No Jumper - The Don Magic Juan Interview

Episode Date: August 30, 2019

Shout out to our presenting partner Bluechew. Visit Bluechew.com and get your first order free when you use promo code Adam22. Just pay $5 shipping. Pimp-turned-preacher Bishop Don “Magic” Juan stopped by the No Jumper podcast to talk about some of his past memories from the streets and how he was saved then chosen to spread a positive message help his community. --- 1:39 Relationship with Snoop 2:30 Rappers lying about pimpin 4:41 Being the #1 Pimp in the country 13 years in a row 8:03 Viagra 10:52 Prostitution under the radar 14:11 Godly vision 15:55 Being saved and joined Bible school made headlines 19:26 The dangers of the streets 19:36 The dark side of pimpin 24:07 The pimp/worker dynamic 27:31 Extra tricks 34:13 Selling "relations" in 2019 38:44 A day in the life of Don Juan 39:59 Getting into the adult industry? 45:22 Getting away from pimpin and movin on 48:09 Staying energetic at 67 years old and spreading his message 50:11 Changing Snoop's life and being close friends 54:49 Rapper's lifestyle and moving carefully 59:56 Entrepreneurship, new book and new events 1:02:44 Threesomes? I did "seventh-somes"! 1:03:23 Don Juan's poem --- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No, Johnbert, coolest podcast on the world. And today I am here with the legendary Don Magic Juan. How you feeling, bro? Hey, it's Dea Green for the money, go for the honey. Pimp's up. And y'all do know the rest. We do know the rest. But I think it's a very, very important thing for the culture that we reconnect and everything. I mean, you're, I know you have your whole storied career and everything in the streets, etc. But I feel like I came to know of you with Snoop Dog, what, was that 10, 15 years ago? you sort of had like a resurgence in the public eye. Take me through that time period. Well, what you are speaking about is, really, I first met Snooping something like 96,

and that was in Atlanta during the time they were having what they considered the freakneck. Freak neck, legendary, freaky party thing in Atlanta. So, you know, I met him then, and then I seen him in Chicago. Where you're from, right? Yeah, at a concert. And he's seen me in the audience and he told his Uncle Junberg to bring me in the back, went in the back, smoked with him and we talked in thing. He came to Chicago another time and he had the Muslim to bring him to where I was hanging

at on the west side of Chicago. Okay. At a barbershop and he came up there and fellowship with us, got his hair cut. And he said, man, do you ever come to, you know, California, you know, look me up, you know. So in 99, I came to California. As a matter of fact, we was on the same plane and landed together. And from 99 and up until now, it's been, you know, a fellowship. I've become a spiritual advisor.

Why was Snoop so drawn to you? What do you think started that relationship? He's obviously incredibly busy. He's got planning of money. He doesn't really have to make new friends, but he was drawn to you. What do you think it was? Well, it's the thing that draw most people to what was considered my situation as being a pimp. you know, men as well as women, they're fascinated by that.

And for him to have an opportunity to truly bump shoulder and to meet one that was considered a real one was really fascinated because he was very impressed with that kind of life. And, you know, most rappers are because, you know, that's why they say I'm hip-hop, because most rappers sing about the cars, the clothes, the jury, the women's, the homes. And, you know, that's what, you know, a pimp was really all about. A lot of rappers literally talk about being pimps all the time. And we as the listeners know that they're either lying or they're exaggerating. And maybe they've done a little bit of dirt in their day, but they're not really someone who lived a game for decades like yourself. Well, one thing about it, like I say, it's a fantasy. You know, like a lot of them rap about gangston, they haven't did any gangster.

So it's a fantasy is just lyrics, you know. And you got some like IAT that had really lived that life. You know what I mean? And, you know, Snoop herself had indulged in it at one time, you know. But it was something that he knew it wasn't what he wanted, you know. And, you know, he contended in his married life, you know. I think it's just such a fascinating business for a lot of people to even think about because it's so hard for them to wrap their head around the idea of taking on that lifestyle.

Never mind to be able to do well for yourself for a long period of time doing that because it just feels like something that most people probably don't last very long trying to do, right? Well, depending on the situation, the people, you know, it's different stroke for different folks. Where it's been times that, you know, guys that pimp brought drugs into their gang, which was considered a no-no. Most of them thought maybe if they gave it to the girl that they could hold them longer by getting them sprung out on them. But once they got sprung out on them, the female, she would leave and go to the dope dealers. No need to have the pimp. So he was really losing his girl. And I always tell guys, you know, don't put that dope in their brain.

Or you're going to lose your game. So you're saying that once the prostitutes get addicted to drugs, that's when everything gets real, real complicated and it doesn't work out? Well, that's when it becomes really complicated to a way there's no understanding. They take no directions. they're Bolivian most of the time. I mean, it don't make good in a pimp's game. You know, like I said, most guys tried, you know, because, you know, some guys get hooked on it themselves.

But, I mean, for pimping, it's not part of his game. Yeah. But you, have you been privy to the game since before? Drugs were really a factor? Yeah. I would consider the number one pimp in the country in 1972. Wow. I was the number one pimp in the country.

for 13 years in a row. And that's considered an historical number. How did they rank that kind of thing? Well, it's just by criteria every year about your car, your clothes, your jury, your woman, you know, your characteristics. Even in 72, they were, who was doing the voting or the nominations for this sort of thing? It did by the top flight pimps around the country. They take a vote, you know, like I could call over to New York and say, hey, man,

what's happening over there, Slayer? I say, who's making money? Who's the man over there? Then they'll say, hey, man, such and such a. You know what I mean? Rody Mac, he's running in New York now. Then, you know, he'll come to the players ball. You know what I mean?

