No Jumper - The EST Gee Interview: "Where I'm From, the Dope Dealer is the Super Star"

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

EST GEE is the latest diamond in a rough coming out of Louisville! Gee tells his story from being in the streets, going to college, still in the streets, getting noticed for his music, turning his whole life around and getting the Jay-Z cosign, telling him how hard his music goes! Inspiring. https://www.instagram.com/est.gee/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today we got the one and only ESTG on the podcast. How you feel, man? Feeling good. I don't always do this, but I got to be honest with you. Like, your project is the best rap project that has come out this year. By far, the one that I've listened to the most.

I think so, too. It's incredible. I appreciate you. And I've listened to all your older stuff because I've, like, I've known about a year. But when I listen to the older stuff, I'm like, this tape was a breakthrough. Yeah. You took it to a totally different level. For sure.

I think so, too. I think that's what it's about. I just keep getting better and more comfortable because I ain't been rapping that long, so there's more and more you go to the studio and shit, you feel? Get more comfortable, like playing basketball, you got to practice.

Definitely. Is there anything that stands out to you in terms of like breakthroughs that you might have made with this project, anything that stands out to you that you are like, this is, like, my music is different now because of this. I always feel like my shit was different. I just felt like it was, you know, I'm from Louisville, Kentucky.

We don't got no, you feel me. We got rappers Jack Harlow, you feel me? But we don't got no rappers that rap the way I, my rap, you feel me? So it was just like a, I feel like it was a disconnect between the rest of the world and, you feel me, the shit that we got going on. But if you're in the streets, though, then you know about Louisville, you know, you feel, we don't got no NFL team, no NBA team. You feel me? Like, the dog boys is the superstars. You feel me, where we're from?

You know what I'm saying? So that's surprising that it took this long for a rapper to really, like, rise up out of there? Because Louisville ain't really a place you gotta go. You feel me? Like, you know, Atlanta, people gotta go there. You know what I'm saying? Philly, New York, Chicago, LA, you feel me?

Houston, you gotta go to them places when you're doing music shit. You don't gotta go to Louisville, so that's just easy to get overlooked, you feel? but it was just everything, how I got her, if one thing would have happened differently, I wouldn't be right here, you feel me, everything happened the way it was supposed to happen. That's interesting.

I want to say that for me as a kid, Louisville was a destination, and I got to go there when I was like 19 or 20 because we always just knew it as having one of the best skate parks in America at that time. Yeah, yep, it definitely is a skate park, I think, on the waterfront. And I noticed that you rap about selling drugs

or the concept of selling drugs. There definitely seemed like there was a lot of people at that skate park that were probably trying to buy some drugs. For sure, Louisville was like one of the, I don't know if it was this shit, I don't know the staff of this show, but I know like 2019,

2020, maybe I don't know, but 2019 was like one of the, if not the top three, you know what I'm saying, most opiate overdoses in the country, you know what I'm saying? So not to, you know, you can't grow up for that at all but whereas users is sellers more than likely you know what I'm saying and I think people

got like a they think it's like because people be rapping about Kentucky like people say they they come to Kentucky to get their bag off and shit like yeah but that's they're going to the country Louisville not the country like a lot of you get that confused yeah niggas not coming and doing nothing like that you feel me like and being open with it like you don't get why it's not going like that you know what I'm saying right definitely like they know that though they know that like they know they going to not to say nothing about the other cities is I fuck with the whole state but like country cities like lexington like uh t grisly used to talk about legson the whole like when he first came out right feel me like so that's like how people thought

of it like okay this is where you go in set up shop no it's not right yeah i feel you um so set the scene for the people like what was your upbringing like Like you grow up in like a regular house. You grew up in an apartment building. Like what was the atmosphere in terms of your up bringing? I mean, the hood is the hood. It's the same thing worldwide. I don't think I've been to a lot of different places in us

since I've been doing music. And the funny thing would be like the same shit's happening in every hood in America. Like the same thing, you feel it? Like, so that's why music's so powerful, you feel, because it can be like me. I'm rapping about what it was like in my hood. You know what I'm saying? what we've seen, but more than likely, it's a nigga in another hood

in a totally different city across the country that's going through the same shit. He might be losing his friends, you feel me? He might be, you know what I'm saying? Fucking up his bag, he might, his girl might be fucking around with a nigga with more, like the same shit's going on all across the country.

That's why when they be, like, you don't got to tell people it's real, you feel me? The energy is undeniable, I think. Definitely. So if you feel that energy, like, you know what's up. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't one of them people. I don't like to just talk about, you know what I'm saying?

Because I don't want to make it seem like I'm, hell chaper or something like that. But I ain't going to let it. I ain't going to downplay, nothing either. You feel? If you just know what's going on, you know what's going on. But I think that's one of the things that makes your music so good is that you'll say, I'm not saying I have a 10-year run without no hiccups. I'm not saying that.

And I was just like, that's beautiful because so many rappers want you to be convinced that their entire career is just, Spend a bunch of Ws. Man, they want you to think they meet. Right. Meet your meets for a reason. You feel me? You sink there.

You feel me? But I ain't no more fucking corner. You feel it. Go to the store, nigger neither, you know what I'm saying? Right. I just say nothing wrong with that. Everybody got their role, you know what I'm saying?

Team work. But I'm just telling my story how I went from my perspective. You got like a lot of reality check bars are like, like, you've been grinding this hard and you ain't never had 10,000, that kind of shit. Yeah, you'll be surprised. I mean, be selling the money. You don't know what they are out there selling.

You got to be selling the money. You've been there this long. I ain't got a team. Rap dudes think they're trapped dudes because they're selling weed. For sure. That shit's legal. We see that all the time. That's just legal.

Dudes who act like they really got this crazy enterprise going and you sell houses. Not to say nothing to wrong with it. Respect, respect. But they get a little crazy ego off of that. I can dig it, though. Shit. If you feel you?

If you feel like you feel like, taking it there to get your cheese you feel take it there but come on like I but okay so you as a young kid when you're thinking were you obsessed with rap music or super interested in rap from a real young age or when did that come about for you I don't I think everybody just like music like feeling like where we from like niggins is listening to like Godi future you know what I'm saying Boosie Godi like I mean Boosie Godi future Um, jeezy, like, just the regular shit that everybody's growing up listening to you.

I feel like everybody listened to this shit. So I wasn't never really, like, obsessed with it. But my daddy, you feel, my daddy is straight nigga. So he was, he used to listen to shit like, like, like sky face and shit like that. So when I'd be with him, riding around with him, you feel me, I was listening to shit like that. You getting a little bit of a history lesson the shit you weren't know about otherwise? Yeah, so it wasn't just like listening. And then the, you feel me, crash shit, you feel me, like crash out music, like, go robbing

and go, you feel, me. Like, niggas like that, like Sky-Fraise, Jay-Z, you feel my daddy, he's listening to shit like that. Like, he's just like, distinguished street, niggas, you feel me, like. So I feel like that, that kind of played a part to where, like, and my daddy I always let me know from the jump, like, like, a lot of niggas, like, rappers is just entertainment for most people. But, like, like, then I see.

Like when you meet things like, you feel me, like they might not be like that, you feel me, which is cool. I ain't not gonna know, you feel me, but like a lot of shit just be entertainment. I feel like my daddy was a big part and letting me be able to help me figure out how to decipher that, you feel me, just because shit I was listening to. For sure. What was your relationship with your dad, like, overall? Like how much was he around and how much, like, did you learn from him like that?

I learned all life with my dad. He was locked up when I was lucky, you feel me? You feel me, like little, but by the time I got like four or five, you feel me, he was back on the scene. Right. You feel me? He did what he had to do. You feel me? Like, straight nigga to the bone.

