No Jumper - The Boss Top Interview: O Block Tourism, King Von’s Legacy, Adam’s Messiness & More

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

Adam and Boss Top have a fire convo about Chicago, Von, Durk, fatherhood, not dissing, and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:11 - Vlad got the BossTop Interview before Adam. Adam remembers his recent visit to O-Block 1:32 - BossTop speaks on the family vibe and misconceptions people have about O-Block 4:05 - There’s one white family that lives in O-Block 4:55 - Boss Top explains how iPhones have created new opportunities for people from O-Block 6:33 - How Chief Keef, Durk and King Von took advantage of social media  7:42 - Watching King Von turn into a star 10:23 - Wanting to quit rap until he saw Von’s “Crazy Story” get 6M views in one week 12:24 - Boss Top remembers his disrespectful ways early on and explains why he thinks dissing is wack now  14:02 - Boss Top regrets not pursuing a football career and encourages young people to take advantage of opportunities  16:04 - Raising three kids and protecting them from going down the same path 17:43 - Boss Top recounts getting sh*t on O-Block 19:21 - Boss Top would not suggest that street guys become Youtubers 20:20 - Boss Top asks why Adam and other bloggers try to instigate beef 23:38 - Adam gets Boss Top’s take on interviewers asking provocative questions. Boss Top: ‘Y’all need to stop doing that” 27:33 - Protecting Black Art and the difference between what rappers say in interviews vs. what they say in songs 35:44 - Not being bothered by NBA Youngboy’s disses towards O-Block. No one listens to YB on O-Block 37:15 - Boss Top lists his favorite rappers: Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, Durk, 21 Savage 38:19 - Boss Top says Durk is the GOAT of the Raq over Kanye 40:20 - Being a dad is Boss Top’s main focus these days. Goal is to live together with all his kids 42:25 - Boss Top explains how complicated it would be to open up a “hip hop store" like No Jumper in Chicago 46:15 - Boss Top says that the younger generation in Chicago is on more dr*gs than ever 52:08 - Boss Top says Akademiks could come to O-Block. Wants Adam to set up an interview with Akademiks 54:10 - Boss Top is getting ready to put out a new project. Reveals he has a Durk feature ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And you know we had to bring boss top on this hoe. No, for sure that, man. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. You've been wanting to get on here for a long time anyway, though, Joe. No, I remember when your Vlad interview popped up.

And I was like, God, he got him before me. Yeah, that Vlad. Yeah, I had just did that Vlad, like last year, like last year. Right. I think that Vlad didn't I did like a million views. I know. They were fascinated by you. And then when I went out to Oblock, who was there?

Boom. I'm chilling with a shoebox baby. He eating a pizza puff. We got boss top. You got a piece of buff? I didn't, but I watched him eat it. So I feel like I got the idea. Shout my boy, box, though.

Yeah, that was a legendary day. That was tight. Frato St. Oh, excuse me, I'm afraid of St. Tend. Fredo Bang just in there shooting a video randomly. We got Drew in there. Mm-hmm.

Mm. Boss top. How you like it, though? how you like the obloat? I loved it. It seemed like it had such a good vibe. Like everybody was just on some real happy shit, which I guess makes sense

because you know, you got rappers in town, everybody all hanging out, shooting videos and shit like that. I'm sure it's not always like that. Then it was like surprising to see you. Yeah, that's nice. But then the weird thing about it is that after that,

from following you and Chewbox and all these people and stuff and just like seeing, I see a lot more of the community and what it's like. feeling like a day-to-day basis, so I feel a little bit more tapped in with what it might be like. It's smooth.

Like, people, like, that kind of, a lot of people, like, they don't, outside looking in, they may hear stories, you feel what I'm saying? Like, that are making my, man, no, I don't trust they a little of that. Right. I don't even want to leave my phone

on charge it right here. So I can walk 50 steps away. They might take it. The whole time we're chilling like we be. You sing this for yourself. We'd be open on, we're chilling. We have a good time, you know what I'm saying? Some people just really got to, like I said,

in many of my other interviews, you just got to really come see for yourself. I don't know if people fear coming to sea. Like, I used to, I got half fears. Playing was a fear. I faced it. I get on planes. Now I went around first class.

But so you're suggesting that people who are fascinated by Oblox should just show up and come hang out? Come pull up. Hit the motherfucker. Hit the DM. Hit me. wanting them hit somebody look but you should hit somebody look i'm gonna slap to that bitch says you're gonna sell sure so when you when you have it we gonna roll a rare cop it out for you

if a random as YouTuber shows up a walk around the O what's gonna happen shit he gonna ask questions some people I'm ignorant right I don't know you give me off your camera I don't want to be at your camera you're doing good in life though you don't need to snatch his camera but somebody might be like give me that camera ain't photoman ain't ain't gonna snatch your camera like we can go snatch your camera like This thing way back 15 years ago when people first started bringing iPhones out and they started snatching phones and like, hell no, we don't do that shit.

Really? It's like- That's a letdown. I feel like they deserve to have their cameras taking at a certain point. Yeah, it's a little bit. Especially like, we don't know you. What's you doing this camera?

We need you to fix, the police, anybody, you don't know what I'm saying? Right. But you see how much of a clout opportunity it is for people where people really be showing up in old blog, filming vlogs and shit. I'm not sure if they always are tapping in or if they know anybody before they go there.

Some of them, it definitely seems like they just going in there and just seeing what happens. But I ain't have him come. He popped up. I made him turn the camera out first. He turned the camera out. We were chopping it up. And he laid it out on me.

I asked him, like, you're nervous. I'm not nervous. With my adrenaline, like it says hard, was just beating so fast. It's just too much going on. He's like, a kid might shoot by out on the scooter right here. It's my run past here. Anything, he's just got to watch everything.

