No Jumper - The Fronzilla of Attila Interview: Making Money in Metal, OnlyFans, Warped Tour & More

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

Fronzilla talks about his tremendous journey as a teenage rock star, touring non stop since 13/16 years old, taking over the Warp Tour, his work ethic, getting on Only Fans and more! ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I am in here with the one and only, Franz Zilla of Attila. How are you? Excellent. How are you? I'm doing great. It's nice to have you in here, man.

Like our track record for metal and hardcore interviews, kind of weak, it's been a few years. I mean, do you have any hardcore metal guys? White Trash Rob of Blood for Blood. Okay. Filmed while I was visiting my parents for Christmas and went to his little attic area where he records his podcast. I'm not sure if he's still doing it, his nod cast, actually.

And then we did my friend Brendan and them who were in Long Island, hardcore band incendiary a couple years ago. Oh, word. It's been a while. Yeah. Well, I'm happy to break the cherry, I guess, or reopen a wound.

Reopen the wound. Definitely. So we were just talking about it, but what has your life been like for the last six months because you are used to living a lifestyle of nonstop touring, but now you're posted up at home, I'm guessing?

It's wild, man. Like, since I was 16 years old, we've been touring nonstop, like at least six to eight months out of the year. Right. And I've never had a break this long before. But it's not that bad, honestly. Like, I'm excited to be home. I live in Florida.

The weather's perfect. Right. I've got a pool in my backyard and a basketball court in my backyard. So I feel like that's the only two things you need. Sports and swimming. We shoot hoops. We jump in the pool and I get to see my kids a lot more, which is the best. best part of all. Is it a situation for you normally where like you just kind of have tours thrown at

you and you feel like you can't say no or do you have people who are booking these tours aggressively to keep you on the road all the time? Well, it's you're always going to have like the type of booking agents that want to keep you out all the time because that's how they make their coin. Right. But we have like blackout dates. Like I'm like these are my both of my son's birthdays and I will not tour during their birthday because I have to be there. Right. But part of just being a full time touring musician like I'm going to miss some holidays and there's nothing I can do about it right I hear that but I realized this was the cool thing I realized about this year this is going to be the first year of my life that I don't miss a single birthday or a single holiday right well because normally you just kind

of miss stuff because stuff ends up getting booked anyway yeah you can't turn it down if you get a big opportunity right it's a lot of money I can't say no definitely is okay so people talk a lot about like you know independent artists and how everybody doesn't make any money I'll spot Spotify and shit like that. Is touring like 80% of your income? Is it 50%? Like music wise, because we'll get into the only fan's biz at some point too. But music wise for like Atila, is that is touring kind of the whole thing? Yeah. And I mean, I would say that goes the same for every single band and like hardcore and metal touring is where you're going to make like 80 or 90% of your income from. And then the other small percent is basically online merch sales because

Spotify and Apple music don't pay shit and you know there's not many like hardcore metal artists getting billions of views or any so that's interesting so yeah we take me back in time because like I remember when I first saw you guys as fucking videos

and just having my mind kind of blown because you guys were just like delving into you know lyrical styles and like music video styles to put it lightly that were like just not common in metal and hardcore at that time What led you to creating Attila?

And what were you in bands before that? No. Well, like, no, not really. Right. Attila is like my baby. I started Attila when I was 14 years old. Wow. And now I'm 30.

So 16 years, same band. I'm the founding member. The start of Attila is interesting because literally I grew up in Atlanta and hip hop rap influence was massive for me. Every radio station, all you hear. is hip-hop. I loved it. I embraced it. But I liked the chaotic energy of heavy metal and stuff. And some of my cousins got me into like hard music and I started going to hardcore shows up in New Jersey and stuff. So I kind of, when I started Attila, the idea was that I like the, I like the energy and the vibe of rap, but I like how hard metal hits. And what's interesting

for us is at the time in Atlanta, this is around 2004 when we started, I shit you not. Like I don't know why, but every single metal hardcore band was like a Christian band. And I don't know that time period. I was not really paying that much attention around that time, but I remember hearing a lot about like the new wave of Christian metalcore. So my whole thing from day one was just be true, be real, be yourself. none of us are fucking religious

so we're not going to try to fit into this Christian metal trend we like to party we like to get fucked up we like to fuck girls we like rap so we're just going to make our own version of metal and it basically

created this environment where we had shit loads of haters but shit loads of supporters that related to us because no one else was doing what we did so you know we kind of went off a totally different path than everyone else, but it eventually played into our favor. Right. So what bands, like, sonically, were you listening to at the time that influenced

where you were at musically, not necessarily content-wise? When we started, Pantera. Okay. Yeah. So you were, like, more of a, like... Southern metal kind of. Right. Like, fuck everything, rebellious.

Right. And it's interesting because, like, when I watch yourself now, it seems... The old videos, it seems kind of more, like, hard. to remember why it would have been so controversial, because it feels like the world has just changed a lot. And having girls shaking their ass and your video probably shouldn't be that big a deal. But at that time, you know, like, you know,

rap and like hardcore slash metal have just like very different sort of cultural standards. And it was very like, it just stood out so much that I had never seen a hardcore group objectify women for the sake of their video. I'm sure those girls were happy to be there. Of course, and paid. Right, and paid.

And even just, like, talking about drinking or saying, like, you know, you're a bitch or you're a cunt or whatever. It was just like, you know, when I think about a lot of the metal I grew up listening to, it was just sort of like, you know, lyrically. You wouldn't really be able to sort of necessarily figure out what they were talking about on first listen. Like it was much more sort of just masked and like poetry and whatnot. And you guys were much more just like hip hop just sort of like saying what you were up to. Yeah, exactly. And there's definitely a double standard with the genres because I don't fucking know why. My biggest question to this day is why does like metal, hardcore have to be such a like sacred.

Like everyone is preaching about being holier than now and like preaching positivity or trying to like move this big message. And I'm like, I'm looking at all these fucking artists out here. And I'm like, you guys are fake as shit because when you step off that stage, you're some of the worst people I've met. Really? Like we yeah just terrible people singing about being so fucking holy and better than everyone and I'm just like we sing about partying fucking bitches like you know whatever and We're nice like we're just keeping it real like why why did we get judged for being a hardcore metal band that Sings about content like rappers would sing about when your actual lives as opposed to our actual lives The weird thing in hardcore and like it hit me like very early on was that I had like a couple generations of bands I was into and then they would sort of start to

wither away and then you have a new crop of bands and I'm like oh so like this is what life as a hardcore fan is going to be like is that there's just going to be a new crop of like 17 year old kids who want to tell you about how someone stabbed them in the back and how dope it is that they're straight edge and vegan and it's like I didn't have to be in the scene for very long before I started to realize like oh like this is kind of bullshit like every like this is like this is These people are clearly going through a period in their life where they feel like it's like, this is like their coping mechanism to like sort of go through this period in their life. But it just, it kind of like didn't hold my attention for that long.

Not to say that every hardcore band is like that, but there is a lot of that. No, you're right. There is a lot of that. And that's where Attila comes in for all the people that don't want to like bitching wine about their problems or hear like some fake positivity from someone who really isn't a good person, you know? Like we just keep it real Like we're the music you can throw on at a party Where the music you can You know whatever get fucked up to have a good time

Like basically like forget about your worries I think a lot of music makes you like focus on your worries And maybe kind of low key makes you more depressed Right But we're people's outlet like You have no idea how much I get hit up someone saying like Bro I just went through like the worst breakup ever But your music save me

Because we're just don't give a fuck like fuck everyone like do yourself and i think people resonate with that like for i don't know more so than sad stuff i don't know yeah it's kind of odd to think that like partying or like anything sort of positive or then that partying is inherently positive but anything that sort of like attempted to like be more lighthearted and fun like i you know from from my childhood i remember like we were throw down fans and dude throw The showdown was so controversial within that sort of straight-edge scene because they just clearly were a lot more lighthearted with it. What was the baby got back cover that they did?

