No Jumper - The HOODLUM Interview: Texas Upbringing, Lean, Selling His Own Orange Juice & More

Episode Date: March 9, 2022

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No Jumper coolest podcast on the world than today. I got a Texas icon in the making. We have hoodlum on the show. How you feel, man? Good. I appreciate it for. Appreciate you. No doubt.

We got the first ever interview. Not for real, especially. I bet you think that I ain't never been to San Antonio. Have you? Yeah, because I stayed out in Austin for a few months of my life. And I've actually been to Austin lately. That's like an hour away. Yeah, but we used to be going out there all the time to ride.

And we knew girls that lived out there and shit. So I'm at least vaguely familiar with it. You like it? Yeah. I mean, I ain't really been around like. like the trenches or whatever. I don't know where you'd be hanging out at out there, but it was nice.

I'm from the south side. Indian Creek, X2. It's a nice college town, the part that I was in. Oh, see, I've never seen the college town. You never been over there. No, not like that. Not like that. Really?

You just stay on your side? Yeah, like the south side's more the bottom. Like, the south side kind of like the bottom. And then you go to the southwest. It gets rule. Really? Yeah, so I don't know. So how would you describe our people?

Because, like, a lot of people understand that Austin is like this weird, white liberal fucking chunk of it all got the same like mustache yeah but if you stop at the gas station like 45 minutes outside of austin you're in texas so describe san antonia for the people out there man san Antonio really well the south side of san Antonio i feel like it's beautiful it's like a different world it's a different world but it's beautiful i love it i love everything about it right okay So your upbringing in particular, though, you grew up with both parents? Yeah, I got both parents. Okay.

And did you grow up? Like, what kind of house or environment? Shit, like, more like a rule. Like, it's the hood, but it's like a section. So, like, it's weird in a sense. So you can go, you can go, like, the southwest side. Indian Creek and everything like that. That's where we really ran around and everything.

But, like, if you go, like, more, like, to my mom. I moved out, like, probably 14. Oh, really? Yeah, so, like, my mom's side is just a rule of, like, nothing but immigrants. Like, it's a neighborhood you go to. It's kind of in the middle of the country, and there's nothing, but it's, like, people don't really even got floors and shit. Like, there's mud on the floors and, like, everything.

But, like, it's rule. So it's that side, and then you got that side. Like, I grew up in the creek over there. But on our side, over there, my mom's side, you only got street lights. Really? Like, you need to stay. You got your parents telling you every day, man, you stay out too late. What a fucking come get you.

They're going to be calling your name for the trees and shit. Who's going to come getting? What's her? The Owlady. What's her? You know what I'm talking about right? The hour lady? The truth, man.

Who's that? You don't know about that? No. It's like a Mexican. It's amazing. Yeah. Oh. That kind of gets you.

Like my dad grew up in, um, fucking, there's a, there's a area called, like, Las Bombers on the West Side. There used to be, um, a project's right there. He grew up right there. And he used to tell me, my grandma used to be like, And you stay up as one, she's gonna come get you. Like, she's gonna say your name. She gonna say your name.

But aren't there a bunch of like Mexican folk tales like that about like some of the crazy serpent that's gonna come get you? Yes, that one. Yeah, yeah. We got the crying lady. That's the big one. Like, yeah, looking for her baby. We got all this shit. Yeah.

And they tell you that when you're like four years old. The bus and shit. The bus and shit is in San Antonio. Yeah. Oh, we got the bus in San Antonio where a bunch of kids died? Yeah, you don't put on the train tracks and shit. A bunch of kids died on a bus. Yeah.

It's like content or some shit. Yeah, they're like, what is it? They tell you, go put some baby powder. Yeah, you'll see like hair powder on your bumper. They'll push you over. Wow. There's a lot of folk tales going on out there, huh? That's crazy.

We got the donkey lady. We got a, what? We got a donkey lady. You ever been to a donkey show? No. No. No. Okay.

But what, what did the donkey lady do? She's a donkey. She's a donkey or she, like, did something with a donkey? Nah, I don't know. I don't really get it. Like, it's called, like, like the donkey lady brids and like i don't know you're supposed to go and you'll hear her fucking breathe and then kick her legs what's the god i like that introduce us your man's here

that's my daughter's sad he'd be helping me with all like the business i he don't want to help me do the oranges so we got cbd like we did orange flavored cmc and we're making drink too like but like cbcd versions and drink and set okay putting bottles like this nice really help around everything that's what's up my daughter he got the biggest gym in america Biggest gym? Damn. The biggest gym. The world gym.

In Texas City, we just opened. Wow. The biggest work. We got a tribute to Venice Beach. We got an outside. Muscle Beach over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been by there a few times.

It's pretty crazy. Yeah. So we try to bring that back home because... That's one of the first places I came to is Kelly. All these muscle heads just working out on the beach. It's a crazy thing to see. I don't like doing Coke and going out to go work out on a beach like that. I mean, I would not want like hundreds of tourists to watch me working out.

Yeah, they do. But they do, I guess. They put on shows and shit. Like, they'll be putting on shows. They got some big or strong. Oh, we got a Mexican Elvis. How's that work? He just woke up one day and he was like, I'm Elvis.

He got so he got some guitar that's like made out of cardboard. Right. And walk around downtown, they let him do whatever the fuck he wants. Wow. There's Elvis impersonators all over the world. They got a mirror of him right next to mine. Like, they got a mirror to me. They got a mirror on me.

Nipsey and they got a mural of him right in this fucking mind. Yeah, a mural of you already? I heard about this. But I didn't know it was like next to Nipsey and Mexican Elvis. Yeah. There's a lick. That's love. You got to think about it though.

