No Jumper - The DW Flame Interview: Joining the Insane Crips, 2 Years in Federal Prison & More

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

DW Flame talks about being put on, outgrowing the streets, working hard to become a mogul, filling the spot that Nipsey left open, moving from Long Beach, helping younger artists because the "LA scene is stingy, they make sure you don't blow or even steal from you." https://www.instagram.com/dwflame/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today we have a rapper from Long Beach by the name of DW Flame. How you doing, man? Yeah, yeah, what's the deal? What's the deal? Feeling good, yeah. It was crazy, actually, when I was watching some videos of you, like, actually in your neighborhood and realizing that when I moved to Long Beach in, like, 2010, that I lived right around the corner from there.

Yeah. Because I lived, like, over by, like, Cherry Skate Park and shit. And we lived on 10th and Stanley. We had, like, a total fucking crack-ha-ass apartment at that time with, like, fucking 20 bike rider dudes living in there. So that's what blew my mind when I went to the stupid Young's neighborhood. Yeah. I'm like, this is like two blocks from where I used to live.

Yeah, I used to live right on the other side of Stanley too. Really? Yeah, yeah, most dead. That's where you grew up your whole life from your other? Probably in 2010. While you was around the corner, I probably was around the corner. That's wild. When I went and did that vlog with him, I was like, wow, I really had no idea.

There was so much gang bang and shit in this area at that time. The good thing about Long Beach is that if you really not involved in it, we really ain't worried about you too much. Like we actually know who is who. You know what I'm saying? That's interesting. So sometimes, you know, people get caught in the midst of bullshit, you feel me, on a bad day.

But we really don't fuck with nobody who, you know, isn't a part of the shit like that. Yeah. I remember actually, because there's like a school right down the street from there that we used to always go ride at. And then they were telling me that like a little girl got killed in a shootout right by there. And it was like this big fucking thing. That was what I'm talking about? Yeah, Long Beach just kind of, it was like an atomic bomb went off when that happened.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about? I don't even want to speak on that. Really? Mm-mm. Don't know what you're talking about. Oh, my God. Well, when I met stupid young, he told me that, like, from the very beginning when we were talking about, like, different neighborhoods that they got along with it and everything, he mentioned you guys right away.

Most definitely. Okay. We grew up with the Asians and the Samoan. and then the Mexicans, we grew up, and it's just, the Asians, they kind of, to me, they're black, you know, because they get the same treatment we do, you know? The Mexicans, too, but I don't know, I don't know why it's how it is, you feel me?

It's just somebody wants to feel superior. Right. You know? And nobody's superior at the end of the day. They think, everybody think they are, but it's. And then, like, an Asian dude in that world kind of has. is it totally different because they are going to be kind of like looked down upon by white people or whatever as if they're not white. But then also they're going to be looked at by most of the dudes who are in their culture if they're into all the street music and everything they're going to be looked at by a lot of the black dudes is maybe not being on the same level that they're on.

So you kind of do get that vibe from some of the Asian gang dudes where like I remember one of them saying to me like, yo Adam, just so you know like we really on this gang banging shit. Like we ain't like, we ain't like, go to college. We ain't like, you know, people think that we're like nerds and shit. We ain't, none of that. We're gangbangers. I'm like, I know. I believe you, bro. I mean, yeah.

I mean, and it's, they had to prove theirself a little bit more than for us to take them serious, you feel me? And in certain aspects that they did, most definitely. Right. It is serious. I feel you. So, okay, talk to me about just your upbringing and what it was like coming up in Long Beach around the time that you did. Um, shit. I grew up less fortunate, you feel me?

When everybody had on shit, that was cool. I ain't have on none of that. When everybody, you know, I grew up on noodles and burritos, rats and roaches, you feel me. And my mom, you know, she had multiple kids, and she did all she could for us, you feel me, and took in my cousins and shit like that. So just growing up in my neighborhood, it was always shootings and shit. I've seen how many moms died right in front of me as a kid. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Right in front. Just right there, you feel me? And they were aiming for her or they were aiming at something else? No, they was aiming for him. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And that shit happening just every night is something happening.

You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of unsafe to even be outside. But you can't just hold me in the house all day. You get what I'm saying. So we outside, we grew up like that. And just watching the gang members, the ones with money, the ones who got nice cars, the ones with the girls. We think that's the way.

You feel? me and it's really not the way it's not that cool you feel me for the people who coming up right now joining this shit it's not cool you got to be ready to lose your life you got to be ready to lose your family everything you love you feel me that's for that's for all these kids especially the people who 20 and up just joining right now the rappers who just rapping and want to bang some shit like you got to really know what the fuck you're doing right especially when you're and serious. Yeah, because I mean, when you're a young kid, though, it's like you want to fit in and you want to be protected. You want to feel like you're a part of something, but it's almost

impossible to explain to a young kid that they might just be better off being a nerd. Like, it's dope. Like, I know kids, I know people who don't gang bang at all who are tougher than some of the members for sure. Right. You know? And if I had the choice, I would be I would have just been a cool, fly dude, you feel me, who just don't take no shit. A lot of people who join gangs, let's be real, a good reason to join a gang, and I'm not saying a lot of people in gangs are like this,

but a good reason to join gang is because you're kind of a pussy, and that's going to sort of protect you. That's, like, clearly the motivation. I remember there was a dude who I always looked up to growing up who was, like, in a band or in the area I grew up, and I always viewed this dude as being, like, one of basically like a gangster in the area that we grew up

in, like, one of the toughest dudes. And I remember I actually went to his crib one day, like many, many years later, like 20 years later. And I see he's watching UFC. And he actually said to me, he's like, I could never do this shit. And I'm like, for real? I always thought you were like the toughest dude ever. He's like, nah, he's like, I was a pussy. Why do you think I always had so many weapons on me?

