No Jumper - The Cyhi Interview: Assassination Attempt, Ghostwriting for Kanye & Much More

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

Cyhi sits down with Adam for the first time, to reflect on his recent accident, his blessings, working with Kanye and many other top artists, being humble, playing his position and pushing the culture forward. https://www.instagram.com/cyhi/ https://twitter.com/CyhiThePrynce ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper coolest podcast on the world. And today, long-awaited interview with the one and only. Sawha the Prince. How you feeling, man? My guy, Adam, thanks for having me. I'm great. Yeah. Yes, sir.

It's great to see you in good health. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's a blessing, definitely. You know, a really weird realization I had while I was getting ready for this was that moment where I was like, oh, I first seen this guy bag in the day in that fucking yellow wolf video with pill. and somehow my brain had erased the fact that that was you in that video of all the times I heard and seen you since then.

That kind of tripped me out. Yeah, man, that was my breakthrough right there. That was, it was a cool time in our careers because this was when like the first kind of southern conscious hip-hop rappers, I guess they were called lyricists, had kind of rebirthed themselves. and that was the video that Kanye West seen that was like, who was this dude right here? It was all that side. He was like, yeah, get him to Hawaii. Right.

So that's kind of where my career started, actually. That was a great time, really, and it was very much like the blog era. But I remember being like really excited about, you know, you trouble, alley boy, pill. Pill doesn't get, like, he's been written out of history a little bit. When Trab Gondham came out, it blew my fucking mind into a million pieces.

He was on double Xcel cover and it just doesn't really get brought up the way he should because he was fire. Yeah, man, that was when the essence of Atlanta was pure. Like, we were the ones that was like, we kind of got in the game off like showcases and like doing open mics and different things like that. So he was one of them ones that was, you know,

moving throughout the city as long as, you know, as well as myself. Yeah, Yellow Wolf had moved from Alabama there. So it was like, you know, was when big crick came down there so it was like really a you know that was that time of uh early 2010s where we was just like rapping our way into the music industry now it's like you got to have the whole like shebang bang with it you know that's interesting because i mean in in some ways that was an era in which all of a sudden you could start building a name for yourself without a label

without a big rapper co-sign but then at that the same time it was very difficult to sort of make that leap from that sort of level to the next level. Whereas now the labels, this is what they do. They're purely interested in being able to figure out how to take you from nothing into a superstar. Absolutely. Especially if you already kind of did a lot of the groundwork, they're just going to come pour the gasoline

on it and you just, so no, definitely. Were you conscious of like the blogs and shit at that time? Or like, how did you see yourself around that area? What was your plans for your career and how that was going to play out. You know, it was it was interesting then because I had interest from like guys like ludicrous and like jeezy. So when my when I told my team that I'd rather go with Kanye West, they was like what do you mean? Who was Kanye West? Like well because Atlanta was like popping in. So it was like, why would you go over here when you got these artists over here? I'm like,

he kind of fit what I'm trying to do far as on a musical level. you know, artistically. And they was just like, man, you tribut. So it was, like, hard for me to get a lot of support from my own team back then because we had our own stars in Atlanta that they felt were just as adequate or, you know, bigger than Kanye at the time. But I just kind of seen it. I just seen further than my city.

My city is lit. So it's hard to, like, not be indulged in it, you know. It's crazy when you think about it that that was, I don't know, three, four years. before we heard of the Migos. And that, you know, it's like as big as Atlanta was at the time. And, like, I think that was around the time that people really started to say, like, New York is not the heart of hip-hop anymore. Atlanta is the biggest scene in hip-hop.

And that was kind of a new thing. But, you know, like even 2007, 2006 or whatever, it hadn't fully been cemented that that was the case here. Right, right, right. Now, we had, like I said, we had our GZs, our T-I's, our ludicrous. But then that right there kind of put a highlight. on our city on a mass level you know me on a pop culture level as well so then more artists start coming out of the city that's when the future start coming in you know the early on future like when you knew Gucci was still Gucci and you know all that so i think during that time people

looked at look for me to like one of the staples in the city but me i was just a fan of hip-hop growing up I just thought, I was just telling one of my guys that I was in school and all the New York dudes came down to Atlanta. This was around like 98, 99, early 2000. New York dudes was like, you know, coming down a lot. And they would just destroy us in like the cafeteria and the battle raps and shit.

Oh, really? So I just, it was such a shame that I was just like, I got to learn how to rap. Like, I just got to learn how to rap because this is going to keep going on. Right. And then I just figured it out. Then I was the king of the cafeteria after that.

What do you feel like made you the king, though? Was it the wordplay? Was it the ability to really like just roast somebody? It was a little bit of both. It was like you had to have a little personality. But the New York rappers was more like aggressive. I had a bunch of different flows. I had because I grew up on like MJG 8 ball and, you know,

3-6 mafia and stuff like that. But I was a fan of like Nas. I was a fan of Jay-Z. I was a fan of Jay Diller So I could like be on a Lyrical level with them but I had A lot of flows So it was like that's kind of what set me apart

You know what I mean But did you find yourself from a super early age Just gravitating towards Rapping? Like you just knew that that was a skill That you were way above averaging Nah I'd use rap to teach me how to read Really?

Yeah because I used people like That was like a class clown Like you know I had a lot of person I had played ball and shit And the way they would like kind of get at me was like, okay, well, read the page 26. And that's when everybody was like, see, I told you what the dumb man? They woo, woo.

And then we get this wrestling in the clabble all type of foolishness. So then I just kind of like a mixture of that. It was a guy from Philly who kind of taught me how to put my bars and everything together. And after that, I just started battling. And then I, when I realized I was good, it was when people used to rap, other people rapes to me. That's when I knew I was a thrice. I was like, oh, okay, I'm good.

But you actually knew? I didn't know. So I'll tell you a funny story. I was the best rapper in my school until the dude who taught me how to rap, hit me with, How you like me now? I go blow.

This the shit that moves crowds, making that regatta file. I might have took your first child, scarred your life, crippled your style. I gave you power. I made you butt wide. He just broke himself to a gun, and I'm in the eighth grade, like, bro, you 12. But you hadn't heard the Nas song yet?

Because this was back when you had CDs and tapes. Like, you ain't had an internet to be like, you only heard, like, Pastor Troy, what was in your area. That's the biggest scam I ever heard of my life. And about three, four years later, I was in the car with one of my buddies that was from New York. The song came out. I was like, oh, you know my partner? Like, you know Nas? I'm like, nah, brother, my partner.

No, bro, what is you talking about? Right. He's like, nah, bro, this is not. He's showing you see this? Then I knew in the eighth grade, I was battling the lyricists of the year and didn't know it. So that whole summer, I'm just like, this need killed me. I got to get him. I got to go to get him.

I got to go. Right. Damn. So how much interest did GZ show and what was that like? What do you think your career would have been like if you went for that? I don't know because at that time, Jesus was on. fire. You know what I'm saying? He was on fire. And I knew I had some street connections to him. So it was like it was kind of, you know, going to be a good situation. But the crazy thing is,

I don't know what happened. I was there with him for a week. And then the last day, he was supposed to show it to a meeting. We were supposed to sign. He never showed up. And I had to go back to Atlanta because I actually, I was getting like put out my house, like evicted or something. I was like, damn, I was really relying on that situation. So when I went home, it's crazy. And like two weeks later, I was packing my bags to get out, leave my career. My phone, Twitter is just going crazy. Canyi West endorses.

Canyi West and Cunayette West. Because the week after I left GZ, Yellow will put the single out, the video. And then the week after that is when Yey seen it. So all in two weeks I was getting evicted, but I went straight to Hawaii. I didn't need a career for about six, eight months, because I was with Yee the whole time.

Definitely. But, yo, like, you said you had some street connections to Gizi. I saw when I was the Vlad interview that there was almost tension with BMF and shit. Like, from your, like, for people who don't know, you were very much coming from, like, a street background. And BMF was like this juggernaut in the city. And Gizi was there, voice box. Yeah. But it would have been cool for you to sign them.

I mean, during that time, I mean, my street crew was just, it was just intelligence. You know what I'm saying? we knew that, you know, we couldn't be like that. And we couldn't believe it. Like, wow. Like, I had never seen them like that. But I was fairly young. I was too young to be in the club, first and foremost.

Right. So I wasn't even old enough to be in there. So then when they would come in, it was almost like, you know, the folks was coming in too. Because at that time, they was on fire. Like, you, I mean, I've never seen that many nice calls. And a lot of my homies was in it in BML. So I just, we had a rule. I didn't have a rule

O'G's had a rule If you don't leave up out of that When they come in there You're gonna have an issue When you get back to the crib Yeah So anytime they would come in the club And they would come to the best club

And they would go to like five clubs The night so we always had to leave Because they're gonna shut the club down It's like, damn we gotta go bro But was it hard for you to actually abide By that given that You know Nobody wants to be leaving the club

When somebody else shows up But you're having to think about your future a little bit Nah, the dudes I was around, you'll see, you'll have another party day for you. But you better get your ass up out of there, though. Right. They had a thing called Pumpkin Head, and I've seen a couple of dudes get it, where they had knots all over their heads. Nah, I'm good.