Did you know that as a kid, though? Did you know he was running around getting in trouble? He ain't, he wasn't one of them niggies that had shit. He just let you know, like, you do this, you gonna get this, you feel me? So if you don't like, if you don't like the way I'm showing you what this gets you. You feel? If you like this, do that. If you don't like this, then don't.

like this, then don't do that. You feel me? And like, for a long term, like, me and my daddy, we ain't having a great relationship because of other shit, you feel me, but he been my daddy. I never take that away from him, you feel me, like a real man. And like, as I got older, he always would be like, man, you're going to understand one day, you feel me, and now I can say me being 26. Like, I understand a lot. Like, you're only 26. You honestly, you kind of feel like an older soul than that, to be honest. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I don't know, I just ain't no fool. I ain't no fool, you feel me?

Like, I'm be calculated, a lot of shit I do. I ain't just trying to do nothing just to be doing it. And you can't just tell me nothing, you feel me? I feel like, yeah. Because I've seen a whole lot. 26 is only surprising because I feel like your raps have just a lot of wisdom, a lot of shit that, like, you just, I don't feel like I'm getting it from the average, like, younger rapper.

Because I'm telling you from first person. Not third person. Not to take nothing away from nobody. I said, I hate, I don't want to knock no niggins, you feel it? Because it's shit hard to get into it. And I can attest it up, like getting into the rap industry. I don't even feel like I'm in. Like, you feel me?

Like, I don't feel like a rapper. But it's like, I know it's hard to get into it. So whatever you had to do and you got in, I don't knock you for it. But I know for me, I'm telling you from being right there in the car or being right there in the house, I ain't telling you from a nigger coming and telling me, like, man, this is happening around the corner, you feel me, which is cool, you feel me, because a lot of niggas be telling the story for everybody they're with, or they're telling their neighborhood story, you feel me, like, I'm speaking for me and my niggas,

you feel me, not even our whole neighborhood, you feel me, we from Newburgh, we're up our hood to the fullest, but, you feel me, we're from Riyadh, you feel me, like our group of people is our group, you feel me, We've been like this since we was younger, you know what I'm saying? And as we got older shit, everybody branch off and go to, you feel me, I don't wait for a while, but it just happened to come back again full circle, just like when we was younger, you know what I'm saying? We were them niggas back then. You feel, we still, them niggas right now. I like how that's a very, like, you hear a lot of rappers, like, try to sort of convince you that they're, like, the most street rapper that really did everything.

But you had that one bar where you say, unicorn, street rapper who really did the shit I'd rap about. I was like, I don't know, just in that moment, the way you put that, I was just like, that's the best way I've ever heard that put. You don't see no unicorns, for real. When you see one, you got to take a picture of that, bitch. You feel me? The reality's the moment, you know what I'm saying? And not to say, not to say, I know it's probably a whole lot of unicorns in the rap game, you feel me? But it's a whole lot of regular horses, too, running around this some motherfucker with, with horns tape.

Yeah, with horns taped to their motherfucking head. You feel? But it's cool, though, everybody. You feel me? It is what it is. how it is without that. You know what I'm saying? It's balancing universe, world.

You got to have both, you feel me, to make it be a thing. Definitely. I feel like it's very perfect that you linked with Gotti and that that became, like, I just feel like he's one of the most real people in the game

and has such an undeniable track record of getting the hottest rappers super early on. Undeniable. And just being linked with him, I feel like for you is like a good course to avoiding any of the bullshit, lame shit that you might have had to deal with otherwise in the music industry?

I think you're right. I couldn't put it in no good. Because he just knows the game way too good. He knows it, you know, he doesn't seem to it. He's been around for 20 years down there. You feel me putting out music. You know what I'm saying? Good-ass music, too.

His music's still fire, and he's still got a grip on the younger artists. And making money. You got to put that because a lot of, why I'm realizing now, like, a lot of rappers that you think is making money, it's not making them. money, you know what I'm saying? So God, he's making money. He's not just putting together a team with niggas like, this us. No, hell, nah. You know what I'm feeling? He's making money, and the people that he's associated himself with is making their own money and they're making money for their teams, you know what I'm saying? That's a testament to a good leader. Like,

if you got a bullshit-ass, you know what I'm saying, like whoever's in charge, if you got a bullshit-ass nigger or if you're in charge and you're a bullshit-nicker, you're going to have a bullshit team, you feel me? If you are lying that, you're in charge. If you're in charge, if you are lying You feel me? Stealing ass. You feel me? You probably going to have a lying ass, stealing ass, you feel me, cruel niggas. But if you're a stand-up guy, you feel me, you probably going to have some stand-up

niggas with you, you know what I'm saying? Just because it's just a ripple effect, it's going to rub off. For sure. How did he, everybody's seen the video with him giving you three-quarters of million dollars in the studio, but how did he initially reach out or approach you? Like, what was that conversation like? My man, Nigel, he worked for another company,

and they was talking to me about, you feel me trying to sign me and this is a prior run this time last year and I we had a conversation about a mount and I hadn't really you feel me really yeah I wasn't really tripping about it right but I don't know neither just felt like I was the one you feel me even more so than me like I know but I wasn't really tripping you feel me about being a rap style because it was so much real shit going on the time my mom and just dad you know what I'm saying like it was a whole lot of shit going on, like street shit gonna be street shit, but it was really for real, real, you feel me?

It felt like shit was just closing in, so I always was making music throughout that time, but I just wasn't, I don't know if my heart was all way in it like how it is now because I see what it can come from. But I just just, I don't know what made him be like, because he could have been like, after we talked a couple days, like, all right, man, so good luck, you feel, me, but he was interested, like, man, what the fuck? what's what you like what you want like who you who you who you grew up listening to and I get the name

people you feel me future gozy boozy gotty he gotty he got he hold on that's my man hold on tomorrow boom and the next day I was on the phone with god he ain't gotty like man this is the hardest shit I ever heard like what the fuck you from Louisville like damn like you feel me and then just from there we just we just kept on building like we took talked a couple more times. Then I had went and met him, and I had met up with his brother, Jook, and the A, you feel it.

And we were just kicking it for like a couple days. And Juck was feeling me, you feel me? And then Gotti had wanted me to come to Miami. Him and Doug was down there in Miami. And he probably had heard like three, four songs by then. You know what I'm saying? It's probably over the course of two weeks that's going on. And then so when I got down there,

like I had had like the whole, old, you feel me, I still don't feel nothing. I had that done already, you know what I'm saying? Because I was gonna drop it in the summer. So I played that for him and probably like 10 songs that I'm about to put out on my next project

or like five or six of them. Okay. So I played like 25 songs from and every one of them, bitches just was like, that wasn't old missing. You feel me? And Doug was in there,

and Doug was in there looking like, you feel me? Like, what is this thing? Like, you know what I'm saying? And then, after that it was just everything was going fast you feel me like baby it reached out to me like

it was on after that like it was on like once he heard my shit like that I had in store and he got to see me and feel my energy like you feel me like I ain't got no rap deal but I'm with three niggas all of us got out jury on you feel me there's no bullshit jury either like

you know needs to be wearing a whole lot fake shit I know you just probably sink that on your show you feel being it's easy to tear but we all You know what I'm saying? Real street, niggas. The best is when you hear about dudes getting beat up and robbed for the fake jury.

And then they realized it wasn't worth nothing when they tried to go cash in them. It was crazy. It was like, you're living in a fantasy world, bro. What the fuck are you going to do with that once you take it? Fantasy world. But we just was, you know what I'm saying? Like it matched.

