No Jumper - The Danny Diablo Interview: Hardcore Roots, starting Skarhead & DMS, Attempted Murder Arrest & More

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

Danny Diablo a.k.a. Lord Ezec, hardcore punk and hip hop vocalist, mostly known for being the front man of The ShotBlocker amongst other bands, sits down with Adam to talk about the early days of his music era in New York, shares legendary stories and what he's in the works. https://www.instagram.com/dannydiablo... https://twitter.com/DannyDiablo Stamps by https://www.instagram.com/nicholasosp... ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm in here with an absolute legend Danny Diablo in the building. How are you feeling, man? Thank you. Thank you for an introduction. No. Thank you.

It means a lot to me. 100% man. Like you're somebody who I always like just grew up looking at it. I was like, wow, that's like the fucking baddest dude in the world. I'm going to be honest with you. Well, thank you. That means a lot. My music draws a lot of a lot of fucked up people.

Yeah, definitely. I was one of them. I was one of them who related to it. like, holy shit, this dude is the fucking real deal. But I grew up outside of Boston. So I'm also looking at you, like, you and your bands and shit are like the fucking

Yankees, where it's like, okay, this is kind of the other side. But they're fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I always went up to Brockton, Massachusetts. Charlotte Brockton, Hard City. Marvin Haggler, rest of peace. But Brockton was, like,

to us, like, Boston was whatever. But Brockton was, like, hard. Yeah. Cape Verdeans, Dominicans. So, like, I'm from Queens. So, like, it was cool seeing, like, Puerto Ricans in Boston and Brockton. Right. So.

I've seen some pretty extreme violence in Brockton in my day. Yeah. It was definitely going down over there. I had a few crazy stuff in Brockton. Yeah. And in the stories I heard about Brockton or even worse? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure you were wrapped up in some of that. Okay, so take me back in time. You're born in Queens. I was actually born in Harlem. Oh, okay, right. My mother's from Spanish Harlem. My father's from East New York, Brooklyn. Right.

So my father's Jewish, and my mother's poor, I'm getting black. Uh-huh. And so, like, what did you gravitate towards first? Because, like, I was looking at you as somebody who could have, like, very easily just become, you know, a rap fan, like, a sort of rap-type person, but then you also were just, like, attracted to the hardcore side of things. Like, culturally, what did you get interested in first?

Before everything was graffiti. Really? Interesting. There has nothing to do with, everyone thinks graffiti's, the race thing, graffiti straight up. It's the street shit. So I was in graffiti artists, but I was into freestyle, you know, like Lisa Lisa, shit like that. Lizette Melendez, like, Spanish culture music more. Then I got to metal, then I got to hardcore.

Okay. So hardcore was like 87. But before that, I was listening to like the Force MD. New Edition and stuff like that. Right. It was kind of all over the place. At that time, there's a lot of influences coming in?

Queens. Right. I'm from Jackson Heights, Queens. So the Mecca of the world's most populated, like different cultures in one area, Jackson Heights and Ginsburg of World Records. Okay. Amazing.

What was the hardcore shit that you were first drawn to? Like what bands or what shows? And Nostick Front. Okay. Kromax, Nasca Front, Refuge's Law, stuff like that. When you look back at that, does it feel like, holy fuck,

You were just born lucky as fuck to be around for such a crazy era. When I went to school, I was in junior high school, Jimmy Gassopo's brother from Reef's Law, John, was in my class, eighth grade, and we stole Jimmy's weed in a manila envelope since the 80s, 85. Right. So I didn't even know what Harkall was, but we were stealing his weed. Then we're like brothers now. Right.

His older brother is like my older brother. I think so. Definitely. And so you start going to these shows and like, what did you feel like was the thing, like looking back at your younger son? now, what do you feel like it was that just really drew you in there? The violence.

Really? Primarily, even before the music? Yeah, the violence, the brother. It's like, a metal band, when you see like Iron Maiden and a shit like that, you're in the blue seats, you can't afford it, and they don't even care about you. But if you see, like, a Nostic front, your CBGBs, you're right here. And at the end, the single comes up, you know, what's up?

So, and New York City is way different. Boston, it's all mixed. I mean, most of us are Latino, you know? Right. So people always think it's like a white boy shit. It's all mixed and no one cares. I mean? Right.

So that's a cool thing. That's an interesting thing about that because, like, I always used to hear, like, when you really look at, like, New York City, like, hardcore bands that, like, a lot of them come from Long Island or Connecticut or Jersey because it's like, if you live in the projects or whatever, it's going to be pretty difficult for you to, like, afford equipment, never mind having to have a practice space. Like, if you live in close quarters with people, like, practicing and shit is just not going to be that easy.

Also, I think that, like, a lot of dudes, a lot of dudes, like, if you grow up in projects and you're just like a fucking white boy, they'd be like, yo, what's wrong with you? I mean? Like, a lot of kids are, like, misfits. They find the music to belong to something. Like, some people go do the rave stuff, you mean? And art thing was hardcore. That was, like, the darkest time that I can think of in pop culture.

It was when it felt like EDM was going to just take over everything. I was hurt. Deep down inside, I was just like, man, did I really, like, invest my whole life being interested in rap music just for this fucking EDM shit to take over, this soulless trash. It was, it was crazy.

A lot of people in the punk scene became into the EDM scene like, we got to hunt him down and just take them out. The guy that died, smack my bitch up. Oh, the dude from Prodigy. Prodigy, like, that dude's a punk rock guy. Right. They did so much drugs and stuff,

and they started Wednesday a rave thing. But when I look at the thing, you know? But when I look back at, like, the, I watch, like, documentaries about, like, UK techno and all that shit. Like, that actually seemed like a pretty dope scene that they were, like, super passionate about and stuff. Like, I always just, when I'm talking more, I like the era, like, 2011, 2012 when it started to be, like, all these Vegas EDM DJs are, like, taking over the world. And, like, they're the biggest stars. Making money. Yeah.

Yeah. That's when it really kind of seemed whack to me. That's some crazy shit. But so do you know right away, like, that you really wanted to, like, dedicate your life to hardcore when you first started going? the shows like that or like how did you adapt to this? At first it was like music was like I never sang anything like that. The first I did Crown Thorns. I just went in and I never saying to sing the EP training out blues and we did at Rockaway Beach

and it was like like going from Queens all way to Rockway doing that and it was like Rockway Rockway's fucked up so like doing that singing then I then I just it was just natural you mean like the Scarhead stuff I was like going on tour we taught it We toured the world at least 10 times over, man. Right. So. It is pretty wild when you look back at that. How many, like, there's so many hardcore bands that realistically will just spend years and years and years and years of touring and not playing huge shows by any means, but just really holding it down.

But in Europe, it's like, when I play Europe, it's like, we play a tent to be like 5,000 people in festivals, you mean? Right. Like, I'm playing it as like Boozu Vantin's another tent, a Desi Chalph over there, and the dialect of people. was over there, so it was kind of cool, right? Wow. So. Is it weird performing to, like, audiences that are almost, like, no percentage, like, traditional

hardcore kids, the way that you're used to? The Europeans really love it. It's, like, Japan, they really love it. Anything underground, cultural, like graffiti, reggae, they love, you know what? So they're walking to Japan to be, like, a roster, a Japanese roster, or

a girl just like a homegirl for the Fiji's, you know, Lauren Hill, but she'd be, don't speaking English. Yeah. Really weird sometimes. When I was in Japan, it was amazing to me that everybody wanted to show me their fucking low riders.

Yeah. They either do that culture or they want to be like a, like, like, like the Fugees. It's just really weird. Yeah. They don't have no concept of like cultural appropriation. No. Which is great, I think, because like, why the fuck wouldn't they do it on the other side of the world?

Do whatever you want with all this shit that we came up with. I went to a club called Club Harlem in there. And I was bugging the fuck out. I was like, it's like, what the fuck is going on here? Yeah. But like I used to live in Astoria and there was a spot around the corner called Boston Pizza. For real? And I was just like, what the fuck are you doing?