I'm going to get up out of here. Like, well, yep, I'm going. That's hilarious. Yeah, for sure. So, okay, you go straight from, like, I mean, I'm just trying to paint the picture of how crazy this must have been that you're, you know, grinding as a underground rapper, for years and years, not to mention doing all this shit and dusty-ass trap houses and all this

stuff. Exactly. And then all of a sudden you get summoned to Hawaii. Exactly. Where had you even been in your life up until then? Like, Hawaii might as well have been frigging Malaysia, right? Yeah. But no, because like I told you, the dude I was removing with, we was just, I was used to

going to New York, Chicago, L.A. all the time. But it was almost like I was on my own now. I kind of had left that alone, because I wanted to be a full-fledged rapper. When I felt like I was good enough to get a situation, I was in a situation. I was signed to A-Conn before I was signed. I never signed with A lot of people don't know that.

I never officially did that. But I was signed to them, and then during somewhere in that situation, that's when Yey kind of found me. It was like, you know what, man, come work with me because you seem like, you know, you need a home or a place to kind of, you know, create since you such a different artist

than most artists that was coming out of Atlanta at the time. Right. And so you weren't thinking about signing with them though? Yeah, but by time, I was already signed a Dev Jam. He was signed to Def Jam. So it was really no point. They didn't want to, you know, at that time, they didn't know who I was. Right. I didn't really become like

taking serious until like so appalled and stuff like that. But then Def Jam just left it how they left it. It was like, we already got them signed. We don't have to. Right. He's over there just keep it like it is interesting so like instead of cutting yay in right right but so okay you're getting off the plane out in Hawaii and like how are you received and what is this introduction to this man like so I got off the plane he had a driver going to get me I get to the hotel my hotel five star so I'm like oh man I got duvades extra towels walking in showers I'm

lit I go to the actual studio, and he was listening to my mixtape when I walked in. I'm like, damn, like, oh, he really, like, because this was like when the blog era was, the Instagram and stuff really had and took off. It was just, he put me on his blog. So when I met him, he was just like, man, your mixtape's so fire, bro.

It's so fire, bro. That verse you did on woo-ty-woo-woo-to-wooop. And then Amber Rose was there. So I knew it was a fish. I was like, okay, this ain't a drink. I've seen shout out of the scene shouted with him. So this looked like it's supposed to look. So connection to reality.

Right, right. This is a real thing that's actually happening. Right, right. Exactly. So I guess that night, same night, he was like, man, I'm about to go to the movies. But man, I was thinking if you could help me write a hook on his song real fast and was so apart. Uh-huh. So I'm like, I bet.

So he's like, I hit you when I get from the movies. So he went to the movies. And he never came back. But I'm in there just listening. Like, so I write the hook part. And I was like, man, I'm bored. I'm excited at the same time. So I was like, yo, engineer, just move me back six minutes

and just let me write a verse just so I can do something. I just want to be creative. So I wrote a verse. And he heard the hook part like two days later, but he never got to the end of the song. Right. So I was out there for about another month, month and a half, and then I had to go to a funeral because my sister passed.

So once my sister passed, I went to the funeral. And the whole thing, it was kind of deep because that same week, the girl that I made staying get a girl pregnant, I don't know how I did it, but it was weird weird. Wow. And I think I know how you did it. Yeah, yeah, I do, but it was a weird night. Like, I don't remember, but I feel you. And she was going to get an abortion, bro.

Right. And a Hawaii number calling me like, she crying. I'm like, I want to keep it, but she wanted to do this for herself. But I'm like, dang, who it is? I'm like, hello. I'm thinking this weed man from Hawaii. He's like, yo, this Jay. I'm like, man, cut it out.

Because he had no phone at the time. So the number calling back two more times. I answered the phone. He's like, yo, this Jay, bro. I'm in here with Jay. And B, they're like, y'all, we just heard this verse. Man, you made the album, bro. We got to put this on the aisle.

I'm like, what? Bro, you got to hit me back. He's just going crazy about the verse. And that was like literally like my breakthrough. So I went through some bad times during that time. But God was just always showing me the other side of just being positive. Like, you know, I take a thing and give it at the same time. So when you heard So Paul, it had all the verses on it aside from yours already?

No, I had, I think it just had pusher. Okay. Yeah, it just had push you. Because that, man, just re-listened to that the other day, I was just like, fuck. That really is one of the best rap songs ever. Something about it. It just had that energy, man. It's just like, because Puscher, I think, I don't know if he had this whole verse.

I think he had, I just know I heard Pusher and I just heard the beat. And then I was just like, man, I'm just going to be creative. Like if I knew they was going to be on the song, I felt like I would have went even crazy. But me, I'm just, you know, just in here playing around and I never knew that. That shit was going to make the album. And that's kind of what made me a staple in the industry. Right. But so that kind of thing, though, where, like, you know, you link with Yeh,

and then all of a sudden he's going to the movies, and you're just sort of posting the studio and stuff. Like, how did you feel about how you were going to fit into this world, this extremely fast-moving, bizarre world where, you know, like, that, I'm trying to imagine where your head was at when you were just sort of trapped in the studio all night, and you're kind of thinking, like, this is dope, but also this is whack.

Like, I'm just here by myself. Like, you already left? I mean, nah, because I knew I was going to be there. My trip. My itinerary was like two months. So I was like, shit, I'm lit. I get a little per diem. I'm cool.

So it's like back then I just knew, I knew I was special because not to just took my own horn, but he used to make me rap for everybody rap in front of every rapper. And I knew, that's when I knew, like, oh, okay, I'm the reason why they did the BET Awards when we did the Cipher in the suits, the Rosewood suits.

I'm the reason for that because he had me rap for, I guess, the director of the head of BET. He was like, man, we got to get him to do this on Woo-U. He's like, yeah, for sure, we'll show up. And then that's how everybody showed up, like, three days later. Damn. But at this point, like, as you're sort of working in that environment, are you thinking that it's likely that you're going to actually put an album out through good music and shit? Or are you kind of, like, because had the idea of being a writer and being involved in this sort of

peripheral way. Had that already entered into your head that this might be the kind of thing that you're going to pursue? I'll tell you, I don't tell a lot of people this, but I had, um, before I met Kahn L.A., I had over 15 deals offered to me. But my street crew was so notorious. I didn't know that I was young at the time like 15, 16. So I'm thinking, yeah, y'all just like me, but when my guys went in there to ask y'all for the money, y'all don't want to. me. So I had already had a deal from every label in the music industry prior to them. But my guys are so fierce that people were like, can't work with him like that because he went down. So as me getting with yay, I was just happy to be in the industry. I never like,

I can't, I ain't going to say I was over my solo career or anything like that, but it was just like, I was just happy to be out the streets and be able to just create because I just, since I were I just like to write. I like to draw. I like to, you know, write scripts, poems. So I just like the fact that I could create. And it just turned into being a songwriter. Interesting.

Okay. So how does that, so you end up leaving, so how do you actually end up getting that deal done? And how did you feel about the fact that you had sort of like inadvertently become associated with people who had such a reputation streetwise that it was going to be that big a deal? Um, it's just like, so I was, um, I met, uh, Boo, A-Conn brother, and he gave me a deal. He gave me like 75 racks. Um, I gave that to my guys to be like, you know, appreciated that I want to move forward, like a loan.

So they were like, okay, cool. And then I was already in the hole because I just gave all my money to this, you know, my guy. So my previous label. So I was just like, okay, cool, I'm gonna just start my whole thing over. So I was working with them for a second. But it just went moving because, like I said, I was a hip hop dude more than just like a trap rapper. They thought I was more trapped because of the dudes I was hanging around. But like, I kind of like all kind of rap.

Like, I don't just like Atlanta rap. So I knew Ye had somewhat of a universal style. So that's why I picked that. And that's kind of just grew to me doing different features. and then just me being in the studio like, yo, bring him in me, I just love his vibe. He's kind of going, he like one of the best lyrics ever. So we ever get stuck anywhere. We could just definitely ask, bro, he's going to be like, oh, just say this, I'll do this.

It turned into that, and then it just turned into being family after that. That's interesting. So what would you attribute about your personality that let you thrive in that environment? Because I feel like Kanye's got to, or someone like Kanye has got to have a lot of people that are kind of in that position where they fly them out, put them in the studio, work with them a little bit, and then it doesn't really, you don't get along too great

and it doesn't end up turning anything. What do you think about you kept you in that situation? You're asking the right question. It's like no one ever asks me, but... But it's hard to be a soldier. I see so many people fuck it up in the rap game. Because I grew up with some real deal

gangsters, mafia gangsters. If you can deal with killers every day and they, you know, know, erratic attitudes and bipolarism, like, yay is a piece of cake. Yeah, it's like, you know what I mean? It's like, bro, this is an angel to me. Right.

You know what I mean? Compared to what, oh, bro, you got a problem. Let's go outside. It's like, bro, I just, that was my Kool-Aid. It's like that fast, you don't wrap the controllers up after you play the video game. Like, let's go outside. Really?

Absolutely. So you grew up around a lot of fucking violence in that situation. And I ain't really like no street dude like that. I'm just a dude who just dropped out of school and thought I could just

do some rap like that. But I just ended up, you know, you got to get something to eat. So. I hear it. Damn. Okay.

So in the nutshell, dealing with, Ye is like, dealing with a Jeff Bezo or song. I love that. He's kind of like wild and you don't know exactly what you're going to get

but it's not going to be a, I'm going to beat your ass. Exactly. Mm. You can scream all you want to give it to me. You know what I mean? Because I understand, what I understand with him is,

bro, will, in the universe. So it's like if you're pulling something, like you tug a war and you're pulling something, you can, ugh, mentally, he's pulling the universe into his favor. Right. So he's going to have some of the moments when you're trying to create Tesla,

you're trying to create a rocket to go to Mars or like, that level of thinking, you got to be as free as possible. So I understood that long as it, you know, it ain't never got out of hand to me. It's like some people, you know, coming there with pride. I left all that behind me. So I'm just understanding of that.

