No Jumper - The EBK Young Joc Interview: Stockton, 200 Blunts A Day, Losing His Brother & More

Episode Date: November 27, 2021

EBK Young Joc talks about his rise, upbringing in Stockton, Thizzler, Drakeo, Soulja Boy and more! https://www.instagram.com/officialebk... ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we got a superstar in the making. EBK, Young Jock, in the building. How you feeling, man? Hey, how is what going on? I'm feeling excellent today, man. Yeah, nice to have you here. So good looking.

You ain't been down to L.A. in a while, or is this a common occurrence? No, I'll be back and forth. Me and my guys be back and forth. We'd be here and there. Right. You feel like you get a lot more done when you're around here? Yeah, more moving around. more, I'll say like more connects, like you feel

feel me, down where I'm from it, it ain't really that much down there type of shit. We in the making of it, you feel me? Right, because for people who don't understand, you are kind of like the face of Stockton, which is really on a decent list of like up-and-coming northern California cities right now as far as rap goes. Never really been too many

superstars out of there, right? And you're kind of leading the charge? Excuse me. Yeah, it's about, I said it's about three, there's three main, like, main rappers down where I'm from, four, four to three. Yeah, big faces. And is that, is that a strange feeling? Because you, like, grew up just not really seeing celebrities come out of there? I mean, it ain't a strange feeling. We just, we, we, niggas just, we, you know that it's, like, you feel me?

It's like, it ain't, you know what I'm saying? We, we knew to this. Right, so, like, coming up, there wasn't, like, oh, geez that were trying to come sign you or put you on from your city. kind of had to get attention from outside the city? See, yeah, we had to get all that on our own. We ain't have older, how everybody else got other punners ready for them and stuff, front them, put them on and all that. We never had that down wheels from.

Right. Yeah, we had to get it on our own. We had to, you feel me, go get our boosted at, you know? Right, because, I mean, Stockton, like, how would you describe it? A lot of people say it's a shithole or that there's just really nothing going on. Would you agree with that? It depends on how you out there moving,

who you know. No, like you feel me, like it ain't all just got to be from Stockton. Like, you can have connects everywhere. Like, you can be shooting here and near, but connect it all back down to Stockton, you feel me, that's how you got to move with it. Right. Other motherfuckers don't move like that because they don't know nothing but Stockton, for me. Right.

Me, I know Oakland, Sag, San Jose, Fresno, L.A. But you were always the kind of person that was trying to go touch all these different cities? Yeah, but I just started that nothing. Like no cap, I just started that, no kidding. I'm really an anti-person, you feel me? Anti-social? Yeah. Or just anti-everything?

I'm just anti-everything. I'm just anti-everything. No cap on my mind. And you're everybody killer. Yeah. Makes sense. No cap. When I think about Stockton, though, I think about the Diaz brothers. The Diaz brothers?

The UFC fighters. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you tell me if I'm wrong, but they're kind of like a perfect. If Stockton is a crazy place, I mean, these are the craziest fucking dudes you ever seen in their life. I'd be beating some ass. I ain't a lot of you, man. And they'd be getting high as fuck. They'd be smoking weed right before the drug test at their USC fights

so that the test says that they have like five million times more weed in their system than they're allowed to. Is that a stocking thing? Yeah, I ain't a lot of stocking thing. We'd be getting hot. I mean, you're up north. You have access to a lot more good product. But me, I wouldn't be playing with them drug tests. No?

No. I ain't getting hot before no. drug test I ain't playing like that. You never smoked a blunt before the weed test? Uh-uh. That's good. You're talking about probation is it? Yeah. No. No. You can't play like that. No. I don't see them bars again at all. Yeah, because I mean, if they failed their drug test before a USC fight, I mean, they get disqualified and they don't get the like, you know, quarter million dollars they were going to get or whatever, but they don't have to go to prison, which is good. I ain't even really not even getting high. Oh, yeah. Because like now, I, I'll be fighting

testing with the guys and shit. I'll be getting tired. I can't do that. And they be in there really fighting for some minutes, like, or hours, how could they do that? Right. But you know what it is is that the jiu-jitsu dudes in general, like, you know, you're just fighting on the ground and stuff. And I guess those guys be getting high as hell before they do that because they like to be, like, really in the zone while they're wrestling. Yeah, I don't see how they can do that. I'll be getting tired. I'm tapping up.

For sure. So tell me a little bit about your particular upbringing, like, how everything was going for you as a young gentleman growing up in Stockton. I mean, everything was cool, you know, regular kids, you know, regular street in your life, you feel me? Started off, they used to play. I ain't never played no sports, you know what, skateboard, you know what? I used to skateboard. Oh, really?

You were nice? Yeah, I didn't know, I was nice. I'm still nice. I was still with a kick foot on somebody, you feel me? Really? I don't know. That's good to know. I don't know.

Yeah, that's what we used to do. You used to skateboard. I say, you know, chilling in little spots and shit, you know, playing. running in bandit houses, you from making little shit like that. You know, I used to jerk, do all that kind of shit. Like, you feel like, that's damn their how I'm rapping and shit. I even with no cap, because, you know, everything was popping. I was always the kid, like, whatever popping I was into it.

I was good at it, you know? So it's like, I never play games. Okay. You're outside. Mm-hmm. Yes, sir. But so jerk and help get you interested in music in general or rapping? Yeah, because, you know, I used to listen to hell of music.

Like, you feel, like, everything. Like, you feel? That's what I used to do. That's kind of personal I was. Like, mom used to be like, what's going for Christmas? My brother's name used to, my brother's name used to get games.

