No Jumper - The DB Boutabag Interview: Sacramento, Avoiding Gang Activities, Drakeo & More

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

DB Boutabag talks about growing up in Sacramento, not being affiliated, focusing on music, being about his bag for real, and more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:25 - DB.Boutabag came prepared with kendamas 2:33 - DB never had braces. Adam schools DB on p*rnstars rocking fake braces 4:13 - Growing up being told he has natural leadership qualities 6:45 - Not following the crowd when it comes to music, fashion, etc. 11:09 - DB doesn’t affiliate with any gangs 12:35 - DB says gang members who try to involve outsiders in their beef attract more police attention 15:00 - DB is really “bout a bag.” Shows off his jewelry. Questions why Adam doesn’t wear jewelry 18:21 - Not a fan of the Instagram shenanigans or beefing on the internet 19:05 - DB’s homie did not actually steal $20K from him but he has dealt with friends stealing 20:58 - Being a genuine fan of Drakeo in high school and later getting the opportunity to record together 23:35 - How DB connected with Drakeo a week after he got out of jail 27:13 - Shooting the “Top Rapper” music video with Drakeo 29:05 - Reacting to Drakeo’s passing. DB is not opposed to hiring professional security 33:08 - Being one of the only Sacramento rapper’s who doesn’t get involved with the gang politics 39:11 - DB doesn’t like to have a lot of people in the studio. Being his own biggest critic. 41:11 - Preferring we*d over lean for being creative 43:34 - Quitting lean for the first time after it made him faint 46:11 - Referring to his homies and supporters as The Bag Clan 46:56 - Getting a distribution deal with Thizzler after his videos blew up 50:12 - Outside of Drakeo, DB says a dream collab would be Lil Wayne 50:58 - Just dropped a new mixtape. Looking to do community giveaways in Sacramento ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Today, we're in here with a Sacramento icon. Yeah. Somebody that we actually genuinely been listening to a lot around the office in recent memory. You've got a lot of fans on the No Jumper team. Nah, I fuck with it for sure. I appreciate that shit. DB Batta Bag is in the building.

We're in this. A real by the bag, man. What's up with it, Adam, man? Jim, man. Happy to have you in here. You already impressed me, man. You came in with a gigantic backward rolled up. You got multiple condominable.

out of us already that's not even that's a janky wood oh that's a janky wood yeah okay well you you got condama tricks which I didn't see that coming middle school you know I held on to a couple things you know that was a little wave with hell of Asians and shit mm Rosa Parks in the south okay yeah it was hell of Asians and hella condomas floating around campus everywhere right just pick it up you know we got to push that movement to more more of these kids are stay stay away from guns and on condoms yeah 100% that I think it makes sense to me. So, all right, tell me a little bit about your upbringing in Sacramento.

I mean, shit. I grew up with my big brother, moms, single mom household type shit. You never met your dad? No, yeah, I know my pops. I got a good relationship with my pops. Actually, he was just a little bit in and out, feel me? Getting in trouble, going to jail and shit, shit like that, you know. But he was in my life, you feel me?

He actually a big influence on my life, you feel me? I just never really lived with him. So it was like more of a just back and forth type shit. But was your mom getting along with them or were they enemies? Shit. See, how did I figure that out? You know how that go. They bump heads, you feel me?

But when it came to me, like, they always clicked when it came to me. My mom wasn't one of them bitter moms who didn't let me see my dad because she was mad at him. Feel me? Shit like that. Okay. She wasn't one of them. Well, that's what's good to hear. All right, so what part of Sacramento and what was it like?

I grew up in South Sacramento, really all over the South, you feel me? Hella spots in there. I went to hell of schools. I went to like four elementarys. I went to two middle schools. Your parents were just moving around or what? Really just me and my mom was moving a lot type of shit. You feel me, moving around.

That's really, I feel like that's how I became a little bit like popular. You feel me? Just knowing hell of people being that hell of different. different schools, being involved with little shit. I play sports and shit. I hooped shit like that. What was your mom even into, though, that she was moving around like that? She was a dental assistant.

Oh. Yeah, you feel me? She was a dental assistant. That's why motherfuckers be asking me like, oh, have you ever had braces? Nah, I used to just get woke up at 7 o'clock every morning to go floss. Like, you feel? Wow, that's dope, though. You know what they do now?

They give kids braces. I found out at, like, nine. Yeah, I ain't know that. You get braces super young now. And then you're done with them by the time you're like 13. See? I got him when I was like 13, 14. I know a girl in high school still got him from ninth grade.

She didn't have like four, four years. That's fucking crazy. I wish I could have seen her teeth. Oh, she put the motherfucker. She probably just likes to look. That's a thing. That's a thing? Well, I don't know, but I know a couple porn stars who got braces.

And you think it's like, what? Cool. I mean, actually, honestly, I find it a little weird. I mean, yeah, because that's kind of dangerous, right? Well, it just more like reminds me of the girls that I was talking to when I was 14. Also, like they seem childish to you type of shit. It just looks like a very like young look, you know? Nah, for sure.

Braces, pigtails, backpack type. Oh, man, you do the combo of all those? That's extra weird, yeah, for sure. That's the perception you giving me talking about 14. Right, well, I mean, I'm just saying the braces. It gives off a certain energy. Like what, though? Like you're in high school.

So like childish. Yeah. Which I think in the porn world, I actually heard that some girls were rock fake braces. Yeah, so that's the thing. Like, a braces look, I guess. I think that there's a market for it. That's weird. There's some people who fuck with it.

That's weird. I'm not going to lie. Whatever you're going to do it. No. But, okay, so you're running around, you're becoming this sort of popular guy. You always feel like you were that guy, like a real people person? Yeah, for sure. At my school type of shit at schools, class clown, getting kicked out of class and shit, you feel

me? Shit like that. I was on my sports teams, played Pop Warner and shit. Always been a leader, you feel me? Really? Like, I wasn't never the nigga to follow the crowd or, like, do whatever everybody else was doing. You just realized that about yourself now, or was that kind of obvious you, even early on? Growing up, a lot of, like, my older peers used to tell me that, you feel me?

