No Jumper - The Bandman Kevo Interview

Episode Date: October 19, 2019

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Let's get right into this content. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Today I'm in here with somebody that I've been fascinated with for many years, Bamman and Keva. How you doing, G? Pretty good. Yeah. Nice to have been here, man.

I remember the first time I ever heard about you was just academics doing videos about you getting caught up back in the day, like four or five years ago. Yeah. I really don't like academics. Oh, you don't? No. Let's get right into it. Yeah.

I don't like academics because I feel like the war on Shirek, he basically got the clout from our city and he doesn't really do too much for our city no more. It's like, it's almost like he, basically, every time he comes, it's always something negative on a rapper in our city, you feel me? Without like showing love back, really. I mean, the interesting thing with academics

is that now he does mostly like just big name rappers. But back then when he got started, he was like, that dude just really cover. and all this like street shit that nobody else was really like. Exactly. But how did you feel about that? Because on one hand, you're somebody who's like kind of brand new to the stardom

and he's helping to make you famous. But at the same time, it kind of feels like he's airing your shit out, right? It's like he put me on blast a little bit, like as far as like with the scamming. Which it wasn't nothing wrong with doing what he did. It's just the way he did it. You know what I mean?

Instead of posting like, okay, all this negative shit, what's up with the positive shit that we do, do for our community. Like as far as what I do for Chicago, other rappers do for Chicago, it's strictly negative, you know? So if somebody's outside looking in and never been in Chicago, they automatically look at the rappers as being negative. They don't

want to come to Chicago. You ask somebody about Chicago, they're going to say, oh, I don't want to go to Chicago. It's bad. Which really is good. I stay in the rich part. You feel me? So it's like, shit, it's good to me. Well, it's just interesting because, I mean, that was a very new thing, especially at that time, because they were basically, he was

taking people like you who really weren't that big of names. Like maybe you were popping on more of an underground Chicago level and you have YouTube videos going up and stuff like that. But then he was talking about the criminal exploits in a way that normally, you know, you're used to seeing people talk about the charges against big time rappers. Exactly. But it was kind of like a new thing. Like, oh, this rapper who just has more of an underground Chicago buzz and you're going to be doing multiple videos about them getting caught up for fraud and all that kind of shit. Yeah.

I mean, like I say, DJ academics, the shit he did. It was cool. Like it did give, it helped. I'm not going to lie. He did help me get to the next level as far as with my name building. But I just feel like the good stuff that we do in Chicago is not recognized enough. You know what I mean? As far as, but I mean, it's another story, though, you know?

I mean, it's kind of interesting because there's like a lot of, there's a lot of content that's just out there in the streets. There's a lot of people. Actually, you know what's interesting about that time period is that at that time period, it was more like you had some of like academics putting a bunch of random people on blast that didn't necessarily want their stuff out. there as much. But nowadays it feels like everybody just puts their own shit on blast, either putting their shit on Instagram stories and lives or they just go and do interviews with people and basically just air out all their criminal exploits. Or a lot of them, they're making a fake stories. Because if you really are a scammer and you really got caught by the FBI to be all over. You get what I'm saying? Because the paperwork will be, you won't have to really go

make up this and do this and post this because the news is going to post all that. Once you get a criminal complaint, it is all over the internet. Without even you have to necessarily. nothing. The press to say something because they want the story to be big because if you go to jail, they make money off you going to jail. Just like, I just came home in March. You know what I mean? How many years you do? I do two and a half years. I would have just did two years even probably if I wanted to get caught with the cell phone in a laptop. You feel me? And the laptop. Yeah. Basically when like me, by me being a big scammer, bro, it's, jail is nothing but this inside of a place where it's all gas. It's not what you think on TV or anything like.

that is strictly just like this, but it's all gas. You get what you want if you have a lot of money on the outside. You know what I mean? So you can send money here, send money there. Guards are bringing in whatever. Whatever you want, you're getting basically. But so when you're in jail and you have an iPhone and a laptop, do you have like some percentage of the guards who aren't cool and want to fuck you over and catch you with that shit? And then some percentage are like getting money off of you and shit, so they're cool? Or is it the kind of thing where just everybody doesn't really give a fuck as long as you're paying? No, you have some guards that's cool. You have some guards that's not cool.

So let's say if you got the cool guard that works from 10 to 4 and the bad guard that works from 4 to 9, you can't have your phone out from 4 to 9. You have to find somewhere to hide it or you pay somebody to hide the phone or the laptop. You know what I mean? Like $200 for the week or something. They always hide it from 4 to 9.

You know what I mean? Then we bring it back out at 10 and we be on it. You know, that's how you know, keep up what's going on in the real. Or if you're making money, you keep up what's going on whatever, you know? You think somebody like 6'9 got a phone in prison right now?

No. He's too high profile. See, that's the thing. If you're going to go to jail and you're going to do the crime, you cannot tell. You can't be a snitch. You can't be. I'm sorry because if you do that, everything gets stripped. The guards, they won't like you.

So inmates won't like. They look down on you for snitching as well. Yes. They are regular people, bro. And they ride more with the inmates. They listen to the inmates all the time. So if I need some tissue, I got to ask the guard. So we interact with everything.

Hey, I need a blank. I need some tissue. I need this. So they listen to what, like the, The snitches, they cannot sit in a TV room. You have to sit, you have to watch TV in a hallway with your chair outside and look at TV from the outside. Wow. You feel me?

But people are walking in and out, so you barely get to watch TV. Right. You cannot sit at certain tables. You can't sit close to the, like, where you get your food, you have to sit all the way in the back and get your food last. It's real. Most of the guards, black or white? What's the racial breakdown, roughly? It's mixed.

From the prison you were in. The prison I was in, it was, it was, uh, It was mostly whites. Okay. But it was Hispanics and blacks. And actually the Hispanic ones was more racist. Really? They were more like calling you,

now here it is and this. Like, yeah, it was that bad. You know what I mean? They was like, you won't be doing nothing wrong, but they'd say, tuck your shirt in and do this and do that. It was like that a little bit. You feel me? Interesting.

They're overpowered their authority. Right. Do you think that that's kind of because they might have been, used like let's be real on some street yeah probably because they knew who i was right and they're like oh i already had a lot of money and fuck you type shit so a lot of times the black dudes are the tougher dudes on the street so then when you get this dude in the position of authority maybe he wants to sort of take out some of his animosity yes and like when i got caught with the cell phone and uh laptop uh i went to the shoe and like i said i was like 23 hours one hour out the shower

that was twice a week tuesdays and thursdays so they make you go through the work You stop eating after 4 o'clock. You know what I'm saying? So could you imagine your dinner is at 4 o'clock and you got to wait all the way to 6 a.m. to eat? You know what I mean? And then y'all make me work. They make you work for 12 cent, 11 cent an hour. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, man, it's bad, bro. You feel me? So is it tempting when you're in that environment to just spend all the fucking money you got so that you're more comfortable when you're in prison? That's the whole goal. You might catch, okay. The feds ain't what you think. Everybody is in there is not rich. Everybody is, you have big scammers, you have little scammers, you have, just like you have an El Chapo, and you have the guys that work on the corner with the bags.

