No Jumper - The Big Sad 1900 Interview: Getting Locked Up at 12, LA Gang Politics in Music & More

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm in here with one of the hottest up-and-coming L.A. Underground artists in these streets. Appreciate that. Big sad, 1900. How you feeling, man? I'm good, man. I'm just chilling, man.

Viving, you know, just working. Yeah. No, I'm definitely a big fan of what you got going with the music and everything. And it's been, it's pretty dope. Honestly, I've been, like, keeping an eye on it for, like, six months. And I've seen you make a lot of progress and just, you know, taking big steps. And I feel like you got some star power. And I feel like you definitely are going to be a,

a name that people are going to be talking about in LA for a minute now. Appreciate that, man. That's what I plan out to do. You know what I'm saying? It's my favorite rapper Nipsey. So I'm with taking the slow grind if I got to. Interesting. You know what I'm trying to really just building my catalog all the way up.

Yeah. That's interesting. That's the first thing that comes to mind when you talk about Nipsey because that very much was, you know, like the people knew about him for like 10 years. You know, even if, but he still was like basically about to take a big step in his career. and he had been just progressively steadily building this brand, this personal brand around himself. And I think that that, in a lot of ways,

he was super early on that. Because you see a lot of artists now that sort of, they realize they don't need to have a big smash hit. They just need to build themselves and make this business around themselves. Definitely. I was young. I was a juvenile hall.

I had graduated. When I was in there, I had got my credits early. And I stumbled across the computer. I'm like, damn, that shit was just so raw. I'm like, this shit hard. So I watched, I watched his grind from, like, way back. You feel me? When he was, like, still dissing hoods in LA and shit. And I noticed he switched it up and you see the growth and he, from every, you feel me? Like, I respect

Nipsey. Like, it's like, it's love all the way. Yeah, it is pretty crazy. I've had people send me clips before. I'd be like, you know, Nipsey used to be saying this about these people and saying this. That's growth though. You look at them later in his career and that didn't really exist so much. That's growth. And then everybody out here love him. Everybody love Nipsey. That's how I'm trying to be, though. Like, you feel me? If you listen to my music, it's going to be growth. Like right now, I'll be dealing with a lot of different things,

so I might say certain stuff. It's real life, though, it's reality. But it's going to be growth with it as I keep going. Right. I don't do no dissing and that type of stuff. I did notice that. You don't seem like you really get into the negativity of that. I might have a song where I'm, like, addressing something like that,

but not too much. I don't really. I just, for the most part, I like to make music. You know what I'm saying? Right. I mean, that's the difference between, we all know rappers who deal with, their issues with rappers, but they do it in a very vague way, where they'll just say

shit where the streets will know what they're talking about, but the average listener is not going to know. But whereas now the game has changed to the point where people just, let's name the exact street, your brother got killed here. Fuck him. He's a bitch. Your mom's stupid, et cetera, et cetera. It's like, the shit is so specific that it feels crazy now.

It's a different generation. I felt like, you feel me? Like, it's wow. You feel me? So I grew up listening like Tupac. It was still like, it was still gangster though. Yeah. Tupac was saying some wild shit too.

But you would never know what people on the street he was beefing with. Although like later on, later in his career, he started to get messier and messier, to be real. Yeah, Tupac was on some gangster shit. He made good songs too, though. He had some songs like, Dear Mama. It was like the music was still there, the good music. He didn't get too caught up in just the, you know, just making it about just beef. That's why I never want to do.

I live a real life where I'm dealing with real shit. Right. But I don't even want to... You feel what I'm saying? Did you watch the hip-hop uncovered shit on Hulu? No, I can get to catch that. I recommend it. Because, like, one of the things that it's crazy that they draw attention to is that

Haitian Jack was like a street dude that Pock had problems with. And Pock actually called him a snitch on a record, but then the record didn't come out until after Pock died. So now you got, like, a real street dude that apparently has done all kinds of crazy shit that he's talking about. I heard about Haitian Jack. I heard Tupac about him a lot. And then he gets called a snitch, but he can't, like, you know, what do you do?

Like, if a rapper made a song calling you a snitch, you lose your fucking mind. You got to do something about it, but, like, he passed and then the song comes out. Then the song came out. Ooh, that's crazy. Kind of bugged out, right? Yeah, man. I don't know. Um, so La Siena Heights.

Yeah, Los Angeles Heights. That's where I'm from. Tiny a little bit. Corner Street. Yeah, what was your upbringing like over there? Man. Just, it was cool. For me, for the most part, like, you know, I did everything as a kid, like, shit that a regular kids do.

And then, you know, you still gotta walk out your house and see you the gangs, the drugs being sold. And as I got older, it was like, I couldn't just lean on my people for money. You know what I'm saying? So that's when the hustling came, the selling dope and falling into street activities as a kid, you know? Jail came with that. Right. So was that shit just like right out there in the open to you when you were like a young kid,

where you were already sort of getting an idea of what the streets were and realizing that this was happening all around you? Definitely. because I grew up, I got big brothers. Like, both of my big brothers is currently doing time, like on serious charges. You know what I'm saying? So, like, first thing, I'm seeing that hand first.

I got big brothers and then my dad, too. My dad, part of my gang, you know what I'm saying? So it was like a family thing, you know what I'm saying? But I always had my own mind to do something different. But it was like, you know, it's like being in an environment, and you're going to have to adapt to that environment and everything going on. But I always had a mind, like I wanted to do something else and do music and shit. but for the time being, I was catching them cases and growing and having to do with what I was dealing with.

You know what I'm saying? Do you remember when the conversations that you're having with your dad started to change in a sense of like, I feel like there's up to a certain point with your kid, you just want them to be a good kid. And then at a certain point, you maybe have to start explaining the streets to them or explaining, like, daddy was doing this. And maybe it was not a good thing or a nice thing for daddy to do, but he had to do it. Like, like, do you remember when that sort of started to become something that was blossoming in your mind? I feel like, with my pops, I feel like, with my pop, I felt like, shit.

