No Jumper - The Flakko & Bobbalam Podcast Ep 2 w/ Lawyer Moe Gangat

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

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Yeah, we're live, man. And you already know what time is. They're live with the Flock on Babylon podcast, and we got a special guest in the building, the lawyer, the hip-hop lawyer that anybody needs. Today's a big day, Tori Lings, making the sound. We got a lot to get to. Let's go. Let's go.

That was a good hype, man. They got so much energy because we was working all day. Listen, man, again, like, like this, this hair might be the first time in my life that I've ever done some hard work. So it's like, I'm proud of myself. That was hard work for you? Listen, my flogel was a lawyer today. I woke up at 7 a.m. trying to find where the courthouse was, we'll floor, nothing

like that, right? So I went to the Metropolitan Place, right? And then after being there for about an hour, I see no, like, they start producing on like the wall. So I said, you know, what's going on? So then I googled the judge and figured out like where he was at. So then I, you know, eventually I found it, right? But then, but then, like, you actually see me first, which, yo, I have this bad thing, right, where I know I'm going to get called lacking one day because it's like my eyesight is horrible, meaning like, I don't see nobody, right?

Do you wear glasses? Do you wear glasses? Yes, I need glasses, but I don't be wearing it. Oh, my God. So y'all went on the date once you saw each other first time? No, he spotted me and called me out. I spotted him. I called him out. And then Fleco came up.

He thought he already had gotten an age just for getting there. He's like, yo, I found it, bro. Look, I did all this work. I got here. I was like, all right, cool. So then we get in there. Flaka, I don't know what you were doing in there. The whole time I just heard two things first.

Grawling. It was like a stomach. And that was the stomach. Yes. Yes. So Flacco's stomach could start growling. Were you sitting next to each other? Yes.

For parts. Okay, okay. And so after it starts growling, the whole bench starts shaking. Now Flacco's shaking. He starts sweating. I was hungry as hell, gruel. What was he wearing? Was he dressed up like you?

Like, how was Flaco dressed like? No. He looked like a lawyer? You went into a courtroom looking like that. No, but... You got a purple fucking letter jacket on, too. Yeah, you feel me? Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. So... Yeah, just make it obvious to get robbed. Right? Yeah. I try to, you know, I try to, like, pretty it up, right? You know, you know, with little jacket shit, right? But... You put makeup on.

Yeah, right, so. But then I... I talked to later afterwards, like, you know, please, right? So then I'm actually going to be back for the A set Rocky case. You feel me? Because that's the case that I'm most excited for. But, like... What about...

What about day two? of Tori Lane's. Yeah, so, so, like, she just told him to, like, come early. So, like, I'll be there at, like,

8 a.m. I'm talking about on the dot at 8 a. m. Wait, so, so did you have to show, like, press passes?

Like, how did you get, like, they just walked in and it's like, this is floggle from no jumper, you're getting in, or, like,

anyone could show up, like, break that down. Well, honestly, a lot of people showed up, like, because I think Rock Nation

probably told a lot of them to show us. Everyone was there, TMS, ABC News, but honestly, I don't know what the hell any of them were doing there. The people who should have been there was no jumper.

Like, does anybody watch ABC News? Absolutely not. Like, what the... Yeah, old people don't even care about this case, I feel like... I don't even know what they were doing there. Yeah, no. No, here, right?

Look, though. So, like, he actually and inadvertently got me seats, right? Because, like, we were talking and I was like, damn, okay. I was like, yo, if there's any press that should be getting a credential, it's fucking no jumper.

Yeah, right? You've been covering the whole entire three years that the case has been out. Yes. And then I like talk very loudly as well. Like I talk. No shit. Yeah, no, it was like five times.

Yeah. Wait, what did you say mad loud? Everything. So. Did you like... Oh, shit. I say, yo, I'm fin to go ahead and try to like, like, take this picture. And when I was walking, I was saying, you know what, yeah.

She actually did a 40-yard dash to me like, whoa. You cannot take... Take no future of Tori Lane. But, but, but I can give you a passion coming. I said, I can bet. You feel me better? Right? So, right?

So I guess, I guess, like, me being loud about doing something that's illegal, she actually, you know, like, looked out for me that way. And then I also met a no jumper fan. Oh, my God. I forgot my boy name, man. And he's somebody who works for, like, the DA. Like, he's an intern for, like, the DA. And, yeah, right.

Boy, before you get into that, how tall was Torrey Lane's, like, legitimately? 5.8, right? Oh, so he's not actually. You see Megan was in there, Toy was in there? No, no, no, no. Okay. That height is actually a part of the trial because she's expected to testify that he shot over a car door. Yeah.

And the defense attorney is. And he's like, no, Tori's not tall enough to do that. I'm dead at. Part of her testimony is expected to be that he shoots over the door and the lawyer bought up his height today. The lawyer was like, ladies. What they say though? The defense lawyer. He's like, ladies gentlemen, the jury, you're going to hear that he allegedly shot over a six-foot.

Cadillac escalate car door. He's probably 5'2. No. No, I thought he was 5'2, though. He's not 5'2. They brought like a tape measure. He's 5'8. He's 5'8.

He's 5'8. You saw from a distance. How would you know? No, no, no. Like, and he actually, like, walked by me because he was, like, in the back and shit with his, right? But, like, yeah, he's like 5'8 because I'm, like, a little bit taller of him. Like, it's taller.

Did you guys see him walking with his son? Yeah. Yeah. So I tweeted that out first. Oh, you guys? So save cheese and all these other platforms were staying like from you? Yeah. Officially you say they stole it from you.

Yes. You are the source. Bro, I was the first one to tweet, yo, like Tori Lanes has walked into the courtroom with a sudden wearing a place. Tori Lanes has walked into the building. And do you guys feel like that? Did that play anything? Not hell. Being a lawyer, being in on case for so long, have you seen defendants come in with their kids?

Yeah, everything counts. This is a show of. incredible importance where every single thing counts. And so you don't know what a juror is going to see. You don't know what a witness is going to, everything counts. Question. Yeah. Okay.

So I heard a rumor, and maybe it's true, that Magnus Stallion slept with Tory lanes within the duration of the court hearings. Is that true? The duration of the court hearings? We're in the span of like now between the time that this all started. Well, what came out today in a lot of the, it was all over the place, but you might have seen a headline, you might have seen seven different headlines, but here's the news. The news is in the opening statement, the prosecutor said to the jury that you will hear during the course of this trial, Megan the stallion testify and tell you all these things. And as he was listing all the things that Megan is going to tell the jury, he said, she's going to admit to you that she had an intimate relationship with Daystar Peterson, Torrey Lanes. And so that, But that was prior to the shooting. Prior to the shooting that at the time they were intimate house.

So that was a lie. Okay. That flies in the, that shows that she was lying when she went out on the news with Gail King and said, Hey, I never had sex with that guy. And do you feel like that, you feel like that interview from Gail King and what corresponded to them saying that she did sleep when?

Do you think that's going to hurt her at all? Everything counts. Yeah. Because if she shows that she's a liar in general, what else did she lie about, right? Yeah. So that's why they tell you after things like this happened, do not go to the press or do not talk to anybody.

Yeah. No, right, but that's what I loki feel like, right? If Mad would have stayed quiet, Toralians would have probably been cooked, right? But let's like, here, right, let's, I'm talk. By the way, is they want to trial. Yeah. Nobody is cooked or not cooked yet. Now, fact.

Just soft boiled. It's all good. No, no, no. Everything's in the oven right now. We're going to see how it comes out. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So let's actually, like, talk about the prosecutors, like, version of the story first.

You love the prosecutors. Yeah, right? You're right? He already convict. And they're talking about the defense version story. You saw this little white guy buttoned up. Before you talk, though, I want a concise percentage chance, like over, under for Tori and Megan.

It's too soon. Yeah. Humming out of today, I have to say that the defense looks way better coming out of today. Because if you have an easy case, right, if your case is this, hey, here's an international superstar. She's going to come in and testify, that man shot her. Here's another woman.

She's going to come in and testify that, yes, that man did shoot her. What should you do? You should start your case by putting them on. Instead, they started today's case with two police officers who got, for lack of a better word. Listen, cooked. People call me by, they got cooked. These are the police on Meginside. And who called the cop, the prosecutor?

The prosecutor decided to start his case with two cops who testified to stuff that is not in debate. There is no debate that four shell casings were found. There is no debate that this is what was in the car. There is no debate that this is where they were picked up. There is no debate of who was sitting where when the police pulled them over. So the idea that you would start your trial, your presentation of testimony, with these useless witnesses that give you nothing is silly. Now, not only did they give you nothing, they went on there and they got cooked.

Because they were junior officers. They'd been there for two, three years. They have no idea what this case is about. They haven't been living with it for two and a half years. that defense attorney is a defense attorney hired by a platinum selling recording artist. But isn't Megan that too? So you think that she would- Megan didn't hire the DAs.

The DAs are just DAs. Those are everyday district attorneys. Oh, that's the advantage of Tory, though. That's a, that is an average attorney. So do you feel like you would have did a way better job if you were placed in that situation? No, I'm not a criminal defense attorney. All I'm saying is that if you have an easy case where there's these two women, and they're going to come in and say,

I saw that man shot shooter. Start with them. You start with them. Now, instead, they started with the police officers. They got cooked. The one cop was testifying, he was testifying about, hey, we came to the scene of the shooting, and we picked up these bullet fragments,

and we picked up some other stuff. What was the other stuff? You picked up? Well, there was some broken jewelry over here. There was a fingernail over here, and there was blood splatter everywhere. And then, so the defense attorney comes in, and he says, hey, can you tell me where the blood splatter was?

And he was like, oh, what do you mean? He's like, well, you know where the blood splatter was, right? They're like, nah. It's like, whoa. Right, they couldn't identify the evidence, right? Well, so. Except for a video. What should have happened is the prosecutor should have been able to say that at the scene

was recovered eight items. These eight items are depicted in this picture. In this picture, you will see little markings showing you where each of the eight items were picked up. Okay. Also, in this picture, I have drawn out for you where the blood stains were seen. And so the investigator could come in and testify that if you start here where the first gun casing is,

you can see that this person was probably shot here, they walked around here, and they ended up there. That would be death for the defense if the guy could come out and say that. Did he say that? No. In fact, he said the defense attorney basically laid out, hey, this is what should happen.

