No Jumper - The Blacc Zacc Interview: Spending 800k on Jewelry, Quitting Lean, Gucci vs Jeezy & More

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

Blacc Zacc talks about Gucci vs Jeezy, lean, explains how he managed to differentiate himself from other artists coming from his area and how he signed with a major label. ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today we got the one and only Black Zach in the building. How are you feeling, man? I'm feeling good. What's like, Adam? Shit, I'm just mesmerized by the ridiculous amount of ice that you're currently flexing on my face right now. I can't even get over it.

Yeah, this is a little bit. I ain't even brought it out. I don't like traveling with this shit. Really? You got a lot more at home that's not here for us to see? Yeah, for sure. Way more. So you keep in like a bank vault or some shit, or you're just keeping in the crib?

I heard really rich people. They have to get like a bank to keep their jewelry in. My jeweler keeps most of them. My wife would keep me, he hold it most of them. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what so. How big, how much money you think you honestly spent on jewelry at this point in your life?

Probably like $800,000. But that was way before my record deal. Like, I ain't really touched my record deal money yet, but that was like way before. I've been doing this like three years. Really? Really? Because, okay, that's one thing I got from your music as I've been listening in all your tape. So the past couple days is that you definitely have been.

making money for yourself since what, the age of like 16? Facts. Talk to me about the early days of that, like in terms of how you sort of discovered that entrepreneurial spirit. It really came from like my older brother, like my brother Tony and really just knowing what I wanted out of life. Like I know like when you're in the streets, that shit ain't guaranteed.

So the only thing I seen me doing other than what I was doing was music. So, and I know I always wanted a million-dollar houses. I wanted all the fly cars that was, that's coming out. Like, I wanted all that shit. So I just knew I had to hustle. Whatever I was going to do, I was just going to be good at it regardless.

Okay, so do you feel like you grew up poor or how would you describe the circumstances that you came up in? Nah, hell now. I wouldn't say poor. Like, I was raising the projects, but, like, my mama still made sure, like, like, I had, like, enough to be decent.

But as you get older, shit, you know, you see all the kids. at school with all the every pair of joy in that come out and then you want cars and shit my mom ain't about to buy me no 200,000 dollar car or fifth thousand dollars and shit like that so I had a good idea and do it on my own right did you see her struggling to like because how many brothers and sisters you have I got one brother one brother one sister okay but did you see your mom having to like really work her ass off and like basically not really enjoy her own life because she was working so hard to take care of you guys yeah for sure like my mom I was raised up um

Just by my mom and my daddy wasn't never around. So I always seen her. But she made it look so cool, but I knew something was going on because as I got older, I knew something weren't right. But she always made it look easy. Like, my mom ain't going to complain about shit. Right. Yeah.

Okay, but your brother was how many years older than you? He, like, probably like 10, 10, 20 years old. 10, 12 years old. Oh, shit. Okay. And so he hopped off the porch before you, so you ended up kind of like learning the game from him? Exactly.

Like, me and my brother was just at, Thanksgiving talk about it. Like, I used to, like, just sit there and watch them. Like, it'll be cars running, like, they'll be running up to the cars right when they turn on. Like, because when my grandma stay at, it's like one way in, one way out. So as soon as I see a car coming up,

I see them running to the car. And then, like, my uncle was laughing the other day at Thanksgiving. He was like, somebody asked me what I was doing. I had a handful of rocks. And my uncle was like, somebody asked me, like, what you're about to do it? I was like, I'm about to go sell rocks.

like my older brother. But I ain't knew back there. I just knew, you know, I guess the lingo. You just heard people talking about selling rocks. And you were like, well, I guess I gotta go sell this. Yeah, that's what I'm about to do. That's what I'm on. That's amazing.

Holy shit. No, the one way, like the street that you can, like the cul-de-sac type thing where you can go down the end of the street but you can't come back, that's always a risky type of street, right? One way in, one way in, one way out. Right. Yep.