But so did you have to put some of your own ambition on the shelf to become part of this machine and being around all these artists that were so huge? And, you know, obviously there was times in your life where you were thinking like, I'm going to be the fucking star of the show. And then as soon as you get into the studio with Kanye, it's kind of like, that seems less likely now. Right.

Maybe it'll help, but maybe I'll just be helping him. I mean, you definitely have to be a humble spirit because sometimes people do want the spotlight. People do want the dream and, you know, you do want that moment in history. I think with me, it's like to really be able to harp on it the right way, I would say, my the people that I work with sometimes it's just as gratifying as putting out your own album

sometimes it may be a message that I may not been able to get across that I felt like another artist could get across and it ain't I wouldn't say it's over for me I'm heavily sought after as an emce oh yeah you know what I'm saying so you know my my fan base my core I could build it organically and it just keeps

growing and the myth of me keeps growing and then a lot of people don't know a lot of stuff on a part of or behind but I let those artists have those moments because definitely it was their ideas. Is it hard for a song to be fucking insanely huge and you know that you wrote a big chunk of it and then you just don't say shit because that's kind of the code of being a writer. Right. No, it ain't, you know, publishing checks are pretty nice and, you know, I always got friend. I know I got a lot of friends and favors I can always use. I'm just a humble guy. But I think it's not just me being as an artist. I think how I carry myself and how I am is very vintage. I'm not on Instagram. I don't do a lot of that. If I'm going to put something out,

it's going to be a substance. If I'm going to say something, it's going to mean something. These days, you got to, I was on the cusp of whatever the record label. We like the social media stars and people who are going to do that. So, I mean, I like to call myself and, you know, put myself in the position with the Freddie Gibbs or the, you know, the currencies or the, you know, those level guys

that could still put out great projects as you see, like Royce, excuse me, I'm on his album as well. He's nominated for Grammy. So people that still respect the, you know, the art form of it. Not saying that other people don't, but the original like lyricist part of it

where it still, you know, a select few. I was watching that one music video with Royce, who was God, just like such a God-level rapper that it's fucked up to even like try to think about him alongside most other rappers. It's interesting that he saw you as his peer that he wanted on that song. Absolutely. Because I'm like, bro, I'm saying growing up, when I used to battle rap, bro, they would put the money up, right? So it'd be like 10,000. You'll put up 10,000 for your rapper, right? Right.

Then they'd tell them why I'm from, and they would triple it. Like, oh, no, bro, we got 30. We got 30. He's from Atlanta. We got 30. It's going to be easy money. Boy, we'll be having the, boy, guns be drawn trying to get up by this. No, bro, this, because they'd think I didn't trick them.

They'd be asking me for my ID, everything. So I always knew, like, I always knew I was special, so I can do this forever. I don't, I don't have to rush it. So that's funny because that era, of Atlanta being huge. It was like, you know, Gizi, his stylistic change that he put onto the game was just simplifying, rapping down to the most basic elements

and it was hard as fuck. But I could see why they didn't really think that an Atlanta rapper was going to be mega-lirical at the time too, right? That's when Gizi first kind of changed the game. Then it was like street credit. It's like, I got to go back to the street. It's like, man, I just left from over there.

Five, four years ago, I got to go back. nah i'm gonna go with the guy who do you know shoes and make nice you know lyrical songs i'm gonna take that route that's interesting but when you like you write in a verse to go alongside a royce feature your mental has to be in a different place than when you're doing stuff alongside canya because like a lot of the Kanye stuff is meant to be huge right royce is uncompromising he doesn't try to make records that sound like they should be on the radio like when i worry with yeah i have to dump myself down right i still have to feel I still have to think on a high level,

but I got to figure out how to make it simplistic. With Roy's, it's like I can be my natural self. I can really explore my mind. I can really come with some concepts, some, you know, some first person, second person, some similes. I can do my thing. And then that's why I originally,

that's why I really thrive at, I feel like, you know, the more I get the rap, that's when you hear. So, but if you're writing something for Kanye and you're trying to put yourself in Kanye's shoes, do you ever end up writing something for him that basically kind of shocks him

because he realizes that you're witnessing his life and that your perspective on his life might actually be more thought out than how he views his own life? You know what's crazy? That's one of the things that has kept us close. It's like, you know, I understood how to listen. So a lot of times, a lot of our,

if you takes, let's say, a year to write an album two years. 80% of that time is going to be brainstorming, flying. I got to know where you're eating at. I got to know who Anna Winter is. I got to, you know, like, bro, I don't know these people, bro. Yeah, they didn't try to get me this. Man, we're going to snap right here on this part.

I'm like, okay, I got to figure this out. So he would take me to Paris, take me to Germany. And I would be at the spot. So when he going to his like, yeah, we're going to do this. We're going to put this on the song. I already know what he's talking about. I already know the feeling. I already understand where that concept came from.

It came from this meeting or it came from this interview or it came from, you know what I mean? So once he speak to me about, man, what you think about this? And I'd be like, yeah, we should put that in the song on that beat. He's like, yeah, pull it up. He go in and he get the thing. And I already know who he's talking about, God damn right. Yeah. We're coming $5 billion later.

Right. How y'all doing? That sounds like a joyful experience to be able to be on the road with somebody you really fuck with. And then at the end of the day, they sort of like present to you the, it's almost like you're a journalist who is like documenting their life. But it's also like one of his favorite rappers. So he gets to hear someone who's an elite rapper rap about his life from a very, very intimate perspective. That must be very enjoyable. Actually, that's probably the best thing about being a billionaire. If I was a billionaire, I might want to do that as well.

Yeah, that's how he run this whole life. Like, his thing, his, one thing I will say about him, he's the most giving individual I've ever met in the music industry, just in period. Like, he'll be at his brokest and give everybody, everything. He'll have no money just to have everybody around and help him create this shoot. He's going to empty the bank. Like, he's going, like, I've seen dudes who bring in the coffee get publishing.

theme song A leather black jeans on Oh bro Thank you bro Send me your information You wore leather black jeans today When you came Some artists ain't gonna even put your name on the thank you

Oh yeah Like he gonna put you in He ain't gonna give you credit You gonna think you wrote the whole song People were like bro you wrote that song Yep You walked in that with leather black jeans on bro And he gave you publishing

So when Smoke Perp says that he has Writing credit on the I Love It Song with Low Pump That doesn't necessarily mean that much I mean, on pump side. I don't know how much he actually did. Well, that's pumped songs. So that was, he might have, I don't know, I wasn't there.

If he was in the studio, just fucking around, he might have got got. But everybody not like that, though. That's just a, that's a Kanye thing. Like, if you in there, if you're praying with him, if you was in the car, when he thought of the bar, when you was driving, he's going to, you're going to be blessed. He's going to give you something to the point where like, bro, I ain't really deserved it, but appreciate it. But he, every aspect of the room,

Hold on, hold up. Change all, bring this, that. You'd be like, bro, hold on, bro, we cannot. But he ain't gonna say appreciate it. So it's like, that's why he reciprocates how he reciprocates. The universe give it back to him. So a lot of people think, you know, it's hard to be around. It ain't that hard, not to me.

So, but that was my dark, beautiful, twisted fantasy. How many, like, how did you manage to stay in the loop? and keep working on further projects after that. Like, you just managed to stick around? I'm solid, bro. I don't speak out of turn. I ain't looking at nobody. Girl.

I ain't talking about anybody back. I ain't, you know what I'm saying? I ain't speaking if I don't got no knowledge on it. I'm going to ask you to teach me more. I ain't in there thinking I'm equivalent to him. I ain't telling him to take no hat off. If Christ put that on your heart, bro, do what you do. That's your journey.

I don't know what, that's the ultrite beam that you got. Imagine me preventing the niggins from putting out the yeast. Like, man, that'm ugly. You ever think that? And then he sold like a couple million pairs of them. Bro, like, how are you going to, how am I? You got to know, he's not flowing every great designer from every great company in the world on a private jet and put him in a file just to come say, the back of it's cool.

Right of it. Thank you. Anything else? and they're going to check for you too just for helping. So it's almost like he didn't brought 50 or 100 or 100 of the best designers in the world

what I look like like like that. That ain't what I do, bro. I document. You know what I write. So I stay in my lane and a lot of times that's why I feel like a lot of people come in and be like,

man, you should do this and you should do that, you should take the head on. I don't, I don't seen people come in and talk to him. I don't seen people come in to talk to him about, you know, his quotes and stuff. They'd be really, bro.

You can't talk to me like that, bro. Not in my mansion. Security. Really? Yeah, but he'll be like, I mean, dude's being tears. Like, he going to let you get it off. Right. Like, bro, no, you ain't going to be able to get that.

Bro, you got that. I got my kids in here. You know, you're going to have to talk to me a little better. Right. But he let you get it off. And it's like, it's just amazing how complex but also just

kind, bro, it's all at the same time it's just a, you just got to know you're working with a great man in a certain period of time that would be documented forever. And every creation, everything that he says he does, you're going to be a part of something great well after we're going and I believe that.

