No Jumper - The Abner & Atown Interview: 60 Days In, Bullying, Leaving Gang Life Behind & More

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

Abner & Atown sit down with Adam to talk about their upbringing, rough times in their lives, how they managed to overcome the odds against them, how 60 Days In happened, their anti bullying campaign and more! https://www.instagram.com/therealabne... https://www.instagram.com/atown_0705o... ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I have two people who I'm very, very fond of. We have Abner from 60 Days In and his man's A-Town. Hi. How are you guys doing? It's a blessing. It's truly a blessing. Thank you for having me.

Right, for sure. I mean, I was kind of shocked when I realized that you guys were friends. Yeah. Yeah. Where does this come from? How did you guys connect? It stands more from the getting a second chance. You know what I mean?

Aiton has a little background. He's changing now his ways. He's pushing that no bullying campaign. So we kind of like interact. He's from Philly. I'm from New York, East Coast. So it's kind of like, hey, he's a 60 days in fan. So it was like, it's just chemistry, you know?

Right, definitely. So you guys came together on the bullying tip? Or what was the first conversation like? The first conversation was more like he was doing a live. And he was, somebody said, he's the guy from 60 days in. Right. So then I hit him back and hit DJ Lou up. And we just kind of click.

And I was like, yo, he's, you know, what is he doing? He's like, you know, I would, you don't like people bullying, you know, and I had left social media because of that because I'm not with the back and forth. Like, no, you know, you're going to do something. Do it. Now, don't tag about it. You know what I mean? Right.

And, um, I like. his way, man, I got a soft heart for just, you know, what he was doing. And nobody was listening to him. And I was like, you know what? We're going to do this. You know, I'm going to use my platform and you're going to get together. Help these kids, man, because it all starts from bowling, man. Right. Yeah. Even with me. So even after you kind of blew up and a lot of people knew you from being on TV and everything, you still were getting a lot of shit in the comments that was really made it an unhospitable place for you. Oh, yeah, definitely. It was more. It was more like, even TikTok.

TikTok, in two days, I gained what somebody was gained in a year in two days. So it was like my popularity was there, but the haters was still there. And it was like, you don't know who's behind the bio or whatever. And with him, I kind of had a sauce part with the same thing, like, he was going through it. And it's like, you know, don't do that, you know.

But after the show, it was like, you got a lot of dudes I want to compete. Oh, I was in jail too. Oh, I did 50 years. I did 100 years. Like, come on, man. Like, I killed 20 people. All right, you know, do you.

Go on 600 days in. You know what I mean? Like, but it was like, I just generally did the show to, you know, help people. You know what I mean? Like, you could change. Right. Definitely. So, okay.

Whose life do you think we should dig into first in terms of figuring out how you guys got here today? Well, I think 18. pretty much. Okay. Yes. Tell me a little bit about your early life and how you got here today. My earlier life, we flew here. Okay. We definitely came together as one like, I feel like we like family. Because as we met, it's like family.

Like you could tell by the vibes and the heart touches the heart. Right. So it's amazing. Definitely. So where did you grow up? Oh, oh yeah. I go up in Philadelphia, PA. Okay.

Yes. My background is not perfect because I've been sick a lot. I'm clearly on dialysis right now. Okay. Looking for a new kidney. Wow. Yes, see, the port. Oh, wow.

So you actually have the stuff, I don't know what to call it, but you have... The port. Okay. Yes, dialysis. And also, you know, looking for a kidney. I've been on dialysis for two years. Wow. I have a lot of health conditions, but I'm able to press through.

So, you know, also I want to do bullying anti-bullying campaign because I've been bullied. I almost committed suicide. Really? Almost like just end of my life. And I've been bullied. I almost got killed for bullying. And I see other people have been bullied too. Right.

And people have health problems. They can't stand up for themselves. So that's why I said, okay, let me take a stand. Let me stand up for myself. and God is always with me. But no matter what, you know, God was with him all these years, you know, because he told me his story, background, and it touching me. And I told him, and it touches his heart, touch heart.

So we both came together and said, okay, we're going to do this one. That's why he said second chance in this lifestyle, because a lot of people don't get second chances. That's real. Definitely. So, okay, what was it, when you're going through elementary school and high school and everything like that, What was your experience like?

You dealt with a lot of people being really cruel to you, I'm assuming. Yes, you know, went down to the school board. We got kicked out of the school board because they didn't want to hear what I had to say me. My mom went down. My mom fought for me and nobody didn't want to listen to me. Nothing. Even teachers, even I walked out in classrooms. Even they had to, you know, they even know they had to like, you know, suspend me all this stuff

because I was talking about I was being bad. They like trust in their own. words because they didn't want to listen and when school boys even school boys they even trying to fight for me and stuff so it's like what can we do and I don't know but you know how people how people with people have health problems and all that everything you know um some people be like their parents be like um just go with the flow this go with the flow no stand up for their kids stand up for your children this is for everybody please listen got people who have health problems and the teachers don't want to listen,

everything, please stand up and taking control in a certain situation because that's not right to you, the parent, and everything. So you got to stand up for yourself. Yeah, you've got to get the parents involved because who else is going to really tell the kids that it's all bad to be messing with somebody, you know, like if anything, if you see somebody,

and I'm sure that Admiral grew with me, and hopefully we could get this message across to young people is that if you see somebody who's having a person, hard time going through health problems that, you know, the manly thing is not to give them a hard time or try to make their life worse. If you're a real man, you'll assist them, you'll stand up for them, you'll want to make their life easier. You know, if you look at somebody who is having a hard time, the last thing on your mind should be how you can make their life harder, right? Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Right. Yeah, so that really, like, you know, and also bullying starts at home too.

You know what I'm saying? Everything starts from home. So what they're going through? So bully, so you got a remember kids bully sometimes because they don't have like stuff going on at home so they take anger out on the other people too not knowing that they need help too so sit down talk with them and find out what is wrong you know so we got to take a chance you know what I'm saying saying not to say back in the day was like oh oh come on just annoy it all this and that oh y'all go get no you heard what happened in Colorado with that shooting with the kids dying from bullying right so that's what I'm saying this really got really got it really got to taste in because people are still dying from bullying.

You know? And this is sad. And this is sad. We really got to taking a chance, especially when the kids have health problems. They don't have, they don't know how to stand up for themselves. But I do. And I'm taking the stand for it. I respect it, man. Definitely. And especially now, though, it feels like there's the conversation about mental health is going on

in the media, and it's more of a thing. Whereas when I was a kid, that wasn't a thing. If you were depressed, if you had health problems, et cetera, I mean, it wasn't really a conversation that was being had. I think that a lot of people are getting more open-minded to the fact that just because somebody isn't, like, obviously going through something that if they do seem like they're mentally going through something, that that's something that you should have sympathy for and you should be worried about them instead of, you know, just trying to drag them down, right? Right, because people are just like, you know, and they hit, they got to understand that. with stuff at levels. Like sit down and just talk to them. Right.

Sit down and talk to them or get them help. Definitely. You said you almost killed yourself? Yes. At what age and what was led to that? That was like 13. That was 13. I almost killed myself because there. A lot of stuff was so much part of my health, so much with my health and people bullying me.

And they brought a gun to school trying to kill me. What? Because the way, because the way I am. Like, well, I say the way I am, like, you know, because I'm different from people. didn't like how, you know, they didn't like how I was, not my, how I was. And it was sad because that it hurt, it hurt me because the way they was going about it, they didn't want, like, you know, I had no friends at all. I had nobody. What I had was my mom. And my mom was struggling too. So it's a lot of, the whole round of the world was going crazy. So they, they just wanted just, you know, be, you

stupid and just trying to hurt me. Right. Because, you know, probably there's something happened with them. Like, teenage, I understand teenagers go out, we go through our different changes. But to them, I don't think that's called for. I don't know what happened in their household, but I don't know is that I was trying to make sure I thought

everything was trying to be right. But to them... When did you, when did things start to get better? When did you start to get more confident? And, like, because when I see you now and I see you on Instagram and everything, you seem like you've really kind of left a lot of that stuff in the past where you've gotten a lot more confident you can make

Instagram videos just talking and having fun and entertaining all these people when did you start to feel like you made it past all that stuff um when i found when god talked to me that's the thing when god talked to me because you know god was with me all through these years and people say god's not here he is here he hold my hand i really felt his spirit walking through me to the straight path of success wow that's amazing when did that happen years ago and to now. Okay.