Like, he kept it real from just the day. Because he was already in prison, you feel me? So when I met my pops, I was already deep in. Oh, okay. He already can, it was, it wasn't even, though, going back when I finally first met him. You didn't meet him until what age? I was probably like 12, 13. And he was locked up your whole childhood?

He was in and out of prison. I grew up with my grandparents, my grandma, you know, my grandpa. Wow, that's so interesting. So where was your mom? How did that unfold? Mons was in the streets, too. She was in our prison. Really?

Yeah, so, yeah. Life was like, you know, I was with my grandparents and shit, basically growing up and shit. Then as I got older, pops was always tapped in. They was always tapped in, though. Moms, I get phone calls, they'll visit here and there and shit like that, you know? So do you think your grandparents had a hard time sort of understanding what you were

going through or understanding? Because, like, you know, when there's that big age gap. That's how I was about to say. The age gap, definitely. My grandpa, he was in the army. So he was strict. He didn't go for nothing. Like, it's like you're going to school, you're going to get up. Like, you're going to get up out of here.

You ain't no laying around here, none of that, you feel me? So you think that that had a good impact on you? Do you think it made you more of a hustler? Or do you think that you sort of rejected that and went in a different direction because of that rigid structure that you sort of grew up in with him? I think, and I think it was going to be what it was going to be. Because you still got to walk out the dough. and where you going to school, niggas, where you're from?

You know what I'm saying? You get, you get tired of like being looked at as like, see, out here, you know the gang culture out here. So when you gang banging out here is groups and shit. So you get, motherfuckers will be mad, dog. You get tired of just, you got to, you become one of them. You get to ask them up where you from. Right.

You know what I'm saying? You where you from? You get to, you become a lion now. Where you from? You feel me? Yeah. Shit like that. Definitely.

I remember when I didn't really get that. I had a close friend when I first moved to Long Beach. This is dude Gabe Brooks, who actually passed away a few years back. But, like, you know, it would blow my mind because we would be out riding bikes and stuff. And then I would realize that, like, all of a sudden, him and, like, some other dude were, like, doing the where you from shit in their face and stuff. And I'm, I'm like, that just looked like a normal guy to me. And I, like, I'm sort of, like, looking at him. I'm like, oh, nah, that's like, that guy's, like, in the streets.

It's like they have a reason why they have some kind of conflict here. They could tell that they're both from somewhere. And that's just, that must be a weird-ass thing for you to get used to at that young-ass age. Yeah, yeah, I hear it's like, I was in Memphis though, too. That's crazy because me and my boy, Steve, we was in Memphis. And it's like, I got to stare down like that. I thought they only did that out here, though. Right.

You know, Matt, they're just extra. Sort of weird posturing shit. It's the way from. It's like how we greet ourselves out here in Kelly is crazy. like in LA like how we greet ourselves it's like we don't do that how you doing my name witty wooo for as the gang shit we like where you from bro you feel me i'm wuti woo from you know what i'm saying yeah all right bro it's like that's like that's like how you say how you doing like in my name wutty wud it's crazy you know i know and it really it says a lot about

the culture that people talk about l.a like it's so laid back and everybody's all friendly and shit but the people are really from here that there's like shit is so territorial that they need to like do this little song and dance to like establish that dominance first to just see who like to it like basically allows you to decide if the person that you're talking to is on your level or like respect figure out the respect and that's like with the music i'd be um i'll be i'll be wanting to be like you know i'd be one like me personally i'll work with anybody i don't be tripping off the the gang shit but i know how it is out here we're serious about gang banging so it's like but me i'm my own man so i stand on my own too right but i'm my own man so i stand on my own too right but i'm like

I know how it is. Like, you know, it's just different on here, you know? That's interesting, though, because you see a lot of, you see that situation come up quite often where a rapper will get to a certain level and want to just be working with all kinds of different artists. And then, like, the younger people from their hood will be like, no, like, you can't be working with so-and-so. Like, they don't get along with us, yada, yada. I've seen that happen multiple times. You seem like you're getting ready for it in advance.

I feel like people, I feel like anything you don't understand, you're not going to like, like, I've done, it's a lot of stuff I've done that people didn't understand. They're not going to like it. Right. But if you understand it, like, that's you and your boy, you might explain certain things to your boy, so he has a, he has an understanding more than, and other people you might not want to explain it to them.

Right. So it's like, it's all about understanding. Like, a lot of people, when they come to understanding out here, that's how a lot of shit go left when people don't have an understanding. Totally. That's really how a lot of it should be about here. That's what the gang shit really is about, is like creating an understanding

so that people will be able to get along by like sort of like creating unity between different areas and stuff but then ultimately there's like a negative side of that too because then there's got to be there's got to be people who don't get along right the music shit good though because it's helping it out though like you see you do see a lot of um L.A like we came far like you do see a lot of different artists working with each other I guess it is like that though I wish it get better though like you feel me be more lit but you know what's the interesting thing about it is that the like basically like a hood needs to produce a big popular rapper like I could think of multiple hoods in LA that basically like now are cool and are like sort of on some

industry shit and they get along with people and they're working together and stuff but it would not have happened unless they had an artist blow up from their area because a lot of times clicks don't really want to work with each other or don't want to have anything to do with each other unless it makes sense business wise and it'll never really make sense business wise unless you have a star rapper, right? Yeah, that too. It could be that too. Or it could just,

it can be some real nigga shit. You know what I'm saying? It just depends. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't even be feeling that's crazy. Honestly, like, I'll be rapping. You know, I'll start rapping and go legit,

but I don't really be feeling like no rapper. Like, you feel me? But I'll be out sometimes and somebody might run up on me like, what's up big sad. I'd be like, you know, I don't be nothing if a nigga about the bang on me with, like, what I'm saying?

