No Jumper - The Andre Truth Interview: Being from Kitchen Crips, 9 Murder Charges, Drill Music & More

Episode Date: March 10, 2022

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today we've got a very unique interview going on here. Across from me, Andre Truth, who is a rapper, lifelong, or nearly lifelong member of the Kitchen Crips, Los Angeles resident. Is that correct? What else should I throw on there? That's definitely my section where I came up in.

Right. I mean, for sure. And Justin, to his left, who I've been following for, I guess, a few years on Twitter. And you reached out to me and told me that he has a really interesting. story in general in particular regarding some legal stuff that's been going on recently yeah yeah it's a big case it's a really big case uh that the lapd has posed against six individuals from uh the kitchen right and uh you know drazy to talk about it yeah for sure so maybe i mean just tell us a little bit about your background and everything i watched actually the interview that you guys did together before this

so we're going a little bit of background oh man just man i got depending on where we started from being a little kid or yeah yeah like how did you even get involved with the gang was that just automatic from just family right i mean family being from there i was a foster kid mom was uh in the pen i'm a child of the game so parental unit was both in the streets you know i mean hustling doing shit went to the went to prison right so um lived with family members and foster care and whatnot so uh looked up to my older cousins and whatnot we're from from the neighborhood you know i mean right and um when you're coming up in the neighborhood it's not really like you like i can't wait to be for this like if you're you're a you're a bear's

fan or you a Lakers fan and you know you like I'm wearing Lakers every day I'm a Laker right you know I I mean it's not really the violence part or whatever and the negativity that draws you in is more of the connection mm-hmm well especially you know a place like L.A. where it's just it's just tough to survive yeah it's pretty understandable why people would form groups to protect each other even though of course shit definitely gets out of hand but I mean it comes from a very very simple urge to be part of something and to have each other's backs yeah it's tribal You know what I mean? Tribal definitely, I would say to Lafils,

I think a lot of the humble beginnings or not humble beginnings, but the beginning of the gangsters, a lot of people I feel like misused the term OG. OGs is the people came from the 60s. Right. 68, 69, 70, 71. Those were the original gangsters.

But a teenager who's gangbanging in 2020, realistically doesn't have a lot of time to go figure that out? Nah, and he can't. It's not right that he calls itself OG. Right. Just the time frame is off. But when you look at your time spent

in gangs and shit. How early, how close to the beginning do you feel like you were? Like, were you still sort of connected to the roots? Hell no. I was hell. No, not at all. My family members were, but not at all. I wasn't thinking about it. There's got to be some people out there who actually have like elders who are really telling them about the real history. Because even like, I'll be watching random interviews and stuff sometimes and realizing like, wow, these people are still alive who are around for the very, very beginning of this. It's definitely like that. We definitely have the original people who, you know, name the neighborhood. Right. You know what I mean? They're still there.

One of my homies' fathers is the general, you know what I mean, who started it. Then there was just back then you had to go to a school called Fremont off the Central Avenue on the east side. You had to announce what your neighborhood was going to be. So you couldn't just pop up and say, we're this gang, with this, you have to go there and be accepted by the rest of the community who was gangs. Right. You know what? You said why? What? Oh, you said right?

No, I said right, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I think, but as far as the original people who were there, oh, they're still around. Right. Oh, for sure. I mean, so I built with them and just came up as a kid and, you know, got the origins of how the neighborhood started and everything else, you know? Right.

The one thing I really took from that interview that you guys did is that you weren't just from the hood, that you were very much, very active. Yeah, I was active, yeah. Like, that was your, as much as I've read and learned about Gang Bang over the years, I still found that interview pretty illuminating, just how you talked about how simple it really is for someone in that lifestyle to gain respect and it's really just through acts of violence yeah if you want some stripes get them get them tonight right if you want to be great at a podcast do it tonight you know what I mean

don't talk about it if I can do it right you're doing it so I think for people on the streets who want to be something it felt like you're at this place or you're not anything right you can be something over here and you can be the hood hero right you know I mean and so what was that process like though of you sort of realizing that you could sort of define your identity through acting out in that way it's like being a part you know of like I said I I'm going to reference sports. Like, you're a running back or a quarterback, and it's game time, and you get to show what you're working with.

So you're going to go score the touchdown, you're going to run the extra yards. So it's like that in the streets. And I think the easiest thing to understand is that if you're my friend, and I've clicked with you, and we walk down the street right now, and we go get something to eat down the street, and somebody jumps on you. I'm with you, so I should have your back.

I'm not going to let somebody whoop you when I'm right there with you. We're going to fight together. You know what I mean? If it's five of them against us, two, or us three, then we're going to stay down with each other. So I think that's the rapport you build with everybody. And then I didn't have a natural hate for so-called enemies. I had to be shot at or chased or jumped or, you know, anything like that to develop that.

Right. You know what I mean? I think some, I think in this newer generation, people are just like, fuck them. They're across the street. That's what it is. Fuck them. I had to develop that going through, you know, trials and tribulations with the opposition. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. No, definitely. There's definitely like people I have even had on the show who it's like their whole idea of having enemies it's like number one it's enemies that there's gang their gang is supposed to have had for like you know 40 years or whatever but then also just through events that have happened to them right they then also have this fucking bloodlust based on you know actual things that have happened to them and that just absolutely compounds that cycle so that it but whereas on the other hand i know people who completely get along who are from like uh you know opposing gangs yeah there hasn't really

been any violence for an extended period of time. And even in some cases, it's like they don't really want to be like publicly mega link together, but behind closed doors, they'll totally be cool. Yeah. But then if they were to be on camera together, it might get a little weird. You know, I think that comes with the times changing. You know what I mean? Because there was a point where you're not going to find out unless people were related, you could have a creep in the blood across the street from each other. We have a street called Central Avenue to separate certain neighborhoods going down from Compton to downtown L.A. to wide, south central downtown in LA. And there's all these different gangs

a part of that. So you could have someone who's the same household, mom and dad or same dad. One lives on this side of the street. The mom moved across the street. Now he's from this hood and you from this hood. So they're brothers, so they're not going to beef with each other. But they're going to beef with their friends next door to him. And then, like, going back to what you said, I've experienced

that growing up that certain friends of mine love the violence. They loved it. So you got certain serial killers, you know, in a different level when gang bang was really at its peak, I feel. And I feel like it's getting a new surge again by people doing a lot of fucking internet and IG shit you know I mean yeah yeah it's like people thought that social media was supposed to bring everybody together yeah right and make it

so that everybody could be like oh everybody we're all the same right and instead it's like you so often just see it used as a tool of creating division and it's like you know a lot of people be like oh like music doesn't cause violence I mean okay if you listen to some of this fucking drill music You really have a hard time making that argument. Because a lot of it is, you know, yes, it would probably be happening through some other medium if music didn't exist. But music does exist and music is catchy. People love it. And it clearly is like, you know, inflaming a lot of these beefs all over the country and world, really.

It's the soundtrack to the beef. And if you look at the gang banging, it was a soundtrack to a lifestyle. So if you got MCA making a song growing up in the hood, yeah, boy, 1984. And you got people who are like, that's us. And we're going to perpetuate that now because it's being. and wrapped about too, especially, so we're really going to show you what time it is. Right. You know what I mean?

Which is interesting. Right. I think now it's crazy because you catch people now where it used to be don't talk business over the phone. If you were selling weed, you didn't tell somebody, I got 10 pounds, meet me on the corner. Right. You didn't do that on the phone. Now it's just normal for everything on the phone. And I remember when IG started, it was beautiful pictures.

Right. You remember? Filters. It wasn't ratcheted out yet. Girls wasn't naked, gang banging, wasn't. I liked it. I was like, oh, this is a puppet. Right.

So as soon as we get a new social media outlet, it's going to turn ratchet. As soon as the right people get a hold of it, no matter if you started, you know, whatever it is, nice people. I remember when Chief Keith Keith came out and I started reading the YouTube comments. Yeah. And just seeing like people who like clearly live in the same city, threatening to kill each other in the comments. And I'm like, oh, this is what the internet has become. Wow, that didn't really take that long. Okay.

And then now you see people saying, I killed your boy. and I'm right here. You're incriminating yourself doing the most, talking about what you did. Then you're going to somebody's grave and pissing on graves. It's just a different level of disrespect that I think has come with everybody wanting to be

some type of star or wanting to be seen. And that's what I think social media is giving everybody a light to say, I'm somebody, look at me. Right. You know what I mean? Is there a moment that stands out to you when you sort of maybe decided

to leave your prior life behind? Yeah. When you've just decided that all the violence was no good? I think certain things come with growth where you just like, I've been, if you've been working on the railroad for 30 years, a part of you was like, all right,

I'm getting a little tired of working on the railroad. I'm tired of getting up 4 a.m. I like to sleep until 8 a.m. So there was a point where being a kid for me where it was to get up and to go see what we could do across Covent Avenue or across Central. Right. It wasn't about getting money.

Like, at least these days, people are talking about getting money. Right. Then it wasn't about getting money, especially on the east side. How many years would you really say that that was your life? Because you can't really do that for that long, right? You got to get burnt out at some point.

You get burnt out, but you've got people who still aren't burnt out who are 60 years old, the originals who are still part of that because that's all they know and all they have. They haven't got a chance to go to the beach seven miles away. They haven't got a chance to go to New York. They haven't traveled the world like me. They haven't been around. I was literally going to Paris. I was in trouble before.

I wasn't in trouble, but it was years in the 90s where my friends got charged with this RICO act type of situation. And I was just a little homie. They didn't want me or nothing like that, but I had one of my friends say, hey, your face is on the wall. And I went to Paris France. Right. Literally left my neighborhood with khakis and chucks on, talked to a friend of mine who was, she was going out to Europe,

and she was like, this is how you get your passport. This is what you do. Jump on a plane. I flew from L.A.X. to Boston. I was in Paris. For how long? Two months. Okay.