You got the big scammers that, like me, that can make millions, then you have the little scammers that can get on a dark web and just get little credit cards and get food and pay for Uber's and buy shoes and clothes. You got those types of- You guys all end up in the feds are together. Yes, but you know the restitution amount, and you know this. You could tell who's bawling by, I might have three guys and I might have my girl or whoever's. send money to this guy books, this guy books, this guy books. He don't go to the store. So he's going to go to the store for me. So my locker is his locker.

You get what I'm saying? So if I'm gambling in jail, I got a poker tail or whatever I get, this is my locker. Only, I'm gonna get your ass $20. You feel me? That's depending on how cool I am with you, I might give you $20 to hold that down because $20 a lot in jail. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like that.

It was very comfortable. Phones, you don't hold no phones. You only get them when you need to use them. In prison or in the feds, is it much more common for people to be in there for fraud type stuff than drug cases? You got the, okay, you have more scammers in jail than drug dealers because scamming is the new wave right now. That's what the cops want to catch? They want, right now, yes, because, okay, no, the cops want to catch drug dealers because drug dealers get more time. There's more violence associated with drug dealing, whereas the scammer don't have to kill anybody.

See, they feel like this. I can lock you up for 10 years, 20 years and make $100,000 to a million dollars off you. The scammer only get a few years, so he's pointless. Unless he runs, I was locked up with scammers that made $2, $400,000, and they only had 12 years. Wow. But the guy that had like 10 to 8 balls, he gets life, natural life.

Natural life, that's a million dollars. The government makes $35,000 off you a year. You feel me? And they file you on taxes. And they make you work. So you're working and they're getting paid for you. Right. You know what I mean?

So they're giving you $20. We are doing, I'm talking about $1,000. They're building jails, bro. The inmates are building jails. So could you imagine you have the inmate making them walls, putting the barbed wire fences up? Just to put somebody else like him in there. Exactly. Giving them tens of an hour.

Oof. So that's real life. You see the girl JT just got out. You feel? So you understand that what, like I understand what she's saying to her. music. So when she was talking about R&D, that's when you first get to prison. You know what I mean? You got to check in. They're going to make you put on a tin a suit with some blue shoes. She dropped the first day off her side and didn't hear you. Is she speaking on all that?

Yeah, yeah. I like it. I like it. Yeah. So she's a real one in your book. Because she's one of the few girls out there who did time for scamming. Yes, bro. That's, man, that scamming is the wave. That's how I came up, bro. You know what I'm saying? I came up crazy. Is that how it feels in Chicago these days is that you're kind of a bum if you're standing on the corner selling crack. But if you're the dude running around with a hell of credit cards and shit, and you got all the designer from that, you're the man. Yeah, so look, like, okay, it's like I was telling you, it's a few different types of scammers. The scammers really, like, if you're not a big drug dealer,

you ain't know shit. If you're not getting a lot of money, you're not, that's with anybody. You can even be a scammer. If you're not getting a lot of money, you are not a scammer to the Chicago at least. You know what I mean? You have to be bawling foreign cars like me.

Six-seven homes, $4,800 here, $6,400 here, $1,200 here, $1,200 here, $1,200 here, dollars here, you feel me? And most of the times the little cheap CPN cribs, those are trap cribs that I got six, seven people in with laptops on the dark web doing shit for me, you feel me? So it just depends on like what you

call scamming because, yeah, you might have your little runner, like some of these guys that's out here on the internet that call themselves scammers they are runners to me, bro. You feel me? I would have them going to Neiman's, go give me some free clothes and get their ass 20%. So talk to me about getting into scamming though before we get into like what eventually you might have built out of it and everything

talk about what your first your first play that you figured out was the first place i did was bank bank moves bank moves bank moves is you might have a banking account with no money in it i put five to ten to fifteen thousand dollars in that account we're not you're not at risk i'm not at risk the bank is at risk but i'ma tell you after we do this account just report your shit stolen you get what i'm saying we split the bread but But like I said, depending on our relationship, I might get your ass 2,000. I'm going to keep the rest. You feel me?

Right. But you eight, though. You eight is free bands, basically. So just now, on my level of scamming, I might have 10 people. Like you say you got, let's say if you said you have Bank of America, I'm not going to do your card unless you tell me you got 10 people. So I'm going to make you get 10 people and you're going to get all 10 people and you do the math. That's seven times 10. In one day.

You feel me? In one day. And you don't have to really In order to withdraw the money And to basically make it look As if the bank account was scammed But really it's you doing it What do you do to withdraw the money?

You just hit mad ATMs? No, no, no. Every ATM has a limit. So that's how you finesse. You don't go in a bank Because they don't want to be on camera. You cannot report the car stolen If you're on camera.

So let's say if it's Bank of America The ATM is 800. Okay, boom. You take out 800 out the ATM. You don't do it. You don't do it. You use one of these. You feel me?

You really pull up in that? Yeah, you're going to pull up in that anonymous or, you know, with the hoodie on and shit. So basically, my thing is, though, you have to check the daily debit limit. It's an ATM limit and a daily debit limit. Your daily debit limit is 10 racks. So what you're going to do is I don't do nothing without connections. Like, okay, if this lady works as a currency exchange, most likely I'm a get her. She's going to be my friend.

I'm a payer, do whatever. Now I can send you in there, hey, man, my homie fin to go in there and swipe for $7,000. Cash events. One swipe, 7,000. Right. 800 out the ATM. Never touched the bank. Yeah.

You feel me? But you don't just be no, just walking there random on some random shit and try to get the money. You're going to ask to get called. Only way I got called is because I got told on, you feel me? Oh, so you got sinister. I was really, I was setting my people up, bro, always to win. I didn't just walk in stores and did none sloppy. If you are nemes, it's because you are somebody.

I know that's in there and it's 100% going. If you're an Apple, I know I'm going to get 55. off you because you work there. You already know what's going on. So how would you go about making relationships with the people who work at the stores? Because that's got to be the ultimate plug right there. Everyone you meet who works at an Apple store is a fucking infinite fountain of money. And guess how much they're getting paid? $300 a week. So you ain't trying to take this $100,000 a month? What you're trying to do? So how you get those people is I was getting cars, Lamborghinis, all that type of shit. Now, you don't have to shoot straight at them.