But I didn't realize it back then. They used to tell me, like, you were a leader. Like, you don't see how everybody always following you, like, all your friends following you and shit like that. So you started to believe it. Not really. I just felt like me and my partners was, we was following each other type shit, whatever we do,

we was already. Because when you're a kid, it's tough to be a leader because every kid is so lost, you don't really know what the fuck is going on. Yeah, like, you for sure, don't really know what's going on, and it's just like,

you don't really got no responsibility, so it's just like you're doing shit. Like, you just kind of waiting to get into trouble, you feel I mean? At least where I grew up at. When did you start getting in trouble at, though? Shit. I started getting caught

in, like, middle school. type shit middle school high school got into a little bit of trouble back then but you know that shit that shit bunk okay so wasn't anything super serious nah it wasn't anything super serious just some juvenile haul shit right but when we talk about Sacramento it's like got crazy

reputation for people getting into it in the streets and everything was that like pretty obvious to you from an early age of like oh this is a place where it could go down at hell yeah for sure especially having fucking friends with family that's gang banging and family that's gangbanging involved in the streets, trying to stay on the tag. And then a lot of my older cousins and shit

that I was doing that shit, they was hounding me, like, to stay on sports and, you feel, me, stay in school and shit, and shit like that. So I was kind of like, I was a little bit hard-headed back then, you feel, me? So I used to not really give a fuck

about what anybody was really talking about because I used to just feel like I had an authority problem a little bit when I was younger. You feel what I was slight anger issues. You feel like I used to feel like I was older than I was type of shit. So like I used to just not want to hear nothing. No, if you wasn't my mom or my dad, like you couldn't really tell me.

But I think that's part of that whole like leader personality and shit is that you kind to believe that you are meant for something that you, that is not immediately apparent to everybody else. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. That's for sure what come with that. shit. I don't know. And that go with a hell of shit, though.

That goes with fucking clothes. You feel the shit? You feel the thing? Even to this day, music, like, you feel me, shit like that? Like, I'm not one of the quick, even with my music, like, I'm not a quick nigga to go do a remix to the FNF

because it went viral. You feel me? Like, I'm not going to go jump on the cliche, oh. Like, you remember you remember when everybody was doing the fucking drill remix back in the day that G-Hurbo remix like I wasn't I just can't oh no I don't really like shit like I like my own shit I mean being an artist are constantly having to make the decision

of exchanging short-term popularity for integrity you know like there's always obvious viral stupid easy shit you could do but it's like ultimately as an artist you have to be attempting to to build something long term and you know that it's going to be negatively impacted the same way if you had a clothing brand and it's like you could just do the corneous gimmickiest shit that might sell in the immediate term but you know that real clothing brands that have value long term when you look at a supreme yeah supreme became supreme because they just choose to only affiliate themselves with really truly great shit and they they don't just fall in line with every trend you know taking a risk with being different you feel what I mean it's like taking a risk. when you go into your own lane, you feel me, because your lane might not be a lane, nobody else has seen before. Right. You ever, like, they say,

I forget where I heard this at, but it was probably a fucking Instagram meme or something, but I felt like it was hella true. It's like they say if they don't understand it, it's weak, you feel what I mean? Or if they don't, if they feel like, oh, I wouldn't have did it that way,

it's not the right way, you feel what I mean? Just, I, that's probably, probably a, I'm high, bro, what's the damn word, bro? It's probably just opinion, you feel like me? But at the same time, I feel like, when you go and you're taking your own route, like you said, with the House Supreme do just crazy shit. Like, you could walk, bro, I'll be walking in stores, seeing Supreme just off topic, and it'll be 200 one-on-ones.

You feel me? Like, just hell of supreme, like, shit that people probably wouldn't even wear. Right. But that's a reason why they're going so crazy. You feel me? Because they took a risk with being different, I feel like. But with a clothing brand and shit, it's kind of like being an artist too, where it's like, let's say some artists was coming up from your area who was viral, but it was actually

whack as fuck. And you believed sincerely in your heart that is whack as fuck. I mean, same thing with a clothing line is like, you know, actually, it's weird if you're supreme because you have all kinds of corny-ass people and celebrities that are whack as fuck wearing your shirt. And they just got to keep. quiet about it. I noticed that I've never seen Supreme say anything even when the wackest person on earth was wearing their shit. I mean because what can they say?

Right. You feel me? Like like I don't know. I feel like Supreme, if you whack you put on Supreme, you could get a little bit of sauce. You feel me? Yeah. So Supreme doing these whack-ass diggas in favor. All right, but here's the ultimate example though. Let's say the wackest fucking celebrity in the world. I don't know who it is in your mind, but like somebody that you would never want to be associated with in any way is on their fucking Instagram story and they're fucking dancing around to your music and shit. I feel like if I'm you, I'm holding my tongue.

I'm just not saying shit because ultimately you want everybody to enjoy your music, right? I wouldn't say nothing. I ain't going to lie. I wouldn't say nothing. Because that's some real cool guy shit to just not even acknowledge it. Yeah.

But you might not be able to control yourself. Might wow out. Like, bro, I'm not having this shit, bro. Like, what the fuck? Right, because I mean that might be even more viral. That might be more advantageous if you were to actually just say something about it, right? I don't know. I had to let my white bitch lick this with real quick.

Yeah, we got Ashley on the table. Ashley. For sure. So, okay, do you think that that personality that you're describing? Do you think that that also was why you were kind of, you're not in a gang, right? You didn't choose to affiliate yourself? Yeah, I'll affiliate. I'll affiliate.

A lot of my family do, you feel me, but I don't affiliate, like, nah, I'm just. strictly about that bag. I grew up in South Sacramento. I really grew up in hell of spots in the Sack, you feel me? I'm like really a Sacramento native. I grew up in the South. I lived in the East, lived in the North, feel me? Grandma stayed downtown, stayed all powering.

Auntie stayed on Mack Road. Like, my whole family just all, it's just South, you feel me? But do you think traveling around like that and living in the different parts of the city made you more, or less, attracted to the idea of just being that territorial because a lot of people and gangs are like literally people who have never been outside their bubble. Nah, for sure, for sure.

I feel like it just made me like a little bit more neutral. You feel me? Like throughout the whole city, you feel me? Niggas see I'm neutral. I really fuck with who fuck with me. And niggas that's hating. You feel me? Get called out about it or get exed out without knowing, just type shit.

