No Jumper - The Hoodrich Pablo Juan Interview

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

Hoodrich's growth has been evident since his first No Jumper interview! The Gucci Mane signee talks candidly about his lifestyle, his issues with other rappers, his latest project, how he navigates through fame, getting deeper into the music industry and potentially signing artists. ---- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I thought we gonna be able to smoke one. Damn, you, all right, no jambur coolest podcast in the world. You're a legendary blunt roller. They were asking me earlier today who my favorite person to smoke with ever on the podcast has been. And I said that I thought Rico Reckless rolled the best blunts. But now I'm looking at those things. I'm thinking you got to be up there for sure. For sure.

Top five. Top five. And I ain't two, three, or four. Or five. Because I feel like that's a big thing. If you could throw it at the wall and it doesn't break open, then you got to roll them tight. But sometimes, like, when you're doing backwood,

they be having stems in and so ain't nothing you can do. Ain't nothing you can do it, but you just got to, you got to be a professional, like you say, find a way around it. Anybody can roll a really good wood well, but if you have, like, not the best wood in the pack, it can be a challenge. Yeah, for sure.

They're the one we, that's the one you, let me tell you what you do with them. Put the motherfucker back in the pack. Then when somebody said, You got a wood. