No Jumper - The Benny the Butcher and Conway the Machine Interview

Episode Date: August 6, 2019

Benny the Butcher and Conway the Machine came through the studio to give their insights on the rap game, growing up in Buffalo, New York, and much more! Enjoy. --- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, no jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm in here with Conway and Benny the butcher. How to fuck y'all guys doing? What's going on with you, my boy? Feeling good, man. Excited to have you guys in here. I'm going to be honest.

Always knew you guys were from Buffalo and was always very intrigued by that, but never really like took the time to get super deep with the music until the past few days. And I'm crazy impressed. It's actually fucking really wild. What the hell you guys are doing? Dope. I see you tag me.

I'm like, okay, he's doing his research. And I was getting my haircuts slash beard trimmed in my, my office while smoking and listening to your shit and I was just thinking I'm like I feel like Benny would appreciate this moment that I'm having right now. I wrote shit. I did. You see I reposted it. Much love.

I appreciate that. Yeah, because I was always up upstate New York and shit when I was on back in the DMX days. We would always be going up there and it's like I remember multiple different times that I was in Buffalo or Rochester where we would just sort of be like riding a rail or whatever that was like really in the hood and then I would realize because I was living in Brooklyn at the time. I would realize like, damn like this shit is definitely like. Upstate is definitely like a weird sort of like colony of New York City where a lot of the similarities to the types of dudes that are there, but then at the same times there's a lot of cultural differences too.

Right. I agree. How do you remember, like, how would you identify that? When you look at like dudes in Brooklyn versus the types of dudes that you guys are and the types of dudes that y'all grew up around and shit, what comes to mind as like the primary differences? To me, first, the way we talk, you know what I'm saying? The main thing, the way we talk. And what else? What else?

I really don't know, you know what I'm saying? You know, in the attitude of the niggas, you know what I'm saying? The attitude of the niggas, but it's kind of like you describe it. It's like a weird colony type of thing because Buffalo, no mistake. Buffalo, New York is New York. You know what I'm saying? Because the way we dress, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

The way, our swag, just everything. But it's different. I try to tell people, Buffalo was western New York. You know what I'm saying? So it's six hours away from the city. Yeah. I'm saying? From the boroughs, we six hours away.

So it's going to be differences, you know what I'm saying? We really are. As people can see from the rap, we really are own, you know what I'm saying, type of shit. We really our own got our own slang and shit like that. But it's different because New York City is like crazy fast-paced. When I think about Buffalo, it's, there's just straight up like a level of poverty. and like economic destruction

that would be hard for anybody in New York City to imagine. Right. That's a fact. That's a fact. And it's, you know, it's smaller, too. You know what I'm saying? It's a smaller city than, like, the New York City.

So, like, when shit be happening in the niggas, you know what I'm saying? It hurt more. It affect the city more. Like, you know who happened to or you know who did it, you know what I'm saying? Like, if a nigger get killed, somebody go to jail, you know, a fast,

you went to school with them or something shit, right? with them you you you grew up with them you know what I'm saying you do you did something with them you know them in some way or shape or form so that's how I think you know what I mean like Buffalo is different yeah yeah city because your city so big you know what I'm saying yeah and it's like hella cut-throat like you got to be moving so fast I think about it like this like okay boom the east side of Buffalo is really like the other streets with it with the black neighborhood so the east side of Buffalo you know I'm saying

And that's where the bullshit going on at. Now, let's say if it's a murder every week, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's more. If it's a murder every week, like you're looking around and it's like, you don't know who is going to be next week. And I'm saying? Like I said, it's one part of town. And like you said, it's like real close net. So it was just like somebody not going to be here by the end of the summer.

But it's that type of shit. The thing that I'm fascinated by with you guys is that you guys are super real street dudes, but then you ended up rapping over. a very, very specific sort of aesthetic backdrop that I don't really, I mean, I have a hard time thinking about anybody who sounds more New York from New York City than you guys, at least on the level that you guys are rapping at in terms of having the fan base of you guys having everything. So that is just the fascinating part to me is that you guys are kind of like keeping it more,

I don't want to say pure because I feel like it's sort of like a simplistic explanation of how you guys deliver your shit to just say like, oh yeah, it's like 90s, right? It was like old school shit. You know, like that annoys me when I hear people describe you guys that way. Because I feel like that's too reductive of explanation. I found out a lot of people don't know what to describe it as. As familiar as it may sound, the music may sound. A lot of people don't know what to call it.

You know what I'm saying? I heard a lot of people give it different names. But I think it's just, you know, we know what we good at. I'm saying? We know what we good at. And we built a formula around what we good at. So I think by it being three of us, and sticking to a formula and with Daringer Alchemist producing.

I think, you know what I'm saying? And the stories that we tell them real official stories, I feel like it was just, it was just on. I mean, it was magic in a bottle. It was just however happened, you know what I'm saying? It took the world by storm. But do you feel, like, did you kind of get on their wave? Like, because you guys were doing music first, right?

Well, I mean, we all was doing, I mean, you could say that in a sense, like growing up together, you know what I mean? Because I'm a little older. I mean, and Wes, a little older than Benny. And pretty much all came in this shit doing that music together. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So, like, you know what I mean?

It was just a sound that, you know what I mean? Really, I got to get a credit to, like, just Daringer on West Side. Like, Westside found Daringer. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't know Daring. He was local? Yeah, he's from Buffalo, too. He's from North Buffalo.

He's from, you know. He's from North Buffalo. Most people don't even end up rapping with people that are. Yeah, okay. So what I'm saying? So he got the other side. Right. So it's like he found damaging, you know what I'm saying?

Like reached out to him when he came home from the feds, you know what I mean? He reached out to him and got some beats and shit, and that's how he, you know what I mean, start working on like the Hitler 2. Yeah, I did the Hitler 1, but, you know what I mean? Like, and when I heard what they was doing, like Westside, like a particular kind of beat, you know what I'm saying? And when they heard what they was doing, I knew that shit fitted my style, a little perfect because, you know, after what I went through, what I went through getting shot.

I needed to kind of slow the beats down a little. You know what I'm saying? So them shit was spooky and grimy, and them shit was perfect for me. But that shit, in the meantime, like, created our sound, our identity and separated us from, like, you said, like, you know what I mean, rest of the other artists from New York or East Coast music.

We had a sound that was just unique. Even though it sounded familiar and felt like some shit you felt in the 90s or whatever, the golden era and all that, it was fresh, just unique. on me. A lot of dudes who might end up rapping over similar production are not, they don't necessarily come

off as like real street dudes that can talk about the kind of stuff that you guys talk about, or at least they're not doing it as convincingly. Like, you know, the last person I could think of that blew up of having more of like an old school style is action in a lot of ways. You know, in the sense that I feel like you guys

probably look at actions music and fuck with his style. I heard Mayhem Laurent on the new project and all that shit. But, I'm my family, the mom. Yeah, yeah. Does that, like,

I don't know, like, that's almost like a rarity these days to even have, to be sort of younger dudes who are coming out who have, like, a real reverence for the older stuff.

A lot of people now, it feels like they just, they don't, there's no indication that they have any, like, knowledge or, like, hip-hop history. Because it's real,

because it's real trendy. You know what I'm saying? The game is real trendy right now. And that's what everybody doing, but I always say this, right? All the top niggas in the game with all,

the longevity are rappers. People who rap rhyme syllables. People to this day who will go get a primo beat. No matter how big they are, people to this day who won't get a P-Rock beat, people to this day who won't go get an alchemist beat. You know what I'm saying? These artists

work with them. And when I'm saying this, I'm talking about from Kendrick to Cole to Drake, whoever you want to consider the top lyricists, our niggas is rappers. You could say, niggas got some backpack in them. You know what I'm saying? We all agree with that.

