No Jumper - The Destiny Interview: Relationships, Trans Rights, Trump, Keffals & More

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

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No jumper. Coolest podcasts on the world. Flaco. You know, we here, man. We got Destiny in the building. Hey, what's up? It was suggested on the podcast a couple months ago. Your Reddit took notice of it. It clipped it.

I said, we got to make this happen. And here we are. Here we are. How are you doing? I'm doing okay. You just got off the plane. Basically an hour ago, yeah. How long are you here?

Like 20 hours. That's it. Just to do this? Just for you guys, yeah. Wow. Y'all feel special. That's incredible. Yeah, hang out, see your friend tonight, go back home tomorrow.

See your friend? Yeah. You're not going to go more depth than that? Not publicly. I've been through an up drama the past couple months, okay? Okay, okay. Let me ask you this. I can see this going a million different ways.

Uh-huh. You are obviously more aware of what would be interesting to talk about potentially, like, what the community would want to hear about. I'm just asking, you know, do you have any particular direction that you think would be interesting for us to go with on this? This is a whole new world to me. I'm just here hanging out. I'm along for the ride, so whatever you want to talk about. How much do you know about this platform?

Almost nothing. I thought you were a black dude for like two months when they were like, you should go on no jumper. And I turned on the thing. I think I thought you were at him for a while. I was like, oh, cool. Okay. Listen, man, we lit, man. He's into me.

So that actually might be kind of a compliment to him. Not really. Now, I said that he had probably the, you know, the biggest white, you know, that I've ever seen. But, you know. This is not true. Okay. There's a lot of good-sized white hogs out there. Gotcha.

I'm like average at best. Well, that's cool. He's trying to gas you up at least. Yeah. That's like a real bro thing to do. We need friends like that. You got friends like that compliment your genital? My wife does.

She's your wife now? When did that happen? Well, it was after she was my fiancé. Oh, okay. When did that happen, though? I must like, because I've been consuming so much destiny content, there's so much out there that I just still feel like there's such holes in my knowledge. It was like eight months ago.

Right. But we didn't have like a huge wedding or anything yet. It's kind of like she's Swedish. I'm American, so we have to be married so she can live in the country. But we've been together for almost like four years now. Now, like post marriage, I know that before marriage, there was kind of like an open arrangement. Post marriage, is it still open?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're going all kinds of out of the way in order, though. I kind of feel like this should be like a completest documentary, a document of Destiny's Light. So I kind of feel like we should start in the beginning. Okay.

Can you tell us a little bit about the early days? Yeah, so in 1988, I was born in Omaha, Nebraska. Right. I grew up a little bit, went to school. Parents were pretty distant. I know this part. Oh, yeah. Okay, geez.

Kind of raised yourself in a lot of ways. A little bit. I was like an independent kid growing up. I played video games. Parents were working. Right. And I did a lot of Internet stuff, the early Internet days, the wild Internet days. I played a there are these things called muds.

Okay. Multi-user dungeons, text-based video games. Right. And ruin escape and then eventually Starcraft and yeah. Right. And when you look back at that, like what do you think that video games were giving you? Like, what were they filling in your mind there? Um, I might have a little bit of ADHD being able to sit and grind at some shit and watch a number go up for like hours and hours, like 12 hours a day.

It might have been really good for me. Right. Um, I got really lucky in that I was in the sweet spot of gaming to where, I hated school. I have such trauma from school. The day my son I took him to his first day of kindergarten, I actually got triggered because I was like, I feel bad for you, dude.

You got to go to school now and it sucks. What did you hate about school? Is that fucking dealing with the kids? Or was it the... Just sitting in one place and working on boring shit just drove me absolutely crazy. I don't know what it was. It's like, you guys do like mushrooms

or LSD here or whatever? I've done it. Yeah, math class is like the closest you'll ever get to like doing mushrooms where you check like your phone and then you put it down for like three hours and you check again and like one minute is past I swear to God that clock is like fucked in the school

But um Right but you think it was because you were too smart That all this stuff just seems stupid to you? Um I think that's a cope I was pretty smart But I think I was just I just didn't like fucking school I just hated I didn't want to do the work

Right Um But I got lucky because I was in the sweet spot Where video games were just starting to get popular But all the video games You did a ton of reading Because I played RPGs back then So these old like Final Fantasies

Shining Force Fantasy start like these old games there was so much reading. So I was such a good reader. I, like, blew through school, even though I was lazy as fuck. So, yeah, I just got caught. I got lucky that games gave me that, like, reading ability and everything. And there was, like, a lot of, like, math and stuff, too, depending on what you're working on.

So, yeah. Right. Okay. So, what do you do after high school? After high school, I, so both my parents kind of moved out when I was, like, 15, 16, 17. So you're kind of on your own? A little bit. I lived with my grandma in a, it was like a, it's kind of like a senior citizen assisted living facility.

And you lived there? Yeah, for about a year or two. Oh, man. But I worked My school had like a work study program So you could do like janitorial work to pay off your degree Because I went to private high school So I had to pay for the school

And then after that I did a McDonald's for a bit Well I was 18 And then once I graduated high school I moved out with my girlfriend immediately And then I started working Yeah I just kept working and moving on like that What did McDonald's teach you about life? I think every

I think every step Probably from like 15 or 16 onwards Just taught me to hate people more and more and more Service jobs I think will do that Damn, I hated. Oh, God, McDonald's. The service store just getting to see, like, people in their natural environment treat you like shit because you work, like, at a, you know, at a fast food restaurant. I remember thinking that.

I remember working in the grocery store and thinking, like, I am willing to risk prison to not do this. Like, I will sell drugs. I will steal. I will do anything to not be in the position of standing here for $5.50 an hour. True. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think when I was getting, it was either $5.15 or $5.25 an hour.

Yeah, I was so small. I actually did a lot of reading on because I wanted to grow merit. I want at some point. And I read about the different lights you need, how you coat the inside of the room to save light. You've got to clone plants. But thankfully, I got a job at a casino, so I didn't have to resort to the life of a drug dealing. I don't know how that would want. Where were you doing the casino?

I had a really bad customer interaction at McDonald's. And I'm really good at dealing with, like, annoying people. I don't know why. I'm just very, like, chill. Oh, I've seen that on many podcasts, actually. It's kind of interesting. That's kind of the role you've carved out for yourself. Yeah.

Yeah, but I'm like, I can be chill. Like, dude's like screaming. It's like, whatever, man. Like, I'll let me get your shit. blah blah blah you're good all right you're good and uh the next person online was a supervisor that worked at a restaurant in the casino she's like that was really good you should come apply it and i'll like you get in and i'm like cool so i applied and i started working at a restaurant in the casino yeah okay have you ever played poker um a lot yeah a lot a decent amount like well now in person

um in person and online yeah okay i bought my first like real streaming computer because i got really like i won um a small multi-table on poker stars really what year we're talking 2008 I think or 2009 right before the band yeah it was before the band this was back when yeah you could actually play poker stories because a lot of times when I'm watching you I've been thinking because a huge percentage of my brain goes into poker as well and I've been thinking like I wonder what this guy's brain would do with some poker theory yeah I don't know it'd be fun it'd be fun to play more maybe you ever see people use like the the solvers and shit like the way that they tell you like the exact range of plays that are possible with every possible hand.

Like the technology of poker strategy is fucking insane. Yeah, it's probably, yeah, I can imagine. Even back like 10 years ago, like you had like hand trackers that would track like your variance over like a long period of time. And they track players because back then everybody's name wasn't randomized. You could keep track of like who was doing what and they'd have like hands and everything. Yeah, save. Right.

If I plug you with like a poker coach, would you do that on stream? Like do some kind of like, actually, I don't know. That sounds really boring for your audience. They'd probably like it actually because there's a, there's been a couple of big events going on with um with poker in the twitch woodwig and mr b so that's like the best attention that poker's gotten a long time yeah maybe yeah they were playing um they were playing like cash games with like helmuth and i think dwan i think was in the last one that i saw too so

right hellmoo pretty much like getting outplayed by mr bese yeah it was pretty funny he had a he has his moments but i mean phil is phil is phil right phil's phil's phil buying in for like 20 big blends and these like fucking games with people who have no idea what they're doing yeah yeah it's like a perfect environment for him to go crazy so you know that's what everybody's looking for you. Yeah. For the people who remember. But even, like, I'm willing to say this, even though I know the guy, like, what's her

name, Alexandra Boats? Yeah, Botez, yeah. She was playing on that. Like, the way he was behaving to her was so unacceptable. Like, I don't know. Sorry to everybody who's thinking about exing out of this right now because we're talking about stuff that you have no idea what we're talking about. But, like, he's just, like, ranting against her for playing bad.

And it's like, she's like a really, really popular, like, chess champion who also streams and does all this influence or stuff. Yes. But also. So unbelievably lucky. Oh my fucking God. But yeah. Right.

But I mean, it's like in poker, there's like a general rule that like if you're playing against an idiot, you don't tell him as an idiot, you're nice to him. It's like kind of the whole theory of the game. You want to play against people who are bad at poker. Objectively, obviously she's worse than like a professional, like Phil Helmuth. So like he's very much incentivized to be as nice to her as possible. Also just her being there is very good for poker in general because she's an influencer. She could potentially make people want to play or whatever.

And like he's just like a huge douche to her. It's very on brand for him. But with her in particular, I just really was like, this is not okay. Like this really, something needs to change here. Oh. Captain Sablehope? No. This guy.

Okay. Look at destiny, not laughing at you. Okay. So we switch from McDonald's to what? I forget where we're at. The casino, all right. And then what? Content creating.

Yeah. How do you get to content creation and all this? Big ups, big downs. I wanted to go to school for music because that was like my passion. I really like music. And I was doing saxophone in college. But my casino job was a lot.

It's probably working like 60 hours a week. And I was working graveyard shift. So I'm coming in at 10. I'm going on at 6. 6.30. 7. 38, depending on when the lazy morning shift people are ready to go.

And the issue was that like, I don't know if it's all music degrees, but the music degree at my school to maintain full-time enrollment It was just so brutal. Like 12 credit hours had me in class like 20, 30 hours a week. So I'm getting like anywhere from, it's like anywhere from two to six hours of sleep a day, like broken up into different pieces.

And then eventually I start like, I think I make it like three years. And I'm like failing random classes and stuff because I'm just like sleeping through tests and shit. And I'm going to have to. What is the plan? What are we going to do with this degree? Realistically, I'm not sure because like I'm not an idiot. Like I don't know if I'm going to be like, you know, fucking Kenny G or some shit. Yeah. So at some point I have to make a choice like between casino job and school.

And I'm like, well, the casino job, I'm really good at this. I'm excellent at this job. I'm really good at customer service. And I'll put school on the back burner and just focus on the casino stuff for a while. So I end up quitting school. I do the casino thing. I'm still young and stupid, and I don't understand, like, corporate politics or any of that shit. And I end up just being stupid, basically, in disagreements with the manager.

And over a long, dumb story, my community knows it as the Pam story. I end up getting fired for my casino job after quitting school for my casino job. Is this kind of like indicative of what the rest of your life would be like in the sense that you find something that you believe in and you're willing to hold on to it to the point where it might have a detrimental effect on your livelihood? Yeah, actually, for the beginning part of my streaming career for sure. It's this idea that like if I'm really, really good at what I do, I should be able to say or do whatever the fuck I want because my work should speak for itself. And that's what I thought of the casino. Like I was the youngest black badge, like underage, like supervisor shift leader at the casino. I knew every, like I was really, really good at my job.

So there's no way I can ever get fired. But yeah, but I would get, I run into disagreements with the, manager over staffing on my shift sometimes because I have no employees and I'm getting like VP food and beverage is emailing me saying and then emailing Pam saying like hey just you know the restaurant was a mess and I'm like okay well she doesn't give me enough employees and I'm like see seeing her on the email so she's getting like in my head I'm just thinking like oh well I'm just letting everybody know what's going on but but she's getting like ultra pissed off of the background and I am right but yeah so I get fired from that which was unreal to me because I just I'm not the kind of person to get like I know I seem really edgy now but like outside of like streaming so I'm a very very polite person like nice to people just decent people I'm really polite I get fired from jobs that's so bizarre to me I would like I'd work that place for like three years and I'd miss like a single day of work right and they or maybe it maybe it's like two years but um eventually I get fired from there I cash out my 401k I think it's like probably 20 maybe 20 25 thousand dollars I don't know and I live for like four or five six months off of that and then I got a friend that suggests like

hey there's like these guys that do streaming I think some Korean kids or whatever do like the streaming thing and back then it wasn't a big thing The technology was, like, really difficult. And what year were we talking? This would have been 2010, I think. And the, yeah, so I start cobbling together technology, trying to figure out of stream. But your video game obsession never died over the years? Not really, but I couldn't play.

No, not really. No, I've always been into games, yeah. Right. But during that time period, there's probably been times where it was, like, not very realistic for you to play games much. Yeah, because I have to work. I have to pay for my shit. Yeah. Yeah.

While I'm working on my, well, I'm living off my 401K, I start getting into streaming a little bit. But eventually I have to work again because I'm running out of money and have like a house or shit. And I started doing carpet cleaning, which was the worst thing in the world. Really? Yeah. And I do that for about a year while I try to do like, so I try to stream a little bit like between jobs. I think if you look, there's really old YouTube clips of me where I'm like, hey, this is Steve with guaranteed cleaning. Can I push your carpet cleaning job back two hours?

And I like hang out. Like, all right, guy, let's go. We got a couple hours. Wait, but you couldn't stream my. YouTube. No, that didn't even exist back to that. You were streaming on what, some weird-ass site? Initially it was a site called livestream.com. Then there was a site called YouStream. And it was always you playing games with your face in the corner? Yeah, basically, I don't know if my face was on the early ones. I don't think they were like

webcam stuff. Yeah, that probably took a while. And then eventually I settled on Justin TV for a while because they gave you like, it was like the most bandwidth. It was like 500 kilobits per second. It was like, oh my God, so much data. And you said you were a conservative throughout all these years? Or how would you describe yourself politically? Yeah, it's a libertarian. conservative yeah big Ron Paul fan in 2008 I don't remember that shit I heard you talking about that okay and so then like at what point does like you

talk you were just talking about whatever for all these years like what were you talking about for the most part and like how did you kind of develop your style through streaming um I would say that like probably my biggest gift through high school I was like really funny I like a pretty diverse group of people that I could chat with because I was always making jokes and stuff and like playing games with people

like was really funny we'd have like Tekken or Mario Kart or Smash brother set up like in the hallway at school and shit and we'd be like screaming and going wild it was just like a really funny time and um that's where the suggestion of stream came from because i think kyle was like yeah you know you're like you're kind of funny when you play games and shit you should do that online it's like yeah and then i just kind of like carry that over to the online world and then i've been like trash talking and like being aggressive for like 10 years on the internet so it carried over pretty easily and quickly yeah right all right i just want digging on this topic a little bit

more have you have you ever felt like you had an unhealthy relationship with video games because i know myself that when there is a video game that i'm into it's very Very likely that I have an unhealthy relationship with playing it too much and like doing it instead of things that I should be doing or like cutting into my sleep because I'm staying up late doing it. Like is that something you see in yourself? Yeah. And early on, apps are fucking lootly. That's why I said I was really lucky that games back then had a lot of text to read. Because if I was like a kid today that was addicted to games, fuck, I might have failed at a high school.

Right. Because it's not going to build as much of a set of skills, right? with was it just video games or do you naturally just just have like an obsessive personality to where you just gauge on anything you enjoy i don't think i do like i've tried cigarettes alcohol a lot of drugs i don't get like addicted to stuff like gambling and i'm like yeah it's just video games will just like super like suck me in yeah yeah like i don't know what are the games you play these days because a lot of times i'm watch you argue with somebody you're like looking away from the screen like squinting playing some fucking game and it's and i i don't know what like i'm not familiar with any of the fucking modern games. So it's kind of a mystery to me. I just play like these weird like base builder optimizing games. It's not like, it's not like a, it's hard to explain. Over the past like six months I've been focusing on like conversations and stuff. So the games I have running right now like really background things.

Okay. Before this, my crack cocaine would have been fucking League of Legends. It was like the worst career destroying life, destroying, relationship destroying game. You had to really like cut yourself off from that at a certain point? Yeah. Oh yeah. It was like a real full break.

Like it was a drug addiction? Yeah, I would say that like was it three. months ago my fans will know where I took like a I was close to like a new rank in league and I think I told Molina my wife I was like listen and you just stay the fuck away from me for like two days and I just need to because I need to grind the fuck out of this and that two days turned on like two weeks right where I'm like not really streaming much and like I'm just like fuck yeah

you didn't even want to stream it it was that intense no because I because dealing with chat everything I just want to fucking focus on my shit yeah right but it's a bad that's a bad game League of Legends is don't let friends don't like Friends don't Friends play League of Legends I had a conversation the other day with a friend of mine who's a professional and poker player and he was talking about why he doesn't really play as much poker anymore and he basically just said that at a certain point he realized that he was trading his time for money and it's like he's developed the skill set he knows he can consistently beat the games but at a certain point like don't you kind of want more from your life than just like swapping

your hourly for a certain amount of money when you look at how much time you're playing video games or you ever like kind of appalled by that because it's not even like you're really trading it for money you're like trading it for like status and a video game that who knows it might not even be around in a couple years right yeah i mean i think there's like two rough ways to look at like things in life you've got like happiness and you've got like fulfillment i don't think games give you very much from uh fulfillment unless maybe you're like competing you're like winning tournaments maybe uh but there's a lot of happiness like i don't regret time i've spent playing games games maybe there's other bigger projects that i could work on which is kind of what i'm

focusing on now but i don't look back at games and it's like fuck i shouldn't have played this game so much like i had a lot of fun memories and should play video games and stuff right but i mean i also I was just like, all right, when we first opened the store downtown, and realistically, this is like right when I first had no jumper set up, I noticed that myself, I like just watched every single episode of Entourage. And when I look back on that, I was like, you were fucking scared of actually putting the time and investment into this thing that you kind of knew at that time that it was going to be huge for you. Like, I think I was like scared of, you know, my potential, basically, that I knew that I was like on the verge of something. And so I found this thing that was a huge time sync for me to just sort of put a ton of effort into. And like, I don't know. Sometimes when I look at video games, I see that they're kind of like that where it's like I could have got somewhere faster in life

if I maybe hadn't felt the need to be burying my head into this shit. Yeah, maybe. It's possible. I'm in a really lucky spot that my video game addiction works a little differently because I monetize it. Yeah. It's a bit different. But, yeah. I understand what you mean there for sure, though.

Yeah, definitely. Now, like, where you're at right now, I see you more so transition. thing, I guess, out of the video game realm, or you're trying to, I guess, like, get into, like, the IRL debates, you know, you know, kind of get into more so, like, the political commentator? Well, you kind of started it, right? Or would you say you started it? I would absolutely say I started it. Some other people are saying that you're going to get into it, Flocko. Which one? Oh.

Well, again, like, me personally, like, I'll probably credit Milo for that, but like... Milo who? He's a huge Miloiannopoulos fan. Oh, yeah, wait. Let me be clear. I'm sorry. On Twitch, I started. There's a political debate way before me. Yeah, of course, yeah. Right. Yeah. No, right, but like, I'm talking about kind of like getting outside of like the streaming video games. I kind of like transition into more so like a political, you know, pundit. I started that around 2016. When the Trump stuff came up, because I'd always talked about things that were interesting, science topics, you know, philosophy, stuff, politics.

Well, I'm playing Starcraft. But it was around the 2016 time when Trump started to get big. I started to notice, man, the realities of these different types of people are diverging a lot. And I want to be like involved in these conversations. So I started to get more. more involved around 2016 and then that's kind of well now that's definitely more what I'm known for than the video game stuff before that right I mean yeah because it's kind of weird like I was so impressed when I first saw you like going on fresh and fit and I like I already knew of you and I'm like what the fuck is this conversation going to be like I was like shocked yeah and because even for me it's like sometimes when I'm around those guys and they're like praising Donald Trump and they're like saying all this anti-vaccine shit clearly like I have a bunch of like left-leaning positions that don't really align with them but

like I just love the fact that you like went on a show completely ignored the things that you disagree with them on or you know maybe found places to challenge them but you like have consciously chose to go into these places to give their audience a view of oh maybe this is a liberal that I fuck with maybe this is a Democrat that I could see some common ground with yeah yeah that's kind of been my goal over the past like year or two year especially uh from 2016 to like 2019 basically my goal was like everybody on the right was just like hardcore fact warrior rationality and like people on the left were crying and dying their hair and being fat and um i thought like oh well you know i have a really toxic internet background like i can debate really hardcore from a

left leany perspective and that's what i did for like probably two or three or four years like people knew me as like left wing ben shapiro or whatever is what people would call me so what do you think is keeping you from becoming like truly viewed as that the left one ben sheper that's a big fucking big set of shoes to fill no fuck shaper i don't like how do you get I know. I think he's a retard too, but... Well... Oh, Lord, here we go. Wait, hold up. How is Shapiro a retard?

I have a big problem with people don't challenge themselves with other people. I don't like that. And when you get really well known for bowling the fuck at a college kids, it makes me wonder sometimes. It's like Crowder, but Crowder doesn't hold himself as a big intellectual. Ben Shapiro does. I think Shapiro should be out there having more challenging conversations instead of just talking to a computer screen. Well, when I've seen Ben Shapiro coming up, and he definitely did. his rounds, right? You know, he debated, you know, coming up. But then once you reach the status

he is right now, who, like, who can he really go ahead and debate? Anybody? See, this is a thing. People will use debates as these, like, ways to elevate their platform, but they don't view it as, like, a genuine way to make your views commensurate with somebody else's. Like, and I think that's what debate forces you to do. Like, you think some things, I think some things. Let's, like, get in the same area and actually, like, make some kind of, like, forward progress on making our views compatible with each other. But you have many different debating styles, because I've seen you do debates where you clearly disagreed with the person on just about everything, and you go into it basically like just trying to be as, you know, approachable and cool as a cucumber as you could be.

But then I've also seen ones, I was just watching you do the one with this dude Eric Stryker, who was like a huge know-it-all, basically like a Nazi. And it was just like you weren't holding back at all. Like you were literally pretty much saying everything that was coming across your mind in terms of like letting him know that his arguments were dog shit and whatnot. Yeah, so Stryker was, I think, a few years ago. Yeah. He also got really unlucky, and the first topic he decided to bait me on was like, music. And I'm like, oh, my God, for the first... He said, jazz isn't even real.

And I'm like, I'm a saxo player. And I did, like, composition of my background. This is what you want to start with. He said jazz is a bastardization of a waltz. Which I am not prepared to refute that, even though it sounded kind of goofy to me. But then, like, because I had no idea you had this musical background. And the fact that you were able to just torch him, I was like, how is this even fucking real, dude? Yeah.