Can we do that here? Cop, absolutely not. Why not? Shit, I didn't have the markers to mark the evidence. I didn't mark all the evidence and then You marked both under one as well Pretty much did a fucked up job when he got to the scene Not really like is any of that shit crucial to your case

You could win your case without it But they decided to go with it Because probably because You know if you start getting into the testimony You're gonna have conflicted I don't know why they went without it But I'm questionable they didn't have to get You got to get bullets

You got to think that they would be scared That Megan Estalin and Kelsey Who's the other female defendant probably are not comprehensive enough to go on the stand and actually test them. They have to be scared about their clients not being able to tell you. Because Megan's saying in line like guilt

and imagine in front of the jury. Before that though, right? Let's actually like, right? Because people probably like what's going on, right? So let's actually like run down the prosecutor's story, the defense story and then discuss like the, you know. There's a lot of different things we can talk about. We got to go chronologically.

Right. So he loved the prosecutor. You know, after the first recess, I told him, bro, Tori is because he said, nah, just wait. Like, no, he's not. And then after the defense came, like, I said, yo, like, this is like a Jordan game, but he came and put up 45 in the fourth quarter, bro, and brought Tori back. Wait, so, what started first?

Was it the prosecution or the defense? I prosecuted, right? Okay, it's harder to start off. Yeah, right. But he said they just did ass, and you're saying that they're like Jordan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, right? So, no, no, no, no, right? So look, right, the prosecutor started all good, right?

So here, right, so, again, like what and I heard was, yo, that Megan Esty and her stylist and Kelsey, they went to a party, right? Kylie Jenner's party. Yeah. Yes. That makes it more interesting. Yeah, right? And then Meg called Tori to come to the party.

Now, while at the party, Meg got drunk. She became, sorry, the prosecutor's kind of like skipped over, like her being jealous and drunk. And they just said, listen. Tori got to the party They left the party And they got in the car And started driving a while in the car

And argument took place And Maggie Nostalian Insulted Tori Lane's musical skills And then Right You ever see that Dave Chappelle There's a Dave Chappelle skit When he tries to defend Chris Brown

And he's like talking about The Chris Brown Rihanna situation And he's like, listen Y'all don't know what Rihanna said to Chris And then he's like You can't dance And you don't do it though That'll do it

That'll do it Just like that I want to jump up No she probably called him short You can't rock Tori You trash Nah no she probably says something about his height 100% So that's the prosecutor story

She says that Yeah right Yeah right She gets out the car And then Tori How about the car Shot at her five times Says dance bitch

Yeah Dan's bro like this started off with Dance bitch He said I don't know what the fuck Like that's the first worst worst I mean out of the court Is dance bitch

That sounds like the Joker Like that's like the What you make villain saying, man? Yeah, what? Dance, bitch, dance. Right. Yeah, right. But, right?

So he shot at her. She got hit three times. Kelsey went to console her. While Kelsey was consoling her, Tori was walking like the fucking grids and like the fucking grids and like the fucking Gremlin, right? And the Kelsey seen Tori approach him and said, no, please, Tori. Stop. No.

No. And then Tori. We got to stop. You got to stop. You got to let me react for it. And then Tori pushed her. Oh, no. Tori punched her.

grab her hair and dragged her away that bitch is getting the fucking car let's go right that's a lie it's a fucking oh my god hey uh huh hold on so everything flacco just said is a fact yeah the prosecution said that yeah yeah no they were really like they really

but now I'm hearing it again and I'm just like no what is that that's the crazy story I've ever he put on the car slack Kelsey Dizbus like so it sounds like a fucking honestly okay look Given the context of apparently, I think this is what you guys are going to get into later, that Kelsey and Megan were both having sexual intercourse with Tory Lane as well as, what, Ben Simmons or some shit?

The prosecutors denied that, though. Okay. Well, regardless. No, no, the prosecutor's getting into that. Okay. But, yeah, there was an allegation of Ben Sennon's. But what you just, that sure really reminded me about the prosecutor's opening. Like, don't you think that they really overpressed?

Like, they really- It was mad visuals, man. Like, they're really going out there saying... Were they, like, acting and going on a stage, like that? Bro, it was a... Or was in a video. But it was a stupendous opening statement, right? It was, but let's stop and think about this.

Because who was reenacting it, though? Bro, I didn't even realize it until you just restated it. This was an aggressive opening statement, people. They literally said that he shoots her five... He shoots at her... This is what this is the story. This is what they're going with. Yeah.

That he shot at her five times saying, dance bitch that she runs away from him that Kelsey goes to save her that he then approaches the two of them like like like he's not finished and then Kelsey tries to stop him like no no stop and then he beats guys and then drugs but yeah that's crazy come on bro but wait I didn't realize that they were going that heavy with their stories that's the dumbest and that's why I told you Tori is cooked at recess and you said No, defense attorney, you know, he's great. Yeah, I didn't even want to, like, put all that together.

Like, that's crazy. Didn't Kelsey say that Megan was lying at some point, and yet they're trying to defend her as well? Well, I don't know, but I'll tell you that the most interesting thing I heard about Kelsey and Meg's relationship. They have not spoken in two and a half years. Yes. I'm saying. I don't know if that's true. No, they haven't.

She has a diss record dissing Megan Estowl and speaks about the situation. Apparently, they're, like, college friends or high school friends, and she's been with her forever, and they have. I haven't spoken in two and a half years. And the idea that the prosecution is going with the story that he shot her five times. She went to, Kelsey went to console Meg. And then when, when Tori came up, Tori beat Kelsey's, and then they're not speaking for two and a half years? Because of two years because she got her ad's beat from Tori Lane. That makes that.

Right? Right. And then they said, though, like, so I'm after that then, you know, right? So like they got to stop, blah, blah, right? And then it like went to the hospital And he tried And then everybody gets back in the car And they drive away

Right You go to fuck They hung it back in the car Right And then Kelsey went to the hospital with Meg And they're saying Hold up now bro If Kelsey shot Meg

Why would she go to the hospital To be by right By her side Now Tori first off Man Wait before we go to Tori One more point about the prosecutor This is my favorite part

Because then the prosecutor was in the uncomfortable position of bringing up how scary the police are. Yeah. So this is the government. This is the Los Angeles County Prosecutor's Office arguing to the jury. Of course Meg the Stallion didn't tell the police they had a gun. She didn't want to get shot by cops. Like they're just going to show up and be like, oh, we're going to shoot you now.

Like, boom, boom. You know what I'm saying? Bro, the prosecutor arguing that it's reasonable for a civilian to be afraid of getting shot by police. But what's in that short? Shortly after like George Floyd? Or was that before? Yeah, it was. It was after.

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So like black people did kind of. No, no, no. But the thing with Megan says, she was, she said in the beginning, she said, I wasn't scared about me. She said, I was scared that they were going to shoot Torrey. She was like, I don't want another black man getting killed. But the same black man shot at you five times, beat your best friend's ass, and the

cops coming, you want to protect him? Like, she said that. So that does, did they bring that up in the trial at all? That's going to come up. The defendant's going to bring that up. To your point, yeah, black people were more scared, further scared, re-scared of being shot by cops. But here you had a prosecutor acknowledging the reality, right? Prosecutors normally go in court saying, oh, police are here to protect and serve.

We can't keep making police the villain. In this case, they made them. Because they're just so gung-ho about getting this conviction, they were ready to say. Well, they got to argue whatever case they need to to get the job done, right? Yo, and Tori kind of messed up, though, right? Tori, what? And he, like, kind of messed up because he went to jail and then called Tori from a jail phone and apologizing,

which, why? Like, like, why do you, so here, so, why do you think that Tori Lane's went to jail, call Kelsey and say, yo, listen, man, I apologize, call my security. Let's do the Tory story first. Let's get into Tori. Okay, so now we're on the defendant.

Yeah, right? All right, so we're done with prosecutor. Okay, defendant. Now, this is Tori's lawyer. where I right. Go ahead. Yeah, right. So, okay, so they actually brought up more details that the prosecutor skipped, skip, right? So they said that-

The ones that'll support their case. Yeah, right. So they said that Meg, her stylist, and Kelsey went to the party. Kelsey got so drunk that she had to, like, pass out. The Kylie Jenner kicked her out. Yes, right? Yes. Yeah, right.

But, okay, so like. Slap her in the face? What the fuck out of here? When Kylie Jenner stuff came out, and everybody in that courtroom is just like, Yeah, we're like, oh, shit. No, right? No, because I was going to spell. Uh-huh.

You were interested. It painted Mac like a cycle, right? So, like, she invited Tori to come and chill, right? So she got jealous. Now she's getting drunk and irate. They were saying, you listen, it's time to go home, leave, leave, leave. She said, no, no, I'm not leaving until Tori comes with me. Eventually, they convinced her to, yo, take Tori.

security guard and just go, right? She left with the security guard and was out here hounding the security guard to come back. Eventually, she came up with a lie and said, you listen, I left some of my belongings back there taking back. So then she went back to the party because Tori was left

there with Kylie, right? So, right? I forgot about that. Yes. Right. Okay. So this is the defense attorney making his opening statement to the jury where he's going to tell you what the evidence. Is that what evidence is going to show. So the defense attorney for Tori Lanes is saying that over the course of

the next couple days, we're going to prove to you at trial that they were at a party that in the pool was Tori and Kylie and that Megan the stallion started feeling some type of way and got in her feelings about it. That they tried to get Megan to leave, but she's like, I'm not leaving until I get Tori with me. That I'm taking my man and I'm going. That's what the defense attorney is trying to set up and prove. And the defense attorney, said this and Kylie Jenner is expected to testify defense attorneys have said that we're going to call Kylie to testify. Wow. And the defense attorney

said that this is what Kylie did. We'll see if she testified and whether this is true. The defense attorney said that it got to a point where Megan the Stalin was making things so awkward that Kylie Jenner went up to her and said it's time for you to leave. And that's when she left and Tori

left with her being a gentleman left with her, didn't stay in the pool with Kylie and then they all leave and then the mayhem ensues. But this This little piece, I think, is very interesting to the masses. I think Kylie Jenner may testify and we'll get some confirmation on it. And what was the other thing? Corey Gamble was there at the party?

Yes, Corey. Kylie's dead dad. He's expected to possibly testify also about the situation. He was there at the party? He was there at the party. Was Travis Scott there? No, Travis Scott was not there. No, not, not, not, not.

Mind you, Tori and Travis Scott had a beef and he was macking on his girl. Yo, but, but, like, from the stories, like, let's say, like, academics told, and, like, folks who was actually there, it looks like, yo, that Tori Mac game was so crazy that it was actually working, you feel what I mean? Like, Tori's Mac game looking strong. Yeah, bro, it was working, right?

His stroke game? Man, right? How many pumps? And this was around the time that he had quarantine radio going crazy. Like, Toy Lane was the top of the world at this time. That's a good point. So Kylie Jenner wanted to rock, Tori Lynch at that time makes a lot of sense.