We had the guy from Hawaii. You know, player ball, 2018, a gentleman from Russia won the player of the year. So they come as far as Russia, London. I'm sketched out by the idea of Russian pimps off the jump because I know they ain't playing by the same. rules that we're playing by those russians they're crazy well one thing about it is you know we we consider you know what i mean by they females you know what they're whatever else they do is another thing but

we judge you by your static with your females your cars your clothes how live years how you putting it down you know what i mean making it happen you know the real deal but back in the day where you it sounds kind of flagrant it sounds like you really weren't worried about getting caught at that time period back in the 70s. Well, one thing about it is they didn't have the laws that they have created now, which is considered, you know, RICO laws where now, you know, they say, you know, a guy getting money off a woman is considered, you know, a problem like earning off a woman. They don't allow it. I said, well, why not? You know, women's can, you know what I mean, earn off for you? But you know what I mean? This is the stigma that they put on you, you know what

mean that they don't think it's right for a lady to give a man some money. I don't see nothing wrong with it. If the lady agreed, like I said, it's by choice, not by force. But when you were in the 70s, they're just, what were your worries in terms of law? It wasn't even concerned that there would be an investigation and you would get busted. That was impossible. No, it wasn't none of that kind of thing. The only time you have a problem like that is you had a problem with your girl where she would go to the police on you and, you know, you'll get something like they,

call a pandering charge or something and possibly, you know, what they consider being white slavery, you know, or, you know, holding somebody against their way. You know, it wasn't much of that going on, really. So police really at that time didn't have a problem, you know what I mean? To arrest you, and it really made a lot of them mad because, you know, you was riding, you know, like myself, Rhodes, Ruses, Cadillet, had houses, you know, the jewelry. And they seen all of these things. But they seen no crime that you would break it, even though they know that the girls was prostitute.

And, you know, if you couldn't, you know, bust them where they was prostituting, you see them. You can't bust them for just walking around in life. Definitely. You know? That's really interesting. Hey, can I ask you a question? Just sort of off topic. You ever tried any sort of like penis pill, any kind of dick pill, like either Viagra or like something from the corner store?

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I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, actually I was here, as long as we're on this topic, I always hear from girls, because, you know, my main association, I just know a lot of the porn girls out here in the L.A. scene and everything like that. So I'm always hearing the horror stories that they have about the dudes that they work with, doing weird stuff. They shoot up their dicks. I'm not sure exactly with what, but they have some stuff that they actually inject into

their penis to make them be able to perform better on camera. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got that, you know, something like that I had cost, you know, from the range to 30, 60,000. You know, a lot of veterans, you know, have it, you know what, you could get this installed it until you. And at a certain time, you can just push some kind of button in it. It just automatically gives you a hard on, you know.

Yeah. And, you know, it has been known to have been affected, you know. I know some guys that have tried it, you know. So it's just another way just, you know, saying you still. want to have sex. Hey, you only got so many years on this point, you might as well make the best of them. Do what you can. You know, I just think anything you run out of, you should have been indeed the best you could before that happened. Do you think that the cops didn't care so much about the prostitution issue back in the day because the world hadn't really figured out like international

sex trafficking in the sense? I feel like that's what really pisses them off is like the idea that there's all these girls coming from Russia being sort of enslaved and shipped off to different cities all over America, that that's when they started to really have to do something about it. Well, one thing about it is anything that you know about now been going on from a long time ago, you know, just a lot of stuff being exposed now. And at that time, you know, it was a good time, you know what I mean? Especially in the black community during that pimp, like black exportation movie.

You know, black had a little money then, you know. It was a happy time, you know, and it was the time when, you know, excuse me, officers, you know, would take, you know, five or ten dollars, you know, man, just to, you know, he didn't have no problem about you doing what you did with the girls. He figured it wasn't his business. You know what I mean? She wasn't complaining. So why should he, you know? So it was that kind of, I was very respectful. And I always used to go by the station and take the death sergeant and a whole case of champagne.

You know what I mean? You know, even as a pimp, and, you know, I used to feed the less fortunate. Other pimp used to say, you're going to need that money, man. Why are you doing that? You'd say, I don't know. I just did it, you know what I mean? I mean, back to school for kids, you know, on Easter, buy some Easter basket and give out, Thanksgiving, buy turkeys and give out.

I mean, this was the kind of thing I have been doing for over 45 years. And as a matter of fact, 2019 next Sunday, Labor Day weekend, I'm having the play of picnic where we are giving back to school supplies and book bags to the kids. You know, I believe in giving back, you know, and this is my way to give back. Do you sometimes feel like you are a rare, kind soul in this profession in the sense that it's the type of job that typically most people who go into it don't have the best intentions and that you're sort of like the rare exception to that

and that you came into the game with more of a moral code and you were approaching it for the right reasons? If you're saying that few are called, you know what I mean? You know, like I said, many have called. Few are chosen. Yes, I feel that I am a chosen one. I feel that deeply than where you've spoken. I have felt that for quite a while now.

I mean, and I have been shown that kind of, a vision based on the sort of thing that I do that a normal pimp in that time wouldn't do. So now it's catching up with me to get a better understanding because in 85, God showed me a vision that if I didn't give up that life, that I wouldn't live. He showed me that something drastically was going to happen to me. Like the police were going to kick the door down or the FBI was going to come, or somebody was going to break in and rob me. It was a vision so strong that I could see it that if I didn't change my life, it was going to be over.

So what happened in 85? God showed me this vision in the apartment and made me realize that he really do exist. I mean, I respected everybody. Wish I had a praying mother. But I was the pimp. I was the number one pimp. You know, I wasn't into it like that. So God showed me experience one night made me believe that he really do exist.

I was trying to watch television one night, and every station I turned to was a religious station. A vandalist was speaking, and no matter why I turned, it just seemed to hit me. And one of the advantages, like he looked at me and said, I'd see somebody who have just been saved. And he was looking dead at me. He wet it. You know, because I didn't know what the experience was happening. I never experienced the power of God. I never thought of it coming into my life, but it told me to get rid of my weed, my PCP, and call the girls and tell them that I don't want them to go on the streets no more. I call the girls and they said, why? I said, I don't know, but God don't want me to do it no more. I called my mother, and I said to my mother, I said, mother, I just been safe. She said, call the preacher. I said, I don't know no preacher. She gave me a number to, preacher of Pastor Sheffey.

This is a true testimony, man. And I called this number. And I said, Pastor Shevri, I've been saved. And he said, I know it. And I mean, it was like, wow, we, it's like somebody was confirming it. Tell me that this was taking place in my life.