How old are you now? 28. 28. Okay. Amazing. So how did you start getting a following on social media? It just happened.

Like one day, it just happened. It just, you know, I was just being my normal doing natural stuff and the people

were hurting around cities and start coming up like, oh, yeah, oh yeah, you're the famous bull for fun. Like, I didn't know. I was famous.

Right. I was looking for jobs. And I didn't know I was famous. And I said, I try it. And boom. Right. It must feel pretty good that the same stuff that made people make fun of you when you were in school is the same stuff that has made you famous. You know, like now your personality is the reason why all these people know you.

You're motivating people. You're making people who maybe were in the same situation that you were in when you were young and in school. You're showing them that they're not alone, that there's other people who go through this. But then you're also doing quite well for yourself from putting yourself out there. I think it's kind of a beautiful thing. Thank you. I try. You know what I'm saying?

I thank the Lord every second I get, because I could have been dead a long time ago because of my health. But every chance I get, I think the Lord. But let me talk and let me share stories and his stories and, you know, all throughout the history of life. Because this is a blessing and amazing. So I can cry right now because I just think the Lord that he's been pushing me all. to the top. Wow. That's beautiful. Thank you. Um, so okay, Abner, uh, can we talk a little bit about your early days in terms of, uh, you know, probably most people seeing this have seen at least a good chunk of, uh, you on the show and everything. Right. I felt like you didn't fully on the show

go into depth about what the early parts of your life were like, but I'm super curious. Can we talk a little bit about that? We're going to throw some, uh, some, um, some, uh, dialogue. in there that wasn't on the show or on the book. My life was hard, man, coming up. I grew up poor. I'm the youngest of six. Where out exactly? Brooklyn, New York, Puerto Rico, upstate New York.

Wherever we got evicted from or we didn't have money. My mom ain't had money to pay for the light gas. Single mother, you know, no job. Just on, you know, social services. Where it fair? I grew up poor. And with poverty comes anger, you know, and with anger comes violence. And just like he said, I used to get bullied, and bullies create monsters.

Like, you just don't wake up one day and say, I'm going to be a three-time felon and just shoot 12 people, leave some of them crippled, like, real talk, you know. And it was just from childhood. And I remember one day I was in school, and they took my sneakers. I had a brand new pair of Jordan worked all summer for them. And some bullies took them and threw them on the roof. Like, you know, they thought it was funny. But like a year after that, I already had, you know, committed violent acts,

like real violent acts. Those same bullies would walk across the street when they saw me. So in my mind, I'm thinking, like, they respect violence. Like, they don't respect God, the Bible, let's be nice. Like, they respect gully. So I was like, you know what? This is the move then. This is how I'll take a whole block.

This is how I hustle violence. Like, I'm more crazier than you. Like, you know, and people talk. Now it's like a culture, you know, but when I was young, I had broad daylight shootings. Like, I had people lick at me, five people and me get out the car, not run, get out the car and handle it. Like, people don't.

realize how that lifestyle is. If you're not ready to go handle it and you're going to just run or whatever or you're going to be the op, then you shouldn't do it. You should stay at school, do what you got to do, because social media has people brainwashing. When I was

young, it was just like MySpace coming up. It was not like... It was mostly shit you were dealing with in real life. You would see somebody on the blog, but they didn't have this internet presence where they could disrespect their enemies and all this stuff. It's a little bit more insulated, you know?

Oh, now it's like another, another world. And I just kind of like, from my childhood, I was 16, I went to prison, you know, and I did what they call a county life three years. You can't do more than three years when you're underage. Right. So I did three years, came home, you know, I shot, you know, and I could talk about it. I mean, I've been sentenced for it. I shot two people, you know, like, and people kind of like.

That's why you went in when you were 16? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so people kind of like, well, you know, you sure have been like that or whatever. You don't have sometimes a choice. Like, you're brought into that, you know, and I believe people can make it out of there because being young and race has nothing to do with it. A lot of people blame race or you could be gully any race.

Like, it's just the savagery in your mind, like who I'm going to be today when I wake up. Right. But I woke up every day, like, you know, today I might get killed. Like, you know, today I might die. Like, every day I woke up, like, yeah, somebody's going to try to kill me today. So I have to be almost like military mode. Right. Yeah, because, I mean, there's like a lot of rappers that I pay attention to in New York City right now in particular.

And some of them are like 18, 19 years old, et cetera. And they are running around, you know, on Instagram live, pulling up to people's neighborhoods, different projects and stuff, like where their enemies are from. And they're on Instagram Live, which makes it even crazier than whatever you were doing at that time because he's literally, they're creating a blueprint, a document for if the police want to follow up on this. And it just makes me feel like this is like a sickness that has, like, infected a lot of young people. And I see how social media is making it so much worse. Obviously, just going and shooting at people on the other side of town that you don't get along with is all bad regardless.

But when you have people documenting on social media and people going on each other's stories and talking about smoking on your dead cousin and all this shit, I mean, it just amplifies this tension so much. And you see young high school kids on their Instagram stories who are reveling in it and loving it. And this is like their culture in a way. And they're just embracing it in a way that when I look at what I was dealing with or the rappers that I was looking at when I was young, it just has gotten a lot more extreme. Yeah, there's no sympathy. There's no, it's basically pull out the phone before you even call 911. Let's get the footage. Like, cloud chasing has become a phenomenon.

Like, it's incredible what it, what people would do for likes, for comments, for, like, I don't care about none of that. I can walk down out of here, walk down Boulevard. People recognize me. But I do it because they know it's a message. I don't do it because the cloud chasing. it's like OG once told me you can't be a hustler and a gunner. You're going to have to pick one.

You can't be a hustler and a gunner. So you can't be a rapper and a thug. Which one you're going to be? Because you're going to meet the real one come down the line. If you're going to be a thug, you're going to meet that real dog. And people just kill people nowadays just to get a name.

Right. And they don't care they're in jail. Because once you're in jail, then you're going to realize 10, 20 years down the line, you're forgotten. Like your story was on Instagram on social media. Yeah, you was the man. You're gone now. But then you just go away.

You're gone. And everybody forgets and you come home 20 years later and the whole world has moved on, not just once. They moved on 20 times since then. And you hear stories a lot about that about people who are in the mafia or in different gangs who they come home after doing their 20, 30 years, thinking that they were doing the manly thing

by standing on their shit and they come home and nobody gives a fuck. And nobody who was associated with them, before even wants to give them a couple thousand dollars to get on their feet or anything like that yeah it's true and young people are just so caught up in the drama of being in that environment and and wanted to flex and wanted to be this this sort of superhero image that they'll just do things that will get them thrown in jail for decades you what it is you got a lot of civilians playing thugs so it's like sammy the bull right people call him a snitch and why is he still alive you know why

because the civilian ain't going to do nothing to him. Like, you're not just going to see him face to face and violate him. He's who he is. He's a killer. Regardless of how you look at him. So you got civilians now playing roles in the street. Or I'm this, I'm not, you know, I'm a rapper.

I'll do this. I do that. I went to jail. Like, you had, once you go to prison, you check your guns in at the door. So if you don't know how to be a man about a situation in prison, which is why it was easy for me to handle show like 60 days in because I've been around real killers

bunk with them, three life sentences when you're coming home, natural death is on their release date. Right. Like, you're not coming home. Definitely. So take me back to the mentality that you had when you were 16 and you got locked up for shooting two people.