You're about to get sued, bro. When quarantine radio was rocking, Tori was the hottest thing out, period. Nothing could touch it. That was crazy. That was a vibe for a minute. Yeah, right? No, and it's been proven that Kylie is like,

okay, like, and she told Tiger, yo, yo, why can't you be as big as Drake? Right? So she's known to be real topped in with her man celebrity status, right? She's a clout chaser, if you will. Well, I don't think a Kardashian can be a clout chase. Now, they are cloud, right? She is cloud.

But you need someone to compliment her. You cannot tell me that she does not have a child with Travis Scott because he's like the coolest rapper out. It's all part of their whole marketing. But continue on the case. Sorry. Right. So where was the defense at? The defense is basically saying that, yo, they're at this party.

They leave because of the jealousy. And then, you know, this man, because he's smooth. He's smooth. but then like it just became like a gossip rag it was crazy bro he was like and then they start arguing he tells you what the argument is about and apparently he's like this he's like look Kelsey is backing up Meg to Tori say when Meg is saying yo don't be doing this why are you making me look bad why are you trying to be looking up with Kylie all right so then Tori looks at Kelsey and says hang on why would you back up Meg's coming at me for two timing with Kylie

when I was originally hooking up with you, Meg went behind your back and hooked up with me. Cold nigger, man. And what about the name drops? And then a defense attorney goes, and this isn't the first time, Kelsey, two-time Meg is out. Break it down.

We need to gossip. And then he says that the evidence, I don't know if they're going to prove this or what, but he put the allegation out there. This is just a defense attorney talking about. He's like, she did it with the baby. The baby co-signed that. She did it with Ben Simmons?

Ben's almost decosined that. And the, like, you just saw all these reporters. Twitter fingers were, like, frozen, but they're just like, oh, my God, I got to tweet this shit. I know. That's because you're not allowed. I was so mad, man, because, like, I planned on doing, like, was it like you, right? Like, who, like, did, like, the live tweets, like, during, like, 6-9 trial? No, that was, that's a person called, what are they called?

Don't you have to, like, write it down in there and then tweet it later? During the 6-9 trial, they were doing some shit They probably had it in their pants or something Yeah, bro, they were doing some Morse code on their phone Inside and Die. I don't know who that was. I know the Twitter account, I'm forgetting the name right now But I was looking around

I was like, yo, who's breaking this shit in here? I could have somebody had their phone on And someone's listening and typing it for them They probably were in the vent or some shit Possibly. That's what I'll turn it on and then someone's hearing it And type it. Oh, really?

They take it? If you what? Damn. They take your phones in federal court. Also, when you guys walked in, they took your phone. Not here. This was state court. But in the six-nine.

But yeah, anyway, that's what they were doing in six-nine. Yeah, right. So, yeah, where are we? So back to the story. So, all right, so then he starts dropping all these bombs. Like, yo, the fight. The term-timing thing. Yeah.

The argument was about this whole other thing. And to me, that was a very important win for the defense. Because if you're going to make a presentation of evidence to the jury, and you have a major way. weakness, which is that the argument might involve somebody else. You got to address that. You don't want to let the defense attorney to be the one who throws that out there. And so the defense attorney threw that out there, and it was, it made sense, right? It made a lot of sense. Here's Meg. If she's begging Tori to come with her, she's obviously feeling Tori. And then how could things melt down?

So I thought that was a useful part. The rest of the story continues, and the defense attorney basically puts it on Kelsey. And he says, look, the evidence is going to show that Kelsey was the shooter, that Tori tried to grab the gun away from her to stop that. The evidence is going to show that there's an eyewitness, that that eyewitness is going to tell you that in the front passenger seat where the gun was found at the time of the shooting, Tori was found in the front passenger seat when they were pulled over. At the time of a shooting, there was an eyewitness. So you guys might think L.A. mansions, big houses, these are small suburban homes, okay? And the house where this eyewitness is is just feet away from the blood stain where Meg the Stalian definitely puts it.

They haven't confirmed that it's tested her blood. But that's probably her blood on his driveway. And from his window, I mean, he's right there. This is like in the hills, right? I'm talking about I think so, right? Like, yeah, they have like no yards, but they're on like the cliff. like a pool in the backyard, but it's really close. And the house is, it's not like the street. Yeah, they were like right next to each other. You could see the driveway. You could walk into the driveway.

It's not like some crazy. So, so then they, the prosecutor didn't tell you about this eyewitness. This eyewitness is going to tell you that he saw coming out of the front seat, another woman. And he saw that woman in the front seat, another woman in the backseat in a fist fight. Now, if Kelsey is blamed, is she going to testify one? Tomorrow. She's testifying.

Okay. Yeah. Meg's gone first and then Kelsey's test fine. Two, if she's proven to be guilty, is she going to be tried after? Or what's the deal with that? I don't think so, right? I don't think so. But if she's proven guilty, then Tori's clean.

You're not going to, the only question up for trial for the jury is there proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they start Peterson pulled this trigger? And they also found gun residue on both of them. Right. So that was a huge thing. And Tori Lane's. Yeah. So my question is.

The DNA, though, right? Right, right? So that's the thing, right? So it was not conclusive, meaning like, they can't exclude to a lanes, nor can they really like confirm that his DNA was on it, right? Well, there's two things. There's gunshot residue, there's DNA. The gunshot residue is if I shoot a firearm, the gunpowder releases a cloud. And everybody who's within a certain proximity of that cloud is going to get gunpowder on them. And so a couple hours after a shooting, you can test people's physical bodies and find out whether they're, you know, They were near a recent gunshot.

But that just opens up the potentiality of Kelsey, right? In this case, the gunshot residue analysis was done on three out of four people. It wasn't done on Meg. But on the three people, it was done. The driver, Tori, and Kelsey, all three of them tested positive for gunshot residue, which suggests that they had all recently fired a gun or one of them had recently fired a gun or somebody had recently fired a gun and they were around it. The gunshot residue is completely inconclusive.

It's not going to settle its case. the DNA is useful to this effect. Who's the difference? So gunshot residue is DNA on the gun. Powder when the gun goes on. DNA is your physical stuff. When you touch stuff, you'll leave it on it.

Now, interestingly, when you touch a gun, the chances of you leaving DNA that can then be recovered are extremely low. So, you know, some studies will put it somewhere between 10 and 20%. That's why people wear gloves. Well, no, this just means that the fact that your DNA is not on a gun is not actually that significant evidence that you didn't hold that gun. Because the reality is there's only a 10 to 20% chance that your DNA would be found on the gun had you in fact touched it, right? Everybody with me?

So the fact that now his DNA is not on the gun. So that's a powerful piece evidence. The other part of the evidence, Tori's DNA is not on the gun. Nor is it on the bullets or the magazine. So the idea that this is his gun is not likely because, yeah, if you touch a gun, there's only a 10, 20% chance. But if it's your gun and you're loading all the night, there's so many places that we're testing. And so that 10% figure, 10, 20% figure, well, it's like, yeah, but I touched the gun. I touched each of these bullets.

I touched this magazine. I touched the hammer. I touched the slide. So that, the fact that his DNA is on it and they're also trying to... What about Kelsey's DNA? Did they test that? No. No, no, no.

They should do that. They didn't test it, no. Oh, right. And the defense's heard of that. He's like, and you didn't test the DNA for her, did you? And that's smart because there's a high chance that it's, you know, not hers, but the fact that they didn't test it makes it seem like it could be hers. Right.

Now, right, here's where I think, like, Torrey Lane's might have gotten, like, caught up at, right? Is now, how credible, like, do you think, right? Because Megan's security guard, Justin Edison, and he claims that Megan left some of her stuff at Tori's house, So he went to the house to retrieve her stuff And while at the house, Tori Lanes confessed to him Now, he's claiming like Tori Lanes told him, man, bro, listen, man, I was just drunk as fuck Now, how credible do you think that's going to be when he testified? What exactly did he say, though?

That when he went to go, like, pick up Megan's, like, clothes from, like, Tori's house And he confessed to him and told him. Confessed what, though? He did it, but like he was. Like the gut, like he shot. Well, they phrased it as. got in an argument because that like saying sorry about an argument is fine well here right so like they phrased it as yo he did it right right um bro i was drunk as fuck i mean to do that thing right

so but but the prosecutor is phrasing that as yo he's confessing to this and the defense is saying listen hey listen man like that could mean many things right that's what i'm saying they also did say that it meant that he was apologizing for sleeping with Megan Estiling and Kelsey. That's what he's the defense of attorney. That's not his fault though. That's the girl's fault. But he's a part. They said he was apologizing for that not shooting girl. It was like, yo, my fault for sleeping with your best friend. I didn't mean to do that to you. That jailhouse call is going to be the biggest piece of evidence. Yes. Because I think if you're, there's a jailhouse call. And for those of you who don't know, when you get arrested, they give you a phone call. That phone call will be

listened to, it will be recorded, it will be used against you. In this case, Tori makes a call. What he says on that call is open for interpretation. The police don't really have a working theory that they, so in court, you can't present evidence on its own. You can't just be like, oh, hey, everybody, here's a video. You have to have an individual come in and testify what that video is. Where did he get it? What is this video from? How do we know it's real? How do we know it's not a deep fake? Da, da, da, da. Like a specialist of some sort. So in this case, they got a police officer to come in and say that, hey, I've retrieved from the Los Angeles County database, this hard drive that has on it stored this audio from this phone call that this prisoner made

when they gave him his one call. And he called Kelsey. And they asked the officer, do you know what he's apologizing for on this call? The officer's like, nah, I just heard this thing a week ago. I'm just here to introduce it. It's like, all right, well, thanks. Wait, so they can record your jail phone calls? Anything in jail. What the hell? Bro, they'll record yourself. Yeah, come on.

I know that. I'm just saying, like, come on. Where is the privacy? There's no, you lose your privacy when this. This is China. I just want to know for the record, he's the only one who's surprised about that. Yeah. Yo, I've never been in jail like that.

Raise your hand to have been to jail. You can tell you, he got some privilege. Let's go on. Where are we? Where are we? Yeah, right. So, yeah, right. So, yeah, right?

Yeah, so the jailhouse call. So he admits it. That's it. They're like, oh, he admits it. He just said that he did it. But then they asked the cop, they're like, what's he admitting to? The cops's like, I don't know. Y'all, he was so, bro, he was so pointless, right?

Because he just came to that. Don't they, like, rehearse these things before? Apparently not, man, because that dude was like. Maybe in civil cases. I think all three of these cops had they testified after Meg and Kelsey, I think it had made a lot more sent. But the defense attorney's story is different. The defense attorney is, look, He's calling who.