We're from San Antonio. I'm the first person here that I haven't even do this. Right. I was the first one in San Antonio to be on pitchfork, all that. Like, it's. That was one thing. I started to realize when I was Googling you and looking at your show on YouTube is I saw like a couple videos from like random ass San Antonio.

residents, one of them was wearing a mask talking crazy shit about you. And I'm like, oh, fuck. These are, like, people who are really upset that San Antonio has a lit rapper. Yeah, I don't know. But that's how it is, especially, like, it's real crabs in a bucket.

But that's anywhere you go. Like, anywhere you go. But especially in the part where there's not too many people. You know, but we do have people. Right. We have smart-ass people. So what was your life? like as a young man like you know what did you see for yourself while you're going through elementary

school and shit to elementary shit i'm gonna be real shot i went to on pew road it was called not purode my motherfucking bad yeah actually i think it was pure old but uh no pin road my bad it was a it was a catholic school i went i went as pre-k and a catholic school i started there i hated it i Like, my mom, my mom, she was like, bro, the nun. I remember there was a nun. It would trip me to fuck out. I was like, there's a nun. But in the same time it's in the hood.

Like, I'm over here petting a dog from a broken fence and a nun yelling at me type of shit. But, no, I hate that shit. I remember they told me, they told my mom, hey, you got to come get him. Like, he's in the corner on the phone saying he hates it here. And it was just a trip. And then kindergarten and all through that, I was real, just hyper kid. I heard ADHD like bad. So your mom thought that she was going to save you from the underworld by throwing you in Catholic school?

It was close to her work and it was free. So she was like, hey, buddy. Hey, you got to go here. You got to get here at 4 in the morning and it don't start to like 7. But I'm going to leave you here. Right. But yeah. Were you always a troubled kid?

We always getting in trouble and shit? I was a hyper kid. So like it was like, I don't know. Everything. I remember trying to run from school in kindergarten. Like I would run. And they would have to come get me and say they're like, oh, I remember in kindergarten, you know how they had class pets and shit. We had a fucking, because you're in Texas.

We had a random snake. Like, did they just picked up and put in a cage? Wow. Made me sleep next to it. I fed it markers. I fed it markers. I swear to God. The snake?

Yeah. So it had a mark. Like, did shit it out? Every day, every day they'll make me sit by it. I'll pull a marker and I'll throw it in this fucking cage. And it just died. Yeah. You didn't have no food.

my boy. It died. At Pita. Peter has entered the chat. Holy shit. Kill the snake. Kill the snake. Piss. Wow. That's crazy. Even when you said like running from the school when I think about it when I was in kindergarten, I was like two, three blocks from my house, but it never occurred to me that I could just leave. You could just leave. Yeah, you could just leave. You could just run. Like, it was on my ass. So I remember the art teacher came and got me. Wow. My grandma about my shirt.

That's badass right there. I'm not going to lie. I'm impressed. But even as a kid, though, like, man, I started smoking weed and everything like 10 years old. Uh-huh. So, yeah, even when, like, drink, drink was real heavy, like, especially when we was younger. I was getting there for dirt cheap. I started to drink at my fifth grade summer.

Really? Yeah. Who put you on to it? My older partner. Okay. And my older cousin was ready getting it. And then fucking in that rural neighborhood, we call it dog town. But, like, we had an old lady that would just give us prescription, like, $20.

$10. Wow. So who was on it? You still talk to her? She might still have some scripts. She probably gone. I'm going to be right with you. She probably gone.

Probably drank too much lean. Rice and piece. Telling on her bills. Resubes to her and the snake. God damn. What was your first time smoking weed like? And what was your first time drinking lean like? Like, did it stand out to you?

Like, wow, this is some crazy-ass shit right here. My first time smoking weed, I was like, man, I remember we used to have like a Like a, it was like an abandoned train type shit. Like the cart and every time we were going to steal shit, we put it in the train. I remember we were smoking weed in that hell. And I was like, but I was wondering to get high though. When I was a kid, I remember my parents called me fucking rolling up grass. I rode grass up trying to smoke me like.

I saw somebody like smoking a bong in a movie or some shit. So I went down and I found some leaves and I stuffed them in a plastic bottle. And I tried to like light the bottom of the bottle. like see what would happen about breathed in some of the and it's like it's burning plastic I don't know really what I was thinking it was going to happen but it felt good not

as a kid though what I was smoking that grass like yeah this is it this is why I'm here this is it for sure so but was it all good clean fun with your older homies were they just like you know

telling you about weed and lean they weren't like sending you on a drive by or none no I remember, like, breaking in the houses and shit like that. Good nature's stuff. Good nature stuff. Yeah. Running around.

So at that time, had you spent any time thinking about, like, what you might end up doing when you got older? I wanted to rap. I remember it. You always wanted to rap. My brother was rapper. My brother was a rapper. He's like 40-something now. Yeah, I wanted to rap.

I was like, damn. It's motherfucking. Man, I was good at basketball, though. I got 28 points one time. Really? Swear the, I was hot. too 28 points I'll just weed

no I was sipping drink that whole time the fucking Gatorade rains like them shitty ass purple ones wow hey man I was I was high 28 points you were just loving what did you like so much about getting fucked up early on that you just gravitated towards it like that kind of like like I like

even when weed I hate head weed I can't I don't know what it is you're going to get slumped yeah he got it's like that because you have this like up personality I thought it's the same thing with me. Like the first time I took a Xanax, I was like, oh, this is it. This is it. So I'm here.

You know, like this is, this fixes what's wrong with me? Like, I have too much energy. I take this, boom, it fucking settles me down. But, you know, not to say that that's a good thing, but definitely, like, there's different personality types. And a lot of people are really, like, reserved, and then they do some Coke and they fucking talk like crazy. And they love it. They fucking think this is it. This is it for me.

