No Jumper - The Angela White Interview: Doing Adult Films for 20 Years, Being a “Sexual Athlete” & More

Episode Date: November 4, 2021

Great interview with legendary Angela White! She talks about her come up, working hard to get to her goal, breaking all kinds of records, sexual education, age appropriate p*rn literacy, directing, being the spokesperson of the Australian s*x party and more! https://www.instagram.com/theangelawh... https://twitter.com/angelawhite ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today we're speaking to an absolute legend in the biz. If you know what I mean, Angela White is in the building. Hi. How are you? You're a little shy or something? I do get shy.

Really? Yeah, I do. But you've been in the game for a long time and you've done things a lot more invasive than being asked questions by a Caucasian man on camera for an hour. Sure. I guess that's where I'm really comfortable. though is doing those kinds of acts on camera. That's where I'm in my element.

Really? But there's a lot more to you. Look, if you were fucking me while doing this interview, it would be much easier. Really? So much easier. I'm much more comfortable. Well, the thing about YouTube is they would look down upon that. I understand. I think...

Hey, hey, remember when you ruined Elthrasum? Oh, my God, I was wondering how long you were going to wait before you brought it up. That's amazing. Now I've got to tell the story. All right. So I show up. My girls first planned out OnlyFans' threesome shoot

after the baby, so it's been six months or whatever, so she's like ready to go back in the game, she's going to come back in with a heavy hitter. She got Angela White. Adam, all you got to do is pull up, jerked off in the shower in the morning so that I would be ready. I show up. I'm feeling myself having a good time, heavily caffeinated.

I noticed that there's a bunch of posters for a band. I'm not going to say what band because I don't want to drag the person who's Airbnb this was. into this, but I say, I tweet out, I just showed up to shoot a porno and there's all this memorabilia on the wall. Within like five minutes my girl gets a call because I forget that I have almost a million Twitter followers, sometimes that alludes me. And we get kicked out and we don't get to shoot the shot and I screw my girl over, waste your time, I felt like a moron.

First mistake was tweeting. You never tweet from set. Yeah. never I should have thought about that yeah you always wait till afterwards after you've already done the scene you're wrapped you're out of there then you tweet

I guess like you still have that like renegade mentality where it's almost like you're doing like a bank robbery by shooting in this place because you're not supposed to technically sometimes you just don't want to draw attention to yourself even if everybody

is aware that you're shooting porn at the location why draw attention to yourself Exactly. And why not tweet it a few hours later after I left? Exactly. And then you could have fucked us both. Are we swearing on this podcast? We're booked for Wednesday, right?

Yeah, you're fucking me Wednesday, unless you fuck up again. Unless I fuck up again. I'm going to come equipped. I'm going to come ready. Oozing with blue chew, just foaming up the mouth. A little ad there, just a little slip. You might have to slide that in, yeah. But anyway, Angela, it's so nice to have you here. I'm sorry about that

prior incident than made me feel. I felt like the biggest amateur in the world. It wasn't too bad for me because I had already fucked your girl. So you already got some content. Yeah. Well, I mean was more about the fucking Lena, which was amazing. I don't blame you at all because certainly she... Thank you. I think she

has more value in that situation. I'm not going to... I'm not going to put... I'm not going to put a value on either of you, but I'm sure it will be great on Wednesday when we can finally make it happen. I'm excited.

Yeah. Sounds great. Let me tell you the first. So when I first went to the Avian Awards, I forget what year it was, but it might have been before. 2018? Five years ago. It might have been 2017. I forget.

But either way. Did you come onto the Vixen stage? I'm talking about the actual awards show. But yeah, I was on the whole Vixen area. I think that was 2018. I met you then. And I had seen you for sure on all the different sites and everything like that. But I wasn't like fully aware of that much about you.

and then we go to the award show and you just fucking win every award and I remember me and my girl being like we gotta view more of her content this is insane. You just dominate it. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan.

And so I guess that's just a fun anecdote that that kind of blew my mind at that time. Yeah, that was a record number of awards. Really? Yeah. Wow. So I was really proud of that moment. That was great.

It was great. Yeah. Yeah. But it was kind of like, that was a really difficult couple of days leading up to that show doing the convention and then the awards because I was terribly sick. Really? I don't know if you remember that. Like, I couldn't speak to you on the stage because I was losing my voice.

But I had to host the Avian Awards that night. That was 2018. So I was hosting the awards show. I could barely speak the couple of days beforehand. So I was saving my voice. I wouldn't speak to anyone. I didn't want anyone to think I was rude. So I was trying to have like people beside me like explaining why she's not speaking.

Wow. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people don't know that that is like the most hectic weekend of the average, like the adult performers who do go to that. It's pretty much the most hectic weekend of their life or of that year. Myself, I was going thinking that I was just going to party and all the girls were going to want to go out party and turn up and stuff. Turns out it's not really the case because most of them are like signing and ticket photos. for eight hours and then have social obligations at night. It's really, if there's ever a time where a girl's going to want to get some sleep,

it's probably there. Yeah, it's work. It really is, it's fun. Like, it's fun work. It's great meeting all your fans. And there is definitely a party environment, but you have obligations every night to be at parties, to host parties. And then you have to wake up early, be in makeup.

So then you're, and you're meeting hundreds of people. So it's, you know, it's exhausting. It's fun, but it's exhausting. Right, definitely. Yeah. I think part of that of what kind of impresses me or amazes me about how consistent you've been for all these years and how you've really kind of managed to have like the longevity that we're just used to like very few people in the industry being able to pull off. I mean, I love what I do. That really helps.

Right. Okay. Okay. Melbourne or where in Australia you're from? Sydney originally. I moved down to Melbourne for university. So kind of I feel like Sydney and Melbourne are both my homes in Australia. Right. So what about your upbringing? Anything we need to know? Anything crazy that stands out as informative about what you had gone to do with your life?

I think the things that inform my sexuality all happened in high school. Really? Yeah, I was criticized heavily in high school for the ways that I expressed my sexuality. I was labeled a slut when I was sleeping with men and then I was labeled a lesbian when I was sleeping with women. It was like no matter what I did sexually, it was deemed inappropriate. Wow. And porn was the first place that I saw women being celebrated for having sex with multiple people. So that's where I kind of got my ideas about porn being this safe space for me to express and explore my sexuality.

Wow, that's interesting. So you're like a young kid, you're already tuned into porn, I'm assuming at this point. You're young watching on the computer or whatever. Mainly magazines. Really? Yeah. It was hard to even get a hold of magazines at that point. Yeah.

Yeah. What, your internet access was restricted? It was just so slow. Really? Yeah, it was dial-up. In what year are we talking? Because didn't you get into the biz in like 2012 or something? 2003.

Oh, that early. Holy shit. I'm totally off base. Okay. But I didn't start doing boy girl porn until 2011. Okay, that's what I was thinking about. Yeah. I did Go-Girl for eight years before I started doing boy girl porn.

Wow. Yeah. That's like a long stretch in the D-Leaks. That's already a career. It's already a go-go-girl. all porn career. I'm like the amateur circuit before you switched it up. Wow, interesting.

