No Jumper - The Hell Rell, JR Writer & 40 Cal Interview

Episode Date: September 6, 2021

Hell Rell, JR Writer and 40 Cal take over No Jumper for a highly entertaining interview! They talk about their time with Dipset, Verzuz, groupies stories, new music and more! https://www.instagram.com/therealhell... https://www.instagram.com/jrwriter_/ https://www.instagram.com/its40cal/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today I got some of the realest ones in the business with me. Mm-hmm. Across from me. Mr. Rougaruga, the head shooter. Hellrail. Yes, sir. J.R. Wright and the builder. J.R. writer, the writer of writers and a surprise. 40-Kal was good. 40. They brought 40 Kow with them. Yes, sir.

Very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Some respectable young chaps, if you will. Yes, sir. Right, right. Young Spitters. They're looking for having me. No, no doubt. How are y'all feeling? I feel beautiful, man. I feel beautiful, man.

We're friends besides this interview, so this is so dope to just be talking to you, like, in an interview form. Yeah. Because we do this besides interview, you know what I'm saying? You know, Hellrell and I kicked it back.

That must have been 2017. Facts. I pulled up. What was that building called that we were in? Oh, 1199. Okay. I pulled up, I'm like, oh, my God. They got me in the project.

He was in his 1199. In the trap. In the hood. By itself. Screen sent he's verified. They're screen printing shirts on one floor. They got the dude who are hanging out. Shout out.

Shout out to Duke to God, man. That's why I said, Adam is verified, man. You guys be just in and that shit. Don't get it fucked up, man. He's been in the trap. No security. His jury on. He's verified, man.

I may have had jewelry at that time. I don't know. You had the next little ring on? We got drunk as fuck. We was pissed. We was pretty drunk. Amazing time. Duke was so.

fucking shit face. Duke was the drunkest one. By far. But that was a beautiful thing to see because we were really kicking it off camera. Right. And I'm around like all y'all and y'all were still really fucking with each other

and that was, I mean, y'all didn't even. You got the witness to call rotary. Yeah. It was a beautiful thing. Dope shit. For sure. I, yeah, man. Let me just paint the picture for y'all.

I mean, maybe Raoul understands this. But as a young man, it was dipset, everything. Nah, it was crazy. It was every fucking mixtape, really, really getting on the train just to go to Canal Street, just to cops and mix tapes and not even knowing if I was buying real ones or bootleg ones because I was stupid, et cetera, et cetera. That's dope.

One of the most powerful times in my life as a rap fan, for sure. And we appreciate that. And I got a chance to experience that yesterday because we was riding to, I guess we was going somewhere, and we was just listening to old diplomat songs. I was listening to old songs that I did with 40 and J.R. Classics. Classics. And we don't listen to our own music as artists.

Especially the old stuff? Yeah, we don't listen to that shit. Sometimes. Sometimes, but I don't go back and listen to my old album on my first album. So when you hear it after five or six, seven years, you're like, damn, I said that. Or damn, Jayrider killed it like that? Right. Or damn, 40 said that?

So it's like, it's like timeless music. And it's like, damn, niggas, our old shit is better than niggas new shit. Yeah. For sure. I take the credit for that. I played, I had the, um, the card. You always want the credit. Sorry. So I got to, I got to get a flower. Say no credit thing, man. Let me get one flower. You didn't get your flowers. You had, I had my, um, I had my joint play. I had the oaks cord with the warm, with my warm up list and, you know, I work out. So I, you know,

I got the old dipset joint. So I say, let me play this and remind people what we used to do when I got, you know, it's not often that I have, you know, my brother, hell, hell, and J.R. in the car. You put it all when he was in the gym. Yeah, your mom blew me. I was mind-blown hearing those records. Because I doubt Denzel watches all his old fucking movies. I doubt Brad Pitt goes and watches all his old fucking movies.

Jordan don't watch all his old games. I doubt Tom Cruise's goes about and watches all the fucking missions impossibles. You understand what I'm saying? So it might come on one day. He'd be like, oh shit. I did that. I did that? You know what I'm saying?

So it was kind of like a... Going on a roller coaster ride, like, damn, wow. I went up, now it came down, and I got to see, you know, the accomplishments and the milestones that we achieved. 100%. Because from your perspective, it's like you just keep getting better at making music. But then meanwhile, if you go back and look at that time and you hear that production that you were genuinely hyped on at the time

that sounds so old to you now. You see the progress. I'm so much of a street, nigga. I'll be like mad niggas be running up on me. Yo, Earl, yo, yo, y'all. And I'm like, why the fuck I be getting so much attention? I ain't JZ or something. And then when I go listen to my old music, I'll be like, oh,

I was saying some hot-ass shit. That's why I think is fuck with me. Because I don't listen to my old music. If a nigga listen to his own music, he's so narcissistic, he's conceded, he just got too much fucking time on his hand. When I understood Tupac's process of recording because I study hip-hop, I heard Tupac recorded the record, heard it one time, and then said load the next beat up.

Prior to him coming to death row, Snoop and Corrupt a recorder record record record record and listen to the shit the whole motherfucking night. Right. Tupac came there and said, load the next beat up. What we're doing? Right.

And then that made Snoop and Corrupt's work ethic step up because they said, damn, this nigga Pop coming in here doing four or five songs a night. Right. We doing one song and just listening to a dick we got a hit and Pop-knocking four or five out. and four or five out.

Right. He listened to it at the end of the night. He listened to it at the end of the night. He said, let the engineer mix that shit down. I hear it when I come back. My job is to record not to sit here and listen to my music. And once I heard Pock said that, I said, damn, that's some real dope shit. So then I don't even listen to my music.

I hear it one time, all right, that's cool, now I know the legs beat up. And then when I come in the studio the next day, the engineer has it sounding like a masterpiece, and then that's when we listen to it. But, okay, tell me this. Do you think that that is one of the biggest things? That is one of the biggest things that, you know, people always say rap music used to be better than it is today. But I think the biggest change in terms of how rap music is made is that people used to, you know, sit, craft a verse for a couple days or however long.

Now they get in there, they make 10 songs in a night. Like, I'm sure all you all could make 10 songs in a night if you wanted to. But that's for professional use. Yeah. We rather quality over quantity. Yeah. But I don't knock that. But I don't knock that.

But I don't knock that. But I don't know. Borset or not that. But to be real? and baking tin pies that tastes like a piece of shit. Like, I just was in Rolling Loud in Miami not too long ago, and I got respect for those artists, you know what I mean? Because I know it's just like it's hard to come up with bars and punch lines

and be lyrical, it's hard to come up with them catchy records. It is. And them catchy flows. And I'm going to cut J-R-R-O. Because if it wasn't, then, you know, the lyrical, all the lyrical rappers would be doing it. I mean, you still got a handful of rappers that do it, but I respect those guys.

And Jay, and Jay, the kid said a quotable. He said, man, I don't said everything I could possibly say. Ask a nigga in your camp who's hotter than Jay. Niggas done said everything they could possibly say. So these young niggas then came up with their own form of way of communicating and their own slings and their ad-libs. Like, I love the shit out of motherfucking, uh, Favio ad-lips. I did.

Perkhead. What? Them ad-lips is out the fucking roof. And I'm not an ass-a-old. I might say, yeah, oh, whoa. These young niggas' atlips is out the fucking roof. And I'm loving it. I like that.

And that wasn't from the era I came from. GZ introduced it to the ad. Yeah. Churper die. No what I'm saying? Like, adlibs was a very hard thing for a nigga to get to like besides your records. If you're a nigga like your ad lips besides your music, you're a dope-ass fucker artist. How many times the niggas, Gucci guy, niggas say in.

Burr. That's an ad lib. That's not a fucking song. Right. So if you got a nika saying, yeah, ad lib, that's very influential. It's a lot easier to remember an ad lib than a whole bar or a whole verse. But the ad lib has to be catchy though. Oh yeah. That's tough because there's been a lot of different rappers who came up off of saying yeah differently as an ad lip. A different y'allip. A lot of different ya's. Yeah. Look a little dirt. Man, what? That Adlib is out the roof. And these new producers with their tags, take care of you. He fucked it.

Producers wasn't doing that back in the deeps. But when y'all came out, it seems weird in retrospect because it seems pretty clear that y'all are like very lyrical in comparison to a lot of the people that are popping these things. But when y'all came out, it was almost like a rejection

of what had come before lyrically in a lot of ways. Like where, you know, I just heard you talking about in another interview how y'all came with the style of saying the same word over and over and just enunciating it differently and having it mean something

and the same thing. When I always think about Juel's coming out like he simplified his wraps down so much you gotta realize we're in New York City yeah you have Jay-Z you have fabulous you have Naz you have Cameron you have all these giants in New York City that we're trying to come into the game and you know come behind and be stars and shit so the bar is so fucking high in New York that we're trying to write the hottest shit that we could fucking say in our life So at that particular time, 40 Cal, Jail writer Hell Rowl, those songs that we was writing,

that was some of the most hottest shit we was writing because we was trying to impress the Cam Ran's, the JZs, and, you know, because we knew our music was going to be heard. As far as Jewel's, shouts to Jewels. As far as Jewel's, he was in his back. He was different. The reason why he dumped it down is because he wanted to make his music more crowd-friendly. He wanted crowd participation. That's why he added the A, A, A, like, I.

I literally was in those sessions when he was done and down. And that's a phrase he coined to Karen Neve-in-in-front. Yeah, shout out Jewel's. A. A. A. A. It's still going strong. Gotta put respect on Jewel's name on that.

You know what I learned? Got to. They said, I learned the stat, right? Had the big A chain. Stupid bussy A-chain. Yeah, that shit was crazy. Like, look, I learned that real quick, however, I learned the stat that they said that being a rapper in New York, it's, It's harder than being in the NBA.

Hell fucking, yeah. People got to think about that. Hell yeah, man. Being an actual rapper in a name in New York, where everybody rap, your cousin, down the block, somebody. Somebody knows somebody that rap in their family, whatever the case,

or somebody on their block. So being, actually having a name, that's just something in itself, you know. And that's not saying any demographic everywhere. It's easier. But I know New York is harder. 40. Let me break something down to you.

And this relates to you. It's a rap. I brought the interview, right? Isaiah Thomas said he got into the motherfucker elevator with Michael Jordan, and Michael Jordan didn't speak. He thought Michael Jordan was being an asshole and being cocky. Michael Jordan said, I was so shocked and in a fan that I was in a fucking elevator with Isaiah Thomas, I didn't know what to say to him. And Isaiah Thomas took it as a snob, like Michael's Jordan too fucking important to talk to me. And it was just a big music communication.

I said Thomas was like, I was so fucking, I mean, Joe was like, I was so fucking mesmered when I was being with him, I didn't know what to say. So you saw how that get biscuit screwed? And it's the same thing in New York. I'll be singing a fabulous song or singing the nigga record and see him in a store and won't say nothing to him.

Because that's the temperature in New York. You don't want to look like a groupie, you don't want to like you on his dick, but I was just listening to the nigger music an hour ago, right? Right. I could have been bumping around. music and see the nigga across the street, but I'm not going to walk over there because we got a relationship. He's on fire. But I'm not going to New York niggas are not going to establish

a relationship that's not there. If this not a mutual to say, yo, this is my nigga, I, we're not just going to walk up like, yo, bro, I'm a fan. It happens, rare in between, but that's not the temperature in New York. Right. So a nigga could be listening to your music five minutes and see you and won't say shit to you in New York. And that's kind of. And that's kind of weird, but that's the temperature in New York. Yeah. Because I've done it. Y'all were beefing with Naz.