So I'm saying, though, everybody like that. They were students. Exactly. Everybody like the-students of the culture. Everybody act like this. The lyrics don't matter no more, but that's impossible. You just got to look at, you just got to look at the facts for what they are. All the top niggas are rappers.

I know what I'm saying? I feel like, I feel like that's because, like, a lot of, like, artists now, you know, this shit is right now. It's like a lot of artists can really do their shit to, they sell. So it was like, niggas is hustlers. There's more hustlers than it is. Like, like, rap, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Niggas are just like smart. Niggas got an OG or a big homie behind him that got the bag, putting it up, making him look how he posed to look. He got a vibe. That's why a lot of this shit sound the way it sound. These niggas just vibing. These niggas finding a lane and eat. You know what I mean?

So it's like, we ain't mad at that either. Like, like I said, when you asked me when I walked in, who I'm listening to, like, I'm on that baby and gunner. You know what I mean? I'm on that Polo G. I'm on shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, I ain't mad at that.

These niggas found them a lane, found them away. You know what I mean? They do it how they do it. That shit is dope to me. You know what I'm saying? But like Benny said, you got them rappers. Them of the niggas who'll be around the 10, 20, 30 years. Right, right.

You know, making the timeless music because them niggas invested so much in their craft and their students of the culture. But what motivates you to actually get in the studio? Is it hearing some shit like Gunner or a baby that don't really sound them? much like what you're doing or do you like listen to old mob deep or you listen to elmatic or some shit like does that get you in the state of mind well it's different for me because i've been like

doing this shit kind of for a while and chasing this shit so my approach is i try to keep my same energy and my same passion so like that was the shit that inspired me to be on like man come like prodigy and them coming like ho over them niggas and i'm niggas and all that so that was always my approach so i try to keep that the same but like you know You know, like I said, man, this shit is, this shit is a, you know, a thinking man's game, man. It's so easy for you to get a bag out of this shit if you just figure out the angles, man, that work for you. So it's like, I ain't mad at, you know what I mean? The guys who, that's what they do, you know what I mean?

Like, they figured out a way to exist in this blood sport we call hip-hop. I mean, I love it personally. How much of it, though, is the, like, could you, do you feel like you could you feel like you could get on one of them types of beats and sound. Oh, absolutely. You do. You would get, because I don't think I ever heard y'all rap or were in Italy.

Nobody never, listen. I said this in the interview before. This nigger right here, you know what I'm saying? Could do anything, have done everything. Same thing with me. We didn't, like, we've been around for a while, what I'm saying, like underground, and then got like, big club record, you know what I'm saying,

shit like that, that the whole time was playing. Ten years old, you would go to the club in Buffalo, they'd play it right now. You know what I'm saying? You go up to stay day and play it right now. We got records like that. I got some new shit with Rick Hyatt, I had to produce on my own own. Look what I became the project.

I'm about to drop. See, people don't understand that. That's taking them there, you know what I'm saying? It's easier to rap like that, actually. You for what I'm saying? Oh, hell yeah. It's easier to rap like that. And the shit that we do, see, what's important to me is the respect of my peers.

And I'm saying, you'd be in a room with these niggas with these legends. These legends. Yeah. And the niggas invite you in their circles and they tell you, they listen to you, your shit, they fuck with your shit. They don't do that for everybody. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's different trophies and different milestones in the game and other rappers got different milestones, but they had never be able to rub shoulders and stand shoulder to shoulder with a legend and a nigger who put in pain acknowledged you as an artist, as a lyricist. That's big for what we do. You know what I'm saying?

You guys seem like you're like 100% on that. Because, I mean, when you look at the number of rappers that have acknowledged you guys, or at least like genuinely fuck with you, it's actually kind of crazy. It's like literally the biggest people in rap, most respected legends in the game. And then also I'm looking at you guys as interviews and shit.

It seems like I feel like I'm late as fuck. Because like everybody who does interviews or is somebody in like the hip-hop media is like sitting there doing an interview with you. And whether it is like Rosenberg or Vlad or whoever, they're sitting there saying like, I fuck with you guys a lot. Like I just did this 10 minutes ago and I felt kind of

whack doing it because I was just listening to everybody else do it. But that's kind of crazy that you guys have that level of respect from people who seem like they really know what's going on. Yeah, it's dope, man. I swear it is. You know, you stick to your script and everything will work out, how it's going to work out for you. You know what I mean? Like for us,

like he was saying, like, you know, we're in no conversation. We ain't in them wrong with that elite bunch. You know what I'm saying? You got to show and prove. How did you guys even get into a conversation with Alchemus? Where that come from? I was hitting him up when I was hitting him up telling him I was doing this interview and he's like, fuck, I'm in Europe.

Nah, that's crazy because, like, I really don't even know, like, you know what I mean? I think Planet Asia, my nigger, Planet Asia had stumbled across some music and shit, some videos or something on YouTube. You know what I mean? Went to Alhouse and pulled that shit like, yeah. You ain't heard these, you know what I'm saying, Conway and West Side Gunniggas? I was playing them some shit. And, you know what I mean?

I mean, I heard the story after it, but I was just, you know, in a hug. I just woke up, you know what I mean, to like a tweet from Alchemist. Like, I never knew. I wasn't following him or nothing. I never met him. And he had just, like, reposted, retweeted, like, this freestyle I did. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, with mad fire emojis and I need like 20 more of these.

You know what I mean? So, and the DM followed after that, like, yeah, we got to, you know what I'm saying? We got to lock in and the rest is history, you know what I mean? But that's dope. My first time meeting them was when these niggas brought me to L.A. my first time. Right. You know what I'm saying? Nigger, I went to that house.

I was really, I was really fucked up. I'm saying I damn there had the flu I'm saying I came out there I was still smoking moon rocks and shit though I can get I came I came People come to L.A. and do that No you got to I'm like this my first time What the fuck?

It's medicinal I was gonna ask you if you ever If your first time you came to L.A. You got too high It was starting thinking I almost fucking Fucked myself up Moon Rocks that's no way to live

Man you can't be doing that I mean that's what I was and I was And I was fucked up but that was my first time to L.A. And these nigs took me to spot and we ended up doing some shit for the album You know what I mean? first time meeting it. Is that intro to prodigy? Because I've seen y'all rapping with

Prodigy, which fuck me up, because that must have been, like, right before he passed. Yeah, nah, I met, that's another funny story. Like, I was, um, because I, you know, I fuck with tech from Smith & Wesson. You know what I'm saying? The niggas had a show, like, not too far from, like, Buffalo and Niagara Falls. And I'm, I hit him like, yeah, y'all niggas got a show. He's like, yeah, pull up. So, anyway, long story short, I go to the show with them. We, you know, it was Smith and Wesson and M.D. I go to the show with these niggas and we wait and, you know, backstage. Like an outside backstage.

So I was seeing, you know, the van pull up and all that. Tech like, yeah, that's that's prodigy in them right there. I'm like, oh, world, nah, you know what I mean? I grow, these niggas is like, you know, these are idols, you know what I'm saying? But you got to be cool because you're popping too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, I'm trying to maintain my composure and all that. Yeah.