And when I came back, they had knocked on my mom's door already. They had knocked on prior to that asking, you know, because, you know, back then it was just a tattoo that could have you connected to something that you had nothing to do with, but just it's like racketeering the Rico like John Gotti type shit but those two months took the the attention off you hell yeah I don't think they wanted me anyway but I think the fact that if my friend told me there's an upper top tier and then I'm on the bottom tier right you know I mean but then there was also snitches that was going out of the way to not snitch on me to say drain got nothing to

do with nothing he wraps wow you know I mean so even if I was involved with anything they were saying I wasn't so that was a great what the fuck was it was like to be just being Paris all of a My parents was fucking, I was gang banging in front of the fucking locker tower. I was wearing the helmet, KC87. I was, boy, I was just, it was amazing, you know what I mean? And I was always a very well-mannered and well-spoken person at my worst time. My worst street shit when I was doing the worst. You could tell you, I come into your parents, hey, how you doing, Mr. Grand Mason, you know, to your dad or your mom or whatever?

Hey, how are you doing? They're not going to know I'm out here running with an AK. Right. Or I just dump something out, you know, because I'm respectful. So I knew the difference of, it's like, for instance, you know, for instance, is if me and me and Justin are walking into the grocery store and routes and we're like yeah my nigger and overusing my nigger I'm gonna tone it down when I see white folks or older black folks or anybody else that's not involved with our circle right because it's doing too much you know I mean

so I think that it it references to that too as well right you know but to get back to what you said to change things there's definitely a level of life that's lost since I was 13 there's people being killed that were my friends right you know even before I was active you know I mean I wasn't even active yet you know what I mean but I was watching going to funerals from that young age of kids. And I look back at people I got tattooed on me, when we were kids, they died in 16 and 17. I can't believe we were only, I'm a dad now, you know what I mean?

So I can't believe we was only 15 and 16, doing grown-man-ass shit and actually having warfare like we in Vietnam somewhere and having the pressure. I was calling my mom one time. I remember a time when you said, and this was early, I was in my 20s, and my mom calling her every day for like two weeks

because it was so popping that I was thinking I wasn't going to make it. You know what I mean? So I didn't want to tell her. I don't think I'm gonna make it I just hey mom I love you Hey this that and the third I love you And I made a point to car Because we about to go outside

And we go outside Straps is on the lap And as soon as we see them It's active on site Right You know and that was a different level When things become personal As opposed to

Gang Bang was set up to where it's like I'm gonna come across your street And shoot up your house And I'm gonna tell you where we had And that we did it Right We hanging out right here on 87th street Come back over here and see us

Right It's ridiculous So like just staying in the crib Wasn't an option Hell no No you had to be out of You had to basically let yourself be a target. Yeah.

But you're out there with guns all day and the fucking cops are obviously, they see you there, right? Yeah. Well, at that point, it was more normal to see gangs out. Yeah. Now you'll drive through anybody's neighborhood not know they're there, but they're there. They're just inside. Right. Or in the backyard.

But do you think that's a change in gangbanging or do you think that's just a change in, like, social media and shit where people are just, they stay in the crib. They watch Netflix. Nobody's standing out on the street at 9 p.m. Well, gangbangers are because. The whole ideology, even to this date, is to be with the homies. It's to be in the hood. It was times, my guy, it was times Adam.

I was in fucking Spain, Amsterdam. And I'm like, I'm in Amsterdam. The homie, like, nigga, we're in the set. Like, fuck that shit you're talking about. We're in the set. So it was almost like I wasted time to that particular individual telling him what I was doing when he was like, I'm in a Notre Dame looking at the Mona Lisa.

Fuck the Mona Lisa because we're over here getting cracking. Where are you at and making me feel, damn? I got to get back. I got to go get cracking. You know what I mean? I got to keep this. You know, when you become a hood hero, I've become a hood hero at times where you're being attacked at a funeral or some kids or something's happening. Then you come and you're the hero.

Right. You know what I mean? And that's a different honor. Or you ride for your, you're my potting and you get knocked down. And your mom says, fuck that. Somebody do something and we go take care of it. And the mom is like, that honor is unmatched. Right.

It's unmatched. It's to have a mother know your gang banging to go avenge her son and to hug you and tell you, thank you. It makes it in this bullshit of this, you know, circle of self-coaching of what we got that feels normal. It feels extremely normal. You know what I mean? You feel honorable. Like, this is 300. This is Sparta.

You know what I mean? Like you feel like you're doing something right. Because if you take a soldier and take him when guys come back with PTSD, they come back, but they've been, they were programmed to think brown people were all the enemy. So you got white boys and black folks coming back. It's like them dudes right there are the enemy. I've been killing them for this long. And I need to deprogram.

So a lot of us that want to kill somebody that looks like us that's from the same community that were separated by one street is fucked up. Our moms go to the same churches, go to the same grocery stores, and literally we had lights like, let's get the fuck out of here. Like, you know what I mean? Literally, you can see when I grew up across Central was the Bloods and across Compton. And that was the Crips and we didn't get along with nobody.

Right. On both sides. I saw a good tweet the other day. So maybe after all, your enemies were China and Russia and not the people around the corner who looked just like. That's a cold thing. I was like, America definitely loses sight of that. Yeah, we do.

We do. We do. No offense to China and Russia. No, no. The Hatfields and McCoy's. If you look at a lot of gangbanging, it's a crypts at the East Coast's and the kitchens was worn for 30 years. But if you think of the origin when it started from a dice game.

Really? From somebody scrapping and the scrap going wrong and somebody pulls out a gun and kills one person in its own every year for since. So little baby infant such and such as got put on the hood. He don't even know why he's going to do. going across the street to kill these people. That was important for me to learn. How did the hood start?

What was our origins? Why are we beefing with these people? I'm logistics. I want to know what the fuck is going on. I don't want to just be blind in it, because at least when I'm in it, I at least know why. Oh, this is some crazy shit, but I know why I'm dedicated to it. Right.

You know what I mean? Definitely. So did we hit the moment when you started to shy away from that game game? I would say different levels of success and life. Right. Like gaining and seeing different things in life pulls you away from things because you're too busy for it now. So it's not even a conscious decision to say,

you know what, I'm gonna stop this shit. Because when you're somebody from somewhere and you're recognizing your face is known, you can't never stop. Right. Even if you stopped, even if you, a Christian, somebody remembers you from 1992 doing something to their brother or their mama, and you still carry that weight. That's why when I would see singers and famous rappers

who weren't gang members that were coming to LA and be like, I'm a blood, I'm a crib. If it was soldier boy, if it was Chris Brown, whoever was you inherit the drama that comes along with claiming this neighborhood that you know nothing of. You could be a good person and you just feel the love from the brotherhood of it, but you don't know all the negativity that's come before this that now you carry on your back for reppping that thing is deeper than what people think. Right.

You know, it's a lot of death that comes with that with people that people don't fucking forget, you know? It's definitely not something to be played with. So I would say success of different levels of success in your life and being busy. And not like I went to New York and saw the promise land like, this is the new life. Fuck it. But I'm busy now. I'm fucking working. I'm traveling.

I'm touring with Bone Thugs. I'm touring with Snoop. I'm doing whatever. I'm making moves. I'm too busy. Right. You know what I mean? I'm too fucking busy.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's what I think a lot of us who are in the communities need more situations to be busy. Right. We need, I think it should be a boys and girls club in every fucking hood. Yeah. You know what I mean?

With everybody who came from the hood who has wisdom and experience now, to say, we're going to take these babies right here and bring them on. As a 12 year old just got put on our neighborhood and he wanted to meet me. He's like, I want to meet him. And I met him over FaceTime. He met him. He already got shot in the back already. He's 12. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And that breaks your heart.

Because you're like, how could I consciously look at this man's mom and she knows who I am? And she's like, I want to meet you, Dre? Like, oh, that's what's up? Cool, I want to meet you. But how can I consciously tell this little boy, you don't need to be from this. You need to be doing this, that and the third. But then, on the other hand, you can be from this and be somebody.

So how do we change the face of this shit? Like can we have some people who are crips going to be attorneys and cops and lawyers and podcasters? Can we do that now? I think that that's happening to a degree. I was thinking the other day that like, you know, gangs are like religions in a lot of ways. Facts. Where a lot of people use religions for really terrible things to justify awful bigotry and violence and whatnot. And then, you know, we all know plenty of people who use religion as, you know, their warm blanket that makes them feel good about what is going to have.

happen to them after they die or whatever, you know? And gang man is kind of like that too, where it's like, really, there's no stipulation that there has to be violence attached to this, you know? Right, right. And that's the crazy. Just kind of how it works out. And the weird thing is that there's a part that you have to know about that. I agree with you. And then the other part, there's people who want to be violent. I remember a guy coming in town, you know, different neighborhoods in L.A. have chapters in other cities. Right. You know what I mean? Like a motorcycle club, like Sons and Anarchy or whatever have you. And I remember a dude coming in town from another chapter, and he was like just chilling for a minute, hit the blunt,

and he looked over and he said, I'm ready to kill something. He wanted to get to L.A. to get his stripes so he could go back home to be like, I went to the Mecca, and I'm respected and I got my stripes. Killed somebody you don't know. At all, but he knew it was an enemigo of the neighborhood.

Wow. You know what I mean? And that's the funny thing, too, like my neighborhood is like the biggest neighborhood in Memphis. You know what I mean? Out of all places Memphis are the deepest. But there's a bunch of that. Yeah, the Grape Street is huge in Memphis, too.

And we've on the smallest neighborhoods here. the most original. I was going to ask that. How big are the kitchens out here? Small. Okay. Two different chapters. Damn near three because other people clicking up with us, but two chapters, eight seven and eleven six. And small neighborhoods, everybody know everybody, real family oriented. A lot of families are the makeup of the hood. Right. You got one of my road dogs who did 22 years, VG. Fly, his whole family is, I would say out of 40 people, I'd say 30 of them is from the, was from the set. You know what I mean? From the section, for sure. Right. So it's a trip because, you know, you think like,

isn't there something else, but I think that the level of violence comes with certain people who want that because I've been involved with doing things when I was doing something. I'm doing it out of the honor and the respect, and you just slap me, I'm gonna slap you back.

Somebody else is like, I love this shit. And I'm looking at my own homie like, God damn. It's clearly something that is going to attract people that want to do violent things. But there's a lot of things that are like that. Somebody who has that violent impulse might go take a fucking karate class. It might go be a UFC fighter or something shit.

police officer. Right. It was getting tunked as a kid. Now he's turned up. They're right. Football or something if you want to smack somebody around. Then it's like, I think it was a full metal jacket and somebody was like, well, God is going to do this and God is going to do that.