But I feel like just me bouncing around all the time. Even when I was younger, you feel me? Like, it just made me neutral. Like, damn, I seen this nigga in the north. Like, damn, he over here now? What the fuck, dude? Like, you feel I mean? It's just kind of small world.

Sack big, but it's small. You feel me? It's really small as fuck. Right. But do you ever feel like pressure, like certain people, if you work with an artist and then they expect you to be on their team and not fuck with other people? I mean, yeah and no. You feel me?

Because, I mean, like, what can a nigga really say? Like, if a nigga fucking, first off, this is, that's where niggas be tricking their stuff at they spot at, you feel me? trying to, oh, trying to love bro niggas or, or involved niggas in their politics that's not in their city or not, you feel me? And that really make it hot, like that really get the police on your line, like, and SACPD is janky. Like, you feel me?

Sack PD is not cool, bro. Like, you can ask anybody in Sack, bro. Sack PD is no good. So that's what the fuck I'm steering away from is keeping the police off my bumper, you You feel me? Right. So, yeah, I'm not, yeah. Sack PD, they're all up in everybody's business.

It ain't never been sweet with just everybody. You feel me? It's not just sweet with everybody, but at the same time, like, I'm a neutral nigga, you feel about? But Sack PD's up in everybody's business. They don't like the fact that their city is kind of famous for all this gangster rap now. Bro, bro.

Me and my brother K. Flex got pulled over one time, and they were slapping his shit, singing it. It's an honor, huh? Hell, no, that isn't an honor. Ain't no honor in that Why you know my song Officer? You weird as hell, bro Get up out of here

Right Like that ain't cool, police And then they do shit to fuck with you, bro Like, they're sackpd janky Right So is it part of the mission To get the fuck out of there Are you staying close to home?

No, for sure I'm what? I'm getting up out of there Feel me? Got up out of there already Okay A lot of my family just in sack You feel me

and I can't just, I'm a real stand-up, nigga, you feel me? I take care of my principals, like, before I even go record a song type of shit, you feel me? Like, my family's serious. Like, I didn't grow up the best, you feel me? So, like, when it comes to my younger siblings and, you feel me, my moms, it, like, it gets serious. Like, that's really what I do this shit for, you feel me?

Like, to be honest, like, I don't do this shit for no clout. I don't do this shit for no dent, for no chains, all these jewelry, I don't do this shit for nothing. that shit like niggi these just trophies feel me this is just accomplishments for myself you feel me let myself know that I'm growing so you really are about a bag you thought I wasn't I don't know I'm just wondering definitely where the I didn't want to bring hell of money on here bro I was for the go I was for to do hell of shit but I didn't you feel me I didn't want to do that bro so I'm just we're chilling today remember 21 Savage home black this is a 28,000

dollar wrist uh all bracelets 21 savage had a million dollars next to my flight coach i think no watch okay well i was just saying that's fly too yeah i got nothing yeah you got hell of facetize and shit done me one day yeah kill you gonna get a chain you're not gonna get a chain nah why i just don't think it's me i already had a couple chains what you got what people people giving to me and shit my girl bought me one have a custom little adam a little 22 piece i'm trying to say loki i don't want a motherfucker's and nothing I know who I am. Eric, what?

I would rather be out of public drawing less attention to myself for the most part. When you walk in there with a chains, it's like, oh, look at me. So you think when you walk out and don't nobody notice you? They do. So you think you're going to be noticed more? I'm just not trying to add more to it, yeah. I just don't want to add fuel to the fire. And you start drawing the bad attention.

What about on your birthday when you're out with family and you just want to be fly, you feel me? You want to shine a little bit harder. Yeah, it's not for me. I'll leave it to you guys. You look good. I like it. Wait, you guys, rappers? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Sure. I understand why rappers do it. I feel lucky to be in a position where I don't have to do it. No, for sure, for sure. Because it's a liability. Yeah, it's a liability. But it's a statement too, though.

It is. It's a statement of, look, I got $50,000 worth of jewelry on my chest, and y'all ain't going to come take it. I would rather not give them a reason to come try to take it. I mean, nobody's untouchable, you know what I wouldn't say, oh. I wouldn't tell no rapper to just be like that, you feel me? Right. On some, all, nobody can get my chain.

Can't nobody take my shit. You've seen it happen plenty of times. Yeah. I haven't seen it try to happen. The greasy neck tour. It's tried. Right. But, I mean, do you feel like it's over for a rapper once the chain's doing the greasy neck tour?

Oh, shit. No. The fuck. You don't that? Six-nine straight toad. But he's pretty much, nobody respects him in the rap game anymore, right? But he's still doing his. He's still getting.

paid and shit. You're still doing numbers, but it's not really, so you're saying like, not being a rapper, but your respect. Right, yeah. Yeah, for sure, your respect goes down. Yeah. It's a pretty big thing. Yeah. Right. Unless you get back. Well, if you can get it back and not somehow also draw the attention of law enforcement. No, not get it back. Right. Yeah. Whatever you want to call it. But then you can never claim that. Hey, it don't matter. As long as you know, you could fake claim it. You see a lot of that. I see, yeah, yeah, for sure, show, show, show, show.

Oh, yeah. I'm not even going to bring up examples, but you see that. You respect that? That's crazy. A nigga fake? Hell no. What? Bro, if you, at that point, you might as well just stand on it, bro. And then how it is today, as soon as a nigga take your shit, they're getting on the internet.

You feel me? They're getting on Instagram. Like, so, what can you really do? And then he really, if it's crazy if he really got your shit. Right. It's crazy. Are you against or in favor of the Instagram shenanigans? A lot of rappers be for cloud on the internet and everything like that.

Yeah, you would never see me on Instagram, arguably. You can't get into that? Hell no. Right. Never. Probably if it's like a, I don't know, probably if I don't take it serious, you feel me? But any serious shit, you wouldn't see me on Instagram. Like, you wouldn't see me ring.