So I'm still, I'm still adjusting to just the whole lifestyle and everything, you know? 100%. No, yeah. You'll get used to it, but also, like, it'll keep getting more and more overwhelming

as your star power grows bigger, you know? Yeah, and I'd be feeling like, I ain't that big, because I'd be like, damn. I'm like, imagine this shit get bigger. That's one thing I know I'm going to have to get used to being out just taking pictures and being on camera more,

because I always just been to myself. Like, you hear my music, it's a lot of pain than my music. Definitely. Like, I live, like, a real life, so I'd be, I don't even got no pictures on Instagram like that, you know what I'm saying? Right.

Why is that? You seem like you keep that pretty modest. I'm just to myself. I don't be like in a, you know what I'm saying? I'll be dealing with shit. Everybody's doing something. I'll just deal with it different. I don't be wanting to be seen. Just kind of going my own little road and shit, sit my lean. But so how do you make sense of that, though, with like you being that kind of person, but then also trying to be a rapper where it's like you basically are only successful as a rapper if you have millions of people that are paying attention to you, you know? Yeah. That's crazy because I do keep. rapping and shooting videos. That's one thing I'm always going to keep doing this shit.

It's just the Instagram shit. I got to like, somebody going to have to eventually like, you know, start working my shit. You know what I'm saying? It just doesn't pop into your head to look at that throughout the day? What? To look at Instagram. Because I feel like I know a ton of people who literally are just flicking through Instagram all day.

That's all they ever do. Sometimes and that's what I don't like. That's why I'd be like, nice thing. Cool. I could be in a studio doing some music and really doing something with my time. You feel? Definitely. So who gave you some of the game in terms of what it was going to take for you to get your career off the ground?

When did that start popping up your head and who gave you that confidence? Shit, man. YouTube feedback, Instagram feedback, my hummys. Really? I was just going to do one song and get back to what I was doing. You feel me? What was the one song? No hooks.

Shoot the video. Me and my boy, we was going to shoot it, drop it. I didn't really think too much of it. You know what I'm saying? What was the motivation for you? doing that one song though you're just fucking around or do you have something to say yeah i was trying to i was trying to get up on some holes you know i'm saying excuse my language but i was trying to knock something you feel me go crazy yeah like i'm in the streets i'm trying to you know i don't know

i'm just like i'm not thinking i'm not thinking like people gonna be like what's how to the mixtape i'm like mix tape i'm like i ain't even think that far out like about no mix tape you know but you were really thinking like damn if i if i have one hot song on you two that could help me out these girls are gonna be fucking with me yeah i'm like man i'm about to i'm like i need this need to be said i'm i'm gonna say this like what i'm gonna say this like what i'm what I was saying in that song, no hooks. I'm like, this need to be sad. I'm going to say this dude.

I'm not thinking about nothing else. Yeah. After that, they talk about, I got one song. They like, more of music. I'm like, what? More of music. So now I'm thinking like, damn, mixtape. Oh, yeah, I got to get to work.

That's crazy because I've talked to so many people who basically started rapping because somebody else diss their hood or diss them or diss their friend. Nobody's honest enough to say, I was trying to make some girls appreciate me. Man. I ain't going to lie. shit man be like i see i'll be seeing a lot of cities they do be going back and forth with their

little wars and shit oh yeah that's one thing i think it's kind of fascinating that la is sort of like immune to that like la just doesn't really now and then i always wanted to i always wanted to speak from my side too though because we ain't have nobody like from west delay where i'm at we had rappers but like i'm trying to take this shit far like you know what i'm saying right i'm trying to really be in this shit definitely so okay you do that one song and then what will the feedback from that that made you want to keep going with it. Man, they were saying I'm raw. Shit like that.

I'm just like, yeah, I ain't never really been too hyped on comments, though. So to me, I'm just reading it. I'm thinking, like, whatever. But I'm looking at the views, though. And I'm like, damn, that shit kind of like, I'm like, damn, I did $30,000 in like a month on a brand-new YouTube channel. Just no, has zero subscribers. I'm just thinking like, damn.

I was only trying to do $5,000. You feel me? Right. So when I started doing 30,000, I'm like, damn, this kept going and going, and it hit 100,000. I'm like, all right, I'm going to start. You feel me? That's when I'm like, I can do music.

Fuck it. I'm going to start doing that. Where were you at in your life before that? Were you just, like, purely in the streets? Yeah, like, for real, every day in the streets, you know? Not like just, yeah, really fucked up in the streets, but not fucked up just, you know, ups and downs. I might have went to jail, get out,

be house and have a little money, catch a case, you know how the street shit go. And I seen Meek, that's what it was, too. It was the ups and downs for me. In the streets, I didn't have had money, and then I'd have been down flat broke. And I didn't have money, and I'd have been down flat broke. So then I seen Meek Mill get out of jail in the helicopter. I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, that shit was just crazy to me. I'm like, bro, I got to start doing something. I'm like, I got to start rapping. Like, it's something I got to do. Like, this street shit just ain't it. You feel me? Yeah. I'm like, I can't be doing it.

I got kids and shit. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Yeah. No, I mean, there's a certain way you act when you don't feel like you don't feel like you can change your life and make your life better. And then there's a certain way you act when you really realize, like, I can actually, like, change my environment. I can really change the shit that I'm doing on a day-to-day basis. Like, was there anything in particular that happened to you while you were locked up that made your mind start to change?

Yeah, like my whole life. I got a brother that's in jail for a case. He's doing 30 years for something. I know he didn't do. Really? Yeah. I know for sure he didn't do. So it's just my whole life situation.

I'm like, I got to change everything around me. You feel me? Like, how I grew up? It's people surprised that I'm even, that I made it. Like, you know what I'm doing? And they see what I'm doing and trying to make away and changing. Muckuckuckin' surprise about that, you know? Just because people don't really make it from where you're from?

They know how my family is, how we grew up, me and my brothers. They know, like, how my dad is and just how we work, you know, how we living. like talking about six in the morning the P.O. crash got the whole block lined up me and my grandpa outside on my grandpa, my brothers everybody lined up on the yard

doing raids and like that was like you feel me that's like constantly we dealt with that growing up like So you've seen your your neighborhood or your house get raided like mad times as a young? That was all, like we all on probation. Think about it.