Sometimes you got to build a relationship. You might pull up on them in a limb or something and like I catch a motherfucker at the gas station right you'll see them struggling they'd be like can they get five dollars on this pump whole time I'm already knowing who this person is and everything but you might put a couple thousand in their pocket you got the land they see the all all around vision of day life living like that too you feel me and long as they become comfortable then that's where you can make the play like yeah I can put you in a better position this and that this is like when you're watching the wire and they got stringer bell and he's got little kids in the project selling crack for him yeah it's real real

bro, it's real. You hear that dude, but you're dealing with Apple store employees. No, like, it's just like on a dark web. I wasn't never just a person to get on there and look for little cards and CVVs.

If I'm going to get on a dark web, I was trying to become the vendor. I was trying to finesse everybody who bought for me. Like, okay, for instance, if you're a vendor on a dark web, most likely you might have a thousand CVVs,

which is credit cards. Okay, boom. Now, I might sell $200 dollars credit cards might be good, and the rest of them fucking dead. 800 is dead but i just made like 90 000 you get it even if it's small amounts it's still add up quick but if you're vending on the dark web don't you depend on your reputation

yes if you want to but you can on a dark web bro you know okay you know where it says uh when you go to look at the reviews you know you can buy those oh okay so if you're a real scammer you would know this you'll know that man i'm at to shoot my reviews up i'm going to shoot this up have everybody buying for me and make $100,000 and close this account down. Why do you think every time you get on the dark web, the sites are study changing? I've never been on there. I've heard a lot of that. No, I'm not saying you.

I'm just saying when people do, sites always changing and stuff like that because of people do that. Just like this, all this shit is a scam. Like when you go to a hotel, bro, and you put your shit in there, hotels, companies and stuff like that, they sell your information to bigger companies like that. They call corporate companies, but the whole time they work with the dark web and shit. Right. Okay. So you basically like figured out some of these scams and then you just get a whole shitload of employees and they could all be carrying it out.

But isn't the problem that you're all doing all this shit within like a very small area or you send people out on trips? You don't do it in one area. You have to, you have to, okay. First of all, you have to deal with professional people. Which has got to be tough. It's very tough because they, when they get up to like the manager position and all that, they do not want to be playing. But like I said, bro, that everybody has. goals and dreams and they look at it like I just don't want to be the regular working person.

I don't want to be working anymore. So they think like, damn, I could actually start a business. I can actually do something. You know, I'm getting scammed. And you know what I'm saying? I'm working a job. I've been working here. I'm still not rich.

You feel me? That's how I thought. That's what made me get on what I was on. Who told on you? Basically, a person, actually a friend, bro, a friend that I used to hang out with. Once you start making money, people get envious of you, right? So like let's say if you had to meet with Let's say if you got 500,000

And I'm like 50,000 in And I pass you up And I'm still cool with you But I don't hang with you no more And you get jammed up Basically you don't tell me you get jammed up And I still fuck with you back and forth And then you too

I'm the bigger fish now If you, if they get into it with you Like oh man who you know That's a bigger person that's you can tell her Oh yeah Now they get to watching you paying attention to you and this and that and you get bumped. But if it wasn't for a, see,

that's the only way you can really get caught with the shit, a person telling on you. Really? Because you could be in on 60th floor with 10 fucking laptops making $20 million and wouldn't nobody know. But if you start involving people, that's when people to know what's going on. Because that's always like the dream is you want to be able to sell drugs

or do fraud or whatever, but not have to get anybody else involved. Selling drugs is dangerous. Selling drugs, like some people sell drugs because they want the street stamp. They want to be like, oh, I'm a street guy and this and that. But that's not really, where it's, okay, you're taking the risk. You got to sell drugs. You got to meet up with a random person.

Then you got to re-up. I don't have to do anything. I just got to basically get me a card with no money, no investment, and come up. I could be on the floor. Yeah, it's crazy because when you think about it, like drug dealers are basically getting drugs and they're changing it for money with fraud, the whole business is money. Man, you don't even, you can honestly not need anybody. You can sit in your, like I said, in your penthouse and not need nobody and run up $60 million.

Right. You feel me? So you don't know many people who have gotten caught actually doing the transactions or doing the ATM shit? No, no, no. I don't, I'm going to be honest. I don't know. I don't know nobody. I've been scamming since 2009.

I don't know nobody that have actually got caught doing. The only people that gets caught is the people that, that, okay, let's say if you scam a person and you don't pay them. they get pissed and tell on you I've seen people get caught like that but just don't the banks they don't care if you fuck them over because they feel like you need them banks feel like you need them

you know what I'm saying so they're like oh if you fuck up the account that's on you. Shit you need us you can't do shit without a banking account almost everybody that you ever did this with though do you feel like they didn't have a reputable damage under their credit

that they basically ended up getting the shit cleared out or do you think it does happen see with me all right well I'm gonna say Chicago we know so many people that fix credit that doesn't matter so if you do a bank they're just going to take the shit off you get a loan for a hundred thousand they're going to take it off insurance scams like Chicago we busing bro we doing it all you know what I'm saying right so it's basically like and really like I don't

it's a lot of scammers out here but I don't see it I have to I have to know if you're a real scammer by looking like oh the dude a real scammer bro how can you tell the income the clothes the how they live in what they drive and everything because scammers make a lot of money, bro. Right. You make so much money, it's hard to hide the wealth. You feel me? And then it being, like I said, you know, money brings connections.

It brings bigger, bigger and better things. You're just taking $2 million investing it in this and doing this and you're going in with shit with this. So you had official like real business investments going on? Yeah. Off of the, before you went into prison? Basically, yep. Really?

And are those things still around? Yeah, still around. Okay. Car business, real estate, everything. Right. I just link up with people and invest in this and that. I just turned into a big investor, you know what I'm saying? So you didn't get a shitload of money confiscated about the cops or whatever when you got a cop?

They took a few cars. They took like $400,000 cash, jury. Like, it took like $200,000 worth of jury. They took a lot of stuff, you know what I'm doing. But like I say, like I still, I was doing what I was doing. I was paying taxes. Right. So with certain things that you still can't take because I'm showing proof that I, you know what I'm saying?

That I was paying this because I was doing music. You feel? Right. So I was just paying taxes and stuff like that. And my credit was amazing. The government told me like, man, this guy's credit is way too high. You know what I mean? Like he can't.

So now I can't get credit. They was like, you can't get credit cards. He can't do this. He can't do that. You know what I'm saying? Were you rapping all along or did rap start because you were having so much success? I started rapping in 2013. Oh, okay.

You know what I'm saying? I was just like shit. I'm going to be like the first person that's because everybody looked down on scamming. You know what I'm up? I was like, man. Skammy, man. That shit. You heard, I don't know if you, have you ever heard Rick Ross song?

He was like credit card schemes for the faggots. You ever heard that? That's what? That really made me turn up when I heard that shit. But that used to really be the stereotype is that it was just gay dudes doing credit cards scams. I said, okay, I turned up on that shit. I'm like, I'm running these meals.