And he said, ain't no God here. That AR, that AK-47 is your God. Here, you can talk to God all day, but that AK is going to be what it is. So I think a lot of that in gangbanging, you took in nice little boys. That was 12, 13 years old that could have been something and that was put in a position to be a grown-ass man because you told the kid. something, not economically make yourself better at help the neighborhood, go kill something. You ain't shit until you kill something.

How Biggie said you're nobody or somebody killed you. Out here, you ain't nobody until you kill something. Right. You know? Well, I'm sure you know guys who have made those calls and everything. Like, how do you look at that now? Like, is it make you feel horrified? Or do you just still understand it so well that it's hard for you to judge it?

You know, I think when me and Justin was talking about earlier, it's like, like my little homies coming up and tell me like, such and such just did something to us and my mind is like, I got TV shows I'm working on, I'm executive producing, I want to hire you

and get you on the job and you steal it from the hood, but we're going to work. But they want to go back, they got slapped, so they want to slap back. So do I tell a man who's got testosterone,

a young man, don't slap back. You know, it's kind of like, it puts you in a fucked up, catch 22, you know what I mean? No, you know, but, you know, no,

intended, you know what I'm saying? But it puts you in a crazy situation where you're like, I want to tell this young boy to do something different like I've chosen to do in my life. But he's making itself. He's getting stripes. Who are you in the mafia? Who are you in a gang if you ain't did nothing to prove who you are?

How can you be trusted? You know what I mean? And that's the craziest thing when you get to things about people telling on people because, you know, like these days, I don't know who's doing what. I just know I hear things just like everybody else here is things that you don't want to know. Right. You know what I mean? You don't. Not unless you're involved in a situation and it's your clique.

We had clicks coming up to where you got, it's beef and it's. in so much people's neighborhoods, they got more beef with somebody in their neighborhood than they do with a so-called op. Right. With an enemy. It's bad. You got people killing their own homies. Right. You know what I mean?

And, you know, we've had numerous situations. Do you remember a time when it was primarily blood on Crip versus now where it's pretty much just whoever? Definitely, definitely. I would say the early 90s for sure. That's kind of the last time it was really like that? I would say. And then every Crip start having a Crip on Crip enemy. Right.

So a lot of people didn't understand that, but it's tribes. It was less about colors and more about the tribe. We in Africa, if we in England and there's different tribes, somebody's going to have a problem and how are they going to settle it? You know what I mean? We're going to come to some type of conflict. T'Challa, Black Panther had to get some fucking conflict. You know what I mean?

And he was the king, you know what I mean? And running everything and someone challenged him. So it's like if someone challenges you, you have to meet the challenge. You can't avoid it. You know what I mean? If you signed up for this shit. And you hear certain people say, that comes with gang bang. It comes with it.

But then how do you grow up? from that. Only how you grow from that is other people who have grown as well. Then you see them in the streets. Then you see them and it's like I ain't even on that. Dissing. Like I used to diss as a teenager. Every diss in every hood as a dis. In music. No, dising in gangs.

Every hood has a diss. Right. You know what I mean? It could be the stupidest shit, Adam Fuwenny Fooke. You know, Adam Winnie Pooh. And you're like, what the fuck? So now I'm a fuck. Some of the gangdises are so goddamn funny, but I can't I can't publicly laugh at them, but I think They're the funniest shit. And we know they are.

We know they are. But it's the fact that if you, what kind of, what energy do you put on the word? So I'm going to call Apple now, you Apple and I'm calling a girl a bitch. But how, what's the term? Like if I get somebody that says, we're having a heated argument, me and Justin and it's like, we're having a debater argument. He's like, yeah, nigger. I'm like, hey, homie, hold up.

Don't call me out my name, but we may call each other my niggas all the time. Hey, whatever, my nigga, but the tone. Yeah. My nigger. What's happening, homie? Like, even when I came in, I'm speaking to people. Hey, what's up, homie? It's a thing that's like, just in those words is letting you know.

Right. I know what's up. You know what's up. We don't even need to know who's who and where everybody's from and where they're not from. It don't matter. Right. But then you got, see, I feel like.

Yeah, when you walked in here, there was a whole bunch of gang members that I'm sure you sniff that out. Yeah. And I was sort of paying attention to the corner of my eye to see how you would approach them and you said, hey guys, how y'all do it? How I will acclimate myself in the situation? Yeah, for sure. Because I know if I talked to them for a couple of minutes, I'm probably ordered a lot of them

anyway. I like savvy. I like savvy's dope, you know what I'm saying? So I already got, we ain't got no problems. You know what I mean? And even if I came in and it was an enemy, supposedly enemy, I'm still going to handle myself in a different way because I'm on a different page until that person trips, then, all right, now I'm sunken down to a low vibration.

Now I got a trip. You know what I mean? For sure. I probably should ask this question earlier, but Justin, where are you coming from and how did you guys meet? Yeah, what we met must have been like eight, nine years ago. Yeah. You know, I've been a music journalist for the past 10 years. I ran hip-hop DX for a while.

I worked at Empire Distribution, creating content for them. I've written for television. So my roots in Los Angeles are writing about rap music. Right. I left investment banking to pursue this goal of being the greatest rap journalist of all time. Wow. Two very different ideal, like financial situations there, right? You know, it's all ones and zeros.

Okay. It's still on the Internet. But you're right. It's still a relationship game between the two. So I'd say that's a similarity. And so we met, I can't remember exactly how we met at this point. But, you know, he's a super talented artist. You know, we will cover him on hip-hop DX.

He was also doing a lot of licensing work for different TV shows. Still am. Yeah, exactly. So I'll pass across through music. And through that, we became friends. And I became in a position to understand his life a lot more. My life is totally different. You know what I mean?

Like I don't come from a gang-banging background. I grew up in the South. You know, I've got a two-parent household, and neither one of them let me stay outside too late at night. Yeah, right. Yeah. So, and so just, that's how we clicked.

And so we've been working on a couple of projects together. So he has a video called Memories I dropped last year, so I was helping with the promotion on that. We're developing a podcast now called Truth in Company, so we're working on that. And these conversations just kept coming up and kept being loud and so pervasive in general that it's just, it's just,

really compelling the way that he breaks it down in a tangible way for people who aren't necessarily close to it. Right. But also doesn't shy away from the tough decisions that he's had to make, you know, through that lifestyle. Yeah. You know what I mean? One of the things that was most interesting to me about the conversation that we posted

on my channel was him talking about his mom, his mom's influence on, on his, him getting into the game, hey, you got to get out there, go get it. You got to go do something. You ain't go sit around, do nothing. You got to do something. Right. You got to do something. You know what I mean?

Now my mom's different now. you know what I'm saying back then you know what I mean that's the question is just how honest do you want to be with your kids yeah you know do you want to treat your kids like you would treat your friend yeah you know or do you want to treat your kid like they're supposed to be this fucking angel yeah and I think I think for me I'm in the middle of it because I don't want to expose everything to my children right because they're so innocent and they're not ratchet you know I mean they're intelligent but my mom was very aggressive on things by having a a single son by herself being a black woman single son look your light skin you're going to fight. This is what's going on. And if your little dick get hard, don't look at your sister. Like, really raising me to be a protector, to understand what it is, to how to deal with children, how to deal to make me be a great

big brother and to be a great father. Because a lot of people don't get that training and gangbang, and everybody don't get the training. If you go to jail, shut your mouth. Because they're going to tell you, you want a burger. We're going to eat life right now. You better, these people aren't the judge and the jury. These are the ushers. Shut the fuck up. You're going to be here a minute

and let this shit ride out. So I think that for my mother, education was something she came from the game. So education was everything for her to give me at the young age of where we were, and we were moving around. We were in California, New Orleans, Seattle, Vegas, then back to L.A., then back to New Orleans, you know. So, and then me being with family members, and so my mom had to give me the straight-up truth. And then she had to tell me where to hide the money at. Hey, this money's right here, hide this.

If somebody come, just because I was the one who she had to depend on and she had to give me a lot of game. And that was the best way. And now I look back to say, yeah, my mom was like, One of these other little fast-tail girls running around here that I look at now, like, damn, she can run around and leaving her kids with the family and all that, but that's what she was chasing at the time. Right. You know what I mean? She was a Black Panther for two weeks. You know what I'm saying?

And she's from Oakland. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And it was like the game was calling. You know what I mean? So, you know, it's interesting though when you come up and shit and if the family business is killing cows, you may say, I don't want to kill cows. You may say, I don't want to go fucking be an investment baker. But when the game time come to make some money and kill some cows, you may say, you may be a kid.

Like shit, I know what to do. Let me get this money. We're going to kill some cows. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? What's it like being friends with him if he's kind of coming from more of a civilian background? Now I got so many friends and so many different backgrounds. It's great.

You know what I'm saying? It's great. And then you got to understand two. Different homies that I grew up looking up to are in a different space. They were horrible fathers in 80s and 90s. Now they're kids in the 2000. They're the most phenomenal fathers ever. The wisdom, the experience.

But Justin is great. I like the conversations we have in the perspective he has on things. because I have such a locked perspective on what I believe in, then I'll hear his perspective, and it'll make me look at it a little different for a minute. I'm not really big on looking at things differently once I see it the way it is. So he has that side to him that makes me say,

oh, I didn't think about it like that. And I don't give most people that credit, because I think most people are limited in what their thought process is. Certain homies I'm not going to tell, I'm with Adam right now, and we're chilling, or I'm on a roller coaster, they don't want to hear that.

You know what I mean? So you keep certain conversation for certain people. I'm open from people in my neighbor to call me, but how long is our conversation going to last? We're going to talk two hours. We're going to talk two minutes. You know what I mean? So you'll know what somebody's talking about.

So I enjoy fucking with him. It's the different perspective and things that I learn at the same token. So it's cool. Right. You know what I mean? Straight up. Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic, though, because we are very, very hard-headed to a degree.