Yeah. Okay, but so you were hooking up with multiple guys at the same time or what were you doing that really got you the most shit? I mean, I was hooking up with a bunch of different people, multiple guys at the same time, girls, multiple girls. I just wanted to explore. Right. So, and it was a lot of fun.

And how bad was the societal repercussion? It was pretty bad. Yeah, I could imagine. If it was anything like when I was in school, it probably would have been pretty bad, yeah. It was pretty bad. I mean, this was before slut walks. So there was no, like, I mean, slut shaming was big, and you couldn't really claim to be a slut in a proud way. I mean, I tried my best.

But the slang for lesbian in Australia is lemon. Oh, I know that. Yeah, you're a lemon. It's a derogatory term. So I would get lemons thrown at me at school, and, you know, it's kind of painful. If you go to the supermarket and buy a fruit to torment somebody over their sexuality, that's really something else. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. But, yeah, I mean... I got punched in the face, too. By another girl. Yeah. For being a lesbian. So, I mean, I did... Maybe I shouldn't have said what I said.

But she was like, are you a fucking lesbian? Like, coming up in my face? And I said, why are you interested? And that's when I got punched in the face. Holy shit. Yeah. And you probably didn't. Did you feel like you were even like deserving of sympathy or were you sort of like brainwashed by these people to a certain extent into thinking that you really were wrong for what you were interested in?

No, if anything, it kind of made me like I had more resolved. Like I was, I was like, there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing. Right. And so it made me want to get into porn even more because I was like, okay, you know what? There's a place for me where I can explore my sexuality and be who I am. Right. And I'm going to be celebrated for that rather than criticized. So it just kind of solidified my want even more.

That's amazing. Yeah. But before you had joined the porn world, you went to college in Melbourne and studied gender studies, or were you doing adult content at the same time? Same time. Okay. Yeah. So as soon as you got out of high school, turned 18 type thing?

No, actually, I didn't go straight into university. I kind of took some time for myself, and I was shooting porn during that period. Just on a solo tip, or what was? What kind of content were you shooting? Who is there to shoot with in Australia? I'm not sure. Actually, my first porn that I shot was actually in Miami. Oh, wow.

So you took the trip, okay. Yeah, so that was wild. Australian girls love coming to America on vacation. Yeah, we do. All the time. I'll always meet a girl at the club or the bar or whatever, and there's just Australian girls coming to town for a few weeks or a few months just to take it in.

And I always be like, that's amazing because American girls aren't doing that. Australians love to travel. I mean, we're isolated on that island. So we love to leave. It is a lovely island, though. I fucking love it out there. It's beautiful. Yeah.

But, okay, so you decide to, describe shooting that in that early stage of your career? Okay, so I'm, I just turned 18. I'm still actually in high school at this point. Oh, wow. So I contacted a porn company that I'd wanted to shoot for. It was actually score. I don't know if you know them.

They used to, I mean, they still exist. Okay. They have score magazine, voluptuous magazine, and their website. And they specialize in big breasts. So I was like, okay. And you've always been equipped with that? Yes.

Yeah. Well, since I was 14, so for a long enough. So they were the company that I knew that my body was most suited for. So I contacted them. I actually sent them like a disc of amateur photos that I had my friends take. Snail-mail. What a sign of the times. A handwritten letter saying, I've never been shot.

I really want my first shoot to be with you guys. And, yeah. What was their reaction? Like were they excited to work with you? Yes. Objectively, how good did you look at that time in your life? I mean, I think I look a lot better now, to be honest. But I had what they wanted.

You know, I had like the big natural boobs that they specialize in. And I knew that this company was willing to and often flew overseas models into Miami to shoot. That was kind of their thing. I think they were really trying to differentiate themselves from like the mainstream L.A. industry by getting big natural boob girls from around Europe. So I was the first Australian. I think I'm the only Australian that they've flown out there, but

they were flying girls from the Czech Republic, from Germany, from France, like everywhere. So I knew that they had the money and were willing to fly girls overseas. So I was like, okay, I've got the body that they like to

have in their magazine. I mean, yeah, I'm overseas, but they clearly are willing to fly girls in. and they were keen straight away. How was the experience of actually doing it? You loved it. I loved it. It was so good because I'd been waiting since I was 14.

I'm literally just sitting there waiting, getting through high school, but just waiting for the opportunity to finally shoot porn. So that was years of me dreaming about being shot. And then I finally land there in Miami. And they treated me like a princess. You know, I'd never had my makeup and hair done. I'd never had that experience.

So I walk in. They're treating me like a princess. What do you need? Do you need some water? do you want to eat, let me do your makeup, do your hair, dress you up. Right. And then take all these pretty photos. It was incredible.

And it was the first time I'd been overseas by myself. I'd been overseas with my family before, but going overseas by yourself or you're still in high school, it's kind of wild. So you were just shooting like solo stuff or are you doing Girl Girl at that time? I wanted to do Girl Girl, but they started me off just solo, which I understand they'd never met me. They probably wanted to, you know, feel me out. maybe they didn't even know if I would turn up.

So we just did solo on that trip, and we did my first showcase movie, a solo showcase called A Day with Angela White. Wow. It was more than a day. Did you feel like it kind of blew up right away, like there was a real appetite for you? No.

No. Okay, it was relatively normal entrance into the industry. I think score and voluptuous have their hardcore loyal fans, and so within their fan group, I was very popular. but no it took many years of grinding before I got any like recognition. But doing boy girl content was off the table for you in the beginning? I just wasn't ready. I just wasn't ready.

So my decisions have always been based on this kind of fuck yeah motto. So like if I think about something and my initial reaction is fuck yeah, I want to do that, then I do it. If I think about something and I'm like, that's it. That means no. Right. There's something in my gut, whatever it is. Even if I can't put my finger on why it is that I'm not comfortable doing it, I don't do it. And I think that's actually one of the reasons I've been so successful in this career is that I don't do sexual acts on camera or off camera that I'm not like, yes, fuck yeah, I want to do that.

Really? Yeah. So that's like your kind of thing that's guiding you. Yeah. You're guiding light. Yeah. I like it. Yeah.

For sure. But it's interesting though, because you were like in high school sort of like aspiring to be one of the. of these girls who's doing stuff with like multiple guys and stuff. And then once you actually get into the industry, you decided to tone it down a bit for a while at least. Well, that's where the shyness comes in, or I guess that's sort of like uncertainty. Right.

Because I'll be honest, initially I said, yeah, I want to do boy girl. And then when they said, okay, we'll shoot boy girl. I was like, oh, f. Right. And I had that little niggling like, oh, I'm not sure. Maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should like just dip my toe first. Right.

Yeah. So then you go back to Australia and you decide, you want to go to school for like i just found it so interesting you went to school for gender studies and like that that was kind of an informative part of why you decided to go so so far in this industry i'm guessing like what made you want to go to school for that and did it relate to the adult content yeah well part of it was like i really didn't understand all the negativity that i was getting when i told people that i was in porn like people would always ask me or well don't you feel degraded and that just never made any sense to me i'm like why why would you ask if i'm feeling

degraded it's sex I love to fuck and these are I mean at that time I was only fucking women on camera but how is it how sex isn't degrading if it's consensual so why would having sex in front of a camera be degrading so it was when I started realizing oh these are like anti-porn feminist arguments that that are being brought up when I'm mentioning my porn career and I really wanted to unpack that and understand like why why why do they have these feelings And so I went to the University of Melbourne. I did a degree in gender studies. And, I mean, that was the degree that most allowed me to focus my studies on pornography and the sex industry more generally.

Right. Was there an extent to which, like, as you want to understand the totality of this sort of argument of, you know, viewing feminism as, you know, sex worker positive or completely against it, were you, was your mind entirely made up that you were, you were pro sex worker? Was there a part of you that was like, maybe they have a point? I should understand their argument better as well. I'm a very open person, so I do like to, I mean, all I knew is that my own experiences in porn were really positive, and that doesn't mean that everybody's experiences in porn are positive. And as you would know, there are some people that are not meant for porn, like porn is just not something that brings them pleasure at Atten as people like me who, you know, just love it. So I was open to their arguments.

I really, and you can't really unpack someone's arguments unless you're open to understanding where those arguments are coming from. Right. So I did. I wanted to learn. I wanted to learn why. Yeah, because I found like I end up ignoring people who have anything negative to say about porn 99% of the time. But it is kind of interesting when you actually do bother to wade into the conversation because it feels like I almost never like hear a good argument against it. It's always something stupid. It's always like, you know, like, just that they believe that there's like an inherent shame in doing this or whatever.

And it's like, I don't have that shame. So like you can have to start somewhere else in terms of what you think the argument is that porn is so bad, you know? I think starting from a place of empathy is really important. Like trying to empathize with them of why do they have, because sometimes they're very extreme reactions that they're having. So why are they having that reaction? and what truth actually underlies their problem with pornography. Because, okay, when people are like, oh, why won't someone think of the children, think of the children. Okay, all right.

Well, porn isn't created for children. It's adult entertainment for a reason. We have laws that they can't buy it and whatnot. Yeah, it's for adults. And just like we don't watch Fast and the Furious to learn how to drive, we don't watch porn to learn how to have sex. So underlying, there is an issue here that certain young people have maybe access to pornography when they shouldn't have, and they don't have the right sexual education to be able to understand what they're watching. But the problem isn't porn.

Porn isn't the issue. Adults should be allowed to purchase and view consensually made ethical pornography. Yeah, like if their argument is that it's a problem that kids might be seeing that kind of content, we're all in agreement on that, that that is a very bad. thing that should be avoided, there should be laws in place so that it's harder for kids to get access to that. We're 100% on the same page on that. Well, I don't know about laws. I always, it always gets, I'm always like, oh, it's a law. But I do think that we need better sexual education and age-appropriate porn literacy. Now, that does not mean showing kids porn. What that

means is kind of, like, we would explain to a child that a horror film isn't real. Right. And, you know, young adults need to understand. that porn is its entertainment. So it's not necessarily what you should be doing in the bedroom. Yeah, it's such a weird topic because, you know, it's an uncomfortable thing to think that you even have to have this kind of conversation with a kid at a certain point. But clearly there is a time in which you have to have a conversation about it.

The whole question is like, when is that kid going to be ready to, like, you know, my parents, like the information they gave me about sex was so bare bones that I can very clearly say that like my parents sort of like giving me like a five minute talk about what what what sex was and then me having to figure out about porn and about everything else on my own was probably not ideal for my development you know like i figured all this stuff out from like my friends at school and shit it's like and and porno magazines that we found in the woods you know it's like we could probably have done better in that regard yeah but um okay so yeah i mean that that that has always been an annoying thing what what did you find when you were going to school for gender studies and everything, did you just absolutely love being in that environment? What was your experience like with that? Yeah, I loved it. I mean, I've always been very focused in my life. I'm very much, like, I've kind of always been obsessed with sex.

Even as a kid, I was like the kid in the library, like, looking at all the cartoon illustrations and intercourse and where babies come from and all of that. So everything that I've done as an adult has always been kind of, somehow related to sex. So obviously I've been in sex work. I studied sex at university. Even when like I ran for politics, that was about sex work again. So there's definitely been a very much a focus in my life, a focus on sex. So I loved being in that environment, just being able to sit there and talk about sex and sex work and the good and the bad. and what do you think like when you actually look at why you're so drawn to that kind of

content and why it's just always made sense to you like what kind of conclusions have you sort of come to that help you to understand that and as you've gotten older in particular i'm sure you kind of ask yourself like everybody out sex why am i this consumed doing it why did i decide to go into this field etc yeah i'm still trying to figure that out i mean i'm a very like sensual person and in the sense of like my senses. Like I love to indulge my senses. So sight and sound and taste, like I'm very much into indulging in all of it.

So sex to me is, for me, it's a, it's kind of like everything's better with sex. Like I love to connect with people through sex. Sex is very interesting because it's a way that you can be fully present, but also escape. So if you're, if it, it's one of the only, I guess, things that you can do where you can be almost both at once. That's interesting. And I think every conversation starts with sex.

Well. Like, am I going to fuck this person? Would I like to fuck this person? I feel like a lot of people would disagree with that. A lot of people would say, no, I'm having conversations all the time with people and I'm not considering having sex with that. No, I mean, I mean, but you've considered, you know you're not, going to have sex. How do you know you're not going to have sex with them? Because a little part of your

brain was like, am I going to have sex with you? No, I'm not. Right. Like, I can easily put them in the not having sex category and then move on. You've put them in that category because you thought about sex, even for a split second. You were like, nope. But it is weird when you think about where it's super easy to understand why people want to have sex, even when, you know, for, you know, biologically, we are built to essentially want to reproduce. But then sometimes when I'm chilling with my girl or we have a bunch of other girls over and we're having like a fucking orgy or whatever and I'm kind of like, what is it that makes us

so exciting about me? Because obviously, clearly we're all very invested in not reproducing from this. Like, what is it that's like occupying so much of my brain that I want to be involved with this for hours at a time, you know? Well, it's pleasurable.

We're also social creatures and it is a way that we socially interact with one another, maybe not with everyone, but with the people we like. Yeah. I mean, definitely I've had sex with women even just doing content and really felt like I knew them on a

deeper level after that. Yeah. Literally deep. And then every time you see them, it's kind of like you have that weird little like half connection. You hooked up, but it was for content, but you did hook up. Yeah.

Yeah. Although when I see women that I had sex with with a condom, I don't really feel anything. Really? You think that there's a barrier, literally in figuratively. I don't feel like we've really shared that much. It has to be bare.

Yeah. But I don't know. that's just where I've gotten to at this point of my life. Anyway, okay, so do you always know that you were going to to study this topic because you wanted to then dedicate your life to, or were you, you thought you were

going to stay in academia? I mean, I thought I was actually going to study journalism. Yeah, and then I realized that I was not after I got all those questions. Right. Yeah. So then how do you proceed with your career once you graduate or what happens?

It was actually after I graduated that I decided to do boy girl. It was kind of like this transitional period of my life and I'm like, okay, what next? What am I going to do next? Did you like have a relationship end that then made you want to try? I just kind of automatically assume that if you weren't doing boy girl in the beginning, it might have been a guy around. It wasn't, okay. No, all my decisions have always been based on that fuck yeah motto. It's always the fuck yeah. Okay. So I just finished my degree. I wasn't sure exactly what I was going to do next and I started thinking about boy girl again. I periodically would question, okay, should I do it now? Should I do it? Shouldn't I? And that was the first time I'd ever

thought about boy girl and got that fuck yeah answer. Really? Yeah. I started thinking about it more and more. I started masturbating about it. So I was like, okay, this is it. And I kind of, you know, I still, even though I had the fuck yeah, I still went through like all the pros and cons. And I still came to the end of it and was like, you know what? Fuck yeah. I want to do this. So you go back to Miami or you go to LA or how do you actually do this? It was actually shot in St. Martin. Okay. Nice. Yeah. And how was that? Was it everything you had hoped for? Yeah, it was amazing. Really? Yeah. Describe the difference practically between girl, girl and boy girl. Like obviously there's a guy, et cetera. Does it take a lot longer? There's a lot more complications. Like from your

perspective, what was different? Okay. Well, there's people. see a difference in girl and boy girl. It's kind of actually misogynist. It's kind of fucked up. That for some reason, like, boy girl is considered hardcore and girl girl is considered softcore. Like, if two girls are fucking, they're fucking. Like, why is there a hierarchy?

But there still kind of is. So there's that difference. Like, I was becoming more hardcore. What was the difference? I mean, I was again excited and nervous, because it was something new. Obviously, I was penetrated very deeply by a dick. Presumably a large one?

It was very large. And in fact, when we did the photos first, and as we were shooting the photos, I'd done the BJ portion, and he was about to stick it in, and I was like, you know what? I don't think that's going to fit. And that was, as I said, fit. He just, like, slam that thing.

And I was like, all right, it does fit. I don't know. I mean, I've been fucking guys. You've been out of for a while now, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I was excited and nervous because I hadn't done it on camera. Right. Or hadn't, well, I had done it on camera, but not for a, not for the world to see. Let me get your thoughts on this.

Because, like, recently I had somebody on the podcast, they said, do you consider yourself with porn? I said, no. They said, but you're fucking girls on camera. You do this stuff. I go, this is why I refuse to put myself in that category. It's because I haven't really, like, seen that much of it, but I have a rough idea. of how hard it is to be male talent in the industry and how long they have to perform

and how much goes into it and I have a lot of respect for that. And I don't really think that me showing up for 10, 15, 20 minutes on my girls' only fans is really deserving of that kind of thing. Am I correct? So 10, 15 minutes on Wednesday, is it? Just so I...

Listen, I'm going to try to perform the best I can. I'm going to come equipped. I'm going to have multiple rounds on deck. But I don't, like, I just, I've seen, I've hired guys to do content. for us with other girls and stuff, I'm impressed. I'm often really, really wowed,

and I really don't think I belong in that category. It's not because I'm, like, ashamed of wearing that title or anything. I just don't think I deserve it, really. 15 minutes is pretty good. 15 solid? I feel like in the only fans age, 10 minutes, has become, like, kind of the default for a lot of stuff. I know that the average keeps changing,

but what is it, like six or seven minutes? That's the average. In the civilian world? Yeah, the people are having sex. Don't quote me on that. I know. That makes sense to me. Yeah.

Does that include everything, including penetration? I don't know. Right. That's a good question. Interesting. I'll look into that. But anyway, much shorter than 15 minutes. It is average, right, yeah.

But, okay, so do you view it that way? Like, are you kind of in awe of the male performance from time to time? I am in awe of them. But getting back to the porn star thing, I wouldn't even call myself a porn star. Like, that's cringy. No, no, no, but you can call me that if you want. Right. But if I'm like, I'm a porn star.

Like, it's just, you know, I'm a porn performer. Right. Calling yourself as stars. Kind of cringy. I feel you. It's a bit weird. Right. I mean, you're a performer.

It's not your... I mean, this is kind of... This is your profession. Right. So maybe you feel uncomfortable because really, like, this is your profession. You're not... I'm sure...

I'm a porn hobbyist. Yeah. That really is how I feel, too. It's like, I just pop in. I do a little bit of this, but it's just a very side thing. You're an occasional porn performer. Right. Yeah.

I'm okay with that. Yeah. Yeah, I am in awe of the performances that the males do on camera. Yeah, they're, I mean, the females as well. We're all sexual athletes, really. Right. Yeah. Athletes, huh?

It feels like that every time you shoot or just some of the time? When I'm doing more, I don't like to call it extreme, but like when I'm doing acts that are more physically intensive, you, are training for those acts, you're stretching like any kind of athlete would, you're preparing. I mean, we have to prepare our bodies day in, day out for the physical work that we do. We have to eat right. We have to be going to the gym. We have to keep our body in like at peak physical condition. When we're doing anal or double anal or gangbangs, we're literally having to prepare our muscles for that intake. There's a lot about, and it's also like,

like athletes there is kind of a timeline there's I mean we do have there are a lot of older men and women in the industry but you know when you're your peak is generally

when you're younger just like an athlete do you think that your longevity in a lot of ways has been because you took everything so serious when you talk about stretching you're talking about working out etc I feel like I've interviewed a lot of adult stars who've

even been in the game for a while and I don't know that they really emphasize stuff like that. I think that there's a number of factors that have contributed to my success and I think that one of those things is that I am like I'm very much about business. And I take it I take it seriously. I take it seriously as a job. I take it I take it seriously that I'm a sexual athlete. And I take it seriously that it's not a party. You know, there are different people get into to porn for different reasons. Obviously, I got into it because I love sex. I wanted a space where I could have sex with multiple people,

with other people that would be my sexual peers, that would be supportive of me, rather than being criticized like I was outside of porn. But also I realized that I could take something that I loved and make it a business. And that's really the ideal for most people is to work a job. It's like work a job you love and you never work a day in your life.

Right. And that's... Is this the only business that you've ever managed is like the business of Angela White or do you have other experience outside of that? I don't really have... I mean, when I was in high school, I worked at Burger King and I worked at a department store. So I've had experiences in other jobs, but nothing much that would kind of help me run this business, except for having the discipline to know that when I get a call time, you turn up early.

On time is late. You know, late is just don't turn up. You've always been like that. You've always taken it that serious. I've always taken it that seriously. I treat it like a job. It is a job. So when you get the call time, it's not, oh, you know, traffic.

I'm running 30. It's, of course, you know, something can happen to anyone at any point, you know. But really, you know what the traffic's like in L.A. Right, yeah. You know when you need to leave to make it there on time. So it's just like any other job And I think that You know you have to realize that when you're working in porn

If you don't turn up You're actually screwing up everyone else's money The PA, the photographer, the camera operator You know the other talent that are there to shoot that day The makeup artist, the location There's a lot of people that you're going to be screwing over If you don't treat this like a job Because it is one.

And that's one thing I realized from talking to Spiegelor and stuff is that it's an industry where, you know, there is culturally almost like an understanding between a lot of people where it's like, it's just porn. Maybe I can just fuck off. Maybe I can be late, et cetera. And he's so opposed to that. And in reality, it's not that kind of business. In reality, this is like, you know, there's a call time. There's a lot of people that are going to be there. And if you show up an hour and a half late, you're a fucking asshole.

So like when I talked to Spiegeler and. and really realized how important the professionalism is for him, that really made me understand why he was so great at his job is because he takes a sense of seriousness to something that maybe historically there's been a lot of people who didn't want to take it that seriously. And I see that in you too, so it's very clear where you're both successful, yeah.

Yeah. Definitely. Okay, so you're getting into the game, and then how do you proceed from there? Do you start, stepping it up in terms of doing, you don't like the term extreme, but doing more intensive things. And was that part of what was driving you? Did you want to push yourself to the limits? That's what it became at a certain point. But for example, when I first started doing boy girl, I had no plans to do anal.

None whatsoever. I just didn't think that I'd be able to take porn dicks and get pounded in the ass like that. I just really didn't think that was an option for me. seen those things and I yeah I agree I would assume that you would have some doubts there yeah and now I probably do more anal than anything else wow really so that that kind of happened as an accident I was webcaming at the time because I was still I was back in Australia so web camming was the best way for me to earn money there there is some porn being shot in Australia but it's a much smaller industry so I had to supplement that income with webcaming and then one night I was doing a show and and I accidentally fisted my asshole.

The vibes were just right? Well, I just, I started with one finger and then I was like, oh, I could probably fit two in. And then I was, well, I could probably fit three. And then suddenly my whole fist was inside me. And I was fisting myself thinking, you know what, I guess I can do. And you've been doing adult, you've been doing adult content

all these years, and you hadn't really realized that perhaps you were gifted in this regard? Yeah, I had no idea. Wow. Yeah. So shout out to that guy I did that show for. Thanks to you, I now do a lot of anal porn, double anal, gang bangs, DPs, all of that. And are you, what would you describe as your motivation to do that?

Is it the fact that you want to make more money? Is it the fact that you want to be the greatest version of the porn story that you already are? Or is it a sense of like you want to see this as art? Like, do you want to have this catalog? Is it important you know that you have hundreds and hundreds of scenes of extreme stuff? Extreme. Intense stuff. So part of getting into the industry was exploring my sexuality and wanting to do so in a safe environment. And so once I realized that I could do anal, of course I wanted to explore that.

And then, well, I've done anal. So let's try DP. I want to know what that's like. I'd never done DP off camera. So I wanted to experience it. And then of course, I had done gangbangs off camera, but never with anal. It's like, I want to do a gang bang. It's really like, I want to experience everything that I can sexually. Right. Well, everything that I can that's a fuck yeah. Definitely. But so what keeps you going at this point when you've already done all these things?

It's like, you know, maybe your first gang bang or anal gang bang was this big step in this direction and you were scared and you were intimidated and like what about doing your 10th or your 20th or whatever? Like at a certain point, does it stop feeling like a challenge? No, I love it. I love it. You do the first and then it's like, wow, I love this and I want more of this. And the thing about gangbangs in porn is that it's actually very difficult to organize a gangbang.

Like it's very difficult to get that many guys in a room that get along with each other, that can work as a team, that can all get hard and stay hard, and that are all tested. Like porn is, if you like gangbangs, porn is the ultimate place for you to be. You know it's safe. Everyone's tested. It's also safe in the sense that you're on set. You know, if at any moment you're uncomfortable, you can call cut. You know, whereas if it's in. a private situation, you know, it's just a little bit more, I mean, you don't have a bunch of people

like a director and a PA there that are going to stop everything if you're uncomfortable. I mean, you obviously hope in that moment that if you say, hey, let's stop, it will stop. Right. Yeah, we've had some girls on here basically describing them doing gangbings in their personal life, like in Airbnbs and stuff. And that, like, as we, it went very, very viral, just the idea that this girl fucked 50 guys in a night or whatever. that's what she said. I know, right. But I think she later might have said it was 37.

Still. Still. I know. And one of the main things that we were saying is like, think about the logistics. Oh, yeah. Getting all these guys at one place, that I'm all being tested. I don't. Would they test it?

I don't know. It was before she was in the industry, I think, so I don't, I can't say for sure. But either way, I was just like, you know, the ability to organize that, that these guys are all going to show up, that they all have the same drive to just go fuck a girl in front of a room full of other guys. I mean, this is impressive. Yeah, that they can get hard in front of all those guys and that they all get along. They're not going to like fight for the pussy.

You get guys from like opposing gangs. If you ever got to start fighting on set, it's got to have happened, right? No one's ever fought. Sometimes there's been a little bit of tension, but I'm really like when most of the gangbanks that I've done, I've directed or I've had, or I've chosen the talent.

Right. So I'm very good at knowing who works well together and who you don't put together. Interesting. Tell me if this is true. I had a girl tell me this and obviously not going to say names or anything, but she said that there was male talent that she was booked to work with and that he was like he showed up stinking like hell and had clearly been partying all the night before.

She said that he escaped through the bathroom window to go get full. fucked up. I heard this story. It's true. Yeah. My jaw was dropped and she was like his dick is so big and he's so in demand in the industry that people just let this kind of shit fly. I was like jaw dropped. I'm like I can't believe that's a real thing. Yeah. Not it's not it's not common. It's very uncommon. It's very uncommon. Yeah. Like most of the men in the industry, I mean, their diet has to be on point. Really? Yeah. For them to have like big loads for them to be, you know, getting hard on and staying hard. They have to be athletic.

Yeah. I don't think you would be very successful for an extended period if you were doing drugs or anything like that. What do you eat to make your loads bigger? I didn't even know that was a thing. There are some, I mean, I've heard of semenacs. I mean, there are guys that, I mean, they say hydrated. Yeah.