I was a beefing. I was part of a group, right? Yeah, no, I was a beef with Nyes. Shout out of Nause. I was a beef with Nause. I was a part of a group that had beef with Nyes. You had some bars in there, right? Never.

Never? That was Jules and killer, but, you know, they squashed that, though. I mean, that was not saying that they took place what was in history, but, no, I've never took a shot at Nise. Hey, yo, the irony. We was at sweet chicks yesterday. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we just were the sweet chicks. Nass. That fool was crazy. That fool was everything.

If you hated Nause, you'd be in hard, hard times because you couldn't even have the ring app outside your house. You couldn't have the camera outside your crib because he owns part of that. He's investor on that. I didn't know until they did. I heard about that. Oh, yeah, yeah. A ring? My girls had that app for years and I never knew. I've seen his investment with Coinbase. That was big. I use that every day. His Silicon Valley endeavors done paid off. Salute the Naz. That's bananas. Super bananas. Okay, but that's the question is, what keeps y'all dedicated to the music where even within the dip of mass, there's a whole fuckload of people who are basically you guys' peers at one point who probably have no interest in making music or have completely just gotten disconnected from it, but y'all are still very much part of the culture, still care about putting out music that you're excited about.

Like, what's the difference that kept y'all motivated? As far as me, like, I love, I love rap. Like, you know, I love rap more than I love the money I make or the fame I'm getting from. Like, I got a studio in my crib, and I don't even feel right if I'm not in the studio for at least 12 hours a day. Right. You get what I'm saying? Wow.

Yeah, I'm writing, and I'm trying to always elevate my pen. I'm always trying to outwrap everybody. Like, me and him get into arguments because I'll be trying to call him to talk about, like, business and other shit, he was like, Rook, I'm writing. I'm like, then you're writing all fucking day, man? Wow.

I can't even get you on the fucking phone. I'm trying to crack every cold. I know he takes his craft that serious, so I don't take a person, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but, you know, just, You know, I've been rapping since I was nine years old, 10 years old. So it's, I would never, I don't, I don't see myself retiring. You know what I mean?

I don't, I don't, yeah, ever. Right. Definitely. I mean, if anything, the whole Versus era has kind of shown us that there's still a shitload of appreciation for people from generations before, you know? Hell yeah. I'm in a comfortable space as far as me. Me right now, my life is where I don't got to record financially.

You know what I'm saying? Right. See, you know, in an artist's career, like, damn, I need this next deal, I need this next 300,000, and this next $500,000, so I could pay these bills or buy a new call, do this or do that. That's not the point I'm at in life. I'm well-off, well-blessed.

God has been showing us love, and I'm recording from a comfortable point. When you don't got to record from a financial standpoint, your music comes out, or tardy. Like Jay-Z. You think? Does Jay rap for the money? No.

So he's saying whatever the fuck he wants. That's fair. The person. Because I look at it. Just look at rappers like MMA fighters where as soon as they get rich and famous they fall off, they get knocked out by somebody. I will believe that, yes.

You know? But if you have the money and you don't have to rap, that means you can say whatever the fuck you want. It depends because you've got people like Jay Cole and Kendrick that they got money. It's the love for the sport. They got money already. And they're still pushing the pen.

They're still raising the ball. They've created a brand where they get to rap exactly how they want and the fans are actually reactive to that. And really, if you look at Jay, what's far about Jay? doing the 4-4-4 album versus like a lot of shit that we've seen growing aging rappers do a lot of times a rapper like you know i ain't listened to like every late stage l-l album i'm pretty sure that

if you were to like dig through that you'd find him sort of pandering to the new sound a lot that's it was amazing to hear jay do something that was like really raw and you really believe like this is the shit that he fucks with right right right right right right that's a fact that's a fact that's a full fact man definitely how was uh the versus thing i've seen y'all there but they didn't call in the of recruits to... But were they even... Would that have been fair? Because I was thinking about that, I'm like...

That's one thing that, like, Cam and Jimmy and shit have, is that they have a whole fuckload of artists that they developed who are very much beloved by the fans. Whereas with Jada Kiss and styles in them, I mean, I do recall the J-Hood era. Right. But... We all do. I don't know that they have, like, a lot of artists that would be appreciated, like,

the way you guys would be. Right. Right. As far as the verses... We were supposed to be... I was trying to make it happen. Oh, okay. Shout was to Jim.

I spoke to Jim about it a few days or maybe two weeks prior. But once I didn't get a call back, I ended up calling my, hit my brother, Fred. And he reached out to somebody that worked for Triller. Shout to Mr. Zach. Shout to Mr. Zach. Mistig Zach. My boy. Shows to my guy, Mr. Zach.

But, um. Go for me. May I? He, they, what Trilla was doing, they had a. boxing match before the versus. Oh, really? They had a main event. Yeah, so basically they had us.

I don't know. They had us. I don't know. Yeah, so basically Mr. Zach set it up to where he was going to have us walk out the main event, which is Michael Hunter. My guy, Michael, Bounty Hunter. Shout to Michael Hunter.

And, um. Off round knockout. Yeah, so we, we performed the best out. And, you know, we came across some, some, some, some, um, some, uh, a few bumps in the road or whatever. but Mr. Zach made it happen and, you know, yeah, it was dope. You know, people thought we was going to get left out

as far as the whole verses thing. So to see us pull up and still perform and still kill it and still have announcers like, oh, that's J.R. writer, that's hell row. 40 Cal. Like, even the announcers, when I watched back the live stream, we got to see the announcers is going crazy, like, oh, snap, you know what I mean?

To see us come up. It's kind of like we got the look, but without happen to be on the stage with them. And then we went to our ringside seats and we sat and watched the verses after. Right. You know what I mean? I mean, we went backstage as well. We went to dressing room, you know, we made our presence felt.

You know, so a love. But at the end of the day, man, you know. But it just didn't happen. Yeah, but at the end of the day, this is a business, Adam. Right. And Cam is a businessman. Right. And, you know, just being real, I don't do business with Cam at this particular moment.

Not saying that we're not cool. He put me in a game. I'm forever loyal. grateful but we just don't do business today as it says right that doesn't mean that there's a beef or a issue right so maybe I didn't fit into his business plan or we didn't which is cool when did you stop doing business what led to y'all not no I'm just saying I'm only had a one-off deal with him like okay it wasn't like he I was signed to him so you've been out of communication for a long time I mean I kind of went through a lot of tragic shit of my own my own my own

own life, Adam. Around the time when we was running around, I lost my mother, my father, and my grandmother were the same year. Fuck. You feel me? So once that happened, I was like, man, fuck hip hop, man. None of this shit means nothing, man. I got my daughters crying, talking about where's grandma? Like, shit just became real. Like, the all this hell real shit just came to an end. You feel me? I just started losing myself. I fell into a deep depression. Because you know the famous saying, what they say? That boy, you never been the same since his mother die right well try your mother your father and your grandmother all in one year and you had just got done dealing with your legal issues around that time or I'm sure you're still dealing with

shit like that so you know and you know just going through a bunch of bullshit clout chasing and just a whole bunch of nonsense in my life and I really didn't give a fuck about hip hop at that time if you could talk to somebody who was in that who's in that state though that you were in at that moment like in all your careers what advice would you give to a guy who's you know early 20s got a shitload of talent getting introduced to the game like like I'm sure you do have those conversations with young artists like what kind of shit do you tell them I mean you got to have a good support system got to have a good support system because depression is real I used to thought that shit was a fucking myth I'm like depressed what the fuck is depression I thought that

was some white people's shit they made up not just keeping it real like I'm never experienced I've never experience depression in the ghetto. I never heard the nigger in the ghetto say I'm depressed. You feel what I'm saying? No, I definitely... That was the exclusive terrain of white people for a long-ass time. Yeah.

It was unfortunate, but... Like, I used to see commercials, manic depression or depression. I'm like, hey, what the fuck's depression? I ain't never experienced no shit like that. Get black niggas don't experience depression. And then when I finally became depressed, I said, oh shit, this is what this shit is. My mom's daughter.

I didn't want to shower. I didn't want to lay the house. I ain't want to write a rap. rap, fucking music came on. I ain't listened to music for the whole 2018. Really? Music, period. Wow.

No music. No music. No music. Because certain songs had me thinking about my mother, my father, my grandmother, and I just didn't listen to music for the whole year of 2018. And Brosky called me, like, yo, Ruger, man. Snap out of that shit, man. The streets want to hear you again, man.

let's go make your mother and your father proud. And we put out the upstage in the middle of it ever since. That's fire. It's good to hear. What has kept y'all close in comparison to some other people? We always was around each other. You know what I'm saying? Forty Cow was always a street nigga getting money.

Like me and Jail Ryder had our deals before him. But 40 Cal always had street money. 40 got his deal like a few months after. He got his full months after. but 40 always had the latest, whatever. You know what I mean? Whatever latest car, latest chain. So it looked like he had a deal when he didn't have a deal.

We pretty much was the artist. Like Jim, Kim and Jewel's, they was execs. They had, you know, ownership and dipset. Like, as far as they had titles, CEOs, you know, president, vice president. And it was kind of different to me. Because it was like, so we had that connection. It was more, it was, I'm in the control, right?

It was more conridery while when I went to, You gotta realize I met Camman in 2001 through Luke Albrazi. I was trapping the New London, Connecticut. Oh really? Yeah. And I'm saying, I was trapping. I caught a case, I went on the run, I came to New York. Luke Al-Brasi said, man, come to the hill, come fuck with me, let's chill out.

Chill out, I know you want to run, just come hang out with me. And Uncasa put out an independent album recorded a fifth album. I gotta really give it to him. This motherfucker was independent before independent. He used to have people buy his mixtape and sign the book so he'll have the signature of all the people who bought the book.

And I'd be like, damn, let me see the book. And the book have like seven to eight, nine fucking pages of niggas who signed the book. You can't only sign the book unless you made a purchase. So whoever signed the book made the purchase. And it's like eight or nine fucking ten. fucking pages. So I'm like, damn, you really got niggins out here buying this shit? You're like, yeah. So I'm like, wow, I like this shit. You really making money off a

rock. You're like, yeah, Ruga. Independently, the Piff album. Right. Him and Kiani, I couldn't believe that shit. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah, booked the studio session. I took him a lookout prize of that. I did a freestyle to Camerong song. When he first got signed on the rock, yeah, I did that song with Benny Siegel and Bleak. I turned 8 to 20, 22, and I did a freestyle over that with Uncasa. And Luke Abrazi played it for care. And Cam was already knew Uncasa, because Cam used to come to 1.45th and Broadway,

and Uncasa used to always be out there with Luke Al Brasi, selling his CDs, fresh to death, getting money. You know what I'm saying? Right. And he played the freestyle. So Ken was like, oh, okay, that's un. But who's the second, nigga? And Luke Outbrazi was like, oh, that's my nigga from the Bronx. Right.