Yeah, I was a really lucky. moment for me because how the fuck is music ever going to be involved in political debate right but compare those two debating styles and what situation might call for that you know yeah so like in the first like i said like my first like three years was the way that i would peel people off or get people kind of out of these like really far right areas was they'd see me and they'd like oh wow like um i thought that all the liberal guys were like cry babies and you know he came and he made my dude look stupid and i you know i'm gravitating towards that kind of like strength or whatever like i like that debating style um but i think over the past like twoish years especially over the past one year

I think something I've noticed it's more effective is I've gotten away from kind of like the really combative style Unless somebody really calls for it I've gotten away from the combative style and now I'm more my goal is to like Be really empathetic so I want to understand you and then I want you to feel like I understand you and then once I'm kind of like in your comfortable Bubble where we feel like we're like viking hard then I could kind of like question some of the things you're saying So like kind of change your viewpoint a little bit or with the way you put it before like I want other audience to like oh I can fuck with this dude Right like he's kind of a faggot but like he's like an okay he's an okay fagg.

It's like how people will describe me sometimes depending on where they see me. So yeah, that's like that's generally my goal. I don't want to come there and be like, fuck, he's here to debate me on every single topic. I just want to show up and they're like, okay, you know, like, I don't know if I agree with what he's saying, but like at least he's honest. And I kind of, you know, I fuck with that. That's cool. And you do have some positions like when you say something like faggot or I think I already said retard on this podcast or whatever. Like at what point did you decide to kind of stray away from the rules that in particular on the left kind of govern what is.

considered acceptable speech. I've always been kind of a renegade on that. I've been a big context person. There's a lot of stuff that I've kind of cut out or try to be aware of because I think when you have a large audience, I think you have to be careful. So I guess one recent example is that like I'll joke a lot about hating women because who the fuck wouldn't? But then I noticed that like over time I'm like, ugh, like when I have a conversation with

a woman on stream or a debate or whatever, my audience is like comes across a little bit misogynistic, like actually in cell. So there'll be a time it's like, okay, guys, we're going to chill on this shit for like a few months because you guys are out of control on this. So I try to be really aware of like where my audience is going. If you engage in like a certain type of humor, like if you use racist humor for a long time, your audience will kind of turn a little bit racist or like the tone gets a little bit different. So yeah, I always try to be aware of that.

I'm never going to be the kind of guy who's going to be like, don't ever say, you know, this word or don't ever say that word or blah, blah, blah. Because I think everything has its place or its moment or its time. But I, I'm not one of the like comedian type. guys are these people out here that are like oh well I should be able to say anything and my audience are all smart and I shouldn't have to change my speech for idiots and blah blah blah blah blah blah and I was like bro I get paid a lot of money to be an influencer obviously I'm influencing what people are thinking like so yeah right

but like okay with the faggot thing in particular it's like that that's one that the argument would basically be that this is a word that you know dehumanizes gay people and it's been used to dehumanize them for all the years it's basically in league with the N-word or something like that like what is your actual your opinion that makes you feel like it's a good thing to use. Well, to be clear, I'm saying other people call me a faggot. But I'm bisexual, so I can say that. It's okay for me. So I hear. Yeah, but the, I don't use that as an insult. It's too much. It's way too far. Right. It's just, even if you agree with it

on an intellectual level, it sounds so extreme in this day and age when you hear somebody saying faggot out of anger. Ooh, that's a spicy one. Oh, shit. There was a, I don't want to drop names, so I don't want to blow anybody up. There was a really big law streamer guy who got into a debate with somebody else over some of this Kiwi farm stuff that's blown up. Okay. And he started to get real mad. Yeah. And he dropped it on a street.

I was like, whoa, shit. Damn. Yeah. It's crazy how quickly language has changed, though. Yeah. Because I grew up in Boston in the 80s and 90s where like gay, homo, queer, etc. These are all like completely normal parts of like almost everyone I knew's vocabulary. Yeah, that's not Boston.

That's the entire world. That's white people countrywide. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah, that was, yeah, definitely. Even looking back, I remember a year ago, I was watching, I was watching Clerks 2. And somebody in that movie was called someone, I was like, damn, holy shit, what? Yeah.

Because then it's like they just say it and there's no greater meaning to it. This is just a regular insult. Whereas if that was in a movie today, there would immediately have to be like a journey into investigating why they said that. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. I mean, I think for the most part, like people complain about the cancel culture and the language and stuff. I like that we've got a lot more inclusive today. I think people on the left get a little bit crazy when it comes to the,

the language policing shit, people go way too overboard sometimes. But I think for the most part we've made, like, good movements, I think. Why is retard okay? Because I feel it in my soul that it's okay. So. But I'm not sure how to intellectualize it. I'm going to intellectualize it for you, but it might be a cope, okay? I'm well aware, yeah.

You call somebody, like, a racial slur. Well, it's kind of shitty because, like, you should, the joke is literally like you're bad because you're, like, you're black or you're Hispanic or you're Asian. Right. And if you call somebody, you know, like a homophobic slur, well, you're bad because you're gay. well if you call somebody retarded it's pretty bad to be retarded

it really is you know there's not there's no escape from that it's a pretty bad thing right now the counter argument would be well there's a lot of people with mental disabilities that when you call somebody retarded it can make them feel like you're calling them like bad or whatever but I would say that

retarded whether we should or shouldn't say it it stands in a separate category because it is actually like a bad thing right could we demonize calling somebody an idiot or like you're stupid well it depends on how far you want to go there are some people that they would say yes to that. Right, because I've seen that

and it just seems like insane. Oh, dude, I've seen like the best woke fucking debate on Twitter the other day where somebody said that it's it's ablest to not like kids because kids are basically like not fully functioning adults. Yeah, I saw this.

Yeah, it's a form of able toism. And then somebody responded basically saying like kids kind of like violate a lot of the terms of their disability by being loud and invasive and all these other things, I guess. And like, so therefore, children themselves are really the ablest.

Yeah, it's a wild world. Yeah, that's tough. I'm sure you've seen far more than we have. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot out there, yeah. But was there like a, okay, so you're doing politics on stream, and was there a moment where, like, because for a while, you're like in the good graces of, like, the cool kids on leftist streaming internet culture, right? When did you see it starting to divide?

Did you ever see, like, yourself going along with positions, maybe unthinkingly because everybody else agreed and were you ever even like capable of that or were you always like confrontational about stuff you disagreed on no i was always confrontational so what i bullshitted myself in the thinking is i didn't realize that throughout different points in my career i was i feel i always feel strongly about what i say and i've thought a lot about everything i say but i sometimes i have an uncanny ability to pick up followers or fans that just they're like they're biting the end of my position because it suits them at that particular point in time and they're not really biting the thought process and that's bothering me. I used to be kind of more right-leaning

slash libertarian and I remember one of my huge turning points was I'd always fight like in these Gamergate days against these like the SJWs or whatever and I remember I'd fight against things like representation I think there should be more black people and women in video games and I'm like well I'm white I don't care if there's like a black person or a woman if you're you know if you're a woman or if you're Asian who why you care what the character looks like like who is that really a big deal right and I felt strong and I truly do believe that I have like really diverse groups of friends I'm into a lot of different countries I'm the only white dude and I don't doesn't bother me. It's genuinely doesn't bother me.

And I've got a lot of people following me that are saying like, yeah, true, destiny, you know, man, truth to power, dude, you're so right, absolutely based. But just because, like, their viewpoint in general. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember this, I remember the thing that blew my mind the most. This was like a watershed moment for me. Some fucking FIFA game was coming out. And there was like the main character was Hispanic or something.

And the Reddit thread backlash against this was like, why the fuck am I playing a game with the main character is like brown Argentinian kid or whatever the fuck? Like, I can't, I don't understand this dude. whatever like what the fuck is wrong with you guys I thought we didn't care about this shit right um and I've had those moments happen initially on the right where it was like oh you guys actually don't believe in this shit like a lot of you are snowflakes a lot of you do get really emotional a lot of you do need like characters that represent you that's really important to you um and then it's happened a bit unfortunately in the left as well where there are certain things that I believed in and

I thought other people did but they were just doing it because it just agrees with like their their later positions you know like don't be ableist or make fun of people for appearance or blah blah blah and that's all fine and good until like a right-wing person says something you don't like. Oh, man. Do you know Pete Buttigieg? Damn, people got wild homophobic about that dude. Right. And it was considered okay because it was a threat to their candidate.

Yeah, but it was some insane shit. I remember there were some guys from Virgil, I think, from Chapo Trap House tweeted. It was some tweet from a movie where there's like a dude with like a, there's like five guys in the background and he's like fucking naked and it's about to get like raped or whatever. And the caption was like, this is Pete Buttigieg back at his offices now. I'm like, holy shit. Shit. You guys are insane. What the fuck? Right. Yeah, or even, I remember there was a, there was like this gay Republican candidate. I don't remember where at.

But there's some, like, even Hassan retweeted this guy who was like, man, this candidate sure is a smart, me, annoying fag. Right. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you guys? Like, Jesus, yeah. So that's allowed when it comes to people that people disagree with? Yeah. But then you kind of see that the positions start to look fairly similar and that everybody kind of has their rule book. But there's actually like a secret rulebook in the back. Like as long as you don't like him, then everything is fair game. I was like, fuck that.

But a question, right? So again, like both sides is, both sides, like the extremes on both sides are bad. So then why did you, I guess, decide to categorize yourself as a liberal, opposed to, you know, like, still being right wing, but still saying, listen, like, the extremist, I don't rock with. Why am I, so why am I left wing at all? Yeah, because you're like, you categorize yourself as a liberal, right? I'm pretty far left, probably farther left than the average liberal, I think. Yeah. But there is just, like, certain.

socialist. He's like, okay, people would expect that if they knew about some of the stuff that you said about trans stuff, they would put you in the conservative bucket, even though like 99% of your views on trans shit realistically are left wing. But it's like you've had a few, you know, transphobic things that you like weren't willing to get on board with. So like people choose to kind of put you in a completely different bucket, huh? Yeah, it just depends on who you are where you're at. Like I think there are strong arguments for minors getting access to, ideally with the doctor's approval, like HRT stuff or puberty block is at least at young age. That's a pretty radical left

position. It's pretty far to the left. But I don't think trans women should be competing in sports with cis women and all the research supports that. And that position can make me sound like a fucking Nazi, depending on who I'm talking to. But also like, if you were to state that position to every single person who has been on this podcast over the

course of like the last year, you might be able to find a handful of them that took any kind of issue with it. That's just like common fucking sense that every normal person agrees with and I agree with you. It's just a issue because it makes the whole of leftism look bad. Yeah, and and for the trans stuff too, and I kind of wonder, because we kind of saw this and no disrespect to Leah Thomas, because I think you should, you should fucking rock whatever system you're in. If they're going to let you compete, then fucking you should compete as hard as you can. I have no problem with any individual trans athlete, because you should do what you can. But like, I wonder, we saw this wave of kind of like anti-trans legislation and stuff moved through the U.S. And I wonder how much of that was hyped off the back of the Leah Thomas issue. It should have probably been a pretty common. like trans women, especially women, trans women that have gone through a male puberty, probably shouldn't be competing in athletic NCAA events with cisgender women.

Well, because for years and years before this, people who were arguing in favor of trans women women being in women's sports would basically just emphasize that, like, well, look, nobody has really won anything. Nobody has really dominated in any particular category, et cetera. And like the conservative argument would obviously be, yeah, not yet. It's like, it's coming. It's going to happen. Like, Leah Thomas just kind of sped it up for people so they could see it playing out in real time and get scared. And I mean,

it's a totally reasonable reaction for them, right? Yeah, and then it's, that's not even a good argument because the problem is when we get to the point

to where trans women start to win a lot, well, now you've probably, you're, you're too far past the precipice. You can't pull it back

at that point because there's going to be huge backlash, right? Like, if it was made okay, all trans women, also swimmer are competing together.

That's what we're doing. Those are the rules going forward. And if it's been like that for five, six, seven, eight,

nine, 10 years, well, now it's probably going to be like that no matter what. Like the idea of rolling back on that is going to incur so much social friction that, well, now you're fucked. Now it's just, yeah. So I think you kind of have to think ahead a little bit.

You can't just like, well, well, you know, if they start dominating everything, then we'll change it. Well, because now at that point now it feels even worse. Now you've got like a whole bunch of problems. But you think that the trans community really thinks that you're their ideological enemy? Or like, do you think that if they were to really be on their deathbed and have to be honest that they would admit that like, yeah, we disagree on like 2% of shit regarding this very specific issue? There's, without getting too deep into it, there are huge divides in the trans community about what they think about certain things.

There are certain groups of trans people that I would super get along with really well. I've got a ton of emails from people. They're like, oh, thank you. Like, your voice is really important. Like, I feel insane as a trans person. None of these communities accept me. I listened to the manifesto, so I heard you read like 40 minutes of emails about this topic. Yep.

At a certain point, I was like, I don't know if I could listen to any more emails. Sure, yeah. And then, yeah, but then there's another kind of group of trans people that, like, literally hate me and they think that I'm paving the road towards like trans extermination in the country and shit. Right. Wow. Wait, though. You know, so like when I hear you again, man,

like, that's where people like kind of get confused. Because you went from being right wing to now you're on this opposite side of the field, right? How did that happen? You know, you know, opposed to just hearing some like bad things from like the extremist of the right. How did you go from one, from one spectrum to the all the way, you know, on the other side?

And I just want to let you know before you answer that question that he's basically a fresh and fit operative. No, I'm not nice. That's good. I'm going on that show tomorrow night. Straight to Miami from here? Tomorrow morning, I go to Miami, and then I'm going tomorrow night with my wife.

Are you seeing like, oh, you live there. No matter. Yeah, yeah. You're going out of your way, right? Yeah. Honest to God, there were a couple moments where if you are working class poor, and I don't mean people listening to this,

they're middle class, okay, fuck the middle class. Okay, I don't mean people that are like, it's really hard to afford my third car or we can only go to Disney World twice this year. I mean, if you're like the kind of person that has to do like live paycheck to paycheck and like a flat tire fucks your like half year up, like these kinds of people. That was probably the point of my life when I was the most conservative. I don't know why because you're working and you feel like the only way out is to work and work and work.

And I think after getting into streaming, after having a kid, after seeing all the things I can do for my kid with money and then and then seeing as I get more, more money, like the massive imbalance of opportunity and everything available to me between now and then. It just made me look at life so much differently Because it's like it's so unbelievably unfair Like I can buy a house in my city to put my kid in a better school And like when he's like during the coronavirus shit They have like iPads and shit that every kid just gets to take home and show like these are opportunities Available to him that kids in North O or South though if you live in Omaha They don't have these opportunities and it's not the kid's fault

It's just how much money the parents have that kind of shit is wild to me Are you kind of like personalizing the transition for Flacco there because I feel like you're a person who tends to like make their decisions on like policy or whatever based more on like you know actual arguments and less on like anecdotal experience or personal experiences like did having those experience or really like swing the pendulum in your mind more so than like reading an actual argument against you know a certain political philosophy might have i think the experiences actually did shape a lot yeah um i hate to say that because i feel like a very intellectual guy like oh i mean like i can read this and know everything but um i think having certain experiences

radically changed my mind on how I view things. Funny enough, actually, way before the internet was talking about banning the word faggot from everything, I decided to stop using that word as an insult truly back in 2013. And the reason why it was, and I made, I know every single argument

for why we should be able to say slurs. We don't actually mean it. You're giving them more power when you make people feel bad about it. I've got friends that are gay, all the arguments, blah. Like, I could do those arguments all day, and I did do those arguments all day.

You can find old videos to be making those arguments. And I was in a, I was in Poland at the time. I was living in Warsaw for three months and I had a gamer house and I heard two people having a conversation we were all kind of like chatting over food and one of the guys that was talking to other dude

referred to another guy who's actually gay and he called him like a fucking faggot and when he said that I got a really weird feeling I said faggot a ton because we were in RTS that was our word okay like in college you guys have like the N word in RTS we had faggot

that was what he said and after he said that I was like I'm really uncomfortable saying that word around you because you seem like you actually hate gay people. It makes me feel really weird. I don't like that. And it probably took me a couple weeks to where I started thinking more like on my stream and in front of my audience.

Like, man, I wonder when I say certain words, are there people out there that are like genuinely hateful? That when I say some shit, they're like, hell yeah. Because I don't want to like reinforce that. It doesn't make me feel good. And I remember I wrote a post. I think it's still on my website. It was like back on 2013 I wrote this.

Like, I don't really want to use this word anymore. I'm going to kind of think more about what does my audience take for me, whether I'm being an intentional or unintentional. And then it would be. a couple years later I would stumble into other it's really fun I guess a lot of comedians have this thing too um Dave Chappelle has a really good conversation with Oprah about getting the wrong type of laugh when he's recording a skit I don't know if you've seen it before okay but uh sounds familiar yeah he talks about how they were going to do a particular skit I don't even remember what the skit was

but after they had finished like filming something there was a white dude on set and he was laughing and Dave Chappelle had felt like I think for the first time it was like I felt like a dude was laughing at me didn't feel like the kind of laugh I wanted and yeah I had one of those ones like 2013. So that experience, I think experiences have shaped quite a bit of, like, my viewpoints on things. It's interesting because, like, streamers are held accountable for their community so much these days. And I've kind of even

seen you kind of make that argument about certain streamers is, like, look at, forget about what they were saying. Look at what their chat was saying during this. Like, if the vast majority of, like, hundreds of people in their chat seem to feel a certain way that maybe the streamer is not saying because they don't want to

violate terms of service or whatever, then that says a lot. But, like, how much responsibility do you feel for that? I mean, I feel 100%. Like to some extent, they're kind of like my children, right? They're spending a lot of time watching me. If they're all joking about things in a certain way, it's because they're picking

up something that I'm putting down, even if I'm not aware of it. So things I try to be aware of, yeah. So you, like, instruct your moderators that even if there's like a very, you know, niche weird inside racist joke, that these are all things that you basically want to eliminate from your chat? Kind of. I call it like soft moderation. I don't try to

like ban hardcore for it unless somebody's being really fucked up but it's more I'll just have like conversations occasionally we're like all guys we need to like chill on this because I think we all have roughly at this point me and my committee have the same values so it's more just like a general reminder where it's like I don't know if every time a girl comes on you guys start making boob jokes it's probably not like the best idea also makes women never want to fucking join this community when you do shit like this and then it also gives a lot of cover for people to make comments that are like a little bit too beyond the pale right now you've got some guy saying like oh yeah you know the only

reason she's here is because of those you know she's a fucking woman or whatever but And on its own, that comment looks bad, but if it's in a sea of like a big boobah, I don't know. It's harder to see stuff like that. So, yeah, I try to be like a guiding force without being like ban, ban, ban, ban, ban, ban. Right. Unless I make fun of me for plan league, then I ban on all. Let me ask you this. Did Andrew Tate deserve to get banned, this coordinated effort against him, all the social media platforms banning him at the same time, basically?

The word deserve. What do you mean by that? Right. In terms of, did he break the TOS and everything? I don't know if he did. If you were the president of Twitch, you were the president of Twitch, you were the president of Twitch, do you think that that was a reasonable decision for them to make? No, I don't, I hate what a lot of what Andrew Tate says and stand for.

Right. I go on fresh and fit and I argue with kind of, or Sneco even, I argue with these like kind of like fresh and fit ideas, um, the specters of, uh, or the spectres of Andrew Tate ideas, I should say. He is still with us. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but like, I, I think it says something about your ideology of like the only way to

maintain it is to like relentlessly ban and destroy like every other opposing voice. Right. Like if these guys are growing massively in popularity, there's got to be a reason for it. Right. Like there are people that are really hungry for the type of stuff that Tate is saying. So if you don't have an alternative, you can't just ban it and say fuck all of you guys. Like you find a way to do something about that. It's scary because we all know it's going to be effective.

We all know that we're going to hear so much less because it worked with the fucking president. We barely fucking heard up here about Trump these days. You know, and he's got his own social network and you still don't really hear about him the way that you used to. Now he doesn't have access to these things. And I don't know, that one is scary to me. Like, you just kind of seen this shit slowly go down. I mean, like yours was like almost this bizarre aberration when I saw you get banned from Twitch and Twitter because I'm like, I could not have imagined that in a million years.

But then, I don't know, just seeing it happen to more and more people's like fucking sneako just because Twitter deleted. I'm like, like, this is a real coordinated effort to take out anybody who has, you know, offensive viewpoints, even though, I mean, like, what's the worst thing you ever heard Andrew Tate say. Like, girls are dumb? Like, I don't really know if that necessitates, like, a ban from all of social media. Nah, man.

Me personally, like, I never heard, again, like, I've heard probably Andrew Tate, I guess, lose debates, right? Like, you know, when, like, he puts out these, like, blanket statements, like, you know, women or worst drivers. That is a good point. I've seen him basically got his ass handed to him and debates over and over, which makes him seem a lot less scary to me. Yo, which is why I don't understand then, right?

because obviously there's a particular side who is afraid of countering ideas. Right. And that side, more times or not, it's the left, where they are just outright scared to shit to counter ideas. And that's why they're all for banning because they don't want to have to debate,

you know? Yeah, I'll be careful. I won't say it's the left. I'll say it's whoever in that particular point in time has like their thumb or fingers on like the levers of power. Like conservatives were real scared about like gay people and shit in like the 80s and 90s and early 2000s. Like they didn't want them fucking anywhere to. a lot of like LGBT, like get them the fuck off all the platforms and shit.

But now that the left is in charge, yeah, it's very much like banning everybody from everything that I want to hear of poison, points of views. But there's, okay, there's two things to be true at the same time because you agree that Twitter have the right to ban you from their service, even if you think that they made the wrong decision. Yeah, of course. Everybody has the right. Yeah, it's private platforms technically, yeah.

Right. And I mean, I guess that's the whole question. Like, is it, but when it becomes coordinated, it becomes so much scarier in the eyes of the average person who's watching the. take place, right? Like, if it was just Twitter doing it, I guess, and if it related back to a specific thing that he said on Twitter, I think everybody would have been able to kind of

accept that. The argument isn't rather than Twitter has to write, right? What's the argument, I guess, for people like us is, they, okay, you know, like they have the protection, cool, but once they do it, it's the reaction, meaning one side is celebrating this, while the other side saying this shit is not cool, and

the side who is celebrating this should be, yo, listen, like, we don't agree with people, but we need to come together and burn that shit down, meaning like if any company is against the freedom of speech, burn that shit down. I mean, we all feel completely helpless when somebody that we like gets banned from a certain platform, right? It's like we've all had this experience over and over where somebody that you like following is just gone from a platform.

Well, like, it's past Andrew Tate, right? So, again, I don't even think the Andrew Tate ban is effective because, one, there's going to be a new Andrew Tate in 12 months, right? So there's nothing they can do to even, like, counter that, right? And then there's Rumble now where he's out here doing, you know, 100, you know, right K, like, you know, I'm laughing. Well, those platforms are so niche in comparison to the mainstream social access. And a lot of people might say that Andrew Tate is kind of like a reaction to Trump getting banned. Like, people needed somebody else with this energy.

Or you can even say it's a totally, okay, is Andrew Tate like Kevin Samuels in white face? Like, was that a big part of his appeal is that he was putting forth the same fucking platform in a lot of ways, but he was doing it as a white guy. Nah, so I feel like. And a kickboxer. No, I feel like if Kevin Samuels would have like stuck to his, his like original thing, which was male empowerment, then Andrew Tay would have probably been the, you know, like the white face Kevin Samuels, you know, even though he's black. Andrew Teet definitely went a lot more overboard in a lot of ways. Yeah, like Kevin Samu's. Did he say anything that was, you bring up a good question.

