No Jumper - The GWAR Interview

Episode Date: November 12, 2019

Sawborg Destructo (left) and The Beserker Blothar (right) from legendary group GWAR, came to pay a visit to Adam for a hilarious conversation and discuss the origin of the group, longevity in music, Pump, 6ix9nine, MC Serch and MC Hammer beef, and so much more! --- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcasts in the world. And needless to say, I'm here with Gwar. Hey, how are you doing? How are you guys doing? You're here. We're here. I can honestly say that this is a podcast that I never once suspected would happen. Yeah, me either. Yeah. Where are we good? I don't know. Los Angeles. This is the No Jumper podcast. We primarily interview rappers and stuff. So really, actually, there's only a handful of rock bands that have ever even been on here. I had my buddies in this hardcore band incendiary. I had white trash rob from Blood for Blood. Not sure if you're familiar. No, not at all. Okay. That's good. No respect for the art form. Yeah, that's all right. But yeah,

not a lot of rock bands have come on here. So props to you guys for breaking down doors. Oh, yeah. We're always eager to get in where we haven't been. Yeah. Do you guys have much expertise in hip-hop? You know much about it? I like it. I listen to hip-hop. Yeah, sure. I don't know about expertise. You know, I, uh, I know what I like. I mean, uh, and, uh, I try to stay current. Mostly I just chase down cars that are playing loud music, you know. Let me ask you a question, though.

Little, little pump. Yeah, you like him. I don't understand little pump. What is up with that? Um, I guess you could kind of summarize him as, you know, a teenage boy who wraps and spent- About like one thing, right? Well, primarily, like, drugs, I guess, and maybe getting pussy and, and, you know,

And, you know, it was really not so different from probably what you guys. It seems very repetitive. I don't understand it. Yeah, I mean, he's young. That's great. Can I tell you guys about my first time getting in tune with Guar? Oh, please do. 1998, Worcester Palladium.

Oh, hell yeah. Scared shitless. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking about. Man, like, really, when I think about my first time seeing Guar, it really takes me back to how scary metals seemed to me as a young inn. Well, yeah, you were about to die. I'm surprised you escaped. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's part of the power of Guars that we create very primal scenes in a live situation that hopefully it does make people turn around and look at themselves, look at each other and think, you know, what are we doing here? Bathing in the blood of innocence. And cramping their pants at the same time. Yeah, there was defecation, there was blood, there was giant penises. It was really quite a time of my life because I had just seen Cradle of Filth a little bit earlier, like the year before. And that was impressive and fucking scared the shit out of me. Just the shrieking and the white face painting and their hands are moving so fast.

It freaked me the fuck out. And then I saw you guys and I was just kind of like, they're aliens. That's right. Right. That's what we are. Yeah. We're not from Earth. We're visiting, I guess.

Right. Illegal aliens. Oh, really? Okay. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. We don't have papers. As long as we're talking about things.

Only rolling papers. You guys are not ready for it in any sense at all. They probably never thought we were going to talk about. You see that all these bands are pulling out of working with Amazon because Amazon provides technology to ice. Really? I didn't know that. I didn't know anything about this.

That's amazing. Yeah. Cudos to Amazon. Well, I mean, Amazon are the ones supporting the deportation efforts. Wait a minute. I thought you meant ICE the drug. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You guys into that?

Ice, yeah. We do anything. Literally anything. Any drug you name we will do. We sample the smorgasbordish boards you humans make every day. It's amazing. Wow, that's amazing. Jankham.

Jankham's a favorite. Jacob is a favorite. My friend has actually an amazing video of this guy, Justin Wang. He made this great video about the origins of Jankham and did people ever really huff Jankham and where did this actually happen in the world? And he kind of concluded that, yes, there have been people on Earth who did this, who shit and piss in bags or whatever. and just left it to ferment and then inhaled it to get fucked up.

Have you really done Jekyllum? What was that like? No, no. I don't think we've ever really done, Jacob. Come on, I tell you what I have. I've smoked banana peels. I used to cut up ping pong balls and inhale them, that kind of thing. Inhale ping pong balls.

You ever hit a light bulb? Didn't eat a light bulb. I shoved one up my but, you know, that was a mistake. When I think about the 90s, kind of what the 90s was all about. Shuffing light bulb. Just shoving random crap up there. You know how much jackass?

And it's like he's got a hot wheel car and his butt hole. Yeah. I know. This was a fluorescent light bulb. You know, it was kind of long. What was it? Like an eat me side?

What was it? Really, really caused me a lot of pain. Right. Yeah, he shoves cars up his butt. Big deal. I shove actual dump trucks up my butt. Right. One thing that goes kind of underrated with you guys is the fact that you do carry quite a

a musk with you into a room. Oh, yeah. These, these uh what do you get turned on it's cool it's the smell of war it kind of reminded me of like a high school locker room when i walked out here yeah it smells like that sort of yeah foot and butt how would you uh describe it since this is obviously your actual body your actual skin your eyes are watering so that should tell you yeah no that's like push my friend yeah no that is he's not high it's actually the the steak people talk about you know the smell of of gua it's a real thing right the backstage area is

We like to assault all senses. Yeah, it's ripe. So do you guys have sex with human females? Anything. Yeah. I mean, they're a little fragile, you know, that easily breakable. I mean, I actually prefer cows. Bovine.

I was thinking that. I was going to say, bovine, you're a taste. I was thinking that that seems like it might be more of a match. Yeah, it is. Cows. Sturdy. Sturdy frame. Yeah.

Do you ever watch Game of Thrones and look at that army, the dead and think like I would have been able to really fit in with them. I watch it and think wow, I wish the army of dead were on here more often because this is boring fuck me, let's talk about it, some more. I know, isn't that crazy? You watch like 10 episodes of the show and

you only really care about the violence and the death and the debauchery. They're doing all this emotional shit. Show me more giants. I want to see what the giants are doing. The giants were the best part. Yeah, winter was coming way, way too long in that show. Just a bunch of crap. So let's talk about the early days of Guar.

How did this all begin? Mm. It's like a constant decision for you guys if you want to say. I feel like you guys are tempted to get out of character right now. What do you mean to get out of character? I don't understand this. What are you talking about? I feel like you guys want to just have a real deal conversation and tell me about your lives and shit.

And then you're like, nah, I got to talk about the spaceship shit. Right, right, right. Well, I mean, you know, the Guar story is that we were banished here to the planet Earth. We were tasked with taking over the planet. But once we got here, we discovered that we liked the drugs. We liked the alcohol. We liked, you know, and our manager, Sleazy P. Martini, who found us down in Antarctica, he looked at us and he said, you are the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

I think that you would make excellent professional wrestlers and rock musicians. So, you know, we learned how to play rock music, sort of. And learned how to wrestle, sort of. And, you know, the next thing we know, we were sitting on top of the world. But wrestling would have been nice, too. I feel like nowadays people can do both, right? Yeah, well, we do the, you know, we have a wrestling show that we've done several times. We've wrestled all kinds of creatures.