Everything matched. The music matched me. How much do you feel like God he had to, like, feel you out to judge how much of a real person you were? Because, you know, there's definitely a possibility that you could just have hard-ass music and be able to write real good,

but you're not really or you're saying you were, like, how much was he needing to know that before he wanted to fuck with you? God, he's not disconnected from the streets at all. So he can make a call and ask a couple of people, you feel me? And I guess when he asked him a couple people, they told him, like, no, he liked that. Like, they, you know, his little group of his little niggins, they like that, like, for real. Like, they were surprised that, you feel me, he was willing to fuck with me, I guess,

because I have been talking to some other labels and shit, but, like, they don't really be liking that shit for real. Like, they act like they like that, like, street shit, but they don't really be, that shit be bad for business for real. Like, you're investing, you could die. That's why. They're like a little kid with a big-ass gun and a pile of lean, but they don't really want to deal with someone who has got people shooting at them

and they try to do shit. They try to make it for years, like, that they're young, nigger, 17, 18, where the gun was the one who was running the block. That's not true. It might be true in some places, you feel me, for the most far. For what I know, like, that was a false nerd, you know what I'm saying? And I think me, like, I think I'm the breakthrough artist for niggas who's,

you're a grown man, 25, 24, 25, you feel, me, like, as a grown man shit. You're talking grown man's shit, but you have, like, a young man's, like, a young man's, spirit on the beats and shit. And like, I feel like with this project, you picked faster beats in general. You kept the pace way higher. That's just what it was going on. That was what was going on.

I don't be thinking about it when I was recording. I got to rap fast or slow. I got to make a story song. I got to make a dance. They just be how I'm feeling, you feel me? And we was getting it on at that time. So that's what the music was. Get it on music.

Right. And it, you feel it? And it turned into what it turned into. But I got it. The first few songs on that, you can't like I can't drive a normal speed when I'm listening to it like I literally have to drive fast as fuck because the fucking beat is just so frantic yeah you got the pedals of the metal you ain't the first people say it and he'd be like man they're gonna

wreck listening to my shit right so okay do you like what's your relationship with little baby and how did he did he just recognize your talent and just tap in after you are already dealing with Godi it was kind of like at the same time Hold on back to what you just asked me about I got him. But I think the thing that sold him to, it's like before I signed, he came to Louisville. And he seemed it like, he's in the neighborhood. And he's seen that like, it's a thousand niggas out here. You feel me?

It's a thousand chavals out. Like, he had said, like, man, that was the most, you feel, me. I ever seen, like, you know what I'm seeing? Because, you know, Kentucky, I think it's open carry. I don't think that's, they don't got open carry everywhere. So just seeing people, you feel me, walk around with their guns and shit, like, that can legally walk around with their guns. You know what I'm saying? Women and everything.

That was a shock to him, you feel me? And it was real love. He was seen, I get real love, you feel me? Like, of course, it's hate to go along with it. That's yin and yang. Like I said, you can't have one without the other. But he just seen it with real love. Like, a lot of niggas can't go back to their neighborhood and get real love and really make sure you're straight.

The energy you get in your neighborhood is, like, the biggest thing you can't. can't fake that says so much about your character and who you are, especially somewhere you live since you are a kid? Yeah, yeah. The people are going to love you or they're going to hate you. Because they really know what kind of person you are. Yeah, yeah. And people's proud of that because they know, like, it's hard to come out of the little. And then my neighborhood specifically, like, ain't nobody never like us for real. And then I block, like my group of friends in my neighborhood, the rest of the neighborhood really ain't really fuck what it's like that. But It's a respect thing, though.

They respect this shit for a show, you feel me? Because nobody won't, you know what I'm saying? A lot of niggas don't want to take it there. People just want to chill. They want to get their money. You know what I'm saying? How much do you enjoy that part of being a pop and rapper in your city that just knowing that there's people that hate you that got to hear you on the radio? That's got to feel pretty good.

Man, I wonder how they feel. I wish we could ask them how it feel to get shit on this shit, wake up and your kids got to sing my shit. Yeah. Yo, bitch, want to go to the club and dance in my shit. And if I tell her to come out to where we're at, she's going to come and say, fuck you, you know, you feel? Like, I know that's a tough pill to swallow for a nigga, but, you feel me?

God don't like ugly niggas. It's hateful. Niggins got hateful spirits, you feel me? I never had that. I feel like I'm pure and I don't be, you feel me? Faking what motherfuckers like. And I feel like that bless you and get you fateful, you feel me? That's sure.

Okay, so Baby just reaches out to you. After that shit happened in Miami, you know, Doug and Baby like this. Right. I'm saying? Baby ain't Goddy cool, but Doug and Baby like, you know what I'm saying? So Doug, and that's my man, Doug, you feel me. He goes back to Baby like, man, this nigga came to Miami and, man, with Goddy, this nigga played 25 songs.

All them business was bangers. You know what I'm saying? So Baby gets to listen to it like, what the fuck, and he writes me like, hey, what's up, send me some of them songs. I remember looking at the message, like, what the fuck? Little baby, is this really? You feel it? I'm like, what you mean?

I'm like, what's up? What you mean? He sent me the number. Like, send me the songs to my phone. I'm trying to listen to that shit was hard. That Doug was playing for me. Right. And boom, after that, I think I had met up with him.

I came and met him at QC and we was talking. And, you know what I'm saying? Me and him, he wanted to do business with me. You know what I'm saying? But I'm big on, like, keeping my word and shit. Like, as shit that I can control, I like to control, you feel me. So, believe it or not, like, he was trying to give me more money, you feel me? Like, cash, and he was on some shit like, man, just take the money in.

We'll figure out the other shit later, you feel me? But I'm like, man, you know what I'm saying? I already told Godi I'm going to fuck with him, so you feel me? Like, I can't do that. And then he was like, man, I respect that because me and God, he's cool, like, you feel me? Like, so I respect that. And I respect Goddy, so he ain't press.

Nothing like that, but you feel me. After that, he was just like, man, you're a real nigga because a lot of niggas would have been like, shit, fuck that, I'm going, you feel me? God, he's a legend, but little baby, I mean, he's the hottest rapper. The past couple years, that's a tough thing to say no to. That's a little baby, you see me.

But shit, I'm ESTG, shit, so I wasn't tripping, you feel me, like, I knew what I, I know what I am, I know what I'm gonna be, like, you feel me, and regardless if I don't go no further than why I'm at right now with my career, career like this shit is legendary in my city nobody got to do nothing like this not no street nigger never you feel me like and and and i like that that i can motivate niggas and show them like it's another way like to get this shit like you can beat the streets like i honestly

in my heart felt like i beat the streets like i'm not going to jail you feel me i'm not getting killed like you feel me like and i don't did everything but and you feel me like i'm blessed i'm I'm right here talking to you, you feel me. Like, I honestly feel like I beat the streets, you feel me? So if I don't go no further with this shit, like, they're going to, and when you bring up rap music and shit in Louis, like, you're going to say my name forever, you feel me? Like, forever for a long time.

Like, I dropped my tape at the end of December, it never left the top 20 on Apple Music Our Jones. Really? It never left. Still in right now. And I don't over-promote my shit or nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't have no big, you know what I'm seeing, like crazy digital team and nothing

like that. Like, it's just, you feel, me, all off good music, you feel me? So people grafts to it and take to it. And baby seen that, baby felt like I was the nigger, you feel me? That's why I fuck with him then, because he told me like, nah, you're the one. Like, ah, he was like, bro, like, you remind me of us. Like, y'all remind me of us, like pulling up, you feel me, whips, you feel me, you feel me, got a Jerry real, like, y'all, you feel me?

You got niggas digaboo, you feel me? Like, it's the same type of shit, you feel me? So he just seemed like, man, we like the same type of thing, you feel me? So he was just trying to make sure he could help, you know what I'm saying, cultivated because he know what he had to do, you feel me? But I had to keep my word to God, you know what I'm saying? And it's a good thing because it made baby fuck with me more.

Like, it went from, you know what I'm trying to sign you to, hey, man, come on, we're going to do these songs. He tried to keep me fuck. because he know what I got going on, like in my city, you feel me? Like, he knows shit that's going on. And he tell me, like, nah, like, need to live in your blessing, bro. Like, living your, you feel me, like, live in this, bro. Like, don't go back to that, you know what I'm saying?

Like, let that shit be what it is, like, go forward because the ceiling's so high. Right. And I can, you feel, you feel like I can be so much, you feel. And I feel like it too, but it just be different when somebody else tell you, you know what I'm saying? Because sometimes I'd be, like, fuck it. Look, you know what I mean?