This is nothing to do with what pizza is like in Boston. I went to school in the story. I went to June High School 10 and Brian High School. Okay. I lived on Steinway and Broadway for a few years there. See, what year is this? 2004? Astoria back in the days was ill, like the 80s.

All the Vietnam vets went there for low-income housing. Right. So all the kids went to school with me and all the kids The kids followers beat them. All fucked up. Really? Yeah. That's a nice-ass area now, huh?

Yeah, beautiful now. Right. Yeah. So, okay, when do the term or the acronym DMS begin? Oh, shit. Because is that before the bands and shit? I'm going to ask you about the shit more than other people because I feel like, I feel like I have no reason not to just ask you.

I'm curious. If you want to take the fifth, it's fine, but I'm just going to ask. I'm truthful. They were, like, ask me anything. So, DMS started 86 as a graffiti crew. Oh, okay, okay. So it started with Skydy Banks. We just got out of jail.

We did 26 years of murder. He's out now. He's retired. And Geer. So, Skydy's black. Okay. And Jir is Irish. So a white boy and a black dude that started.

Okay. And it was a graffiti crew? The graffiti crew, yeah. And it stood for what originally? Doc Martin Skinheads. Oh, okay. So we all mixed. Everyone's different things.

Like people here, skinheads, they think it's like, in the West Coast, Nazis, everything. We had beef with Nazis. We would beat the shit out Nazis. Every fucking day, it was like a thing we did. And we took what we, when we first came to the scene, the older dudes had a lot of, like, a lot of Nazi dudes there.

And we fucked them up, and that was it. So they were just kind of like tolerating them being around. It wasn't some shit where they were going to really fuck him up. No, no. They're like, oh, he's cool, wherever. But we came, we fucked him up, and that was it. Right. And a lot of people got fucked up really bad.

You mean, like, so we're street kids. So, like, we didn't give fuck. People got stabbed, beating, hit bats, crowbars, everything. Were you, like, surround about it? Like, because people always talk about how gnarly New York City was in general around that time period. Was it, like, horrible when you look back at it? All right.

From going from Queens on the train to the low east side, which was so fucked that was like Beirut back then. You mean, it was like the South Bronx. No one gave a fuck. Right. So going from Queens on the train to the city, going through different neighborhoods and plus you graffiti rights

so we have beef for everyone so we had beef for everyone in the 80s right so going there going to the show leaving the show you get killed leaving the show just in the neighborhood lowly side so the only thing in the lobeyside was all

Puerto Ricans and punk rockers right in the 80s that's it yeah like I had friends who lived in like fucking sheepside bay and shit and they were bike there were bike riders though so they would have to like go to New York City and they're riding their bike through all of it and they said that it wasn't that bad riding your bike through that area

But then by the time you get to like Bedstah, Williamsburg area, you had to just sprint, pedal as fast as you fucking could. Don't stop at any red lights because it was like a fucking war zone in that part of Brooklyn. Well, parts of Brooklyn, flat bush, Crown Heights, fucked up. But now the hips is moving everywhere. So it's like even the Bronx, they won't go to East New York. East New York's still going. Yeah.

For the time being. But if they do, I give them credit. Right. If they could take that element out. If they could take that, like give them a pass. Let them go, bro. It's fucked up. Yeah, definitely.

But so when you were doing graffiti around that time, what was graffiti to you? Was it primarily just like tagging around New York or were you like piecing on trains? And how far did you take it? My thing was I didn't care about anything. My thing was like just getting up all over the streets and beef. It was all beef. My partner in crime was MQDMS who was a king of graffiti. He's all over the world.

And we had beef for everyone. And when people saw us, they didn't know what we were. They're like, yo, is these acts and this? They're white. They show them. DMS, they've rid through them out too. Right. So, but we got mad respect in the graffiti world.

For sure. In the street world, we got mad respect. So, like, that's, that's, that's, this is my life. It's not, I don't, like, I don't fake the fun for anyone, you know? Yeah, it's always kind of hard for me to explain, because I have so many friends out here who are, like, L.A. dudes who grew up in, like, the L.A. gang banging world, which is so specific. They don't really give a fuck of what people are doing. It's like, it's like, it's always kind of,

weird for me to explain like, nah, I grew up going to hardcore shows and they're like basically like white gangs. Not that there weren't other races as well, but it's kind of like the other side of that. And it's like kind of hard for a lot of people I associate with now to like understand that that world. You know what to bring that world together, the punk rock basically like in LA, the suicidals were punk and the and the lads were punk rock gangs. And unity. They're still out here. You mean? So like all those dudes all, when I came out to LA, I came out here, and I started DMS chapter out here in LA. We got dudes from all different, from State Street, from Canton, from fucking 18th Street,

all retired dudes from there, became DLS. Really? So, yeah, so, like, we're pretty big out here. Yeah, for sure. So, like, all right, when did, so Crown of Thorns was the first band? Crownthorff, 1993 we started. 1993, so you were just a fan up before that, or? I played bass in a band called Discipline, but it was first.

The only show we had played discipline was Boston. Really? Yeah. Okay. And then I played the rap a few times. But Crown Thorns was my, like, everyone was Crown Thorns. Right. So Scarhead is more street shit.

Yeah. Was there like a visible, like, New York versus Boston sort of feud at that time? Or does that take years to sort of prop up? You know, it's funny? Because I would go back and forth to Brockton. The Boston Mike, who was in Scarhead, is from Brockton. I don't know why they call him Boston Mike. It should be Brockton, Mike.

But rest in peace. Yeah. we always had friends in Boston we have a DMS chapter in Boston so all the Boston cats were cool me was I always like that though that was DMS dudes in Boston? 95 okay because when I was going to shows in Boston a lot in like early 2000s and shit it was very much told to me don't even joke about having a crew oh because FSU was out there yeah it was like just don't even don't even have a crew don't joke around about it don't fucking make it a little like joky, like internet thing

because it's just not going to be tolerated at some point somebody's going to beat your ass. But it's funny because of the head guy for Nathan, Elgin Bailey, you know, I met him in 89. We're boys, you mean? So the older FSU guys will always been boys, you mean? There might be some little

here and there, some little things beat that happens between crew members. You know, we get two top dogs in the room together something's going to happen no matter what. Right. So, you know, it's so they're hardcore. They fuck the same girl or fucking, this guy looked at me.

It's always so good girl. You know that. Yeah. There's only so many to go around in hardcore. Have you seen the girls in hardcore? They're fucked up looking. Most of my... On the moss pit, man.

They're going to their nose broken. Most of the bitches are fucking fucked up. That's why I got my girl. How long have you been together? How long been, almost six years? Amazing. How did you land her, man? You're pretty grizzled.

She looks kind of like a spring chicken. It's like this. Okay, so you, all right, so like at some point, you just decided that you wanted to do Scarhead, which to me, like, that I listened to Crown of Thorns a little bit and stuff, but to me, Scarhead was always just like a band that I really fuck with. Because, like, my favorite Boston hardcore band is always Blood for Blood. Oh, for real? Just because I told those guys so many times. Right, I love like the fact that it's more, you know, there's more rhythm to it that like you can. Like trash pop sings.

Yeah, you can understand the vocals better. It's like they're like talking about real shit. Like that's one thing I never liked about Hart's Quays, I felt like people's lyrics were just too fucking generic and just sort of- Stad me in the back. You know, it's this bullshit. I always liked that about you guys

that you were like actually putting your lives in the fucking songs and talking about the shit that was important to you. So what was like the brainstorming behind the scenes before Starhead became a thing? Like what was the vision? No, the vision was a, like to say, first of all, it was like basically put together

by by manager doing Crown Thorns, von Lewis. He managed his kill switch and gauge all these bands. And the poor guy used to manage us and it was like this hell. The poor guy, we gave him hell, man. We went to tour with so many people, but we would, we were getting fights. We got thrown off tours. We'd been, like, we didn't have thrown off the motorhead tour to do his office.