That was like a huge moment in terms of like a lot of the straight-age bands were listening to because it was so unnerving for us to see a band being like a hardcore straight-edge band being, you know, funny and doing this goofy-ass cover that eventually got so fucking big that it just was kind of annoying. But that kind of became a certain point. That was like everybody's throw-down song that they downloaded off. Napster. Yep. Yeah. I remember that period. It was there was a lot of judgment and it was kind of hard to be Attila during that period because we were the only band kind of straying from the path. But, you know, the biggest example I can give you is our biggest album about that life. When we released it, we were doing our first warp tour. It was 2014, I believe. And when we released that album, that album had so much

rap influence it had so much like just edgy offensive material when we dropped it I swear I felt like the whole world hated it I felt like I failed kind of you know all the reviews

all the press all the magazines everyone wrote the worst shit about us and then I swear like three months went by and it became our biggest album ever and everybody loved it. So it was kind of like, did all this negative press turn around and bring an audience to us that actually likes it now? Like the negativity helped us almost. And I remember that year on

Warped Tour, it was our first Warp, so we were only supposed to do half of Warped. And then about a week before we were supposed to ditch and go home, Kevin Lyman comes up to me and's like, yo, can you guys do the whole Warp Tour? Because you're killing it right now. Like, we want you to just stay on please and we were just like no like we got plans sorry like you should have let us do the whole thing to begin with but is that how they book warped tour there or how they used to book warped or is that they would only have you on for a percentage of the whole thing at first not always it was just a thing with like newer bands like if it was your first time on warped they'd give you like half or select dates and then um the only other rule with warped was that you can't play main stage

two years in a row. So if you play main stage, you got to take off a year. Wow. But you can play two years in a row if you upgrade stages like Monster to Maine. Do you think I missed out on something big in my life by never having gone on Warp Tour? Bro. You never went to Warp Tour? I went when I was 14 and watched from the crowd, but I never went on Warp Tour.

Oh, okay. I feel like being a band on tour would just... You never went to Warp, what the fuck? I did go one time, and I don't know that I remember it that fun because it was just so unbelievably hot and I was still very much at the age where I was just standing around watching the mosh pits with just my jaw dropped like what the fuck is wrong with these people and I saw m&m performed too and they threw shit out of them until he got off stage yeah how fucking crazy is that that sounds kind of and black eyed peas too damn they played too I mean you didn't miss out on

much because it is like the most grueling tour to be on like when you're touring on it like it's so hot that the buses break down every day you're sweaty as shit you have to go shit in a quarter potty every day. Like, it's not a comfortable tour. It's not glamorous, but it's an opportunity for bands to play in front of a huge audience that they wouldn't normally have. And I don't know. It's just a whole community of people. And that's why I was really, like, disappointed when WarpTor went away. And that's why I wanted to be the person that brings WarpTor back. Really? So that's still a conversation or a possibility? So this is probably, the biggest question I ever get asked is like,

yo, Franz, when's WarpTor coming back? But the reality of it is, I can't disclose too much information, but for legal reasons, WarpTor cannot come back for another three years or so. And me and the founder, Kevin Lyman, are actually good friends. A lot of people don't know that,

but the reason is, is for the four years we did Warp Tour, I was hustling my clothing company, stay sick on Warped as well. So I was awake bright and early every morning and no band dudes wake up in the morning. All band dudes wake up sometime in the afternoon. But I was the first person in a band to be awake every single morning. And Kevin saw that and respected me for wanting to work hard and push my brand and grow myself.

So we became friends and he likes to drink beer too. So we ended up drinking beer all the time and just having conversations. And I'll never forget. it was probably like Warptor 2017 maybe or 2018. He pulled me aside in San Diego and was like Franz, like, do you want to buy WarpTor? Like, do you want to take over? Like, I'm done. And he threw out a number.

The number was a little beyond what I had at the moment. But just the thought of that really like it never left me because I wanted to do it. And I retouched conversation with him shortly after just to be like, hey, I'm serious. Like, I want to do this because Warp Tour was important for me growing up. And I know it's important for our current generation and future generations. And I'm very much a businessman. So I want to be the one that takes on Warp Tour. And we had a conversation probably, I don't know, three months ago, I would say, three or four months ago.

And he explained to me that for legal reasons, which I can't go into debt. depth, Warped Tour can't come back for at least another three years or so. But after that, I'm happy to reopen conversation and hopefully I'm the one that brings it back because I have a really good plan for how to make it sustainable and make Warp Tour even bigger than it's ever been. Definitely. Do you think that that's been a huge blow to the sort of guitar-based music world in general? Because that was always kind of like the main stage, especially for bands who aren't necessarily big enough to do their own massive tours and stuff. It just like probably helped incubate a shitload of bands over the years. It did. It really did. And I can speak on

behalf of myself and Attila. It helped us out a lot. And I would hate for bands to miss out on that opportunity. So yeah, I think it was a crucial tour. And now that it's gone, it's kind of like what the hell do we do every summer? I mean, obviously now it's COVID, so we're not doing anything at all. But before this pandemic started, Warp Tour was the tour of summer. And any bands or any other festivals that tried to compete with Warped failed. Right. Or at least suffered a loss because Warped was always the biggest. Right.

I just think that, like, from my experience on Warp Tour and my knowledge, that I could have carried the torch and made it better, essentially. Definitely. Is part of the reason why they're scared to come back? I feel like I read this a while ago is that basically there could potentially be a lot of, like, pending lawsuits that they might have had to deal. with or that like you know because basically like the standard of what was considered acceptable all through the 90s and 2000s on tour and stuff that there's probably a lot of stuff that happened

with band dudes and whatnot like that's kind of what I heard was just that there's a lot of liability that might have come around to screw warp tour over no you're absolutely right the lawsuits were a big thing but on top of that I think Kevin Lyman is just an older gentleman he's been around for a while I think social media kind of killed it because he started using Twitter a lot and stuff and he would read everything and respond to everything. And a lot of people, of course, you know social media, people just go on to talk shit to you. So people are on there talking shit to Kevin Lyman every day. So he's on his phone half the day stressing out about all these people complaining.

But you put someone like me in control of the tour. Who is very, very numb to hatred, right? I'm numb. I've gotten talk shit to every day of my fucking life. every single day. So my focus would just be running the tour, making sure everyone is happy. And I wouldn't care if someone was like, hey, fuck you, Franz, like, whatever. I'd be like, cool.

Right. When you look at what made it so successful, though, do you, because like, when you talk about waking up early in the morning to sell merch and all this kind of stuff, it's like, do you put it on, like, yourself just sort of having this vision of how to build this band up? Or do you sort of chalk up a lot of it to you? just having this work ethic that maybe a lot of other people don't have? Literally, I just, I'm unlike anyone else. I have a work ethic that no one in music really has.

Like, no offense to everyone else, oops. But, no, I grew up as an entrepreneur, and I always knew how to, like, hustle and make way for myself. My parents told me from day one, like, we're not going to give you anything. Like, if you want something, like, work hard, get it. and I appreciate that because it turned me into who I am. But yeah, I mean, most musicians are just very, like, strictly music, art-focused. And when it comes to business, like, they could be getting screwed over for all they know,

and they would just have no clue. And there's, like, a thing in rock music, I feel like, or at least in, like, hardcore and shit, where to make a lot of money is, like, really kind of look down upon. And, you know, people will, like, go out of their way to sort of, like, not share how much their band gets paid and stuff. I remember back in like 2003 that a dude who like booked like a Bain show told me that they got $2,500 bucks for the night and I'm like

sitting there mind blown. Like I'm like... That it was so little? No, there was so much. I'm like, they must be so rich. Like I'm going through the numbers of my head. I'm like, that's fucking crazy. Like, but that's hardcore and metal. They're like, you know, people just kind of I don't know. A lot of the kids, a lot of the fans are too young to really know about the

financial side of having to make it work. Because like when I think about it now, obviously $2,500 bucks to drive between cities with five guys plus like everybody else that's involved with the tour, etc. It's really probably turning a relatively small profit after that. But yeah, that's kind of part of it too. Like running a successful clothing company.