I heard that little baby had a lot of money before he became a rapper. For sure. And I mean, that's pretty incredible that he could be real about what he's talking about and he's as good as he is. Because I feel like he's one person that everybody in the rap game is kind of in all of that. Everybody understands his talent and how good he is because he just does, he keeps doing it over and over. Like he has a really hard time not going a month or two without making a huge.

fucking hit on the radio and on YouTube whatever like I mean do you feel like you learn something from like being in that environment like in terms of your own style like seeing the energy that he brings to a track and shit like that I mean you've been around a lot of fire artists in between your last tape and this one you think that that's part of why this shit was so fire is because you were around like being influenced by all these guys who are at the top of their game I won't necessarily say I was influenced by him, but it's just, I don't know, I just do my thing, like, I don't know, I don't really look at it. I don't think I look at it how everybody look at it like, I respect the person, you feel me, fuck the music, you feel me.

Like I know where baby you come from, you know what I'm saying, he told me, like I just been over there, I synced it, you feel me, just like he respect where I come from. So as long as we got that mutual respect amongst each other, you feel me. We're going to make good music because we both make good music. You know what I'm saying? And I, damn for a damn show, know that about him. You know what I'm saying? So it's more about we can get in there and talk about street shit and all that all day long.

But he's more like, he knows like, okay, let's make this song like this so we can make it go. You feel me? Like, he ain't really focused on, let's just make a whole bunch of songs. Like he's strategic with this shit, you feel me So that's what I got from him Like be strategic with how you putting your songs together Like a lot of niggas, maybe want to go to the studio With a bunch of people like I hate that

You feel me? But he's like that too Like if there's a whole lot of people in the studio He might not even rap You feel me Like because he knows everybody's trying to get something from it You feel me So he might just fall back and wait till everybody leave

Like that shit that I pick up from him Like make it make it count every time Have you tried to make Like I feel like none of your music sounds like you're trying to make a hit. But have you tried to make more? Like, do you ever make songs trying to make a popular song?

Or do you just, I'm making what I'm making. I'm just rapping about what's going on, period. That's it. I don't know. What make it a hit? You feel me? Throw some crazy chorus on it, try to make it all catchy and shit.

I don't think it's the way for you to be honest. I feel like people like the person. Yeah. People fuck with the person. So you can say whatever you want on that motherfucker. But if they fuck with you, they're going to figure out a way to make other people.

feel like it's a hit you know what I'm saying like music so like opinion oriented you know what I'm saying that it's like what's a hit you know what I'm saying like the general public gonna make it the hit you know what I'm saying you just got keep on record and you feel me keep putting shit out and I guess honestly though even being around Godi and babian on them that was probably more after your most recent project too like I feel like if there is the influence in terms of you getting better because of all these people here around, we'll probably see on your next project more. I ain't gonna lie, like, as far as getting better, I feel like I'm the coldest

nigga right now, you feel me? But see, it's good you believe that, but you're, you're so caught in the moment. Like, when I listen to your Vix Stays, bro, you have got it so much better. Like, it's, you can't feel it, but it's there. Yeah, I can't, yeah, I can't, it's hard for me to answer for you because it's like, I'm in it, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, uh, you got to think, bro. Like, I record these songs.

Like, all I'm old, I'm recording a business at the house type of shit. I was on house arrest. For them first 20 songs, damn, you feel? That I got put out that you heard. So that's me recording on Garage Band, bro. You feel me, at the kitchen table and the bathroom. You know what I'm saying? To find a studio in Louisville and recording there.

But these ain't world-class state-of-art systems or distinguished engineers. They're good engineers and shit like that, but it's just, you know what I'm saying? So I think what you feel like is getting better is the production size is getting better. Like, I got a producer forever row. Like, he's, you feel me, his beats is getting better,

you know what I'm saying? Like, because he's getting access to better equipment and better sounds. And you feel me, like my voice quality is getting better because I got access to better engineers. And, you know what I'm saying? I feel like that part of it's growing. I feel like the content,

ain't really changing that much but just the words are being presented is just getting more polished you know what I'm saying and that's making it an easier listen you know what I mean like some should be hard to listen to well like niggins might be so off beat and so loud and so nigger like you might want to even listen to that bit but it's just so hard to listen to this shit like yeah you might feel like my shit's just like an easy listen you know what I'm saying definitely um okay so Talk to me a little bit about the early days. Like, what kind of dude were you in high school? Same thing, same group of friends, you feel, doing the same shit.

We play sports a lot. That's a thing. Right, you're a football guy? Yeah, I play football, basketball. But that's like a thing in Louis. Like, everybody grew up playing Little League football, like the jamborees and, you know what I'm saying? Super classics and shit like that.

Like, that's our thing. Like, because we got a college team, we got Louisville University, you feel. Right. So everybody just grew up looking for that. You feel me? So it's either that or the streets. And a lot of times it's both. You feel me?

So we ain't see no nigga blow up rapping. You feel me? We seen that nigga go to the NFL or the NBA or get 50 bricks in. You feel me? Come through the, you know what I'm saying? So it's always a crazy balance of both.

Like, I got a partner who graduated college, you feel me? But he's been selling dope since he was in, freshman in high school and you feel me like it and it ain't odd like this nigga good at basketball got a cold jumper

but a real street nigga you feel me like I play football my whole life real street nigga a lot of my friends play sports

they whole life real street niggas you feel me it's just our culture you know what we're from like that just how it is you know what I'm saying

like you might leave practice and go get it on you feel like it just be how it is right But so your version of being in the streets as a young man was more about hustling and making money, or was it like I feel like I deal with a lot of rappers or I see videos about rappers where it's like their version of being in the streets is shooting at each other. Anything you feel like a street shooting at each other, breaking in houses. That's what we're on.

It was all going down. That's what was going on. You feel me? Right. Like our block, we kind of like the renegade block because we were young, you feel me, dudes. You feel me? And we might not ain't mixed with the rest of the neighborhood Because I go ahead and say like in in Louisville

People always looked at the Newburgh niggas like that's how they would Like they always try to like handle it like Newberg niggins is just like you feel me Right Because our hood is separate from the I feel me that's why it's the aisle and say like Just the inner city like and I was born in Clarksdale project That's uptown you feel me

That could be considered like downtown like by the rest of the hood You feel me. To get the Newburgh, you gotta hit back streets or get on the highway for five, ten minutes, and then you get off, you feel me, on Papa level, and that's our neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? So it was always like, the city, niggas,

they might be beefing with each other, like, you feel me? That's what we call it, like, the city, like downtown. Right. But, you feel me? Newburgh, like, they never fuck with us, you feel me? So, to have a rapper, to be from uptown, you feel me, whole family from uptown from Clarksdale, Then I moved to Newburgh.

You feel me? I'm a Newberg, nigga. You know what I'm saying? It's all Louisville, but it's just neighborhoods, you feel me? And then for me to be the one that break out rapping, that was a tough bill to swallow for me, you feel me? For sure. Because you know, you feel me,

then niggas get the one to test that. They want to test that, you feel me? Like, it's different somebody telling you, like, nah, they're going to bust your ass. You play around with them, you feel me? It's a difference from somebody telling you, and you coming and seeing, you feel me. And once a everybody get to see it,

It goes from, man, they ain't like that. I'm, to, man, we need to keep them away. You feel me? Like, we need to keep them away from here. They are, they, they're minutes just to the city, or they, you feel me, or they don't need to do no shows down here. You feel me? It go from trying to see what's up and trying,

you feel me, test some niggas gangster to now, and I'm a bully, you feel me? Like, the line got crossed so fast to where it was like, man, I'm trying to see what that. they own to, man, they're doing too much, you feel me, they got money, so they're throwing their weight on, you know what I'm saying? That's what I make it so weird, you know what I'm saying? But, like, as far as growing up, though, it was just regular, regular street shit, you feel me, regular, regular street shit like everybody else. But you had, you had dreams of making it playing sports

and shit, that kept, but were you still dreaming or really, like, making it doing street shit at the same time, like, really trying to do both big? It's just survival, you feel Street says just survival, where you gotta eat. My mama and daddy wasn't rich or didn't have no, you feel me? My mama probably make, the hell best make $20,000 a year type of shit, you feel me? My daddy a street nigger, he might have a job, he might not, he might have the money, he might, you feel me, like.