Well, I'm just talking shit, though. It's like a troll on my shit or something. You probably might see me argue with a troll. but like I'm not arguing no rap nigger tagging me in no story I'm not arguing with nobody saying anything you feel I mean like niggas say what they say niggas broke I saw that you were talking about how your one homie stole 20,000 from you though hell no that's that was a clickbait oh was yeah there we go yeah that was a quick bit that's me not doing my research that was somebody I don't even know who posted that shit and that shit happened fucking like

two, three years ago, bro. Oh, okay. Yeah, somebody, one of my little homies, you feel, one of my partners that I called brother, fucking stole like $2,000 from me or something. Yeah, something petty. Okay, but so do you feel like you've had to deal with already, like, the reality that at some point in your come-up,

some people that are your friends might start doing fucked up behavior towards you. Have you had to deal with that type of shit yet? Oh, yeah. I deal with a lot of that. I've dealt with a lot of that. Actually, actually, that's turning me into a whole different type of nigga now, you feel me? Like, because I used to be, like I said earlier, you feel me, I'm a stand-up nigga.

Like, I take care of my family. Even if you're not my family, when I see you as family, you feel me? Like, I used to see whoever came around me is just as, I used to let, I used to play everybody close to me, you feel me? Mm-hmm. Like, I used to kind of be blind to why everybody was around. I used to not think I was as big as I was. You feel me?

Like, I still sometimes don't be, this should be feeling fake. Like, just watching, just watching Draco interviews with you and shit, end up doing a song with Draco and being on this motherfucker. Like, it's kind of crazy, like, for me, you feel me? Right. I mean, having accomplishments in your head that you feel like would be, like, the biggest thing and then accomplishing them will really start to make you feel like, oh, I can do anything,

or at least I can set my sights really high because, you know, I'm sure, like, was Draco that artist to you where, like, he was so, like, you're just such a fan, that it was kind of mind-blowing to work with him? Yeah, like, we for show was slap. Draco was definitely in the playlist, like, high school, you feel me? Like, and that's all over Sack, though, you feel me?

Everybody in Sack was listening to that shit. Like, everybody was listening to Chunky Monkey before Draco and A. Z and then was beef and when they did the song together, you feel me, with Ralphie and them, like, we always, that shit, I don't know, that shit was, it's crazy, bro. It's really crazy me, bro. But is there not that many LA rappers

that become popular in fact, or is there a fair amount, would you say? Oh, shit. When I was, like, in high school and shit, In school, I could like, you can't really tell. I couldn't tell back then. But now, like, I could tell, like, L.A. for show, get a lot of recognition. For sure.

L.A. rappers, for sure. That's good. Even when it comes down to the small ones, like, I just heard it. I just start slapping this one nigga from L.A. His name, S-5. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Marino Valley, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe he's from L.A., he's slapped. You feel me, him and the other nigga.

Right. Yeah, no, I just was checking them out, too. We got to get them on here. Yeah, no, they go crazy for sure. they slap. I ain't gonna lie. It's hell of LA niggas I'll be slapping. Right. So are you a real fan of the music that's coming out these days, or do you feel like you focus on

listening to your stuff? Or you listen to mainstream artists? No, I listen to everything. If it's slap, I'm gonna listen to mainstream. I listen to L.A. shit. I listen to underground shit. I listen to upcoming artists, you feel me? If it's slap, I fuck with it. Right. I'm not no haynass. I'm a nigga like that. I'm the type of nigga. Shit, like if I like the song, I don't really post your shit.

just because I'm fucking went on my story, you feel me? Right. I slap everything. But you don't feel like listening to other people's music affects you? Like, you can still stay in your zone? Hell yeah, sure. My zone, like, because I don't, I'm creating my own shit, you feel me? Like, I created my own delivery and my own flow.

And I wouldn't say, I wouldn't even say my own criteria because it's kind of typical what I'd be talking about. I just be talking shit, getting money, fucking bitches, fly cars, clothes and shit, diamonds, and, you feel me, flossing. But, like, my delivery, my beat selection, you feel me, shit like that, like, I didn't get from nobody else. Right. You know what I mean?

Wait, speaking of that, the Draco thing before we get off that, like, how did you actually end up doing that video with him? Bro, like, uh, Drakeo, he had just got out. He was only out for, like, I believe, like, a week or something. five days or something six days and then I woke up one morning and everybody was sending me his story like I had a hella request with this nigger story I'm like what the fuck why y'all sending me drako shit right I go to it Dreco slapping crunch time was it one of these like 5 a.m. barely keeping his eyes open drinking night this is that night it was like just chill it was

daytime you feel me he was uh he was in a living room or something he was at the house he was just slapping my shit he slapped my whole song on his story right me and uh said this nigg will be going crazy i reposted it tagged me and then he just tapped in and said we got to do something little brothers fuck with it feel me that's one thing i could say about when i used to be kicking it around drako and shoreline the shit is that they would always be putting me on to some underground up north shit like i remember ojizi put me on all black i remember uh like it's like a bunch of shit like they would really be fucking with like very underground shit from up north like really tuned in in a way that's a

surprise me. I feel like they know, we show love down there, you feel me? Like, I feel like a lot of the bigger artists, they do shows and shit down there, you feel me? They go down there, they travel. They do meet and greets and shit. So I feel like LA artists know like Northern Cali, we fuck with it, you feel me, we fuck with it tough. Right, definitely. So, okay, at what point did the music shit start to take off, though? And like, when you really feel like people started understanding what you were doing, was it right away or do you toil away for a little bit? Hell no, I kind of, no, I've always been consistent. That's one thing I can say, even when I was only dropping weak-ass audios on my YouTube.

Like, you can still go to my YouTube today and just go all the way to the bottom. You feel me, all the way to the bottom, some shit from four years ago. Hell of weak, low budget, weak-ass cover art, but I keep it there, you feel me? Just because I still got fans that fuck with that shit, you feel me? And even then I was recording. I used to record at my school. Like, my school had a janky-ass studio. I used to record there.

One of my partners had a lab in his house. I used to record there, but I used to never shoot a video. Really? I never had no access to no type of camera, man, you feel me? Or did you just feel like you weren't fly enough yet? Shit, no, I just felt like I didn't know who shot videos. Right, yeah. I'm always surprised when I see kids who are like 16, 17,

and they find fucking videographers to figure out how to all. all that shit. I feel like now it's easier though. Yeah, now with the internet keeps getting easier. Yeah. Everybody's shooting videos and then everybody rapping. Yeah. So like, or you know somebody that rap or you know somebody

that shot a video. So like, I feel like it's easier now to get a hold of somebody with a video. But like back when I was just recording, I didn't know nobody who was shooting videos. Right. But I feel like it's super hard to stand out with just audio these days.