I'm like, I'm going to tell, I'm going to say, one day I'm going to look the man in his ass, G and tell his ass like, I remember you said a line, man. And I ain't never, I just ran it up off you on that, you know? Yeah. That's Rick Ross me in old school right there, man. Nobody wants to sell crack. more? No, no. I was like, I'm telling you, bro, everybody that I was just locked up with all had life. Like, as far as you got the scammers, then you got the drug dealers, man,

they was like, man, I wish I did what you did, little, little bro, and ooh, you know what I'm saying? Because I got the most money in here, and all the scammers had a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but I had the most. And the drug dealers, they was all fucked up, you know, they people weren't reaching back on them. Do you even know dudes on the street who are really rich off drugs these days or is the game kind of fucked up in that sense? No, I'm gonna say I don't really know too many

rich drug dealers. You know what I'm saying? I don't know no rich drug dealers. It's interesting because when I think about the drug dealers I know in L.A. are basically just dudes who go around to different studios or kick it with different rappers and just sell them fucking perks and lean and whatever the fuck it is. I don't really know no. I know people that are probably

do what I do and invest like I say, people will want to be the street, want to be the drug dealer so bad, they will do what I do, then invest in drugs, which is backwards because you still got to re-up. You might as well just stick to this lane. Right. You feel me?

But I don't, I guess that's what they want to do. But, you know what I'm saying? I wouldn't do that. Was getting all the credit card stuff, were you just doing that strictly off the dark web? No, I was having people at stores and shit with the MSRs and shit like that, you know is that where you put the little piece on the credit card reader so the thing at the end of the day they could have like a collection of thousands of numbers? Yeah.

So basically you walk inside of a, um, you walk inside of a, um, um, you know, you walk inside of a, um, um, Ruth Chris and you know you hand your card and they act like they're gonna go in the back and basically have double swipe it you feel me because them the high balance credit cards it's best to put them in business places not no McDonald's and all that shit right because you want the high-end shit right right bro and then like skimming you ever heard of ATM skimming is that where they have the little piece attached to the ATM shit that like we'll just throw your number and they have the camera that records you put in the pin in yes yes so you'll sit in the car you'll sit in the car you know what I mean like it's it be Bluetooth and you know what I'm

You'll collect all the data and stuff from it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's all types of shit. You know what I'm saying? It's all types. But when it comes to scamming, like, that's why I, like, I listen to scam rap, you know what I mean? But as far as I didn't rap about scam rap before I went in because I was hot, bro. You were way too too shit.

I'm really in the federal. I'm really on probation right now. You feel me? Like, I'm not playing like this is real. Like, I don't, I want to make up a story and say, yeah, I just got snatched by the feds. And no, I really got snatched by the feds. Feds. A hundred black trucks was outside. Real FBI

shit came, you know what I'm saying? Kick the door and get down and I'm like, damn. It seemed like fake. You know what I'm So you think T.J. is just hitting a lick with talking about the scam shit. You think that he's just kind of using his knowledge of shit he heard about and maybe he's done sort of like low level scamming type shit. Yeah.

I mean, like he's doing this thing, you know what I'm saying, as far as notoriety and people reckon out, but I don't really honestly think he a real scammer. You know what I'm I don't like I said I'm only paying attention to what I see like as far as the scammers that I hang out with and I know they are rich bro they are ballers you feel me like super rich like you wouldn't even believe you wouldn't even believe that they ever skimed right like that rich I feel like with TJ it's more like he's a young kid who is doing that sort of entry level scammer and

stuff that the kids actually are exactly he's 17 no it is you got to understand it is kids it's plenty kids at that level doing exactly what he's rapping and about right now. But notice they all are on the same level. They're doing a little, but you got to understand. It feels good to get a free 100, a free 200, a free 300. You know what I mean? That's still a lot of money to them

because they're like, shit, I could be working at McDonald's making $200 a week. So they might I'm a, I'm a scammer. You know what I'm saying? But I'm talking about real scamming. I'm talking on ATM jackpotting, bro, going up to the ATM wiping that whole motherfucker out. Right. You know what I'm saying? Tricking the system making it thinking $1 billion bills are coming

out and really $20 bills are coming out and you jackpotting that bitch for real you can do that how the hell you do that just man just knowing you know methods you know but basically it's serious out here you know what this scam and stuff just just like you can have you got a big ass chain and a watch and hit an insurance scam you can have a 20,000 credit card and say I can use your whole credit card and say man look we don't split it uh just report of stolen after I wipe it out right that's a scam you feel me it's plenty things that people doing to make money basically right it's actually the interesting thing because you were so hot at that time in terms of like having eyeballs on you and people snitching on you and all that kind of

shit you don't want to rap super in depth about the shit that's the funny thing about tj is that as far as i can tell he has never been arrested for scamming or if he has it didn't really go anywhere so he's kind of free to come out here no i've seen the post i actually seen the post and i was basically i commented i was like bro you should uh you should take the post down because um i don't think for if we're coming up and scam rapping You don't know it or not, but you're really on my team. Right. If you're a scammer.

If they talk about TJ 6, they're going to merge it with Ben Man Kevo. They're going to merge Ben Man Kevow and Money Man. They're going to merge all these scam rappers together. Right. So if you do anything foo, you will make everybody look foo. Right. You know what I'm saying? Which is not good at all.

You know what I mean? That's why I was like, oh, you should take this down because everybody knows if you get locked up. The shit going to be everywhere. You know what I'm going to be. He's fate's getting arrested multiple times. It's not really any. You can't deny it. I know, but let me ask you something.

Would you do that? I think that him doing it the first time when he had the marshals or whatever show up during the show. I thought that that was pretty clever and funny and that was one thing. But then when he did it again more recently, it's kind of like the same joke multiple times in a row. It's sort of become. You got to build. You have to build off. Keep going up.

You know what I mean? So he got to keep coming with better stunts, which is fine. But when I see him, though, I see my life. So what he's talking about is I like it because I've been through that. You know what I mean? But I'm on a bigger level. So I like it. You know what I mean?

It's just a rap. You know what I'm saying? I'd just be like basically just listen to him like, okay, cool. That's what's up. But then I just be like, man, you know? As far as like, I don't see, I want to see the rich shit. I want to see the real scamming the scammer. You know what I mean?

So when J.T. said she was fucking on a rich ass scamming ass. I'm that person. She's talking about it. You're like, that's me. I'm that. When I first heard the song, I'm like, damn, I wish I could on this song. That is me, bro.

When I heard that, I said, man, I know a lot of people were scamming and ain't none of them rich. But I've said that around people and multiple different people that told me like, oh, no, there's people out there making crazy ass amounts of money off that. Man. I try to give you different ones, the insurance, the credit cards, the skimmers. Like, their dark web becoming a vendor. Like, man, there's so much, you would be like, wow. Like, every day a person making the 30 to 50, every day. So talk about getting caught, though.

So this dude snitches on you, and then what? Do the feds start actually watching you? Yeah, okay. The fed's looking to me. They see, oh, he got all these cars. They paid cash. Right. That's one.