So that's just survival, you feel me. Selling bags, running the house, stealing shit, like that's just survival instinct. That don't make you, I feel like, that don't even make you a bad person, you feel me, it's just survival instinct. You're trying to survive. I'm trying to eat. I don't want to go to school with the same shoes I had on at summer break. And in August, come around, I got to put these same bits.

You feel me? So as you get older, and it's different when you're a kid, you feel me, because you kids, you feel me? Like, it's on your parents. When you get to high school and shit, middle school, the motherfuckers get to talking about, like, you see, my shoes is dirty, or they might be fake. You feel me? Like, your mama, she's trying to just make sure you look good, but your journey is fake. So you might be happy, okay, I got a prayer of joy and get the school.

You feel me? Do you think in some way that all this shit that you've managed to come out and accomplish was motivated by those experiences of feeling humiliated? I never forget. I never forget none of that shit. All the bitches who weren't trying to fuck with me. Like, you would be surprised now. Like, bitches that act like a nigga is brand new.

Like, oh, like, damn, you don't remember me? You don't remember? You feel me? And they don't wonder why it get handled the way it gets handled. Like, because I, you know what I remember when I used to did want you real bad when I was 14. That's a good feeling. And you ain't, yeah, that's a break from. Niggas too, like a nigga try, act like, like, like, niggas ain't, you might not want to hang with you because you ain't looked apart.

You feel me? Like, you might not have been as cool. You ain't have all the shoes. You feel me? Like, you ain't, my mama could never buy me no chain. You feel me? Niggas was having chains and you feel me, like the little big name play chains.

I want one of them bitches so bad. I could never get one, you feel me? Like, I never, I stopped keeping track of when the Jordans came out because I never, you feel me? I know not to ask for that type of shit. I know not to even ask for it. Right. You feel me, I remember when Levi's was pop,

and everybody was wearing five-o-ones. Yeah. You feel me, I knew not to even ask for that type of shit. You feel me, I got to go get it myself. I got to go figure it out. You feel me? So now, what the position I'm in now? Like, that's how it shaped me.

Like, I don't wear Jordans because I missed that wave, you feel me? Like, I wear, what I wear the Xana shoes and shit like that, not just because I'm trying to shit on something, you feel me? But I ain't never get into Jordan because I never had them. You feel me? Like, I'm going to be YT and some $2,000 shoes, you feel you feel? Just because I never got into the names or the threes, in which, you feel me?

I never, I knew not to even ask for that shit. You feel me? No, I feel honest as to say, I was so disconnected from the Jordan shit because when I was a kid, it just wasn't even an option. Wasn't even an option, girl. It's not even an option. Like, I remember my daddy when he got out of jail,

you feel me? He, uh, he can't pick me up from school. And I'm happy that he's out and shit, but I got these light up shoes on, you feel me? And I remember he was pissed. Like, fuck got you, then. I'm like, my man, man I got me these.

He took me to the mom, he got me some shoes, and that's really what, that's like the first time. I remember that story because that was like, like the first memory that I realized,

like, oh, maybe I don't get like good shit. Like, I'm a kid, I like it. They light up, you feel me, but maybe it's saying, like,

not what I'm supposed to be wearing, I'm supposed to be wearing this type of shit. I'm always fascinated by that moment for like a young boy where they kind of like get confronted with some manly shit. Like, you know,

your dad could tell you your whole life, like don't fight. But then there's going to come a moment. Like, don't punch your brother. Don't, don't hit your sister. That's, there's a period where they got to tell you that. And then there's a period where they got to tell you, hey, like, if somebody disrespected you,

you got to beat their ass. See, yeah, my dad, it was never on that. Don't do it. You feel me? My dad is a street, like, for real. Like, he's not on that. He ain't south. You feel, me?

Like, he's right, right and wrong. It's wrong. Handle your business. That's why I get that from. Right is right, right. For sure. What the fuck did you just do to the black and mild right there? I put five-out energy on it.

For real? Yeah. That's the most gangster thing I ever heard of him in my life. I did not even know that was a possibility. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Who put you on to that? It's just a thing where we're from. Louis is all different, man.

See a nigga with a five-hour energy bottle. He's putting it on his black. It's called a wet black. Wow. Here we are. I had no idea. That's amazing. Culture thing right there.

Big culture. You got anything else like that I should know about? Like a culture thing that's like things you all do that like then you go to Atlanta and you realize like damn Nobody else does some of the shit that I grew up think it was normal Freaky your black you know a freaking a black is No like a plastic tip black you know like a plastic tip like you take out of tobacco out and then it's like a little brown like the cancer paper Right and make it harsh So you take that bitch out and then put the tobacco back in and make it smooth little smoke

Wow. It's called freaking a black. Damn. Can you go to the corner store and buy a single cigarette? Oh, no, that ain't really a thing. You can, I'm sure, but I don't smoke cigarettes. That was the best shit in New York. I do smoke cigarettes, but I try not too.

Every rapper smoke cigarettes, and every rapper wants you to not know that they smoke cigarettes. I'm more of a black and male type of a nigga, though. If I'm smoking a cigarette, that's because it ain't no black serene. We in Cali. I can't find these. Right. For everybody in California, if y'all can't order, camera, which... This one's probably just you.

Look, out of 7-Eleven's the corner, so I need y'all to get these for me. I'm going to buy all of them when I come out here. Black and Mouth F.T. Feel the tip? That makes it so where you don't got to freak it. Because they don't put the cancer paper in. You feel me? They just, you already got to look for it.

You know what I'm saying? For sure. Y'all can just, boom, fire right up. But so do you, normally when I see rappers smoking black and miles, it's because, like, they're on papers and they can't smoke blunts. I have a little probation right there. Is that the reason, or is it?

I bought probation right back. Gotcha. Till 2,023. How's that feel? That's got to suck. You're getting all this money and enjoying yourself, and you still got to get pissed tested?

No, I'm on supervised now so I can move around this shit. Okay. You feel me? But you still got this shit hanging over your head. They can call any day, like, come on back.

We need to highlight shit. You know what I'm saying? And you don't know what? money happen. But that's what they like though. They like to have that power over you. That's really what the whole core system is about showing you that you're not in charge because you broke a rule and we're going to show you who's the boss. It's not about even doing something right or wrong. It's about the power thing. They don't want you to feel like you got, you know what what I'm saying, power or feel entitled to your power or whatever. You know what I'm saying? They

want to let you know who's the boss. That's what all that's just about and money. Me and you can have the same charge, but I might not have no money to pay the lawyer. So I'm going to get hit on my head where we did the same thing. But because you can pay for a defense, you're going to, you know what I'm saying? You probably going to get a better sentence. But do they understand that you're in a very different position right now than you were a year or two ago, financially and whatnot? I don't even think they look at it as a financial thing because I've been straight. for a little minute but you know what I'm saying like I don't even think they

care like if anything it may get worse you gotta think like last time I tried to have a show in Louisville it was 16 or something state troopers out front of venue like the promoter call like don't come down here really you feel me yeah like and then after I got shot I had a show Jack had bought me out to his show that's my man Jack Harlow yeah he had bought me out to his show at Palestine Hall he was on tour. And, uh, like, they was tripping, like, telling me, like, man, when y'all come here, y'all can't leave, like, y'all got to get here early and y'all got to stay here the whole

time until you go on. What the fuck? And that was, like, a police thing. And then they had told me, like, that the LNPD had called down to Atlanta, like, to a generation now. That's what he's saying, to, you know what I'm saying, to Jackson manager. And drumming them and told them, like, you know what I'm saying? My man Roy, she's an engineer.