That makes sense. Yeah, I don't know. There's certain protein shakes and stuff. I don't know. The best, let me ask this. The best male talent that you've ever worked with. like are they capable of just sort of like going over and over and over and they can just get hard on demand and stuff like what what you don't need to name names but like describe the the ability of like the top talent you've worked with okay so the ultimate talent the ultimate male talent can get hard and stay hard without like naturally right so without taking anything um they're really horny like they're actually like freaks they want to fuck and they can just just fuck for hours and then come on demand. That's the ultimate. And you and you have like in your

head you have like a list of guys that you know that when you're booked with them they're a dream to work with. And then like to add on top if you want to be like even more ultimate can fuck in a way to make the girl look really good because because you can fuck hard and long but then you just like putting the girl in positions that don't even look good or positions that actually hurt the girl. Like if you're holding the girl's leg in a way for an extended period that actually hurts the best they're they're it's so easy for them it's like autopilot they know where to put your leg where it's going to be comfortable um where you're going to be able to stay in that position for a long time where your back is arched where you look great where it feels great they can make you come they can i mean that's the

ultimate ultimate wow yeah so guys when you ask me can you help me get into the industry and you see me make a face that's like, uh, right. Like, that's why. It's because I know that there's actual, like, real talented dudes out there that are filling most of these roles. And so when you kind of show some interests, it's like, whatever, you know, go prove yourself and then tell me that you want to get into the business. It's not my business. Like, there's a lot of people you could talk to besides me that would probably be better to talk to about that. Anyway. Don't ask me there. Yeah. Don't ask me. Oh, my God. You probably get those DMs more than anyone all the time. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's hilarious.

How does it feel seeing like it's almost like it's hard to see what's happening sometimes when you're in the heat of the moment, but what we've seen happen to the adult industry over the course of the past couple years is unbelievable. It's like something that in a lot of ways I think people theorized about for years and years. Like I remember somebody asked me when I interviewed Riley read way back of the day, somebody asked me if I would do porn and I responded as if it was the craziest. question you know and then by the time I actually started doing only fan stuff with my girl it just seems like nothing it's become normalized in a way that hard to even fathom like how did what's your perspective on that especially as somebody who's really part of the old guard you came up the old school way that is probably now going to be like muscle much less girls are going to come up that way

they're probably largely from now on going to become sort of mini only fan stars and then do stuff in the business well I think it's great yeah because performers have more power than they've ever had before. Performers are making more money than they ever had before. And it really, I mean, it empowers all performers, but it particularly empowers women who have traditionally been seen as the ones that have been disempowered and degraded through working in porn. But, I mean, the women have always earned more than men, but the women now in the industry just, they're making so much money. If they're doing it right, obviously you have to, you have to be you have to be professional and build your brand. It's not easy money. People think it's just

easy. I mean, if you're really pretty, of course, you're going to get booked a few times with every studio when you first come in, but if you're not professional, if you're not showing up on time, if you're not clean, if you don't know how to handle your money, then, you know, you're not going to be successful in the long run. But, I mean, now it's the women that they really are directing everything and literally like they're directing their scenes for only fans they're the ones that are hiring the the videographers and the photographers and they're choosing the locations and they're in charge of of their brand and how they look and which makeup artists they hire for the most part so it's i mean i think it's it's really good it reminds me of when i watched documentaries about

like the crack epidemic when crack came out it's like you just had all these young dudes who were just making so much money from these low-income neighborhoods. Now, obviously, selling crack and selling porn is a very different thing. One is wrong. One is illegal. And one is legal. Right. But there's something kind of magical about all these dudes from these low-income neighborhoods

all of a sudden being able to be rich for the first time in American history. And when I look at this, it's kind of the same thing where, like, a sex worker would have had to go so unbelievably hard to earn like a good wage. And then they're kind of at the whim of the directors and the industry really gets to sort of like boss them around tell them what they're worth, etc. And now we just have like, you know, it's not uncommon for us to meet girls

where I'm making 50, 100,000 plus a month. And a lot of them are, a lot of those girls we're talking about are not even working with male talent necessarily. They're doing girl, girl stuff, doing solo stuff. They get to call the shots. The industry really just has to like play catch up in a certain way. I mean, it's pretty unbelievable.

But from a women's perspective, it's the best possible development. Well, and he's the great. thing about this for studio porn because some people are kind of like worried about what's going to happen to big studio porn but when the girls are coming to set now you know they want to be there so when you're when you're watching studio porn you know that that girl is there because she wants to be there because she likes that company because she doesn't have to be there right I mean she's making more money on only fans right she doesn't have to come to to shoot on a studio set

But if she's there now, you know it's because she loves it. Right. What gets you motivated to shoot with actual studios knowing that if you just turn to all your attention to shooting your own content for only fans, you could probably make more? Well, I love shooting porn. I love the collaborative environment. I love being on set. Like, there's just something about creating something together. I mean, when I'm shooting only fans, I am still creating with other people.

But there's something about that environment with having so many people there to create, like, that have the same. vision. I like my studio work. I like the way it looks. Also, you know, it's good to do some studio work, to be honest. It's almost like promoting yourself for your other ventures, whether it be only fans or many vids or wherever you're creating and putting out your content. Because I was interesting your thoughts on that because like me and my girl, we recently took on a couple of different girls that were managing. One of the girls, I definitely have thought about that, like, damn, like, if she shot for browsers, vixen, et cetera, if we just, like, lined up a certain amount of shoots or whatever, I mean, that machine is big. Like, there's a reason

why girls get into the traditional porn industry, and all of a sudden they get, you know, a couple hundred thousand followers on Twitter, and you never heard of them, but they got on this platform and people liked them, and people just followed them, and boom, they got a whole career from there. I mean, the fucking studios don't own your Twitter account from there. Those are your fans that you get to market to. And I've thought about that. I've thought about telling are like, hey, would you be down to do this? But I'm also not sure if it's, like, necessarily the best idea in the long term.

But I think it's probably some of the best promotion you can get, right? Yeah. Yes. Right. Because, I mean, think about it. Girls do, like, content trades with each other all day or, like, Instagram shoutout trades all day. I mean, like, what are the major porn studios aside from, like,

massive shoutout machines that have huge fan bases, you know? Yeah, it's... I'll also say that you learn a lot from being on set. You learn a lot about lighting. This is how I ended up becoming my own producer and director. I learned from being on set. I learned the kinds of positions people are shooting and how low they get. Like, where is the lighting?

What's the etiquette on set? You learn a lot. You meet a lot of people. For me, it's such a fun environment. You're a traditionalist. I am. You are. I can feel it for sure.

I respect that, though, because it's like, it's an art. It's like there's a traditional way to go about it. Yes, yes, the Rolling Stones could probably play a virtual concert and maybe make more money, but they want to be in those venues. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Also, like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of bad habits that are learned on, like, only fan sets, I guess.

Like, sometimes I see the way someone's filming and I'm almost like, oh, God, What are you doing? Like the other day I was doing an OnlyFans thing where there was another person filming and I was getting titty fucked and he came around from my POV. Now if you do a if you do my POV when I'm getting titty fucked, you're just getting a fucking dick slamming into the camera lens. I'm like, no, you have to get his POV and I'm like that would never happen on a pro porn set. You learn these things from going through the studio system. I'm sure if we were to

really sit down and watch a lot of amateur only fans content, we would probably be able to pick out a lot of things that, and I even notice it for myself. I notice myself filming into the ringlight sometimes and I'm like, Jesus Christ, then I realize and I'm like, fuck, I just filmed for five minutes straight and the lighting looks worse than it could have looked. On the one hand, like, I'm dying inside when I'm seeing the camera. we're here and a dick just going to the lens. I'm dying. But on the other hand, I'm like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it looks more

amateur, the fans want it to seem amateur, they want it to seem more real, this is fine, everything's fine. Right. Wow. So you shooting into the ringlight probably gives it a more real feel like they know you're not professional. Right. Leave the soda can on the ground.