You get locked up. You're going through the process of getting sentence and everything. Are you still feeling like, fuck it. Like being tough is the most important thing. When you're not accepting that you've done something wrong or that you need to change your life? Because usually it comes down later. Like mid-20s and shit

is when people seem like they start to realize that this isn't what they want to devote their life to, right? Yeah, my mid-20s, I spend on my day seven years in the feds. But you get this mentality either two ways. Either you feel remorse and you're like, I'm not doing this no more. You could go to jail for an hour and say, I'm never going to jail again.

Or you could go to jail for 10 years. and say I'm never going to jail again. My first time was more like, this is it. This is who I am. Like, I could make money in an hour and I could protect the block. That's my block.

You're going to do what I say. You're not doing, you're not hustling on my block. Like, you felt like almost like you had a piece of real estate in the hood. So it was like, all right, I went to jail, came back home, that's still my block. So even if you shot someone, because of repercussions of the street

because people are going to hate on you and in the street it's not like social media you're not going to sit there and text they're going to come at you like you know whatever and that's where the envy comes from but with me it was more like this is all right it's normal

like I saw all my friends shoot somebody and kill somebody so it's like yeah this is this is normal right it's almost like you don't even understand it Like, you, it's embedded in you. Like, this is what it is. You hustle and it's violence and that's it.

Jewelby, cars, go to clubs, whatever, guns. Like, it was normal, like having a bin full of guns that you buy off the street. It's not normal, you know, and now I realize it. And it honestly makes me think about when I watch documentaries about, you know, the Middle East and Afghanistan, you see 15-year-old kids out there with fucking machine guns and they're ready to die for their religions slash their, you know, political identity. And you think, like, I mean, that's fucked up. But those people are coming from a circumstance where they really got no other choice.

When you look at what it is to be an American, even if you grow up in the hood in America, it's like you would just hope that people would not make those decisions. But it feels like so many young people, they really like, it's when you're young and your identity is in question. And you could go either route. And if you keep being indoctrinated and having these ideas put into your head that you can justify your manhood through violence, that could very easily end with you becoming, you know, not a monster, but somebody who's willing to do monstrous things. Yeah, no, I honestly do believe that a father figure plays a big part. You know, I didn't have really a father figure. My mom, you know, my pops was here and there, but it's not like it wasn't like a constant, like a, you know.

You know, you get a whoopin for doing this, doing that. No, it was like my mom saying, my kid's a good kid. No, your kid is a savage. He's not a good kid. You know, my mom goes to church and, you know, all her life, you know, he's a good kid. Nah. She was in denial. No, he always is in denial because your mom's always going to love you, you know.

But the streets become your father figure. Right. So you wake up with a discipline every day. I got to have this on. I had to go here. I really can't associate with that dude because he's with the ops. It's almost like chess.

Every day you wake up. So the wrong move, either get you in jail or dead. And a father figure plays a lot. And there's a lot of kids that social media is becoming their father. These rapists that are sitting in the mansion, milling it,

are becoming their father. Nah. That's not what it is because they're not out there doing the real, the real violence, the real life, that lifestyle. They're just singing about it. Yeah.

And they kind of, like you say, with the kids in the Middle East, these are kids in the middle hood or in the middle of burbs. They're getting brainwashed by what they see. Yeah. Just like the one lucky-ass dude out of 100,000, who's able to make it out of that environment. And maybe he was in a gang or he was involved in violence and stuff. You know, he finds himself in the position where he's very talented and he's able to make a career for himself musically.

But then a lot of times that doesn't stop them from basically using their platform to sort of egg on a lot of the behavior. And a lot of times then you'll see a rapper who's famous, rich, living in a mansion. But then meanwhile, their brother got killed in the streets because they can't get to him. And then his cousin gets killed. And like, you see this over and over and over. And it's just like a really sick cycle at a certain point. And it's not even only that. You got rappers, like, literally doing dumb shit.

Like, why are you even doing that? No, I was doing this and I was with this. It's guilty by association. But you can't be a millionaire, be around your bodyguards, be around the police, be around your managers, and then just say, well, I'm going to hang with this set because I'm this set. You're not that set.

Those people eat that set. They live that set. walk that set. So you're not. So these kids get infatuated by, well, he's this because he's that. He's that. He's that, you know, he's crib or he's blood or he's that because he's that. No, this guy sitting in the mansion and you sit there and do something stupid and end up in jail, end up in the news and on social media. And now you clout chasing to the fullest. Because that's the biggest cat, the clout chasing on top. And people do that now. There's. So, Sometimes, like, man, if you gave me that platform, man, I can help out a lot of kids.

Yeah. You know, like, give them the real talk. But, okay, so you get locked up at 16. And would you say, because obviously there's got to be a lot of stuff that's just bad. Like, you got to fight, you got to eat shitty food, you know, you got to sleep on the schedule. But was none of that was, did that really bother you? Or was it just, it didn't bother you enough to make you want to turn away from what you were doing at that time? This is the, this is the thing.

You'll have people that. go to jail and cry, right? I just literally laughed at it. I went in front of the judge, like, smirk, like, whatever. What? Listen, my public pretending next to me, like, listen, man, you need to give me probation and certain. Like, this is my first felony.

And I already know this. My mind is already programmed to the system, but it was like a joke to me. So I wake up and you discipline to it. They're going to give you this food. They're going to give you that. You know, you get, you graduate. It's almost like a learning camp.

So the O.Gs are coming. Hey, youngster, you can't be really doing this. Like, you got to do it like this. It's like, okay, so do it like this. Oh, you don't want me to hang with better files. Okay, so they're the bottom of the, you learn. And quickly, I adapted to, all right, I got this. So this is all you got to do.

Eat, shit, and sleep for shooting somebody? I'm good. Like, you know, and, and, you know, and, and, you, and, and, you, and, and, and, you, and, and, and, and, and, and, your mind, that's how you think is normal. You know, it's weird. I don't know. I guess either you're built for it or you're not built for it because I see celebrities and rappers that go to jail cry. I could tell by looking at them, you cry. You're not built like that. Because when you're going and getting locked up and you're comparing that to just being on the block, it might not seem that much worse. But if you're a celebrity and you're used to live in a million dollar

existence and then you get logged up. I mean, this is a very big difference like from the shit that you're used to in your day to day. To the fullest. Like, once you get your head shaved upstate and you get your bedrope and you take a shot with 10 dudes,

hurry up, you got three minutes. Keep it moving. Ain't no, let me get a towel, I got a hide or no. No, you're a manhood. You're a man. Now you're going to see if you're tough or not. And if you take people from that environment of I need a manicure, pedicure

to a, nah, ain't no nail clipper on the block. Like, no, we don't have one. You got to get your ID, go see the CEO to go get a simple nail clipper. Meanwhile, you got a whole pedicure and manicure. Like, your whole life is going to change. Like, either you change or, you know. So you get out after those three years

and did you feel like you were viewed completely differently by the people in your neighborhood? Like, you got that respect and that just made you worse? Yeah, you get them strutely. Off the rip, you get them stripes. And it was like, when I came home, you know, here you go, your homie, buy your pair of sneaking. Yo, you're good.

You need work. Here you go, you know. You kind of get this love that's false and you think it's real. Like, yeah, this is my family. Meanwhile, Mom Duke's who's the only one that was there for me while I was in the county. You know, little girlfriend skipped on out. Really? And it's like, you're thinking like, all right, now I got this.

because such and such got this block, he got work, he got weight. Now I can roll with them because they know if you push my buttons, I'm gonna do something to you. And people, it's kinda weird because when you're on the street and you doing stuff like that, they'll deny you, you know, royalties to work. Like, nah, I don't got nothing, man. I don't know what you're talking about. They literally, you know, you become like a bully.