You're like, then after so long, he was cool. He was chilly. He cut the camera back on. He was kicking. You know what I'm saying? He started chopping it over there, but he walked around that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Right.

It's like, it's other people more than just black people that live in Obloch. Really? It's other people that live in. White people? Really? Yeah. I want to meet them. Yeah, you got to come back.

I'm going to take you right to him. It's like one family? Yeah. Yeah. But it's the point that they over there, you feel what I'm saying? Right. Like, this ain't, this ain't, this ain't no. can't nobody come over there

that sounds like a YouTube title right there is that YouTube meeting the one white family who lives in a lot they must be cool as fuck I just I really just noticed on the 10 like recently

if my girl leaves me I'm gonna just get a bachelor pad in the O and just be bringing girls back people everybody would be looking at me like what's he doing why's he here I'm like I'm living it I'm living what I podcast

for sure that's the plan Yeah, man, but Okay, you said 15 years ago It was that much worse I ain't a lot Like, when Before iPhones came out

Like Nowadays it's like It's way more opportunities For like the younger generation To get on their feet And it don't have to be illegal Right You feel what I'm saying

You could get What you're doing right now I can get my kids, three cameras, two microphones, some lights, and put them in the basement in one of the rooms. And we're seeing a decent number of people from Chicago who are coming from basically nothing and they're doing something, making enough money to live off YouTube. Boom.

But now it's just like, that shit got to be facts, though. Like, make that shit fat. Like, people get these channels and be so fluky about what they got going on. You feel what I'm saying? or what they know, they don't, it don't be facts, you feel me? So it's like, back to what I was saying, you, it's so many opportunities, though, bro, like, to get some money and it don't have to be illegal.

You could make you a YouTube channel. You TikTok, anything, dancing. If you know how to fucking make a nice-looking peanut butter and jelly sandwich, that's just a triangle, you fucking can blow up off this peanut bottle of jelly sandwich. Right. off the TikTok, off the YouTube, for I'm saying? And you didn't know about any of those opportunities

when you were killed. It wasn't that many options. We didn't have the internet back then like that. Because even Sosa was like the first person that you saw really like make something out of nothing in that environment. One thing I know, I'm going to tell you this, like Chief Keith took advantage of his opportunity.

Dirk took advantage of his opportunity. Even King Vaughn took advantage of his opportunity. But what I think I learned, I seen King Vaughan do, that marketing was heavy. It's his self just from Instagram, right? He was a genius with it. What? Crazy.

That man was fucking ending that up. You see what I'm saying? So it was like, he took it like, all right. Like, oh, you love to internet, boy? What? This shit getting me paid. The way people fell in love with him so fast. And even going back and watching videos, watching interviews, and just thinking about

him, it's like, holy shit. Like, I didn't realize the level of star that I was sitting across from when I did that interview with him back in the day. I thought his music was dope, but I didn't realize that he was like that big of a presence because his name still, a lot of people, let's be real,

a lot of people die in rap and they barely fucking get mentioned afterwards. Like his name is still a fucking constant conversation. Ain't no doubt about that. Did you see any of that in him, like real early on? Or was it kind of a surprise to you that he managed to take it so serious?

Music? Yeah. I ain't know he was going to rap. I ain't know. knew he wanted to rap. I didn't even knew he knew how to rap. I used to tell T.Roy, though, like, you need to rap. It was a time, Vaughn had his little street fame, but T. Roy fame was, like, kind of different

because they both, like, Sosa, love best friends, you feel. So it's like, I, Sosa always rap about him. T. Roy T.R.R. Teroy and T.O.T.O. Put them in songs with my name in that. Put our name in together. You know what I'm saying? And Vaughn used to be in and out of jail a lot, you feel what I'm saying? So we never think, folks old motherfucker rap, you feel what I'm saying? I used to be telling T. Roy and Jake Money, like, y'all better rap. Didn't he do, like, six years straight at one point?

With Vaughn? Yeah. No, hell of no. How long do you ever sit down for that one thing? Yeah, we both sat down for like a tray, a tray and a half. He did like six months, like three and a half years or something, shit like that. Right. I did three.

shit no he ain't up to he but he just was always going in and he'll be gone 18 months right 12 months 8 months 8 months you know what I'm saying so it all would calculate up to better than a 6 year you feel what I'm saying he would never stand out that when he just was out right now

when he just like rapping and blew up that's the long as he ever been out of jail but how much of a factor was dirk getting behind him like you think that he had that motivation regardless or you think that Dirk choosing to promote him early on and really getting his corner was like the factor that made him take it that serious. That's no doubt about that.

I, if, if, if, if, if, if, if blood get to stomp in you, if, if dirt gets to stopping you, and, like, and get the pushing you and get the vouching for you, you better take that shit, says, you better take that shit, that's dirt. Take that shit, take advantage of that shit. Do what you got to do. All right. Because he ain't gonna do that for everybody, you feel what I'm saying? You gotta capitalize off foot, but it's like, that was just God, though.

That was just his gift. That was what was laid out for Vaughn. Like, this was something to happen, you feel what I'm saying? Right. Because it's like, I was gonna give up rapping. I wasn't from the rap when I got out. I wanted to know nothing. I'm chilling.

I'm fucked that right shit. You're really over it? I was over that shit. He, boy, you're from the rap. You're tripping. You're tripping. You're tired, bitch. You just stop playing.

Right. I hear my reason. You know what I'm saying? You were gangster. Stop playing. So, boom, I kept going. Then I just see, like, I get out, they say Craigs Story was out for like, you out like that?

These guys do. They say, Craze Story was out on YouTube for, like, I got out December 24th. Craze Story was out, then at like, a week and a half, two weeks. Bitch was like, like, six, maybe? I'm like, what the fuck? Right. I'm looking at how the fuck you get something? I'm like, you bought these views, boy, hell no.