Heard that story, yeah. So it's like, I have basically when, when Boston Mike left, the guy had, Puerto Rican Mike came in. Okay. And the shit just went too crazy. It was like, it was like, we were fighting every day. we would get stopped in every border. We got detained in Canada twice.

I mean, it's like, this is crazy shit. Right. So, but Scarhead started in 98. Okay. That's it. Well, just the first thing we did was in 95, we did an EP, but it was like a full project. But we started going on tour on real band in 98. Okay.

Yeah. And was like Thug Core already a term? The old core? No, we created that Thug Core. Right. And so, but what was that conversation like about what you wanted to get across through that band that hadn't really been done in hardcore yet?

You know what's fucked up? It was just like, uh, light, reflected, that's how we are. I mean, a lot of these guys talk all this shit, whatever, and it's, like, when, um, usually scarred fans love it because we're real, you mean? It's like, when you like a certain emcee and you're like, oh, he's dope, but I can't, like,

I'll slap the shit out of him. So I can't have an MC I love and slap the shit up. You know what I mean? Like, like, my favorite MC, see it's Kooji rap. So you know no one's going to slap Kooji rap, right? Yeah. But you see all these MCs are hard or whatever and then once when you slap the face to him crying like,

I can't listen to you anymore. Yeah, I mean that is kind of a weird thing. It's like in rap, at least now, it's very much like if you're going to be talking tough, if you're going to be talking street shit, you pretty much have to fucking really be doing that. Because otherwise, it's tough to be out here saying, I'm going to shoot 10 people, whatever, and you just

nod that guy. Like in hip hop, your card is getting pulled pretty fucking fast. And I grew up, we, you know, we were We go to Bill Specter as a friend of mine. He used to do these big clubs called Sheets the Pillows. So stretch your arms strong, stretching Barbito. They were DJ, Mighty My DJ, and Mark Ronson, all these guys, famous fucking hip-hop dudes. And we would go there and we were destroying the fucking clubs.

Really? So, most of these rappers, we used to rob the shit of them. They know it. If you say my name, say Ezek, they'll be like, oh, shit, you mean? So it's funny. A lot of those rap guys, there's a whole bunch of rap dudes who are real and should be big. than the young old school dudes, like Royal Flush, Joe Fado, uh, um, Ross Professor, dudes like that, Tragi Kadafi, those are like real dudes.

I mean, Norieggen are real dudes, you mean? Yeah. They get respect. That's why people respect them. But a lot of dudes, it's like, ah, you mean, I can't get into a lot of rap dudes who's like, don't do it for me, don't move me, you think? Right. So it's good.

But I mean, would you say that that's true of, like, that in hardcore, a lot of the greatest hardcore bands of all time, realistically, we're talking to the, like they were super fucking tough and were not at all. Well, I grew up with the real deal. The Cromack's tough. A knox tough. You mean? Like Murphy's Lord, Jimmy's a tough dude, I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So all these dudes, uh, um, Scott Vogel from Terra is my boy. And he, I always tell him stories of the guys that slap in hardcore. He's like, please don't tell me that. I'm like, that guy's a bitch. Breaking into your fucking bubble.

Yeah. Like, but it's funny. Sometimes people understand like these, these, these, groups uh there's normal people yeah yeah but I was a kid

looking at y'all like you were the craziest motherfuckers on earth like how are they not in prison bro these dudes are out of control they're gonna like we did back there we'd be in jail like two seconds yeah

yeah we'd be like we had we were going to tour and we had Interpol and pull us over and be like yo we're looking for so-and-d-d-M. America's most wanted

and we're like whatever right we have feds coming to the thing and looking for dudes were like we had people in our team our family that were on the run for like for a long time so you were getting like pulled over by the cops in new york city as well and where they they were concerned about dms this is the whole thing to them i got i grew up with homicide cops coming to our house all the time really and my father was a cop yeah my father one time made me surrender myself for for attempted murder thing and uh went in there and they they did me dirty but fucking everything came up the two people that

I supposedly stabbed and the other guy but fucked up both didn't were actually cool and didn't press charges when it came down to it. Wow. So but still that those are like and they were hardcore kids. They're real people, street kids but but you know

could have gone the other way, I mean? Did your dad help you get out a lot of shit at that time in your life? They were hanging the phone. If I got locked up my father and mother, my mother hang his phone with me. My mother's straight Puerto Rican like you know go fuck yourself you know what you're doing, don't come to me for help. Right. When you look at how you led your life,

do you think a lot of it was sort of like a reaction to growing up around your dad being in the cop, and having this law and order around you? Most cop sons are fucked up. Really? Yeah. Interesting. In New York City, yeah, I know a lot of guys.

I know a lot of guys who follows the cops that are fucked up. Because the story of your life is basically like you just ran to all the burning buildings you could find. of like, let me just get into all the grimy this shit that I can. And I was so young, I didn't understand. I didn't understand any of that. And it's sad, too, being at my age.

And I've been like, like, I should have, I should have went to school, should have got a fucking real job, you mean? I shouldn't want that path. And they should have been like, hey, you'll do this, but my fault was kind of cool. Like, he told me one time, he was like, I almost got a tattoo once in the Army.

And I go, what happened? He was like, we went to the tattoo shop And my friend's ass was I got tattoos. That's it. He didn't get a tattoo. So he's like, it's like, whatever. He goes, if you're going to do something, make sure no one is around there to see what you do.

That's advice to me. That's great advice. It's hard advice to advise to follow in this day and age with cameras. Yeah, but back then, he's like, I was like, how do that? Just go in the alleyway, hit him with brick, that's what you say to me. Really?

Make sure what the one's around. Wow. Damn. When I think about it, like, when I, I was like, you know, the YouTube algorithm when you're watching Danny Diablo interviews, it also wants to suggest that you watch all these fucking fights from every show. Punk rocker gets beat up by skinheads at this show, et cetera. I'm getting sucked into it.

It's like, I'm fucking, I got to go to bed. I'm trying to finish watching this shit. And I'm just like seeing all these videos I want to watch in the sidebar. And I'm just looking at these kids and just watching this dynamic play out where, you know, a dude's moshing and he fucking kicks somebody in the fucking head. And that kid obviously walks over and he kicks the dude back. and then him and 10 of his friends beat the fuck. You know, and then I'm watching it just thinking like, bro,

these kids, a lot of them, I think, are like attracted to hardcore because it just gives them a venue by which they can sort of like express the violence that they want to take part in by default. And it creates like an environment where they can kind of do it. And it's not, you know, going to get them thrown in jail like they might if they beat somebody up at a football game or something. Well, that's what I'm trying to say. they go there

matinee you're a kid all week you're a kid all week you're dealing with your parents and fucking bullshit in school get there one day

to go crazy it's like it's actually if you go do a football if you're a football player you get you get hurt more as a football

player than going in the pit think about that yeah like I you know when you and it's like you really kind of

have to be in it for it to make sense to you because I remember like at one point not going to a show for a couple years and then going to a show

I'm standing there and then all of a sudden you know the band starts. I'm just watching. All of a sudden, somebody's like just spin kicks and fucking hits me in the head. And I just am like, what the fuck am I doing here? Like, I haven't been in this environment in a couple of years.

What kind of a human being would subject themselves to this? Or I watched them, like, warm up. Like, these kids are fucking retos. Yeah. Like, what the hell is going on? Like, it just freaks me out sometimes, eh? Yeah, because I kind of, part of me can't help but view it from like a normy perspective when I'm looking at a video of a bunch of kids to step in.

and then somebody's like windmilling around hitting people. And like I'm with so many people in my life that don't understand hardcore. And I'm looking at kind of from their perspective, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I could possibly say to make sense of this to you. One time I played the tramps in New York City. And I brought my mother and my father. Everyone was around my mother. And after I performed, I was like, oh, my mother was like, oh, then he was great.