Like, I think both of us really love debating. We love telling somebody, they wrong in a way. You know what I mean? And you take that and we have just two very different perspectives just reflexively. Sometimes things get louder than they will today on this podcast, but we always

end up in the right place. Yeah, no, I'm in that category too. But I kind of like learn to pick my battles where it's like I used to always just be on go mode. If somebody said something I didn't agree with, I'd be like, no. Me too. We're going to argue right now about this. And as I get older, it's more like, no, you got a reserve of your fucking energy a little bit. You can't just be really going to war with your

girl because she said that she likes a son that you don't like or something like that. Because in my head it's a possibility. This could go down right now. Everybody don't deserve it. I've been acting to send you with my energy. I think I've seen you. I don't know if it was an interview. I don't know if it was something with Sharp and the girl. But I mean when things

was going left and getting out of hand, I saw you a couple times be like, you wanted to be like, hey, let me, but you was like, let me let this man talk. Let me let this woman talk. But it felt like it was getting a little while where it's past the point of conversation. I mean, for me, like, the kind of conversationalist I am is, like, if you ask me a question, I want to literally answer the question.

I want to give you a comprehensive answer the best I can. And a lot of times I'll be dealing with people on the show who are just arguing, and I just see them arguing past each other over and over and over, and it's so far away from any actual real disagreement. And I'm always trying to, like, reel the conversation back in and be like, okay, what is the primary thing that you disagree with here because in a lot of the things with Sharp, like I feel like he's gotten better where he's realized that he

wants to be a little bit less aggressive and talk over the people a little bit less. But it's kind of like, you know, I just really want to identify the conflict and figure out which side each of you on. Because a lot of times it feels like you guys are on the same exact side. You're just arguing, you know? Because I saw Sharp, I think somebody told me about it.

I met him at Slink's, Slink Johnson's show. Oh, nice. And Slink's a good friend of mine. Oh, yeah, love Slink. But I saw him do, I think, the underbelly thing or something, and I was so impressed the way that he talked to the guy to an interview, are you trying to manipulate me? Come on, Joseph.

Where friends are, I was like, this is great. It's a genius. I fuck with him, you know what I mean? Because it was a different level of intelligence being used and showing like, you're not gonna manipulate me and have me look like I'm Mr. Pimpin on Figueroa all day. I'm a grown-ass man and I'm living and I'm doing different things and I'm intelligent.

You know what I mean? I think a lot of people underestimate how intelligent people are who are disenfranchisers who are from, you know, poverty-stricken neighborhood. So many great people, you know what I mean? It's fucked up because even in the gangs, you'll have a good person who has to advocate violence. You know, like the old thing,

would you rather be a fear king or a love king? Now, all of us would want to be loved, but you better be feared. You know what I mean? Are you going to get walked on? And that's fucked up. Because if you got a good heart, you know what I'm saying? You want to be loved, you know what I mean?

But you have to do certain things based on the principle. There's things I've done in life that I had to do just because and I didn't want to do it. Right. You know what I mean? I knew if I slapped somebody or punched him and I handled it by myself, then the gang ain't going to kill him.

Because I'm like, hey, I got it. Let me get down with him. But I know I'm doing him a favor by me stepping out to get down with you because they want to massacre you. And they're going to do you dirty. And that's not, if you ain't did nothing to me like that, I don't want to see that.

Anyway, you got to really do something to me now to make me want to see you dead. Right. You know what I mean? Like straight up. And I think it's too easy for us to deal with death these days. You got everybody like that's just showing out and don't really mean it.

People aren't really who they are a lot of times. And other times people are exactly who the fuck they are on IG. Yeah, bitch, fuck you and this crib or this blood, woo, who I am. And other people, it's a persona. It's like, well, I'm going to give them what they want. You know what I mean? What's the do, Charleston White? Entertaining is fuck.

Yeah. But you see feeding into it like, I'm going to give them what they want. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's entertaining. But he's feeding.

It's like a source that needs your attention. to be able to give what he's going to give to be entertaining. Right. You know, and I think two of the most entertaining people I've seen online would be Charleston White and Crip Mac.

You know what I mean? That I've enjoyed, you know, I've actually told business people I work with like, yo, this shit is fucking crazy. Yeah, okay. Crip Mac's brand of Cripping has been a bit controversial in the city.

Some people love it. Some people hate it. What's your perspective as somebody who's been doing this for a lot longer than him? He's a younger dude, and I'm not mad at him. I think that we do a lot things to be accepted and to be in things and we want to show we the downness you know what I'm saying

and that's too a fault at times you know what I'm saying and I think people are good people you know what I'm saying I'm saying? I love the good heart you know what I'm saying everything but then it's certain things on you that have put you in something now oh yeah now that you in it now so how do you look at somebody else from another neighborhood or you whacking out or you don't like they're saying he's a good person somebody else who's intelligent to see that right like oh he a youngster he He don't know no better. He will be 15 years later, he's going to be different. Five years later.

We have a co-host who does the podcast here with me sometimes, and then, and he's from Hoover. And then we got Crip Mac, and he does the show sometimes. We've done a very good job so far. I'm never allowing them being here to overlap. Right. I mean, T.R. That's what I'm talking about from Hoover. But, like, you know, he could get along with a lot of people who are from neighborhoods

that he's technically not supposed to get along with. He's made that clear to me, like, I can be on the podcast. I could be around this guy and this guy, even though we're not supposed to, technically, Who can't the fuck? With Crip Mac is different. It's like the thing that he's never going to be able to get rid of. And he just got it redone. Oh, yeah.

So definitely you're going nowhere. And the thing is, the thing is that, you know, to all respect to Crip Mac or any, any soldier from any hood, is that it don't be cracked up what it is to be sometimes when you locked up. You know what I'm saying? You locked up, it's like, who's writing you? Who's really staying down? I remember Pock said, knowing deep inside, only a few love me. You know, other people will look at you and be like, yeah, he put, and we'll love the energy you have because you're repping the same thing. That's the energy of a neighborhood

is that you rep what I rep. You could be the scum of the earth and I'm doing great shit over here, but we rep the same thing so we have that connection, like family. Right. You know what I mean? So I think for his brand of Crippin, I like certain things about his brand of Crippin because it's old school. Only wears blue. There was a time I was that person. You know what I'm saying? It was a time, you know what I'm saying? And still don't really feel comfortable in red. I think it's too bright for me. You know what I'm saying? But maybe that's the programming. Right. You know what I mean? But I'm not mad at nobody else wearing it. I mean, savvy was just sitting here.

He's great for his whole life. He's wearing a bunch of red today. Nobody even thinks twice about it. No, it's a different time now. At one point in time, you couldn't do that. One point in time, that wasn't accepted. It's a different generation now, different time. These kids is coming up now.

They don't even have the uniform on. They ain't wearing khakis and chucks. There's a uniform that comes with this military. If you're in the military, you're wearing camouflage. You feel me? You're going through boot camp. Now you've got ripped pants on with the knees out. You don't know who's what, tight pants with your ass hanging out.

You don't know who's who. Okay, this is the question I really want to ask you, though, is when you see that forehead tattoo, does that strike you as some crazy next level shit? Or is that actually kind of regular coming from your perspective? It's kind of regular because I grew up with motherfuckers that got fuck you and fuck this hood and fuck him on the face. And it's not out of the normal. It's just out of the normal for today's day. And for somebody to be very popular online. Very popular.

And you like him, like he's likable. So when you're, you like him. When you like somebody, you're like, fuck. Because I know people who like him, but can't fuck with him based on the tattoo. And they might not even be from Hoover, but they may have family or friends from Hoover. Right. You know what I mean? But, you know, I think it's about what you do.

I got family from 6-0. I got friends and homies I know from Hoover. I've known for years. I've done well keeping them apart, you know, at the times. And then there's been times where they weren't apart, but the respect for me was there. Like, Dre got us here. We ain't about the shit on nothing he got going on. He too good to both of us and too loyal, so we're not going to do that.

But, of course, if I see the, I'm like, well, he's going hard. He's either extremely dedicated or a crash dummy. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes you can be both. You know what I've had a lot of it. It doesn't make you necessarily wrong because I got homies who are super crash dummy, super cribs. It's like, what? Like you come to, hey, man, Adam just got jumped on, man, I need you.

It's my white boy partner. What? We're coming to kill something. You know what I'm saying? Don't even give a fuck. Just like it's because it's for you. So people will do, sir, imagine what you'll do for a friend of yours. It's like I'm stuck on the highway.

It's two in the morning. My phone's dying. I can't get AAA. You may get up out of your bed and leave your family to go get him. So this comes with a level. There's people who will get up out there bed for me if it comes to a level of violence. But I'm never going to call them for that. Right.

I'm not. You know what I mean? I'm going to take care of my own business. And the way life is for me, I'm not encountering that energy as much anymore. You'll catch enemies of the neighborhood that have seen me and be like, if you want to call it a pass or if you want to call it respect, you like, I see what you on. You know what I mean?

Then you got other motherfuckers. It's like, fuck him because he's from over there. Right. The more successful you become, the more dangerous you are. Of course. And then what do you, what energy do you put out? Every day at one point I got it where I was like, I need to get across Central. I need to go prove, you know, I need to get crack and get some stripes.

Now that's not my life now. I don't want to do something successful that I can feel good about that. My kids are going to be like, look at my dad. I'm embarrassed of certain things when I was in Thousand Islands, Clayton, New York, with my friend's mom who's a judge and a dad's attorney and her mom's a judge in the bay and we're in New York and I'm embarrassed when they're asking me about a tattoo.

Oh, this whoa, whoa, that's not what you want to do. Although I wasn't ashamed of that. But I was ashamed of what the negative connotation would come with them. Then I can give you a different idea of what somebody from this section is. Now you can have a different perspective of what,

wow, I didn't know you guys were articulate. I didn't know you could speak. I didn't know you had manners. Because if you think of a cripple or blood, you think drug dealing, gang banging and fuck women and fuck everybody, and that's what it is. And that's not the case. A lot of slang. A lot of slang. A lot of slang.

And it's not the case in a lot of situations. You have intelligent people who are behind a lot of this shit that's involved and who utilize the soldiers. When the lack of better terms, too many Indians is not enough, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. You have certain people who manipulate that and still push crack and still push dope and say, I'm going to give you a sack. I'm going to give you $200 in dope, but we're going to cut. it up and make it $800 and you bring me $600 back. You know what I mean? Like you got people pimping people in the neighborhood.