You know, they're fucking with it. Right. I'm like, damn. So, him and Memo dropped the expose to me shit. I see that bitch go up. I'm like, damn, I'm surety. Shorty, everything he touched is going nuts right now. You feel what I'm saying?

That's all right. He's a bad. He studied on me like, man, boom, we make a song, we make a song. I got a song with him called Get Back Mode. Um, he dropped it. I'm like, hell no. He's like, why? and lose some weight.

Yeah, your ass, fat a cell. I'm like, I ain't rapping until I lose some weight. I'm that shit dead. I ain't go in and no big top like this. Right. Fat a boy. You don't want to be a fat rapper. I ain't want to be no fat rapper.

Hell no. I ain't go in that fat. Fuck, I'm going to come out. Biggie's here. That's a whole new dude. Hell now. I'm sane, dude. Oh, I'll pop out.

I lose my little weight. I dropped a 9 for 60th song. He owned me. I need to drop this. I hail that bitch. for a minute we ended up dropping that bitch that bitch go crazy but who who said 9 from 63rd in a song like that first was it you or him no he did he did and then you made that song okay got you just checking i had just dropped a song called 9th 63rd though but i got that that sound from him though you know right

but you have you taken a step back from including your enemies and talk like that in your lyrics over the last couple years if people really listened to me back then i was disrespectful was here That's what I'm saying. I was watching mad videos. Their mama. Yeah. The people that you lost. Now I try not to even say, I ain't going to put them about kids in that shit.

Putting nobody mom in that shit. I got kids. I got a mom. Right. I'm saying. And then if I don't really like speaking upon people who go on anymore. I wish a lot of people would stop it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, fuck that shit. A lot of people only where they're at is for a disc rapping. Like, they can't make a whole song. People can't make no real music, like they only get in diss views. Like, oh, he dissing the dead. He just said 95 names, dishing him. He went to the... That's why you're only getting the views.

People were gonna be nosy. Right. Try to make a regular song without even dissing the motherfucker. No view. This is chico. I ain't gonna say a stage. The shit, it was bustin then. That shit was going crazy.

We was, what? Smoking. Who's smoking? You see me? That shit ain't about nothing. That shit's whack. You hear me? That shit whack as hell.

Well, I mean, by the time you make it to 30. That shit play it out. If you still think that shit is tight at 30, you know, like you live this lawn to see how much all this killing is just for nothing, you know? Yeah. I mean, not for nothing, because I understand why this shit takes place. But, I mean, would you say you have regrets about all this stuff? Like, if you could have, would you just wish you.

you could turn back time and make it so that none of this shit got to the temperature that it got i didn't think i didn't say that because she i couldn't even stop this shit this this what was going on you feel so it's like only thing i regret is not like chasing what i really really really wanted to chase and that was like i was playing football when i was a shorthy so it's like that's that's my favorite i always wanted to be a quarterback you feel what i'm saying i just that's i always wanted to go to I wanted to go to college. It's just like, I just made bad choices. I just regret the choices I made.

You feel what I'm saying? And go back and make the right choices. That's what I do. You know what I go back and make the right choices. I wouldn't even do what I got to do, you feel me? It's like, if you know you got an opportunity at a young age, you got to take that motherfucker. Don't think what a motherfucker going to say about you

or what a motherfucker going to think if they're going to fuck with you or what I ain't, you know what I'm saying? Yeah what? They might ain't got 10 years. left in them, you feel what I'm saying? Whether they're going to die or go to jail, you feel me? So it's like, you might make this choice with them and they leave you. Now you just stuck,

and you can't go back and fix it. It's always. Now, now you've got to survive, you feel you understand? So if you're going to make a choice, make the right choice. And if you got an opportunity and you know you could take advantage of that shit, go don't do what you got to do, blood. Come back, see a motherfucker, you might change the world.

You might change the hood. Like, hey, damn, folks just took all. for five, six years, he went to school, he come back, he got everything. Now I'm short he's looking like, fuck that, I'm going to school, y'all like selling what? I'm trying to go sell his knowledge real quick, you know what? Right. That's the only thing I regret is, like, not making the right choices because now I got three little boys that I got to really, I try not to let them see the choices I made,

but you know, this shit, they say that in invisible, you know what I'm saying? So I just got to make them make the right choices, if you know what I'm saying? Make my two daughters make the right choice, you know what I'm saying? Right. But how hard do you think that that is going to be? Do you think at the end, like they're going to be tempted by the same shit that you were tempted by? Nah, hell no. I ain't have my daddy in my life.

They got their daddy. They got me. They, they, I ain't got no dirty-ass kids, ain't no dumb-ass kids. They got everything so it's like, they shouldn't, they can't do nothing but do right, shit. I mean, you know, kids gonna be tempted anyway. You got this YouTube shit now. They gonna see shit on YouTube, these movies and that. So it's like, you just got to beat her and teach your motherfucker.

It ain't all about beating on your kids and, oh, I got to take them out this way. You just got to hot at your kids and lay it on and stop trying to have shit from your kids to get to them in the raw. I'm going to show them off of these bullet holes. You don't want to get shot, bro. Fuck that shit. I don't keep it moving. Like, fuck that shit. I got shot and all that.

I did everything I did for y'all not to have to do that shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? But do you want to hide that from your kids up until a certain age? Because it's kind of like a scary. My kids all don't know I got shot, bro. They got to be on YouTube. bro, this shit, all over YouTube.

They watched that shit? Man, they were YouTube head. You catch them watching Boss Top YouTube documentaries? No, I ain't ever catch them, I'm watching it. You showed them? No, my daughter, my daughter said it to me. And what did she say? She ain't said to me.

She had said it to her grandma. Like, what happened to him? And they were nothing. And she was on YouTube, they just said he got shot. And they had to go on what I know. You know what I'm saying? Wow. So it was like, you can't hide anything.