And, man, after that, and, you know, the conversion happened here in California. You know, like I said, I'm from Chicago. So in 85, I left California, it went back to Chicago, I joined this Bible school called Moody Bible Institution. It's the number two Bible school in the country. And, man, it's amazing. They took me in.

At first, they wasn't going to take me in. They couldn't understand why would the pimp be walking around in the school, want to join a Bible school? And the lady that registered you, she said, I would have never registered you in this school. She said, I never watched TV on Sunday after church, but I walked into the house and they had the news broadcast on that this Pimp, Don Juan, had given his life to God. It was on the news when you first stopped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, big news and things. You know, I've been on the Oprah Werenfew show and all of that. Yeah, testifying about my conversion, you know.

Yeah, I've been all over the country. I speak in college and jazz and academies and sorority. given the testimony, been there, you know, done that. That's why I become Snoop Dogg spiritual advisor. But is there a certain point where you sort of started to realize, oh, my, the fact that I've lived this life and that I can talk about it and that people are interested in hearing me talk about it, that that is a very marketable thing and that you could, you know, do all the things that you've been able to do where you basically could, you know, without having to take

on the risk of actually living that life, you would be able to go. out and be able to tell people about that life and someone like me, all the, you know, 30 years later would be fascinated to be sitting here having a conversation with you. Is there a time period when that sort of started to occur to you? Well, as amazing it is, it occurred to me as time as I was involved in the game. You know, it was like at times I wanted to retire, but for some reason, the girls wouldn't let me retire. You know, I was always trying to find a way where I could make us, profitable by quitting the gang and it just didn't happen and you know after it happened I considered

a blessing that God it came into my life because you know at a time you know where it was such a conviction to where one of the girls I had without working one day and you know like I said I had girls and I didn't allow to date blacks okay that was the rule well that was my rule because you didn't want them to get them wrapped up with some cool-ass dudes that were going to over their mind, right? Not only that, but, you know, it's more troubling black. It's over-sexual with black. They want more for their money. Sometimes they take their money back. You know what I mean? They do a lot of things sometimes to the girl. So in the end, I didn't want to have

her boyfriend sneaking up on there getting some for free, you know? Okay. So I minimize that. But anyway, the story goes, and this is a true story. She had been with me for something like probably seven, eight years. And she was up there working that evening, and the guy pulled up on her and asked her trying to date, and she refused to date him, and he shot her five times. He shot her twice in the head and the other three in the body and everything.

And this happened right before you decided to stop, or? When this was still doing, you know, the time that I was involved in the Pimp Gang. You know, it's just one of the things that happened. You know, these are some of the war story that really seriously take place in that life. You know, some of the girls really make sacrifice and risk their lives and things for her to make that pimp, you know what I mean, success for her to have what he want to, you know. So she was shot. It was the evening. She was rushed to the hospital.

I knew nothing about it to, you know, I was contact through my sister that is that ticking played. So it was a sister of mine that I always go and bond the girls out, you know, and do the things that I'd be asking to do. So me and her went to the hospital. And here she was, the girl laid up with tubes everywhere. And I mean, barely could move because they shot her twice in the head and the other three shots in the body and one in the thigh or something. And soon as I stepped in, you know, her mother was there and her sister. And she looked up at me and she said, Daddy, I wish I can get up out this bed

and go get you your money. her mother looked at me and a maid and said, what have you done to my daughter? Right. I said, ma'am, nothing. That's just pure dedication. That's how dedicated the female would

in that pimp gang during that error. I mean, I'd had one girl that would get shot in the leg, come home, change wigs. The bully went all the way through. Nurse the womb, tied up and go right back to work. That kind of dedication. A lot of people would hear that. think what did you have them brainwashed or something because what could possibly be important enough

to go and like you know yeah we all need money but it's like if you get if you just got shot in the leg then realistically it's probably a safe time for you to take a little time off right well that's the thing that i'm explaining to you about the dedication these females be that dedication to their man that they're willing to risk their life you know what i mean is that important to her that she see that she do everything possible to make that man number one in that fear. And then when they dedicate it, if it means

debt, because the one thing about it is you couldn't say a female brainwash, because the one thing about it is prostitutes are very intelligent because they have to go in car and go into men's pocket, go up under

the seat, go into the glove compartment, have sex with him, and do all of that by the time they go around the block. You know, and I always say, if a female wants to really leave you, promise me, she will and she can. Because any time a female get in a car and can ride and go spend 10, 15, 20 minutes, and come back, she wanted to come back.

It wasn't by force. It was by her choice. She could have left. But isn't that kind of the whole. game when you're in that business is that you have to sort of you have to create incentives to make these girls fall in line with what you want them to be doing to for them to do unrealistic things that might not be in their best interest like go fuck dudes for money right after getting shot well the thing about it is then you know this is truly in the pimp gang you know

uh some people are so amazed by me saying this but most that involved in the gang I heard about it know it's the true you know One thing about it, you have to create some fear in the female. It's not going to work unless you create some fear in her. She must have some kind of fear of you. And when it comes time, and the thing about it is she's going to try to find out, do you really mean what you say? If you said, I'm going to kill you if you lead a stroll, if you do this,

if you don't get me my money. I never had to fight my girls about getting money. They never had a problem about that. They wanted to do it more than I wanted them to do it. Right. You know. But if you have to. But I wanted to finish it.

But when it comes to that time that you have to check them, you told her you was going to kill her. Do you know you got to whoop her to where she'd think you about to kill her where she would say, Daddy, please don't kill me like you said you were gonna do is get to that rear to what you feel it that she almost at the brink of death and then you do you know that same female will get up

clean up nursing wounds get dressed and go out there and get you the biggest bankroll you ever seen but I think the problem is is that a lot of people see it as immoral to have somebody in your life that is working for you because they're scared that you're going to kill them. Like, that's the part that I got to struggle with because even if you didn't realistically plan on killing them, it just seems like it would be hard for me to wake up in the morning and know that that's the kind of business that I'm running.

Okay, let me explain that statement you just made. And this is true to the game. If you as a pimp, believe me now, it's the truth. This is what some people think is erraty. that if you don't put your hands on her, she don't think you love her. She's going to do everything she can to upset you until you put your hands on her.

