No Jumper - The 645AR Interview: His Upbringing, How He Found His Style, His Influences & More

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

645AR made his way to the No Jumper podcast to discuss his unique and interesting flow, his upbringing, listening to Fleetwood Mac before Doggface made it trending, compares his music to a math problem, Young Thug inspiration and Playboi Carti comparison. https://www.instagram.com/645ar/ ---- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world, and today I'm in here with the one and only 645 AR. How you doing, Jay? Yeah. What up, Adam? How you feeling? Feeling good, man. Yeah, I'm a big fan, man. I'm very happy to get in here in the booth with you and figure out exactly what you're all about.

You're one of the more interesting characters to have emerged in hip-hop over the last year, right? Yeah. Vival. You got it, man. You got to ask me some real shit. Yeah, what's the shit that, I mean, because that's always the trick as an interviewer is that you're trying to figure out what's the stuff that they will talk about that is super interesting and that nobody knows about but you want to do it without having to ask the corny

ask question of what does nobody know about you that they would find interesting yeah man has anything come to mind that's the question is anything come to mind uh just talking i mean we can talk about anything except like cases and shit how's the case situation right now though is it serious or is it just kind of whatever Shit, it's a little serious, but, you know, it's nothing I can't get through, so we don't be all right. You're all right. You're a rapper. You're supposed to skate past these things, right?

Yeah, I respect it. Okay, so you're born in the Bronx. What are your memories of that? Because you moved down south relatively quickly, right? So, like, what formative building blocks did you pick up there? Man, that's where I get my lyrical shit from. Really? Yeah, that's where I get my bars from.

The bars? You got from, what, Fat Joe? and standing on the corner. Being up New York. I got the swag from being in Atlanta. Got to mix it up. Okay. That's why I get the lyrical shit from.

What were you listening to out there that got you into lyricism? You know. As a 10-year-old. Biggie. A lot of 50. Heavy influence on 50. I was listening to other shit too, though.

Like Flewold Mac. I've been listening to Flewold Mac. Really? Yeah, I've been listening to Flewold Mac. Me too. just get into it with dog face. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he popped it off, but I was listening to him before that.

I know. Flewitwood Mac is like, that's kind of crazy that it took this random Mexican-slash-native dude drinking cranberry juice on a skateboard to convince the new generation. The Flewwood Mac is one of the greatest bands of all time. Fex. You see, I'm a prankster. So, like, man, I play Flewool-O-Met because, like, when people listen to it, like, they start dozing off and shit, starting to fall asleep.

Like, start pranking them. Right. Yeah, I've been listening to Flewold Mac. Do you see how those kids have been blown up on YouTube just like listening to all these old rock bands for the first time and shit? Yeah. That's kind of crazy, right? Like, they're so appreciative of something that I kind of always just took for granted. Like I heard that Oasis song that they flipped out to like five million times 20 years ago.

Yeah, nah, they just be catching on. Like, I think, I think Flew & Mac just had to, like, they just had to peek on, like, billboard or some shit. Oh, I believe it for sure. after the dark face shit, they just peaked on billboard. It is kind of like a weird assumption to think that young people should only care about listening to music that is basically like made by people from their rough upbringing and shit like that.

Like why wouldn't you want to listen to a rock man from the 70s if they're a fire? No, facts, yeah. I grew up on that shit though, so it was like, I didn't grow up on it, but like my mom wasn't playing that shit around the house. Like, you know what I'm saying? She was, like, play some, like,

Fugees, uh, like, Oh, KooJ. Right. A bunch of soul shit. But, like, I picked up, like, flew with Matt, like, just being in the car and shit, like, going, like, work with my dad and shit, riding, like, that shit would be on the radio. Go to the mall, you hear that shit over the airport.

Right. Like, hear that shit. And, like, I fucked with it. That wasn't the shit that was being pushed on me, but, like, I fucked with it. Like, just. hearing that shit, like, it's different. Like, if you hear that shit, like, niggas doing, like, high,

like, it's high frequencies and shit, and then, like, niggas aren't really familiar with that shit, like, today, but, like, back in the day, like, a lot of people was doing singing shit and high frequencies and shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's totally true. And you think about, like, disco and shit? Yeah.

Like, a bunch of grown men singing on high-pitched voices and shit, and it just seemed totally normal. And then when you do it, it's, it's, or Cardi, or whoever. It's just people act like this is something that's never been even touched before. Yeah. But that's the internet. That's the internet.

That's true. And people just having short attention spans. But also it's hip hop having not really been broken open and done in all the different ways that it could be done. That we just haven't really seen that much vocal experimentation in hip-hop throughout its history. Yeah, that's facts. All right, guys, I just got to let you know. This podcast right here is sponsored by Blue Chew. Our sponsor, Blue Chew.

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And all the orders are filled. in the USA. So again, bluechew.com promo code Adam 22. You gotta get involved. You'll pay just $5 shipping. It's free. Five dollar shipping. That's crazy. Back to the interview. When you said you'd be going to work with your dad and shit, what did your dad do and what kind of stuff would you be doing helping him out with? He did a lot of like contracting shit, like handyman shit, building shit, like, carpeting, all types of shit. And he'd just be bringing you around having you help out and stuff like that? Yeah.

Just brought me with him. What are those memories like that's kind of like an adorable mental image, especially just because so many people I interviewed don't seem like they had strong relationships with their dad? Yeah, and I had a good relationship with my pop. I still got a good relationship with my pops, but yeah, like, really, I ain't like doing that shit because he was just trying to like, I don't know. I was a bad kid getting in trouble and shit, so, like, he tried to bring me out so I wouldn't

be at home and shit. So I'd have to go with him and do shit But like Yeah I didn't really like that shit For real for it to be honest Because I'm a little ass kid bro I'm not trying to go work on carpet with you and shit Trying to go

To go to the Codac For real I mean that's the problem I think Being a dad is that at a certain point You want your kid to give a fuck about All the stuff that you give a fuck about But then meanwhile they're their own person They don't care they don't care Yeah not facts yeah my dad from Honduras too

He's from Honduras too He's from Honduras. So he's born and raised there. You feel me? So he was like, he moved here. He moved here, had me. So I was like, he'd be wanting me to, you know what I'm saying? But he started working when he was like a kid.