Now, if you didn't pay your taxes on the car, you paid cash, it's automatically you fucked. You feel me? So that was one strike against me. I paid for the Maserati cash. Boom. Then I had all these different cribs everywhere, like seven different cribs. You know what I mean? But they were all in like CPNs.

I don't know if you know what the CPN is. It's basically a second social, like a credit. profile number. Okay. So I had different socials under my name or whatever all over and just people just basically I caught a state. Okay, basically I went to Walmart the cash out $60,000 out in Vaporazzo, Indiana. When I went out there, I was at the money order machine too long.

I had like $40,000 on a car left, basically. So it's taken forever to come out. So the lady thought I was hacking an ATM machine. She called the police. When she called the police, I'm still trying to clean. my money. You feel them? I'm like, fuck it. Then I'm just like, no, they probably, they've been like 10 minutes. They probably on their way. When I walked out, I've seen it

full of squad cars, right? They walk right past me. I get in the car. I hit the road. Now, when I'm on the road heading back towards Chicago, they pull me over, but they didn't have no proper calls to stop me and I knew it. I'm like, man, they ain't going to find shit. I had like 30, 40 cars in the car.

But these are debit cards, not credit cards. This means that you have to pin and you can take the money off if it's available. Right. You feel? So, okay. Now, I got all these them money orders in the car. They stop me. They say, they up guns. They get out the car.

They didn't post it. Tell us to get out the car. We got out the car. They searched me. Now, they didn't search the car, which is weird. You might as well search a car if you illegally pulled me over. So they found one debit card in my back pocket. They tell me, man, listen, if this car come back, reported stolen or whatever, you're going to jail, I'm like, whatever.

You know what I'm saying? They couldn't lock me up because they couldn't do nothing. You feel me? They were just like, they let me go. A week later, I had $100,000. bond on me, boom, $10,000 bill out, bail right out, boom. Then, when I go back to court or whatever, they say, oh, they say, yeah, you know the FBI boys are on you.

I'm like, what? You feel me? I'm like, damn, the FBI. They was like, yeah, we don't got to worry about you no more or whatever. But whole time, y'all still got me going back and forth to court. So they're trying to slam me in the state, too. They're trying to give me 10, 20 years in the state. So I took that shit to trial.

Lord it beat it. Then he come to feds. You see what I'm saying? Right. So they try, which it happens. They give you 20, 30 years in the state and turn around after they give you the 20, 30 years in the state, give you 20, 30 years in the feds. Wow. Drug dealers.

Scammers, you might do two to five years in the state, two to five years in the fed. It's still 10 years. They still made like 250,000 off you. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's a scam. Just like college, scam. You know what I mean?

Yeah, bro. Like you, how would you make me go to school to get a job to pay you back? Why I'm working? Yeah. Ain't that's weird? I mean, and it's just the fact that you'd have to make so much money from those jobs. You have to basically make more money from those jobs than you could ever expect to actually be able to pay the shit out. I'm going to ask you a question.

Do you honestly know how many people that you went to school with actually went through with school and actually is successful, bro? I have no idea. I don't talk to anybody from high school. school but probably not a lot is that i don't know me i don't know any right and they were so geek that 21 22 23 you know what their whole your whole but guess what i bet i can guarantee you this i bet you they in debt oh yeah they in debt easy and that's the one dead that you can't get out of by filing bankruptcy too is that no see as a scammer we taking that shit off you know i oh really yeah credit bro we credit you sweeping everything off credit bro like anything bankruptcy all that

I actually have good credit now. I wish I knew about that when I stole that shit credit. Yeah, like scammers, bro, they know every, like coming up with credit. They're doing credit sweeps. Right. Even background cleaning. They taking shit. Long as it's not FBI shit, they're taking it off.

State, you can't, you pull me over? I don't got no background. So do you end up dealing, like, through this shit? Do you end up dealing with a lot of people from crazy-ass walks of life that you don't know, like, you know, like, you know, different, like, different ethnicities, different types of gangbangers and different types of hoodlums? Like, like, yeah, like, okay, like the feds. You're talking about as far as in jail?

In jail, but even before that, are you, like, sort of doing business with people from all different walks of life? For instance, most of the time, scammers, most of the time, scammers is, you deal with a lot of Africans. Why is it? I don't know. It's weird, but. It's kind of a cultural thing because it seems like there's just no opportunities in Africa. So they're the sort of ones who gravitate towards doing those fucking phones. Yeah, or the mail or checking.

So basically, I got into it with a lot of Africans and a lot of, um, Nigerians and like Chinese motherfuckers like hackers and shit like that you know what I'm saying I was fucking with them but they was low key trying to scam me you know what I'm saying

like on some see the dark web is full of rippers you know what a ripper is right a person that don't pay you you know what I'm like you might send them like man he'd be like oh I can flip $5,000 on this and you pay them and they rip you that means that they don't pay you basically you know what I'm saying so basically

it's like I dealt with a lot of them type of people where we do this ad f and Finescia. We had made like $800,000 a piece and we'll be talking shit like, yeah, we're going to make more money. But when it's a bigger play for a million or something, they fucking you on it. You're not getting the bread. You know what I'm saying? But they will grease you up and y'all both eat real good. Then they'll play you on a bigger end. Do you think that's just crazy when you see that happen? Because a lot of times it's somebody who could keep making money with you incrementally over time. And then they decide that they just want to hit one big lick and destroy the relationship. You know how I go, though. You know, they just feel like what I get, what my goal is, is half of this.

And I'm going to reach my goal that I always dreamed of right here with this bread. I'm about to do it. Not just fuck it off. You know what I'm saying? Most scammers, they own drugs, lean. That's why you do. That could be another reason why you don't see a lot of balling. They probably just so damn high and drunk and, you know what I'm saying?

Was that over you? No, I don't do no drugs or nothing. Okay. You don't smoke weed? No. Okay. And I'm on probation, you know, federal. But you were always like that, even when you're not.

you were at the idea of shit. No, I was always focused because, like, I'm in Chicago. You got to watch your peas. You know, you got to make sure I was dealing with so much money, bro. I might have $200,000 in this house. I might have like $600,000 in this house. And I was always paranoid. You know what I mean?

I ain't even trusted the little bitches I was with. You know what I mean? I'm always calling them every five seconds. Like, yeah, make sure this is, you know what I'm saying? I will hide my money in the house, bro, and make sure that, oh, you ain't been in that closet, have you, you know? For real. Like, I was like that.

So it was just, I just didn't really trust. I was always on my, I ain't want to be getting high and doing this and doing that. And the motherfucker put something in my weed. I felt like it was too, I need to make money, man. I'm like, it's too much money to make to be fumbling like that, you know? What were your actual goals at that time? Like, how did you see yourself getting out the game? Or did you even see that?