So your childhood, we were spending a lot of time just sort of like outside. Do you remember when you were started to like really see shit go down your area that made you realize that, you know, there's like that line separating like your childhood and then when you sort of start to realize that the world is a little bit scarier? Um, I mean, I probably realized that like when my, like when one of my closest partners died, like when Jay Jack died from on like a robbery attempt, like that other than the closest thing I seen like to death like and that kind of woke me up. But other than that from the time I go to growing my house to back to my house it was straight hustling like it was always money moves right

it wasn't I wasn't raised around robbers and jackets and shit like that I was raised around straight hustlers okay for so that's what's so but so when when you're out there like walking around with a handful of rocks like when did you start to realize what what the people in your area were actually doing shit once I seen like police is coming picking them up and shit like that I was like when everybody's doing something that ain't you know what I'm saying that ain't that ain't that ain't Right. Do you have like memories of the cops like sort of, you know, being shitty to people in your neighborhood as a kid? Is that like a consistent memory of sort of police brutality or at least just like harassing you? Yeah, the police put me in handcuffs like when I was, I think I was like 13, 14 years old, something like that. Police put me in haircuts because they came on the street looking for like doing their regular routine. I think my brother didn't know the actual police officer name because he used to be there all the time. But I can't think. think her right off my head, but he used to always be on the street, and the boy, like,

the boys just always be in front of my grandma house, so he came, once the police came, I guess they threw whatever they had, and I happened to be in front of the house, too, so they just put everybody under arrest or stuff, but my grandma came out. She was fussing, and, like, y'all better get their hand calls out of my baby and this and that, so they ain't no letting me go. But, like, that shit was to happen all the time. I used to see the police just doing shit all the time. When you think back to those time periods, did you feel like you were meant for something more? Or like when did that start to formulate in your head?

Like, oh, shit, maybe I could be a rapper or an entertainer or do something outside of just illegal activities and whatnot? The rap shit really came like at the high school. Like, somebody told me, like, I got a rapper image. Like, I'd be doing shit, a rapper do. So I just tried it. And it went from, like, my neighborhood fucking with it to the city. to people around the world. And so I'm just trying to keep going with it as far as that.

Right. What was it that they said that, so they said you had a rapper image. They were just referring to the way you were carrying yourself or the fact that you were having things or what? I think it was like all the above, like from the way I carry myself from the things I was having. Like I always had like the, uh, back in the day,

like we used to ride in like, I don't know if they were to do it over here, but we're calling like the old school shit, like the don't see shit with the big rims. Yeah, not so much around here. Yeah, they don't do it. over here no more. We don't do it back at home no more, but back then we just do it like a lot back in the day like, like, 2009, 2010 and shit like that. And I always had like different calls like that. So it was like, she, you're already moving like a rapper. You might as well. Rop. And I tried it. And I just kept

going from now. Did you have anybody that you were looking to for inspiration, you know, being from sort of a small town? It's like that that could be one of the main problems. Like if you're trying to make it as a rapper in New York or Atlanta or L.A., you're going to have, somebody who already kind of knows the game trying to take you and help mold you and then sort of show you what they want you to be doing and everything was it not really like that since you're coming from like a smaller area it's definitely not like that like it's nobody who i can really say musically that i can go to and feel like oh i can go to them and for advice and ain't nobody in calummi like that like i got oj's like roy and and people from north kitalana like carter and all

them who I called them, known the people in like, Arnold, like, OG, like, OJ, Arnold and all them with Craig, those type people, but nobody, like, musically in from Columbia that I can call and be like, I was motivated from them. You kind of just figure it out on your own. Exactly. When did you start to, like, who were the first people that sort of recognize your talent or saw what you had going on and wanted to help support it in any way? I say it had to be, like, like, my neighborhood and my city and then,

but when I, when I had linked with SMG, honored and that's the same label of the baby and all that's signed to it. So once I link with them, that's when everything got organized. Because before then, it was just me and my brother just running around, just spending a ton of money with no real structure.

So, shit, once I got with them, everything got organized and I just, I could focus on being a rapper. Because at first I had to make the music, then I got to focus on how I'm, like, market this shit, promote the shit. Like, I had to do all that shit on my own. But now I just, I made the music and, you know, I still put my input in as far as the other stuff, but I got a team now. Right. But that's interesting because you're talking about

that sort of smaller label that you're assigned to, and you did that many, many years before you signed the deal with Interscope, right? And do you feel like you're sort of gradually giving up more and more control of your career? And is that, you know, as somebody who is a real entrepreneur, or a real hustler, a lot of times, if you just fall back and you're just the artist, I feel like somebody like you is going to not really be satisfied with that in the long term. No, see, I came from the independent ground.