Like you just did the most selfless thing by going and doing this time. and obviously you could have told, you could have put a whole bunch of people in, but then you come home, and they don't even got the time to give you a little bit. They're just fully in selfish mode, right? Right, you know, and then you pretty much learn from that, and I gradually started learning after that,

then I went to the feds after the three years. What did you get locked up? And how long were you home, and then when did you get locked up for? I'll tell you what, from 19, from 1999, no, no, From 1990, when I was six, around 16, 18, from 1990 to 2009, I never saw a full cycle year. Wow. So it was always three years, eight months, boom,

I shot home me, he didn't come to court, boom, charges drop, I just beat that attempted murder. All right, come home, bang, got caught with work. Your Honor, it was in my house, I don't live there, boom, okay, drop, you know, and you six months, eight months, a year, two years, seven years, And then when you look at it, you're almost 40, you're like, hey, man, my life just, man, I'm almost 40.

Right. I'm still doing it. My kids hate me. Like, I've been absent. Like, I'm really a dirt bag. Had you not thought about all that throughout the time that you were locked up and stuff? Like, how many times did you thought about turning away from this life? It just, it was such a part of the identity.

It didn't even occur to it. It even occurred to me. It was almost like, all right, I got to. these ratches at home, I got this work. Yeah, when I go home, I'm just keep doing it. Right. And even if you have that little bit attachment to your past, you're still going to be doing it, that lifestyle.

So it was at the end where I decided to stop. And it was with me, it was more like, people call it a miracle, people call it a moment in your life. Nah, it's not hard to go out and kill somebody and go do life. It's not. it's the consequences you live with that in your conscience. I didn't have a conscience. Now I have a conscience.

So it was my last time I was in prison that a seal gave me a Bible. This is written. I wrote a book on it, came out on a Christian broadcast network, all that. I've done above and beyond. I just got an award from a councilman. I mean, my life changed. But it wasn't because just miraculously, I had. grew wings and now I'm in God.

You know what I mean? Because people got this misconception about being godly. You'll never be like Jesus Christ. No. You can never be. You know what I mean? And who did Jesus Christ walk with? Prostitutes, criminals, murderers. Saul was Paul was Saul, murderer. He decapitated Christians, you know, thousands of them.

So you kind of think, you know, when I was in prison, the CO gave me a Bible. I was in solitary, confined. I was doing a year, full year. No girl, no visits, no nothing. No packages. Straight, showers, Tuesday, and Thursday, if the CEO felt like it, a full cycle year in the box. Playing with little mice, playing with little crickets that randomly came in the cell.

That was the most fun that you had? Man, like, your mind just, you know, and the book cart comes, CEO don't like you, keep it rolling. Wow. You can't even read that. So one day, CEO gave me a Bible. And that day I was feeling real suicide. title like man like i hit rock bottom like i'm like man i ain't got nothing i'm almost 40 my kids hate me

you know they grown already they got kids and it's like man where i've been you know so that CO gave me a bible and now i had quiet time so i started reading the bible like man this pastor was lying about that because the bible says this and he kind of preached about it like this but Nah, it ain't like that. Because he's saying if I'm imperfect, God's still going to like my imperfection. But you don't like it because I got tattoos because I cursed because I was in jail

because I'm a felon. God should not judge. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I came about and I found a lot of truth in it at a moment that I felt suicidal. You know, I was like, you know, let me just go around

the heater and hang myself. And I decided, you know, before I left prison, one of the CEOs told me, you'll be back. And I heard that a lot. I used to hear that all the time, like, you'll be back. But I still remember that one CEO that gave me that Bible, and I was giving them a hard time. Because regardless, even like the TV show, Race, Place part.

Big time. That was a lot. That's one of the main things I learned from that shit. Man, yeah. So you know, if I know, you know, we're cool. So I was giving the CEO a hard time. time, but that he was treating me like, but it dawned on me that he was a man of God. He was, and I was, you know, with the cocktail bombs, you know, you know, getting him a hard time

in the box. What's a cocktail bomb? Cocktail bomb is a little poop and a little urine. Oh, Lord. We call it jankham. Oh, right. And I gave him a hard time, but he was still cool with me. Like, I knew he didn't tap it with my food.

He would give me extra food. man, this dude, it's not my race, but he's cool. What is it about him? He was a man of God. When you look at yourself at that time, you feel like you were full-blown racist? Like, do you really, like,

you didn't want anything to do with white people, black people? No, I... It was, if there was in the clique, my gang, fine, because you already know. Sometimes in New York, it doesn't really matter. It's kind of inseparable, yeah. Yeah, if you're that, you know.

If you blue, you're blue, you red, you red. And, um, or if you go, you go. And, um, I was, it brainwashes you to a way like to hate people. And it's crazy now because my phone now is full more of white people than my own people. And white people encourage me and help me more than my own people. It's crazy because, and it's not because of the race. It's because I chase positivity now.

So I attract positivity. So a lot of people that reach out to me is not the same, but a lot of them that are doing the same thing in the street, I can't really do that, you know, but prison does play a part into like this embedded hate. Like, yo, man, yo, he's racist. Look, he's got the guillotine on tattoo on his arm. You hear like these conspiracies from inmates. Like, nah, he doesn't look like that, you know, because this guy gave me extra food and I'm giving him a hard time.

What are you talking about? Like this guy, you know, and I realize now he's a man of God. He didn't look at race. And that CEO, you know, and I know him, you know, he's not out there. He's older now. He's retired. And I was, but he basically, God used him to reach out to me like, hey, man, I got a message for you. It's not about this.

It's not about that. So I don't look at people like that no more. I look at you as who you are. What, you know, I have a compassion. Before, meanwhile, I could just shoot somebody in the leg, go home, eat fruity pebbles, and watch TV like nothing happened. You know, my mom's like, you got something on your boots. Oh, that's nothing, Mom, I'm good. Right.

Like, you know, now it's like I look at people because of the character and what they want to do. So if you're pushing this, what you're doing this behind closed door, you, you know, you false. Right. You know. But it must have been really hard for you to leave. Do you have to formally leave your gang or how do you go about sort of separating yourself and changing your life? This is how I look at it. And this is why I say to anybody.

And people ask me that question a lot. There's no excuse. Nobody has a gun to your head saying, yo, you got to be this, you got to be that. Stop it. But when you're expecting, you're no more use. Like, now I'm talking about God. I'm walking around with a Bible.

Like, they're kind of like, oh, is he smoking, sorry? Like, what's wrong with him? Like, you know. And they kind of just leave you alone. It's the mental. Yeah. It's the mental.

But you still have to. to watch because if you do something and you did something, they're never going to forget. So if you gas somebody's cheek and you cut them, they're not going to forget you. They're looking in the mirror every day. He did that to me. He, I hate him. If I ever see him, so you have to at the same time be like, so I left the gang just left. When I left prison, I had 30 days.

I'll never forget. My man had just got killed, right? And I had a contract for my head. True story. A lot of people, people that know me know. And my right hand man got body. So when I came home and I found out about it through a haircut, I'm like, yo, what happened is such and sir? Oh, he killed such and sir. So I'm like, wait a minute. And I had asked God, I'm trying to change, but I got enemies. So when that happened 30 days before I came home and now I'm home now, I'm like, I don't have no worries now. I really don't have no immediate threats. I'm just going to get a job And I got a job Where did you start doing? I started doing

Species So it's a demolition It's the only job You really can get Hey you know Sniff some cancer But it paid good It paid good

And I had a little hootty A little Honda I pushed it And sold my jewelry Bought the cars I was like I can't do it I had to start

I started listening To my parole officer I didn't That was your enemy For years And Man And here we go again with the, which is crazy.

He even released me and told the boy let him go. That guy's changed. I never seen it. He said he retired. I was his last client. He said, I've never seen anybody accomplish what you accomplish. And I know it's real. And a lot of people be like, well, you know, my parole officer used to be like,

a lot of these guys talk about they're real, but they're really snitching. They snitch on parole violations. So I was like, he ain't lying. He can't be lying because once again, this guy's a man of God. You know, and God put him in my path. And I started listening to him, you know, and he was the worst. No, yo, that P.O. He's going to have you in jail in 30 days.