He's like, just straight up with me. He was like, I was a pussy. That's why we always had guns and knives and shit. It's because we, I wasn't like a fighter. I'm like, damn. Like, I had it all wrong as a kid. Yeah. That's what, like, for me, it was just around me.

You know, I didn't see nothing more than that. I play sports and shit, but who cares? Because you're a big-ass dude. They probably were trying to get into sports from a young age. I was small. Oh, you were? I ain't grow up. After 12 grade, I was fucked up, too,

because I never got the position I'm on any team. Wow, that's interesting. But I was good, but, but yeah, I started gang banging and shit like that. I mean, I was singing and dancing since I was 12. I was in a group. Really? You know what I'm saying? But then I got caught up in a lifestyle, and I'm like, fuck all that shit.

So I took this shit serious, you know, and almost lost my life to it. Really? Multiple times. And then end up facing life. Did you come up during the jerkin era? Do you experience all that? Yeah, yeah, most deaf. Long Beach, we was the ones you see with the skinny jeans on with a big ass gun.

Right. For sure. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, yeah, we, one thing about us in Long Beach, we like more of the fun, the fun game bangers. Like we have fun. This shit is serious. But we ain't mad all day. You know what I'm saying.

We ain't on no fuck I'm going to be mad for. You know? When you putting on the extras all day, that's kind of not you. You're forcing it, bro. Right. It's kind of hard to be that mad when you live by the beach. Yeah. I'm not mad at all, bro.

I have fun. I love to live my life. I love my kids, bro. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm way more smarter. At first I didn't give a fuck about nothing. Right. I took a lot of loss.

people, you know, family members just losses period, not having. I didn't give a fuck. I was ready to risk it all for some shit that don't really give a fuck about me. You feel me? Definitely. And right now to this day, I still care about my family and everything, but I'm not to be played with. Right. For sure.

And it's fucked up because this shit can go out the window if I'm ever played with. I feel you. You feel you? I wanted to ask this, though, like Long Beach, hip-hop-wise. has kind of like an interesting history where they're kind of like left out of like the LA hip hop story to a certain extent and then

Snoop comes out all of a sudden it's like the biggest fucking rapper in the world is a Long Beach rapper and then kind of like there's like a long period after that where you do have people popping off out of Long Beach but not necessarily like really big rappers so when you were young and stuff did you perceive

it as oh this is a place where big rappers can come out of or did you see yourself as being like a real underdog because Long Beach is like it's for people out there it's like yes it is like 20 miles away from LA but it also feels like a totally different fucking world yeah it is kind of it is kind of but like we still have the same culture you know when I go to when I when I go to jail with people like from L.A. and shit like that we you know mesh differently I mean you know perfectly you feel me so it's not too much different but when I grew up watching

Snoop and shit like that and watching, you know, the East Side and shit like that. It let me know it was an opportunity, you know? So once I've seen that, somebody can make it the door open, you feel me? So I've never seen it like I'm the underdog. I'm the underdog regardless coming from the position I was from. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just digging my way up and I'm going to leave no choice to where they got to let me in. Definitely. So when did you, did you ever officially become a gang member or is it the kind of thing where you're just always around it?

Nah, I'm definitely, I'm boring and sworn in. Okay. You feel me? So you got jumped in at one point? Yes, sir. Really? Yes, sir. How long? What, 23 seconds, three rounds? That's it? Oh, so 23 seconds times? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And how, was it the kind of thing where you were left with injuries or was it just sort of a formal? I mean. I mean, depending on what type of dudes you are and what type of dudes are put on you, you didn't. But I'm like that. Because I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, I feel like sometimes they go easy on you

because they fuck with you, and I feel like sometimes they go really hard on you because you've got to prove yourself. Yeah, I mean, sometimes, but you can't really go easy. We can tell, go again. You know what I'm saying? Now, fuck that. You go in there with him. You feel?

So, yeah, but no, I, I went, in there I did what I'm supposed to do right did you would you say that you were initiated into it by like an o g or was it more like that was just the the younger generation let me the thing about me and my crowd we our oh gs was gone at one point in time so that's what led us to kind of be rebellious a little bit you feel me we didn't I didn't have nobody really showing me nothing at all excuse I had nobody showing me nothing. I learned all that shit by myself. Really?

And then I taught my youth up under me. But then I learned how to move a little smarter than everybody else, just by experience. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that shit. What you say again? I don't know. I mean, it's interesting to think that you kind of, you had to figure things out from a street perspective for yourself. You didn't really have role models in that shit?

Or did you start to get some at a certain? point of be like, oh, okay, like, I see these dudes getting money like this, or this is like their form of being in the streets as opposed to what I'm doing. Nah, my mind is out of space compared to people in the hood where I'm from. Okay. I don't, gang banging is not the thing for me. I always seem past that, you know, but I want to be the best at whatever I do. So if I gang bang, I want to be one of the top elite, you know what I'm.

I'm saying, but I've always seen myself as being a superstar, a mogul, you know what I'm saying? Way past that, you know? So, like, my mind is like when the world is about the end and it costs a million dollars a seat to get up out of here. Right. I'm trying to make sure that I got $100 million to get whoever I need to get out of here. You know what I'm saying? But that's interesting because, I mean, you clearly are like setting your sights higher and you have a lot that you want to accomplish.