Me and my brothers, we all live in the same house just three of us. All gang members. We all are on. And my little cousin. And they can just run up in. And we're all on probation. And search the shit.

One day they come in for him. Next Tuesday they come in for him. You feel me? And then the next week they come in for him. Did your mind stay over time just sort of start to get used to having that kind of relationship with the law? Like just constantly feeling like that's what made me mad. Like I started to get angry. Like they got my grandpa.

Like I wasn't tripping about me and my brothers because it's the lights that we chose. I'm like, I got my grandpa out here six in the morning. Like that type of shit. Like, you feel me? Like, these people crazy. Damn. That's fucked up. For sure.

So you first got locked up at 16? How were you getting locked up when you were really young? I was 12. 12. And you got locked up for what at that time? I got locked up for burglary, GTA. But look, when you young, they let you go from the police station. Yeah, I called a burglary.

They let me go. They gave me a court date. to appear. Bam, then I call the GTA. It let me go. Give me a quirt date to appear. Then one day I was just walking home. And I was drunk.

I used to drink 2-Elevens when I was young. I used to be like, you feel me? Gang banged out, 2-Elevens and just... 12? 12 with the 2-Eleven. Yeah, crash pulled up on me. I'm on the block. They try to take me home, but I'm resisting.

You feel me? And somehow, I don't know. Long story shirt, we get to my house, though. And, like, I'm drunk, and they say I fired on them and bent them up. I don't know. They said I did something, but I ended up on the floor. You know, they roughed me up a little bit,

and they booked me. In that time, they didn't let me go. Yeah. They took me. I was like 13, and I already had the mother charges pending. It was over a lot. You feel like I did 13 months from there.

I was like, I got out and I was like 14, 15, about to be 15. What was it like being locked up at that age? Like, what kind of shit do they have you doing on a day to day? I was in Central East Lake. Shail, we, it's a jail in the cell all day. You feel me? They'll let you all. You play basketball.

You might do rec, watch a movie, get a phone call. But for the most part, you and your cell, you feel me? Yeah. Did you, like, the thing they always say is, like, that people basically get into that environment, and they just end up being around mad, bad kids, like, kids that are way worse than them. I was already bad. I don't think it got no more. I didn't thought, you know, got no worse to me.

I was that. I was on something I didn't did it I carried everything you know I was in it I had big brothers so it's like whatever they was already older than me doing things so it's like you know how that go you feel me and I mean because I was just with wonder how bad could a 12-13 14 year old be like even in prison shit I guess they could be pretty damn bad though huh I was in there with I got I got homies that was in there 13 with neck tats face tats you know 13 you know people were people talking about having bodies in there and shit or is that They're still too young.

Having bodies, they'd be booked with bodies. Really? They'd be 13-year-olds in their charge with murder. What the fuck? Talking about it like it's normal? Nah, they don't be talking about it. People don't really get to be speaking. They don't speak on it.

They just, you know, you know what everybody. Everybody know what everybody in there for. You know what I'm saying? It'd be like that. Damn. So, okay, you get home from that. And then, like, are you thought of differently after being locked up for that period of time, like in your neighborhood and stuff?

Or how did things change up to that? I got out with like 14 and 15. I never really stayed out though as a juvenile. It was just constant back and forth. I went right back. Probation is like that shit like a setup. You feel me? Yeah.

That's why as an adult I never wanted to be on probation. Right. Like fuck that. Because they're not going to be able to avoid getting locked up again, right? Definitely. That shit. I went to jail. They violated me.

I went to Fairfax High School. Oh, what? They came in my classroom. Hold on, what was this? I had blue chucks on and a white t-shirt. Uh-huh. The blue laces. My P.O. came and got me out of class.

Because you were dressed like that, or really? I had to check in at the high school. They had my P.O. on campus at the time. Mm-hmm. Wow. That was a violation. Why are you going to Fairfax? That's where I grew up at in the area, West of Lake.

Okay. Pico, Cadillac, you know. Oh, so I didn't. You got a choice to go to Hamilton or you got a choice to go to Fairfax. I would have thought Fairfax was way too far away, but I guess not. Okay. What was it like going to school in a fucking area like that where there's just all this lit shit?

Shit. All my homies went there too, though. So it was like, it was regular. But at the same time, I went to jail. Look, when I caught that charge, when I was telling you just about when I was 13, I got out, I missed ninth grade. Right. That was eighth grade.

I went to jail. I missed the whole ninth grade. So when I got out, I was already in 10th grade. I checked in. All my homies was already going there. It was like, whatever. I always used to think about that because we have the store right around the corner and be thinking like that's so crazy that kids are really like going to school around the corner from my store, around the corner from Supreme. Yeah, right there.

For me as a kid, I mean, you could have drove like an hour and you could maybe go to like a fucking decent store that you want to go to or something. But like, you know, there's not like a bunch of cool stores with people smoking mad blunts outside or all this shit. within like a couple minute walk like that i couldn't i don't know what i would have done with that temptation as a kid i don't remember it being that lit though how it is now for some reason i don't know i don't know if my mind was just because maybe i was only there for a little bit and i kept going back to jail yeah but the time i was over there i don't remember like mail road being that lit i'm pretty sure it always was though it's just me i probably wanted just to get back to the hood so i didn't really even be up and down melrose soon i'll be jumping the gate 12 o'clock even early

you feel right i mean i guess you have to be like tapped into a certain extent to really like even give a fuck about like the supreme store like what the like my mind look when i was a kid i didn't know about i didn't care about no designer i just wanted to gang bang it's so dope right you feel me that's all i wanted to do yeah have a gold rope you feel me gold chain or some shit you feel me definitely um so you you you say that you just kept running it up and sort of losing it then and that that that just kept happening to you over and over like what were your actual hustles that you had going on and like how close was like the closest that you felt like you came that got fucked up to fucked up

how close was the closer you came to like actually feeling like you made it in terms of like doing something for yourself streetwise because you're saying that like it just kept not working out over and over and I was pretty I'm just interested I didn't have I didn't have a Porsche 550

I didn't have condos I did a lot of shit in the streets you feel me wow really yeah I didn't do some things you feel me and it's like um but I'm still a gang member so gang banging and dealing with lawyer fees and dealing with everything I had to deal with. I didn't been flat broke.