I remember like being on hardcore message boards and shit that it would seem like the guys who were running popular clothing lines immediately started to be treated like there were fucking robber barons who were just stealing from the scene, you know? No, for real. Like the only like I tell this to everyone, especially in like the hardcore metal scene, if you want to sustain yourself and be able to make good income doing what you're doing, you have to have multiple sources of income. And it doesn't have to mean like, hey, follow my blueprint, like start a clothing company,

start an only fan, it can mean anything. Like some people are good at making graphic designs. That's something you can do while you're on the road. Pop your laptop open, make graphic designs. Some people can do video editing, lyric videos. like some people can be a producer on the side when they're home, like literally just figure out a way to make extra sources of income beyond music. Because if you want to start a metal or hardcore band and you expect to make like a healthy, handsome living off of it, you're not. Like, it's just not a thing.

And I never went into this genre expecting to make money. And I think that's what sets me apart from a lot of people nowadays that just view the idea of I'm going to be rich and famous. like I'm going to be in a band or I'm going to be a musician or whatever. That's not a thing. Like I did it because I loved music and for the first six years Attila was a band, I didn't make a penny, but I didn't care. I was just traveling across the whole country and getting fucked up with my friends and getting tons of pussy.

Like I can't complain. Like that was cool. I didn't want to make money. I just wanted to have fun. But I think like the turning point for me was when I was 21, I had my first kid. And I was like, shit, like now I need to make money for someone else. Right.

And I'm not even really making money. And I think that's when my business brain tuned in and I said, hey, like, how can I create a sustainable future for my kid? I want him to be like in a good environment. So I started working a lot harder and partying slightly less maybe. And then, but yeah, I mean, I suggest that to everyone. I try to help out all my friends too and give them ideas to of ways they can create extra income. Because, yeah, our music genre doesn't really make money. Right.

Do you feel like it's getting, has it gotten smaller throughout your time being involved with it? Like, from your perspective, is the scene growing or dying? To be honest, I think it's just like everything else. It goes through waves, you know? And I think right now, I think we might be at a low, low point. But I think that, like, when you look at the current world climate, like pandemic, like crazy political issues, all of this. This is usually about the time that like rock and roll and punk rock in general starts

coming right back up. So it's kind of just like, are you able to withstand the waves and continue on and succeed? Or are you going to be crushed by this below and the pandemic's going to ruin your band and you're not going to be able to go back to touring? It's kind of crazy because now I feel like there's so little guitar-based music on the radio that like for me as a kid, You know, I'm listening to all these like alternative and rock bands when I'm like 13. And then that leads me to being like, okay, well, Blink 182 is cool, but I want to find out about all these other punk bands. And I want to find, you know, Metallica is cool.

I want to find out about all these harder metal bands. So all of a sudden I'm learning about black metal and death metal and hardcore and grindcore. It almost feels like on a mainstream level, there's not necessarily like a good entry point. Like I feel like the scene is kind of set for that in the sense that you could imagine. imagine like a rock band coming out and being like huge massive stars but it sometimes it feels like and especially with you know rap has gotten ridiculously huge dance music was fucking huge for a while it feels like sometimes like the the guitar-based stuff like it just there's no entry point you're right it's tough but i think for me personally the coolest thing that i've noticed

especially the past couple years is the influence of rock and rap and the influence of rap and rock. Okay. And I think that, like, I like both genres. I like rap equally as much as I love metal and hardcore. But I think that's the coolest thing for me is seeing the genres kind of like blend a little more than they used to because before it was a taboo thing, it was like one or the other.

But now it's kind of like, hey, we can, you know, exchange, like, styles, like, whether it's, like, clothes, like, styles within the music. it kind of always starting to blend, which I like more, because I was always a big fan of Limp Biscuit and new metal and stuff like that. And like, why shouldn't that be big? Yeah, isn't that weird to think about because, like, Limp Biscuit were so dope to me when I was 13. But then by the time I, like, really started to learn about punk and hardcore and stuff, I all of a sudden couldn't rationalize being a proud corn and Limb Biscuit fan. And then I remember, like, years later when I started to realize, like, oh, there's guys who are my age that are not ashamed of their Lombiscuit fan. Libisket fandom, maybe, you know, because I feel like once you're a fan of something,

you have no business ever acting like you're an elitist that can't be a fan of that thing. Even if it was your goofy-ass 13-year-old self that likes something, you still like that. Like, you can say, I don't really like it the same way I used to, but you need to pay respect to that era in your life of that part of your personality that appreciated that music at that moment. Because even if you are a couple years removed and you're like, oh, I don't know why I like that shit, by the time you're like 10 years removed, you're. you're going to be able to look at that shit and be like, you know what, that was dope, you know.

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, sometimes we all have to admit that we like Chumba Wamba and Tub Thumper at one point, you know, sucks to say, but whatever. That's true, yeah. No, yeah, but that's fucking interesting too because I just feel like there were so many more shared cultural moments back then where, like, you know, everybody knows that fucking Chumbabwamba song, whether you wanted to or not. And that's just a much harder thing to pull off these days because you can have a super popular, you know, punk like, oi adjacent song like that that doesn't carry through to the mainstream at all. Although, I mean, I don't know, like the internet is constantly trying to find new and interesting things. So maybe it would have been sort of elevated to a different level, I guess.

Yeah. I don't know. Hey, are you excited to be a dad soon? I am excited to be a dad soon. How old are your kids? I'm interviewing you now. Mike, I have two boys. They're nine and four.

Okay. Sick. How are they? They're hell raisers? They're awesome. Well, one is, the older one's a sweet boy. The younger one's a hellraiser. Really?

So I think the younger one is going to become me. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, having a girl, I'm kind of like just wondering to what extent I'm going to, you know, because I have so many things in my head that I'm going to do with my kids. Like, but they're all things that like my dad did with me. And so it's kind of interesting. I'm trying to like, I actually said to my girl this morning, I'm like,

you think our kid is going to like Barbie? because I just don't know if that's still like a thing with a lot of little girls. Dude, you never know. Like, there are girls that are into baseball and basketball and there are boys that are into Barbies and want to wear pink. Like, I think the best thing about being a parent is just being like open-minded and supportive of whatever your kid likes. And I think that's where like our generation comes into play.

And like setting a better standard for the future generation is instead of being like, yo, you can't play with the Barbie, you're a boy. You know, being like, hey, you want to play with the fucking Barbie? Like, go off, bro. Whatever? Your kids paint their nails? The boys? They don't.

But my younger son, that's like me, he used to love temporary tattoos. And every time I was like, where do you want to put it? Like, thinking, you know, oh, my arm. The face. Face. Face, neck, hands. So one time me and his mom decked him out and temporary tattoos, like we gave a them hand tats, neck tats, base tat, and we sent them off to preschool and probably freaked out

on the other kids and the parents. You don't get in trouble at preschool for that? I feel like that... No. Why would you get in trouble, right? They just know us because we're the wild ones. Like, we, you know, we're wild. We roll up in the G-wagons and drop the kids off and fuck it, who cares?

Like, we're cool. We donate to the school. Do you feel like the other parents look at you like you're a fucking weirdo? Because that's one thing I think about, too, is like, I know I'm going to start to have parents, like parent friends. Like my kid is friends with some kid. So then I'm friends with his parents. But meanwhile, like, I live this fucking weird-ass life.

And they're like the most stock people on earth. And I'm just sort of interested how that's going to play out. Yeah. Be prepared to interact with a lot of normies way more than you ever have before. I think that basically at first you get the weird look from the parent. But like the glue is that when your kids are friends, like when your daughter's friends with their daughter or whatnot. Now they're homies.