But, you know, when you're young and, like, growing up in an area and you ain't got shit, it's like, for a lot of people, it's hard to even imagine getting out of that area or getting any money at all. Like, how did you start to, like, get into the mind frame of, like, oh, I'm going to actually do something with myself? Man, I was fucking up and fucking up. Nobody taught me how to hustle or nothing. Like, so I was broke for a long time, though.

and I start, I start robbing. Like, that was me. You feel me? That's me. I'm thirsty. And I don't, I'm a, I'm a good dude at the end of the day. So I don't even like doing it. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm going to do it to get where I need to get. So after I bumped my head multiple times, then I ended up in jail this, I went to the feds. I'm like, fuck no. What did you get caught up with the, you got sent to the feds? It was with guns with the feds. But they had came and got me because I just had to be a life case. What was that one over? Maybe we should go in order about all these things that you somehow survived in terms of court stuff.

But yeah, no, it's just some shit. I just got into some shit that it was at a time where I didn't give a fuck. You feel me? I lost my sister. I lost my bro. And it was like back to back. I carried like three caskies in one week, you feel me? And my shit, when I lost my sister, I wasn't really there.

You know, I ain't give a fuck. So I ended up facing life when my bro T meets. And I was sitting in that motherfucker like, nah, because I just had my son. I'm like, nah, this ain't it. What was the charge? Shooting. Okay. Shooting in an inhabit of dwelling.

And how did, okay, so can you talk at all about what happened with your sister? Because I heard in one song saying that you hadn't told. anybody this but you felt like you might be the reason she got shot yeah it ain't not necessarily like i'm the reason but i feel i just i'm just saying it's like karma for me because of all the shit i've been doing right you feel me and you know when you go through shit like that closed death like that you don't know how to take it i still don't know how to take it right i'm still i'm still fired up you feel me and see It's fucking me up right now, just talking to you about it.

I mean, it's hard to wrap your head around just like the cruelty of the idea somebody, you know, live in all those years, like all that love that you put into a child, like the parents and the time and energy and all those experiences they have. And then to have all that just cut short over some bullshit realistically. Over nothing. Just being in the way. You feel me? And that's like, you know, I know that revenge.

doesn't it's not going to do much you feel me but I still have my reasons I still I still don't like the fact that a person who did that is still didn't get the same consequences you know what I'm saying and like I said I'm a good person you feel me but I got shit that I stand on you know right I mean that's a tough decision you have something like that that takes over your whole fucking brain and it's like you have basically two options which is just crash out or just try to ignore it i don't know about later on in life but right now i still ain't let it go don't plan on letting go don't care how long it is you've been right and was it did you have like a specific person or specific people that you assumed were the problem or was it kind of a mystery

to you no no no that's a mystery i mean gotcha but so then you you you know then you you you end up getting into the situation and then you get in the fed or you end up catching the fed case yeah they came and got me and so then how many years you end up doing i end up doing like two years in the feds okay so i was i was they came and got me from the county and then i went to the feds for two years but the feds it was just a whole different bargain it stripped me from everything you know my family your girl when you go to the feds get ready to get rid of all that shit in what way is that different than regular prison oh it's like more clothes then you more alone that's more distant.

When you're fighting a case in the feds, you get no visits. You feel me? No, none of that. So, no matter how much your girl love you, if you're fighting the case for about, you know, two to five years, she can't get at least contact with you. Talk to you, like, face-to-face that shit is she starts to forget. The kids start to forget, how it even feels with you around.

Wow. You feel me? Why is it so much stricter in the feds that they won't let you be visited by anyone? They're the feds. Damn. So you were waiting to face trial that whole time or you faced trial and then you did two years? I didn't know nothing. I didn't know.

When I was going to court, I didn't know. When I was getting out, they have, like, fake court date set up just to get pushed back. Uh-huh. So I didn't go to court all the way to the end. Right. All the way to two years. Two years of this being a total mystery of where you're thinking. And I could be in here, I could be out tomorrow or I could be in here for 20 years.

But something in my soul told me at the last month or two, like, write, get the writing, whoop-y-whoop. And then I ended up writing a judge a letter because you get to write her and, you know, plead your case. So I wrote her. And then when I went up in there, you know, the judge down there teared up when she let me talk. Really? Yeah.

And she broke it all the way down. I was supposed to be doing like five years right now. What kind of stuff were you saying that affected her so much? I was just telling her the reasons why I should be out here. And, you know, basically the reasons I should be out here and what I'm really working towards and what I've been through, you feel me? Right. And she was like, you know, she told me that I got the potential to be somebody great.

So she's going to give me this opportunity. Definitely. That's amazing. Did you, so while you were locked up, when you're locked up in the feds, Is it like, do you even have interaction with other people that much? Or are you very, very isolated? Like, in terms of other prisoners. Yeah, fuck yeah.

You went there with probably maybe 200 people in one dorm. You see these motherfuckers every day tired of these motherfuckers. Right. I swear, like, bro, I used to be in there. I finally started reading books, force myself, you feel me? Because I'm tired of this shit. I'm like, and they're bragging about shit. Like, it's cool.

Man, I'm like, these niggas can have this. Right. It's not me. I like women. I feel me? I'm a fly nigger. I need to be outside. Right.

I love my kids. They can have this. Is it in the federal prison? Is it the same as regular prison where there's all this gang shit and racial shit? What's the culture like there? In the feds, they have more of indictments and shit. So you're running to somebody's a whole gang in there. You're running to the whole cartel, like certain people that's LinkedIn.