And I looked at my father. He turned and he goes, you're not going to make money in this. And I was like, that's all he said to me. I was like, this motherfucker. But I guess he's just, it is always telling me from the heart, like, you know, like, this is how it is. But was there any connection in your mind between, like, wanting to be in a badass hardcore band and wanting to make money? Or these, like, totally separate things? Because if you're a graffiti kid, I mean, you're just, you're not thinking about making money from this.

My thing is this. I thought at one point, we're doing Danny Diablo, I could make money. Like, I was like, all right, I'm going to branch out. I'll do the mix to hip-hop with the rock and stuff. and they got signed by Hell Cabas Barclay sent me first and then Tim Arthron produced my stuff

and it was like... But that's later that's not you as like a child No I didn't want to get I just wanted to get go fucking I was like a Viking like going on the other fucking city's rape pillage

and it was like it was crazy fight it was crazy It really was like that It was like that It was like a traveling zoo It was right Yeah

It's just totally not about a business It's just about going out And just having Just about going out and just have Oh no At that point in your life Over time you start to look at it like okay this is i'm gonna try to make this work long time it was so crazy

that we would be drinking that we would fucking we get paid in fucking uh coke and it was like yo this give us kill fucking three eight balls right now it's like it was crazy in a van in a van with the dude said that you want to strangle you mean yeah but dude so much of the fucking hardcore that i was like growing up around and shit was straight-edge vegan yeah you guys you never went anywhere near or any of that shit? No, but a call from Earth Crisis was my boy. Right. So we tore it together with Earth Crisis all the time.

And he would stand in the back and just wanted me to tell him stories all the time. He loved it. Really? Yeah. That's kind of cool. Wow, that's funny. But you never like, you ever try to push him?

Like, come on, just do a bump. No, no. No. He's like, he's like, he's a militant dude. Yeah. But he wouldn't even joke around about it like that? No, he, one time we picked us up, and I was supposed to do, uh, go to studio for him.

So he picked me up at a strip club, and I was like, fuck in importing the mic and we're all fucked up and we made him go through McDonald's and get his food but he's like against meat and stuff yeah but he had a- his songs about burning down McDonald's and shit so he's in the front and he had like a baby seen the car front and we're in the back

so it looks like he's ordering for himself he probably was like just looking around before the I'm like yo we taped this and it was funny man then we went to his house and we slept in the baby's room or something we were all fucked up and we went straight to the studio the next morning right

You feel like you ever like really push just patience, though? Because as a person who doesn't get fucked up, besides smoking weed now, a lot of times when I'm around, people who are drunk, I'm just like, bro, I want to fucking smash you over the head with the fucking chair right now, bro. I hate drunks. It's like, how old are you, bro? To me, it's like, that's the worst thing.

When I was someone drunk, I'm with my girl or something. And dudes look at, I'm going to tell you something straight up. No one cares of fuck about a dude with red hair. They see me red hair. When I have a head shaved, when all tattooed, they don't say anything. But I'm right here, push people push me.

Like, it's weird, right. Really? Especially in New York. I was like, I have beaten so many people. Like, it's so sad because I'm beating over a big red afro, beating some guy in the street. Right.

Drag him down the block naked. I mean, stripping them. Naked. So. When's the last time you're going to fight? Two months ago. How bad are we talking?

A little, a shot match? I got out of footage. I was sending you. Really? Oh, I'd love to see it. All right. Definitely.

Yeah. It was out of shut. Or something that had to happen. Really? Yeah. Interesting. So it was like a prearranged? Someone taped it and they put the curing back in.

They put it like a Friday I'm in love. So it's even funny. It's like someone sent this to me a day. Have you got a lot better at not overreacting when somebody challenges you at this point or is it's still an issue? Listen, if I'm, my lady, if I have to, I'm going in. But the thing is, it's hard for me. And that's when people sign me through labels. Like Travis Barker signed me.

And they all, I love Travis Barker and these guys, but I'm like, it's like a double-ed sword. And like I could just flip any second. Like you said a pit bull in the corner, they probably look at me way worse than that. You mean? Like, like, like. Really? But Tim Arstrong, I think these guys sign me. And I got street credibility, music.

But it's like when you do business, you don't want to deal with that. Right. Like, I have a record label. I don't want to deal with a guy who was like a young kid who was going to go crazy. It was to put my money into to get locked up. You mean? so I think about that I'm older now you mean when I was young I think of fuck

you could tell me anything right so yeah I've probably told this story on the podcast before but when I went to white trash rob's house to interview him in his fucking attic in Salem Massachusetts which is pretty epic when I look back at it was he fucked up

no he was out a good point at that point but you know he's talking about it everything but he was wise in the UFC fight that night and I said him he said something he's like man like I could have never done this shit he's like these guys are tough as fuck I'm a fucking pussy and I'm like what I'm like so surprised because I'm like looking at him my whole life is like this dude's hard as fuck and he's and he's like why you think I always had weapons on me and shit my whole life

he's like I could never fought like these fucking dudes and that just like filled in so much of the shit that I was thinking about as a kid because I'm looking at dudes like you and him as being the baddest motherfuckers in the world and it's just very interesting to me to see how the perspective on violence changes as you get older you know what it's also when you When I saw Roger and Billy Milano, S-O-D, they were, like, so big and a large life. And I'm like, look at him, bigger than that. I was like, it's the get older, you mean?

But White Trash Rob, always, to me, I always throw him as the guy from Cheers on the bar, and he knows everything. I used to tell him all the time, he's like, hey, he knows every smart dude, man. That dude is a smart guy. Very. I know he was fucked up my drugs.

I hope he's all right now. But he's a talented dude, too. Like, guitar-wise, songwriting. but those guys look at me like an animal we were toward those guys and they'd be like we would fight everyone bounces everywhere we'd go the bounces would just look at us

they already knew who we were you mean right so I used to wear like pretend glasses and pretend to look different hey this is so they won't fuck with me you mean like but it'd be like oh fuck New York and I mean here it goes right no yeah I was watching a lot of like old shows and stuff and just seeing the crowd

beating the fuck of the security and I'm just and wondering like, how was this allowed to continue? Like, why would this venue allow this to continue happening when their fucking staff is getting the shit beat out of them? Some of these, you know how bounces are usually tough guys from the neighborhood. They pretty much got to be. It has to be.

Like, nowadays, thank God for, like, I thank God for cameras now because it puts me a little bit of check. That makes sense. Yeah, when you look at the hardcore scene now, like, does it feel the same? Like, how much different does it feel to you? comparison to that magic. You got into it at such an amazing time

and lived through so many amazing errors. I think it's so sad because I love my fans. My fans are true fans. I mean, they stick by me. I got the best man's world. But some of these kids now, the new kids are the pussies. I don't know if I can't say what I want to say. It's sad because I'm not into politics.

I'm mixed. I don't give a fuck. If you don't hurt women and children, you're cool with me. Even like this dude's like, there's mad racist people out there and they're like snakes. So people look at me that they won't stay in front of me but they'll say something over there, you mean?

At least when I look at a Nazi dude, I know why he hates me. But there's the dudes that do business for you promoter. When I leave, like, Spick, Jew, that's the dudes I don't like. Interesting. But yeah, I mean, when you look at the hardcore,

I mean, this is like more me having an online perspective, but when I look at the hardcore fans these days, sometimes it just feels like Jesus Christ, you guys all just got into this because you just want to be fucking offended by everything and just talk about the intricacies of what's offending

you today and shit. I'm like, bro, this is so the opposite of what I thought was tight about hardcore when I got into it. No politics. It's like when I was young, you hate the world, man, and you don't understand. You hate your parents. That's why you went to the horridged. Get away from everything. Now these guys are like into politics and talking about stuff.