And then they end up in rehab. Fucking plenty. Yeah? Yeah. hell yeah the ones in the head would be funny as foot there's one who comes he looked like Jersey Shore the Mustang and all the fucking funniest shit right Jesus um so were you you were selling drugs from early on too or so yeah we started weed right when did you start actually uh going for it in regards to the rap

So I used to sell weed to someone that was in the neighborhood that rapped already. He was ready cold and he had a studio and shit. And I always freestyle. That was my own shit, I always freestyle. So I was like, man, I want to do this shit. And then my other partner was like, bro, we can record in my house and buy it. So I remember selling my little weed, bought this little like blue mic. Like it was like a $70 one that just sat on the table, put it in a fucking shoebox.

I remember we recorded on Audacity. Like, there was an old one. I don't know what the fuck I was doing but I remember doing it and then when I finally got able to go like record somewhere I was like man I don't do nothing else really but shit I want a soccer championship too around the same time or what on the same time I'm athletic as fuck that you guys them I tell this story every time 28 points you know it was worse scored 28 points and they would they would tell the people on on the fucking intercom I'm like, hey, they would announce the points. I don't know what the fuck. They didn't announce my points that day. I remember going to the coach.

Like, bro, I just put up 28 fucking points for y'all. They should get your stats on the intercombs? They didn't hear nothing. That's harsh. I was hot. He knew I was high. I would be falling asleep on the fucking bench. I was hot.

I was hot. And then in athletics, you had to do two sports. You had to do three sports. I play soccer too. But so they would blow the whistle and you'd be in the game all of a sudden and you would just be able to sort of snap out of it and forget about the fact that you were slumped five seconds ago cold cold cold i'm telling me i'm telling me what what i could golf too that's a sign of a champion honestly

i ate whitties no i didn't i mean when you look at rappers like Gucci or boosie or whoever who were like ridiculously fucked up on lean for all those years and they also were able to make all that music staying up till eight in the morning making fucking classic record records. Whereas like for me, if I drink a fucking deuce, I'm done. I'm sleeping for 10 fucking hours and I'm just not even going to be the same the next day and shit. I don't know what it was, especially, I don't know as a kid. It was like you didn't abuse it. It was more like a thing like, all right, I'm going to sip this cup. I'm going to sip it like all kind of. I'm going to sip it all day through school and I'm going to have probably another one. I want to get home.

You could just be out there with a with a soda all day and they wouldn't be like thinking like, oh, that sprites a few shades too dark. Gatorade. The purple, the purple Gatorade, the rain one. You never know. What? All day. High. That confuses me when I see people pouring up on a Coca-Cola, too.

Because it's too dark. You can't really tell? I don't really like doing soda and shit. You don't? What do the fuck you put in in? The orange juice? Vitamin water. Vitamin water.

Okay. That's shit good. I'll try to put it in a diet soda before, and I wasn't really fucking with it. I put in sweet tea before. Really? Lemonade. Lemonade. That's a dumb ass.

I'm sitting drinking it on a hot day with ice. Like, oh, yeah, eating food and shit. Fucking dumb ass. My heart stopped. So I kind of like, yeah, slow down. My heart stopped in high school. You drank too much lean and your heart stuff? Well, I would lace blunts too.

Like, I would lace the inside, put the weed. I laced the outside. A bitch with a bubble. Like, and then we would be lacing like cigarettes, black of miles, put them on a window seal and get home from school. Smoking that. Wow. Swoking weed.

I don't know. happened one day in my heart's like I was at my mom's I was fun I smoked like four blunts in the house and then I was sipping all day and she called me she's like hey come to the kitchen I remember jumping the fuck up walk to the kitchen I open the fridge I fucking just I'm gone I would go to them throw a fucking alcohol point alcohol on my face my nose like fuck I was just passed out on floor I was what the fuck happened and then I didn't know I had asthma so when I had a go it's like the hospital over to like, hey, you have asthma, you forgot to tell yourself to breathe. And so, like, I didn't know.

Like, my brain was just, like, one there. Damn, asthma and lean, not a good combination. I never thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I fucking, I was gone. It's interesting when you say that, though, that you would just sip it all day,

because isn't that what people from Texas always pride themselves on is, like, being able to drink lean responsibly and not just completely fucking destroy yourself? yourself? Yeah, because if you can't handle it, you're a mess. You're asleep on the floor. It's a play of drugs. What it is. And fuck. Expensive's fuck. But really, every drug, too, is like a little bit of a test. Like, if you could do it and not be retarded off it, then that's kind of respectable, you know, even though a lot of drugs clearly you'd be better off just not doing them.

I'm putting pills, though. Don't? Nah, I don't. You used to? I used to sell them a lot. I remember telling kids at school, like, bro, I got these super bars and all of some oxies and hydrocodons and then fuck I threw up in front of my mom. I'm just like fuck sorry fuck and then

better luck next time but now I stopped I had like my little partner man we we was together since he was like 12 and he ended up dying when he was 18 off of bars too like overdose they freaked out threw him in a part and then they found him three days

later so like it always fucked me up I was like I I don't think I do this shit. Because you got to go to a funeral and like, you see your partner, like, he's our color, but like he's orange in the casket because I got to paint him because he fucking deteriorating and shit. Every person I've seen in the casket

fucks me up because they always look so different. Fux he up, right? Yeah, that's just scary. Especially if they, like, got fucked up, like, in how they died and they have to do, like, a lot of construction to make them look normal. Yeah, it fucks you up.

It's weird. Yeah. I feel it almost like that's something that they just don't need to do that. You know, like cremate me. Or even if I have a cremated. Well, I could have a funeral, but I don't really want everybody looking at my fucking weird looking corpse. I do. I want you to sit me up on the fucking chair.

Sick me up on a chair. Pickle you. You can stuff me. Put me in my house. Everybody got to move around with me. I always said that shit. You got to look at me. No, stand me up.

