No Jumper - The Brendan Schaub Interview: Joe Rogan Cancellation, Leaving Showtime, Jake Paul vs Dana White

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

Brandan Schaub talks about doing comedy in this new sensitive era, defends his friend Joe Rogan and more. https://www.instagram.com/brendanschaub/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here with Brendan Shob, and we're talking about Starbucks and Nike. And not worrying about them jumping on board our shows. I'll put this as my introductory statement about how weird the world is. It's like, we'll put our content up on TikTok and YouTube and Facebook and Twitter, et cetera, and some of them pay us and some of them don't. And it's just kind of like whatever. Like you just accept that you're kind of giving some of your content away for free.

but then if a new social media company came to you and was like, Brendan, we want you to upload all your podcasts to our software, etc., you'd be like, okay, like, you need to give me a lot of money for that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I think about all the time, especially with like what Joe Rogan's dealing with, right, with all that stuff. So it's a little bit with that, it's like I look at,

but I think it's easier for me because if Spotify took a stance that tried canceling them or like shut them down, I would pull all my shit off Spotify. And then I think about it now, I'm like, oh, they're giving my shit for free. Right. They don't care. You know, like, I'm giving to them for free.

I'm giving to Apple for free. Yeah. So I know I have a lot of friends, especially in the comedy game, who they're on Patreon, which I think is owned by YouTube. So you're still playing to the man, even with that, but it's a subscription.

Are you on Patreon? Do you eat? Okay. Patreon.com slash no jumper. Oh, damn. We got naked girls on there. Oh, my God. That's a whole thing.

Well, I'm going to subscribe. So that's cool. Yep, I'm in. You're horny. Is it $5? No, you know, I just like chicks. It's, I think, 10, yeah. Oh, damn, all right.

Oh, you're rich, rich. But, yeah, so, you know, it is weird. Like, certain things, like, I'm, like, anti-man and, like, I'm own all your shit. It's like, bitch, you're on YouTube. You're on Apple. You know, you're sporting Starbucks. Right. I post Nike shoes every day.

I thought of pulling our shit off Spotify just to, like, you know, say, like, fuck them removing the 70 episodes of Roeboro. broken show but then I'm like but that you know he's still in bed with him like he's not turning his back on them because if he were to say and I this is coming from somebody who doesn't even know I was gonna say you know rogan no but if he were to say Spotify's done me dirty fuck them like they've completely like ruined this podcastie for me or whatever then that would seem like you know I mean but they're kind of fuck because everybody's mad at them they're not though like they're not though so they're not yeah I wish I could talk more about it the most liberal people on my fucking

Twitter feed are mad as fuck at Spotify and the most conservative people also are mad as fuck at Spotify. Yeah, but you think, think about the bitch you got to be to get on Twitter and like give your opinion on Joe Rogan when you don't know him for anything for that matter. If you don't know the guy. And then also with Spotify, just to go back to, you know, pulling the 70 episodes, the owner of Spotify is Swedish dude. He's a man's man.

He's also a businessman. So their business went up $2 billion. You know, so they underpaid Joe Rogan. I tell him this all the time, bust his balls. I'm like, dude, you got hustled. You got underpaid. So they went up $2 billion in valuation as a business. So that guy's a businessman.

And I always, I put it like this, Spotify is on Rogan. Rogan was making stupid money before he went to Spotify. He benefited Spotify. Joe didn't get bigger going to Spotify. Spotify's on Rogan. And when it comes to the episodes, Joe has full creative control. So his team's going, all right, these ones are kind of, Dicey, fuck you, let's pull him down.

Spotify's not pulling him down. You don't think. No. He just interviewed Maja Nawaz and they didn't put that one out yet. Mm-hmm. And I'm thinking, like, I would assume Rogan wants it out. And that Spotify is the one who doesn't want it out because he probably said some shit that was controversial about COVID.

I'd be surprised. Because their contract, I'd be surprised. Can't they just bleep out the fucking N-word and then just put those episodes back up or, like, you know, trim the little jokes that they decided were offensive 10 years? later? You could, but then also if you're Joe, do you really give a fuck? You know what I'm saying? I'm saying? Like, yeah, pull him down. I don't get a lot of

integrity. It hasn't just having your whole catalog still up there. Like, when he left YouTube or left, you know, YouTube and all the podcast apps for Spotify, I never would have imagined we would be in a place where such a big chunk of his catalog has been removed. Do you go back and listen to those old ones? Fuck no.

But I mean, it's nice to know that they're there, you know? I'm with you. But at the same time, it's like we're fighting this fight. We're like, you're trying to silence them. And I'm I'm going to be like, oh, do you go back and listen to the ones from 2014? Like, no. It's like you fight a long fight. But I've been listening since 2014.

So to me it would be kind of redundant. But also like... It goes against what he stands for. I get that and what all of us stand for in freedom of speech, stuff like that. But at the end of the day, it's like he wins, man. And all this shit they're doing, it's making him bigger. Did you ever have a podcast removed from YouTube? Maybe for like some content stuff.

Like I play a music video or something like I don't own the music too. They might pull it down. But very rarely. My team's on it. There's been a few for me over the years. I'm pretty sure we had our interview with Magic Don Juan removed for like promoting sex trafficking because he's a fucking pimp because he walks around with a big bejeweled cup and shit. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure that I can remove for promoting sex trafficking.

And there's a do you do you guys get a lot of like where they demonetize you on YouTube? Yeah, I mean all the time. The like, hey, this one. I'm like, for what? Like, oh, you cuss two minutes in. I'm like, Jesus Christ. And it turns out that if you start a podcast and you have Wiz Khalifa with a pound of weed sitting in front. of him that they will demonetize you that's insane that's insane right because that's just like part of

his body yeah it's his thing and it's also legal in most states for god's sakes why is youtube so much more hardcore about it now than they used to be when weed is clearly so much but i mean it is still federally illegal so that's why they can't really like fully just let it go i guess i get it but then also they have that what is it youtube bread then you have patreon where i'm sure you could just release what of the fuck you want on patreon which that helps but then with youtube it's also like put a disclaimer online like I'm not in the kid section but if you want put a disclaimer on like you know you know but that's basically what they're doing because like but then they like they only show it to a small audience and they don't like give you the as much they put much a much smaller percentage of their

potential ad inventory on your videos like when they limit you the shadow like have you had some your stuff shadow ban where you know it should get like crazy views and you're like what's going on here oh yeah like I did this rogan rant and I'm like it's going to blow up and then I'm look at I'm like, oh, what's going on here? And then when are I boys like, yeah, my, my rogan thing got taken down, I'm like, what? Do you think? Yeah, it's not good. Yeah.

So just talking about him in general, his name might be a four-letter word right now? I think it depends in the context, you know what I'm saying? Like a lot of it during the height of COVID, I'm sure you get, like, talked about it to a certain degree. Certain COVID stuff will trigger the, their program where it will put a disclaimer on it or get you demonetized or get you taken down. You want to know my little Rogan story? I'd love to hear it. One of my fans was in an airport many years ago, maybe 2014, maybe 2015, something like that. They were in an airport and they were on acid.

And they go up to Joe Rogan and say, bro, there's this guy, Adam. You need to go on his podcast, No Jumper or something. And Joe fucking follows me and DMs me on Twitter and just says that. That's hilarious. But then at the same time, I get hit up by somebody else who goes, bro, my friend was on acid. ran up on Joe Rogan at the airport. And Joe was cool about it. Yeah, he followed me, but I'd never talked to him after that.

You'd crush it on there. You'd be a great guest on there. What direction you think you should go? You think you should go like more science, more like public square important discourse? Or you think he should just be like, fucking I'm going to just kind of have more lighthearted conversations? No, do what he's doing. Do whatever the, and this is what's so crazy that he's like the face of all this. Like, he decided to start that show just because he's interested.

and stuff. So he has, no one's telling him to have anybody on. He has people on that he wants to have on because he thinks they're interesting or they, you know, they're being silenced. He wants their perspective whether he agrees with it or not. That's why mainstream media's their ratings are fucking terrible because they have an agenda. Joe doesn't. So for

him, he just needs to keep doing whatever he wants to do. So keep having comics on, keep having, you know, Jordan Peterson on, Kevin Hart, do whatever you want to do, just do that. Don't, and he doesn't feel that way, but I'm saying don't feel like you have an obligation. make sure that you're putting people on that give this, you know, this kind of information.

That's not your responsibility. No one to, nobody, he didn't go, hey, I want to make sure I'm the leader of, you know, COVID and misinformation. He's just doing his thing. Right. It's just crazy how just doing your thing. Like, I'm just doing my thing. Like, I'm talking to whoever.

All we are. That's all we're doing. But I'm allowed to just keep doing my thing because I'm not the most important podcaster in the world, you know, like once he, in five years. But in five years, when you get there, like, you know what I'm saying? You're crushing it. But that's the reason why we're having this conversation about Joe Rogan is because of the fact that he became the most important podcast in the world, which I feel like to some extent he probably, like, wishes wasn't the case. Because it would be nice if there was some other guy who's bigger than him that could be taking all this bullshit.