So I grew up to look up to people. Then when I got grown, I saw they weren't following certain guidelines or rules that they raised me up to follow. How could I follow you now? How could I consciously follow you? Now listen, I'm just a week. I'm the head of my household. So how could I let another man decide what I'm doing? Well, you ain't even under these rules that we said that we're supposed to, these are the guidelines.

Right. So since you're not doing that, how can I respect you? Or you punked the game. Right. If you punked the game, you ran out, you told, you know, you snitch, you know, you talk bad, whatever you did. You punking the game is turning down, fades, you know, doing whatever the fuck you're going to do is punk in the game. So if you've been around a hood for 20 years, 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, and you've never done certain things,

you're at a high-ass level on a pedestal because you ain't punked the game in all these years. For sure. You know, and it makes a difference. How did things change when your music career started moving, right? Like when you started working with Good Charlotte or when you got signed to, you. I remember going over Good Charlott's, and at the time, I was having a difference of opinion with game. And I was low-key dissing like, hey, fuck, we'll just down and third. And Benji and Joe were like godfathers to one of Jaycea-ons to one of games kids.

I think Harlem may be his son. And our respect to that. And they was telling me, yo, EA sports wants to do a deal with you. And they were someone giving me a quarter of a million dollars and shit. He's like, but we don't want you beef him with game. Game, we're close to game. He lives down the street from us. We're in Glendale right now.

Look where you at. Harris Hilton is here. Lindsay Low Hand here Nicole Richie here Look where you at And my mentality is like Man fuck such and such Because of woo-dy-woo

Wooo now it's like I had to think about that Do I want to cast this check And destroy a beef That don't really exist Because I have an opinion About somebody that we work together And we know each other

And I was at Doc I was at aftermath for a second About to do the deal there When he first came in And I'm saying Oh you said something derogatory about Cripps on a song I got to get at you now

So how long does that last? You know But then if someone signed the Crips you know what I mean? And then if you could be signed to a label and you'd be a crypt and sign the bloods. Right. Look at Def Roe.

Like when I was just interviewing Savvy, he was signed to whack and I didn't even bother to be like, is that weird that you're a cribs sign of blood? You know, it's like an old school question. Yeah, I think the difference in that is a big age difference too. And I think someone else who has more experience

would be like, shit, I see the money and I see the person and I see the opportunity. You know what I mean? As opposed to, oh, I ain't fucking with him. Like I said, that was back in the day. back in the day, it wasn't cool to be in a red car. It wouldn't be cool to have anything red on. You're getting sweating.

I came from the time. Hell no, we had the blue carpet treatment. Come on, Snoop. But I had the time when we was, when I, me and you could be in a car and we homies, and we see Justin walking down the street, black man going to opposite direction. We're going north, if he's going south. We're going to turn that motherfucker around.

Hey, where are you from? And hop out on you with a strap. Show me your tattoos. I want to see your arms. You ain't gang bang and pull up your fucking pants. You couldn't even sag. You couldn't have braids in your hair a certain kind of way if you wasn't living that lifestyle.

Yeah. Now it's like, motherfucker look like the hardest motherfucker and be, I don't want to take a homosexual. And I'm not taking away from any homosexuals being hard because it's hard people in anything, but I'm saying in gangbanging, that wasn't tolerated.

You know what I mean? So you could have somebody else that's perpetrating the fraud that's really on the low on some other shit. Well, without naming any names or anything, like there's been like multiple people who basically got exposed as having done homosexual stuff. And I mean, man, you really get the reminder

that although the rest of the world has become a lot more progressive on those issues, that Game Bang really is maybe going to move about as slow as possible on that. Well, the issue is like my mother raised me and said, you'll never be a bitch, you'll never be a punk. You'll never be a homosexual.

I was born and right, whatever happened for me was right, you know, for me, you know what I mean, heritosexual life, straight life, all that. But I had a mother, a black mother that was like, if you're a homosexual, you're weak and you will not make it in these 80s and 90s. You're not going to make it. I think times are a little different now

for people to be able to express themselves. What I do respect, if you're homosexual, be open with that. Don't look like you super thugged and super into the women and all that, and you're really, I respect a homosexual man saying he's homosexual more than a guy that's acting like he's not.

Yeah, like the gang thing that we're talking about there, like you feel like if the person had been straight up about it, like it's very understandable that they would want to hide that they were in. into that just given the norms in that world, but it's like the deception really ultimately is the thing that people are upset about probably. Yeah, that pisses you off. And then you think of like the condensation, I'm doing a show called Sellies with Slink Johnson. It just launched today on two. Matter of fact, Sellies. Yeah, it's comedy. Me and Slink Johnson are locked up together, but there's a

there's things in there that are like, that are, I want to break down. Like when people say, don't drop the soap, you're making it like everybody goes to jail is involved with homosexual activity. That's not the case. There is. the percentage of people that are. But that's not the case. It's lesser than there is more, from my experience. You know what I'm saying? But the people who are, that's who they are. But I think that kind of, that, that, that aspect of saying, you're going to jail, don't drop the soap. He's going to get, you know, that doesn't exist. That's not what it is. Not unless you just involved in a situation where you are looking weak, because I've been in jail before and people

like, he's a bitch. And that person didn't speak up after they was called a bitch. So that's going to put you in the line of being a bitch. And in jail, you're going to don't have to get down. For sure. You're going to have to fight. You know what I'm saying? So, okay, tell me about these, these charges that have come down on a bunch of the kitchen cribs recently.

So what's your perspective on how all this is happening? I think that first of all, I think just to state, this is a tragedy and my heart and my prayers go out to all parties involved. And God bless the dead, first of all, first of all. Second of all, I hate to think that people I know are in jail for something that they didn't do. Like I told you, I don't know. I don't know about it.

I'm doing a TV show off, placing songs, doing whatever the fuck else, so I don't even know. I haven't talked to anyone who is incarcerated behind this right now, but I know them, of course. And I feel like talking to people's wives and their mothers, like, damn, I feel bad for my homie. I know he ain't, I can tell you I know because I know this person's character.

I don't know because I wasn't there. But this person's character is saying, he don't even come outside. He don't even fuck around. He's been from the hood. He don't do this. He's a dad. He's on a whole.

know his energy. So to think, fuck, man, like you're there and someone said your name or you was in the wrong place at the wrong time because I heard they came to people's houses and jobs, hotels and other stuff and picked people up. And I think that like about a month or two ago, you got the police chief saying, you know, don't come to LA because we can't protect you. It's a purge. And some years ago, me in Game and Snoop and Brother Reza Islam, we walked down to the police

station downtown and we marched about three miles, a lot of us, a lot of hip-hop artists. We all went together and I talked on the news. Everybody talked and we was trying to create dialogue between us and the cops that I think is very needed. And I'm going to get back to your point, but just to say, when you got white boys in a community or brothers in a white community that are, there's a disconnect. Now you can get to know people, but if you got white boys from Sherman Oaks or from Valencia coming to South Central, they're programmed like the guy in the military to say, those guys are bad. They're the scum of the earth. So I'm not going to fuck with them. I'm going to treat them like a piece of shit.

piece of shit. You know, and I've had to be a grown man and be like, hey, I'm not doing any of that. Oh, sit down. I'm not sitting down on the curb. I'm a grown-ass man. So now you better draw down on me and make me sit down. How old are you? Like, I feel away if a 22-year-old cop is telling me to sit down on the fucking curb, like I'm a child. That's out. They treat you like insurgents. I'm not doing that. So what I say is to get back to that is to say, I think it's unfortunate for our situation in this situation that I think that like when you watch your TV shows, the DA has to give the people something.

We got a surge of violence in Los Angeles going on in Burbank in the Valley. And Sherman Oaks, people are jumping out robbing people broad daylight now. Crashing your car, jumping out, robbing you. I don't remember all that type of shit. I'm sure isolated incidents have happened. So I feel like that there has to be some skin in the game

from somewhere. There has to be the DA saying, I'm going to give the people something. So we're going to give them this. Now, like I told you, I don't know because I wasn't there, so I don't know. but I do feel like out of those nine people that there's some innocent people

that are in jail right now. I feel like that. But like I told you, I'm not close enough to it to know. Ain't nobody called me from jail. You know what I'm saying? And said, hey, man, you know, I didn't do it, but I know me knowing this character.

One of my friends, my friend's little brothers, he turned itself in. He was like, I didn't do shit. Right. Turning myself in. I think he got a $16 million bill now. I read that in the papers.

$16 million? And I had to hear that from the papers in the news and blog. And I hate when certain blogs put politics and neighborhood, as we say, hood business or community business on these vlogs. Like, you know, there's something I saw to have me all over it. And I was appalled. I was pissed off. Like, damn, homie.

Like, I know I'm the- You're all up in the video? Because there's all these, like, hood narrators these days who want to tell you a story about some neighborhoods. Because, okay, this is what gets me is that people will forever, like, give academic shit because he did the war in Shirek back in the day. whatever you might have a point he was kind of lighthearted about some violence back then to a certain extent but nowadays you get a million YouTubers who are not making videos about rappers or like famous people or anything like that no it's just about anything happening in the streets somebody got killed somebody somebody somebody boom it's a fucking video yeah and yeah sometimes I really worry about how those narratives can kind of become pervasive and especially when you talk to rappers and they're like I really don't like the way that they

presented me in that video because you know the cops like i mean the cops are fans pretty much of the culture in the same way that a lot of the actual fans are you know the cops are watching that shit and can't help but be super influenced by you know well it's funny because when you say that i talked to g perico there a day he's like a little brother to me yeah gee shout out to g for show uh this a blue t-shirt uh central laugh you know say wait but uh but i look at things and he was like you know we talked about this right quick and he was like well you know you the most known over there, so I'm the most known in my section. So it's like, for instance, five podcasters

throat slit, and they show Adam 22's face. So just to even, even though the law enforcement don't want me, they don't get fuck about me, they know, but it's the perception of what ops, what other people is like, well, damn, who the fuck is he? The video starts off, one of them, several of them, one of them, with me, first picture, second picture, third picture, it goes off to somebody else, a video of me. And they're saying all these horrible things from 15 years ago

about murders, little boys being killed, grown people being killed, that's fucked up shit, that's happened all over gang banging. There's always been innocent people being killed when you're shooting a big ass fucking AR-15 or a street sweeper or AK or something. Somebody ain't the best shot, you know what I mean? So I think that what that does for people who incarcerate who are innocent to prove a guilty,

that already gives the jury already a perspective to say, well, fuck, they did it. Look what they from. Hell yeah, they did it. So it's looked at what these individuals from my section, what the fuck chance do they got? If there's already things saying that this is this neighbor One of them made it look like we are terrorizing the streets

My little section The streets is being terrorized by fucking every section And Justin asked me, do you think your neighbor is one of You grew up in is one of the violent areas? I say, yeah, and so is the ones across the street, the bloods, and so is the Crips and so is the essays. Everybody. This is a free for all.