He's an A and I generation there. He'd be mixing a lot of my shit. But they had told him, like, y'all need to keep Jack away from G. Like, he's a danger to people around him. Like, you know what I'm saying? Wow. There'd be a lot of violence around him. Like, he don't need to be around him.

He don't need to be on no tours, doing no shows. You feel me? And that really could have made Jack to be like, ah, shit, hell, I ain't fucking with him because he don't really know me. He knows me from music. You know he from the same city. He liked my music, though.

He always supported. of my music, like once he got wind to it, you know what I'm saying? But he didn't back up off of me, like, he was like, fuck, you know how white dudes be like, once y'all fuck with somebody, y'all fuck with him, you know, you could say whatever about him, like, this is my boy, like, I don't give a fuck what y'all said he did, this is my man. We do be like that. You know, really, really. This is my, I don't give a fuck, y'all say he tripped the old lady.

No, he didn't. I already really, really, I already really like Jack just as a person and shit. just seems like a really good guy and like you know he's blown the fuck up since i interviewed him he's a big ass he made me understand trolling because at first i'd be like jack what the fuck are you doing bro like i can't you know i fuck with you but you can't be saying it's that you be saying he like he's just yeah he's trolling i'm like trolling then he's playing it to him i'm just like so happy when i see him supporting you so much because that just really shows that he plans on doing good things with his fame and his success because like him giving you that look by bringing you on

Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. Like, that's huge. Like, it might have been, like, a couple years before you had a song that was big enough to get to that level or whatever. He really helped, like, usher you in. That's huge. On his album, he had me and Little Baby, I think. Those are only features?

I think so. He might have some couple more people, but he had me and Little Baby. You know, he had four other songs that was bigger that he could have chose to do. You see what I mean? He chose to put me on her. You know what I'm saying? You didn't have to do that. Like, I know the niggas that fuck on me for real that probably wouldn't have did that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, and I wouldn't have felt no type of way. Like, hell no. Like, but for him doing that, I'm like, bro, you know what I'm saying? He see it in me. Like, he's one of them people like, are you recording? Gee, you got to make sure you're recording. Like, man, don't go home.

Don't go back home. Like, stay. You need to book a studio for a week and record. Right. Like, he's one of them type of people. He's a little worried about you getting caught up in something. Yeah, like he don't, yeah, he don't want me to, you feel me? Like, he don't want, nobody want me to get took

because they feel like it's just such a one in a billion chance that this shit might not happen again, where we're from, like, I don't think people know how hard it is, like, and they don't got nothing to do with skill or none, because, you feel me, like, we got talented rappers, you feel me? But it's just like a coin toss, like, like you can't make a mass group of people like somebody, and then you can post them all they want.

like you feel me but you can't if it was that easy then a nigger like baby will be able to post you one time and you get a million followers and it's over with it and he would be able to make all his best friends famous rappers you know it's not that easy it don't go like that it's just like a I don't think nobody really know like how you get picked to be the one like you're the one right there you just because there's a million dudes who rap over similar beats who like you know might have a similar flow whatever but they're saying you know you're just sometimes somebody just stands out way, way fucking more. But that's why I think it's dope, too, is that Jack could easily look at you as competition.

Yeah. And it would be easy. It's easy to ignore somebody and let them do their career and just not help them out or whatever. But in the long run, him fucking with you is way better for his career because there's a shitload of people that are going to look at him and be like, damn, like he's using his powers for good. That's dope. Yeah. And he don't abuse it. He don't make you feel like he's big, you know what I'm saying?

You know how people will be like, you know, they want you to, I'm the bigger artist, I need to get the, he ain't like that. He's not like that, you know what I'm saying? And I think that might be like a, that's an attest to how he was raised, you feel me? Like, not to say that most niggas ain't raised with, like, around real love, but it don't be that for real. Like, you feel me, it's so much, like we were talking about earlier, like, street shit, shootouts, and rivalries. Like, I'm looking at it as, y'all might look at it as, like, that's what make you a street, nigga. But I look at it, like, and I'm in it, you feel me? just survival for a lot of niggas.

Like, this is how I'm surviving. This is how I close myself, how I feed myself. Like, it's just survival, you feel me? So you can tell Jack was one of them people who grew up not, he grew up living, not surviving. You know what I'm saying? He grew up enjoying himself, like, with real love, parents, you know what I'm saying? Not to say, mom and my dad ain't love me or nothing like, you know what I'm saying? But he grew up around established people who was showing him real love, you know what I'm saying?

So it's just in him. Like he's not, he don't have to force his genuine, you know what I'm saying, that he's genuine. You can just see if he fuck with you, he'd fuck with you. If he don't, he's not going to say nothing to you. He's never going to make it like he fuck with you or nothing. Sometimes you can see people and you can see that their motivation is just to get rich and famous. And sometimes you see people and you could tell that, yeah, they want to do that, but they also care about the culture and the music and hip hop overall.

And that'll take you a lot further. That's just number one. one thing. Yeah. He was like, man, he don't got nothing with you being a gangster, nothing with you being,

though, it's all about music for him. Like, he think I, he think I'm the best rapper ever, like,

you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't tell him, like, he'll put me up against anybody, like, song for song. And then he knows

that I make my shit in like 15 minutes. Yeah, you know, like that. And I write it. You do right. I can tell.

It's way too well put together. I was like, he can't be, purely punching in. Cut the beat on 15 minutes. I'm going to write the hook, the verse, the hook, and then we're going, you know what I'm saying?

Go to the next one. So once he's seen that I was like it, he told me like, because I didn't know everybody wasn't like that. You know what I'm saying? So, it's real. I watch famous rappers get in the booth and have to, just to get one bar,

they have to say it 30 fucking times. And it's nothing. It's nothing. It's like, I'm driving around in the coop. They say it fucking 40 times. It takes them to get it right. And I'm like, do you even speak English? Like, how could this be that hard?

Like, I don't know. No, for real. I don't see anything. I don't see anything. I didn't think the niggum be in there for four hours and be like, then what do you get? Four bars. Oh, my God. There's no way.

It's no way. It's no way. It's no way. It's no way to a different song. Let's go to a different one. Yeah. Let's just hang this one up. Four bars, no.

There's no. It's no way. With Jack is, you feel me? He just feel like he believed in it more than I did at the beginning. Because I'm just. putting out my shit like, you feel me? I'm thinking like the feds fucking around, come get us, you feel me?

Like, I'm just, you know what I'm saying? We're just popping our shit, so our story get told, like, that niggas from Newburgh, from Rihada, like, you feel me, like, yeah, we that, you feel that, you feel me? And G rapping, you know what I'm saying? So we're just telling our story, like, but Jack was like, no, like, this is bigger than that,

no, like, you'll be stupid if you let this shit just go away. in the wind, like, just keep making songs. Like, that's the best advice. And I don't even like doing that, like, giving me advice. That's like the best advice I can give to somebody rapping. Like, no matter what you're going through, like, because I don't been through it, like, close people dying, like, you feel me, like, shootouts,

whatever, you feel, me, whatever you can, I've been through it, you feel me, while I'm rapping. You got to keep on figuring out a way to put that video out at that month. You feel me? like every month like you need to be making sure you coming with that video you feel me because the world want that energy you feel me they want to they want to watch somebody else's life believe it or not you feel me because they might not be you feel me too happy about their situation or they might not feel like their life's exciting you feel me so if you got something going on and you can articulate it well

enough the world you can put it in a song and be creative enough to make a video about it even if it's just showing how you living in the neighborhood walking down the street you feel me like do that you know what I'm saying like keep on making shit you feel me like because I couldn't say how it was gonna happen but I thought wow I just knew you feel me like and shit that we was escaping from and you feel me like getting out of like I was just like yeah it's a poor we got a plan for us like god got a plan for us like I got to keep on for us You feel me? Definitely.