Or you said this five years and I'm like, what the fuck? Man? You know, it's crazy. I got watch how to the way he speak. I'm from Queens, I speak a certain way, you know mean? Right. And that's it. You know, like, no one's going to tell me, whatever. But some of these people are like, oh, you can't say that. Oh, they think I'm white? And I'm like, what the fuck you're

talking about? Look at my mother. You fucking fucking retard? They don't think I'm like, it's weird. It's weird shit, bro. That's so crazy. It's fucked up. And especially for you, as somebody who's, like, put so many decades of yourself into this. To then to have people try to question when you're like, I got a fucking, you say, your mom's black?

Yeah, my mom's bored. I mean, right? Come on. It's retarded these people. That's crazy. Fuck it. Yeah, but like, I mean, how would you say that your excitement about hardcore has maintained itself? Because I always see like this pattern, like when I was going to shows where you would see like kids who just go to shows every fucking, every day. And that's, they're just doing it and doing it and doing it.

But like the shelf life on that feels like it's only so long because then you have the dudes that are in bands and they start to like actually be doing something. productive with it and they kind of become like the elder statesman of it and stuff but then those same dudes I feel like a large percentage of them kind of lose that enthusiasm of just going to shows just to watch this is what happens you can perform and perform you don't get the money or the recognition you're supposed

to and people just like then you get new kids that don't care anymore or for other reasons you mean people burn out on it kind of fast because they're not they realize like I'm never going to like really have a long term thing going with this right or they go to just go to

college. Yeah. Just that does it. Yeah. The college did they get a real job. That's it. What do you think it kept you so fucking in love with that after all these years, though? You owe me money. You know, I collect money for my boy.

That's what your mind goes to. It's like I would be basically a fucking bounty hunter. I do construction. I grew up with people in my neighborhood who are, don't laugh at my DMS stuff. They're at another level. Really? Of something else.

And they're like, DMS. We make jokes about it, but those dudes, if something goes really bad in my life, I'll go to those dudes. Really? Have to sit down, that's it, you mean? Oh, wow.

So that's how life is. So these guys, too, this and that, guns and shit, I don't get a fuck about that, man. Right. You run around with guns in the 80s and 90s and shit? I don't like guns. I don't like guns. I don't like you

That's just an aesthetic But yeah It's awful so But whoa you always have brass knuckles and knives and shit on you back in the day I've been stabbed so many times Really that was normal shit I just like I got stabbed What's the last thing?

What was the last I got stabbed Oh two A year and a half ago I got stabbed Some guy was being his girl and I stepped in and said Yeah you don't do that And the guy stabbed me up So the guy stabbed me twice here and here.

Holy fuck. Bad? Bad? I'd beat him so bad. It was so bad. It was fucked up. Then the girl started chasing me. The one I protected from him.

He was fucked up his girl, and no one was doing nothing. And you're that dude who, if you see something going on that you don't like? I stopped this. You're getting in there. But the thing is, my father told me never get involved with a boyfriend and girl for a fight

because they'll turn on you all the time. But I knew it, I'll do it again, too. But he was punkered. I fucked him up, but it was like, The guy's standing me. I slice his face. One of my boys was walking down.

One of my boys was walking down from the low east side. He was like, he threw a fucking box cut of me. I cut the guy in the face. It was fucked up. Holy shit. Yeah, so. But whatever.

You didn't end up doing much time throughout your life? I've been fucking locked up a few times, but never like two weeks the most. Really? Yeah. What did they get you for? Like the two weeks one? Tell you murder.

Really? Yeah. Can you tell that story? Yeah, I can tell us so. Let's go. It's been a while. It's been a while, guys. It was a long time ago.

All right. So, this is fucked up. There's a dude, I'm going to say his name, but he was a fucking hard dude from Brooklyn. And whatever, he used to prank my mom's house and stuff like that, to talk shit, whatever. And something happened. And I was working at a bouncer at Coney All High, at his eve. He got stabbed up. He went back home.

He was so drunk. He almost died in bed. So before he, that's the way put him in the ambulance, he said my name. So two years later, I beat for this guy named Nikki X who's played a guitar for me. He robbed

on tour, he was a crackhead. He robbed this lady's house for $50 worth of crack. He sold $50,000 worth of jewelry for $50,000 worth of crack. Oh my goodness. So I found out, I played a show well, crowned thorn to Suicicilat and Tennessee. After the show,

I was like, yo, what's up? And I beat him down, I broke this dude's shit so bad. And then he went back and got the fucking, I fucked him up. He even got paid for fucking the show and left. I caught him out there, broke his head

at a bar. They locked me up for that. I had to get myself for both of them. Wow. So that was it, but that dude is in jail now for killing someone, ran someone over. He got his neck broken too. Wow. So you, uh, you ended up

having to fight those cases or how did they go? They dropped them. They just drop them? Wow. So, yeah. You ever feel like maybe you got a horseshoe up your ass? You got a little too lucky in this life? Maybe, well, maybe they didn't go for a reason. Yeah.

You were meant to be here. It meant to be here. Yeah. Were you always also in love with rap? Or did you see rap and hardcore as being like competing things or just things that you just loved at the same time? I wasn't to rap way. before hardcore and um i always love rap you know it's my old school rap i love like like the large professor stuff like that you know so like uh cnn and stuff like like 90s 80s yeah i'mc

definitely but was it always lurking around your head like i'm gonna try to combine these two yeah start yeah but i just started with more like rock you're right there's more dandym was more hard with hip-hop beats you mean so but like because I know you had this song about Fred Dirtr's at a certain point. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. But were you... Take me back to Dady Diablo observing new metal

when it's at its height, late 90s type shit. I was just man to the Yankee High. You're not from New York City, you're wearing Yankee Hall of me. Especially a red one, you know? Yeah. So, and then the host... I feel bad. Sorry, Fred Ders.

I feel bad because DJ Lethal is my boy. Okay. But when you look back... Have you seen him? sense? You ever see Fred Dirst around? No, but I chill with each all the time. Okay. But if you were in the same room as Fred Ders, you think that would, I don't know. Seems like he's probably past that at some point.

No, what's he going to do anyway? Hey, I want to talk to you out there? Me and Wes. Hold on a second. Yo, I remember seeing a picture of him just the other day where he looks like a fucking billy goat or some shit, bro, his hair and his beard and like, he don't look subculture at all no more. But he has a lot of money.

Yeah. More money than I do, bro. That's a good point. Yeah. You probably fuck Britney Spears too. That's pretty cool. I'll give them that. Free Britney. Yeah, free Britney. No, dude, lock her up.

I'm going to get myself in trouble. I keep saying that on here. I just keep waiting for somebody to hear and get mad. But, yeah, like, from your perspective at that time, were you, like, mortified by New Metal? Because this is kind of like a bastardization of these two genres you love, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was young enough.

I was, like, 12. I was like, this shit is tight. And then within like a year or two, I was like, no, hate breed. Fuck this shit. That's funny a tour with hate breed. Jamie Joshua was my manager at one point. Really? And I fucked this.

He was not sober at the time. Then he got sober after managing me. He was like, fuck this. I can't manage this guy's a fucking animal. What does Danny Diablo's manager do at that point in time? He was just lining up tour dates and shit like that? Just keeping me out of jail. Literally just managing your life, not your career.

So much. My life, I mean, he would take me with him. I would have to go to MTV when he's doing the thing. Right. Away from him, the headbagging's ball. It was crazy. But he's a... Jamie Josh, I love you, bro.

Yeah. I love Jamie. He's somebody who's aged very well on this thing. Yeah, like, he's smart. He's maximized every part of that shit. He's a smart. Like, he's a smart, like, he's white as fuck, too. He's like a white guy.

Oh, you look at him. Like, you are like, children of cornwhite. Yeah. I listened to a shill out of his podcast years ago. He's dope. Yeah. He's killing it. Shout out to him.