This is fucking call of duty online and respond back and we get in cracking. So I think that the narrative of these people doing certain YouTube things is so wrong. I think it's so fucked up because you're writing and you're looking up public knowledge about a case and you're reading about it when even I know certain things. I was like, nah, that wasn't it. He's wrong on that.

Then to hear things that was from 15-something years ago and you hear a guy with this monotone voice talking about, yeah, and then they ran over here. It's just, it's horrible. It's like, what are you talking about? We got the Google Maps out. We got a thing called hood business. And I say politics. Certain politics we don't share with everybody.

Certain things is just for your neighborhood. But you could be with me. And it's like, hey, in that time, hey, we're about to have a meeting. Hey, Adam, wait for me in the car, go to the store, go to the store, hang out at Mama Kaye House. You know what I'm saying? But think about the fact that in your midst, there could easily be people who are basically getting money from YouTubers to snitch to the YouTubers, not to the cops, but to say, this dude shot this dude and this is who did this. Because, I mean, I don't really know that that happens. But when I watch some of these videos, I'm like, I know that this guy making this video.

is from fucking Texas, and he knows way too much about street shit in this different city. To me, it only makes sense that, of course, he probably got in touch with somebody and is either compensating them or they're just snitching for the fun of it to just fucking tell somebody

about what's going on in the streets. Or he's watching the headlines and going to public knowledge to say, oh, wow, there was a killing here? Let me look up the killings from this section in his neighborhood, then I'm going to narrate on it. A good snitch could be the basis

of an entire YouTube career. Facts. I hate that my mind goes there. But it's just sort of, I know how the shit works, you know. I heard Charleston White say, shit, I'm going to make snitchie cool. That was the worst thing I heard the motherfucker say, but it was funny as fuck. He said, I'm going to make snitchie cool. Ah, damn, I'm going to make it cool.

You know, and I just said, what the fuck is he talking about? But, you know, certain things that people say and do have an influence on people's perspective on a gang, on a section, on a community, on a people. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know, what's doing what? Like, we talked about with music, music has always been the soundtrack to the demise you know, hip-hop rap, gangster shit

has been the demise of our fucking communities for a long time. And I was involved with making some of the music too. Speaking in Charleston White, though, he had a quote that blew my mind one time, but I've heard some pretty good conversations about it where I think he said that the Bloods in the Crips have done more damage to black people in America

than the clan or something like that. He's basically made it perfectly clear that he feels like they're a source of massive horribleness to the community. Like, given your age and perspective now, How do you feel about that? I think that there can always be some truth when it's community on community and black on black crime. We came from civil rights days and my mother grew up in the 50s to where you would not, even if you had conflict, it wasn't killing black folks like that.

Now it's very easy to kill somebody to look like you, quick. It's like, where's the heart? Where are we at? What are we doing here? And then certain people who are self-proclaimed gang members, if it's Charleston, I'm not mad at Charleston, nobody else. But he said he was from 60s for a while. Was you a buster or was you a real killer stump down? Did you get marked out?

Did you get ran off the hood? Or did you just say, you know what? This ain't for me. Because I saw him. He was arguing with Crip Mac back and for him. Then he said he was crying the other day. I got tears in my eyes, man, the way they did you. And that was very interesting for me to see.

He said, man, I'm just having YouTube fun. But I fuck with you. You know what I'm saying? So he said, and then I think speaking on that too, I saw another dude, an older dude that had an L.A. had on, Darkskin brother, that was speaking about L.A. politics and talking about the Cripsons and gangbainers letting people down.

people call it Crip Mac the face of Crips. Crip Mac is not the face of Crips. Crip Mac could be the face of 5-5. And it may be somebody else from 5-5 that's like, I'm the Pentee. I'm the rep over here that did this and the penitentiaries in the streets and everything else. But as far as people who don't know any better,

if you've never heard of 5-5, you heard of it through Crip Mac. You know what I'm saying? So I think that certain people abuse certain things, you know what I mean, by looking at what people are and what they are. What's the word for? just being able to

pimp them out. You know what I'm saying? Like if you follow me on that page, like to be able to look at somebody and be able to say, this person is this, and I'm going to say that they're that. But my point is to say,

dude it wrote, man, y'all, the Crips out there making the Crips look bad. Y'all DEPN him. That's five-five business. Get the fuck out of their business. Worry about your politics and your section.

This is America. Why the fuck are we worried about Korea's business? Why are we worried about and we ain't helping the homeless people here? But is it jumping the line if 5-5 puts out the video of Crip Mac getting D-B? Well, what I liked is. One of the homies is like, hey, homie, don't put that up.

I think of course it is. I think it is. And Cribmac didn't say it in the interview, but he basically kind of sort of implied that that person who filmed that got handled themselves because that was a violation. He didn't say that, but I kind of like felt the vibe. Because it's like, you got to think when you become something, there's a level of jealousy. So Crip Mac could be loved by 5-5, like a motherfucker, because he's reping, right? Then he could be, some people could be jealous of him.

Like, what? I've been repping this shit for 40 fucking years, and I'm the penitentiary, and they really are. But they're not getting the notoriety of it. Their time is coming past besides the people who know. Because it's kind of like the dinosaurs. Like now, Cripping in the 70s and 80s ain't the same as it is now, you know, when Raymond Washington took in, you know, skull and, you know, Billy Jack and different people who was doing things, you know what I mean?

It's different now. You know what I mean? So I think jealousy comes with things and envy comes with things. So you may have people just like, maybe you deserve that DP. Or you could have other people that's like, I want to fuck him up anyway. You know what I mean? It just depends what you're dealing with. But I know one thing.

Keep your fucking nose out of other people's business. And Crip Mac is not the face of Crips. He can be the face of five, five. For the people that on, every Crip from each of their hood has a face or doesn't have a face. But one person doesn't represent all Crips. If that's the case, the Snoop represents every Crip. Okay, but with you and Crippin, sometimes you see a guy

who has been through the ringer with the gang banging shit and they're basically like, fuck that shit, like I don't give a fuck about it. It's a period of my life, I don't care. And then sometimes you'll also have a person who gang bangs for years and years, they maybe aren't active anymore, but they still have like a deep love for the culture

and what it really means to them. Where do you see yourself on that spectrum? I'm at that, definitely what you just described. Like going through things and not saying, fuck, I hate this because there's still

loved ones that I love and I'm still active in my community as far as anti-gang shit or how do we do business? Like, there's one thing that people respect in LA is money and business.

So if we don't get along, bring some money involved in this shit and see how many people are going to find a way to get alone to get that bread. Let you say, hey, if y'all don't have wars, I'm giving everybody $5,000,

$1,000 this week, no gangbag. And the motherfuckers ain't going to gang back. Because they're going to be able to feed their families and do different shit. So I'm in that space where I am in the spot where I love my neighborhood. I love where I grew up at.

I love the grandmamas, the cousins, the kids, the dogs, the grandbabies, the great uncles, the homies who ain't never coming back, my friends who stood with me out on the block that's dead now, that I remember them and what can I do to honor them? Can I succeed or can I still be out on the block doing what we did when we was kids? So I'm in a space where, of course, I still love the culture. Hell yeah. That's why I can look at Crip Mac, all politics aside of what he got tattooed him and everything. It makes me look at somebody

28 years old. Like, damn, he got the, he got a sense of old Cripping. Right. You know what I mean? He got a sense. Still, I used to drink 40s.

I don't drink 40s no more. You know, definitely keeping Old English alive. You know, I mean, you know, and they need to give him a fucking endorsement. Like, Ocean Spray,

gave a, Latino dude, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't very happy about Meg the Staling and the Popeye's deal. Oh, shit.

Oh, yeah. But, you know, I'm going to tell you, in the space I'm at now, I'm happy to be able to show, people better than telling them. Right. And I've given out opportunities.

You know what I mean? And that's the fight. I'm on set doing a fucking film with all these rappers and everybody else. And it's a million dollar film and I'm over here to say, hey, I can hire five of my homies. You know what I'm saying? You're going to be the boom operator. You're going to be a PA.

You're going to do this. You're going to do that. That's what it's about. Each one, teach one, I'm going to teach you how to fish and do something different as opposed to saying, did you kill something yet? And the fucked up shit is that if I meet a young dude who has killed something, I have a respect for you. I'm like, fuck.

He didn't went over there and killed three motherfuckers. Let me try to help this dude. Let me try to get him to where his life ain't going to end up well. Your life, and that's why I should tell people in New York when they were starting to try to gang bang. I can tell you your future. I could tell you what's going to happen. This is what's going to happen. And then if you look at the Takashi 6-9 and you say, as much as you can look at him and blame him

and he's a rat and to snitch everything else, who are the people that allowed him, you know, that hood or whatever he's from, that allowed him to be this rainbow hair and, do everything else that wouldn't be accepted for any gangbanger at all. That's not part of the uniform or part of the culture. I mean, to be fair, I think they very much got sort of a seduced by the money and the fame, you know? Yeah. But

it's like, you know, it's a level of, you know, if I'm around somebody who's into child pornography, I'm never fucking with them. Never, ever. I want to fuck you up. You know what I'm saying? So if I'm around a dude that is, you look like you're repring, like you're the flag for the rainbow, for the

homosexual community. And if that's what you do, I ain't mad at you, do what you do. But don't mix it. Don't mix it. But I knew when I looked at him like, oh, he looked like a buster. You just feel shit. You can feel shit over the screen. Some people could say, I'd have people say, man, Crip Macwell, I'm like,

he don't look like no buster to me. He looked like he's going to get down where he'd get mad at. With 6'9, I was very, I've been very blessed throughout my life to be able to see first-hand him going from a fucking dork-ass kid who was begging me for an interview. Man. To a gang leader. That's ridiculous. Yeah.