And, you know. But it's an elephant in the room. So born the nigger hops out the van. Asked for a light, light of cigarette and shit. And he's like, yo, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I fuck with your shit. Your shit is fire, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm like, he's like, nah, you, nigga. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, your shit is fire. I was on my fan shit. Like, damn, nigga, this prodig telling me my shit, you know what I mean? That's crazy. With this phone, I'm like, yeah, let me get your number, bro. We got to work.

And shit, the rest was history. Yeah. And we, you know, became friends, got close because you know what I mean he was a real dude you know man he was a real dope man shit fucked up man yeah that was crazy when I heard about that actually because like he's he's someone that as a kid

like when I fucking found out that he was sick and also found out about the drug shit he was having issues with and everything I was like I was probably one of the first rappers I ever like knew about who he was like a god to me but then I also like just knew him to be so human in both of those ways that he was dealing with like a sickness kind of thing you can't control at all

and the drug shit I mean, that's like, I don't know. That actually really kind of informs a lot of why his verses were so powerful and shit, too. Yeah, when you go back and listen to some of the sheds now, you know, you get tapped in. Yeah. When you guys think about your first time, like, really falling for rap music, what do you think about in terms of, like, your early introduction? I mean, me personally, my early introductory, I really can't remember. I want to say like run DMC in them niggas.

You know what I'm saying? Special Ed, we on the mission. I remember that vividly, you know what I mean, rapping that shit, a little badass little kid, rapping them shits. But like when I first got inspired, like wanted to rap this shit, it was like I was a heavy West Coast fan.

Like, I was watching them videos and listening to these dudes talking that shit and that shit took me there. Like, like, like, Cube and them niggas. And I used to get in trouble for listening to that shit. break my tapes and I take my NWA bootlegs. My mom smashed a Tupac CD with a hammer.

Exactly. That's what that. I definitely got to get you in trouble. I definitely got a snoop dog CD's tape smashed. I wonder if that still happens. Drop a comment down below if you ever had your parents like delete a fucking MP3 off your computer. I guess it would be these days.

See right now I got my daughter's shit where she can't even get on that shit. She's got no internet access. You know what I'm saying? Nowadays you got these bitches right around with motherfucking. they eight-year-old listening to City Girls. That's the fact of my daughter 13. She still got no internet exit. But she don't know about City Girls yet,

then you're a good dad. Nah, I ain't that good of a dad. Nah, they're gonna get too. Like, how are you getting out of machine. Yeah, right? You meet Coach K. You're like, yo, you got my daughter fucked up, bro. That's crazy.

Yeah, you ever think about that? Like, just playing music around your kids because, like, you know, my parents, like, or when I think of my sister, She got like a five-year-old. Like, they would never let me play some music with swear words around the kid. But, like, some of my friends who are, like, rappers and shit, like, they never even think about it. Yo, but you know what?

That was my mom's side who did that. But my pops, he always rode in the car with me and listened to any and everything. I got a good. Too short was his favorite rapper. Two-short was. It's my dad's favorite rapper. I ain't going to say was. I'm going to say is.

So I knew all that too-share, all that nasty shit. No Vaseline. I remember, yo, my pops used to ride around playing no. Vaseline for the whole day. That's the ice cube. You know what I mean? And I just got a good history lesson, you know what I'm saying, EPMD and all that shit. But my first, I remember like listening to reasonable doubt, like on the radio, I'm feeling

it. You know what I'm saying? That shit. I remember that used to come on on the radio at night. But then when I got old enough and I revisited that, that was like, I was young. That was 96. So I was about 12. When I got old enough to revisit that and a lot of other stuff.

shit and understood what these dudes was talking about. I tapped in a ready-to-die-to-die-all years later, so I'm saying, that music definitely inspired me. And I got into music early, but I understood it a little later, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's crazy just to think about nowadays. Like, for, like, you know, you grew up with that, like, amazing hip-hop right in your face. And it's not like, it's not like that.

Do you think when you look at, like, a young rapper now, that it's hard for them to sort even become someone who's, like, interested in some outlier shit? Like you guys are sort of, you know, left of what is normally going on in rap right now. It's almost like with the streaming services being how people get into music, it's like they have access to everything. But then at the same time, it feels like a huge percentage of people just end up gravitating towards the same shit that happens to be, like, doing well on streaming services. Right, right, right. Yeah, no, I think it's definitely different. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, when you grow up, just think about it, like, for me, like, think about, like, or not, not. Nause was 19 or some shit like that when he did, El Maddie. Prodigy and them niggas, 19, 18, and infamous and all that. But think of like the 18-year-year-old, 19-year-old rapper now, what they rapping. Right, see what I'm saying? So it's like if you're a younger dude 15, 16 or whatever, and getting inspired by music, this is the shit you listen to. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, you know, no disrespect to the homie, but, like, a lot of these artists now, these niggas grew up in like the soldier boy era the bow wow era you know what I'm saying the shit like that they ain't grow up they probably never heard

reasonable doubt they probably never heard El Man not with a mind that was able to comprehend what was going on they didn't hear purple tape you mean you need some young kid now who knows about that shit

you're like really impressed because that shows that they actually really went through and did some fucking history but I still understand like you ain't listen to it with a like you got to that shit really going through that shit like for me like when I should came on I was 16 I was already jumped off the porch I was already living and shit all that shit

they were saying so I understood it you know what I'm saying and it meant more and it impacted me more in my life more you know what I was if I had 18 years year a nigger 16 year old right now be like yo I'm gonna put you and listen to this perfectate they ain't gonna understand it like like like they ain't gonna take it in like like how we're taking it they're gonna have you know what I'm You know, they're going to have their own heroes. But that's actually really is that you guys could be that to them.

Yeah, that's the dope. That's the dope thing. That's dope because it's Jews in the music. And it's like you were saying, that's what we grew up off. I'm saying, niggas teaching you shit in music. It was about being the slickest, being the smartest, and being a, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It wasn't about fucking off.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? It wasn't about that. Like I said, niggas was inspired by the golden era. Like, it's a blessing to be from that area. Like you said, niggas grew up listening to it. It's a blessing to it's a blessing to it. You know what I mean?

But like you said, everybody got their own heroes. And we got to understand what that music meant to us. That's what this new music mean to them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely. In terms of like, when you look at the streets in particular in Buffalo and shit, I thought it was really interesting because you're talking about you're from a famous heroin block, right? Is it all fentany on now?

Has the game like completely changed? Yeah. It has, huh? Yeah. That's a fact. And is it like way more fucked up as a result? When you look at the actual scene, do you think that it's way more fucked up? Because look, okay, I'm going to break it down.

Anybody, anybody who've been in the game, no. If you've been in the game, you know, heroin's like a, it's not, it's not like cocaine. Everybody got their hands on cocaine, put their hands on cocaine. Everybody haven't dabbled in a heroin game. You for what I'm saying? Now since it's turned. Since that gotten trendy, you know what I'm saying, by the young kids who use drugs, everybody got their hands on it.

You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. Everybody's selling that shit. Like I said, I'm from a block that been doing that shit. You for what I'm saying? But it's a new thing. And it's trendy. Whoever making that fentanyl, I don't know what the fuck they're doing.

They're putting that shit in there. And, you know, it's killing people. You know, niggas ain't got no boats. We don't own no bolts. I was reading about how much cheaper it is for them to produce fentanyl versus heroin. Heroin is such a complicated drug to produce. You gotta do it. Like, it's just, it's a totally different world.