Then she's going to believe you love her. If you don't hit her, if you don't scold her, she's going to feel like she being used. Then, see, a woman wants to feel needed and wanted. So if you're just saying, go do that and you don't care about,

nothing she do you ain't checking her for it she feel misused mistreated and not want it she's gonna do something something i don't care if you're the mildest guy in the world she know how to get up under your skin and do something to make you put hands on her and when you do then she's gonna say daddy i love you but is it the line of work that you really are only interested in working with people or with women who have that kind of mentality where they, um, they almost want to be abused as a, as a sign that they're being loved. Like, is it primarily the women that you end up working with? Are they primarily people that have been abused and that they have that sort of miscalibrated in their brain where they feel like abuse is love? No, I wouldn't say that because just like in this profession,

this profession calls for women and women's are in all kind of profession, doctors, nurses, lawyers. And I say and testify that them of that nature have, in some capacity, have been a prostitute. It may be a low

number. And based on what you say, yes, a lot of those have been an abusive family that into prostitution. But then they didn't come into the pimp life to be abused. They came into a

because they wanted something that they fathered in giving them some love. They want that strong male figure. Or they want that luxury life that they see, that golden life they see. You know, they ain't coming in because of that. Because if that was the first intention, then it wouldn't take place. That number would be wild, almost zero percentage like that. You know, you're invited in because of the style, the flag. the flag, the glamour, the excitement.

I told my girls I was taking them to Hollywood, which was their most exciting thing they probably could have heard at that time. And I did that. To have a pimp to do what he's saying he's going to do is the most exciting thing to a prostitute. Let me ask you this, because there's a whole scale from, you know, you could be turning $20 tricks to, you know, I know girls are getting $2,000 an hour to do high-end escorting. while you were in the game, did you mostly gravitate towards one end of the spectrum or the other?

Well, see, the amazing thing about my gang, and I'm glad I was brisked with the gang that I had the number one thief in the country. And in any pimp gang, a pimp won't is prostitute to be a thief. And what I mean by that is, you know, flatbacks is considered those that just prostitute for money,

no stealing, no nothing. And when I had girls, when you come to choose me, you would have to do at least 300 a night. Just starting off if you never did nothing at all. But see, it's so important to have a prostitute that know how to steer because, see, she can go in the pocket, take the money out. She can take the watches off his arm. These kind of things that makes a pimp profitable when he's able to have a prostitute that do these kind of thing.

Yeah, you got some prostitutes that got pimped that's on drugs that just do $100. No, that ain't how the pimp gang go. You got prostitute, and I had prostitutes at some night that might come in with $10,000. But mostly from Robin? No, not robin. Stealing. You know, tricks might have money up under their seat. Right.

In the trunk. A real prostitute going to search the whole car before she let him go if he looked prosperous. They bring home guns, knives, drugs, all kind of things. Because guys have different things. No lease badges, all kind of things. It's like how when you go to a restaurant, they don't make most of their money off of the food. They make most of their money off the drinks.

It's like you're not making most of your money off of the, off of the, where what you're saying is you're not focused on the date. Because you, that's how you get in the door, but then you upsell them, but you don't really upsell them. You just steal the shit.

Your mind already is there to steer. You're using your sex just to get its attention. You're not enjoying this at all. This is a mean, to like put him to sleep to get his mind off of what he's thinking about so that you can continue to search and look

around jury, see anything that's possible that your man would want and bring it back home and give it to him. But this is not where it gets complicated where you guys coming back to kill the girls, shit like that? Well, one thing about it is that had happened but the girls are smart

enough to know to go home change wig, change clothes and go on another stroll. See, the thing about it is when a guy asks me where to stroll at, I said, any way you sit your girl at. Because the thing about a pimp is, he can open and close on any corner when he get ready. So if ain't nothing going on that corner, go down to the next corner. If there's too much heat on the corner here, go over to the next part.

Go to the north side. Go to the south side. They bind anywhere you put your girl. If she qualified, they know how to work them streets and flag them cars. Let me answer to this. Is the game all fucked up now? because if you go to a major metropolitan area, it seems like they're very aware of where people are selling drugs,

where people are selling pussy, and they're smarter now. They're on top of it. They got cameras. They got cops watching those areas. The game has changed a lot, right? Well, the thing about it is, just like it had been from day one, you know what I mean?

They more alert to it, especially when it come time for voting and elections, you know what I mean? Easy to pick on a pimp, easy to pick on a prostitute, easy to pick on a drug dealer, easy to pick on a robber, you know, these things to boot, you know, your political thing, you know what I mean, like that. But, you know, like I said, what we spoke about at one time wasn't even noticed. But it'd become an issue because it's become a political thing with all of this traffic. Not so much as drug traffic, but human traffic.

You know what I mean? And all of the different things that's going on about people like we know, like Art Kelly. And then like the billionaire, everything, all of these things bringing. some harsh attention to, you know, a very sad situation that's been going on a long time. But, you know, like I said, a lot of things are coming to light. The gang is messed up in individuals, you know, different stroke for different folks. And then, like I said, a lot of female has run to the strip club. A lot of females are working Internet websites.

And, you know, a lot of females are doing drugs. There's a lot of different things happen that had deterred the serious pimping. You know what I mean? It's still going on, and it's still going to continue to go on until somebody turn the light out on this small front of it. Because men's going to continue to buy women. They just have to beat some guys strong enough to tell a woman to go. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because some women need teaching, and that need something in life. They want to provide for their family. They want to provide for their kids and don't know how. Most women go out there and they give it away and come home with a sloppy cootie and no money and still need bread on the table and need their rent paid. But the women that go out there and know how to, you know what I mean, open her legs. I had women that were standing in, look, 50 below zero weather and the knee-deeper snow. 50 below. 50 below with a mini skirt on with panty holes with a split in the middle.

seven and eight hours a day selling their bodies. That's how serious that is. It's not like that today. It's so many opportunities. I mean, like I tell the guys today, we got to tell it like it is, okay? Like I tell the guys today, man, they losing by the women.

Women are catching more females than guys are today. Guys are not so concerned about females like they used to be. Some guys now won't transvect than they do women. A lot of women's talking. turning to be living, one women. And, you know, a lot of these things is against the gang. So everybody confused, so nothing really working out, right? They don't need us.