Put like a metal rod in me and stand me up like a maniket. Stand me up. Or like the skeleton that's on display in like science class. Yeah, put me up there. Strip my skin and organs away and just have my skeletons standing there. I remember seeing that. Put me in the seventh grade science class. I see somebody sitting down.

I see someone sitting down. It was a kid in Puerto Rico that died and his family, his family fucking sat him up in the tear and fucking polo down. Wow. You've been to Puerto Rico? Nah. No. You just seen a picture of it or something?

Yeah, I got family out there. Oh. No, I never been that. So you're. Puerto Rican and Mexican? Yeah. Nice. More Mexican.

Because I grew up on the East Coast where no Mexican people, it was all Puerto Rican people, Dominican. Like New York. Yeah, they don't got good Mexican food. I'm sorry. Probably fair, yeah. They got good food everywhere else. I didn't even know about avocados and shit

until I moved out here. For real? Yeah, we weren't really fucking with them. My favorite shit is Mola. It's my favorite. Give it to me my last meal. What is that exactly? It's like chicken, but it got sauce on it.

Okay, but sometimes it can be spicy you can make it like sweet and some people make this little peanut butter Yeah, that's gross. I can't fucking peanut butter on you're making this shit like that for sure How you do making my last meal so Claudius when did you uh just like when you started rapping when said like 13 okay 13 when did you start actually making some music that people were fucking with though 17 16 not 16 everyone really rap he rap that's my cameraman right there's my brother

he was rapping wait what's his name ace oh that's the shooter okay well I didn't even know I was one I was gonna ask him about I didn't know what he looked like yeah he was rapping too so I don't know it just it took some time I remember we sat back one day and was like man what the fuck we were fin to do I think we took shrooms right

We took drones and like what the friend to do? And we was doing a bunch of shit. So we had bread. Like, we're doing all the own shit. And he was like, man, I don't get a camera. I was like, all right, fuck it. So that was the plan? I'm a rap and you're going to film?

That's a plan. That's pretty sick. It worked. Like, I never paid for promo. I never done marketing. I don't really know how to work a fucking computer. Like, we just dropped it. But at the same time before that, everyone knew I kind of rap.

And then even when I was selling my little weed or whatever, I would make CDs. I'd be like, right here. you can have that it was like five songs random shit and then we're like all right yeah this is hard

well were we rapping about it first and you could start smoking now we're past the YouTube period where they don't want to smoke same shit I'm rubbing about now pretty much the streets the environment

the south side of San Antonio San Antonio in general but Texas in general do you feel like it's on you to represent where you're from because there's not necessarily like a huge music scene coming from out of

there. I feel like, yeah, not only that, and just because I'm brown too. Like, I'm Mexican, I don't want to be known as like, all right, I'm a Mexican robber. Like, no, I'm not. I'm a rapper. I can wrap my fucking ass off. You ain't fin to tell me I'm not. Right. So, like, that's my, and being like, I'm the only one really that ever did something on a big level, even to like, the only other person we had that ever did something on a big, big level was Blake. Right. And other than that, just, is that we have a lot of hood legends. Like, you know, we have like a lavala like collie and all them day they was really there were you cool with blake and is he still around cool no problem he's still he's still he's still making music he bray he got

bray he's smart so like i don't even have to do that type of but he wouldn't really like a street rapper right um you don't go to say I'm encouraging you talk shit right there um he's gonna shout out to him I think I'm I met him for him huh what you say What is? You guys? Mixing the joints and the blunts. Which would you prefer? I try joints.

So, so bad. Even when I started smoking weed when I was a kid, I was smoking blunt. Swish was 59 size at the store. And then the store, like that neighborhood was so rural. Everything was like, bro, you can, you fucking, that's how you're blunt and a beer at like 12. Sometimes I look into the wood pack and then, you know, there's like one dark wood. And then there's like four light-ass ones. and I just so don't even want to smoke the light ones

that I feel like this pack only has one wood in it. I don't know what's up with me then? I smoke the fuck ever. I don't even be washing them. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to be real with you. I don't be giving a fuck. I used to smoke the fuck out of you.

We used to have hood wraps. He would come with like five blunts. But it was like a backwood back in the day. Man, we used to have those. I smoked the fuck out of those. Right. I like duches. I like Swishers a lot.

That's cool that you know, mine. Because I feel like most people get into a routine and they just sort of rock like that. I just don't like pipes. I never was like, oh, let me go get a fucking bung or some shit. Yeah. It was more like when you go to a party, you see like the white kids or like the rich kids. They've been pulling bongs out and shit. Yeah.

I'd be telling them to put soda in it just so I can see him fuck it up. Oh, yeah. Shit going to taste a girl. He did a deb, boy. Huh? Yeah. Just how I like devs. You don't like them?

They make you sweat. That's a lot, yeah. Like, what the fuck I want to sweat for you? But sometimes I want to get that high. Yeah. And realistically, even if I sit here and face a whole blunt, I'm not going to get as high as you get when you hit the dab and you're like a different high though. Yeah. But sometimes I crave it.

Like smoking up. The pen's cool. The pen, yeah. It's not bad. I've gone through a lot of pen phases in my life. But, you know, this big chief, definitely. You have some of those creative weed packaging right here. I never seen.

Like, why is this weed just called? Toothpaste. I don't know. It's all right. Gassius Clay. I like this one, too. This one, right. It's Jesus on a BMX bike and it says cross-faded.

Marketing. I stand. This is fucking lit to me right here. This is the shit you brought from Texas? Nah, fucking. You got this out here. A buddy down the street. Oh, okay, nice.

That's good to hear. Damn, it's Waggoo. We got the Whagoo. We got the triple scoop. We got the fucking Hancho Lato. Shout out to Big Chief. They'd be providing all of our cush. They have some good packaging on their pins and shit.

That's why we get those in Texas. Most of the most of it, we smoke Big Chief. For sure. So. Good weed in Texas. Yeah? Do you hate that people think you don't? We get good fucking weed.