Like, I've been signed with honor. Like, I'd say about a year and a half or something like that. And I've been signed with Interscope for almost a year. And so it was like, okay. Yeah, I did the independency at first, so I just come from there. Like, but the reason I signed it did because it was like, I feel like it wasn't much more I can do on my own.

And me being a hustler, I don't mind giving a person like, you know, a little piece of something to make something. Because I ain't no starving artists. Like, shit, real life, I had at least three M before I even sign with them. Really? Yeah, no cap, at least. So, shit, I'm like, I give a little something for, that get me some structure with this shit. And, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how I feel like.

And then I feel like most people who be talking about they ain't really want to sign with nobody and shit like that. like they be capping like everybody make music to to try to get signed whether the situation if they come at you with some chunk or some or try to take over all your

you know what I'm saying whether it's your own creative ideas or like all your masters and everything where they put you in a bad deal now you got to negotiate that you got to figure I don't want to do that

but you're going to sign a deal if the numbers in the situation is right that's what I feel like the goal is right it's crazy because I see it now where you'll have like a bigger artist trying to sign smaller artists and like the smaller artists have access to so much information now that they don't want to sign they feel like they're going to be able to stay independent for a long ass time build up their hype and then eventually go to a label or go to a bigger artist and sign but now a lot of times i i witness it where they

sort of lose their wave they got like a couple months of hype and you know a bigger artist wants to fuck with them label wants to fuck with them and then that shit just sort of like winds down and that person is left wishing that they probably had pursued one of those deals that they could have taken earlier on. Yeah, exactly. But when you, the SMG it's called, right? SMG. Okay, right. So that's like a Carolina sort of specific thing because when we think about it, like you and the

baby and is there other artists or from that area, they're all signed to that? Stunner. See, we got SMG. SMG, SME, like DM, all that shit like an umbrella. So we got Stunner, you know what I'm saying? He with BDP Baby. me and baby signed to SMG under the same thing my boy Tusi too right yeah Tusi too Tusi too Tusi Bickmally that's my little sister um all this really signed under SMG then you got SCE

Zay leon John Shack they got a whole roster I'd be going all day oh wow okay yeah so it's a lot of shit it's a lot of we got a lot of talent coming out of there that's what's up so did you have you known the baby for a long time and like what's that relationship like um yeah I know baby like way before how turned up he is now like um before I did you know um before I even signed the honor like honor called me and was like he got an artist that he want me to go do some music with so i pulled up and baby was by itself you know what i'm saying like cool dude he was by itself so we did like three four songs then and then like we always kind of like stayed in touch but like i said he was from north i was from south and he was doing his thing like and he went up from there

and like he always showed me to you know what i'm saying the love and respect right because he know what's going on like the world probably don't really know yet but he know like really what's up with me exactly yeah and I mean do you feel though like there needs to be a degree of loyalty in terms of like you guys coming from the same area because he knows how hard your struggle has been trying to make it up out of that area right yeah I mean I feel like you know the relationship is cool but at the end of the day like nobody at all you nothing like he'll owe me nothing So it's like I'm gonna make it happen regardless I don't be too tough

In the complaining sometimes I call Carter And be like man fuck this shit Like I'd be ready to just snap on everybody But then I snap back in And I'd be like man I can't complain like It's on me I just gotta keep grinding And they'll figure it out But like baby he's so he's so low

I can call baby and ask him anything Like for advice or anything Right For sure No I was listening to another interview of yours And somebody was saying that you thought about quit and rap even within the last couple years? Or so?

Because you've been grinding for a long time since like 2010. Yeah, like 2010. Like, just really just putting shit out, just not even knowing what I'm doing, just spending money. I feel like if I make the music, then put an album cover out, and then just pass our CDs. Back then, that's when we were passing our CDs. But I ain't really had no structure, but since I got a team, like, my shit's just been going crazy from there.