Like, you know what I'm saying? He'd be trying to push that on me. It's like a different level of hustle coming from an environment like that, huh? Yeah. So I was like, you know what I'm saying? Just thinking about being four years old, hadn't go get some fish. Yeah. Yeah.

Like trying to push that on me. For real. What was your mom? like or is your mom like yeah my mom my mom was a hustler like hard worker making sure you know what I'm saying she took care of us got us out got us out the hood really yeah so you kind of saw that like come up in terms of your where you were staying at in the environment that you were around she she didn't want me around that shit so you know she worked get us out of there okay get us out of New York yeah so that okay so that you moving from New York

directed down south that was very much like your mom sort of like elevating and like moving away to a safer environment and shit yeah that's definitely what that was how did that feel to you as a kid though you're kind of pissed that she was taking you out of this fun-ass environment you were in yeah because really i moved like in the in the elementary school and shit so like i moved to florida though for like like less i wasn't in florida for a whole year i was staying in uh in like browner for like 10 months or some shit i went to squat there and shit But like, yeah, because I just, I just like, so shit, like, I moved, I moved in the fifth grade. So I was in, and I had a class.

I was in the fourth, yeah, I moved in the fifth grade. Like fifth grade, I moved to Florida and shit. But like in fourth grade, it was a dude that lived in my building. I had a class with him and shit. So, like, we ended up getting real cool and shit. And then it was another nigga. We got real cool with it. And then he lived in my building.

And so I was in the class with two niggas in my building and shit. Then we ended up moving like the next year and shit. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? I'm just like, damn. But, you know, I was looking forward to some new shit too. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, just trying to see other aspects in life and shit. That's crazy that you were in Broward like that.

You could have been coming up with X and skiing shit if things have worked out a little differently. Isn't that weird to think about? Yeah, nah. I'd be thinking about that. Like, I don't know how it turned out. I probably wouldn't even be rapping for real. probably stayed in Florida.

You don't think? Yeah, I don't know what I'd be doing. That's interesting. So what influenced you to get into music? Like, when did that start to happen? Shit, uh, shit, man. Really, on some rush out, I really had hoop dreams. Yeah, right.

Yeah. I still got hoop dreams, man. Like, people gonna see it. Like, I'm check. Check West didn't give up. Yeah, man. I guess you don't got it, right? I'm making the league, man, 2021, man.

I'm putting the jersey on. It's going to take a lot of training, a lot of diet. It's definitely going to take a lot. I already started, though. Okay. I'm like a month in. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Corona started. I didn't put on like 40 pounds. Really? Yeah. That's my goal is to get a fucking house that's big enough that has a basketball court so I can practice learning to shoot properly by myself without having to be judged by any like 12 year old kids at the playground next to it or whatever.

Yeah. No, I'm from playing the league, man. It's going to happen. You see me? rap shit, like, it's just a stepping stone. Like, that's all it is for me. Really? But, yeah, like, I was really doing this ball shit for real.

And then that shit just wasn't working out because I was in school and shit. So I was in school doing some shit. I wasn't even trying to do. I was just doing that shit, just play ball. That shit, ball shit wasn't working out. So I was still, I'm still talented. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's. me but shit like I definitely just need to get back in shape but yeah I feel it's gonna happen man

that's one crazy thing though that I realized and researching you is that you were very much around during these sort of like formative like early soundcloud type era in Atlanta and shit and you were around yaddy and Ian Connor and the slime Cito and all these dudes that I'm like reading up on you and realizing like oh shit like you might only like really sort of caught your stride in the past year or so yeah but you were like around a lot of these creative ass people out of time in fucking Atlanta history that was pretty pivotal and iconic. Nah, facts. Facts. What's up?

Like before, yeah, before I started rapping on some real shit, like, I was just, because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. Like, I'm done with school. I dropped, I just dropped at a college and shit. So I was going to college in New York. So I came back to my mama crib. I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do. So I was just doing, I was just running with the wind. So I'm running with like, you know, niggas was rapping and shit so I'm just like shit how can I help them so I started like shooting videos like vlogs and shit really yeah I started to shoot vlogs and uh man like the first shit I shot with some Hurridge Pablo Juan shit it was like a

vlog wow it was that shit and then the second shit I shot it was it was it was a smoke perp show smoke perp Larry League and Low Punk wow did that and then Larry Lee what the fuck happened to them I don't remember Larry Lee, yeah, man. Shout out Larry Lee, man. Larry Lee played a big part of my success and shit. Really? So, yeah.

I came up with them and shit. Oh, wow, that's sick. Yeah. But, yeah, so I'm doing that shit. And then that's just not really it for real. Because it's vlogs, it's not even, like, shooting videos. So boom, it's vlogs and shit. Then the nigger wanted me to shoot his video.

So I'm like, shit, all right. I shoot the nigger video and shit. Like, he shot the, it was a feature, though, so he, it was a feature, though. So he, it was a nigga from Atlanta and shit. Like, he was well-known in the city and shit. So goddamn, they wanted me to shoot a video. I shot the video and shit. And then I just, I wasn't fucking with the song and shit.

I was just like, damn. Like, so shit. Like, they thought I was really fin to do, like, a music video for free and shit. So, like, you know what I'm saying? I loki was. At the end, I was just going, like, say, like, yeah, I need this. Boom, I'm editing in the video. or I'm trying to

and I'm just listening to the song and shit I'm just like damn like this shit not it like I could do this I could do what he doing I can have somebody shoot my video and shit

so that's when I was like fuck you I'm gonna try to rap shit so like that like like that made me like me

me being a video man and shit I just seen shit from a different perspective and shit so like not a rapper perspective but it's just like

more of trying to like trying to make your way in so it's more it's more of a perspective of like trying to make your way in and shit so it's like I was trying to do that and then I just realized

I was like damn like I could literally do this shit like I'm talking about dude who sold dude the feature he wasn't really popping like that and then he sold the feature for like a couple bands I'm just like damn like

you selling features for a band and shit like this shit really like whack for real this shit really whack I could do this. So that's what made me start rapping this shit. Like, give it a try. I'm going to give it a try.