He's calling Kelsey. He apologized how many times? Three times. What's he apologizing for? He's apologizing for basically calling her out in front of her friend and revealing all of this stuff. And that typically he wouldn't move like that. He would not, you know, if he wasn't so drunk, start spreading all this business, messing with Kylie, coming in the car, getting messy with them and saying, oh, whatever, I had sex with both you two.

And I'll fuck Kylie. He was just drunk. That's why he was doing. That's why he was apologizing. That's the defense attorney's theory. The fact of the matter is if you listen to that recording And then you listen to the prosecutors say it And you listen to the defense attorney say it

You don't know what the hell the truth is That recording doesn't say shit on its own And so in my opinion just that I'm going not guilty, right? Beyond a reasonable doubt That's not bad But the rest of the evidence is going to frame the story It's crazy, yeah man And I think what's going to happen is all these jurors

Are going to hear all this evidence And then they're going to go to that phone call And they're going to say, all right having heard everything, what's he apologizing for? But it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. It does. Which is actually pretty hard to do, given the evidence we have. And it's really harder if there's lesser evidence.

And so if you don't talk on a jailhouse phone, there's going to be lesser evidence. So we shouldn't have done that is what you're saying. You should never ever talk. In general. Just become a mom. Never ever talk. It's like these three, like Kelsey, Megan, and Tori is like when this situation happened, and they didn't know anything

or how to keep their self good. Like, Tori calling Megan. Megan speaking about, oh, my back was turned on Twitter. Her having that interview saying that she didn't have sex with them, it's like a bunch of little kids that are not listening to their fucking lawyers. And it's like, we're seeing a shit show. She's so dumb for that, though, right? Because, bro, I can almost guarantee you, man.

If Megan would just stay, like, if she would just stay quiet and there was no contradictions to pull up. So, bro, Tori would have been in a shit bag right now, right? Because they can just pull up just mad different things, right? Now, here, right? So, like, speak on this too, right? Because, like, I was kind of, like, confused as to why, like, the defense was, like, honing in on this, right? So, and they spoke on, like, the property and, like, what's in the LV bag and, like, what's in the suitcase.

Why was he so adamant in terms of who, like, clothes that was? Well, I think what he was really going at is he knew that the guys couldn't answer the questions. Oh, okay. Because he knew that on their property report, they didn't actually log everything the way they could have. It wasn't a beautiful, buttoned up investigation report. Yeah. And so he was asking questions to show that, look, they don't have all the answers, people. Yeah. If you want beyond a reasonable doubt, you want an airtight story. This guy can't even tell you what was in this bag. So he's trying to, like, limit their credibility. Exactly. And he's trying to show you that it wasn't a complete investigation, that they found a black man, they found a woman,

and they said, all right, the black guy probably shot her. Mm-hmm. And then they just stopped doing other investigation. There was a picture where Kelsey has, you know, they have a picture of, it was like the Sports Illustrated Swim suit edition. Yeah. It's like they just put everybody in. She looked bad.

I go lie, that picture they showed in court come on, yo. Kelsey? I was looking at that like, yo, this is who Kelsey was? Yo, toy smashing this? She's a very attractive woman. So that material? Yeah. So they started putting all these pictures.

pictures up of them in their bathing suits, Tori's got his like swim tracks. It's like the swissons. Yeah. The crazy. Yeah. He's like, yeah, I have the shot from the back view. I know. I'm like, yo, you know, let's do it, right?

I thought, you know, let's do it. No, no, no, no, no, right? But that proved, though, right? Because it showed, like, so, and her, like, her, like, tank top was ripped. Yep. And then she was, like, bleeding towards the bottom, right? They showed the strap.

strap on her bikini was. Megan's was. No, on Kelsey. And they showed blood on her ankle and they go to the cop and they say, hey, in the course of your investigation while you're photographing this woman, ask her what happened with her clothes there and that they're ripped? They're like, nope. Like, oh, did you ask her about the blood on her foot?

Like, nope. No, this case is, this case is. I told you, I'm still cops? But none of that had to be on today. None of that had to be what you lead with. You could have put Meg on. You could have put Peg. But Meg Pye didn't want to.

That's what I'm, tomorrow I feel like we're going to understand more why the cops will even put on this case because if the cops had a fucking shit show like that on the trial, I can only imagine what Megan and Kelsey. They might start arguing might start arguing with different stories on front of the trial. So if the cops went first, I think it's going to be 10 times worse tomorrow. All right. So now that we have all of this on the table, I think we do a percentage on like chances that Tori or Megan wins. I'm saying 70% Tory. Let's go. Honestly, yo, I can't say it.

I got to wait. I got to see what you. Flacco. I know you. I'll go seven. I'll go with you. I'll go seven. No, here.

Okay. Prosecution game. No, here, right. So. No, just give a number. Wait, wait. It had to be done today. No, right?

Here, right. So look, so I came into the case. The case saying, yo. CSI. My end. Law and Law and order. Megan is a liar. Tori is innocent.

He also came in real hungry. Yes. Right. And you know, like, like, at recess, I'm like, yo, bro, like, Tori Cook, right out of air, right? And then, like, towards the end, the defense attorney, like, damn near safe the case, right? So my whole, I guess, like, view of this case is I do think that Torrey Lane's shot Meg.

I think that's the case. No, we're talking about that. Right? But, yeah, right, but. I do too. Right? For the record. I think that Tori shot her.

But I just think that the cops dropped the ball in. every way when dealing with the evidence. Meg contradicted herself on in every way lie too much, right? So I just think the thing that Tori Lanes is about to beat this case based on the technicality, right? And, you know, it sucks because after hearing

the like, now on one call, I mean, when she said that, yo, like, there's a woman crying in agony. So, like, it shows that Megan... But she's also hammered and it could have been... Like, I've seen girls cry over, like, breaking a nail. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

After hearing five shots go off and then hearing a woman cry in agony, I would assume that like, that, like, like, like, like, that correlates to that five shots going off. If you shot five bullets in the air next to a girl, she's going to be crying. I'm talking about it in the air. Yes. She's going to be scared. Yes. Yes. But when you, like, pull out, like, three huge fragments from her foot, you know, like, that's kind of like.

Okay, look. I think you did it. Why wouldn't the, the only thing I can't get in, like, the. The thing that confuses me with you two is that you guys believe that Tory did shoot her. 100%. To my thing is like, there's nobody in their fucking right mind that gets shot. And the police show up right away is going to sit here and defend the person that shot them. What I think happened is they went to the party.

Tori Lynch was friend with Kylie. They went to the car. They left. Tori Lynch told Kelsey, yo, your girl's been dogging you out. She even slept with me. Once she told Kelsey that Kelsey wanted to fuck up Megan. They both started fighting Pobly, Kelsey got her ass,

whoop was so drunk. Let me go get the gun. She goes gets the gun. Tori fighting Kelsey with the gun. The gun goes off. The bullets hits the, the fragments hit the floor and it hits Megan. To me, that's exactly what happened.

Why would she want to blame Tori? Wait, hold on. Her career. Tori, you're out there. This is Megan Estabon. This is Megan Estabon. You got room on the team. This man.

Why would she want to blame Tori? Thank you. Wonderful. Why would she want to blame Tori over Kelsey? If she hasn't talked to Kelsey in two and a half years, she might as well just blame her. Her career. This is not Megan Estabian now. This is Megan Estabye's up-and-coming artists at this time before she won the Grammys,

before all of the success went even crazier. And her mindset is like, yo, if people find out that my friend shot me because I slept with the fourth dude she's been with. For Megan Stein at that time, even the way Megan, she cares what people think she's not going to let that fly. Like, I feel like that's what's killing her. I can't let people know exactly what I'm doing. And my friend, that wasn't my best friend, shot me because I'm a hoe.

Are you from Los Angeles County? No, I'm from on the East Coast, Rhode Island. That's a very good breakdown. I can't help but think that your perspective and your ability to see it that way, right? two people could look at the same evidence, hear the same story, and they'll have a different view of how it went down. I've never thought about it the way you have. I've never thought about it the way you have, and I never will. We all think about it differently. But I do think that was a very interesting and plausible scenario, and I think that part of that might be borne out of the fact that you're a black male and younger. And I think it's important that I take this opportunity while I'm here on this platform to point out that Los Angeles County is about 30 to 40% black.

Okay, on that jury There was how many black people? We're getting technically I counted three and then one iffy I don't think it was three How many people are in the jury again? We can't tell, we don't know From looking at a person who's African American

But you heard Flacco's opinion I think there was three Flacco thinks it was three in a possible Out of a potential 16 If 30 to 40% of Los Angeles County is African American Yeah Then there should have been

at least four or five black people. Yeah, of course. At least. Yeah. At least. And black males, there was only one black male. And he was like 60 something.

And he was like 60 something. And if you're a young black male watching this podcast and you ever get a jury duty summons, and you feel like the criminal justice system is stacked against you, do not ignore that jury duty summons. And if you do, do not ever feel like that. criminal justice system is stacked against you because you are not participating in the system. Yeah, man. God damn. You got some facts.

Yeah. Nah, like when I seen that jury, right, because the first thing I said was, damn, bro, it's like 12 women here. There's a lot of women on that jury. Yeah, 12 women. Oh, that's unfair. He lost. Right, come on now, right?

And then it was two older black women and who was there as well, right? So like automatically they'll probably lean more towards themselves, which is mag in the stallion, right? So like the only person who could like relatively even be in a ballpark of like in favor of Tori Lane's is the older black guy, but he's like 60 plus years old. No, but fuck, I'm talking about favor or not favor or who's sidetrown. Fuck all that. Yeah.

There was a noticeable absence of young black men on that jury. Not facts. And I think I think that's a direct result of the fact that, and this isn't just something unique to African American. I think it's probably a young male problem. that, you know, we just ignore, I've ignored jury duty, bro. I'm just saying, as somebody who has lived it and now been in it, it's important that we highlight that.

What else have? Do you remember that 911 call? Yes, yo. She was the best. Tori was laughing, too. I'm like, I'm like, Troy, what? Troy, why the fuck you laugh right now, you? Troy was laughing at the whole.

I'm like, what the fuck? So, Corey is very serious, and this judge is really serious. And I actually think this is more LA because I feel like in L.A. West Coast, y'all appreciate the show that, hey, cameras are taping right now. Studio audience will be silent. Everybody respects that shit. It's like, yo, the show is on. Everybody respects it. We got to. But when the 911 call got played. So there was a woman, they played the 911 call. And she's like, she's like, yeah,

hey, I heard some gunshots. And listen, I know gunshots. There's been a lot of fireworks. I know you guys probably been getting calls about the fireworks. So this was definite gunshots. You send your officers here. Y'all are going to get gunshots. And she's like, all right, cool. What's your name? She's like, no, no, no. Don't get my name. Don't send it to my house. No, man. She was like, all right, well, where were the gunshot?