So that he didn't necessarily have to be the one going through the fucking brick wall, you know? But it's just crazy how by becoming so popular, all of a sudden the standard for what he's doing could become so different than it is for. everybody else. And it's also not fun when you do that. Like, it's not fun anymore when it becomes a business and you feel like you have this obligation and give everybody the correct facts or that the media thinks the correct. Like, I want to do a podcast or a show if people are like, hey, make sure you follow this outline. I'm like, get the, what? Right. Like, we had a Michael Chandler on my show Food Truck Diaries today. And he's like, oh, what do you want to do? I'm like, I have no agenda, dude. I'm not a journalist. If you want, what do you into fishing? I'll talk

about fucking fishing for an hour. Like literally whatever you want to do meant. I have no agenda here. Literally whatever you create the show. So if you want to talk about shoes, I'm down to talk about shoes. Whatever you want to do, man. Kids, he's a dad. I'm a dad. Let's talk about your kid, man. I don't care. But it is weird, though, because sometimes, like, it's occurred to me, like, I've been doing a podcast to

somebody and we'll start talking about food. And I'll be like, we could talk about food for, like, the next half hour, no problem. Yeah. If it's interesting. Why would the fucking audience want to hear us talk about food necessarily? Now, if it's funny or if it, like, is kind of informative or entertaining, but sometimes it's like,

When I'm interviewing somebody, it's like I'm trying to do the math problem in my head of like, what makes this guy interesting? Like, what can I get out of this person that maybe hasn't been done before? For sure. As long as it's not like a got you moment, you know what I'm saying? Like we're TMZ or, you know, a journalist or you're trying to break news. I don't get down with that shit. But the reason you're successful and your show's good is because you're interested in that stuff. And same way, I've been doing it so long.

I can feel when I'm like, we got to get out of this, man. Like you're carrying on about fucking, you know, corn nuts for the past 30 minutes. You probably have people watching this because this is like a very hip-hop platform. I'm not saying that you're not hip-hop. But, you know, this is a very hip-hop platform. I feel like there might be people watching this who don't even like aren't really that cognizant of your podcast career so much as like, holy fuck, that's Brandon from the UFC. And now they're probably like rekindling their interest in you through this. Just because I feel like our audience might be like, how.

have like a whole different compartment of people than your shit. Which is dope. I just had to tell him that Joe Roggan has a podcast the other day. Oh, hell yeah. I love you, man. You didn't know.

He goes, the motherfucker from Fear Factor. That's lit. That is fucking, I find it so funny when I'd be doing shows with Joe and it was when he living here in L.A. And they'd go, oh, what are you doing at time? Like, I'm at the store, man. I'm doing a Rogan show and like, Joe Rogan?

The Fear Factor guy? I'm like, yeah? Yeah. You don't, you know, he's been a comedian for 35. years like that's his main gig is he's staying a comedian man like the fair or the UFC guy like the most popular podcast in the world thing but I like that he lives in that I love that don't you like that I fucking love that because we're all like caught on the internet

and shit it's nice to know that there are people that aren't as wrapped up in it as that's the majority of the world though like they say one out of 10 people on Twitter when you walk down the street one out of 10 I don't subscribe to it I don't I don't play the game I don't I don't have social media on my phone. I post and ghost as they call it. And I know a lot of people say they actually post and ghost. I'm telling you, I haven't seen a comment. I haven't seen a story you've done.

Wait, so you download Instagram, post something, and then delete it? Uh-uh. What I do is I have someone that runs, it's on their phone. I'm like an assistant, basically. And I just sent them to him, I go, put this caption in. And then I'll check in like, yo, any interesting DMs or any

dope mentions, and he'll let me know. I'm like, right, restory that. and if it's a good DM, like someone who's like going through something, I'm like, all right, say this to him, you know. It's me, but I don't subscribe to the game, if that makes sense. Well, that's like probably how Joe Biden's answering emails or Donald Trump or whatever. He probably sits back in his throne and just has some assistant saying so-and-so wants to talk to you about this. What do you think? And, you know, he says a sentence or two and that gets transcribed into a response to the email.

How's how fast you'd be going through emails like that? I'm that at a much lower level. And I'm sure with Biden, he's getting like a million death threats, you know? And they're like, dude, it's all good here, man. He's got two people. He's falling asleep. Yeah. Real quick.

We're going to get back to this done kid. Yeah, but I don't subscribe to it. I think it's been two and a half years, almost three years. I haven't fucked with it. Really? No. As a creative, I just, like, my heroes didn't grow up on social media. And then I have a great fan base and Fong and they're super support.

but then, you know, just the way we're wired where we gravitate towards the negativity. I found it fucking up my, like, creative process, especially on stage and everything else I want to do in my merch. And I was like, oh, this isn't healthy, man. Because you start to have this chorus of hater voices in the back of your head. Yeah. And it's like, you know, not everybody should have opinion, but in social media, like, you're giving these dummies an opinion.

You're giving them power. And it's so silly to me. I don't subscribe to it. You know? And then people that that I know are on it all the time they're talking about haters and negativity like we're wired to protect ourselves.

So if you get 100 positive comments, there's one negative. That negative's going to fuck your day up. It's just the way we're wired. It's the way we protect ourselves. So it's like if you're going to play that game, don't complain to me when, you know, when you're having a bad day or, you know,

the haters and stuff like that because, you know, it's like you're playing dodgeball. There's a chance you get hit by a ball man. Like that's what you subscribe to. That's the game you're playing. So I was like, I don't want to play this game, but I have to. Right. Because in comedy, podcasting, you're basically your own PR machine.

Because like, okay. If you had- In order to sell tickets or merch or whatever I'm pushing or advertising, I have to have social media. Right. Like if you had 100 people outside your house with fucking flaming bats and guns and signs, that's a, you suck. Yeah. That would be a very big cause for concern. Correct.

But if you have a tweet that says, hey, so-and-so is trash that has 100 retweets, I mean, it's essentially kind of the same thing. It's going to hurt your feelings. One is way more worrisome. But in your brain, you're wired to think, like, 100 people are hating on me right now. Actually, it's way more than that. But in the context of this one tweet, and that can be kind of like an overwhelming thing. And, like, I'll have people in my life, like, send me, like, a tweet and be like,

look at this person talking shit about you. It has 100 retweets. and I'll be like annoyed like why are you bringing you don't have to tell me that like I know that shit's out there I'm aware of it man yeah I probably already saw that one yes

but you know in general like you don't need to tell you've also gotten over that one now you've just rehashed it dude it's like yeah they're more worried than you and you're kind of like yeah I did I already know what's going on I got thick skin man I've been the game with long ass time man yeah yeah do you feel like I mean it's interesting to me because

when you were a fighter was there like big chunk of time in which it was all praise and glory and and just like everybody just bigging you up and then at one point that just turns into like a lot of hate and and is being a podcast or less comedian is that kind of just like like how would you compare that to the the title way that you were on as a fighter yeah I think as a fighter it's like you know you're talking what again the UFC at 2000 2012 is 2011 2011 I was on the ultimate fighter. Social media wasn't huge, but it was a thing. True. And I remember I started Instagram and

Twitter and Facebook and all that shit back then. And when you're, you know, I ripped off, I don't know, six wins in a row. And then it's stuff for people talk shit about you, but you'd see stuff like, oh, you're beating cans. They're like, oh, that's weird, dude. But it wasn't as what it is now where people give it so much, so much power. Like now it's everything and kids are coming suicide because is bullshit. Like, it's so toxic now. And so, When you would lose, like you would see, I guess I would see like headlines as far as like other like analysts and stuff talking shit. You know, I'm like, what's you going to do? Loses another one. He's going to get cut and that would put pressure on me.

But that stuff, it's never, I've always had the thickest skin, man. I don't care about those opinions because it's not my friends. They don't know me. They're not doing shit with their lives. They're probably, you know, they're probably suffering from mental health or something like that. So, when you lose a fight, I don't need you telling me that I fucked up. trust me, I'm the most depressed and hardest critic of myself you've ever seen

so that stuff never got to me but in fighting I think what helps you now with comedy and podcasting is the highs in fighting are the ultimate highs. There's nothing better when you knock a dude at MGM grand and you're getting a knockout bonus and you're not injured and you're looking at the

next fight and you're ranked in the top 10 like that's such a rush. When you lose it's the lowest of the fuck there's no lower point in your life. It's the worst thing in the world. So when you come from that, everything else, it's like, all right. You do a podcast, it's like, you know. Like, oh, that was lit, but you're not like.

You don't have to go to the hospital. No, yeah, it's like, all right. Or if, you know, you do so many, like, I don't want to sing great. It's like, I'll get it tomorrow. Like, I have a set tonight at the laugh factor. It's like if I try new jokes and eat shit, I can go across the way and go to the improv and try something else and that's going to work. Fighting, you lose a fight.

You got six months off to think about that shit, man. Try and reinvent the, reinvent the wheel and get your shit back together. Wondering if you're really who you've been. Trying to be all these years. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's intense.