Like, the cartels and shit are not even looking at heroin as an option anymore in terms of them making money because it's a totally different level of profit. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. I was, my man, a couple years ago, his son was in hospital getting heart surgery.

You know what I'm saying? So they had the heart surgery and it came out successful and everything. But he was like a little, he got a little Aggie, so they was about to give him some medicine, and they was about to shoot him with, fat and all. He told him like, nah, don't do that, give him something else. And then they came and gave him something else.

He got to watch that shit, too. Yeah, not for real. I mean, there's so many people that, like, I was talking about this the other day. There was a dude I know who got cancer. He was like a BMX pro or whatever. We all did a big, like, thing to raise money for him, all this shit. And then all of a sudden, like, within a year or two,

this fool was, like, sleeping under a bridge, smoking perks, like fucking completely fucked. Like, his family couldn't even be around him at all. just because they put him on OxyCon and then all of a sudden he's fucking shooting heroin all of a he's just doing everything under the sun like just because he had a little fucking taste he lost his whole life and that shit happened in like two years that's wild man like drugs is a motherfucker yeah I think the the medical you know what

mean the drugs out the hospital they gave that's the shit that's worse than the motherfucker and the shit we sell on the streets to me yeah not real shit because they prescribed them to you. That's what they got to go to the hospital, man. So they can give you that shit and that's how your ass locked in. I mean, people seamlessly transition from one to the next, you know?

It's like, especially with the kids now, it seems so safe from them, take a Zan. Any fucking kid these days, they all know what Zanz is and all that shit. And it's so easy for them to end up going from that to whatever. And even the Zans, like it's bad enough. Like, you see fucking, like,

I was watching fucking cops the other day. They're catching people with Zans left and right. It was like multiple. clips in the same episode with this bitch had a big old bag of green hulks in her pocket and shit. And she's a fucking real deal junkie, like red in the face running around selling pussy for like

$20 on the street. That's crazy, man. You know, drugs is a part of America though. You know what I'm saying? Drugs is a part of America and drugs help build this country. You know what I'm saying? In the streets and pharmaceutical wise. I'm saying? So that's going forever be an issue. It's controlling

it. And you see with the marijuana thing, you know what I'm saying? That's interesting. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm in my 30s. Just imagine like weed is legal. I'm saying? I know how niggas been doing that in California, but they lightening the laws up around,

like in Buffalo, you know what I'm saying? If you get caught with 57 grams, it's a ticket. Yeah. You know, that's big for niggas. That's crazy. That's big for niggins, you know what I'm saying? That's two zips. That's a ticket.

You know what I'm saying? You don't got to be paranoid in no shit like that. That's big. So what about, what's that country where heroin is legal? I think in Amsterdam and shit, don't they have it like regular? later where you can just do it? Yeah, Amsterdam.

Heroin is legal, so no drugs is a part of, not even America, Amsterdam shit. Y'all seen the wire? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember Amsterdam? The area where, like, they just let everybody sell drugs and shit. Yeah, that was crazy.

That was fascinating, though, right? Because it really makes you wonder. And I think when you look back on that, that might have seemed like a more shocking concept. Whereas now, I think almost everybody agrees that in terms of, like, treating people who are on drugs, that it would be it would be safer and better to, like, create clinics where people could go in and get their fix

and not have to necessarily be running around getting dirty-ass drugs. Yeah, that's a fact. But this is what it is, though, this what it is, though, it's really the users. Because, look, when people take that fentanyl and all shit like that, they're not supposed to take all that. You for what I'm saying? So fiends will go to the, whatever they got to do, they'll go to the methadone clinic or whatever. But they're going to need that fix again. they're going to need that rush again you know what I mean so it's really it's like damn

you know I'm saying like how to fuck how the fuck you do that it's about moderation yeah they're abusing it you know what I'm saying they abusing it and methadone clinic you wake up everybody get their little shit or you know you take your hit that's how a lot of them that's how a lot of overdoses happen you know what I'm saying you give you give a you give a a motherfucker a tester tell them don't only only take this much they be like no man I you know I can take bigger heads I can handle that take it then they asses out it's just like anything else you started out hitting the tiny little bowl or hitting the blunt months or twice and now you got a couple blunts just for the interview you know what the fuck that shit crazy so you know drugs is a part of this shit yeah but is it when you look at like the scene in terms of people selling drugs in in buffalo and shit is it the kind of thing where the cops do almost at this point sort of like turn an eye to a lot of the drug dealing and selling as long as it doesn't equal out to a bunch of violence no not not in my hub yeah i ain't gonna say that asshole pack man i ain't gonna say that I ain't gonna say that.

Who cops his ass? They just run down on niggas because they know who he is. It ain't like the wire and nothing like that, but you can get caught like with maybe some weed or something,

and in situations with some other shit, some small shit, you know what I'm saying? And they're looking for guns, man. You know what I'm saying? They're looking for guns, man. You know what I'm saying?

If it ain't nothing worth their time, they're looking for guns. But, you know, I've been in situations where there's police is dickheads and both. Yeah, they just Fuck on

What you're not For real? You think it's real Is it like real in your face there? Because when I think about New York City I think about that shit as being crazy as fuck Because compared to L.A., the police presence in The city is insane. Yo, you know, I hear, I'll be watching them

YouTube videos and I be seeing niggas from the city Cuss the police out. Fucking you bitch suck my dick Like that have never happened. You've seen those water clips? That have never happened in Buffalo. But you seen, were they throwing the water on them? I've seen that shit.

That's fucked up. They had a National Guard at. But they came back and they arrested them all that next day or some shit. No, real shit. That'll never have. Ain't none of that shit going on. I think that those cops are probably just super aware of what it would look like on social media. If they started tear gas on the whole neighborhood and shit.

See, yeah, now is different. So they sent someone to get in after. No, real shit. And I was different. But I will say this, though. Like the wire shit, like I'm, like I said, I'm from a block where niggas was making $20,000 a day. police could have why they couldn't just sit a squad car on a block on the corner and make sure nobody do nothing.

Why they don't do shit like that? Yeah. You for what I'm saying? It's like, you know, it's a system. If you ask me, they could have did that. They don't do that. Yeah. There's no niggas over there every day.

They know niggas. But is it different in the sense that like when you watch the wire and they got like basically an open air drug market going on in the projects? It's like that doesn't, it seems like that doesn't need to happen anymore because. because everybody's so connected with their phones and shit, that it's easy for people to just be able to, like, meet in secretive places to do drugs and shit. So it's probably changed a lot in that sense. It kind of did, but it kind of didn't.

Man, I think drug users and drug buyers, you know what I'm saying, just like to show up where they know the drugs is at. They don't want to call nobody. I could just show up. You might not answer the phone, like real shit. You're trapped. You know, they just like to show up, man. You know what I'm saying?

If I know if I go to this place, they're going to be there. I don't got to call you. I'm not waiting on nobody. I'm dependent, not on a person. I'm dependent on a location. You know what I'm saying? That's how they like it. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. Did you deal with a lot of remorse when you were dealing drugs? Like when you were looking at the results and the ramifications of your behavior. Like I remember listening to Clips was the first time I ever really heard a rapper like dealing with the destruction that they might have been responsible for. And like, that to me has always been something that would like completely shift how I view a rapper is if they talk about the consequences and they talk about the feeling that they might have from from being part of that. Is that something that you were thinking about when you were younger or is that something that you're only capable of sort of thinking about now? Man, I'm going to be honest with you. It's something I thought about.