You need the video for sure, right? Yeah, for shit, so. I ain't seen the audio go stupid-ass crazy since she's a runner. She's a track song. Oh, yeah. That audio went crazy. When that happens, that's when you know the song's huge. Yeah, for sure.

If it can blow up by the video, that says a lot about the song. Yeah, for sure. That's facts. I used to try to do that. But I'm so much now, like, I'm shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, you know what I mean? Like, shoot via, shoot video. I feel like every song need a video.

How long does it even take you to shoot video? Shit, it just depends on what I'm trying to do. Right. me like that don't choke shit I just shot that shit only that should only took like an hour pulled up to the gas station did some easy shit you know me was at the studio regular shit have you done the more like that dredko video right we went to fucking two three locations had hell of trucks draco came fashionably late you feel me ralphi and the rest of the stinks came all the time this drego late that sounds about right

Yeah, but yeah, it was cool though, but like that shit, we was shooting for hours, probably like four, four hours, five hours, in the midst of fucking around and kicking it. Right. You feel me? But, yeah. So what was your impression of Drakeo once you're actually around him and Ralphie and all them? Shit, them need is just regular, bro. Like, Draco and Ralphie kind of remind me of me of me and my little brother, feel me? Because I'm more of the rapper, and he's more, he was more of the, feel me?

Like, so like, even though it go both ways, but like, I kind of just took the music shit serious faster than he did, you feel me? So, like, but, uh, Draco and Ralphie, nigga, the niggas is so cool, regular, genuinely, you feel me? Like, the whole stink team, though. Like, I, like, them niggas welcome a nigga with open arms, you feel me? I fuck with all them, niggas. Dregal, like, I don't know, he's just regular.

He was quiet, though, when I first met. I mean, he was quiet. At first, we was chilling, chopping it up and shit. It was just regular. We were chilling, though. He wasn't smoking and then we was just shooting, chilling. No, he was never smoking, really. Oh, he'd be smoking Newport's.

Yeah, I didn't even, yeah, I don't, you know. I think he went through some weird phases, but he was never real serious, with it. Yeah. That was a tragedy, though. Like, how did you feel when you heard they had passed? Bruh. I was getting hell of, I didn't. When I heard that shit,

it was hell of oh he not dead he dead he not dead he dead yeah so i didn't know what to believe for like two days i went to bed not knowing yeah woke up me too i didn't know for like two days for sure for sure you feel me right until i started seeing instinct team members posted but when i seen that it was just like unreal it was like i don't know bro that's not that's that that's not cool bro yeah like especially to how how where how feel me like i do i just did a whole out-of-state tour me like that can happen to anybody right like just venues not being on point with security just being hella i don't i don't even know just security period like right that's crazy So you're not afraid to move around with security

because a lot of rappers seem to like try to treat that as if that's like shameful. I mean, I ain't never moved around with security but like I ain't ever bought my own security. Right. But like I wouldn't, no, I wouldn't say that's... You secure the situation one way or another. You came in with your guys, I'm sure that it's all they can carry of it.

We're good, but I'm saying like, I'm not... I would hire security. But that is the ultimate situation when you look at what happened, Draco where... Draco, when he was moving around L.A., was definitely protecting himself, moving around with people, et cetera. We could all assume.

I ain't going to lie, but I've seen Draco randomly when we can, I'm walking on mailroads, Draco is outside a desktop shop to the neck. Right. Like, with like two security guards, strapped. You know what I mean? Regular, though. Just chilling.

But, okay, let's put in perspective, Drago caught a gun charge right before he died. Yeah, for sure. So he got to move like that. But the thing is, is that he don't got to. He wasn't moving like that when he was backstage of that concert because you're not allowed to bring guns in he's only got a couple of people with what i'm saying though that that shows you how bad the venue fucked up yeah for shit so like you should be

able to come in with security armed security right especially how big of an artist draco was right and the position that he was in like drako wasn't even out for as long as he was down before he died they put him into a situation where he was basically a sitting duck and he would have he would have not allowed himself to be in that position if he thought that they were being re-reaching reasonable about it, you know? Which is super sad. And that's why I would assume that his family are going to win many, many millions of dollars. Yeah, I hope they do it for sure.

And it's not going to... It's not going to take away the pain of losing their fucking son. Hell no, that's not going to fix nothing. That's not going to fix nothing. That's just going to potentially help other artists in the future. You feel me? Maybe they would be too afraid to have such bullshit security, you know? Yeah, type of shit.

You feel like that I'd potentially, like, when they win, that's not. going to fix shit like that's not gonna fix no Dreco had a whole son you feel me like he left a whole seed behind like that ain't fixing nothing like if anything like I said that's helping other artists for the future if niggas decide to work with that being you or promoter or whoever the fuck was a part of that I don't know what the fuck was going on I don't even know really know what happened bro I just seen a fucking Instagram clip and seen this stink team posting it bray

and that's all out you feel me but crazy the shit about it was that it was like a combination like old school music and rapper thing so like Al green was on stage performing i believe when this happened like that's all these old school 60 year old fucking musicians and shit and then meanwhile this is happening backstage in the back yeah when Drago was just about to go on too it's crazy um okay i wanted to ask this so i've definitely had rappers on here before he told me that you almost couldn't be be a rapper from Sacramento without being involved in the politics. Are you like the rare rapper was able to stay out the bullshit for the most part?

Hey, you know it's crazy. Uh, somebody told me that. Mm-hmm. I ain't gonna say no names, but somebody that was doing music in my city told me that one time. Probably, I was probably like a year in type shit and then he told me like, yeah, bro, you're not gonna go crazy if you're not, if you're not politicking all the way. Hey, feel me? When I was like, all right, type shit.

Mm-hmm. Feel me? And then I don't know what happened. You're doing pretty good. Yeah, I guess it worked. How do you feel you've been able to pull that off? Just, you're staying true to myself. Not having to answer to no nigga.