Music, bro. Okay. Music. That's how I said. I felt like, man, I put a few million in this shit and really just give me a whole lot of artists and just really turn up and, you know what I'm saying? Change the real, bro. You know, like create different music.

I just found out like when I got out, I heard Lil Yaddy used to be a scammer. Yeah, you got arrested right before he popped. Yeah, so that just tells you, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit real, bro. Like, so I was just like, damn, okay, I'm gonna get on this shit. I'm gonna turn this music up with the scam shit. Right.

I'm taking a whole other level. I was even trying to put together like a little scamming tour. Like, that's why I was saying, like, I don't got no problem with TJ 6 or whatever, but it's just, I just feel like if he going to do something, just do it the right way, you feel, me, as far as on a scam for everybody. Speaking on the scammers.

I would like to see you two have a conversation on camera. Or off camera, just on some homie shit. It would be interesting to see you guys build. I want to see. I want to see, I want to see, because I'm going to be at a read him and know. I'm going to be at her instantly read him and know like, yeah, this is dude a scammer. You feel me? Because it's natural.

It's in you. Right. Everything I'll tell you about, you should know it. Right. Does there anybody else in the game that you believe has actually got a track record in terms of the scamming thing? More well-known people and shit? No, I wouldn't

I can't, because most of the people I thought probably was scamming. I feel like people do a little scamming. Maybe, look, but they don't claim it. How TJ Six is claiming it. So I say he's a scammer like me, you feel me? Like, so, I mean, I don't see here. Like I said, I just got out too though.

But I do listen to Money Man. He'd be talking that shit too. Right. Shout Money Man. He's supposed to come on soon too. Yes, sir. Yeah. How did you become friends with him? You guys are working together, huh?

Man, basically, you know, I was, when I was locked up, I was, like, fucking with Instagram a lot on my cell phone and the laptop and shit. And I was, all the scammers in jail and the feds was talking about money, man. You feel me? That was the only rapper they was talking about, all the scammers. He got the feds for the scam shit, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, man, I got to get into it, bro. So when I got out, you know what I'm saying? I reached out to him and we, it was cool since, you know what's up?

So you get locked up, and when you got caught, is there any, like, every time I ever got caught off, doing anything. I always been like, God, I got to change my life. I can't believe it. I finally got busted. I got to change. I got to switch my whole shit up. Was that your mentality when you got caught? And like, what's going through your mentality when you're in jail? When I got called, though, because it wasn't like what I thought. Like, I'm like, damn, okay, I just got called for fraud. I went to the county. And it was almost like a party. It was almost like a club. Like, because it was all, you got to understand, it's all guys that know you that's fans. So they're like, Oh, bro, you was just on the news and woo and this and that.

So it was like, damn, you kind of feel a little bit more like cockier a little bit, you know? It wasn't like what you think. Like, then I go to the feds and I'm a superstar and that motherfucker. It was like, wow, you know what I'm saying? Like everybody knew me. I got everything for free. I got everything I wanted. It was just cracking, bro, you know?

So you're not really miserable in jail. You're making the best of it? Yeah, you're not. You only want to come home. Everything else you have. I got pussy in jail. You know, shout out to my. girl she did hell me down she held she held she held me down like what's that like you do a conjugal visit

you pay somebody to give you a little time okay look at the first time i got locked up i was at mcc which is downtown chicago you can't do shit in there it's all gas they had little stripper holes that we pay every week friday saturday and sunday to come to the roof and shake ass and you know whole yeah just hold up signs like band man kev and you know what i tell they about man go to the roof yo motherfugger's be at the roof they'd be like damn man kev got the holes up here you're this weekend. So then when I got shipped, I went to a camp. When I went to a camp, a camp is a jail with no fence. Could you imagine that? A jail with no fence with a hotel across the street. So you know I was running every week. I had my girl up there every Friday, boy, Friday,

Saturday and Sunday. You got to be here. I'm not going to be with you. So you would be able to dip out of the jail and go to the hotel? If I got caught, I got caught. But I didn't get called for that. I got caught for myself on a laptop. Right. But how do you not get caught when you're leaving a prison to go fucking a hotel? A prison has count. So you let us do anything. Count is at 12.

Count is at 4. Count is at 9. 30. Right. So from 4 to 9.30, you could be on a track. Right. So you have your homies who we, I'm feeding y'all every day. Y'all can at least watch me go get some pussy and come back.

Right. So basically I have my girl. I'm on my cell phone. Where are you at? I'm like 20, 30 minutes away. All right, cool. She at the room. I see her car.

I run over there. The hotel man, I already know what's going on and everything. He don't care. He don't make no money. You only making money off the prisoners.

You feel me? So he's dying for that little $40. Right. So basically my girl, she up there. I hit her for about two hours. I'll run back on the compound. I'm good. But I bring them back squares,

liquor. Niggas ain't just out there for free. They want something. Bring me some old skittles back. Because, you know, some candies we didn't have, certain chips. we didn't have certain drinks we didn't have.

But in terms of the actual walking out of the prison, is that they're not looking that closely? It's a prison, it's a prison, and it's a track around a prison. Then it's like a field about, it takes 20 seconds. The hotel room was literally this close, bro, to the jail. It was almost like it was unreal.

Wow. You know what I'm saying? So you can actually hop in a car, go to Walmart. As long as she have a change of clothes for you in the car, y'all go to Walmart, you can damn to go to a movies. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

Like some people was doing that. Some people were actually getting caught. But guess how you got caught? An inmate in jail that's bitter. You didn't bring his liquor back? He might tell on your ass. So you might want to bring his liquor back in the cigarettes and his chew. You know what I'm saying?

Because that's how they bribe you. Man, oh, you're leaving that what time for? I'm going to watch the track. I'm going to look out for you. Now, if they say the guards walking on the track or they do an emergency count, then you got to get out the pussy and come back. And hurry up and get back in the building. Or are you going to get escaped?

You catch an escape. I was going to do another year. But me, I was tweeting. I had the damn phone on me while I was coming back from the hotel when they did an emergency count and they searched me. And then once you get locked up, well, once you go to the shoe, basically, people really start trying to be snitches, basically. Oh, he got some laptop right here and he has some workout shit right here.

And he, you know what I'm saying? So that's crazy. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about a case of my, my homie, it just caught like 10 years. Ralphie the plug. He was just doing some regular ass scamming shit in Neemans, but then they ended up doing a gang case against his whole squad. And then they basically say that that credit

card shit that he was doing was for the benefit of the gang. And there's, you know, there was a murder that they're trying to say is associated with the gang, blah, blah, blah. So now all of a sudden this fool, who's a dope-ass rapper, great guy, he's doing 10 years off of just doing some little purchase.