Don't pick up the McDonald's bag in the corner. This is the hardest part for me because I know that my only fans' content sometimes looks to professional because I'm Talk about producing and directing. What led to you getting involved in that? For a minute,

I was starting to think that you were like really just so in love with the experience of showing up and being the starlit that you might not even want to take on other roles on set. Let me be very clear. I only direct when I'm also getting fucked. Okay. I don't direct other people when I'm not fucked. Is it really hard to do both at the same time?

Yes and no. The reason, if I was doing features, like, story driven porn, then it would be difficult. But because I'm shooting gonzo, like my favorite type of porn to shoot is all-sex gonzo. So I just, so that's, I mean, it's really just about the two or more people in the scene

fucking how they want to fuck. Right. So my directing is more, and producing is more like, okay, I'm going to control the location, choose my makeup artist, choose my photographer,

choose my videographer, choose my wardrobe, choose the vibe, choose my partners, so I'm in control of all of that. And the direction that I give to say, if it's with male talent, the direction I'll give to my male talent is like, I literally want you to fuck me, however you would fuck me without the cameras here,

like go wild, let's get crazy. That's my direction. So it's not like I'm asking people to do a bunch of lines. So it's much easier for me because it's really just, I allow for that spontaneity when we're fucking. The only thing is every now and again, because I'm directing, I might out of the corner of my eye, see the cameraman somewhere. I would prefer him, like, I'd prefer him to be on the connection right now rather than on the penetration. And I have to decide in that moment, okay, do I just, I have to trust whoever's filming.

I have to trust that they'll come up and capture this moment right now. Because if I don't want to, I don't like to cut. Cutting, I prefer it to be camera on straight through no cuts because that's really. really authentic. Yeah. I hate having to cut something. Just feel like if I could get a good hour or two, like straight, that's so much better than like, you know, a few snips in it.

I just need to use the restroom. Can we cut? You can. No, I'm kidding. But, yeah. Because you can feel it because I have to do that. Sometimes I'll do a four-hour interview. I got to go take a piss.

And it's like, I come back and the energy is a little different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to ask, do you, are you interested in? doing more like business in porn aside from just you being the talent and stuff like because it occurs to me as we're having this conversation that you could probably start like a porn studio if you wanted to and just given how specialized you are how much you know it could probably

be competing with some of the top brands and stuff like is that uh does that appeal to you are you interested in like forming businesses have you thought about like maybe one day you're going to be 50 and you aren't going to want to shoot anymore and maybe you want to have like like what do you think about the long term like that yeah i do you Right now, I just love to fuck. So that's my focus is performing in porn. But I, you know, I've thought about like creating my own platform and I'm definitely thinking future. But ideally, I would make enough money performing and invest in the right way that when it comes to that, I don't necessarily have to have another business.

Like I can retire and I've made my money. so we'll see I just can't get away from the fucking like I've had a lot of really good like directing offers from companies saying you know direct for us which would obviously be me directing without fucking and I'm just like ah that doesn't sound like a good use of your Tuesday

I just want to I just want to jump in you ever think about hanging it up though you ever think about like when your body might tell you this is no longer a fuck yeah experience but when does your body ever not enjoy sex yeah yeah but also like yeah i don't know it's like you just do you see a version of your because i think about that with myself sometimes like okay i'm doing this now am i going to be doing it in 10 years i don't know maybe maybe i want to hang it up by then but it's not going to mean that i don't enjoy sex it's just going to be maybe at a certain point i've done enough that i might want to take a step back from it

Has that even, it doesn't seem like that's really on your radar. That's dumb. That's good. That's good. You found your true love. Yeah. For sure. That's awesome.

Okay. I have a couple of things I want to ask about what, so when you ran for office, explain to me how this went and what motivated that. Okay. So I was asked by the Australian Sex Party, which is a legitimate political party in Australia. They've actually changed their name now. I can't remember to work. So for the right, we have two parties. And you guys have so many parties that you can just have the sex party. Yeah. Must be nice. Yeah, the Australian sex party. So they asked me to run because I ran in the

seat of Richmond and there was someone, a woman running for, it was the Greens. Oh, it's been so long now. Kathleen Moultson. And her policy was that she wanted to shut down a the brothels in Melbourne. So she was running off like a Swedish model where, you know, you, the men that are partaking in the sexual services, they become the criminal. And basically that the reason it doesn't work is that it makes sex work unsafe for the women involved. So regardless of what you think of sex work, if your type of feminism is that you believe that it's degrading to women. The reality is if you're a feminist, you should, you should care about the safety of the sex workers involved. And what shutting sex work does, down, does is push it underground. So it makes

it less safe for the women involved. Now, brothel work and escorting is legal in Australia. So there's slightly different laws for each state, but the brothels that were in Melbourne, which was where I was running, they're completely legal. So she was trying to shut down this industry that was totally legal. And my job wasn't to win the seat. My job was to draw attention to the fact that this was one of her policies. And she was running for the Greens Party, which is generally very like progressive. So they're usually very sex positive, sex worker positive. So this was kind of counter to their usual narrative. So my job was like to be like, hey, like this is happening. Do not vote for her and kind of funnel votes away from her.

Is your general perception of the brothel sort of thing in Australia is that it runs very well and it's very safe and it's like it performs well. It's not a lot of crime related to it and whatnot. I honestly can't tell you the ins and outs of it. I haven't worked in that scene in Australia or here. So I just, I don't really know. There could very well be improvements that need to be made, but I'm not the person to ask.

All I knew is that the sex workers themselves were saying that if you shut down the brothels, you make our work unsafe, you put our lives in danger. So that was like, okay, that's my concern. Right, because I mean, haven't been to like, you know, Amsterdam, for example, standing in that, I was young, I was like 19. And I'm just looking at the women and they're able to perform their job. It's clearly much, much safer than the alternative. It was just, I'm like, there's no way that you could consider this worse than women having to walk up and down the street and deal with who knows what amount of violence and having to go back to random dues apartments or even in L.A., there's just like streets where pretty much 100% of the sex that's taking place is just. like in people's cars and stuff.

Yeah. And I've had conversations with some of those women who have been beaten and raped and obviously have no way to get any kind of justice, no way to report it, no way to do anything. They're lucky they didn't get killed. I mean, it's hard to imagine anyone really looking at these two options side by side and deciding that women roaming the street and getting fucked in cars is a better option. Yeah.

And when it's legal, the women have recourse to, you know, like you said, justice. They can call the cops if something happens. as if it's illegal or underground, they're going to be scared to contact the authorities. So I got enough votes that because she had a very good chance of winning that seat. So my job was literally just to take votes from her. And I did that. So I was like, yep, that was a success.

Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Good job. Thanks. Also wanted to ask about it's kind of always been like a thing. But there's always like the mode that certain women get into where they spend some time in the porn industry and then they exit and then they shit on it. And they have negative things to say.