And they're all in there together. They don't try to start. split them up or nothing they all in there together wow and they watch you they watch you so they want to see how you move it they want to see who is who you know they can tell by how they move around you right you know so yeah that shit is it's deep and they really want to take your whole life from you right like you don't have to really do shit they want to take it from you though right did you feel like you were kind of on your own in there or was there people that you sort of gravitated towards being around because you got caught up

on your own shit. It's not like you got caught up with 10 of your homies. Yeah, no, I was on my own, but like I said, I blend. You know, I'm a real crib. You feel me? So no matter where they're from, it's going, it attracts like that, you know? So this group became my group. You feel me? And then eventually the blacks on that floor became my group. But how do you even sort of like make friends in that environment where I feel like, being willing to be violent and being willing to not fuck with anybody and not give a shit it's kind of like your primary way of like getting respect in there how do you actually like put out that branch to like be cool with different groups of people like going into that

environment where everything is so cutthroat if you show any weakness you're just fucked um i mean if like when i go when you go in there if you go in there as yourself not trying to be extra it out, you're not going to get that type of attention off top. You know what I'm saying? It might be people that text you, but when we come in, we're like, okay, yeah, you introduce yourself to everybody. And it's just how you make friends on the outside. Like, it's just natural. Like, you know, I know if I'm a gangster, I know he's a gangster.

I can tell by his get down. You know what I'm saying? If he's a bitch, he's a bitch. Like, we know it. Like, he let people talk to him any kind of way, you know, letting people. People grab this shit. We know what type of people to treat a certain type of way. I mean, me personally, I'm not a bully. I fight the bullies. Did you ever, did you have to fight in there?

Like, did it come to that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because sometimes it's like, sometimes you irritate it. You in there every day, bro, eating that's bullshit. People acting hard. I'm next on the phone. shit like that.

I don't know who the fuck you're talking to. You know, but I'm not one of them. Right. And you weren't rapping yet at this time. Yeah, I was rapping. Oh, you were. So you had some videos out. Yeah, so you had some videos out.

Yeah, people know who I am when they walk in. Oh, okay. The officers, no. Oh, really? You know what I'm saying? So are they fucking with you and, like, you know, trying to mess with you because they know that you've got something going on? Some officers will be like, fuck this guy.

Who the fuck is? And some officers is like, man, okay, you know, give me a little leeway. Because they see you as basically like advertising the shit that from their perspective is getting all these people locked up, right? Like you're the billboard for the illness in society that has all these guys getting locked up, right? I feel like some of them got to think about it like that. Some of them do, the ones that arrest you do, you feel me? The ones that's in jail is kind of regular people still, you feel me? And they really in jail too.

Yeah. So they end up, some of them really are in. intrigued by the lifestyle. You know what I'm saying? So they know who you are. They respect you too. Certain ones. And certain ones be, since I'm big,

they want to try to flex their power on me. Right. You feel me? Because they know that if it was a street situation, it wouldn't be the same. Okay, so you get out of there and you just come home with a whole new lease on life? Like, how did you feel coming home?

I came home. No, because I went to jail. And that's when me, Savi Third, right before I went to jail, me Savi Third was hot in Long Beach, you know? He is fire. When I was watching you guys the shit today, I was like, man, he is dope. Yeah, he dope. That's my little bro.

Yeah. It was me, Savi Third. We had the Sydney on lock back to back, boom. Then I used to do the shows with a lot of people. When I went to jail, I've seen these niggas getting on. I'm like, I'm like, I'm supposed to be right there too. Yeah. And I don't know when I'm coming home.

I'm like, that's, crazy. That's got to be crazy watching people that you knew who weren't shit and all of a sudden they're popping. It's like, damn, I'm on fucking hold over here. Yeah. And I know, and I know if I'm, you know, if I'm out that I'm going to be right there, you feel me? So this time I'm like, fuck that. I'm coming out hot. I'm coming out. I'm coming out running. You feel me? So that's what I did. I came out and I did that little freestyle and I should just take my social, my social, my social network to like thousands of day just going up really I'm really watching the numbers just you feel me I'm like that's crazy I know what I need to do definitely and I see that I'm good with the

social media and you feel me I'm good with the people so I'm doing everything that other every other rapper not doing the shit that they uncomfortable with saying I'm not uncomfortable because I'm confident in myself right you feel me but do you like the way I can't keep having this conversation on here, but it's kind of like a difference between NorCal rappers and L.A. rappers is that the NorCal rappers, like, live out their beefs in their wraps, like, just tell you who they got problems with and all this shit about different dead people and all this kind of shit. And I feel like L.A. rappers don't really do that nearly as much. But are you a little bit more willing to put your whole story out there? I mean, yeah, but you can't put the whole story out there. Right. Like, at the same, that'll be telling on myself, too. You feel me?

And more so, like in LA or Long Beach, if I got the same shit about the opposite side exactly, you would have to worry about everything. You feel me? Every day. We don't live far. We don't live. We're right there. Right.

You know what I'm saying? You going to die. Right. Period. So if you don't move, you're going to die. You know what I'm saying? And me personally, I don't even have just all-out beef with everybody Because damn they're my cousins from everywhere.

You feel me? But I have personal issues. When I see them, they know what time it is. Right. You know what I'm saying? And so I don't get to dissing and doing all that because that's not even me. Right. You feel me?