Just got signed quick and just been going up from there. Right. What do you feel like the main things that having the team together sort of allows you to do? Like just put out higher production quality videos and sort of, you know, like you could spend so much time marketing your shit. And if you're not doing it efficiently, then you're just going to be wasting time versus like if you have an actual team around you to make sure that you're able to focus on the important things. Right. Yeah. Like, you know, just like playing basketball, you got to have five people out there to win.

But everybody get a W. you don't matter who the star players. So it's like when you got a team, like you can just really, it's all about being organizing, you know what I'm saying? Everybody working doing their job. It's interesting because as I was listening to your tapes, I feel like there's like a change that I was kind of witnessing in your style where it's almost like, you know, you're like a very good rapper

and you're talking a lot about street stuff and everything. But then in your more recent stuff, I feel like there's almost something that's sort of a switch that flipped in your head where you were like, I need to be more introspective. I need to give them more like real shit, more relatable shit versus just sort of giving them like the flexing and like, you know, that kind of thing. Like is that something you consciously thought about?

Yeah, I'd be trying to be versatile. Like me and Zay was just sitting in the truck talking. I'd be trying to like put like different songs where I put like a melodic song, something with me kind of like singing or something with me like just doing something for the girls. Like I just try to do different shit. because they're going to try to put you in the box.

But, like, my labor, like, be coming at me like, man, you got to show struggle, but I'd be like, how to hell? How the hell I'm supposed to do it? Like, it's either with me, you either going to like me, or you don't like me, you either going to take this shit as motivation or be like, oh, he's trying to flex. I ain't flexing on nobody.

I'm just giving you my story. If you can't feel my story, then the story ain't for you. Like, a nigga won't rich his whole life, but I can't remember when a nigga was broke. It's like, I always knew I wanted to hustle, whether I had, $500 when I was little to having $50,000 when I was 16, 17. Like, I just knew I wanted to hustle.

So I can't speak for the struggle when I ain't struggling. Like, I ain't going to tell you, like, that the struggle, not real or something like that because, like, I don't taste it, but I wanted to come out of that shit. I'm going to tell you that you can come out of this shit. Like, if you put it in your mind and you put your hustle to it, you can come out of it. Yeah, so I thought it was interesting that you were willing to let the people know on your album that that's what the label would be. trying to tell you because it's like so take me behind the scenes there like is that like a like what other

things are the label trying to tell you or trying to give you advice and shit like because it must be kind of strange for you to have to even think about it like that because on one hand you could just be yourself on your music and just be yourself 100% or you could kind of be open to that sort of thing and I mean that changes things a lot once you start to realize like I have a base of people out there and I'm I need to sort of think about what they want versus just being. and 100% myself. It's like, that sort of changes things a bit. Yeah, it do changes, but it's like, you got to, you know what I'm saying?

Even when I talk to, oh, baby, he was like, but just keep doing what got you here. You know what I'm saying? Some people don't understand it. Like, some people don't come from the streets, saying, but they're going to get hip-in' on. So she's like, yeah, that's the only thing the labor really be talking about is like Sean Scroger. I'd be like, I hear you, like, I'm going to make songs like, though. I probably switch it up a little bit, but it's like, yeah.

I'm gonna let you know if you grind and hustle, you can be out of here bowling. Like a low key with it. Right. Yeah. Well, that's like one of the other challenges as artists is that like a lot of times people might want to hear about stuff that to you is ancient history.

You know, like a lot of rappers are really talking about shit that they probably ain't done in 10 years, 20 years. Like some of the biggest legends in rap, somehow still have to like go back into the bag and try to think about, you know, like selling fucking pills when they were 18 or some shit that they, you know, it's distant fucking history but still like our biggest heroes

get on the track and do that when it comes time to do it. Yeah, because that's what the young, like, that's what the young thing is still out there doing. Like, they're still in the trap. So, like, if you can't touch those people, like, you know what I'm saying? You ain't really doing nothing. You ain't really touching the people.