He's no good. So I was like, you know what? Let it be his will. So I started listening to him. And I was like, can I get this? He gave me paperwork to go get a job. Boom, got the job. He's like, hey, you should do this.

I started listening to him more than people on the street. And I got the construction job, the demolition. I wasn't even an especially supervisor, so I know how to do all that. And I found a trade that I could just, you know, and from there I started going to church, just left it alone. Like, just stood away from those people that was doing this thing. And it was easy for me to spot them. So you actually were able to leave it alone?

for the most part. It didn't really like follow you. I feel like for a lot of people, they try to get out the game. Yeah, I relocated. I relocated. I relocated. I relocated. I live in the birth now. I relocated. You know, my neighbors are federal agent. Like, my neighbors are totally different now. Like, I live on acres. God has blessed me. Like, my life totally changed.

Right. Like, but I understand now that it was the positive choices I made. It had nothing to do with, you know, and the system, yes, and he's fixing. but it's an individual choice. Right. So you get up every day if I'm going to do something or if I'm not. It's your choice. Yeah.

Like some people make it seem like, no, I have to. You have to what? Go shoot that guy five times in the head and be on the news? No. Yeah. You could just walk away from it. Hey, man, you good, man. Right.

Like now I know how to deal with altercations and people. I'm real good with even if I go to a, Walmart and I run into a carrying or something. Like, hey, you know, now you're good, man. No, no problem. Go ahead. You could go in front of me. I think about that a lot how when I was younger,

I would just escalate a situation. You know, we'd have security guard, because I grew up riding DMX bikes, and we'd be riding some rail at a college, whatever. And all of a sudden, you have a security guard kicking you out. And I mean, we used to just really push the issue and just fuck with them, make fun of them, give them a hard time, et cetera,

when this is just a guy doing his job. Yeah. And when I think about it, like, We never really had like that bad at situations, but we used to escalate shit in situations where we really didn't have to. And now if a security guard comes to kick us out when we're riding our bikes on something, I'm like, my bad, bro. We'll be out of here.

You know, we keep a professional move on as quick as possible. When you're a young hothead, I mean, it's a lot harder to make that move. Yeah, no, you, you, you, violence kind of gets you a rush when you're young. Yeah, it definitely do. It definitely do because I was dead. I don't did some dumb stuff. You get an adrenaline rush. Yeah, I've been in 302.

You got locked up as well? I've been in 302. Is that a prison, I'm assuming? Crazy house. Crazy house. Who'd you hurt? I didn't hurt nobody about to, but they, until they thought because of my health, they thought I was insane, but I wasn't.

But I was in there for two weeks, and it ain't fun in there. Wow. Because I, I said, I've been bullied, and I was going to take advantage. That was in high school, I was going to try and stab somebody. Whoa. because I got tired of it so I'm tired of taking advantage of my own situation. But they caught you

before you were able to? Yeah, they called me before I able to so they sent me to the crazy house. First they send me to the holding cell then as you know they said me to the crazy house so they said they let me off go. That's what I said God. It's always around. See, God was around him and God was around me because

I could have had a record but God said no and they said that if he does it again then he'd get locked up But, you know, there for two weeks, see how validate me, everything, tested me, all this stuff. And they know they found out he was, like they said, bully. He's been bullied and everything. So in that case, my mom was yelling at me. So you better thank God that you could have been something worse, everything, all that.

I said, Mom, at the time, I didn't care about, you know, when she was talking. I was just wanting to just want revenge. Like you said, we're kids, we just want to do dumb stuff. but as I get older we got older we started to realize you know what life takes to us and takes control of certain situations

I feel it that's good I'm happy you didn't get locked up that would have been terrible yeah and if I got it locked up I don't think I would be famous as I was because I think I still have been the record and still be doing this the one of the stuff you know

A lot of rappers get locked up and makes it more famous you might want to still consider it before that was before that was before Before all that. That was before the fame. That was saying. I was saying. I was before the fame.

So I was like, you know, that was like I was like 16, no, 17. When that happened, I was in 11th grade, you know. I got tired being born. So I tried to take advantage of my own situation instead of handling it the right way. So I was trying to do this. And this is what I'm saying. Please don't take advantage to, you know, in your own situation

because I can end up, you know, backfired. Might as well do it the right way. no it's not no telling so stop telling no it's just protect yourself because you don't want to end up hurting yourself or hurting somebody else in the process and and and and when you do that you put yourself in danger and your in your whole life and you could accomplish something that you could accomplish but that stopped you for what you're doing that's what I said please stand up don't take a don't try to do that somebody because it's crazy somebody's trying to do the same thing thing I did, but they got locked up.

Oh, really? Yeah. They were trying to do the same thing. I did, but they got locked up. And everybody was questioning, like, how do you? The people was questioning, like, a lot of people was questioning me from my school, because I was just talk as a school. A lot of people was like, hey, Tim, how come you didn't get locked up? I said, I don't know if he got or something. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I had this one person from kindergarten, me and him grew up, and then

it was DJ or something. He was talking to me, and he said, hey, you almost did. Like, he really had a personal conversation to meet him out. you almost, first, I didn't go out. First, I didn't believe him at all. He said, you almost there. You almost there. You got it. I see something in you, you almost there. I didn't believe him. None at all. Until he said that, until it actually happened, I said, wow. I'm like, wow. He ain't lying. Like, you know what I'm saying? People will tell you, you know, that some things to your face that you're not going to believe. You know what I'm saying? And until it actually happened, you'd be looking like, how this person knows?

You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, you know, it's how you're, it's how you. you carry yourself and how you do. You know what I'm saying? His life went to a crazy experience. He has all his stories a lot. And it astounded me because that, you know, he changes his life around. And it amazed me because he's not trying to go back to that situation.

How much time have you guys actually spent together? Like, what do you guys do together? Like, I understand you became cool, but it's interesting. If I saw y'all walking out of the street together, I would be like, wow, that's a couple of these dudes. We ended up going the other day to Nickelodeon. Yeah, Nicolian. Wow.

To Nickelio. That's what I'm talking about. Just any random place seeing you two together would be great. And people are like, yo, these guys are like. Yeah, people like, oh my gosh, that's at. Like night and day, you know. But he has a, my thing is he's a good guy. He means well, you know.

He doesn't mean harm. He means well. So that is kind of like what? what I like about him. You know, like, he's no harm. He's good, he's a good dude. But does any, did people ever say shit to you on the street that kind of brings you back to how you felt when you were in high school in terms of, you know, them? Maybe they aren't like, like, full on bullying you, but they might mess with you a little too much or say something to you that you don't like.

Like, does that bring you back to that way that you used to feel? The people that used to bully me, they come up and see me, oh, Aiton, you're famous, how you kid? Yo, Aiton, I'm so proud of you. I'm looking like, don't be about me on now. Like, did you congratulate me when I say good morning to you? No, but some people, I'm going to be honest, they're not here. They did. I don't know how it happened, but they did.

God bless their souls. Are you trying to tell us something right there? You don't know how it happened, quote on quote. You sending out a hit's eight town? No, I'm not. I'm saying, God bless their hearts. Like, you know, as we grow up, you don't know what they, you know, after high school, you don't know what they life like you know what I'm saying

after they done after high school you do your own thing basically right so you don't know they do something wrong and all that stuff you hear about people getting shot oh I know that but how you get shot yeah no I think about that I'll see somebody like who used to mess with me in high school or something and all of a sudden they're dead from an overdose and I'm just like like you know that's just like I don't want to like clown anybody's experience or whatever but it's like damn this is the dude who made me feel bad at

on myself when I was in high school. I thought he was just a waste on it, bro. Damn. You could have died 10 years ago, and it would have been the same shit realistically. Yeah, because I know this guy, one of the person I grew up with, he's dead now.