They don't need us like they used to. Well, that's what I'm saying, you know what I mean? Because there's so many opportunities to do a lot of things. Even like when a guy was doing pimping, he had the check of female. Like we were talking about hit her and put his hands on her, you know. But you can't even do that since the OJ day is definitely a no-no. It's like, you know, a murder. fall mode, you know, when it was called really like a mild domestic split you all up a few hours

and that's it. Or say, hey, y'all kids and makeup now, it's become a big thing. You put your hands on a female, you know? I know a lot of girls who basically are making, you know, high five figures, some of them, even six figures a month, off of their private Snapchats, where basically they never have to even leave the house. They don't have to go to the strip club. They don't have to walk down the street. They can be in the house. They hook up. up with other girls, they hook up with their boyfriend, maybe they hook up with some other male porn star they know, whatever, they do it all on their phone. Nobody takes a cut besides, you know, PayPal or some shit. Well, yeah, that's the thing that's going on. Now, you know, people

trying everything, you know what I mean, to make some money and a lot of new doors opening up for them to be able to do such a thing, you know, but all of these things is not like of the Pimp Days when it was such a sorority or secretist. You know, people are not. know like these chick think they get away with talking slick pay pay out me or something like all of this is being documented if the lick get big enough the government will be knocking on their dough you know what I mean so they ain't really doing nothing slick you know I've been through that experience where I was going to buy some drugs like I was buying some lien or something I didn't have any cash on me I'm like shit I'm gonna be right back I'm gonna go to ATM the guy's like what

you don't got Venmo I'm like oh yeah I do have Venmo it was like he he was he clearly clearly sells way more drugs on Venmo through his phone than actual cash. Like he could be out selling drugs all day and come back with no cash in hand. Well, see, but that's how it is. You know what I mean? Like they said, you become your biggest customer. You know what I mean? When you're doing that sort of thing happening, there ain't nothing to show, you know?

Let me ask you this. Do you ever wake up in the morning and just want to put a hoodie on? I feel like your style of dress is like a very big part of the image that is. A hoodie? Yeah. or just, you know, just wear, you know, a t-shirt. Do you get dressed up every day? Oh, I'd be ready, man.

I like to be suited and booted. Yeah, man, I just might have to see somebody outside. And they said, let's go to the wedding. I don't want to say, let's go home and get changed. Let's go. You're ready to go. I like to stay ready, so I don't have to get ready, you know. And the thing about anything, like I did a thing on my social media,

the Don Juan show is consistent. You have to be consistent. You know, a lot of people today are giving up. You know, it's so amazing to me to see so many homeless, and they're not old people, they're not sick people, they're not lame or anything, you know what I mean? Healthy, strong, young people, homeless, you know what I mean? It's something wrong, something going on somewhere here, and, you know, it's a problem, and it just seemed to be growing. I mean, one time we've seen it with elderly people. Now you see so many young people homeless, and not only that, suicidal, hurting.

their self, being bullied into killing their self, and these kind of things, these things that we must fight against, because still, we have to help children. Because I say, I wouldn't want to be a child a day. They're taking all the abuse. I don't know where and why it'd have to be, but most kids are being murdered and killed like

adults have been killed. Most kids are going to prisons and jails like most adults would do. I mean, kids are just, just taking a knocking upside the head and then nobody to be able to rescue and it seemed to be a trend where it's okay for a 16-year-old to go do life in prison. Nobody crying or nothing about it is becoming the norm. We have reversed compassion with love and understanding to believing in sadness and faking and no honesty and loyalty have become the trend.

And people are satisfied with it today. And they don't understand just like the technology of social media. It can hurt like it can help. But folks that are weak and going through things, it seems to weaken them more and more and more because people are going to social media looking for support in their situation. And it's not there. They've become friends with a computer and think it's an individual. Listen, people, that's not a hard there. People are not who they're supposed to be.

So don't y'all fall for that. Church. Church. Preach. Tava knacka. Yeah. Like, what is the day in the life of Magic Don Juan like? Like, what do you concern yourself with these days? Oh, right now, you know, every day, you know,

in the day of the Bishop Don Madwan is an exciting day, man, you know. First I wake up, you know, thank God I wake up mostly around six o'clock or something, you know, like I'm trying to go to work or something, you know what I mean. One time in life, six o'clock, I've never seen it, but so, you know what I mean? There's always 10, 11 or 12, you know. You see six o'clock because he still be up. Yeah, most times, you know what I mean? Yeah, out there with them girls, you know what I mean? Checking that trap and, you know what I mean?

I told the story about this. I bought a van and had it fixed all up, stove inside it, you know, everything, sleeping quarters, all that. And I used to have a Rockweiler. And we used to go on the store and I would crack the one there until the girl dropped the money in there. I wouldn't worry about people trying to break in it because of Rockwire, if you get close to the van, it would be like he eating up the window. You know what I mean? I'll be in the back behind the curtain just chilling. And about five or six, like you said, girl beats the three. do jump in the van.

We rolled on home. Check that paper. Right. You never thought it would get involved in the porn business? Nah, you know, Snoop did some, a video for hustling things. I could have appeared in it, but I wasn't really on it then like that. And, you know, if I did, you know, do some narrating, you know what I mean? I want to make a significant deal for them.

I don't just want to give them the down one without that. I had plenty of opportunity to do that. You know, I know some girls that are involved in that. And also some of the guys and some of the people that run that business, you know, I was friends of, you know, rest in peace, Dennis Hoff that owned the Bunny Ranch. We were good friends. I've been over there a few times. You know, where they have legalized sex.

Yeah, yeah, I would always hear about that. I was a see documentary when I was a kid about that. No, but it just kind of makes sense to me because it's like you were involved in the illicit, illegal side of things for so long. And then at a certain point, it's kind of like, like I interviewed this guy. Oh, God. Oh, like selling weed and then we become legal, not get legal, right?