And this weed, like, bro, I can get, like, a lot of weed just for, like, the shit we'd be getting in here. Like, it's crazy. I mean, there's not a lot stopping me from putting 10 pounds of weed in my trunk and driving to Texas, you know? I could get pulled over for sure. You know, there's... You have the speed limit.

Yeah, I'm just saying, like, you know, it's like, yeah, maybe on average California might have better weed, but if you know what the fuck is going on. We got weed. Yeah. I mean, there's some trash weed out here, too. There is. Believe it or not. Yeah, there is.

I fucking, they show me some weed in the glass. I'm like, all right, I'm going to get it. And then I go home, I open that bitch. It's like brown. I was like, bra. I just pay $70 for this. It's brown. Yeah.

Wow. A big part of the problem out here, too, though, is if you go to the league. weed shops that you could definitely get something like an $80 eighth or whatever so you really need to have some street plugs out here because otherwise you are just going to be getting taxed to a level that is just ridiculous and it's not like his money's even going to the dispensary most of that money's going to the fucking government yeah they're taxes that's crazy yeah for sure um okay so when did you start to like really get popping like your music videos started doing well and everything like that what's the first video the first video that did good was o j rant you talked

Kiki you, the postmates is here? Sorry. OJ, when we dropped out, the OJ song, it picked everything out. Really? Crazy. Okay. And so how do things change at that point,

or how did you start thinking differently about it? Put out more and more. And then, like, I don't know, my producer that would be making everything, like, really sat through, and I figured, like, even with the two videos in one, said, like, I did that because of, like, attention spans and all that.

Like, you didn't know me back then, so what the fuck I'm not gonna sit that's personally my thing like I took everything as like marketing like I can really finesse all I'm treat like you something drug man I'm finesse everything like if I don't know you I'm not gonna sit and listen to a four-minute song about you right you know what I'm saying but if I give you two songs they all right maybe I could keep your attention and then it built everything up there's been many times that we've been on stream watching people's videos and shit and we're watch one video and it has that second song built into it and we didn't even realize and all of a sudden we're like done the second song and we're like oh shit he just convinced us to listen to two

songs i'm sorry it's a good technique it's a technique for sure it worked when did you get your teeth done these i got like two months ago i had windows at first like windows yeah like people in mexico got windows like where it's like you see your tooth you know i mean you can see it like the the metal frame around it's like a frame yeah yeah yeah and so now you got what you got like jewels in the center one of the show? I got opals like a fire oboe like a Mexican fire oboe I got those and then just Thomas wow that's pretty badass how much you spent on it um 10 nice you feel like people treat you differently with it I was at go teeth even as a kid I had got too okay your parents didn't think that was crazy or anything yeah smoking weed already

your parents were powerless to stop you from smoking weed though I got I got my first tattoo and I was like fucking like 12 Where's that? On my finger. Oh, okay. No, 13, my baby. I'm my finger. You got a shillow tattoos now?

No, I've got my hands, my face. Right. They said you had a Lord Nose tattoo. You're a big Tupac fan? Yeah, a big Tupac. Really? That was your shit with you? I'd be listening to live and die in L.A. like every day.

That is a fucking classic. And then better days because DJ Screwed did all of them. So I was getting high listening to shit for a long time. Right. Well, that's interesting because a lot of, like, you know, Obviously, Texas has this ridiculously rich history of rap legends coming up from out of there. But sometimes when I talk to the younger rappers from Texas, I feel like they just don't give a fuck. And then they haven't, like, educated themselves to the history of that shit.

How did you think about that? Were you, like, going back and listening to songs from 20 years ago? I listen to a lot of shit. I was always, like, I was always kind of high. So I'll be listening. I'll fuck around and put DJ screw on, but I'm going to fuck around and put Eric by Dubey back on. I'm gonna put a Shaide back on or like a Curtis Mayfield type shit

and I would screw them like we would screw them so I'm listening to this shit screw like ah but even that like my first CD I ever bought was Outcast like Southern Playlist of Cadillade music because it had a naked bitch on it I'm gonna be real with you

and my mom I was like seven and my mom was like bro I'm gonna take this away and I was like nah that's my first thing but your mom couldn't tell you shit she was trying to take it away and you're just like nah now my pops was like no, it's hard.

It's hard. So when you listen to music, you slow down, you just literally slow it down. You don't like do anything else to it because obviously screw was doing all kinds of weird shit. Yeah, like chops and stuff. But when I,

even when I screwed, like, for the orange tape, I made the purple tape and it was all screwed. I just put it like, I just slowed it down. Because sometimes, like, if you really don't know how to chop music, it can give you a fucking headache.

I'm not going to lie because you, you haven't, like, you'd be trying to sing the song or shit, then it chops three or four times the same line. You're like, and you high, So you were just like, all right. Come on.

I have friends in Texas who fucking, they would just listen to the same song over and over and over slowed down so much. And I'm just like, what, like, it's cool. But at a certain point, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Listen to this Weezer song like a hundred times slowed down. If I listen to fucking everything, I'm telling you, like, I know all the park stuff. I was a real big, I was a real big outcast fan. I was a real big JZ fan too. I think one of the best rappers to live was A-Z.

Like, he's still alive, but A-Z, he was on Life's a Bits. So I was like... But Wayne, Wayne won't my favorite rappers. Really? He was big inspiration. He was big. Texas, he was huge. Wang. It's the South and General.

Right. It's interesting because in Texas, it's like you have Houston and Dallas. Obviously, Austin's a huge city, but I don't think of Austin as being like a hip-hop city, even though you go there on tour and shit and, like, you have a big fan. Any rappers popping in Dallas or Houston is going to have a fan base in Austin. But there's not rappers coming out of there, really, because is it not hood enough? There's not like dudes who are really, I don't know. I don't know, Quinn from there.