She was like, oh, it's a little north of me. And they were like, oh, what's your address? She's like, nah, nah, nah. So she's trying not to be a snitch. It was like, you know, I'm not really a comedian, but it was her tone. It was so funny, bro. The whole crowd is just cracking. Tori's laughing.

The judge is. And older white woman, right? Or is she like Hispanic? She was definitely an alarm. And she also said something like she was kind of like chill, maybe smoking on some cheap. I don't remember what it was. She said something. She was like.

She was high. She was definitely high because she was like, I don't remember what she said. But she said something that make you think, yeah, she definitely smoking some gas. Right. Yo, speak on about the blood trails. So like they were saying one, like, bro, like, bro, these cops are fucking, like, they're fucking idiots. So, like, they just, like, they didn't even like take pictures of the actual blood spots. Yeah.

Bro, how do you have a trail of blood in a quote-unquote shooting? And y'all forgot to take pictures of the actual blood trail and mark it in as evidence. That's just dumb, right? But why was the, okay, so why was the defense arguing that? Like, was they saying that the way that she, like, gets, like, moved around the car wouldn't have been possible? Or, like, what? The defense's whole point is that they did not properly document. document the crime scene and so they can't even tell you what these blood trails mean.

They can't tell you whose blood it is. They can't tell you what it shows in terms of her movement. They can't tell you if it's multiple people's blood. It's just none of that. Man, now, okay, right, so look, so for day two, man, now, Megan and Kelsey is testifying. What do you expect to come out of that? I don't know. I mean, it's going to be fireworks, that's for sure.

Kelsey's going to say she didn't do it. That's what I would do. examination. Yo, right. Kelsey's going to be like, yeah, which is why like, yo, listen. Yo, so like, I don't understand like why they took that approach, right? Because on a now, I'm sorry, no.

And on a jailhouse call, Kelsey was really like, cool with Tori, you know, right? Like, he kept calling her a bro. Yeah, right? How many times did he call her bro? A lot, yo. Like, bro, it was a lot. It was a lot. But, like, he said, yo, listen, can you call my security guard?

And then she said, yo, listen, like, We got to get you out of here quick before he gets hot. So she was actually like pro helping him out, helping him, you know, escape this. So why would they turn to her? I think that if I was Tori, she's going to take the blame because, as you said in this court case, she can't necessarily be proven guilty of sorts. So she can take the whole case and then Tori can, you know, pay her underneath the table. My whole thing is it was told that.

It was told that Megan said that Kelsey. was paid by Tory to keep it under the hush. And Kelsey came out. Kelsey came out and said that is not true. So to me, I think the issue for tomorrow's case is going to be Kelsey and Megan are not going to be on the same page because regardless if they want to be on that, Megan told everyone that Kelsey already took money from Tory.

So to me it's like the prosecutor is going to have a tough time having two people that are not on the same page at all. But they have to the right. So, look, they have to, but are they? Yes, right. Logically, it would be smart, but I don't know. I think they will do, right? And here's why, because, again, I don't know why Tori team will, like, put her in a corner to where she has to, like, right?

Like, she now has to turn on Tori because. I don't think there's teams like that, y'all. Oh, don't? This is just people. It's just people. You know, when you see Hollywood and you see artists and celebrity, you think that there's, like, somebody pulling all the strings. rings a puppy back. It's just people. Everyone's self-centered.

Everyone's just looking. I think Kelsey and Torrey had a falling out. I think they haven't spoken for two and a half years. I don't think they have any clue what each other are going to say. Mm. All right? I don't, I doubt. I doubt Tori paid off Kelsey. I was saying that as a hypothetical, like, conspiracy.

That's what I want in my head. And what kind of money does he have to have to pay her off? That's all I don't think he's got, Brett. What are you talking about? No, I don't think a million dollars is going to keep her. Shit. 100K. She's a round two, but that.

Now, I don't think so. Are you kidding me? She's in the industry. What is she do? She's sleeping with Ben Simmons and the baby. No, what does she do? What does Kelsey do? Wait, do we, do?

Everybody see the Ben Simmons story? Yeah. Allegations. Give me some details. I get that, but she could, she could be flying to fuck every single NBA player. I don't care. That doesn't mean she has money. You see all these IG models literally sleeping on a couch?

They get money, though. They might not be able to save their money. They may not be able to save their money. They may not. They get paid for. But they're getting money. They definitely get it. Her IG has no following though.

Like, she's at like $185,000, you know. Yeah, bro. She has no followers. All right. Yeah, bro. I feel mad shitty about our follower account right now. Go follow me on Instagram. Yo, me too, man.

Like, they clip my shit. 183, that's not bad, bro. Yeah, it's not bad at all. No, no, no. Like to have like an actual income on this, meaning like, right? Like, you have to pay your bills, but she's married now. That doesn't make me feel. Wait, in the two years she got married?

Yeah, a kid at all. No. So she's not even sweating this. She's got a kid, she's married now? Yo, can you imagine being like her husband right now? I think he found out all this about her after he saw her picture in court today. When did you get all this information? She's like, oh.

No, no, no, no. No, right? So I knew that she had a kid, like when the Shayroom posted it, like trying to be shady doing this, right? So I knew she had had a kid and then she was engaged, you know, like, I bet knew this. But, like, can you imagine being Megan's boyfriend or her husband right now And knowing that, like, your quote-unquote Queens Was being passed around the industry

Like, you mean Kelsey? Like, you meet? Both of them, right? Because it's, because... I don't think they said she's being passed around the industry. She said she had a, she hooked up with a couple of those two guys. A couple? Yeah, three years.

Yeah, I only would hear about one. That's it. Come on, man. Come on, man. That's all we know. It's got to be a lot, though. There's way more than that. Yeah, that's got to me.

might hear more I feel like the poscule is probably going to have more and more other defense attorneys have way more people to expose to her sleeping with I think so right I don't think it's necessary to be honest it's not no it's not right exhibit 240 it's completely necessary because it tells about her character she's lying about certain stuff she's doing right down every man you've slept with in your life yeah I'm never gonna get another female client to hire me How many of them have shared?

You got two girls that slept. Literally, the baby, we both slept with him. Torrey Lanes, we both slept with him. Ben Simmons, we both slept with him. It's like, what the fuck do they? They're excomode sisters or something. Yeah, like, Eskimo sisters that don't want to be ex-commonic. Well, I'm shocked that Megan Estyne is getting around like that because she don't, like,

Kelsey has to fuck around to eat. Megan Esty. Yeah, she is the breadwinner. She's like, she's Megan Asty. Like, she's like a lit rapper up and comment. Why would she be out of her throwing a pussy like that, bro? Especially as a fellow rapper. Girl Summer.

She wasn't lying. She was really on that hot girl summer. Not opposite because she got attached to Tori, and that's why this whole situation is happening. If she was a hot girl summer, she would not give a fuck about Torrey smashing Kelsey. It's hot girl summer. She's just a selfish hot girl summer because the day before that,

the baby said that the day before that happened that she slept with him. Oh, yeah, that's nuts. So how. Okay, okay. You get me? So it's like, that's what I'm saying. They didn't want to mix their juices. And to me, do you guys think the baby put out that information?

closer to the trial to help Tori Lane's case? Because that makes sense why the baby and Torrey Lanes even were still cool and why he even chilled him because he knew at the same time I'm sleeping with Megan too. And they probably had a conversation going on like, yo, she's... So that's why he dropped that song to back up Tori.

To me, I ain't gonna lie. The timing is because the prosecution came out and said, oh yeah, she slept with the baby. The baby co-signs that. And then the only difference is we didn't know that the baby also sub with Kelsey at the same time. So that makes the Tory situation seem more real because it happened

with another rapper who also co-signed that he slept with her and they both never came out and said that she slept with him. So that's why I'm like, yo, it's too much coincidence as like it's you. Now this might be a minute detail but question for the court

in LA can you use lyrics as evidence? Like in New York I know they outlawed that. So maybe they can prove that so they can. I haven't seen the latest New York. Well, a lot of times see the headline that something's been passed,

but it's just been passed. It's not actually signed until last. Oh, okay, okay. I don't think there's any lyrics that they want to use in this case. Nah, I'm saying like the baby thing, unless he just came out and said it. Well, like, I feel like her fucking a baby.

Like, that really doesn't do nothing, right? But just prove that, yo, that like, Tori, sorry, Megan and Kelsey wore at odds, right? But even like, That's right. The whole idea of Megan's other relationships, the only point that it speaks to is that the argument in the car was over the sort of cheating that's happening amongst Kelsey and Meg over the same man repeatedly over and over again. Yeah. Yeah, Gerber, do you like think, though, that, like, that prosecutor's age will play a factor because he looks like he's like a late 20s, right? Like early 30s? I mean, look, I think he's a good prosecutor, but I don't think he's as good as the defense attorney.

I think you saw that play out where if you grade this trial on day one, how did day one go? Yeah. Touring lawyers. I don't think the prosecutors had as perfect a strategy as the other side. And it's easier for the other side. The other side just has to react. As a prosecutor is your job to put on the case. And listen, I love that guy.

I thought he did a great job. Who? The prosecutor is solid, but he did good in the first half, though, right? He's not a 30-year veteran who's just like, you know, eats and breathes the stuff. You're on offense. Yeah. I get that. Yeah.

So there's a lot been going on in the rap industry and the fact that we got you here Mo today is special because my boy, the person I think is probably the hottest rapper that's locked up right now, dropped the new project. We're talking about New York's own drill rapper K. Flach. He just dropped his new album and you being here, what, for me being in New Yorker, what is the chances of my boy K. Flok getting out? In, sorry, like March he said, right, or May 23. He said he's coming on March 23rd, but do you, are you familiar with the K-flot case at all?

I am. I'm familiar with the lawyer. The lawyer is just top class. He's, you know, he, people call, oh, he's El Chapo's lawyer. I mean, that doesn't really mean much, but it does speak to, I mean, his performance in that case, I don't think means much because there was nothing he could do for El Chapo. But the fact that I'll- But the money. His price tag.

It speaks to the quality of the attorney. Right. And what he, and all I can speak on the K-flot case is what I heard him say. And he put his name on it, and I think that goes a long way. And he said that if you look at that video and we have our own videos and we have our own evidence, and we think that at the end of the day, when you look at all that evidence, you will see that this is not guilty. He doesn't say that the guy didn't do the shooting.

He doesn't say any of that shit. He just says that, yeah, we've all seen that video. And there are other videos. And there's other evidence that will go on. And you will see at the end of the day that this man did not commit a crime. other than that, there's no information out on that case. People can say whatever they want to say. That's a state court case.