I'd be tired, you feel me for real? Because my life for real, like, it's real shit going on. Like, I'd be tired, and I'd be like, fuck it, you feel me? But I got so many niggas with me, like, that it's like, nah, like, nah, we're doing this. Like, you're going to do this.

Like, no, because if I stop, then it's like, shit, well, we're going, you feel me? Like, nah, like, you're motivating us. So I can't let the people that I'm motivated and get unmotivated because then I'm affected. than a hundred more lives that the niggas who's motivated for them

or their family, you feel me? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm realizing that it was bigger than me, you feel me? That's what kept me motivated to keep on, you feel me? And that's like your whole city. Like, you're gonna influence thousands of kids to at least be able to look at you

and say that that's the model for how I can do so through myself. I can do it, you feel? Like, I can do it. Like, I wouldn't never, I would never like. The nigger with the, out of, best shit growing up. Like I ain't, I wasn't never that nigger. I ain't had to coat his bike. When I turned 16, there ain't nobody buy me no car about my own. You feel me? Like,

I wasn't never that nigga, you feel me? Like, but I always been what I am. You feel me? And I'm still that now. It's just heightened. And then you feel me, bigger. You feel me, it's just, it's grown. Who I was back then, it's still on I am right now. It's just on the bigger. It's just growth, you feel me. I ain't changing to somebody. I. I'm I ain't run away from who I was or not. I just, you feel me? I just made it bigger than what it was, you know what I'm saying? And even with me playing sports and shit,

like, if I ain't never play sports, like, I try to go to college and finish college and do that, you feel me? Like, I tried my hardest to do that shit, you feel me? Like, but it's just like a nigga. Like, so much shit be going on. Like, I'm not like the regular nigger who's trying to go to college. Is that what fuck that up for you? Is that you just had too much stuff for me?

It was too much shit going on. And that shit killed me because I know it's like I felt like I was doing something good and right, you feel me? And like, I ain't never seen no future in the streets. I knew that at a young age, like, I'm gonna die and go to jail. Like, my niggas was going to jail young, 18, 19, you feel me, five years, you feel me 10 years, and you feel me, like, so I knew what come from that. You feel me?

So I felt like I was trying so hard to. to make something on myself, you feel me, but my survival is doing what I know, selling drugs, you feel me, might take something like, I'm surviving, you feel me, because I don't got no big-ass support system, you feel me, like making sure everything straight while I'm trying to go to school and play sports, you feel me?

So, but if I would have never been trying to do something, I would have never made it out to California, you feel me, And it would have never be what it is right now. Like, if I never got to go and try to play Juko and go out there, you feel, me, and see what's really going on out there, like, I'll never be what I'm here right now, you feel me? So that's why I just said when I first started. Like, everything they got me right here had to happen exactly how it had to happen. Like, if anything would have went one step differently, I'm not right here.

Because, okay, so you drop out of college, and I realized it was kind of late in the interview to be doing that. like the early stage of your life, but you drop out college and then how long is it until you catch your case? I ain't even to drop out. I went to jail. For the 12 pounds situation? Yeah, I went to jail. I went to jail and I couldn't go back. And I even tried to go back. Matter of fact, that wasn't even the first case. I caught another case, you feel me, at school, you feel me. And because it was a felony, you feel me, they took away my financial aid. Oh, wow. So, but I'm tripping. I was all really doing my thing and what I was doing. I had my family. I had system going so I can pay for myself so I tried to pay for a semester myself you feel

me and I just wasn't focused on there because I'm like man I'm doing all this and I'm giving this money to this school to go and I don't even want to do you feel me that's pretty hard to pay for your your tuition and dope money because they took your financial aid away because you were doing a bunch of bullshit so it's like so it's like I was trying to go like but when I came back when I got caught with the, you know what I'm saying, with the money and the weed and shit, you feel me, I couldn't go back no more, like, you know what I'm saying? I couldn't go back, like, I had to stay in Louisville, like, you know what I'm saying,

and fight the case, and then I had got indicted and I really couldn't go back, you feel me? So, but everything had to happen like that. Like, it had to be going like, even that day, like, I think about it on that day. If I would have did my regular routine that day and just went back to, you know what I'm saying where I was supposed to be at, that would have never happened, but I was on some shit like, I had just started, that's when I just first started, you feel me, wanting the rap. And you feel me, I was talking to these people and they like, man, I had this song

called New Numbers that I had made. That was like the first song I made. And they was like, man, this shit hard. Like, you feel me? You come down here with, you feel me, about 20 grand, we're going to get this bitch out through the strip clubs and shit in their line. I'll shoot your video. You're going to, you feel me, you're going to take out.

So I'm like, shit, $20,000. All right. So I drive back to, you know what I'm saying? I drive back to Texas. I was, you feel, me in Texas at the time, I dragged back to Texas, get my little shit together, boom, and I drive to Louisville, you know what I had, boom, knocked that, and then I got some more shit coming, you know what I'm saying, in her. You know what I'm saying?

There was some more shit coming in there. And usually I'm not the nigger who, you feel, me? Right. You know what I'm saying? You get drivers. But this time I was just on some, here, let me make this extra money and use that for, you feel me. This one flip, I can get that to them what they said they wanted to do everything for me.

And then I'm, you feel me, I'm straight, you feel me? I ain't fuck going back there to, you know what I'm saying, to school, fuck all that. I'm going to do this. Right. You feel me? And that morning, what, no, it was old. Really? You feel it was over with.

And everything was straight. I thought everything was straight looking around and, you feel me? Everything looked like how I usually looked. I got in that car. Pulled off. Boom. A narc had pulled up. I knew it was them.

You feel me? I switched lanes. They stayed in the lane. They kept going straight. I make a left. Boom. Another one's coming off the street. I made the left from getting behind me.

Then I get up to like, because it's like, you know what I'm saying, a lot of like square blocks, you know what I'm saying? It stops like on each like I stopped saying. So they can circle right back around. The car that went straight is back at the stop. And it's one behind me. So I'm like, hold on. What the fuck?

You feel, make a left. It's two Mustangs coming through the alley. And I see the K-9 unit. Then they hit the lights on me. I'm like, ah, I try to hit it on them. They hit it on me. I'm like, ah, okay, let me pull over. You feel me?

But how everything was set up and how I had it, like, that's what really saved me and made me be able to, you feel, me even get considered for probation and shit like that. Because I'm proud to tell you that off the camera. Like, how everything is. that thing was set up like they couldn't really just say this is yours you feel me

but you just got it you got it right now in your possession but they couldn't say like this is your car wasn't in your name i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you when we had to the end of you okay but you feel me but everything had to happen the way it had to happen for me to get right of none of that wouldn't have went down you feel me i don't think i would have been as serious about trying to be a rapper trying to make music because when that happened how serious were you about music at that time like not about it I just made two songs. Made one or two songs.

I had bought a laptop, bought some studio equipment. I ordered some studio equipment. I was learning $600. Set that shit up. I had garage band. You feel me? You just plugged the little thing up to the garage band. Got the little bullshit mic set up on the counter.

It was cool. And it was the fact that you were trapped in the crib, that you kind of like, you didn't really have much else that you could do? Now, this is before I was on house arrest. You feel? This is before I was on house arrest. I just did it just to really.

my cousin he knew somebody that was cool a little baby who was this nigga that was in Louis

with that new baby you know what I'm saying and he was like and this is right when my dog was popping right you feel me

and he's he's telling me like man this is his nigga name a little baby he gonna you feel me he won't

I want you to book him for a show 7500 or 8500 or something like I'm like 8500 what fuck is this

I'm looking at like damn this nigga a young nigga like me like me like you

You feel, me popping this shit, like, him and his niggas, like, you feel me? Like, I'm like, man, I can do that shit. It was him, it was baby. Dirk, all watching that. It was when young boy were going crazy, like, he had dropped all of them tapes in one year. And it was a couple more people, but them three, like, was the niggas. I was, like, watching, like, these young niggas, like, you feel me, like, doing, rapping about shit that we, you feel me?