Anybody else just hear a train horn or something or no, a bell? It sounded like the W.W.E. Bell or like UFC. That was so weird. What was that? I don't know. I think it might have, was that from Yuri's fucking stream? It probably was. Why can we log out of his?

What a dummy. Okay. Let's go fighting on. Yeah, we should definitely fight Yuri later. No, I'm just saying like you'll like when I walk into the preschool and I'm fully tattooed head to toe and probably wearing some questionable clothes about Satan or something. Right. I don't know. You'll get like weird looks at first, but then, you know, once your kids are all playing at the playground and they're all doing their own thing and you're hanging out with the parents, you actually become good friends and you know, they'll invite you to parties. Like I go to like normie parent parties all the time with

the kids where you know, that's that's a fun part about being a parent. They're like, Because everyone's kind of the same deep down in. They're like, yeah, like I'm so stressed from like the kids and blah, blah, blah. Like, let's just meet up and eat a bunch of food and get drunk. Right. You're like, cool. It must feel weird to be friends with somebody on the basis of something so real. Like, oh, you don't have anything to gain from me.

Like, you're not like into the same music or like thing that I'm into. You're just like the only thing we haven't. Like, I'm not going to be able to help you out with your job at their doctor's office. You know, it's like most, like such a huge percentage of people I meet. act weird to me because I am potentially beneficial to them and I'm not oblivious to it. Exactly. I think if anything, that's refreshing because your parent friends are all going to be like doctors, dentists, whatever. So nothing to gain from you. If anything, they just think it's like rad that you do what you do and it's like a topic of conversation, but like you said,

with nothing for them to gain. So they're not going to try to clout chase. They're in their own lane. So I think that's probably another really cool part about being a parent, honestly. Yeah, that is dope. Yeah, I wonder to what extent, because, I mean, you're in Florida. There's a lot of fucking weird-ass people in Florida. I'm in, like, the hills of Hollywood. I wonder, like... So let me just tell you first about Florida.

There are a lot of weird people in Florida. That is facts. But there's also a lot of the most ordinary people you ever met, too, right? I live in Richville. Right. I live in a bubble. Like, there's no weird rednecks, no one naked with alligators holding up the gas station. Joe Exotics.

Don't live in your area? No, they can't afford it. Like, those do exist. Trust me, I could drive one hour away and see some ratchet shit. But in my area, it's basically the hills. Like, you know, same shit, just Florida. I don't know anyone who lives in my area or like, I wonder if there's any rappers who live in my area. I did see a Mac Miller video filmed, like, very near my house.

And that kind of weirded me out. I'm like, oh, shit, there might be rappers who live around here because apparently What part do you live in? No comment. You can't say someone's going to find you. Can you say a general area? Just, you know, the valley. Okay.

I guess. Cool. I don't really know anything else surrounding my house anyway, so I would do a horrible job explaining. I don't know either. Whatever. Okay, but so, yeah, like, you know, Dan's usually have, like, a shelf life,

and, like, you guys have held on for an unusually long time period. Like, what keeps you motivated to keep going with it? the biggest way I explain my band to anyone and the reason we've been around so long is like we're a drug dealer with a specific type of drug that everyone's addicted to but we're the only drug dealer that carries that drug

because there's no other bands like Attila like fun mosh bands yeah like no one is going to sing about the shit I sing about and and be like fun party heavy mosh rap metal all combined because I've seen bands try it and I'm supportive like if people want to try it but every band that tries it that's not attila they get made fun of they get like roasted and they can't handle the heat and push through

that boundary to become big and then they just break up right so it's the reason we've been around so long is because essentially my band is a cult right and we're the only band that can provide that fix for our fans so and we've cultivated a fan base worldwide like some of our biggest markets are Russia, Germany. The biggest show we played that we headline was in South Africa. Like, we're, worldwide. Like, U.S. is great for us, but it's not even our biggest market. U.S. is just like, whatever. Wow. So it's cool. Like, we've been around so long because we've cultivated this, like, family, essentially of fans that they know that we love them and they love us and they support us and we've got their back.

I'm so fascinated by that because the way it typically works in rap music is that you come out, you make a splash and then your star continues to like fall from there. It's very much like a huge spike and then it's like a slow trickle off over time. And the ones who can blow up and get bigger or blow up and stay that big are very, very rare. Whereas in hardcore metal, a lot of times it's like the bands that come out and kill it and and then consistently tour and kill it for 10 years. They'll be really big after the 10 years, but maybe it's like a very slow grind

to sort of get to that level in a way. Oh, of course. Like, I think the slow grind leads to a way longer career versus the burn and then crash. Right. Because even in my career with Attila, I've personally witnessed bands start, like, from scratch, blow up, get bigger than my band,

and then a year or two later, they're done, they're crash. And it's like, what would you rather, like, do the route that my band did where we slowly got bigger. But you guys fucking came out with a huge splash, too, don't you think? Like, that that was like a, like, it started kind of big and then managed to continue to grow from there? Well, like, because you guys were like viral back then. Maybe to the public eye, because when we were doing the about that life and stuff, like, I think that's when most people found out about us. So they might think we started then. But like, dude, we were, we've been around for 16 years.

out, you know, so like the first six years were really slow and stagnant. I mean, we were growing bigger every year, but, you know, that era popped us off and then we just kind of kept going, but it's been a very slow, steady incline for us versus the bands that blow the fuck up overnight and crash and they're gone. And I would rather just have the slow incline, but I think that's part of just, there's trends always within music, you know, and if you follow that trend, you might luck out and get that like pop off single and, you know, you're the hottest thing for the fucking month or the season. But if you just stay true to yourself, you're more likely to build like that cult fan base and have a longer career. And that's always what I wanted.

And you know, it's weird too because hardcore metal live is really good. When it's good, it's really fucking good. Rap music live, I've said this a lot of times. Nobody's ever really giving me shit for it. But rap music live, I mean, some of the greatest rappers of all time are dreadful live. I mean, they put on a backing track and they come out and they walk back and forth. And it's just incredibly boring. And like the worst metal band you ever seen who is popular is still probably pretty tight on stage. And the crowd goes fucking insane. And it's just like a very different experience.

Very different. And I mean, yeah, like say what you want. But when it comes down to it, most rappers, not all, most rappers will just play the back. tracks and it's kind of like a hype man scenario and I'm sure it's still like most of the fans are happy they're seeing their favorite person it's hype whatever but with the music we play like we're physically playing every single note like I have to like belt out those nasty ass screams and do all the shit I do for real like you know so there's no faking it like we have to practice really hard and we have to perfect our craft and you know I pride myself

and our live show very much. Like I would, we've even had people that don't like my band because of whatever reason or they've heard our songs, but they see us live and they love us because we create this experience and we have this energy where it doesn't matter who the fuck you are. You could be the grandma in the back row. You're going to jump up and down. Like you're going to crowd surf. I don't give a fuck.

Stage dive up here. Give me your fucking baby. I'm going to crowd surf your baby. I don't care. You really crowd surf babies? Yeah. how old like seven

seven years old yeah chuck him in the crowd ain't no baby I'm picturing like a six month old baby you're just sort of like gently placing your town you'd have to have so much faith in your in your mosh pit for that to work yeah I respect that yeah it is like because like the thing is too is that like when a band over time just gets tighter and tighter

and better on stage and you can feel it like you kind of have to be like very clueless to not be able to tell that they're tight on stage whereas like you know bands early on. It's like very difficult to get to that point. Yeah. Have you guys gone through a shitload of member changes over the years? Are you like the only consistent one or? We have had member changes but not really a shitload like from like the way I explain it to people is from day one like 16 years ago on the only original. But we've been the lineup we've been like the core lineup of me Chris Link, Kaelin Blem, the bass player and guitarist. We've

been that lineup for shit probably 10 years or more like Chris forever like Kaelin probably 10 years so we've been the core members for forever so I don't even like think about it like that no more got you I was asking one of my uh friends who's a little deeper in the the metal world and his main question I was like you got any questions I should ask him he was just like ask him how the fuck he had so much money back in the day because he just said that he was never able to really make sense of, I guess, the production quality of the videos and how you just seemed to be bawling in the early days of the band and stuff. And he made it very clear.

