No Jumper - The ALLBLACK Interview: Growing up in Oakland & The Value Of Being Outside

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

AllBlack talks about his relationship with G-Eazy, E40, Oakland, working with LA rappers and how he despises trolls! https://www.instagram.com/whoisallblack/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumber, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm here with my old buddy All Black. How you feeling, man? 22nd, what's going on? 22nd. I like that. I call Adam 22nd. Because whenever I look at that tattoo on his head, I know it's like where you're from, but, you know, I'd take credit for it.

You're 22, man. You're 22nd, I'm 22. You already know. What were you just saying? So you have like a little documentary thing coming out or what is? Yeah, I got a documentary with the album. Thank you for fucking with me. Right.

And what above all, they told me that. They wanted to do a documentary, and I'm like, it's cool. So when they were shooting it, you know, we're in the hood. We're showing them my day to days and all that. But when I got the first cutback, I didn't know that they interviewed certain people, like, Jeasy. Too Short, Pilos, and a few other people. I knew they was going to interview my mom, you know, my brother and all them, but I didn't know they was going to interview all them, like my rap friends.

Right. So when I was looking at it, And just to hear how they view me, fuck me up. What are the two shorts say? He was like, all black, you gotta watch it. But he really was, he said some saucy shit. Like, I didn't think he even thought about me like that. I'd be in the studio was short.

And he'd do this shit. That's unc, you feel me? That's a legend. Definitely. So, you know, he'd be doing it. I'd be up in the studio when I'd be rapping my ass. And he'd be vibing. But when I watched the interview,

I mean, I have to interview the fucking documentary. I'm like, damn, bro. I ain't know he fucked with me like that. I knew it was love, but I didn't know he paid attention like that. Definitely. I feel like you're somebody who has a lot of respect from your peers that, like, to an extent that is bigger

than the actual, like, level that people think you're at in terms of popularity, like, you clearly have a fan base and shit, but then, like, there's so many rappers that I fuck with that look at you as like that's a fire fucking artist right now even if a huge crazy millions of people haven't necessarily understood yet i really i really lock in with you know people my my rap friends and my you know immediate partners in my circle everybody get treated the same way of course we have different relationships but everybody get that high energy and they get the low energy, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't fabricate nothing. Right. I mean, I, everybody could come to me. Everybody can really sit down with me if they want to. Right. I mean, I don't stray away from nothing. Custodians, owners, I treat them the same way. The thing that I find interesting about your shit is that you, a lot of times on tracks

will kind of like represent more of like a, just a fire NorCal street rapper. but then you also just take a lot of risks and just go into a lot of different directions and you're so much less scared than a lot of people to like fuck around with different types of production, go back to shit that sounds a little bit more, 90s, more whatever. Like there's just so much more variety

and you take a lot more risks like that and that's something that I really appreciate it. Definitely is. I like that you said that because a lot of people don't know that. And as an artist, when they tell you to step outside the box, try a different beat, you know what I mean?

of course, you know, it's going to be uncomfortable. It's not going to sound like you or if you put it out with the people, you don't get the same reaction, you know, that you'll get, you know, with some shit that's with the old sound. And people, you know, artists get discouraged by that. You know what I mean?

And it's easy to get discouraged by that if you pop him, you know, in this lane and then, you know, you want to step outside the box and try this beat, you know what I mean, or did with this producer, you know what I mean? It's kind of scary, but when I kicked it off, I was just like, we're gonna run it.

Right. We're throwing shit at the wall, hoping this stick. Because there's such an established lane for like street rap where, you know, the videos look a certain way filmed in the hood, talking about other neighborhoods, whatever the fuck it is. And it's like, I see you as somebody who's like really good at doing that style. But then your, like, creativity is like, doesn't allow you to just sort of like make the same song that a lot of people would be content making over and over. Man. Shit, because I don't do the same shit over and over. Yeah.

Like in my day. the music is my diary you know what I mean like if I'm feeling that at that moment you know what I mean that's what I'm on that's what type of time I'm on I'm on I mean I don't wear my heart on my sleeve right

and you will see that from project to project you know I mean from the start of my shit to where we at right now I mean when I was kicking off when I was in the Kimson bag I mean I was in a dark place really I mean

and you can hear that my second project It was out cause, you know, that's after the storm. That's when everybody really started knowing me on the L.A. side. I mean, with the distinct team features and the shoreline mafia's with the row runs and O3 Gritos and, you know, the NIFs. Like, you know what I mean? That's when it was like after the storm. So I was on my flagrant, whatever, moving fast, you know, that's what it was.

And then just after I linked in with Kenny Beetz, and Kenny Bees really kind of like, he really helped me without helping me. When I say that thing about you being willing to go in a lot of different directions, production-wise and shit, do you credit him with a lot of that? Man, bro, Kenny beats. Kenny beats, bro. I don't know, bro, Kenny beats. It's Kenny, bro.

Yeah, he's good. Nobody can beat Kenny. You know, he had no something wrong, and he won't ask you. He had just, he comforted you to the point where you're like, you know what I mean? You're going to sit down and chop game with him. And it's not just me. I watched them do it with huge artists, like superstar artists.

You know what I mean? To my partners. That's just up in the studio with me that day. Really? Yeah. Like, he really a dog. He really came down to Oakland, sat in the hood while we shot videos the entire day. Then I took him to my partner's spot to go eat.

He sat there the whole day. God loaded, did everything. Wavy. Right. Not a care in the fucking world. Right. After that, when I came back, it was a different time. I have respect I have for him, but it never stopped.

That's interesting. He could tell somebody, he could tell that something's wrong with somebody and just sort of have that conversation because it's like, that's one thing I think about a lot these days is just how the internet is like, we're so much like, so much less likely to just talk to each other and to just spark up a conversation with a random guy that you have no reason to even necessarily inquire about, like, that shows like a level of humanity that I feel like our phones have kind of taken us away from in large. part.