Sometimes those things are very valid because, you know, they might have been dealing with some misconduct on set, etc. Obviously, don't want to take anything away from people like that. But you do sort of see how this becomes like a grift at a certain point where people just sort of use their porn experience to then talk down on it. They get to appeal to the audience who looks at that kind of thing and says, aha, look. it's all fucked up. She was in the industry and she says it's fucked up. How do you feel about that? And do you see that at being like a growing or slowing trend?

Okay. So it's how do I feel about when someone has a terrible experience in the porn industry? I hate that. Like it saddens me because it's true. Like not everybody does have a great experience. I'm very privileged in that I've had a wonderful experience. I've also, you know, been able to, through that privilege, put myself in positions where I'm not going to be in a vulnerable position. I work with who I want to work with.

I choose my talent. I choose the companies. You know, I'm now a browser's contract star. So, you know, I understand that I'm in a privileged and powerful position. Not everybody has the experience I have. And I think that, you know, there's always ways any industry could improve. And I think that we as an industry do need to work on making set safe. And I think that many companies have actually turned up and done what's needed to be done.

Like even Brazzers has a consent list. Like when you come to set, you go through pages of acts and you list like what you will do, what you won't do, what you're willing to do. But like there's like a description of, you know, where you can kind of like, you know, yes, I'll be slapped butt softly or no, no hair pulling unless it's, you know. So there's a lot of companies stood up and said, okay, we're going to make these sets safe. They conversed with performers asking like, how can we make your experience on set more comfortable, fun, ethical.

And I think that the industry is really improving. Now, even if you have great experiences on set, if you have any shame related, to sex, you might still not enjoy your experience, like your time in porn. If you hold on to any of those, you know, societal stigmas, porn isn't for everyone. You do have to be, you really need to be a confident person and confident enough to take criticism because you will be criticized for the decisions that you've made. Even though sex work is becoming a little more normalized,

especially after the pandemic, I feel like everyone got an only fan. after that and so it's normal for people to know a sex worker but yeah i i i guess i'm i'm saddened by the fact that the people that come out against the industry i'm saddened that they had a bad experience definitely yeah but it also just sucks to see the whole industry painted with a very broad brush in those incidents yeah yeah i mean sometimes it'll be like one direct or or a certain company and then every company gets tarred. Right. Definitely.

Yeah. Yeah. Messy stuff. We got to, I don't really know what to say about it. It's just like, it does kind of rub me the wrong way sometimes when I see people, but then at the same time, you know, you got to feel from a little bit. Yeah. Definitely. Okay, so what do you have coming up?

Anything in particular that stands out that you're excited about or? Well, I'll use this as my. plug to say I'm a Brazzas contract star now. Amazing. So I did my, my debut contract scene just came out. It was a gang bang, of course. So I wanted to start my contract with a bang. Right. A gang bang. I think they sent me a login. I can't remember, but I should go check that out either way. Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. I chose all my male talent and it was crazy. We did DP, double anal, double Vag, triple penetration. Triple Vag. Jesus. No, no, no, wait, no, triple penetration. So when I say Triple penetration, not three in one hole.

So I've done two in the Vag, two in the ass, and then done like two in the ass, one in the Vag, so triple penetration. Right. Two in the Vag, one in the ass. Did I say that? Both variations. Right. I think it's so impressive that you're able to get so many guys together that don't mind having their wieners pressed up against other guys' weaners and stuff. Because that to me, I think that's kind of on my no list.

But I think it would feel so good. Like, I think it would feel so good. Right. Like, it's like just frotting inside a woman. Frotting? Frotting. Yeah. What is frotting?

Frotting, it's like when you, you know, rub your dicks together. But then you're doing it inside a hole. That's hot. Yeah. Okay. I think I'm going to stick to just observing it on the screen personally. If I had a dick. Listen, if you had a dick, Lord knows what you would be doing with it.

There'll be all kinds of crazy stuff going on. Well, anyway. Oh, maybe I've done quadruple penetration, actually, because sometimes I've done, I've done, I've done triples and then had one in my mouth. So I don't know if that's... Jesus Christ. Yeah. Nothing by respect for my president.

But don't you think, like, the hole would just get so much tighter? Like, if you had two dicks in one hole, like, it would just feel... Listen, I don't know. It's a little edgy from my perspective. I'll admit I'm not open-minded enough that I could really imagine myself doing this. But in theory, sure. I can imagine it being a good old time. No, am I like that?

My fairly conservative non-porn employees are both all looking at us like, Jesus, don't you want to try everything? Like everything, obviously everything that's consensual and whatever. But like within the bounds of what's legal and consensual, don't you want to like experience everything on the, this is your one chance on earth. Don't you want to like, what if you finally did it and it was the best thing you've ever done?

I will say this. It's very easy in this industry to begin to, to feel vanilla, you know, to begin to feel like, well, Jesus Christ, everybody else is doing this. Maybe I'm kind of boring. Like, maybe I should do that. I don't think it's going to allow me, or lead me in the direction of actually doing that kind of thing at this point. But I feel what you're saying for sure.

Yeah. And I'm not trying to pressure you at all. I just think, I think it's hot. If I show up on Wednesday and you got some male towel and you're like, guess what? Surprise! You could try it with a dildo so that then there's, Because if, I mean... Random story.

2011, I was with this girl that I was seen at the time. We go out, drink it in Vegas. We get a hotel and whatever. We're hooking up after in the hotel room. We're doing anal. She jammed like two additional of her own fingers in her ass. I was like, I had never seen that before. It blew my mind.

Did it feel good? Yes. See? I wasn't complaining. See? But also just blew my mind into a million pieces. couldn't believe it was a real thing. But do you see what I'm saying?

Like when you fill it up, the fingers felt good. I'm just saying. No, I feel you. Yeah. I mean, if it's about the other guy, I get it, okay, that's not part of your sexual repertoire. But fingers or a toy.

You never know. Yeah. Anything could happen. Yeah. My girl would probably love this idea. Angela White. The pride of us. Australia, one of the greatest to ever do it, in my opinion.

Oh, thank you. You're looking forward to being in the record books maybe one day. Like, you know, sometimes we wonder, like, what still drives Drake to, like, be at number one in the charts for so long. Do you feel like in a way, like, you're working on your, you're hanging up the jerseys in the stadium? I don't know if that happens in Australia. I don't, I already broke all the records. Like, I'm the first female to win performer the year three times. Wow.

So, I mean, and that was never really the drive for me. That was a great, I mean, that was the cherry on top, like that kind of recognition. It felt great to be recognized by my peers. Right. And all my hard work recognized as well. But, like, it's the sex that drives me. It's the exploration that drives me. It's my passion for it.

So I'm going to keep going, I mean, I guess until I'm no longer passionate about it. And I just can't see that happening. Nothing but respect. Yeah. Thank you. Angela White. No Jumper. Coolest podcast for the world.

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On Wednesday. An entanglement, if you will. Yeah. So y'all know where to look for that. Your dick and some of my fingers in one hole. Thank you.