They're like, call that nigga right now. And Luke I brousy called me. I'm in the Bronx just chilling. You know, like I got to turn myself in. I'm on a run, I'm running from New London. My life is in shambles right now. Nika, I'm about to go to jail. And I get a call from Look, I brousy talking about Cameron

just heard my freestyle coming to the 145th from Broadway. I'm like, yo, look, I stop fucking playing with me, man. I ain't got time for no games, man. My life too real right now, nigger. He's like, oh, you don't believe me? Put Cam on the phone. Hey, yo, this Cam, B. You what's up?

I just heard that new freestyle. Come to the hill. I'm like, oh shit, I know this voice. I'm listening to this voice. All my fucking life as a rap fan. So I'm like, oh shit, it's really camp. So I went down there, I met the nigger. He had the rock chain on.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh shit, shit is really real. Put me in the car with him. He rode out, he kicked it. He's like, yo, you're nice, B. What's going on when you're your life? No tone. I was doing. I was on a run or whatever. Took me the baseline.

I said was amazing. I'm like, oh shit. So this is Jay Z 2002 baseline. You know what I mean? Jail Ryder's still in the streets. He's getting street money. So you were around. Jail Ryder is around.

Okay. Oh, he's around. As this is taking place in my life, jail writer is around. He's on one fourth of a Broadway. He's moving around getting street money. But how serious are you taking rap at that time? No, he's on fire.

He's been in a group called loose cannons. Like, he's underground fire. I met him before he met Kim. Me and him knew each other before we met Cam. Okay. It's just so happens. I landed on. I met him and French. French Montana. Me and French Montana was in a group. I was in a group before I even met Cam or anybody.

I didn't know that. Yeah, I was in a group with Fred the Godson, rest in peace. Ah, rest in peace, man. My and Fred the Godson is my man, rest in peace. I know when I was 15. Me and Fred the Garterson split for Lenny Yes of Rockefeller. My man, Nage. Shout up to Nage, who used to manage Vado.

He took us down there. And me and him spitful Linnaeus, and Lenny asked how to chick, and he was more interested in that girl than me freestyling. And I always bring that shit up to him when I see him. I said, yeah, nigga, look, I could have been on the rock. He was used more attention.

Because I was rapping for him, and he's like, I mean, when you rap for somebody and they're not paying attention to you, and you're an artist, that shit pisses you off. You're like, why fuck you listen to my boss? That's going to be so hard to deal with. He got a badass bitch. You know, he's Lenny ass.

Rockefeller, he's in his glory. And I'm rapping. not giving me no on contact. And I'm like, I'm getting mad. But he noticed I'm getting mad. He's like, no, no, I'm listening. Keep rapping. So I'm still rapping.

You know what I'm saying? Then I get mad and I stop. So I'm like, it's a thing that I'm paying attention to me, man. I wish Jay Z was in here, man. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? And then Fred rapped for him. He's like, yo, you're nice.

Then Benny Siegel came in. He was like, yo, yo, yo, yo, y'all niggas is nice. And then once Beanie Ziegle gave attention to us, Lenny, yeah, started paying attention to us. A little competition. You know what I'm saying? So that's me and Lenny that's a little joke. Like, you could assign me to Rockafella.

He'd be laughing when I say that. You know what I'm saying? Because prior to me meeting them, my man Nodge took me to spit for Lenni ass. But, you know, things happened for a reason. I ended up in baseline anyway. Fast forward. I'm in there with Cam.

And that shit was just amazing. Walking in baseline, seeing fucking Jay-Z playing cards with Juan. Bleak walking around with three Rockefeller chains on and freeway in the room recording and Oskino and Sparks in another room recording. I'm like, damn, I really made it to the fucking Major Lees. I was just selling fucking Heron and New London. Now I'm in baseline with Rockefeller.

This shit is fucking amazing. Right. You feel me? That's amazing. This just was mind blowing. So I was just playing my part. And Ken was hungry, I ain't gonna lie. He'd going there and like, yo, we're knocking out records out, man, fuck that.

Let's work. You know, let's show these niggas we came to work. And I liked that that work effort because he didn't come to Rockefeller just to be happy to be down with Rockefeller. Not saying that's not a stat. Who wouldn't want to be happy? But I came to work too, though. I came to put this work in and show you niggas. I came to get busy.

And he made me a part of that process. And that's how I was on. This is what I do. and like three other records at the first diplomatic community album. And then I told a nigga, Alan, I kept it real, because I have to turn myself in.

So I'm like, damn, I'm doing all the songs with this nigga, Cam. I gotta go to jail. I gotta do it one to three. Right. I don't know how to fuck this nigga going to take this.

This nigga might take me off these songs or something, know what I'm saying? Because, you know, you're investing into an artist that I go to jail. You could say, man, fuck you, man. I ain't got time for you.

Right. So I'm like, I broke the news to him. I'm scared. I'm like, yo, can't, because we was like three, four songs in. I'm like, damn, I'm about to really be on this album, man. I got to tell us to that I got to go to jail. I'm like, yo, can't.

I got something to tell you, like, yo, man. I got to do one and three. I'm saying? I might have to have to do two off of it, you know, but I'll be home in two. And then I was like, well, I ain't. Well, we're gonna keep your name alive. And when you come home, I'm having a deal for you. That shit blew my fucking mind, because I thought he's gonna be like,

be like, damn, you're going to jail. I can't fuck with you, my nigga. Like, you're bad, like, I got a lot going on right now. He's just signing the rock. He ain't got to fucking bring me along with him. I'm saying? So when he's like, yo, don't worry about that shit

but make you a star. So when you hear this is what I do, he's rapping on the intro as I'm in jail already. This is my man hell, rel. He's locked up. He's about to come home. Hit him, rail.

By the time this. shit touched the streets. I recorded that in the streets. He said that before me even being locked up. Right. So he already had it in his mind to put this record out and promote me while I'm in jail

without me signing paperwork to this nigga. I'm not on ink, mind you. So this is a gamble. And me looking back, I'm like, damn, me being a CEO of a respectable label, and I just got signed a Rockefeller. Well, I gamble on the nigger who about to go to jail, even though he nice.

He's about to do two fucking years. Will I keep him on these fucking records? Yeah, it's a big decision. Big fucking decision, right, Adam? All right, so paint the picture when you came around, Jerry. I came around, like, I don't know, like, I mean, I was around when he was around the whole time. I was there to day he was going in. He was dead when I went to baseline for the first time.

But when did we start to, like, you first got your introduction as one of the diplomats? It took me a minute. you know, I had to put in work. I had to, you know, I went on a tour. Like, it's like a radio tour where I'm freestalling at all the radio stations going crazy. I had 97. Like, even all my deals was based off of me freestyling.

Really? Mm-hmm. Oh, so? You were just, like, impressing people that much? Like, me and Kim had a meeting with Sony back in, what's that, 2004, just off of my freestyles. And the CEO at the time, Dave McPherson,

all he wanted to do is hear me freestyle. He didn't want to hear no songs or nothing. You get what I'm saying? So, you know, I had to put in a lot of work, you know. I put out two mixtapes before, you know, just to prove myself. You get what I'm saying? And yeah, once the deals came as far as, once Jewels was situated, he put out his album.

I was featured on his album and, you know, Kim got me and brother deal. Fax. You know what I'm saying? For sure. 40. Give us the entry story just so we can flesh it out. You were the street dude first, right?

He came from 40 buildings, so it's... Yeah, it's short story short. He's from the same building. He's from my building. I saw weed. Yeah, 40. I say, yo, I say, yo, free weed, listen to me spit, and I got it. And then it became like a no brain.

I was nice. He from the bill. Why not? Or that's how you did it for you? You said, I'll give you free weed if you let me spit for you? That's fine. That's smart. I had, yeah.

That's a good market. And he was like, I hate like, and he said, why not? And he liked what he heard and the fact that I knew he did, he actually bought the shit still. And- Yeah, so he bought the weed? He actually became like a frequent customer, not on some shit. Not on some shit like he was like, durs. Like he just was like, it was like a, doing two things at the same time.

I'm like, yo, you know, I could buy weed from him, and I can hear some new bars. So, and it became like a game to him. Let me hear something new. Got something new. And as we further go on our career, he puts this civil robbery between me, J.R. and Hellrail. You know, because now it's like, who got the better first?

Let's see. Yeah, he played us against each other, but it brought the breasts out of us. When I first came home from jail, he's like, yeah, I got this new 40-calf-nigger, you know what I'm saying? He kind of dope his shit, tell me what you.

think about him. So I'm like, play it for me. And it was family ties. And this nigger said, these niggas, like 14 days too weak for me. I'm like, how do you what is this this? Oh, shit? So I'm like, but Kim smiled like, he giving me that laugh. Like, yeah, you got some competition now, nigger, what you think you're the only nigga that I got? Right. So I'm like, oh shit, 40-calf? Who the fuck is this? See, I even know this story. I'm just keeping the real. That's good. I came to Jewel's through. I came to Joe's studio, the nigga paid me family ties. I think J.R. was with me when I first came on with J.R.

You pulled up on me, remember? Yeah, I was at the studio. He got a studio with me. And he paid me family ties. And it was only 40-verse on it. And he was going to fuck off. He said, you think I ain't the sickest rapist, rapist. He's, I'm like, who the fuck is this nigga?

I'm fresh out of jail, though. So you know, your jail raps and your street rap's different. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, you write shit in jail. But when you come home, you get the vibe, you see what was lit, and then you snap into the regular you. So my jail raps wasn't matching this nigger street raps.

This niggas said, he the sickest thing of rapper says Easy E? I said, all right. Let's get back to the fucking drum board, man. I got some work to do. He killed that record. You feel me? He killed that record. But I'm just saying, Kim played that for me as a.

Trying to stun on me like, like, look at the new addition to the team. Like, you're just not the only nigga that's hot. Right. Like, that's what he was saying without saying it in hindsight. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? You know, Adam, it made us all better. But it always made it all better.

So that made me say, damn, I got to write a fucking verse with harder than 40-cow. What the fuck is this 40-cow-nigger, nigger? And then once I write my verse, write a hit my verse and say, damn, this nigga, really killed it. I got to kill 40 and write it to that. 40 and Rooka now. And then it brings the best out of all of us. You should never happen.

He never killed me. No. Who never killed you? You a knicker who? You are an owl now, nigga who? This is what happened. But look, Cam, Kim literally made me Jim and Jewel's battle. Really?

On camera. What was that in? Smagger's for shit? No, no, we was on tour. But just to get our pen, I mean, just to get, I mean tighten up, just to get our flows up, He'll have us battle every day at 6 o'clock. I was locked up in jail, won every battle.

See, I was looking at y'all at that time as like, these are the real street guys so they can rap and they can get away with things that other rappers can't get away with because we were looking at y'all as the actual real deal at that time in comparison to a lot of rappers in New York where it might have been kind of questionable.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. That was my mind state at the time. But this is the fucking mixtape era. Samples everywhere. Samples everywhere. Instrumentals. You could sell fucking 5,000 CDs out your fucking trunk. We ran around.

We ran it. Yeah, the mixtape game. The mixed tape is crazy. How much money? Y'all make off mixtape so you didn't play taxes on. But I'm just saying the money. A lot of money. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying, I'm going to probably make a hundred thousand on a whole tank. Allegedly. Adam. A regular day. Right. Put 5,000 out. Put 5,000 CDs in my trunk. And an ounce of wheat and ride around through the ghetto.