And politicians and celebrities as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, that's an interesting part of us. There's a nice segue, though. That story you're asking about is actually in that graphic novel that's sitting in front of you. That's true. We have right here available in finer comic book establishments in Barnes & Noble, I would assume, or online, probably definitely. Gwar, the Enormogantic Fail.

And so how many comic books do you guys have out? Is this a new thing? I think we're in like the 15-16 range at this point. Oh, okay. That's dope. This one's a new accounting of actually what he just truncated. It's actually the blunder that got them banished to Earth in the first place. Wow, really.

So it's kind of an origin story. Yeah, that's correct. Nice. That's dope. We're always telling an origin story, it seems like. I heard awful rumors that you guys are actually from Virginia. Well, you know, there's our human slaves. Yeah, their slaves are from Virginia.

The human slaves of Guar met in Richmond, Virginia. And there's an art school there. and none of them actually went to the art school. I think if I'm correct, they all got thrown out or they started and then they were promptly kicked out. Wow, art school. So you guys probably, if this had happened like 30 years later, you guys probably would have been like Antifa. You guys would have been running around beating up people in the streets and shit. I don't know about that.

Totally. I mean, you know, we had that option back then too. But no, I mean, you know, the humans, they tapped into the sort of. hardcore punk scene, which was going on at the time. And, you know, in the early days of Guar, when we were coming across the country, in our yellow school bus shaped, bat-shaped helicopter, was actually a yellow school bus. You know, we played all the punk rock, all of the venues that were carved out by

black flag circle jerks, the dead Kennedys, that whole circuit. And that was the beginning of Guar. Gore started as a punk rock band. When I think of Gore, I think of you guys sort of transcending a lot of, you know, musical boundaries in the sense that you don't necessarily stay in like a straight thrash or punk or, you know, some of these songs I'm listening to, this sounds like a fucking, straight up Iron Maiden fucking influence song. You know, it's like, I feel like you guys, maybe through the fact that you are aliens and you have been sent here to destroy mankind or whatever that you feel a certain freedom that other bands haven't felt to bounce around between genres? I think that's absolutely true. Yes, we don't, I mean, you know, for one thing, we're not bound to the ridiculous. I mean, you think, you think Guar has an image, right?

I mean, these bands have an image. They have an orthodoxy. Right. You know, there's something that they're doing again and again and again. And they're playing inside of a genre. To some degree, the most successful bands are the ones who most accurately reflect the genre that they're in. Guar's never been that way We have the freedom to

You know we're not trying to be cool We're not bound by cool War is not fucking cool Not by anybody's standards We are unfucking cool Just look at us Look at me I've got four dicks

And a sideways vagina That's not cool I mean in some certain way When this idea became conceptualized There had to have been a degree of marketing expertise Some sort of brilliance No.

Yeah, I don't know about it. I mean, Sleazy P. Martini, the manager for Guar, you know, I mean, certainly he thought that we were going to be the next big thing. And that's what we keep saying. We're going to be the next big thing. We've been the next big thing for 37 years. 37. I don't know.

How long? Something like it in the ballpark. So when I saw Gore in 98, it wasn't exactly a new idea at that point. The grind had been cemented already. Yeah, it had been aged by that point. Yeah. By that time, we were the next big thing. Right.

But that's kind of the reality. For like the third time. There are very, very few rock bands that seem like they've got it made. You know, like everybody still has to tour like crazy. It's a straight up fucking war no matter what. I mean, guess if you're Metallica or Slayer, maybe you got a little bit more money in the banging shit and it's nice. But, I mean, even the big, like war is a huge well-known band that damn near everybody in our demographic knows about. But it's never going to be something where you can just sit back and just coast by off the fucking royalties.

It's a goddamn grind. I mean, it's goddamn grind. It is. You know, and I mean, I'm not complaining, you know, but I'll complain, sure. Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody has to tour. Everybody has to go out. Nobody's buying records anymore. You know, I mean, back in the day, yeah, yeah.

Back in the day, we figured we imagined that we would sell, you know, videos. But then that didn't exactly work out either. Or are no videos or what kind? Well, you know, I mean, at the time MTV was going. We thought, you know, MTV doesn't exist anymore. You know, we were making long-form videos, which were really movies. I mean, we made two Guar movies. Both of them are completely indecipherable.

You can't tell what the fuck they're about. Is that so? But they're funny. They're really funny. They're really funny. Yeah. That's awesome. Is there any extent to, do you ever think about what it would be like to be a band of just guys who wear jeans and t-shirts and go on stage and just basically are wearing what they're going.

Yeah, it probably would be. I mean, of course, you know, there's a lot less preparation time. Hell, yeah. But, I mean, yeah, that's just fucking boring. I mean, when we started, when we started that was boring and it's boring now. It hasn't gotten any less boring. Right. And as a matter of fact, heavy metal, now that everything's made with computers, including heavy metal,

has just gotten more and more atavistic, self-serving, sloc. It's just crap. Right. You know, I mean, you know, the more inward-looking musicians are, the more contemptible they are, in my view. Really? That's interesting. There's such a priority put on, like, exploring yourself and becoming deeper and deeper and exploring new terrain as you get deeper in the music business. And you guys basically just think that that's stupid. Yeah, we live on the surface.

Yeah. If I explore myself, I get really scared. I don't want to explore. Or roused, maybe. Right. No, that's definitely true. I've got a lot of secrets. Let's just say I'm not going to.

going to be doing LSD anytime soon. You don't want all that shit coming up to the surface? No, no. Do you recall a time back in the day where you guys met up with Joan Rivers? Because I was watching this last night. And wow, what a time that must have been. I think you weren't yourself, dude. I wasn't myself, but I was there in another form.

Right. And yeah, Joan Rivers. I mean, she was, I remember I had been watching the Tonight Show, and I thought she was like, you know, six feet tall or something. but she was three and a half feet tall which was very weird before she performed they had a woman come out that looked just like her who did a warm up routine

the whole thing was really weird I mean it was all filmed that like I think we had to wake up at 4.30 in the morning and go down there and you know I mean yeah it was fun though I mean she was a very very funny lady and she was very good to Guar

she appreciated what we were doing She actually diss Sally Jesse Raphael on that episode, which I thought was amazing. Yeah, yeah. Like, why did you just decide that this was the moment to take the gloves off? I was like, wow. You've probably already done that on Sally. Yeah. Yeah.