But, yeah, all right. So then at a certain point, like, what was the mind state behind, well, with Scarhead, you had, like, a lot of, like, guest vocalists and shit, too, which I always thought was very, like, you know, that was, like, hip-hop,

influence, but I hadn't really seen it done in hardcore, yeah. But, like, was that, like, an intentional thing? Like, we're going to kind of try to embed that and aggressive music, too? I thought two vocals, but my thing is, Scarhead is more flashy,

and, like, more, ignorant. Oh, big time, yeah. You could tell what Puerto Ricans, when we do our music there, the way we are, like, we are fucking, like, Puerto Rican Mike was one of the illest rappers in the world, but he did not give a fuck. Like, I always say that, like, he would destroy stuff. I was always looking at him and tell you could be so much better. He's like, I don't go, fuck. I'm like, you are definitely a Puerto Rican from the Bronx. He just don't give a fuck. He is the Bronx. Yeah. It's fucked up. For sure.

Shout to Puerto Rican, Mike. So when did the conversation start about Ice Pig? Jastra. Real recognized Rio is like, that's the best song, that's the best song. He loves it too. He loves it too.

He loves it too. He loves it too. Hell yeah, dude. Shout to Ice tea. Ice tea, you know, was more, seriously, I love Ice tea and we became friends. That's my, you know, shout to Ice Tea.

You know, he's influenced me so much. I mean? So like, like, like dudes like that. Like, it's very rare in our business that cool and infreting, I respect. Yeah. Yeah, that's, like, one thing that you could kind of say about you guys is that, like, there's been very few people from hardcore that have been able to sort of, like, crossover to, like, making rappers understand that what they're doing is tight.

And now it's, like, one thing that you guys kind of, like, were able to get across that. I feel like a lot of people have kind of struggled with. Yeah, it's weird. I think it's very hard early days listening to rap and rock. It bothered me a lot. It wasn't done right. It wasn't organic. It was always forced to like,

so, you know, but bands like Onyx, I loved it. And the MOP, that's hard shit, man. I love MOP. I love OX. I mean, that's hard shit. It's still, like, to this day, though, feels like people never really figured out exactly.

You know, like, how do we make these two genres work together? It's a little awesome. Some of it's tight, some of it's, like, kind of cringy, you know? Like, well, a lot of it's, like, really cringy and really hard to pull off. You know? Hard to take serious for sure.

But I was like Scarhead was one of the best elements of it for sure. Thank you so much. You make it sometimes like, I got so many fans to tell me that I'm like, oh, yo, your music has helped me out in life. And I'm like, yo, you are fucked up. My music helped you live. You're like, fucked up. What's going on your house, bro?

You're like, what I'm saying? But it keeps me going. That's the only thing keeps you going. Because I want to quit the shit all the time. Right. Let me get the phone? You guys got my phone? Oh, thanks.

I got some of shit right down here and shit. But yeah, like, is that, that's what you would say. This kind of keeps you in the game. Do you think that it's just like, your love for it? It just kind of keeps you from being able to step away from it. It's definitely love. It's definitely not the fucking money. But now as I get older, I'm doing other stuff.

I got my own podcast. I started doing acting now. I just, I did a movie with Peter Green, who was craziest motherfucking world. He was my roommate for five years. You end up getting cast as like the gang member. Yeah. Which I love doing, so.

I look like a bee. I dyed my hair last night. I looked like a fucking B-movie Albanian bad guy right now. Really? You feel weird about having a normal color beard? What color was it before? I'm a redhead. No one respects redhead.

I look like one of my dike Puerto Rican ants with his hair like here. That's cool. That's cool. You think nobody respects redheads? It's like one of the few groups. It's okay. to discriminate against. Name a redhead person out

Megadeth, Damustane asshole, caratop asshole, Ron Howard, who gives a fuck, happy days? That's pretty hard. Does that count? I don't know. But they killed them. Think about it, right? No one.

Fuck. I know. Sometimes I'll see somebody in their baby has red hair and I'll just be like, fuck. That's why I'm in for a lot. They got the world up against them, man. And I never heard the word ginger in my life until South Park. And people, I was like, what the fuck's a ginger?

I'll fuck you up. Don't go me to ginger. What the fuck's that? That must have been crazy. You know, that's why I fought all the time. Because people are like, yo, look at your mother. He'll be like, you're adopted.

Your mother's a nigger. You do, you speak. I'm like, what the fuck? All areas, they're hitting me. So, like, I had to fight everyone. You know what's fucked up, too, is that ginger and the N-word are the same letters just rearranged.

I played too much Scrabble in my life, but I can't help but think about that. That's just like a weird coincidence that I don't really understand. But that's the weird how, like, That was, like, invented to be a slur for Reddit of people, but, like, late in the game, like, halfway through my life, I find out about that. Yeah, that's fucked up.

You know, people are fucked up. Right. When you disfred Durs, you rhyme to puddle of mud and puddle of blood. I thought that was pretty fucking righteous. Thank you. I think I, wait, even hear that shit. I just went on YouTube. I was just searched Danny Yavlo, and by the time you get to, like, page three, there's some shit.

Oh, what else? Well, let's, come on, don't even tell me what they say. Nah, there's a lot of good stuff on that. I'm watching all these old performances and shit. You ever do that? You ever end up in the wormhole looking at your old shit on YouTube? You know what's what my girl does to me now?

She goes, don't, people with the comments, I got a lot of people fucking, like, be down, whatever. I look at the comments that just bothers me sometimes when people talk shit. Like, I can't do anything about it. It fucking kills me inside. So I know people, right now, they probably fuck you now. But the thing is like, but then I look at other people,

other rapper stuff, kids nowadays to destroy people. Like fat they, I look at fat Joe, shit. And fat Joe's a real motherfucker. You know, Fat Joe's, I'm telling you right now, a lot of these kids don't know about Fat Joe. He's real. And they'd be like, you fat fuck. I'm like, oh, shit. You mean? Like, they would never say that to him in

the front of face. No, but that's like a very good sign of how internet fluent somebody is. Because, like, my guy Wack 100 is, like, one of the most certified, like, OGs in L.A. And he will be in the comments. And somebody calls him a bitch. He's in the comments saying, well, blah blah blah your mom did this and like it's like he's still kind of in that mentality like you're spending all that time of prison and shit i don't want to get into that into that whole weird shit because like

it's like i understand some of these people are like then i realize like you know who told me a lot about that stuff necro really necro's my boy you know shout to necro he was like how many people you'd be down in your life how many guys girlfriends you fucked or to be of their cousins they can't do anything so they're going to get at you this way right don't let them get at you Yeah. So I was like, oh, thank you. Yeah, I mean, there's been times where, you know, somebody said something really nasty about me,

and it's like, I don't know who this person is. It says they're from fucking Kansas. Does it bother you? Sometimes. Like, it's tough to get through to me at a certain point. Like, somebody calling me racist. It's like, I don't care. Whatever.

Like, you know, it's just, I've seen it too much, you know? I'm saying, like, these motherfuckers say something about my son or my girl. That's it. And I'm like, yo, listen, I'll kill everyone up in here. But the thing is like, look at them down you gotta be a loser to be on to even make comments on a fucking youtube thing mm-hmm you know what same thing but like when i see somebody saying something about my kid it's like i can't get that mad because i know i'm never going to see that person in my

life right now look at but then i'll be on twitter and i'll click the fucking like button and i'll see somebody like the tweet and it's like somebody who i know lives in l.a it'll make me want to fucking drive you know it's like just the fact that they're like adjacent to me and that they feel like I'm not going to do something. And you're right. I'm sorry, I'm not going to do anything because I just have too much to lose at this point. But it still just makes me fucking sleep.

I don't have to do anything. I got 500 people that will do anything I say. And I don't even try it like that. But I enjoy, when I see someone that has the problem, they say something I know they get to get away for something. I enjoy smacking him in the fucking face and popping the airdrum in front of everybody and walking away.