Were there times that were really defeating and disappointing when you would work on a project for a really long time and then you just record like 100 songs and you never see him and you're like damn, that had like the 10 best verses I ever wrote. This guy has to be there or something.

You're like, a fly on the wall. I'm just imagining the trauma that you've been through, yeah. Ah, man, like, man, imagine how many samples that a designer had to make of these. Oh, geez, yeah. It's like, he or she probably thinking the same thing.

Like, bro, that's my 90th. I don't have verses where I don't wrote 40, 50 verses for the song. And he'd be like, I like the second one. Let's go with the second one. Right. Like, bro, I told you that. And it'd be like, bro, we've been saying that.

But he's going to make sure it can't be 50 other ones better than this one. Or he might pick the 50th one. Right. But our job is to make sure every sample of this song, this shoe, this hotel, this building. I need to see every one possible that could be made.

And then I'll choose. Right. That's how you become a billionaire. But that introduces its own problems. I feel like when you really have too many choices, like if you, like we do a lot of online sales, if you have two options, it's not overwhelming for people to pick from two options. But if you have 50 items, it can be really, really. People just feel overwhelmed and they'll just exit the website because they just kind of give up. Yeah, but you got to figure out how to make it one.

Like I heard a quote where they said Steve Jobs would give the hardest job to the laziest person because he'll figure out the easiest way to do it. So what he'll do is I'm going to take the soul of this. I'm going to take that. I'm going to take that.

I'm going to take that. And sometimes you want to abstract. Then sometimes you're going to want to smooth. So it's almost like he just need to see all. You know, you just got to see everything from a full spectrum of all your options. Like if he's going to make a bag, he's going to go buy every bag in the world.

From a Hermes to an Army bag to a grocery bag to a Glad bag. And then he's going to make the Old Navy book bag that they're going to collab with. You know what I'm saying? It's that type of tediousness. It's that type of research. And that's why I feel like he has that when he was, even when he was doing beats, he's going to go through every sample. I heard he, every album that came out from like 91 to like,

99, he redid every beat on every hip hop album ever. So he would get the whole Nause album and do every Nause, from 1 to 16 on Naza, he redo every beat to the T. Wow. And that's just not, that's just Nile's album, Biggie album, DMAX out, who, everybody who came out before him, he redid their album. Wow. Just to teach yourself how to make beats.

So it's like, if he's going to be that studious with beats, he's going to be that way with everything. Damn, that's actually crazy. And that's how I learned like, dang, that's how you really make sure you win. Like, you have every option on the table. Right. Not when you probably as a shopper, you probably like, okay, I just want to pick this thing. But to create that.

But there's a very different thing, too, because it's like for, you know, if you sample 100 items or you sample 100 shoes and then you choose one to present to the customer, then that has its own value. Giving your customer 100 different shoes to choose from is the problem. Yeah. I mean, how many came out so far? Yeah, but he's done a, you know, it's not like they put out a million different types of shoes, you know?

But for the time being, I do think, like I said, he does put out a lot of material, but he got more stuff, he got, he got bigger ideas than just clothes. Like his hotels, man, is like, man, he got so much. It's just like, bro, you just got to kind of just be there to really understand it. And he hires and put well, you know, groomed people in position. don't put people that he feel like can't handle the weight of their responsibility.

So he's going, like I said, he's going to interview 7,000 people for one position. So it's like, I've seen the man have 32 meetings in one day and I think I was like number 22. I'm like, but how do you have 32 meetings? That don't even sound possible. I've heard from people who have like had a meeting with Kanye of like what it's like that he'll just be working on a million different things at once. And his, you know, helpers will basically be sort of like ushering the meetings in. And it's like, maybe you get a couple minutes of conversation,

but he could just like sort of easily like drift away from it and just, you know, your meeting might just end and you won't even know. You'll be in another meeting. Like, okay, I'll talk to you later. But he just want to introduce yourself. You know what I'm saying? Hear your idea. And he'll call you 10 years later.

Like, hey, bro, I'm ready to do that idea. Like, bro, I don't even want to do that. He's like, no, bro, call your folk, you ring him out here, I'm ready. Right. And like, brother, I met with you in 2009. Right. Like, what do you mean? Bring it back.

So it's like, that's how it is. It's just, you just got to be like water. You have to be like water because one day you're working on some SoundCloud rap songs and he's addicted to porn. And then like two years later, it's like my employees aren't allowed to have premarital sex. And also Trump is pretty cool. How do you ride this wave? Like it just feels like that would be the difficult part.

Because I don't indulge in too much anyway, anything anyway. I think he only means good when he says that. I mean, we have had conversations about all those things. But unfortunately, he doesn't have a lot of time to spend with the world so the people close to him get to spend it with him. And he could have an in-depth conversation about his quotes. Like a lot of times people hear just The one thing that he'll say

Man how this happened If you're the type of person Who you tend to go on you know Hour long explanations And like you know Really long twisting conversations That could be misinterpreted You are not meant for 2021

Because this is the era of the soundbite Of the one tiny little quote Out of that hour long Exactly Yeah And that's something I had to learn too It's like man Twitter got so many

bots and fact checkers and it'd be like, man, you can't win, man. You might as well, I heard Drake said, he said in 48 hours, they'll be talking about somebody else. So sometimes you just got to, if you, excuse me, if you do say something controversial, you feel like you said something that was on your mind, it's like you just got to say it. And the world might have an opinion about it for 48 to 72 hours. And after that, you come back out and you prove and you work towards that goal of being able to get people to see what you were saying or, you know, work, you know, if you say

some controversial, like, okay, we think they don't have this over here. Then go give them that. You know what I mean? And I think that's what he does better than anyone. Like, he does try to, when he does say something, even to me, I'm privy to be there. A lot of people not privy. He's like, y'all, this is what I was trying to say. Remember when we met with this dude, this dude? And they told us, I was like, yeah, I know that. But you don't have that much time. Your jet is on, you know, jet is on ready to go for two hours and you just walk past the stage. It's like, yo, this, this, this, that.

Or you did an interview, this or that. You got to go somewhere because you got another meeting. Right. You don't have time to really, like, sit there like me and be able to have a full-fledged conversation. Definitely. But, okay, so throughout all this of working with Yang and stuff, you also become one of the most in-demand ghost writers

slash writers slash, you know, working on people's albums possible. So it's like, is there ever an awkward moment where it's kind of like I've been grinding on this shit for years, but so-and-so is requesting my services over here, or is it kind of like a fluid thing where you're able to just move around? I mean, most of the time it's guys that I've already been in the studio with, probably like with him or some of my friends that are in the music industry. So it's not that hard.

I just think, man, like, it's only like, I heard this thing called the 5%. And it's like, it's only 5% of the artists that pay all the bills. in the music industry. At the time I came, it was like Jay-Z, Beyonce, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, and Drake or something. Then everybody else just

are like billboards in so many words. You just put the label on your bag, put the stamp on your CD and just be like, hey, you know, I put out my album, you recoup. If you don't, that's the thing. But the people who keep the lights on are just five-the-chin artists. And if I wrote

or are friends, or assisted seven of them. It's like... That's pretty good. Yeah, it's like, how big could I have been myself? We can debate that. But we know what they are. So let me put myself in your shoes.

Okay. When the audio, the little snippets of you rapping, some very significant parts from Astro World come out. Oh, man. And you, as the guy who is featured on these, this must have been the best feeling of like, hell. Yeah, now finally everybody knows that I actually wrote that part. because you're not allowed to be out there saying it.

It would be a bad taste. It would probably violate some kind of agreement. But here it is for the world to see. I ain't like it. Because I, like, we came up with that together. You know what I'm saying? Like me, I don't want to devalue myself. I'm not going to do that because I did have a significant part.

But it's like to be able to remember somebody thoughts and be able to put them down for them when they have a meeting with Nike going on, Dior going on. I got a new daughter. I had surgery in my mouth. It's like I'm just really there to help out. I don't see myself as like, because you've got to think this is one of the biggest artists in the world.

He can have anybody in there to help him. So it was just me just being there as a friend, just cool, like what y'all sounds like? He's playing it. Oh, this going to be crazy. I knew that was the one that didn't have the same BPM as all the rest of them. I knew that was the one that fit a universal. check it

and we were just in that vibe and smoking and just be like no say this it's like bouncing ideas off It feels like a violation of that relationship

in some way when the snippet leaks of the original Yeah because that's not I wouldn't say that's fully how it is because before I was around Traff Trave was a successful artist

Right So it'll be wrong for me to just say it's all because of me Right You know what I'm saying I do think I had a big part in it, but any producer slash writer

that comes in is going to have a part of cultivating. That's why he called you. He didn't call you because he felt like he can do it itself. He called you to get more information on what I'm trying to do on this album and how would I do it? What would you do? What flow would you use?

Okay, I see why you would do that. I see why you would use that melody. So that's really what it is. It ain't like and this is why I tell people all the time. People are like, man, what you're thinking about ghost writing? Because everybody say this about me. When you've already conquered rap, Travis, Drake, Kanye,

they speak for the genre of rap. So when they go to the Grammys or they go to the highest level of music, we want y'all representatives. So the whole hip-hop industry has something to do with a Travis album. The whole hip-hop industry has something to do with a Kanye, a Drake album.

Because they have the resources to be I want every producer that I want who do little baby beats. Bring them up. Who do Nipsey beat? Bring them up. Who do Routy Rich? Bring them up. Who do anybody?