But it's, you know, it's still fuck the other stuff. Certain people, like, kind of get to the point. Like, I always say to AD, and I always look at how he moves and how he's like very friendly and he's like able to like yes he comes from a gang background and everything but he's kind of gotten to the point where people like him enough that he's able to kind of be able to go all over and people he just doesn't really run into that kind of stuff like that's like once you achieve a certain level of success that's kind of like an option for certain people but when you're lesser known it's like much much more

complicated yeah I mean I've been everybody know they know what's up but it's like I'm really, I still press that line. So you're going to have the enemies like, they just don't like you. Just don't. I'm for sure motherfuckers don't like me. Right. You know, and I'm the one like, I'm a cool, I'm cool. I'm cool as a motherfucker, you know.

But if that's what you own, I'm on it. You know? And then some people just want to, since they see my background, they see who I am, or they see how certain people hold me up, they want to break it down. Like, oh, here, bitch, here, who make up stories, shit that can never be proven in real life. Right. You have that problem? Nah, rarely.

Rarely. But when you, somebody, they're going to talk about you regardless. Right. And it's weird because, like, for you, the more that you're friendly and you let shit slide or you just try to be like Mr. Nice guy, it's probably good for your likelihood of staying out of prison. But it's also like, you know, it's like if you give a little too much, then people are going to start judging you as, as, you're probably good for your likelihood. is not really being the real deal or some shit. I don't give a fuck about that. There's no way.

There's no way they can make me feel like I'm not. They don't know what the fuck I've been through. When I asked AD about you, that was what he said. He's just like, he's a real one, super real Crip. Ad, he seen me in action before. Really? You caught fade in front of him or something? No, man, I was going to say what I did.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, I was, man, I was. I'm glad I'm not there no more. Really? Yes, sir. Damn, I want to hear that story off there. Man, I was in the field for real. I was in the field for real.

I had to remember like, okay, you're about to start rapping for real. You can't be doing this shit out here because I could be fucking people up to where they're traumatized for life. And I forget what I even did. I could be somewhere in minding my motherfucking business. like living now with my kids out eating and a certain person see me and been waiting on me, been dreaming about me, you feel me? So I've been, for the most part

I mean, I give out good energy. That's my thing, like, you feel me? I go off energy. I give off good energy, but I'm always on my shit. Because picture, like just hypothetical situation, like you break somebody's jaw. I mean, you just walk the fuck away. Maybe your hands a little sore. It ain't really nothing. To that person, that could be, like, the worst experience,

they've got to go to the hospital, they've got to do all this shit, and then they could just be living their life, just dreaming about catching you. You could have ruined their career. Like, everybody probably thought they were something. Yeah. And now they think he's like, oh, you used this and that. Yeah.

Well, especially with rappers, when you see a rapper take an L. A lot of times that the business, it's like grand opening grand clothes and this business is done. You break my jaw. I'm thinking about you. I'm super thinking about I can't sleep. I can't sleep. I need that.

I need that. Something bad got to happen. That's just the way it is. I ain't even got a gang bang to feel like that. That's how I feel as a human. I hear you. So, okay, let's just rewind a little bit. When did you actually start rapping and start putting out videos?

How did you kind of figure out that game and that you could actually do this? Like when I was probably like 15, 16, I was putting out shit. So Long Beach being new. You feel me? But right now when I got out this time, I was like, everybody good. All these rappers is good, you know, in their own way. What's going to separate me?

I'm like, let me be the most consistent and give good quality and actually be good. You know what I'm saying? So I start dropping, me and my cameraman, Travis Mascito, start dropping damn there every week, you know. and I don't see nobody else dropping like that and it's good and then my fan base is just going up

I'm like okay this is what they want so when I call be ready be ready be ready I'm sometimes I was so unorganized but something gonna happen right here you feel me but then I started taking my videos from street videos to actually making them videos with a storyline and shit like that

separating myself from the rappers that just got a thousand niggas in the street you feel me in the alley dude, I've been doing that since forever. But it's crazy because there's a big extent to which people want to see that shit. Yeah, yeah. I keep that mixed in.

I keep it mixed in, you feel me? I keep it mixed in, but I have options now. Like, I used to do that because I didn't have nowhere to go. You feel me? Now I got options. Now I'm getting a little creative, you feel me? And people, I'm feeling to fuck people up because they think I'm just a gang-banging rapper

when I'm really an artist. You feel me? That's what's up. Yeah, I'm on. When did Trady take interest? Where did that come from? For a lot of people who don't know, Trady, I interviewed back in the day. He was part of the East Siders and shit, and he's Long Beach legend.

At what point did he say, hey, you got some talent? In 2017, the homie big fave show Trady my shit. And Trady and his wife, Cuniac was like, you know, oh, yeah, this a nigga dope. And we started working since then. but that's when I was still in that bad. You feel me? That's when I was still taking losses real hard. You feel me?

I was out of my body. Right. You feel me? Trying to rap. I could. I go to a studio like once a week or something. But did Tradee see that? Because I'm sure he knows what that mentality is.

It wasn't nothing nobody can do. Right. That's some real shit I was going through. But now they've seen me grow. You feel? me right now I'm ready I'm I'm gonna take over to West Coast mm-hmm that's what's up I have no doubt in my mind that's what's gonna happen that's hard what a what did trade E teach you or how did he kind of support you

trying to take your career to the next level I mean they always they've been behind me pushing me you know you know basically giving me they they blueprint of what they went through you know so I don't make the same certain mistake or just so I can be a little more elite than the next, you feel me? Right. And I couldn't really listen to what they were saying at certain times. You feel me? Because I had to bump my, I'm one of them people that got to bump their head.