And by the time I get home, every nigger them bought those from me. Right. Besides whatever money out of me. Because you're charging $5, $10. But they get to meet you as part of it. They're buying it from me and I'm signing it. Easy. It's a no-brainer.

It's such a shame that people can't do that anymore. Obviously, it's great to get your music out now. You never sold out the trunk? Nah, I just dropped it all to like. No, I was dropping off to the next six spots. I just do it just to have it. It's just it's in the trunk. You know, Ruga, you got new music?

Yeah, I got a new CD. You want it? Yeah, give me three of them. It sells itself. Good, dope, sells itself, right? It's free money. It's free money after a while. It's all free money.

It's just sitting in the trunk. Ruga, you got anything new? Yeah, it's in the trunk. Shout out to, I was in the studio. He makes our CDs, and I have to, like, I get to a point where I gotta be like, can I please have a hundred copies of my own joint? Like, so because I want to sell.

You owe me a check. And he does that for everybody. He makes everybody's CDs. But he was killing him. And, you know, we're thankful for a dude like that because, you know what I'm saying? He made sure that we was buzzing in the streets. And, you know, the flip side, he's making a lot of money. So, you know.

Yeah, Duke make the most money? No, no, no, no, no, I ain't going to say that. Did Duke make the most money off the mixtapes? Did he make the most money over mixtapes? Out of everybody. Out of what? Like, mixtape DJs? No, out of the diplomats.

He ran the dipset department. So he was making the most. You think of that? But we didn't make money. That was his money. Really? So you're on it, but you didn't even expect any money. That's a weird thing to think about now. Because now if you have a verse on a song, you used to get credit. Because he gave us beats. He did so much other things for us. Not because of that, because he was family. He was part of the team.

And it was the promo. It's mixtapes. Usually we do freestyle for different DJs. He'll press it up. You've been to the spot to still screen. Like he was the glue. It was happening there back man as well. Absolutely. Oh yeah. Yeah. Early. Back then, Adam. T-shirts. We was doing that. Everything got pressed up in the house. I had shows in Japan and sent people with the merch on. Have you seen the motherfucker with a diplomat shirt on? And got pressed to that's a screen that you've seen. Yeah, and shout out to Cameron Civil.

She started, wait, my God. Yeah, shout out to Cameron Civil. She definitely was an intricate part. She was an intricate part. She was there. She definitely helped run the Empire in the beginning. Didn't Cam say she owes them 60K or some shit? I don't get in between their business.

Yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened with them. I don't remember what happened with that on this. She was cool with me. You know what I mean? She used to work for Duke the Guard. She did a lot of good business for me. We A.O.K.

Shout out to K, so. That's this. But she's doing good now. It's like, it's good to see people that start with you, like, or start, like, whether it's under you or whatever and excel and what they do now. That's like, and just like you. Like, you see, we watch you come up from coming 1199 and I look at you now. No jumper is crazy.

No jumper water. Many years before that, I was just the biggest fucking dip stand ever, man. When I think about that. Yo, another name of people who came up under the diplomat's umbrella, ASAP Yams. He was like an intern. He was an intern. Fort Duke to God. Yeah, Shouts to Yams.

Shout out to ASEP Yams. RIP. And he went hard for me. He thought I was the fucking dopes motherfucker in Dipsack. His last tweet was how Rowe was underrated. I wanted to get this fucking, try to fucking sell that shit as an NFT assigned and donated to his family. I thought his last one was Bodine Brazie. It might have been cost to

One of them One of them I got it One of his last tweets was Hell Rull is so underrated One of the last joint shit I screenshoted it I said wow

They was all big fans And this is when ASat Rocky Was fucking lit Huge He tweeted that Yeah Shout to Ferg and Rocky To shout out to Fergan Rocky

Those my guys Those my family Last time I seen Rocky He spit every verse off my old mix We just seen Ferg At the other verses Yeah wow And me and Ferg got a record together

Yeah, that's my little bro. You know, I remember Yams had a tweet where it was just, it was this quote, and it was, it was a hell real quote, but he said, I went to the doctor to get an AIDS test. He told me I was negative, but I tested positive for swag. And Yams just tweeted that and I knew exactly what it was right away. And I was like, bro, that was not, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, was going viral back then. You were good at like the wrestling style, in,

Like what you're going to do when I rack these arms around you? You would have smack pull up and just do the Hulk Hogan thing for real, yeah. But it was real low. Fire. Underrated, you got that early on because now everybody sit there making Instagram video talking some shit. That was early on you realizing like, oh, they show up. I don't got to be the fucking chill dude that I might have been earlier. I'm going to turn up on this cameraman.

I appreciate you and I honor you for making an observation, Adam. That was an important innovation. right there. Thank you, sir. Oh, good. I also just wanted to call attention to the the Getham Daddy Remix era. Fire. On the roof? Fire. Crazy. That was my neighborhood. You came home right before that? Yeah, I did. That was like you coming home. I came to my

neighborhood with no security and that nigga had $5 million worth of jury on. Wow. In my neighborhood, that was my neighborhood, 176 and Weeks Avenue. Baghdad. Baghdad. Legend if he wasn't no security if he wasn't lit before that you was definitely no security He was every chain go to the videos look at the video he had it all on this is after he got shot

Mm hmm because remember he got shot a Lambo incident right before that right yeah and I said damn this thing was crazy right after he got shot he booked a Cession and platinum sounds and had us all pull up right and we recorded it and we shot the video on my neighborhood We did the remix with me, REL, Jim, and Cam. Right. And then they shot the video version with just Cam and Rell,

new version. Right. That was crazy. I was like, wow. Me and Cam by herself, all right. Had that nigga in my hood, no security.

Savages around them. Just happy to be around. You know what I'm saying? That's a kind of record that you heard and it made you want to go maim somebody. That's a kind of record you put up before. I got a boom in my pants.

Now that's a fucking record that's a fucking record that. fucking AK, heavy tool of my pants, man. Talk. It was heavy talk. There's only so many ways that you can say you got a gun on you. It's the way you say it. It's the way you say it. It's the way you say it.

Adam is fucking crazy. Take me back to the bird call era. And what it was that had to lead up to Wayne pulling up to the block to do that. That was monumental. At the time, I didn't have no deal. I think you did. Just not, I didn't have a deal. Hell no.

When I shot the video, I did. But I didn't have no deal. So I'm in my man Saga crib. Shout out of my man Saga. And Cam gave me one of his phones. It was the next tells back there. So he had all his contacts in there. And people will always call him randomly.

I just pick up like, yo, Cam ain't here. T.I. call. Somebody a call. So one day I'm like, you know what? I'm the youngest nigger from D. said, Lord Wayne is the youngest from cash money. He's still doing what he'd do. Let me reach out to him to him on my project. On a low. Can't don't even know. You load a tax pretending to be Cam to Wayne? No, no, I called. Oh, you called. But I know he would pick up because he would think

it's Cam. Right. You get what I'm saying? So when- Marketing genius. You know, this is a bold move because there's a good chance Lord Wayne's going to be like, fuck, fuck you. I thought Cam was calling me. Absolutely. Absolutely. He took a fucking big ass Yeah, no, but that's my guy. That was being hungry. Anyway, I sent on the record, and he killed the verse, you know what I'm saying? And then he called me right back. He's like, yo, who produced that beat?

I told him, developed, and developed, shout to develop. He ended up doing a bunch of stuff, like, on a car to three. It was a car to three, right? Yeah, the car to three, car to four. Quarter of four. So, you know what I mean? The fireman record, right? Yeah, hell yeah.

So. He did that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Hell yeah. So, uh, anyway, so yeah, so we ended up doing the record, and then, um, Cam gets on the, on the verse as well. And, uh, we set up the video shoot on Dykeman, and Cam took it upon himself to hit

Lil Wayne and he had all the trailers out there. It was a, it was a movie. It was a movie. We had the shit shut down for like blocks. We had the Pepsi Blue Lamborghini out there. People, it wasn't just shut down for no reason. Like, it was barricaded because girls, from all ages screaming, ah,

every time we get off the trailer, we had Dame Dash, Cam, Jim Jewel's. You hear me, Adam? Just because you weren't on that record? Yeah, and this, niggas, is Little Wayne, Cam. But you're still hell around after Diplomatic video shoot. It's Cam and Little Wayne and fucking

Chial Ryder and all the girls were screaming for these fucking niggas, and I'm just sitting on the side, smoke a weed, like, why ain't on this fucking record? All right. So look, so yeah, we shoot the video or whatever. and yeah my album my album charted my album was number two in the country on billboard not just not you know not just iTunes you know I mean but shout to the people that chart on iTunes and um yeah that was a big record so this day still one of my biggest records shout to low Wayne we ended up doing five more

five more records after that and when I first came home I flew out to go check them too you know what I mean in the studio he had Nikki Menager in there wow I mean shouts to the whole young money but Wayne is my gosh Shouts to Mac Main, too. You know what I mean? That's like family. Yeah, shout out the whole cash money. That's family. Nicky, that's the sis.

Shout out to zoo. You know what I'm saying? Right. You guys kind of like, there was always like a G-Unit beef brewing or like you could kind of see it waiting to happen. Beef? Right?

Because you guys were the two biggest crews in New York. It's kind of like a stalemate type thing. But the fans do that shit, though. But it has to be that way. And nowadays the fans aggravated. We don't be thinking about them niggas. and they don't be thinking about us. But the fans would be like,

yo, I think Gina Gina's better. I think Dipset is better. Hip-hop, number one spot. It's always going to be a conversation. Who's number one? We understand. Especially from New York. We're from New York.

We get it. We get it. It's like a Tupac line. You can tell the people you rode with whatever you want, but you and I know what's going on. So if me and Fab see each other by herself, yo, you're nice. Nah, you're nice, real good.

But you just said that you weren't talking to him when you saw him in the grocery store. You used to have a big example earlier. I said New York, when you see niggas by themselves. We do entourage and cruel. Niggins ain't, glory. New York shit. New York is a big city.

It can't be one king. It's a city of kings This is true Can't be one king of New York Man It's too fucking big And it's too fucking lit So it's a city of kings

Right So finish what you were saying About your union Yeah, go on with that It felt like The beef always was just sort of Like on the verge of popping off But then

When Cam and 50 started going at it And then Jim sided with Cam though That was like kind of the beginning of the end or were the cracks already showing before that. I didn't really see him sodden with 50. I didn't see him.

He fucked with him in a sense. He went on stage with him. He gave a bag. He got a back to perform. But you know to the, of course, on the outside looking in it's like, oh, that's like, you know what I mean? But I get it. I get it both ways.

You know what I mean? But they both had legitimate reasons to beef. You get what I'm saying? Like 50 was on a, 50 is one of the biggest rappers in New York ever had. Like, so 50 is on the radio saying. Koch is the graveyard for artists We're the biggest thing on Koch at the time

Cam is getting a lot of money over at Koch He calls By the time Cam calls And 50 says Oh he wasn't talking about us It was lit It was too

I mean His emotions is up You know what I mean And it happened And it was dope to me It was dope But are you viewing it as As a part of the crew

Are you viewing it as like, oh, this is ultimately bad for everything that we... No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm looking at it like, let's go. Me and high sight. I'm looking at it like, let's go. Me and high sight, it was above everybody's pay grade. It's two giants wrestling.