Yeah. Yeah, you know. You know, like the porn world is like weed now. Yeah, I know what you mean. But I know what to mean being involved in that entertainment part of sexual activity. You know, it seemed like it would be only right. But, you know, just like you said, my life is a different journey. I didn't know what I was going to do

Most guys get stuck in the game You don't know what you're going to do How are you going to survive after that? I didn't know I thank God that he showed me another way Because I didn't know what I was going to do Before you get into what you did in 85 When you stopped pimping

Were you really fucked up off the PCP And how was that affecting your game as a human being It was affecting my game Because my girls I was glad my girls Because we wouldn't, I would say, hardcore PCP. Okay. We would take it, make it in the weed, and then take the weed and put it on weed.

Oh, okay. You know, but, you know, the girls got a list addicted to it. They would go in the icebox, get it, use it and put some water in there and all that. Dip it, you know, with that Sherman stick. They was going too heavy. So it was affecting my game where the cab driver told me, man, I can't take your girl to work. moment. They act too crazy. It was jumping out the car at 60 miles an hour. One of my girls, we went into a liquor store, and she went in the freezer and wouldn't come

out. You know, these kind of things. I mean, and one of my best friends that was a serious pimp. What he did is he parked his limousine and blocked the car wash, went home, told his sister, Don Juan, know where my coat at. and everything, locked the bar, two story now, shot his baby mama with a 45, shot his baby, fed the baby some fruit loop cereal,

and shot the baby with a 357 magnet, blew the baby head off, and then he shot itself in the head. Wait, he did this just because he was so fucked up by the sherman? Off for the PCP. What? You know, because he,

PCP gives you illusionation that you do what you do, but you'll still be there tomorrow, like you do what you do that you ain't did it. It gives you that kind of losing nation, you know. And so... And this is just some guy you knew? No, we've been knowing each other for over 15 years.

We were pimping, buddy. He took me on the stroll the first time I went. Wow. You know, so it was amazing. And they called me, and I got there just that the police were bringing them out. And I went up, I'd seen his shoe, they had him cover up, but I went up in the house and it was like one of them Freda Kruger movie. Blood was everywhere.

But the thing about it is the bullet knocked out the girl. She didn't die. What? The, his girlfriend or wife? She didn't die. So she survived this thing? She survived it. Oh, my God.

And as a matter of fact, she was pregnant. And the daughter just hit me on social media, said if you have any pictures of my daddy that someone let me see him i was pregnant with my mother at the time she got shot i didn't even know that holy shit that must be weird to to know that your father like killed your sister and did all this terrible stuff but it wasn't really him it was just the drugs had him in this state of mind for a period of time he might have been a great guy the rest of his life it did that tell a lot i mean at that era and like i said that's part of that affected my gang and me myself, I didn't do it like that.

You know, I was very modest at it, but it was people around me that were doing it, that you would feel that if I'd have walked in at that time, he might have killed me. You know what I mean? But he had his mind on set up for, I guess, what he wanted to do. But he didn't, like I said, PCP had you thinking you didn't do what you did, but he gone, right. You know, the baby gone. And the mama living with that horror and wow.

It's amazing. That is terrible. Holy shit. Yeah. Okay. So what did you start to do to earn a living once you turned away from the Pimp game? And how did you sort of get out of that lifestyle? Because I'm sure it kept following you.

And I'm sure that like the types of people that you had been around were still gravitating towards you, right? No question about it is, you know, I was considered number one. And I was still considered the life of the party. You know what I mean? Not only that, the prostitute still wanted to stay. but I had made the transition. But it's an amazing thing.

Some tried to be the Ursa, you know, and then it was an amazing thing for my family because we were a fuss and cussing kind of family. When I made the conversion, it really brought our family together. It was really what my mother had been praying for, you know, and it was an amazing turnaround because my family become the choir, ursia's in the church, and my mother become the mother in the church. had a great ministry and you know the girls couldn't keep up because you know god hadn't called they tried but you know it wasn't that dedication to that they wanted to curse god because i had been

their whole life for 15 20 years or something you know you would be with one girl for that long she would be with me i wouldn't be one girl yeah i would had i had as many as seven at one time i'm thinking in my head that you're going to have a girl for six months and then she's going to move on on average No, they were a lot of long-term commitments. Man, that ain't even, you know, the probation period. I mean, you don't really give a prostitute real rope and knife after three years. After she showed you three years of real dedication, then you might buy a car, you know, they might get her own apartment and, you know, start giving her little, you know, room, you know,

to move around and to do her thing because she has showed her trustworthy, you know. Did you become a one-woman type of guy once you left the game? I've never been a one woman type of guy. I've always been considered a ladies' man. I've been having more than one woman since I was 10 years old. You know what I mean? It started then. You know, at 5 years old, I got my first piece of sex because the babysitter did it.

You know what I mean? Told me, don't tell nobody, you know. Right. So at 10 years old, I had two girls in the hallway kissing them both to see which one. I really wanted to be my best girl. My big sister caught us in the hall. slap me upside the head told me to get in the house and told other girls get home you know but that was the beginning of something that had always been a part of me i've been married once you know married

dedicated to my wife but i always you know what i mean just been a lady's man you know what i mean women's always been there for me you know from my mother all the way up to the day yeah you know what how do you keep the energy level so hot because i'm gonna be honest my dad is the same age as you you and he really do you know how old i am yeah you're 69 right no so you got me a little i'm 67 i'll be 68 in uh november okay my pops is 69 just turned 69 and when i look at him i'm like man this guy is not moving at the same pace as uh as magic don juan well the thing about it is you know i strongly keep god in my life you know what i mean and i always been like i said rest finesse and dress, you know what I mean? I try not to be under too much strain, you know what I mean.

I try to take everything calm, cool, and collective. And, you know, my journey is to give out what I know, you know what I mean? Like, I feel I'm blessed to be a blessing. And that's my daily journey is to give somebody else knowledge. That's why I do my social media every day because people say, man, I needed that. Thank you that because they know they're getting it from a real one. More than any of them me means, you got to always read my caption, you know, because I'd be laying it down from the heart. Right. Very, very true.

And so, you know, and I see that it's very effective. So I continue to do it on social media. So social media. I'm not doing it for no likes or anything hits or anything like that because one thing about it is I don't follow but two people. And that's my son, Magic Wand, and Snoop Dog. Yeah. So it ain't about people. It's about me, you know, giving out the message.