You know what I'm saying? Really? That's what I said when I, I seen Meek Mill get out of jail in the helicopter. I'm like, man, all rappers get out of jail and they still got money. Like, they'd be up. You feel me? I'm like, what is it? I'm like, what is it I can do?

Mm. Definitely. Did you, have you managed to, like, figure out the business side of being a rapper yet? Like, what are your thoughts on how that looks to you right now? Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, I really don't. I really ain't got into like, what you mean? For as me, signing a rapper or as me? No, just like making money off rapping. Like, I feel like there's a bunch of things that are starting to probably work for you, but, you know, I'm interested in like how you see that because, you know, it's like you have to get to a certain level as a rapper before you can really start making the kind of money that you can maybe be making on the streets a little bit more easily. But obviously, that comes to a ton of risk. I just got the passion for it. I think I just don't even be thinking tripping off the money. I feel like it's going to be. come I just put all I put my passion into the music and I just like I always wanted to do it like

I feel like eventually I'm gonna get paid but I don't think about the money I just go you know what I'm saying definitely do you feel did you try to make like a sort of specific uh separation from your your old life in a way because the more famous you get as a rapper if you're doing anything illegal on the side obviously it's going to put a bigger and bigger a target on you right yeah honestly I mean, I don't, I just, I'll be getting $2,500 for a verse. That's what really got me, like, on some rap shit, like, what? That's one of the first things that you can do as a rapper. Like, before your YouTube checks or your streaming checks mean anything, you could, you could sell a verse, right?

What? I'm like, they want to give me $2,500 for a verse? Right. Like, that right there alone. I'm like, bro, I'm like, all right, I can do this. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to just keep rapping. I'm going to stick to rapping. And then, you know, I did the distribution with Empire.

Yeah, so I got, I get my little streaming checks. and I can see it going big because I'm paying attention to the numbers and like I'm paying attention to the analytics and shit and all that you know what I'm saying? The growth keeps going The growth is I'm already yeah this shit can do something definitely

um is there any artists in particular like in L.A. that you've kind of seen their hustle and you're like you know what that that's where I can be at is there anybody in particular like of this generation that sort of inspired you a little bit in that regard Nipsey? Mm-hmm. I watched Nipsey growth.

Like, and that's a nigga, I feel like, see, I mean, I don't know how everybody else upbringing be. I don't really, I never really paid attention to too many other rappers, but I watch Nipsey. I'm like, I'm like, I feel like he a gang member and I'm a game member. So I always watch that like, damn. See how far Nipsey could go or other gang members, even Snoop, just different. You found me? I'm all right, bam. This shit can go far.

Definitely. Not even just saying because I'm a game member. Because I always like, you know, they put that stereotype on that, a gang member, like he, you know, he's a game member. he killed still and that's not every game member you feel me Nipsey is like a perfect example and it's heard another like

we all don't we might just be thrown in the environment we all not thinking like kill kill Rob still you feel me we just trying to get up out of it you feel me I'm like the earliest versions

of gangs are supposed to be like sort of community organizations you know a lot of that is where it comes from is like the idea of sort of creating organizations within your community to sort of keep people in line And you see that in a lot of different walks of life.

But it's interesting how so often the only time you ever hear about gang shit is when it turns criminal or violent. Yeah, like you got a lot of, even today, you got a lot of OGs who do a lot of good shit. But it don't really get noticed like that. You get me? But like, let one of these young cats go do a murder. They're going to have it. You feel me? Going viral.

all on Instagram pages and all type of shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Like we just interviewed Big You and he's doing all this community organization shit and all this stuff. And that's somebody who's like clearly trying to make a change. Do good things for the community. Make sure that all these like gangbang kids know that they have a choice to go in a different direction. Yeah. But, you know, do you ever really hear the media talk about the fact that you was doing that with this time?

Not really because it's. They only going to talk about the negativity. You know, peace is boring to people. War is interesting. You see that with, and I paid attention to that too, though. I'm like, I can't be that type of rapper before I start rapping. I knew those different lanes you can take. I'm like, I'm like, man, I got to be myself.

I can't do all the extra doubt trying to be who I'm not. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, that wouldn't be real. Definitely. The other day I was watching a, like, a hood vlog in Florida, and they were talking to these dudes who are from, you know, a gang and a neighborhood or whatever. And they were just kind of like, nah, yeah, like, you know, we used to have problems with this side and this side and these people over here

but you know shit is cool now like we all kind of have an understanding we all get along yada yada and I was just thinking I'm like that's that's amazing but that also like is something I'm so not used to hearing anyone say when they talk about their gang shit

because it's like if you're if you are from a neighborhood and you're not beefing with other people then it's almost like you're not even in a gang. Nobody really want war though like that because people want money so it's like you know you got some young cast like something might crack off and it might happen but for the most part it's like we we know what it is but who we got families defeat too though so it's like in reality it's like everybody a lot

of people got kids right so you got you live in this area where all this gangbanging going on right you got kids do you really want you want the other side to really come over here shooting where your kids at where your kids got to play at so for the most part you're going to try to keep it cool right you know what I'm saying but sometimes it'll go there where you just it has to be what it is but for the most part you will try to keep it cool especially if your kids is in that area your mom go to the grocery store right here and your auntie live right there too

you feel me right so it's like your cousin you gotta think about your family members and nobody really want to go to war like that because if they did this whole city would be like upside down if people really wanted to go to war but it's more about money you get what I'm saying that's the thing when I heard that kid from Florida say that I was almost like wow he just said

something that most rappers were about. Most rappers would act like they had all kinds of crazy beef and they had shootouts every other week and shit, even if they actually were on some peaceful shit. But, you know, a lot of rappers like that, that's kind of like the gang thing that people want to be a part of is the violence and the idea that I'm crazy. I'm out here bucking at people all the time. And that come from like frustration. That comes from being, because I was like that at one point. I didn't know what to do. That's why I didn't know how to go to a studio and rap or I don't know how to, I I didn't have the money for it was just, I'm about the gang bang.