I expect my on an iPad. I mean, iPod, you feel me, shit like that. Earphones on my phone, something. Something like listening to music on, I'm outside skateboarding and shit, you mean. Right, definitely. I feel like that's good though, because a lot of, like, skateboarding kind of,

I've seen it over the years, turn a lot of young people into, like, people who are actually interested in the culture and what's going on, whether it's rapping or just being involved with creative shit in general. Yeah. I was done, like, yeah, if motherfuckers pay close attention to my pictures and shit,

I still, you know, just like, rock star lifestyle might not make it, but I made it, shit. So when you walk in the store to go shopping, you still tend to gravitate towards things that have a little bit of skateboard flavor to them? Yeah, even I don't really like wearing bright colors and shit. I'm on the dark colors and shit. Right. Were you always kind of an antisocial professional performance? person as a young man or is that something that you grew into over time?

Yeah, I was always anti-social. I have no kidding. In what way? Like, you know, because sometimes I feel like that about myself, but then I say that to people and they're like, how the fuck are you anti-social? You talk to people all day. I'm like, yeah, but in between that, I'm like very to myself. Like, I need a long time.

I'm not trying to be out partying 100% of the time or whatever. You said in what way? I say about like, I used always fight my little friends and shit, miscellaneous. little friends I used to have, but I used to always beat their ass and shit. My brother used to be like, but what is you doing, bro? You always fighting your friends and see, I never got along with no friends. Really? I don't know why. That's probably why. That's probably why. I know. I'm not sure. I ain't like nobody. Right. What about all the people you're with right now? They just somehow managed to survive,

you having this personality? Oh, no, they stuck around to me fighting their ass. Well, that's nice. Well, that's nice. We all really family, so, you know, that's our family go. We fight each other. and shit. Right. Tripping each other as family. Anybody get over. Right.

So you're skating and, like, just sort of doing all this. When did you start to transition into making music and whatnot? I say, like, because I didn't really grow up all my brothers from me. My dad had us all departed for me. We all met around, like, I say, like, in elementary and shit. You said your dad had you deported? Departed, like, right from each other, like, you're in any type of shit. Separate, yeah, okay.

I'm good. At first I thought you meant deported. super confused what an asshole no my mom no yeah he had us departed that we ain't know each other so boom we met each other you feel i start meeting on my little siblings and shit and my older brother my boy he was rapping and stuff you feel like that's the first person i laid eyes on that i got close to that was rapping right he was rapping and shit he was in the studio doing his thing or whatever you feel me and i like guy bro is doing this shit you know my my brother passed away and shit so when he passed

before he passed away i said like a month before he passed away he was trying to have me get on a song but i was too shy with him and the homies inside the studio you feel me a bunch of people in the studio is a little too intense yeah so i left and shit for me and then after that he just started dropping his music going crazy my ballet music that was his little he was going to call his little label my ballet music so yeah so that but that's how was going to first that but that's how he was going to and then he passed away soon after that? Yeah. What happened?

He got shot. My homie put some iffy stuff. You know, how shit got. Really? Yeah. Homies on homies. Friendly fire. Really?

So it wasn't like anybody tried to shoot him. It just happened? No, nobody got up close to my eye. Yeah, friendly fire. Wow. So how did that change you when you lost your brother? Especially to somebody I called, bro. They made me really look at shit different.

I'm not cap. We would be watching niggas, watch how they move. You feel me, just got to, that's why I really just stayed to myself. That was another reason why niggas are anti-social. And so the person who shot them got locked up? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Well, at least you have resolution to what happened and shit, at least. But so, okay, did that make you think, though? Like, shit, I got to carry on the family name, or I got to be the brother of the family. I got to start making this music. Yeah, it wasn't even really at thinking of like, That's even the family. It was like, this is what I'm going to do for him. Right.

Like, this is what I'm going to do for bro. I'm going to keep bro shit going. I'm like, yeah. So I didn't really know I really had it in me, though. Really? I just started getting in a studio, booking a little time here and there. I used to call myself a leak. A leak?

Yeah, a leak. How so? Yeah, it's because my name. Yeah, my real name. Rhymed with it, you for me? Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So you were a Malik? And then you changed it to? A leak. No, that's my daughter name. My daughter name, Alec. My name, my real name, Jalik. Oh, okay. There you go.

And so at first, I'm assuming you weren't having any success as a rapper. Like, how did you start getting some kind of attention on it? Like, real attention, like, my motherfuckers really started looking at my shit. Yeah. Or even on an underground level. Rap Shack. Okay. Yeah.

You know what I was fucking with them? I had a fake, I had a fake manager, you feel me, but it was on some hood shit, you know, the hood start, we all start doing some shit, like, you know, EBCK, J-Ball, all of us, like, you know, we was all a group, you know?

We had some people from the hood. The EBK Hot Boys. Yeah, sir, we was a group, for me. So it's like, and then I auto partner from my hood, like, how you ask us about, like, if we ever had somebody to put us on, my mistakes, I ran into somebody, you, from he, I got out of jail,

it's my older partner from my hood, but he's been in jail so long. And he, like, even, he been hearing, we've been going crazy, you know? And we've been paying for studio time, feel me? He, like, he seemed to shoot a video on the hood one time. When he got out, he pulled it up, you feel me?

I know, a little porch shark had this shit. We're like, what's dude? Because when he ain't seen him in so long, you feel me? He's like, come on, bro, I got a studio. I like what y'all doing. Y'all little niggas doing something positive. You even? I like what y'all doing?

Come on, I got a studio. I'm like, for real? He's like, I look like I'm lying, bro. Come on. shot to the studio. And every since we shot to the studio, he's like, y'all late, y'all sleep here, y'all do whatever y'all want to do, y'all, you feel me?