My favorite moment was when Oderas said, give her a hand. Yeah. And then he actually gave her a severed hand. Wow. You know, it's crazy to think about how different that era of sort of like daytime talk show shit was. because I mean back in the day you had what was Gigi Allen on fucking Jerry Springer or something yeah they would have different Nazis coming on all the time just so that the audience would have something to boo at it was just a straight up free show I like

it a lot I actually missed that yeah and I think we were on on Joan with like she was doing a series that week where she had other bands that were that were you know like she I think I know she had Dred Zeppelin on oh yeah and she might have even had I CP on in little stride. How do you feel about ICP? You know what? Clowns versus aliens could get complicated, you know. I'll tell you what, the way I feel about ICP, I think that, you know, there's, it's a little bit problematic, the music, from a cultural standpoint. But as far as, you know, what I really like is that they support

the morbidly obese. They're the only show that I can go to and buy a t-shirt in my size, which is 9x. Or really, if you were looking for a female sex partner, I'm sure that you can find a lot of morbidly obese sex partners at an average ICP show. No offense to the morbidly obese or ICP, I'm sure that they would embrace that. I mean, you know, the way that those guys build themselves up,

you talk about marketing genius, pretty slick. Right. They function like a cult. Yeah. And... Or a gang. Yeah, yeah. I sense that there was a time,

and that's what the FBI said, I believe. Yeah. But I get the sense that maybe... in your younger days of Guar that you would have looked at ICP and thought this shit is stupid as fuck, but now you kind of, time goes by,

you sort of look at it more objectively? Yeah, I mean, I've always been a little suspicious of white dudes doing hip hop, honestly. But, um... Understandably. But, uh, you know, I mean,

I, I'm not saying that, that I condemn it. Uh, I don't. I think that there's a long tradition of, uh, and that music is,

is actually, the racing of music is actually, much more complicated than people understand. Right. But as far as ICP goes, yeah, I mean, I just, I do like the following that they have and the way that they built themselves up and what they try to do for people. Even though they come off as complete dipships, you know what? Nobody does know how magnets work.

Surprise, surprise. Everybody's laughing. Who fucking knows? Nobody knows. I don't know. Scientists don't literally do not know how magnets work. were. Is that true? That is correct. Look it up. The guy's right.

Let me ask you this. When I first saw war in 98, I'm pretty sure that there was would have been George Bush being sort of assaulted on stage. It was 98. George Bush was in office? I hope I'm not fucking this up. Let's see. George Bush. It was Clinton, right? At that point.

98 was Clinton. Yeah. Yeah. We were definitely slapping Clinton around still. Right. Yeah. Okay. So we slapped every president. I mean, we dug up Reagan and killed him again. But see, that's what. I wanted to know is was it a little too contentious to

to beat up Obama? No. Did that feel different? No. Absolutely not. Yeah. I mean Clinton, you know, the guy, he fucked a chick with a cigar in the Oval Office. That's some weird shit. That's worthy of applause right there. I think he gave her like an ashtray or something like, here, thanks.

Here's an ashtray. Imagine he had done some normal shit and just got head or something and got the cigar. Like, what are he doing? Yeah, yeah. And then he's freaky. And then he just came all over her dress. And like, Jeez. Show himself control, man. I know.

I know. But Obama, yeah, no, I mean, Obama gets into... You remember how upset people were because Obama wore a tan suit? Right. I mean, boy, the bar has really loved it hasn't. Totally. He's wearing a tan suit. That's unpresidential.

I mean, yesterday, Trump called fellow Republicans human scum. Yeah. That sounds like something that in the late 90s, you would probably only really hear in the context of, like, a heavy metal concert. Yeah. Guar song called Stum or something. And even then, that would seem a little bit offensive. Right. I mean, you know, Trump comes out every night.

And at this point, we're trying to get him to join Guar. Because he seems like Guar. You know, he's unkillable. Theatrical. Yeah, theatrical. He sucks my dick every night, by the way. On stage, yes. Gives him head.

Presidential head. That's cool. Hail to the chief. People get fucking upset. Let me tell you. Especially the bounces. Yeah, like that's too far. The bouncer.

The bouncer are standing in the drum supporters. Yeah. The commander chief giving head. Yeah, they always turn around. You'll see them. They give this disgusted look like, simplify, motherfucker. But you never had any serious pushback

from like the conservative community in regards to that. I'm sure you guys used to get more shit back in the day and not so much now. Yeah, and it's a confusing landscape. You know, back in the day, it was, you know, Al Gore's wife, Tipper Gore that was causing problems

for rock bands. And Gore was, we were censored. I mean, we were absolutely. center. We did a show in North Carolina that was interrupted by the police. We did a show in Athens, Georgia that was interrupted by police. And was this all because of

simulated sex acts? Yeah, basically. Athens was because we actually put a spear up a cop's butt in the show. Yeah. Which we do in the show tonight, by the way. But yeah, I mean, and then the police, the chief of police was there and saw it

and he didn't like it and he shut the show down. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. The show that was in North Carolina, though, that's a story worth telling. I mean, we're sitting there playing. The back of the club opens up. You can see that

a line of policemen come in. I think they anticipated there was going to be some trouble. Right. So you had the uniform cops come in. And then on stage, you know, I look over and there's this guy that looks like Barney Miller going, hey, hey, hey, come here, come here. And we're like, fuck you, man. Get off the stage. You know, and then they open

their sports coat and they've got fucking pistols. So they take in the dressing room, they have an odorous erungus, God rest his soul, take off all of his clothes except for his big giant fucking dick, and then they take a picture of it. Then they put on

rubber gloves, pick the dick up as if it's a disgusting object, and place it in a five-gallon bucket and carry it away. What the fuck. So the dick was arrested too. It was ridiculous. Take it into custody. That's evidence. That's evidence right there. And that's actually the subject of our first

movie is Phallus and Wonderland. And it's about the struggle of that dick to find odorous. Right. But, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, and nothing came out of that suit. Unfortunately, the human slave of odorous was Canadian. Yeah. So we copped a plea, which, you know, Jellobeaffers never let me forget that. Let me tell you.

Really? He's somebody you found as a friend, right? Yeah, you should have found it. He's a longtime friend of the band? Yes, absolutely. That's cool. That's good to know. You guys got some connections out there.

You know what I always found really interesting was it, felt like tipper gore and the whole establishment at the time. They just really, really wanted to go after, you know, NWA and Eminem and all this offensive rap music, but they couldn't just go at music coming from the urban community. So they had to go after cannibal corpse and they had to throw gore in the mix. They had to find some white people to be mad about too, because if it was all Ice Cube taking the shit, then it wouldn't have looked right. So meanwhile, so you have NWA who's like ruling the charts.

Yeah. And then you have Guar and Cannibal. Corpse who, popular for their genre, but relatively small in comparison, and they're making it out as if cannibal corpse is this fucking... They did take people like Judas Priest and all these other people

to task as well, but... We're covering many decades worth of metal right there, yeah. But yeah, it was kind of ridiculous that they centered in on NWA and all that, because I mean, they were definitely a voice at the time, and that was amazing. I loved everything they did. And in fact, we loved it so much, we kind of

ripped off parts of their songs. right oh is that true i gotta look out yeah the song salamanizers has a you know here's a little song from a god to a slave never should have been let out the fucking microwave right that kind of thing but i mean we were playing it every day yeah yeah but you know i mean and there seemed to be i think that you're right to point out a racial aspect to that right because it always was miraculous to me that we're doing what we do and they're going after two live crew it's like you know what are we Chop liver. We're over here fucking, you know, like raping children on stage. What's going on? Why aren't you going after us? Right. It's because I think they perceive us as white monsters.