Yeah. That's going to be a good feeling. That even bounces, too. They all over there to say something. The first time I was, took my girl to Kansas City, to bounce and say, yo, go over there. Slap the shit off.

Bap, you know, in front of me. He was like, oh, I'm sorry. You didn't want her to see it? No, she, I said, go. She was like, and she just ran. I was like, oh, she's down. How many years younger than you should? I'm going to be 50 years old this year.

She's 29. Okay. 28. I'm sorry, man. Is it hard for her? Is there a lot of shit that she has a hard time understanding about how much shit you've been through in your life? No.

She knows everything. Really? Yeah. It doesn't seem kind of foreign to her at a certain. point of she's how much she's not she shows how like

like my people that she's that's my love so my my my my brothers treat her like the sister and they did you know

like she's like she's always protected and she's working and respected so right yeah so sometimes like especially a lot of the hardcore shit

it feels like trying to explain some of the violence that I've seen and just crazy shit has shows and stuff and like so many people who are like

a lot younger than me just have no fucking frame of reference for what I'm talking about. I feel like I'm from another fucking planet at a certain point because they're just not going to be able to wrap their head around why these things happen,

you know? Well, it's like, listen, the whole course seems very violent, but the world is very violent, you mean? You go to Israel, you go to fucking Palestine, you go anywhere in the world that's fucked up. You mean? It's true. We got, the markets, we got easy compared to other people.

When I go around the world, I see people real projects or real people are fucked up. I'm like, damn, these people are eating potato soup, I mean? You go to projects by my house, and my Queens guy has a range rover for the project. That's what I'm saying. That's real. Definitely.

How's it feel being 50? I'm 37, or I feel fucking ancient, so I feel... You know why? I don't slow down. I'm still act like a kid. But when I wake up sometimes, I'm like, what the fuck's going on? Yeah. Like, I'll cough, my back will go out.

I'll be like, the fuck. You're like that. But, you know, sometimes, sometimes I just feel like I've lived a couple of lives now at this point because it's just been like so long that I've been kind of doing the same types of shit. Like, you know, like I feel like you've got to feel that way in a certain way too where so many of the people that you deal with on a daily basis just, they weren't around fucking 10, 20 years ago. And like, they're getting to deal with this version of you. You missed out on this whole saga that was my life 10, 20 years ago. That's why people want me to write a book. I'm like, I'm not going to do it until my mother passes away

because I don't want her dying and reading the book about me. You think she would be that mortified? Oh, my poor mother, she's like, whenever the cops come to my house, she was, my daddy would never do that. I'm like, shout to my mom. Right. Yeah, the mom's always. Oh, she's the best.

They keep an idealistic view of their kid, right? My mom just don't even want to ask, you know? My mom's such a good person. I'm always making jokes. I'm always making jokes. Definitely. it's a good person for sure when you were you were just in Vegas I just seen like your caption said like we're just out sinning and I was just wondering like what what like what's a

wild night out for you at this point like what we try we used to we first man heard we were partying all the time right but now it's like I'll listen I'm me I'll still fucking we'll go crazy you know whatever but like I'm trying to like smoke a lot of weed now but there'd be times I still sit a fucking whole bunch of coke and fucking go to strip club with her and fucking, you know, buck wild. Really? That's good. That's good to hear, man. I can't stay young. I'm not going to lie to fucking everyone. I love strippers. I love my girl. I love cocaine. I love horrors.

I love fighting, you know. But that's part of my life. I fucking love this guy. I'm Puerto Rican. I'm dirty, grimy nigger. That's it. I don't get a fuck. Fuck, yeah. Am I going to lie? That's sick.

I mean, okay, that comparison, though, like, I just, Because part of the conversation I had with Rob when I did that envy with him because he was like keeping his heroin addiction a total fucking secret going to different towns with Dan's asking them, hey, what's the worst part of town? And just pulling up to find some fucking... That's a problem. I like, like, the worst I want to do with me and my girl's like, you know, where we get some blow ecstasy and fucking what's the best strip club?

You mean? We go around the world, you mean? Right. You know, we party around the world. I party to the gangsters. We go everywhere. You mean, Chile, fucking France. I took her birthday to Paris, France for her birthday when I first met her.

That's far. And when I play in Europe, I'm treated like a fucking big celebrity. It's crazy. I walk down to San Diego Chile and be like, Daini Diablo. You're in a messenger. So it's funny. That's sick. Yeah.

I mean, but at a certain point, you ever feel like you might just have to lay off the party and all together because you just... No, you know what's going to happen. One day I'm stuck in a hotel for a fucking... Yeah, that's why I worry about myself. boy I haven't done poker or anything in years but like I would be like half naked people take pictures and my dick's gonna be out my mom's gonna be like oh my god

that's how you want to go you gotta write the book well write the book you don't have to put it out you can wait on your mom but write the book now just so that if you did I've been writing the book it's it's it's I've been playing stuff down the last funny stuff that people would not Mike there a lot of people don't understand

I love making jokes I would not I don't want to fight anyone my thing is I'd rather have fun and laugh It makes you know, this would get time, right? But, you know, violence was just the way this I grew up, you know? Yeah. The only person that ever broke my nose was my father, you mean? So my father was a cop, but my father was the first person I'd seen it a buck 50. He had a told him, slice his face where I was three years old.

Right. You know, I see my father play a basketball game. They got his foul and he pulled his gun out and put you to do that shit again. And I was like, Daddy? I was like three years old. And this is while your dad was a cop. He was probably like bad lieutenant. Different time, man.

Different time when there's no fucking cell phones around. Hey, hey, hey, come here. Holy shit. Yeah, so I'm saying, but my father taught, he was a hardest man. He wasn't that big. Everything, but he, they, they, they, they, they, they mean, seeing your dad do something like that at three years old, that, all of a sudden, it's like, I don't need any further explanation than why you sort of ended up attracted to violence. But before that, all I did was play basketball. My father played for, was in the army, played for the army, played for Brooklyn Tech High School, played for Brooklyn College.

And he also tried enough for the Knicks, my father. Wow. So I played basketball my whole life, and I got into hardcore and women to destroy my life. Really? Yeah. The drugs came in and all this shit, so, but I'm happy now. You blame the women for the drugs?

Thank God for the women with the drugs. Right. Yeah. Man just doing drugs, no women? That's what I'm saying. That's whack. You ever see a guy, like, if I'm hanging out with you right now, right? And we're doing, do a Coke.

I don't want to talk to. If I do Coke, the first bump, like, I don't want to be a fuck a whore. So I'm like, I don't want to have. hang out and be like, hey, the stock market is great. I'm like, get the fuck with me. Come here. Yeah. Dude, I know dudes who pop ice-a-s-sees just to hang out with the homies.

Like, the guido dudes, weird shit to me. Like a guido guy with a ring light. Like, I'm not down. Anytime I put a drug on my nose my entire life, the purpose was to then kick it with some girls, bro. Like, if I'm going to be staying home in the house by myself, I'm not going to do the drugs. Like, I'm just

not, what's the point? You mean? Yeah. And that's the best thing about Coke. You might be able to keep your fucking dick up for six hours that night. But you've got to really do the right amount of Coke. Yeah. I got... Yeah. Because I've definitely done too much

Coke that there was no fucking taking place. Dark times. Hard time. That's all the hide behind the thing. Like, down the blinds? Like, what the fuck going on? Right. Can you just remind me? Like, I remember being on tour of my friend's band and, like, I was like 19.

So we're talking like, I'm like, 2003, 2004 or whatever and you know I meet the stripper in Virginia and she got fake tits and you know I seen her in a tattoo magazine after that she had the word cum tattooed on the inside of her lip but then I'm kicking it with her and she's like name drop and being like oh I'm kicking it with these DMS dudes yada yada and I'm just like fuck like I'm really like damn like asking a bad question she's shit like what do like what's it like what's it like she's got this like insider perspective that I wasn't going to find at that time you probably ran through too, man. I want to be surprised.