You ain't got to lead it, it's about to show our house. Wow. And so you took full advantage of that? I start recording all the time. I swear to God. That's back doing, I ain't a lot of niggas. I didn't know a lot of niggas. You feel?

No caps. We'd be up for days? Up for days. Like, the home needs to be sleeping inside the couches. Like, you know, on the couches inside the studio. Like, you feel? It was a hair saline barbershop mixed together type of shit, you feel me? Wow.

Everybody used to be in there sleep. I used to be the only one of it. I'd be in the record myself. You feel me? Go in there, press the little record button, right inside the studio, put my headphones on. Rhyda, right back out.

You see me? I'm on some of my songs, if y'all go back and look a couple years ago, that's a little resting. Wow. That's pretty incredible. So what was your mentality at that time? You're like, I'm just going to really grind

until I just get better or until I start figuring out what I'm going to do with this shit? Yeah. No, I'm just like, me. It was like, oh, we, like, I really like music. So, you know, that's what I think was doing type of shit. And what's the scene I had a studio. I took full of vintage of my studio time, you feel me? It's like, you got to put this in a choke over and I got make as many songs as you could. Right. Damn. Did you see yourself just getting way better during that

process? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every song got made, I was getting better, better, you from making itself more, right? Right. Definitely. Were you, um, was this kind of like something that was saving you from what you were up to in the streets at that time, or was this sort of keeping you out of trouble? Yeah, it was because like I said, I had a little fake weight manager, for me. Like, we would get into it with her. Like, you think like, shit, like, she'd be fake like talking about it. I was like, we need her and shit.

Like, you feel, you feel? Shit like me. But we'd be talking to her like, nah, we don't need you. Like, we'd go back to the streets. Like, you feel? This is what we came from. Like, girl, you crazy. We come from the streets.

know where we come from. Like, when we don't, she'd be like, no, I'm not, because she knew, like, she don't want us out there. She knew we were doing something positive, you know what? And my uncle went back to jail. We called him Uncle G., for me. So that's his wife. She took over everything, you know.

Damn. So, yeah, we used to be like, yeah, man, that's what really kept us out the streets, that studio. We used to let her know. Like, you from, that's what keep us out of the streets, you know? But as I've been at that studio, doing hell of shit, motherfuckers just to call it the trap, hell of shit here and there. Like, you feel?

And it wasn't even really like that You know, we were just We became K hot boys So, you know, we high heads, you feel That's how we was back then We was a little young Right High head, things were

But people didn't know where you were You weren't having issues With people trying to slide on the spot That's what I was getting to right now You feel me, like motherfuckers just caught at the trap Because we used to have hell of motherfuckers Pulling up doing hell of shit

Like, you feel me on some miscellaneous That shit Dumb stuff, you feel me? Like, you know, man We, we crashed out over there type shit. A little shit started following. out over there we start getting in a little little stuff up there little politics you

don't know what regular stuff of motherfuckers know where niggas at that's trying to elevate they so you feel and are the other cops and stocked and like all over it like if you are getting into any shenegans they're like on it because I'm assuming that they take the gang shit pretty seriously out there I'm on my my on my on my own they on it yeah no cap they on it I'm a no feeling they on it you still spend time there yeah I resign stuck then. You haven't chose to leave yet? No, not yet.

Not yet. But you're considering it? Yeah. You know, but like I said, I'm a long feeling like I said, I'm a long feeling like, you feel me? I really want to like, you feel? I got to turn myself in type of shit, you feel? Oh, really? Yeah.

Soon? Yeah. You're just getting this out of the way first? Yeah. Getting everything out the way, you feel? I'm working hard right now. You feel me, I'm dropping out of December 3rd, but I go in December 6th. Wow.

Yep. but it's a little turnaround you know I get something out the way a little sit down right quick they got me 10 months away after that it's gonna get a little five months little turnaround after that are you trying to get out of Stockton

or does it seem like an emergency or you kind of whatever I'm not living like you're doing I'm out there already I'm in Stockton I'm back and forth to Lado but I live in Stockton right

yeah I mean so okay you start you're recording in the studio all the time and then a bunch of bullshit starts happening it gets burnt out you have to stop hanging out there, what happens from there? I say, what happened from that? But when we stopped, we stopped going to the studio.

Thistler in me. Right, okay. So explain Thizzler for anybody who's not really familiar with NorCal music scene. Thistler, a big label that had a big help a part of my life. My mom and their label, they got crazy. Blown a lot of people up on social media and YouTube

and everything over the years. West Coast, yeah, they had another label to get you blood up in West Coast. And I'm kept my mama, they're good. people. They like family. So they reached out to you and what was the conversation like? It was like, you know, they're trying to have me, they wanted me to come down and sit down with them and get a talk with him. But my brother Briss, he had already, Briss and G, man, they had already had, they already had, they had, fucked with them and shit. They was already doing something with them,

you feel me? So I wasn't really familiar with him. And Briss was in jail, feel me? At this time, when I just started messing with his, you know, Bruce was in jail. He called me like, yeah, he called me, like boom you know what you're doing like nothing to do you like I'm like bro I got to you feel me with this he's like yeah bro go mess with him bro I'm telling you bro you're good you feel me that's he gave me to like the go so it was like bam I went up there with him and talked to that with him and it was good from there I've been I'm being fucking with them and I'm being up you feel I keep my numbers going right because I mean did you have options around that time with like major labels talking to you did you choose to sort of go with something a small

more underground operation? No, I ain't, no other labor was tapping it with me, no, none of that, you know, around that time I was just all for it and me, like, everything I had was me, like, you see me? A lot of people probably wouldn't, like, get what you were doing, too, like, they're more connected to that world. Once there's a hit me, I'll start, you know, hey, I'm up there, because it in type of shit in my wrist, like, you feel, like, you kept, you know?