It's King Kong and Godzilla wrestling. Mind y'all fucking business. Because as you can see, me and Tony Yeo and Banks, we never took shots at each other. It was 50 and we could camp, and it would stay between them. The other participants didn't beef with each other. other. Did you pay attention to that? That probably took a lot of restraint. It was only Godzilla

and King Kong fighting with each other. Me and Yeo never dised each other. Ryan and Banks never dissed each other. 40 and Young Buck never dissed each other. So it stayed between them two and it was respectful. Yeah, let me add this to, I was cool, rest in peace and Maserati Fox. That's the homie. I used to live in Queens. And it was like for us to be beefing with G-Unit, Fox at the time was like 50's main like Savage. Hitter, I guess. You want to call it, right?

I'll rob pizza that man, man. But us to be beefing, it would have been like ugly because I used to see him every day at a spot called on Fire and I. Shout to my boy Bundy and all that. Bundy. And all that. So we used to see, and that's how I met Trave.

We met, you know, mad people that that's Dan went in the Jun and Circle. So like he's saying, And if big wigs is going at it, the 50 versus K. We stand out of that because we're in the street like he told you. You know what I'm saying? We ain't got nothing to do with like people arguing over. You know what?

The entourage's got to see you. You know what I'm saying? 50 goons got to see. The goons is like, we're going to fight on each other because these two niggas is beefer? You understand what I'm saying? 40 knew the whole slow bucks, all these niggas. Like he lived in quick, like he knew all these niggas.

So as this is taking place. is taking place, what, 40 going to be beefing with 50 goons and his man's? Right, like he said, and look at a guard. Everybody's cool now. But time always does that. Time heals always, you know? Yeah, but at the time, I was ready, though. If Ken would have made the call, I was on deck because that's how I'm competitive.

You and Banks, you and Banks going at that time? Thanks would have been crazy. That would have been, records that we would still be talking about right now. Shouts to Banks. Yeah, yeah. Like, that would have been dope. That would have been dope. I don't think Banks would have did that, but that would have been dope.

You know what I mean? Shout out of the Banks. Shout out of the Bank. Shouts to Blue. PLK. I made PLK. One of the nicest. You still hate 50, though?

Who? You? I never did. What? He gave me one of the best motherfucker promotional marketing schemes ever. Recently? Just trolling me on Instagram, man. That shit don't be real, man.

The 50 surplus plan works, though? What you mean? If he comes at you, it's still good for the, He don't fuck with me no more. He don't fuck with me no more. Fifti my guy. Because of the way you reacted, or what? Because he know I'm a real street, nigga.

And there's just jokes. And a lot of people don't understand that when 50 do that, he's giving you the alley you. Like, nigga, if I'm talking about you, I'm getting you high. Do something with it. You see him he was disembusting. Them niggas his friends.

I don't think Young Buck feels that way about the 50 clout surplus plan. I think Young Buck would be like, leave me out of this. Stop this. They have business issues. together. And real problems. Yeah, I have nothing to do with that. He's a fan of my music. I'm a friend of his music. He knows a few of my savages. I know a few of his savages. And it's a mutual

respect. Where's it at with Max B? He's a legend. And wait until he can't wait till he come on. He's from my block too. For 40. But it's all water under the bridge at this point. We never had problems with Max B. Max B used to, I mean, he's from. I mean, he's from. I mean, He used to go to Sun City and park out BMWs together and fucking slide strippers together. He's like, oh, well, you know, these niggas holding me back, man, worry, man, he's trying to stop me, man, the wave out of, for real, man, you mean, Jim, man. And I'd be like, bro, I can't do nothing about it. You know, that's y'all business, you know, it's not my pay grade. You know what I'm saying?

But I sympathize with this situation, and a lot of shit was just not, I couldn't control. Right. You know what I'm saying? If I could have snapped my fingers and made a lot of shit happen, I would have, but I'm not the owner, a CEO of the diplomat records, so I can't make a second of decisions. Right. You get it? Oh yeah.

What about Jim, though? Where's that at? What do you mean? You can't do business with Cam? Is I like that with Jim too? What do you mean? I never said I can't do business with Cam. No, he said he's not doing currently.

I currently don't do business we can. Right. Yeah. That's just like LeBron is not being sponsored by Sprite. That doesn't mean he's beefing with Sprite. Mm. Perfect analogy. What about Jim now?

What about him? How's it going with Jim? I'm just wondering like where the temperature is right. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. Shout out of the Capo, man. Shout out of the Capo, man.

He's looking good out there. He's sounding good. It's all love with Copp. It's all love. He's drippy. We go back and forth on the DM. I mean, that's my brother. He leave comments on rail page.

He's so love. You can't me in general. Like, it's like we inked up. Like it's brotherly love. You feel me? bro, man. That's that's broskey, man. Cam, Jewel's, you already know.

It's brosky. It's all love. Family business. But you can ask the questions. It's all love. Yeah, you can ask whatever we want, but family business stay in the house. You know that how the shit go. Right. You and your brother getting into argument? Y'all don't go in the streets and talk about that shit among strangers, right? I asked somebody, I asked a friend of mine, I said,

yo, you got any questions? Hellrell, Joe, J. J.R.R.R.R. Shoot them shits. You know we real niggas? But this is what he said. He said. said, ask him if it's true that he stole Max B's jeans and then wore them. Oh, shit. If who stole Max B? I think that, you.

I think if Max B. I think Max B might have said that back in the day. What a question. And I'm going to just air it out. It's a rapper from Rochester named RXK Nephew. Who the fuck is that, nigga? I'm just saying, he asked me to ask that question. Where did this room come from?

I'm saying, because me and that nigga never been on tour? I don't know. We've never shit. hotel stole his fucking jeans that's a new one for me Adam I had a lot of fucking rumors on you man I mean the max B jeans the homie said this and I just I mean I didn't fact check it I didn't Google it came home in 04 all right I came home in 2004 Max B came home in 2007 so I was hell rel before he was Max B no disrespect to the wave guard

So I was financially set and I mean that's what I would assume I had no reason to still a pair of fucking jeans man I smoke car notes man right smoke mortgage payments I see it you know that I've seen it jeans that's what I'm saying jeans jeans are a weird currency you know it's like yeah no jeans is a you spend a lot of money jeans but then like jeans is crazy a pair of thousand dollar merry jeans as a gift from him making me $50,000. He said, well, I'm good.

Go get that shit to a bum on Skit Row. Damn. I'm lying, Fred. I ain't seen a bum in the Mirries yet, but. All right there. They're probably out. They're probably out there. Fred said, Fred said, make a bum on Skit Row happy.

Get a nigga of $1,000 jeans. And that's what we're going to do. Am I lying, Fred? Brand new pair of Mary jeans. I bought my brother because he made me $50,000, and he's been blessing me and helping me make a lot of money nowadays. And I said, I want to treat my brother. I bought him a $1,000 pair of jeans.

And he said, Ruga, I'm good, man. I'm blessed. Get that shit to a bum on Skid Row. Make a bum happy. And I said, damn, Fred, that's a dope thing to do. That's fine. The jeans is sitting in my fucking hotel room right now. I'm like, Fred?

Am I capping? I'm not a Capricorn. I'm a tourist. You got them started about jeans. Nah, because this is going to say me? Me? Me? It's a joke, bro.

I don't know. It might be a joke. It's a joke. You know, bro. I never heard the room. It made me laugh so hard when I read it, it's funny. I felt like I wanted to share it with you. You know another room I heard?

What? That I was standing in front of the Madison Square Garden smoking a cigarette, eating a piece of trying to get into the verses. It's stuff that people want to laugh at. It's a mental image. Once you paint that, you want it to be real. I read that shit online. I said, man, me and fucking 40 and writer was ringside without rings out, man.

Me sitting out of, standing out of fucking Madison Square Garden, I'm trying to get in, man. You're out your rabbit-ass fucking mind, man. You still smoke cigarettes, though? Yeah, I'm trying to quit, though. Okay. He still try to paint the picture in his head. When's the last time?

You still down to eat like a slice of pizza on the street, or you took good for that? Not eat a slice of pieces of the streets, but not standing in front of Madison because we are going to trying to get in like I'm a goofy. Nah. Not me, I'm a verified fucking game member.

But what I would look like standing in front of New York City trying to get into a venue, eating a pizza. Remember that album cover where you had the bullets for teeth? I didn't say that. I didn't say that. You remember when you had the bullets for teeth on the album cover? Monumental. Stupid.

Monumental. That was hard. That was classic. I'm actually coming out with a wee string with that picture on the weed. So look out for that. That's an FNFT outcome. Yeah, we on the Masters. Bro, I got 20 right now for that NFT.

Excuse me? The NFT of that album cover? Yeah. Who's that? NFT. That album. That album cover? Yeah, yeah.

You're trying to put you on the Gidding. You said you could get me what? I heard of $20,000,000, a million. We're going to put you on the NFT game. Yeah, we'll talk off camera. For show. Hey, hey, hey, me and my girl, we went Havsies on a fucking NFT, $160,000. shit is currently 260,000

That was like two weeks ago Two weeks. Well I own off. Which one is it though? It was a crypto punk. Fire. That's some different type of money. So what made you jump into that particular one?

It was one of the cheapest Cryptopunks available at that moment. Somebody put you on them? But yo, I tried to buy it for 80,000 a couple days before that and I had the bank transfer to turn the money into Ethereum. I look at that shit

fucking two days later. 160,000. I almost chickened out, but my girl wanted to still go for it. Wow. Shout to your girl. That was a good gamble. Shout to your fucking girl. Let's go. Do it. Fire. Fire. Good fucking gamble.

What's the craziest shit you've seen from groupies during your time with the diplomats? Let's hear some fucking horror stories. The craziest? Craziest, most debauchous shit you've seen girls doing, willing to do, wanting to do. I've seen what somebody got got one time. I just ain't gonna say who name it is. I'm talking about like by a groupie, not like somebody trying to rob them.

And that's just regular. Oh, they got robbed. That's just regular, not robbed. Like, give me your money. I'm talking about like somebody, you bring a young lady to your hotel. It's etiquette. It's toy etiquette.

And then you might wake up and then be like, and you hit a shower running nobody in the shower. And it's like, ah, man. You never had a girl try to pull a lick on you like that? Nah, we, like, that's, like, amateur, like, tall shit. Like, once you've been doing this, you know, you know to watch out for that. Like, come on, we're going to, like. I don't laugh for.

I bet you got got. I bet they got you for something. Nah, I'm just laughing. Nah, I'm just, nah, not. Nah, not. He's certified. He's not. We already know that.

I put my jury in the safe on on the road. The bitches don't get me. But I got a story, though. I'm not going to say his name because he's one of the guys. Right. Who? Who? He said I feel like, no.

Name him. He's looking at him. I'll tell you off camera. You don't know once I'll tell the story. This is Ralph telling a story about himself, but he doesn't want people to know it to about it. Only I don't. Gang shit. It ain't mean.

Gang shit. Gang shit. Nah, a diplomat entourage member. Okay. We was about to go on. We was leaving for tour. And he had a young lady in his room. And we knew that she was running red line.