He said, do not let him slide around the question. I want to know how he had money before the band actually came to exist or whatnot. So the real answer is I didn't have money ever. Like I grew up in like a poor, regular, like middle class family, never had anything. when we started the band, I didn't even have a bank account or like a penny in my wallet, nothing. But like I think what he's probably referring to is like the About That Life video when we're flexing hard. Like we're in a mansion.

We got dope cars. Bitches everywhere. Throwing money. The real answer is no, we didn't have any money. It's just fake it till you make it. Like same exact shit rappers do. Like flex real hard. look real big, rent your chains instead of buy them, like, you know, whatever.

And then flex and then people like think of you as someone bigger than you really are. And I mean, honestly, it's just a genius marketing tactic. But no, I didn't fucking have money back in the day. I was poor as shit. Right. But you managed to do pretty well for yourself with the band and the clothing stuff and everything. So you consider yourself very comfortable now financially, which is probably not necessarily a level that a lot of people in your world get to.

Yeah, I'm very comfortable. And somehow during the pandemic, I've made more money than I've ever made. And it's kind of sad because I see my fellow people in the hardcore metal world complaining about money and they don't know what to do. And I'm out here, like thriving. But like I said, it's because I've always diversified myself. So I mean, I'm doing really well. Like I started my clothing companies. Stay Sick in 2011. And this is like another big story I always tell people because I think a lot of people try to follow my blueprint and they want to do what I did because they see, oh, Franz is rich. Franz makes a lot of money. But what they don't realize is when I started stay sick clothing, the first two years, I ate shit. Like I didn't make anything, but I was passionate about the clothes I made.

So I stayed persistent. And then sure enough, after two years of struggling, boom, it popped off. Now I'm making money and it's just grown bigger every year since then. And, you know, like you literally just, it doesn't matter what you do. Even if you're not even involved in music, create multiple sources of income. Figure out what you're passionate about because that's what you're more likely to succeed at. Wake up an hour early every day, an hour earlier than normal.

Suck it up. Do whatever you need to do. Focus on that passion. Create an extra passive source of income. save your money invest it like anyone can do what i did because i'm not like uh there's no like hidden things about me like i grew up poor regular and i created everything i've created on my own so no yeah it makes sense because like you know i have a lot of people who you know are in the early stages of starting like you know a youtube channel or a podcast or whatever and they'll kind

to, you know, ask me, like, you know, I'm putting all this work, but it's not really, like, nothing's really taken off or whatever. And my reaction to it is kind of, that's, like, where you're at right now, this is the whole thing. Like, toiling in obscurity is the whole thing. Like, you need to be very down to just do the content that you believe in for two, three, four, five years. If you really want to build something. And also, and I probably wouldn't say this to somebody, but there's also a good chance that it's just not you, that like, this maybe you're not the person maybe you know talking to a random person maybe you're not meant to have a successful day and maybe you're not meant to have a successful youtube channel but

you need to be like not only grinding out the content but also keeping your mind aware enough to think when this is not working what is working you know i did the bmx thing for 10 years and you know made enough money to live off of it but realistically was just not really like saving money at any point because i was just blowing through everything that i had just trying to grow or whatever then i start doing rapper interviews and that's when it really started to take off but I had to like grind out all that BMX content while also keeping my mind open enough to realize that I had to like you know keep an eye open for other things that might work you know of course and I'm sure like even when you started doing the rap interviews it probably wasn't huge at first you

probably had a low amount of subscribers there wasn't that many people watching oh yeah persistence is key because most people they just physically can't do like what to three years of not succeeding. They just give up right away. And losing money. It's very hard for people, but it's, I mean, that's the reality. I've lost so much money pursuing my dreams. Like, I forget how many years ago this was, six years ago.

I thought that I was going to create this revolutionary social media app. And I dumped like 30 or 40 grand into this app. And at one point, we had a large amount of users, which I could have like sold it, like it was doing well. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, like, poof. gone like no one cared and it was just like cool that was a 30 or 40,000 dollar learning mistake for for me but I learned from it I grew from it but with anything you start you have to be persistent like you you have to keep going like no one's YouTube channel is going to blow up in a year no one

you've got to do it for many years no one's band is going to blow up after a year you have to do it for many years your clothing company you want to start it's not going to get big right it might in three years but are you going to be the person that can stick with it for three years or are you the type of person that after three or four months or even a year you're like oh fuck this like i'm not making money i'm working too hard like the people that succeed are the people that push through it because if you do something long enough and you're actually passionate about it and you're not faking it for money you will succeed and what they don't tell you is that once you're successful it's actually harder oh yeah more

more money more problems dude yeah i like miss being poor we wrote we wrote a song about that on the on the new Attila album, it's called Broke and Happy. And I'm just talking about how like back in the day when I didn't have a bank account or money, life was more fun because you, like, I didn't have to pay taxes. I didn't make fucking money. Like, I didn't have to do anything. I didn't have to worry about all the hundreds of things I have to worry about now, like adult shit.

Yeah. And so like once you actually make it somewhere, then you have something that is at risk. You have to like, you know, you have a standard that people are holding you to. And you have like, you know, the dynamic where you have your old fans that you want to keep happy and you want to appeal to a new audience. And like eventually your audience can come become kind of like segmented up into stuff where you feel like you can't win or lose because you can make content that one chunk of your audience is going to love and another chunk of your audience is going to hate. And at this point, no jump, right, I feel like is that big. That even our biggest Ws come with a big chunk of the audience that is going to be like, no, fuck that.

I don't like that. I wish it was still this, you know? Of course. but I think honestly like the 50-50 hate to love ratio is really what causes the most buzz like the last album Attila released got way more love

than I expected and it like low key bum me out because I wish there was more hate because the hate is what fuels like even more people to listen to it so I don't know it's it's weird but that's the fucking world but you guys have a weird transitional

element to the band where when you You guys came out, it was very much the era of offensive shit sells, like put some offensive shit on a shirt and kids are going to love that, like, you know, say some fucking dirty shit in a song, they're going to go crazy for it. Now it feels like everybody in the fucking, well, you tell me if I'm wrong or not, but it feels like a huge percentage of people in the hardcore metal world have gone full activist and are constantly looking for something to get offended by, offended by something, not to say that there's never legitimate stuff to get offended by, but it's like, it's, it's like, it's

just feels like a very different climate for the type of stuff that you guys do. You're absolutely right. It's very much true. And that's what makes it difficult for a band like Attila because we're not bad people. Like, we're good people. We're pushing for the same causes that everyone else is pushing for right now. Our music is just fun. Like, we're being real.

Like, we don't have to, if I turned fucking Attila into an activist band, no one would fuck with it. It would be so strange. Like, there's got to be at least one band, like, having fun and fucking shit up, like, and that's my band. Like, someone's got to do it. It must be kind of hard to, like, stick with it at a certain point, though, because I'm sure

you feel like the pressure, like, do you have people getting offended by certain lyrics still and, like, kind of pressure on you to say something about it? Or have you just very much accepted your niche? I've accepted the niche, but also it is stressful just being in this genre, but I think our

plan. I haven't like publicly announced this ever, but I think our plan is just to fully transition into like a fucking rap group and kind of just disassociate because um our guitarist is now a rap producer and he's been working with Lil Yadi. He's been working with Rob Banks, um, Ksachi, like a lot of people and he's been building a lot of connects and all these people fuck with Atilla. They love the music we're making. So now it's just kind of like, you know, and I'm doing a lot of rap stuff as well in collaborating with these artists. So it's just like, I've been involved in the rap world. Now my guitarist is a rap producer.