Like, what did he say that was like so fucked up? I don't know. And whenever you ask that question, people say, like, he was arrested for trafficking, humans or whatever. Yeah, but he wasn't convicted on anything. What the fuck does that? That's not what we're talking about. You don't get banned from Twitter for having like a prior conviction. And he didn't even get convicted of it.

And there was a video of him beating a girl, which I, too, found kind of baffling. Like, I don't know exactly what the idea was that. I mean, you don't get banned off social media for being an abuser, right? And I'm pretty sure if it was the one girl, hasn't she come out and said that, like, that was part of, like, some shit they did or whatever. See, he's better research than me. Yeah. No, no, no, right? So like the girl came out and said pretty much like, and she told him to do it on like, you know, on like, you know, to like recorded or some bullshit like that.

Right. So like it was actually recorded and put out. You feel what I mean? So like now my question of you is, again, just put it on our conspiracy hat. What do you think they think is so dangerous about Andrew Teague? Do you think it's because his message is empowering young men to feel like, yo, listen, you can be the best you work out, get right? Now the other young men are not, you know, stepping stools for, you know, females. That's a really positive review of his message to the world. I don't think, I think people get too conspiratorial, and I don't like it because it inhibits the ability to see, like, the actual problems.

I think that a lot of these tech companies are, like, very San Francisco mindset. Like, they're very much, like, the culture of the company is, like, a very ultra-progressive company. And the people inside probably feel pretty committed to, like, these ultra-progressive values. And you get a lot of that reinforcement, like, up and down the corporate ladder. And I think that's all you really need to explain, like, the actions of the people. in the company and white people are getting banned. Like when I like, I don't think the Andrew Tate thing is somebody thinking like, okay, we're going to disempower white men in the United States.

Like this is going to be the best way to, like, I don't think it's that. They probably seem like, this guy is like a raging, misogynistic, anti-woman. And yeah, we got to get rid of this guy because he's corrupting the youth. Like they genuinely probably believe that is my guess. Just based on personal involvement with them, things I hear about like different cultures inside different tech companies like Twitch and whatnot. And it seems to be pretty consistent with all the messaging. Would you feel any sort of way about platforming industry?

Like if you had them on your stream. I mean, I do it. At this point, I'll platform it. Right. You platform people way more offensive than him. But, I mean, do you feel like that is even a concern? Because, I mean, I got a lot of shit for the interview of Milo Unopolis back in the day. And in retrospect, I kind of understand why.

Because, A, I wasn't smart enough to, like, really understand what he was doing, really in, like, a lot of ways. And, you know, he ended up, people ended up viewing what a lot of what he was doing differently down the road. But now in 2022, I'm kind of like. I feel like I, you need, there's a certain responsibility on you if you're going to have somebody who disagrees with you a lot on your show. Like, I mean, I think you have that responsibility to be able to defend your positions well. Act got some shit. Did you know, because he had Candace Owens on? Oh, damn.

Even for like Milo, I feel like where, you know, like Milo and he got canceled for just simply being gay. Like to me, because again, man, like the right. No, he was supporting, he was normalizing and basically like endorsing like grown men. fucking young boys. I agree, though. I hear it differently too, but they did a very good job of presenting that case at that time.

So let's not like gloss over. No, they didn't even do a good job. Milo just fucked himself. If you want to deal with a topic like that, you've got to know you're going to get fucked up if you treat it. Because he's like, oh, well,

Pastor Michael's taught me how to give really good hands. I was like, bro, come on, dog. You can't follow that up with like, well, yeah, young boys need older men to guide them. It was like, bro, what are you doing? Like, yeah. He just got way too high off his own shit and thought he could literally say,

anything. He did a book deal international tours. He thought he was untouchable. What was crazy about that is that I asked him damn near the same question when I had him on the podcast because he had just been on Joe Rogan and I had heard him basically say that and Joe kind of let it skate and he didn't really like dig in too much. I asked him about it as well. I could feel it that like he realizes is a sort of an untenable position that might get him in trouble in the long run. But then he actually got canceled for like an amazing, amazing atheist podcast, I believe. Yeah, right. Now a question is, when is deep platforming okay then.

Like, what's the line? Again, like, for me personally, I'm somebody where I support the right of any racist to come online and speak on why they hate this group and why this grouping shit. I support, again, right? Because me, I'm an absolutist, right? Meaning, like, it's either it's free speech,

talk your shit, or nothing at all. So I support it, but... Do you really believe that? Yeah, of course. I feel like we could easily come up some situations that would convince you otherwise. No, no, no, right? So look, so like, here's my theory is, as long as that speech do not violate somebody's natural rights, meaning like somebody has the right to

life, liberty, and like, pursuit of what happens, right? So as long as that speech do not call for somebody to be killed, you know, call for me to be violated. No child porn, no, like, direct calls to violence or whatever, right? That's the easy stuff that you've got to keep off your platform. But I mean, if you're Twitter, and he could probably do a better job to summarizing this than me, is like, if you're

Twitter, like, who is, like, who's demanding that you have like a rich community of Nazis on your platform? Like, isn't that well within their rights to, at some point, and say, know we don't want that on here. Hey, right. So, like, it's in their right, but they have a responsibility, meaning, again,

Twitter is only able but to operate because we tolerate it, meaning like, and if the consumers say, listen, like, we're not fucking with it. They are out of here. So I feel like us, we should say, listen, like, we support the right of any Antifa, of any Nazis, right? You know, again, they have the right to have a space to speak whatever they want to speak without violating somebody else's rights, right? And the minute, you know, like, you know, Facebook and Twitter, the absolute minute that, you know, that they go against free speech or go against just like deep, you know, I feel like Twitter, like, just like deep platforms, just anybody once they get like backlash or once that person don't really fit like their mode, I feel like it's up to us to really, again, boycott, ban, shut that shit down, burn that shit down the minute they go against, you know, but the values.

thoughts? So there's a couple There's a lot of different things going on here So first we'll talk about like social media platforms real quick I don't think the argument They're private companies I don't think that works anymore I do think these represent the new public square

Which kind of calls a different type of scrutiny On to them But something formal will have to happen In order for them to actually be treated like that right? I understand because right now they're they can They're functioning as they should The section 230 arguments are bullshit They're totally within their right to ban certain texts people from their power where they want to.

But it's really fucking weird that a billionaire who's the president of the United States has like disappeared from my eye because like a couple of tech companies are like we're not going to host a shit anymore. Right. That's bizarre to me. That's scary to me. Did it feel justified during January 6th at that time? Because I remember at that time, it kind of felt like there was a real alleviation of tension in the country. It felt like a practical decision at that time, to be honest. Maybe.

Yeah, it's hard to say. because Trump went really far. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And we now know even more about how far he was going. Yeah. But like when you get to people like Andrew Tate, like when you're starting to D-platform at that level across and it's like a coordinated thing,

it just, it feels like my big issue that I've been focusing on, especially over the past year, is it feels like there's like two different kinds of like worlds. It's like matter and antimatter that like can never touch in the United States. Where you have like these conservative worlds and you've got like these liberal worlds and sometimes we even like live. next to these people, but they, we inhabit different place on the internet, we go to different

restaurants, have different activities, and we never actually truly cross. And that rigid ideological reinforcement, that ideological orthodoxy that exists online, I think is furthering that divide. Like, I think that it's funny because some people always point out that in the United States, one of the biggest fears is that we're becoming more and more divided than we ever have, but I don't actually think that's the problem. I think the problem is that we have two different groups of people that are becoming more and more unified. Like, it's not that we're all so different. It's that there's two groups now that are getting more and more the same and are moving,

like, really far in different directions. Right. Because in a lot of, like, left-leaning ultra-progressive areas, that ultra-progressive opinion is not challenged. And you can't even challenge it. It's like unbelievable to even think about challenging. You're an example of that. Like, if...

If I'm getting banned for transphobia, like, yeah, what the fuck is going on? What are we doing? And because, okay, we have, I've had this conversation. I want to know your opinion. I've had this conversation of, like, look at the Republicans versus look at the Democrats. So the Republicans are so fucking welcoming and they'll allow even people as far as actual white supremacists.

They won't disavow them from their party. They'll happily have Q&N people be part of their party. Whereas on the left, it's like you say anything. Like they should be happy to have destiny as, you know, somebody they should be courting you to fucking, you know, promote their candidates or whatever. They should be courting a Jill Rogan who, to me, as somebody who was clearly like driven from the left who identified as a democrat for all these

years and he was kind of pushed away from the party which you know it's kind of an understandable decision because he was basically shit on by like some of the most powerful party people in the party i mean like is that just like a fundamental is that the nature of leftism or is that something that you think could eventually change in order for it to have a wider appeal again i think both sides do it there's a concept called like the bigotry of small differences where I kind of feel it personally. That's why all these gangbangers kill each other. Maybe, yeah.

It's because they live next to each other and they have like a different couple letters tattooed on them, you know? Sure, yeah. Like if I'm fighting with a conservative, like their audience can call me anything they want and it's not going to hurt me. Like, oh, like you're a cuck, you're a fag,

you're a socialist, whatever, dude, I don't. I don't care. But if I'm arguing with the leftist and people are saying like, you're racist, you're transphobic, you're homophobic, no, I'm not the fuck? It's not even remotely. Those insults piss me off way the fuck more because they're so wrong.

Like these people are using insults and the insults are more or less just like they're all standins for I really disagree with you and I don't like you because of that. And it's like, okay. And on the left it's kind of the same but we shouldn't disagree. Like we line up a ton. So yeah, I think there's this there's a concept that like the close you are to somebody like there are small differences that will make you hate each other a lot. And it does happen on the right. There are a lot of different like factions like the Daily Wire faction. Fuentes has like his America first. faction. You've got Turning Point USA and sometimes these groups like absolutely hate each other. They fight a lot too. But it's more front and center than the left because again they've got like the cultural power right now so you can see all of that like really you know front and center. Does Nick Fontes deserve to be banned

from social media? I think there's a second thing that you brought up I think that as long as you can platform somebody responsibly I think anybody should be allowed mostly anywhere without like threats or like calls to violence or anything. Right. But what was his original sin that got him the boot? Because I've been, I've

familiar with them from watching you talk to him in recent weeks. I'm not familiar with what he actually did back in the day that got him banned. I actually don't know what the thing is it pushed him over. I know his tweets probably, I think, if I can remember, I'm pretty sure some of them ventured off into actual just like homophobic insults and shit. Like I think he would say like crazy shit on Twitter. And then he's also been involved. He was like at Charlottesville.

He was in January 6th. I've been following Richard Spencer on Twitter for like seven years or some shit. And he's still on the platform. But I noticed that he's like very careful. with what he says. He never says anything that's like really outwardly racist. Yeah, nah, like with Nick is, I think people think

one, well, and he says it, right? You know, like, you know, and he's like a purest being like he just, you know, he wants like pure blood. You know, he's not really, you know, down for like the mixing of racist. So maybe that's it. But even, you know, but even that, though, I feel like there's more so of an ideology issue than, you know, you know,

you know, deep platforming, you know. Yeah, but you get banned for ideology issues these days. Right, because there are positions that you can hold that are basically like, you know, positions that, like, you would only be able to be capable of holding if you would, like, really intellectualize the stuff, like the people who are, you know, being running into really, like, like, Sam Harris is at Charles Murray on his podcast a bunch of times where they talk, like the race realist thing. Is this just like code for racism nowadays or like, how do you like, because like the Nick

Fuentes thing. It's weird, like watching you have a conversation with them because it's kind of like there's like a subtext to everything he's saying and you're trying to like kind of decode that for the audience. Sometimes, yeah. So race realism is this idea that there are distinct human races and there are big biological differences between said races. Right. If you're talking to somebody who believes in race realism, like on a show like this,

they'd probably say like, oh, well, it just means that like, you know, different people of like different cultures and, you know, like, yeah, you know, like Asian people look different than black people, whatever. but typically what it really means is there are very ingrained parts of our brains that are like genetically determined that are going to mean that like white

black people are always going to be pretty dumb compared to white people and they've got like genes for being warriors and that's why they're violent and Asian people have like the math gene and Jewish people have like what like people are that's typically what race skills do you buy into that like are there like IQ differences between races does this check out

so there's two answers to give this So the politically correct and mostly left answer is that like cultural differences can account for a lot of stuff. And that science is so complicated because even stuff that has a very, very, very high amount of genetic inheritance might have like a very low like heritability number. That's makes sense. So like for instance, like if you've got like five plants with the same exact genes and like some of them are growing really well and some of them aren't, like the only thing contributing to the difference in that. height even though it's a very genetically determined trait might be the fact that you're not feeding some of them they're not getting watered enough right so even though it's a really genetically determined trait the differences can be because of environmental causes when it comes to intelligence

I think we've identified like over 200 different genes related to intelligence the real answer is there might be some differences in some ways between groups of people but all of these you'd call them like like intelligence is a polygenetic trait there's a ton of different genes that play into it I don't think anybody's done enough research yet to be comfortable enough to be like, oh yeah, I can definitely say this whole group of people and these groups of people are different because of their genes or whatever. It's just way too complicated an issue. Interesting.

But what's your best guess, though? I really don't know, man. Man, come with that. You know, man. Come on with us. You know, man. I know that you want to say that. So I lean towards...

Why do you want to say that when you're in this alleged hierarchy? No, no, because he thinks that I'm thinking like, there's probably a difference. but I don't want to say it. So here's like my one thing that makes me think sometimes. Two things, okay? Fuck, I wish I remember names. Is it the Polger Sisters, I think?

Guy believes, I think that everybody in life can do anything. I don't believe in genes at all. Well, he believes in Jeddahs. I think anybody can be trained to do anything. And him and his wife have these two daughters. He's like, they're going to be fucking chess grandmasters. And he trains these two daughters up.

And I'm pretty sure the older sister is the only one that's ever been like competitive with male grandmasters. She was like in the top 100. Like the only woman chess playing the world. And the younger sister is also very, very, very, very good chess player. And it was just because the parents had that belief.

I was like, damn, that's pretty good. Now, maybe they got lucky and they had good genes. That's one thing that kind of makes me think. Second thing is, when you look at men and women, there's obviously difference between men and women. I believe there are differences between men and women. That's clear to see, right? Yeah.

So my background is music. If you look at rock bands, okay, how many good women guitar players are there? Comparatively few. Like, less than one percent. And really in all of, like, music in general, pretty much popular music, right? Almost, but you were almost true, but completely wrong.

But I'll explain. So this is so interesting. If you look at guitar plays and shit, yeah. Now, when I know, look at that, and I look at what I know about men and women, men tend to have faster response times, probably a little bit more athletic coordination, et cetera, et cetera. It makes sense that maybe a woman wouldn't be able to play guitar like a man could because she just doesn't have the, you know, women versus men.

But if you walk over into like the classical world, well now, when I look at who all of these amazing violin players are, piano players, some of these women are fucking unbelievably quick. Amazing. And then I look at that and I'm like, okay, that's a crazy divide in gender to where there's like good rock female guitar players. There's like two. I probably don't know.

There's probably more than that, but it's very, very, very rare. When I some of the classical world, we can Google right now like amazing woman pianist who's like, or like a violin player who's like amazing. And that difference is 100% social. There's no reason why a woman that can play piano as well as some of these women do or violin as well as something. He couldn't pick up a play guitar better than 99% of men. But they don't because of the socialization. So when you ask

me about like, you know, like the, you know, how much is genetics between like black and white people or between like men and women? I truly don't know the answer because the socialization part is such a huge fucking deal that is really, really hard for me to say. But then like the next part of that puzzle is like, okay, so should, no, but should we go out of our way as a society to like

rearrange everything and like change incentives so that we can have more female guitar players, which is kind of like how a lot of people clearly feel about this. I think that here's what I think should happen. Okay, I view it the same way that I view school. Okay, if you got a really smart kid who wants to go to school, money should never, ever, ever be a factor.

They should be able to do what they want. I think that we need to like take the restrictions societally and culturally off things. So like if a woman wants to play guitar or nother in a rock man, she should be able to do that. I don't think we have to like force it. I don't think we need to be like, we need 45% of all guitar players need to be women now. That's a little cringe and it gets really dumb. But if people want to, there shouldn't be like the cultural friction there

where it's like, you're not allowed to do that. You're a woman pick up a violin or something. Because like, okay, bringing it back to poker, playing poker for all these years, like the average poker tournament would be like 5% women. And throughout the years, like Daniel McGrath,

famously, like, has said that he's seen all kinds of initiatives to bring more women into poker. He's seen all kinds of advertisements and promotions that were meant to entice women, and that numbers stay basically exactly the same. And it really shouldn't surprise anybody that men tend to be the best

in this, like, weird, you know, strategy game that requires intense focus and like it's just the kind of thing that like women don't tend to seem to gravitate towards and there's probably all kinds of other reasons why and everything but at the end of the day like you know women are going to make their own choices

and to like really truly try to you know just create a new incentive structure so that they would be attracted to things just so that we can feel better about things being more diverse it just seems insane right possibly yeah I think a lot of it happens early in life and by the time you're hitting somebody it's like 18 to 20 incentive structures aren't going to do much. I don't remember who apologize.

Really interesting study that tracked women's progress over, it was like four fields. It was like medical. It was like legal. It was computer science. And then it was one other like STEM related field. And something that was so intensely interesting. Because when you watch all of these fields,

women were like 10% of lawyers, 10% of doctors. And all of these things have climbed so much. And they continue to climb to where women are hitting like parity. Or in some fields, better than men, where they're climbing, except for computer science. And around the 80s and 90s, women just started to fall off a cliff in terms of attainment in computer science. But all the other ones went up. And it was kind of hard to figure out because, like, you go back to like the 60s, you're like the NASA program, like some of the mathematicians of people doing some of the

programming. Like, I think initially computer program was in a way seen as like a woman's job to some extent. There were a lot of women that were working on these programs. And you've got like these big contributors for a lot of these early things. And one of the things that people looked at was it was interesting that video games coming out started to reduce women's participation in computer science programs in college. And the reason why was because when you were going into college and you wanted to do like computer science, well, if you entered classroom as a woman, you're sitting next to a bunch of men who have had video games marketed to them for 15 years. They're coming in on a totally different level than you. These guys started it with 386s,

with these early computers that they were taken apart, putting it back together. The playing field is not the same. And video games are marketed towards men early on. So you could see even around like four, five, six, you're starting to shape people's minds into doing certain things. And by the time you're 18, a lot of these women will go to class for like one quarter and then they drop it. Because they're like, I'm so fucking far behind here. No amount of affirmative action or whatever is going to catch them up. So I think that like a lot of these issues are cultural. It's not going to be something that like we need more women chess players or we need more women programmers or whatever. Now that they're 22 years old, let's make this award. Like that's some shit that has been really early in child rearing, I think. At one point, because I'm from New Hampshire, at one point I saw in a initiative online to convince black people to move to New Hampshire. It just like really struck me as just not likely to work because what the fuck would a black person want to move to New Hampshire for? Like maybe if you advertise like, hey, we have cheap rents or, you know, there's there's a bunch of jobs here. Maybe those would be compelling, but I don't really, and I don't really see what the benefit is in the long run. Like just to what make a bunch of white people feel like, hey, I've a couple black neighbors. Well, probably not. Probably move here just not next to me.

They probably wouldn't have a great experience for my record. Yeah, like there was a fucking gun store near where I grew up that had like a racist Obama cartoon on the outside of it by the time I was like 18 or 19 or whatever. Wait, like what made the cartoon racist? It was like a monkey thing. Okay, yeah, that's pretty racist. Yeah. Yo, here, so, okay, so what's your issue with the Red Pill community? Well, first of all, I'm going to say this, right?

And here's why I have to give you credit. So for decades coming up, well, not decades, but for years coming up, right? even like starting from like the whole like the whole Milo trend and then there was like a new wave of people going to you know to like college campuses and dating these you know liberals right even like formal you know debates as well there like there was always this trend of like the quote unquote

base and the right dominating these debates and like dominating these liberal you know folks right and now when I see you come up now again you know just like as a lately where you kind of did this think of now I don't know if this was like strategic but you've kind of had these interactions with like these like, you know, new like Red Pill glory boys who are coming up or who are like the poster boys of the Red Pill

and you've pretty much dominated them in debates. Now was that strategic or, you know, one, how did you even go about getting that interaction with Sneco and then doing what you did to Sneco? Damn, I'm pretty sure I reacted to something Sneco did and he reached out to me. I got lucky there. And then as I interact with more people, more people seeing it just kind of like springs out from there. But I would say probably Sneaker reaching out to me and then having a discussion

with me was probably like a big launching point for a lot of it for sure. Yeah. Now what's your general issue with the Red Pill community? So the issue that I have is that so people on the left don't listen to complaints from people at all that are like white male. Like you just, they don't give a fuck about anything you ever say.

Preach. Yeah. But the Red Pill community will listen and they will listen to you and they'll make some true like observations. But then the things that they tell you to do are or the way that they say why people do these things is just fucking wild. And I think that's kind of the issue I have is that like they'll say some things that are pretty true. But then they just like go off into this like crazy world.

It's like can you just like bring it back a little bit? Or like let's be like a little bit more chill here or something. That's generally the problem without getting too much into specifics. Yeah. Yeah. Well can you like like give like a actual specific right? Because again, I definitely agree right? Like again right now like replica community to me isn't even.

the replicry anymore, right? Because there was a point where it was all about male empowerment, right? It was about getting fit, getting rich, you know, you know, just, you know, just like developing yourself. And then it transitioned into, you know, how to get women. And then it now transitioned into why women ain't shit. Yeah. So, like, what are some, like, specific talking points that, like, you can just recall that

you've had issues with? The differences in sometimes acting. like men and women are way more different than they actually are. Like the, I don't know what, I've heard things about your relationship, so I don't know where you stand, so you might catch some strays here. For the record, me and my girl on a committed relationship and then we do porn together with other girls. Okay, gotcha. All right. She doesn't slept with any guys.

Okay, gotcha. I think that the justification's given, are you allowed to see with girls on your own? No. Okay. Okay. I think that the justification is given for the one-ended, the one-sided open relationships are really cringe. that like women don't care if the guy sleeps around with other girls but like the guy should care if the women sleeps around other guys

and that whole line of argumentation is ultra cringe to me the um that's one the way that people talk about like dating up and dating down is kind of weird so you'll often hear this like well men will date up or down but women will only date up and it's like well it's kind of a one-sided way to analyze things because when you say date up or down you're always talking from the male perspective so here's an example they'll say say like somebody like Leonardo DiCaprio is always dating down when he's hitting these like 24 23 year old women or whatever it's like well no he's not you because by your own ideology Leonardo DiCaprio has a really high value because he's a man these women might be not as socioeconomically successful but that's not why you say we should value women you say we should value women for their youthfulness and their appearance on that case he's doing exactly he's not dating down he's dating even right like a super beautiful woman that's like a fucking nine out of ten ten out of ten women her dating somebody that makes the same amount of money of is her. That's not dating even, right? She would be looking for a guy that's probably making more money

because that's like the equal spot that they're at, you know? Yeah, of course. A lot of this, a lot of the stuff that I hear said in the Red Pill community, and I say this as a dude who's 38, and before I got into the porn thing, I probably fucked like, I don't know, like three or 400 girls. Like, I was always like pretty solid, I would say, at doing this sort of thing. Definitely seasoned. And like, I remember, okay, there was an anecdote that I was recalling about how when I moved to Long Beach that there was like a series of bars on this one street and that was basically like the nexus of my whole fucking life for that time period

just going there and getting drunk and hanging out with the same fucking people, whatever. And I was kind of saying how like one day I walked into the bar and there's like three or four different groups of girls and I had fucked one of the girls from each group of girls and that that basically had made me like relatively undesirable to

like every other girl in those groups including the ones who were more attracted than the girls I had slept with. And I realized like probably a better strategy for me as a guy living in this new town would have been to be a lot more selective with who I slept with and maybe like make a reasonable decision

once you kind of have a real lay of the land instead of just going for the easiest opportunity and Flacco's reaction was like what? Like you're a high value male those bitches don't care if you fuck their friends and I'm like okay Flaco I'm like in the real world a girl could very easily be turned off

by the fact that you had slept with a lot of girls especially their friends like this is a that's a thing in high school and that's a thing in the real world too. But that kind of like stood out to me that like that seems like you're kind of expressing the worldview that Fresh and Fit are putting out there, which again is about Miami Party Chicks. It was a very specific demographic. In Long Beach, these are like normal chicks. They want a fucking boyfriend. Like yeah, maybe they'll fuck some famous guys sometime.