No motions have been filed. Obviously, no trial has happened. Prosecution is not going to say anything. But defense lawyer did go out. He's a great defense lawyer. And he said that he has evidence that he's going to put on that's going to show you that what you see on that video is not the whole story. We'll see.

I wish I could give you more, bro. I got nothing. Yeah, right. And he, like, it also came out and said that the problem. prosecutors are not telling him who their witnesses are because they fear if they tell him that he would tell K. Flock, blah, blah, right? And like he's, okay, so like, and he's saying, sorry, so, like, and he alluded to self-defense, but when the reporter, like, you know, like, try to, like, press him or put him down. He said, listen, I don't know, but. It seemed like he was going to self-defense.

Yeah, right. But the person who was walking towards K. Flok had a gun. in their pocket. Their hand was in their pocket while walking forward. Listen, I'm a scary nigger. Y'all know me. I'm scared. More, I'm the least frightening. I'm a pussy nigger. Scary, right? So if I'm with two younger females and I, who, who I just spotted in the barbershop, I did it to him right? Again, I'm waving him off like, man, man, bro, listen up. I'm not old that right now, bro. And I'm walking by my way and he comes out of the barbershop begin to hawk me down while I'm with my two young come on.

Listen, listen, listen up, I'm just waiting until that nigga get about what? Like about like 20 feet out. That's it. 20 feet out, I'm busting, right? Are you bringing the girls, though?

Are you just going to leave them hanging? Because you're not going to smash one more time. They were young, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, they're like 12 or 13 years old. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, they were young. They were young because you don't want to be involved in that. Right?

Like, they were young, right? No, no, you actually want to help them because they are like your younger sisters. Right. But though, and then also too is like, and why police has not dropped other footage if it does exist of the other angle, right? Which there's no footage right now of K. Flack actually finding a weapon, right? So we don't know if there's another footage exists, right? So.

Can they get him for possessing a firearm though? I don't think there's a possession charge on him now. I don't think he's got a prior felony, but there might be. You said hottest drill rapper in New York. There's a couple of rappers in New York. He might have a little something to say about that. Shout out my guy's Sleepy Hollow. Shout to Sleepy Hollow.

Chef G's in jail. Book right now. Speaking Hollow, it's still book right? No, he's not as old. For another year. Wait, no, Hollow. Yeah, bro. Yeah.

Wait, Sleep Hollow's locked up. Yeah. Locked up, yeah. For how long? He went away. I think he's doing a year. Wait, Chef G or Sleepy Hollow? Both of them are locked down.

Both, yeah. Yeah, bro, both locked up right now. I didn't know that. Is it like a RICO? No, man. So I think Sleepy was at like a freaking restaurant, right? Like, while now, you feel it? Right.

And then, and then, and then, like, surely after that, I think he did something else. But yeah, bro, like, he'd been liked up. So he went to a restaurant and then did something else. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No. He was wilding out. Like, throwing tears and shit. Yeah, he was wild out on camera. Right. Boy, in terms of. We're going to come back with the full.

sleepy story. Yeah, right? No, Banto, in terms of drill wrapper, though, right? Now listen, have you tapped in yet to Shai'i K? Who? Shaii K? The face of the Bronx. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

The face of the Bronx. Shadi K, you ready no jingy man, we're back. Nah, nah, no. Here, Brack, so look, I've always said that U.G's to me is the face of the Bronx, right? No, now, how? No, man, it's African bias, bro. Like, come on, bro. Yo, I think Shadi K is African, though.

Hell not, you know, he's not, like, he's like the Americanized African. Where? He's from some country. Hell not, Shike Kay, I know African, bro. Hell not, Shadi K. Shadi K's African. You Jesus is more, like, U.G is definitely like probably off the boat African, though. So I get you on that.

But to me, New York right now, if it wasn't for all these rappers going to jail in the drill scene, we got D thing locked up, we got KFlock locked up, we got Chef G's locked up. I feel like New York would be the staple of music. right now. Like, it wouldn't be Atlanta. The new wave that New York has with the shoddy Ks, the K-Flox, even the Fabio Forins, I feel like, but all our artists are getting locked up due to the legal system. And I feel like, I feel like New York is against our scene. Hell not. And it, because we would be the, if K-Fog and D thing were out, New York would be the hottest

shit out. Hang on, he's on to summer here. In New York, the police are very good, right? They're good at their job They're good If you're in a street gang In Uptown Harlem You're dealing with the NYPD That has a budget like

Brough And they got fed money And they got surveillance And if they want you They're going to get you And it's over Especially the way kids operate They don't

Hey They're just They're on camera doing the shit Don't you think that Them going to jail though Add hype To the whole Bronx drill

No. I think so. I think so because it adds like a credibility to it. Like they're actually doing what they rap. Whereas a lot of these other scenes, it's not as cool because it's like they're just cap rap. I feel like I get what you're saying. But for K. Like the only reason why I don't agree because K.

Like Poo Shisty. Everybody loves Pushi Seisty because he shot somebody in the ass. Poo Shetty would be way hot if he didn't go to jail. That's true. Bobby Shmurter too. Because it's just kind of hot, man. He had a voice. Who?

Pushi. Yeah. And you don't think he's hard to tell him. I lost it from going to jail. He don't got that bus no more. But that's just because he hasn't dropped, but I feel like when he does drop again, I feel like it might. It might.

But you're right. I feel you. But that's what I'm like, sometimes, when you go to jail, sometimes you're stuck in that time error. So meaning, like, Bobby Schmerda is literally going on stage. He still stuck in 2014. Yeah. He's still like, and that's why I'm like, I feel like a lot of these artists, it's like. He's trash now.

Gucci Man was one of the rare ones where it's like he went to jail to like get diesel and come out. Like it's like he went there to like artists develop. element to come out. No, he went to jail to go get jacked. Yeah, that's what I mean. He came out. He came out better.

You could say he was more. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. As an R, as A&R, not musically, but as A&R, he came on better. Mane has never been a good musician. Right. He just, he just dropped in 80. Gucci Man is not a good artist. He's never been, been a good artist, right?

He's not, he's not that great. But he just dropped an 80 track album. Did you listen to one? It didn't come on yet. It didn't come all yet. I am going to listen to it. Didn't come out yet. So, make sure you know your facts, you're coming out this Thursday.

Wait, wait. Let me look at this Thursday. It didn't come out yet. No, no, no, no. No. No. No. There would be no trap music right now.

There would be no young thug. There would be no gunner. There would be no. Yo, yo, yo. They didn't have. It came out. Did Drake not pass Lil Wayne? Just because you're a father and influence does not mean that you were ever in the top.

But what you consider the little wing trash? That's fine. So icy boys. It's out. It's out. It's out. You have. Thanks.

I'm listening to it. Did you call him fuck? It can be real, bro. If your favorite artist in the world drop an 80 track album, are you even touching it? No. Yeah. Hell, no, bro.

No, come on. It's 80 songs. Not a favorite artist in the world? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. I was like the first. Nah, bro, bro, like. You got to.

No, you're talking about Bernie boys drops 30 songs. You can't listen to 80 songs. You can't even listen to it. It would demoralize me knowing I can never finish this shit. 16 tracks is like the sweet spot now. Huh? 16 tracks is the sweet spot now I feel like all these 20 tracks

It's just the finesse of like the streaming counts For the first week sales I think Flacco just has a problem I get that Flacco all day in court was like Bro I'm not gonna make it It was like 1030 Yo it was like

Yo I've been there for like an hour I told him that bro I'm not gonna make it I'm just gonna get this picture and get out of here They're like trying to take a picture They're like yo you can't take pictures You're like oh

It reminds me up like Fucking high school yo I'm like sitting down And listening to the niggas talk for like, hour and a half did fucking recess. Back here for an hour and a recess. Yo.

Again, bro. I'm like, oh, come home, man. You're making money now, right? Why don't you just pay some, getting an intern to do that? Oh, how? Now, listen now, bro. I want to know,

no, like the actual scoop and know the actual knowledge, right? That's why I was actually dead. They could record the whole thing for you. Hell. Bro, that's a felony, right? No, you can't record in there. Yeah, that's a felony, man.

Yeah, but... You got to get shooters. But take the case for you. Yeah. We're talking about somebody that's locked up to. You know. lot of rapists that locked up. But we have a...

Arkelly, he admitted it! Himself, R. Kelly, dropped a I admitted studio album from jail and there's rumors that he might be getting out. No, hell not. No, no, no, no. I'm not.

Wait, wait, you just said he admitted it and then he's going to get out. In the album, he said, I admit that I like young. He said, I like younger legal girls is what he said. Yeah. But he's been saying that. No, didn't he cut.

He said that's not his album. It was somebody leaked it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he came out later and he said, Yeah. It's hard to know what you're, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do you leak an album on Spotify? No, no, no, no, no, no, right?

So, like, and he's saying that, like, somebody gained access to a winter tone court, posted that shit, right? And he's saying that, like, they posted it to sabotage his thing, right? Wait, but what did he make this album, though? No, like, I don't know. Is it a whole album or is just one song? No, the whole album.

Yeah. I heard the one song where he's like, I admit it. A 19-minute song, but that shit was heat, bro. Come on. That 19-minute's, listen. I loved R. Kelly, man. I grew up on 12-play.

I have the original 12-play audio double. Man, that shit. That's the question, though. I believe I could fly. Yeah, right now, so listen, right? So, look, that's the question, though. When do we have to, okay, so do we just always separate the person from their art, or do we have to, I guess, you know, like treat it as the same?

many, you know, and like cut up the art if the person is just the deplorable human being. Well, I actually think it goes back to the rap music and lyrics. So I, I'm shocking. I don't believe that you can't use rap lyrics all the time. I think there are, there's a time and a place when you should be able to use a rap lyrics. So for example, they're going to be all after you in the DMs now. Hey, man. Look, for example, if I'm on live and I'm rapping while committing a murder, maybe then you should use my rap lyrics against me. Of course. Or if there's evidence of me leaving the 7-Eleven

and I leave in my red Tesla and while I'm leaving I shoot the cashier and then later that night there's also a song that drops in my red Tesla shooting it. Right, you get my point. My point is it's more than just fiction. If there's fucking critical evidence showing that yo, this guy is rapping about the crime, great.

If a guy's just saying it right now the way prosecutors use it is you're on trial for a gun possession charge and they pull out every song where you've ever mentioned a gun and they say, look, this guy loves guns. For every music video where you have guns? It's like, where's the nexus? Where's the connection? How are you tying the lyrics to the crime? And they're not. And I don't like that. I think if there's a very clear tie, there's a time and a place to use them. Likewise, you bought up separating the art.