A conspiracy. Crazy. See, this is what it is. They probably hated him so much. that they tied him into other things. But like I said, this is why I don't fuck with the credit cards. That's why I wouldn't swipe. That's why you have runners. You have runners because if you get caught during a credit card swipe,

they will hit you with, if it's a conspiracy, you really fuck. But conspiracy, identity fraud, Fortry, and bank fraud. Wow. You get three charges in one. Why would I do that just to go for some clothes when I can just get hit with bank fraud and make 50 to $100,000 in one play? But when somebody who's running.

for you who's doing purchases for you when they get caught what is the motivation for them to not snitch when they're going to get totally fucked i mean i only thing i can say is some money you feel me right because it's just like okay well you take me down i can just pay you you know what i'm saying and you be straight i mean because you're still going to jail the feds you could tell you think six nine come on honestly i have no idea he's not coming home you don't believe it no he's not coming home because even if you tell you're still people that told on me told on me told a lot of people in Chicago. He still went to jail, bro, for five years, six years.

Really? They don't care. They want you to snitch and fuck your whole reputation up and you go to jail and I go through hell in jail. Because he's done all this snitching, but there's no promise that he's going to get out before Christmas. He's not getting out, man. He's not. All those are fake stories and lies.

He's not coming home. I'm telling you. Only way that you can come home from the fed is if you tell on the body. That's the only way you can come home. All his little knick-knack telling and all that. He's wasting this time. A bunch of shootings, but there's no murders. Yeah.

They want to know about the murder. They want to find a body. It's life for life. If 6-9 actually is in jail for the next however many, three years, whatever, and he did all that snitching. This is what I'm saying. No, no, no. He's not, see, he's saved, bro.

You got the, they call it in jail the cheese factory. Okay. What's that mean? For rats, all rats. They be in a cheese factory. All the people that told. And then you have the regular population. He's over there with them with.

also people that like guys if they do like a breast you know thing and change their whole sex they'd be a super weirdos over there you know what I mean so he ain't nobody gonna do anything over there they're scared for their life so you're saying because I was wondering about that he's in PCs is he just chilling with mad trans people and all this other shit that's it bro and it's a big ass he probably in a big ass dorm and everybody's just nervous and the guards don't like them and that's it that's about it but when you go on regular population he he would have been fucked he would have probably getting raised he would have been and all types of shit, you know what I'm saying? I can say he probably was going to be at a medium or a max. You know what I'm saying? And it was going to hit people his age, 20 something, and they turned. They don't got nothing to look forward to, bro. But shit, I'm trying to stab something. You couldn't handle being in PC.

Hell, no. PC? No, sir. Yeah. No. That's weird. Listen, I ain't even going to lie to you, bro. I will rather not even tell.

Why would you tell for what? You're making your time hard. Right. You're not, they're lying to you, bro. They're going to say, oh, man. we're going to give you this. They're not giving you shit off. They're going to solve their case and they're going to smile and laugh.

They're going to clap their hands like they just hit a lick. What's your thoughts on the way that the Nantreys clicked up with 6'9 and ended up basically fucking over their entire operation? Like when you look at that, is that the kind of thing that you maybe been in a position where you've seen some young artists who maybe could use the clout of being associated with more valid street dudes, but you resisted the temptation because you knew that that was a stupid-ass move in the long run? Me, I'm going to be honest to you as far as me

coming up, I stayed away from I don't game bang, you feel me? I stayed away from like the gangs and stuff like that because I knew I was going to be a millionaire. You know what I mean? And by me being a millionaire and not evolving, I was seeing people get locked up left to right in Chicago for

just being around certain people, so I just stayed to myself a lot. You know what I'm saying? And just try to run up bags, basically. That was my main goal. Like, if I'm going to go to jail, it's going to got to be for some money. That's kind of rare, though. usually in Chicago people are BD, D, D, D, whatever, right? See, that's, that's, I guess that's just how they, how they want to do, you know, I'm, I was into money.

I was always into money. I've been here money before all of them rappers that came out of Chicago, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was watching them grow like, damn, they're doing their thing, but why they were growing, I was fighting a case. State D.N. Feds. So you felt like your career got put on hold. Yeah, it was on hold, yeah. As far as being a rapper.

Yeah. And I, I congratulate myself, bro, because while fighting my case, state. in Fed, I was still pushing my music. I was still paying for this, doing this, doing that. Still, trying to stay positive, knowing I was going to jail because I knew I would beat the state, but I knew I'm going to beat the feds.

Because the state goes off relationships and with the lawyer, you might get a good lawyer, you probably pay him $20,000 in that area. He might know, he might went to school with everybody. But the feds is a finesse. They're working with the state attorney, this, that, you know what I'm saying? It's a finesse. All of his faith. You might get their ass 100,000.

You waste your money. You're still going to jail. Damn, that's crazy. So you're sitting in jail. Are you thinking I'm going to get home and keep my nose clean because I really feel like I can do this music shit? I want to stay away from all the scheming stuff. Basically, as far as when I came home, bro, I was just like, man, I'm going to come home

and all types of people going to fuck with me. I'm going to do this and do that. And money just get to start coming in for me. As far as like with people, like connections. And like I said, I got real estate. I do Lamborghini rentals and stuff like that. So I might run up $50, $60,000 a month. I just got real smarter with the shit, you know what I'm saying?

I just started getting into the Airbnb rentals and stuff like that just to really run it up the legit way. Because at the end of the day, I mean, yeah, this gaming thing is dope, but there's a lot of risk. And at the end of the day, that risk means that like every dollar you make is not really a dollar because at the end of the day, once you got to fight a case or you get locked up for a couple of years, etc. That dollar is weakened to heaven. You don't have to spend all that or close to all that. And you're going to be stressed out, though. You know what I'm saying? The stress.

Like, because it's still a couple of years. fact in my life, I caught that shit. I caught the Fed case in 14 and it's about to be 20. And then I caught the state case in 13. So, I mean, look how much it's been in my life. Right. You know what I'm saying? And still had to go to jail for time, had to work for 10 cent. You know what I'm saying? So people really just got to think about what they do. I feel like if you're going to get money, if you're going to do criminal activities, you should at least try to invest some money into stuff. Yeah. Not just fuck it off on drugs or doing this and doing that. Just really put your foot down on investing. Get some real estate. Get some real estate. Get some real estate. rental cars, get some rental property, something. Right.

You know what I mean? To generate income every month. I mean, there's a lot of great American stories all the way from like, you know, the Kennedy family to the Jay Z storyline of motherfuckers. I want to be like, that's, man, I want to be like Jay, bro. Diddy? You know what I'm saying? I want to be top.

That's basically what I'm trying to be like, bro. I'm trying to get up. That's interesting because you seem like you have a way different mentality than the average dude who's hustling, you know? Like you just were too good for the circumstances that you were in almost. Yeah. I was just trying to get. basically, bro, you know, and trying to invest in the right things, basically, you know?