Well, how did you begin having that relationship? up with Briss. Like I told you, we had that studio. Oh, he was up in there a lot? Yeah. I went to jail. Like, I went to jail. Boom. I went to jail. My little manager had built me out for me. They built me out. I got out like a couple of weeks later, but I'm going through my little request day and my DM. And like I told you, I was a fan. I listened to Sack people back down. He's listening to every Sack person. I found me back down. I was just a fan of Sike people. even like every rapper fan of every rapper you know how rappers be listening to music

you know how rappers be watching a lot of rappers every rapper gonna slap every rapper but like no cap like why will we like they watch the shit they like they watch the shit they don't like to pick up on what they really don't like everybody see everything yeah ain't no cap to that no kizzy so boom I'm going to my little request

I see bris hit me you feel me like what's up fool for me you're going crazy boom trying to fuck with niggas or whatever man. I'm like, yeah, I'm excited, though. You feel? I'm at the bell behind his people. I'm just getting out, for me. I'm excited, you know, my people's like, I need a damn, what's just so excited for him? I'm like, I need a bridge just in me, you know? Some fiend shit, I have some fans, but he was like a real hero. It's just so many kids from up north in particular.

But, you know, me being a fan of him, I'm not even knowing. He's a fan of me. Like, he's listening to my shit. Like, you know, my views and shit is so low, but I'm not, you think? I just go crazy. Everybody, some motherfuckers was on me. Like, you feel me? Like, you go crazy. Like, for me, he's a fan of me. He's like, nigga, we're going crazy.

What's up? We get them there pull up. I'm like, I'm at the studio. I'm in Stockton. He's like, it's good. We ain't good. I give him the address. Boom, he pull up.

We make, we make rock and roll. Okay. Yeah, we make rock and roll. My moment, that was our little first song, I'm God. And you guys just had real good chemistry from the beginning? Yeah, like you feel me? But before we made the song, though, we was messing around. Like, you feel me?

fucking with it. Like, you feel me? Like, you trying to figure each other out. Like, you feel trying to see what niggas on type of shit. That's far. Did he kind of give you more of the blueprint of making you feel like this was possible? Yeah, my mama, like, he always, my mom, he always kept me going.

Like, I wish bro was here when he's still, like, you feel like, he was a big part of, uh, what I say, like, he was a big part of my, the people that was rooting for me. Like, you know, he was one of the ones. Like, bro, you gotta keep going to be on. You gonna be on top with this shit. Like, you feel me, bro? How long was it after you made that song and shit that he passed?

What, rock and roll? Yeah. How long ago was that? Like how long between that and then him passing? It couldn't have been that long. No, that was long ago. I've been fucking reversed for a many now, feel me? I say about three going on four years now.

Right. God, that was really brown. So what was it like when you found out about his passing? I, man. Some shit a nigger. I couldn't even stomach that. Like that was really one of my brothers For me

Like now it's like I know cab I can't even really like Like listen to my nigga music Without feeling Really? Really Um

It's like bro One of my blood brothers For me Are you still Put in out music that you did with him Like your current projects Have like features from him and shit Like is that just stuff that you did previously

That you're just now putting out? Nah Nah like one song with him on there, them there, my emails type jizzy for me. Oh, okay. But I ain't put it out on. You're not putting it out?

No. His name very much, like it's crazy how much we end up talking about him still on the podcast after all these years. I'm on, girl, like, that's really my brother I'm gonna grab. Yeah, definitely. On everything. So how did your shit actually start really going up?

Like, when do you define, like, when you first started to kind of get more of an eye on you? I say about like real eye like when did real eyes start getting on me yeah because now you're doing millions on videos all the time like when did that start to really like oh shit I'm kind of kind of really doing something out here I said about a year yeah type of yeah I only been rapping for like four years type shit going on four years I'm on only for four years I'm big now type shit so it's like I I start getting on me about a year like a year right going on going on here how that sort of to feel in terms of just realizing like oh shit this is actually working i've been grinding my whole life of this

well i'm gonna cap that shit's really like it's shocking still for me like it's really shocking still for me like it's really shocking for me like me like me being around big rappers like you feel me i'm a i'm a cool niggie so it's like you feel me real cool guy i even no faking you feel right but it's like you feel me i fuck like you feel like i'm a I'm a cool nigga so it's like you feel with a lot of rappers. Like, even every West Coast rapper, you feel me? Like, you feel like, I'm, like, fuck with me. Like, you feel like, no captain.

But it's like, just you growing up, you've been around so many people that wanted to be rappers and that, obviously, for 99% of them, it doesn't turn into anything. And then for you to really even just be at the point that you're at now where you can get, have this big of fan base and stuff, it is pretty crazy, especially coming from where you're from and making the kind of music you make where you're not really compromising your shit at all. Yeah, I mean, shit, it's like, you know, Like I said, it's really shocking, man. Like, sometimes I don't even be knowing how to feel.

Like, how big I'm getting. Like, I still be going back looking at my shit, like, look, bro, like, this is where you came from. Like, you know, I still be telling my niggas, like, you just got to keep it going, bro. But, you know, I never stop this. This is what a nigga really want to do. This is me, for me.

I fuck with music. It's me. You start having a lot more attention on you on, like, a street level, where you start feeling like, oh, people are jealous, people don't want me to be shining or doing my thing. No, no, no, okay, but it's always been, like, that's what it always been down when I'm from, you know? Like, you feel me, on my side, me and my niggas, like, you feel me?