You know? Oh, man. That'd be cool if we're Eskimo brothers. I mean, we got to be. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, crazy. When you think about, like,

what you want to accomplish at this point before you fucking kick the bucket, like, what really stands out to you that's the shit that you want out of life? Right now, I just want to... Oh, man. I just want to be comfortable and fucking, like, basically be more secure life.

Like everything's a goal to do, to get the things I win in life. I want a big house. I want to get married to have, like, have kids with her. Fucking just like, but still, like, I'm 50. I still want to go on the road and it's in me. Like, I don't want to get out there. Like, I want to perform. I'm playing this Saturday doing a Hood Chorus Fest in L.A.

It's like all Mexican punk rock shit. Really? Yeah. On Saturday. On Saturday. Can I pull up? Can I pull up, please. Come down. I'm doing, it's crazy. It's all like Mexican hardcore bands, like, like, like, essay, and I'm doing Danny Diablo set,

and also they're coming out, doing like two skirt, three scar and songs. Sick. So it's going to be cool. That's badass. Yeah. Fuck. Was COVID the longest that you've gone without touring? Yes.

Really? Yes. You feeling a little stark crazy? Yeah, but I just, I performed the top square park. Okay. The crazy thing, people got mad, was during the COVID thing. Yeah, I saw it.

3,000 people I performed Murphy's Law. I came on stage and sit home and rot. That must have been rough for the perpetually offended hardcore fans out there. They were so mad. Like Brooklyn Vegan Orange Police, but they were like, they were so upset. I was like, yo, grow some balls to stop.

You know, it's like, and then two weeks later, no one got COVID at that show. That's the thing. Two weeks later, the mass thing was gone. If you got vegan in the name of your publication, and I automatically don't give a fuck about what the fuck you're talking about. I'm going to be honest with you. These guys are all...

They'd be like driving, like talking and the thing. It's disgusting. I'm like, yo, you're not going to watch it where you're driving. You're going to kill someone. These people are... Everyone's posified. You mean? People need to get smacked in the face and understand that this could really happen. That's why people just talk and talk.

Like, I grew up... If I'm going to say something and offend someone, I'm going to get fucking punched in the face or stab. Or shot. the culture mirrors the dominant form of communication at that time so social media has like twitter-fied everything that's it's it i understand you know because like especially uh women how they look and what they do and everything like my girl my girl has a career and everything and they say shit and i'm like how fucking killed you know mean like they think people are trying

to get your weakness and you know i don't like that man i would never do that to someone I wouldn't ever say something to the girl They say what the fuck is wrong with these people And to me that's How do you look in the mirror Every day you wake up, you're such a bitch That's all That's a lifestyle

That's my how No, you know what it is is that there's a lot of Social currency to be gained From being that person Who's being offended And calling that shit out, you know? I would love to like Like Sal and Jane, Zahn and Bob

And find everyone Where they drive around? Yeah, I would be in a crazy I would go to everyone's house and light on fire. I'd like that. I support that. Yeah, see? That'll be a cool video, right?

I remember like, bro, I remember, like, going to shows and, like, 2000 and, like, hearing about dudes get beat up for shit that they said online. And it was like, whoa, like, technology is real. Like, this shit is actually going to end up with people getting beat. Like, now that's, I mean, how can be people get killed all the time for shit that they said on Instagram live now and rapping shit. The rap thing is even crazy growing up. I watched all this crazy stuff and rap. I just talked to the guy.

All right, check that. Celebrity boxing just hit me up. They were talking about the stitches. Stitches? I was supposed to box them. I love this idea. This is the best idea. No, no.

You didn't hear about this? Five years ago, I was supposed to be a 2017 day? What was it? 2016, the celebrity boxing won me to fight stitches. And I was like, oh, man, I don't do. I kind of like his music. It didn't bother me. So he would not do it

And my fans were going Did the hardcore kids like Fuck you fight the end of the Diabble And he called me up and he wouldn't do it He's like no I'm not doing it So but right now 6-9 It might do celebrity boxing The guy hit me back

What you want to do? I was like 6-9 Come on bro You couldn't fuck with him? I would smack him so hard I know I was like having a hard time Even imagining

What that would look like And I'm 40-19 I'm gonna be 50 years old That kid's like 20 what I'd still kill him Like one arm beyond my back I feel like that guy. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you've been through it. He probably never been in a fight like that. But it would be pretty cool. Fucking smack the shit of him. You mean? How many people were snitching? You mean, that'd be a fucking nice.

You want to get immediately, universally applauded by hip-hop? I'm telling you, Danny Diablo, I have a moment in rap. You know, I'm down. Celebrity boxing. Hit me up. Amazing, dude. All right. Is there anything else that you got, like, on the way right now?

Anything that you want people? look out by? Yes, I got Diablo's Den podcast, is my podcast. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to listen to any episodes yet. I got you on that. Let's go. That'd be fucking fun as hell. Also, I got Scarhead has a new record dropping on force-five records called Generates of Violence. Hard. It's like the first EP, so fucking hard. We did the songs in three days. Wow. So it's coming out Forced Five Records, Daddy. That's all the four-s wide records, my manager. I got a new video called Guidos and Irox as it came out. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. My girl hates it. They used to always tell me growing up that IROC stood for Italian retard out cruising. Yeah, I did. But I just had a video release. We played on the thing. She was there. She's like, fuck you.

She's giving me head doing the thing I'm all the Coca-Cola doing. The video is like, it's fucked up. But I also got my group Spick. Okay. It's a call script. It's me, Big Lido, and Joe Fade. Joe Fado is a live out of the barbecue with Nas. Oh, wow.

He's the one of the G-Rap, main source. Joe Fado is one of the first, like, he's a fight. You know, that's my brother for Queens. So me, Joe Fadoe, I'm Biggley. Bigley was Dominican. Joe Fils Puerto Rican. I'm Puerto Rican. So it's called Spix, Spanish people in control.

Okay. We put a record out on Devil Rats Records in France. And also I got an album out called the Tris. And it's all-forced by DJ Kaz, who just got a stroke. Shout out to D. Jay Cos, my brother, my DJ, he's a little fucked up. Hope you feel better. Keep the Trizzi alive.

And that's it. I got mad people on it, but it's, that's it. That's it. GLD casting company with Chubby God and Lord Jewish. and all that shit, you know, forever. But I'm Instagram, and that's it, man. Danny Diablo. Thank you, brother.

Legend, bro. Thank you. You. It was a big honor. Adam, thank you so much, brother. Thank you. It means a lot to me, man. Yeah, for real.

I mean, honestly, the fact, like, I grew up looking at the dudes like you and you in particular, and, like, just to have you being so hyped to do the podcast made me super fucking like, wow, this life has gone crazy. You know, you know, how fucked up this industry is? You know what I mean? Like, it's a lot of people like, oh, you're my boy. I have no dudes who I protected in hip. pop and everything and the fucking it's like it's an honor meet you you mean it's like it's cool because

i come from like i grew up with do like eliot wilson i grew up with sasha jenkins we want what happened to your band with him i don't know but but elia wilson grew up with me too so i we all grew up together bands but the thing is this it's always good to see someone who has the heart of you and the and the realness of you appreciate you miss me and i look up to you when you're doing your podcast and i want to do my podcast. Pretty soon I got to grow up a little bit. So once I hit 50 I went, I'm just chill a little bit and just

try to do like a TV show or something like that, right? Interesting. That's all. You're a bald creativity. Wherever the energy goes, something good is going to come out of it. Thank you, brother. For sure. My man. My man. Appreciate you. Much love, respect. Danny Diablo, no jumper. Check us

on YouTube. Patreon's are on the screen. Like, comment, subscribe. Nojumper.com if you want to support. And we'll be streaming your music on Friday. Appreciate you, man. Thank you, brother. Much love. Thank you.