Right. You know, for me to actually know. So I'm just, I just thank God that I didn't bump my head to the point there was no coming back. Right. You feel me? But yeah, they just, you know, they offered their help in hand. you feel me so I'm taking that and then I'm right now I'm just taking it to the I took what they taught me I took what multiple people taught me my brother and I'm taking it to the fullest

extent yeah beyond that definitely but like how does Tradee give you advice about like being in the streets and shit because he he's very well known in that world but he's definitely seen the the downsides of being in the streets and shit and like how does he advise you because on one hand I think a lot of your fans probably really want to hear that kind of content from you but then at the same time obviously that kind of content is going to hold you back to a certain

extent. My second trade he's like deed up cuss deed up cud you don't need to be out there worried about that bullshit cud and the next second he's like that's who we are though he like this who we are

cuck fuck them diggins if that's how we got to move that's how we go move a lot of older gang bangers depending on what side of the bed they woke up on you could get either of those types of advice for him for sure yeah that's how we is you feel me and he and the shit that's kind of you know that's how i you feel me one moment i'm like man fuck them niggas i ain't worry about that nigg and then sometimes i feel like i got to let niggas know you know and that's just me that's me wanting to you know but i'm not i i know not to let shit get to me me and I know how far to take it with niggas because especially with no rapper niggas or

nothing like that I'm not fend to play with these niggins when I know they don't know what they're getting their self into by fucking with us right you feel me like I'm getting myself into some bullshit I'm gonna end up going to jail I'm gonna be the one sitting there getting towed on you feel me this shit for real over here on my side right I'm not I'm not no I'm not no industry rapper I'm barely a rapper you feel me That's how you feel? I'm not a rapper. Look, but I'm rapping to get up out of here.

You feel me? I know I can tell you right now, I'm nothing like nobody else in the game right now. Really? Nothing like them. You just feel like you came up differently and been through more shit? I took it differently. I can't say I've been through more than somebody. I don't know them, you feel me?

But I see a lot of their actions and I see a lot of shit that they go through. My people would never go through. You feel me? We take this shit serious. I take it serious. So I'm not going to let nobody play with me. I hope nobody don't. You feel me?

And just like there's certain situations that's going on right now in the industry, you know, even with the shit as simple as Lil Durk in the Cuando situation. Like, you know, I can't say how shit's supposed to go, but I can tell you how it wouldn't go over here. Right. You feel me? Well, I mean, that shit is crazy because, Obviously, everybody likes Lil Dirk's music more than Quarandor.

Yeah. But when you look at how that Tim guy acted in that situation, that's the fuck he's supposed to do. He did exactly what any rapper who has guys with guns around him wants them to do. And Little Dirk understand that. Oh, yeah. He knows, you feel me? And that, but the thing is, that shit, I can tell you that shit eating him up

to even see these niggas outside still. Right. And he out of jail? Mm-hmm. You out of jail? My nigga gone? Yeah. Please.

Please. My music kind of went on hold for a minute. Right. My music, I'm like, I don't even want to speak into details what I would do. But that's the question for a lot of people who end up in that situation. Like, he's there in, or like, you know, all the dudes are on that side are in the exact same situation that you're talking about that you were in with your sister, where you feel like a fucking monster. You only know hate and rage in that moment. For them, it's like, it's really a question, like,

because if you're going to go and try to shoot at one of them dudes, like you're going to have to really be on some crazy ass stalking them, waiting. Like, that's a lot to bite off for anybody. Now, they're ready right now. You feel me? They're ready right now. They know that people want them dead right now for sure. But when shit happened like that, you're supposed to hear it right back right now.

You feel me? Now that you didn't let motherfuckers get ready. You feel me? But you probably never have beef with anybody who was that ready. Yeah. Who means? I mean? We stay ready.

The I'm sure the off stay ready. I'm sure that I've stay ready. But these are dudes who have a lot of money and they can afford real security and they're signed to major labels. You're saying like that type of ready where like it's a fort outside. I'm saying even if there's a million dudes in Chicago who want to kill someone over that King Vaughn situation, it's a lot to bite off when you're talking about the actual recording artist who moves. intelligently, which I'm not saying that Quanta Rondo's moving intelligently all the time, but you could assume that he could probably afford to move in a certain way. He can, yeah, yeah.

I mean, yeah, but I'm saying that's why I said exactly when it happened. Or like right when shit happened, you're supposed to get on top of it. Because you know it took niggas a couple days to be like, come on, we need to make sure this and this and that. You feel me? But ain't nobody untouchable. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. You feel me?

And I'm not saying like, oh, I'm not. I'm not, because it's hard to be in a little dirt position, though. Me going up in my career right now and people in my ear telling me to keep doing the right thing, you feel me? Because I could throw my shit away. And then we both lost. Yeah. But what the fuck, what you're going to stand on? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Am I going to keep rapping like this, though? You feel me? Am I going to keep rapping this gangster shit, though, like that? Who give a fuck what people think? but it's what I said. You feel me? I wish somebody would.

And I'm dead ass. When I can play with me, the rap shit go out the window. And I pray to God, just leave me alone. Yeah. Leave me alone. Yeah. No, definitely. You don't want to end up in that position.

No, man. And I literally, I like Little Dirk, and I just, like, basically start paying attention to Kwondo. I like Kondo, too. Like, you feel me? I like Kondo for the simple fact that you're banging crazy. Yeah, fuck it. So you just appreciate all the crips all over the world, even if you don't know anything else about?