I don't know. Right. It's different. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy to think about it. So when you guys went on Joan Rivers, though, she seemed to be enjoying you guys. She liked it. She did. Yeah. Did you have many of those appearances in which they tried to approach you from maybe more of a self-serious perspective where they were like angry with you about. what you're putting out in the world? Ah, I can't recall one. For the most part, people... They get it. Yeah, people get it, and people understand Guar. And I think that they recognize its satirical value.

Certainly Joan Rivers did, and we were a little bit surprised at that. Her handlers had given her some questions that were a little adversarial. But she accepted our explanations and just, moved on from it very quickly. And for the most part, I mean, I don't remember. Springer didn't challenge, you know. He got it. Yeah, I think maybe the, and, and,

Oterist was on Fox News Red Eye for a long time. He was a guest on there. Intergalactic commentator. Yeah. I mean, you guys kind of resemble, like, a lot of the pundits on Fox News, to be totally honest, kind of like giving off, like a Sean Hannity type vibe in a lot of ways. Well, I mean, you know.

Should I be offended? I mean, Guar is like, I think, in. some ways it's a it's a it's an empty vessel for people you know that i think i i'm constantly surprised uh uh at at people who who are staunch conservatives that are like yeah guar you guys really support all the things that we stand for and i'm like really uh but that's the weird thing of how much you the idea of like free speech has sort of become this like weirdly right wing talking point right no it has that appeals to a lot of people now but i mean you know punk rock has always had a sort of populist slant where people can make it mean what they want you know

I mean like populism it's not really a political stance you know like punk rock you know you've got screwdriver they're punk rock kind of right and then you've got the dead kennedys you know I mean there's a wide sort of philosophical gap between those two but anybody who's ever tried to be like oh punk rock is this political viewpoint is clearly missing out yeah they're not getting what punk rock is And I think that, you know, there's enough about what we do that leaves people room to, they just grafted their own politics onto what we do. Right. You know, I tell you one thing that there is no, you asked about Obama. We did kill Obama.

We killed him unflinchingly. Yes. And we killed Bernie. Right. We killed Hillary. We killed everybody. AOC coming soon? Not yet.

You know, that hasn't even. Ilhan Omar. I can imagine some of the. this is getting real controversial. Well, the thing about it is that it wasn't controversial. The fans didn't take exception until we started killing Trump. Yep. You know?

So it's like, you know, liberals are supposed to be so thin-skinned. That's not what I'm seeing. Right. I'm seeing a lot of little bitches with their panties in a wide because we're fucking killing their big stupid-looking president. Right. And not only that, but he's getting me, I'm fucking skull-fucking him every night. Right.

Jeez, it's great. You should see the cum shot. Yeah, the cum shot's beautiful. I've been taking a volumizer. I bought off the internet. And so there's visual disgust in the crowd when Trump gets defiled every night. Completely.

Yeah. There's, there's, shaking their head. Some states, it's an audible grove. Oh, you can't do that. But they love it when we kill him. Killing him is fine. Skull fucking him is not.

Imagine. The blow job's too far. How hypocritical you would look if you had left Obama out. Or if you fucking. tailored your act to what state you're like an untenable solution that is not gonna fucking work. So you got to stay true regardless of

the fact people might get a finger. Yeah, you gotta kill the man whatever color he is. I mean, yeah. It's gospel right there. Right. Gwar has always had you know, the politics of chaos. I mean, that's, we're on the side of chaos. Right. And that is neither

conservative nor liberal. Gore is not concerned with these sorts of binaries. Right. you know, we do what we, what we like to do. We know that it's objectionable. I'll tell you one thing, the world has gotten to be such a shitty, fucking insane place that, like, you know, like, it's almost like, well, who doesn't cut head off on heads off on television? Right. It's hard to keep up with humans. Yeah.

I was reading somebody who was, like, playing, it was somebody who was on SNL, I think, playing, you know, a Republican or playing Trump or some shit like that. And they were saying, it's like, it's very hard to make these jokes now. Because the shit that's going on in real life, it's like it's hard to be a character of that. Because what's going on in the White House is so absurd. It's absolutely true. We tried to create scenarios that we're like, we thought we were ridiculous that Trump would never do.

And then within a week of the tour, he actually did what we're doing on stage. And we're just like, you know, it's reality. It's just nuts now. Right. This show has been particularly predictive of like, you know, as we've toured the country and things have steadily unfolded, It's a, um,

how do you keep up with them? Yeah. It gets more and more, uh, uh, prescient. I don't know. Like it's just like seems like it's, uh, you know, Guar's foretelling the future or something. Right. Can we talk about the changes that have gone on? You lost your leader, Otorist at some point a couple of years ago.

Uh, how he was kind of the mouthpiece for the most part of the band, was he the original brains behind the whole operation? And how has it been to transition? away from that. Well, he was one of the many brains that have been part of Guar. Okay. Yeah. He was a very pivotal point of it. Right.

And he was definitely the spear, tip of the spear for sure. It's been tough. As Blothar stepped in and took over the helm, it's been, it's been very nice. I've, I've been very appreciative of it. Right. Thank you. You're welcome. We have a special bond.

Yes, we have a special bond. You know. Right. I'll see you later in the show. Yeah, but it was. It was devastating, but Guar has always and will always move forward into the future. Right. Yeah.

He still owes me fucking 20 bucks. I know, right? I think I'm not collecting on that in the afterlife. You're crazy. But, you know, I mean, you know, the human slaves of Guar, as I said, you know, coming together in art school, the human slave of odorous, a fellow named Dave Braggie, he had a crazy rock band called Death Piggy. there was another guy who had a studio very near him that had a sort of a movie that he was making

and that's how Guar got started in the in the human world right you know those are the origins of war and you know certainly so Guar has always been more of an ensemble effort than people credit right people want to give credit it to one person because that's how we're used to thinking about that. But that's why Guar was able to keep going. Because it is, there's actually all, people didn't understand what it actually

was. There are actually a lot of individual brains that come together to make. And there is certainly, you know, certainly, the most amazing thing to me about Guar is that a group of artists and musicians are able to work together in this

way to create something. You know, slip knot, you don't know who makes those those outfits right you know kiss who made kiss who made those costumes nobody knows that in guar those people are the human slaves of the band that are in the band so you know they they they are part of us they don't work for us so you guys have always resisted taking on a lot of like outside help it's always like felt like self-contained art is you know is a big part of it I think that it's uh more of an artistic movement because you're cramming all these creative things together in one big pile to create

Guar. So the music and the art both support each other heavily. That makes sense. And it's unusual. I mean, I've looked being a bit of a historian myself. I've looked, I can't find anything that's like it. I don't know. The Boy Scouts, maybe.