I'm going to make music that I would want to listen to. Right. Yeah. Interesting. So was the reaction not great at first? Were you getting a reaction before you sort of started experimenting more and more? Yeah. The reaction was little, though.

Like, it was just some small shit. It was like, oh, this shit hard. I'll play, like, I want some sneak shit, though. Like, everybody had been through this shit. When niggas first start rapping this shit, Like, you try to sneak a song in this shit, and you play it, and then niggas is like, oh, it's shit hard. It's shit hard. And you're like, oh, shit, okay, I'm fend to run with this shit.

Like, it's more than one nigga saying this shit hard. Like, it's my first song, so I'm fend wrong with this shit. So that's really how I got in the rap. Right. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. You can go back and just sort of watch your transformation from looking at old videos and shit like that. Like, you seem like you've kind of done what you can to, like, erase some of your history on the internet. by deleting certain shit and stuff, but there's still a good...

My shit got banned, man. Like, my Twitter, like... Oh, really? Yeah, so shit, really, that's a good thing to happen, though, because I was really tweeting some crazy shit. Really? Yeah, so I got banned from Twitter and shit, though, so, like, niggas can't see them tweets.

You remember the tweet that got you banned? Shit. Yo, you remember when that World War II shit was going on? Not at World War III. When it was talking about... Oh, yeah, yeah. Right this time last year, I think. We thought North Korea was going to bomb us or whatever, yeah.

Yeah, so I posted some tweet, and that shit started going up, and then, I don't know, they just took my shit down. But what did you say? Like, you threatened somebody? No, I just, I forgot what I said. I said, some shit, it was just like, some shit, like, about North Korea, nigs want to play. It was just some troll shit, though, you feel what I'm gonna. I could kind of imagine it. Like, if you were looking at it from an outside perspective, it might have seemed like you were being sort of racist or, like, threatening to destroy this country.

Yeah, that's what it was. was about though but yeah it was just some troll shit they deleted my shit damn did I feel like the end of the world this time it did I didn't go in a lot it did I was like damn I got to start over but shit I was tweeting some crazy shit on there so you know what I'm saying

I would have came up niggas was started looking at old tweets and shit yeah we've all been through it Sadda baby got it a couple months ago yeah it wasn't no shit you know that's gonna give me canceled or none but I was saying some crazy shit you know what I'm saying yeah everybody 13 on Twitter and shit 13 14 just saying 13 is a crazy ass age man Remember when Brother Nature had it come up

And he was tweeting some I'm not gonna throw him under the bus or anything But he was tweeting some crazy shit But then people are like yeah he was 14 saying this That's everybody though Like come on man like you're a kid Definitely You a kid just saying this shit

Yeah that is the weird thing about Like nowadays you can transition From a rapper or from a kid to a rapper So goddamn fast And it's like very hard for people to sort of realize That you were just a regular person six months ago and you know we are regular people

that's true yeah I know that's a weird thing too is the rappers are supposed to sort of like be treated as if they were not regular immediately or you know this doesn't really make any sense but that's interesting because you say that you got into rap through 50 cents and I wonder like what

part of that appealed to you because like from my perspective I was like 18 when 50 came out and I remember that was like my impression to him was like this is the most gangster shit I ever heard like this is crazy. Yeah, not facts. It felt real in a way. Bad ass shit.

Getting in trouble in daycare and shit. Right. Type shit. Daycare. That was a long time ago. Yeah. That's dope. So, okay, like, you start making music and stuff, but then you start experimenting and

you sort of, like, find your sound. Like, what led you in that direction? Shit. Really? I was making shit. I was making shit I thought it was hard as fuck. Like, it was like the best shit I had. And then, you know what I'm saying?

Niggas just wasn't catching on for real. I was like, damn, like this shit hard. Niggas ain't even paying attention for real. So I just started like trying to put shit together. And then just so I already told you like the back in the days, niggas doing high frequencies, like high pitch shit. That shit was coming. So like it was coming.

Niggas heard it. Like if you hear it at the airport of shit, like you're not going to be like, yo, what the fuck is this? It's just some common shit. Like, the Fleetwood match, so boom. I was like, I got to switch this shit up. I got to change it up. So, you know, when you're thinking about shit, you always like shit.

You always think about, like, the pros and cons of shit. You always think about like, okay, what can happen? What's the going to happen? What's the good shit that's going to come out of this? And what's the bad shit that's going to come out of it? So I was rapping that shit. You know, niggas just wasn't picking up for real. I was like, damn, like, niggas got to get some.

Gotta get something behind it, like, something that's going to make niggas say what the fuck. But not say what the fuck, like, because it'd be gimmicks and shit. Like, it'd be, too, like, gimmicks. Niggas should just be, like, clearly trolling and shit. Like, it'd be pure gimmicks and shit. Like, niggas probably thought it was a gimmick. Like, for the trap, like, niggas probably think it's a gimmick. Some people really, like, fought with a song and shit.

Some people just think it's some funny shit. But, like, if you listen to the lyrics and shit, and you go to genius and you see what I'm saying, I'm actually saying some real shit. so like that's how I thought about I was like damn okay I got to do something that's going like I got to do something that's going to be different but not going to be like some weird shit you feel me like it's weird

it's weird but like I made it real so it's weird like just my approach is weird but I made it different by like trying to say some real shit like trying to make that shit like having content behind like my delivery and shit delivery is going to get people's attention and it'll be like what the fuck but like if you hear some shit

and then it's just bored shit you're gonna be like man it's just bullshit but like if you hear some shit and you're like damn like people keep talking about this shit like there's a reason why people's talking about this shit because I'm saying some real shit like some real lyrical shit like like for the trap

like my delivery was different like with the high pitch but like I was talking about some real shit that a lot of people could relate to so that's what it was like I was like man I got to do something different but I got to do something different

that's not too crazy that like some people could still relate to. Right. So, you feel what I mean? Like, because people could just make, like, a nigga could just make a high, high, high pitch song, just talking about a whole bunch of bullshit, bitches, money, cars, a whole bunch of bullshit.