But for the most part, they want a fucking boyfriend. They're kind of grading you on that criteria, right? I'll say, man. So when we left LA, I lived in this area for like three years. I lived in Glendale for a year. I lived in Culver City for a year. I lived down in Huntington Beach for a year. I've kind of like been around this area.

I got a lot of friends here. And especially being in like, I don't know if you fucking call it an influencer community. I see kind of like the cloudy network of games. It's kind of weird, kind of cringe or whatever. And I figured like leaving here, this was like probably the worst I would see in terms of people. And oh my God, dude.

Miami people, me and Molina, my wife, we got into like South Beach a lot. These people are from like another fucking world. Right. It is unbelievable. And you know what? I even said it afterwards. God bless every person that was on that show.

I love and respect all human beings. But after seeing the rotation of people, rotation of girls that make their way through the Fresh and Fit podcast, I totally understand your point of view. I don't even know if I can tell you you're wrong right now. Holy shit. Yeah, that's some wild shit.

But I will say for people that watch shows like that. And I know they'll say that, like, well, we bring in a lot of different girls, international girls. You bring in different girls, but there are people that are going to Miami. Right. And it is a particular type of person that is.

And I fucked like not as many people as you. probably around 100 girls maybe so more than some people think less than other people think the Miami people are different that's a different species of any woman I've seen anywhere in the world right and I mean in particular because

what the fuck is there to do in Miami besides party and like hang out on the beach and shit go to clubs it's like in LA at least there's like real industry here there's like the whole entertainment world and all these other things you know it's kind of like I feel like in like when I'm in New York it's so much more of like a real

place where just human beings have to actually have been adapted to their circumstances. And you just can't be, like, frail and living in New York and, like, sweating your ass off, walking between the subway or whatever, you know, whereas in California, it's super easy to live this, like, sheltered lifestyle. You see, though, again, this is where I kind of disagree. Now, I believe, right, you know, that most women, you know, or a large percentage of women, again, probably wouldn't care if a guy has fucked, you know, a thousand women, right?

And here's why, because I believe that women, you know, a large percentage of women, you know, like day for hypergmy, right, which is more so like, you know, and they're looking for a guy with status. They're looking for a guy with wealth who can take care of them. Again, a large percentage, not all women, but a large percentage, right? And, you know, so women are looking for those qualities in men. Men are just simply looking for an ejaculation box does not warn out. You feel me? No, not at all. I think this hypergamy thing is like fucking rotted people's minds. I don't believe in this shit at all. I think that in general, men can get away with having a higher body count than women. Women seem to care about it a bit less than men. But if you tell a woman that I fucked like 300 people or whatever, there's a lot of women that will like look at that as like being pretty weird.

And your status has to be pretty high to make them overlook that. Because I'm sure, okay, if you're machine gun Kelly, just to throw him in here, you probably fuck 300 girls or some shit. right? And like if a girl likes him, like Megan Fox isn't turned off by that, right? I mean, his status outweighs the fact that he's got a ridiculous number of sex partners under his belt. That's true, but that'll work both ways too. And anybody that says otherwise is fucking lying. If Megan Fox would go up to a dude and he's like a normal fucking guy and she's like, just so you know, I've had 500 dicks in me. That guy's like, okay, well, here comes 501 because nothing is stopping me from fucking, yeah.

And everybody that says otherwise is massively fucking coping. Like, yeah. There's a lot of these super beautiful, like, 20 to 25-year-old girls that these guys wouldn't care how many dicks have been in it. If they had the chance to do it, they would be in the one in a closer relationships. They would fuck it. You can fuck other people as long as you see me every Friday. But you know how those situations play out? Because in the porn world, I've seen it a million times where a dude, like a reasonably, you know, statused dude, like not a huge celebrity, but a guy who's like doing his thing or whatever, he'll meet a porn star. And he likes her because she's hot.

She's sexually fun. She's got money, whatever. She's got followers, whatever, and guys like it, and they like it for like two weeks. And then at some point, they just, like, realized that she was getting railed by two dudes that day. And it just starts to, like, hurt their fucking brain to deal with it. And I've seen it happen so many times. It's like a very specific type of dude who's able to know that their girl's doing that and be able to ride it out. And when I say that, like, yeah, of course, like, for me, the body count thing is fucking nothing.

This is like an insane conversation that I don't even, I can't believe that the red pill. world put so much thought into it because for my because I would way rather date a girl that fuck 200 dudes than a girl to fuck two dudes It's not even close absolutely Yeah Because from like just two dudes again right

Yeah I'm very experienced and you're not Okay hold on just real quick on that Okay And my audience hates one of this conversation Okay but like sex is really fun Good sex is really fun The craziest thing I'd ever seen in my entire life When I was on this fucking podcast

If we were to do a conversation What makes for like good sex or bad? I can do a three-hour show on this. It's a really fun topic. Really interesting, really entertaining. I only got a lot to say. These girls went around and it was on the fresh of its show and I think somebody posed a question like what makes what's interesting good pussy and bad pussy or whatever? And they went on the whole table and nobody had a single fucking thing to say about it. And sometimes when I look at these people that are in the really big status games, I don't know if it's true in your world, but it is true in my world. Something that blew my mind is I see these insanely beautiful Instagram girls, insanely beautiful streamers and I'm thinking like man

you guys must be like fucking every day it's got to be wild or whatever one these people are fucking way less than a lot of people think they are and two a lot of them just don't even seem like they like sex that much guys and girls where the important thing is just like I just want to fuck and say that I did it and I want the experience of fucking

and it's like man I'd really just masturbate at this point like why waste your time but I know that some people have like really different points of view on that way are very removed from the actual act of sex and especially just the fact like even as I get older, like, honestly, like, there's like a level of sex I have with my girl that I've been with for six years that is just like a different level of connection than probably anything that I had during my 20s because I feel so close to her and we've had enough time to really like get that comfortable with each other. And granted, like, there might be a girl on earth that I could have that close of a connection with the first time.

We sleep together or whatever. It's kind of all over the place. But I mean, yeah, like a lot of, and I see that very much of myself where I was concerned with fucking a lot of people when I was younger rather than being with somebody for a year and something. sleeping with them 300 times and like really figuring out your chemistry, you know? Yeah. Nah, I feel like the men who I guess truly care about the body count would be like the providers, right? Men who are taking care of the majority of the bills, you know, you know, who is making this

woman a legit housewife who's going to be taking care of the kids, who are down the household. Because again, if I'm a man who is being the provider, taking care of everything, that would mean that I'm putting in a relatively big investment into this woman. and I just don't want to know that she's been, you know, used and abused by 200 men in the past and those men put in very little, you know, to no investment, to fuck her. I just don't see what they're past.

I feel like you're overvaluing someone's past. So like, yeah, this is a thing that I'm thinking about. When I'm thinking about putting in investments and like who's, like, I don't marry a girl or date a girl just a fucker. Like that's like, that's cool and that's fun and I enjoy that. But like, anybody can fuck anybody. But like, when it comes to like putting investments in people, like what I'm looking to get out of you,

and this is something that I've never heard red people people talk about as much. Andrew Tate talks about it sometimes, but I haven't seen it as much. Like, I want like a life partner that I can walk through life with, that I can share experience with, that I have fun with,

and I can connect with in a way that I can't connect with a chick that I can just fuck really well. Like, that's the kind of connection I'm looking for it. So why would I care if this person is fucked 500 or 5,000 guys and why would that matter

at that particular point in time where it's like, now you're making the decision to be with me, now we're together and now we're like on this life journey and like we're dating

each other. That would be like if I found out that that would be like me carrying the destiny used to work at McDonald's. Like, okay, you're a streamer now, you have money now, but you used to work for five bucks an hour. It's like, I really honestly don't care. I can see

when people have, when a girl has fucked a lot of people, or even just some people, in your social circle, I could see how there's awkwardness associated with that, for sure. Like, if you had a girl that you really liked and she, you know, used to fuck a couple of your best friends. Like, yeah, that could be

really awkward socially. It might be something you have to get past. But when I look back at like myself, even in high school, I remember feeling really jealous when I would be like dating a girl and I knew that she had slept with somebody else that I knew or whatever. I remember feeling really intensely jealous about that. And even at like 17 years old, realizing that like this is something I'm going to have to unlearn because this issue that I think I'm having right now is only going to compound like over and over and over like by the time you're 30, good fucking luck meeting a girl who's got like a single digit body count like why would she unless she was like

bed in relationships for really long periods of time or whatever huh so you're saying that you know that is abnormal or like you raise like an eyebrow if a girl who's let's say 28 years old tells you yo I only slept with six people in my life well it wouldn't raise an eyebrow if they had only slept with six people

but if you meet a girl and she's 30 and she's slept with like one guy every six months for her whole life or since she was 15 let's say and that's like 30 people it's like that would be a lot from your perspective, right? To me, that's actually, like, really, really conservative number if she hadn't been in a relationship or something, you know. It's crazy, right?

Because even now, like, I've been desensitized even working here and seeing, like, the girls who are coming here and telling me they got, like, 300 body counts. So 30 even sounds, like, relatively, like, low number. But, like, even if you think about it, 30 is kind of a lot, man. But, see, that, I think you can only think that because you're young. And then I think that the red pill stuff just kind of like allows you to confirm that they're like a real grown men who feel the same way. Because I don't think like you could really like I just I just said that's like a dude every six months for 15 years would be 30 dudes. I don't think that's a fucking low number. Getting fucked every six months.

A new sex part every six months? That sounds so Spartan. Especially you got to keep mind if it's a girl. Right. You have to, that's a low number. She's not even trying to fuck people. You're turning down dudes every day all day. Bro, girl could be doing like fucking mornings and nightly fucks

with a different dude in any college town for 10 years and not go through half the fucking matches that she gets in like one week on 10. And this is the thing, too, is that like girls are fucking smart. Like girls cheat less than men, but girls get caught. Or girls get caught way less than men. I'm out of fuck that out. They cheat more. They cheat more, but they get caught less because girls are fucking smart at hiding their business

because they know that if they've slept with a bunch of guys that it could lower their rank, social. or whatever. So girls tend to be very, very smart about that. And so any, I would encourage girls out there to fucking lie about their body care just because it's something that so much attention is like put into at this point, right? So I don't know. I just think it's like, it's just kind of a bizarre thing to fixate on. So I never bring this up on shows. It's very rare. And I'm going to turn a lot of people off my sang list. I understand that. And I don't mean to sound aggressive or tacky with it, but it feels to me sometimes, like when I hear the obsession over body counts, sometimes it feels a little bit

like an insecurity thing where the guy feels like he can't stack up with the other men that she's been with. I agree. And it's interesting too. So taking what you said, you talk about like, well, high value men are the one that care about this. I feel like the higher value of gotten, the less I care about it. Because if I'm with a woman, one, I know she likes me and two, I know that we're having

a really good time. And it's going to be one of the best times that she's had. I don't know who she's been with or who she's going to be with. Like, I know that's the case. And if it's not, she can fuck off and I'm finding another woman. That's easy, like 100%. I feel like as I've gotten more and more value through life, whether it's through cloud or money or whatever or status or whatever, like, this is a thing that's bothered me less and less

because why the fuck would it? Like, yeah, you've been with like 20, 30, 100 guys before me, but like there's only one me and I know I'm a pretty individual, unique kind of dude. So hearing that higher value men are more concerned with finding versions and stuff, I feel like that it feels to me, and I could be wrong. I meant maybe different people with different feelings, but that feels like something that comes from a place of insecurity. I'm not saying that everybody needs to do like open relationships or polymers,

or all that shit or whatever. But when you're, like, looking at your woman who's decided to be with you and is sharing her life with you, and you're like, all I can ever see are the nine dicks that I think you've sucked before. It's like, who care? Why do you care?

Hair, right? So, you know, it's definitely hard to, like, walk the line without getting into, like, the things that got Andrew Tate Band, right? But when you speak about, you know, not, again, like, not property, right? Not property. But when you think about taking care of somebody,

putting your investment into them, right? Yeah, but you weren't taking care of when they were sucking dicks. No, but, no, but, right? It just comes from a feeling of not wanting to feel like a sucker, meaning like, yo, like, I'm out here taking this whore, putting her in his white dress, walking her down this altar, right, telling God and my family, this is my queen, while, while, like, she then took, like, 300 facials, you feel me? Which is kind of like, you know, that's kind of, you know,

like most men wouldn't feel okay with that. Let's say, okay, let's say that I do grant you that, and I will, but only under one condition, the guy's got to be treated the same. same. Like, how can a girl be like, I'm kissing you at the altar, and I know your tongue has been in like 50 different women's assholes? Like, how is the girl supposed to be any more okay with that? The guy is with her taking 300 facials. And here's why, right? Because again, I'm talking about like traditional men and right again. What about that? None of this is a traditional. We're not talking. Guy fucking, hold on, wait,

wait, I'm going into that real hardcore because I grew up Catholic and all that shit, okay? Men going around and fucking 400 women, that is not traditional. That's some hedonistic, crazy bullshit. Yeah, we came up with that. That's modern shit, right? Modern crazy heatness of a woman. But if I do Grinch to the World, we're like, okay, I don't want a woman to spend with that many fucking dudes. Sure.

Why would you think the woman want to be the guy to spend with that many girls spending that many different women? Right. And like here's why I brought up traditional, right? Because I'm referring to this, because there's definitely gender roles, right? Meaning if her goal

is to be a housewife and date a guy, right? Then she's looking for a guy who's ambitious, who got wealth, et cetera, et cetera. And he's looking for somebody who could be, a wife, nurturing, feminine,

who can instill different principles into their daughter to be wholesome. A woman like that, he's looking for different things in that woman, right? He's looking for somebody, again. I don't think a female with 300 bodies, you know, could be wholesome, intact box, right? Could be...

How could you not be wholesome? 300 bodies? Let's say, let's be more reasonable. Let's say 25, and we'll say, like, 40 bodies. 25, 40 bodies. You don't think this person can be like a wholesome, cute, bubbly, teach their kids a good value person, like she's just, like what part of having sex with guys or dating, casual dating or whatever, or having like one-night stands, like, now

she can't be wholesome anymore? She's like an animal. Right. I know famous porn stars who have, you know, got fucked by eight giant dudes on camera at the same time, and they now are in a committed relationship, and they just have a kid, and they're just like the most normal good parents you ever seen. I mean, it's not really... You know, you have to understand, too, that, like, porn is acting, and that, well, I

I guess you're not just talking about porn you're talking about real life as well but I'm always thinking porn Now listen to my so like it's past that too Because I think like again like all men require It's to have a you know A low mileage You know

What does that even mean? Ejaculation right A low mileage ejaculation box for me You feel me? Right? Ejaculation box That's what you want your wife to be? That's all she is to you

That's fucking crazy Well again that's like parts of it right A low mileage ejaculation box Meaning you know you come as a premium sexual tool. But it doesn't change. Her body doesn't change. If she's had 40 bodies or two. I could say that. I have had sex with porn stars who have had sex with

hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dudes perhaps. And it's like, and including the biggest dicks in the entire world and some of the chicks who are the most used up, you would say, have totally tight vagina. It's very genetic. I'll even do you. It's very genetic. I'll even do you one

better in that. This is kind of weird. Not to be scared. I had sex with my kids' mom, like weeks after delivering. And it's like basically the same shit. Really? My girl out of C-section, so I never got to find out what that was hitting. Yeah, I was, because I was like, I wonder if it's gonna be like way different. It was like, no, it wasn't. Like a couple weeks later, it was like, damn. Or it might have been like a month or two later, but yeah. So like the idea that like they've, fuck. And there's a whole bunch of dumb shit where some people will think that like if she's fucked 500 guys, her pussy's going to be five hundred times. It's gonna be just as tight. Like, does the pussy know every dick that's been inside it? Right. Sorry, we're getting up any. No, no, no, no, no, listen, right now. I'm just getting ready because I'm gonna get gang banged on fresh and fit tomorrow on that shit. I'm just. I'm just getting ready because I'm gonna get gang banged on fresh and fit tomorrow on that shit having my moment right now. Well, he is their operatives, so this is totally fine. No, not right, again, man, you know, so even like, I'm past that, right? Even if you like, for example, I think the Institute of, like, family studies, right, like, did the studies like where, like, it shows, like, the divorce rate for, like, women with, like, you know, like, five

or ten, you know, like, you know, like, I know exactly you're talking about, because I just had a debate on this study last night. Yeah, right, like, so. That's a really interesting study, right? So it shows lowest divorce rate is zero partners, then one partner, then two partner, but then something crazy happens and nobody that decides to study talks about if you've had two sexual partners your divorce rate at that point

is going to be higher than people all the way up to 10 partners so once you fuck two people you might as well fuck eight more and it's not until you get 10 plus partners that it starts to go up more but if you read that IFS study

the Institute of Family Study if you actually read it the author talks about why that 01 and 2 number seems so insane and it's not just because once they've fucked people they're like

you know they fucked the intimacy see a monogamy out of their brain and they can't handle it anymore. Sometimes you get really, no, not fucking parabiding. Sometimes you get lucky and you meet the one really early in life and you get, you meet that person sometimes in high school, very rare, or college, very rare. You mean it's like, oh shit, and you're together forever. And then you've got religious people that get married once and done and they don't ever

want to like, even if they're in a fucking abusive relationship. And I've known people like this. They won't fucking leave. So yeah, the one and two number might be, or the zero one and two might be like really, really low for divorce rates. But it has a lot to do with that. Sometimes you just find the person. It's like, yeah, of course.

the first second person you meet, you end up dating them for a long time, and that's like the one, and you, you know, you ride or die with that person. So, of course, it's really going to be lower. But the fact, the biggest challenge I'd always have to that study is people always cited to make it sound like the more people you fuck, the harder it is for you to, um, not get divorced, right? The higher the sex rates, the higher the divorce rates. But they can never explain why does that trend reversed from two down to, I think it's from two to four to five and then it goes a little bit up from four to five to six to nine. And then it's not until you get to 10 plus that it actually goes over the, two again and I've never had a good explanation for that. You don't even have like a hypothesis for that? Well, but I think that what the studies, what the author says when he, because if you read that thing, I think it's what he says is what makes the most sense. If you get really like you meet the one and it's like zero one or two, like it's just like a statistical anomaly. Like you're just like, yeah, those people are less likely to get divorced. Right. You know, the biggest thing for me too is like when I look back at myself when I had two sexual partners or 10 or 20, it's like I just had so much less information, so much less knowledge of what kind of person I would want to end up with,

you know, versus now, I feel like, if anything, I know way too much. It's just like been around so many fucking girls that I just like, I know too much about them. And that's, that's allowed me to make better decisions where I was like a girl who, see, this is the thing. If you're a dude who's young or like, okay, let's say you're, you're a dude, even if you're 25 and you find a girl who's 19 and she's beautiful and she's unbe-smart. She's a virgin. She seems amazing. you and you think this is the perfect girl the wife up it might seem like that i don't think it's a good idea because she doesn't she hasn't lived yet she hasn't fucking done anything she's got plenty of wild oats to sew you know like she's going to want to live and to have experiences and she's not

like whereas with my girl it's like you know she she sees her friends like going on trips to fucking france with YouTubers and rappers and shit like that and she's not tempted by that because she's been around that kind of shit and she knows what it's like you know you want a girl with some experience. Well, but I think it's the opposite, right? Because I think, like, as, like, promiscuity has increased, like, over, like, the decades, I feel like marriage rates have gone down, right? Yeah, they have it for a lot of different reasons, I think.

Marriage stuff is tied really big into economic shit. Like, the longer it takes are people to move out, it can be harder for them to get married because they're not dating, they're not taking stuff more seriously, and then they want to have kids because they're not, like, in a good financial state. And then also, as women have gotten more empowered, they've, like, pursued careers, and they put off, like, serious relationships and everything, too, because it's hard to throw your whole life at 22 when you're just raising a family.

Sometimes you want to only do shit too. But yeah, damn, it's where I, yeah, I agree with everything you're saying. I'm talking to so many, like, right people are. Cuck gang. Because like the- Cuck gang, no, he's not a cuck. I dated my wife when she was really young.

I was 30 and she was like 20 when we started dating. Right. And almost every woman I've been with relationship-wise have been about my age. And it's scary because for people that are like under 25, like these people are still growing and changing. Right. And you don't know if at 20 they're going to want the same shit at 23 or 24 or 25.

You have no fucking idea. But if you date somebody who's like 26, 27, 28, they've already got hopefully like two, maybe three serious relationships under their belt. Both of you know way more like what you're looking for, you know. Yeah. If you're talking to like a 19, 20 girl and all of my fights with me and my wife always revolve around like age-related shit because she just, you know, it doesn't whatever. But if you're dating somebody like this, you know, you're talking to a 22 or girl. two-year-olds like, oh, what are you looking for in a relationship? She has no fucking idea. She hasn't even lived with a guy yet.

Right. You have no idea if you're going to go along with this person. And yeah, I don't know. Those types of things are scary to me. Like, older people just know more because they've been through more relationships. They've been through more ups and downs and shit. Right. And that's why. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Well, it's hard for me to even imagine dating somebody who's like really young. Yeah. Because it's just like my level of enthusiasm is so much lower for like new things. You know, like when you're young, it's just like, I want, like, I've kind of been to like,

damn near every country that I would realistically probably want to go to in my life. And that just feels a lot different than how it felt when I was like 19 and I was like, I want to go to every country. I can't wait to see what France is like. Now like my girl the other day was like, I'm going to France. I'm like I've been to France. I'm going to France like, I've been to France like three times.

She's like, oh, like, you know, it's just like it's not as big a deal to me. Like when everything was new when I was younger, it's kind of life feels a lot different. You know, I've seen people kind of like kill you for that, right? Because like, I think like there was a clip of you saying, you know, like, like, what could, like, a 28-year-old possibly, possibly, like, relate to with, like, a 20-year-old?