Bring them up here. Because I'm going to fly them out and see what they got. So everybody's contributing to our best artists to be able to put them on the stage next to Adele. Adele or Sam Smith walk up there. And there's 30 people up there with them. I want to thank the violinist, the moraine, the trumpet player, the piano, the producer. They got a whole long list. But a rapper, he got to go out there.

I want to thank God, the engineer, myself. Like, it's hard to compete with 30 great musicians. And we're trying to represent for rap or hip hop, and we can only be in there with the engineer and some weed. Right. It's like, bro, you're not going to be able to beat them 30 people who can read music and heard all. They didn't research.

You know what I'm saying? So we're trying to compete with albums of the year. That's what we're doing for hip-hop. So artists like Drake, artists like Kanye, then they have to get all the information from our huddle. Like, yo, yeah, okay, this is what we're going to do. Break.

And then when they go present it to the world and say, Adele or this country song or whoever, see if y'all can compete with that. And they go back and they bring stormers and they come up with their music and say, Kanye, see if you can beat that. Drake, see if you can beat that. You know, and that's what music is.

That's what pushes the, the music industry and just in the whole. Because we all have the idea that like a rap song is the producer and the rapper. But for me as a person who runs a business, it's like I would have to be a really egotistical fucking asshole to think that my ideas for a t-shirt are the best ideas for a t-shirt. I hire a graphic designer. I hire multiple graphic designers.

They figure out the t-shirts, you know? At a certain point as a rapper, like, and you know, I'm someone who I loved Kanye's music and his verses before he probably even had writers. He's capable. But at a certain point, it's like, well, when I know a guy who I can hire to have part of my team, and I know for a fact that he's one of the best rappers in the world, i.e. you, I would have to be a kind of a crazy person to not want to enlist the help of people like that, especially when he exists on such a giant level.

Exactly. And it's like he already know he influenced me. Like it's like you hear how many artists sound like Drake Like like y'all singing about me more than Because what he doing is natural Then you got people that just sit there and study it They so infatuated with it They just study it like man Like man to the point where you could do

Yay better than Ye can do yay Because you didn't study this man more than he just living his regular life And he has to run all these businesses and shit And meanwhile there's rappers who don't have anything going on and they get to think about rap all day. Exactly. And at the time, he was that same rapper. He was in the studio helping other people,

making sure their songs is right. Writing verses, like, so it's like, one hand, watch the other, both fans watch the face. For sure. Were you there when Kanye and Chance got into it in this viral video that came out a couple weeks ago? No, I wasn't there.

It's okay. You can just tell me everything. No, no, no, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. But it wasn't what the, like, that was a bad depiction of what that was. was. Okay. You know, a lot of times, like, like I said, they're so close like brothers,

you're going to argue. Right. That's, that's normal. Like, but they make it seem like it was more egregious than what it is. But one thing about it is like, man, you got to know who Tom Brady is. And that's what it is. I ain't questioning Tom Brady. No disrespect, but, bro, that's what's on your heart. That's what's on your heart. If I thought you was a file individual, I wouldn't fuck with you no more. I don't think that's what he meant. It's like he's privy to certain information because he can meet

with every sheik in the world. He can meet with every governor, every president, every leader of a kingdom. So he's going to have information that Twitter doesn't have. You know what I mean? Like, it's going to be some things he get to talk about with some world leaders

and some activists and some historians that things that people ain't going to find on the internet. So if he say something, he would have to explain to you where I got it from, what origin it is, where part of who I spoke with to be able to say slavery was a choice. Right. You'd be like, man, what the are you talking about? But a lot of times when you speak of our people, you only start with slavery.

The world's been here for 200,000 years. You know what were we doing prior? You saying we didn't have no kings? You said we had no time Shoot, it was part when Genghis Khan ran everything And the people slayed from Genghis Khan It was like, God

works in a mysterious way He's going to bring that, he's going to shift that power To each group of people Different parts of the world's existence And we just happen to be living in this one Right You know what I'm saying So that's where

If you don't know the history Or what he's reading or the people he's speaking Where he might just say something That may be controversial But it's for you to do your research And I think even when he does say controversial things, people educate themselves. We start having real conversations.

Man, that ain't right. Woo, woo, woo, who, who. And this, this, this. And then you start, I start learning more. Like, I seen so many people cuss them out, bro. I had to do my own research. Right. Like, bro, am I tripping?

Because I had heard six people come in here and just, I mean, his best friends. I'd be like, so I'm looking. I had to educate myself. And I realized, okay, I understand what he was saying. saying i ain't fin to let them deter my feelings of somebody that changed my life and changed everybody in his life through cussing them out because regardless of what you think about that particular statement or what he was intended to say i think that it's a really scary state of affairs if people are scared to have interesting conversations because they're scared that they're going to think the wrong way

you know in the perfect world like people should be so free to examine all the different potential routes of thought that you should be able to dabble in thinking of things that are clearly wrong or clearly not ideal and you should be able to like at least let your brain float there and see it from a different perspective or try to make sense of things and if we really make it so that like your career is over as soon as you say something that's offensive just for you pondering it that's a very that's a very negative state of affairs that's a scary state of offense like people don't know how scared it's like hold on so you're saying I can't even think I can't be like, okay, but what about this?

Well, what about this? I can't say, what about this? Then it's like, you can't question nothing. They can tell you, yeah, it's snow in Texas. But it ain't melting. What's going on? Like, why is it? Why does it look like plastic?

It's like, we don't know. Why are you questioning it? But that is a weird one because it's like, you know, myself, I would assume that the snow is melting and that in reality you're using the lighter. It's turning into gas right away. That's why it's not melting. But whatever. That's okay.

But, you know, there's like a childlike wonder. I wouldn't necessarily assume. I think probably a lot of the people who are melting the snow with lighters are like crazy-ass Q&O and people or some shit. But you have to allow people the room to ponder stuff. And you just taught me something. What? That it could be the gas. I believe that that's the explanation.

Yeah, but that's what I'm trying to say. Somebody like me, if I would have never opposed that, man, why this gas? Why this? I say, you would never educate me. Right. And then I was like, oh, okay, now I feel educated. So the same thing with him is like he's going to put it out there. So each other, because I always ask him like, man, why we ain't got a cure for cancer yet?

If everybody's so smart, why we ain't got a cure? Right. So it is like COVID was tough. So it's like people have to figure out, you figure out how many different tests they did to find the right vaccine or the one that they think is right. Right. They have to do a lot. They got to try. Okay, let me try hot sauceing.

Let me try iron mixed with, you know, because we don't know. Right. Now they figured it out through process of elimination and how to get the gorilla glue out the girl hair. The dude said, man, it was just simple science. I mixed. I would like to see what her hair looks like right now, though. A lot of girls' hair can barely survive having some fucking hair dye in it, never mind gorilla glue. Exactly.

But the scientist, the dude who say he was a scientist and a doctor. he remember his science, you know, chemicals and put it together and it melted it or got it out of here. Right. But it had that problem had to oppose itself for that answer to come. So that's why I think it is. I think he's just will in the universe and he's pushing other people to think harder, think stronger.

What are you sure? Are you positive? Or are you been living a myth? Are you living a lie? Just make sure. You know what I'm saying? Like a human wrote the book. You just always got to keep thinking and keep asking questions.

If we just encourage people to accept the status quo and not continue to try to question things, then it's a very bad state of affairs. Yeah, and we don't progress as a race, I mean, as a human race in that text. Definitely. Do you think Kanye and Drake will have patch shit up? I hope so, man. I hope so. I'd be one of like, you know, I can't really protect.

like I really want to. Like, I'd be like, I like Drake. You know, but I can't, you know what I said? But let me tell you something. He does too. He loves Drake. He loves him, bro. You know, I just think a lot of times with him, it's like,

I heard a quote when Jay Z said, he said, man, yeah, it's like the dude who the Indians are over the hill. And somebody said, hey, man, who's going to go see if the Indians over there? Now, you got all these street gangsters. They're like, man. I ain't going over there Hey, he'd be like, I go with a horse Take off

He'll go over the hill They say he'll come back With arrows holding his back Like hey man, they're over there But that's who he is bro And it's like He's that for every human on the world I've seen him call lawyers

And try to step in and stuff That ain't got nothing to do Like yay I don't like the way They're picking on him So I'm gonna give him my lawyer Right It's like all right bro because I feel like a lot of successful people,

you're always sort of running this program in your brain of like, how is my time best spent? Yes. And then I feel like Kanye is somebody who's sort of doing that, but he's not really like willing to really take his creative mind

and put it in a box. He has to let it run free. He has to just randomly be volunteering his lawyer to someone, even though that 15 minutes that he was on the phone, could it clearly be spent doing something that was going to have a bigger impact Exactly. And that's what it is, man. That's why when they say protect, yay, that's a real thing, bro. I don't care. He can cry around me, scream around me, fight with me, wrestle with me. I don't have no type of way of feel about that. You don't understand because I understand. I've spent enough time with him to understand everything he's doing is meaning good. He's just trying to help other people because he's rich. He ain't got to do nothing for y'all. He ain't got to do nothing for y'all. He ain't got to.

pink no man he can just be like uh he's just overly just just caring and giving but he gonna request a lot but he gonna he gonna pay you for your services as well and you're gonna be proud after that piece come out or that album or that shoe or that design or whatever it is come out and like i said you're gonna go down in history and i really do believe that definitely was it ever awkward for you being that you helped out with sicker mode and then it was later revealed that Sickle Mode was a low-key Kanye dis. I mean, some people knew, but then Kanye tweeted about it, so then we really knew. It was a conspiracy theory for a while, and then it wasn't.

