we were talking to, you see. Man, you guys are tight, yeah. We met, we met a crap artist. Like, I fuck with. with Lil loaded in their league. Vine. Yeah, because you guys are torn with Vaughn, huh?

Yeah, Vine, my brother, too. I fuck with a couple artists, but the ones I've been around, like, loaded in Vine, they real, like, they're real niggas. Yeah, little loaded, yeah, my little brother, you're really with that. So I can't really say about who I, because I don't really know these niggas yet.

But I know these niggas know me because they all DM me. Once you start getting in, once you start fucking that, the same hose that they're fucking, that is when it don't get lit. That's when you guys are going to hate each other. These niggas all be,

they all be DM me on some cool. Yeah. Right. Okay, because you're just coming up. Now, they're trying to get cool before you get too big. Yeah. It's a rapper strategy. One thing, though.

Wait till that Drake DM comes in. Commeckels ain't a real nigga, though. Mick Mill follow me. He flew me out. Like, he flew me out of California. For real? He did some songs and shit. Oh, that's what?

Yeah. Mick Mill too? Oh, that's a good one right there. Yeah. Yeah, but Meek Mill, you see Mick Mill fucking with a lot of younger artists, like trying to sign them, work with him, shit like that. Like, he's definitely on his. business mind, the shit.

He's definitely trying to be keeping an eye on what's going on out there. He's a whole lot of football players following me, basketball players. It's just, it's been a whole lot of love outside the city. Yeah. And in the city, it just, it's fucked up. The niggas outside the city, fuck with you harder than the legends that's supposed to be from your city. Right. That's real.

They just make a nigga. And they're straight hide it. Do you have legal cases that are like open right now, or are you good? You're good? I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. That's good.

My case is closed. You got to leave that shit in the past, bro. Stay out of trouble because that shit will fuck you up with all kinds of shit. Like, you know, I can tell you guys have been through a lot. But I'm just saying, like, now is the time to keep your fucking nose clean. Because when I think about the number of rappers that I was interviewed early that I was cool with over the past couple of years who are dead or logged up, it is fucking crazy. It is way too many. Shit in the city where we're from, them motherfuckincher.

All niggas know is backdow. Yeah. Act like they fuck with you, grew up with you. They see you shining or you're doing something better than that. Backdow, that's what we call backdow. And just a bad door, that's how it goes now. You get back door with anything. Like, I can have 10 bucks on me and Merch can be right next to me and some nicks can kick my door and take it.

Like, that's a backdow move because the whole time he's texting the nicks. Backdough everything in my city. My city is the backdo capital. Like if I ain't been around you, I don't want to be around you. That's real. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago. She's like, they're like the top five murdering. Yeah.

We're the top, we're the number one crime. And we're the number one of crime. Are they like, really? They're like, really, sir, beg. That Mike Brown shit real. Like, niggas don't be on the news. Like, most of that shit don't make the news in that, I see. Like, a police died in Wells, not too long ago.

Like, shit get real, like, we be doing it. Police, when they pull us over one day, he's talking about, he says some lame and shit. He asked me was out with dirty deep. I'm like, no, I don't know what that is. He straight turned this body camera off. You're talking when y'all got boxed in the cross street from the airport. Yeah, he straight turned his body camera.

I pulled this gun. I like, I'll record you up right here. Who'ddy Wop and nobody do shit about it. I'm like, damn. I recorded them and they lock me up. I recorded them harassing them and they luck me at. Wow. Yeah.

Like they're crazy. They do. Nothing happened with the footage of the- Nah, I end up just stop talking like I got on some, you know, I'm ready to go. go, bro. Like, you'll tell them. They will kill you. They're good for boxing the motherfucking end, though.

Box your ass in. Rip your motherfuck of seat support. But that's the whole thing with you guys staying in St. Louis is that it's like the cops are going to be paying crazy eyes attention as well as the people that, the people who want to be cool with you as well as the people that don't want to be cool with you. It's just all that attention, something has to blow at a certain point. Whereas then you ducked off and chilling.