And then also, you know, before I fought in the UFC, I had a cappuccino with the Buffalo Bills because as a kid, you know, my goal was get to the NFL. So dealing with like that heartbreak and playing Division I football and like, there's a lot of heartbreak, man. So like my heart's pretty calloused. Would you want your kid to go through that like professional sports attempt, you know, process that you went through? Or would you rather than knowing what you know now, would you have?

other than do something more stable? I will say because I've been around, like so many high-level athletes and was a high-level athlete myself, unless my kid's gifted, it's like, Bub, about, you're going to do something else with your life. Like, you're not going to make it.

I'll tell you that right now. But if he's gifted, let's run with it, man, because you have no idea who you're going to meet. You know, you're going to learn highs and lows and you're going to learn self-discipline and those carry over into your life, you know, further than sports. So I'm down if they're athletic

and they want to, you know, find a passion. It's going to keep them on the, the, you know, correct path. I'm down for that. But I'm not like that dad who's like, you know, sign my kid up for all this shit. And I'm like coaching him up 24-7. Like if he wants to do it, like he has jiu-jitsu tonight.

Sometimes like, dad, I don't want to go. I'm like, cool, let's not go. How old? I have a five and two-year-old. How's the jih-too when you're five? His is pretty lit. Really? Yeah, he'll do some things where, you know, he'll watch UFC.

He's seen my fights back in the day and just organically, he'll do certain stuff. I'm like, holy shit, man. That was impressive. Wow. Yeah, other, he can't go with other five-year-olds. He can only go with 10 and up. If he goes with 10-year-olds? Yep, if he goes with 10 and under, it's, he's Fador in that bitch.

He's destroying kids. Like some little Russian kid came and he spiked him on his head. I'm like, and the coach is like, dude, we have to put him with older kids. Wow. Yeah. So maybe that might be his thing. Why is that? Are you training them from our early age?

I think he's been around it. And then, like, I'll walk in tonight or today after doing the show. And when I walk in, he wants to, like, wrestle. and, you know, he's just a physical kid. He's just a physical dude. That's funny as fuck. It's dope. I remember when I started following the Diaz brothers who, are you on good terms of them now?

Yeah, we're good. We're straight. Yeah, no issues. I just was watching a fucking clip. Old clip, though. Okay. Yeah, and that was also like a miscommunication. Okay.

Because, you know, I worked the Floyd Mayweather Connor fight for showtime. I was the MMA expert, quote unquote. And so, you know, that whole thing, like there was no UFC heads there. Like it was all boxing. I didn't know anybody. And then the fight gets done. And I see Nate. And in my head, I'm like, oh, UFC alumni.

Thank God, it's one of us. It's like seeing another comic at a party. Right. You can't relate to anybody. You see a comic. I go, thank God, dude. What's up, man? Because we're talking about real shit.

Okay. So then I saw Nate, and I was like, oh, fuck, yeah. Another familiar face. I'm like, what's up, dude? But I think because he had his issues with Connor, and I wrote so hard for Connor, which was my job. He thought I was like super pro Connor and anti him. so there's this weird animosity.

And that's the way he grew up, right? Like he's going to settle his, you know, arguments with his fist, which I appreciate. I'm down for that. But it was just a, like, caught me off ground. I'm like, what the fuck you're talking about? You're down for that? Like, if you had a problem with one of your friends these days, you guys might just have to go scrap it out? You know, I don't want to beat anybody up, you know what I'm saying?

Doesn't it seem kind of immature at this point of your life? As a dad, as a father of two at 38? Yeah, that's fucking weird. But at the same time, too, like, if there's road rage or something like that and, you know, you feel some type of way or, you know, to me, if there's comics talking shit about my boys and you feel some type of way, it's like, I would rather you try and beat me up or do something physically instead of just talking all this shit. Like, there should be some repercussions. But talking shit is like your opinion. Whereas fighting is just like figuring out who's better at fighting. It depends, right?

Because like if it's road rage, right? And the guy gets out of the car. and if it's like, well, that's the situation like no, no guns, dog, like no guns.

Like, Sean Strickland, the UFC fighter was in an altercation. He pulled over the guy and goes, I'm down to settle this dude. No knives, no guns.

And the guy pulled out a gun. He's like, fucking just kept going. Like, to me, that's gangster. Wow. Yeah,

Sean Strickland is gangster. So I'm down for that because there should be repercussions. Like, you want to talk all this shit? And then I see in person, keep that same energy, not that I'm physically going to hurt you,

but what we say on social media, you're not going to have that same energy in person because we don't talk to each other the way we talk on Twitter. We don't treat human beings like that. But because you don't see the interaction on Twitter, you're able to say this awful shit and try and hurt people's feelings. And then because it's worldwide, it's global,

you're going to get other people that have that same issue with you and then they relate on that, on that hate. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's these tribes. When back in the day, like say you're in a village, There's one hater. Right.

And he's just talking shit to himself. And like, right, whatever, dude. Well, now that dude has access to these other villages with haters. You might have 100 villages where 100 people love you, but now you have 100 haters. That's the way I look at it. Yeah.

It's weird to me, too, though, because it's like, I could see a fan saying the worst thing ever. And I'm never, ever going to react to that in any way. But as soon as it's somebody who I'm associated with, who I consider to be my peer, business-wise, who I've really had to. something to do with, et cetera. That's the situation.

I take it personal. Where I might be tempted to wow out. Agreed. Whatever that may be. But let me ask you this. Have you ever had somebody, one of your peers, somebody doing better than you hate on you, ever? Doing better than they? You know what I'm saying?

Like, ever hate on you. I've never had a person in comedy podcasting ever, ever who's doing better than me. Certainly the rare case. Whatever you want, like, however you want to numerically, like financially not doing better, shows aren't better, comedy is not better. had anybody who's more successful than me hate on me ever ever it's always the people doing bad you know it's it's their lap them lashing out right you you probably didn't see that uh this today if you know on social media but okay you know the baby the rapper yeah love him so he's got a baby with this rmb girl

named danny lay love her one of my face and she's so pretty she has a brother named brandon bills okay can you pull up uh the clip by any me any chance if you want to just bring up the no jump or Instagram. And so he's got a baby with her. He and her have, you know, beefed publicly and they've got into it, like, on the timeline, saying horrible shit about his other. And so her younger brother, Brandon Bill, he said basically, you know, you're a bitch, you're a pussy. When you see me, let's fight. Come meet up with me to the baby. Does he look like your sister? Basically like his brother to a certain extent, whatever. So last night, they see each other at a fucking bowling alley. Okay.

And the baby swings on him and they end up. He ends up jumping him in the middle of a fucking bowling alley. Like with his boys? Like with his boys or just the baby? Yeah, it's definitely a jumping. Is that baby right there just in the, yeah, to the left with the big hoodie on? Oh, wow. They're whooping his ass in the fucking bowling alley. My thing is the baby, your boys are whooping his ass.

Like, why would you roll it with your boys? He did throw the first punch though. But then your boys all jump in like settle like one-on-one man, like old school shit. Yeah. And his boys just holding down and whipping his ass. Like, that's kind of weak. And now it Now it's definitely over, right? Like, now But I also want to know, why does he have a blunt in his mouth?

Like, they were letting him smoke weed in the fucking bowling alley. Like, I need to go to that bowling alley. That has to be. You get excited of it. Well, that's not good, dude. Things have changed. That's bitch shit, though, right? You don't appreciate that? No, if the baby would have walked up by himself and told his boys, like, film this. And then it was the confrontation one-on-one. Dude, settle it that way and hope you guys are

friends afterwards. And nobody really gets hurt. Might have a black guy or something, but nobody actually gets hurt. I'm cool with that. It's kind of funny because it's like two different worlds because I'm kind of looking at it from like a rapper perspective where I'm like, well, they didn't shoot him. So this is all good. Your standards are different. Yeah.

But he didn't get shot. He didn't get stabbed. He's still able to walk away. He got jumped. All right. I mean, you know, it's not the end of the world. But from like a fighter perspective, it's definitely like weak. Yeah.

What are you doing? Man. To me in this day and age. I'm a fan of him. though yeah yeah he's dope awesome awesome artist but then also you know down to fight somebody in a bowling but the funniest part is how they're all walking around like oh i know like we got so slippery yeah like we yeah no bowling shoes yeah they have to keep their feet on the fucking ground like their penguins on ice i hope none of them had like the bowling shoes on it yeah nothing was least gangster than that

video yeah you're trying to whip his ass and can't get their footing yeah i don't know man but don't you feel do you feel like what would it do your reputation if you beat the shit out somebody in the back of the comedy store i was Does that happen? No, never. It never happens, right? Dude, I haven't been a fight in fucking since the UFC. I mean, it would never come to that.

I'd rather, you know, crush them with words. Like, because, of course, that's the first thing they're going to think of. With me, I'm like, oh, shit, you know, that's not what I do. It's no I represent. Right. I would never do that. Nobody would ever be able to talk about anything else. Yeah.

You would be the guy who beats somebody up on the back of a comedy story forever. The comedy story would never let me perform again. That's a fact. Yeah. They'd be like, you're out, dude. You ever seen anybody come close to? blows there no the only time i ever thought i'd have to dust off the old ufc skills is when uh mark maryon was on stage you know mark baron he's a beast he's a god shit out of him yeah yeah right right now

for sure yeah i feel you i was a fan of him forever monster comics i'm a fan of him too but he's just a bitch yeah with this covid stuff and the rogan stuff it's some soy boy stuff but great comic i respect him for he's such a great comic he's one of the godfather's podcast and great interviewer he's a So at the time, it's probably four years ago. He's on stage and there's hecklers. And Mark can deal with hecklers. And he lights these people up. But it's two pretty burly dudes from Australia.