Look, if the guy is convicted of sexual assault, multiple sexual assaults of younger women and he's making fucking bump and grind, I think you've crossed the line. You gotta be like, yo, I don't know about this art anymore. He wrote a song for Leah, AJ, nothing by number. He got that. You know what I'm saying? Yo, new rule. If you get convicted of statutory rape, we can't put AJ nothing but a number on fucking Spotify.

Come on, man. Like, yeah, as a principle, the art should be separated from the crime. But when the crime is, when it's that close, I can't listen to that. What's the youngest girl that he's been, like, allegedly involved? Oh, shit. Right. But Elvis messed with. 13 year olds people take his uh take that away from his music even in connie west right now

with everything he's going through there's a whole bunch of connie fans that are just going to take the music and just hold it but to the lyric part you said i like at the end of day i don't agree with them using the lyrics in court cases but the reason why i think they're able to use is because back in the day rappers were able to tell stories and use certain metaphors and similies so to like hidden messages in their rap's talking about real street shit now rappers have just got worse than lyrics and lyrics and metaphors so I just can't think of a clever way to say that my boy kills someone so instead of coming with a clever way so the cops can't think I'm just going to say yo Mitch caught a body bottle a week ago because trying to

come up with a metaphor similarly it's going to be a little too hard and fuck down let me just say because it's easier and because they're making easier of raps it's easier for D.A. to dissect because rappers were talking shit gang members all the time back to 50 cent ghetto Kuroan talking about street shit all the time but it was a certain way that they were able to deliver the message with their lyricism and lyricism

is not as important now and because of that I feel like that's why people are getting caught because you're just saying it straight up Mitch caught a body body by the week ago you're Mitch that's who caught a body about a week ago so I feel like the lyricism went down and that's why we're able to get locked up easier now Bro, bro, again, man, like, I'm somebody who, you know, bro, I'm all for using that shit, right?

You mean, you know. Are you in a gang, flaco? No. But, like, if somebody shoots up somebody's mama house, and I think we can all see with who, who, you know, I'm talking about, right? If somebody shoots up somebody's mama house and then rapping a song, yeah, you know, we shot up that boy with mama house. Come on, bro. Like at what point do we say Yo, this is like

This should be used This is not okay This type of behavior should not be You know, endorsed and protected Right? So listen, I'm all for it, bro Like that lyric I'm not too mad about that

Because he didn't say the person's name These New York niggas is literally saying I shot Bobby's mom Oh I shot Daniel's mom Yeah They do it for the clout though With the I'll say who it is

Allegedly young thug line that young thug line. At the end of the day, he's talking about shooting and somebody, and don't get me wrong, the coincidence and stuff, but that's a stretch, I feel. That was a Lil Wayne bus, right? No, no, he shot up, uh, Wynneff Lucci's mom. Whoa, whoa.

Mama. Allegedly, why and F. Luchy's mom's house got shot up and they're saying that it's young thug. I don't know who did what, but that's what the word is on the street. Right. Okay. Bro. To me, there's no nexus there.

To me, the idea that you're going to use a lyric. First of all, you're talking. You talk about a sort of the most commonly used piece or like term that somebody will use to get at you, your mama. Yeah. Right? That's the most, that is, that is so generic. The idea that you're going to take a yo mama line and now tie that to YSL, YFN, that's crazy. That's a crazy.

That's a thing. That's a big stretch. But then it's like what you said with the, when you go to a 7-Eleven in a red Tesla. and somebody is in question for shooting up someone's mom's house, then it's like maybe the yo mama joke slash lyric makes sense. But you got to show it. So the example I used is I'm accused of shooting the cashier at a 7-Eleven on July 11th. And on July 11th at 9 p.m., I recorded a song called Shot the Cashier at 7-Eleven.

Okay, great, use that lyric, no problem. But the idea that you're going to say, oh, you rap, didn't you, Mr. Thug, didn't you rap? I shot at her mom at his mom's house He a bitch Yes who were you talking about No one okay Where's the rest of the story And you don't know when he wrote that lyric too

Yeah The timing has to definitely line up Or at least be afterwards Right And that was years after that Juice wrote a song was out so long Like they literally pulled that off A year after saying that

So I don't see where they did That off Yes right So but you know like they Okay so they death don't just use lyrics though Right? Like, they have to, like, use the lyrics to... It's a supplementary thing. Yeah, right?

Right. So, you know, I guess, like, that's the issue that, like, most people think is like, yo, like, they're using these lyrics to just, no, right? They're, like, those lyrics have to be associated with something, right? So... But at trial. Of course. Right now, the lyrics are being used as the main evidence to deny people bonds to get indictments.

Yeah. Right? So in the Lilzeo Osama case, they tried to stop, try to stay. stop him from getting a bond based solely on the lyrics. The Young Thug case, the Gunna case, a lot of what's happening in the pre-trial is based solely on the lyrics. At trial, in order to make those lyrics admissible, relevant evidence, they're going to have to tie it together and put those other facts. Otherwise, you'll hear the attorney object and say, what does this have to do with anything? Foundation. You've got to lay

the foundation. But right now, the way it is, before you get to trial, those lyrics are being used against you to deny you a bond as bullshit. Yeah. Yo, how to live, like, Like, how does that Osama, like, beat that case? Was it, like, just the... If I had to guess, so Osama was accused of possessing a gun, and they were saying that they knew that based on an Uber driver saying it. And so no Uber driver, no case. I'm guessing the Uber driver wasn't going to testify.

Ah. Here, right, but, like... So, here, right, so look, right? So, like, I'm just assuming, right, that when they, like... you know, like went back to like, tried to arrest him, right? He could have said, no, like, that's not mine. And he's lying. So like, how did they make

a determination and say, okay, this Uber driver is telling the truth. I think what happened is the Uber driver finds a gun in his car, calls the police. The police are like, all right, who was in the car last? He probably then gave him whoever his Uber passenger was. Maybe they had

some footage. And then the cops probably showed him, you know, pictures of the guys. And they said, well, which one of these guys did you see with the gun and the driver probably pointed him out and they went and picked them up. And then I'm getting, I don't know. I'm just assuming that's why he was charged. There was multiple people in the car.

The Uber driver found the gun. How do you choose Osama? The driver or video camera footage inside the car would have to lead to Osama. A couple weeks later, go ahead. So let's say, how do I get out of this scenario? I am the Uber driver. The passenger leaves the gun. I don't want to go to the police, but I don't want to get caught with this gun.

what do I do? Call the police. Wipe it clean. If we're talking about what is the right thing to do. No, I'm not talking about it. I cannot go to the police because I'm scared. I'm just saying I'm scared that whoever's gun is,

they're going to find out that I snitched on them. So I don't want to go through that. But I need to get rid of this gun. Right, because they're going to go through the Uber records likely. You'll be like this is. I mean, if you try to get rid of that gun and you believe, believe that you're trying to avoid snitching on this individual who's going to get in trouble Not even just, I want to protect myself.

So I just don't, I don't want to involve myself at all. Right, right, right, right. I'm the Uber driver. I don't, because in my thing, I feel like that Uber driver probably didn't want to snitch, but it's like, what the fuck do I do to get this gun on my car? Because think about your Uber driver and the guns left in your car and it's like, fuck. You don't get shot by them, but you don't want to get caught by the police. Yeah, so what am I going to do with the gun?

That's a good question, bro. I don't know. That's why I can't be an Uber driver Because that's the scenario Even him not testifying is like He probably was too scared to be killed with the gun And it's saying it's his at that point Oh yeah he probably called the police

Because he wanted to just be safe and he had Do some with the gun But anyway I'm guessing a couple weeks later After they picked up Osama and they're preparing the case and whatnot Driver probably went Disappeared or just said yo I'm not testifying Witness protection Yeah man brad

If I'm saying nah that nigger lying That's his shit You feel me that's not my shit But that is his shit, right? That snitching. Yeah. That snitching as a street. If I'm like, that is not my mind.

That's the, that's what I'm saying. It's so fucked up because even Osama, he can't be like, yo, that's the, because why you snitching on the driver? Why are you cooperating with police saying that that's his gun? It's all a fucked up scenario just leaving a gun anywhere. Man, right? Yo, but I do want to, like, touch on Kanye real quick, right? Before we, like, head up out of here. Yo, as two ways, you're like Indian, right?

I'm Indian and I'm Muslim. So you were a person of color still, right? So you, like, what's your take on kind? Did you just assume my race? Yeah, right, like, yeah, right? What the fuck, man? Wait, right? Like, what are you?

He's German, he's Irish. I'm black. Okay. That's how I, you know. Right? What's it called? Identify myself. Right.

No, no, no, no. I'm white. I'm white. I was good. But, like, what's your general take on kind of? like past the anti- Semite thing right Yeah right

Just in general Like now with his new recent comments about Rosa Parks Yeah Okay so I dug into that Rosa Parks Historically might not have been The first woman to stop in the bus

But regardless Like it was a movement that needed to be done So I don't care if she was a plant or whatever Secondly He more recent news he came out and said he might be autistic. So he might be trying to use that as like some social awareness separation, I guess, to kind of avoid all of the scrutiny that he's received. For sure. Yeah, yeah. But he might be autistic. Yeah, he know he very well might be autistic.

For sure. Yo, I think Kanye is a scary omen for the world. Let me tell you what I mean by that. So I remember when I was, I don't know, I was in high school, MTV Cribs was on or some show on MTV. And they had Yey in his mom. And his mom was showing all these pictures that he had drawn. Yeah. And they were beautiful pictures. They were like crazy.

I thought you were going to say some like demon shit. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy, bro. So he had drawn all these in high school by the time of this 16. And then Yey comes in and he's like, yo, those aren't just pictures. Those are beats because I think in 3D. No, but that's actually how a lot of autistic people think. That's exactly right.

That's what made me think about it. What is it called when you're like super skilled at one particular subject? It's a you're autistic, but it's, do you know what I'm talking about? I know exactly what you mean. What is it called? I don't know the word. So this guy is slightly, and he comes in, he's like, look, this is actually, he says the song, he's like, this is the high hat and this is the, and it was beautiful, bro.

There was this amazing piece of art that he had drawn with his hands. And he was showing you and you could hear the beat on that piece of picture. Why do I say it's a bad omen? So here's a guy who's been in rooms that we will never be in. He's been around people that will never be around. He's seen things that we'll never see. And here's a guy who thinks in 3D and is slightly autistic. And here's a guy who believes that today in this world,

if you go out there and you say shit like Heil Hitler, if you say shit like the Jews are horrible, if you say shit like Rosa Parks was a plant, it's going to work. here's a genius and unquestioned genius a man with incredible pedigree a man at the height of fame money power and he thinks that this is a viable

route to people's hearts and minds what does that tell what fuck controversy just just hate maybe because he's received a lot of hate well unquestionably he is affected by like he's lost his family

his wife and that's crazy and that's going to drop but just put that to aside for a second right because let's look at him for what he is he's a modern-day messiah he's jesus walks right for lack of a better word in our culture in our country he's as close as you're going to get to mohammed or jesus or any of that motherfuckers not that's okay he is bro who Elon must he's famous but but who do you have who are the leaders praise him though he's not i think people are turning on him I see Twitter just being like, nah, we ain't listening to this guy anymore. I don't know about that.