We are different, like, you feel me? We are really a different type of, like, our demeanor different, you know, like, from everybody else down, we're from. So, you feel, like, we don't fit in where I'm from. Like, we're different. Like, we more bay. type, like, you feel me? Because that's where my family from, my family from the back.

Right. My mom and my, you feel in my, you feel like me? So it's like I was raised halfway down there type of shit. Did you feel like you blew up more on like a city-wide level first, or do you feel like you blew up with like the internet crowd first? I say the internet crowd first. Really? Yeah, but I always been, let's not say popular.

We're always been a regular thing. But everybody always knew me down there. I'm from. Like, I'm a known person that I'm where I'm from. Okay. Makes sense. One thing that I saw when I was watching Swamp Stories about you and about Stockton in general, they said that you are kind of like intentionally misleading about where you're from. Like you've done multiple different interviews where you basically say that you're from a different place in every interview?

No, look, this is where we're going to get this straight with these motherfuckers. Let's go on. Let's get this straight. I like that. I like where you're coming from. I like it. No, my mom and them, my mom and them from. Oakland. Okay. So when I was little, I said about like around six in the middle of 10, nine and shit.

I was raised down there type of shit, me with my mom. Like, we just jumped in here and there, you know, regular struggles, like, you see me? So we move with my grannies and then, like, my mom really East Oakland, 7-1, for me. That's where my mom, from her granny, like all of that, for me. So that's where me and my brothers, so I'm like, everybody in Oakland know me, for me, everybody. Like, you know, that's my grounds. For me, I was second home. Fee me, no cap. Now, all that sack, I don't know about a sack, none of that.

Just Stockton in Oakland. That's where I was raised at back and forth, you feel me. That's my second one. Right. Now, Stockton. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that we're talking about. I'm from Stockton, though, for me. That's what I read, for me, even though I was raised in Oakland.

Right. I mean, it's just not that simple for most people. Like, most people do not get to be like, oh, yeah, I'm from this place. I was born here, and I stayed there until I was 35. You know, it's like motherfuckers just move around. like yeah like me come on bro what the fuck type of shit is that like i'm from stockton but niggas i was raised in the bay and especially they're talking they're talking about you as a kid

before you even had control over where you lived like you live where your fucking parents tell you to live i even know where the fuck i lived at the 905th at mac arthur come on bro he's not these motherfuckers don't know nothing right some of these motherfuck's from the bay no you're not i didn't see chion of stocking y'all whole life man right i don't say nothing about it you know It's nothing. I don't want to be from the Bay, feel me? Right. Everybody be under my shit. You want to be from the Bay?

No, I don't. You feel me? And there's like a wave behind Stockton now, too, where people are in, people are looking at you like, you're not just another rapper from the Bay or from Oakland or whatever. It's like, you're the dude coming out of Stockton. That's exciting for people. Yeah, they'd be trying to get at me hell of sideways.

Like, nah, man, like y'all hating on me, y'all mad because I'm a fly-ass stockton, you, even, I was what y'all mad about you. You think? I'm a fly-ass valley nigg. y'all mad about that you for me they're going crazy i mean shit you know i can't knock y'all been mad in me to shit you know what my fuckers be but what really made you rap in the beginning was it the fact that you wanted to blow up and be a big rap star or did you have something that you wanted to say to other people in your city were you thinking of it on a smaller level when you started nah i was it was fun

like you can i didn't really i know i ain't really had nothing to prove to nobody through this rap shit for me It's fun. Like I said once again, this is what I do. Like, you feel me, rhyming and shit. Like, you think, I'm a shit talker. Like, I'm a fuck a hook. That's where I call myself, King's sleeves. Fuck a Hook thing. Right. Because I don't really like hooks. I could do them, but I don't like hooks for me. That's what I better mobulated when I passed. That's what he ran by. Okay. It's the fuck a hook. So that's what I always run by. You see me, I just flow. I just rhyme. I get to go on. I'm a shit talking. That's what I do. I love this music. I ain't got nothing to prove to nobody in this music. I don't make this songs. I don't play like that, you feel me?

Right. But so, okay, you slide to the studio and they got a fucking Mary J. Blige-Bodge-style hook on the song. Am I'm gonna. You're gonna do your thing? Or you're gonna kind of... I'm gonna do my thing. Right.

Okay, that's the kind of the guy I am. I'm not getting on anything. I'm lyrical, you feel? That's what I do. But there's got to be beats that you would pull up to the studio and they would have some beat that you don't really fuck with and you'd be like, nah, the same my style.

Yeah, I mean, like, if it's by my choice, by my pick. Right. Not my style. But, like, if I got to get on that, like, if there's somebody in there, like, come on, I'm a gas shit, feel me? I'm going to do my thing.

Like, you know, like, regular me being in the studio, okay, you know, motherfuckers. You can make bangers, you can make shit here, and all you feel me, but it's like, I'll be in there working. Like, you feel, I be in a studio, I can make, I be in a studio a couple hours, I make four to five songs type of shit,

you feel? Right. No cap. So out of four or five of them songs, I say about it. About three of them songs gonna be bangers, feel me? No cap, like straight up, I'm not even gonna see her a lot because I'm a real nigga, no fragile, you know?

About three of them songs gonna be bangers, feel me? And now I say about the other two songs, they're gonna be some cool shit, you feel me? Right, some R-A shit, they're not gonna be bunk, they're not gonna be weak, they're not gonna be fired, they're not gonna be bangers, see me? They're gonna be straight, for me? That's what I think, because I really work.