Hey, all the crips in the industry tap the fuck in. It's that time right now. We're taking back over, because. Definitely. Yeah, that's just crazy, too. Just the fact that, you know, obviously young boys wrapped up in all this shit. And then young boy catches this case. And it's like, oh, he might be gone from five, ten years.

That's just wow. When that happens. That's the middle of all that. Yeah. That's some bush. And I can tell you slightly to put like how he fit that. He feel dumb as a motherfucker. No matter how crazy you thought you was going outside, bro, that shit bring you back to

your regular human. When you're in jail, you get sentencing all that. You're like, oh, hell no. But we keep seeing some of our favorite rappers do that shit over and over, like Kodak and young boy, where it's like it's so obvious that you can make. $10 million this year. You need to stay the fuck away from that street shit. When you actually look at how young boy got caught up, it's like, oh, you were on probation

and you were handling all these firearms. And they ended up getting the fucking memory card from the cameraman. And they seen you holding all these guns. Boom. You're going to go to prison maybe for 10 years over the fact that you couldn't resist the urge to be flexing with guns in music videos instead of just being like, all right, fucking, I'm going to get security. And I'm never going to touch a gun for the rest of my life.

Possession, I think that's what that's called. Constructive possession. I knew that's what they do in the field. But yeah, that's dumb as fuck. That's how much people love the street shit is that even once they made it, they can't leave that shit alone. That's dumb as fuck.

I would say that. I mean, I can tell you, I'm dumb too. Not that dumb, though. Right. You feel me? I'm not that dumb. So if that's all, like when you got it already, when you got it

what the fuck are you doing the people what the fuck are the people around young boy doing right I feel like he's just like unstoppable if there's somebody who wants to stop him he's just going to be like no like it's not happening like you can't stop me from doing what I want to do

and it's such a big difference between where you're at and where he's at too though because he just so you have to protect yourself like if you got caught up on certain things I would understand that you are in a position as a person who's in this weird state of having millions of views on YouTube, but also still being around these people and stuff. He can go and perform in a concert and make a half a million dollars for a show.

That is not a regular-ass opportunity. That's the kind of opportunity that means your boys carry the guns. You stay the fuck away from the guns and you keep it that way because you can't afford to go to jail. See, and even now with me and my niggas, I'm like, give me the gun. They're like, no. You know what I'm saying? Don't give him the gun.

That's all you hear. You feel me? And I can be as ignorant as I want, but as long as like my big brother said, if you got somebody that's willing to bump heads with you and your crowd over doing the right thing for you, that's the motherfucker you keep around. You feel me? I might not appreciate it now, but tomorrow in the morning I'll be like, yeah, he was right. You feel me?

Right. So, yeah, the motherfucker is, I get it too. when you got that much, when you got that much money, and you paid it, and I pay you, y'all kind of got to do what the fuck I say. You know what I'm saying? Or you could get fired or you could get on. Yeah, if you get a manager who's going to tell you, like,

no more lean, no more smoking blunts on Instagram, no more touching guns, having guns around, like we're going to be super strict about what girls we let around you and shit. He's going to be like, fuck this shit. I ain't a new manager. Are you going to do it anyway or are you going to get a new manager? Yeah, so. If you get a drill sergeant manager, you're going to fire the man.

like if you just really want to do whatever the fuck you feel like doing. And I mean, he's still young. Yeah. You already, when you go to jail multiple times while you're up like that and you do this shit again and you didn't learn, you didn't want to learn. You don't want to learn. You thought you was high power. You thought you was about a lot.

Money, when it comes to the feds, money don't even matter. They got all the money. They seized the money. They got the houses. The car. It don't matter how much motherfucking money you got. Sometimes it might.

Like might. But I've seen motherfuckers come in there, you know, trying to pay damn there over $23 million while I'm sitting in there with them. Right. And they only get like, you know, probably like 10 years knocked off

their 30-year sentence. They don't need that money. So no matter how high power, any rapper think they is, you know it's probably like three or four that can really pull some motherfucking strings but you're going to jail do you feel like you're on the cops radar

in Long Beach like do they're out to get you what they love me and hate me really yeah bro they ride they play my music when they see me they like bro they harassed me a little bit but when I get in the car they ask me all the type of mother the fucking question.

Yeah. And I don't understand. I just don't understand them. Like, how y'all, how y'all love my shit? Y'all love my get-down, because we're the ones they study. So they fall in love with it. You know what I'm saying? And especially with the real ones.

How y'all love me like that, but want to put me away, really take me away. For some shit that y'all don't even have to do. Right. They get up on me real. thirsty all the time, bro. Damn. So are you thinking about leaving Long Beach? What? I need to go now.

Right now. I swear to God, like, man. Like, I love Long Beach, but no, put me in somewhere nice. Sit me up. Right. I'm going, I'm way more than the game. You go Signal Hill. It's like five minutes down the road.

Boom. That's still Long Beach. They know me too. Signal Hill cops now? Yeah, man. Man, what the fuck are you doing over here? That's what they say when they see me. But, yeah, man, put me up somewhere nice. I'm, man, I'm going to be a suit and tie in a minute.

You got to make it to the valley. Yeah. Because people from Long Beach, if they want to shoot us some shit or whatever, they're not driving through all that downtown L.A. traffic. That's way too far. No. They don't have enough gas. I don't think there's been a such thing.