And I tell people, don't worry about the one, you know what I mean, the messenger, enjoy the message. Don't worry about me delivering, enjoy what I deliver, you know. And I give out some powerful information. And like if Snooplead, that I saved his life, that I made a different to his life, you know. And others I have done that in their lives. I've been, you know, I've touched many lives in the entertainment business, just in the street, just people in general. Wait, why does Snoop say that you saved his life? Because I changed this thinking.

When you change your thinking, you can change your life. Really? Yeah. You know, and, you know, he said he came from the gangster to the players. That was a change of thought, you know. And see, one thing about it is, and then other than being a gangster, than being a player,

you have more time to get a more understanding and thought about situation, that thing that you thought affected you, that now you can really walk over because you understand them a little more. I instilled that kind of thing in there. You know what I mean? The seriousness is part of being grown of being a man.

You know what I mean? What a family. You know what I mean? That's interesting because when we think about Snoop, we forget that if you met him in 99, his... No, I'd say 96. 96. Okay.

So that's even a bit earlier. But I mean, Snoop was more in that sort of gangster type of, that's sort of more how we thought about him. And then there was a transition that sort of happened like late 90s where he kind of changed up his image or his style, maybe even who he was kicking it around and stuff. Did you identify that? Yeah. Well, what it was is, you know what I mean? To be a little more understanding about the situation, you know, the culture of California is, you know what I mean?

There was a lot of, you know, the crypts and the bloods and the gangbanging sort of situation. So, you know, most of the guys here, you know, they just try to stay strong to that situation. and Snoot was just one of them individuals that was going to continue to stand tall, you know what I mean? He loved the culture and he was a strong part of the culture, you know what I mean? But then once you understand that, you know, you can help the culture, and that's what Snoop got the understanding from me, that he could help the culture, you know, with his voice. To be able to say, we can love one another, we can fellowship one another to where, you know, as me being there, Snoop was bringing like, inviting like, you know, bloods to his house. We're all fellowshiping and talking because, see, you have to understand them was

tidal. Them wasn't them as men. Them were just tidal. And once they got to understand that they know that it was more to it that they could do business together, that they can work out the thing together. You know what I mean? Just like you see the big explosion of nifty, you know, hustle, you know what I mean? How that explosion has brought so many different.

individuals together even you know what I mean giving Snoop to understanding to pour out more love into the community because you know that's what it need it need that understanding it need that love from his own you know to be able to reach out to these individuals to make that different you know and Snoop seen that in me when I got with Snoop Dog he was running with like a hundred people and I told him I said you can't do it champ it's draining it's very drained And, you know, especially if there's a hundred people and they wasn't given to you.

I mean, you know, you're creating for anything, but more like taken away and, you know, it drained you. And, you know, one day we wind up on Hollywood Boulevard, me and him together, and he just got out and started walking by itself, no security. I said, wow, isn't this amazing, Snoop? It's been a journey for him. And I'm just glad to be a part of his journey, man, from something like over 20 years, you know. I mean, watching him, you know what I mean, become a granddad, you know what I mean, and watching his kids grow up, you know, being a part of, you know, his journey with him. I toured with him all over the country, you know.

You know, every day we was like together, you know, I gave him a lot of knowledge. A lot of people probably thought that I would be with Snoop. I know he a married man would be saying something like, don't go home, but my influence was to go home, Snoop. go be with your wife go there because you know one thing i realized and i learned that you know what you lose what you got at home everything in the street don't seem to be important it don't seem to be excited people change they switch up on you then there's nothing for them to rob you of your happiness or anything you didn't lost all that so they started to disappear and it happened to a lot of

us but i was glad i was able to be part of the influence to tell snoop to stay strong in it right Right. That's really interesting. Yeah. You know what I mean? When people would think all down on the print player, I know he'd tell us new, do with every girl. Nah. Uh-uh. That ain't my influence.

So what do you think when you look at a young guy who, you know, maybe he's blown up as a rapper? Like, look at Drake. I don't know if you know Drake or not. But he's clearly for like 10 years as this mega celebrity. He's been with a million different girls. It doesn't seem like he's ever really had something that serious. but we've always looked at that situation and been like, Drake, you should be with Ariana. You should do the Jay-Z thing and just find your Beyonce.

Do you think that someone is kind of unhappy inherently when they're just running around fucking every girl they meet? Well, one thing about it is I know Drake personally. I was invited to his birthday, you know what I mean? As a matter of fact, TMZ couldn't get any pictures and they went to my post to get pictures because what is his name? They didn't take your phone away? No, Leonardo DiCaprio wouldn't take pictures with nobody, but he did with me and spoke with me. And they couldn't take pictures, and so they went to my post to get a picture, but it was Drake's birthday party. His father was there, Dennis Graham, which I gave the Don Juan Lifetime Achievement Award at the 2018 player.

I bet you and him got along good. Yeah. You seem like Kendritz. Yeah, me and Dennis, you know, good friend. But the thing about it is, you know, in the beginning is, you know, I love the new rapper there. You know what I mean? But it's a good thing. Dre enjoying itself.

You know, it's exciting in the early time. Just like Snoop could tell you. Ice tea could tell you. Early on, even like I could tell you in the Pimp Gang, it was exciting. You know what I mean? You know, right now Drake them, they still excited. They still young men. They still filling their oats.

They're cheering. They doing their thing. It's a beautiful thing. And they're creating good music and they're being paid. But the things I hate about some of the rappers, you know what I mean? that it's think that you can take it. It should be a lesson learned which should ignite that you can't take this kind of mentality into being into the rap gang.

These people are giving you millions of dollars. And here you is, you in the neighborhood, somebody killing somebody, buying drugs, and you're ruining your career, you're doing 50 years in prison, and these kind of things. And it's affecting your family and your friends. It is not just all about you. I know you've grown. I know you're getting your own money.

You can do your own thing. Nobody can't tell you what to do. But you're hurting yourself and some of y'all got to quit it, man. Enjoy your career. Be able to make your family happy. Make yourself happy. So many of y'all are unhappy out there. You're unhappy in your home with your girls, with your job,

and you're doing different things to affect your life. You got to quit it because you're hurting your career. Once you become into this business, you become an artist, it's a business. It's no more about gangbanging. There's no more about that street life. It's about that pencil and paper. And that's what you see.