What do you think your fans really want from you? They just want some, like, really grimy ass, real, stories or what would you define as being what they like about you? Yeah, because I say I define myself as like, they really like when I on some slimy, they'd be telling me they like the old jock, you know, the slimy, you feel me, you feel me, you feel me, all, I get them at here and there, like, you feel me, I just dropped a song called Getting Weird. That's, I say, I said, a hundred and some K in four days, for me.

I, you know what, you know what, like, I just looked at it, it was 104. It's probably at 110 or, like, you know, something like that, or one or something like, you mean? Right. I don't want them. That's what so. They want that slimy shit talk, not even shit talk, not with that slimy storytelling job. That's what they want for me, but I get them that here and there.

Because, you know, I'm still, like, I'm still trying to find myself a little bit, like, you feel me through this, you see me, through my voice, like, you know, I'm not the person that's going to stay in one. delivery lane like you feel me i got it like you feel i got to make my like you feel me i got to give them more like you feel me metaphors and like you feel i got to be big words with it you you know and they got to rhyme more like you think i got to take it farther than what it is for me the motherfuckers be trying to stand one delivery lane i can't do that and do you feel like part of that is you sort of branching out outside of the normal northern california sound because

i hear you getting on a lot of Detroit beats and just basically messing with flows that you don't really typically hear from people in california oh yeah no cap and then But now it's like I'm, I'm on some mainstream shit. Like, you think that's what I'm more on right now. Like, you feel me? I'm trying to get there. Like, my brother told me the other day, like he was talking about Grammys and shit.

Like, you ain't gonna get no Grammys or the eye, the type of how we carry ourselves. I'm like, no, you're wrong, you know? That's why I'm switching it up. That's what you gotta do. I'm gonna get a Grammy, you know what? Right. You know, you feel me?

That's the type of shit I'm shooting for. I'm not trying to be underground 24-7. Like, you know, that's not what I want to do. Like, you see me, it's bigger than what it is. Like, I keep saying, you know. It's like, this is what a nigga really want to do. I love music. So it was like, man.

Yeah. I mean, I've seen a lot of people who kind of come from that where maybe they're like a drill type rapper or a street rapper to start. And look at Pop Smoke. Look at the music he was making early on, which was fire. And then look at where he was at right before he passed. when he was experimenting with way more shit. He was on the verge of becoming

such a bigger, different type of artist. So just because you come from some gang shit, street shit, whatever, does not mean that that's the end of what you could accomplish, you know? No, cabman. That's what I just got on, too. I just did a pop smoke drill type beat. Like, if in school, I could play it type of shit.

You from me, I'm a motherfucker be going crazy. Can't play it on the stream, but we could play it after for sure. But, like, yeah, my motherfucker can be going crazy. Like, that's the type of shit I just did, though, you from me, because I got to start. Just branching out. Yeah. other motherfuckers be some motherfuckers are still a nigger flows and shit and i'm not and i'll be peeping at

you get me but it's what you got to do you got to switch it up sometimes yeah 100% um so okay the other thing that i got from watching the the swamp stories thing was that was that a few of the ravits that you came in the game with you guys kind of had a falling out at a certain point did that change things a lot for you i ain't fall out with no records he said that you and Jaybo, et cetera, all had this big thing and stuff. And he made it out like this was a very, like, primary thing in your career. True or false? That guy is false.

I don't know. Where about getting his information? I'm like, that man is crazy. He's miscellaneous. My guy is delusional. Okay. So Jaybo is somebody you're still in good terms with? Yeah, but I just called me.

Like, you know, that's my cousin. Like, you know, that's for me. It's not even no phone type shit is none of that. Like, we, we, a rap group. We're a band. Right. Type shit that ain't no funk. Like I told you, you know, our family be having shit here and here.

But we let the internet talk. We don't do none of that. They never know what's going on behind cameras. Really? We're straight. But was there tension at one point, and that video just kind of exaggerates shit and takes it the wrong way? It's not even no tension, really.

You can me, motherfuckers just take shit. with it, whatever they hear, they're just taking around with it. And I'm not the type of guy that's going to be one on the internet talking with it. Right. I mean, because that's not the only one. There's plenty of videos out there that are basically trying to decode what the hell is going on in Stockton, et cetera. Like, is that strange for you to have, like, you know, your private business dealings

all of a sudden be on Front Street with hell of views? No, yeah. I mean, shit. They're wild. Right. You know, they wild with that kind of shit. No, I don't care. entertain that shit.

Is it tempting at all that you want to clarify the record come out and make a little statement or do you think that's just going to make it worse in the long run? We just don't lead that to the side. I'm going to speak on that. I don't know. Okay. For sure. Okay, so in terms of your legal issues, though, how much time do you spend locked up when

you were younger and how did that impact how you think about, you know, trying to make a career of the music? I spent six months in juvenile. Okay. For a robbery. But even for that robbery, I got a door court. Okay. I was only like, what?

I was like 16. So you were lucky enough that you didn't have to do real time off of that? It was just kid shit. Yeah, but I don't know. It was some real shit. I had an adult court for me. I was juvenile. They gave me a door court.

It was ugly for me. Oh, okay. And gave me an adult strike. I still got strikes. Like, you feel like that? Like, you see me, since a young nigga, they've been fucking with me. So, and now it's like I'm rapping, so it's like, it's worse. You know, that's worse.

Yeah, they got me a strike, you know, that motherfucker's a whole of shit. Does they use the rapping shit against you? Yeah, they do. Really? Like, that'd be in their asking me, what's this, little, you know? Everything, like, that'd be on me. Like, you see me, I'd be taking my rap. Excuse me.