I don't think there's been a such thing unless it was personal issues like baby mama, baby daddy drama or something like that. Fuck, no. That's why nobody beef. That's why we don't necessarily beef with L.A. gangs or, you know, I.E. gangs or ain't fin of drive way over here. Yeah. Y'all going to be sitting over there waiting for a nigga by the time we get there.

You know, wait outside Jamba Juice? Y'all going to drive way back over here. That shit is out. That's the funniest shit about L.A. is that dudes from Hoods will, like, move to downtown L.A. It's like a fucking eight-minute drive. But it's like they're in fucking Dubai in their mind over there. Nothing could happen to me here.

Out of the hood. Yeah, for sure. That shit crazy. Definitely. So anything you got coming up? Like, what are you working on? What's the next big moves you're planning on making? Right now I'm working on my deluxe album called Fifth Forever on Flamed Eyeboard.

Yeah, I'm fucking around with my sound. I'm coming out crazy now, you feel me? I can't wait to show everybody. I can't wait to show everybody really how I'm coming. So I'm doing that. I'm fucking around doing shows and shit right now. I just really want to take over. That's what I'm going to do.

I want to drop high singles back to back. And then when people really, I'm a, I have to show the new eyes my story again. I know that for sure. You feel me? I know my fans, you know. But when I really break it down into detail, it's like peeling layers back from me. You feel me? Yeah, so I'm just ready to do what I do.

I'm ready to put the West Coast on something crazy Because it's spots on the West Coast that need to be filled. Really? What kind of spots? I say it's like three. I say it's like three. I say for sure I say Nip left a spot open. You know, I like the game, but he kind of like, I don't know, you know, on whatever. He's kind of over the music to a certain extent, I think. You know, it's just, it's just like,

I feel like it's three powerful voices, maybe a singer. Seymack the Loeb. He could be one. I don't think C. Mac going, I don't think CMA going to be like a powerful voice, for the way, it's because, but I think CEMAC is there. We don't get him there.

I think CEMAC is hilarious, but I see him crippling for real. I can't knock that. I need to know what's going on with him while he's locked up right now. I see five, five, cripping and all that, but I mean, hey. But yeah, so, yeah, so I'm definitely gonna feel one of those spots for the West

Coast. Hell yeah. You know. It's for the taking. Whoever put in the most work, and I'm put in the work. For sure. Put in the work, produce good music, you know, and I'm gonna leave by example. And I'm gonna open doors for the people who really got talent, because nobody opened doors

us really they don't share out here and that's why I think it's dope honestly seeing you working with trade d because sometimes it feels like you don't see like the next generation necessarily like respecting or appreciating their elders sometimes and I would love to see him be able to like blossom into that role of like somebody who could help put artists on and shit you know I think that's dope to see you guys even trying to try to work that dynamic because I know he's helped you a lot seeing you on vibe multiple times he's the one who hollered to me about about talking to you and everything like I I see your music as its own momentum, but I just think that it's pretty cool seeing that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They not, bro, ain't nobody helping nobody really out here. You feel me? They can act like they're doing little sprinkles and sprinkles here and there. But I'm seeing the South. I'm seeing everybody else helping their artists. You know what I'm saying? Over here, it's like, ooh, see hot.

See hot, let me, you know, not letting this nigga in hand. Right. You know, let me step in front of him. Let me steal his style. You know what I'm saying to keep my shit going. And really, we don't even be trying to come take your spot. I'm just trying to feed my family. And I come from where you come from.

Right. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you hand something down? Like, okay, and make it keep going. And maybe you even still can benefit off me, keep going, because I'm still going to give that, I'm going to give you your flowers. Yeah, you feel me? Definitely.

But that's where, that's what I'm gonna do. I respect it. What's, what do you have in your hair? Cinco, that's that five right there. That's my block and my hood. We already have, like I'm from one hood, but we got kind of our own sections, you know. I kind of made my own block.

You know what I'm saying? And it's the hottest shit right now. Really? Yeah. Because we took, we took our brother's, our brother's, really you know what I'm saying I got a buck you got 50 cents right you feel and not even that just these my niggas that I starved with slept in the cars with you feel me that ride with that we did everything and and kept our

mouth closed you feel me right and still to this day we like that so Sinko my my brothers Kai 3 Beano Riches you feel me Indian Blue we definitely hot I I don't know. You get a chance to see that shit coming up. We're definitely hot as a whole. Like, you feel me? And I guarantee we have a run. Definitely. You feel me?

But there's some real street shit right here. I call myself Highboy number five because of that. And the flames in there, you know, of course, because they call me flame. Only Crip named Flame. Do people get confused, though? You'd be in a Crip and having some red shit in your hair? Yeah, let me clear this shit up. Clear the shit all the way up.

For all you people in the comments. on YouTube. I see y'all talking shit and all that. I'm the only Crip named Flame. We can wear red and Long Beach because you can't mistake us for nothing else. Because there's no bloods in Long Beach, right? You can wear whatever the fuck we want to wear. And I'm going to continue

wearing what the fuck I want to wear. I'm going to keep saying big seats to the left side. That way. There it is. Much respect. D.W. Flame, thank you for coming in, man. Most of that. I appreciate you for having. The show. We should do stuff more often. I like you on camera. You got a good vibe

the camera. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Smooth talker. I've been doing this shit for a while. You fenned a couple situations in his life, I guess. Yeah, yeah, most of there. For sure. D.W. Flame, no jumbber, coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes. Like, comment, and subscribe. And we'll see y'all on Friday to listen to your music. Appreciate y'all.