I can't hide that shit. Was she, like, what was her response? Was she freaking out? Yeah, she just wanted me. Be careful, like. Well, because she doesn't understand getting shot. Just be careful. Go back to Atlanta, Daddy.

Right. What the fuck happened? You were just walking around. Like, we were talking about how Oblock so nice, but you got a shot right over there, right? I just know I was on motherfucking Instagram. I was fin and go live and I just felt some shit. You were about to go live?

Yeah, and I just felt something. Out on the street, not in the actual complex? I just felt something. Adam, that's it. Right. I just felt something. Where? In my back and then my arm

and came out of my side right here, sat on my chest. You had to go to the hospital? No, I went to the vet. You know, I had to go to the damn hospital. I don't know what I'm up? We ain't got no bullhead doctors. Hell no.

You went to the hospital? What do you think I went to? My grandma's house? If you get shot and you don't have to go to the hospital, it does it count? Like if it's just a little... Shit, that's like, like a graze then.

Yeah, I would feel bad claiming that I got shot. I remember, I remember like, it's like, I felt the motherfucker hit my finger before, like, 13 years ago. Wow. Hold on to this day, probably still think I'm lying. Wow. I'm like, bro, I'm telling you, I thought I got shot in my hand. They were like making fun of that shit.

I'm like, telling you, bro, I felt the motherfucker hit my hand, bro. And it wasn't like part of a bigger shooting. It was just a random bullet that hit your finger? It was just some shots with his kids. and I just felt my finger hurt and start running. And I checked it, everything was everything. You know what I'm saying? Right.

But I'm like, I know I just felt that shit. You know what I'm saying? Hey man, that's just that's playing. I was dead ears though. That's some scary shit. God damn. Hey, you were talking about the YouTuber thing before. Do you feel like on average when you see a street guy

become a YouTuber that they'd be engaging in corny behavior or how do you feel about that? We don't have to name names. Like, a regular, like if I just become a YouTuber. Right, because we've seen dudes who are actual real street dudes, even for Chicago, they become YouTubers, and it's kind of, like, they know that they have to tow the line between being too gossipy or being like a straight-up rumor monster, like saying shit that might be fake. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I want to suggest it. I want to suggest it. If you live there, especially.

Right. I want to suggest it. Just leave it up to people who, who like, and who went to that type of shit. like who like to do that type of shit like that's what they want to do they weren't probably until none of us before that you don't understand or whatever i want to suggest it right you want to look right i mean it's a complicated situation you've seen 16 he's like the the new YouTuber coming up out of chicago 16 shot him yeah and it's like he's killing it don't get me wrong but it's like every interview he does where somebody talking a bunch of shit about somebody else that kind of closes the door on a bunch of other interviews. Why do people like podcasts or YouTubeers,

why do, I'm going to say y'all, but this ain't going to you, but I'm going to say y'all because this, you're in that deal. And I'm part of it, yeah. Some would say I'm one of the best. Why do y'all like try to star shit? Y'all ask certain questions. Y'all know what's going to happen. Right.

Behind if a person asks or it wrong or answer it right, you know what I'm saying? Well, there's levels to it. Like when we were just having the conversation by YouTubers right there, I could name fucking GD YouTubers that I'm sure you don't like because I totally just open the door for you to shit talk them, right? I like everybody. But I didn't say it because I'm like, whatever. I'm just not even going to attempt to sort of draw you into talking shit about somebody, right?

I want to glass it. Right. Well, see, I didn't. But I'm just saying like every interview is a big decision, especially when you're dealing with shit where like, like the obvious one is the Cairo interview that he did. where, you know, that's definitely going to close doors for them, but also my open doors. And it was probably the most money you ever made in a month on YouTube.

So, I mean, as an interviewer, it's kind of on you. Like, every question you ask is a different decision. Like, how is this going to impact me? Because I've been in interviews where I was, like, thinking in my head, like, I could ask this question and I know they're going to answer it honestly, but it might really start some shit. And I don't know if this guy has the self-concure. control to not say what I think he might say type shit now that's that when they go to that that's

about the person who getting interviewed is all about you now and your court once they ask you the wrong thing but you're 30 you're a pretty smart dude you clearly have the mental facilities to not talk about some crazy shit because I was just on Joe button podcast and we were getting into an argument about this where they were talking about Joe button yeah they were talking about an interview I did with FBG Cash and they were like basically saying like why would you ask him about Dirk or whatever like this and I'm like this motherfucker is all he talks about is music half the time you know it's like this is shit that he's putting out there how can you blame me for asking the question and they're talking about him like he's a fucking it like a little kid and I'm like this is a grown ass man I'm asking him this like he has the

he has the ability to just say no like or just be like I interview people all the time where I ask him about somebody they have beef with and they're just like, I don't know. I don't know, none about them. Like, they just shrug it off like that. I seen you do this in interviews with people where people ask you shit about street shit, that I know you got something to say. I know you got all kinds of knowledge and you just, no. I'm just not, you know, super easy to just say no.

No. Right. Just no. You just say no. Everybody's going to respect that, especially if it's something that they know is a little controversial, right? Yeah. You know, some people are going to answer it?

Some people aren't going to answer it. But okay, is it over the line, hypothetically, for an interviewer to interview a street dude and ask him about somebody that he knows that they have issues with? Is that enticing violence? When you know that the person that they're dissing to somebody

who's capable of doing something? I mean, I'm gonna say, yeah, because, like, the interviewer might go right behind that person to go interview the person he was talking about now. Them interview is going to lead to something else. Maybe. Maybe not.