Niggas are not really going, they're going to be like, man, this is just bullshit. Like, he just, he just trying to, like, he's trying hard to, like, be different. But, like, I was talking about some shit that niggas could relate to. I just made my delivery different, you feel me? So.

Definitely. Yeah, I don't think it would have taken off the way it did or hit the same if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed very sincere about it and you were taking it seriously in a lot of ways. And like a lot of people, you know, rap has no shortage of people who are just looking for some kind of viral fucking bullshit to come up awful. You know, it would have been very easy for your shit to end up in that category and to have people treat it that way, right? Facts. Yeah, that's another thing too. like with a bunch of niggas would be going vibran and shit like they just got that one viral shit

and then shit pretty much all the shit after that just be like it don't live up to what got you where you at so shit like for the track got me where for the track got me on and shit like for the trap put the world on notice but I came out with some shit yoga I came out with yoga after that yoga's bigger than for the track

yoga's the hardest one if you has made that song is insane nah facts yeah shout out Shout out Ola Runt. Right. Yeah. But he was on, he's on every version of it, or he just got on the remix? Nah, so yoga, yoga was made in November around this time last year.

It was made in November. Olai had got on it. It was me, me and Olai. We dropped this song like December, December last year. Yeah, we dropped the song December last year. People was already fucking with it. Like, this is before the label push and shit. This is when Ola is on it.

So boom. Like, you got people like Rose Lill. fucking with it. Got people putting it like in a playlist and this shit. It's doing shit by itself. Boom. I get signing shit.

I get signed off for the trap though. I got signed off for the trap. Then like Ron was just telling me Ron Perry was just telling me like yoga was it. He was like yoga's the record. Boom. He was okay.

This is what we're going with next. So yeah. And they just sent, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm waiting for this shit. Like, I'm like, so boom, my manager called me. He's like, yeah, Ron, he's big on yoga. I, I'm like, yeah, yoga's going to be big.

They're going to make it big and shit. I'm like, man, okay, we're going crazy. Boom, I call Ola. I'm like, man, they fuck on yoga. We're going to go viral. We're going up. We're going up. We're going to shoot the video.

I, ah, I. So shit, like some time go by. It's like a week or two. Time go by. they sent me the song and shit the engineer who mixed the song he sent me the song and shit I'm listening to it and then I never hear

all our shit like it was just they took them off and shit so I'm like damn like why I do that but this one Ola was coming up and shit so like I kind of see it from the label perspective and shit but yeah I feel like what are

the label conversations like when you're going in to get signed and stuff but they're just like genuinely excited about what you're doing? Or did you feel like, you know, because again, with the label, sometimes they're looking for a quick fucking pump and dump where they want to just take one popping song, get what they can, completely like sort of rinse you

of any sort of artistic ambition, use up that song and then throw you by the wayside. Like, were you thinking about that? Or like, was their appreciation for it? You're talking about just having conversations with Ron Perry. It was like the president or CEO of whatever the label. Yeah, so shit. really uh i already knew that shit i was like i was kind of like shit like i got one record

that's going crazy like i was just thinking worst case scenarios and shit but uh i talked to him and you know what i'm saying like i actually got to like talk to him fill him out for real so like you know what i'm saying like there wasn't the there wasn't the only label too that was talking to me so like i had all the labels and shit like i was just most comfortable with them. Like they because other labels and shit there was there was more on some like

there was more looking on some like gimmick shit like like trying to that's that's that's that's what their approach was like on some gimmick shit so at all the labels

I was talking to and shit like Columbia was just like the most down the earth like down the earth they knew what I was doing they heard other records too so like they just knew what I was doing

the shit so yeah everything was like That's what's up. It's crazy when you think about it that like Yadi, when Yadi came out in 2016 or whatever, that like his voice and his sound was so shocking to people. Yeah. Just from having like sort of a weird croaky voice and doing like melodic-ass songs and shit, like mind-blowing to people.

And then you fast forward like four years and it's like people have kind of become numb to a lot of different styles and shit. And they're like, you had to go in like a way more abstract. direction to sort of like get people excited about that you know sort of like a similar thing of just trying like a totally different sound and rap yeah now that's facts like man really people people with ADHD they fuck my shit heavy like you know what I'm saying it's just abstract it's different like so when people be trying to do different shit like they don't really be thinking about it man really man like shit bro when I do my high pitch shit like man if you if you singing that shit in high pitch bro you gonna be turnt bro like it's

it's a lot of energy in it so like it's abstract but it's like trying to explain it like like it's energy behind it yeah you feel me like i don't even not explain it's interesting to see who it resonates with because uh the dude that i do the news with this dude ad who's probably like the most gangster guy who does camera on-camera stuff here or whatever he like when I said I was interviewing you he's like I listened to his new video like a hundred times this weekend like he's totally sincere like he's like yo that that new song is ridiculous and he's just straight up like we're playing it in here he's singing along to it it's like but I noticed that happening with me too is that the more I listen to it the more my brain

gets used to it and it doesn't seem as shocking and I can kind of just appreciate the melodies and whatnot yeah at the after you know what I'm saying And really, man, like my music is like, it's like a math problem. Like, once you solve the math problem, you just like satisfying, listen to and shit. So it's like, once you get that acquired taste and shit, like, it's just up. Like, it's just up. It's interesting though. Like, who do you think the main fan base is at this point?