To whatever the fuck is he's doing that. We're blessed to, like, really seen that play out. It's crazy. What a Latino, they booed him about a month ago or something, he came out, and they booed him on stage of some festival or something. I was like, damn, but he got his money, and I'm not mad at him or nobody else. I just know I wouldn't be rocking with you.

And the thing is, even when you're so far removed from a lifestyle, I still got to be like, oh, such and such is a snitch. If you got such and such, it just came through the door right now, and he's a rat, and he's trying to talk to me, I'm going to avoid it. I'm not going to fuck with him. Even when I'm keeping it business and on our business, and on our business and I'm in a corporate room

and everything else he comes in, I'm not fucking with him based on the status. Now, how much does that affect my real life of what I'm doing right now? By me not fucking with him. I had a cousin of mine tell me, you got to choose. We're in the industry right now.

Yeah, he's told, but look what he's connected to, to this, that, and the third and what he could get you on. And we were friends before this dude told. And when he got out and he saw me, I shunned him. You know what I'm saying?

I'm like, you know, I'm not fucking with you. Now, how much does that play on my real life? Why did I have to do that if I'm removed from the, the bullshit but it's still in me to be like ooh you know what I mean you snitched on people who wouldn't have been in trouble and that's the thing with Takashi you told on people who got took away from their families who may have not been in trouble if you didn't tell them to save your own ass when you win the game or you're in the in a certain thing that comes with gang

banging that comes with this so you don't fucking tell and I had a friend of mine who did 22 years he's been out a year my best friend never complained one time he was in jail for this he was on America's most wanted before that is 16 And then when he got locked up, he was 17, and he didn't do it. He didn't do it. And did 22 years and could have told it wasn't me and had G. Homies telling him, hey, man, tell on the home girl. She don't matter.

That's who did it. And he still didn't do it. Did all that fucking time. Just turned 40 years old. Did 22 years. You know what I'm saying? And you look like, damn, like, you know, and never complain. And the strength I would get from him would be everything.

I'd be out on the street like, man, fuck this shit. He'd be like, man, giving me Yoda game while he's in there. His mother dies. His wife dies. While he's in there, I'm at their funerals. You know what I mean? He can't come out and be at the funerals, and the man never shed a tear to me and never steal since he's been out.

The best, you know, assimilating back into culture and society, I would say he's one of the best. Has a loving wife now, has a baby due any day now, had a baby that they had three years ago that they had during the conjugal visits, got out and had this fresh, beautiful fucking family. But is he still somebody to the community in neighborhood? Hell yeah. Especially if you were second generation.

I was born in the game, but not the gang. Certain my friends was born in the gang. Right. You didn't have no choice. Your daddy and mama was from the set. So you growing up, you don't know if nothing's good or bad. You just know, it's creeping. You know what I'm saying?

This is the logo. I'm a, I'm a Laker. You know what I'm saying? You don't think anything of it. So a lot of my friends are second. Now you've got third generation people from the hood. You know what I mean? That's grandchildren and their grandmama is from the hood.

Shit's crazy. So getting back to the spin on on what's going on. I think that L.A. desperately needs to show that they're cleaning up the street somehow or some way. So I think my section is going to be made to be an example. You know what I mean? It was like the right time at the right, whatever section it could have been. Could have been the bloods, could have been the Crips down the street.

Whoever it was at this particular day, the chief, the mayor and them needed to say something. Let's go after these motherfuckers. But I mean, and also like I'm sure they'll probably see their day in court. Yeah. But realistically, they'll also probably sit in there for a year or two, three years, however long. I mean, I have friends who've been sitting for five years waiting for court. Waiting on court.

And the stress of that alone, being locked up for anybody, man, is the worst shit ever. It's the most worst. So anybody doing 60 years, 70 years, 30 years, football numbers. My heart go out to him just because you don't wish that on nobody. You know what I mean? Like, you rather. And for us, I did like that. I remember being shot at in 17.

And one of the homies got shot and he was being took on the ambulance. And we saw who did it. And the cops like, that's them hell know that ain't. them. And it's Carl Rada respect. We have respect for them. They have respect for us because we're going to come get you. And I know you're going to try to come get us because you just came. You know what I'm saying? So now we're going to come get you, but we're about to

tell on you, we need to deal with this. This is the street justice. So if you got family business, I remember Alec Baldwin got in trouble for yelling at his daughter or doing some shit. That was family business. That was none of our fucking business. So now everybody's judging him. He's yelling at his child. You better yell at your child.

You better? If need be. When my kids, I don't have to yell at him, I can just have a stern voice, they don't even know me like that. I mean, want to tell them sometimes you don't know me. Social media, people can just easily like take a look at little glimpses of your parenting that might look weird, isolated, you know? And it look like you're the worst fucking parent ever. And really, you're just, you know, being a parent.

And in reality, at some point with your kid, you're going to have to fucking put your foot down. You got to. They're going to try it. It's not going to be pretty. It probably doesn't belong on Twitter. But, I mean, I've seen many a person get shit on for being a weird. parent or whatever. A friend of mine's a famous comedian the other day, his son got out of

line and he's such a lovable guy, my friend. He's not violent, not any of that. He had to throw his son around a little bit. You know what I'm saying? His son got out of line and he said, I tried to hug him at first. And then he moved my hug and had his, you know, he was fighting with his sister and caught her out of her name. And he was like, hey man, like, don't do that. And he had his fistballed up. And he was like, what are you doing? He yanked away. Man, what? He said, I had to kind of ragdoll him a little bit. He said, I felt bad about it. But if you didn't do that, this man is, this young boy is filling with testosterone. It's better he learned it at home.

He's going to try his daddy first. You know what I'm saying? Before he go try somebody else out in the street to see how far he can get with it. And that needs to be checked. And I think that with gang banging, things need to be checked by our elders. And when we say influencers, who's our street influencers? Who can check somebody? Because now you have somebody, your grandmama be outside.

Yeah, bitch, I don't give a fuck. We would never do that. Grandmama could come outside and check everybody. We just killed 10 people, whoever it is, they killed grandmama come out. Y'all shut the fuck up and go in the backyard. Ain't nobody about to say, fuck you, grandmama. These days, you got people that will say fuck you to the grandmama.

Yeah. And that's crazy as fuck. It's crazy watching society just slowly, like, fall apart. Like, when you're saying that, like, all those years that you were in the street, it never occurred to you to, like, drive 40 minutes north and just, like, pull up in somebody's fucking nice-ass house and take all the, you know?

But it's, like, that shit becoming more common just because motherfuckers just keep having ideas. And sometimes I look at, like, documentaries about Mexico and shit. Yeah. And I see all the crazy. as kidnapping and shit. Crazy. And it's not like it doesn't happen in America, but I'm like, wow.

Like I hope that the Utes in LA don't ever like really decide this is the new way. Right, right. When it was taking Jordans back then, then it was jacking for, jacking for rims, jacking for cars. Now that looks like the good old days, right? Jacket for people. I was in North Hollywood two years ago and sitting in my whip and I'm talking to two of my homegirls and I had two dudes walk up and one young dude say, walk past the car. We was talking and come back and say, I had the window cracked a little bit.

said, hey, I'm going to need that car. Now, mind you, I didn't grab my gun in 0.1 second. My gun's in the door. I'm left-handed. I didn't grab the gun immediately, so I got it. But the intelligent person in me is like, don't brandish the gun because I don't see a gun. Now, could I get out and pistol whip this boy and kill him? Yeah.

So as I'm looking at him, like, what did you say? Now my homegirl says, Dre, his partner taps on the window with the Glock. Passager side, so I ain't never seen nobody try to, I ain't never been. even attempted to be carjacked and the land. This happened to where and when? In North Hollywood on Riverside and Lancashim. Like recently? Two years ago.

You know what I'm saying? It was damn there pre-COVID, right before COVID. Like, then or January before COVID or something. And I remember, like, dude, like, I could have smoked him. You know what I'm saying? But I'm thinking, like, well, I had one of my homeboys was like, well, shit, I would have popped him. Well, what was you going to do? Shoot through the window.

And then on this side, me as a protector, the homegirl right there, the dude tried to open the door. My doors are locked. So if he would have to open up the door, I would have to defend us and shoot it. That's the fact. But I would have had to wait. And I got insurance now if I kill somebody. You hear me? Wait a minute.

How does that work? Well, that works is the USCA. It's the concealed carry insurance to where you get told like if you do something and let's say we all out with our families and somebody tries to rob us and they hit you in the head with a stick and shoot you. and I defend us or you defend us and shoot somebody, then you immediately get told, call you USCA, call a concealed carry insurance place and say, hey, this is what happened, then call the police.

You tell the cops, someone's been shot. Bullets came from this direction, my weapon's right here, and then you get ready to go to jail. Don't be so explaining anything to nobody. Just tell what happened on the highlights without getting detailed. That's not for them. You know what I mean?

So having an insurance, If you're concealed carrying anywhere, there's a certain amount of, you could have $2 million up the bail, $3 million of bail. So if you go to jail for murder and you got a bail and they didn't set it for millions, they're going to come get you and they're going to send you an attorney immediately. Wow. So that's something that I learned from grown-ass men who are responsible as fathers that's not coming from a street perspective that's like, we got to run every time.

You grow up in the neighborhood where you think I got to get a gun. As soon as I see the police, I got to run. You don't even know what your rights are. Are you legal to have a gun? Because we think you ain't supposed to have a gun. You can have a gun in California. You just, if you're 18, it got to be a shotgun. If you're riding around, the clip has to be separate in the glove box and the truck.

But you can have it. You know what I mean? My friends don't, young homies from the section, don't know that. Don't have a bank account, don't have a license. Ain't had a time to start a life yet, and you in jail are getting killed already. You don't even know what it is. In 300, he said he ain't even felt the warmth of a woman yet. And he's on the war field already.

So you got boys who ain't even had no life That are being like I'm part of the of the crew And this is what comes with being part of the crew And then if you can't live up to that you a buster If you ain't ready That's why once people prove themselves You got different homies you got homies who are players You got homies who are from the hood

But they're not with the right rock gang banging and killing But they with the fighting and all that But now once they've established themselves They're doing them But then you got homies that their whole thing Is to keep everybody on the block And us being together Even in 2022

You got people that will not guilt me that'll be like, damn, we miss you. Like, where are you at? Like, all this good shit you're doing over here, keep doing it here, which I am. But I'm too busy to report to a neighborhood. I got recitals. I got tuition to pay for it for my daughter. I got kids. I got shit to do.