A.k.a.a. bleeding. Yeah. When you were in a red light, that means you hit it while she was on her period. You were tapped into her menstrual cycle. We were aware of it. Okay. Because we all wanted to bone her. You're all checking up. No. And she let the gang know that she was running red lights.

Okay. So she's like, oh, she's a dub. She ends up in his room. So I knock on his door like, yo, the toe bus downstairs. We gotta get the fuck out of here. Oh, yeah. I open up the door. He talked about the same nigga.

His shirt is bloody red. Everybody's talking about the same. I opened the door. His shirt is bloody red. So what did that lead you to believe? He ran the red light. Yeah. I said, this thing is a savage.

You know why? Because when his watch got stolen, he ran out. Oh, the bitch broke. He took my watch. And that's when we looked down and he had blood on him. So he like, yo, what's shit going on? That niggas stole. He got stabbed this son.

The nigga ran the red light on a bitch that. Nobody knew. We don't know this bitch from Mekana Paint. Wow. That's amazing. I'd be fucking girls in a period though. I ain't scared of nothing. Listen, ain't nothing wrong we're running red lights, man. We're from the money. It's just a little snake. But if we know them, are we familiar with them? This is a bitch you don't know from a canna paint. Ironically.

Ironically. And the tour bus is about to leave. Everybody's on this shit about to go to another state and not knock on your door. And it opened up the door. Your shirt is bloody fucking right? Your shirt is Sue Wu-in? Right. That means you ran a red light. You was that thirsty. There's plenty bitches on tour, man. Fuck her.

Get on the bus. Let's give him to being great. So that was one of my stories. But I ain't know that was the same story. He was telling him 40. He ran the red light and the bitch robbed him for his jury. Yeah, shit was disgusting. So after that, it was like, wow.

Bad work. He did bad on tour. Damn. But Toa is crazy. You'll meet a bitch in New York, and the bitch will follow you. all the way to DC and you get tired of fucking and leaving VA. Because you know you're doing the East Coast.

You're doing, you know, New York, New Jersey, Philly, Delaware, D.C. You meet a bitch in Philly and kick the bitch off the bus and fucking V8. Yeah, we basically kids. Tort life was crazy, man. Yeah, we kids on tour. We were different. This tour is right now, just like on bugging out. Prior to Instagram and all that, tour was different.

If a bitch wanted to come on a tour bus, she had to see. I suck. Three, four niggas, dicks just to get on the bus. Oh, man. Wow. This is why you wanted him on the show. This is why you just know. He wanted it raw.

He wanted it raw. He wanted it raw. R-I-P-O-D-P. He wanted it raw. Yeah, this is before I had a girl. Yo, you heard? I'm telling you, if you wanted to get on the bus and see J.R. R.R. 40-Cal.

No, don't push me in. I think I had a girl. We're going to keep it. Keep it anonymous. If you wanted to see a celebrity, you had to perform a sexual act prior to meeting a celebrity. Now it's just, bitches just DM and, uh, no,

before you get on this bus, you must suck three to four niggas dicks prior to meeting the celebrity. But I feel like that's a New York thing in general. Like when I look to New York, I knew dudes who did construction and it would be like Friday night and they would just like have like,

a bitch pulling up to the crib for all the homies to run through and that was just a normal Friday night. That's a real shit. It is real shit. It is LA shit too, though. Yeah, now you'll be walking home one night. I've been in LA and the nigga be like, hey, baby, what you're doing? Ain't shit?

Hey, come over here and fuck the whole gang. You'll be walking home one night, niggas are being a staircase with... What you mean, hell now? Ten niggas and one shit. The staircase. That's right. Matter of fact, let me rephrase that. Let me rephrase that.

Hey, what you doing? Ain't nothing just chilling. Hey, come over here and kick it with the home boys. All right, give me an hour. hour, that's a.k.a. Come fuck the game. Yeah. Not you guys, but females are doing it. She messes with ballplayers. She's too boozy.

She act like this shit don't happen. It happens, my love. It's not taking place on your watch. But it happens. We don't know what Laura's doing. I got no read on her. She's prestigious. What's talking about horrors? and bitches that's for the streets. Right.

I turned down a lot of trains. Just walking home, niggas be like, you fall up. Full floor. Like dead ass, yo, come on, full floor.

I'm gonna put you to the front of the line. That's what you want to be. You know what's crazy? I was 16, 15. It's crazy. You get what I'm saying? But yeah, and they have a bitch from out of town

like, you know, a female from out of town. Somewhere, I don't know. And I don't, yeah. Wow. I watch bitch. Just suck these dicks. Niggas, they take showers

for three, four days and a bitch to suck a little dick, man. God, that should be illegal. Jesus Christ. I see bitches do horrible acts. So to watch... You ask for horrible acts. So to watch...

So to watch the internet whores that's being flown out and getting treated to high-priced dinners and bags being bought and bust down Rolies, this shit didn't take place when we became auditors. I bet you would have never got a Rolex

bought for her. prior, pre-social media. That's his shit that's crazy now is now you got any pretty girl 18, 19 years old, boom, they're ready to fly her out to Miami, come to the club with us, yaddy got the whole game. Normally, she was like forced to choose from the dudes in the area where she lived. The world has opened up for a girl like that. If she's smart, there was no flying out. There was no flying out.

I got to deal, there was no flying out. You didn't have to fly. You couldn't, you fly you fly you out. No, chicks will fly themselves out. Thank you. The bitch will get on the fucking Chinese bus to get to me. Hop on the fun war. A $30 bus.

You want the fun while? In the middle of midtown. Just pick me up. All right, baby. Shit like that, man. Just flying out and hotel. All this shit is new to me, man. That's why I stay in my house.

Really? You ain't down to fly out of Instagram Fadi nowadays? I don't know, man. Nah, man. All right. Bitch got to fly self out. You got to prove you really want to be around me. Because I am the lifestyle.

You just want to be a part of the lifestyle. I am the lifestyle. You're not buying these steak dinners and buying these bottles, bitch, and written. And man, you ain't got these stars in these rules. No respect. You tell me. No, for the horse, I hate horse.

For the horse queens, my queens, my sisters, my beautiful ladies, I honor y'all and I worship the ground. Y'all walk on. But horse. and bitches that's for the streets can't get a motherfucking red coin out of me or a blue one. Oh yeah?

Oh yeah. We ain't banging no more? No, we're banging, but I'm just saying bitch can't get a red cent out of me. Oh, okay, good. Or a blue one. Or a blue one. If there is a blue one.

You know what I mean. Why are you fucking with me. Right. Hey, hey, I got a good question. Talk about it. How you feel about six nine going on Clubhouse and trying to get your man caught up? I don't like to speak on those type of events, man.

Shout out to Mel Matrix. Shout out to Mel Matrix. Free mom guy, Jamel Jones. He's a childhood friend of mine. Stand-up guy. I knew him since 1995 prior to hip-hop. He's doing 15 years. Shout out to Nuke.

Shout out to Half. Shout out to all the guys who's been affected by this. It's for emphasis. It's for emphasis. Okay. You feel me? Shout out to all the guys who was affected by that

tragic event and I don't even want to talk about that shit. Respect. How do you feel about the streets of New York these days though, man? It seems kind of crazy as an outsider. It's dangerous. We always on the movie, though.

It's dangerous. But we always traveling, so we, you know. But it's definitely different now. It's different, though. You know why? Because every city has adopted the drill formula and it's horrible. Right.

Nah, they tweaking. It's horrible. It's horrible. Time dated this podcast. This is the day after the day where everybody said now he tweaking. Let me paint you a day in New York City. Okay.

And I don't even living in New York City. I don't know how it's in Pennsylvania, but I frequent New York City. But let me paint you a day in New York City. Me and Adam is chilling on the block, right? I like it drinking enjoying the atmosphere drunk as fuck

we're chilling right fall down drunk yep Doddies is out you know what I'm saying everywhere some young 16 year old kids are spinning the fucking block looking for their op

unbeknownst to us and they don't see their op outside and their man is like fuck it man we got to shoot somebody we just can't go back to the block without shooting somebody and some little kid gets out the car

and unloads his handgun and Little Tasha get hit by a straight bullet and we're all running, going crazy. And on the news, they says that little Tasha got killed. And next day, some niggas on line talking about he's smoking a little Tasha pack. They would do that? That's being done.

About the little girl, though? No, no. Just to just their enemy. Wow. If it's an enemy, yeah. Jesus. They go that phone. You have kids.

You have kids that's 15, 16-year-old gang members. They die. The neighborhood lights candles, mirrors to honor the dead. Right. And the apple go to the block and kick the fucking candles over. Taking the candles is a new thing, yeah. How fucking disrespectful. And when you disrespect the dead, you're channeling different energies.

Like, you're playing with a different force that I don't think you're aware of. Right. Because you're aware of the, like, the dead is a whole different world. Like, thinking about the fact that... So when you're through... Playing with that world, be prepared. Don't be surprised what that world throws back at you. The whole diplomats era, we never heard an op mentioned.

Unless they were a famous rapper. I'm just saying, New York. Listen, listen, having an op is not a New York terminology. It's a Chicago terminology. If you ask a young nigga in the streets what an op mean, what does it mean? He can't even tell you. What's up? What is it saying for?

Do you know? Opposition. Thank you. That means the other side, the opposing side, the enemy, the rival. But if you ask a young nigga, what's the op? What is it abbreviate for? I don't know, you're just my op. Your opposition is a nigga who killed your best friend.

Somebody who took somebody from you that you grew up with. You, y'all played Nintendo. y'all played basketball with and this nigga killed him and took him away from me now i want to kill you and murder you because you took my best friend and you're my op for life for that niggas in new york and got ops they just got beef right so when the niggas talking about he looking for his op did the nigger kill your best friend did the nigga murder somebody that's close to you because that's the opposition that's the opposing side that's a rival a nigger who kills somebody that means the world to me

If a nigga just looked at me and stepped on my sneakers or he fucked my bitch, you got beef. That's not your op. Do you understand me, Adam? I like it. Does that make sense? It makes sense. Oh, my ops.

Your ops? That's not your op. That's a nigga that's fucking your baby mother and you're mad at him. It's not your op. Right. Stop using Chicago terminologies in New York the wrong way.

If we're going to use these terminologies, let's use them the right way. If he is your opposite, and that means he kills your brother, your friend, or a nigga that's very dear to you. That's an opposition. That's the opposing side. That's an enemy.

That's a rival. That's on site when I see you. So if it's not on site, I don't have no ops. I don't have an op. I don't have an enemy. In my life that I live right now, I'm so positive. I don't have an opposition. And if a person considered me,

his opposition, he's running free space. I'm renting free space in his head. I got beef with a niggas I don't even know about. And that's unbeknownst to me. If a niggas's beefing with me, I have no idea because I have no beef with nobody. So that means a nigger got too much time on his hand, man.

I don't... And I'm just saying that publicly. If a niggas beefing with hell, bro, in this day and age right now, I'm renting free space in his head because I'm totally not thinking about him. I'm thinking about Upstage 2, Golden Triangle Part 2, this record I'm about the, I don't really rap three,

this new verse that 40 just did on these new records that we just did. Like, we got a lot of shit going on. So for a nigger sitting around thinking about how he wrote his op, his enemy, or he has to do something to me, I am written free space in his head, and I would like to know how much it costs. Like monthly? Monthly.