And does it feel odd that maybe a lot of the fans are like, I don't know. know, sort of like indie, like, hipster type people and maybe not necessarily like the core hip hop audience, so I would assume, like, a lot of those sort of people, like, still might not understand or might not even hurt it necessarily, that sometimes it's like the internet audience that's really being receptive to it. Yeah, so, like, really when people listen to my shit, like, I, when people listen to it, the first thing they're going to say is like, what the fuck? They're going to be like, what the fuck is this?

and then it just make them want to dig into my shit more because they're just confused like what the fuck is this why is this having so much attention on it so it's thought off as like what the fuck you know it go both ways though

somebody I definitely be like man nah that's that's not it that shit just not it but somebody gonna be like man this shit different and he's really saying some shit because they didn't listen to it a couple of times they're like damn okay so now they're seeing where I'm coming from this shit

after the first like after the first listen you like what the fuck you like damn people go and listen to it again though they're gonna be like because they got to you got to you got to be like like my shit my shit is like some shit where you because my songs be short too

so my songs be like some shit you know what I'm saying my delivery different and then like they probably not going to understand what I'm saying so that make them want to listen to it again because they really try to listen now they're like damn so shit now that they're really trying to listen and they're going to pick up some shit that I'm really saying

And then they're going to be like, damn, this nigga really saying some shit. It's interesting in me because you seem like, you care about the meaning and what you're actually saying a lot. But then you're sort of purposefully like delivering the lyrics in a way that it's hard for people to pick up on to the point where you even put the lyrics on the screen for a bunch of the videos and stuff. But is that part of the puzzle in a sense that you want people to have to like go look up the lyrics or listen to it over and over to figure out exactly what you're saying? They remind me a metal, because I grew up listening to metal where a lot of times the vocals are like, like, you can't tell what they're saying at all, but like you kind of have, it's a different level of learning curve when you have to go look the shit up. Yeah, and then like you see it.

And then some people be shocked. Like, that's another thing too. So it's a factor of what come with trying to figure my shit out. Niggas be shocked. Noges be like, damn, I can't even believe he said this. So they're like, damn, he said this for real. Then they start to listen in. They're like, damn, he really said this shit.

So, like, it is, like, a puzzle, like, everything come together. Like, niggas, like, figuring my shit out. So, once the niggas figure my shit out, they hook. That's what it is, like, addictive. Like, if you got that acquired taste and shit, if you got that acquired taste, like, some shit is going to go and some shit just not. But, like, my shit, and then everybody not going to fuck with my shit, too, though.

Like, everybody's not going to fuck with it. Some people who's not for them. You can't make music like that and expect everybody to fall in line with it, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't expect for everybody to fault my shit. So, you know, I just know what I got to do. And then the people are they going to pick it up or they're not. It's interesting because we're kind of like in this day and age, like with Spotify and

playlisting and everything. It feels like people are just making music that sort of like ticks all the right boxes. Like the sound is very minimal. It's like very like, you know, everybody's rapping over the same sort of trap beats. Everybody's sort of, people don't even seem like ashamed about rapping the most generic shit ever these days a lot of times. And that's kind of like a weird state to be in where everybody is basing their judgment of what good music is on what sells, what you can play in the club, what is accessible by a lot of fucking people. So that's why it really kind of stands out to people when somebody like you comes along who's kind of blatantly making music that you're like, like it's just blatantly not for the masses it's like you might not be able to understand this

and it doesn't matter like if you want to figure it out you're gonna have to decode it and like that level of challenge is kind of uncommon these days yeah that's true but man my shit my shit still be playing in clubs like outside of shit like yeah niggas hit yeah but i mean there's a lot of music that's made like specifically 100% to just fall into those boxes you know like shit has gotten very formulaic in a lot of ways yeah yeah Yeah, no, that's true. And even in rap, a lot of times, like, you'll see, like, a whole generation of rappers

coming from one area or whatever that has the same fucking flow, and they stick with it. And, you know, like, and sometimes that shit passes by, and you don't even really, like, remember? You just sort of forget. Like, oh, remember when everybody was doing the do-da-d-d-d-d-da-da-da-da.

The Pablo. You know, that's what I'm like, entire states where every rapper for a couple years was just fucking with that flow, and it's like, bro, you're not going to ever stand out if you keep doing the same shit everybody else is doing. Thanks, that's another thing, too.

I looked at it. I was like, man, everybody doing the same shit. All this shit sound the same. I got to do some shit that's going to put me apart. But then I was on some shit. I was like, I got to do some shit that's going to put me apart. You know, niggas going to look at it weird, but like, I don't look at this shit I be doing weird. Like, my delivery is just different.

So niggas, like, that's literally all it is. My delivery is different. Like, but my content, like, like, the shit I be saying, this shit that niggas be related. Like, niggas can relate to. And some niggas don't been through. so it's like there's substance behind the shit I'm saying definitely so when you get in the studio

what's your creative process like or what's your mentality like going into that like are you are you mostly like focused on manipulating this sound that you've been playing with for the past few months or whatever or does your brain go in a lot of different directions in terms of what kind of sound you might be willing

to put on a track man really this is what I be doing so shit I'd just be at the crib smoking I'd be listening like Flewell Mac Elton John you know like Mariah Carey and shit

like that's just I'd be listening to and then it just be getting like stuck in my head and shit and then I'd just be like putting shit together like like if I got some shit I've been thinking about I just I just mix it up

so like okay I've been listening to all this shit so that's that's my delivery I'm listening to this shit. So I'm thinking about how I'm going to deliver this shit. Now I'm putting just putting my thoughts of what's really going on in my day or the week, whatever's going on in the week. And now I just put it together. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? I get the influence from like listening to old school shit.

And then I just put it on what's really going on in the world. Like, either what's going on in the world or what I've been going through that week, that day. You know what I'm saying? Right. Putting it together in. So you write or do you just sort of let it brew around in your head before you go in the studio? Yeah, like, I just like, I just be going with, I don't write though. Like, I never wrote because I tried writing when I first, when I first rap, but like, when you write, it's like, I don't know, it's like, it's like you, it's like you, it's like you, it's like you, it's like you, it's like you're, it's not coming out organically.

It's like you forcing it, like, but it's different for me. It was just more different. Like, I'm writing some shit. I'm like, okay. And now I'm thinking about it in my head. And then I'm trying to put it on the beat is not really sounding right. So it's not coming out together.

So I would just like, shit, okay, like, I'm gonna just keep playing the beat. I'm gonna think of some shit. I'm gonna think of, okay, now I got like the first, I got the first two bars. That's what I'm gonna say. Then I just go off the first two bars

and then, like, I'd be punching in the shit. Respect, yeah. That's interesting. Just in terms of how you sort of get to the end. result, you know? So how much frequency are you dealing with in the studio? Like, are you recording, like, five songs in a night, or are you, like, working to really make that one song that you really believe in? Yeah, it'd be, it'd be, uh, I'd probably make, like, two, three

songs a day. Like, when I do record, when I do record, it's some shit, like, I'm focused and shit. Like, I don't just go in the studio and then just be like, oh, I'm going to just make anything. Uh-huh. Like, yeah, it just all come together. I don't be trying to force shit. Definitely. In terms of your visuals and shit, how important is that to you? Is that a big part?