No, it wasn't that, because I didn't know, to be honest, I didn't know Drake was going to be on it. Right. I didn't ever heard that version. Now, I just heard this. That's all I heard. So I can't say that. Definitely. So where are you at?

at in terms of your relationship with Kanye at this point? Like obviously he's in a little bit of a weird mode right now. If you were to believe TMZ, they would be telling you that he's not in a great state of mind right now. Where are you guys at? Man, I don't know where they'd be getting their information from, bro. I mean, he called me when my incident happened a couple weeks ago. He's just, you know, we just talk.

He's like, man, I'm in my monk stage. You know, I'm just being creative. I'm being peaceful. you know, I'm just working. Like, I'm just trying to keep my mind clear. So that's all I really talk to him about. He kind of was asking me where I'm at and what's my head space and was I okay. So I didn't really get into that with him.

You know, if he brings it up with me, then we'll discuss it or, you know, I'll try to hear him out, you know, give him my honest opinion. Even if he wants it. Sometimes he don't even, I don't give him my opinion. I just let him vent or speak to me when he want to speak to me. but I mean, I've been a part of that. I don't know if that's, it got to be signed sealed and delivered before I can really say anything because it could be like, man, you know, just a rough patch.

So, but when I spoke with him, he sounded incredible. Like, I don't think it's getting, now, of course, you lose. It's the woman you love, right? This is your heart. This is your family, your kids. Any dude who's saying he ain't tripping, any pray ain't love your wife. Right.

No, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember when he cried on stage about, you know, people said his presidential run and about this abortion, like, bro, he said, man, the fact that people think I'm crazy for crying is crazy. It's like, bro, I mean, my situation, I was so mad. I just couldn't, I was seeing my friends call me from like I met, like, some of my first friends. Like, bro, you good, you good, man, you good.

I was angry. I wasn't even mad like much, but I just, tears just came out of my eyes like, man, I didn't spoke to him in 15, 20 years, he would have been at my funeral. You know what I'm saying? Like people, life and death is like a joke now. It's on World Star. Everything, world star, world star, world.

Like, bro. Did that occur to you that if you had got killed in that situation, that it would have probably ended up sandwiched between all the other people who passed away that month. It just feels like shit is so fucked up right now that you almost are, assume that when somebody passes, even if they're important, it's not going to get the respect or the attention that it would normally deserve, right?

That's why I know I got stitches in both palms. I prayed to Jesus in the middle of the motherfucking, uh, uh, uh, uh, and he brought me out. When they pilted around, it might have been eight seconds from when I wrecked and they pilted around to see if I was in the car. And you could tell that they were pulling back around to... I didn't, this was the witnesses said. I ain't see that. I was true.

You got knocked out or? Nah. Just couldn't tell. I'm covered in the blood. Right. Took them. Get out that seatbelt. Un.

Surru. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. They couldn't believe that I had no, I mean, I was bleeding from both of ears. They were like, you didn't get black. You didn't black out. I'm like, bro. You don't know the God I serve.

when that story came out a lot of people probably thought like sigh seems like a really nice guy doesn't seem like an asshole doesn't seem like the kind of person that you would imagine that anybody would want to hurt but then when you kind of dive a little bit deeper into your history and stuff it is kind of like oh okay this guy really was in the streets for a long time is there any chances related to that or are these because you don't even live in Atlanta right so it seems even more unlikely that that's that's I mean I don't know where it came from so I can't really speak on it that's that's something that's that's the

eerie part of it it's just like you don't know where it came from but secondly it's almost like even when I was in the streets I ain't do nothing that deserve a fist I don't run off on the plug I gave me something I gave me back to you I paid my way boom boom I had a couple of fish fights what who hasn't you know I mean few shootouts but who hasn't you got to do something really fucked up or somebody want to kill you like 10 15 years later right exactly So I thought it was definitely either a mistaken identity or I do have friends that I grew up with that may still politic or, you know,

Atlanta is street. It's just rapid street, man. It's just like you don't have these artists don't, these labels don't do artist development anymore. So what you think, how you think these records are getting put out? This would be crazy to me. I go to the label, they'd be like, man, how you don't put your eyes?

them out like the other, hey, hey, hey, hey. Oh, you mean, you're talking about the other, the 500 dudes last year who went to prison and the other 500 who died trying to put their record out? Oh, you just see the eight, nine, you know, you see the 21s and the little babies. Them the one out of a thousand that made it. You get what I'm saying?

And it's still kind of hectic for them. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, man, I mean, when I first came in the game, you just had to be talented, had great music and they'd be like, you know what, we're going to sign him, we're going to develop this, we're going to put this out this way, we're going to, you know what I mean? And it was a long-term thing. Now it's like, I want them all.

I already, you already got to have a number one song on the radio. So, Universal, if you pay $300,000, $400,000, not the same you do, but you promote, use that as marketing to get the number one song on the radio, how you think some kid in the middle of Summer Hill or Bowen Holmes get a number one record? it on the radio because he got about three million in the flow. Right. But he lost a lot of friends. He'd probably been to prison.

He probably been shot a few times. And all we do is interview him and be like, oh, he's the biggest artists in the world. But if you see now, Instagram show you, every day his body's shootouts and he getting killed just to put their song out. That's deep,

bro. Crazy. It's like Tom Brady getting in the shootout after the Super Bowl or, you know, know like Russell Wilson after the game. It's like, bro, he's a professional entertainer. Right. You're a professional entertainer.

But you can die about this entertainment. Yeah. But that one, you just get to go home to you and 12 bedroom mansion and everybody just want autographs and wave at you. So this is like something that we eat on ourselves. They use this to

kind of eat at us like, oh, okay, y'all think y'all are bawling. Okay, yeah, we got something for you. And that's just what it is. So it's a lot going on in my city. Now we're the only city open. So all the rappers from every. That's a good point.

Every coast of the world, you know, United States, that's a street dude that I got a bunch of money, but my whole city closed down. I'm going to go to Atlanta. Right. And now it's just like free for all. It's just like, they're breaking in cars. They find breaking the house,

they find anything. They go sell it to a rapper crew. A bunch of different crews from different cities all being in the same. place does not often end up well i remember i was at rolling loud in miami and there were so many god damn shootouts and and crazy shit that happened just in that one weekend and i'm really thinking about it like oh like these dudes want to kill this guy because he did something to their friend and there was no way that they were going to be around each other until now so of course this is where

it all happens and it's like i mean that in itself is just a scary state of affairs where we're scared to congregate because people have issues to such an extent, you know? Yeah, so that's the biggest thing. It's like, man, y'all won, man. Y'all got Super Bowl trophies. Why are we wanting to go back to prison or die about a rap song? It'd be like, bro, y'all can't truce it up. Like, casualties of war.

You're from the street. He's from the street. It's just everybody from the street. You know what I mean? Especially if you're black. You're from the street. I don't care if you grew up. I hate one nigga be like, man, he ain't even front of hood, bro.

My cousin, my auntie, everybody else in the hood. Like, because I grew up in the house. So it used to be like, my cousin used to come to my house and think we were bawling. You know what I'm saying? But I would go to my cousin's house. It's in the projects. Like, one degree of separation.

So it's like if I become a rapper, if I'm from the hood or not from the hood, my cousins, my partners is from the hood. They're going to come with me. They ain't fin to let you do nothing to me because I'm supporting their families. But you probably thought you were past that part of your life, right? Absolutely.

That's what had me hot. Like I had so many street niggins calling me all my old, you know what I mean? Like, bro, all you got to do it, do this. All you got, hey, bro. You know what I mean? Because it's like, now I'm back into the street. I thought I left this 15 years ago. Right.

So it's like, man, that's what had me hot. Like, man, you got all my niggas back activated. We're chilling. You know what I'm saying? We got businesses, real estate niggas trying to go grab the joints. It's like, oh, man. Right. It's like, bro, we got kids, families now.

And that's what it's trickled to, like, innocent people. That's why I feel like in Atlanta. It's just like, it's just turmoil. Now it's like no money out there. So dudes got bags on dudes, you know, robbing somebody, taking their watch, go sell it to another rapper or another crew. They get it.

Now you've made you $20,000. Now you go fuck it off at a club. You know what I mean? Now you got to go do it again because you don't fuck it off. It's just like, that shit just keep, it's just eating at itself. And until, like I said, until we professionalize it, it's like, why isn't, why are they no Sony building in Atlanta?

A universal building. Capital building. But it's the biggest genre of music. Atlanta artists, the big. You ain't even put one building down there. Yeah. When you're in Atlanta, like for me, as somebody who doesn't spend a ton of time there,

but when you are there, it's weird. It feels so different because in L.A., there's a ton of music shit going on, but then you also have the corporate side of things. So that kind of governs it in a lot of ways. When you're in Atlanta, there's mad studios, mad people posted up recording and stuff. Some of the most fun nights I ever had

was just bouncing between studios, linking up with mad different people and just seeing mad people. But then, yeah, there isn't like, you know, there's no attempt to really, like, turn that into a hub in the way that you would think that they could. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you got all that talent there,

like, even in New York or L.A., y'all still got places that talented artists can go. Right. If you don't have a street, but you still go drop your music off at Sony or, you know, because you still got that, especially in New York as well. You still got your universals, you know, your buildings. But like in Atlanta, it's like, you want to get your album out, I got L.C. O.G. Eastside, Jody or, you know what I mean?