That's why you guys say you're chilling to Miami. I'm like, oh, that's a great idea because realistically. In Santa Louis, you can chill too. Inside Louis. You just got to avoid the motherfuckers who are acting friendly. Yeah. Don't be around nobody. You ain't been around.

That's real. We don't be on none of that friendly as shit. That's what you call it. Friendly Bob. That's what you call it, like, friendly bob. Are the gun laws pretty strict out there? Because I've seen you literally at a school rapping with a fucking machine gun.

I was like, that doesn't seem like the cops would appreciate that. It's openly carrying San Luis. You ain't got a gun license than nothing, long as you ain't got no cases. That was a prop. Yeah. Long as you ain't got no cases. No gun.

You can't have a gun long as you want. I can still have a gun because I beat both of my cases. What's on my record is a UW concealed. He got 2014. He got convicted of a film so he can't have a lot. You could be in public with a gun out or you have to keep it concealed. In St. Louis, you can be in public with a gun out, open carry lock. And concealed?

You can have concealed or out. That's a beautiful thing. My boy, foes walking around. You've seen that video of them two dudes in St. Louis that went viral. they walk into the store with two A.R. Strat to them. Yeah. That's the home boys.

They with the game. That's the my brother. Do you think, like, if you walk into a store, though, and there's a guy just standing there with a fucking machine gun on his hip, does that make you feel safer or more at risk? You ever seen not the same? Uh, the video. Yeah.

We didn't kill a lot. Yeah. I was wondering about that. I'm like, I wonder how much security there had to be or if they had to sign anything to film in that location. We ain't never had no security. We ain't got no security. We just do it.

was. I don't know when we. We had niggas walking in the store, scratching their head, walking out the store. Like, no, I'm good. I found another one. I'm industry now. I just assume that there's permits and shit. Nope.

Nope. None of that. They ain't going to fake if the clerks. They just see me grow up. They don't really be tripping, but they get mad at me sometimes like, I ought to get the fuck on. Right. Like, tell your home boys, all y'all get the fuck out.

And we'll be procrastinating. They don't leave. You know, it's funny as I noticed that there's one comment that reigns above all others. on the Dead Goosey's video is just saying that you're like the physical embodiment of black air forces. Man, I heard that. I heard that.

Which I guess just means that they think you seem like a jack boy. Stalkdown, kill him. We call the Stump down. What we from? Stomp down? Yeah, it's a team. Just like a dude could be stomped down

and that just means he's crazy. If you stomp down, you're 10. If you're 10, you're 10 toes down. Okay. You stump down, that means you didn't deal a whole, you know. Right. Yeah, I'm a stump down. Okay.

Yeah, most definitely though, like, that shit real. I respect, I respect real. All they're faking and flogers, I can tell if you're real. I can look and I can look a motherfucker in their eyes, tell off they demeanor if they're real and what they're really talking about what they really doing. That's what's up. And that's easy. I feel like you guys are really, like, motivated. Like, you guys are really trying to do this this year, huh?

All right. It's all right. It's 20-20. It's all right. Yeah, I'm trying to be in their freshman thing. Like saying. Either you sign yet? No.

No. You still, I know they touched it. Every major label on us. When I went to audio Mac and talked to the old girl, she was like, so many labels hit me up about you. I just got off the phone with RCA. I'm like, like, a lot of labels on me. They want to fill you out early. Don't, if they act like they're your best friends, just don't believe them.

Worry about the deal. You know, it's like you got to, it's weird because you got to worry about what. I mean, worry about the ass right now. I'm probably next year to be. We're just trying to build it up more to where they come to work. Because it's crazy. It's like a lot of times people will hit me with a video and it'll just be some young-ass kids with guns out and the projects, whatever, rapping. But the shit is trash and they'll be talking like it's dope.

I'm like, bro, it got a million views, but it's just because it's a fucking kid with a gun. Like your shit is hard. It gives you that vibe like how niggas just be mom rapping and you just be vibed to like, oh yeah. It gives them type of beats. But when you listen to the lyrics, you're like, bro, they actually, my shit. making sense. Yeah, we talk that shit. Yeah.