And then, like, you started dating, like, you know, this, like, younger girl, which I don't know exactly, you know, what her age was. But then people were saying, you know, Death is a hypocrite. So what's your response to that? Yeah, so I can't talk about any part of my relationship because everybody thinks that why about everything. Or no, I'll share everything, but everything is lying about everything. The biggest conflict in my relationship, I love her so much.

I love you, Molina. The biggest conflict in my relationship with my wife is her age. it's not like I didn't date her because she was young I dated her in spite of that and it is the number one roadblock like when we fight when the big like the worst insults that come out

between the two of us like some I guess some guys call her girls fat or say there slutterer the worst thing that I can say to her to trigger her and I don't say it's anymore but I used to it was like you're too young you don't understand and that's the type of shit that we would fight over um when in terms of us being open like the women that we have like the most problems with sometimes

usually when I'm seeing older women because she's starting to feel like shit is he gonna wait like you look into this older woman like you know she's got more than me whatever um so yeah i don't know people people viewed as like oh he got with malini he just wanted the young woman he was like a hypocrite the whole time he was like no i really love malina she was like when i met her she had a very atypical story like she'd already been traveling around the world for two years she lived in new zealand she saved it money or whatever so she was like pretty far ahead of where like a 20 or like college student would be when it came to life experiences although still really young but um yeah

i'm definitely with her despite her being young it's not a pro it's a massive con and it's been one of the biggest, like, challenges for us to get through in our relationship. Because there's, like, it's hard when you see somebody that's, like, 20, 21, 22, going through shit. And you're like, I don't care. I figured this shit out, like, 10 years ago, bro. She's like, I don't know how I should treat friends and blah, blah, blah. It's like, all right, well, let me know when you figured out.

Because, like, I figured that shit out when I was, like, 25. But being in a relationship with you must be, like, fucking intellectual boot camp day by day, I would think. No, I mean, I'm not like. You're not engaging in these type of conversations you have on stream day to day with her? I mean, like, we're not, we're not debating. I'm like, hey, like, what do you think about, like, the Supreme Court decision? Did you read the brief by Alito?

No, what happens. But she's, like, a really smart person just, but she's, like, more, like, socially oriented than we're not, like, debating politics or whatever. The hard part about dating me is all the public social shit. Because that, it's got to be the same for you. But that's hard for you, like, just having these hate mobs and stuff that'll kind of, because you're... It's not for me. You're tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've been there, like, especially when I've said, like, fatphobic shit online. Oh, my God. The girls come out. No, I do not. But I laughed at that fucking, what was it, like a Cosmo cover or something with a test holiday, I think, on the cover. And I did the stupidest thing. I posted the cover and I just put a bunch of laughing emojis, which really allowed everybody to read their own meaning into the tweet. And my girl pretty quickly had like thousands of DMs basically telling her to leave me.

So I think that, if anything, is a testament to the resiliency of our relationship. Listen, question for you, right? So, well, first of all, I applaud like your openness. Like you've been super open with relationship. You know, I've been seen Jesse Lee Peterson trying to like shame you, you know, does bullshit, right? Now there's another, I guess, L.A. couple.

What I ever remember L.A. couple, but Bobby Lee and Kaliland, right? Okay. Now, their situation is similar to yours, but theirs played out publicly where he was, where, like, he started off being against the open relationship. And then she kind of, I guess,

convinced them to get into the open relationship, right? So now they're getting so much backlash. So, like, what would your... advice be to I guess them you know in terms of dealing with the right because now people really hate her because they feel like she coerced them into that well they're not together anymore for the record oh yeah my advice i don't know if they need advice for like 99% of people is don't do open relationships why not because it's a lot to deal with um fuck you mentioned something about i don't remember what it was earlier i was going to say this but i'll make this comment now uh fault that we have as humans is when we evaluate anything it can be a new job new relationship new place we're going to go we always evaluated it and in our best state of mind when we're the happiest. And we think, like, yeah, I can do that. Yeah, this sounds fun.

But we don't know is how are you going to react when you're not your happiest? And open relationships can feel like that, I think, to a lot of people. Like, oh, my God, I can be up fucking people and, you know, my significant values, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. But how are you going to feel in that day where you feel like a little bit pissed off? Is that stuff going to come, like, bubbling up where you guys are going to be attacking each other over shit that you do? My thing about it is the practicality of, like, this scenario. Like, I know people in open relationships, and I've had conversations. and I've had conversations with him

and I've had girls tell me like, yeah, I met a guy at fucking happy hour after work and I like FaceTime my husband and just hold him like, yo, I'm not coming home tonight. We're not watching Game of Thrones. I'm going to like go fuck this dude. And the dude was cool with it. And I'm like, that's amazing.

Like there is probably, I think maybe like 2% of the population that would be like down for that kind of thing. Because if I did that to my girl, like, listen, like even if we were like open and she was okay with the idea of me like just fucking other girls or whatever, It's the time commitment that I don't understand how people make it work. Like the idea that my girl is like, oh, she just put the kid to bed and Adam's off fucking two chicks in a hotel room instead of like being here and being part of the family. Like at a certain point, I just don't know how that really works out.

Yeah, so mine is open. I wouldn't be able to do that. I would get crucified. The way that we usually do is we like plan things together. So if she's got like, because we do like a lot of vacations or I'm coming out to L.A. do this. Like we travel a lot. So like I might be like, hey, like in two weeks I'm going to be in, you know, New York or D.C. I'm going to do whatever.

Like, you know, I'm probably going to hook up with a girl there while I'm there for like two or three days. Out of town cheating, definitely. Yeah, and so she'll find somebody to hang out with while I'm hanging out with. And that's typically, it's not going to be like, I'm at home when she calls. He's like, I'm not going to be home. And it's like, okay, well, fuck you. Right. Yeah, it's not going to be like that.

Out of town makes sense to me that could work, yeah. Yeah. Question for you, man. So when did you realize, I guess, like this, like, you know, penis thing was good? Like, you know, like, when did you realize you were attracted? again, man, I'm trying to find the best way to ask you. He's so fascinated by it.

When did you realize, yo, this dick shit kind of hide, man. Jeez, man. You're really setting me up to get absolute failure of my freshman fit thing. Yeah, I just wanted to try when it was 30. I was like, fuck it. Let's try some dick suck and see how it goes. And then, yeah, I've only like 30 when I was 30 years old.

Wow, that's kind of late though. Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck it. Why not? Sure. Hey, man. Here, so before 30, like, you never had any type of, like, inkling. like yo like that's a fine ass motherfucker you know I'm like here's the thing okay I'm like it's very weird I'm very very very straight or like very heteromantic right even if I've like hooked up a guy is like the thought of like kissing a guy is disgusting to me oh well or I would never like cuddle with a dude or anything like that it's just not my thing but like yeah

you know but the penetration was cool no no I never do any of that either I'm just not a big um I'm not a big anal guy right because all right how familiar are you with DJ academics um you heard of him yeah he racked some of my stuff and he seemed cool because he was agreeing with me. Right. In the sneako beef, right. That was actually kind of crazy for me to be like, damn, Ack poking his head into the Manosphere right here, too. Yeah, he is. Well, yeah, because he's saying some true

shit, too, where he's like, the way these guys talk about relationships, not to say anything, but like, yeah, like, yeah, like, the idea, like, oh, it's just some hoe with mileage, and I just someone to blah, I was like, bro, find a woman you fucking love. Nobody talks about love in the Red Poked me. You got to believe in it at all. If you don't have any critiques of the Manisphere, then you're not paying enough attention, because there's a whole bunch of fuckery going on. But anyway, academics'

this thing was he was, like, saying that, there was a conversation, I guess, on a stream that you guys were on, and the conversation was about, like, how to get girls or how to deal with girls, whatever. And then he basically said that you being bisexual disqualified you from that conversation, which to me, I kind of feel like act knows too much to try to put forth that argument, because the reality is, is that in the rap game, like, some of the greatest pussy getters that realistically we could acknowledge are dudes, who it's, like, heavily rumored, have done stuff with dudes as well, too.

It's like very commonly known. I mean, and if you were to expand that to like the rock world or like actors and shit too, I think we could learn a lot from our bisexual brothers. Yeah. Here, do you think that, I guess, like, is walking a walk a requirement to, I guess, to preach these philosophies? Like, for example, I think Acts' biggest thing with Rollo was, yo, you are out here telling men to exercise their options when they're in, like, relationships. You never tell us about how you cheated or your wife. Right?

So you're things like that. I think it would just, it would make me wonder. Like a doctor that's obese can't give you bad, it's not like he can't give you good advice about dieting, right? But I mean, like, obviously, like people will look and wonder. Or like, you know, like I'll say things a lot. Like you should date probably around your own age because you've got similar life experience.

Then I date a 20-year-old woman 30 and be like, oh, you don't believe any of the shit you say or whatever. It's like, most of people have dated been my age. Like it's not necessarily true. But, yeah, I mean, like, it's, I don't think it immediately disqualifies you, but there's going to be, obviously, more questions that people will have. Like, well, why aren't you doing this if you say it's so good? Or why are you doing this if you say it's so bad, yeah? Here's a question right now.

You actually got a bunch of backlash for this. For which thing? Oh, sorry, sorry. For being by or being an open, yeah. Oh, no, it's the NFT thing, I think, right? Oh, yeah. Now, listen, I'm not the mindset, yo, like, if I tell you, again, if I tell you motherfuckers, this, this, NFT shit is a fucking scam.

Do not purchase it. And then I come and say, listen, I just got this NFT bag. Purchasing it. I'm assuming it's a wink, wink, you motherfuckers already know not to fuck with this shit. Sure. So, okay, crypto is complicated, okay? So here is what was happening in the past, okay? And I still believe this to this day.

People that are telling you that you can buy and sell and flip NFTs to get rich are fucking scamming you. That's not even NFTs. That's all crypto. Anybody that's talking about like, buy it get rich, buy it, get rich. It's just a fucking scam. And that was the conversation was happening. Like, all this NFT shit is like fucking in a scam after scam, or scam or scam somebody offered to do a sponsorship with me where you could like buy like

nfts of like clips or whatever and i could sign them and that's all i sold it to my screen is like i got a sponsorship i was up front i was like hey if you wanted buy like an nfti me on the site i signed it or whatever that's it's it but we're not going to get rich selling it because we all do brand deals with shit that we obviously don't fucking use right sure but then also like and the audience gets that the audience is not like well hmm does he really use a VPN you got backlash for that though yeah i got huge backlash but at some point i was like you fuckers will burn out a day or two and they always do but like um let yeah if you want to i think nfts have a legitimate use like you can use them for real things i just don't like the flipping them like buying and selling like you get rich

that's generally what i'm opposed to but you know people can mind me for all sorts of i just like hate people putting false hope into people's minds like people who just like act as if teaching you about nfts is the key to unlocking your financial future there's a lot of people who lost their life savings and buying into that bullshit that's what i fight against a lot of the red pill i know sneko talked to this shit a lot like you got to get into e-commerce and drop shipping and it's like bro, this shit is like most of it is spam bullshit and very few people are going to make any actual money off of it. The devil doesn't create any value in the world.

It's a short stuff. Yeah. Oh, wait, so I'm assuming you were anti-Huslis University? Fuck, I opened the tab, but I hadn't actually watched it yet. I don't know what is. Hustlers University is the Andrew Tate. No, I know what it is. But what is he actually teaching it?

I don't know. I've thought about checking it out because I'm genuinely curious, but I kind of wonder. Well, like, so here's where it kind of like is like the middle line of is not a scam because it's a discourse server first of all, right? Right? It's a discourse server. Sorry, I got it. Right.

It's a Discord server, right. Now, listen, it's actually quite, like, resourceful. So, like, it's a Discord server with different servers that have, like, individual ways of making money. So, like, like, one server might have, like, like, I'm wholesale and houses. Next might have, like, e-commerce. Next might have, like, you know, Forex, like, that, right? And then there's, like, teachers for, like, each server, which, like, you can, like, ask questions, you know, they'll walk you through, you know, certain things. So, you know, it's an actual university, but it's like a university.

But it's like a source to make money, but I guess like you said, you know, if very few people would actually make money, but should that disqualify if, you know, if like if there are some, some motivated people who will make a big, you know, right? Okay, this is what I would say, okay? If you want to increase your value as a person, go to college, get a fucking degree. Yeah. Work on some actual fucking life skills. Or if you have the ability to do with trade, do that. if you can work with some businesses, your dad owns a small business, whatever, do some shit like that.

Like, that's, like, build, like, real skills at the end of the day that you can come out of and be like, oh, like, you know, like, I'm sure you, I don't know how long you've done this non-traditional work for. But, well, yeah, since, like, 2006, pretty much. Okay. Then I'm, I'm not even going to guess. I know you've picked up a ton of peripheral skills in terms of communicating with people, organizing events, working with employees, working on big projects, that if this would have

fail, you could probably step into some other type of work and carry. can carry a lot of what you've learned with you into that. I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah, because this is like real shit. If I spent all of my fucking day on my computer and in between fucking jerk off sessions, I'm trying to find out which Chinese website I can buy some fucking shitty spoon at for 30 cents less so that I can relist it on fucking Amazon.

Like, after doing that for five years, yeah, maybe I've made, you know, like 40,000 a year like doing this crazy online shit. But what the fuck have you done to improve yourself or learn anything? You're like trying to make money off of these like esoteric like algorithms and shit that you're trying to like scam other people out of by relisting shit. I don't know. I don't like shit like that. I just,

I don't think it's like, compared to a guy that like learns how to program or a guy that goes to school or like, or learns a trade, electrician, plummer or whatever.

Like, these are people that after five years, you know, what do you have to show for? Oh, I've learned a skill. I've learned to trade. I got a degree. I can go and work at a place

as opposed to some dude who's like, well, you know, when this new website goes up tomorrow night, I'm going to buy out all of this fucking stock of shit and I found out I get relisted on Walmart and I can make like 32 cents of things.

And the thing is like, people who are actually invest in money in a lot of these courses and stuff, it just sort of feels like a virtue signal in a lot of ways where if you really wanted to learn the thing at hand, like if you wanted to get into real estate or whatever, you're going to spend money taking actual real estate courses, or I'm sure there's great online resources. There's probably so much information for free. And, you know, but people like the idea with these courses of like spending a couple hundred dollars on this investment into their future or whatever. And a lot of times I feel

those people just haven't probably not even like skim the surface of what they could find online for free not to mention if they were to like take any actual classes dude like a lot of it just feels like fucking bullshit to me like i've talked about doing a podcast uh course and i actually honestly believe that if i did this that i would be putting information out there into the world that i haven't talked about and that i don't really think that there is a comparable resource like i just I haven't seen a lot of people talk or write at length about podcasting and, you know, all the intricacies of it. I could see that actually having real value. But a lot of this stuff just doesn't seem like it passes the sniff test to me.

I'm going to say my favorite thing that I saw on a video about the hustle universe, I don't know if they do it. But if you lapse on your monthly payments, they don't actually kick you out of the program. They put you in, like, the jail room. And the only thing you can see in the server is like all the people that come in and post their accomplishments, so you feel like shit because you didn't make the monthly payments. That was fucking funny to me That's genius He bought a fresh and fit course Yeah

Did you learn a lot Well I mean like That helped me get this job It was about how to like Contact people in network I guess It wasn't like a sex course

And I guess he credits that For like DMing me And me Seeing the vision And him being a broadcaster You mean No facts right But then I do have a question for you though

Corey Keshon You know There's a few other Content critics Who were talking about this man Do you feel like YouTube because they went right out and said YouTube is racist.

I would need more information to say YouTube is racist, but what's your thoughts on the minute? Do you think that YouTube has an issue with, I guess, these like... I think I see with brand-friendly shit. Yeah. A lot of black people aren't very brand-friendly. No offense. Not facts. No facts. No, like, I think

it is. It's like, you want stuff that's like... Like, if you got like a black version of like fucking fuck, I don't even know any famous, like, boring white Minecraft YouTubers. It's like Mr. Beast or whatever? Is he like a... Well, he's not really a Minecraft YouTuber, but... Fuck, I don't know anybody. I'm sorry, I don't even watch it. Scott. Scott plays Minecraft was the only Minecraft

YouTuber that I knew. Okay, sure. Or like, Dan TDM, that's the kid who... My kid used to talk about that guy. Like, if you got, like, people like that do hold some shit like that, YouTube would probably promote the fuck out. But wait, didn't Jimmy on... Wasn't he accusing Twitch of being racist because he felt they were being inconsistent with his ban or whatever? That too, but then he also made a YouTube video as well, pretty much, like,

co-signed everything Corey Kashan said. And he said Twitter was racist because he thinks they de-trended a tweet of his, because Twitch told them too about getting banned. Yeah? It seems a little optimistic. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think, especially with as progressive as these companies are, I doubt it's a race thing.

It's just more like a brand-friendly thing or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was like a Twitch clip that perfectly summarized this. What's the name of the, is it Speed? Is the black dude that, like, screams a lot or whatever? Yeah, I might have been a YouTube clip then. It wasn't Twitchcom. I think it might have been a YouTube clip or I might have been another dude.

People are going to make fun of me now because I'm mixing up two black guys, and it's because I think, whatever. But like, basically, it was a guy. on screen and he was listening to the thing and I think he was reacting to do you know who low-tier god is yes okay you know he's crazy but he was making the point about how like I think a lot of these people aren't brand safe or whatever and the guy and the guy in responding to him fuck I can't even quote it because there's so many uses of the end word I can't say it but the guy was watching the dude and and

low-tier god was saying like the reason why you're not getting sponsored or promoted is because like when they go on to your streams and stuff there's like the and where like every two seconds and it's not like brand friendly blah blah blah and the guy like paused it and he's like you know the one song where the guy's like he says the end word like 50 times in a row and he's like 100% whatever

yeah he just starts like screaming that and it's like okay yeah that sounds like a very speed like thing to do okay it might have been speed watching let your guy maybe yeah sorry that's sorry it was really close or fucking but but yeah I think a lot of those

a lot of like the ones like they ate in raw streams or whatever on Twitch and whatnot too they're just they're very very very very like edgy and I would never see Twitch or like YouTube like pushing stuff like that or you know And how about this, though? Now, is Twitch may be sexist?

Because I think, like, there was a big deal. Again, I haven't even seen it yet, but there was a big deal of a female who was getting, like, her cheeks abillorated live on Twitch, right? Obliterated. And she got, like, a seven-day band while if, let's say, Aiden Rawls, well, Aiden Rose was white. But let's say if a Gideon did something like that, you know, he would probably, you know, be in jail somewhere or, like, bands for life. In jail. Right? They seem a little lenient on female broadcasters.

I'll say that. Yeah. Seems like it, yeah. Right. But they also just don't punish the sex stuff very much. One girl was recording for OnlyFans or something, and she left her stream on. And she had like her whole open her butt hole and everything on the stream.

I think she got a three-day ban for that. Wow. Yeah. Incredible. It was. The future is female. But if you say Simp, that's a what, that's a what? That's not true.

No, you don't get banned for that. People say that if you say if you get banned, that's not true. I think if you use it as like an insult or something, you can get banned or something. Okay, makes sense. I'm going to vote that we take a quick piss break, and then I'm going to bring up Trump. Okay, one thing that I get a lot of pushback on

from a lot of my red pill compadres like Sneco is that I personally consider Donald Trump beyond the pale, one of the, probably like maybe one of the last people I would vote to be president on earth, like probably one of the worst people, maybe two have ever lived, the least redeeming,

possesses the least redeeming, characteristics of almost anybody that I've ever witnessed on the public stage. And on top of that, he intentionally attempted to subvert the outcome of our election, which I would think that even if you were a Trump supporter, that you would hopefully be in favor of fair elections. Now, this, for some reason, is a very controversial opinion with all these red pill people. How do we approach this? How do we find some common ground when a lot of people on the right, this is like the best

presidential candidate possible. And to me, it's like probably one of the last people I'd ever want to see be president. How do you attempt to make sense of this? It doesn't you go first, huh? Damn, I really don't like Trump. I don't know if I'd go that far. Really? I overstepped it. Okay. I'm a big Sam Harris fan. So if you

ever heard him talking about, I'm kind of borrowing Sam Harris talking points. He's in hot water recently for some stuff, or I guess like a week or two ago. And I listened to the original podcast he got in trouble for, and then I listened to his like 45 minute podcast explaining it and I learned nothing. I already knew how he felt about Donald Trump. I already knew that it was taken out of context and that he was kind of

like thinking out loud and like being a little bit too ponderish. He's pondering his opinion of like how social media ban should be taken and his words were kind of taken out of context. Anyway, how do we think of this? Yeah, I think, I think Trump has, there's nothing redeeming about Trump. Right. Yeah, he's a horrible. It's really pretty transparent. Like horrible in every sense of the word. Not actually horrible because horrible implies like a level of incompetence. He is very incompetent. That's actually probably one of his most positive sides, whether he was so incompetent.

That he didn't get a lot done in office. Yeah, they didn't never replace the ACA. He failed on that. Didn't do much for his wall. He did what he could do with executive powers and he obviously got a Supreme Court picks. But he was otherwise, and then he got his big tax cut. For the most part, he didn't do much,

which I would consider to be a good thing. This is a Sam Harris talking point that he said a bunch of times probably never been said on this podcast is that he considers Osama bin Laden a more admirable figure because at least it seemed that Osama bin Laden had a real commitment to his ideals and was willing to sacrifice. I'm talking about that dude that for the blames and everything, right? Right, which obviously a very evil act.

I'm not questioning that, but like the basic point is that he seemed very dedicated to his actual beliefs. Whereas with Donald Trump, there's really nothing that you could point to, like, Islam for him that is really governing his... Oh, you could super point to something. He's just, he's just, everything is about what benefits him. Yes, it's his ego. He's very egotistical. That's like what he is at the end of it. Bin Laden was willing to live in a fucking cave.

basically because he was so serious about his stupid beliefs. So some guy said that Ben Laden, you know, who is a terrorist or horrible people, one of, you know, the worst people to ever live, that guy is comparable to Trump. And we are trying to normalize that. No, no, he said that at least bin Laden, like, stuck to his beliefs. And had beliefs that seemed at least somewhat coherent. Here, right, so here's what, again, even me, I'm not even like a big, big Trump guy, you feel me? They all say that. right but but

you just call them daddy for the record no they say that you go on their Facebook yeah and they've got like 50 million fucking Trump means they'll say some shit like that

and then they'll hear like on the other side of the building somebody like I don't know if I would vote for Trump like the fuck what do you mean you fucking hate America and everybody's trying to distance themselves from Trump in the media and shit right now they're trying to be like oh yeah

like Ron DeSantis whatever but okay so good you yeah nah nah so here's where I feel like Trump does the most good right is he brings brings out, for example, as a black man, here's, you know, and here's where I feel like most

folks kind of fuck with Trump is, is not really for Trump, right? But Trump, when he came out, it forced a lot of my, like, closeted friends, right? Right. Who was, you know, who was kind of suspecting of, you know, nationalist, white supremacist, you know, it kind of forced them to come out and really rep their set. And to me, like, if somebody, again, is being bold, being truthful about, you listen, you know, here's my side. I'm a white supremacist, nationalist, I'm racist, cool. I feel like that's better. You're saying

that he emboldened white supremacists. That's literally what his biggest critics say. No, no, no, no, right, no, right? But like, and here's why, though, I feel like that's something good. I feel like that's better than the opposite end of the spectrum, whereas condescending liberals who are probably just as racist,

but then they're coming as sheeps, you know, as wolves and sheep clovens, right? you know, who are not trying to, like, co-op our agenda. You know, I feel like, again, but the bold white supremacist, Nick Fontas, Richard Spencer, they're much better to me than the opposite end of spectrum, which is a liberal who is coming real core, real slide,

who is just as condescending, you know. I think that's 100% true. I think over the last, like, 10 years, progressives and liberals have, like, lost their messaging on, when it comes to black people, or minorities in general. And they treat them like retarded children.