And they started talking shit to him. And Mark destroys him. The room's going nuts. And then Mark sits down and he goes, ah, fuck, dude. Now I got after the show, my car, you know where my car's out, I got to go out there. And the guy keeps talking shit to him.

And I'm looking at the comedy store security and I'm like, oh, these guys aren't shit. If that guy goes on stage, I'm going to have to have to to protect Mark. So I was just waiting there. And usually I do my set and I get the fuck out, go home because I get up early because of the kids. But I was like, I'm going to stay here and make sure Mark's good. But that was the only time I'm like,

all right, if that guy goes on stage, I'm going to show my loyalty to Mark in the comedy store and take care of these hecklers. That was the only time. I was like, I might have to fucking do some shit tonight, you know? That would have been epic. That'd been pretty cool. They shut up, though. That would be weird, given how things have gone with Mark Marin.

I know, right? It would just seem like you probably weren't the most likely person to be defending him. I know. I know. You know, I was at the comic store there night and meeting him had a great combo, man. Right. He's a good dude. You know, I don't, again, I don't take any of that stuff. Like the Rogan stuff, it's like click-bake stuff. And obviously, he's on the left. And it's like, all right, dude. I don't think, you know, that represents Mark. You know, I don't fuck with it. That's what you want to do. I don't fuck with it at all. But whatever, man, do you think. Yeah. I don't hate him or anything. Like, I like, I like, I like, man. I mean, I'm even kind of, you know, I'm probably like more, you know,

I'm vaccinated. I'm probably like more pro people taking COVID seriously than like a lot of people watching this. I just like have seen stuff from Mark Marin that I felt was like too personal to Joe, too insulting, too petty, too this bitchy. It's bitch shit. It just made me lose respect for him. I don't subscribe to it. Yeah, me too. Same with Howard Stern. I grew up the biggest Howard Stern fan ever. And then now like him sitting on his high tower and judging people and telling Rogan do this. I'm like, bitch, you're lucky the mob didn't come from you. All the racist shit you have out there. Like you're one to fucking He had full black face Dropping and fucking nonstop Weird black accent clips It's nuts

Why are we not talking about that? And again I don't subscribe to that Where it's like Well this guy said this on the right So let's go off this guy on the left Or saying this like well those are bitch moves too Right like that that's that's a bitch shit man That's not that's not what we don't we want everybody to be able to talk

We don't want cancel anybody Left or right middle I don't give a fuck Right so when you start doing well let's cancel him Because you guys try to do it No that's bitch moves man Just leave everybody alone. How about that? Yeah, it's just sad seeing people fall for, like, blatant disinformation campaign type shit.

It's not good. And then they think that you're insensitive because you're the one who's not offended. But, again, that's social media, dude. That's not real. Like, I'm on the ground. I'm in fucking Boise. I'm in Texas. Like, nobody, do you bring up like, what?

He did what? I don't give a fuck. It's only like these loud people on social media where it's the, it's the, minority man. But we give so much power to it. The first time I was ever in a true social media shitstorm and I'm just in my fucking apartment just like miserable depressed for a couple days, whatever, just like thinking that like my life is over and then I just like go to whole foods and like you know go to some restaurant or some shit and like not one person looks at me or acknowledges that on Twitter I am on fire right now and it was just that's like a weird moment where

you realize like, oh, this is a very different thing. Yes. And that's also like, if I post out, oh, Adam's a piece of shit, that's going to get 30 retweets. If I go, oh, Adam's the nicest guy ever. That gets one retweet. That's the culture of social media. Right.

I don't subscribe to it. You think that all these comedians are a bunch of fucking cowards for not defending Rogan when he's under siege? Yes. Andrew Schultz said that, and I thought it was a good point. Do you know Shulte at all? Yeah. He's the best.

I fucking love Shulte. Legend. Super legend. Cushing it. Really close friend. One of the smartest dudes in the game. You know, one of the guys who speaks facts. Right.

He doesn't care about the blowback. But I saw it because, you know, he's kind of like hip-hop adjacent. He does the podcast for Charlemagne and everything. And I saw him defending Rogan. And then I saw multiple like rappers or black podcasters or whatever. Basically acting like Andrew Schultz defending Rogan was him defending white people using the N-word. No, no one's defending white people using the N-word. in any facet. I just don't think you should be canceled

for it. Right. Definitely not defend him using the N-word. I don't fuck with it. And I wish he didn't do that, but it's also like, if you knew the amount of people Rogan has helped out the greatness he's done for comedy, like trust me, this ain't the guy you should

cancel. There's some bad dudes out there. You're fucking with, A, not only the most powerful dude in the business, B, literally, I've been in this business in a while. The best dude I know in the business. Like, you're barking up the wrong tree, man. And you're not going to win this fight. If he's the face of racism,

that says, like, such good things about how much racism has been, you know, diminished. Agree. Yeah, Schulte's the best. And when he talks about other comics not sticking up for him, you know, I won't say names the comics that don't, but it's like, really? After all the shit, Joe's Dunford, and

he spoke out when you're having your shit, you're not can say anything? Okay. Because this will be over in two weeks to Schultz's point. It'll be over in two weeks. Right. Rogan's keep doing his thing. Good luck. when you want to promote whatever you got going on. But you know why, too, when you look at it, like when you think about certain people and you're like,

well, why aren't they saying something about Rogan? And then you sit back and think for a second about their controversies and you're like, ah, they don't want this, this, and this to become today's topic, you know? Which I understand. And then a lot of it, too, yeah, they're protecting their own bottom dollar in their own ass. But I would imagine some of the people were thinking of has reached out to Rogan personally.

Like, I just want you to know, man. And I would hope those guys have done that personally. Right. You'd hope. But during a time like that, someone saying something publicly could potentially mean a lot more than saying something privately. Just because it's bitch moves, but that's the interest. When it comes to this fucking social justice, like cancel culture shit, it's just so easy to say something privately and not take a stand, you know? Yeah, it's a bummer.

It breaks your heart. Yeah. Dude. Yeah, it's a bummer. Right. It'll break your heart. heart. Yeah, definitely. Oh, I thought my phone was dead. I wasn't going to be able to access my questions.

I'm going to be super sad. Oh, you wrote questions. I wrote a few things down. Yeah. Is Jake Paul right about Dana-Witt? In regards to, like, Fighter Pay? This is my take on Fighter Pay. So, you know, you run a business.

I run a business, right? You have your own network. I have my network. You have, you know, I have other businesses I'm involved in. I don't know they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, fucking overhead. I don't know. I know. I know they had their biggest year ever last year. Could they pay them more? 100%. They probably could. I don't know what

that number is. And then also it's not, like, I think one of the reasons, obviously Jake Paul gets a ton of hate and all that stuff, but nobody's done more for fighter pay and like, you know, and putting certain fighters in the spotlight and showing what

somebody can do when they take their career in their own hands in Jake Paul. So I think every fighter instead of hating on him, which you don't see a lot of fighters hating on them now, but before it was really bad. But I think now, like, since he's gone that angle, so many fighters, and Jake has said this, behind closed doors, like, dude, thank you, man. Because guys currently under contract can't speak like that because they'll be, you know, they'll be disciplined, man.

They will. Maybe they don't get the big fight. They want it, the big sponsor. Like, you'd definitely be disciplined. So I think Jake Paul's fighting the good fight. I used to be, dude, when you know how people have chips on the shoulder, I used to fucking stack of Pringles against Dana White. Right.

It's all good now. Thank God he made some of those choices he made that, you know, the reason I left the UFC and I'm grateful for him now. Is it really all good or are you just kind of like accepting like whatever it's in the past? I'm just going to not care about it anymore. No, it's all good. You have had conversations and shit? No.

No, but I've literally, I think being a dad and just where I'm at now, you know, like fucking Andy DeFrain from Shawshank Redemption, I crawl through some shit and I'm in Mexico, man. You know what I'm saying? So I look back. I'm like, oh, it's all good. You know what I'm saying? like he did what he thought was best for his business. Now I run a business.

I'm like, I do what I think is best for my business. I don't know the X's and knows of the UFC. I don't. Could they pay guys more 100%? But if you want change, like it starts with the fighters man. And when they were starting the fighters union, the guy who was in charge of it was the guy who started the baseball players union, which is the best union, the best deal any professional organization has.

So he was behind it. And they asked me to be on the board. to them like yeah let's do it man so we're having meetings every week and then you realize that the guys who are making money in the ufc they're not willing to die in this sword because their pockets are fat so if you can't get the change from the guys who actually could make change you're not going to do it with the the small-time guys right so then i was like oh i'm out man like if these guys aren't willing to sacrifice maybe a little money in their pockets to move the football down the field and improve the game i'm out man right it's if they're going to have to

get their shit together. It's like wrangling cats. The top dudes need to be the ones put in the pressure on the UFC to actually improve pay, but that's never going to happen because the dudes who are the top dudes are, A, not going to say anything because they're doing so well. And B, that group is constantly in flux, you know, like who is the most valuable fighter to Dana White? Like, if you've asked that question three years later, the answer's almost never going to be the same. Yep, but that's what's going to take. If you guys aren't willing to do that, I'm sure as fuck and I can keep fighting this fight. If you don't want to win the fight, you're not willing to get dirty in this fight.