Put that on Airbnb. If I'm written that much free space in your motherfucker had, I would like them alone how much it costs monthly. Because I'm not thinking about these guys. Right. Life is too good right now. With my brothers. Beautiful.

Fred money over there, bussy. We had no jumper. Look, life is too good. Adam. Tell them what we might do Saturday. I don't have those. Yo, tell them what we're going to do Saturday. You're flying off the people to walk a fight out.

And sit rings, how would our rings high? In England? Cleveland. Cleveland. We flying from L.A. to Cleveland. Who's fighting? Jake Paul?

Oh, you're going with them? Yeah, you want to see that. Our life's changed, Adam. The shit is just different now. You're with Jake Paul or you're with Tyrone Woodley? No, no, it's a Trillet event. We fuck with Jake, though. We fuck with Jake, but.

Shout out, Mr. Zach is down with Jake's team. Shout out to Ryan, a co-owner of Trillin. He's following me on a Graham. Mr. Zach is the one that introduced us to Brian. You get what I'm saying? The owner of the other. Yeah, that's how a guy, Zach. And that's how everything happened for us. And then, you know what we're going to support.

We're not walking out of fighter, but we're going to be sitting ringside supporting. I thought he's walking out. That's all good. Mom, my fault. You know that. You know that. That song Best Out that we walked the fighter out, Michael Hunter that knocked the guy out is the same song that's on a game called Fight Night that people used to, you love that.

Yeah. That's my shit, though. Fight Night, fight night. Five Night three. Everybody remembers best. out from Fight Night. But, yo, that was on Fight Night? Yeah, that was on Fight Night.

So that's what, yeah, that's what's crazy. So we walked a fight out that knocked the dude out. So we're letting everybody that, every boxer know. If you want to, you want to, you want to knock somebody out, let him get a shit off. You want to knock somebody out? Let him walk out to Best Out. Right. Because Fight Night, Mike O'Hunter.

Let's see what happened with the Jake Paul John. It's a good analogy. I didn't think about that, 40. It occurs to me that you guys are part of a very small percentage of African Americans who are going to be rooting for Jake Paul. I didn't say that. We're not, no, no, I ain't seen that. We're not supporting Trinlow. Oh, okay, support the event as a whole.

Yeah, as a whole. Shout out Woodley. Because, like, when Jake Paul fought Nate Robinson and Nate Robinson got brutally knocked out, you really saw a chorus of African American voices on Twitter. We're very upset about it. Yeah, we're not picking those sides. It really made for some great memes. Prop to whoever win. Yeah.

We made the best man win. We just supporting our brother Mr. Zach. Shout out to Ryan. And we're supporting Trello. That's all. Yes, sir. For sure. 40,

talk to me about the fucking battle rap shit. Tell me how I click on a battle last night because I'm like, oh my God, Ford to God battle my boy disaster. But then it was a virtual battle during COVID, right? And it was fucking, it wasn't like a beat, but it was like a weird Halloween soundtrack in the background. Shout to my brother Chris Chowell's.

He had edited that for him. How did you do that? How did you start picking up those bags? I know that's a good bag right there, right? I know Bruce K you did that. Yeah. Shout out to RBE. My boy, his name is Adam as well.

Okay. I tease him, ARP. And, you know, he just put that together that he thought it'd be cool for me to, you know, he just brought me back to battle rap. And I felt like not too many people could do that, like from regular. rap because it's a whole different world so put me back to activated like back to fight club 40 and you put on okay and i did my thing yeah and shout to my mate like um jr was a huge um helping that because he he was like in my ear like come on do it me it's a bag it's a bag i'm like i'm not a battle rapper

no more you know what i'm saying but i ain't gonna lie he he got a ill battery like that dude right So his battery, if Rao could tell you, his battery is crazy. I'm like, you know, do it. I can see you too as well. I think he own stock and door cell. Bro, you can't tell me that they wouldn't be ready to have Hell Rel going against one of these dudes or J.R. Riter going against one of these dudes. Bro, I bet that would be a huge, like, you see Cassidy coming doing that and shit?

I was just being off the back. Yesterday. He said, yo, told to Jay, I didn't bring it up to you. He like, Tell Wright or getting in the ring, man. I got a big bag for him. I'm like, yo, man, writer's blessed right now. Bro, a whole battle where it's all y'all and maybe even some other diplomats members

who are fucking battling actual battlewriters? That'd be still getting a ring for Hondo. Oh, I would tune in for that one. I need a Hondo, though. I get the ring for Hondo. I'll be on stage. I'm not punched somebody. But I want my hundred up front, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to need the money up front because we might have to spread this bitch up. Yeah. No back end. I want to eat the hundred up front. And we're going to put on the motherfucker show. But yeah, shouts to smack.

Shouts to RBE. Shout out to all the league, you know. I respect battle rap. We respect them. We respect them. We watched them. W.R.G.B. I got a lot of requests, like, as far as the battle and a lot of offers.

Bro, hell rel, daylight. Oh, my gosh. Hell rel and daylight. I would never battle daylight. He takes the shit on the stage again? I would never better day. Nah, nah. I never battled to battle me too.

That thing is too complex, man. I told him, I said, I said, you like, I told him before, before he started doing like the weird stuff, but he started battling regularly. A lot of street niggas can't relate that, but you gotta be a real lyrical person to really understand Daylight, man. He's a fucking genius. You gotta be a genius to understand the genius. Shout out Daylight. He could be fertile a motherfucker.

He'll have you just like, ah, I don't know what the fucking is saying. When the nigger twerk, when the nigga had to dress with the chopper, I said, nah, this niggas is different. Oh my God. But I said this era was, like the shit that niggas doing this era, we would never doing our era. Right. Never. I will never wear a fucking blouse. No.

But no disrespect. Who wore a blouse? To anybody who does it in this era. Oh. No, I'm just saying. No, but that's for better. Who's that shot at? Who's that gun?

That's not a shot at nobody. Or was it Conway? Who were the drugs? See, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam. Adam. Adam. Oh, now, we fuck with Gelseld. This is a very big platform.

Don't start. No beef. Don't do that. Adam, don't put words in my mouth. Well, that's really what this is all about, don't you think? I know, I know, I know, I know. Adam, like, what the fuck y'all diggers came for? What the fuck you're here for?

We just hear the Instagram. Nah, and that's not the case. Yeah, but shout out of the Guzelda, you know? Shout out to Guzel though, but I think we influenced their music. I spoke to Benny Butcher. He said, bro, you did a drop for my first mixtape, and I ain't even remember that shit. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, wow, Benny, that's what's up. You saw, nigga. You win it right now. Congratulations. And I ain't even remember I did a drop for his first McSaber. I actually was tripping when I first, like, heard writer on more, you know, that style production. Oh, with 38th, shouts to 38th special. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you feel about hopping on that kind of beat? Because that is sort of like to, it's like its own separate lane or rap these days. It was different for me because it was like, it was like plain, plain, plain, playing, like playing and you know what I mean but once I got into it like I'm like ooh now I like this

you know because a lot of the beats sound you know a lot of the beats sound the same you get what I'm saying as far as the drums it's super slow but you know once I got in that in that groove you know I sent the record over the 38th special no matter of fact I pulled up to his crib you got a studio in his crib and jersey and um we put the record record together like that and yeah It was dope. For sure. For sure. How do y'all feel when you look at like the overall state of hip hop in New York in particular

these days, though? Does you find it inspiring? It's diverse. It's diverse. It's diverse. It's diverse. You got your drill. You got your...

I like it all. You got your backpack. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Rowdy Rebel is one of my favorite rappers in New York. You know, one thing I do like, I like the fact that the gangsters now were dancing. I'm saying. A little fun.

Gangsters dance now. It wasn't cool for a gangster to dance. It was for Alley, though, not in New York. Yeah, like, if you crick walking, maybe, like, you know what I'm saying? Like that guy was cool. Niggas was boo-y-y-old. Yeah, it was doing a, like, it was all type of shit, all that. You know what I'm saying?

But, like, now, like, with the drill music, niggas got their dances and shit. Like, like, niggas do it. They do a little, like, thing with your foot in front of the foot, you. They ain't nothing so off about the only thing. I was going to say, I don't really want to see hell row doing that. You'll never see how we walk in now. That's not, that's not, that skipped our era.

But we was like, we're two-step era, like, you know what I'm saying? The little bros could do it, but not me. But you still got spitters. You guys, it's a mixture of everything. It's a mountain pot. As far as New York. It's a mountain pot. And even just in the rap game, I mean, the majority is, you know, it's not lyrical,

but you still got a nice amount of rappers that's still pushing the pen and still putting out quality music. You get what I'm saying? So I love it. I like adjusting. I like, you know what I mean? Just going to the rolling loud like I would tell you. telling you that inspired me to step out the box to do something like you know what I mean more crowd participation based you get what I'm saying so yeah definitely man these kids need to be

careful though that's all I want to say because they I've been hearing about these crazy-ass gang indictments going on out there incredible oh my god it is not a good time to be a criminal in New York City it's not right New York is a police state man mm it's a police state Yeah, just stay out of that. You know why is the unemployment then slowed up? It's over. People are used to getting money from that. Somebody slowed up.

I don't bring something down to you, Adam, and you're going to follow me and you're going to agree. Okay. New York is not gang compliant. L.A. is gang compliant. Can I break that down to you? Sure, yeah. If you go to the county in L.A., they're going to ask you if you are a gang member. and they're going to put you with your kind.

Okay. Blights over here, Crip module, Mexican module. New York doesn't give a fuck what gang you're in. They'll put you in a house with a Latin king, a blood, a Crip, and don't give a fuck what you are. So it's a lot of politics.

It's a lot of shit. Like, it'll be a Crip in New York jail. And he's like, why y'all? putting me in a jail with a fuck a bunch of bloods and I'm documented that I'm a Crip member, y'all trying to get me killed. So that's how guys in New York systems have loopholes. You're not supposed to go to a jail if you're a documented gang member and your ops are in that jail.

That's what's called separations. They don't post you put you in jails with people you have beef with. New York don't give a fuck. They'll put you in your blood and put you in a cell with a Crip. L.A. won't do that. Unless they want to fuel the fire. They want to see two bloods and crips kill each other. But according to protocol, they understand protocol.

When you go to L.A. County, there's a Mexican rep. There's an African-American rep. Am I lying? I haven't been. Well, my man's been to the county. In the county general, L.A., there's a Mexican rep. And the area nations and all the other people have to fall under the Mexican rep. And then there's a black rep. And then there's a black rep.

He represents the bloods and the crips. So a blood can have beef with a Crip in the streets, but in jail, they have to be friends because they're outnumbered by the Mexicans. So you're saying in New York is just all-out war in comparison. Just all-out war. It's just blood on blood. Just no fucking rules or regulases.

It's just we do what the fuck we want. You had to do any time recently? Recently, I did two state bids, Adam. What was the most recent one? 97R. 7193, 02R. 2050. Okay. Yes, sir. Yo, real quick, I'm going to tell you about some ops, though.

I mean, I just thought about this. Let me tell you who's an op? The L.A. cops is ops, man. Now, real quick, I wasn't going to bring this up, but me and J.R. was, we was out. We was active last night, right? we pull up to a spot called Diamond Dolls right there sure

shout out to Diamond Dolls in South Central right so it's a strip club and we were literally double parked for about a minute and cops just came and asked to say you don't post a double park here I said no problem

he said no no no hold on hold on hold on let me talk to you we like what like all right cool he comes to the car he said listen man This ain't nothing. Everything was like, this ain't going to be nothing. Just, what's your name?