Not none of these niggas have ever did nothing for me, you feel me? Like, yeah, I love my city to death. Like, you feel me? but the streets ain't this shit but brought me trouble feel me i ain't gonna lie like i was i was i just used to get in hell of trouble for a little stupid shit trying to get money you feel me i had no idea i was gonna fucking be a rapper type shit i was just i don't know bro like i was just going through the motions i really thought i was gonna do the little sport shit you feel right but then i graduated

You feel me, and it was kind of over after I graduated. I feel like that's, I feel like that happened a lot in Sack too. Like, it's a lot of raw niggas in sports in Sack, you feel me? But after high school, it's like, niggas just get caught up trying to get some money. Like life hits you quicker than you think. Right. Feel me?

So, like, when it, like I said, it just goes back to me being on my priorities. Like, you feel me? I graduated high school. I got my diploma. Like, you feel me? like I stand on business you feel me like I don't even see myself I don't even want to like seeing myself as a rapper even though I don't really got no extracurricular business shit going on right now right but I for sure want to get into some shit because you're still young you're in the very

beginning of your rap career right but I feel like I'm having enough motion to where I can kick something I could get my foot in the dough some type of way with something definitely I just don't know what it is I just don't know what I want to do you look at you look at you look at at all the richest rappers, it's like they make a shitload of money doing music, but they make a ton of money doing clothes or doing alcohol or restaurants or whatever the fuck it is. You know, there's always a possibility. And when I'm even talking to you, though, I can tell that you have like a mind that is going to take you beyond music, you know, that the music is a dope entry point, but I think you're smart enough that you probably got a lot of different things in your

future, you know? No, yeah, I'll be, I'm an overthinker. You know what I mean? Like bad, bro. and I got anxiety and shit, like, you feel me? So when it come to, like, my music and my business and, like, my circle, how we was talking about earlier when you asked me about, like, shit like that, like, I'd be overthinking, like, my brain just, I don't know, I can't even explain it, bro. Like, it's to the point where, like I said earlier,

I'm changing, you feel? I feel my, I feel myself changing. Like, I'm not the same DB. I was when I first start rapping for show. Like you can hear it in my music, you feel me? Like if you just go click the first song to Backland Misfit and then click the last song to I'm not rapping, I just dropped today.

You're gonna for show, you can for show to see, you feel me, that I've been elevating, you feel me, I've been getting smarter, I've been growing, feel me? I've been making mistakes too, you feel me? But I feel like it's a process, you feel me? Do you ever feel like you need to dumb yourself down for the music because A, the fans have like an expectation of you that they've already

solidified or B, like, you know, the street shit sells and that maybe they don't want to hear you talk about shit that goes too far outside the box or what you already have talked about. No. I just feel like, yo, I just feel like you got to make catchy music, bro. You feel me? Like, I feel like the most lyrical rapper cannot fuck with a catchy song. You know what I'm saying?

like the most lyrical rapper cannot turn up a party like you feel me you can't give everybody a vibe you feel me it might have everybody with the ooze and i he said some crazy shit really trying to sit here and listen to you but like who really giving out the vibes you feel me but that's interesting you say that because a lot of street music these days whether it's Chicago or flint or wherever the fuck all these different regional scenes there's pop and ass artists and they have funny-ass lyrics and crazy like punch lines and shit like that but they aren't necessarily making hits and they're not making shit that you could really imagine going too far outside their fan base right yeah for sure i've seen a lot of that i see a lot of that if it's even as some of that

with my music i feel like certain songs you feel me but i feel like that also comes with growing as an artist just perfecting your craft you feel me like you got to perfect your craft brer like no matter what. What's a night in the studio with you like? You go to the studio or you record at home? Both, a little bit of both, you feel like. If I come across a beat out of the crib, I listen to it, feel me, write a little 10 or something, 10 bars. Do that.

You'll write it, you don't punch in? Yeah, I write and punch in. Okay. Like if I hear a beat, I'll write like 10 bars and then I'll do that to like five beats, four beats. Okay. You feel me? Then go to the stool and just finish him. Right.

Type shit, punch the red shit. punch the rest in or right in near but i punch in and right how many people you got in there in the studio so nobody just you yeah me you're probably one more person okay yeah you don't like the party vibe uh hell no this ain't no damn party i'm paying for this session we ain't have no party here but a lot of people like they get it into their head like um i'm i need to be inspired so i need 10 bitches with fake asses first off that's for a nigga that ain't never had no bitches I feel like niggas I never had no bitches, need 10 bitches and need hell of people in the stew

to turn them up and say, go crazy. That's a niggas that's not confident. I feel like, you ain't confident in yourself, you can't go in and make some music. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, niggas don't got an ear for music, feel me? Niggas think everything they do is raw.

Like, I'm my biggest critic, you feel me? Niggas be saying that, but I'm really that. I think that's definitely a problem with a lot of rappers who punch you in. that they're not critical at all of themselves. Yeah, like, I'm my biggest critic, bro. Like, I will start a song and five minutes into recording,

and if I'm not fucking with it, I stop, you feel I mean, and not even finish it, and I want to do nothing and go on to the next one. Right. You feel me? But back on that, like, party vibe shit in the stew, it's cool if you're in there and everybody working. You feel me?

I used to do these workshops with my producers. Probably a couple months ago, I used to do them all the time, though, bro. But I invite, like, my main five producers, a couple of my partners I was rapping, and we were just being there for, like, 12 hours cooking. You feel me? They ain't in one room making beats,

and they're just sending them over to the lab, and we're just recording. That's the only time it's acceptable, you feel me? In the midst of that, everybody working. Of course, we're going to fuck around. We're getting high. There's probably a couple of bottles going around. Okay.

But, like, it's... Bolling or of alcohol? Uh, both. Not at the same time, though, right? No, not at the same time, but... Depending on who wants what? Yeah, type of shit. And so is the lean part of your creative process?

Hell no. Weed is, though. Okay. So, I damn there don't be rapping when I'm pulled up. Really? Yeah. Just pure relaxation? Yeah, I'm just chilling.

I can see that for sure. I'm actually, uh, 26 days without no juice. Really? Yeah. Do you think you were having a problem with it at a certain point? Nah, I just feel like, I didn't want to have a, I didn't want it to get bad. You feel me?