When do I get my badge? Does it feel like something that could go on forever? No. It doesn't. I mean, it's not going to get past next Tuesday. It feels like something that will go on as long as the artist that created wanted to go on. I think that's the important personnel that are, you know, and if anything, I think that we've learned that it's difficult to pass this torch, which is one something, another reason that I think it would be not go on forever. Right.

It's very hard to get this mentality, this static, the understanding of what Gore truly is. Right. There's a lot of sacrifice involved. Right. And most people that want to make music and art are looking for a quick fix when it comes to success. And that's not what Gore is. You talked about the difference in this band and the band that's riding around in a tour bus wearing jeans and t-shirts. Right.

Right. You know, this is, it's not a glamour gig, man. It's a commitment to an outlandish amount of effort. That's right. That you have to believe in it. Yes. It's such an extreme extent that you're willing to forego any sort of like rational explanation of the time and effort that it takes to do this. And there's a lot of loyalty in a weird way in a fraught family fucked up fighting, I hate you kind of way loyalty that exists in the band that keeps it together.

And it's something that's I've not been able to replicate. I haven't seen replicated in the world. I think Guar is truly unique in that way. Right. That's so interesting. So Oteris Spirit lives on in the comic book, I'm assuming. Yes, sir. Yeah.

Is that, is it like he's always going to be part of that universe, even if we don't necessarily see him on stage? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Oterus is, you know, I mean, he, like you said, he was the mouthpiece of the man. And he was, you know, his humor style, you know, the things that he brought, you know, I think, It's all still there, but he's not. However, in other forms, right, the comic book and films and things like that that we're making, Oderas is going to be a part of it.

Do you have bright hopes for like how you could maybe take the Guar universe and translate it into other things? Nowadays, we just see every brand name, every sort of band entity, etc. There's like a rush to make a movie about him, to make a documentary about him, to make a series about him, etc. We're in like a slow crawl to do that. Well, I mean, like I said, we've made movies. You know, we've made a couple. Right. We haven't had the big Hollywood, you know, sort of budget to do something like that.

The Netflix documentary is an easy sell to me. Yeah. I feel like that would be, you know, you could tell the story of doing this for so long. There's so many interesting plot lines that have happened within the band. And I'm sure a lot of the fans don't even know about. And we're working on it. Yeah. There's a documentary that's in the works.

you know, I mean, it's difficult to, I don't know, there's a lot to say. There's a lot to the story. Right. There's this story. And then there's the story of the humans that have worked on it for so long. And in a lot of ways, that human story is maybe a little more interesting. Right. And it's almost like there could be a time where you decide, let's lay it all out on the table.

let's let everybody know everything and really break shit open because you know to a certain extent you guys have to hold on to the characters to a certain extent we've managed and i think that and i think that that we we have done this successfully by and large that uh absorbing the characters into our sense of who we are that i don't feel like i'm playing a character i'm not playing a character i'm blowthar right uh there's you better believe that oh was Dave Prokey. Completely. Those were, you know,

so, I mean, in a way, we're already doing that. One of the cool things about Guar, is, I mean, that history of two guys working together and being very passionate, you know, the other guy, techno-destructo, right, was sort of the initial mortal enemy of Guar. And in a lot of ways, those struggles and the things that go on stage, especially in the early days, maybe less so now, but they always reflected what was going on in the band with the personality.

There was an actual fight up on stage. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's always had its bearing to, you know, this is the way we see the world. This is the way we see reality. Right. Yeah, well, so there were fights between you guys on stage because I was reading about how you guys used to

fight fans all the time. It was just like kind of required that you would just go to war with fans who just got up on stage. Nowadays, at like rap shows, You get up on stage, there's a bunch of bodyguards. We're going to tap on the stage. That's pretty much what happens at a Gwar show. Yeah, it's kind of had to change into that.

If it's not us, it's like nine bouncers. Yeah, we get attacked, you know, by fans. We get it, but there are times when we've had to fight the bouncers and that's our lie. Oh, yeah. More than once. That's great. I've seen that. I saw Hate Breed fight some fucking bouncers.

And I was just like, Jesus Christ, these bouncers do not stand a chance. Well, those meatheads, you know, he's getting in the way of the show. You want to disheat breed real quick? Let's do this. No, no, no, no, no, no. I was going to just hate it. I was actually talking about the bouncer. Like, you know, those knuckleheads don't like to get wet.

No. So you have a, I mean, and there's a couple of different kinds, right? You got the bouncer that's wearing the yellow rain slicker, and he's been at, you know, he's a big mussely guy who's been around the block. And then you got the dudes who think they're in the secret service with the little thing in their ears. Those dudes don't like to get their fucking Gucci wet, you know? So those are the ones we have trouble with. Right.

Damn, can you imagine the Guar Gucci collab? I can imagine that happening. Like they did it with Gucci Mane. Like a Guar could be that far away. Gucci cockbag or what would be. But Gucci Gucci. Gucci. I would just like to see you guys genuinely just out there

in some nice little like Gucci warm-up outfits or something like that little polo shirt. That'd be cool, man. That's what I want. Try out something different, you know? I want a pair of hammer pants. That's what I want. Yeah.

They dance around with some hammer pants. Yeah. I want to look like Sinbad. Yeah, there you go. You kind of have a sin bad vibe. Actually, no, you kind of remind me of Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey, all right. That's a big compliment.

What's he on family feud now or what is he doing? Is he still on there? Is that Drew Carey now? I don't know. The worst thing that ever happened to me in my life. They're the same dude. I went to Steve. I was with a girl.

We're at the club. We go back to her house. Start making out. I go to try to undo her pants. She said, no. I'm like, okay. But why? She said Steve Harvey told me that I need to wait like 20.

weeks before I sleep with a guy. I'm like, Steve Harvey told you that? She goes, no, well, I have his book. And she pulls up the book and starts showing me the part where Steve Harvey's telling her that she shouldn't have sex for this ridiculous period of time. I really kind of heard my family. I'm like, Steve Harvey's cock blocking me right now. He doesn't even know it. Via the the book for no reason. So you can be on the best sellers list. You know he's full of shit. Any girl that made him wait 20 weeks is dumped. I can promise you that. 20 weeks. Get the hell out here. What do you think you've got down there that's so special? No, but that's the crazy thing too is that now his daughter the other

day was involved in a hit and run. Wow. Yeah, she got a crazy-ass car in it and just ran apparently. Oh, geez. And she's dating Puffy. She's like 23. She's dating Puffy. He's like 50-something. Well, at least you're going to have good lawyers. Yeah. I figured I would just hit you guys with some facts. Do you still have a problem with Dave Grohl?