First car I see if they trip and I'm on them. Like, you feel me? That was my mentality. I didn't know what else I can do. I'm like, what else is it to do? But as I got older, it's like I started doing, I start going different places and meeting different people. And then I can't be stuck in that little box. Yeah.

And seeing outside the box is the big deal. Because like AD, who I do the podcast with and shit. That's my boy. That's the homie. He's like, you know, when I had that conversation with him and I start to realize, like, how into the gang shit he was and how he could have been. And luckily, he just happened to like become cool with a bunch of rappers who were happening to come up

even before he himself had a rap career. And that was like, all of a sudden, he's in clubs, he's in studios, he's around famous people, he's starting to realize, oh man, like, I could have spent my whole life on this block, just beefing with people, like, just arguing with the other side of town, like just doing all this stupid-ass shit. Like, what a fucking waste of time

when I could be out here making money and taking care of my shit and everything like that. I mean, that's a big thing to even just show a kid what's possible because a lot of people, they just genuinely don't understand how to take themselves out of that position, right? Yeah, you got to have a strong mind. That's one thing I tell my little hummies, I'm not the type of person, because I feel like the way I grew up, it was different.

We didn't have, like, you know, it was more gangbanging going on. It was really gang bang. It's gang bang going on now, but you got more, you got YouTube now. You got all type of you can upload your videos and do different things. And you know what I'm saying? So it's different now. You can actually, if I had YouTube when I was growing up, I would have took advantage of that. You know what I'm saying?

Definitely. Like just the idea. But that's what's funny is that, you know, if you, like, are sort of like game banging and songs and putting it on YouTube and putting it out there to people, that's very, like, a lot of people would say that's not really like the root of what that is about because you're sort of putting it on display for everybody to see. Or you're really making art

out of your circumstances that you grew up with and everything. And, you know, it makes perfect sense. That's why I try to lead a game banging out because I feel like that's a whole other... That'd be... I don't like to, like, be too much banging on wax.

You feel me? Right. I try to leave... I fight people nowhere I'm from. You know what I'm saying? It's written on my face. Right. Like, you know, you know I'm from L.A.

If you see tattoos on my face and you... Like, I move, like, how I move. So people are like... I don't really got to do too much talking about it. Like, that's how I'd be feeling. Yeah. If you listen to my music, you're not going to really just hear me saying, Crip and this and that.

You're making it too easy on the cops there. You know? If you're putting your fucking gang in every single song, it's like, you're just kind of asking, you know, you're creating a case for the police to be able to say next time you get caught up, like, hey, look, he's on this song saying he's from here and he did this and yada yada, you know, it's like,

and I'm trying to make a change too. So it's like, I ain't really even into that. You get me? I feel like anything I ever react to is like something I was somebody was poking at me. I don't never just come out and just you know. To be honest with me, I'd be wishing we all can get along. I ain't tripping like, you know what I'm saying? At the end of day it's about money, but it's like who am I though?

I'm just big side. You feel me? So, you know. Definitely. I can only change what I can change with me and what's around me and the people that how do people think with their minds around me, you know? I can't change with the other. other side I got going on me definitely um so on that song las anga hikes you actually you talked about

having a friend who got shot in the head when you were a kid yeah what was that story and how did that affect you because it sounded like it was a pretty big deal to you in that song yeah it was my homie d mac okay and we was kids it's crazy because um i had another hummy died the same day the same day one died at 12 one died at three i went to mount vernon i was in middle school at this time had got kicked out of Emerson I'm going to Mount Vernon at this time by Washington like Crenshaw So yeah

I'm seeing the helicopter as I'm getting out of school And I'm getting on the bus and shit So I get off the bus But as I get to where I'm getting off the bus at It's right by my house I live right here The murder happened The murder or look

The first murder The one with my homie DMA The one that happened Three Streets up and then what happened by my street like literally we talk in our lip stanley orange orange grove you know you know them streets because them streets run by melrose right and they run down where i where i where i grew up at on pico yeah yeah down there so you know what i'm saying stanley orange grove that's where one of the murders happened at orange grove and what happened on

stanley uh-huh you know that's close yeah what happened at 12 won't happen at three but one was a gang related shooting the one on my street done that was my homie tiny p Rest in peace. He died on my street. That was a gang shooting. But then the one with the hummy who I was saying, we don't really know what happened with that one. That's why I didn't say.

I'm like, what happened? I'm like, I'm questioning, like, you know? Right. You never really got any kind of resolution on that. We know what happened with the other one, Orange with my homie DMAC. Damn. He was just shot in the head.

They tried to say, I don't know what they said like too much. You feel me? But we never really figured out what happened with that. Wow. That's crazy. How do you feel that that? changed you as a person like just seeing that much death at such a young age i mean you're probably so used to it that's hard for you to even wrap your head around how out of the ordinary that is

but that's some traumatic shit right there i keep dropping weed and shit my bad man i'm bad you want to roll in these months for me we got this dirty ass carpet that we might swap this carpet out after like six months we might get a new carpet every six months because we got so much crap on her huh they got clean this morning no good fuck this is a big ass Blunt hole right here. I respect it. My bad, man. No, it's cool. I'm bad with blunt. That's the one thing I hate rolling his blunts. I hate them. You hate rolling them? You literally, that's like all you do.

Every single music video I ever seen at you, you're rolling a blunt. At all times. You notice, and that's probably why you always see me because I'll be rolling that motherfucker for 30 minutes. I'm sitting there, like, trying to twist them up. I feel me? I feel like you're the kind of guy who could be, like, rolling up inside the backwood pack, and like if there was a shooting, you're still going to have in your hand. If there was a fucking alien comes, you could be standing in your hand.