So like, I had, I don't know, I'll be, I'd be adding up how many lines I'd be pulling and shit. It's real nice in moderation. Yeah, for sure. And it's really bad if you make it an everyday habit. I've seen it too many times. Like, when I came in the game, I was thinking that lean was all sweet. All that shit, it's cool, it's fun, whatever. But once you see somebody really strung out off not having it, it's like,

it gave me a very different perspective. No, for shit, show. Like, that shit is not cool. Right. That's why I'd be stopping that shit. Mm-hmm. You think you're gonna get back on it at some point, though? I might pull up on my birthday or something.

Okay. But not, if I do end up on it, I'm gonna stop again for a month. You feel me? Right. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, it's like the ultimate drug that's gonna slow your ass down. Yeah, for sure, sure. And if you're really a hustler, you probably don't want to be doing too much of that.

It's been days I didn't woke up, bro, off that shit. and like really just lay it in bed all day right just like on some lazy ass shit that shit really make you feel lazy as fuck if you don't if you're not a lean sipper you feel me because I'm not really a lean sipper I really just start fucking with it this year type shit you know me but I don't know but it's just different floats for different boats because I seen niggas work and get shit done like ralphi and it stinks exactly like you feel There's some people that I look at and I'm like, oh, it can't be that bad. These dudes are getting tons of shit done on it.

Yeah, but nah, like for me, I'm a lightweight when it comes to drugs. Any drug I'm a lightweight. Really? Yeah, I'm loaded right now. That's good to hear. Yeah. Off what? Just the weed?

Yeah, just the weed. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's why I keep fucking lighting this motherfucker and not hitting it. That's good. PGF Nook told me that he's basically like a fucking superhero of drugs. He told me that him and his boys all took these pills and that they all ended up puking and happened to go to the hospital and he was fine.

That's a crazy thing to brag about. Yeah, I'm a lightweight, bro. Like, I get drunk fast. I get high fast. Right. Like, I be getting so hot. Oh, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you what really made me stop.

The first time I stopped sipping for a month, I feigning off the lean. Really? Yeah, I had pulled a whole deuce to the neck and drunk the whole thing, bro. And I wasn't drinking no water. And I was playing the game, stood up, started rolling my weed.

fainted passed out right there yeah it was bad I ain't gonna lie that'll put the fear in you

yeah it was like I didn't fainted before though like it was really the weed it's that cross-fated shit right

like you feel me I didn't fainted off alcohol and smoking too much weed yeah the only time I ever

like passed out like really fainted in my life was I went to the bar got drunk went back to the house smoked a bunch of weed with the homies

stand up Boom. I just fucking hit the ground. That's the exact. Which is weird because I've done that exact thing a million times in my life. But for some reason, I don't think I was breathing enough.

I think maybe I was shallow breath. I don't know. That shit crazy, though. Luckily the floor was like a bouncy wood type floor, so I didn't hurt my head. Yeah. I didn't feel it. I hit my head for sure, though.

I didn't feel it, though. Are you much of a gamer? You said you were playing the game? Yeah, I fuck a war zone. Color Duty. I fuck a Mortal Kombat. I used to be on 2K heavy, but I feel like it's weak now.

Really? I don't really like 2K like that no more. You ever hop on stream or anything? Yeah, I'll be on Twitch. Oh, wow. I got Twitch. I'll be streaming my shit. I don't got their whole camera set up yet.

Right. You feel me? I'm just kind of fucking with it. But my shit be doing cool. Like, I'll be getting like 50 Twitch views type of shit. Nothing crazy, but. T. Grizzly said that he's making $200k a month. I've seen that, bro.

Playing GTA. I seen that. I did not know that was a possibility. Because it's like a server. I think it's like a server or something. You can have to pay to get in. Yeah, I never played GZA like that, but you have a server and people are paying him to, like, play with him, which I guess makes sense that people would pay for that, right? I mean, yeah, shit, and people can pay for anything.

That's the future. Especially if you got he got hella big-ass fans like that, hell yeah, I want to fucking play the game with you. Right. I should start doing that. Why are you taking shit on your album cover? Because I'm shit-talking. I'm a shit-talker, you feel, I'm shit-talking. Right.

Definitely. The metaphor. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Definitely. I'm not really, my breath don't smell like shit or nothing. Okay. Right. But you're shitting on people.

Yeah, exactly. Right. Metaphorically speaking. Shitting on other people in the game. Yeah. No offense to them. Yeah, no offense. Kind of.

Kind of? Yeah. What's the bag clan? That's just, you feel me? That's just what I call my, me and my guys. Okay. Some bad clans. Me and my niggas.

So are your supporters, bag clan? Yeah, for members. My Instagram followers and shit. Okay. Yeah, that's the bad claim, you feel I mean, that's the team. Okay, that makes sense. Because it's like two different things

because if a rapper's a Crip and you're a fan of the rapper, that doesn't make you a Crip. But if you're a bad clan member, I just wanted to make sure that I could be a bad clan without having to get into any messy stuff. Yeah, you don't even got to join no gang or nothing. That's good. Well, that's definitely not, yeah.

Yeah, you don't got to join no gang to be a part of a bad clan. You just got to have some money. Right. You can't be broke and be a part of backcline, no. Okay. I'm doing okay. Yeah, for sure.

You got to just be doing things. Good for yourself. Definitely. So you sign with Thizzler? We do distra. Okay. Yeah, distra. So how'd that go?

How'd you get in the conversation with them? They kind of hold down the area, right? Shit, yeah. You feel me? It really started from fucking fuck with me Friday. I fucking won a little... Well, they don't do it the same like that no more, but a couple years ago,

you could tag Thizzler on your story on Friday. Okay. hashtag fuck with me friday and they'll put you on like a voting poll and they'll put like four videos up whichever video got the most votes they'll post your video on their page type of shit so um i had one a fuck with me friday and my video hit like fucking 20k in like a week or something and it was like my first video or it was like a hundred k in the month something crazy you feel me but i didn't realize how crazy it was And then I just kept dropping on Thizzler, dropping hella videos, dropping, dropping, dropping.