Quinn's art. Oh, really? Quinn, Quinn's from Austin. Awesome. Cool. Also, a lot of shows. Like, they really show you love in Austin. Right.

Yeah. Talk about show Winston, Austin, though. Exactly, but you don't think of any artists from there, right? No, uh-uh. Have you been to Southby? Yeah. You just went out of the fan back. No.

I remember doing it when it was like 15. Oh, really? Because before the pandemic, it was fucking, we had the illish show planned for Southby. And then it just got canceled. That's when I realized that COVID was real. Me too. I'm like, you guys are going to cancel this fucking show. We put all this time and work into.

And they're like, no, you don't understand. Like, nothing has happened. The rodeo got canceled in Houston, too, same time. That's not real. Because at first you're just seeing. people cancel stuff but you're like nah they're tripping they're just being overtly cautious etc you know yeah I remember when I when we did the when I signed the empire that was like um kind of towards the pandemic like right right we went to San Francisco it was like dead right

nothing was open like you couldn't do nothing like they're dead I went to San Francisco too like on a BMX trip like right before like right as the pandemic hit and I remember a cop was kicking us out of this federal building right because my homie's grinding this rail from with this building and the cop actually said he's like i got to kick you out of here but realistically you could do whatever the fuck you want because the shit is anarchy besides this yeah and in my whole life riding bikes and shit i never heard a cop say basically you could do whatever you want but this cop was just acknowledging he's like this realistically you know like i just realize like holy fuck these cops are just like us and they're looking at this like this might be

the end of the fucking world yeah yeah he's like fuck me up okay so for me I think when I first saw you, though, was when you did a song with Maxo. Yeah, that's my partner. When did that happen? How did you know him? When did that happen? Like a year ago. Yeah, we went cool from us, like, almost going on two years.

He had messing me on Instagram. He's like, by, I fuck with you. And I was like, man, I appreciate it. That's dope. He's keeping his eye on the streets. We built, like, a relationship. He wanted the rappers I fuck with, like, as a person. Like, I'm an adult.

His brother, Josh, I fuck with him. You got to be his with him, too, right? Yeah, I got music with him. We're doing like a little tape. He's my partner. They really like my partner. It's not like, already, even when we did the song, it was just like, I appreciate it. But it wasn't like, like, I don't know, like a homie.

It wasn't more, it wasn't like how a lot of this shit is. You know what I mean? But do you feel like you had a kinship or like a bond from the beginning because you guys technically represent the same flag, right? Huh? A lot of orange rags in the videos. Oh, I just love the color. Okay.

I love the color. I'm sure he would say the same. I love the color. Right. Beautiful color. Hmm. Have you had a lot of legal issues? Have you been arrested and shit?

It's for weed. Just for weed? Just for weed. Damn, really? That's it? Yeah. Are you hot out there? Like, the cops, like...

When I drop walk in, they hate him. Really? Because I had out of Uzi. The Uzi was, like, from Iraq. I'm brooch, but, yeah. It was on my ass. So I remember me and my girl went to go get food. and I was coming back on a highway on 35 out of light and one got behind me two pulled beside me and two pulled in front of me and this like they all hopped out was like fucking bounty hunters and like sheriffs and stuff wow and yeah and they I remember we got food at Chili's I remember that's it and they grabbed my food and dumped it on the floor that's fucked up dumped down the floor

and told her, they put me in the car automatically, just tell me where he has everything. Like, tell me where he has it. To your girl? Yeah, she's like, we got food and it's on the floor. Like, I mean, that's fucked up. You're going to make the fucking Chili's employee? Like, they already don't have the most glamorous job.

You're going to make them fucking clean. And it's not that good. Like, you just do not that good food on the floor. No, yeah. When I was already hungry, like, I'm about to eat this and it's not that good. Throw that bitch on the floor. Really? I think nobody should be going to Chili

that close to the Mexican border anyway, right? There's got to be a lot of other good Mexican options. That's not Mexican food, though. Right, but it's trying to sort of symbolize it. Taco Bell isn't. I never ate. I never ate Mexican food.

This is pasta. What the fuck is it? What's the pasta? He make an order, and it's live. It's live. I don't think the Mexicans are pasta, right? They don't got no, like, traditional Mexican pasta. No.

We have, like, Fidel and, like, manudo and shit. That's not pasta. Right That's our pasta Wait, but you know From our perspective We always think as Texas Is where you could just have any gun

You don't need a permit or none You're like 15 years old You can have an AK It's fine What were they on you for though On what? The oozing? Yeah

It's an automatic oozing Oh okay You can't You can't automatic And it's from our rate Oh okay So there's different rules For automatic weapons

You can see in the video A bitch is old Right It looks like it went through everything damn for sure but besides that you stayed out of the shit for most part yeah

that's good to hear um did you change your name of support were you south side hood them at first no you want to know what the fuck happened what happened I was trying to do the I don't know nothing about computers

I was trying to do like put your songs on shit what my Instagram name I thought I was asking for like a username name. I put South Island and came out like that. I was like, fuck. I don't want this. That's just my Instagram name.

But I fucked up. Like, I put it in now, like, I would have to delete everything and change it, and I can't do it. It probably would have been hard to get just at hoodlum, though. I don't know. Unless, like, Instagram just came out. Oh, no, yeah. It would have been hard. I couldn't get that.

But South Island. Where did you get that name anyway? What? South Island. No, just Hoodlum. That's a hard. I like that name, though. That's a hard name. It's nice and simple.

People just call you that. I remember. Yeah. I got called that my whole life. That's why I think it's cool. You just call you that and it stuck. Come on. Let's go.

Right. No, that's a cool rap name because I feel like you felt up a rap name right there that nobody else has used in the history of rap. I'm probably wrong. There's probably some guy from the 80s, whatever, but, you know, that's pretty cool. I appreciate it. Most rap names, there's like 100 guys named that. Yeah. Yeah.