I'm not down for it, man. Right. That's on you guys. But as far as Dana, like, you know, everyone's complain about fighters pay, but we all use iPhones, right? Do you know how much they pay fucking those workers in China make your iPhone? You don't complain about that. But they're invisible to us. Correct.

They don't count. They don't count. Yeah. I know. I know. So it's like pick and choose your battles. That's their thing. I don't know the X and O's the UFC.

Back in the day, I used to talk like I did. I don't. Right. I don't. When I look at the Jake Paul thing, I'm like, at first I was like, maybe he actually could be the person to like really push this issue of fighter pay and really bring it to the mainstream. He could be. That was like two weeks ago and now I already don't think anyone's talking about that.

And I don't think I, like I don't really. Dana, like, it just doesn't seem like it's big enough for him to even really consider that it would matter. He doesn't have to. Yeah. Like, what are you going to do? Yeah. He doesn't have to do anything, you know?

But I think Jake Paul is fighting the fight. You know, he's fighting a good fight, and I think fighters appreciate. And I think whoever, whether he thought of it or his team, it's definitely a good marketing play. I would assume that, like, you know, all the fighters were getting paid like 10 grand to fight. If Dana doubled that, it would mean the world to those fighters. And it would mean absolutely nothing to the UFC. Correct. But again, I don't know their overhead.

I know they had their biggest profitable year last year, you know, so I would assume they could pay them more. Yeah. But I don't know. But that's what you do as a business owner is you don't pay anyone more than you have to pay. And do you have to? And at some point, they're going to really start banging on your door and ask you to pay them more. And, you know, at some point you're going to have to give a bit. I've had this conversation with, like, big-time execs at record labels where they're like, yes, we give them shitty deals.

Because they come back and they try to fix the deal. And we end up having to amend the deal and give them a little bit more and a little bit more as they start to get more power in terms of the artist. Correct. But of course, they want to start from the show. Sheistiest fucking place possible. What is this? You got white dip? Yeah, well, it's just

nicotine patches. Oh, tobacco free. Oh, and they just come in that case? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, you want one? Fuck, no.

No. I don't understand. It's not a part of my culture. I don't know anyone who does this. The Nug boys got me to try it with some fucking dip. They do like straight up dip. I tried it.

I was sucking the sauce. I was like swallowing it. See, this you can swallow and you only get sick. You're putting like four in there right now? Three. I go through a can a can a day. Okay. Yeah.

Shout to Rogue. How's that feel? You like it? I dig it. Yeah, I love it. And it doesn't come from you, like smoking cigarettes or anything? This is just its own independent thing. Own independent thing?

Because there was a study done. It started with good intention because there's a study done. Dak Shepard, do you ever listen to Armchair expert? No. So, Dak Shepard was definitely not your audience, but Dak Shepard was talking about, he's had a lot of concussions, and there was all this research done on nicotine, how beneficial it is for the brain. and there's like a 100-year study on people that smoke cigarettes,

they realize they don't suffer from CT and dementia. They would die of lung cancer because there's fucking smoking cigarettes, but their brains were like dope. You think this is going to help with CTE? It does? Well, the research backs it up where it helps with like down the road with dementia stuff like that. And then also helps like nicotine cereally fires you up. So before I go on stage, I do this, before I do podcasts, I do this.

I fucking love nicotine. Love it. I love smoking cigarettes. but I won't allow myself to go to the store and buy a pack. But if someone has one? If you had one right now, I would be so happy to be smoking it with you. Like you've had a Marlboro Red or some shit. And people see it when I'm interviewing people who smoke cigarettes.

And I'll be like, come on me, give me. I wish I smoked, dude. That'd be so fun on this. That's a cool thing to bond over, yeah. It really is. Yeah. I don't want to start in cigarettes because I do have an addictive personality. You think that?

Oh, yeah. Caffeine, nicotine. I know. I was like thinking about just the sentence of Brandon got, hooked on oxies because he got kicked in the face by Crow Cop I was just like that is a crazy fucking sentence that just

not many people could probably nobody else could say that yeah I don't think so man yeah those oxies are a hell of a drug a hell of a drug and then doctor was like super cool he's like here's 300 of them like yeah I'm the only last two weeks like yeah

but do what you want and I was like okay and I found myself growing out with my boys instead of getting hammered I pop one oxy one beer and it was a great night i remember the night that i had that realization because i had fucking just got a bunch of oxies left somebody back in the day and i fucking took one i go to the bar i drink half a beer and all of a sudden i'm just like flying like what the fuck is happening to my body this is crazy yeah that's what i realized like when they tell you don't drink on these things they're not fucking around no they're not fucking around but it is a

party oh yeah i was more of a zanx guy oh really see i've never gotten the zanis man good time my thing that I was doing for a while before I stopped is I would go out wait are you sober now yeah well I smoke weed but that's it yeah that doesn't count

but I would like go out get drunk find coke do coke find Xanax do Xanax stay up till like 9 in the morning just doing all three back and forth

with girls whatever and man I really needed to cut that by the time I cut it out I really needed to cut it out like it was just getting to the point where like my weekends would become this like four or five day blur. What experience, though.

You know what I've always wanted to try is scissor? Oh, it's the best. Ah, see, you shouldn't do that, bro. I was in Houston and Paul Wall was like a fan and he sent me a grill and he wanted to do all the stuff. And I was like, I think he's sober and I was like losing weight. And I wanted to text him like, yo man, where would I get? Because I was on tour in Houston, I wanted to be like,

where would I get scissor about? But I was too nervous so I didn't text him. Number one, everybody in the, Texas got some lean. Number two, Paul Wall definitely got some lean, even if he ain't drinking lean. But he knows somebody. Yeah, because like it's very hard to get and very expensive, but

like Texas seems like just the place where everybody just has figured it out. I've always wanted to try it. It's a good time, but you got to not drink that much. You got to drink like a very minimal amount. And then when you talk to like real deal opiate addicts, like people who really pop oxies or shoot heroin or

fentanyl or whatever, they're like that's what you're doing because it's It's such like a weak opiate in comparison to the shit that the real junkies are on. Yeah. That it's like the fact that rappers spend so much fucking money on and stuff is kind of hilarious. It's more of like a hype thing. Like it became cool. It's the image of it.

You mix it with fucking soda and it looks cool. Yeah. And they write songs about it. And there's that cool ice, like crushed ice and little, little Wayne is always sipping on it and shit. But you could like pop a perk and it's like. All right. Say less. You know, it's going to fit in your pocket.

And it's going to cost like literally like 2% of what you might spend on the And it looked like an asshole. Yeah. If you ever get into vaping? No. Thank you fucking God. I was doing it. I was, you, dude, I was, my boy, David Lucas, who opens for me, he does a lot of

vape. I like, I like, let me try it, man. Tasted good. And I found myself doing it just on the road. I don't want my kids to see me doing it. And then one night, and I don't suffer from anxiety. I was having an awful anxiety. I called my doctor.

He's like, have you done anything? Like, have you tried? Have you added anything to your diet? And I'm like, no. And he's like, you're still doing the nicotine, you know, the dip. And I go, yeah. And he was there, nothing else. They go, ah, my boy, I'm using his vape, you know, a few times a night and during the day.

And he's like, dude, you're overdosing on nicotine. This is where all the anxiety is coming from. So I just stopped doing it. I was like, I'm out. Really? Yeah, at 38, you look like a fuck boy doing it. Yeah. Like, I look like a kid off euphoria.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, what are you doing, dude? You love that shit, huh? Euphoria? Yeah. Yeah. I was just watching the new episode where you were talking about a little bit. Yeah, I love it.

Yeah. I love it to. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it makes you want to go back to high school. Did you see the new episode? No. Oh my God. Don't tell me.

Don't tell me, dude. You're going to know immediately. The show's so well done. You're going to text me immediately as soon as you see the first scene because it's the most intense scene I've seen in a TV show. Like, I feel bad in describing this as like one of my favorite shows I've ever seen because it's so dark. I'm such a grown man too.

And it's like, this is such a weird, like, teenage TV show, even though it is super dark. It's like saved by the bell, it's like saved by the bell, you know, after dark. I keep thinking about it compared to save by the bell, because that was my shit. That was our shit. Yes. And like, like, I was saying, like, on firing the kid, I was saying to the team there, I'm like, like, this isn't good. Like, you, like, as much as adults, we enjoy it and we've been through high school, you know, my son's five, so it's going to be long over. But if my son was like 15 right now and he watched euphoria, he'd be fucked, dude.

Like he thinks like these kids are doing all these drugs and having fun and doing all this shit. Like this isn't good. Like I came up on saved by the bell. Like I think it, but remember fucking Jessica Spano was hooked on. Caffeine pills. Yeah. Okay. I'm a kid wondering.