Like, fuck it. Like, let's just transition into that. Like, it won't be rap like as the world sees it. It's basically just going to be rap with like heavy metal, you know? And maybe if we can like just kind of push away from all the stigmas and the negativity that is in like the hardcore metal scene right now, We can kind of branch out and be ourselves even more, stay true even more, but maybe just be in a space where we're accepted more, where people aren't going to, like, tarnish us because we don't want to have like every single song about activism. We want to have a song, you know, that's fun. And it's crazy too because it's like the rappers are so not held to that standard.

Like rappers can talk about doing drugs, fucking girls, et cetera, beating somebody's ass, shooting somebody's house up. That's the most fucked-up shit. Nobody cares. And it's a fucking top 20 hit. It's on the radio. Wet-ass pussy. Like, raunchy shit. Like, it's fucking globally accepted.

But I sing about the same exact shit over heavy metal music. And I'm the villain. I'm the worst person in the world. Fuck me. It's like, bro. Like, I'm having fun. Like, come on. I'm trying to imagine if you had a song where the chorus was you saying that I'm going to pull up to your house and shoot you and how that would go over.

Like, how it would be. viewed and how differently it would be viewed whereas like lilyotti who presumably has never pulled up to somebody's house and shot them he could just have a bar where he says i'm going to your house and shoot you and it's like everybody takes it knows that it's all good it's funny it's just having fun yeah right before a breakdown i'ma pull up to your house to shoot you that does sound hard yeah i'm into that were you ever unbroken wings fan yeah that was uh because i used to hang out with them that's my boy john blake is the shit yes that uh i used to like your fucking teeth out. Right, because you guys

kind of seem like a more exaggerated version of what they were doing at a certain point. Because like I went on this one tour. Johnny cupcakes. Oh, right. Yes. Johnny Cupcakes was the first person I ever seen with a fucking sidekick in like 2003. I was on tour Barrier Dead and On Broken Wings and he had the side kick.

I love Barrier Dead too. Yes, it was a great era. Very Massachusetts fucking hardcore area. Because the singer of Bear Your Dead at the time worked at a friendlies and motherfuckers who were into hardcore used go to the friendlies and take photos with him just because they thought it was funny that he worked at the friendlies. So that's hilarious.

Yeah, that was very much like a, you know, sort of like beginner era, I feel like of like, like, you know, mosh friendly, like sort of humor infused hardcore and metal. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So how did you start selling that D? Selling that D. Yeah.

We're talking about porn. Only fans. Yeah. How do you get into that? Because I feel like being in a band and sort of like carelessly giving away your dick to like hundreds of different girls a year probably help prepare you for that. Well, to be 100% honest, it literally just made perfect sense. Rock stars, fuck porn stars.

That's what we do. Like if I'm fucking porn stars and Playboy models on the rag, shit, I might as well become a part of the community and start doing. porn myself and making some money myself because I'm not scared of showing my dick and like, you know, I've got a good dick. Like, might as well do it. So it kind of just made sense. But the bigger reason was I started going to Avien two years ago. My roommate who works for my clothing company and my record label, he also works for Sex Panther, which is like a porn company. And he, two years ago, before I even started doing porn, he was like, hey, like, does Attila want to host, like, the official after-party for Avian in the penthouse, like Floyd Mayweather's penthouse?

And we were all like, duh, fuck yeah. Like, we get to party and hang out with porn stars. Fuck yeah, let's do it. And we went. And then I think I realized at that moment, I was like, damn, these porn girls are like, way cooler than a lot of these like shady band dudes I meet like they're they're real they're just like you know and and even like other girls like they're just very straightforward like hey like do you want to fuck like hey can I suck your dick I was like whoa this is cool like I like this porn world but now I feel

like it's like hey like I'll suck your dick but can you film it for my only fans like that's like a normal fucking conversation when you hook up with a porn star I feel like at this point like if I was still single and still just like meeting random porn stars on Twitter. Twitter, I would just kind of be expecting them to be like, I can just put this on my only fans, right? Like, nobody's going to know it's your dick, so who cares, right? Well, they're going to know it's my dick, because my dick's tattooed. Yeah. Oh, the whole dick. Not the whole dick, but like down the shaft, I have a pretty large tattoo.

So I can't be a stunt dick. Yeah, I have the whole pub area, so I was never really going to be able to get away with it anyway. Yeah. But, no, it just made sense because the first year I went to Avian, I just really loved the community. Like, I loved all the porn girls and the porn guys and just, like, the vibe was really good. So I started, like, making friends with a lot of people in the industry. And then, um, I've been doing only fans and doing porn for pretty much a year now, like a little under a year. And it just

made sense to me. I was just like, I love this. I know a lot of porn stars. Like, let's just run it. Let's do it. And I started it. And I was just like, wow, this is really, really, you know, fun and really lucrative and it's it's great like I get to make connections with so many people like no matter what city I'm in or where I'm at like I've got three or four shoots booked like even one like right after this interview like it's cool you know like I I fucking love it it's it it feels like something I'm just as passionate about as music basically like I'm not being fake to do porn I'm just being myself. Like, I'm a sex addict. I love to fuck all the time. And I'm not shy about my dick or how I fuck. So I might as well film it and show everyone. So no, I feel like I kind of feel like

I turned to corner yesterday because me and my girl were filming some only fan stuff for this new thing that we have coming out and we had this girl. And my girl was like, eat her ass on camera. And we had like a real film crew and shit. And so me and my girl are eating the girl's ass on camera together and I'm just thinking like yo I never ate ass or pussy on camera ever before in my life and now I'm just like yeah of course I'm gonna do it because now I've kind of like accepted in my head like okay I am a real porn star I got to do all the porn star stuff and you know yeah I feel the same way where it's like people want to act like you're like compromising party yourself because we're both in the same position where we both have money from other things so it's like sometimes

people would be like oh like the other thing you're doing must be falling off because you're doing this porn thing exactly the reality is, is that the thing I'm doing is just fine. It's just that that OnlyFans money, trust me, it's stupid. It's not like other money. It's huge. It comes, it falls from the sky like you're on fucking the price is right. Like, it just blankets you.

I haven't even really, like, got into it fully. But the bag is stupid. Like, it's not like a regular ass bag that you have to work really hard at. You know, it's, and for me personally, like, I don't, I have no qualms about it. I like doing it. It's fun, you know? I would have fucking bang these. girls with my girl that anyway you exactly i have no qualms about it at all i love fucking i love

making cool videos coming up with cool themes like it's perfect i love only fans it does really well like why wouldn't i do it but you're right the biggest thing is people coming at me all the fucking time saying oh you're doing only fans because like like everything else isn't doing good bitch everything's doing good the biggest complaint i get is people being like stop posting with porn stars focus on music bro focus on music and i'm like dog i wrote a full wrote and recorded a full attila album during quarantine and i wrote a wrote and recorded a full bone crew album for my side project during quarantine and i've done numerous guest features on rappers um like other people's stuff i've made more music in 2020 than i've made in my life and people have the audacity to say make some

fucking music, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, bitch, I've made more music and I'm doing porn now. So fuck off. It's quarantine. I can't tour. I physically can't tour legally. Yeah. Like, fuck off. I like porn. I'm passionate about it. If you don't want to watch it, don't click the link. People tend to overestimate how much time doing porn really takes, too, because a lot of times, like, me and my girl will have a set, a shoot booked with some girl, and it takes longer for my girl because you've got to do her makeup and stuff. But it will literally be me sitting on the couch, smoking a blunt, watching TV, and then I like walk into the room, get a boner. It takes like 20 minutes, 30 minutes, and then that's it. And that's, that's the