Facts. Communication. Way people, like, people don't even know how to start convo's moving. Right. People don't even know how to, they just say some stupid-ass shit. I mean, the ice breakers ain't really real,

though. I think back to, like, living in New York and just all that time, just sort of like, you know, we just hang out outside a lot. Like, sit on the stoop, go to the park, post up, drink a fucking beer out of the brown bag or smoke something or whatever, but it was like, we were really just creating

conversation out of nothing. And I really look back at that like wow that's a a bygone era in a lot of ways and I feel like if you can do that that's sort of like sometimes I'll be in a group of people and just like start talking like about ideas and just really like going off talking about shit and I feel like people look at me like I'm crazy

of course they are of course they're going to like I don't know my whole thing is like I look at it more when I see the kids it hits me more when I see the kids don't ride bikes no more you know what I mean and I just

It makes me think like them, like the tablet over the bite. When I was a kid, I didn't give a fuck. We was going outside. We was putting them cans, you know, on the wheel. You know what I mean? We're shooting dice. I mean, we run around. We're getting dirty.

I looked at my little cousin's shoes in his closet the other day. I'm talking about, man, that little nigger don't got a scratch on one shoe. And he got hell of shoes. And I'm looking at him like, man, when I was 12, I used to have to clean my shoe strings. Like, you know what I mean? The ends of my shoe strings was gone. I couldn't even take them through the next hole because I was fucking them up. You know what I mean?

Running around, kids don't even get dirty no more. Right. They all this. Yeah. I mean, and that, like, being outside helped you, you know, be around a lot of people. It used to be about being outside and just being a part of shit. Yeah. And now it's like everyone has a fucking camera in their pocket so it becomes about documenting.

And we're going to make a thing all the time. It's not really, it's not worth doing something unless we're making something out of it so that a thousand people can see it instead of the couple people that we're with. It's like a weird mentality. And I think the kids who are really going to be successful are going to be the ones who can be better than that. No, for real. You know, they got to be able to step out. But, you know, it's what, you know, kids go for what they see. For sure.

So I feel like you had kind of an eclectic upbringing. You were definitely outside, but you had a lot of different influences. Was it your dad or your grandfather was in the Panthers? My mom's uncle. My mom's uncle. Okay. So they was locked in to that point. But all of Oakland, if you were the man in Oakland, everybody was with the movement.

Right. I mean, of course some wasn't, but they was deeply involved. But striped up my mom uncle. Right. Really striped up my mom uncle. So talk about what you saw with that as a kid and how you think that. You didn't really see much of it? I didn't.

That's real, like, locked in competition. Really? You know, I knew about it. I mean, studied a lot of things. Pick up what I knew. But at that time, I was a kid. I didn't really, no, and I wasn't. It was kind of like before, before me.

Right, okay. I was in the 90s. I was born in the 90s. Right. But they don't really talk about it like that. They just know what they know. Really? Yeah, like real shit.

That's interesting. My mom don't really take a hell of deep like that at all. Why do you think that is? You feel like she kind of got? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just always think about the Panthers just in the,

can we talk about gang so much? like that's such a big thing in rap and stuff. And I always just kind of think back to that and think that's a lot closer to what all these community organizations were supposed to be. You know, I don't know, I'm from Oakland.

So my feelings and my views on, you know, how people rocking with this shit is completely different. So when I just start seeing certain shit, you know what I mean? I just mind my, like, an organization like People's Breakfast, Oakland. When I'm watching them move and then I see something on the internet or I hear about, you know, organization helping and giving back, you know, I just, I can't really see it, you know what I mean. It's whatever.

Because that don't look like, you know what people's breakfast, Oakland is doing. Really outside, you know what I mean, really providing tents, you know what I mean, under these foods, really giving hot meals, really giving indigent your kids. You know what I mean, like really giving this shit or really outside with the folks, you know what I mean? chance like it I'm out there with them donating my first headline show in Oakland you know what I mean all my proceeds went to charity for my my album dropping May 7th I'm buying out the whole taco truck I'm about to feed the whole hood for four or five hours but I do that all the time though this was before you know I mean motherfuckers was doing what they was doing I've been

doing this shit for four years on my own pocket right you know me I didn't no help no hey hold the camera position this action them, I'm outside. I really do this shit. Right. I never need a credit for none of that. I'm really outside with these folks. They know me by my first and last name.

Right. So, you know, when I was the, you know, back to the Black Panther thing, like, what it mean to me and how they was rocking. I mean, you know what I mean the same other people. So I just leave it for what it is and, you know, keep studying. I feel you. Yeah, when like somebody starts taking off a bit as a rapper, I feel like you really get a window into, like, how they feel about their own.

community. Yeah. Because sometimes they're just up and out of there. And sometimes you see people who really like love it and they would feel horrible about being separated from it or from just acting like they don't give a fuck about it. Yeah. Are you still like you're saying you're around all the time and stuff, but do you still have that relationship where you just love the energy of it? Because that to me is like the best part about like where you're from or when you're from that kind of area is just the pure, like there's such a feeling that you get in that kind of environment that you can't get from living off in the mansion in the hills or whatever. For real.

My whole thing is, you know, I do this shit because, you know what I do, this is when I am. I don't owe nobody's shit. So at the end of the day, what I pick and choose to do when I want to go back, how I want to move, that's how I'm going to move. You know what I mean? That's my house on 20 seconds. I mean, I don't go there. Oh, it wasn't abandoned spa.

No, the neighbor's not calling the police and all that. I got 50 niggas on the blog, you know what I mean? With cameras. Destin, Red Bull, whoever outside, you know what I mean? No, I really do this shit. I don't, I can go back and speak to them. I love the energy. I love, you know, my family is there.

They still in that house. So we rock up in that motherfucker with cameras. We still got to be quiet because somebody might be asleep. You know what I mean? Motherfuckers really work. Right. I still got to sweep. I still got to clean up.