One of the guys who got the paper and just be like, bro, can you help me? I got you, bro, but that come with what they come with, you know what I'm saying? So it's like every crew in Atlanta, if you want to be an artist, you got to go. to your OG and your hood who got a check and be like, bro, put me out. Boom, he gonna put this stamp on you, but he had to step on a lot of people to get this money.

And vice versa. Eric Crew got a step. So it's almost like the whole city just stepped out and so many words like running rapid at this point. Right. For sure. So that's, I think I just got caught up in that.

Being I got a Bentley truck, you know what I'm saying? I looked like like I supposed to be. And then the police is like, man, you reacted. like a street dude, so they probably thought you was him. I said, reacted like a street dude. I'm trying to get away. Right.

Look, what do you mean? You reach for your gun, but hey, hey, nigga following me, brother, chasing me down and went in reverse on the highway, everything, but I'm reversing up the highway, track the trailers coming. I'm doing all type of shit to get away. Yeah, the reversing on the highway thing.

That was probably the scariest shit that I heard in the whole thing. And then they start driving the other way? They came. Now they headlights is, pointed at me. And I'm like, man, I'm trying to figure out who I owe who I, I'm trying, can I call this real fast? It was that, bro.

So it's like, when it get on some GTA, like, now y'all, y'all on another level, but I ain't, I ain't trying to be around it. And that's what it, I think that's what the city is, but it's very profitable too. It's like you make it out of Gladiated school, you make it out of Hunger Games, you're going to have the number one record on the radio. Just that story, just that, that rags the richest story, especially in Atlanta where niggas is really getting money, really putting on, females want to be there. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, you make it out Atlanta. It's like, yeah, you got to be solid. You got to be a real one. So that's what people glorify. It ain't even really about the talent. If you could be decent, you're going to be successful. But, you know, with me, I just, I graduated, man. That's a young, young, young, nigger sport to be out here with my guys.

trying to, you know what I mean, get revenge. I'm gonna, you know, I ain't get shy, I got a few stitches, you know what I'm still here. So that's why I kind of kept a humble approach. Like, I don't even want no revenge because, I mean, I lost my little car, you know what I mean? Or I got some stitches, but I just really want to know, y'all, what's the issue?

Like, because I don't have no issues. I don't recall no issue. I can't even think of one. I don't got no baby mama's. I don't got nothing. Like, so I can't even, I ain't hitting nobody else. Like, you know, the normal shit, niggas get into to get into a situation man i'm at sunday service you know what i'm in

i'm in yome i'm like how the hell i get in this so right that's what that's just the that's the paranoia part of it just not knowing what it is but i think it was the sign of guys i was like hey man just get out the way and and keep keep positive keep peaceful and keep doing what you do yeah because i mean that we had an incident where i was on live stream and somebody actually broke into the studio and put a gun in my face and yeah I've seen that. Yeah, that was weird. But I remember walking around after that, just really feeling like, just good about life.

Like, you know, I'm a little traumatized by that situation. But at the same time, I felt like I kind of really felt like I was going to die for a second. And that kind of makes me look at life differently. Exactly. You know, I feel like you probably had a lot of that right after, right? Man, I told my people, like, it was like being alive during your funeral. It was the weirdest thing. It was like so many people check.

on your girls, your old girls crying and woo-de-woo, my mom and daddy, they got to stay strong what I thought they would, because they're such Christian, you know, believers, and Lord got a plan. I'm thinking my parents going to be like, what? Crying and stuff. They was like, actually like,

God got his hand on you. You need to go on to sit down. I'm like, damn, my parents ain't tripping. So that's why I ain't really put it out at first. Because I was just like, but then I knew the news people was dead. People on the scene knew my name. And it was just like, I knew was going to come out eventually, so I just wanted to put it out myself, speak my piece.

But it was just like to hear, you know, people reach out to your friends, you know, the whole music industry reached out to me. Right. That was crazy. Like, I wouldn't have never even been able to talk to, like, try to have no more. Like, damn, like, that's my guy. I wouldn't be able to see, yeah, I want to be able to, you know, see my loved ones, my friends. That's why I was just like, I was happy and mad at the same time.

It was like tears was coming out of my face, but I'm like not even showing no emotion because it's weird. Like, why everybody calling me? And it just was a weird thing. So I definitely understand what you're saying. Like it makes you appreciate all your loved ones, all your friends. But at the same time, just, you know, reflect on it and try to get past it and become peace at peace with it. Definitely. Do you, I'm sure you don't know.

but do you have any idea of if there's going to be any arrests made and that would be fascinating because that seems like that would probably be your best bet at figuring out what the motive might have. Yeah, but there's so much going on, man. It's so many people dying like that. Like, I just seen the story today. It's just sad. It's just like, I don't know. It's weird, man.

I feel like it's other people that ain't got no justice for the similar situations that I went through that. I mean, I had so many girls DM me. They robbed me here. They shot at me here. I'm still trying to learn how to walk. I'm like, learn how to walk. And it's all in Atlanta. I'm like, bro.

So that's why I really had to speak up because I felt like it got to the right people. But I still want to just let the artists know, man. Not even just me, but let artists and young men know that. The goal is to live. life is precious man and I think a lot of times when you're young

and you're going through those setbacks it's like a it's like a slingshot you know what I mean you let it go and you catapult forward it's like

LeBron James wouldn't be LeBron James if he had his pops and lived in an eight bedroom how I mean the suburb you had to put that pressure on that diamond

you know what I mean and a lot of times a lot of these guys fold under the pressure of God putting you know cleaning that diamond for you and in the midst of that they go to prison or they lose their life You know what I'm saying and not knowing that he's just polishing you and molding you so when you do get there you'd be worth what you're supposed to be worth and get in reciprocate what you're supposed to reciprocate Hmm. Definitely

For sure. Obvious question, but did going through this near-death experience make you just want to get the Joe Buttigieg? in battle out of the way just so you won't have to be, you know, like, this is something you probably want to cross off the list, right? To be honest, man, like, I ain't, I ain't, Joe Bunn's really a fan of mine. Oh, yeah, he's made that he's so, he upset that he feel like my best friend won't put me out or put me, you know, I said something to Yeh one time. I was like, man, you're going to kill the music industry with this. He said, man, I'm trying to get us out the music industry. I said, it. But that's unfortunate

for somebody who's trying to get a bag off the music industry. I got a bag off and you got a thing man, I got a, any idea I want to do I got an investor that nobody has. This is a good point. Limiting this. If I want to do hotels, if I want to do

philanthropy work, if I want to do anything I want to do, I got 50 ideas. He could be like, I don't like no, 49 of them, but there's 50, call my accountant. but even just the idea of you and joe button i would demilege joe button though just to be honest like joe button i don't want to do no beats

battle with joe button i need to look you in the face on smack stage something like that telling us said so i'd had a half a ticket yeah you know what i'm saying so i got a half a ticket but do you consider him an elite level yeah absolutely that's why i know i destroy him i already i studied joe button i already

know. He don't know me, though. He don't know how deep this. And then when I get into my feelings, like when I get into my, yeah, when Jesus' little nephew come out, he would have been a walked off the stage before. I didn't even know he was off the stage. Like, oh, damn, bro, I was still going. I'm going.

Yeah. But it might be out of practice, too. It's been a few years. Hey, and that ain't just for Joe Bunn. That's for any artists. That thing they can go with me one. That's what I relish in the most. That's my, That's my purest essence. That's my cheat.

When I'm looking a man in his face and I'm giving him my intellect, I'm giving him my heart, soul, spirit. He ain't going to... He got too much going on. Do you think if you would become a battle rapper that you'd be a legend in that game? Yeah.

Yeah, I would. Because what you're describing really sounds like that skill set. Yeah, yeah, I definitely had, like... Yeah, you got to be a performer as well on that stage. You just can't be a rapper. And, I mean... I dim my light because I got too much light. I'm like cyclops.

If I took these off, this shit just burned down. So I have to keep my, you know, I'm an X-Men, so I have to keep my, that's why I'm humble as a way I am because I know my potential. I know new folks will kill me for what I know. You know what I'm saying? So I give you my little thoughts in black skin here, a little new slate, I'll give you a little bit

Because if I gave you what I really knew, you know, I tell people like, the feds would be at my door if I wrote a tail law. Really? Absolutely. So I just, I'm just grateful for where I'm at, you know what I'm saying? Because I've been around me, like I met Puffy when I was 13. I was in the club with Puffy when I was 13. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like I was round Wolf all in when I was a baby. So it's like I already been around this. I had techno marines when I was in the eighth grade, ninth grade, two skytale pages, a 78 fleet wood, diamond in the back, sunrootop. My partner got a six-four. You know what I'm saying? We used to, when I was with my OG, we couldn't even ride the rap.

You know what I'm saying? You and the motherfucker's $60,000 old school. You got Curtis Mayfield. You know what I'm saying? You can't even put rap on. You'll get pumpkin head. That's hard. So it's like, that's what I was grooming.

So where I'm at now, I'm blessed. A lot of mafia guys, though, they end up. and all like when they're old. Yeah. That kind of appeal to you? Like you could write like this fire-ass book one day and just air out everything once most of the people are gone. Because they did time so they could talk about it after that.