That's hot. Hey, look, I lost a shooting happened at my video, $500 in my cup, and I lost a pint of Wildcart. Oh, man. My boy was sick. He was hot. I'm sick. Seal paint, walk cart.

Oof. Everybody started, it was on the floor. You just lost it? I'm performing while I was on the floor. And when the shooting happened, you know, everybody started. Somebody kicked it, picked it up. I don't know what the fuck happened. It was gone.

Right. Seal paint. I ain't never lost it. still a pint. I was hot. I'm like, damn, it's crazy right there. That was a hurt. Bro, one time, someone was shooting a music video in the back of my store, and it was like a white kid, like, trying to be

a rapper and shit, and he had, like, the lean man came. He had, like, five pints, six pints laid out on the car and everything, and the cameraman's filming, and he's walking backwards, and he steps on one of the pints and fucking explodes the shit all over the fucking carpet and stuff or the ground on the asphalt.

And there was, like, a bunch of dudes there, like, real deal, lean sippers and you know how they felt and what they were thinking when they were watching that shit run out on the ground, bro. You're going to spill lean. That's regular for a lean sipper. Like, you got to know that.

You're going to spill your, you're going to tip your cup. You feel me? A little bit. Yeah, I ain't going to lie growing. When I was sipping so much activist, I'll fall asleep on my cup. It'll fall out my hand. I'm falling asleep. That's how much lean I'm sipping.

Like, if you really sipping like that, you're going to fall asleep. Your cup won't fall. You got to expect that. But like just a loser still pink, though. That should have me hot. That's harsh. You feel me? Definitely.

When did you start drinking lean? I started drinking lean. Like really drinking lean? When you tried? I tried it when I was young, but I was like, man, that shit put me to sleep. I didn't want nothing to put me to sleep. I was like 18. I'm like, I don't want nothing that's going to put me to sleep.

When I really started sipping it, though, I was like 20. And I really just got hooked and I'm just every day spending a lot of money on lean. I was sipping it when Activist was 40 in line. Right. You know what I'm saying? back then when it was 25 a line

you can get some activists right and it just switched so I didn't came all the way to the transformations to where we got Trish with Wack

right you know what I'm saying we went from old red to new red I went through all the you know what do you consider like a good normal price

for Lean these days and what's the most you've ever paid because I'd be hearing a lot of 150 align that all that talk that changes everything because it used to be like

Ben Baller posted up a photo of like a hundred sealed pints and said that he spent like, you know, $200 each, $100 each back in the day for a pint, not a line. The game has changed. You're serious. I ain't going to lie. That's crazy that you asked me that all type of numbers just went off in my head.

I can imagine. When you had all type of numbers as well, I'm just like, man, I spent so much money on lien. The most I spent for a line, though, I like, I'll say probably like $2.250. Yeah, $250. Maybe $300 on a Thursday. I might have really like, man, fuck it. They was on, you know what I didn't know who they was? And I couldn't find them or some shit like that.

Probably spent $300 on some shit. Right. You feel me? Activists, I ain't going to lie. When that shit was going on, they was trying to bang people. They was talking about some crazy numbers. I didn't heard anything to say, 600. Right.

That's when activists was going on. It wasn't too many bricks left. Like, you know what I'm saying? Shit like that. But me, I ain't going to lie. I ain't never really sold. I ain't never sold. I always wanted to sit.

Right. Because it helped me with my music. You feel me? And then it helped me with my pain. Now it helped me with my music. But before I was rapping, it just helped me dealing with my pain just to go through my day. How would you describe your pain? Just like all the fucked up shit that'd be running around your head from all the shit you've seen over the years or what?

Yeah, I got a lot going on, man. You feel like me? Just like everybody got some shit going on. Right. You want to hit this? You say? No, I'm cool. I got everybody got a lot going on.

But like, just, man. I think I made my, I made my bed, like, you know? I talk about a lot in my music and shit, like a lot of this shit, like with my kids, my baby mamas and shit, my brothers, my grandpa, just my whole lifestyle. Like, it's not, it's not, and that's why I'm trying to make a, I'm trying to make a, I feel like, your story. Your story going, like, one day they're going to make a, you know, my shit real, they're going to make a documentary on my life one day. You feel me? Because, like, my, even with my music, somebody asked me the other day, they're like, they're like, where you come up with this shit? I'm like, bro, I live this shit.

Like, this is me. Like, it's how I'm living. Like, everything I'm talking about is, like, really how I'm living. I just choose to speak on different beats talk to me different. So I choose to speak on what I want to speak on with different beats. You know what I'm saying? Like, that therapy song I got, I talk about a lot of pain than that because the beat was just like, you know, then you got some, it's just the different beats. Right.

And I got the 500 in my cup songs where I'm just popping my shit. You know what I'm saying? You might still get a little pain. I'm always going to say some real shit That's one thing about me I don't just want to just jump on the Track and just get to say and I'm always going to have either a message about something Or just like some real shit

That that that motherfucker's been dealt with I feel it You get me You know one thing I hear you talk a lot about And your music is how you weren't turning down any fades in prison It feels like that that dynamic made a big impact on you Not just growing up that's a rule in LA

even Juvenile Hall County jail wherever you at that's just a number one rule like ain't no turning down no phase Right You turn it's a You turn down the phase It's like

You're not a like You like they look less of a man Yeah You let a nigga take something from you You know what I'm saying That next thing you're taking your stove You know what I'm saying Take everything from you like

It's mine Did you get that right away When you went in there I'm like I need to defend myself like from the from the very beginning you can't let a motherfucker take an inch you got to be

100% yourself you can't disrespect me you can't say nothing to me because if you let a little bit of that doubt creep in then they're not going to respect you it better be like that if not you're going to be having a hard time right you better be one you basically look

depending especially if you're in the dorm setting don't be in the dorm setting like in the wayside in the dorm and something happened you let everybody in that motherfucker see you just got marked out you know what I'm saying I was just watching the movie on Netflix

that's crazy that you said I was just watching the movie on Netflix about that shit like you gotta I forgot the name of the movie I wish I knew the name I'd tell you but that's some real shit yeah you gotta ain't no getting marked out I see the nigga get his stow took

and when I first hit the county jail I was eight I caught a case when I was 16 for attempted murder aggravated mayhem and I get transferred to the county jail whatever I watched the nigga get his stow took I was just like damn I'm not about to be hungry. Like, I'm going to the hole.