You know what I mean? My journey is not over. You know what I mean? I got a long fucking journey ahead. And there's a lot of things that we need to do to help each other. But some people, that's all they got. And then certain people is beyond all they got. It's the love they got.

It's the dedication that they really got for this. We said when we was 12 years old, 14 years old, we made a pack. We're going to live up to that pack until we fucking die. And that's just being loyal to each other, having each other's back. You know what I mean? And if you can mind it's the violence. It's not a bad thing when you break down things of gangs, of the unity of things. It's the bad thing is that the unnecessary violence and the perpetuating violence that continues.

Haven't we killed up enough of each other? when does it come to a point when we like, yo, how do we get some money? You know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers was scared. Remember when COVID first hit? Everybody was scared. I seen homies and my different people

on Instagram. I'm gang banging. Niggas ain't out here. Niggas ain't out here. You know what I'm saying? But I understood my homeboy. I understood him and a part of me was like, I get it.

You know what I mean? Even though I'm not about to be out there writing on walls, no more wall banging and shit. You know what I'm saying? But I get it though. I understand because the love is so deep for that shit

and that's what you don't want to ignore is the love of shit. You know what I'm saying? What you do want to ignore is people who have fallen off and don't stand for anything. They have no morals, they have no code,

and they like, I don't give a fuck. You'll get told on from your neighborhood faster than you with somebody else. To be somebody in the neighborhood, like I hate that motherfucker. Yeah, he did it. Who knows who toll on individuals

from my section that's locked up? Who knows? Somebody's saying something because I feel like a few, I'm like out of nine people, I just know certain people. I'm like, man, ain't no way in the world like a motherfucker. Adam 22 just killed all five podcasts and slipped their throats.

Now, everybody sees that in the vlog and kind of believes it. Damn, he did look a little crazy. I didn't know he was like that. But then somebody else was like, man, Atham ain't on that. Yeah, I could use a little street cred. You feel me? You feel me? You feel me?

But you know, but, you know, I think that where we're at now is to try to educate without being weak. Right. You know what I mean? You can't preach to the platoon. and you ain't out there with that strap or you wasn't out there with that strap. Right. Now, if you was out there and you became, got ranked, you should be able to say, hey, y'all, handle your business, but let's get to this.

This is what life is right now. This is what we need to be doing. Because we feed in the prison system. Right. We feeding it. How much money is each prisoner 30 to $60,000 a year? On one, these personal, these private correctional facilities are exactly that. People are bawling off this shit.

So they're bawling. So if you think, how does that trickle down? The government don't give a fuck about us. Actually, they do. Actually, they do. We are the pork bellies. We are the commodity. We are that.

So let's influence this law when Bush Sr. said in the 80s, I'm going to make cocaine a criminal crime now, and marijuana and heroin. When before, if that's what you did to your own body, that was your business, not unless you had crazy weight. So now you're getting caught with a little piece of dope, and you're getting 20 years. What about all the people who's doing time for weed?

Right. Look at weed now. The same judges that locked us up for weed have dispensaries. Cops, too. It's like, shouldn't that be reversed? Where somebody got charged with, I got to jail in Vegas for a doobie. For a fucking, I got to take the jail in Florida.

I'm recording in 2000 at the Hit Factory with Crazy Bone and Bone Thugs and Harmie. I did a deal with them years ago. We on the road recording out there. I'm driving the fucking Disney World with my girl at the time. It's 2000. I'm driving. He pulls us over. I got some swishers with pre-roll blunts.

He didn't even know it because he wasn't hip to pre-rolls. He looked at the thing. He looked in the car, searched the car. I had a gun. threw the gun out the window into like the canal thing. He found a seed. He looked up at the sky and had the seed like this and said, do you know what this is?

I said, nah. He said, this is a cannabis seed. I got to take you to jail for under 28 grams. It's going to be you or your girl. Come on, man, take me to jail. Let's go. You know what I'm saying? But you just look at things of how petty and how,

what do we say? Look at prohibition. You know what I mean? Liquor was illegal. So what's legal and what? And who's the one saying the laws? You got in different states where fucking a sheep or a cow is legal. In how many states?

So that tells you who's sitting on top of this. America. Yeah. And look, how can a pedophile get two years for raping a child and somebody else will get less time for killing somebody? Or more time for doing something less for marijuana. And somebody else that tells you the powers that be must be into some super-ass fucked-up shit. You know what I mean?

Because how could you, if me and you got a community right now, you got a child coming, right? I have a live child right now. Okay, congratulations. You know what I mean? So imagine you're somewhere. And they're like, going molester.com and your whole neighborhood got six molesters in it. And they're at the park and you don't know. I never been on one of those sites.

I have. Should I check that out? You better. Probably. Yeah, it's good to know. It's good to know. Just to look in what's your, what's in around your community. Yeah.

You know, when you think things, it's like saying, would you rather have somebody wave at you? Hey, Adam? Or would you rather somebody say, fuck you, Adam? Do you want to know? I want to know. Or do you like being past? Hey, what's up, Adam? And you say, man, fuck.

I know they're racist, but they're waving, so I'm waving. I'm waving. I'm trying not to talk to any of my names. Me neither. I don't want to be, I don't want to ask for sugar, eggs. I don't want to know nothing. And that's fucked up where we are now. 2002, I don't want to know you.

Hey, and it's a trip. I got a place in Vegas too. And I saw a dude as a DJ. He's like, Trey, what up? Hey, man, I'm in, I'm in law. I'm in apartment wooty woo. He just was quick to tell me. I was like, oh, for show.

Good to see you. Ain't a way in the world. I'm about to tell you which one I'm in. It's none of your business. And I'm private. No, ain't nobody knocking on my door. My homies ain't popping up in my door whenever the fuck they want to. That's not what it is.

And if you are coming to my house, then you've passed every fucking moral that there is to be around me these days. But when I am around the scum of the earth, they respect me. So it's like, well, damn, he's the scum of the earth to everybody else. Like walking through a pit of snakes, but they ain't going to bite you. It's fucked up. How did you not look like a snake as well? I mean, you know you're not, but you're walking through this shit and you ain't getting bit for some apparent reason. So the gangbanging shit is like that where I feel like that I'm not mad at,

I'm mad at the gang-banging part now, but I'm not mad at the unity. What South Central has done in Compton and Watson, everything is done, Englewood has created such a culture of things that in the right, remember, can you dig it? Can you dig it? Like, we should be coming together and showing power.

Like, hey, what the fuck are we getting right now other than fighting each other and killing each other? What are we getting? So you're feeling good. Yeah, we knocked another one of them down. You know, it's hard to be with your kids and then go to somebody ain't did nothing to you, and then you celebrating somebody else getting killed.

That's why I said, God bless the dead, to anybody that's something happened to it, even if individuals from my section, don't nobody want that. Those bails are crazy, man. It's like anywhere from $5 million to $60 million in bail. And that's where they're saying, you ain't getting out. You know what I'm saying?

You ain't getting out. And one of them turned itself in. Really? He was like, I didn't do nothing. I'm turning myself in. Now you're getting charged with murder, conspiracy, this, that, and the third, and everything else. Wow.

And to me, wouldn't you think if you turned yourself in, you didn't do shit? That's fucked up. Because I wouldn't turn myself in if I did something. Me personally, if I did it, and you know, catch me, catch me if you can. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to turn myself in knowing I do better living on the streets, you know what I'm saying,

and trying to survive and get my freedom and enjoy my woman and my kids. You know what I'm saying? Right. I'd rather do that as opposed to anything else. But the bells are astronomical. I think they're really trying to make an example out of my section. And I think that it's unfortunate for innocent people who are involved. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And if you did something and that's what comes with gang banging, that's what comes with gangbanging. That's what comes with gangbbing. And those who, if they did something, they know that that's what it comes with. So they prepared. If I go to jail for something that I did, I kicked your dog and killed him and on purpose,

I'm going to kill your dog. And whatever, if I came with that or jail can't, I know I did that, I can accept it. But if I didn't kill your dog and you're saying I killed the dog, I'm pissed off in jail. Piss the fuck off. So I think that there's individuals from my section who shouldn't be in jail, straight up.

And I think they're not getting a fair shake because it's like, this is example time. This ain't regular first 48 hours. The case is cold. We got to give L.A. to people something. We got to give the lawmakers something. Right. And we're going to give them these motherfuckers right here.

They're terrorizing everything. Everybody's terrorizing everything. Depends on who's hot and who's not. Right. You know what I mean? Straight up. Respect for sure. I hate to cut this conversation short, but we've got another one coming up.

But, I mean, this is amazing, honestly. We should definitely do this again sometime. Let's do it, bro. Straight up. Straight up. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I appreciate you connecting me for sure.

Definitely. straight up you're a very talented linguist thank you brother i'll put it like that i appreciate that lexicologist master of phrasing words you gotta go hard with this shit because i could see i can see people really fucking with your perspective for sure well i'll tell you this man you can open up one these uh platforms for me and truth and company right in we'll get over here and get cracking oh shit do you have anything you want to promote anything that you got coming up i got a show uh sellies that uh that just dropped today on tubi i directed and executive produce is starring me and slink johnson slink johnson is the star of the show black jesus

This is Slank Johnson. He's murdering the show. We recently did a podcast was sharp. Right, he told. Yeah, that was dumb. That's an undertone of Selleys that's showing like there's a message under why you don't need to go to jail. And we're poking fun at it, but it's an undertone of a message. There's a show called Princess and a Pimp coming out.

My sister Tyler Sims is doing on Tooby. I'm the lead in that. I play this dude trust. Truth in Company. I got a show called Never Too Hood to Be Healthy on To Be Healthy on Tooby that may end up on Netflix. That's all about eating plant base and vegan and going to hoods and showing people on a budget. how you can still eat healthy. You feel me?

And eat something that still bomb. That tastes good. Slape was on there. So we're doing that. But for sure, I appreciate you. Yeah, I appreciate you, man. Straight up. Thank you, guys, for real.

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