And they need to fuck off with that because it's horrible. That's just a lesson they've got to learn. And I've heard that talking point from more and more minorities. And then you see people like Kanye West and Candice Owens talking about leaving the plantation and shit. You saw the outrage from Bernie fans when black people weren't voting right. And it's like, well, they are uneducated. They just don't know better. It's like, bro, you need to work on your shit.

You see? Right. Yeah, conservatives used to make this claim. And it was bullshit when they made it, but it's true now. They used to have this expression called the bigotry of low expectations. You ever heard that? Yeah. Where it's like, yeah, well, obviously black people can't do anything because they're special and they need our help with everything because they're fucking retarded.

It's like, okay, we let's, now it's not exactly like that. Now, conservatives would say that progressives have always been like this or liberals have always been like this. I don't think that's true. But over the past several years, I think it's been pretty true. They just, white people have a really hard time on the left talking about like minority issues intelligently. And then they make like a lot of really fucking stupid assumptions about minorities. Nordic communities. They treat them as way too monolithic. And they overlook

like a lot of true problems and shit. And it just yeah, it drives me crazy. I'm around a lot of black people, realistically. A lot of salt to the earth, like normal black people. And I don't think that and really realistically, people who have probably been the most victimized by

police brutality because they are fucking in gangs and shit. And I've never heard any of them show any kind of support for like defund the police. or abolish the police. It's like super unpopular. Even black dudes who are like the most likely to be against the cops will probably acknowledge that a lot of the policing in certain communities is the reason why the murder rates are a lot lower.

Yeah, and you'll hear like white people. And I'm lucky because one of the communities that I grew up in where my grandma lived when I was younger was a very black apartment community. So I had like a lot of black friends and shit. And I would stay over their house sometimes. And hearing people say things like, but these were like Christian black people. like very strict very like no rap music unless it was like fucking Christian rapper over in the house like very very very strict parents right um growing up

and hearing people say shit like today like I'll hear white people say shit's being where debating like you don't understand black families don't want police officers in their neighborhoods because they're worried they're just gonna accidentally roll up and kill their children or whatever's like what the fuck are are you talking about like if you look at all the polling data if you listen to people like go to like some movement we're talking about like ACAB ACAB ACAB ACAB like the only black people you're gonna see them are college students right everybody else is whiter than you know a fucking like Jesus

that view I don't know how I don't want to get too political but like it's funny when you go back to like people are very critical of the was 93 or 94 the big crime bill

right that everybody talks about is like this is the worst crime bill ever and this is what's destroying black communities only racist supported this the CBC the congressional black caucus

supported this black people all over the country one of this was a very different time and how crime was viewed yeah and people will say shit today like oh well

they prosecute powder cocaine differently than crack cocaine because they're racist No, it's because crack cocaine was fucking destroying black communities all over the United States. Okay, like black people don't love dealing drugs. They don't love crime. They don't like gangs. They don't like their kids like getting killed and shit like it's everybody in the country wanted to solve these issues, especially black people and the idea that like all of it came from only racist white people and only like bullshit Do you like black people are normal people that don't want crime. They don't you know now obviously there's problem with the cops that are unique in the black community or whatever, but it never goes as far as like the crazy ACAB shit or a you and defund the police or defund the police police shit. But how do you think that this plays out? Because we're seeing in like

L.A. and New York, a ton of really normal people that I know, like guys who own businesses and shit like that, who are basically like reciting, like, conservative talking points about how we need to elect harsher, you know,

prosecutors and shit like that because the crime seems so out of control. And this is coming out of time where we have like progressive prosecutors are trying to put a lot less people in jail. Like, how do you see this playing out? Like is this reaction in full swing? Because it's sad because it's like we're just going to see the jails, I guess, or the prisons like fill up more so. You have to stop being so rat.

Everybody has to stop responding. I always tell people like this when I argue with people, I'll be like, why the fuck are you so far over there? And they'll be like, well, dude, people in your set are crazy. And I was like, okay, I agree. But why do you have to be just as crazy in the opposite end? Like, I feel like I learned this when I was 16. Sometimes people say shit that you don't like, especially when you were a teenager. And I figured out really early that if I let them control me, then I'm a tool.

But if I do the exact opposite, I'm just as much a fucking tool. They still have control over me. I'm just moving the opposite way every time they move, right? Think about your own shit and figure it out. I think that you're, fuck, where am I? We're in L.A., right? Yeah. It was in San Francisco where they had that crazy fucking, was it the DA who was like,

I'm not going to lock people up for Mississippi, who got fucking voted out. Because they're like, fuck you, dude. This shit is wild now. Yeah. Yeah, and I think we're going to see that happen where if you want to be real soft on crime and you'd be a nice dude and you want to arrest anybody, then eventually people are going to swing backwards like, fuck three strikes, we need two strikes. Right. And these motherfuckers are out of here. And people are trying to play games with the numbers.

Here, fuck, sorry, hold on. This is my, he's making me talking about public. No, I want to hear how you feel about this for sure. Big thing in San Francisco, okay? Huge back and forth. Walgreens and I think CVS and Target, all these people start talking about how we're going to shut down stores because there's a fuck ton of crime. Right. Okay.

progressives come out and they're like bullshit you're just capitalist you're trying to shut down stores just because you're not fucking you're not making the money you want and you're just using crimes as an excuse because you're a fucking fascist or whatever right right never mind the fact that none of these people have ever been in a shitty store in a or in a store in a shitty neighborhood where they've got like every fucking thing in a box that's locked out you can't even get a fucking razor off the thing without asking somebody from the front to come and unlock the shit for you they don't even know any of that shit right but um people bring up these stats where they'll go well actually let's go ahead and take a little look at the reported stats in San Francisco and see is there actually more crime. And the thing was, was the reported crime was actually a bit lower than it had been traditionally. And then they all came out with this. It's like, they are lying. We know it because they're not, look at the reported crime. They're all making this shit up, even though we've got videos of people like breaking the stars, blah, blah, it's like, okay. Then the store owners came out and they said, well, the thing that happened was, was we stopped reporting it because cops don't even show up and do anything. one target decided to put in a button for reporting it was like a quick call button for the cops if a shop that was happening i think it was one target in it was either in san francisco it was in neighboring city one target put that button in and that one target i think when they used that button like doubled the entire crime reporting for the month when the one target had that button in yeah it's a problem the shoplifting shit is a problem the support for shoplifting is fucking

cringe people stealing shit and people like that's base steal from a company you don't live in neighborhoods that are affected by shoplifting it fucks everybody's life up everything goes behind like like yeah that it's not good i'm sorry yeah people get way too progressive on the crime shit when in reality like having cops around probably reduces crime we even know that there are some aspects even a broken windows policing that kind of worked right but cops just can't be the only thing we use to solve crime there's got to be other shit too right but yeah but I mean are people totally out of their minds when they're like oh there's people other than cops should show up when there's like a mental health

crisis. This is a complete waste of oxygen. It's just, I, fuck, I'm trying not to be racist, but it's just white people that have never dealt with any difficult people in their life. If someone's having a mental health crisis, we don't need a cop there. Just needs to a guy to show up. You've never dealt with a legitimately fucking crazy person. Here's a thing that I believe. If you're a progressive and you get upset

when people talk about how scary homeless people are, you should have to go walk down in Hollywood at night. Skid Row, man. No, you don't even need to go to Skid Row. You don't even need to go to Skid Row. You go to any major part in L.A. No offense. I've lived in the city long enough any fucking overpass, any downtown area, West Hollywood Hollywood, go walk down there sometime, okay? And you'll see people screaming

really loud, and they don't have air pods in down there, okay? They're just fucking talking to a ghost in front of them. Yeah, you can see this in Seattle, I've seen it in Toronto, I've seen it in Miami. We had a guy that looked like he was going to fucking stab us. I hate kids from the fucking suburbs talking about homeless people and how like, oh, you're so evil when you were broke. Homeless people are fucking scary. Not that they don't deserve compassion, we shouldn't do

something about it, but you can't demonize all the people that are saying, like, we've got to do something about this problem. It's really fucking scary. What do you think the solution is for us as a society in terms of how we treat homelessness? Homelessness is a hard one because it's a multi-factor problem and the way to fix it is the problem is there's a lot of homeless people in areas that like there's not much housing available. And there's a, I don't know if there's the political will for it because it's a group of people that don't vote for the most right. You can kind of ignore them. A lot of your like suburban people like never see them.

So it's just, it's a hard issue to drum up a lot of support for, I think. Yeah, for sure. Okay, let me, let me hit the list. Yeah. Let me hit the list. Oh, okay. Here we have the topic of the moment. Uh-oh.

The Keffels saga. Oh, man. I mean, I've found out about this person from watching your videos, basically. Were you ever on good terms with them or? No. They just popped into my life one day when they were trying to shit stir on the internet. And you, what were your, anti-trans positions that initially

would have caused this person to have a problem with you? What are the cliff notes for Destiny's transphobia? The cliff notes is that, so here's one thing. I fight with a lot of people online that are part of the trans community, and

anytime I fight with them, my attacks are considered transphobic. Even though they're not objective. I love trans people in my community. That's what you say, yeah. I think I probably have one of the most active trans communities of any large streamer. I'm pretty sure I do. But whenever I fight, like,

there was a person that said they took, like, for instance, they said they took 10 Benadryl and they tried to commit suicide and they came back on Twitter the next day and they released like a Google Doc with like poetry for their fans and stuff. And I was like, that's some cringe fucking shit. You're like six feet tall. That was nowhere near his suicide. Fuck you and fuck

all of this. This is cringe shit. But they're like Destiny is, and you'll see that you can probably go on Twitter and search Destiny, trans, suicide, make fun of. And be like, Destiny makes fun of trans suicide. I was like, it's not, I wasn't make fun of them because they were trans. That's being fucking loser. Putting out a poem about their suicide attempt.

Yeah. Right. And then going right back into Twitter the next day just as toxic as it was before. It was like, the fuck. Wow. Yeah. Damn. And so just stuff like that.

That was enough to set it off. Yeah. Right. Or there was like there was one girl. Maybe I went a little bit too far with this, but there was one trans woman who, she, me and my wife were doing like a stream where we were like in a hot tub and we like to tickle each other sometimes. Right.

You know, like that. I think I like poked her in the back or whatever. It's like, oh. Not consensual tickling. No. They said that I raped her on stream. Right. Because of your aggressive tickling?

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, she was like, you raped her on stream. No, they thought that I was like putting my dick in her ass or something. And I was raping her on stream. Right. And they're like, this is really concerning. And then she supports, like, a website that helps people get, like, do it yourself hormones and shit. And she tweeted out something like, I've helped over 500 minors get on hormones.

Right. And I think I tweet, I was like, you're kind of a fucking pedophile. Right. And I probably shouldn't have said that. That was the chick with like the short blonde hair or whatever? I don't even know. But I couldn't believe that. She thought that this was just going to go over super well,

and then it ended up destroying her entire life, basically. Which one? The one who was all bragging about giving out the DIY hormones. I don't know if it's destroyed alive. I think they're all doing okay, aren't they? Oh, I don't know. Okay, answer this. What is Kiwi Farms?

Kiwi Farms is, imagine you want to talk shit about people. You want other people who want to talk shit about people, and then you make a forum to talk shit about people. And it's just like the most toxic fucking people on the internet that talk shit about people. So it's like comparable to like a 4chan kind of? In some ways, and in some ways. some ways worse. But so is the stated purpose of it is to make fun of people? The stated purpose is you collect, there's like these, you call them cows, law cows, right? It's like a funny guy you

want to make fun of, you make a threat on them, you post a ton of information so the people can kind of follow the saga of like the particular cow that you're following. Right. And then they usually involves like a lot of doxying and like posting phone numbers and fighting and shit like that. And why doesn't, why don't they get taken down? Like you would think that they do is illegal. So like doxing isn't illegal and their sites, it's like hosted like Russia or some shit. Right. And so do you feel like a, uh, you feel like, uh, you feel like, Keffels is kind of hyperbolic with how bad the harassment

might be from this, or do you think that it really is as bad as she makes it out to be? It's a bad sight. I've been docks by them several times. They're very, very weird and very toxic, but she also plays it up a lot, too, and she lies about some things as well. She claims that, like, they've killed, like, five or six trans people, and

some of these people aren't even confirmed dead. They just, like, got off the internet and thinking, oh, he had committed suicide. You don't know that. Right. And then she also, I... Oh, fuck. My YouTube guy could sum out I get in this because he's like you need to stay away from this you're just going to hurt yourself so go in and fuck it man you're on a no jumper yeah I think

no rules I think she likes it I think she likes the attention because it is like it's the ultimate like victim complex scenario like when she got swatted by the London Ontario police who like the most fucking have like trans flag badges not really but there's like an incredibly progressive

police force she's like I woke up with a gun in my face I woke up staring down the barrel of an assault rifle when I got swatted and I got hold off to jail where they dead named me and it was the worst experience. And then, like, later on, she gives an interview, walks some of that story back. Then the chief of police comes out and he says what happens. He's like, the police showed up. They knocked on the door.

Right, I was thinking they got to have knocked on the door, right? It wasn't a no knock raid. They didn't break down anything. They knocked on the door. She came out. They're like, hey, we had emails from somebody claiming to be you saying they were going to assassinated a bunch of political leaders. We've got to take you to jail for a little bit.

And then she was released the next day. She got all of her stuff back, like everything. And she raised $100,000 off of that saying she was going to fight a lawsuit. And then she changed her mind and she moved to Europe with the money. Right. And she's still like posting like pictures of like, you're not going to get me, Kiwi Farms. And one of her videos is like, the next time the cops come in, you guys better make sure they pull the trigger. And I'm like, oh my fucking God, please kill me.

Shut the fuck up. The hosting provider or whatever is a cloud flare. The cloud flare is a service that basically provides a cover against DDoS attacks on the internet, essentially. Okay. And so she is waging war on them trying to get them to take the site down. Trying to get them to start providing services for me. And what do you think the main aversion to that is? Because I would think that this would normally be pretty convincing to a company like that.

Cloudflare is a big company that provides a lot of services to a lot of people on the internet. I want to say like 20% of like DDoS protection on the internet is provided cloud flare. Like they are big hosts and everything too. Right. It probably sets a bad precedent. I'm supportive of Cloudflare's of Cloudflare of like maintaining their position. Because they compared it to like the fire department refusing. to go to your house if they didn't like your opinions.

Yeah. And yeah, so I think we'll see how long it sticks. It's funny because I had people witch hunt my current in the same way. But now they're focused on since Cloudflare won't do it. Now they're trying to find everybody that uses Cloudflare, and they're trying to harass Cloudflare's clients in order to get Cloudflare to stop. Wow. So maybe it'll move to clients of Cloudflare or who knows.

Do you think that Kiwi Farms would the world would be better off if it was removed from the internet? Is it that bad? Absolutely. It was a horrible website. Really? But there's like the principle of like if they're not doing it. anything illegal, they should probably be allowed to exist and operate. If you want to get rid of Kiwi firms, you should probably find a way to make what they're doing illegal, I think. Otherwise,

it kind of has to stand because, like, sites like mine will be next because they think I'm a Nazi and they think I coordinate her hate raids and shit even though I don't. So if sites like Kiwi farms go down, like, it's just, it's too much power for them. There's way too much mainstream media support that is unwaveringly, um, uncritical of every lie and crazy thing that couple says. Like, they cover all the positive, but they won't bring up the fact that she's called me a rapist on stream before with no evidence. She's called me. called another guy a pedophile with no evidence. She's made up multiple lies about like

what Kiwi Farms does, what other people have done about her own life. It's just like very frustrating to see somebody like that get so much like relentlessly positive coverage and attention all of the internet when they're literally like an internet terrorist. She tweeted out like the she tweeted out the other day. She deleted it. But she tweeted out the address to the servers

that she thinks KiwiFarm is supposed to know a new Ukraine. And she's like, I heard these guys were pro-Russian. You guys know what to do. I'm like, are you actually this is some fucking wild shit. She's tweeting out pictures of like the owner, Joshua Moons, of him and his fucking mom saying, like, you guys need to find it. I'm not playing fair anymore. It's like, you're actually an internet

terrorist. You're fucking insane. Wow. And she's getting mainstream, vice, NPR, CNN, like, all these people writing positive articles supporting her, and it's like, it's fucking wild to me. Do you feel like in some way all of this is your fault? No, I didn't even know who the fuck she was, and then one day she picked a huge fight with me, and

then I got banned, like, the next week. I don't even know who the fuck it was, yeah. But, okay, I mean... Oh, like, did I play into it initially like five years ago? No, just that, like, this whole like landscape like in a way you sort of started this whole scene right i started the political scene on twitch right i don't know how i don't know i would say i was part of the kind of moving in this direction i don't know if i if i can take credit for all of it because okay as fun as it would be to say i was that big i was watching a video where you were watching uh hasan doing an interview

and he was like basically like telling the story of how he got into the streaming space and everything like that and i have been in his fucking position where you're speaking it's like a very mainstream audience and there's a real incentive to just sort of like paint a sunny picture of your come up or whatever. And like, you know, clearly him saying like, well, there was this guy Destiny doing this style of stream and I decided to basically kind of do the exact same thing. I mean, that's, it just doesn't really sound that inviting, right? Bro, when he said, I just had this idea to combine video games in politics, I wanted to fucking cut my throat.

I was like, are you serious? I'm so glad I left my fucking guns in Nebraska because I would have killed myself. Listen to this actual fucking piece of shit. You didn't like that one? What are you going to do? Context, I think, was the show that he was on when he did that interview. What should take on him, though? He's just like a progressive.

I'll still sneak over it. He's a progressive bot. Like, anything that, like, the mainstream progressive narrative is, you can just write. That'll be his response to everything. So, like, ACAB, fuck the institutions, pro Bernie. He doesn't have any, like, positions that go against the, uh, really? Because that's kind of like a dead giveaway, bro.

Like, if you're on board with, like, every Trump position, because, like, I've watched Hassan and like found, I've agreed with most of the stuff that I saw I'm talking about, but I've also seen him like, I don't know. Nah, he's a bot for show. Now who do you think is worse? Him or 8383, Ethan? Hassan is worse. Ethan is just

kind of like a... There's a lot of people that kind of cucked out to like the progressive communist shit because it's like the popular thing to do. And I think Ethan is kind of, I think Ethan tries, but doing that show with Hassan, Hassan's like such a big personality and it's easy to just let him kind of like take the rams on everything. I think Ethan tries.

He tries? He tries. Well, like, let's be real enough, right? So do you think that... Trying to do better with not preemptily burning bridges, okay? He tries, okay? He's going to be on that fucking friend of me show. Yo, he's deteriorating, right?

Like, like, in front of our eyes. He's the what? Bro, listen, like, Ethan used to be this super smiley, giggly, comedie, feeling me, man, bright face. Now he has bags under his eyes. He's turning pale. He's fat as fucking out. Again, I can't talk about it.

Right, now, do you feel like... He's doing this because, again, he was once edgy at some point, but that do you feel like he's doing this because he truly believed this? I don't know, man. I mean, to the back. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say, dude.

I have a friend, it's so funny because it's almost the same thing. Jennifer, she was a huge fan of, or she still has a huge fan of H-J-H-H-H-Rie. And I remember the beginning, she's like, I fucking hate you for what you've done in my show? I'm like, what are you talking about? It's like, now they're doing a show with fucking son. He's your fault. And now Ethan is this horrible fucking guy who's just like, this woke loser and I'm like that's not my fault bro but she gives me like updates all the time

he fucking said this dumb shit and now Ethan's insane this dumb shit and I fucking hate you it's like right his comment sections now if you go to his comment sections you'll be hard pressed to find a positive comment sure I mean like they've changed a lot really yes it's just I just don't like the I hate to use this fucking word I hate the bot talking points like the bot thing is taken over it is but like I feel like I could script out like give me a media event and I could write everything you're going to say about it it. You're so predictable. It's like I'm not even going to you like I'm not going to Hassan or Ethan mainly Hassan but like I'm not going to you guys for like your opinion on

the news. I'm going to you to find out like what is the progressive establishment like broadcasting to the world so that we all know like what we need to tune our fucking intent is to to think and it's like so fucking boring. Oh God. Damn but okay how often do you feel like you have to do a balancing act between stating how you actually feel and being nice because you know i have like a a bunch of trans people that've been on the show over the years i know a bunch of trans people i mean sometimes it doesn't really it just feels like so unbecoming to even like have some of these conversations publicly because it's like on one hand of course you want to respect how everybody wants to live their life but then at the same time it's like there's a lot of stuff done

under the name of this stuff that if you were to just really like just go along with it like we were talking about demi levato's pronouns on the fucking podcast when she first changed them like if i kind of just gone along with it and then like we gotta respect demi's pronouns then like you know it's like two weeks later she changes who the fuck would even want to watch me talk about anything if i were to just be like got to respect debby's pronouns like it's just too boring like you just have to have something to say about this kind of thing but then at the same time it's like some people will just be like oh he's a transphobe like i'm not gonna kind of dig in a little bit and see that what he was saying was actually pretty rational in the situation well so a question for both of you guys

Do you think... You got to let them respond to that first. Yeah, sorry. Don't double question. Well, what's the response? I mean, like, oh, do I feel like you have to be nice? I'll be pretty honest about most of the things I believe. That's my brand at this point.

Right. Like, people call me a bridge burner and shit, so, like, I'm okay. I'd be pretty honest about most of what I was. Because even there was, like, immense pressure on you to walk back your N-word take, which was really kind of mild. It was such a fucking mild take. You said, like, privately, in the context of a joke, you would consider it acceptable, right? Basically, what I...

The original take was basically, I think you can joke about anything. Everybody should be able to joke about anything they want to. Right. But publicly, you have to be aware of who your audience is. When I talked about earlier, like using certain words, right? So there are jokes that I would say privately that I probably wouldn't share publicly because I just don't think it's appropriate on my platform. And then that basically turned into like, would you say the N word privately?

And it's like, I don't know. Maybe with the right joke, sure, or whatever. And then that basically turned into like Destiny turns his chairman and screams the N-word. And he says he goes down a whole list of black friends. He's an N-Words. He's an N-Worth. He's, like, basically what it turned into. And that whole conversation just became that.

Which was ultra-ironic, too, because, like, Hassam is one of the people that tried to ambush me a few times on that. Meanwhile, he, like, listens to things like Chapo-Trap House and Comtown that are, like, these incredibly edgy. Like, they use the N-word, like, hard-ar and everything and shit. But, yeah. But, yeah, no, that was my position on that. Right.