I was really dropping for a minute, like a year, a year, damn near, a year and a half before I, like, did my first distro with Thistler. Right. And so you think that that definitely helped turn you up and get you in front of a lot of eyeballs? It helped me learn and get organized. You feel me? It helped me definitely learn and it helped me. I see how they run their shit, so it helped me run my shit a little better. You feel me? I could see how to run my YouTube. I could see how to run the socials, you feel me? Because I post on my Instagram, like, all my videos go on my YouTube channel.

You feel me? I've been building that for a minute now. I think we're almost going to touch 50K subscribers, too. So, yeah, I got a couple Ms on my shit on my YouTube, like three. three or four definitely um i feel like it's probably fair to say you definitely one of the most popping rappers out of the sack right now but you seem like you have like a bigger vision what do you feel like is going to be the thing that helped help take you into the next stratosphere of success like do you feel like you could really make a hit that would blow up past that i feel like i can

i feel like i can make a super hit you feel we um and yeah yeah yeah you feel we um and And is that in your mind when you're in the studio? Nah, no, no, that's not in my mind. Okay. I'm really just recording to whatever beat I'm fucking with. You feel me? That's not really in my mind. Like, damn, okay, this is the hit.

This is the one that's when we get in a million off of this. Like, that's not what I'm, that's not what I'm doing. Right. But I have recorded a song and been like, oh, this motherfucker going crazy. Like that first off when I recorded it, I knew that motherfucker was going to crazy. I knew I was hitting a million. Like, I knew. that song was gonna take off, you feel me?

Right. I knew it was gone. I knew it for sure. I got a good ear for music, I feel like, with my own shit with other people's shit. Who would be another dream feature, like the Draco thing? I understand how that was probably like one of the biggest ones you wanted to do at a certain point.

Who else you look at like? That was like so out of my, that was crazy when that happened. I was hell out of my reach. I thought, or I thought it was out of my reach, you feel like me? Like if I was a rapper, if I was you, if I was like, you know, making your music, for sure I would be looking at Draco, like that's the number one person I would want to hear rapping next to me, you know? Oh, shit.

I was like, I mean, on some dream rapper shit, a song with like a little Wayne or something, you feel me on some shit like that. Right. Like that would be crazy, you feel me? Song with Lil Wayne. For sure. All right, so what do you got playing? Like what do you got coming out that you're excited about?

You're pushing this tape, obviously. Yeah, we just dropped today, actually. Right. You feel me? It's slowly but surely earlier when we dropped, it was like top 150 on the charts. It just hit number 80. Yeah, just hit 80, yep, about an hour ago.

So hopefully we bump up to 50. You feel me? That's what I'm aiming for, 50, 40. You feel me? That's what I'm trying to get. Right. But I'm really trying to start doing hell of giveaways and shit in sack.

You feel? I wanted to fucking do a, I wanted to do a haircut, give away by my old high school, but I had to do my rollout for my album. And my rollout for the album was right when school started. You think there's a lot of fucked up haircuts at your high school? Nah, I just know how it is in that area, you feel me? All the little niggas don't got, you feel me, a hot dub to go get cut real quick, you feel what I mean. They don't need, niggas, they're not really. having to you feel me like so I was just going when's the last time you cut your hair

I got cut probably like two days ago oh but like the length like oh no shit like three four years oh really you can just let it go forever or you ever gonna cut it uh I might trim it if it get like ridiculously crazy it gets that down to your ass it starts to like have like a different vibe right yeah like I had trim my shit but I don't oh no I don't plan on cutting my shit right for show uh all right so So last question, what's your relationship with your fans? Like when you see these DMs coming in, the comments, et cetera. Is that you be motivated?

Some days I'm not in the mood, but some days I'll be replying this shit. Right. Like, sometimes I be getting added into these big-ass group chats, bro. Right. Like, just with hella, hella kids and this shit. I don't understand why Instagram lets people do that. It makes looking at your DMs suck. Yeah, bro, because then it's like, and you're missing business fucking with that.

Right. I didn't miss. niggas want the features i didn't miss it'd be so much easier to look through your dms if you don't have to look through fucking 10 stupid dm group dums or like just not let them send it like when you got the blue check how they can't call you

right they should be able to like not message you or something right whenever I see that somebody try to call me on Snapchat I'm like you're fucking serious well I didn't got my phone blown up bro before I had my blue check type

shit because I always like I want to say almost 80k when I got my shit but before I got my shit I was like 60 70 for show bro I didn't been on a row one time and ran a random fan calling my Instagram like a hundred times bro I don't think I've ever had that option on Instagram turned on bro I got all the notifications I don't even know how I don't even know how to fucking happen bro all I know is when I got my blue check that she was dead that's taking your fandom to a different level. It's like, what do you want to talk about? Right.

What you want to tell me? Like, you feel? I think they just want to see that you'll pick up that you're real person. No, yeah, for sure. But shit, like, I'll be going live. That's the thing, though. I go live and I add my fans. I'll be roasting with my fans and shit. Like, you catch a live, I'll be on there flaming my fans up and shit. They need it. Get some discipline in their lives. That's what I said. They'll be flaming me back, though. I got a good relationship with my fans, though.

For sure. For sure. All right, so tell them where they could follow you at or where you want them to check out. Oh, man, DB by the bag on all social media platforms, you feel me? I am not rapping, just dropped today. You feel me, I got a feature of Mike Sheram on there, Kamaya, Almighty Butterbag, Ranny by the bag, Ralphie the Plug, KFlex, you feel me? We got some dope producers on there.

Really, I really deal with all the same producers for every tape, you feel me? So, shit, I don't really got nothing else too crazy coming. Just keep a look out for, if you're in Sacramento, just keep a look out. I'm doing meeting, greet, soon, pop-ups. I'm doing some type of giveaway real soon, you feel me. So by the time this come out, I'm probably already did it for real. Fire. And, yeah, I caught a workout today listening to the new tape, so.

No, yeah, what should you think about? Did you listen all over? It's hard. Yeah, I think I've met through the whole thing, yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. That's lit, for sure. Appreciate it, appreciate it. And my boy Trev has been playing around the office a bunch for a minute.

Yeah, that's lit. Shout out my boy, Trev, man. BBC. Yeah. Appreciate you, man. No, I appreciate y'all for having me, bro, for sure. This shit was lit. Appreciate you, you, Doug.

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