Like, they still got some of my raps that they took. My mama. Oh, so there's like actual like pieces of paper that they took from you that you don't have. Mm-hmm. Fuck. You write a lot of your raps in advance like that? You don't punch in? No.

That's what I, like that's what I got to start working on. Me, just going in there without anything, just going off the dome. But I feel like that's, that's not the type of person I really am. I really want my shit. A motherfucker that I understand my shit and hear what I'm, like, even hear what I'm saying, and where I'm coming from. I ain't trying to say no shit. like uh-da-da-da-da and then jump off topic like you think i'm not trying to do that i respect that

because i feel like i you know people punching in it's great for a lot of people but it also eliminates a lot of stuff like you know the things that like great rappers in the past did where you know bar number three and then bar number 10 has something that relates back to bar number three and if you're really paying attention you start to notice the complexity a lot of that stuff kind of goes away once dudes are punching in all the time and yeah yeah not but I be going in there doing a little puncher as when I'm writing and shit like because it sound better instead of just going four 16 like you feel me right I do a four four four probably two like you need to make my shit sound right right yeah definitely um okay so in terms of uh people you've connected with I seen you did the video with Draco that was pretty crazy how did that connection happen um I said when I had when I had guy when he got out he got out he

I'm not the type of person I'm a cool nigga you feel me but I'm just gonna be blowing niggins up hitting niggas like it doesn't make a song what's up bro you fucking with me I'm a regular real nigga feel me so he he was listening to a shit on his day

like he was listening to my shit on his day recording and shit you feel me and thither and them by my little fans and shit and thizzler and him posted it like Draco fucking with young Jack and that So I tapped in with him.

He's telling him on the little video that I don't know why this little nigga, he tapped in with me, man. What's up? This little nigga robbed, man. That's really what he sounds like. I'm my mom. He's like, what I'm going to?

Man, I tap in with him. I'm like, what's up? He's like, man, what's up? Man, what I'm like, man, what's trying to fuck with me? I'm like, yeah, for sure. Got his number. And we start fucking with it since then. Did you pull up down here

or you got sent a beats back and forth? No, yeah. I sent him. I sent him a beat. Then he sent it back. And I pulled up out here. Yeah. But before, like, I say, after that type shit,

like, you see me, we wasn't rushing that, and you think, we're pulling up out here back and forth to fuck with niggas and shit, you feel, me, when we heard chilling with niggas, Ralfi, like, I'm cool with all here, niggas, like, you feel, with all here, finesse, a, you feel me, monk, Ralphie, like, you feel me, I'm cool with niggas,

like, you feel, regular, real nigga. I mean, did you think that you, like when you said you're antisocial I mean I don't know if Draco would admit to being antisocial but that's definitely kind of his personality did you feel like you guys had something in common? No yeah drinking syrup just like me

I'm my mom girl I see my buy some serve he no nigga I'm like I have some syrup though but you guys have some serve you like no my brother like niggas shit a nigga you act just like that with your serve I'm yeah okay If they're served to be bought, Drago Park on buy as much of it as he can.

I don't know. Like, Cap said, we got that in coming, though. I'm a very cool guy, though. Right. He'd be getting high, I'll be getting high. Definitely. Yeah, that's dope. Speaking of getting high, though, do you, when do you start smoking weed and how much weed do you smoke?

Because I feel like you probably are smoking more weed during this interview than the vast majority of people have ever interviewed. And it doesn't seem like it's slowing you down. No. I really get high. Like, you know, I'll smoke up to, but, uh, 200 a day. 200 in a day. Yeah. To yourself, not pass around with the homies?

To myself, to myself, I run with the, when I'm with the homies, at least 200. By myself, I say about no kidzy, 60. Wow. Like, I would sit here just because I'd be getting high. Like, if my eye pop a paragraph, I'd be observed, man. I sit here in row. five blunts and smoked them in about like with 10 15 minutes right I was smoking about the 10 15 minutes no cap on one moment and then roll up another five I mean you've kind of smoked like almost

three blunts throughout this interview and it's not even an hour and that's something because I'm off a perk right now if I was not that I will be smuggled right it's got to be like a full-time job in terms of just rolling that much weed though I begin I don't know sometimes I have my little better the little sleeves with me he'd be rather my shit I'm on them right a lot of big rappers that they get a blunt roller at some point no it ain't even like that that's just my little brother you know right this guy my guy but at a certain point could you see yourself having a blunt roller and that would be pretty fucking convenient no that blunt rather got a roll exactly how me and my guys roll our blunts otherwise

that's a no-go yeah he would have to be very qualified I mean shit if you're gonna hire anybody to roll blunts it's probably gonna be one of your friends right yeah I don't want some fucking square-ass dude in the corner rolling Blunts and that's the, you can't even talk to him. You hate this guy, but he's rolling up. What, um, so can you record music sober? You gotta at least be smoking weed, I'm guessing, but what about the other stuff?

Lean or perk? What's better to record music on? I say, a perk. Does it make you really feel? You're up a little bit more? Yeah, not even up really. like even like you feel yourself more you make you feel like you can say a little bit more like you know right make you feel yourself you feel like at any point you're gonna try to cut that stuff out do you ever

take a break yeah no I don't pop to me like I don't do that shit like or I don't just do that shit every day every minute like you can weed yes but perks and serve no that's good like I can have serve from me and like I wouldn't even be rationed my shit that fast with me. I drink hell of syrup though. I got hell of syrup though with me. Don't get me wrong, I drink hell of a serp. But I ain't a feeling like that.

Right. You don't feel like it hurts your work ethic? Because like, you know, whenever I have lean, it's like really hard for me to decide to actually drink it because it's like I'm usually working pretty late and then I usually get up pretty early to get going on some new shit. It could be tough. affect my worth it. Well, that's good.