Somebody killed him. I'm so sad they did that to him. But, you know, but hey, his life, you know what I'm saying? I can't judge how his life was, but I don't know is that, you know, he was motivated by me doing this stuff, but they killed him because he did,

something wrong, but God bless us heart. For sure. I do want to ask, how did you decide to get into law enforcement? I would think that would be impossible after what you had been up to. Yeah, no, well, I'm a chaplain. So it kind of what we do is we go to hospitals.

It's like we don't pray to a certain religion. We just pray to a higher power. So like chaplains, they help and volunteer. Like I went to Maria, Puerto Rico. So my island and I was there two weeks, mosquito bites, you know, like, I took my brother the generator. He had no power.

We slept at the local college, like, took showers into, like, chaplain is a little different. Oh, okay. In New York, the chaplains, they do the funerals and the weddings for, like, NYPD, but they're not exactly like. I just knew that most of the people on 60 days in when I remember, I forget exactly what they said in your intro, but a lot of people were military or former police police and shit like that. I was the first criminal in 60 days in history period to this day.

Like that's crazy. You went in there with a totally different energy because so many of the people even on, because your season is the only one I've seen, but a lot of the people were real, real square. And it was like, I'm watching it like, bro, it's like so hard for me to believe that this guy's locked up. It was all repetitive, the CEO, the cop, the, you know, the ex-drug addict, you know. So it was like, all right, we're going to have. have the ex gang bang and you know criminal yeah so it was like but how where was that for you to go into that environment and have to basically act as if you were the thing that you were uh however many

years ago well for me it's been like 10 years right okay so you feel very separate not even a ticket nothing you know so i'm minding my own business 60 days in comes along hey you want to go to jail for 60 days in we'll give you a couple grand you know how they get in touch with you through um i had a Facebook and the Facebook had like 10 followers. So I get a random like media, whatever. I'm like, man, this has got to be fake. Oh, could you sign an NDA? You know, like, what?

Who are you? Well, we can't tell you yet to you sign. So I'm like, what do you mean? Like, I don't even know if you were to poll least or what are you. My mind is like, if you told me this, I would be like, it's a scam. It's a scam. You know how social media you get a, oh yeah, you're going to verify tomorrow. Yeah, give me 100 bucks.

There's a million ex-game members they could be hollering at too. So that just would seem like an unlikely way for them to- Not me. It don't happen to me. Everything's bad luck in my life, you know. And they came about and, you know, Greg Henry, the producer, the executive producer, good dude, millionaire. You know, like, and I was like, man, like, me?

Like, really? Like, I felt like I hit lottery. Like, any ex-gang member or ex-conning the street that you would ask. and you tell them to do something like this, most likely they would do it. Maybe some of them are a little more harsh. But it was like, all right, you know, it makes sense. So I started watching the other seasons, you know, old ones,

because I was never familiar with the show like that. And I was like, there's no criminals on here. I'm like the first one, like, all right, so, you know, what's your story? You know, they do background, you know. And, of course, if you got sexual crime, whatever, you're not going to be around, women, staff, whatever. And they do a full background. They came back.

You ever kill anybody in Puerto Rico? No, that's not me. You know, go back and check that back. So a murder is too much for them? Like, if you kill someone, then they won't fuck with you? Well, I have charges that were pending that were attempted murder back in the days. Yeah, they still show up, but, you know, it was just attempt to murder. Well, I mean, no, not.

You know what I mean? Right. But it was like, when I spoke to them, they were like, you know, we'll do this. We'll accommodate you. I'm like, well, you know, I kind of like don't live like that no more. Well, you know, so when I went in, it really hit me when I hit them oranges. Like stripped down, you know, like, man, I've got no control now. Because this guy doesn't know.

This CEO that's checking me doesn't know. So when I went in, it was like, I felt like, man, now it's prison mode. Like, you know, and I had my brother, you know, he's older than me. He's got a history too. And he was like, man, just don't look at the camera and be real. Don't go in there like these fake dudes. Because he watched the show. So he was familiar with it.

So I took his advice, don't look at the camera, just be real. But it's got to be weird, though, right? Because on one hand, like, I remember when you were flexing on somebody, you were like, straight Chicano man. Like, you just busted that out on him. And I was like, oh, man, he's really rapping this shit. That's the straight Cholo line. Straight Cholo, right?

Yeah, yeah. It was like, yeah, it was like 30 cameras and 30 sensitive microphones there. So it was like, you know, you got to use the toilet. They literally hearing you using the toilet. They can hear everything. And it was like, I kind of like, that's the one thing. I did block everything away from me. You know how when you go to prison and they tell you,

yo, forget about that you got a girl. Block her out your life. You don't have no girl when you ain't here. Right. You know, and these are the OGs telling you this. So I kind of like, I'm blocking everything away. Like, I don't, I'm in jail. And I fed into it.

Like, it was easily that monster coming back. It's crazy. And until this day, I'm like, man, why did I do that? but now I know the good that came out of it, you know? Yeah, because I mean, one thing I always end up having this conversation when we're talking about cops and stuff

with people is like, they're just another gang at the end of the day. Like they, you know, not all the time, a lot of good cops, but there's a lot of times when shit happens and you just end up sitting back and looking at it being like, man, they are just another fucking gang.

Yeah, they have their loyalty. It's like a gang. They have their loyalty in the wrong side. Exactly. They're authorized to have that power. Yeah, and it's funny now because now, like, coming here on a show, I was escorted to the train, I didn't even ask them, I'm not, we'll walk you over there.

So I'm like, hey, man, you know. But these are NYPD, but they're fans of me, which is like, makes it more powerful how a person changing their life could even impact. Because you're a special role model in a way because people who watch that show literally get to see you, you say all the shit that you did in your previous life, and then you show that you're a different person now.

I mean, that's what, like, a young kid needs to see. They just need role models and examples of, oh, this is how you're going to end up. You're going to end up regretting all this bullshit that you did when you're a young man, you know? Yeah, it's true. I mean, I think, you know, I don't know why I'm still alive. I asked myself that. It's the grace of God. And I had one incident, like, you home one guy at one time told me, he didn't recognize me.

He was like, yeah, yo, he ain't. Abner, you know, and I recognized him. I said, yo, what's up? He's like, who are you? And I told him who I was. Yo, it's me, Abner. Man, I thought he was dead. This is what really, like, dawned on me.

Like, I haven't seen this guy in a long time. And he thought I was dead. Like, that's what really, like, pushes me more. Like, man, I'm not that dude no more. And I've seen even fentanyl kill killers. Oh, yeah. Fat an all kill killers. It's taken out a lot of the best of our generation, you know?

Man, even with hip hop now, like, it's feton all. Over and over and over. Movie stars, actors, it ain't sparing nobody. They don't even want, like, heroin. They want fentanyl. Like, no, don't get me heroin. I want feton on, like horse tranquilizer, basically. It's killing people.

It's something that people don't talk about. And it's, I've had to impact me not even a month ago. with a friend of mine that changed his life and decided, maybe I'll take one last bag. You know, I'm feeling down, and he died. Damn. He died. Like, it's real.

That's crazy. Let me answer to this. As a man of God now, how do you think about, you said you've crippled people in the past? Yeah. You've, you know, I'm sure done all kinds of stuff that now when you look at it, you're like, I can never imagine doing that. And I'm sure you regret that time in your life. How do you think about that?

And have you ever thought about, you know, making amends with people? Like, does your faith require that of you? Yeah, and I have done it. And I was even telling Aitown and Lou about this little story about a guy that I did something to his brother, like literally, physically, like, you know. And I saw him, and he saw me. And he caught me one day, like they say, slipping. It was 4 o'clock in the morning. He knocked on the window.