This is true. You know what I'm saying? None of my folks, by the grace of God, that's why they were sharp is they shop. Right. And they made me sharp. So it's like, like I said, when I'm around bosses, when I'm around leaders, I understand what that ain't no difference than Kanye than being with a, a meech. It ain't no different. They both think on the highest level. They both think creatively.

They both are leaders of men. They are all the same thing. It's just this is the, they would consider this illegal and this legal, but they have the same mindset. They have the same drive. They have the same they schedules are the same. They both wake up eight in the morning. They both got a chef. They both, you know what I mean? Got security. It might be secret service or you got these dudes from the hood. It's the same thing. So it's like being around leaders of men, I've just learned that growing up. And then when I got with him, I just understood that he's trailblazing. And people are not going to like it. You know, some people are.

But when you, it's what the mark that you leave and the minds that you open. And that's the biggest thing I'm glad to be a part of. You know what I'm saying? Just the history of it. Because they got to write a new book of the Bible. eventually got to be one it's going to be people in there just make sure you want of them

that's a good point are you still pushing to you have like a freeze high type campaign going you have an album that you really want to put out barcode well I got a TV show I'm doing right now it's like a podcast it's like a I would call it tiny dad slash living color slash Jimmy Kimmel vibes

really yeah I was I was bored man And it was like quarantine. I was like, man, I feel like I'm locked, though. Everybody, this is when the basketball players was in the bubble, telling me they feel like they in jail. I was like, man. Then I just started drifting. Like, man, I feel like that, too.

I got all this music game put out. Woo, woo, woo, woo. These folk want to charge me $30,000 for a sample, woo, I was like, you know what I should do? I'm mentally in jail as well. So I did barcode. This is the shirt. Merch, I'm going to get you something, too.

Oh, I knew that. Yeah, that's hard. That shit's dope. But it's just me. I mix comedians, actors, and musicians all on one show. So we do skits. We do live instrumentation music. I got conjugal visits where I bring in the Instagram models to come dance with me.

I got chefs. We got child time, so we bring a celebrity chefs. So it's like a whole full-fledged show that I did with just a lot of social media guys and actors. and just influencers and musicians myself and we just put together this show called Barcoke. And this was your first time working on something like this? That just kind of came to you during the quarantine. Damn.

They thought you were just a rapper, huh? Exactly. So that's what I'm looking to get into film. I'm a student of Ice Cube. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get Ye to give me an internship. But Ice Cube, if you want, I know you're on the West Coast Ice Cube. Can I just do an internship?

Anything, bro. I just want to be, I just want to learn, brother. What is it about him, though, that you want to learn from him? Because Ice Cube had a similar plight. You know, he wrote a lot for a lot of different rappers. So that just was a skill set that I always thought he had. And he transitions that skill set into Fridays and to, you know, all the other plethora of movies that he have.

So I feel like I have that same skill set. I was writing scripts and poems before I ever wrote raps. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm, that's my real deal. love you know what i mean so you know i think we i think me and q yva's going to link us so eventually he you know we'll put it together i mean cube is kind of like a beyond fascinating character when you think about how early he was on the acting wave and and just being an nbara and how what incredible career he's had since then it's pretty astounding you know big three he didn't win and did

all type of stuff so it's like i that's that's that's a idol of mine he's he's he's a genius yeah i think that was my first rap CD. And it's crazy to think that there's so many kids who are watching this right now, or maybe not right, maybe who didn't make it an hour and a half into this interview, but in general, who just think of them as an actor, and they could never really wrap their heads around,

how big his impact was, yeah. As an emcee, yeah, for sure. That's a fact. Okay, so all this new shit coming, sounds like things are going good. It's unfortunate that you had to deal with this fucking situation. Yeah, I'm going to get to it. Yeah, man.

But it made people really appreciate what I do as well. So a lot of times I get forgotten about. But, you know, I understand because I'm low-key. It's not like I'm chasing the spotlight or anything. But I appreciate you for reaching out, just really giving me a platform to really speak my story. And also, you know, let people understand me a little more since I am. Like, I don't do like, I can't do this.

If we're going to have a real conversation, I got to have a conversation with an intellectual. Right. And I feel like that's what you are, so I appreciate you for inviting me. This is probably a very in-demand interview right now. Everybody wants to know what the fuck happened, but you don't have a ton of answers in that regard. Right. Then you're probably going to have everybody call them again.

But no, I hope the people that see this that did it to me understand the caliber of human I am. You know what I'm saying? A lot of times, you can be right-rah, woo. You know, we lost a lot of bright brothers, man. man like even like nip i was with him like in alana like a month before i was so hurt bro fuck i was so hurt because you know me and him kind of was in that you know we freddy gives me cold you know we all kind of came up together you know what i'm saying so it's like that's like a comrade to me man and and that really hurt and it's like our most powerful voices

it just seemed like they figure out how to get us and then lead the rest of them out like If you tried to kill someone and then the last thing I would want to do is watch an interview with them afterwards. Because if you, like, in order, I assume, in order to get into the mentality to do something like that, you have to really like dehumanize the person in your head. The last thing you want to think about is their fucking wife and kids. That's going to stop a lot of people in their tracks. Absolutely. So, you know, but that's a thing. Like, I don't know them brothers.

You know what I? You know, man, I was young. I should be coming along with the game. That's why I hate, bro. It's like, it's a reason why lions live in the safari of Africa, man. And they have their own, like, they have their own space. Even when the son comes of age and the pride, he kicks the father out of the group. But it's almost like you put them all in one area and tell them fight it out.

That's what it is in Atlanta to me. It's like gladiated school. It's just like, niggins just gonna shoot it out all the way till it ain't no more. And I think the motherfuckers just try to stick to the street cold so much and act like, it ain't nothing, it ain't nothing. Man, that shit's something, man.

We lost a lot of great artists, great people. Like, it's a plethora of artists. I was just thinking about a lot of artists that didn't make it that I was fans of. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I ain't even in it like that. So it's just sad. And I just want our brothers to know and sisters to know, like,

this is a privilege to be able to speak to you and be able to put our music out and be an entity in the music industry and be able to buy mom's houses and, you know, do all those things. Like, I've done all those things. I don't post it. You know what I mean? Like, I bought calls for my whole family. House is everything.

And I don't post it because, first of all, I don't want to get no glory for doing what I'm supposed to do. And you don't want people to know how much of your checks are from my daughter's show. I don't need me on my people stay. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, it's like, I ain't really did. I'm the first generation millionaire. All of us are first generation millionaires.

You know what I'm saying? You got some groups of people that family, them being 10, 12, 50 generations. Like, if something happened to me, man, we go all the way back to zero. Or negative. Or something happened to any of these artists. They whole family go all the way back to zero. And you just took them out of poverty. You, your son, a private school.

You know what I'm saying. That's what they be putting their sons at private school. They around, you know, a complex group of people. You know what I mean? They ain't in the hood. So why you, you know what I'm saying? Why y'all can't really understand now a lot of times what we rap about is our life. That's the only way we can get.

That's all I know. You know what I'm saying? Gratefully, I am good at listening to somebody else's life. You know what I mean? rapping it. But my life is all I know, bro. And that was my journey. And it's just, you know, I'm just glad to.

be here and I just want all the just young men in my city to understand like that that's just God working on you. You know, sometimes you get too frustrated. Just stay the course. Sometimes they get out of bounds and get the doing things they don't supposed to do

but, you know what I'm saying? I hope karma don't even come back on them because I could take a few stitches. I'd rather take a few stitches than the nigga do 20. 30 years for killing me. You know what I'm saying? Because that's sadder than these stitches.

You know what I'm saying? Because I know a lot of dudes, like one of my favorite dudes, not to keep harping on, but Wad O267, and see him do 20 years and had a spirit and just the, you know, the happiness that he had, he only been home for like a year,

man, everybody in there ain't gorillas. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them dudes be sharp dudes, nice young men, but it's just like, you caught up in this one situation, they throw you in there. That's why I got an initiative called jail, judging another innocent life.

You know what I'm saying? You don't know what that man's circumstances is? Right. You know what I mean? So it's hard when a nigga young, got no family. Everybody on dope, or you're doing, ooh, you're just trying to figure it out. So that's why I don't really have no malicious on them, because I ain't get hit gratefully. And I just, like I said, I just want them to understand that.

You know what I'm saying? I'm cool. As long as I ain't got nothing to do with nothing that I'm supposed to have nothing to do with, I'm good. I don't need no revenge. I don't need to put nothing on nobody and nothing. It's just, it is what it is. I get a new whip, a few stitches, cool. Keep them moving.

Keep moving. Hey, man. I appreciate the interview so much. For real. It was actually a shitload of fun, just getting ready for it. Great conversation as well. Yeah, man. You asked some great questions.

I do a lot of interviews and they're like somewhat the basic same questions, but you really dove in on, you know, like really did your research and I appreciate that. And I also, I wanted to pull this up and just say that this moment in this rap video, This is the kind of girl that I was hanging out with around this era. I don't know. The emo haircut didn't make its way into a ton of rap videos. Right, but that was Wolf. Wolf had them all.

They were skaters. All the time. It was everything out there. So that was the start of everything right there. Right there. That changed my life. It's crazy. I got to figure out what pills doing right now.

Yeah, we got to get them up here. You got some stories to tell. Yeah. He's been through a lot, too. It's not a bad idea. For sure. Fuck. Side high.

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