How you think you was like, you probably made a song to get up out of there, but eventually you're going to have to come back and touch the people. Definitely. on. So I saw you when you were leaving LAX that you got right into the Rolls Roy's truck or whatever. Like is that really important for you to like when you pull up to a city that you got to be moving right? Like do you feel like that's an important part of sort of like your brand in terms

of who you are? Like what makes you want to stunt so hard? I'm somebody. Even where I'm at in life, I'll still get like $100 a day rental car. I wouldn't even think to like, you know, go flex on people like that i'd be i'd be losing my license all the time you know when you need a god damn when you're out of time you'd be needing license to go rent the cars but i'd have been renting like like exotic cars so long like you can go look on a vlog back probably like 2014 when i was in miami rent cars and i don't ever try to add like them my shits because i got them same cars back at home so right i don't be i don't be trying to flitz like i'm like this my shit it is weird when you see fans comments and like oh he rented that and it's like he's on the other side of the country

What the fuck would he have done to get his car? And I'm still active in my comments. I ain't that. You know how some rappers be so big. I ain't even coming back. I'm gonna come at your head back. Like, yeah, this is a rental, but I got this shit at home. Yeah, for sure.

That's how I'm moving for sure. Like, it is what it is. Has that been odd for you, like, being that you've been rapping for a long time, like in terms of having to adapt to social media and stuff, were you like a person who always just naturally took to social media? Or is that something you had to learn to promote your music? Yeah, like that was my main.

problem probably out of the whole time me doing this like you got to really be an entertainer like I'd be so like in trap mode I'd be telling like my brother's like man you're talking about you on a rap man you be acting like a you know what I'm saying you can't act like a trap like you got to act like how these rappers

be out here like really just being active on the internet whether you post or whether you like my brother he gets fly all day my brother Nike Towns you he gets flat every day and I'd be like you're talking about you rock go post a picture man let them feel People see like how fly you.

Get the gas station with the good lighting. Yeah, the gas station with the good lighting. Exactly. Two, three thousand dollars fit on easily. I'm like, bro, go take a picture and like promote your music and stuff. But I had to get out of that too, so I don't judge it. I had to get out of that too. Like I was moving like that too, like not being active.

But now I'd be trying to be more active on the internet now because I know that play a big part in the music. That's funny you say that because I know a lot of rappers who I feel like they wear regular ass clothes all the time and then they only post a picture once they buy some drip. They'll hit the Gucci store post photos for like two, three days and then you don't see them for like a long

ass time and I find that really interesting because it's like some people are opposite of that. Some people just dress crazy all the time. They don't really think of it. And some people, the outfit, like for me if I was going to buy some fancy ass outfit, then that, the only reason I'm doing it is for the photo. For so. Because I don't really understand otherwise.

Yeah. I just, I don't know. I ain't allowed. I just like it. No, I like the dress too, but I, I've been trying to cut back on just going shopping, just been shopping, like the quarantine shit probably really, but been messing me up, just being bored. Really? Just shopping, buying stuff, but I don't really be into that shit like that either. I like shoes more than clothes.

Yeah, so as the quarantine changed your life where you were on tour doing shows all the time for a while there, huh? Yeah, we was on, like, we had tours and shit set up for the Carolina Naco tape. Like, I had something with Money Bad set up and something with Baby, and then I was going on my own shit. But shit, other than that, it's like, the court teams just really shit everything down. The corona just shit, everything down. But, you know, we still made it work through the pandemic.

It's interesting seeing rappers pick up new hustles. You got blueface. He got a bad girls club in his crib. Yeah. I've seen somebody say that, like, I've never seen rappers push their merch this hard. Yeah, the court team really makes you get creative. Yeah.

Yeah. Has anything come up from your perspective? Like, what are you doing with all that? extra time that you're home that you would have been on tour and just sort of using all that energy you were recording more or what takes up that energy um yeah recording and just chilling with the family and shit yeah that's what i've been doing most of the time just recording really though is that weird to have that much time to the kids or to be around the family being that like normally you're just pulled in so many different directions in terms of performing and shit um

yeah i mean like my kids just like they'd be missing me all the time so It was real cool to be able to just chill with them as much as I did. Like they used, they was at my house like all the time. Still be at my house like all the time because I just got my career built. So they'd be over there all the time like in the pool, playing basketball and shit. Yeah. My girl actually got pregnant like immediately as soon as the quarantine hit. So we just gave birth to the kid.