Um, I seen, like, one stream where you were, you were arguing, I forget which, like, police killing a black man scenario it was, but you were basically, like, arguing the details. of this case with somebody in extreme depth. And it was like, it just stood out to me so much. It was like, holy shit, this is a conversation I can never have. Because you had clearly gone so out of your way to educate yourself about the actual details of this case so that you could kind of go out of your way to debunk, you know,

activists who are painting a different picture of it. And with me, a lot of it would just be the optics. I'm like, why the fuck would you know so much about this? just to just to explain how it didn't happen the way that certain people are saying that it happened, you know? Like sometimes does that feel a little bit like a weird role to find yourself in where you're like sort of studying cases like that just to be able to. A little bit, but like you have to be able to do it because like there's a lot of these prescriptions, a lot of these movements are coming out of these obsessions with these cases that are not good. like the Michael Brown shit was not good the whole rioting shit in Kenosha

over the Jacob Blake shit like the cops were super justified there and yeah you get into all these different shootings where like people are misrepresenting the facts they're misreporting the cases they're just fucking totally fucking wrong on shit they say even in cases where the case is bad right Brianna Taylor should not be dead

cops fucked up in a lot of and we're finding out more and more that they fucked up even more that apparently they fabricated shit to do the NONAC shit. That's really bad. Brianna Taylor did not die sleeping in bed, though. Cox did not walk into the room and execute her while she was fucking sleeping.

That's a lie. What the fuck would you lie about something when the case is already bad enough? Because what happens is when you lie about little things like that and we know this in all of our life. Somebody tells you a lie, you never trust that person the same again.

Exactly. And there's so many lies you're kind of expected to go along with if you want to ride the party lines in terms of being a progressive. And then you lose the other side will look at you like your fucking lie. It's the same thing with that Red Pill shit.

Right. People will say things like women love you for who you are. A woman would never think of you more or less if you had, you know, money or not. Bullshit. Why the fuck would you say some retarded shit like that? Nobody's listening to you now. Like everybody's walked away, you know? So, like, yeah, that's always the issue.

I try to be really truthful because when you start lying or, like, for the narrative, you've moved into preacher mode and now nobody on the other side is going to listen to you because they know you're for sure. And you're really opening the door for people like the Red Pill community to, like, give the counter-narrative. Yeah. If you spent much time on the, uh, the indigenous mass graves in Canada, is that, is that bullshit or is that I've spent way too much time on that. You have done us. Okay.

It is. Completely bullshit. There were churches burned to the fucking ground. There was just another one last week. They got burned out. Now they said it's suspicious, I don't know. 100% but like, yeah, there were churches burned to the ground over that shit. And it was total bullshit.

Wow. Fucking crazy. Basically there was... I listened to the whole episode of The Daily about that shit and just assumed it was all real. So here's the thing, okay? They are finding a couple of gravesites that were outside these schools. and they started referring to them as mass graves. Now, I don't give a fuck what anybody listening says or thinks.

A mass grave is when you kill a lot of people in one area or so many people fucking die, you start throwing them in a fucking ditch. You even mark the bodies. It's not a cemetery. Cemetery is not a fucking mass grave. But they started finding some of these cemeteries near schools. A couple of them had been like they'd fallen out of like maintenance. So like some of the gravestones were gone or they were like grown over and shit.

And somehow this snowballed out of control to, children were buried in mass graves. in a lot of these residential schools and the bodies were never even accountable. We don't even know who's there. And that's the narrative that Canada ran with. And the whole country got hyped up and that they started burned down churches.

But here's the reality. There has not been a single actual mass grave discovered in Canada. There's not been a single body exhumed anywhere that somebody didn't know about. I don't think they've exhumed any at all. All of that narrative was 100% bullshit. And nobody has issued retraction.

Nobody will retract anything. Of course not. How is that even possible? Yeah, that's wild. And there's church and churches were burned to the ground. They were over 100 vandalized. There was like six or five to ten

actually burned and they're not ever usable anymore. They're completely destroyed and nobody took accountability or responsibility for it. You know, I heard a similar thing about that fucking, remember that bird watcher beef

in New York like around the time of the George Floyd thing? It was like, what was it? It was like a black dude who was like asking, he was like basically talking to a lady who was walking her dog.

Yes. Amy Cooper. I listened to a Barry Weiss podcast about how that didn't happen the way that they put out there, and it was fucking insane. They interviewed her. How it happened on the video that went viral was black dude standing there just being chill, and the woman is like, I'm going to call the cops on you for being a threat to me.

The full video was the guy saying, I'm going to put out some candy treats. I'm going to get your dog to come over here. He was trying to lure the woman's fucking dog away in a park. Yeah, that story was bullshit. Her life was destroyed, I'm pretty sure, over that fucking story, too. She's still in hiding. Like, Barry Weiss was somehow able to get her to do an interview. but she had never talked to the media.

She was, you know... Absolutely fucking bullshit, dude. I never knew that. Absolute bullshit. Right. This is... I always say that people get so mad at me, but any time I see a clip

where it's 15, 30 seconds, I'm like, we all have cell phones today. Nobody's cell phone stops at 15 seconds. There's a reason why you're seeing a video that's 22 seconds long, okay? There is 50 million things that could have happened before

and could have happened after. Don't fucking draw any judgments or conclusion until you see all the footage. There's literally, no reason to do it. Okay? You're not on, nobody's holding a gun to your head telling you to make a decision right fucking now. Nobody's got their fucking hand on the nuclear button

about to bomb something. Fucking chill. Just wait, wait for the rest of the story to come out and then make a decision then. Kyle Writtenhouse shootings. I heard, I was, okay, I watched the debate and it was you doing this topic, but it was like before all of the information from the trial and everything that we know now. And you were kind of wiping the floor with Vosch, regardless, even though you didn't have any of the information that we know now. But yeah,

That's an open and shut easy. Well, not, well, do you know why the written house shootings happened? Because he was basically being attacked? Kind of. So the Kyle Writtenhouse shootings happened because in Kenosha, there was mass rioting. Right. Because a few days before, there was a video release of Jacob Blake getting shot six times in the back by a cop. Right.

And it looked really bad. Black guy was getting into a car and a cop shoots him like six times. The reality of that situation that we didn't find out until months later was that this dude was his wife or girlfriend had called the cops. he either had an open warrant or already had been convicted of sexual assault he came to this woman's house like kidnapper kids he had like two or three kids in the back of the car and he was about to get in the car and fucking drive off with him and the cops were trying to stop her from leaving and people are like yeah and once all this the story came out people like oh okay yeah obviously this was like okay well people didn't say that afterwards

because nobody cared nobody cared but like all of the writing that happened in Kenosha all of the written house shootings had happened afterwards all of that was on the back of a video where you only had 20 seconds of it you didn't see the full fucking video right it's so stupid stupid. Yeah. Even like the day of the written house verdict, I had to inform, like, AD&T, REL that he didn't kill two black people. Oh, yeah. They believed that for what... That was just

so consistently, like, put into people's mind somehow. Some media stories even tweeted that out. Like, or, yeah, like, this is an example of white supremacy when a white guy can murder black people and get away with, like, motherfucker, what are you talking about? Or people, I even debated Sam Cedar on this, and we started the very start of the conversation, like, there's a lot of misinformation relating to, like, for instance, like, the

shooting of, like, Jacob Blake. And he's like, yeah, I understand. Jacob Blake dying was, you know, probably and I was like, hold on, Jacob Blake's not dead, Sam. And he's like, oh yeah, he's not, I guess. He's just probably like, what the fuck? Right. Sorry.

But like, that drives me crazy. The, the written house thing, though, as well, like, I remember seeing LeBron tweeting about like, oh, your white tears.

And I was like, bro, this is like an 18-year-old kid who killed two people. Is it really hard for you to believe? You think he was faking it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, shut.

Dude, motherfuckers get on Twitter and they act like they have C-P-T-S-D from people tweeting mean words at them and they're like, white kid that's crying because he shot and killed two people in front of him when he was 17? No

shot. I don't believe that one. White people aren't new to that. No shot. Does he seem like a cold-blooded killer who just would be able to... It was super theatrical though. Right? It was super theatrical. It was a... Do you think that Amber Heard was doing fucking cocaine when she was on the stand too? Are you one of those people?

No, no, no. Okay. Okay, give us your opinion on that whole Amber Heard thing. Were you, like, that was a huge just like pull for people to make content about that. Tons of people like reverted their entire YouTube career to cover the trial and stuff. People got awesome. And it feels like there's at least like an attempt at rewriting how this all went down because like a lot of people in the media now are really trying to call attention to how she was

treated unfairly by so many content creators, everything like that. Like what's your take on all that? I don't make any strong ticks. I didn't follow the trial closely. So I'm going to say that number one. I'll say number two long-term toxic relationships almost always take two

to tango. It's very rare that just one person is fucking up. I'll say three, I saw information that made it seem like Johnny Depp was probably pretty shitty too, not just Amber Heard, which isn't surprising to me. But I think in the total way I saw she probably should have lost her case too.

Here's like the issue that happens with shit like this. I'll get on Twitter and I'll tweet something about how like, I don't think that women on Twitch should be doing sexual content. I think that's kind of weird. And then I'll get people that'll pop up on my mentions. And I'll like, amen, dude.

Women that have cleavage on Twitch are fucking sluts. Get these fucking whores off. And they're like, bro. Oh, slow the fuck down. I don't know who you are, but I don't want you in my corner. I think the Amber heard shit. The way that you see people talk about it is like, I don't know how to phrase this,

but some people are too happy. Like, it sounded like a fuck situation. If Johnny happened, if Johnny was correct in that, you know, he was to, fame and it wasn't good or whatever and he won that's awesome I'm cool for that and you know what fuck Amber but this whole like meta

narrative of the like evil fucking women trying to ruin fucking men everywhere and Johnny came out for all of us and these fucking whores are trying to blah blah blah and it's like damn sometimes it feels like they become vehicles for way too much vitriol is how I feel about it sometimes well they're not half wrong though

meaning you know just for what we were told or seeing what like Johnny went through it doesn't feel like she's getting like the level of criticism, right? Again, if I told you, yo, you know, you know, like this dude shit only, you know, you know, like, you know, and this female's bad, you know, and like he's responsible for her losing a portion of her fingers, that man would never be able to ever get work again. He'll be ostracized. He'll be banned. He'll be boycotted. But she kind

of feels like as if she getting like a pass. I think she, you know, was a lot of easy. There's a lot of double standards on all sides. It sucks. Like a lot of people came down way too hard on her in really weird ways. A lot of people probably that a lot of shit slide because it's a woman and we've got to treat them like retarded children. It reminds me if there's an episode, I think, of the view that was really weird. I think it was the view. It might have been another episode of like

four or five women talking where they were going through some story and laughing about some wife, cut her husband's dick off and threw it in a food disposal and they were all like laughing at like the comedy event. And I was like... Discusis. Wow. If there was anything on the opposite end of like a guy uses scissors to sniff his wife's clit off

and throw it up, you would be losing your mind. Jesus Christ. That's like unthinkable. Yeah, I know. So, yeah. You'd think we would have came a long way from Lorena Bobbitt. Because I remember that being like the principal comedic theme of like that year. Like everybody was just talking about Lorena Bobbitt chopping her husband's dick off.

Oh, maybe that was the story was about maybe. No, because you're talking about garbage disposal. I think that would be a different thing. Oh, okay. Maybe it's a different thing. Because she threw it into a field and they recovered it and they sewed it back on. And he actually ended up doing porn with his recovered penis. Jesus Christ.

Okay. Shout to John Bobbitt. I believe he might have died. Oh, well. She did, right? All right, pee to a goat. I definitely got to watch that porn now. I haven't seen it.

Okay. We've ever seen they can save organs in really crazy ways? Like, if something that's amputated, I think I've seen a picture of this. You can sew like a penis onto a person's arm to keep like the blood flowing through it until they're ready for surgery and shit. Wow.

It's like some wild shit. No, I definitely seen that before. That's amazing. Yeah. So if anything happens, save it. You drive your penis gets cut off.

Don't leave it there. I will not. You ever watch the George Floyd porn? Porn? Yeah. Y'all seen that. Yeah.

So he... No. This has been written out of history. Nobody even knows about it, dude. Yes, right. So there's this black porn company called the Habibi show. So pretty much like what they like certified...

They did his porn? Yes. Oh my God. I didn't know that. Yeah. So pretty much like they certified in just pure ghetto Timberlins and a du rag porn. Right.

I'm talking about straight ghetto shit. George Floyd porn is actually on the internet still. still on X videos is still there and you know he put in work you know okay awesome check that out yeah it was like a real like I think that story was suppressed I know the George Floyd shit was

cringe the cops shouldn't have killed him that was fucked right 100% I think that the sentencing conviction I think was fine but the like the hero worship afterwards was really weird right like the statues and shit like it's not fucking Batman okay

Why not? Why can't he have a statue? What would he have to do to earn a statue? Anything in life that was worth... That was admirable? Yeah. Listen, though. That's the white guy. He can fight for this, right?

Listen, still the truth. Wasn't a dude like a home evasion, robber, or type of bullshit? Wasn't he... They called... What they got called for for, like, counterfeit money or some shit? He was, like, druggy. Yeah, the guy was not like... He was not a hero.

Are you going to check out Candace Owen's documentary about how he deserved to be killed? Oh, God. No, that's cool. She's working on it. She's talking about it on Xbox. I'm white. I can't be that. No, no, no.

No, I don't know. No, I know. Yeah, cool. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. She's really out there. You don't respect her. Run off the plantation shit or whatever.

In general, though, do you respect her? No, she's a fucking idiot. Do you feel like she's even worth debating? I would, obviously, because of the attention and everything, but like she's insane. Yeah. Why? What's the craziest shit you've heard of say? Fuck, it's been a long time. I think the time I, there was.

There was a time when I'm pretty sure Kanye was fucking with her a lot. Yeah, and then he stopped fucking with her. Yeah, he finally turned around. Yeah, I think his team probably got in his year about that. But I think it's been, that was like four or five years ago, right? Three or four years ago? Yeah, that was a long time ago. That's when I followed most of her shit.

I don't remember off the top of my head anything she said now, but it was, it was usually all the standard lines that like Democrats don't care about you. Everybody's just using fewer vote. You need to jump off the plantation and start voting conservatives, Republicans. These are the guys that are going to save us, the good work ethic, blah, blah, blah, usually shit like that. Right. Have you seen Tariq Nashid?

A little bit, yeah. That dude is actually crazy. Oh, man. That's our boy. That's your boy? Yo, I would love to set up, like, for y'all can just have a debate. I just talk. You see, look, like, you know, like, as of lately there has been, it's kind of, like, demonization of, like, white liberals.

Now, do you feel like, that's fair, or do you feel like people? It's totally fair. I wouldn't even call it white liberals. I said white progressives. They went way too fucking far on a lot of things. Gotcha. Like, it's so weird. There's a guy called Noah, Noah Opinion, on Twitter.

And he tweeted this out, and I vibed with this really hard. And he said, like, six or seven years ago even, it was, like, the radical, like, coastal liberal elite was a guy that wanted, like, legalized marijuana, gay marriage, and, like, criminal justice reform and, like, more welfare. That was, like, the radical liberal elite. But these days, it's, like, you believe every white person is a colonizer. Like, your kid can be trans when they're two years old.

You're, like, it's just, like, it's so much wilder where the opinions have gone that it's, like, Jesus Christ, yeah. Right. But how does the left stop that from sort of becoming like the primary narrative about what they are? You know, because I feel like that's kind of the problem when me or you says that we consider ourselves mostly on the left is that to a lot of people in like the fresh and fit audience. They just take that to mean like the worst possible extremes of people on the left. I mean, I try. First of all I don't call myself a centrist ever.

I am far left. I would consider myself always say that. So I like to stake that position out. And then I like to make you think that like you can be far left enough. be a fucking lunatic. But it's hard not to because so many people are. But it's, I always blame everybody else for everybody else's problems. Like, the reason why the left, like,

the reason why the right went as far as I did is because of the left, but the reason why the left is running as far as it is because of the right. That Trump shit is fucking wild, dude. This motherfucker is calling Georgia up trying to like find the perfect number of votes to flip the state. And he's like got nuclear documents in his fucking basement for months while the FBI should are trying to get it back.

This motherfucker is wild. And that's what's crazy to me about having all these rappers come out of the closet now and be like, I would vote for Trump. Academics just said it. Wack was just saying it. The baby said it. It was considered super controversial for Kanye to say it.

And now rappers and people in hip-hop can say it and nobody bats an eye. Where to me, the case has been proven so much more obviously than before that Trump is not mature enough to basically be in the position of having all that power. And it's like somehow I'm supposed to like look at the stock market. and be like, oh, well, like, gas is more expensive right now. So I should, you know, regret having voted for Biden. No, so, you know, so what I think, again, it's kind of like the Romania argument, where it's kind of like this shit is corrupt,

but we all have access to participate in corruptness, right? And, you know, I feel like that's what kind of like act and whack and other saying, right, is listen, you know, we got a shit to the money right now. You feel I mean? Like, if Trump, when it comes back, and give some breaks to the elites and you know, right, you know,

and help us finagle the system a little bit. Fuck, and let's do it, you know. So, you know, it's kind of like this shit is already corrupt as is. Trump just symbolizes, you'll listen, he's going to open up the corruptness to more people. Destiny, what are the best, most concise arguments

to use against somebody who is, you know, objectively a low-information voter who has decided that, like, the cultural tide has put them into the arms of Trump. You always have to find out why people are voting that way. That's like the important one because the way that people get there is going to determine how you try to get them back or at least make them think a little bit differently.

So it's going to be way different depending on the voter. Right. But like when you, because to the average person, I don't think Wack 100 or the baby could really like articulate Trump's policy decisions that they support. No, of course. It's a personality thing. They see him as being an unabashed man. male individualist, capitalists, like themselves, and they resonate with that, and they don't

get that from Biden, who is essentially a reanimated corpse. Well, so, like, you'd vote for Trump, right? Again, right, for me, like, my, like, I guess, like, vote for Trump, Trump, like, would probably be, listen, I can't tell you, like, detailed policies. I can just tell you that, that, you know, I don't need a policy. I understand. Most people don't give a fuck, yeah. But, again, right, but for me, like, life was just easier, you know, four years ago.

Do you know anything about, like, the Central Park Five? Yeah. How do you feel about Trump and that? Really? Again, right? At that time, pretty much everybody thought... Not, I'm pretty sure he still defends it. Didn't he write an article defending that like fucking 20 years later or some shit?

Yeah, he held on for dear life with that. What about the Obama birthism shit? Do you really mean that's crazy? Is that a good person? Somebody who holds on for dear life to the idea that Obama wasn't born in America when he knew. He absolutely knew. I feel like that's what people mess up, right? So like...

Because I don't think that those are terribly convincing arguments for somebody like Wack. Like to say like, oh, he did something 20 years ago that was fucked up because somebody like Wack is saying that about himself. I did fucked up shit 20 years ago. I was a criminal. I was a gangbanger. I did all this fucked up shit. So they kind of like that about Trump that he has such a fucked up past.

Yeah, because they... And the fact that he doesn't feel any kind of guilt about it because they relate to that. Yeah. again, right, like we all know Trump Trump isn't a good guy. Like, that's clear. But I feel like, for example, like most of us, like we can't go into like foreign policy

and tell you policies, right, but I can walk down the street and see gas is $8.00, you feel me, right? So, you know, so just how my life was affected now, maybe Biden got the shitty end of the stick. You feel me, took over, you know, like a shitty situation, but life was just easier when Trump was in the office. So, you know, so most of us just going

back to what we know. And that's just like the lowest information policy. I don't like to call it that. I don't like I don't like I know it's not useful to say that. Because some people that will be their the start and end of their engagement with politics is economics. Right. And if you have shitty jobs like unemployment was really low under Trump. The economy was obviously like taking off before the coronavirus kind of detonated everything. Right. So yeah, I mean like I can understand some people's engagement and stuff like that. The only thing I would point to is that like it's hard because people are feelings about it. So it's hard to look at numbers. But like if you look at like the year is preceding Trump under Obama like shit was all headed in the same. direction. Like it's not like shit was like fucked and then Trump came in and like boosted everything like Stuy was going up up up up up up like you can look at all the markets from 2008 up to when Obama was out of

office then when Trump came into office and it's just like a steady climb the entire fucking time like But people will feel like under Trump things changed and it got so much better It's like man that shit was happening before Trump I didn't pretty sure the I think we were posted all time highs again like 2013 or something under Obama and then they just kept climbing and climbing and climbing I just like find it really hard to Have the Trump conversation with people where it seems like their support of him like the reasons for supporting him or so abstract. Well, it's a very emotionally driven thing and you have to be able to meet with people on an emotionally driven level. Otherwise, yeah,

you see her an argument like, well, what about when what about when Trump went to North Korea and legitimately, Kim Jong-in on the foreign state? You're like, no one is a fucking shit right there, though. Listen, again, are people not even like pro-Trump? They're just anti-Biden. And people are so numb to like, you know, okay, like the Mexicans

are rapists and killers thing, which was really kind of, in my opinion, sort of taken out of context or used in like an unfair way against him. Like, I don't think I don't think that argument will ever work on anyone. It's completely useless to bring that up. Not to mention when he said the very good people in Charlottesville, how there's good people on both sides.

That shit was misrepresented. But it was misrepresented. No, it wasn't because he was very direct. Like if you watched the entirety of the clip, that he was talking about how there were legitimate just Republicans there, like conservatives there. That there wasn't, not every conservative was carrying a tiki torch. I think that what Trump represents for people,

for black people, white people, anybody, I think is you kind of have the establishment which is like all the shit. And for some reason, whatever reason, it feels like over the past 10 years a lot of people have kind of gotten fuck. Whether it's true or not, it feels that way.

You have that feeling. And then you can vote on one of two people. You've got one guy who's like, I'm part of the establishment and I'm going to make your life better. And especially if you're black or certain minorities, you've heard that shit your whole life. And then you've got another guy who's like, the establishment is fucking bullshit.

Like, let's blow it up together. Exactly. You know what? I fuck with that. And that's the mentality, I think, of a lot of Trump voters. So when you come out them and you're like, well, don't you think he's really rude on Twitter? It's like, yeah, I think he is.

I kind of like that, actually. Well, don't you think he's making a lot of trouble, you know, overseas? Like, I've never been overseas. I don't have a passport. I don't give a fuck. I think at the end of the day, it's that, like, you know, it's like this anti-establishment. It's like, this guy's here.

He knows it's all bullshit. We know it's all bullshit. at least he's saying it's bullshit you know and you've got like did he make some comments about like Mexican judges and whatever shit hole countries yeah sure but liberals say that shit too they just say when the camera's off fuck them all you know

I think that's like the general feeling for Trump and that's why you can't come at it with like well what about his tax policy and it's like motherfucker I don't even get earned income I don't even file taxes I don't talk about his tax policy I don't give a fight I think that's the issue you have to meet people where they're at for why they vote on the things you know no you know like he's not wrong wrong right like

it gets also too like why like black folks like would never for Biden. It's, for example, like, shit like the Asian, you know, hate crime bill, right? Bro, like, and he promised, again, and he promised niggas a bunch of stuff, right? He, you know, he gave us lofty dreams, came into office, they didn't give us shit, you feel me? So, like, at this point, like, I think Biden would never get the black vote again, you know? No shot.