I'm in the car and he's like, you know, I could have killed you. And we're going to leave this right here right now. And the only reason I'm not going to kill you is because I know you're not that dude no more. Wow. So it kind of like the past and the present saying, I'm still here, but I'm not here. Wow. So it was like, I'm not doing this no more. Like reality will come back at you and God will send signs saying,

if you don't listen I'm not going to give you another chance I'm not right you know you know you had addiction for 20 years you stopped using you know like my friend and he took that one bag

and he died what was your addiction what were you doing all those years my addiction was more violence drinking going out smoking weed like I was like you know but it was never like hard body drugs or anything like but I have experimented

didn't like it, you know, I didn't like the heroin, like feeling down. I didn't like the Coke feeling like you're on Cloud 9, you know, with the geeking. And that's not me. Yeah. So it was more like the lifestyle. Me, it was the violence to sticking somebody up, you know, watch you at 4 o'clock in the morning coming out of the club. I got a GPS under your car.

Yeah, I'm already at the house, you know, your girls tied up. Let me get the jewelry to dope, man. Yeah, it was normal. So if you were to describe your time in the streets, though, would you say you were primarily a robber, a hustler? Stick up kid. My last big was a stick up kid. And I was like that type of dude.

It's not that I will hate on you, but I would be like, that. You got these cars, all this. Can I get some work? You know, I just came home. Like, I'm hungry. Like, I'm a good dude. Like, look out.

Or you don't want to look out. All right. And that's when you kind of like become the predator. Like, all right. I know you're not built like that. That's why I say you can't be a gunner and a hustler. So, you know, they just kind of drop it. Right.

Like, you know, a little force. Yeah, yeah, let me get that. Right. And it's become normal because if you can make, you know, get a brick of cocaine in 30 minutes and now you're up in the game $45,000 in 30 minutes. And, you know, you kind of like get used to it. Like, yeah, I'm good. You know, I got a little 300 gram Cuban.

Yeah, I'm good. And you get addicted to it because as easy as it comes, you go wait another week, plod on somebody else. And, you know, why I'm going to hustle for if he's going to tell on me. Why I'm going to be a shooter for if he's going to tell on me? But you don't feel like that about the people that you were robbing to? Like, if I'm tying somebody's wife up, I'm thinking that I don't really want to be the guy just cruising around the neighborhood after that.

And they probably could figure out where you live and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. And that's where the problems used to come with me in the street from that. Because usually it would be no mass, you know, straight gully, whatever. But half of these guys don't really even care about their girlfriends or their baby my leg. It's horrible to say this. But when a gun in a situation is right there, these guys show no love like a man should for his family. And like somebody doing a home invasion of his son.

And I'm sure you being a fire, you know, your family, you know. these guys have no love. Like, there's no love in the street. So the woman's there, you know, she's just there for the clout. She's just there for the jewelry. And you see it on Instagram on the time, you know, such and such gets locked up. She had all these $10,000 bag.

And, you know, like, but once the real pressure comes, prison or a stick up kick kicking the door down or just creeping through the window, just waiting for you to get home from the club. You know, you tips. and boom reality hits you yeah you got an enemy wow and he was watching you and um let me get that because i got to go shopping tomorrow morning you talk about like the violence being your addiction but you know everybody who gets addicted to you know drugs and stuff there's a risk of relapse

yeah you ever think about that with yourself that you could ever get to a position where you feel like that no it's called credit no i'm good now okay that's good i don't i don't you you you know the extreme person you have to be to do that. And now I even, I do things like, if I see an old lady at the supermarket and she can't reach something, here you go, man. You know, like, I'm more attentive to the little small things, waking up in the morning, the little things, just being good.

That's why I said. Little things is mad. The little things that matter, I said before, the little things that you wake up say, thank you God. You thank you, you know. That's the little things. That's the little things I mean. I already, you know,

pat the devil in the back and told him we can't do this. We can't be friends. I got to go. I already been through hell. Like, now all I have left is good, you know? We all been through hell. We all been through a lot of things that the devil trying to tempt us to do. But we overcome that.

Definitely. You know, just one last thing about the show. It occurs to me that, like, that's probably the only TV show ever in which you beating the shit out of somebody is just part of the show. Yeah, I saw that. When I saw that. You don't get in trouble for it?

This is just normal? Yeah, when I saw that, that Joe was funny. They kind of signed waivers. Right. Saying, it's okay. It's a documentary. And you know, when you're in there, the last thing you're going to do

is read the fine print. So kind of, you know, you should read the fine print. But you're just swinging on somebody in that cell with the camera in the corner and I'm just watching you just pan on something. Like, did that bring you bad was that was your first fist fight in years and years and years? Like, how did that feel?

It actually was. It actually was. It actually, no altercation is nothing. And I caught myself right at that moment, right? When I was, when I smacked him and I was going to punch, I was like, I can't hit this guy. His weight's not there. Like, oh, and I just remember, this is you punishing a Hispanic kid for fucking with the white people, right? Yeah, he was like, and you know this.

you know, you don't, you don't race hot. You got to, this is who you are. You know, that's the politics. 60 days in, if I wasn't already convinced, 60 days in made me really sure that I didn't want to go to prison because I cannot be kicking it with these white supremacist douchebags. Like, that's going to really fucking ruin my vibe for the whole time I'm in there. And it's crazy because even my people are racist towards other races.

So it's like, nah, we can't do that either, you know. So you relate, and it's not a place. for anybody. Jail, period. And I push that. I have, you know, a little TikTok, little clout. I push it. Stay out of jail, period. My little TikToks are stay out of jail. You know, and it's like that's all I push. You don't have to go to jail. You could get a job. You could hustle. Even now with social media, man, you can sell water. It's a whole new path. Anything you want. Like, promote yourself. Yeah. You could brand anything. Yeah. That's why social media is there for promoted that help you experience your career.

Not to do no dumb stuff. You know what I'm saying? It's helped for your life to come better as far as your life and for it's your mental. Yeah, and you're a walking testimony to yourself, so, you know. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you're definitely hard too. You know what I'm saying?

I did my research too, so I mean. Yeah. If you look at my career, it's like that is a big part of what I want to get across as a point. It's like, look at the shit I'm doing. It's not that complicated. You could do this. You could have a YouTube channel.

You could have an Instagram. You could turn yourself to a one-man brand because I, as a 37-year-old white man from New Hampshire, there is no real obvious reason why I should have a big-ass platform and hip-hop, except for the fact that I was passionate about it and I went out and took it. You keep it real, you know? You keep it real, man. You're the neutral or the podcast, the neutral.

Everybody else wants to go over here or everybody else wants to go over here. Oh, well, I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. You're the neutral that right now society really needs in social media. the podcast. Like the speaking, like, you know, on with terms that they feel comfortable. And I ain't just cloud chasing either. No, throw that out of it.

But it's true, because I've seen this throughout the time. Like, when I first started doing interviews and vlogs, I didn't really know that many people who are in my world who were doing that kind of thing. Now, I will see an 18-year-old kid who starts a YouTube channel, and he's really from the trenches, and he all of a sudden has a little name for himself, and he's making a little living. And that's beautiful to me because even if that guy is making a, you know,

$2,000 a month. Well, shit, you got to sell a lot of crack to make $2,000 in a month. That's a beautiful thing. You know that he could do that, no risk. Tell your stories. Speak on your culture. Clean money. That's a beautiful thing to push kids. This is the thing. A lot of people don't want to become gamers and drug dealers, but they want to be independent. They don't want to have to listen to anybody. They have that kind of personality. That kind of personality also is a good fit for influencers or people who make TikToks or make YouTube videos. If you want to just be on your own schedule and not have to listen to

anybody, but you could avoid the violence and the craziness and all that shit if you just become, you know, a content creator. Now, it is tough for sure. I'm not saying everybody can do it, but at the very least having that hope, I think, could keep a lot of kids away from the bad side of the shit. Definitely. Even if anything you do, cleaning sneakers, anything. This motherfucker is a good example, too. He's out here. Yeah, a politician just called them, what he said? What he said to you? I'm a hero. He's a hero. And that touches me because I thought, like, you know what I'm saying? I thought it was going to come, like, you know, because, and, like, the stuff I go through was, like, health problems and everything.