Has that been swept under the rug? I don't think there was ever a problem with him. I mean, really. Okay. Yeah, well, well, Oteris did say that he had to take his teeth out so he could suck more corporate cock. Right. And it sucks that Dave's all in good foot. I watched the clip of Dave talking about it on stage and he was so happy. He was. Yeah. And that really pissed me off. I'm like, Dave, you're supposed to play this up. He's supposed to get mad, man. He's a great guy. Yeah. And he

always has been. And we keep talking about Richmond, Virginia. It's very close to Northern Virginia, where actually a lot of the human slaves of war come from that area and so does Dave growl. So, you know, those are the, uh, uh, uh, before he was in Nirvana, he was in a band called Scream, which is a punk band from Washington, D.C., and before that, he was in a band called Dane Bramage, which was basically his high school band from, and we've been, we've been running around with that dude since those times. Oh, okay. So, so all as well on the footh fighter front, it's a kind of a shame that we'd never see like

a foo fires tour with Gwar opening up. That just doesn't sound like it would make sense, but it would be a beautiful thing. We can't open for anybody. Nobody wants to get, yeah, they don't want to get their shit wet, you know, like the fans, you know, they don't want the fans to be wet. And not to mention that Gore is a pretty hard act to follow. Yeah, right, you go up there in your jeans and your t-shirt and it's like, well, it's like going to step down, even if they like those songs more or whatever. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, I think that we do that, that it does work.

It's just that people haven't been willing to give it a chance. Because if the band, if the band has a big enough following and if the people are, the people are into it, you know, they're not disappointed. You know, they know what they're getting. And I think we showed that when we did the warp tour. Yeah. You know, and we're playing in front of Andy's band, you know, the sort of black-eyed brides or whatever they are.

I wish they were called black-eyed brides. Black-eyed brides. Black-veiled by the, I totally understand that you want to disrespect them because I fucking hate that shit. Well, they, you know, I do like that they worked out so much in the parking lot. They were, you know, their bus was just filled with. gym equipment. Oh, that's right. It was the trailer full of gym equipment. Yeah, they were back there on hippity

hops and shit. Wow. Respect to that for doing that, though, because I can only imagine, I've never been on a warp tour with, like, touring, but I, like, had a lot of friends who told me about it, and it sounds like just a brutal... It's like heavy metal summer camp. Yeah, but is that weird for you guys, because you're fairly ancient in comparison

to a lot of the bands? Oh, yeah, well, we just... There's a few other ancients on it. Yeah, yeah, the ancients would part together. And we said, I kept, I did keep thinking the whole time I was out there. I was like wow man if I was 22 years old this would be really fun but I'm not so it sucks but does it really like genuinely suck as being on tour ever genuinely suck because you guys been doing it for so long it's like you got to really just appreciate every part of it at this point

right appreciate every part okay that might be exaggeration really no I mean at work tour was particularly difficult because there wasn't really anywhere to go yeah and the heat was a very oppressive. They're out in the loud parking lot full of a bunch of idiots that look like the chick from New Year's Day. You're playing in the middle of the day and you guys are out here, obviously,

having the types of bodies and natural human flesh that you have all over you or whatever, it's like, that's probably really bad. Was that the hottest? Tell me the hottest show, the most unpleasant show. God, there's too bitty. I mean, we played in Phoenix on the Warp Tour,

and it was something like 115 degrees outside. I really think the Vegas one because we were on the asphalt. Oh, yeah. And it was just baking it. Like, I think on the asphalt, it was like 120 or something. It's surface of the sun. Yeah, man.

I mean, you know, and so we got these ice packs to put up under here. Wow. And those just like, they melted before the first song was over. And then you're just wearing a bunch of water, you know, that's stupid. And then so, I mean, in that, like, what is your mind state on approaching that? Is it like, just like, don't die, don't die, don't die, don't die. Try to just, you have to take the other 23 hours a day to just be like, I'm just going to try to prepare myself with the fact that I have to keep doing this every fucking day.

Pretty much, man. Pretty much. Like in that situation, you know, and the regular shows are not quite, not quite that. Right. It's not the go-go. You're playing in a nightclub. It's one thing because. I mean, we play some hot, sweltering nightclubs, though.

I mean, you know, at least at the Warped Tour was outside. So you did get a little bit of breeze and something like that going, you know, we played some shows. that, you know, especially when the altitude becomes involved. Oh, yeah, Mexico was crazy. Yeah, we played in Mexico. Nobody told me that Mexico City was like way up in the mountains. You just suck and wind immediately.

Yeah. So you hear about, though, about like Denver all the time. But yeah, I wouldn't have thought that about Mexico. I mean, when you're singing and fighting and running around like a crazy person, then altitude hit you, you're just like, you ever feel like you really just didn't deliver on a show because of it was just too much and it just sort of had a shitty show and you felt bad? People get sick.

Yeah. And we do it. I mean, we've done shows with people with, not people, but members of Guar vomiting all over each other. Like literally, you know, as sick as could possibly be. Right. Showbust go on. Yeah. And in those situations, I think sometimes maybe the fans got a little less than.

But with Guar, you're always getting more than you paid for it. Because we're not a bunch of dick staring at our shoes wearing fucking jeans and t-shirt. Right. Have you had to tighten up your lifestyles a bit? I know earlier we were saying that you basically are here on earth just to do drugs and everything. But I'm sure that as you get older, it becomes a little bit tougher to live that lifestyle that made sense when you're 20, right? Yeah. I think you were just saying that the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I may look heavy to you, but I've literally lost 700 pounds. Yeah. When I was a kid, I weighed a thousand pounds. It was very impressive. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. It's a, but yeah, I mean, certainly you have to eat your weedies, just working out. We feel things now, for sure. You know, now we have chiropractors and massage therapists come to the show.

Wow. That's the future, for sure. Gwar actually tried to enter the feminist future by having a woman join the band. It didn't exactly work out. well there was a woman already in the band before that woman showed up oh really a long time and the woman before was actually way better than the woman that showed up later so you replaced her with another woman well we didn't quite replace her because if we replaced her then that woman would have worked out but she was not that good of a replacement oh okay but then you guys are in the awkward position of your guar your aliens but now you're arguing on Facebook about this which is probably not a reality slaves were doing it I don't think any of that was very stupid but it's not a position that Guar probably necessarily sees themselves really that's not where you want to be at if you're right you're right you know if she measured up to the strong female character that we had beforehand then it wouldn't have been a problem

but she was no match for Slemonsderhiving Slimit's driving was the shit from its inception Guar has had a female presence and and only within the past sort of decade or so has that gone away

and so with Volvatron we were trying You know, because the original war woman, Slyminster Hyman, and then, and even before that, there were some that predated her, but they were always there. And Slymister was sort of the best example. I mean, she developed her image in a way that was very, very feminist and very strong and was able to move and dance on stage without, feeling objectified. She owned that.

Yeah, she was very, very formidable. Yeah, and that issue was difficult for Volvatron, the one that we got to replace her. She really, I think, was more interested in singing. Yeah. But, you know, the band, we have singers. We've got me, then we've got some other people in the band that sing. So, I mean, what we needed was somebody who, she didn't have to dance, but she had to at least move. Yeah, move the body, baby.