But I wasn't a kid wondering like, oh, those look fun. Like I'd like to do that. No, I was like, man, I hope she's okay. Yeah. Yeah. But when you have Zendaya fucking doing heroin and then you have all these rappers talking about all these pills and stuff, it's like these kids are. sort of surrounded by a lot of people telling them about this shit. And people

that they look up to and successful people so it's like they push this narrative and then even vaping and all this shit like it's not good dude. But it's weird because it is painting a fairly full picture of the drug experience like this scene that I'm talking to you about

is once you see it it's the realist portrayal of like getting out of drugs I've probably ever seen on TV and that so that's not being left out of the story but But do you relate to it because you're a former. Is it fair to call you? I don't call you something.

You're not addict? I don't necessarily consider myself a former addict. But I've known so many people that I've seen go through the hell of trying to get off pills and stuff. But I guess I look at it more like what I've seen from other people. But there's a lot of Nazis out there who like American History X was their favorite movie. You know? They don't like pay attention to the end of the movie where like they figure out like, oh, hate is bad. They stop watching it halfway through.

They're like, oh, they wear wife beaters and they have, like, cool tattoos. Yeah, and they're curbs on people. Yeah, this is awesome. They don't, like, necessarily have to think about it. Like, I don't think that, like, Kurt Cobain dying from doing heroin necessarily stopped a lot of his fans from probably doing heroin, right? No, everybody wants to be like him. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, like, because I don't come from that drug culture and I don't know addicts, I've never been through that shit.

So I watch, I'm like, this is so ridiculous. So that's why the fucking Oxy thing really took you by surprise because you actually had no idea that this was going to be. gonna be none yeah none i'd like basically got a a croatian nose job for free then i have to get my nose fixed and then i'm popping these pills right and my buddy's like dude what are you doing like you're this six months i've gone by you still fucking popin oxy i'm like dude it's so fun and they took the pills man you know yeah i remember like 2015 2016 i had a girlfriend who was just like a super normal girl i know what the

fuck she was doing with me and i already at that point knew all about pills and knew how fucked up they were, etc. And she goes to the doctor and the doctor puts her on like a fucking bar Zanax a day or something shit. Jesus Christ. Just because she was dealing with the fact that she was depressed. But she was depressed because she went to college her whole life for four or five

years, however long. And got out realize this. Got a job. Is making like a hundred grand a year. Is realizing like, oh, I'm supposed to be happy and I'm actually miserable and I can't believe that I'm expected to do this with the rest of my life. So she gets kind of depressed. And they put her on a fucking bar a day. That's insane. And I'm like, bro.

do you realize that these like retarded ass girls that I'm around that at parties and stuff they're taking like a bar a day and they're they think that they're partying yes doctor wants you to take that much to improve your life to it to operate as a normal human being and did she listen to you no no no yeah got rid of her pretty soon after you go no yeah I could have told you how that ended dude yeah that's the hell no never sorry again never saw again dropping bars at that conversation yeah it's like all right no but yeah I mean that's I don't know it's still kind of kind of blows my mind. And when I was 15, they had me on fucking crazy antidepressants and shit. Did you need it, though? You know, like some kids. I was pretty fucked up. Were you? I don't know if that was the solution.

You figured you out now, but is it your, I'm sure your fans, though, I don't know. Is your childhood chaos? It had chaotic elements. So not that bad, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was pretty fucked up regardless of, like. Why, though?

Why, though? I don't know. It was just, like, very violent and, like, you know. You had anger issues. didn't want anything to do with like, you know, going to school or doing well in school. But maybe, but see, to me, like, I think we know now, like, there's been a lot of successful people that don't fuck with school. Like, for whatever reason, the structure of school and the way we're brought up in America,

like, some people don't need that structure and they go on to do great things. So I think we're realizing now, like, all right, some kids don't need to do this and they still fucking figure their stuff out. For you, like, you don't fuck with school. You're clearly a smart dude. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I think about it, my parents. if I was born now, like if I had the kind of kid that I was,

my mind would be so much more open to like alternate styles of schooling and education and that kind of thing. From my parents, it was just very much like, you're not behaving, so you're fucked up. So we're going to, you know, yell at you. But, yeah, but see, I don't blame you. Do you have a lot of resentment towards your parents? Because they're doing their best, right? From their perspective, they're like, all right, this kid's has some angry issues.

I guess send them to the doctor. They know best and then, you know. I empathized with them. They were going through a lot and I was not making it easy. Yes. As you get older, you're like, oh, they tried their best. Yeah. And maybe it was in the right path.

They did their best. And it's like. It also made you who you are. You know what I'm saying? This is a weird one. You ever think about this is like, you know, you've made it to the point in your life where, you know, I'm going to assume you're making a lot of money. And I look back at my parents and I'm like, they never even got close to knowing.

Like, I live in fucking L.A. I grew up in New Hampshire, you know? Like, when I look back at my parents, I'm like, they had the most ordinary American experience ever. Nine to five. Somehow now I'm viewing them from this perspective of this person who's made this absurd amount of money from making YouTube videos.

Correct. And I'm looking at my parents and my upbringing, and I'm like, that's kind of amazing. God bless him. God out of that situation. Yeah, man. Same, yeah. Like, now, again, I assume same with you.

Like, I make more now in a month than my parents made in three years. Oh, yeah. Like, not even close, you know, and so it's just a different perspective. But then also, like, my dad was dead broke and then it was like pursued a happiness. He worked his ass off, create this security email, sold his company. And I remember, you know, we grew up in this super small, modest house and this rural neighborhood. And all my friends were black.

And then my dad printed out three houses. And he goes, which one do you guys like? We, you know, we were kids. I was young, man, maybe eight. And I was like, that one's cool. And he's like, okay, cool. And I remember maybe two weeks later, we pulled up to that house. And he's like, you and your brother, go pick a room.

And then it went from being around all black people to all like real strict white people. So it was like such a, such a difference. Wow. And I just remember like, what the fuck is happening? Like, I didn't understand as a kid. Yeah. I remember my dad getting a call when they bought his company. And at the time, he was fucking late 80s, early 90s.

So there was a wire on the phone. I remember jumping up and down and twirling him getting caught in the in the phone. I just remember like, why the fuck he's so excited? And then two weeks later, we're moving this fucking new house. I was like, holy shit, man. Right. But I remember like all the, like my dad leaving early in the morning with his briefcase and telling us like how important discipline is. And at the time, like, whatever, dude.

I'm trying to get some fucking Legos. Yeah. But then you, like, it worked. It worked, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Being a kid in comprehending. class and race is kind of baffling because you just have no frame of reference for it you don't have kids right i have a one-year-old uh one lives with you yeah yeah so you're i mean at one they they you know you're just hoping they don't shit their pants but like with my five-year-old he's starting to realize things now and he goes to a very good school and i struggle with like you want your kid to learn the lessons you had as a kid but the life that we have and the the financial support that we have, they're not going to learn those lessons.

They can't. Some of those lessons can only be taught through struggle financially or whatever it is. So I struggle with that. Like some of his friends, like, I'm probably the poorest one in the school by far. Really? Yeah, and some of his friends are, I mean, dude, I won't mention names, but big, big, big time.

I'll see him on TV and like, oh, that's blah, blah, blah, blah, his dad. And I'm like, yep, like, why is he on TV or why is she on TV? I'm like, you know, like, she's a very famous person. or you know stuff like that so I struggle with that you know and I went to his friend's five-year-old birthday party I'm there with the dad and I'm probably the only one not from like that kind of line of work and I look at the dad and I go what the fuck are we doing dude like this is insane right they have a chocolate fountain made out of the kids fucking profile like this isn't

normal there's like David Blaine doing magic nobody's paying attention to right like when I was five my day gave me a fucking cupcake dude from my kids can't be good my kids one-year birthday, I think my girl spent like 20 grand on the party, which was like catering and like... Did you feel some type of way about it? Balloon shit. I don't go to fuck, but like, it was kind of weird

to like tell my mom that. My mom was asking me how much it costs. Oh, really? Your mom asked that. Yeah, because my mom like, I just kind of starts putting the pieces together in her head. She's like, there's a lot of shit here. There's like a lot of employees like running food back and forth from the table and shit. And that is the scary part is that

your kid might grow up thinking. that it's just the default to be rich and famous and fucking able to do all this crazy shit. And then at some point, they're going to realize that their life experience was actually in the 1% of humans. Hopefully they do. But then also that's where even if my kid's not LeBron James, I hope they play some athletics, because that's going to teach them, you know, like respect and failing and trying again, stuff like that. You know, I don't know. I don't know the answer, you know, because most of the,

Most rich kids grow up, they suck. You ever met a cool rich kid? They fucking suck, dude. If you had asked me off through high school and shit, I would have told you I hate rich kids. Of course. Which does not seem like a sustainable opinion for me for the rest of my life. But it's just not. They never do shit, man.

But you don't join, you don't make the decision to grow up rich. No, it's not their fault. But the most of the ones I knew as like a kid, they sucked, man. Like they never wanted more than they had everything I didn't have. You know what I'm saying? Although when I look at it now too, I'm like, did I just resent them? Like, were they all right? but I just hated them because I saw them as like having all this shit that I kind of wanted.