Yeah. The flow is on point. I fuck with it. You guys got like producers on deck that you're coming with or who do you fuck with producers wise? Sab going crazy in St. Louis. Yeah. Local dudes for the most part are you getting shit online?

I fuck with hollow. Yeah, we've been, yeah, we've fucking hard on that back. We been fucking with a lot of, um, folks who kind of beer too. And that dude, glitie what you're cooking up. Okay. That's what's a sudden. Murder beat. I don't, I mean, he'd be into all this shit.

I didn't into all that shit. I didn't talk with the producer. I ain't into all that. I'm lazy. Yeah. He do all the, I get all that shit. I don't know. None of that.

Do you guys feel like your, like, are you guys sticking together this whole ride or are we going to see you guys having completely separate careers and not really being around each other as much in a couple years? Like, are you guys dedicated to really like sticking together through this thing? You know what I'm saying kid and playing? No, I'm sure. Yeah. It's my brother.

You guys got old references. Shit, I wouldn't think you'd know about. This ain't no rap. This is ain't no rap shit. Like if all this shit fall off today, we're going to all we're going to have. with each other type shit. So, like, this my brother's like, he's stuck with me. We just get people what they want.

Sometimes people want to see a separate, they see a separate. Yeah, they want to. We're going to have separate tapes. We're going to drop like, solo tapes and shit, but we're going to drop. We're dropping the tape on the 13. That's a plan? Splash brothers. Okay.

I am murder, murder is me. My mom, we're the same person. So whether we separate or not, we are like, my gang members is gone. They, I am them. Like, he know what I be doing. Like, he would call me and straight tell me. exactly what I'm doing. I hear a car.

What your ass doing? Smoking your ass hot. I was like, how the fuck this is going to go? Oh, your car. Take your ass in the house. How the fuck you know I'm outside? Like, you know what? Yeah.

That's crazy. It just, I don't know. It's just whatever the people want, they gonna get. We're gonna jam together. And then, everything I'm not, he is and what he not, I am. Yeah. We're going to join the games regardless until we dead. But what the people want, they're going to get.

They're going to give it to him. After it. For sure. How's your arm doing? I'm good, mo. You had that shit on for a few months now, huh? No, only like a month, two weeks. Okay.

And that's because you got shot up? Yeah, got shot five times. What the fuck? And they just- Seven and six point two sheds. What happened? The bullet went straight into your fucking wrist or where to hit?

I got shot shit right here. Oh my God, bro. That just got grace, but he got a bullet wound right. And I got shot in my back right here. Where were you? I hit him. I was on interstate. On the highway?

Yeah. And somebody's gonna show you while you were driving on the highway? I want to drive, but yeah. What the fuck? That's how I go, man. Yeah. That is some scary, that shit, my life. It ain't shit.

But it ain't nothing though, because, I know, I ain't gonna say that. But it just come with it, you know? It just come with the game, man. You gotta take that shit and- I'm just saying, stay safe. Stay out of trouble, because I feel like you guys got a huge, fucking year. This taught me my lesson, though.

The knee-scra. Just taught my lesson, like this show. show me my worth. But if you ain't safe on the highway, damn, that's scary. Man. I watched the mirrors. Soon as I sit, and that's what I'm, I'm watching the mirror soon. Because he put his hand out the car.

I'm always driving, so I'm usually watching mirrors. Murder, he made sure my head right with that thing, so I say, watch the cars. I don't know as I said that. Everybody in the car not talking and lollygagging on point, you in a certain area, I'm going for watching the mirrors. Murder was watching his mirrors. He just went driving. Exactly.