Some people, be like, man, fuck that shit. Some people would just be bapped. Some people would be like, you ever be seeing them little things. They'll be on, like, all over the internet, like Facebook and shit,

be dogs. They'd be at the gate barking like a motherfucker at each other. And the gate are open and the motherfuckers are just walking through them up. And nothing happened. That's Instagram. That's a lot. No, there's just a lot of these niggas.

That's a rap. A lot of this shit be going on. Like, but you got some people, you might not open that gate. Yeah. It's going down. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because nobody...

Y'all need to stop doing that, though. Y'all, y'all do need to stop doing that. Nobody would ever look at me and Vlad and act like we were fucked up for asking a rapper about a beef with another rapper that everybody knows is just a rapper. But then as soon as you're talking to dudes, like, you know, people think there's a reasonable chance that they could do something violent, all of a sudden it takes a little bit of a different tone. Like I say, y'all just... Y'all just need to stop that.

Hey, and I have to. Y'all need to stop doing it. Who's the worst culprits, though? You think that we're actually over the line or you think it's just individual instances? Say that again? Is it a pervasive problem where you see it all the time? Because this is the thing, too,

is if you're going to say that me and Vlad have done some a little over-the-line stuff on an interview with people, you also probably got to point out of a fuckload of different YouTubers because the smaller YouTubers don't get the attention, but a lot of times they ask the really spicy shit and the detailed shit about rappers that the general public doesn't know that much about and those a lot of times I feel like

are the interviews that are gonna get somebody into a situation. Be correctly right. If you're gonna right, 100% right. Correct. Because like, some interviewers don't know how to go around a question that they're trying to ask.

They just directly, I see it, knowing the camera, right? You know what I'm saying? Why do y'all do that though? Is it for the views, the subscribers, and the money, Audrey? Well, they want to know. They want to know. If you had something in the public eye with another rapper,

and they want to know about it, is it out of line for an interviewer to ask about it? I don't really think so. But although it doesn't, it certainly depends. To me, like, you did show job. She is so is respected, so I ain't going to do. just say you out of line you feel i'm saying if a motherfucker send yourself off and answer it then they out of line you know what i'm saying so it's like that's your job a motherfucker going to expect

before they go to the interview all right if they're asking off the wall ask questions what to them you know what i'm saying it's just some people will answer something people will flip they answer right you feel what i'm saying or some people may not answer your question correctly. I'm going to say this, though, is that rappers say so much more on their own social media, most rappers, on their own social media, and in songs, than you would ever get them to say in an interview.

Look at like Vaughn. Look at the kind of shit Vaughn was saying his lyrics. And then look how he acted at interview. He's not talking about aggressive shit or violent shit or whatever. Dirk, look at just Dirk's verse. on the Lil Zay Osama song. If I do an interview with Dirk right now, he's not saying anything like that.

The songs are always infinitely more spicy than the interviews. It's just art. Right. It's art. Art. It's different than you just asking me.

And that's the cover. That's why they'll do it in a song and not in an interview. Because an interview feels like a fucking police interrogation where like everything you're saying is real, you know? Exactly. but it's art. Right. But art can be based in real life.

Man, art could be fake as fault. Right. Art could be fake. You could create some shit that don't exist really. Mm-hmm. You could. Ugly-ass monster on the picture. Right.

At front of it with the downtown background like that, you know that shit doesn't exist. I'm not trying to convince you how real some certain drover. rappers lyrics are. I'm sure you know. Nah, I ain't saying you're trying to convince me. I don't feel like you're trying to convince me. No, it's just, there's a lot of stuff that's

there's a lot of reasons why rap lyrics get brought up in indictments and shit like that. A lot of rappers they take it a little further. But meanwhile, we don't really see interviews in federal paperwork and shit. It's been very rare over the years. I mean, you see it.

It's art. It's art. You got to protect black art. That's what they say. you know what I'm saying mm-hmm how fuck ass a motherfucker I just gonna be

dude dude how we're gonna perfect eye craft if we can't just look at urban novels some books those be good as hell

you know that I never read one I don't think you should read one give me give me one read the cartels the cartels

yeah okay they got a series on I for real read them shit's so good It's so good. It's fake. Right.

It's art. It's just art. Right. That's all it is. It's art. People just take shit wrong. But if in one of those books, there was a murder. And then the author of that book was suspected of a murder and charged with a murder.

And then there's a storyline in the book that is eerily similar to the situation that happened in real life. The cops are going to say, let's use this book as evidence, because we think that you are kind of writing about yourself. So a lot of rappers, yeah, they might not be giving you the specifics, obviously, but when they can make it line up, they can make it line up, right? I don't know. I just tell you, bro, we just make music. That's from, from, I'm going to speak me.

I'm going to speak for all rappers. We just make music, bro. Some of us go off our mood. Some of that shit. Urban novel books be good as hell. You got a point. I got a bigger point. Okay.

Talk to me about the music. Where are you at with the music? I'm actually... And can you pull the mic in a little bit? I'm actually done about to work on another project. Okay. I got some decent features that's going on that shit. Who?

I don't want to tell you yet. I got some decent features, though. I've been working, though. When was there like a moment where you really decided you were going to take the music more serious? Was it Vaughan inspiring you? Nah, I ain't a lie. That's exactly when I knew I was going to take this shit to this. Really?