But I knew I was going to have to work really hard slash break the law to get. Correct. Yeah, maybe. But then also like I'm like growing up like the rich kid never was like the coolest one. Again, maybe resentment because I was obsessed with Jordan Fives. I remember this kid always had the fucking fresh Jordan Fives on my head. I'm like, how the fuck is he getting these, man? Clearly his dad was buying him and maybe he was a good dude.

but I never talked to him because they had new fives on all the fucking time. No, yeah, there was a kid that I can think of growing up who had, like, you know, new shoes, like, all the time. And it seemed like he never wore the same shirt more than once. Yeah, that's annoying. And he had, like, 10 pairs of these Nike shorts, like, that... I just noticed that from seeing him go to school every day that he had, like, 10 different pairs and different colors.

And these were, like, 40 bucks at Macy's or some shit. And I remember just, like, thinking, like, what the fuck? Like, how did he luck out in life enough to be able to have this many people? pairs of shorts. See, and now that's that's Instagram in a nutshell because that was basically an influencer back in the day, right? Like, you would think you're doing well in life and then that kid would come in whatever new Jordan's a new fit all the time. Like, man, fuck that, dude. Now on Instagram, you know, you post a new car you get or something dope watch or maybe your show gets bought out by, you know, Spotify for 100 million. And now, you know, the same type of

vibes you had towards that kid because he has what you don't have, now social media is that. Now those same kids who grew up hurt lash out at you. I'm just, I just work my ass off, man. What do you want me to do, man? I work my tail off to get here. Yeah, putting a little bit of work.

So what's your perspective on this whole operation that you're building right now and you said your offices are in Calabasas? Yeah, think boys studios. Yeah, and you have three weekly podcasts? So I have the shop show, which formerly known as below the belt on Showtime. Right. And I ended my contract December 31st of last year, but I owned all the shows.

Okay. So my deal, I licensed to them, and when the deal ended, it would come with me. They always knew that. Okay. So, yeah, it was just banking on myself. I just figured out I wanted to hire my own team, do things my way. I hated, like, doing a show, and then we'd send it to New York, Showtime would look it over, make edits, changes. They didn't look the way I wanted to look.

So I just hired my own staff and told them I was leaving. They were great about them. I'm still friends with everybody there. So then I would do the food truck diaries, which I brought over now. I do full time. So, yeah, so really, so you got food truck diaries. You got the fight night rewind show where I sit down with the fight and we watch the three most influential fights.

We talk about what's going on with the fights. So you have shop show, rewind, food truck. And I do the Calabasas fight campaign where we watch the major UFC pay-per-views. Right. And it's Chris Delia, Brian Callan, and then usually a special guest. Like we had Rob Derrick or Rampage or, you know, we have Matt Matreone this weekend. We do that at least once a month. And that fighter and kid I do twice a week with Brian Callan, Chappelle Lacey.

Right. And then we do King of the Sting, which is with Theo and Chris Delia as well, Theo Vaughn. That's a lot of fucking content. It is. But I was talking to your team because I always think I, uh, oh, you want to. on my car keys? Oh, it's in the family back. Brendan parked in the middle of the alley.

Your boy was like, I was like, really? He's like, you're good. I have no idea what happened. Take a photo of the park job so I can judge it. Yeah, please do. It's pretty legit. We'll edit it into the fuck.

Yeah, it's just a nightmare. Just blocking everybody. No, but I thought I was doing, and I'm always like, God, I work too much. And then remember it, so I do that Monday through Thursday. And usually twice a month I'm on the road touring, doing comedy. So, and I'm doing sets at night. But you do.

more content than me, Doug. I try to put out. Like your team was telling me, I'm like, what the fuck? I mean, we have a bunch of weekly podcasts. I'm only on one of them, but then I try to crank out like four or five interviews a week. But sometimes I'll do 10 in a week just to be like, all right, then I don't have to do shit next week. Yeah, you

back log them. I love it when I can do it. But I mean, it's tough. Like today, before I came here, I did two food trucks, just because it's Super Bowl week. So some of the fighters in town, they hit me up. Like, coming through, man, I'm like, let's do it. And so those would come out and, you know, March and April. So yeah, so I don't have to do it for two months, which I enjoy. Yeah. But I also have the other

podcast where we interview girls and then we fuck them. Me and my girl do that. Wow. Yeah, you win, man. Onlyplugtalk.com. Brennan shop fans. Yeah, you win. You win. I don't have that show. Dude, I should try it. My demo's all dudes. Steal our model. My demo's all dudes. Yeah. That's why this works for me as well. My demo's all dudes who want to see me and my girl pipe porn stars. Wow. Yeah, you're crushing. I know. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, just interview men who can probably beat me up and we eat food man you never thought about no porn no man life's too good yeah i'll tell you the people ask me that like oh you wouldn't be interested in doing like a triller fight or you know like i'm like oh no no no listen if you see me fighting

fucking mario lopez or nick lachet or some shit life isn't well i'm not selling tickets on the road my podcasts have bombed like successful people the people are doing well aren't doing that shit like you don't want to see if i'm fighting lamar odom i probably got back on oxycotton you know what saying like it's not good yeah that's not a great sign no dude like if you if you get a news here like what the fuck shop's right and lamar odom in atlantic city next week ah man you should reach out you're okay man you all right you know like it's not a good sign dude okay that means everything i've done has failed but oh this is one question i had about uh doing comedy though is when you go on the road doing comedy yeah how does that feel in terms of your reach in comparison of the podcast

because like you might do a podcast and get like i don't know like how a million or some shit on YouTube, probably with all the podcast apps. I'm sure it's like a million plus versus, you know, you go do comedy and you're in front of however many, like how many people would you play for on average? You're probably between 14 to 1,600 a week, depend on the market. And then some markets 2,000 and 3,000. So what keeps you motivated? What keeps you motivated?

Because I always am interested in that because I never did comedy and it just seems like it's smaller than doing YouTube content. Like, yes and no, because comedy, you know, A, when you're on the road, it's a home game, right? Like, you're playing to your audience. So that's why I like to do so many sets in town because, you know, if I go up tonight at the Laugh Factory, yeah, my name might be on the marquee, but it's along with 10 other people. So that's in a way game for me. So I can see how the material is working for everybody. On the road, it's like there's only one way you get good at stand-up.

And that's by doing tons and tons of hours, just like anything. Like, you're a black-bill podcasting, dude. you're doing 10,000 hours. You're a master at it, right? I can't deny it. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be here if you weren't. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to do a fuckboys podcast where I have to base.

It's my show. There's nothing worse. But yeah, you're great, man. I've been a fan for a while. Thank you. So with comedy, it's like there's only one way to try it out in front of a live audience, you know? And it's like certain markets, certain things do great.

Others don't. And so you figure it out. So when we release a special, it's going to connect with everybody. It's the only way to do it, man. Right. Yeah. And it takes years. and years and hours and hours and hours.

It's like it's dope, man. Right. It's fucking cool, man. You're really in love with it? Oh, yeah. This is what I was meant to do. Right. Yes.

Everything has led me to this, man. You feel like you're going to be doing this when you're like 60? Yeah. Yep, yep. But I want to get to a certain level, like the Joe Rogan's the world or Dave Chappelle's, where I can do one show, like a giant theater arena and then fly back home private that night. Right.

So I'm not on the road Thursday through Sunday. Oh, that's how Rogan does it? Yeah. Gangster shit. But they're so, like, he's playing, like, his show in Fort Wayne, Texas sold out in, like, two minutes. It's like 17,000 people. So he'll play that one show and then go back home that night. And, like, the amount of money he's making off that one show, obviously Trump's anything I've ever done.

But it's financially makes sense to leave for that one night and you're back, you're sleeping in your bed. And the private debt doesn't even scratch the amount of money you could probably make off that. No, and the venues are paying for most of that stuff anyways, if you're that big of a mover. What an existence. It's dope. That's crazy. It's dope. And also, like, how many, because I don't, do you, like, do you have any things you do where

you meet the fans, like, face to face, like, direct? Sometimes. Especially, like, we had a store on Melrose. What was the store called? On some shit. But we shut it down two years ago. And then, like, during that, like, many year period that I was there, it was like, I was meeting my fans constantly.

Because I was just always there. And then for the last two years, I've been pretty much. in here and I meet people here and there like stop in public at fucking 7-11 and shit but yeah so much less and I remember like after after the pandemic hit it was maybe like six or eight months later like I took our BMX team to San Francisco and we just go to a skate park and I walk into the skate park and fucking kids are running up to me to take photos and stuff and I legitimately had completely forgotten that that was going to happen and it felt like brand new again and it felt so weird because I had gotten so jaded to it for so long yeah I think I don't

your relationship with your fans. I assume it's similar, but I love... Very abusive. Very abusive. They're mean. Usually I'll just sock them in the face if they ask with her photo, yeah. No, it's dope to see like you're doing something right. Like when you get that one-on-one engagement with a fan, to me it's dope. It means, oh, I'm doing something right. Like I do those tough mutters. We call it the thick mutter. I watch one. Yeah, they're dope. Yeah. And like all these like 400 people sign up to do it with me. I figured 20 people'd sign up. It's tough man it's 15k right so it's right under 10 miles and it's fucking how much does it cost to do that 129 bucks 129 bucks and you have to torture yourself for what like five hours or so on average

i mean if you're chapelle or my brother you have five hours took me like two and change oh okay but then you know like it was straight up dads they're running with me and stuff like that like that's my favorite thing i love it i was watching that and just thinking like would i ever do something like this this just seems like way too much exercising it but you're not even thinking about it because You're with your boys. Like my boy, Mark Harley does it with me all the time. And it's like, it's just a dope, like, bonding experience with the fans, your boys. It's like, you don't even think about, like, the, you know, the physicality of it at all.