Like, obviously, you kind of came up on YouTube a lot. Yeah, like. How much does that matter to you? Yeah, I mean, it matter a lot because, like, that's my vision and shit. Like, I want people to see my vision and shit. So, like, you know, all my videos directed, like, by me, except for one video, this yoga. Yoga is not directed by me, but on my videos, directed by me. So it's like, it's like an image I'm trying to push, like, a narrative.

I'm trying to push. It's like, you know, like, ludicrous, like, when he was dropping his videos, like, like, ludicrous, the baby, like, they got, like, kind of humor in their videos and shit. Like, like, kind of like a humor storyline and shit. Right. Yeah. Like, that's how I look at it. I make music, man.

Really, like, when I make music, I don't think about it. I don't think about making music for old-ass niggas and shit. Like, I think about making music for children and shit. So, like, that's what I'm targeting. That's interesting, though. Like, have you seen, like, eight-year-old kids that were fucking losing their minds over your shit? Yeah.

Really? Yeah. That's tight. It'd be crazy. Like, yeah, it's definitely for the children, though. But, you know, the children is, like, man, children are like the gatekeepers in this shit. Yeah.

Like, for real. And it's cool to, to, give them something that they can get excited about that isn't like a lot of times I've seen like my friends kids who are you know eight years old whatever I remember I did a Rico reckless interview like a few years ago and his kid was just straight watching take a little pump six nine it's like you kind of worry like is this kid just getting like violence and drug abuse fed to him yeah it's kind of positive to think that they gravitate towards your shit just based off the energy and shit Yeah. Young kids, yeah. Like, young kids gonna fuck with my shit. Yeah. For sure.

That's what's up. It'd be the old heads that be... They just stuck in the past. It's interesting because you... They can adapt. Like, you having all that involvement in your videos and stuff, I feel like that's very much like what an artist kind of needs to be like these days. Because for a long time, a rapper could afford to just be a rapper and then like let the label handle whatever the fuck it's going to look like in the video,

let the label tell me what to wear, tell me what the photos are supposed to look like, tell me what media I'm supposed to do, et cetera. And it's like that in 2020 doesn't really seem all that realistic. Like you're much better off steering your own ship. I'm saying. Got to push the boundaries and shit.

Like that's how I've seen it. I was like, man, I got to push the boundaries, like do something different. Like, oh, oh, it's like, I don't know. Like, a lot of people, like, that's, like, Doug, Doug, for an example. I just use Doug for an example. Like, Doug, like, he's a, he's a mogul, like, with Yassel, like, he put, you know what I'm saying, like.

I see it, like, Doug took a year off, and then, like, that's when Gunner really, like, came up, pop for real. You got keyed under him. like so so that's that's like adding the thug and shit but like you know when thug when thug first came out like niggas niggas wasn't really like niggas niggas was confused like niggas like what's this his sound was so fucking abrasive and it's hard for a lot of people to even remember that when you listen to like his newer albums and shit where it sounds like young thug making big fucking pop songs to a certain extent. Not saying he doesn't make regular as rap songs too, but when he first came out, we were listening to Thug because it was shocking. And you had never heard rap music that

sounded like that, and you had never heard rap music that sounded like he just didn't give a fuck what anyone would think about it. Exactly. So it was like, you know what I'm saying? He was pushing the boundaries. He was pushing the boundaries for real. Like, that's, that's all I see shit for myself, like pushing boundaries and shit. You know what I'm saying? There's going to be moments where people ain't going to understand you. But like, if you, if you, if you, if you, got your vision and like you know what you're gonna do like that shit really gonna impact the world like what thug doing like what thug doing when he first when he first came out you didn't think he was gonna have niggas copying this shit that he'd be trying to do like nobody thought that

niggas like what the fuck is this what is this like nigg was confused now you got hell niggas trying to sound like thug like hell of different shit and the thing that made thug thug was that he wasn't trying to sound like anybody yeah like nobody like who who who who you think you can say thug sound like when he first came out i mean you could see the low wayne influence but he didn't sound like low way he didn't sound like you know like he saw the influence from a few different things and stuff like you could even say like oh you can kind of see like a Gucci type influence obviously like these artists though that like their influence was so big that everybody just had to be influenced by him whether you really sounded like them or not yeah but that's

interesting because a lot of people want to compare you to cardi but i think thug is probably like the better comparison point in terms of like what you're actually trying to accomplish like the the the different pitched voice is not the only thing that you're bringing to the table right yeah like man I got bars in my shit man I'd be saying some real lyrical shit man like see so niggas be trying to compare me to cardian shit like I feel with cardi I think cardi got like like like a style it's like swag it's more it's more of like a swag with it you know what I'm saying Like me Like I got real bars in my shit, man

Like real lyrical shit So I was like Niggas already be trying to do the comparing shit But that's just rap though Like you're always gonna deal with shit Niggas gonna be like You sound like this You don't even sound like a nigga

Like You know what I'm saying But I don't let that shit bother me Because I know what's really going on me So But you know Cardi back in the day Shit, no I never met Cardi Oh okay

A lot I was on FaceTime With a one time though uh olah and then you just ain't foe my shit oh that's dope

have you had a chance to talk to thug at all I feel like thug would be interested in what you doing dude uh yeah nah you should definitely reach out

thug if you're watching this you gotta reach out yeah shut out I would just love to see that actually I'll just like go sit on the couch and we could just have

thug come in here and you guys just talk for an hour I feel like that would be very important content I would love to see what came out of that yeah no thanks

shout out thug why cell Yeah, for sure. It's interesting that I mentioned disco before as like an example of just like, you know, men, you know, making music with high-pitched melodies and vocals and shit. But like you are literally like a disco god in the latest video. Was that intentional at all? Or like how did you end up on that idea? Like what made you want to be this disco guy?

With that, so shit, really I tried to do a flip with Snoop Dog. Snoop Dog's sexual seduction. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, so I try to do a flip. I was just trying to give it like old school shit. That's what, man, that's what really my album is a fun to sound like a live, like a live 2000 R&B project or something like.