When I sing to him, go crazy, I said, it's over with it. He inspired me to get back on my shit. I knew it was like it was time. You know what I'm saying? I watched him go up. When I got out here, he just had this little OCF chain on a little ragged of the rope and shit. it and a couple thousand on him he was freshest head though and they looked it good you know what I ain't used to seeing folks who drew you on in a couple thousand freshest head you feel

me what's looked a good because like oblox music scene popped off in like 2011 2012 or whatever but it's like Sosa was out of there real quick and so it was kind of like it gave so much acclaim to O'Block but it was like kind of a period of not as much going on for like four years or something five however many years until vaughn sort of popped off right for sure folks folks brought life back to that shit you know what saying mm-hmm folks brought real light back you know yeah a motherfucker can't can't really take that because it's like the doors done to look like they was closed on the block on the right thing you see me right folks when i was going to kick that bitch back over and that that's all right and that's all

come in you feel me right so so yeah for sure he he most definitely inspired me to keep going and go harder and take this shit see it right yeah bond bond like bond like bond should be a definition of loyalty um a loyal and loyalty you know what I'm saying right sure it was like he had inspired you he was he was he was motivating he was the motivator he was the motivation of people you feel I'm saying right he just surely had a gift you hear me 100% are you uh like in terms of your music getting better

because I definitely like hear the progress when I'm listening to it what what makes you get better is it just purely making more and more and more songs or what's your mentality it's always it's always working you got to work everybody they got a job work you feel what this is hooping they're gonna go practice you feel you got to work

You gotta work. But he taught me like, don't go in there just rapping because you could rap because you could ram. Hey, man, you gotta make that shit make sense. You gotta go in there and say raw shit, you know? Like, everything got to be raw. You hear me?

Right. Every line, you feel me? I'm going here, skip lines. They have four lines. You're saying raw. Every line got to be raw. All 12 bars, all 16 bars. Right.

I'm saying. It's the beat. And Vaughn was progressive with his flows. You know? Like, he really pushed it. And, like, a lot of drill rappers kind of fall into a rhythm of just sort of rapping like whatever the other popping drill songs

are out at that time, you know? And he, like, really pushed himself to just, like, develop different flows, more, like, and more and more as his career went on, you know? He had his own sound. He had his own sound. Like, he really had his own sound. You know, a lot of people, you could hear.

You could hear somebody in a lot of people, you feel him? He had his own sound. I'd be hearing people now sound like him. Mm. Mm. All the time. Yeah, for sure. Shorty, surely was cold, bro.

Mm. He was raw. Yeah. Let me answer this. it feels like in the whole history of Oblock being a thing that you never were really in a position

where you had like a really lit rapper dissing where you're from and then fast forward to 2022 we got a young boy talking about Oblock, Pat again, rolled up how does that feel that one of the most popular rappers is putting that kind of shit out into the world?

Man that shit is for this oboeuvre all the time right? but usually more minor characters that shit ain't about shit him really ain't doesn't bother you Shubox did this song though

he was burning green rags maybe it bothers them I mean he saw the opportunity and he grabbed it you know what I'm saying so shit that shit doesn't go out of me right

yeah it is what it is right can you listen a young boy in Oblock anymore Nah, we don't play Shorty over there Not publicly, maybe

Like in your room Not even in your room Nobody around Hey, look though You got like the KGB Like knocking on people's doors Like You're YV fans

Just say that Oh I am, of course Hey look, we listen to Smirk And Vroy Oh yeah but I was on I was son I was on the Dirk and Ron Probably more than young boy

But I like young boy too In the 21 and a little baby You know what I'm saying Oh yeah we gotta do that too Who's your favorite rappers? irrespective of where they're from people that you really listen to and you get inspiration from coming up my favorite rapper was like the Gucci walkers mm-hmm smirk she had you know 21 she me I ain't really got a lot of favorite rappers I don't really listen to people though I'd be

still listening like a lot of old shit like shit I was coming up all mm-hmm shit that's going on that shit and I just got to I didn't listen to because I was in jail. You listen to Donda? To Kanye? Yeah, the last couple of Kanye albums. Nah, I ain't never heard when the Kanye was. You didn't order the STEM player?

You had to, like, order, like, a little speaker so you could listen to the second one? Why are you talking to, I don't know. It's like $200 or some shit. No, I ain't ever heard of Kanye rap. I mean, that was his marketing plan for that, at least. But the reason why I say that is because Dirk said in a, That song, the L'A's song, he said that in the rack, he's bigger than Yeezy. He's the goat.

I'm trying to figure it out. Who's the go of Chicago? Is it got to be kind here? Because, realist. He's a billionaire. Man, listen, here. All right, that's cool. We know he had been.

That's cool. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to him, you know what I'm saying. He from a rack here big. You know what I'm saying? Shorty got the right. You know what? Shorty got the right.

Smirk got the rack, you feel me? So he'd go in the streets and the city. He's way bigger than that, man. He's big and he's going. He's going to go. You know what I'm saying? That's foote. Right.

Folks got the rack. They listen to smirk, bro. Right. They ain't a lot to you. The rack listens to smirk. Like, no dishter Kanye. There ain't too many people playing Kanye shit like that. You know what I'm saying?

They didn't listen to Smirk shit. But okay, it's like in L.A. You got Dr. Dre, you got Snoop. And then you got like, Kendrick, who's the king of LA? I mean, they're all in, they're in different categories. Like, Kendrick might be the hottest rapper in L.A. They might be the biggest legends, you know. I don't know about a cane on my bad.

You never heard of Kendrick Lamar? I mean, I don't know about it. They're about be listening to this shit more, you know. But I'm just saying that, like, Snoop is in a position where he's such a legend in L.A. that it doesn't fucking matter if he never drops a song again. That's, you know, Snoop. The first person you think, I really, you're going to take a snoop. Right.

So if you weren't pretty like that. But Kanye is like that where it's like he don't have to draw music. You're not fin this. You're not going to trick me on my question, man. Smirk. Say smirk. I mean, you say it one time, Adam. Smirk.

Smirk. Smirk. Smirk. There you go. Yeah, man. Okay. What are we talking about here? I don't know.

How is life these days? Like what's important to you? What do you mean? been focusing on what's your time going into being a dad a big part of it no that's that's the main part i've been that's my main focus is getting right with my kids man like doing better doing like way better step it all you up you feel me like so i'm emotional like we all we all us to live together so i hope i hope they mom must let it happen that i can live with all my kids they can move with me, you feel

me? So I want to do my career shit and family, I'm big on family, you feel what I'm saying? I'm very family-oriented. Right. I got to do better.