Come on. broke a rib on stage? What's that? She broke a rib on stage? At the very last show, a drunkenly tip to do a leg drop and then broke her rib somehow. There was a lot of things that when I was like doing my research on Gore the other night, that I was just like, wow, this just sounds so insane. They kicked the girl out because she fucking broke a bone on stage being drunk.

There was other reasons. No, yeah. She broke that bone because she was fucking drunk. Hammered. hammered. But you have to be pretty damn drunk to really compete with what I would, I just assume that Guar has to be pretty understanding about drinking

to some extent, right? Like you've got to get really drunk for Guar to be like, this is too much. You got to be able to do the gig. Come on. You know, you break a rib, you do some dumb crap. Then, you know, you're out. Well, you remember what you said earlier about you know, growing up and things getting a little harder. You know, I mean, like,

drinking doesn't make that any easier. No, not at all. So you've got you've got you know let's just say we don't need more of that trying to keep a sort of sane environment on the class yeah I mean you know this is a band that's had a lot of personal tragedy yeah two members that

that died not counting some other ones who people don't even know about or in the band that have died yeah you know and that that's a powerful loss it's not like we need to take on some people whose identity is based in in getting fucked up all the time. Yeah, I hear that. I don't want to drag anything up to the surface

that might be too much to discuss, but are you guys still having issues with Oteris' human forms father? Was that a real issue? No. He's dead. He's gone. So, problem solved.

But I mean, the stuff that was put out in the media about, there's, you know, stuff about the ashes sounded really crazy. Like, if you guys wanted to convince the world that you're actually psychopath, some of that stuff in the media, It was like, what?

Right. I think they were, I think they were under the misconception that it would be like a garbage bag full of ashes. Like a body's not this small. How did you get rid of that? What I was reading, though, it made it sound like it was almost like a little Coke baggy type situation. Absolutely not. Okay. No, it was done in a respectful way.

They just kind of blew it out of proportion for the own means. Not to mention that they stole the ashes. Yeah. Yeah, we got to the corner. We broke in. Yeah. You know, you know how understanding the police are when you're trying to claim a body, right? Like, yeah, you know, no, we had fucking permission.

Yes. So, yeah. On the face of it, the media is fucking stupid, man. They don't do their research most of the time. It's like, ask some people who were there. Right? Because when you guys said, like, like, there was, I read all these headlines that I immediately figured out weren't true about Guar with the female member and stuff.

like it was like oh guar got a female singer and it's like oh yeah you really want that to be true so you had a good headline that day I mean no I was looking at it the other day it was in one of the big metal mac Guar confirms new female lead singer nobody fucking confirmed they just want it to be true so bad because it's a good headline

yeah I mean sometimes I understand what Trump is saying right I mean like they do make shit up they make shit up you know but I mean you guys aren't terribly sympathetic characters it's like we don't get. So what if we got to hurt a few Guar members' feelings? Right. Right. But, you know, I mean...

But speaking of the ashes, the human slave that was Dave Brockie actually did get his own resting place. We put it in Hollywood Cemetery. What was that? August. Hollywood Cemetery is not so far away. No, no. It's in Richmond, Virginia.

There's a Hollywood in Richmond, Virginia. It's actually a very famous cemetery. It's got a bunch of presidents buried there. actually it's probably most known for its extreme like huge amount of of a mass grave that's underneath a pyramid there's lots of Confederate soldiers buried there really yeah so uh-huhed

erected big pyramids and so you know odorous has his place there now okay well you know what's crazy is that Tupac's former band members of thug life like his former group they smoked his ashes in a blunt I mean they talked about this on DJ Vlad yeah yeah well we should have done that we didn't save enough for all that

we had to split up with dad I mean everybody was getting their cut of the ashes I mean it's great I want to hang around with like MC search just smoke some fucking is that his name MC search is it search Chris MC search the white guy from

yeah yeah yeah that dude yeah the weird guy that got almost killed by hammer or something right yeah I'm speaking DJ Vlad is I just watched him explain that whole story recently yeah yeah I want to to hang out with him and smoke the ashes of Tupac. Right. That'd be cool. That's the kind of rapper that you guys would be

looking to spend some time with. What about like a six-nine or like a... Yeah. No? Jeez. Come on. I'm going to fit in with Guar. You know, I don't understand the rainbow unicorn aspect of that. Yeah, that's the part I've kind of try to wrap my head around. Like little pump him.

All those guys kind of have that look. What's that post-belode? All those dudes. Well, he went with the full face tattoos. That's almost, it's almost hard to be a prerequisite now, like face tattoos, glittery hair. Post Malone was already so big and so famous, and he so clearly did not need to get those

face tattoos to get some kind of attention. With 6-9, it's like a big part of why people are paying attention to him was because he had a giant 6-9 all over his face. Post-Malone doing it was sort of and getting the words always tired, too. It's kind of like, damn, dude, just taking a nap. Is 69 out of jail now? No, but he's snitching his ass off.

He might be able to soon. Is he making records at jail? No. He's getting booty fucked by some big... Over the boat. Yeah, totally, man. He's oranges the new blacking it up in there. I mean, you know, look, we hang out with ice tea.

I mean, you know, that's a guy who's supported Gua for a long time. Yeah, he gets us. And he's, and he's fun. He's a fun guy. Seems like a great guy. Yeah, yeah, he is. And, you know, I mean, but six nine, I mean, it's a weird thing. And like you said, this whole generation of rap where they all seem that.

a little sleepy, right? It's like, I don't know. What the fuck are they talking about? Fair enough. I'm wearing the Chief Keefe's show. He's kind of like the OG king of mumble rap. I'm sure that there's somebody who does it great.

Oh, he's one. Yeah. I mean, you know, certain things where you hear a rapper rapping sounded really leaned out. And it's kind of like, couldn't you at least maybe just do a little bit of an upper or something before you made this song?

Yeah, right. Do a little bump before you come in. I mean, I say that about interviews, too, is it's like, you know, there's nothing fun about interviewing somebody who's a Zan head. You bring me a Cokehead. We can have a blast. The same thing that's the most annoying thing in the world when a Cokehead corners you and you're sober and they're just talking to you and you're just like, Jesus Christ, like I get out of here. On camera, that stuff is the best human theater you could probably ever find. Yeah.

Yeah. Agreed. You guys never hung out with Charlie Sheen? No. No. I would like drink some of that Tiger Blood, though. Yeah. I'd love to hang out with Charlie Sheet.

Slam and 8 gram rocks. That'd be a trip. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because we're slamming those every night too. I think we've been in the neighborhood of Emilio Estevez. Yes. But like, you know, I mean, because we did work with Alex Winter from Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.