They don't give a fuck about none of that. You know what I mean? They love me for YM. They're very supportive. You know what I mean? They don't miss a beat. but at the same time, like, it makes me feel like it's basically my reset. 22nd is my reset.

When I go back to the, you know, I see my people to reset, when I double-park the whip, you know what I mean, in the middle of the street, bounce out, lick my thumb, give money to the kids, you know what I mean, let them show off all in the whip or, I mean, or I'm talking to some smokers, you know what I mean, whatever, hollering at them getting shit, right? That's what I do.

You slide by, you're going to see me outside. You know, I don't need no help me. I'd be watering the grass. I'd be cleaning up outside that motherfucker, no, nothing changed. Right. I mean, it's there. You're not concerned about it from a security level?

I mean, you know, I think about things, you know, I mean, but shit, you can get your ass knocked down in Walgreens. That's true. You know what I mean? Depending on the Walgreens, especially, but... Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't know. I don't think about it.

If it's going to happen, it's going to happen, but I don't walk around tough. I know what the, you know, I know when to get the fuck on. get the fuck on and sometimes you know you ain't gonna know shit happened but my people love me for sure what was your uh high school experience like i had hell of fun hell of fun yeah yeah i was heavily in the sports my whole life so track football and my brother i got cousins in the league still right now so it was it was sports right it was sports shit fucking trying to beat you know growing up just doing shit growing up you know he's skipping school standing school on the rallies

I love primes I love getting fresh as fuck you know for prom right all that type of shit damn you're making high school sound fun as fuck I don't remember that good for him I went to pilo we went to the same high school to hbk I went to school with them niggis so you got a good attitude about shit because like a lot of people talk about the neighborhood that they're from and make it sound like a fucking hell hole and then a lot of people talk about high school and make it sound like It was fucking awful. I mean, you know, sometimes I'd be hearing people talk, you know what I mean? And I don't judge, but I'll be hearing people talk.

I'd be like, damn, bro, you want, you want somebody to feel sorry for you, huh? I got you on. Let me help you. Yeah, definitely you can tell when there's the rappers who, like, are not from a bad upbringing, but they really would like for you to believe that they're from some crazy shit. All the old, tough ass. Right.

I mean, you know, it's the cold. bro, you already gave a Dakota We heard four of your songs already But you didn't gave up everything So when you're sitting right here now What you want to hide the rest? You feel what I mean? Like, nigga you didn't already incriminated yourself

Why not just say the rest? The fuck? You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's what it'd be. I don't know. We ain't running the same race When I look at these artists

You know what I mean? Every artist that I've done songs with I'm fans and them artists I'm cool with them in my own way You know what I mean? Definitely You know, they can pick up the phone and call me. Like, you know, we laugh and joke.

I get on the phone, roasting, making jokes and shit. Talk to E-40. I'm going to figure out what's the right acid reflex for all the alcohol, niggas drinking. Really? Yeah, like, like, what cure the acid reflex? I get on the phone with Mazzi. And I mean, Daveo, we're laughing about some other shit.

Me and Draco, we roasting. I'm telling me, niggas, show me your shoes. Shit like that. Get on the phone with Phoenix. Like, I, just regular shit. I barely, rarely ever talk about music with these things. Right. You know what I mean?

Unless I got to get like a verse back or I want something from them, but it's rare. I had that conversation with people where I'm like, they think that like rappers talk about rapping all the time. And I'm like, rappers don't really talk about the act of rapping like that. They kind of like make music and like they take it for granted that you're supposed to be in this like state where you're not thinking about what you're doing. And then the song just exists afterwards. And I very rarely will hear rappers be like,

you should have done this. Like when you see a rapper have that relationship in the studio of like, no, no, do this bar like this. That's like you know that they have the most intimate connection because most rappers just don't really like, I don't know.

They like take criticism or shit. Or just like the idea of like digging into it. And like I never hear rappers like talk about flows. They just they just rap. And then like the people who listen to them start to try to like diagnose what the different flows are and who started what flow. I guess rappers do talk about. whether I'm time to time.

I mean, probably if somebody took it from it or something. Yeah, yeah. I don't be, I don't be giving them the fuck. Like, no, I love,

what music do to me? You know what I mean? They don't do to the next artist, you know what I mean? Some people just be up in this music shit because they want to make money. So they will imitate, you know what I mean?

Another artist. And, and where they bag, you know what I mean? They rap about a life. They get a bag. You got some people who ain't, there was cornballs in elementary school,

or, I mean, they wasn't popular, so they want that attention. I mean, so they want to be a artist, they want to be a rapper because they had attention. And then you got some people, the music is their diary. They come from a long line of, you know, musicians. They just like fucking with music. Where do you put yourself in that? The music is my diary. That shit saved my life.

She got me out of lot of trouble. I mean, instead of getting on Twitter, And pillow talking or, you know, tricking myself out of my spot or having people, you know, look at me, I go to the music. If somebody's speaking crazy, I go to the music. But I will say it in my own way. I mean, I really be talking to myself more than anything. Reminding myself, like, bro, you got this.

Because that's, like, who you're making music for is such a pivotal decision. Because there's so many rappers where you can really tell. that they are only making music because they want the music to be popular and that that's their guiding light. And then there's other rappers who you hear and you're like, there's rappers I can think of

who I feel like I just don't even really like their music but I'm like, damn, that dude is, he's doing like exactly what the fuck he wants to do because this shit is not, like this is not what he would be doing if he was just trying to have a hit. No, for real though. Yeah.