He's for sure. Wait, let's take a poll here. Do you see people, you see people turning on him? No. I see, I see people turn him the same way.

Because the many he did, slavery was a choice, you already knew he was already out there and stuff. I still think people are still listening to his streaming numbers are still up. That's why I can't say they're not. Up until like the Yotsie shit, I'm just going to say Yotsie for demonetization purposes. I feel.

like he always has some sort of like background point that maybe you could catch on to but now it's like blatantly like okay that's you're fucked up you know what I'm saying even like wait wait wait wait right even like with that I've seen people

say yo listen like even when he was like praising that yo he's a Christian he's trying to teach us how to love everybody it's a lot of conversations right right right people don't want to admit it there's a lot and and it's a bad Omen if a person who's this smart in this position with this opportunity chooses to go this route

It's Trump all over again. It's a guy who realizes that hey, I think this shit's gonna work And if it does what does that say about where we're at like yo you can't lead with love is bullshit He's not leading with love. He's leading with hate but where are we at bro? Like as a society we can't fucking get on the same page about nothing all we could do is incite people's fucking hatred That's all you can do you can't get a fucking brother with love You can get a brother with hate. I think where we're at in society is that what's rewarded is controversy and hate, like you said. Hate sells, bro.

Right. So Kanye is getting all this attention and views. So he thinks just continue to do it because even though he's getting hella hate, he probably doesn't even read all the comments. He probably just is all in his own world. But it's more streams, more money, more everything. And that's what he's done his entire career. I feel like Kanye just, he thinks so differently to a point because we got to just be real. in college, I was a communication major, in all my speech classes, they gave, we learned about

all the greatest speech givers, all the people that gave, they teach us about Hitler, and they don't teach us about Hitler on the sense of the Holocaust and all the lives he killed. They talk about his leadership. They talk about how he gave speeches. They talked about how he used propaganda to cultivate all. And I feel like Kanye West's crazy mind is looking at the actual good traits that Hitler, used as a leader to use propaganda to have all the Germany go against. And I feel like society, we pick and choose because the same way Hitler, we don't want

Kanye West to praise Hitler, I'm sorry, but you got to say the same shit with George Washington. George Washington had slaves. George Washington was raping these slaves violating them, but we praised them. America just got out of taking down these statues that had all these slave leaders and stuff up and stuff, praising them. So you get what I'm saying. Kanye West was doing what people in America do all the time. They just pick and choose because for black people,

they could feel the same exact fucked up way about Hitler with George Washington. He did violate a lot of black people. But in America, we praise George Washington. He's on our dollar bill. So you get on what I'm saying? And I'm not fucking with, I just don't fuck with nobody that does fuck the shit. But I'm saying we got to stop picking and choosing because we got to say the same shit for George Washington or all these.

All these slave owners that their statues are still up to this current day in America. You're right? And then like, yes, but I feel like the deeper conversation is why do people like here, right?

Why do people, why do they grant access to have a nuanced conversation when it's about slave owners, right? But they are in fear and shutting down, I guess, his nuanced conversation.

about... I think they already did. They banned him off Twitter. Right. But... And YouTube videos are getting... I've had videos about Kanye where it's just getting stifled.

Right, right. But though, like, we allow the open and nuanced conversation about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. We say, you know what? Listen, man, listen, like, yeah, they were slave owners, but y'all, you know, they wrote this, they, you know, they passed this, right?

That's what you're doing. I think it's because they're not here to explain themselves. Whereas Kanye is, look, I'm not defending them. Don't worry. No, yeah. Don't worry. I'm just saying in general, like, they're not here to explain it. Therefore, people are like, you know, probably the white supremacists are like,

yo, blah, blah, blah. Whereas Kanye, again, he's right here. That about Kanye, right? Right. So, like, what, like, I think, like, Rob is saying is, how's it different from Kanye? praising that Nazi than

you know this you know this like maga guy praising Thomas Jefferson and George Washington

one was a slave owner and some even instituted the system of slavery they raped though they were slaves and they made they raped these women

like they did fucked up shit right bro but we're not there like we don't have video surveillance so that's why

some people are still in denial like a lot of I'm not saying this though let me just get across but that's what Connie is saying about the Holocaust. Right. You're saying the same exact thing.

You're right, you're right. I think first off, there's a recency to the Holocaust, and that sort of explains it a little bit. I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of how evil both of these things were. I think with the Holocaust, people associate the concentration camps and the gas chambers, and they see Hitler as a super villain who, It's very easy to just, that's the Holocaust. There's this fucking villain.

He rounded them all up, put him in camps, and killed them in gas chambers. And that's it. And that's the most, that's the sort of the worst storyline you could ever come up with for a villain. And people lose in that, that equally evil is the concept of owning another man that you actually thought that that that was acceptable. You actually thought that you're going to take fucking people from here and bring them here and make them your... But you didn't even think there were people. And you didn't even think they were people. I mean, that is equally abhorre.

But it's harder to tell that, to sort of crystallize that as pure evil, the way, you know, it just resonates more. Hitler concentration camps, gas chamber versus slavery. It's just- What you was taught? Did you go to school in America? Bro, so I recently had this conversation with someone. I can't believe that they, and so I was getting to this point. You know, there's this story, Hitler, and slavery is just a, it's part of our story, right?

Oh, there was a period of slavery, slavery, you know, slavery when we just talk about it like it's fucking slavery like it should be part of your fucking language i went to fucking public school in queens in fucking third grade chapter two fucking slavery yeah there was some slaves it's all over now emancipation proclamation congratulations it's too soon maybe it will always be too soon to ever try to talk about the good characteristics of hitler i saw you wanted to do that i thought it was it but but it's never too late to stop talking about the second class

treatment, the treatment of African Americans in this country. It's never too late to stop talking about that. And so what you guys are expressing, I'll answer the question. Nobody else wants to do it. No jumper might want to air me out. Cancel me. You might want to censor this. You want to know why? Because black people aren't in positions

of power in the media. If fucking every media organization was run by black people, we would be taught about. and we would be talking about and people would be way more sensitive to fucking slavery. Yeah. And the fact of the matter is we are taught about and we are extremely sensitive to the Holocaust. And the fact of the matter is there's a point there. There's a point there.

And this is what Dave Chappelle was talking about. Okay? And so the question that you guys raise, it's absolutely fair. But don't let the hate lead you. right it's not it's not about fucking one person's hey who has it worse it's not about that it's not a tragedy of fucking it's not a it's not a it's not a it's not a competition of who has the most tragic story okay what it should be is an acknowledgement of well let's see these stories where are we today because of them what can we do now what can we do it in the here and now

to deal with this, right? Everybody's so angry about slavery, everybody's so angry about the Holocaust. What can we do in the here and now to deal with this? And that's, I think, an important question. I don't think it gets talked about a lot. I don't think it gets talked about at all. And I think, you know, it should be because there's a lot that we can do in the here and now to fix the remnants of slavery.

And if there's stuff that we need to be doing in the here and now to fix the remnants of the Holocaust, great. We can do that too. But the conversation that people don't want to have nobody wants to fucking talk about what we can do to fix the remnants of slavery. Nobody has to talk about what we need to do to fix the remnants of the Holocaust. And these are important conversations.

I think Kanye West is completely crazy. I think he's lost. I think he led with hate. But is he dying on the cross to show everybody some of the reality of the world that we live in, some of the lack of attention that certain issues get,

I can't say that he's not. It's definitely, it's definitely, like, unintentional, right? Because I do feel like he's going down his route for his own self-serving purposes, you know, but... But what he was just saying was it might not be so self-serving. He might be trying to die on the cross

so that it exposes some sort of, like... Oh, no, it's self-serving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it might expose some... sort of truth that we're trying to get at here. Do you think there's just a level of fame that certain

people just mentally can't comprehend? Because he's trying to say it's similar to what happened of Michael Jackson. Around 50 years old, that's when Michael Jackson passed away, but then he had the issues with getting his catalog back. And Kanye West said it was with the Jewish

record label owners. So do we think there's a certain because there's a certain level like Jay-Z that could probably handle it, but then there's people like Kanye that when they reach a certain amount of money, they reach those certain rooms, that's just too much for them to handle? Well, one, right?

I think that Kanye is definitely trying to use like, like, um, and we all know like how sensitive, like that conversation about ownership is to like black folks, right? So I feel like people like Kanye, you know, like they know exactly how to pimp out these, like racial ideas, right?

You know, you know, like to make a scene as if they're fighting for something, right? And honestly, like, Kanye is fighting for himself. But again, that's like, listen, I don't even have an issue with that, nor do I think that everything Kanye has said was wrong, right? I just felt like the Rosa Park comment was where I kind of hopped off the bus and say, you know what, bro, you know, maybe he's crazy, right? Yeah, that didn't make sense.

Yeah, but he just saw all that stuff for attention now. Yeah, but that's a great point for us to leave on. It's 8 p.m. you feel me? Mo got somewhere to be. We got somewhere to be, man. So, you know, listen. We got the lawyer, strut in there in the building.

Thank you, brother, man. I love when I get called the lawyer. Yeah, man. The lawyer. You feel what I mean? So, man, listen, man, next we will be back, follow Moad. At lawyer for workers. Yeah, man, you feel me on our platforms, right?

On Twitter, too? Yeah, I just got on Twitter. Shout out to Big Elon. When the case is over, you got to pull back up, man. So we can really get, when the case is over, the verdict and all that. Wait, wait, wait, what Twitter, like, The verdict will be right out with

on Monday, probably. So the trial will probably go on all week. Probably lead into a little bit of next week, maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, probably get a verdict by the end of next week. Yeah. I'll be real. After like the Megan and Kelsey testimony,

like, is there any more reason to even, like, come back? Yeah. All right, man. For the verdict. Tori might testify. The defendant. Corey Gamble.

The prosecution will put up their whole case. Yeah. And then the defense team was going to have pow-wow like, yo, should we have them testify or not? So it's still in play. It's possible. Man, man, listen, man, I'm going to be there reporting, you know, on, on, you know, like everything that goes down, man.

But yeah, man, folks, thanks for coming through, man. It's the Monday show. Come back next week. We're out of here, man, peace. Oh, man, moment. Thanks for coming, man. Thanks for having.