It's really dope, man. It's cool. You challenge yourself. It's something else to do. Yeah. It's just dumb. I was watching it. So, but you do it all over the place.

So it's like a real business at this point? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're called Thick Motors. Next one's April 9th. You never had that, like, an injury? Like people getting hurt there? No.

Some of it looks a little risky. I mean, I'm sure when they sign the waivers, you know what I'm saying? Right. But yeah, the electric shock is a bit of a beast. What? They have electricity and you're all wet. Like, it's my least favorite part. I was watching people jump into like blue water off of this thing.

It's a freezing water, yeah. Like ice cold water. That's why it's blue. Is there like anti-freezing it? I don't know what the fuck. It's the coldest water you've ever fucking felt. Yeah, it's nuts. But I love doing that, man.

So it's stuff like that. And then I do meet and greets on tour. So, you know, I don't know, man. I love that shit. So, but in terms of, like, your whole podcast and business and everything, like, now that you don't have the Showtime deal or whatever, does it still make sense? Like, are you still doing great in terms of all that stuff being independent or does... Making more money.

It's more now. Yeah, it's more. So the Showtime thing wasn't really that. Because it was at the time. It was at the time. That, like, this is the catastrophic thing for your career or whatever. Oh, they're so silly. No.

No, I turned out a five-year deal with Showtime because I was like, oh, I'm going to invest in myself, hire my own staff, and just do it all my money. myself because I went through the numbers. I'm like right now I'm splitting advertising with them three ways from the production staff Showtime myself. If I can just figure this out, I get 100% of that. Like, yeah, maybe it's not going to do the numbers

that I was doing for the last five years because we're at 400,000 subscribers. I'll start from the bottom, but at the end of the day, fans don't give a fuck whether I'm with Showtime on Thickboy, on UFC. Whatever it is. They care about me. They're falling me. Like, you know, we've been

since January 1, I think we've gone up like 100,000 subscribers. You know what I'm saying? So it's like they're going to fuck with you, man. Did you feel like that was where people were watching your shit was on YouTube anyway and not really on TV? Because... 100%. I don't feel like my fans watch TV. Like, I feel like if I got a TV deal

that they would still just be watching me on YouTube. Dude, I just got in this argument my agent manager the other day because I sold this show to this network and the show I've always wanted done. I sold the show this network and then like, right, so here's the deal. So Monday through Thursday, is going to be, you know, you're meeting with rioters and do all this stuff.

Then Friday you're going to tape. I was like, well, Monday through Thursday, I have all my shit that I run, man. And how much are they paying me per episode? And they tell me, I'm like, you guys have no idea what animal you're dealing with. Like, I'll lose money if I do this, man. Also, on network TV, nobody's, my fans aren't on there, dude. Right. My fan, they're on you.

They want it now, dude. They want access to it now. Like, this isn't going to work for me, man. Right. They couldn't believe it. Like, you're going to turn this down? Like, yeah, man. That doesn't make sense for me.

But people in the TV business, that's all I know, huh? Yeah, it's a dying breed, man. Like with my, I shot a special in Dallas. I ain't talking about it. So I sold, so shot my special in Dallas. My team shot it, shot the commercial for it. I put all the financing behind it. And then my idea was like, then what presented to different outlets

and have them make an offer, create a bidding war. So we get all these offers. And then the more I'm just, with everything Rogan's going through and just all the, like, the culture right now and comedy and stuff, like that and I talk all this shit. And I'm waiting for this offer from Hollywood. Like, do you talk all this shit? Like, bank on yourself.

Put it on your own network, dude. Put on Thickboy. You can see what happens. Like, that would be the move. Right. Like, that's where you can get the most traction. So that's what you're planning on? I think so.

Yep, my just announced it now. I think so. Yeah. I probably release in March. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be attractive to be building your own platform up like that because as soon as you can get you know YouTube money is nice podcast money like you know in terms of

just ads brand deals whatever that's nice but as soon as you can figure out something that you're doing that your fans like the idea of enough that they'll give you like five bucks yes that like many of them will give you five bucks that's when you really start to like build a business for yourself agree that should be every content creator that's what you should basically be thinking in the back of your head is like how am I going to figure out something that thousands and thousands of people will be willing to give me five bucks for it. And then you're set. Yeah.

Because if you can even figure out one thing and then you can kind of do it over and over. Yeah. Yep, yep. You figured it out, man. You're crushing it. It's it. Yeah.

That's basically it. Shit. Okay, yeah. Anything else that you wanted to talk about? Anything that we should cover? You tell me, my man. Did I miss anything? I don't know.

I feel like I kind of ran through it. Oh, I want to mention this. There was a moment where I thought, thought you were such an asshole. Oh no. Because I watched a clip of you and Bobby Lee and he was telling the story about getting molested. Oh, we're laughing? You were laughing. And I didn't...

Someone had to tell me that. And then I felt like a fucking asshole because I didn't get to. But I was watching it thinking that you actually were having a really hard time not laughing at him sharing this story with you. You got to watch it because you watch the whole episode. My girl brought this up to me years ago. too but once I realized. Yeah, it was a bit because what happened he starts talking about this and he was

making a joke to begin with and as he, because me and Brian Callen kept laughing he'd restart the story and every time restart he'd get worse, worse and worse because he's trying to make us laugh. So out of con- It seemed really funny once someone explain it to me. Dude, it's so funny. Bobby's the funniest person on earth.

He's the most talented dude on earth. But yeah, I'm sure if you saw that clip with no context, you're like, what the fuck? This guy's open himself up and you heard laughing his face. Yeah. When you realize that the entire show was that bit, if you just cut it up, you're fucked. But you realize he was purposely doing it to make us laugh.

I always feel like I'm the one having to explain to somebody that's something that's something that they thought was funny. It was fake. Yeah. You know? Yeah. For some reason, against my own insecurity. I remember I saw you, I think it was at Irwin in Calabasas.

You were like, he's sitting down eating. I saw him like, oh, fuck, there's that. And I'm like, I should probably, because I like when people go out to me, especially if they're in the same space, like, you know, podcast, whatever. And they're successful. Like, oh, what's up, man? Fuck with you. Like, oh, what's up, dude?

Like, because we share a common thing. I'm going to be honest to you. I have no idea if I've ever been to heroin in Calabasas. I'm telling it was you, Doug. Maybe. I'm telling you was you. It's possible. I feel like I went to Calabasas just like two times in my whole life.

And one time was like four in the morning to hang out a little pump. Maybe you were. No, and then I went to Travis Barker's fucking. Travis is my guy. His 15 year old kid's birthday. Travis Barker was like, yo, come to this party. I show up. No, it's his son.

The son? And then I realized like, oh shit, he just like invited me to a fuck his kids. He's the best. You know Travis Well? Yeah. Like the best guy on earth. Yeah, he's fucking salt of the earth. He's in that Kardashian world now.

He is. But he's still a real one, you know? I just saw him the other day. He's a real one. No, yeah. He's the best. It's just kind of hilarious picturing him doing these things and like doing all the celebrity shit. Because like it's not him.

Every time I ever been around him, it felt like the most normal dude ever. Nor does he give a fuck. Yeah, he's the most normal dude ever. I think that's why it works. Like he can deal with that doesn't give a fuck. Like he's not doing for the cloud or anything. Like they've been friends for years. I love both of them.

But I think, yeah, when I saw you, I was like, I should probably say something. And I was like, I don't think he likes me. And I don't know what the fuck. I have no idea where that thought came from. I'm like, ah, fucking I got my car. And then I was driving all through the night. I should have fucking sets.

I'm a fan. Why when I say something? That's crazy. I know. Wow. I've probably done that to so many people too. Or like somebody will hit me up and I'll be like, oh my God.

Like I followed this guy in 2016 and he ever followed me back. And so I thought that he probably didn't like me. And then he just hits me up randomly. And I'm like, oh, that was all in my head. Yeah. Like, they're not thinking about you. We're such pathetic, insecure fucks. Correct.

And the fans have no idea. They have no idea. They might know. Yeah. It's just what we signed up for, man. And that's why we're at where we're at. So you're on no cannabis? No, I don't fuck with any of that stuff.

No, no. I mean, nicotine, I'm a big whiskey guy. I'm a huge whiskey guy, bourbon. Outside that, alcohol, nicotine. That's it, dude. Tons of caffeine. If you have done on your podcast, I'm going to bring the lean.

Oh, say last. See? That's what we're doing. We're using drugs to get ahead in life. Oh, I'm in, brother. All right. We makes it a Sprite or what? Yeah, yeah.

Hell yeah. I'm sewing. Sick. Sick. Brendan Scha. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. Much love.

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