Like, the niggas, they start a niggas they got money already, you know, and they just want to fuck with it. You got people that's, Debbie acting like they didn't blew up three schools you know what I mean

and knocked down phone niggas like and I'm just like why though like but it sells yeah I mean I know certain artists who don't do that shit and they tell you they don't do that they just rap

because they know it's gonna make them some money right and there's something really sad about that of like if somebody can get to the point where they've completely made it in life and they don't have shit to worry about, but then their lyrics are basically just like encouraging

violence and like romanticizing, selling drugs and shit. And it's like, there's something kind of sinister about a certain point where I was like, bro, you are living a life where you don't have to think about any of that shit at all. That's what helps me with YouTube

comments, say cheese comments, fucking double Excel comments, shade rooms, just big platforms that got the most brutalist meanest comments like comments will fuck our artist up comments will get a motherfucker smacked if you really believe that the comments are your reality of how people feel when they listen to your music and not just the people who feel such a extreme reaction that they got

to say something negative you know that that will definitely fuck you up the reason why and I mean I don't I don't be moved by it because it be the motherfucking kids all the way at the tippity top and them gated guys communities you know i mean and they they parents work hard is a fucking beans or something like that and they got all type of whips and they got acres on top of acres and they just got it like that they don't never have to come down and i mean to the city they never have to witness traffic it'd be them motherfuckers it be them corn balls behind that with no just egg and shit on they don't do nothing but

eggs you don't eggs on eggs on eggs you don't insecure motherfuckers jump forward I mean, the people who are not sure themselves, you know what I mean, the ones who just need a reason, you know, they jump to the comments. Definitely. I mean. So you sound like you got a pretty healthy high school life and then you went to college too doing the sport thing or you didn't you didn't do that? No, I got shot at a certain, I was in my teens. I got shot and my partners was, everybody was still going to practice and shit. You know, my brother was already at Oregon University.

You know, I mean, everything was just going. And it's just, like, my passion for it kind of left. And I feel like all my drive went to them. So I'm going to their games. Like, I'm living through them. I mean, so I think that's what helped me get away from the note of football. Because, you know, that was my life. Right.

But then you get shot and, like, all of it just fucking disappears, kind of? Yeah, like, it wasn't a bad one, no, because, like, it wasn't, like, all the tragedy. I got the heat. and the function and then just whatever transpired and I just wasn't as driven you know I mean because I had to know I was trying to keep certain shit away from certain people you know and move a certain way and I just start missing out when you know my daily routines and shit so it kind of just like I kind of like start going this way yeah I mean when I start going this way I start

looking at other shit but I mean like it might be hard for you to like be so invested in football when you got super real shit happening in your life it's like hard to pay attention to do a game yeah like 2010 hell of my like hell of my niggas had died and then i was just like well damn i'm going to funerals after funerals i'm putting my niggins and they wasn't even dying from you know no beef that was dying through crazy shit like crazy shit so it kind of made me feel you know a certain way at that age i mean but that's when i started moving around doing a lot of traveling. Really? Yeah, like a lot of driving. I love driving. I moved to Atlanta, and I mean, I was fucking up to 85. I love that. I love the South. South helped me, you know.

Who taught you about traveling? Really, my granddad always takes to our football games. He's from Texas. So he'd do his driving. He's the old school way. He died in 94. He'd do everything about a book. So everywhere we went, we was driving. So, you know, it kind of juiced me up. I don't know. I think that's where it came from. Really? I was just stomp.

It helped me think. The road helped me think. Okay, but in terms of, like, turning driving around the country into a profitable exercise, where did that kind of come from? Figuring it out. I mean, having time, you know, you have a space to figure it out. But I feel like you need connections to, like, understand that world, and that's not easy for the average 18 year old to like realize like how to actually make the like if that was what

I was trying to do right now I feel like I would be able to make those connections super easily but when you're like just fresh out of high school or whatever it's like getting rooms and shit getting old getting my own rooms and I mean going online doing my own shit like eating my own dinners and I mean just at that age but I was already you know running place I was already doing shit early. I mean, I was already running plays early and just,

just having fun. So I was able to figure things out. Do you drive at night? Like when you drive across the country, though? Like, if you felt like you were at risk. Is it like, because I've heard people say

you drive the whole fucking time, like drive as fast as possible, not as fast, but you get it done as fast as possible. I heard people say, you only drive during the daylight hours where there's mad other cars on the road because you don't want to be the only car

on the road because that makes you too vulnerable. I mean, it just depends on how they're riding and what they, you know, how they feel about it. Me, I don't stop. If I stop, you know, I mean, I always felt like, you know, it's going to take longer. Or if I stop at this spot, I can get bliss, you know, something like, uh-uh, I'm driving. Take my little time, pull over. Like, Oakland to Atlanta, I did that there and back seven times.

Like, that was, but I was young, like 18, 19. Shit like that. I was always doing that. Seven times? How many times you get pulled over? None. No. Hell no.

Wow. Hell no. From Oakland to... I drove from Oakland to Detroit. Picked up Pizzi. I mean, Pizzi drove from Detroit to Atlanta. What are we talking? What's this?

I didn't even know you knew Pizzi. That's crazy. 2015? I think, 2016. Before he got locked up this most recent time. Like, I've been fucking with him. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I drove from Oakland to Detroit.

Fucked with him. Joe down. Locked him with Vezo and all. them niggas, GT. We were just running around. Damn. Yeah, and then I drove back to Oakland. So I just want to...

Are you surprised at all to see that, like, Detroit Flint scene exploding over the last year? I'm hell of fucking Jews. I'm proud of them because I've been a fucking Detroit fan. Like, you know, Oakland and Detroit, or the Bay in Detroit. We, like, cousins. You know, B. Legit, G, 40 and all of them.

They was going to the D fucking with them OG players, you know, back then. So the same way. way we fucking with them now are our orgs and our uncles and shit they've been fucking with them they've been locked in been having gangster parties and shit right so you know it ain't nothing but us doing it again but I love the way they rock you know what I mean all them coming out they got hell of artists I be looking up and this motherfuckers in Detroit that you don't even know about that's gas and shit you know what I mean like a cash kid I heard him on your tape and

shit yeah cash kid is a fucking animal he's dope yeah I mean like I mean like him appeasey you know i mean you got i swear viz or you got a gt you got t j x6 like free rio you got real you know what i mean yeah rio you got real you got real you got real you got real you got hell of motherfuckers they gonna kill me i love everybody at tch mike yeah you already know baby face ray going crazy you're the tv tv and they can go forever you got the you got the band game you know what i mean facts you got uh big key It feels very like hip hop when you are listening to these posse trucks, that tracks that they end up doing like five or six people.