Yes, Alex Witter is awesome. Cusack, big war fan. Really? Yeah. Comes to shows. In fact, they tried to develop a theatrical version of Fear and Loathing. Yeah. And that's, I think we were working.

working on doing some production and props for them. Oh, pretty cool. There's a lot of closet gore fans around the world that you guys sort of know about. There's just people who just happen to be like when you find out that somebody's a Harry Potter fanatic. There's just some guy who's just a guar head. Yeah, I mean, we're grateful, you know. I mean, it's an honor for us to have iced tea come and play the barbecue and be a guy that just really digs what we're. we're doing you know it's like i mean there's a lot of guar fans that that that you that it does take me

by surprise uh i come of course i'm blanking on who those might be you know i mean people you don't never you never even think of like you know country guy i Hank williams the third what huge you know uh yeah like i mean when when when when odor is passed he uh sent us a uh a request that he wanted to, he had bought a mask from the slave pit, which is a production company that makes a lot of the guar equipment. And he wanted to put that mask on stage every night and have this sort of homage to odorous. Yeah, so he's a big fan.

Wow, that's so cool. Good guy. How is Guar adapted to the social media age? Not as good as 6'9. We're getting better at it. We're getting better. Right. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, we're trying, you know. We hired a social media manager. Oh, wow. You're a fucking stupid job that is. It sounds so modern, yeah. That's so cool. Yeah.

Social media, man. But it's so. We need managing. We need money to cross the board. It's the most obvious thing of the world that, of course, he's a social media manager. It's just so strange to imagine it. Of course it is.

Yeah. Like you guys are fucking Elizabeth Warren over here or some shit. No, no. Yeah. No. He's a wizard. He's like a little three and a half foot tall wizard. That's our social media manager.

That's cool. Yeah. You ever think about potentially turning him into an alien? I'm sorry having him with a costume, even if he's just like a... I mean, he can turn himself. He's a wizard, right? I don't know. I mean, it is ridiculous that Gwarddine's a social media manager, but we do.

These are the times we live in. Isn't that so sure? And, you know, and it's not like... It's not like, you know, you know how older people are with technology. Right. which button did I push? I could imagine you guys with an iPhone just button masher's, button masher.

Where's the Facebook? Yeah. Yeah, we had a show about that actually. Oh, okay. Social media where Guar actually fought the internet. We didn't understand what the internet was. We thought it was something we could fight. Yeah, we thought we could kill it.

Hey, what is the Guarbecue like exactly? The great old time. Yeah, it was. You know, we're probably going to bring it back at some point in the future, but we've suspended it for a while, but it was, you know, it's something that started out as literally a barbecue

with some rock bands playing and then grew into a festival, which is a rock festival where you have a bunch of metal bands and, you know, and Body Count played one year. And Hate Breeds played it. We had MC Chris on it one time.

Yeah, yeah. And so you have a... MC Chris is actually on the Guar album. Yeah. The big war album, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah, he does. one of the yeah we love Chris wow that's crazy and uh you guys should have been on aquatoon hunger

force oh no right yeah we we wanted to be right on in that would have been an obvious uh an obvious placement well anywhere on cartoon network would be great yeah carl i mean carl might as well be in guar you know yeah do you have that mentality still because i was i was reading something that maybe it was the late nine years or so that you guys really believe that goar was like over at a certain point and then there ended up being a sort of resurgence there was a down period that was followed by you know I mean and Guar

you talk sometimes this this genre fluidity that you're rather than gender fluidity that you're talking about our genre fluidity it's not always to your advantage right you know it can it can make things hard in the

marketing department and I think that Guar got a little away from the metal thing and the the audience dipped for a while, but the band did resurge. And what I see a lot at shows is, and especially since the Warp Tour, there's a lot of young people at Guar shows. Yeah.

Really? That's interesting. Yeah. Way more than you would take. There's a lot of old people there, too. Yeah. But I would say mostly, it's a young crowd, man. Yeah.

It's interesting, though, because in my head right now, I'm imagining a crazy. Netflix documentary or a cartoon or something like that and that because Guar is such an idea that I could totally imagine just a huge surge of popularity coming through just because it was sort of blasted out in the right way. I like the way you think. See? I should be the social media manager. Let's do it all.

You're fine. No, I mean, I think, you know, you mentioned marketing before. It's like, you know, the giant dicks always kind of get us in trouble. trouble with these types of people. The suits of the room are like, can you lose them? And we're like, how? They're detached to us. But like Adam and Eve, they just got a couple of leaves there covering it up.

And that's worked for them since the beginning of time. Yeah, I mean, you know, people, people get upset. You know, Guar's got a lot of warts, man. I mean, like, it's not like, you know, we're not going to be holding the tube of toothpaste. Blothal uses crested, aqua fresh, you know what I mean? But I feel like as the world has changed that like maybe Guar could be more acceptable in those sort of circumstances. I could imagine it.

Yeah, we're waiting for that day, totally. Right. I mean, one thing that we've seen is that Guar is more acceptable in what I would call like the sort of art establishment. Yeah, really? Or the cultural establishment, right? Like, Guar has some fluency there. Right.

And, you know, so we get invited to do museum openings and to, you know, people understand that what we do is art. Right. And that it's unique. so maybe not commercially, but I don't know what you'd call that. Artistically, socially, Guar has turned a corner in that way. Right, yeah, that's so cool. Just to think about that sustained cultural relevance that you guys have managed to have

in such an absurdly long period of time. It's inspiring. Cool, thanks. Yeah. So anything in particular that we've got to look forward to, aside from this adorable comic book that I'm going to read later? Adorable, is that a good word for it? adorable.

Underabla. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, the comic books coming out. It's a graphic novel. We're working on a new record. Yep. Don't be new music next year or the year after that.

Yeah, something like that. Hopefully some, there'll definitely be lots of new March. We'll probably have some skateboard decks. We'll have some underwear. I don't know. What else?

Well, I mean, you know, phone cases. I don't know. Pop sockets. You can spring your phone around. We got Gwark. cannabis coming soon? We got no jumper weed. You guys got every on a strain, right?

We are trying to get a strain, yes, right now. Who does that? Premium flour. Boy, look at that. I know, look, he's got old. Grew that in my back yard. A one pound bag. Sometimes you need to smoke a pound. That's an afternoon right there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's just how it is. That's for later, yeah. So there's no end to which more we'll whore ourselves out commercially, so that's coming up. That's exciting. I mean, we're always working on something. There's a lot of things we're thinking about, a lot of, you know,

trying to get some inroads into television and film. Yes. So we're working on stuff. Well, I'm optimistic for sure. Guar, I can't believe that we made this happen. It's been a real honor, guys. Thank you. And it was a damn good interview.

You get kudos. Yeah. Normally you'd be dead by now. Do we kill you now or what? What are we doing here? I'm just very excited to see all of the Nogamper subscribers who have absolutely no idea, who Guar is and like how their initial reaction is to this because I just don't even know what they're going to think but there's good stuff to uncover their guys oh yeah come check us out

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