I got going on, like, shit that I'm doing. So I know I'll probably get, man, I'm not no stupid lia, you feel me? Like, I've never been no dummy, you feel me? So I know I can do this shit, putting words together. All I do is tell me what's going on, you feel me, like. And that's how I record. Like, when I record, I don't punch you in, I go straight through, because when I was recording myself, like, I didn't know how to cut it and put it.

So I just know how to hit record, and I got to wrap the hook and rap the verse. It feels like the game now, like a few years. years ago, it was more like, oh, we're going to get all these, like, crazy-looking kids, and they're going to be rapping about shooting people, and that's going to be the hot shit. It feels like at some point over the last year or two, it kind of became, like, people are smart enough to be able to tell who's real, and now it's like somebody like you is getting traction. Somebody like, pooh-sheisty is getting traction.

But it's like, whenever I see, like, young rappers who really don't seem like they're about shit and they're rapping all crazy, it just doesn't seem like the public gives a fuck anymore. Yeah, that shit's just fading away. Yeah, G heard. It's just frightening way. I don't want to knock no nigga though, but shit. You can see.

Like, I don't want nobody to, you feel me, to feel like they want to try a nigga, but you can see, though. You feel me? You can show you what's going on. Like, oh, you can ask somebody that to you. Right. You feel me?

How long has it meant EST, like your EST, but you're G from EST? That's what it always was. Okay. You feel me? Like, I was always EST. when I had the little bitty years, Cheeching, when I first started, you feel?

It was always here. See, I was, I was just thinking, like, because around that time, like, remember I told you, the three niggas, you feel me, baby, boom. So it was all, it was a lot of acronyms, you know what I'm gonna think of him. So I'm like, who else was, Lucci? Why have Finn Lucci? I'm like, NBA young boy. That's one of my favorite songs off the tape, by the one,

is the one with you and Lucci. And it's all the way at the end, but I think it should be closer to the beginning. It was so much songs. I just had to put it. to throw them bitches on it. I listen to the tape so many times that I have opinions about how the song should be sorted

in like what order. That's how many times I listen to it. Yeah. What do you think the order should be? I feel like them first five is undefeated. The five, yes, exactly. That's what I'm saying. You can't touch them first five.

Wait till you hear the next one though. I won't play something for you. Oh, I can't wait, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna play something for you. I got some crazy shit like, it's gonna really, I feel like this next one going, like how you said you feel like this one made me like, okay, boom.

boom, he made itself, he's here. This one gonna be like, ah, he's here to stay. You know what I'm saying? Like, he ain't going to where. And I feel like people feel like that right now. You know what I'm saying? Because I think of my music is real consistent. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've just had conversations with so many of the people's opinions I respect about music over the last couple months. And it's just, your name just keeps coming up. And it's like, I could just feel it happening right now. Like, I feel like this is a super legendary interview because we're capturing you at a point where maybe you'd be a little more closed off with the media a year from now,

but you're still very much in the prime of it. It's all happening right now, you know? And I still got mud on my shoes. You feel me? I ain't need it. No, I just like, I like that one, yeah. You hit us with a nod. For sure, for sure.

Definitely. Yeah, hey, I just, I'm super excited about the music and everything that's going on. And super happy for you in general because it's like, it's clear that this definitely could not happened. If things went a little different in your life. And it's a whole, it's a million stories I can tell you were. Damn, that was it. That was supposed to be it.

I got shot five times, you see me. This ain't no movie. Like, niggas died from getting shot one time. I know. Like, it's a whole lot of times I could not have been here. But God said, I had a, you feel me, I had a purpose. Like, I ain't, I ain't did what I was supposed to do yet to be able to leave. You feel?

I feel like people overestimate themselves and underestimate the universe. You gonna do what you're supposed to be here to do, whether you do it early or late, and you're not going nowhere until you do it, you feel me? So I just ain't deal with I was supposed to do yet, you know what I'm saying? So I'm gonna keep on going, you know what I'm saying? And I'm not one of them people who are scared of the shit like that,

you feel like, I'm at peace with myself, because I know I've been through all like crazy shit. You feel me? And I know sometimes I don't even feel like would have been times I feel like I didn't even deserve to get this far, you feel me, but God seemed fit for me to keep going on that higher power. You feel me? You feel like, nah, like you're going to come out of that.

You're going to come out of that situation. Nigger just keep coming out of those situations. You'll be stupid nothing. Like babysitting the song, through the grace of God, we got it wasted, and then we got it to chill. Like, that was one of the realest, you feel me? He's like you. He's got moments in his songs

where he'll say the realest shit you ever heard. And you gotta pause on it like, damn. I'm like, okay, you feel you. But that shit, but only if you're in it, you can understand that shit, like, that should be some shit like a nigga don't make it out. You're not supposed to make it out of this situation. It's no way.

It's no way, but then it's just away. Like, my man, Nigel. Nigel from fucking New York. That's so far from Louisville, Kentucky. Then he got so many artists that he see from places that got distinguished artists. You feel me? New York, Chicago, you feel me? How the fuck did he come across G one day and be like, what the, you feel me?

Like, the stars got to be a line for shit that happen like that. You feel me? And then just so happened, he can get Goddy on the line. Niggas can't just get Gotti on the line He can get Gadi on the line You feel me He can get a nigga like Jay-Z on the line Like I talk to Jay-Z

Jay-Z said right heard a half of hers You're the hardest nigga I ever heard Like, you're the one like Yeah How'd that feel? It was just like damn Just Jay-D like you would think Jay-Z Will be like a nigga that's like

Quiet and like Yeah He's like a, he's like a He's a street nigga like for real like He's like what a lot Like you feel me Like he on the front phone like, what up? He heard a lot of rappers.

Yeah, he's the singing. He does sync this shit. So for him to be like, nah, you're the one. Like, nah, like, you ain't regular. Like, nah, hell, nah, you feel me? And trying to help me. Like, that shit that he's doing like this, he ain't just saying like, you're the one, good luck. He said, nah, like, I'm going to make sure you be the one. Like, you feel me? Same with God, you're like,

we're not going to let this. Because they know I got so much shit going on that could one day, one wrong day for me, bro, could be my life. You feel me. Exactly. It could be taken. You might not be scared to die, but you on earth is going to do a lot more good for your city, your people, the kids that are influenced by you. And like, it could potentially help so many fucking people that it's like you're living

for something way bigger than just yourself at this point. But damn sure. Yeah. That's some real shit. Yeah, man, my nigga Nigel, man. The guy said Nigel, Nigel was like a, I don't, he felt like he's lucky to find me but I'm feel like shit I can't believe you did you feel like I can't believe you sing this shit like I ask him all the time like tell me how you sing it again like how you find it again

like man I listen to 20 artists a day so he's he just skimming through his videos my next hell now hell now but I something I forgot what song he morals I had a song called Morris he said when I heard that I ain't need to hear nothing else like I've was trying to get a hold of you somehow, you feel? And I'm not one of them niggas, like, I don't be going live and just on my Instagram and should a whole lot like the bros be on my Instagram. I don't just be on that bitch like that.

So for me to even be able to be looking at my shit and see that he rode me and I don't write niggas back and write him back like, what's up, you feel? Like, that shit's just crazy. And it was a quick, like the same day he sent it. Like, it could have been four weeks later, he might have been like fuck this thing like uh he ain't on like this shit happened perfect like one and a million really he got good taste he knew what he was uh he was on to something he damn sure know what he's doing

he damn sure know what he's doing facts ain't no the business yeah and i mean i feel like you're going to be doing a lot of business over the next couple years so for sure keep somebody like him around for sure what's sure bro i appreciate the interview uh you just hit the the fans out there with a whole lot of games. This is definitely going to be a classic. I appreciate it, honestly. So, thank you for having. My man. ESTG, no jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes. Like, comment, and subscribe. You hear the jewelry. Appreciate y'all. Yeah.