It's like you don't get that and rap that often. And when you hear them and they all got that crazy-ass energy, like their excitement about rapping is like an addictive thing. That'll get you really excited about listening to all those dudes. Like Drago and Beano, like, you know, when they slid down, them niggas, they, people was running plays on tracks like, you know, hell of people crowded on shit. But they was just, I was like, damn, how did all the motherfuckers get on the song?

But you don't even realize that until probably, like, after the eighth time you played it. Because it's slapping so fucking, oh, you don't give a fuck. You're like, man, it's lit. I love it. I love Detroit scene. The whole Detroit culture, though. A time I come out there. Man, there's Rex.

Snapdog. What the fuck? Shut out. Snap on Jesus Sandals, yes. Fuck is y'all talking about. Man, shout out snap, though. Man, bro, I can go for years, bro. Somebody gonna kill me.

Somebody's, y'all. YNJ and Louis Ray, all them. Yeah, I fuck with them heavy. I fuck with their whole scene, bro. Yeah. Hell of a. I flew out there to fuck with hell of a four week, me, my manager and my product manager,

we sat down out there. I'm talking about they red carpeters, bro. I fuck with them. For sure. Yeah. So when did you start taking your rap shit serious? Because are you Lincoln with Peezy and all that shit

before you're even rapping? With team Issapezi? Yeah, yeah, Easton. The second. The second song or third song I ever did in my life was with him. Uh-huh. Like, way before that. Right.

This was 2014 or 15. Uh-huh. I was fucking with him. Right. A lot of these artists, G.T. A lot of these artists, I've been friends with them. Right. Niffing, all in the Bay Area, all that, like, we've been friends.

Because I hear you on some songs saying, like, I was running plays with all these rappers before I was rapping something along those lines. Yeah. just that come down to trapping like I was doing that I was that was before I ever touch music But then how did you actually touch music though

Like who was it that was like Yo have on this shit Are you just fucking around rapping I was fan Yeah I was a I was in the bleachers before I ever Touched the hardwood I always been a fan of music

You know what I mean Loved it All my friends You know they did music It was hard as fuck You can go somewhere I ain't gonna tell you But you can go fine

On YouTube Me Beating off Bronco, like the OJ Simpson Bronco, white one beating off that motherfucker like this, making the beat while my partner's in a circle rapping. Wow. You know what I used to hit the beat and they used to just fucking rap or I'd throw them topics, shoes and there'd be gas in the whole time. Right. You know me, that's what we did in my hood.

I had a hell of partners that was raw. And then I came back from Atlanta and I'm like, man, I want to see what the fuck y'all be doing. Like, y'all too raw. Went in there, then voila. But I didn't start taking it really, really serious. really serious until like my manager my cousin he blood

till he was just like off it he was off my son's like he was like hella hard he was telling me what I could do he wrote he wrote my first article really yes first write up ever was my manager but he was a publicist at that time he just got out of college

and um he wrote up in the East Bay Express in the Bay. Right. And just imagine seeing me in news, I'm turning, I'm juiced. And it just went from there. That's when we just locked in. He didn't even want to be my manager. He was just supportive.

You know, we family. Right. We ain't Santa Barbara. I mean, Kegg standing. You know what I mean? The college life, he's fresh out of college. So, you know what I mean? We turned.

Yeah. But it was amazing. That's when I really, you know, strap my cleats on, buckle the chin strap and really start, you know, moving forward. But was there anybody in particular that made you realize, like, oh, this is a real hustle. Like, if I actually do this, that I can, make serious money and I could I can make this my future or were you thinking of it I was like

this is a lot safer than a lot of the shit I've been doing with my time um who house I went to 40 house and I walked through it's hallway yeah I was at I woke up one night on jasy floor four in the morning and I was like yeah um I was able to feed all my people of one check for a long time and I was like yeah so it was certain things you know I went through and I was just like yeah this shit could work I need this music shit let me lock in let me really go get this bag I mean let me pay attention mm-hmm you can do it from your perspective how did it start blowing up do you have a song that really went crazy before like I remember when I first heard you was just through Shoreline

and I think it was before y'all had music out together. Phoenix was just playing some shit around me and I was just like, oh, fuck is this guy? And that's when I got hyped on it? But when did you really feel like, oh, I'm having a moment? All of a sudden, I got 100,000 people paying attention to me or whatever. Canadian goose. If you asked about me at home, like, I was ghetto go.

I was fucking diamond. Before that, no shame two projects for me, you know, rapping on old samples like something. Saturday love and all like shit like that. I was at that time. But the real turnover was like Canadian goose, the out-cause project. You know what I mean?

Treyko had just got out and he was slapping that shit heavy. And then from Draco slapping it, Shoreline told me that's how they heard him clapping. I mean, but I was already slapping Shoreline before they even

even jumped on to that. I was already slapping Draco. I knew all Draco's songs. Before he ever even got out and did that. I was in L.A. when Draco got out. You know what I mean? There you got Desto Dub. Deso Doug.

Shout out, Deso Dove up in the booth to him lean on growing trees. And I'm like, what's that? Like, so to this day, you know, that's my boy. We laugh about that. Born to Sale Juice. You got to go back and watch that original dub video where he's burying the pints in the backyard.

I thought he was crazy. Like, when we first saw that before I knew him, I was like, that's why I love I was this real Where did this guy come from? He's really He's serious about this shit

Yo but in his business That's a business mind right there He handles his business The way I've watched him Just make connection After connection And just build his shit up To the point where he's at

Now has been It's been the joy of my life Watching him Go from just a straight Lean dealer To have him money Like he got now From him

Pulling up I'm about to go To the BET Awards with Gazi And Jim We're about to go to the BET words before that, he pulled up on me. He was fucking with a little pumpy, pull up on me.