whole thing. I just had to be home to like work for like, you know, maybe I'm home for an hour or two to just do that content. And it's like, I sometimes I'll do two or three interviews and then I go do that. And it's so, it's so nothing and so almost guaranteed to make much more money than the three interviews I did. It reminds me, though, of like, this is important, though. Like, you're doing no jump or not because of the money, but because you actually feel like it's important, you know? Of course. And it's the same for me. Like, I do music because that's my passion. I'm never going to give up music or stop doing it. Do I make more money from doing porn on only fans? Fuck yeah, I do. Like, my only fans is popping. People want to see me fuck porn stars, like the rock star porn star

combo. It's sick. But I'm not going to stop making music. I'm still going to write music. I'm still going to tour as soon as the world lets me. So, like, sometimes I just want to scream, like, hop off my fucking nuts. Hop off my fucking nuts, bro. That sounds like an itlla chorus, though. Hop off my fucking nuts. I could see that. But, yo, so does it make, like, dating kind of weird or, like, talking to girls

normally kind of weird? Because sometimes when, like, I'm in a relationship, but if I wasn't, sometimes it just feels like, it feels weird to think that I spent so much of my life. like trying to pursue women and to try to like, you know, basically convince them to have sex with me. And now it's like, it's nothing. It's like, oh, this is clearly beneficial to both of us. We do it. We film it. And then the dynamic is just so different. You two have a good dynamic. But no, I totally agree. Like, well, first of all, I'm single. Hi, ladies. No, I'm single. But, like, if I am talking to someone and I'm interested, my big thing is just full honesty and transparency,

because I think like a character that's failed me in my past is just not necessarily like always lying, but just maybe hiding stuff that I should have been more upfront about. But I'll tell people, I'll be like, yeah, like this is what I do. Like I do porn. I have an only fan. And I'll tell them the amount I make. I'll be like, I make a ton of money. Like I don't think this is like a forever thing.

But for the time being right now, I'm having a lot of fun doing it. And it's setting me up for an even. more prosperous future. So I think that the real ones will recognize and be like, oh, cool. And you know, if people don't accept that, that's fine. But also at the same time, I don't even think I've met a girl that doesn't have only fans themselves. So it's kind of like, how can you judge me? Because like there's so many normal girls that don't, but I agree that like 90% of the girls that I mean pretty much have one. And the ones who don't are constantly being asked when are you going to get an only fan. And some of them, it's like,

very, very annoying, like, that they just don't want to be perceived that way, which is totally fine. But it's like, it's a constant question, I feel like. But I just also, I wonder this question, but like, how the fuck would I ever meet a normal girl? Because I'm, like, I have face tattoos. I look fucking crazy. Like, what normal girl at fucking Trader Joe's or whatever is going to pop up to me and be like,

hey, like, they're looking at me, like, get that dude the fuck away. Yeah, you or I are like magnets for the only fans type. Exactly. You know? Exactly. They could kind of just smell it on us. Like, oh, he looks like a dirt bag. Yeah.

They want the fully tattooed, like, felon-looking dudes to come fuck him for their only fans. I've been thinking, like, I just need to, like, fully just get ripped because that's the main thing that separate me from, like, a Johnny Sins, besides the fact that he's apparently extremely good at his job is that, like, he's in sick shape. Like, he looks like a fucking bodybuilder. A lot of these black dudes, they look like fucking linebackers. They're in such good shape. I feel like that's the part of it.

equation that I'm not holding down. And so every time I'm staring down a bowl of chips right now, I'm kind of thinking, like, this is one step away from like the six-pack version of yourself that would probably be a much hotter commodity on OnlyFans. I actually completely agree because I'm, I'm kind of like a lanky dude. Like I've just got like an overall lanky build, but all my weight goes to like my stomach. So I've got like a little dad bod type shit going on. but it hasn't affected anything. No one's been like, hey, like, I don't want to fuck you because, like, you got a little bit of a dad bod. They're kind of just like, hey, that means you're probably like, I don't know, nice.

Like, you don't have to do this. Like, the guys are in sick shape because that's all they do is porn. It makes sense. If you don't have to be in good shape, it's almost kind of a flex. You know, yeah, that's real. You know, but ADN's like next time they do it, which is definitely not going to be this year, but probably next year, hopefully. It is going to be really interesting because. now all of a sudden there's going to be so many more girls who are doing

only fan stuff who have never shot for a real porn company and so many dudes who are kind of in the game now too who again have never shot for a real porn company it's like the clientele and I mean I went to avian once and then I went once again and did not go to the award show or the convention and just played poker like a fucking degenerate but I just think that's going to be like the porn world like people are not I don't think people are paying attention to how much this shit is changing. Yep. Because like, dude, like, I remember having a conversation even like a couple of years ago about like I would never, ever do porn. And now it's like, I don't even think twice about it. Like, it just doesn't

even seem that crazy. Of course. I agree. And the world is, is changing because, you know, you've got these mainstream people in mainstream porn. And that's like what they've gotten put into and what they've been doing like long before OnlyFans and now OnlyFans. comes out and all the sudden, you've got creators on OnlyFans making 10 times as much as these mainstream porn stars. And it's weird because when the mainstream porn stars, I find, like, get into OnlyFans, some of them do do really well. And like, of course, not discrediting, but sometimes people are like, well, why would I pay to subscribe? I can just watch for free on Pornhub or X videos. So it's weird. It's, you know, I came in at a good time because I've never done

mainstream porn and I don't think I ever would because I think my biggest thing is creating that mystery and that allure because I'm not famous for porn. Like that's not why I'm famous. Like, I'm famous for music and being in a band. So my goal is to keep my dick completely hidden from the internet unless you join my only fans. And I think that that curiosity is what helps my only fans personally. And I, I like to keep that curiosity. It's crazy that we didn't realize how valuable our dicks were prior to this. You know, like, I never would have thought that that many people would want to pay money to see my penis involved. Obviously, it's mostly about the girl, but I mean, it's just very interesting, like, that that was something that never really occurred to us before.

And I even, you know, some of the male porn stars that I've researched who kind of had a little bit of like a mainstream celebrity thing. It's just, I feel like they were perceived very differently, even. five, ten years ago than the way that dudes who do this shit now are. I feel like the world is ready for like mainstream male porn stars to just be the guys who are out there doing that. I don't know.

I agree. It's time. It's time, baby. The porn takeover. Subscribe to my only fans. Are you seeing a lot of smaller bands who are like those guys in the bands who are like doing it as well? No, dude.

Really? Honestly, I haven't seen it. As far as like my genre goes like hardcore metal, I haven't seen a single person join only fans. And I think honestly, like we talked about how my genre is very like, you know, positivity and this and that, like activism. I think that a lot of my genre like probably hates me now because I do only fans.

But the reality is, is like, I'm doing what I love. Like I'm not doing it for like a money grab. I'm doing it because I like it. And it's fun. And especially now, I started it way before. pandemic, but now it's pandemic. I can't fucking tour and play a concert. I'd rather be on stage, like,

jumping in a crowd and fucking shit up, but hey, now I'm just slaying pussy and doing that instead. Like, cool. Like, but I think I've, I don't know, I've probably lost respect from peers in the metal or whatever, but I just, I literally just do not give a fuck, dude.

They're on the wrong side of history and they're going to figure it out sooner or later. I don't give a fuck, man. I feel like it's like in bad taste to judge a woman, for doing porn at this point. Like, it's almost like, you know, if you were to, like, go on social media and say, like, oh, so-and-so is just a whore, she's just a slut because she's doing porn or whatever. It will go over badly.

And it's only a matter of time before guys are sort of judged by the same standard, I think. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. All I know is, like, dudes like you and I were definitely, like, the minority because there's not a lot of, like, only fans, dudes, you know? It's just going to keep getting worse and worse, though. We'll look at this conversation in a year or two, and we'll be. like man remember when we had that conversation because yeah all these motherfuckers are gonna figure it but but maybe i'm overest man because maybe people really either have you know

micro penises or they can't stay hard i mean like i i you don't have only fans because you got a small dick boy right no i i take it for granted that it's so easy for me to do that kind of stuff like for me to fuck a girl on camera is just like nothing and also people don't realize that it's like you know typical only fans clip is what 10 15 minutes it's like if you can't stay hard for 10 to 15 minutes i don't know what the hell you got going on. You get to see a doctor or something, man. Go to the doctor. Yeah, because I would always hear about like real porn star dudes who couldn't get hard on set, but I feel like that's probably a more grueling thing where they have to get hard over and over, like, switching scenes. And their set are like 12 hours long. Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know. Anyway.