One thing I really, really just had to ask about is how do you feel about the other young jock? No. You know much about him? No, I don't. I don't. I don't. But the motherfuckers have me scream.

You sing the little Michael Myers shit. Nah. The little mean thing that motherfucker's like, it looked like just like Young Jack and God he like, he said something something. St. Michael Myers, this young junk, y'all better count you all day. Hell of my fuck's been tagging me.

I'm all, y'all being funny. But so, were you older by the time you realized that, like, oh, shit, there's another popular rapper whose name is very close to mine. Because you're, like, so much younger that I think you might not have been thinking about him. Nah, I knew who I was. I used to listen to a song. So I knew that I was. But my brother, my older brother, Harry, he called me, Jack.

when I was little. Right. I don't know why, but he started calling me jock. My mom started, everybody just started up me jock, Jake, right? So I got up like young jock. What would you have done if you were the other young jock and 42 dug came out and saying, I'm going to go broke like jock or whatever, basically calling him broke. In the intro to one of the biggest songs of the year.

If I was in. If you were him, how would you react to? Would you have been upset? How would you handle that? If he's true, brook, he can't say nothing. You know, that's your fault. I think Young Jock's problem with it is that he doesn't consider himself broke. We don't know.

Everybody said that, though. It's not even just 42 Doug who say that. I don't know. Underground rappers are why he said that for me. Right. Yeah. All these Atlanta rappers can't go broke because they just become loving hip-hop stars. Yeah, I don't know.

What's going on with the kids? Like, if he broke, he can't say nothing. You broke. Would you go on loving hip-hop Stockton? Hell no. Hell, no. What the... Maybe if the scene really grows, though, it'll get to that point.

Mm-mm. Not around from. No bitch that don't belong on there. No, no. No scare. Nah. Hell no. Fair enough.

No, sorry, Bob. Mm-hmm. I saw you were in the studio with Soldier Boy last night. Where'd that come from? Yeah, man, that's my guy. That's so big. a fan for a long time? Yeah, somebody, for me, I'm a fan of his music, no care.

Like, that's, I always listen to his music. Right. Always listen to his music, I ain't going to front. But, yeah, somebody, like, you know, I'm going on to my request sometimes to see what rappers hitting me, like, you know, whatever, you know, or who hit me, producers or anything. A fan's in me, shit, like, he listened to your shit, blah, boom, family. And he just, I thought that was just a one-time thing. And then I seen somebody else send me some more shit, boom, I'm like, yeah, okay, you been, I've been, but I'm always following him, you know where I look at something.

My shit, I'm going on my thing. He DM me. Yo, you hard, feel me? Then he followed me back. I'm like, yeah, boom. Bear fucking with me, boom. He kept listening to my shit, kept listening to my shit. I DM him, like, you know?

I'm like, because I ain't never, like, no cap, I ain't never, like, deemned, no rapper, like, you feel me? I DMed them, like, you know? Just gotta get his attention more, brother. So I'm like, boom, I'm like, what's up, bro? He's like, let's get one in. He dropped his number instantly. I'm like, okay, for sure. Fuck it when he mentioned, I call him, like, boom, I'm at.

I ain't ever called him since I got to L.A., though, you feel me? I called him when I'm at L.A., like, what's up here, bro? I'm out here, brother. He's like, it's good. Pull up to the studio. Pull up to the studio. We up there, vibe, and we fucking with it on my mama. Nothing but good vibes, though.

We fucking with it. He's a cool name. I don't got. I don't care. Right. Did you pick up anything from him, considering that he'd been, like, super successful for, like, 20 years now? Like, you know, you're brand new in the game. Did you, like, kind of pick up on any game from him?

Nah, I don't know how the rappers. It's like, you feel me. True. I ain't, I'm not really looking to pick him my game. Nobody. Me, feeling him. You know, I might be seeing some shit, shit. I'm looking for what I shouldn't do, what type of shit, you mean?

I'm like, I'm looking for what I shouldn't do. He could probably tell you about that, too. Yeah, a little bit. I'm going to get cool, I'm like that. For sure. So from your perspective, where are you at right now in your career, and what do you need to do to take it to the next level? I need to make, like, to the next level.

I say I need to make one of them ones. It's either, like, something that's going to hit the radio and TikTok type of shit you've been. Something, like, on that type of song, like you feel like to take me to take me to take me to the next level i need to hit that spot i mean that's what i need to hit to take me to the next level yeah but so when you get in the studio are you thinking about making a hit or do you feel like that would kind of fuck up your whole vibe no i'll just go in there you from you know i going and doing my shit on it sometimes i don't even

be writing in there like you see i come prepared we're about three songs like that's how i am I don't want to fucking that nip. I waste my time in studio. So I come here. For sure. One thing I also want to say on your behalf is that you should tell them to stop DM and the fake Instagram of you. Or I guess it's not fake, but it's like a dead account that you don't have access to.

How'd you lose access to that? Man. You got too high, I forgot your password? Yeah. I knew it. Man, man, man. I'd be crazy, bro. I had two of them up against some girl.

Wow. kids write your passwords down or your email with which you signed up to Instagram as well yeah well once to because I just now start remembering mine and I'm almost like a hundred K crazy oh wow

mm-hmm goddamn it's real out here um okay so you got a new new project dropping soon any new videos any new shit that we should know about man just stay just stay tuned for them albums that's dropping in them tapes man

one drop in December 3rd We're working on a day for the other ones, man. Just stay tuned. I got some shit dropping. That way. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you telling us all about your career and everything.

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