Bounce out, he gave me the, uh, that's an awful lot of cross-serving, the old school ones when they used to have a cup on the hood out the trunk. Like, yeah, bro, where am I, fuck much? I'm like, oh, it's love. To me, coming back and I'm seeing Dickie, you know what I mean, Dickie, so I'm just all over the place. That shit really made me smile, bro. One of my, one of my Dolphine cousins still got that pink and that green one.

I'm like, where you get the hoodie from? The shit that makes me so happy is just when I see like a music video of some kids from Atlanta and they all got the shit on. And I'm just like, I know y'all have not all even met him, but you just recognize that this is something. Because one thing that really pisses me up is I just, it's not that I hate designer overall, but I was just like way rather see people support their own community and their own homies.

And I heard somebody saying a song recently that are like, I wear my homie shit like it's designer. And I was like, that's why I fuck with that shit is because people actually do rock that shit like it was some fucking Balenciaga even though it's him making it in fucking Santiali. No, for real, though. That's real.

Like, I seen one day I had seen Thug with a turtleneck on him. And I stopped. And I'm a fucking young thug. I be in his fan club. And he got a new project out that I haven't had time to listen to. A nigga, I fuck with the thug. Heavy. I seen him with the turdi on with the turtleneck.

And I'm like, when I seen Death's though, Dug, I was so fucking happy. He would have thought it was graduation. I was juice. You feel me? Just to see like somebody wearing it, what it mean to him, and I don't mean the same thing to him.

But I know it. I don't know, you know, you know inside what it means to you, but I know as a friend, like, what that means. So I'm juiced, I'm really happy. Definitely. Fuck. So, um, okay. So how did you actually start bridging that gap between, like,

you and Draco and the Stink team? And, like, like, how did you actually meet Draco? And like, like, I noticed. you got still have a good relationship, still doing a bunch of fire music. You got a new song out together off your new project that's not even fully out yet. Ego, yeah. How did you originally meet him? Draco was, um, like, he was slapping the Canadian goose.

Oh, okay. And you just tapped in because you knew he was fucking with it. Yeah, he was slapping it. And I'm sitting at, like, out of all these fucking songs I know, you know what I mean? Like, hell no, this ain't happening. My partner, Steph has sent it to me as me and him as fans. So he had sent that shit. He had sent me the video of him going crazy to it.

I'm like, hey, bro, I appreciate it. We just locked in. His first show, when he was out, it was at the observatory. He had just got out. His first show back, he called me and Jim, me and Jim pulled up. We drove out here from Oakland. And we went to go fuck with him. And we, that's when we met the whole, all the stinks.

Ralphie became family, you know. Everybody, the whole stinks. We just was fucking with them niggas. We just fucking with them niggas. It was fucking with them niggas. Them niggas was fresh, niggas. They had cleats on, saucy-ass shoes. You feel me?

Like, shit like us. Yeah, man. I love your slang, and I'm slowly realizing that you're not actually talking about people wearing cleats. Yeah, man. The play runners, what you run your plays and what you work in,

you want that feel, right? No cleats. So, yeah, like that. We locked in with them niggas. You know what I mean? It was just rocking and just in the greed holes. You know what I mean? Just, at that time,

that's when niggas was, like. You know what? That's what everything was like right here. You know what I mean? So when the niggas was coming to the bay, we ran carpet laying it down the same way they laid down for us. You feel me? But it was amazing, bro.

I locked them with them. Like I love Shoreline. All fucking four of them. Period. Like I said, I love all four of them. Talk to all of them, you know, in my own way. Who would them? They know what's at then.

Every time I see them, it's like yesterday. I don't got to talk about nothing. That's what any artist though. I don't want to hear about what the fuck happened in this and happened with that. What's going on? You been chasing peace? What's happening?

No, I'm not about to guess if you're okay. Niggas, you good? You straight? All right, we're straight then. You ain't got nothing to drink for you, you know what I mean? We're going to unwind. Let's do some push-ups. I might stop at 17 or something

because I ain't been getting right, but let's do something though. Get back in that bag. Get in your duffel. And I mean, and that's how I want them to, you know, to treat me, embrace me like that. Come to one of my sessions, you know, you ain't feeling it. Stop to fucking, we ain't

going to play no music. I learned that from my producer, DTB. Before I even make music, he sit down, we talk for like three hours. Right. Then he makes the beat. And it'd be like one of the best beats ever. Because he just felt my energy. He just got updated.

It's about the energy. When it comes to music. Yeah. Because motherfuckers can rap on beats all day, but it's like the one that's gonna really hit is gonna be the one that has some fucking real feeling behind it. And you can't really get that unless you just... That's why the album, Mike, that's my album, bro.

Thank you for fucking woman. That's why I named it. Thank you for fucking, you know, people are always knowing me for, you know, speaking my mind or, you know, saying, like you said, saying shit that, you know, people wouldn't say, you know, things like that. I always felt like the beat didn't judge me. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm, so...

Nah, that's just really how I feel. The album, you're going to hear some crazy. I got some good shit on there, some great features on there. Jeez-y on that bitch. Foti on that bitch. Sada baby on that bitch. Peezy on that bitch.

Ooh, I got Vince Staples on that bitch. Hey. He came buzzer-beater. How did you guys get connected? That's my partner, bro. My partner, like, without even shaking his hand. I never shook him his hand before.

Right. But that's my partner. I feel like, I've been knowing him for life. The way he explained my music to me really made me feel like, damn, this is my partner. It's a partner I ain't never even, you know, locked in with. The way he broke my shit down and let me know, I'm like, wow, bro.

Like, that's lit. And you know Vince, Vince is a dog. Music world in his hood. You know what I mean? Nogers, no. That's Vince. So for him to break that down and just be paying attention to that, that shit really cut me deep, bro.