But it wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing that was big on me. You know what I'm saying? It didn't like, you know what I'm saying? I'm from the destruction of drugs. I'm from that. My mom was on drugs. I was in foster homes.

You feel what I'm saying? I'm part of that. Like, you know what I mean? So I didn't have, I didn't have like, like, damn, what I'm doing is fucked up. You for what I'm saying? At times I did have it when sometimes I look and I see, you know what I'm saying? I might look at a house and see what's going on with some kids. And then, of course, you know what I'm saying?

But I always looked at that kid as like, that was me. I did that first. I used to have that shit. I just think about that. I used to be like that, like, I ain't really give a fuck. I'm out to get this bag, you know what I'm saying? But once I stop, like, my family members and shit, I had some family members and all that

that was, like, sneaking and buying it from me. You know what I mean? Like, I'm serving my own family and all that shit. It's like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Like, is that what, you know what I mean? Is that bag that really, you know what I mean? Powerful, how that much value? It's never worth it, though.

It's never worth it. Because I was reckless with it. Like, I was serving everybody. That's a fact. I mean, that's a fact. I always tell this story. Like, we don't do this shit no more, but I always tell the story. I said it in different rap.

He's just the thing that was ruthless. Niggas was about 14 and called this nigga to get a hammer. There's no question. It gave it to niggas. Really? Who you called? Me. Oh, you called this.

And you gave it to him one of me. It was 14. I trust that they, you know, all their judgment. That's what it was. But that's what it was. So that's why it's hard to feel numb to that when you write and you inside of it. I'm not like, we're not from like the corners or watch people. Like we from the middle of the shit.

The middle of the shit. Like so your dog call you with a problem. You know what I'm saying? He's fearing for a nigger's safety if he don't got that. You for what I'm saying? Like that type of environment. Like real shit. Yeah.

Is the gun shit just as fucked up? in like are the penalties just as bad as is in the city yeah it's no new new york state same thing same shit huh have you are you old enough to have remember when the laws were a little different yeah niggas used to get eight months pro five years probation yeah i did eight months for my pistol yeah yeah that's gonna black did too yeah yeah that feels like a breeze now because you're doing like at least three years or something like that's not right now wish they could get eight much that pistol like the government always do they make harsh uh penalties yeah and then they go back on them so right now they got something in new york state called gun court and i'm saying like they got

drug court and i'm saying they got gun court is where they's like being more lenient because all these young niggas got straps the prisons is full you for what i'm saying so it's not even in i know it's in rachelore i know it's in buffalo but gun court you know what's crazy that's what they do like They lock all these drug dealing niggas up from the 80s, and they were like, you know, that was harsh. We gave me y'all 10 years back. You know what I'm saying? Same thing they're going to do with the feton.

All these, they locking all these niggas up for the feton and heroin. They're going to do the same thing in 10 years. They're going to let these niggas out. That's crazy. Yeah, because I have a homie who got caught with a fucking machine gun with a shell catcher on it. And they gave him 90 days, which I was like, I can't believe you just got 90 days for this fucking ridiculous murder weapon that nobody should be walking around with.

And then he goes in. He's on Instagram story of the next. day he's like boom they let me out they didn't have no room in the jail i'm like what kind of fucking world is this like that this is going down like you know what's crazy see a lot of people don't be known about that criminal shit man a lot of a lot that got that got to do with your criminal shit is uh your criminal history and i'm saying if you don't got no criminal history you the first time you're getting caught with drugs really even even if it's a lot of drugs it's a slap on the wrist you know niggas is getting caught with bricks doing five years you know

i'm saying if you got money for a lawyer and i'm saying i know i'm saying i know no niggas was get caught with quarter bricks doing six months in shotgun. Wow. You for what I'm saying? Because it's different. It's drugs. You know what I'm saying? This shit is a part of America.

And I'm saying, there's more time in a manufacturing and a traffic and a conspiracy. You know what I'm saying? And actually, they're kicking in the find the shit in your living room. You know what I'm saying? You know, it's a system, man. That's how they do the shit, man. Yeah. Do you worry?

Or do you just have a different outlook when you look at people that you know who are still in that life and you just are living away now where you just don't have to deal with the same amount of risk. I feel so guilty. I feel so guilty. And I'm saying. And I shouldn't. I feel guilty. I'd be around sometimes and, you know what I mean? I might hear something. I'm like, damn, I'm like, damn. Taking crazy risk from money. And I'm like, damn. And, and, and this is what I'm to say. It's a difference between a drug dealer and a hustler. You know what I'm saying? See, we hustlers. A drug dealer can only deal drugs. And if you, and if you're, you know, and if you And if you just got to be smart at it and nobody's smart at it, you got to be in it to raise

you a few dollars, not a lot. What do you think you're going to make a million dollars and retire? No, you're going to get shot the fuck up. Somebody going to kick in your door, make you a few dollars retire, get you a fucking piece of shop or get you something, you know what I'm saying, make good enough money where you don't got to look over your shoulder and nobody do that. See, that's what I say about the ghettos with niggas from the ghettos. The ghetto is so rough and tough and fucked up.

your parents could only teach you how to survive in that motherfucker. They can't tell you what to do once you made it out. Or once you graduated high school and you finish you, so you're not in jail, you're not dead, or you're out. They don't know what to tell you after that. You know what I'm saying? They just know how to tell you to get through that shit. That's why we're not taught about credit,

taught about that business shit, taught about all that other shit because nobody, you know what I'm saying? Like that, you better learn how to walk to the bus stop. Don't talk to these niggas right here. Don't do that. We're not learned to function outside of our ghettos. You know what I'm saying? When you look at how your kids are growing up, how does it make you, how does your experience guide that?

And to what extent do you feel like you're even able to really shield them from the horrible things that you've witnessed and you know that a lot of kids still grow up around? Of course, of course. Of course, my kids ain't going to never grow up in the conditions I grew up in. You know what I'm saying? And that's the point, you know what I'm saying? They never, they are never understand what I went to. You know what I'm saying? They're not supposed to, you know what I'm saying?

They're not supposed to. They children. You know what I'm saying? What we went through, that was really a tragedy, you know what I'm saying? But our kids will never go through them, no nuts shit like that. That wasn't normal. We grew up to see that shit was a normal. It was normal.

When we was going through it, everybody, mom smoked crack. Everybody mom did. It felt normal. Ain't nobody had no father around. That was normal. You got a dad, you know what I'm saying? But it's not normal now. Niggas take care of their kids and kids and my kids are spoiled.

Got schools, you know, you got them out of the hood. They don't live in a hug. You know what I mean? They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, on science team, whatever, chess club and all that. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, shit like that. Right. Do they ever, they ever show any sort of fascination in the lifestyle that you're describing when you, in your raps and shit?

Do they ever, like, really feel the need to ask questions about, like, so dead. Like, you really sold out his drugs? Not, yeah. I mean, my son, my son, my son, 13, so he ain't really. You just starting to get curious, right? Yeah, he ain't really, you know what I'm talking about, quite. But, you know what I mean? He wouldn't understand if I told him, you know what I'm saying?

It's going to take for him to get a little older and see like, damn, I used to come in the house and you came off from school and the lights was cut off. You had to eat a mayonnaise sandwich or you're going to go hungry for the day. Yeah. All these one fucking Capricie sons and luncheables and, you know what I mean? Shitting the fridge. I don't even know how mayonnaise. I don't even eat mayonnaise. Missing out.