Right. Early 90s, like R&B type shit. That's what so. So, yeah, that's, so with the video, you know what I'm saying, we had to go 80s themed. I had to put my fro on. Yeah. Yeah.

That was a fro wig or you just let your shit go? Yeah, I just took my hair out. Yeah? Yeah. Damn. That's legendary. I'm so jealous that anyone who to rock afro. Um, okay.

So did you delete your projects off of Apple music and shit? Nah, after I signed, it just got took down. Oh, okay. So that was like an agreement with the label. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could have kept it up, but really, I, like, if I wanted to push to keep it up, I could have, but I don't know, I just told him to take it down.

Oh, that's interesting. Because I did have, it was like two projects and shit, too. Right. But I don't know. I just, like, that first project was like, I don't know. Like, I didn't want the whole world to, like, try to have a narrative off, like, that project and shit. So I just, I just took it off. Like, when I signed, I just knew what I was. wanted to do like and all this shit I wanted the world here so I got that shit took yeah like I took

it down but interesting yeah because it's like two different mentalities of like letting everybody see how you built to where you're at right now yeah versus not really wanting everybody to see all the work you did behind the scenes basically because like you could you could consider that shit behind the scenes I'm sure there's fans that are not happy about it though but I mean they get still going on YouTube it's not like the shit really is going to disappear ever, right? Yeah, yeah, it ain't completely disappeared. You just got work a little harder. Yeah, you just got to work harder, you know what I'm saying? You don't find my shit on

YouTube. I don't find my show on SoundCloud. Definitely. Okay, and like the FCA Twig song, though, that was an example of, like, you working with people in more like the indie space and shit. Was that somebody you don't want it to work with, or how did you guys end up doing a song

together? Uh, so shit. She had reached out to me. She, she, nah, so, yeah, she reached out to me in like, I think it was like April. She reached out to me. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

This before I signed, yeah, this before I signed, she reached out and she had just started following me or some shit. And then I was already seen, because I've seen some shit she had dropped with Rocky. And like 20, I think it was like 2018, 2019. So I already knew who she was. So I'm coming up and shit. And then she followed me.

I'm like, damn, too he just followed me. I, uh, so I think. I think I had DMJ, I was like, I fuck with you. I was like, I fuck what you are. And then she said the same shit. She was like, she liked what I'm doing. Boom. Gave me a number.

We just started texting ever since. And then I think I posted a snippet to something about you. I already shot the video and shit. Like, I shot the video. And then she was like, she need to get on it. She was like, I need to send her to files and shit. So I was like, shit, say less. And then I sent it to her, and then that's how she got on it.

That's dope. You feel like that kind of thing, like, opens you up? to her fan base or do you feel like her fan base isn't going to necessarily care? No, her fan base definitely added up. Okay. Yeah. And then the people I'm working with, like, it makes sense. It just, it makes sense.

Like, it's not no shit. You're like, what the fuck? Right. Have you had anybody reach out wanting to work together that maybe was a bigger name, but you just didn't really see it making sense in terms of you couldn't imagine yourself on a song with him? Yeah, it was a couple people. Like, yeah, it was a couple, because, like, when I was first coming up, it was niggas, like, it was niggas who I was trying to fuck with, but, like, it was niggas who I was trying to fuck with before I got on.

But, like, I ended up finding out some, like, weird shit about them. So, like, niggas was trying to work with me, but I wasn't just going to work with anybody. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a hell of people I could have worked with that was bigger than me and shit, but it didn't make sense. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm not just going to do something that don't make sense. like just a couple people

like yeah no respect to that could have made some songs with some rats yeah yeah but you know interesting

I'm not I'm not fin to do that you're six nine reached out or is a more low-key rat yeah it's something like that you know

I ain't gonna talk about it but shit yeah interesting you gotta tell me off camera do you know okay what was this oh yeah

this is one conversation I think we should should have it. People want to know is how hard does 6, 4, 5 a.R. turn up. Like, if you were going to chill with a girl, or you're going to the club or whatever, what's your vice of choice? Do you have a vice of choice? Do you do the drinking and the smoking and the getting fucked up that a lot of people do? People want to know. I don't know. I've consumed a lot of your content. I still don't know. Nah, you know, really, me, I try to push positivity, you know what I'm saying? So I'm

push that, you know, I try to tell the kids stay in school, you know, ooh, try to tell the kid you could be this when you grow up, you know what I mean? So, like, I don't really be trying to push the negative stuff. People would be trying to bring negative, like, negativity out of me and shit, but, like, I just, like, man, really, like,

this is how I see shit. Because, like, people be trying to say I'm humbled and shit, but, like, I don't have seen rappers, like, just act on some sadditi shit. So, like, I don't, And then me, I'm down the earth, like, I'm gonna be me. Nobody's gonna make me act different and shit. So like, that's just what it is with me, like, regular.

Like, niggas be trying to have me pop shit. I don't really like popping shit though. Like, I'd be trying to be in the cut, like, yeah. I don't really be going up for real. Like, for real, for real. Niggas, I don't know. Like, niggas think because I'm a rapper, I'm just supposed to be out doing a whole bunch of rapper shit.

I don't, I don't know. Like, yeah. I don't really like rappers for real. So it's like, why would I try to you know what I'm saying do a whole bunch of rapper shit because I'm a rapper

and I mean you see the corny ass part of it when you sort of see so many people that wouldn't have fucked with you before you popped off just sort of flog and have something to do with you afterwards and it's kind of like you sort of realize like the reason why everybody from my area might all rap the same for years

at a time is like the same reason why like you know a dude pops off and they all want to fucking work with them and shit and it's just kind of from your perspective it's like you You have energy that is very important and very valuable. And if you just start spreading it out, you could do a couple of whack features. And then all of a sudden, that energy

that you're carrying around with you, that people can't really take away from you, could just be like dissipated and just useless. Yeah, facts. Yeah, now that's true. Yeah, like people, like, I'd be going out of town. Like, I'd be with my people's and shit. I'd just be chilling in the crib, hotel and shit.