I really fuck with that. I got some gas on that bitch You gonna love it Respect Um It's kind of weird to think back On that time period Like

Shoreline broke up Grito locked up Draco Thank God luckily Was able to get out Because for a minute there It kind of felt like Damn are we gonna see Draco again

And it's weird to like Look back at these time periods That were so fucking Vivid in my memory Like that's one that I definitely knew that it was something special. I was on tour making them hook

lock my phone into the Bluetooth and I used to talk to Drake off for hours while I was on tour that's literally on the phone and run through the minutes call right back

went on that motherfucker laughing, laughing, joking me and his auntie, A1, shit it just fucked me up even being that real and loud having them on the shirt like

I look down like my man my nigga ain't even dead like but it felt like it. I mean, like I was talking to him too, but it felt like it. Damn, bro. So that's why, you know, when he got out and shit, that's why, you know, I felt like that. Like, damn, man, that shit was crazy. I'm happy he home.

And, you know, a lot of people don't understand that. Like, people don't know, like, bro, he really dropped his nuts. You feel me at a time when the scene that, like, just the West Coast rap scene, he wasn't even on that type of time. He was the odd job, you feel, me at that time. I don't get fuck what nobody say. Niggas lingo. Niggas know the truth.

Niggas know the truth. I ain't even for to go that deep. Niggas know the truth. Right. Definitely. Where would you say that your motivation comes from in terms of like where you think you're trying to get to in the rap game? Because, I mean, there's like a certain, it's a cliche, but, you know,

a lot of NorCal rappers just stay NorCal rappers. And you can be popping in that world and never really go outside that world. What do you aspire to get out of all this? For me personally, I'm just chasing peace. I want to make great music. I want to make people feel good. And if people feel good right now, you know what I mean, I want to keep making people feel good, more people feel good.

You know what I mean? It's not a certain bar. Like, it's not a certain. I'm not hit chasing. You know what I mean? I like it. You know, of course, everybody wants to hit. You know, that'd be amazing.

Of course, that would have given a extra boost, you know, to do more, you know, and be on that. But I ain't on that. I want to make good music. And then when the shit over with, when I finally hang it up, I could say, I ran my plays. I did my best. So when I walk away from that motherfucker, I walk away. I go to another chapter and I go win.

I go executing that chapter. You know what I ain't that plaques, yeah, that's cool. That's A1. Projects, A1. Every project I want you to have, I want it to be cohesion. I want you to step into that world. I want you to really feel me, feel my energy. You don't hear some shit on my project or even on the song.

I mean, that's going to hit home or something that you was afraid to say or what you feel, you know what I mean? And it's going to let you know you ain't the only one. People will be giving me feedback on the music. I'd be like, okay, I'm not alone. Really? Bands can feel like that. Like, yeah, you help me. It really helped the artist, too.

Sometimes the artist would come off, I don't give a fuck. Right. You know what I mean? But really do. Yeah. It's serious, right? It helped me a lot. Definitely.

How much do you care about? Like, I feel like I told you that I feel like you're super respected by, like, a lot of your peers, maybe even more than your numbers suggest. And, like, you seem like you kind of have that about a bunch of different people that you respecting the game, like, is your respect the most important thing in terms of how you view what you're doing in the rap game? Yeah, of course, but in my respect, but my music, too, you know what I mean? I want my music, you know what I mean, to be up there with my respect.

You know, my respect up there, you know, I want my music to go up there. And I want, I want no handouts, like, meaning that I don't want y'all to, like, just throw it up there, you know. I'm going to climb them ladders. My music are just like I climb from my house. respect, you know what I'm going to climb for my music to be up there too. Right. I didn't just wake up with respect.

Like I don't give you fuck, who is locked in to my name and who my brother is, like who my, me, who my mom is, you know, what, I mean, what stats I got? I still had to climb up there. Right. Everybody around me had to climb up there. You know, climb up, build that respect. That's how I go. See, a lot of motherfuckers think they could buy respect.

See, you could buy music. You can, you can buy attention. You can't buy respect. What are you talking about? How much you got? I know who's you can go to. They don't give a fuck. They don't give a fucking,

the biggest motherfucker go through it. You're getting stripped. Not because they're poor. Not because of that. No, you're just getting stripped. Like, you know what I mean? Come through here. Like, you know, there's certain people that,

you can't buy that. Yeah. Can't buy that. If you're a bitch, you're going to be a bitch. If you're a cornball, once you get money, you're going to be a super fucking cornball. You know what I mean?

So in music, you know, I see it. That don't make me mad. You know, when I be seeing this, I be hearing artists like, I mean, he's a bitch. I'm going to fuck him him because he's a bitch and the way he's moving, that don't make me a number. I know what I'm here for. I mean, I've been to jail.

There's been squares around that motherfucker. You know, I've been in good rooms. It's been squares in that motherfucker fake shit. You don't see fake shit everywhere you go. Definitely. How did you end up on that blueface in GE's? song because that was like one of the that's still number one in here i like that i like that you said that's a good transition right again that's honestly say that one more time how'd you end up on that blue face and j easy

song because that's still like number one on your uh apple music and everything and i was just always curious about that because it seemed like you know you're not like a industry rapper it's not like it didn't really seem like there was much of a reason for you to be on that song aside from the fact that they just fuck with you and wanted to show you some love that's love that was my song it was your song originally yeah it's me and g this song we made it in west stoklyn oh that's so and as we was making it

um as we was making it he was like yeah man I want to get YG on this this way before it was that and that time was going on we were supposed to drop a project but I was moving around as a much he was like hey what's up with this song I'm like oh yeah

you can have that motherfucker like we don't make a hundred mo he's like yeah because I want to put so man run that he like he'll like he don't know I don't know get on it too. My man, you better go run that play. You know what I'm gonna go hunting more songs.

We're gonna hook a hundred more songs. Whatever. He like, it's good. A week later, G, B and G, drop your verse on this shit. I'm like, all right, bro, come on. Ran it. Got it back, and then it was that. It was a play.