I think old black people love Biden. Yeah. I think they do. Young stuff is different, but I think old black people love Biden. Do you think that should we be angry about, the government forgiving student loan debt.

No. That's fucking complicated, man. You're really... I thought this is... I think you guys talked to rappers and shit. I don't know. It's coming here for detail

policy analysis. I think if they did it is probably did it one of the best ways they could. They tried to keep it so that like, you know, you had to earn

below a certain amount of money to get some loan forgiveness, that's fine. Right. Personally, if you're going to give $300 billion dollars in American people,

I wish it was targeted like working class people, single mons, shit like that. That's where I would want to see the money go. Right. But I mean, you know, fuck it.

If you make people get whatever. The thing was, it was the only thing he could do. He didn't need support from Congress to do it. And it's probably an easy way to get, you know, more support, votes and shit. Fuck it. I'm not, like, hugely opposed to it. That's hard for me to figure out how I feel about that one. Because it kind of seems like bullshit.

Like, it's just going to, like, an arbitrary percentage of the population that went to college and doesn't include all the people who probably would have gone to college if they had access to that money. Yeah, that's always the issue. is that like, because there's this huge fucking rumor on the internet. It's perpetuated everywhere. You get a college degree and all you go and work at Starbucks and blah, blah, bullshit, dude. College degrees are worth their way to fucking gold in the United States. They're still worth it.

Maybe not if you go out of state to some fucking $200,000 degree for, you know, some bullshit. But you go to a state school, you get a degree. It's like a $20,000 a year median difference in earnings between high school and college. It's like $36,000 versus like $58,000 a year. Over a million dollars, like over a lifetime of earnings from a college degree. Like, they're still worth every fucking penny for them. So yeah, like people But but but

Then when we give those people like all the fucking money like oh here you go Student loan forget it's like well this motherfucker's fine dude he just got a degree This guy's gonna go off and do shit in life he doesn't need the money make him pay shit back who cares Give the money to the dude that's fucking working so much he can't fucking go to school where he can't afford to send his kids to school or whatever like fuck give the final way to give these money But again like the majority of people who are currently let's say at the bottom They are there you know primarily due to poor you know due to poor you know due to poor you know to poor, you know, like choices. So if you're given, you know,

those people there who, you know, have made a bunch of bad decisions, what would give them $20,000 to? I don't know. Maybe they'd make some better decisions with it. Here's the issue that I have with poor decisions. This is one of the biggest things that fucking switched my life when I got wealthy. Yeah. Okay?

There's a feeling when you're poor that everything that can go wrong will go wrong. And it always feels like that, like fucking Murphy's Law. Everything that can get fucked up will get fucked up. And it's always the worst shit in the world. And you know what I noticed when I started paying more attention when I got wealthy? The same amount of shit goes wrong It just doesn't fucking matter because I can make problems go away really easy If I got a fucking speeding ticket I pay it if I at my tire whatever I fucking do it who the fuck cares?

Like I can handle anything where I skip a bill whatever I'll just pay twice whatever who cares You wouldn't be okay with your girl hanging out with ten close guy friends overnight at a house right? No, absolutely not Yeah even if you trusted her Yeah, absolutely not Because if people are in environments where they can make bad decisions It's just why take the race? I really don't think my girl's gonna be tempted by the 10 dicks.

I'm in his bubble around. Okay, fuck you. I'm in his world right now. Okay, fuck you. But I'm just saying that like we recognize in so many areas in life, you know, your mom and dad, I don't know if they ever said this to you, but like, I always heard that like, you are who you hang around. Yeah, of course. Right? Garbage in garbage out.

We know that our environment affects us. Then when you put people in shitting environments, yeah, of course they make bad decisions because that's all they have around them, right? Yeah. You know, you're like teen pregnancy rates and shit. and shit. Like you can't like if you go to like private schools and shit, you don't have time to even get pregnant because you're fucking you got a sport that you're doing after school. You got after school clubs extracurriculars. Everybody's parents is watching everybody breathing on your back, whatever. Like you can't even you can't even have the option to make those mistakes unless you really fuck up. Whereas another community is not the same. So I don't know what the money needs to go to maybe to like some sort of funding for like better schools or better um houses or whatever the fuck. But like I don't like that the idea like oh poor people just make a bunch of dumb decisions. Like everybody makes dumb decisions. Like everybody makes dumb decisions. Like more or less, you're kind of constrained to the environment around you. And it's not like poor people are exceptionally retarded. It's just that when you're poor,

you've got way shorter of a leash to fuck up on before, like, the consequences are, like, there to bear. I have a question. What do you think is going on in Jesse Lee Pearson's head? Like, I was watching an interview last night. Yeah. Interview you. And it's, like, one of the most baffling things I've ever seen in my life.

I don't know, man. Maybe that guy's had a lot of... What? Fuck now if he did have a stroke, I don't want to... Now I don't want to say that. And then now it sounds really bad. Well, let's just generalize and say that he seems like he's definitely been through some shit. Yeah, I don't know. He's on another world.

He seems happy. I've never seen an interview style like that before where he just sort of like. The sarcasm kind of. Just like over and over and over asks you questions. And it's like he basically completely ignores your answers for the most part. And we'll just casually transition between topics. It was mind-blowing. Now, now, do you-

Amazing. Amazing. Now, do you feel it's kind of ironic? I guess he was like harping on you being with men, but then, you know, the new accusations, well, none of the accusations don't work, right? Guys who are just outright out of him right now? Do you feel like that's kind of ironic or do you feel like that kind of factor into why he had an issue with you? I didn't follow that.

Was that actually real? Yeah. I read the Daily Beast article. I haven't kept up on it or anything, but it seemed, when I read the article, I was pretty fucking convincing. Like, why are there, like, 12 dudes saying this or whatever? I thought I read that they were all part of some really weird religious group. But I don't know.

Oh, really? I could be making that out. I read a couple of weird things about the people who were involved, so I didn't know. But maybe if it was, it's kind of funny, I got it. He asked me to be on a show a long time ago, and I think I just ignored him. And then I watched you on his show, and I was like, fuck, maybe I missed an opportunity on there. Like, would you consider that, like, the performance that you put on there? It was like, that's almost like a troll, right?

Like, you go on there, and you almost, like, acted oblivious the whole time to how ridiculous he was being. But then it sort of cracked, and you started, like, acknowledging that he was acting like a fucking psychopath. I'm glad you have that opinion of me. What? I was actually oblivious for like the first half and it took me

the first half to realize because I didn't done any background on him some guy wanted me coming was like oh sure whatever I didn't realize how fucking weird it was but then I started to figure out like here if he was like okay I think this and I think my second

and third and fourth times like interacting with him or doing his debates whatever I was like more alright Jesse like unless I see what we're doing I felt like you were like trolling as a normie where you were like kind of like going out of your way to like smile

and just like appear real attentive and like oblivious to like how bizarre this was yeah well I mean always try to be polite initially even if somebody was so I'll be like yeah cool okay dude but from the very beginning and I mean obviously you're in the middle of the fucking hurricane while this is happening it's like easy for me to like look at it from the

outside but from the very beginning when he's just like basically like demeaning you for playing video games it just seems so insane I mean old people hate video games maybe he was just a normal old guy I don't know wait how old is that guy like 60s right isn't you like I don't know actually

what question what's your thoughts on reparations My thoughts in reparations always been like If there was some contractual obligation To some families or some groups of people I think the U.S. government should honor that But then pass that as way too much of a fucking nightmare I even begin to sort that shit out Yo, I will definitely love a debate with you

And Tariq Nashid in reparations But that'll be pro or auntie? He's pro, but he thinks that they should only be given To FBAs, aka foundational black Americans So basically like you should be able to trace Your family lineage back to a certain date in American history which I find that kind of interesting

I'm not sure what the argument against it is Yeah yeah right so you know I think you said it's like 250,000 Is the bare minimum to like all like FBAs And then like they get into like the land grab You know and things like that But Tarik does this hilarious thing where like if something bad Happens to someone in the media

Like if something happens where a black person looks bad He will basically like weigh in in the comments Or on Twitter or whatever to let you know that they were not a foundational black American, that this was done by somebody who was an immigrant of some sort. Like the key bang, like the solution, the end destination of every conversation with Tariq Nashid is that somebody is or is not an FBI.

And it is mind-blowing. Okay. Yo, listen, why do white folks do that? Like, if you're Irish and like the, you know, and like the Swedish people are out here wild. Listen, that's not us. That's, you know, those motherfuckers. I think to a lot of white people

It seems kind of obvious to us How crazy identity politics are Because we are not allowed to do Any of the things that other races are allowed to do Like you're just not you're not allowed to be proud of being white Right So it seems kind of like absurd to us We got like St. Patrick's Day I guess you want to do like

Right but that's very specific yeah Like white as a whole is just You can't be proud of that Well would you say that black power And white power or Equivably I guess stupid right Well they definitely have different branding.

Yeah. If somebody says black power, I'm like, that's kind of cringe, but if somebody says white I'm like, right. We all know whether, you know, they are the opposite of each other, but they mean very different things. They're associated with very different groups of people, right? Like most of the people out there saying black power, when it really came down to it, right?

Right, but you would probably assume that you would be able to get along with them, right? Whereas like, well, okay, but regardless of that, like, the guy's saying white power, you could almost certainly assume that they're not somebody you'd want to share an Uber pool with, right? Look, for example, like, I would much rather hang out with less like a Nick, Nick, like, Fonters.

You're a closet racist. Opposed to like a, right? Opposed like a random Hebrew Israelite on the side of the street screaming black power, right? So, you know, so to me is, it's definitely, it's definitely like the, like, same level of, like, fuckery, but, like, for some reason, like, white folks don't really, like, try to, you know,

hold in on that, you know, like, wait, hold up now, but, like, We can't attack any, like, trans, black, any of that shit is, like, off limits. You just kind of have to sit there and worship them. Yo. And do you think that trans stuff is, you know, like, do you think that transsexuals are, like, I guess, mentally ill? Well, I guess it depends on. I would say, no.

Okay. I mean, there's something going on, but, like, are gay people mentally ill? Gay probably not, but to, like, be born as a man and say, I just feel like a woman, right? you know, there's something going on there, though. Yeah, probably, yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, but I mean, the question is like, well, how do you treat it or whatever? Yeah, exactly.

And it seems like changing the brain is really hard, so you change the body instead. Mm-hmm. I agree. Yeah. I mean, I just don't know. Like, I don't think that they're, I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of people who are mentally ill that are trans. But I don't think it's definitive. No.

No, I feel like the basis, though, of that, right, of being born and feeling like you're in a body that's not yours and feeling like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're. the opposite sex, there's, like, that's an abnormal, sorry, abnormality, right? Yeah, the problem is that, like, all of these words are so, like, normatively loaded. Yeah, like, as soon as you start calling it, like, it's abnormal to be gay. That is true, as you're very far off the norm if you're gay.

But, like, people associate abnormal or mental illness are, like, wrong or evil. Yeah, good. So, like, insuffire if somebody says, like, oh, well, I think that being trans is in a way, it's, like, a mental illness and you, like, treat it with, like, hormone therapy or surgery. I guess if you want to say it that way, you could.

Although people would argue that, like, well, even once you're treated and you feel happy, you're still trans, you still have a quote-unquote mental illness. So some people would just call like gender dysphoria, the mental illness, which is that the really bad feeling of not having your body match your brain. But yeah. I think it's this still, right? Like we, again, like for any other, I guess, like mental illness, like we wouldn't

like promote and, you know, like encourage people to go deeper down into the rabble hole, right? Man, we're really just hitting every deep. Do you want to talk about like Iraq or Afghanistan? Like we're just going to every fucking time. Now, we're almost done. We're almost done. So here's the way that I'm describing it. Okay.

So somebody will look at. at a trans person and they'll say, okay, you think you're a woman, even though you're a man. I think you're delusional, and I'm not going to do surgery on you because you think that. And then they'll be like, well, what do you mean? And so this is a feeling I have. And so I'll say, okay, well, let's compare you to somebody that has, like, bulimia or anorexia. If somebody was anorexic, we wouldn't give them, like, pro-dieting tips that they could only eat 200 calories a day.

We would say, you're wrong. You need to change your anorexia. You're having problems. Or if you're bulimic, we wouldn't give you, like, teeth guards. You can vomit and protect your teeth all the time and give you a safe room to throw up. and we'd say you need to stop throwing up. So why for the trans person do we say, well, we're going to give you surgery

so that you can be trans just like you want to be, right? So the complicated issue, and we still don't know the answer, so when you look at a bulimic person, you look at somebody with like an eating disorder, this is a person that we can comfortably say is delusional. Now, when I say delusion, I'm talking in the psychologist's term, a delusion is a fixed belief you have

that will not change regardless of external evidence. So when you take some of these people, five, six women who weigh, 80 pounds and looks at herself in the mirror and she thinks she's still fat. That's a delusional thought. Your anorexia or your bulimia stemming from the delusion that you're fat even when you're skin and bones. Now, if we look over the trans person, it's tempting to say that you're, so you want to be a woman, but you're a man. You're a male to female trans person. You have a delusion that you are a woman trapped in a man's body. But the complicated part is there might

actually be an underlying fact of the matter that they truly are, for whatever reason, whether it was environmental stuff, whether it was in the womb or genetics, that their brain is sexed oppositely from the body. In which case, if they feel like they have like a woman's brain in a man's body, it's not actually a delusion in the same way that the bulimic or the anorexia person has delusion. It's a true fact that their brain is sex differently in their body. Now, why that happens, or if that's the case, is hard to say. People have, like, cut into people's brains and they're dead, and trans brains look a little bit different than cis brains. They don't look 100% the same as the gender that they identify with, but they do look different.

But it might be the case that there is an underlying fact of the matter that they actually do have a different gendered brain, in which case, well, fuck, if we can't change the brain, then we change the body with drugs, basically. But that's a really complicated, yeah, argument to dive into you. Yeah. Did you watch that What Is a Woman documentary? Fuck, not yet. I did. Oh, yeah? I was a daily wire subscriber for, like, one day, so I could watch that.

road. Okay. How was it going down the dark hole? The dark stuff. It was pretty fucking stupid

honestly. It's like watching like Borat or it's like he like goes around and just talks to all these dumb people and just like gets them to say

to like he like confuses people and some of it yeah it's like gender studies professors who are like incapable of having like a reasonable

discussion about like he does he's making a fair point but it comes off as so like mean and like just stupid like I don't know he has like a fucking piece of shit

you can see you watch his Twitter shit that would be a fun guy to debate. He's another guy that like masquerades as an intellectual, but you can tell he would never have a challenging conversation because he would fall apart immediately. Like right out the gate he like says some shit like just calls the somebody

dumb or something and I'm like oh okay that's like going to be the tone of this documentary they're not going to be like try to be like subtle and presenting their opinion. I also hate that like this gets into there's a whole like philosophy of language that you can talk about I hate that the question is presented so

obviously like what is a woman you can't answer when it's like language is really complicated. And I could look at things that are far simpler and never get a positive answer for me. So, for instance, if I would ask, like, what is a table? There's a lot of different types of tables. There's tables that could be chairs.

There are tables that might have four legs. There's tables that might have no legs. There's this type of legs. Like, even for something as simple as a table or a cup or whatever, it's really hard to define these things. But when you say woman, that could mean a lot of different things, depending on what, you know, you're talking about.

And you were the first person that I actually heard speak until about that, about the fact that what a woman is is actually a more complicated question than just, you know, what is a biological woman, an adult, whatever. Not, like, a woman is just an adult female, right? It's just, I don't know if we always engage like that with the word. So, like, so here's, like, these, okay, I'm not trying to convert anybody on transship. Of course, it was. But, like, here's just some things I think about, okay? If I were to ask you, what's the between a woman and a man, right?

You might. What criminalism? Yeah. I'm glad you said that. You would say that. But you've never seen a white chromosome in your life. Yeah, that's true. And you've never tested chromosomes from your life. That's true. But you still met people that you're really confident are women. And some people might take a step back or they might try to be more clever. And like, okay, well, vagina's and breasts, right? But if we walk through a store, that's not how we're determining gender. Usually when we're determining gender, it's on clothes and hair and hair. Like, these are the big things or like jewelry or stuff like that. And that has nothing to do with gender. There's no reason why women have to have smooth legs and men don't. There's no reason why women have long hair and men don't. There's no reason why women wear dresses and men don't. And I'm not trying to say that like, you know, because somebody's already typing the conversation.

Well, you can tell from the distribution of fat, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, there are ways you can tell. But like, it's not 100%. I'm just saying that when we determine what we think a woman or a man is, we're not looking at chromosomes, generally, socially speaking. And we're not even looking at sex organs, generally, socially speaking. But we still seem comfortable saying, like, who is a man or who's a woman. And then you see on, like, fucking Twitter, some of these, like, femme boys and shit, these people post shit. You would never know this was a fucking guy unless you knew what the account was like femboy 69, 69 or whatever.

I'm just saying that when you engage with these questions, whether you're pro-trans or anti-trans, that's fine. I would just say language is really complicated. And the topics of like, what is this or what is that, these are really, really hard questions to ask and answer. And anybody coming at you with like a what is X and expecting a very simple, even like adult human female is in a way a tautology

and that you're just saying like one is one. Well, like, oh, a female is a woman and a woman is a female, thanks. These are synonyms in the fucking dictionary. Like, that's not answering a question. That's not what you're getting at, you know? But I would just say that, like, if you want to engage, if you want to be transphobic, okay, be transphobic, but don't pretend you're being an intellectual when you're like, well, you can't tell what a woman is.

Just don't engage the topic. If you want to engage with the topic, there's a lot of reading on language. There's a lot of thinking you can do about what it means to be whatever. I would encourage you to do that thinking. Even if you come out and you still don't like trans people, that's fine. At least you can have a more flushed out view of like how we use words and language and everything. Right.

But I watched you reacting to a Vosch debate where they were talking about, like, Agua. Him making the statement, trans women are women. Oh, God. And it was fucking, I hadn't watched that much than him. It was fascinating watching him do this like linguistic gymnastics trying to explain himself and then watching

because he was talking against a guy who like came in, who had written papers about the topic. We read his papers, yeah, I remember before we went into it. I loved that debate so much because I wanted to show my audience like, hey guys, this guy is going to debate Vosch and I want to show you guys how important it is to study for tests. He wrote a paper on this, we're going to read this one.

It was like an 18-page paper, not long at all. And we read the paper before I, reviewed the debate and it was so glad that I could show that positive role model for like why studying is important because Vosch stumbled into every single argument that he'd already presented and countered in that paper and I was like oh Vash is making this the butler argument about like performativity of gender he wrote about this in three paragraphs here so we know exactly what he's going to say and it was so interesting watching him stumble for talking it's like why would you debate a p.d he's like why would you debate a how arrogant do you have to be to think you can get away with it that's some bold shit right there holy I almost I was almost admiring it. Yeah, I was like, damn, dude, good for you, man. I wouldn't do that. I'd be way too scared.

Good for you. Definitely. All right. That seems pretty good. I'm pretty sure we went for a long hour time. You listen. I would say this, man. As a, you know, as a red pill guy, man,

you're, listen, you definitely made, you know, a positive mark on me made, right? He's like a better guy. He's more rational than I thought, you know? That's good. Pretty soon you can be fucking girls that have had 100 face. You're not even to be bothered by. You're like, you know what? Take a sharper point.

It will be good. Enough fact, man. I'm trying to get him in that game for sure. He says 10 inches in girthy. Yeah, man. That's his brand. But he don't believe me, though. Okay.

I don't know why. It is kind of hard to imagine. You do porn. You can't just show him? Yo. Yeah. In my game, you show him proof. Yeah, listen, though.

I offered him, though, to, like, find, you know, the badest. Like, for example, Skybre can definitely see it. Okay. She can't photograph it. She could just look at it. she would have to like get it hard right so she could look no okay I'm not allowing her to touch it okay he's talking about a girl that we manage sure right yeah the baddest girl probably you know anyway okay okay our next scene's gonna be with I guess yeah yeah it's coming soon destiny appreciate

you coming on yeah thanks family it's been fun destiny is a girl's name true why do you have a girl's name that comment is in every single fucking YouTube video they get a real elaborate with it too I was quoting Jesse. I was trying to do his voice there. Is he still? Because I haven't seen content from him since those accusations. I'm not sure. I don't know, man.

He's got a studio down in, off of, I fucking, I remember the street. It's in L.A., though. Maybe I should tap in with him. Yeah, go drive by. So you got to re-upload the content. You always ask when you go on shows and shit, if you can do that. Oh, yeah. Am I allowed to do that with this one?

I mean, we've never done such a thing before. Give us a window. Yeah. What do you mean by that? Like, of exclusivity. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. But like, what did I see you do it with? Oh, yeah, you did it with his.

Because I probably wouldn't have seen it otherwise. I don't know how about it. I usually ask him before, and like, am I, are you cool to upload it? Because some people super don't care? I'm sure he got a lot of fans from that. And I know if you upload shit of me, you're going to be real disrespectful about it. Cut my name out of it. What?

I'm just going to write, Cuck says. I like that when they put like an explainer of who the person is instead of their actual name. We do it sometimes, too. I watched the video of you on Fresh and Fit arguing with that girl about that disrespectful. And the irony of this. that is that we did only fans for my girls my girls thing after that

so I did bang her like soon after that. Damn. I felt kind of bad though about how aggressive I go. It just seemed like unnecessary in respect. I super disagree. You don't. You were easy on her. But I probably could have came off better if I had just like

because she was like every word she was saying was like making her point make less sense. Like I could have just kind of like sat back and like let her walk into the trap. I feel like. title. Yeah, super entitled. It was like very much pretty girl that's never been told no about anything in her whole life. Because there's like so many different

ways. I'm pretty sure you are right. You always look better if you're more chill. Right. It's taken me a long time to learn that. Right. Because it's fun to go in on somebody. But she definitely, there were like 32 different ways that she could have approached that. Well, you probably would have been more chill. Like I imagine you could have a joke like oh man, you cut me out of the clip or whatever. And like

joked about it instead of this like, you didn't have me back. You disrespected me. My biggest thing is I hate when people act entitled about coming on here. Yeah. And like it happens all the time where people do an interview and like six months later they were like, we're going to do another interview. And I'm thinking like, I probably don't want to do another interview with you for like at least like a couple years and maybe if like something significant happens in your career. And you're asking me

like three, four months later like this is insane. I do not operate this way. And so that's, that's what she did. She just like assumed that I like wanted to have her back over and over. And honestly like with us doing so much more content in here and like, like, having different hosts and stuff, we could probably do more shit with her. But, like, she was just, like, acting like, I don't know. At the time, she really pissed me off. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even think, like, she's somebody who would be, like, great to even, like, talk to, right?

Like, for example, like, outside of, yes, I'm hot, I fuck, man, like, what would she have to offer in terms of her views on worldly? Kiki Kluke. IDK. I don't know. What is she talking about? What's her platform? Yeah, I've never seen a video of Kiki. he's speaking other than that she's a cool girl though okay well hey me shout out to kiki yeah i'll

fuck with her i banged her you fucked with her ain't you fucked real real proud of myself nice devious all right i appreciate you guys yeah yeah destiny flaco no jumper coolest podcast on world check us out on youtube ticot patreon instagram etc like comment and subscribe nojumber dot com if you want to support see you guys on reddit please