Yeah, congratulations. I appreciate it. But it's all within the quarantine thing. Like the fucking imbilical court thing, that shit fell off immediately before I can. came here. Oh yeah. That's crazy ass belly button thing that she was toting around for the past few weeks. Yeah for sure. Yeah. It's been actually a lot easier. It's like much less decisions of like, oh, am I going to go to fucking roll out this weekend and try to make some content, do some interviews and shit? It's like, no, there's nothing for you to be going to really unless I want

to go to like Atlanta and go to a little boozy pool party or some shit. Yeah, I heard Busa Pool Party be lit. Have you, have you been booked for shows? Like there's still shows down. that are like happening regardless of the quarantine? Yeah, it's still shows and shit. I got, I just really got booked for two shows in December. I got to do drops for them shit. So, yeah, people still touring, like, not touring, but still doing shows and shit. That's what's up.

Who do you consider yourself to be influenced by in terms of your style and music and stuff? You mentioned Moneybag, and I was thinking that, like, when I was listening to your stuff, that he's somebody that I kind of could see you being a fan of or appreciating his style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I wrote Money Bad Heart, but I wouldn't say like a fan like that. Somebody I look up to or was like coming up off his music. But I would definitely say like the guy these, Rick Ross, Gucci for sure, and Jeezzy type shit. Yeah, those type people.

What was the line you had on the tape? You had a little thing you were saying about Jeasy. I forget exactly what you were saying about them, but you were bringing up some quote of his? Like when he came in the game where everything he wanted. Right. Yeah, I really did come in the shit

with everything I wanted. Right. No cap. Like, everybody who really know who been tuned in to my shit for years, like, they know. Right. But does that get frustrating for you

that you feel like you accomplished so much on a different landscape and then you come into the rap game and you sort of have to, in some ways, you kind of have to do the process again? Right. Like, like, I was talking to OG about it.

I was like, I can't come in the game and buy a new chain and be like, oh, look, I'm flexing or something like that. I don't put my standards in my goddamn shit so high. So it's like, my shit really got to be by straight music, making music moves.

I can't go buy a new car or buy a new chain, buy nothing like that and impress people because they already have seen it. Like, I'm trying to, I want to beat from Dr. Dre and shit like that. Like, that's where I feel like people gonna really whoop-to-woo and just making music moves instead of like all the flitzing and the money.

Like, I feel like if you don't know about that by now, you just ain't gonna know or you're just a hater. So it's like I ain't even trying to put that energy out there like that. So it's sciggily about the music. Like I want these people to respect me as a rapper. Like they being respected me as a trapper. Right. I'm trying to get them respect me as a rapper. Definitely.

Were you watching the GZ and Gucci battle? Yeah. How'd you feel about it? It was funny. As a fan of both of them. Yeah, I'm a fan of both. Who are you rooting for though? Before it even happened, who are you hoping would win?

Damn, I just love they did it for the culture, but it's like, damn, like, I can't even, I can't pick a side with that because I got money like listening to both of them. So I don't want to pick a side because I rock with both of them. Me and a bunch of my friends, though, have the same story that we were driving in our car. And at the exact moment that Gucci started talking. about smoking on somebody's homie. Like, I'm screaming at the phone. Like, I couldn't believe it.

I was so shocked that he actually took it there. I wasn't shocked. You weren't shocked that he would do that now. Gucci, Gucci. That's like somebody come in front of you, like, you ain't seen in years this man tried a kid, you know? You probably been waiting to say some shit like that. And it's in front of like two million people.

How many of people it was tuned in? And he was entertaining. I feel like Gucci, like, part of a big. better people's person and entertainer than Jesus, but, you know, I'll rob a boat for that music. Right. But, I mean, could you imagine, like, I mean, it's so hard to even put yourself in that situation. But let's say, like, all right, back in 2010, somebody had tried to kill you and you knew that they were sent by another rapper.