Hey, pizza. Mayo, that's a good life. I got a stepdaughter that's 21. She older. I used to be married to my baby mama. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? But I got a biological daughter that's,

she's about to be 14. She's 13 now, right? So they don't been in a maid visits to federal prisons and shit like that with me. But it's nothing that they want to sit and talk about to me. You know what I'm saying? Because they're like so, they're not like ghetto kids. You know what I'm saying? They're not fascinated by that.

that. I'm saying? They was in there writing me letters telling me, you got to chill. You know what I'm saying? So that's nothing that they want to talk about. You know what I'm saying? They don't give a fuck about that shit.

That's interesting. I wanted to ask, when you look at your fan base, who's like a typical person that gets attracted to the shit that you guys are doing? And also, do you feel like you have a lot of white fans? Yeah, it's a lot of... And we got a ton of white fans. Well, I guess any popular rapper that said they have a ton of white fans. white fan.

White fan. You know what I'm saying? Everything, man. This shit is crazy. You know what it is too? It's like, you know what I mean? I think the wrestling and the art aspect of our music.

Exactly. Draw that crowd. Exactly. Because, you know, everybody loves wrestling. And it wasn't, like I said, like it was shit wasn't by like no gimmick or no shit. We sat at the table and like, yo, you know what? We should just start naming our songs,

wrestling songs and start putting wrestlers on our album covers and all. Like, that's just the shit we love. We was on growing up. Real shit. Niggas so dope and watched wrestling. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we get a lot of that,

like the skateboard culture. You know what I mean? The skateboarders and the bikers and the motherfucking, you know what I mean? The Hispanic, you know, the Hispanic crowd. Got the hood niggas. Like, our shows would be crazy. Like, you got the white boys.

You got the skateboarders, the backpacks, the hippies, the Mexican or, you know, the Hispanic niggas. You got the hood. niggas, you know what I'm saying? You got the square niggas who just, you know, go to work, you know what I mean? And just go home, but just enjoy authentic hip hop. It's like all in one room, nigga, ain't no, never know. I ain't never been had a show where niggas was fighting or none of that.

Yeah. It's like it's just all love. That should be a dope thing. I'm telling you, it's like you said, it's the art of that shit, you know what I'm saying? It's the art of that shit. There's some people who just hear it and they just, and it just for the gangster shit, you know what I'm saying? And that's cool. You know what I'm saying?

But some people in it for the beats, for the skits, for the era. You know what I'm saying? They know what I mean? They're attracted to that. You know what I'm saying? The merging on, they attracted to that. The merch to cover art. All that shit, Clay apart and the Griselda success.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, that shit was just all a pot of like a pot of gumble or something. You know what I mean? Like, you know, even like having Daringer, like, as our in-house producer, obviously, he's white. You know what I mean? He ain't, he ain't never. you know I mean I'm sure you know whatever he did he did but he ain't live like we he didn't have to you know what I'm saying he ain't have to live and in the house with you know what

I'm saying motherfucking eight other kids in a two-bedroom right right yeah he's a part of the song so it's like a part of the song and it's like people who see that our fans see that and they see like the paintings and the mural like all that shit is you know the graffiti artists and all that shit is like this was the shit felt like they was missing You know what I mean? We got people tattooing, you know what I mean? Our shit in their skin, you know what I mean? Like tattooing my face on them.

That's fine. That's crazy. That's crazy. On their chest or something, you know what I mean? I just got my fan made this, they first tattoo a couple months ago. Yeah. You got the, you know what I mean? That's what I'm saying?

Like, the music is just, I feel like the music is secondary. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's dope though. We make fire music and we can rap good, but it's like the other shit that we represent, like the art and the fashion, the wrestling, the culture. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I'm saying? People gravitate towards that.

You know what I mean? A lot of dudes, like I was saying earlier, they just ended for the bag. Like, they just frown away. I'm about it's why that's all they talk about. Look at my wife. Look at my bitch. Look at my wife.

What else you go talk about? Because you ain't got no culture. That was kind of hard. And I was a hook. I don't think they said much. I'm going to record that. You should do a voice memo. You should do a voice memo.

Right, you know what I mean But yeah, though So it's like You know what I'm saying Like we were saying earlier We're just students of the game Man but we just added our own little Our own little flavor with

Adding little shit that we love Man niggas love art Niggas love fashion We love wrestling We love grimy hip hop You know what I'm saying I feel like yeah I'm just gonna mention action again

Because that was one thing I got When I first got turned on to him In like 2011 It was like damn I never heard a rapper Who was just like a authentic type real hip hop rapper but then he also was like talking about

random ass wrestling references like professional bodybuilders from back in the day all this weird as shit I'm like honestly when I first heard him I was like I don't think I ever heard a rapper with a sense of humor this good and then I kind of feel the same way with you guys as shit too where it's like it's just

it's too smart there's just so much quality writing to it that you just have to appreciate after so many years of listening to so many people that might not put as much effort into the writing. You got to be a, I always say this, you got to be a smart nigga to be a good rapper.

But this nigga hilarious, this nigga could be a comedian. A lot of niggins don't know. This nigga is fucking hilarious. If you combine the funniest motherfucker you know with someone who's just good at rapping, that's going to be the best rapper. It's someone who has the personality, the genuine, like, energy.

A lot of dudes, like, realistically, it's like they're boring as fucking their raps because if you listen to them in interview, they're boring as fuck just as people. They might have an all right flow. They might have a good cadence or a good voice, but if they're boring as people, then there's, like, almost no chance that they're going to actually be able to spit entertaining rap. We call that chips. Chips?

Chips? We call that chips, yeah. What do you mean? That's like lame, whack. Oh, okay. He chips. He chips. He food.

Yeah, I'm saying. Niggas chips. I heard you said that on a song. He said it's like, it's funny when every rapper is food to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you listen to the radio feeling like that? I'd be feeling like we up an echelon. You know what I'm saying?

The confidence, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We're doing something that ain't nobody else doing. Can't do. That's how I felt. I feel like, I feel like, can't nobody fuck with us. You know what I'm man? And we're showing and proving.

We're gonna continue to strive to do that, like to make sure we show him pro. You know what I'm saying? You hear how the butcher coming on everything. he on, this nigga just going crazy. And that should inspire me. You know what I mean? That's why you obviously see us together when we, you know what I mean?

We end up saying wrongs because I'd be needing that inspiration too. You know what I mean? Like, I need to see somebody and tell myself, yeah, he's more hungry than you. Wake up, you know what I mean? Then I get shot up. Then I get shot up. Then he or do you on the same type of time. And now, fuck that.

You know what I mean? And it's just, that's the beauty of the griselle, the formula, because we all want to be great. You know what I'm saying? And leave an impact in this shit forever. It's that buffalo shit, that chip on your shoulder. We ain't never had a shot. We ain't never had a chance. Ain't nobody really respect this shit we was doing

and where we was coming from because we wasn't from the burrows and none of that. So it's like we go extra hard to let it be known, like to leave our, we got to etch this shit in the concrete nigga Griselda. DSF, we hear. We ain't going nowhere. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That's crazy. It's like, yeah, you guys really like got something to prove. But I guess you guys are like, kind of like the definition of like a slow burn in terms of like your come up because it's always weird to see like I was I think about block boy or someone like mcconin when like they came out and they got those Drake features and all of a sudden they went from like zero to fucking huge so fast and then it was hard for them to really like maintain their careers after that and you guys are kind of the exact opposite of that in the sense that it's just been like a very steady growth over the past couple of years and even And like when you do get crazy-ass looks like that fucking M&M song and shit, it's still like it's just like contributing to the gradual thing. It's not like you guys have had that one like crazy sellout move that will kind of like

spoil the whole right, right, right. Now I'm saying, that's really on some real shit. Like I'll be thinking like we just a power move away. Like we ain't really, that ain't really happened yet. But I just so authentic and niggas fuck with it so much that we was getting the top tier co-signs and the looks and shit. years ago, like, you know what I mean, when we first kind of came in, like, I did Coach. We did Coachella, you know what I mean?