So that's what I've been trying to do. Focus on getting better with the family, with the kids and shit, you know, and get bigger. You sober these days besides the weed? You drink a little bit?

I felt like it was going to be like, yes, but maybe not. Hell no. Okay. You're still young. Yeah, I'm still young. Still having a good time. Yeah, yeah.

How are you? 38. I'm just smoking. You're 38? 38, baby. You on that. You on that shit, boy. Spicy.

What was you not doing before you came out of here? What was I doing before I came out here? Before you just came out there, my phone. Oh, in that room? Yeah. I was listening to a podcast of the dude. I got to interview. before this or after this i yeah so i was listening to another podcast but also it's like it's a problem

when people come in where if i'm in here with you for like 20 minutes before they get the cameras turned on and shit we're liable to have a whole fucking conversation that realistically would be really good to just get on camera you know so sometimes i try to lay low and just be answering emails when the guest gets here and then i can creep in we had a good conversation before this that they didn't they didn't get to hear not for sure about like basically If you did a store in Chicago, like a hip-hop oriented store, I'm sure there are plenty. But, you know, how much of a liability is that if you're fucking with different artists and shit or from certain places, you know, how much of a concern that would be? I ain't a lot.

Like, it just be like, it's all about the company, Keith. I was just like, you heard of Steve. from exclusive 773 i don't think so yeah steve steve he from he from chicago he he he started off on like 87 events in you feel me and excuse me steve steve he he elevated you feel me he elevated he had a store and steed he started off people probably think like oh yeah steve was fucking with just the o t f fift people like only with Ashrida, the whole Chicago was fucking on Steve,

you feel me? Everybody, you feel me? Right. So it's like, it's all about how you play that shit. Like, you can't come up in that motherfucker like, all right, I'm from the only fuck with them.

All right, that's, they're going to look at you ass, you feel me? Right. You got to be able to do business with everybody, you feel me? Like, that's, that's you right now. You do business with everybody, you feel me? You don't hold it against me?

Ah, that's your job. You're doing your job. That's true doing your job. I hold that against you. but to turn shit into you down. Like, I want to be on that. I hear no. Right.

I ain't tripping, you got to do your job, man. But you're mature about it because there's a lot of younger rappers who, they're not so understanding. Ah, that is, that shit. That's shit. I ain't got no ops. Right.

Like, I ain't got no ops. You know, leave me the fuck alone. Leave me alone. I ain't on that. You don't got a short list people you don't like? I like everybody. Right.

I like everybody. You know what I'm saying? I don't put myself in those positions to be around people that don't fuck with me. Right. So easy to ignore people you don't like. That's what I've been learning.

They ignore everybody, everything. I think that's what a lot of people think when they're watching certain rap crews go against each other is like, damn, couldn't they just ignore each other? Usually there's a good reason why they can't at a certain point, but... Yeah.

When I was young, it's just the shit. that shit to some people that shit probably fun and I was young it was fun to be just dissing back and forth right so it was fun like let me see make a song better see how many views like it yeah yeah it was it's still stupid yeah you listen to New York drill at all I listen to a little few um like um not not not not much I probably I listen to him like around the box and DQ them They're more tuned into that. I still, like, throw the rowdy in them on and shit.

Like, I still, listen, they old shit. Some of their new shit, like, I fuck a rowdy hot. That's my voice, you feel what I'm saying? So I'm always play for shit, you know? Right. It's a few of that they're a little be-loving them. They look like that's nice. I fuck with the New York little drill, though.

They're doing their thing. Let me ask you something. When you look at the younger generation of kids coming up out of like obloch or Chicago in general are they more fucked up on drugs or less fucked on drugs like is that problem getting worse or is it getting better in terms of i'm thinking say that again say that one was like the new the new crop of young people coming up out of chicago i feel like one thing when the whole social wave glow glow gang all that shit was coming out a lot of us were like holy fuck there's a lot of drugs being done in this

situation. A lot of lean, a lot of pills, etc. You think that the kids are still like that, or are they maybe being a little less interested? Oh, no, it's fucked up. Now, hear me. Hey. I'm a little too optimistic. These little motherfuckers out here are some motherfuck of hype. Really?

Man, you know? They got the motherfucker. The fat of chin out there now. You got to be careful on this shit, you're popping around this bitch, you hear me? Yeah. Yeah, no, you know, I want to come around across one of them things. You don't know what I call on them things. Right.

Yeah, might not wake up. That's a real concern. You know people that happen to? I don't pop up that shit. Right. I don't be popping that shit. I'm scared of that shit. I don't know.

What the fuck don't happen? Is that a big part of why? I don't think I could ever take a pill again unless I fucking came from a pharmacy. I'll be too scared. That's the only how I got to see that motherfucker coming out of the other. Right. Other than that, yeah, no. Even the day, I still ain't go.

I don't really like that shit. I don't like that shit. I wish I could say that. I don't like downers and shit. Like, I don't like being down. Like, that lean and shit. You never really gotten to the lean? I did before, like, when I was fucking with, like,

but I ain't never been addicted, you know what I'm saying? Right. I just got how when I came out here for the plane with so motherfuck along. Yeah? You know what I'm saying? But I don't fuck with that shit, though. Like, it'd be for reasons like this. I would sleep all day.

I would sleep all day. If I drank lean every day, I would be, I would be sleep. 16 hours a day like that shit just knocks me on my ass. That's too much sleeping, baby. Yeah. It's too much sleeping. You want me to lose the money and all the type of shit. Exactly.