It's crazy. the whole thing um okay so i i also saw that uh you get like billboards around san antonio or whatever like yeah when we did the my job the project with empire we we put like two or three billboards okay it's cool but after that we did the mirror i think the mirror was more important to me than a billboard but it's cool just being from san Antonio like you have a billboard not long be doing that right do you feel like you get the love that you think you deserve out there at this point? Yeah. I think from my from my section I get a lot of love. I really do. We do a lot too. Like we did a lot of like givebacks and everything like you know why I can. Definitely.

You're saying that like San Antonio was like a college town. Do you feel like you get that appreciation from the like nonhood like white fan type people out there too? Like they see what you're doing and they fuck with it. Yeah. It's crazy. They buy everything. It's crazy. It's crazy. to see, especially when it started, it's crazy to see. Right. Even like shit, I got like four shows in Norway. That's fucking crazy.

Norway? But I'm on the South side. I don't know if I ever talked to a rapper about a bunch of shows in Norway. You haven't been out there though yet? Have you left the country? No, I've never been out the country. It's just lined up.

Just you or who else is on the shows? What the fuck? Norway going crazy. Crazy. For sure. Okay. Where did the making your own? orange did your shit come from money now just fucking yeah that son o j hoodlum orange 100% real fresh squeezed

oj a k my buddy has a picture of an a k on it so the cops thought you had an a kid i guess that sort of makes sense 100% south side got a little cartoon of you little dog on there 16 fluid ounces exit 2 shake well and we sold the fuck out of them we started 10 dollars too really 30 dollars for the But that's what I'm saying. I get a lot of love from the city. It means a lot, too, because it's like the first to do a lot of shit. Like, fucking got a drink. Right.

Capitalized off a song. I didn't know fucking call it OJ, but I did. And it was like, man, we were sitting down like, fuck when I knew. We didn't capitalize off some shit. And a million ways to make money. That's what this whole shit's about. Right. Especially when you look at rappers now, it's like they get a name for themselves.

And then instead of just being like, how do I become the biggest rapper in the world? A lot of times they're thinking, like, How do I, you know, how do I basically like start businesses that can capitalize on the attention that I have right now? And yes, I'm going to keep making music and shit. But more importantly, I'm going to be figuring out how I could sell fucking orange juice. I don't know. I feel like it's a real like Texas thing. It's outside.

Hustlers. Everyone hustles. We got a million hustles. Maintly. Like, we just got a box truck. Like, I got a box truck. He got some too. this man

hustled with everything he got jams restaurants trucks fucking I'm from Houston but we have a location in San Antonio

we dropped those there that's kind of crazy that's dope I mean but being from Texas like Texas rappers are used to like

not necessarily getting the nationwide attention so that they got but meanwhile the Texas audience is big enough you could have a whole career without people necessarily

you could go platinum in the city Yeah, we go platinum just in the city Not millions of people in each Section Right They buy other consumers Everybody So love

But do you ever think about that Because a lot of people would be like Yeah, I got big fan base in Dallas But you know People don't know me outside of there And I want to get bigger So that you know I can go outside of that

That's a hard place to make it too though That's what be tripping me out though Because it's like We ain't put no nothing Like we I never did a promor I never marketed I never was like I never said no one

my fucking music. I never did none of that shit. We dropped it and then it built up in Texas, but it went bigger than that. And that's what tripped everyone out. Like, already went bigger than that. Like, this is a positive. I feel like Texas should be known nationwide. I feel like Maxo is a nationwide person. A national treasure. Yeah. I feel like Devin the dude is a, is a national treasure. Like, he up there. Scarface is one of the best rappers ever live. Trade the truth. Yeah. Trial. Zero. Zero. We can go all day. I'm crazy. Asian doll.

You hung out of her yet? Asian dog. She liked them gangsters, man. I don't know. How often you wear the du rag? What percentage of the time you rock the du rag? When I don't have a haircut. Oh, really?

That's where you're at? That's where I'm at. I got a haircut recently, though. Really? Your dreads are long as fuck, huh? You just get it, like, trimmed up around the base? Yeah, my dress is, like, probably right here. Really?

You've been growing them, like, as long as you've been rapping? Four years. Nice. That's far. Damn. That's fire. Yeah, what do you got coming? Like, what's coming down the pipe in terms of new shit that you're working on?

I got an album. I'm going to drop that. But then there's more videos and more shit. I'm going to do orange juice. Do merch all that. I never do merch anything really like that. I remember I would go get my, like, bubble jackets. I'll get them sprayed.

and then at one point people was like man let me buy that and I was like now you ain't gonna sell it but you won't buy it I charge you $250 right and shit more ways more ways to keep capitalizing off everything right with the empire thing though do you feel like that's going to help you really get your music out to a lot more people shit what empire yeah I feel like you help but at the same time like we were still kind of running everything We were still the machine.

Yeah, what do they help you with? It was like a project deal, so I did the project. Right. I liked it. So now you're doing shit totally independently, or you still? Yeah, now I felt like we can do it all ourselves. We started the label with like a silent partner. And I was like, man, come on, let's run it.

We can do it ourselves. I can do all this shit myself. That's dope. That's what it is. When you, how do you think of your fan base? What's the average Hildum fan? I don't know. Anybody. Anybody. It could be anybody.

And I appreciate it, too. Do you notice the Latino kids showing you more love, like that they look at you and they see a little bit of themselves? Yeah. It's cool, man. There's a little kid, too. He's, like, four. He'd be coming to everything, shows, everything.

I'd be picking him up, put him on my shoulder and I'll perform. Right. Oh, that shit. Like, they'd be looking at you, like, damn. You're doing that. Even, like, before, like, before this whole week before I came, like, And everyone was telling me shit like, hey, bro, you feel like everywhere I would go. They're like, hey, you're feeling like no jumper shit, right?