They'd be like, man, why you ain't trying to leave? I just, I'd be chilling, bro. Yeah. Because they want to fucking get the benefits from that. Like, you know, and they get some residual pussy from standing next to you in the club. Might really happen. Nah, and then another thing, like, man, really? Like, because, you know, I'm more than a rapper.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm the CEO. I'm trying to be a basketball player. Like, so it's like, that's how I handle myself. I'm not offender handle, man. Like, it's, like, like, rappers just got a bad stigma to them and shit. Like anybody know that though like rappers would just be targets and shit so like I'm not fin to box myself in as a complete rapper and just do rap shit Like because I don't really I don't see myself like that a lot I see myself as like more than just a fucking rapper like

People man I play ball and shit bro. I'm really fined playing NBA next year man How much do you play shit? I play often I don't play as often as I used to but shit like I'm just getting back into the group and shit like but I do more than rap so I'm not gonna carry myself to just a complete rapper and shit like no definitely yeah like niggas just be trying to like act like whole rappers and shit like it's really crazy well people start to get the rap money and then they think they need to spend it on everything that they think that a rapper spends money on yeah and their time you spend all your time on whatever yeah just don't don't start drinking lean yeah I know I know

It's fun, but it's going to rob you with your spirit eventually. Yeah, I don't like that shit, man. Like, you just be, like, you'd be useless. Yeah. Because I didn't drink me for it. That should just make me useless and shit. Yeah. Why the fuck I want to be on the couch, sleep in the daytime?

Like, and then, even so, like, you got it, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, you can't drink in the nighttime. You can't drink in daytime, say it for the nighttime. But it's like, I don't feel right when I'm on that shit. So it's like, I don't feel right when I'm on that shit. So it's like, I don't, Fuck that shit for real. I need my energy.

Definitely. Man, yeah, I'm more than a rapper, man. Like, because people are going to try to put that rapper stigma and just, oh, you drink Halloween. Oh, you should ditty. Oh, you probably act like Hollywood. But I don't see my own, I don't, I don't put myself in that lane. I'm myself. Definitely.

Respect. When you think about, like, where you want to take your career and shit, what do you feel? like the big next milestone you want to have you want to put out like a project that kind of represents what you're doing right now yeah no that's that's coming out like my project my project is coming out like top of 2021 so that's yeah when i put that out that shit that shit going like you know what i'm saying it's going to impact the industry and shit it's going to impact the game definitely could you give us any sneak peeks or who might be on it with you uh i don't even know I think I should just be surprised because really I so this is a question if you if you

think I'm going to drop a project like what do you what do you think my possible feature is gonna be like just from hearing the shit that you didn't hear like you don't you don't even know who could be on my shit like well one person that came to mind was that I noticed that you were kind of playing with some OJ flows on certain songs like all the songs and I was just thinking like that would be tight if you fucking looped him on that shit yeah not facts yeah nah yeah Because the Gucci collabs too easy. Well, and it's not easy. It's probably expensive as fuck.

But, I mean, I know too many people that have done it. And I don't know. I feel like you brought OJ back out. That would be the hard shit. Hey. Because I was listening to that old... Shut out O.J. That song you do with Bredinsky.

And you're like, Monday through Sunday. And I'm like, I can recognize that anyway. I know you're fucking with OJ. Yeah, nah, yeah. I grew up on OJ. Yeah. A lot of OJ. Well, so who would you put on the project?

Would you go within rap? Would you go within this generation? I don't think so. I think you're too big for that. I would go outside rap, or I would go with like an old school rapper, maybe that you sort of were influenced by that you could do something interesting.

Yeah, like harmonious and shit. That would be tight, yes. That would be dope. We don't give OJ the credit he deserves for really sort of like experiments and with high-pitched rap way before a lot of people. Like when he first came out saying, A. Okay, over a song.

I live in New York, I sort of got that shit was so big in New York and we also couldn't believe that something that like that, that was that weird? It was that big in New York, you know? That's wild. For sure.

I probably, man, shit. I'm trying to get Nause on my project. See? That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, some real lyrical shit. That's when you put the label of the work. Say, yo, go out into the world, get me a goddamn Nause verse. Yeah.

Let's make it happen. Real lyrical shit, man. Me and Nyes are going to go bar for bar. That would be dope. Back and forth? It's over. Nah, for real. For sure.

What's that dance called, your signature dance, that's sort of like you're jumping on one foot and you're sort of flapping your arms. I don't know what the fuck to call. You're talking about the bird dance. The bird dance, right. That's pretty self-explanatory, yeah. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's just like, you know,

just like stretching. Yeah. You do the dance, you're gonna be turned. You do the dance, it's just like you're getting all the bullshit out of your system and shit, like, you know what I'm saying? It's just gonna turn you up. that's what it is like you know different dances make people

feel different type of ways and shit you do my dance you know what I'm saying it's gonna release some stress I fuck with that you ever see the chicken yeah I've seen the chicken you gotta bring that back yeah

they got the chicken noodle soup dance too like I might bring that shit back that's hard too yeah somebody was just playing that for me the other day and I didn't realize like I've seen people doing the chicken over years like in the block boy videos and shit but I didn't realize there was a whole song about it All you ain't know?

No, I did not know the root of it, I gotta admit. Chicken noodle suit with soda on the side. I'll change my whole fucking mind. Play it up. Oh, man. What do you want to promote or like tell people to go fuck with? What's your message that you want to leave the people with? And we, we fin to drop an important project.

This shit is going to be important to the industry, important to the culture. It's going to change the culture. It's going to shake shit up. a whole bunch of shit on the way, man. Projects, you know, I'm trying to, I'm, I'll be orchestrating projects and shit, too, like, artists and shit, like, because you know I'm going to do the label shit, so, like, have my own label shit, like, have artists and shit. But, yeah, it's just a whole bunch of shit, like, man, there's a lot of shit on the way. it's a lot of like moves and works for sure respect man hey i think the people out there

are going to appreciate getting a chance to dig into your brain a little bit more pause uh and just get to know you you know thanks pause 645 a r no jumper yeah coolest podcast on the world check us on youtube sound cloud iTunes like comment subscribe nojumber dot com if you want to support turn up appreciate you man Thank you.