And then 10 years later, you're going to get up on stage and rap against him. That alone is kind of amazing because it just shows a degree of maturity and growth to even be able to put that shit aside and be like, we're going to get in the same. same room. And then for him to actually acknowledge that he killed your homie and have that brought up on stage in a way, I thought people were kind of bugging because I seen so many people saying like, oh, I can't believe GZ let him say that. It's like, what was GZ going to do? Put that nigger ass in a dirt. But what's GZ going to do? GZ can't fucking swing on him. He can't shoot him. Like, we're on camera. Like, every single, like, crazy street thing is

off the table. It's impossible at this moment. I don't know. I don't understand how people were to say that with a straight face, like as if GZ was supposed to do something other than just try to be the bigger man there. Niggas we got down speaking on shit that they wouldn't even do so. Right. I don't know. That shit would be crazy, but I guess it was good for the culture, like. I definitely think it was good for the culture.

It was in the time, like, that shit went up. Yeah. They made a moment. And also, I think, like, even Gizi, though, some people might have thought that he didn't necessarily stand over himself in the way they should or whatever. I mean, I believe him that he really has grown a lot as a person. And I think that the, that memory of 10, 15 years ago is like, it's just a memory to him. It's like, I don't think he really wants to be moving around like that.

Yeah. And I feel like he was, he probably was going against a lot, like, because like Gucci got all the new little wave. You know what I'm saying? Like, he got all the new people coming up, like push ice to food John, all of them. Like, shout out of them. I'm, I fuck with him. He got all those people in Jesus. Jesus really ain't got nobody under his wing.

Like, he probably felt like he was in the room by himself there other than there. people part of that came with him but it's like shit Gucci had everybody most of the massas probably was going to go with Gucci regardless because he's so he he more relatable to the youth to the younger crowd right now yeah definitely so how do you get a relationship with something like Fujianna that I heard on on your tape and shit um you seem like you have a lot of good relationships like every tape has a bunch of pop and artists that you seem like you have a real connection with yeah my um my home boy did like him and food Fujianna was locked up in Green County together.

Oh, shit. So I kind of knew of Fujianna through Jew. And then, like, Food just came home and he was turned up. Like, he just, he had turned up. He did the, he had got with Boom Man, then got with Gucci. And Carter was like, shit, if he wanted to do a song, like, send him a song. And we was in Miami.

I did that song he was on, like, I did that shit like two minutes. Like, literally he'll tell you, Carter right there, he'll tell you. I did like two to five minutes at the most. And shit, we sent it to him. And he sent it right back. And I was in Atlanta. And he was like, pull up, let's shoot a video.

And I shot the video. I put up to his track, like, them boys turned up. They ran to the house, like, they ran to the front yard. They got like sticks on them, all kind of shit. Like, it was just me and my brothers. Like, I put up in the Lambo truck. And they were like, all that's black. So we just shot the shit.

Just like, how you seen it on there? Like, we just shot the video real quick. Them was most of his partners. Uh-huh. So we pulled up and all his folks was cool, so we shot that and I just been locked in with full air since. That's what's up.

Yeah. Have you always had the black Zach rap name? Yeah, for sure. Okay. When did you decide that that was the name for you? Was that just your nickname since you were a kid? That was like a nickname. A female gave me in high school.

That was before I was rapping. She just called me like, my real name is Zach, and I'm blackest hair, so she was like, she had black Zach. So I was running with it. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you're a rapper, I feel like is a very good benefit to having your first name rhyme with your last name.

Same with Waga Flocker, Chief Keefe, Black Zach. I ain't even thought about that. I think that's helpful because then somebody could put your name in a bar and it already has a rhyming element to it. Exactly. That's hard. I ain't even thought about that. Yeah, I always think about that. But was it always the four C's or was there ever a time where it was CK?

Never was that. Okay. I always been in C.C. Okay. For sure. And so the Cip. Was that something that you known about since you're a kid or when did that become a part of your life? Since a kid?

Yeah. Yeah. I just like the color blue. He ain't got nothing to do with Crip. I just like the color blue. Respect. Do you think you got a problem with lean? I used to drink a little.

You're over it? Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Just talking about it now. You made me want something. Yeah, because I'm hearing you rap about it and there's certain people when I hear him

rap about it. I'm like, man, this guy sounds like he likes lean a little too much. But, okay. What made you decide that? wasn't a good part or a good thing to have in your life anymore i ain't gonna lie what really made me like stop it like me and my brother beas he was about to fight so i was like and that's my like that's one of like my best friends like he like my friend like i call my brother and me and him was so like lean like we're trying so much lean and we ain't had nothing so and if anybody who knows join lean like that's

how you moody oh yeah and we're about to really fight and i knew it was because of the lean so i'm like man i ain't about to fuck this shit no more really really yeah yeah Yeah, I was like, and I stopped for a little while, then I started drinking again, but I've been on and off. I ain't been, like, heavy with it, because I used to buy, like, eight pints at a time. Wow. Like, I was at South by South West with, like, 10 pints, no cap, like. If you got 10 pints of South by Southwest, and you're the most popular guy at Southwest Southwest.