I'm going to be hungry in the hole of anything. You feel me? I'm not about to be right here and y'all about to eat my food in front of me. Nah, we're going to squabble it out. I'm going to get off, whatever. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to be hungry in the hole. Because if anything...

If you let somebody take your food right in front of you, they're going to keep doing it forever. Yeah. And you're not... Your respect is gone, right? You already in jail. Shit, what you got to get cracking. You know what I'm saying?

You already in jail? Shit, what you? Yeah. What's the worst can happen? You know what I'm saying? I respect that for sure. Okay, so like what do you feel like you need to do to progress your career, take your career to the next level?

Like, what is it all about at this point for you? I feel like I need to just get around the right people, the right team. Because I feel like I got the talent and I'm only getting better. So I feel like it could be the right team. I don't got a manager, so it might be me having a manager. I think about all type of shit, but I try not to think about it too hard. I still try to put out the music and just keep going. Right.

Without putting too much thought about what I really need. But I know it's a few things that I need. I need to, you know, I'm going to figure it out as I go. You know what I'm saying? But I know one thing I want to, I got my label I started in 1900. Do you have other artists you're working with? Yeah, West Delay, Stivo. Okay.

Oh, okay. Right here. He on my album, I just put out too. I just put an album out. I got songs with a lot of different artists, though. I was in Detroit, fucking around with Babyface, Ray. Oh, for real? Yeah, I just went to start.

studio Amazi, me, AD, Draco, Cyprus. I heard that song, that sounds hard, yeah. So I'm like, I've been working, I'm just, I got some shit with Shaik, just different artists. I'll be, but for the most part, I really want to build my catalog up, so it's just me. Like, I want to, like, you know what I'm saying? I look at, like, different rappers, I'll be paying attention to their catalogs,

like, then they got a lot of songs by their self. You know what I'm saying? Like, features is cool, don't get me wrong. Like, you know? Right. Because I'm a fan of a fan of a, a lot of these rappers. I like what they doing and how they put on and what they do. I like that

shit. So I always want to jump on a, you get me, jump on the record with them. For the most part, I'm trying to just lock in and focus on my shit. You know what I'm saying? You went to Detroit to meet up with Babyface, Ray? What? It was everywhere. Look, I flew to Miami to meet my boy. We flew to Miami.

From there, we drove to Orlando. We was all like, then what? Where we got to that? Atlanta? Everywhere. Just everywhere between. We stopped in like Memphis and we I was in Memphis and I had did a song with one of my boys when I while I was in Memphis I did a song with an artist from um and he from he from from that way you feel me I want to say Milwaukee Wisconsin he from Wisconsin he knew

Bates Ray he's like man Baysface fucking with that song we did in the Bayface I seen him comment on the state cheese post too before that oh for real he was like yeah big sad hard we got to hear his whole album that's dope I was like yeah I was dope too because I'm like now fuck a Bays face right yeah I've been listening to that niggum way back some that guy had me geek right there when i was talking to yadi on the phone the other day about baby face ray he said man he's number one out of detroit right now Detroit flint whatever he was like fucking he's he's he's number one guy right now i'm like damn that nigga man let's go do it i pulled up on him in the studio it was it was corona like corona

like it was carona had hit hard around that time you feel me when everybody was taking it's so serious that like i remember my girl didn't want me to bring the postmates bag in just like it might have corona on it man it was serious i felt like the world was about the end man I'm like what the fuck going on I'm like the world about the end what this shit wasn't right I just got my rap career off the ground and other world's gonna end bro but then I'm in Miami in the projects and everybody outside you know what I'm so it's like certain person we was traveling we were just hitting state to stay so everywhere we was going it was a different vibe they was outside in Miami and then certain

other states they was inside California out the air body was inside you found I was looking on my Instagram somebody ain't nobody people telling me back home ain't nobody out. Yeah, now that we survived it, we should, I should have just gone to Miami and just been cooling for that year. I stayed in the crib for a whole year. What the fuck was I thinking? I think they shut the beach down, though, over there, if I'm not mistaken. She's still got a mask on. Yeah, it's serious. It was telling us to get off the beach, though, for show. Oh, yeah. I remember that, yeah. For sure, man. Okay, anything else we need to know, anything that Big Saz got coming up that you want the world to know about, or, I don't know. I feel like the people are, they're very drawn to

They want to know what's going on in your world. I got a lot going on, man. I'm just trying to stay out of jail, really, you know? That's number one. You stay out of jail and drop this music and just keep, I'm going to keep dropping. I got this album. I just dropped a couple days ago. Every 90 days, I'm going to be trying to put out of project.

Keep building. Keep building. Videos. I got videos coming. Different shit. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Just working, man, putting it together.

Trying to build with my label, too, 1900. trying to learn that side of the business learn the business side of the game so I can help like I look at yo Gotti how he moved with his artists and then how Rick Ross with his artists so if I can be like that for LA and help out these young cats that's moving around that want to do music it might not know the way to go once I learn how to you know once I figure everything out it's gonna be on I'm just gonna try to put people in position to help motherfuckers they families you know I'm saying everybody got families they trying to take care of so at the

of the day yeah that's my my main thing getting position where i can help everybody where everybody be straight the people around me oh yeah much respect man appreciate you man yeah i like what you're doing and uh i'm definitely like you are one rapper actually that if you like drop a project today i will listen to the project today which is that's that's a rare it's not that many rappers that like i'm gonna listen to you like the day you drop your shit but right now i'm like excited to hear what you got coming out next so that's love man i appreciate that much love keep getting better and better you know so Big said, doing a big for LA.

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