That's why I don't want to do it. Yeah, yeah. Hey, oh, yeah. You fuck with the X before? Yeah, back in the day. It's been a long time. I don't know what kind of new super-powered ex-sacety they got, though. You want one right now?

Hell no. You're rolling right now? Hell no. He's cool to just do X-a-C-C-C and kill. ticket with the homies or you gotta be with a girl? Shit, I'm talking about, like, you with the guys, you know, y'all gonna be all the thing, y'all gonna be doing, y'all, it's gonna be busting, you know, y'all party party, you know?

I don't wanna be busting around the homies. You wanna be busting with the bitch? Yeah. I mean, shit, that show, that show, I'm, I would wanna go end a day with the bitch, you feel what I'm saying? Like, blow a motherfucking back out, like 50 minutes or something. I remember one of the best nights I ever had in my life. I met a girl on fucking Tinder and then we- You said what?

Tinder. What the fuck is like a dating app. You'd be after dating apps and shit? Well, I used to be. And I've been with the same girl for six years, so not anymore. But there's like 2012, right? So this app just first comes out and you can meet chicks on it. And there's like a lot of chicks on it.

And so I meet some fucking hot Asian girl. She's like, what you want to do? But she had said something about having Molly. And I'm like, shit, let's meet up at this bar and we're going to pop those mollies and see what happens. She's like, all right, I meet up with her. We fucking each order a drink. we each pop the Molly.

We probably got back to my crib by, you know, 11. I think I, like, came two at, like, eight in the morning when the sun came up because I was just off this Molly, just fucking the shit out of this girl for, like, an eternity. It gets real. Man, I ain't did no Molly. The last time I did it, my daddy, I was with a C-Day. Okay. I think I threw up in the bitch car.

I want to look a little bitch from the block. My granddaddy caught some shit. like that. I was driving, and the police was from to pull me over. I'm like, damn. That shit just started coming out. They pulled out.

Like, look. Man, just get the fuck on. Oh, now. Oh, what the fuck? I mean, I didn't really, I don't really feel in that money shit. Right. That's too much.

That's too fucking much. Getting locked up and having to do a Molly come down while you're locked up, you can't even get water and food like you want. Like, oh, Lord. Hell no. I had money ain't right. That's right. You're never going to leave the gas behind, though?

I'm actually thinking about it. I've been thinking about stop smoking. I've been thinking about it. There's too much. They tell me that it's fat a chain on the weed now. I'm cool. Hell no. You never got hit with that.

Man, they says they got fentany all on weed now. I told you that. I don't believe it, though. That shit been all on the internet. But there's a lot of fake shit about fentanyl. people i don't i don't i don't listen here listen here i don't want to play with that shit boy okay but have you seen that there's this whole thing with cops where they claim that they have overdoses just by touching fentanyl but then like the science of it says that that's impossible and that basically

all these cops are suffering from this like collective delusion where they all believe that they're actually genuinely passing out by fucking getting a little tiny speck of fentanyl on their finger that's what cops do they do shit like that you know they You're motherfuckin' be right. You be like, boo, they fall on them, charge you. Right. It's like a basketball game. They're flopping around.

Cops are like that. Because think about it, there's no negative to them trying to get away with this bullshit. But I don't know, man. They call on the ambulance and shit. Imagine faking that. I think they really believe that they actually have been poisoned by the fentanyl. Yeah. Who knows?

I'm scared of that shit. Right. I asked Shubbush. This is what I want to ask you too. Could academics go to Oblock? Why wouldn't he be able to come up with it? That's what I'm saying. Because when I ask shoebox, he's like,

I don't know. Why the fuck not? But then when I'm doing the interview with Joe Budden, he's acting like what academics did with the war in Shirek was this mortal sin that he caused so much violence and death and there's blood on his hands. And I'm like, I don't really believe it. I don't think anybody over there really thinks that.

You were never hopping on the phone with your homie. Like, damn, you see the new Warren Shirek, that shit came out, and then so-and-so, shot so-and-so. No, he was talking about some shit that already happened, right? X question. Okay. Were you all up in those videos? You gave you a cool nickname?

You didn't call you like the Mega Man of Shy Rack. Me, boy. Either Super Mario or Shirek. Stop playing on me, boy. About to hop on a mushroom. Hey, send me up an interview with AC. Yeah. Uh-oh.

Send me up to interview with AC. I'd be happy to. You got grievances with him or would be all friendly? I don't know, act. Right. You got any beef with him? You like any issues? I just told you all, I like everybody.

I ain't got no beef for nobody, man. Okay. Now, don't say me on no interview with Act to think about it, no. I would like to see that. That would be very interesting. What's up with Act anyway? What's wrong with Act? What's wrong with him?

I mean, it's cool, yeah. Okay. All right. What do you want to tell the people? What do they got to keep their eyes out for? Keep it fucking 3D zone, man. I'm trying to drop another project, man. This bitch gonna be so exclusive.

so many big brawass features you know what I'm saying I can really take the motherfuckers off and still this bitch gonna be so exclusive though what you know I'm gonna get to y'all

a smirk on now but I ain't ain't telling y'all nobody else streaming numbers going up you know what I'm saying so we don't do it like that but you know shout

shout out my people man shout out all my brothers you know what I love y'all man We, you know, we're going up, you know. You got to keep our head up in this shit, you know. And to the kids out there, man, stay positive, man. Do what you got to do, listen to your parents, man. You know, go to school, man, and be something, be somebody in this shit, you know.

Break the curse. If the family ain't shit, you turn, you break the curse, man, and go crazy, you know. That's, you know, it's all going up, 23 on the way, you know. So we just got to take it from that. Put the switches down. and pick up a book. Yeah, put the switches down, for sure, and pick up a book on a other.

Maybe I'll put that on a shirt. For sure. It's kind of catchy. I know. All right. Boss top. Appreciate you, man. Much needed, sit down.

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