How much you see the streets changed from when you were in, when you were out on the streets, and then you go into jail and you get out? Like, what are the main things that stood out to you? Like, damn, this is different. I guess you were on your phone and shit, so it probably was less shocking. I was so in tune with my, with my phones. But I was just seeing, I see a lot of, I see a lot of younger artists like blowing every second, you know what I mean? And I see like, I see like deal money is not like how it used to be. Like, I see everybody deal. deal money getting lower and lower. Like, I see kids getting the money.

And then, like, labels are targeting kids, basically, I think. Because they'll be crazy, happy with $50,000. Then they know that they're not going to be smart. They'll go buy a chain or something. But it's also that the young-ass kids are the ones who are really like, like, if you blow up and you've gained hundreds of millions of views on a video, chances are that you've made a song that appears to young kids. Exactly.

Yeah, that too. When you're a little pump and you make Gucci Gang, that's a song that a four-year-old can sing, as well as like a 20-something-year-old could sing in the club, that's like the ultimate immarkability. But you know what's weird is that I felt like the height of motherfuckers getting crazy deals and garbage-ass artists and getting million dollars advances and shit,

that was 2017. Now shit has chilled out a little bit where they're realizing like, oh, just because you got green hair and face tattoos doesn't mean you're going to blow up. Exactly, exactly. I've seen that. I was shot.

I watched it, bro. I'm like, damn, they got a Sprite contract. They got a kickout contract. Damn, they watch it. Watching millions come in on artists, it's like, damn, okay, it's real out here. That was my whole goal, like to do what I did to get to that point. You know what I mean? Because it's like, ain't no way out really in Chicago, bro.

It's like, anytime you can name a handful of artists, that's bad, bro. But talk about Atlanta, it's millions of artists that's coming out of Atlanta, you know. But Chicago, man, it's sad, bro. You have to blow somewhere else to be big in Chicago. Right. They're not going to like you first. in Chicago. You got good relationships with, like, Sosa and all the other Chicago big names?

I did a song with Sosa. Okay. I'm cool with everybody, yeah. That's what's up. Yeah. Yeah, what about, is it crazy to watch the juice world thing go down? Like, he's like the biggest, like Chicago artist in recent years. I didn't, like I said, I just got out of March.

So when I heard about him, I'm just like, damn, he turned. He's doing this thing. You know what I'm saying? The wild shit about that, too, is just that Bibby and Herbo are, like, signed him and working with him and shit that they, like, they're smart as fuck. Yeah, they put no one for Chicago. Yeah. They definitely put it on.

That's dope. So do you feel like you still haven't even really got into the swing of things in terms of like getting to the music? Because you ain't put out any video since you got out, right? We dropped in tour browser tomorrow. Tomorrow, okay, because I seen the audio was up. Yeah, we dropping tour browser tomorrow. And like I said, I think a lot of fans going to like that song because I'm really talking

that scam talking that song. You know, my life, you feel me? So it's basically, then we're just going to go from there. But I was basically focused on, like I said, I got probation. I got a life. You know, my girl, she's preempt. She's going to have a baby in January. I saw that you guys got your channel together and shit.

Yeah, so we're trying to get everything going, you know, just up and running because, you know, just got out basically. Man, get yourself a man who could do it all, a man who's got some bins and can make a YouTube blog about your baby. That's fire right there. Yeah, I'm trying to just turn up, bro. I respect that. Yes, sir. That's crazy, man. Yeah, so the music's in the works.

Have you been in the studio a lot? Are you really, like, getting to it in a way you haven't before? Yeah, we got like probably about 70 songs. right now. Basically, we're just trying to shoot video after video after video basically. You know, while maintaining girl, probation, this, that, you know what I'm saying?

I'm just making it look easy, but it's hard though, bro. You know how it is. When you're just getting out the federal system, it's not easy. And you still got the same girl from before you went in. Yeah, that was rare. Man, what? She was going crazy for me, bro. Did you know before you went in that she was going to be the type of girl that will hold you down? See, you don't know. You don't know nothing. You're just going in, just hoping and praying like, damn. my whole she beat her, you know what I'm saying?

But you just don't know. But it turned out good, so. I'm surprised you weren't that dude who had some, like, fat white girl on the outside and you got to send you cakes and shit. It's funny, though, because when I was locked up, the whole visitor room, yes. The whole business of room. Like, you got a phone? It's a site called plenty of fish.

So they take pictures on the yard. They take pictures on the yard and they clothes and shit. And they put it on plenty of fish and they have somebody up there the next week. Big as hell, bro. Sending them $3, $400 a week. I'm like, damn, that shit. And these girls fall in love with the guys in jail, bro. They don't know them, never, touched them, never.

And then they get right out. And they're like, and they're gone. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like, wow. That's just so funny because we laugh about, like, the Nigerian, like, love scam emails. But then dudes in jail who have no other option basically end up doing the exact same thing. Yes, bro.

You had a, it was so many hustles in jail. Like, as far as you could be a store man where this bottle of water is a dollar at the store. But if you want it for me, you got to give me five. You know what I'm saying? If you want it right now So that's a store man He just got a locker full of shit That he's just selling

And tripling his money You feel me? It's just a lot of little shit That was going on in jail Poker tables Making like 20, 30,000 a week Were you into working out before jail? Hell no, I was fat as hell

284 I was big bro Then I got the jail And I seen everybody ripped And like man I might have to get into a fight Or something shit I might

I'll just start working out Every day all day Bro like every day I can't miss a day I sent you with the muscle milk This morning I knew it was real. Yeah.

I was like, man, I got to just, I matter of fact, I ain't, matter of fact, I ain't work out in two days since I've been in. It's addictive once you get into it, though, right? I'll be missing. I'm like, damn, I can't wait to go work out. Yeah. So. Kids at home need to know that.

Stop sitting here. I was drinking lean, getting the gym. Yeah, the gym. That's the way, bro. What's your max bench? 315. Ooh, nice. I got to hit that.

265. Yeah, I'm trying to get it right. I'm trying to get it up. All right. So for the people out there, what do you want to tell them to check out? in terms of like shit that you have out right now, what you've been doing on social media, all that. Basically, my social media is bandman underscore K-E-V-O.

My tour browser dropped tomorrow, so be looking out for that at 3 o'clock. Eastern time, right? Three o'clock? New York or Cali time? That's New York time. It'll be out tomorrow. Yeah.

So I want everybody to check that out, comment, subscribe to my YouTube channel. You feel me? Twitter, band-man, Kevo. Facts. Man, you're a great conversationalist. You got to come on again, man. Next time you're out here.

I got a lot to teach you, man, you know? For real. But this is my hacking man I was telling you about I'd be using when I be scamming, motherfuckers. I like that. You need like an army of motherfuckers wearing those behind you in your videos and shit. Yeah, that's all I was telling him. I'm like, man, I got to do that. I got to have on this man.

This is an ATM match you pull up in your guitars, you feel, and go crazy. You can rob a bank with that, too, if you get thirsty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, Band Man, Kev, I appreciate you, bro. It's dope having you on. Yeah.

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