We're on the porn road now, baby. I love it. I love it. Yeah, me too. Can't hate on it at all. So anything else we need to know about that you have coming up? Obviously, you're, shit is kind of frozen up because of COVID. Yeah, so I think the biggest thing I would like to let my fans know is that I have been heavily focused on music. Like I mentioned earlier, Attila has a brand new full-length album, fully recorded, ready to go. It's a banger. It's awesome.

Do you not want to drop it till you can tour it? We've been talking about when we should drop it. And I think just like, I just don't, like, you know how when you drop on Spotify or Apple music, there's the year that the album released. I just don't fucking want 20-20. I just don't like that year. So I think what we're going to aim for is like an early spring release. And I know like touring's probably not going to happen until another year or so from now. But I think we're looking at like a spring release. And then my side project, Bone Crew, for those of you who don't know, that is a rap. Like it's me and a rapper, basically, over.

like the heaviest shit ever. It's like if black tongue, that like slam metal band meet met like a fucking like Drake. Like so it's like top 40s rap with like the heaviest shit ever. And we released an EP a little over a year ago and it went over really well. And you put a different rapper on each song? No, it's me and this, my homie who goes by Du Boi J. and he's basically like one of the sickest rappers I know he's he's underground he's not super well known but I know one day he will be because he's just the shit I met him at warp tour he was like

he's like bro I had this girlfriend and like she was into all this heavy shit and I fucking love it too so now I'm coming to warp tour and I was like bet we became best friends he like he's just very like motivated very creative and then after we were friends a year or so went by and I was like bro, I have like a vision for a project that's like very equally split between like rap, like top 40s rap, like trap beats, cool shit and then just like the heaviest metal ever. We did the project. I didn't even announce that I was releasing it. I dropped it. A day later, we were being spun on XM radio every single day. Like Jose Mangan from XM like liquid metal loves bone crew. So he's so he's already ready to spin the new album. The new album's been done for a minute. I'm planning to drop that October 30th,

but that is like literally like top 40s rap, but with like random breakdowns and shit. It's very, it's kind of almost like ADD, but you'll, you won't skip through a song. It's very like boom, boom, boom, like heavy rap, heavy rap, wild, like very energetic. So I'm, I'm excited about that. So that's, I mean, that in itself, like I've written and recorded, like, I've written and recorded, like what, 24 songs or so, and then not including all the features I've done this year and whatnot. Right. If you could pick any rapper to hear over like metal type beats, who would you want to hear? Just just see what they did to it.

I'd like to hear a thug on that. Huh? I'd like to hear a thug on some heavy breakdowns. I just want to know what the fuck you would bring to the table. Young thug is one of my favorite rappers of all time. I met him at Emo Night here in L.A. Like a year and a half ago, he's the shit. M.G.K.

bringing the community together right there. Yeah. I love MGK. I hope I can link with him while I'm out here. He actually has been one of like the coolest people to me in like the rap world as far as like just always being a homie. He hates me. He hates you.

Oh fuck. I don't know why. Probably because of the Eminem thing. He came up to me. I'm rolling loud with a lot of aggression. No, it's cool. Okay. I'm just like, I'm very amused by it.

He's probably less amused by it since he attempted to smack a microphone out of my hand. God damn. No, like I, I would say like, fuck if I had to pick a rapper. Dude, I would, I would just like to hear, like, Drake on a Bone Crew song because the rapper that's in the project with me, Du Boi J., he kind of low-key sounds like Drake. Really? So I would like to just hear Drake, like, ripping a verse and then just, like, it goes into a breakdown because it would just mind fuck the world.

It's totally different. I would like to even just ask Drake, like, are there any, hardcore or metal bands or punk bands or anything that you've ever heard in your life that you're interesting because we Drake seems like a massive music fan but you only really hear him talk about more of the rap R&B soul side of things dude if Drake dropped a verse on a heavy metal track how fucking cool would that be it would change the game it would change the game and it would just everyone in the metal world that doesn't really listen to Drake would be like clout bet we love him you know what in a weird way a lot of the like Brooklyn drill and like UK drill

and stuff like that. Like, sonically, it's not so dissimilar. Like, I could kind of see it, like, intertwining with guitar-type stuff more so. Like, I just could almost see it working more. I mean, that's the whole thing. Like, the worlds are mending. Like, rap songs are having guitar in it.

It's only a matter of time. It's only a matter of time. I've always felt that way. But it just seems like, you know, because I've always felt like, yo, like death metal sounds so crazy. I would love to just, like, take a couple of, of great death metal signs and just give those to a producer and just say like, yo, make beats out of these.

I would like to see what your beats made out of these would sound like. I just feel like there's so much possibility for it because it's such a unique sound for people playing guitar that fast and heavy, you know? Of course. I don't know how the fuck it would actually work out. I'm not a producer, but it seems like there's got to be something there. Anything can work. I brought you some presents.

Is it a case of Trulies? Well, the Case of Trulies is here. By the way, have you tried the Lemonades? I have never had a truly. I've had many white claws over the past few months. You've never had a truly. So truly is incredible. I'm going to give you the best. My friends tell me like my employees, I'll drink them all the time. Love truly. I'm going to give you the best flavor first. Okay. This is okay. So truly has more variety than white claw by far. But my favorite are these lemonade. So this actually has less sugar, less carbs than the white claws. But bro, this strawberry lemonade, that's just going to fuck you up, bro. I'm ready, man. Yeah. It's so good.

I had the Coors light white claw version the other day. Have you seen this? Cors is in the game. Cors has like white claw. It tastes almost exactly like a white claw. Dude, everyone's getting in the game because this is going to take over. How fires that? Ooh, that is nice.

You want to know X games mode? You fucking take a sip out of that and you put a tequila shot in it. Oh, that's X games mode for sure. Yeah, I'll be jumping off the building. That's fire. Love truly. but that wasn't the gift. This is actually for me.

You just stole mine. No, my bad. I'm just kidding. You're good. I'll buy you another one. No, I just did a new drop from my clothing line, so I wanted to give you a couple things. Hell yeah. Got a sick-ass dad hat.

Nice. It's like Sorbert, Sherbert, however you pronounce it. Sherbert. Sorbet. Sorbet. Sorbet, like a little bit of tie-dye. And then this shirt is a hentai nun. Oh, wow.

She's like, you know. I like it, man. She's tied up, but she's a nun and she's hot. Wow. I'm fucking with her head. I wanted to get more stuff, but a lot of my shit's been selling out because I just dropped a new line. And then this is my favorite one right now. Racist lives don't matter.

Racist lives don't matter with the Klansman hanging. Fuck them. Is that the front of the back? That's the back. The front's the pocket print. Right. Wow, that's pretty badass. I'm definitely down with that.

Yeah, this one's fine. fire, so. That's good. Fuck racist. Fuck the clan, man. For real. How does that even exist? Like, how are they going to call ICP and juggalo's a gang? And, like, try to outlaw that, but there's still... The clan's not a gang? No, like, the KKK is allowed to run free. I didn't know that they weren't considered a gang. They seem like kind of like the ultimate gang. Yeah. For real. All right. Well, yeah, I appreciate you, man. Thank you so much, especially for the truly, but the merch as well, yeah.

Appreciate it, dude. I like to give gifts. Franzella, man. Appreciate the interview. Everybody go check out. Ritilla, all that shit. Drake Collab coming soon. Love you. Appreciate you, man. Bye. Bye.

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