I swear to God, but that's R.P. Fredo, he was in the, um, we got a picture. He was at our Airbnb. Really? Yep. Yeah. RIP Fredo. RIP. I mean, there's countless examples.

Like, there's so many people, whether, It's a boozy or a, you know, I got so many friends. Even somebody now, like somebody who just quit, like Sauce Walker. It's like all these guys were the people who love Lean the most and got the most songs about Lean and stuff. They all hit a moment in their career where they're like, you know what, it's destroying my body. It's ridiculously expensive.

It's just nothing good really comes from this after a while. Oh, yeah. And I'm glad I stopped oil drinking from hearing the prices and none. Like, that shit ridiculous. I want to pay that shit for no damn. $300 lines and shit. Yeah, that's cheap. That's cheap drink.

Like, that's crazy. Right. Yeah. So you remember the act days or not? Nah, I wouldn't say like I was just a lean, heavy drink during the act day. I was, like, heavy when the high tech. Before the acorn and shit like that, I was fucking with, like, the high take, like, heavy. Really?

But that shit was kind of like $1,200 in the bottle. Yeah. But, I mean, nah, shit, we get a high tech. That shit probably $6,000, no. Yeah, and it's crazy because somebody like Ben Baller, I remember he posts him photos of, like, you know, cases of pints and saying that they were $200 a bottle at the time. Exactly. Because shit, the rappers made that thing popular, I guess.

Dude, lien is like Bitcoin. If you had just stocked up back then, you could be fucking $100 million and shit. If I swear, if I would have known, I would have brought all a lien back then. Damn. Just to wait on it. I feel like the Mexicans just got to come up with a better version of whatever the fuck they're doing down there. The Mexican.

I think that's, yeah, it comes from that too. I thought it came from Canada. I don't know, but the Mexicans be trying to make the fake lien. They just got to get their formula right. That way people will have to shop with them exclusively. Yeah. I wish I know how to make that shit. I know it's somebody out there that I know how to make.

Yeah, you'd be the most fucking brilliant hood entrepreneur of all time if you could just have a nice lean setup going in your kitchen or whatever. Exactly. Leave the meth alone. Yeah. Leave the meth alone, pick up a lean bottle. Yeah. Or don't.

That's another option. Okay. Yeah. What are you working on at this point in your career? Like, what are you excited about? It feels like you've been dropping tapes, like, crazy consistently over the past couple years. You got more shit on the way? Yeah, 803 legend out right now, but I really wanted to drop another project before the year.

Before the year out, like my birthday, December 17, so I wanted to drop something around there. I might do a deluxe or something like that, but getting some more music before the four chord out and then just keep going crazy, like the top of the year. But I got artists and shit that I'm about to start. You know what I'm saying, pushing and promoting, like fat load, little quay of those people type people like that. So I'm just trying to do that. Then like to keep opening the other businesses back at home, like a restaurant. Oh, really? Yeah, we got a smoke shot right now, like smoke shot.

Then I be in real estate a lot too. I got like three properties. Damn, how's the smoke shop business? It's cool, like it's good. Yeah? Yeah, it's good. You saw like a lot of like, what, backwoods and fucking fronto and shit like that? Yeah, hookahs, all that type.

shit okay that's what's up and then when you say the restaurant thing though is that shit been affected by the the whole pandemic or no i say i want to open a restaurant oh you haven't done it yet no that's i want to do that like some that's some family shit like my people like cooking so i want to do a restaurant like that really that's dope yeah i mean to be able to give those kind of opportunities of your family be pretty huge exactly that's what's up um okay anybody you want to shout out anything else we need to know about before we wrap this eight oh three ladies are right now at c ee and the mom i see in the mom motherfucking bit

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