I can swear of nothing. But he got, like, he, he got in, like, a mode to where he couldn't get hit in his head. Yeah. I watched my mirror. He couldn't swear with nothing because he wasn't in the driver's seat, you know? Right. Yeah, he was watching the mirrors, though, most definitely. Because I seen him when he, when, I don't know who it was, but whatever it was, I

seen, as soon as he put his hand, I say, watch that car and he tried, and then there's one, D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D. Drop like a little 30-P. So let me guess. The cops show up. They ask who it was. You say, no, I don't know. No, they drop me off at the hospital.

Okay. I had them drop me off at the hospital. And then shit, I hopped out the car. They like, you want to come with you. I'm like, hell, no, don't come with me. They're going to, you know what the police be on. So I went in there, shit. And then got stitched up and shit.

And when I woke up, I was handcuffed to the bed. They just, where he did some neck, too. Like, they just, where you? or do some shit. Yeah, I woke up handcuffed to the bed. Right. Police came in her like some talking about some shit. I ain't know nothing about.

They mad at you because you want to talk to him? Yeah, he was lying. I'm like, bro, you're lying, bro. Get out my room. Right. Then he's threatening like, because my wound was still open. They never dang stitch this up. He's like, that wound looked like, what happened if I stick my, because it was a big

ass chunk in there. You like, what happened if I stick my, I'm like, I'm going to sue the shit out of you. The fuck? These cops are sick. Straight on it. I'm like, bro, get out. Then I had bug the nurse, like, get him out my room. That's crazy.

What the fuck? Muffalo's a little playing good cop, bad cop. Yeah. Walking around, like, what happened? Then the next one was coming down. What happened, bitch? I'm like, man, get this dude up out of her. I was really fond of that good cop, bad cop shit when I was a kid too when I think about it, man.

I was just dumb as fuck. One thing by me, like, I get on their nerve. Yeah, I make the police so mad to where they lose. They train a thought. I go to sleep. In front of them? Yeah. Or I tell him, give me some, uh, give me my phone call.

Right. Interrogation techniques right there. Yeah, what they all? And then, that's what you say. They'll say something like, like, saving the men get locked up together. They'll say something like, all your buddy already told on you. Exactly. Why hit him with it?

If he told you already what you need to know for me. They got me with that when I was 14 on some graffiti shit. It caught me and my friend both riding away from the wall. And they told me that he snitched on me. And I'm like, what the fuck, man? You spilled the beans, huh? I mean, I didn't even have to spill the beans. I kind of, I had, like, mad spray pan in my backpack.

So it was kind of going down either way, but it was like, they convinced me to snitch on myself right there, I think, yeah. Yeah, so. But just hit him with it. If he told you what I got to tell you something for, if he already told you. That's a smart thing to say. Well, we found with that snitch and shit. It's all about if he was raised right.

My mom and my daddy, they raised me right. It's to always, if them people come, you know nothing. You plead the fifth. I knew about pleading the fifth before I even knew what the fuck pleading the fifth. Growing up, I used to pick. Like, growing up, we got ass-whoops for snitching. Right. You come tell on your, I come tell on one of my brothers or something.

My mom slap me because I can't miss snitch. Growing up, you got your ass beat for getting your ass beat. Oh, my mom. If you lose a fight, you're getting your ass. Yeah, you better beat his ass or I'm beating your hand. That's fire. My mom used to be on that. What are you guys working on in terms of new shit coming?

Are you mostly focused on the video? You're both focused on doing your own tapes. December 13, we got a tape. We got a tape-13. We drive Splad brothers. Nice. Tape together. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I have like 14 songs on the motherfuck. Is that, I haven't even, not only watched you guys on YouTube, is that, do you have like a bunch of projects on, on Apple Music and all that? Yeah. We got a whole lot of souls. You got some little singles on Apple Music. Okay, but no project?

Audio Mac and shit, yeah. Okay. I ain't gonna fake it. It's been, it's been like all blue checks in my damn. Yeah. I believe it. I feel lucky that we got you in here. It seems like the right time, you know?

They waiting on their tape, too. That's what everybody waiting on. My folks trying to get their features in and shit. That's actually a weird feeling to realize, like when I was watching this shit last night, like, oh, I'm really to keep listening to a lot of these songs. Everybody getting hip. Like, coming out here, I'm in the, I'm in a, somebody, I say, and they was just like, yeah, my people got me hip and woo and woo.