Without an album out, we did government while we did all the fest. We got records with Koogee rap, DJ Premier, and, you know what I'm saying? And, you know what I'm saying? And all that type of dudes like that, Royce and Beats with Alchemists and Pete Rock, you know what I mean? And murals all over the country and niggas tattooing shit on each shit, buying, selling our merch, out merch and vinals in like two minutes. We was doing that shit in like, you know, 2015, 2016.

Like when we first kind of came in, it just wasn't getting... We was doing that kind of shit with like 15, 20,000 followers. Like, it wasn't getting that main, like that mass exposure, that maximum exposure. You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, it's growing. It's just growing now. You know what I mean? That's all. It's just growing now. So you're hearing the records with the, you know what I'm saying? The M&Ms and shit.

shit like that because you know the shit expanding now like more and more people starting to like listen and hear about it and all that like I was we was in the studio with a hit boy last night and he's like yeah now the big homie was telling me about you know what I mean yeah and I'm like damn nigga that shit still be blowing my mind because where we from this shit don't happen you know what I mean this shit never happened for nobody from ever you know what I'm saying I'm saying shit ain't never ever to when I be hearing shit like yeah ho was telling me about you You know what I mean? I should be having me on like

I mean it's so hard to come out as a rapper from anywhere even if you're from New York or L.A. whereas objectively easier to come up but I mean to be like the first people from a major area like that to really be able to blow up it's like that's definitely got to just be

a fucking amazing feeling that's amazing. It should be celebrated more and talk about real shit we need our own day in our own street up there Buffalo that shit that we're they'll build a statue for us right now

because like Where we from, don't nothing happen for Nova. I don't care what field you in. Like, don't be the too many niggas that make it to the league. You know what I'm saying? NBA and none of that shit. You don't, the opportunities are slim. You either sell dope or you're working a dead and job, you know,

struggling, trying to figure it out in life, you know what I mean? So for us to do what we're doing, it's so inspirational, man, just for not only Buffalo, the whole upstate New York. You know what I mean? Rochester, Syracuse and all that shit, Albany, because it's like these are the cities that never really get the shots. You know what I mean? Any place that's not even around there, but who feel how Buffalo feels.

You know what I'm saying? Shout out all my CT niggas, you know what I'm saying? I know they feel. They're behind this because they feel like, yo, shit like Buffalo, you know what I'm saying? Nobody from in there really never, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I'm from outside Boston, Nashville, New Hampshire. So it's kind of like when I'm watching your videos and you're just seeing you on these random ass alleys with the fucked up ground and crazy potholes and everywhere.

This is such a different vibe aesthetically. than what you see when you look down the street in LA. That's a big part of the allure is that your music just has a different vibe from that. But do you guys see yourself leaving that area? And do you think that you would be able to maintain that same kind of spirit if you were waking up every day looking out at the beach? I mean, I think so. I believe so.

You know what I mean? But it's like I really don't know because niggas ain't really live like that Tony Montana lifestyle. Right, right. We lived good, man. Niggas done have money. Niggas done came across all type of thousands and all type of money and all type of cars and jewels and, you know what I mean, and the bitches and everything that come with having money. You know what I mean?

We kind of been, you know, used to that and exposed to that. So I can't see us like, you know what I mean, wavering from, you know, how we give it up, changing how we move. But you never know, man. When you, you know, the lump sum million start pouring then, you never know. That shit. That shit worse than drugs. They say famous. No real shit.

You look at your bank account and you see $10 million. It's like, am I really trying to like be out here in Buffalo all the time or am I going to be on Calabasas? I'm going to be on Buffalo now. Oh, really don't stay there. I don't live in Buffalo. I got a house there. I own a house there, but I don't, I mean, I'll be moving around so much because we've been

touring. We're doing shows constantly. We in other cities recording and just constantly just driving and, you know, keep elevating with this shit. So do you think it's just not a good idea for y'all to be out there in Buffalo? Is that just, is it too close to home? Just too close to too much bullshit? Shit, I don't have no problems because, you know, we go.

Probably a lot of cops that would like to fuck you all up out there, right? More for me? In Buffalo. Kind of, kind of shit. But more for me is work-related. Like, he said he never home anyway, you know what I'm saying? I'm always gone anyway, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, the better weather, you know what I'm saying?

Get some better weather. and I'm always out of town anyway, you know what I'm saying? But it's more work-related, you know what I'm saying? I could really move and do what I need to do in a different city. There's different opportunities and bigger, but I'm always in Buffalo, though. I'm always in Buffalo, too, but I'm going to keep it on, and I don't really be in the hug. You know what I'm really being in a hug, man. You know, the hood is the hug.

And if you prepare for what come with that, then, I mean, shit, you're so weird. Just me personally, I just, I don't been through already the shit happens. I got shot in my head and my neck, like, in the club. You're happy to live. Niggas did they tour? Niggas did they tour in Vietnam? Yeah, we didn't have. I tore in Vietnam.

Nikes did they tour? When I'm in the city, I don't even go to the other. I'll be somewhere low-key drinking, eating at a restaurant, or something like that, or just chilling with my family. But because, and not only that, I mean, you've seen what happened to me. You see what happened to Nipsey, shit like that. Like, the hug, gonna be the hub, man. You're gonna be so fortunate, but it's the hub, man.

So I stay out, you know what I mean? When I go to that motherfucker, I be in and out. I might stop at a store or some shit like that. Yeah, shit like. He'd be in the... Yeah, my mom's still living. You know, our family's still living. I mean, like, yo, where you're at?

He's like, I bought me. I'm gonna be a mate. I'll pause up. You know what I mean? But it's just something like that stopped, dude. You know, I'm hollering at the homies. We was just a nigga. We were just in there.

We just hollering at Monet. Yeah, nothing for a lot. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Because it's still love. Because it's still love. You know what? People are proud of us and saying what we're doing.

And it's like, you know what I mean? We got that kind of like hands-off policy kind of going. Right. Like, niggas are already knowing, like, nah, let them through their official niggins. And what a lot of people got to realize, the ultimate goal is to not be in the fucking hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's really the ultimate goal is to show people how to, you know what I'm saying, get out the hood.

If we, if we doing good, take care of your people that's in there. But the get out is bigger and better things going on. You know what I'm saying? Why will we be subject to that? I'm saying? I heard a lot of people. I've seen people say, and I'm saying,

in our community, in our neighborhoods, everybody talk about what they bought for their kids. Everybody said, like, yeah, man, I went broke for my kids. Why go broke for your kids? Get rich for your kids.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, get the fuck up out of there. Somebody made a comment on my shit the other day. I moved out the hood as soon as I got money. You damn right. I did my tour. I did my tour. You know what I'm saying?