And when I graduate high school, my mind was like, well, I'm going to do next. What I'm going to do next? Oh, my gosh. Like, I'm not in school tomorrow. Yeah, I did it. I thought I was not going to graduate because of my health because I've been sick so many times, surgeries, everything. But, you know what I'm saying? There shouldn't be no but to it.

I feel like, okay, what I'm going to do after this? You know, God made a way. I was going to try and come defend a criminal justice defense attorney because I like to argue and I like to defend. But they said I wasn't ready for that lifestyle. I said, BS, I'm going to fight for it. And they said, I wasn't ready

because they said, your mind's not there. You good with hands-on. They test, at the high school, they tested me, see what I was good at. Books or hands-on. that's something good way hands on they say so I saw him start doing Cardinart so I could cook a little bit

you know and turn around boom I'm big I'm like how this happening and if I was just friend of questions I would I would been let go in his case long time ago that's why we need you in there take a plea you know what I'm saying so

it's just like you know thank you for let me be a good example for these people I was it's truly amazing that I really could experience to these people because not much people follows through in their life. And I'm happy I open doors with people, especially with health problems, too. Because I've seen people, since I started doing videos and anything, I've seen people with health problems starting express their self coming out the door and pushing.

Even on TikTok, I've seen people, you know, doing stuff like, oh, I do this, this and that, have fun with it, you know. Because, you know, TikTok, I seen people on TikTok was like, oh, people have health problems. And also Instagram basis, social media contact around. People help out of pushing themselves because they see, they saw me. And I was happy that it would open doors so people would start doing like this. And that made me so proud because that made me so proud because they started doing stuff in a positive way. Because some people take it as negative.

Some people try, you know, use certain people. But that's not the case. We just trying to push, make people advise, like, you know, can, yeah, yeah, we got help. We could do the same thing you can. And our people judge us so fast because we got health problems. Oh, no, you can't do that. How is he able to do that?

Because you don't understand. We could do stuff, same things we can, like, just like you. You know what I'm saying? Respect. You know what I'm saying? You just don't know. We can. You know what I'm saying?

For sure. Okay, so what doors have been open for you guys? Like, I'm sure your platform has just grown so much from this. Like, what are you doing with the energy around you ever since you've been on the show? And I'll ask you the same question next. Well, with me, I pretty much wrote a book. I was featured in a book for the Christian Broadcasting Network.

I do, you know, speaking pre-COVID. Now everything's kicking back up. And I kind of, like, now deal with, more the mental health, you know what I mean? And the bullying too with a lot of people, kids got autism. You don't know. They're not just normal. They're not normal.

You can't judge someone because they're fidgeting and you know, something's wrong with them. You know, so you gotta be kind of people, but my doors have opened to, man, like, politicians. I came out here, I got an award from, from a good friend, politicians. here in Compton. My first time here, the love is big. They love me everywhere. So, I mean, doors will keep opening up, you know, and 60 days in with one, it's on Netflix now. I've done background acting, and now I'm going to still pursue it. I plan on relocating to and doing more

acting. And you haven't heard the last of me yet. I just, I'm going into music pretty soon. Really? And, um. But you got artists, or you're going to start rapping? No, me, me. I'm going to do a couple collaborations, but the first one song I'll do by myself, but I just want to test myself. Like, I don't want to limit myself to just doing one thing. Right. You know, like. How your kids feel about seeing you make such a change late in life? Like, all of a sudden their dad's high profile. Yeah, it kind of, sometimes I'll get the random FaceTime like, hey, I told you, look. And I'm like, you faceTime me because you're showing your friend, like who I am. Like, all right, you know. And I get a lot, you know, and I'm humble with everybody. I show everybody love. And one thing that does open the doors for me is staying humble.

You know, don't matter what I got. I could sit here and bling out all day and, you know, no, I'm good where I'm at. Because at the end of the day, you're not taking it with you, nothing, you know. And just stay humble, man. You know what I mean? That's all you got to do. That's a secret. The door is opening.

But I have a couple projects, especially not with no bullet. campaign with A-Town. I was like, you know what? I got you, man. We're going to do this, man. I have a button for you too, Adam. Oh, man. I was going to ask. Hell yeah. Yes. Eight Town's anti-bullying campaign United Philly, United People. I like it. Thank you. We got to reach out to some more Philly superstars. We've got to get a little Uzi Virt on this campaign. Definitely.

Right? Definitely. Yeah, definitely. We were just talking about that, too. I guess he's kind of out here bullying people in Philly, though. he chased Rich the kid behind a Starbucks counter. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's another story right day. You were there? No, I was not there.

You got him lined up? No, I'm going to do stuff like that. God would not bless me with that. That's a good point. Yeah, okay. Okay, but so Aton, what else you got going on, aside from just the bullying campaign? The bullying campaign seems very important.

So people should definitely tap in with your Instagram for all that. Yes, Aton-O-755 official. That's my Instagram. Go to who I follow. Search A-Town. You'll find it if you can't figure that out. What I'm doing after this, I'm trying to get more acting because I was on Wiling Out. Oh, really?

I didn't know that. Yes, I was on Wiling Out. Shout out Nick Cannon. Yes, shout out to Nick Cannon. I was on Wiling Out. I've been to acting classes. Right. Also, I'm trying to work on little music, but I'm trying to focus on more like acting.

Because acting is like my thing. It just brings out just so much. much character and so much things to do. Like, I can act like him. It's just some character move. You know what I'm saying? You know what I just got to put on the deep, deeper voice. See, I make y'all laugh.

Wait, so you could do a different voice? Give me a little bit. Like, what you want in here? I don't know. There's maybe something different than your normal voice. All right. What's it wrong? Johnny, why you don't lie me?

Why you don't lie me, Janai? Buck, buck, we go bo, bubble, bubble, butt, all that stuff. All my life, I had to fight. That was in bed. Forrest Gump gets to me, man. That tugs at my heartstrings. Angry birds.

Life is about the chocolate. You don't know where he can get out of it. We might need to fact check that exact quote, but it's like that. Throw that in Google. Life is about a box of chocolate. Life is like a box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to get. I like these guys, man.

You guys are a very, very interesting wrestling tag team. The vibe that I get right here, like the bushwhackers pulling up on me. Yeah. Definitely. Fuck. All right, so what else you guys got planned while you're out here in LA? We got an event tonight with councilmen, with a rap group. I don't know what's the DJ Quick.

DJ Quick, right. So we'll be in Compton tonight with Dome over there and, you know. Yes, everything. Compton's been, you know, showing us love. And I definitely, this is my first time in California, I definitely will be back. Yeah. This is definitely.

First time, wow, that's amazing. First time, man. I was gonna come out here pre-COVID. I had everything set up with someone else. And I was like, you know what? But Destiny has a way, you know, and I feel like now's the time, you know, come back and tap in and, you know, just, you know, God's put the real people on my path, you know?

And this is one of them, you know? 100% I like it yes yes A town how'd you get the name Aetown anyway it's just my nickname okay yes it's not related to Allentown Pennsylvania which they call Aetown okay it's a pretty random place it's definitely like five people watching this from Allentown who are like what the fuck is he talking about us for um okay man it was great getting to learn more about you guys a big fan and uh appreciate you for support in my campaign I really mean so much to me The real happening 60 days in.

Man. That really, that really, you know, makes me happy. Why? Because it's really serious out here. And, you know, and I know you say you've been bullied certain places when you was, like, young. No, not Adam. No, no, not. No, I'm invincible.

No, yeah. No, I bullied and I got bullied. That's what I'm saying. On both sides of that equation, for sure. That's what I'm saying. You got bullied before. Yeah. But I'm having, you know, you could, like, you could talk about it and stand up for it.

That was in the past. overcoming. That's what I'm saying. Aytown, let me tell you something. I don't gang bang, but I'm banging Aetown's anti-bullying campaign all over the world. This is what I'm repping now. The show. All right, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. We'll throw both your Instagrams in the description

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