Told him. He said, yo, you mind turning off the car? What? Say your eye, you know what? Because you get out the car and got any weapons on you? What are you talking about? Like, this all is, what do we do? We just double park.

So long story show, we're on the wall. Pause. About it on the strip club. Strip club again. Why you got to keep saying strip clubs? Huh? It's this trip club. Let him know what his tastes be.

No, no, listen. We didn't go inside. We said you had a group. I mean, whatever. It's called Diamond Dolls. We didn't even go inside because as soon as we pull up, we're getting harassed. We're on the wall. Getting searched, whatever the case may be.

And they just kept telling us, you know, it's normal procedure. It's normal procedure. They know where the strip club, the Diamond Dolls know we're doing this. My phone. Diamond dolls know we doing this. I said, so short story short, they let us go. They said, yo, listen, man.

Just letting y'all know, man, y'all want to be over here, this and that. We're like, all right. They left the people in front of the strip club, Diamond dolls, say, yo, what happened? They was harassing y'all? Yeah, he said, they tried to say that y'all was down with that. That's what y'all asked them to do. He said, nah, hell, no, they come here all the time harassing people. So the question I'm going to ask you, Adam, is this true, like, in the neighborhood?

I would say that, like, in South Central. if you're a couple of dudes of color in a fucking car outside of strip club, for sure they're going to guess that it could be a gang thing. And they are hella on gang members in L.A. They told me. Just black dudes in the hood in general, like the cops act like they want you to be under their fucking supervision. Like they want to be checking, you know, it's like, so that doesn't surprise me at all. I was getting upset and they told me like, dude, you know where you at?

I'm like, got you. I didn't even know what we was at. We were in a $60,000. He told me. movie was at. He said, listen, man, you're in South Central right now. He's trying to tell you that that area is where it goes down at. That's what he was saying. Yeah, yeah. So that's when I was like, you know what? That's understandable. I, 40, yeah, 40 had me, 40 have me in the hood. But yeah, nah. When stuff had like that

happens, I got to look at J-all going to hit me with the C. Once they realize that you guys weren't from there and that you were rappers from another area, I kind of assume that the cops probably like switched over a little bit to like being worried about your safety. No, as opposed to giving you a hard time. When they told you like you should be here, they're probably thinking like, like, you should be here for your own safety. The owners of the club and the bounces, they was recording with their cell phones.

So they tried to wrap it up. As soon as they start hearing certain things and they found out we wasn't a threat and we didn't have anything after they searched, legally searched the truck. They're ops, man. He told me to do too much. He said, you, face the wall the whole time. say, yo, what are we doing? You never see the NWA fucking movie, man?

Yeah, and I had to realize it was real, bro. That shit was in 1990, something. It still goes there. It's not like in New York anymore. You don't feel like, like, during the stop and frisca era, it was crazy for people get stopped. That's not more different. Hell, no, not no more, really.

Nobody has south searches you, not of that. Interesting. When I lived out there, that felt like that was more common. Not for double parking. It's a ticket all warning. It's a ticket or a warning. Your is it. New York has been defunded.

It's back to the 80s. You know why? Because a cop feels like, damn, I've been trying to get this cock suckle off the streets. He's been shooting people every fucking day, and I finally get him arrested. And due to barrel form, he gets put back out on the streets. So that makes the cops not want to fucking police the streets no more. So when he hear guns going off, I'm not going to get him locked up. His ass going to be back out tomorrow.

Right. So gunfire. Have you got Citizens app? You familiar with that? I heard about it, yeah. Oh my gosh. Shootings all over the fucking New York City. Damn.

And it's just horrible. I just stay at my house, man. I said it's like the city of guards. You ever see the movie City of Guards? Oh, I did see that, yeah. The Brazilian movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like when the OGs died off and the young niggas just took over the island and they just did whatever they wanted to do.

That's New York City, man. There's no OGs. The older niggas don't want no problems with them young boys. Who do? If you're 35, 40, that means you got kids, you have a respectable life. Who wants some issue with an 18, 19-year-old kid who has nothing to fucking lose, got access to a bunch of guns and 20-30 motherfuckers who think just like him? You were that kid, though, at one point, right?

I was. Yeah. I was, but I grew, and I understand that mentality, so I don't come around it. We need more kids who want to be YouTubers and TikTokers, not shoot them up, bang, bang, bad guys. Right. That's a fact. I would agree. But unfortunately, the music and the videos that they see creates this, you know, this.

You just took the blame. It's all you. It's all me. You put the blame on all of us. It's all me. Why would it be all me? Hell really have me ready to cover. You said it's the videos of the music.

But nah, I don't think, I don't think, because then you have to blame movies and things like that. Yeah, killer season. I think there's a parental advisory sticker on those projects that's being sold, man. Parental advisory stickers that everybody ignores. So that means the parents should be advising these kids not to listen to this stuff, correct? Right. Everybody knows the parental advisory. That means that somebody that is apparent,

Should be making sure they don't hear me talking about shooting up a motherfucking dope house. Yo, I was- As a parental advisory sticker for a reason, right, ma'am? I mean, let's follow the protocol. I was wanted to ask you how you ended up in those fucking early, like, little Reese videos and shit when the drill wave first started popping off in my head. I didn't know. I was like, yo, hell of the heart must be their supplier.

Niggas said supplier. So I flew all the way to Chicago to supply them with some fucking drugs up. You were probably back and forth all the time. It was just that time you popped in a video. How well, and a grim raper? Well, a guy that I know named Phantom

that I don't usually do, I don't do business no more. Took me out there. And he was telling me about the New York just the drills and shit. I don't know what the fuck was going on. When I went out there, that shit was like a whole other fucking world.

So I kind of got to see it. front before all the shit took place. I was mind-blown. I had four or five kids standing around me with 30 extendos. I've never seen an extender in my life. We don't carry extendos in New York. They might have a handgun

and might have eight bullets in it, 10 bullets. That's enough. Yeah, this thing I had a clip this long. Right. I'm like, no, we're gonna. You good, bro. You good, big bro. You good.

And it's like 45, 4, 5, 6, 7, niggas would extend those on them. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing, man? What the fuck am I at, man? And then another nigga come out with the motherfucker to stick and put it under the car. I'm like, you, there's too many

guns out here, man. It's dangerous being a hardest out. I know. I said, I said, this is before the coin, the phrase Chirac gets coined. Right. So I'm witnessing this shit.

And they're telling me, yeah, man, this little nigga right here got four bodies on his belt. This little nigga right here, man. He do all the drills because he's 13, so he can't do no jail time. So we sent him on all the murders. And I'm just watching and just listening. And when I went back in 2019 and 20, and I realized, I said, wow, I was really a part of Chicago fucking drill history.

I'm in actual documentaries, Adam. Yeah. on fucking Chicago drill fucking scenes and I'm around big, it's a dude named Big Law R-R-P Big Law it's like Big Durkanum's Big Homie

Got pitches with him, man and he's like one of the big homies of the BDs in Chicago and he came home and he tried to like organize the gang shit on the way it was in the old days and unfortunately

you know, the new generation wasn't respecting that, and he met his untimely demise. But it just bugged me out that I got pictures with this motherfucker. I'm like, damn, I got pitches with Little Dirk's big homie. I was in a mix to all this shit. I was in O'block. I didn't know I was in O'Block. And so I went back and looked at the old footage.

I'm like, I'm in O'Block. I'm walking through O'Block. I'm walking through Lamron. I'm walking through all these fucking. on the streets that I'm hearing in all these new raps. Right. So that shit is just amazing to me. Crazy.

Amazing. History. What year was that? I believe this was probably like 10,010, 11. I'm out of time Chief Keith first got signed. I think that's that shit I don't like out. Okay. Promo time.

Talk about it. What y'all got? What's coming up? Golden Triangle 2. Golden Triangle 1 is out already. I really rap 3. We're working on, well, I got my solo mixtape coming out, my solo album coming out.

I really rap 3 coming, and we're working on the Upstage Part 2. Big record is Adam. And we got this record called History. That's crazy. With me, Relling 40. We're about to shoot the video. We're about to shoot the video.

And Miami next week with Rage, I don't know if you heard of him, Director Rage, he just shot the Soldier Boy video with French Montana. Make it clap. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, so we shoot. I think he did Dr. Drum for you too? Yeah, he did Burr Corps for me with Lowell. Yeah, fire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got history. History. You know what I mean? But, yeah, 40, what you got coming? Like he said, Upstage 2. I have a battle platform that I, for like a local. called WRGB where people can tap in

and you know we pay people for battles that we that we set up and stuff like that so you can hit my Instagram it's 40 Cal if anybody's interested and you know I support the battle rap culture so that's what I do but like I said upstage two and the history joint telling you I think a lot of people is going to be

very excited to hear that how you say it's kind of like it's like what's the word I'm looking for when you when you it's nostalgic when you hear 40 Cal Halrell and J.R. going in

like how it back in the days like when you was like every verse was like that's crazy word they killed it. That's what people are definitely going to look forward to hearing and that's what we got so I can't wait for y'all to like the whole world

to like preview like I put a clip on my Instagram And he called me like, stop, not yet. And like a thousand people seen that. I ain't tell you, somebody hit me. It was like, yo, word, that's what you're doing? And I was like, nah, nah, nah, nah, no, chill out, chill out. Yeah, you're moving fast.

That's how static. I want everybody to see it, but, you know. But yeah, yeah, we got some fire music on the way. And then we got our solos, mixtapes, and albums. You know what I mean? We're still cooking. We're going to studio after this. Of the Golden Triangle, too, called the Real and Shit I have a Roller.

Shout out to the Golden Triangle. Title, Spotify, all streaming platforms. So please streaming. First single off to Golden Triangle Part 2. Sure. Thank you for having me, Adam, man. This is a dope-ass fucking interview, man. Appreciate you.

This is a joy. This is like a checklist. This is like a bucket list. This was like a- We did no jump-o-a-delicacy, you know? We gotta do it every time you come back. Yeah, that'd be dope. Can't wait.

We done with the album, video done, everything done. That'd be dope. I appreciate that, my guy. That's my fucking boy right now. It was a great experience just getting to revisit a lot of the classic stuff and just listening to all the new shit. Yes, sir. Getting ready for this because you guys are definitely some of my favorite rappers of all the time.

We appreciate that, bro. My God. We know you don't fuck with everybody. Nobody. We know that. Trust me, we know that. Listen, we had Adam in the hood. Let it be known we had you in the hood, a Harlem.

You're solidified. How you say it? Certified. Verified. Verified. Verified. Verified. It occurred to me at a moment there that like, maybe I'm not smart moving

around like this, but. That was fun. Yeah. Adam was crazy. My God. Anybody else would have did it had, would have had a shirt that said, I survived Harlem. Press.

Yo. Like with their fucking Afghanistan? What? What? Not you. Shopify jumping off the roof. Printing Wu-Tang shirts downstairs. That way.

That way. Hell, Ra. Appreciate you. J-R-rider. 40-Cal. Yes, sir. Appreciate you all. No jumper.

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