Like, damn, all we're out here in the Bay. Yeah. Fuck them. St. That's out of that fucking country. Interesting. It's on the other side of the country. I'm all away from St. Louis.

I'm like, what the fuck? Big things are coming. People in your city, they don't know what's coming. They vibed in the bank. And the motherfuck up here in the bay. I'm like, damn. If the Bay knew about my shit, I know Dallas and Houston, I be watching my activity and shit. I know New York and Chicago and, like certain motherfuckers on it.

It's gonna be big. It's coming. Hey, where y'all intro come from? What's song that come off? Who's singing that point? Bolling like an athlete. Oh my mama. Me and my brother was arguing about this.

I'm like, bro. It's Goody. I ain't gonna figure no jump with this shit. Hey, I appreciate it. You know what's fucked up is that I'm wearing the shirt with the pitcher X's baby picture. And for some reason during this interview, you guys have such like a good dialogue going that it really reminded me of that interview. That it's like, damn, I feel like I'm actually doing an interview right now that's like

gonna be looked at down the road like a big deal. A lot of people try to compare my rock star song to him and his music. Really? I mean, musically, different styles, but definitely like, I don't know, just like personality. wise i feel like you guys are like like i just feel like when people watch people that they feel like like are real as fuck they just gravitate towards them so you guys got that he can do shit wrong but be him yeah well he might have done some shit that's why i respect him because of music shit yeah and he talked this shit and he really don't like features he's like me with that shit too he really do no feature

like we're the only features basically if you guys have bigger rappers asking you for features just keep that in mind that you're probably doing more for them at this point than they're doing for I did some things with some big rappers. Oh, right? Yeah, a couple. Nice. I ain't gonna fake it. You write about that.

Yeah. I was just talking to my, my man's 100K track, my manager about that shit, because he makes sure, like, he keeping hip on certain music and I'll be telling me, oh, this nigger want to do a song. You know, I'm gonna be excited about certain shit like, damn, why he's listening to this me? I'm trying to do a song with a nigga, you know? But I don't be on no groupie shit, no friendly shit.

Like, I keep about this shit to myself. I won't let the nigger. I'll be like, oh, yeah. and never know how we feel. I don't know, I'm like the other thing. And in person, I'm like, oh, yeah, what's up, nigga? No, but my manager is like, who, what? Ah, nah, that nigga's trying to, he's trying to ride away, but he's trying to, you know.

But certain niggas, who I fuck with, who straight up in the game, they straight fuck with this shit, be shining, promoting you all type of, yeah, shout out, yeah, that's a hundred. That's what you know. That's what you know. For sure. It's hard for a nigga to make it out of St. Louis. That's fact. That's why I would be so crazy if you guys pull it out.

If you guys pulled out. One person that straight made me believe I can make it out that motherfucker is Comeditha thing. Lookill. Look here. Look here, I fuck with Look Hill. And he just shouted this out on the Lottitik the show. Oh, where?

Yeah. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, big. He got some shit. You know, Look at his is. No. You did me wrong. You did me wrong. Oh, okay.

He from St. Louis. Oh, shit, all right. I got to get on that. Maybe he can call on next. Nice. Yeah. Shit, I appreciate you guys coming on, though, for real. This is a dope-ass interview. My mom.

Fire. I'm keeping my out. Appreciate it, Sean. All right, gang. Murder and grimy. Oh, no, I got to show you the handshake. Oh, shit. What I do?

Neighborhood. Go like this. Neighborhood. Uh, two-time. Uh. Hold on. You got to. Uh.

Uh. Go on, murder. Come on, Mom. Look it up. Uh. Uh. Drop five. Uh.

There's no way that I was going to pull that on. Holy shit. That was awesome. You see the hat made in the same woods. Yeah, I see that. That's your heart. All right. I appreciate you guys for real, man.

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