You pay no attention. And that's why most of y'all get hurt by that pencil and paper. Nobody has to hit you. You get your worst lick from pencil and paper. So pay attention now. So you think Drake is still in the streets too much? No, I don't think he's in the street too much. I think he's having a great time.

I think he earned it. You know what I mean? It's been established that he is one of the top artists of this generation. You know what I mean? So yeah, he should feel his hero. He should enjoy itself. You know, I love Chris Brown. You know, enjoy yourself, man, you know, make this money.

But the thing about it is to help somebody. Please help somebody. I know y'all doing things, you know what I mean? But it's so many people that you know that you can help. They might not even deserve it, but they end your community from where you come up. Most of y'all with poll, y'all know what it is. Y'all act like y'all never been broke before. Y'all don't know to go in the neighborhood and reach out.

I don't care. J.G., man, Diddy, you know, Rick Rawls. You know what I mean? We got the help, man, in the community. Yeah, you can donate to charity. I know all of them kind of thing. But I promise you it don't reach down on Jackson Street in Gary, Indiana. You got to go somewhere, you know what I mean, and give out, you know what I mean?

Do it yourself. Pick a neighborhood you come from and buy it and somebody on that block. Everybody grows for y'all can stand it, pay everybody bill. Give them a little sense of relief. If you can do this, do that. You know what I mean? I know you can't help everybody, and it ain't meant for you to help everybody. But you've been blessed so you can be a blessing that most people have more money than they need.

They dine and leaving money, you know, to trustees and charities and different things. So while you're here, you ain't got to go all the way cross-season over there to help. You can help right in these communities. People right there in Chicago, Madison, need help. Right here in Los Angeles on Crenshaw need help. You know, we can help, y'all. So think about that. But don't forget next Sunday now, September the 1st, the play of picnic, it's going down.

What's that like? Because I was going to ask what kind of. of entrepreneurial ventures you're currently involved in before we have to wrap this interview? Well, I got a second print to my life story book out with some new pictures in there. Oh, cool. Also, I've been, you know, working and talking to different individuals about a documentary on my life story. Spoke to be a duke about bringing it to the civil scream and what we need to do to get that done. we have the footage, you know, we're looking for our investors that, you know, we would like for it to go to the big screen, not know Netflix or nothing like that.

I'm surprised that they took Dolomite to Netflix. I thought it should have been on the big screen. Yes, Eddie Murphy, I thought that. You know what I mean? But, you know, it came on Netflix, you know, so it is. But I like for my life story to be on a big screen. I surely believe I got a story to tell. They ain't heard half of it, you know what I mean, been there, done that.

But my greatest thing is to be able to help somebody. That's what I want to be known for, and that's what I continue to do. I know a lot of people just, you know what I mean, on my pimping and on my plan and all my this and that. Man, I'm a child of God. And, you know what I mean? Let me say this for we wrap up. Can I tell them my little poem? Tell them my phone.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Tell all y'all. Before we even get into that, I want to ask what the player's ball is like. Oh man The player of all 2019 This year is November the 30 They'd be in Hollywood

At Pig and Wetzel Right after my birthday Yeah 24th is my birthday So that's perfect We sat the terrace Throw me on the flyer, I'll come through Yeah I'm gonna make sure that happen You hear it Hollywood

Put him on the fly Get my info Hollywood Yeah you know what I mean We're gonna do it together this year Celebrate it I bring the cake You probably ain't got any white guys on the bill Right man

You just seen I tell you the Russian guy. Hey, one player of the year. Man, we got plenty of white guy. You look at the DVD. You'll see Mr. White folks in there. Oh, wow. Okay.

That's his name? Yeah, Mr. White folks. Yeah. Look at him. There's some white pimps, man. You know, I don't even know if you know the radio personality, Man Kyle. He's been to the player of the year.

He's a Pimp? He won't player of the year. Oh, wow. Yeah, he won't play of the year. Wow. So if I'm going to come through, I got to come through official. I might have to get a front of a fur coat. I got to have my girl looking all sexy.

All of that, all of that, man. I've got ideas now. And you know, you'd be surprised. Another girl might choose you. Shit. Tell my girl, you're out of here. We just bought a house together, but see you later. No, y'all can be together.

That very good point. Yeah, yeah. Wait, so you were the threesome champ? What you mean? You've done a lot of threesomes in your day? Is that something that you typically go for? Threesome, man. I did one plus septum.

Threesome, man. Wow. Come on, man. Do you know how much fun it would to come. on, man, and got six, seven girls in the bed with you. You can do anything you want to. Fantasy, watch them, make them do what you want to do the whole thing. Yeah.

You know what I'm. There you go. Fond and enjoy. That was amazing. And they didn't care about what they wanted to do to have it your way. Like Burger King. Man. There we go.

King. Chicken land. You hear me? Let's hear your poem. All right, here we go. All right. Tell all y'all out there, you know, we're all going to. through some rich, poor, lazy, crazy, dumb,

I don't know what to do. Everybody needs something. I don't try to put Jesus or God on anybody. It's your decision accepted or rejected. But here go to poem from the Archbishop, Don Madreacher. What's from the heart reaches God, here we go. Whatever problem, Trevor Osara, if you trust in the Lord, there'll be a brighter tomorrow.

For there's nothing too much for the great God to do. And all that he acts is fate. That's unshaken. by tribulation and years. Contents and knowledge that God knows best. And Trevor and sorrow, they are only a test. But without God testing of our soul, it never could reach an ultimate goal. So keep on knowing and believing that all that God has promised you

would be yours to receive if you trust him completely and always believe. And so it is. Don't forget to touch bases. Now the Don't wine show. church on social media. Beautiful. Well said. Hey, it was great to meet you, man. I've been a fan for a long time.

Hey, it's always a treat when players meet. Well said. Hey, Don, Magic Wand. No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. Check us out on YouTube. SoundCloud, iTunes, like, comment, and subscribe. No Jumper Cush. In stores now.

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