We had a hell of fun, making that record. Me being on anything, I'm appreciative, you feel me? But it's just fun, bro. think of it like that. If I'm on a song or it don't work, it don't work. There's got to be a lot of times where you just get on a song like that

and all of a sudden you got like thousands of people dropping comments that have never heard you before that have opinions about you and your style. Is there ever like a moment where because we were just talking about the Draco and Sweetie song and how there's all these sweetie fans that are hearing Draco for the first time and they're like, what the fuck is this?

I assume that some percentage of like the G-EZ fans where like who the fuck is this guy and what is he doing on this song? I heard some of the sauciest roast ever. Like some of the funniest, like saucy as cruel as shit. I'm talking about shit had me laughing. Some shit had me like, you know what I mean?

But I know what I signed up for? You know what I mean? Nobody's going, not everybody's going to like you. I mean? And not everybody's going to like you. And it's people I know that like me. It's people I know that really love me, really support me. It's people I know who really rap my shit.

Word for word. You know what I mean? Don't care if I'm around and not. So tomato, tomato. I feel you. Yo, like, that last video you put out, the Caniho video, I believe you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, that's such, like, an artistic departure from a lot of the stuff you've done in the past. Like, I feel like you probably know that you can make more, like, street-sounding-ass records that or just like kind of consistently do well and sort of that's probably what a lot of your fans want to hear. But it feels like you probably wouldn't really be happy if you just sort of did the shit that your fans wanted to hear over and over. That's, thank you for fucking with that video because we really had a lot of fun making it.

We was in the middle of the desert. We went to Joshua Tree. And I mean, we really sat down and really do it. But I love the whole 70s vibe and all that. So we got the treatment together. I always wanted to, you know, move like that. But I just didn't know how to do it. So as time went on, you know, we got in that.

I was shooting wild videos like that, like with 304, you know, shit like that. But now we, as 2021, as I'm elevating as an artist, you know, I mean, I'm trying to grow. I want these visuals. I want you all to really step into my world. Like, you can hear, you hear the gas, You know what I mean, but I want you to really step into this world and really just feel that energy.

I mean, and videos really play a huge part in that, you know, so I got some more crazy shit. But being as a, what your fans want you to make, you know what I mean, what your fans want you to make. Of course, they're going to always be fans of certain style of you or what they fell in love, the song they feel in love for, and they're going to want you to keep making that song. Keep making it, keep making it, keep making it, keep making it, keep making. They're going to keep wanting that, you know? And as an artist, you know, it gets very, very hard. Because you have to have the strength to be like,

you say you want this, but I'm going to give you this. You know, like Kendrick would not have made a bunch of classic albums if you made Good Kid Mad City over and over. You know, like he had to take a departure. And you could say that about every classic album. There's always a departure from the norm. Otherwise, it's not a classic. Yeah.

For real, though. It really is. That is true. That's why, Owen, on projects I like on projects I like to go okay

how could we set it up we want to start off a party you know what I'm we want to start the project off with a party you know what I mean

and end it in the dark or do you want to start in the dark and end at a party you know what I so on the dark side

it would be the personal they know this is what they know me as you know this and then the party would be the lid the wipe to this, the day so in the party you can step outside the box I mean

in the dark shit I mean it's you you can give them that you can give them the shit that they love you know what they fell in love with but the new shit

you just make it a party throw a fucking party you can do anything in a fucking party right I mean so that helped me as artists because sometimes you know you as an artist, you keep getting into a better and better place in your life and things get more optimistic, but then like a lot of times the fans, they really want to hear some terrible

shit. They want to hear some atrocities on the beat. They love, they love the dark shit. Right. They love the dark shit. But you didn't get into the place that you're in to be more miserable. Honestly, the music, like I said, the music is my diary, so, like, I got songs, like, I got certain songs like the gold line and they'd be like what the fuck he okay

like you know like you know certain like that and it makes me laugh because like yeah I'm made one I'm fine you know I mean

I leave it all on the beat you know fans they'll judge you off that you know start a whole new life of you you know what I mean you'll say a lyric and they'll be thinking

that you this and they're just run with it but that's the artist you know That's my. Artists trick themselves off. Outday spot a lot. This is true.

For sure. Okay. What else is important for the people out there to know? The fucking project. The project. When's it fully released? May 7th. Okay.

The project. Me growing as an artist. Me growing as a man. Shit. I'll be on diaper duty taking care of babies. You know? That's a good duty. Yeah, just regular shit.

like, and I'm still rocking and rolling. It's still dusty. I'm still in the building. I'm still over, you know. My kid just started eating banana. So now her shit is like all chunky. It's a whole new. I'd rather take I'd rather take

as a father. I'd rather take the heart instead of the run. You gotta change the ones the hell of times. It's love. I love everything you come with, man. Being a father, it's amazing. But other than that,

just grinding man the project look out for more a1 shit shout out empire they're fucking blessing me you need that interview gauzy the boy right there um yeah they've been blessing me shout out all my people you know the west is on the rise and they still rising facts and that honestly your project is one that i'm super looking forward to so that's going to be thank you bro exciting to hear that thank you did just have fun with that shit That's all I try to do, have fun, and chase peace. I actually want to dig back into your older projects, too. Because I remember, like, the ones I first listened to.

I'm going to go, like, revisit those because it's been a while. You got to fuck with. You ought to go back to, like, no shame, too. You would listen to that, and you'll be like, damn. Yeah, that's my partner. Like, damn, you were moving like that. Yeah. It's a sinister guy, man.

Every project, like, had a lot of fun with this shit. I'm having fun with this shit. The shit feel good. For sure. Don't overthink shit. All Black. Don't overthink shit. Nah, that's Kenny Beats.

I know. I didn't even realize when I said it. And then I was like, alright. You go around him? Yeah. Shout out Kenny, man. Shout out Kenny. Facts.

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