I'm like, yeah. And then like, man, you're doing something? That's lit. I'm glad to hear that. No, just because we don't, we don't really got a lot. Like, to come out of San Antonio is a lot harder than to come out a lot of places because we're not looked at it. You don't have that, like, base of, like, easy support. We're not looked at for that.

Like, it's all right. It's honestly just what Texas needs more of us. more like media, you know, obviously they do there, say cheese, and they got some other different options and everything, but more labels, more media, more like stuff, so that a person from Texas doesn't have to go to L.A. or New York to make it or whatever, that's the better. I think Austin's turning into that. That's something I never wanted to do, though. I didn't want to go somewhere to like make it anywhere. Right. I was like, man, we could do this from home.

Definitely. We really can. We got enough people. How do you think you landed on your rap style? because it's very unique you know it's kind of like whispery like evil menacing voice hi i listened a lot of oh wayne too is like a big influence like shit like shit like shit like the dear summers when he rapped on that right shit hard body like all of those trouble like pray to the lord like all them all them songs like that i kind of got a lot of of shit from. Got a lot of shit from there. I took a lot of shit from like the Dev and the dudes and shit. But I still like I feel like my beat choice is what got it too. Like, shit I was picking. But that's come, that comes from just being being a kid. Like you started smoking weed, all this

shit in the young age. So like, I knew it was good music. I was like, man, I could put this shit together. Right. Yeah. I feel like I could make a fucking beat, too, but I just don't know how to work on a computer. You don't actually gone for it yet? I know how to put samples together. Like, I could sample the fuck out of shit. I used to do that.

Like, when I didn't have beats, I was sampled some shit, and I would wrap over to assemble. I was thinking about that the other day, I was thinking I could learn to make beats. I'm not saying I would be good at it, but I could sit down with someone who knows how to do it, and they could probably teach me, and it probably wouldn't take that long for me to be able to make, like, okay beats. It's on a computer. Yeah. I mean, I know how to put fucking footage in final cut and chop it up. I don't know why. I can't put a bunch of noises in a row. It's got to have an ear.

That's all it is. What do you want to tell me about Ais the Shooter? It's my brother. You let him shoot with other people or is he confined to just Huddling? Just whatever he wants. It's my dog. You want to come talk? You want to swap him in here?

Come in here for a second. Tell me a little bit about shooting for Huddlam. It's my dog. We didn't know each of them like 13. Everybody who talks about Hildonim, they got to talk about Ais's a shooter, too. I know because I, bro, this is how I know you're lit in your section is because I was watching videos from randomized rappers. I never heard talking shit about you. And they were like, they're like, I gave Ace his name.

I'm like, damn, like, he must be doing something if you got like fucking other rappers just getting salty as fuck. Tell us a little bit about what it's been like watching his career grow. Shit, it's everything we talked about. Everything we planned all this shit before. We even put out a video. Shit. We talked about, oh, we about to do this.

We were going to be big. We about to put it on for the city type shit as homies. And we just manifested this shit. What age you guys become friends? 13. Like 13. Wow. Shit, I was rapping.

Really? Hell, yeah. Who was printing his CDs up? What made you want to put your attention on filming? Well, shit, when I was rapping, They had just cameraman in the city. Cameraman, a lot of people shooting videos. And I was like, man, I can do that.

I just picked up that shit, started doing it. And then I wasn't really passionate about that rap. And when you really want to get somewhere, you got to be passionate about that shit being in the studio. I was in and out that shit. But with this shit, he had the talent. I always believed to him. His flow was crazy.

I'm like, boy, you could be the hardest in the city. And that's what happened. That's dope. Yeah, I feel like with every videographer who's going to come up out of nothing, it's like there's got to be an artist that you're just tied to, that you just show the world what you can do with that artist. So does that motivate you to learn to be better as an editor, as a filmmaker, just knowing that his career is going up?

You want to keep making the videos better and better? Yeah, everything we just try to do bigger than what we've done. We feel like we just getting started. Yeah. I mean. I feel like I'm 5%. We like 5%. We're trying to get to 100%

That's dope. I feel like I'm 5%. That's good to hear, man. I think hopefully a lot more people find out about what you're doing right now through the interview and everything because I definitely, I see what you're doing it. There's a lot of integrity to it. I appreciate it a lot of.

The show. Anything else we should know about? What you want to know? I don't know, man. You got a girlfriend? Yeah. That's good. I got a daughter.

A daughter. How old? She's going on six months. Six months. Holy shit. Mine's 15 months. Yeah. Same ballpark.

Daughter. Mm-hmm. Like it. Amazing. Amazing. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. It's crazy. Should have been having a kid at 16.

I should have an old fleet of them by now. It's crazy. It's a trip. Yeah, it's bugged out. Really make you, do you feel like it makes you work harder, though? Just knowing like, shit, I really got something I got to earn money for now. Real. Real.

I look at this, like, even my partner over there, we look at it and say, I'm trying to get money for her grandkids. Right. I know she could be good, but I want her kids to be good, and I have more kids, I want their kids to be good type of shit.

How long have you been fucking with J.B.? Since around the same age. We all from the same time. Oh, really? I didn't know you knew him that well. Because he pulled up on me when I had a show one time in Dallas or some shit

was doing security for me. Yeah. Yeah, he told me. That's a good guy right there. I'm down. San Antonio Ties, man. I know, right? Yeah, he told me.

He showed me, I think he commented on the shit. We could have been. Where would you say? He said, we could have been down this. I don't even know why it happened. Then Laura hit you up, right? Yes. She got her here to the streets.

I appreciate it a lot, bro. She's in the trenches. For show. All right, I appreciate you guys for pulling up and best of luck with everything and everybody out there go run the Spotify up go run the Apple Music up

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