I'm from the trenches. I'm out of there. I'm out of there. And I just moved off six months ago. Yeah. You for what I'm saying? But before this, I was on the tour with the locks and living in the projects. Really?

Facts. I did Sway in the morning. I did funk flex. I was still living in the P's when I did that shit. Right. And I'm saying, going home to the P's every night with a rollie on. You for what I'm saying? Is that stressful?

Nah. It wasn't because I lived there, but some nights I used to get out. It was like, I, tonight gonna be the tonight niggas. I get all y'all niggas. Like it's tonight gonna be the night bus shit. I'm from that environment, but like you said, hands off policy. Niggas know what come with that. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? That's just that what it is. That's crazy. Just dope, though, that, you know what I mean? You know, niggas is doing all this shit coming from where we from. Like, you know what I mean? Without a shot, like, you know, and how we inspire. You know what I mean?

Just think, like I was saying, no cosines, none of that. We're on tour with the locks niggas still living in the project. Selling our tour. We're on sold our tour. You know what I mean? This shit all was built organically and it just awful just our talent. You know what I mean? Our hard work.

It was no favors. And nobody gave us no bag. We didn't want no one. We ain't taking them from nobody because we don't want to owe nobody. We don't want nobody hands in this pot. This shit is, you know what I mean? This shit is all family-orientated and organic and authentic. Right, right.

And that's what people I think love about this shit too. Do you guys, I heard a song. where you guys were like going back and forth on the verse with styles and jada going back and forth on the verse yeah that was benny and 38 especially oh right right right yeah i thought that was you guys together yeah but that like is that like i mean obviously jada and styles are like the kings of that right is that and going back and forth on it you know yeah is that like a weird experience to even like do you have you guys ever written bars together like that or did one person write the whole verse or like what is that we do it all the time and he write his part and i write my part

Oh, okay. You've got to be cohesive when you do it. You got to sit down and talk and have a conversation and communicate through writing a verse when you do it. That's it. You know what I'm saying? That ain't like, you go in the corner and you're going there. Sometimes we do, do that.

Let's just black out. And then sometimes you're like, okay, now what we'll be doing? Let's talk about it. Yeah, it's direction and all that we're going to go in. Yeah, that's interesting. Is that the first time you ever got on a track with Marshall that came out? Yeah, that's my first record. That's my first record with Marshall.

What made you decide that that was the time to do it and that that was the song? Well, I just felt like that was the song off the jump when I heard this shit. Because I recorded it already first, you know what I'm saying? And I went to Detroit just to sit down and I wanted him to hear it. So I went to his studio in Detroit, I flew to Detroit. And I played my album. God don't make mistakes for him and Paul Rosenberg.

And, yeah, Royce was in a room or whatever. And, you know what I mean? When that joint came on, I'm just like, yeah, this is the shit that I had. mind I want to do the body I'm saying and that's how that happened and um you know the album I mean the song just came out just out of nowhere like it was just time like

you know he just wanted to like now let's put this out now right so shit we dropped that motherfucker and tore the streets up yeah that was crazy was that was like kind of nerve wracking to even like mention that just to be like yo hey one of the greatest rappers

all the time you want to just get on the song was a little did you think about it a lot leading up to it? No, I just wanted, I thought about, am I sure this is the record that I wanted to get him on? Because I kind of figured, I already knew on my mind. Like, I'm outspoken. I mean, like, shit, I need a verse, bro.

What up? Get on this. You know what I'm saying? So I already knew when I got to Detroit and I'm playing him this album. Like, my mind stills like, I'm not leaving Detroit without a verse. I was like, I'm about to go to Eminem's personal, his studios.

I'm about to get a verse. Yeah. It's happening. It's happening. So the whole flight, I'm just like, you know what I mean? I'm happy, niggott. You know what I'm saying? Shit, I got there.

I just played them the album and shit. And it's just like, you know what I mean? I ain't going to lie, the album's so crazy, man. I didn't even expect this kind of reaction from him. I know what I mean? Like, I'm a confident, nigg. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a pretty confident guy.

Like, I knew this shit fire. I knew they was going to fuck with it. But, like, this shit was like, the reactions from him, it was like, he was like, I blew him away kind of. It was like, yo, this shit is crazy. Yeah. Crazy how you're rapping on this shit. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm excited.

I can't wait to get this shit out. Yeah, that shit nuts. You know what I mean? People ain't never heard this kind of machine yet. You know what I mean? That's fire. whose idea was it to put the horns on the black thought collab

was that him yeah yeah yeah I felt like that was him you know you got that right because they wasn't on there before really he was like yo put these horns on there I'm like yeah fuck it's in the back it's kind of fire it's like it's dope it's dope it's like it's like the chorus it's only once but it's like

sort of like a really like minimal I damn they got the a song with a root with the roots yeah there you go that's crazy Yeah, was that similar, like, how'd you go about even putting in the request for that? And was that one that you were like, in terms of like your bucket list of people that you'd want to get on track? So was that a big one? Yeah, that definitely was a big one.

It's like I already knew thought was tapped in before what I'm saying. So I heard the beat and I'm like, you know what? Thought can get on this. It should be crazy. So I wrote my verse before I even, by the time I wrote my verse, I knew he was going to be on. the song. I'm saying. So I didn't even write my verse and then called him. I'm like, yo, I got this beat. He's like, yo, you know, saying it did that. And shit. I sent my shit. Then he all ended up sending

his back and I'm like, damn. It was fire. I knew what he did. He went crazy on that shit. That's my thing. I want to, we, I want to fuck with all the spitters that dope niggies, you know what I'm saying? The people who I admire as a MC. You know what I'm saying? Right. Steele, sharp and still. Yeah. That's what's up. Shit. All right. So anything you guys want to shout out anything uh anything you gotta get out before you want to wrap this up we've done we've done our hour it's official oh shit we got that long we got hi and we got out and we didn't

feel like out bitch uh you know we got what was she gonna do coming you know what was sheen gonna do coming you know what I'm saying uh god don't make mistakes con we're here that's going away you know what I'm saying plugs I met in stores right now got that look what I became by the drop that's a thing I got a few pieces coming Like that's an awesome God in stores right now. Get that shit. You know what I'm saying? Real shit.

You know what I mean? Staying busy doing these interviews running around the motherfucking country doing shows, fucking this shit up. I got the fucking plugs I met live at Sony Hall. Hmm. Gonna be crazy. That's crazy. Plugs I met live.

Do you notice that the interviews like- Those horns will be there? They will. Oh, that's fire. I want to see that. Yo, do you notice like when you go like do DJs? do DJ Vlad. Like, you notice that you, like, get more fans and shit from people just fucking with you

from that shit. Because, like, I had always, like, heard you guys a little bit and shit, but then I watched that interview that he did with you, and I was just all of a sudden, like, way more tuned into, like, you as a person. It's, like, kind of an interesting way to get fans by going out there and doing that, you know? You gain fans and notoriety from different things, you know what I'm saying? That's what anybody who's, like, in an entertainment business from sports or anything, you might not even like a basketball, nigga.

You might see it after. After a post-game interview, he's like, oh, he's a-hike. That's my guy now. Real shit. You're like, he's right. You know what I'm saying? And then you tuned in to him. Yeah.

I'm saying. So, yeah, we go through that. And like we was talking about earlier, it's just different steps you take in all that's part of the steps that you take for anybody to know that. I'm saying, Gregiseld is the doper shit out. Saying that we're going on a run. Fax. There it is.

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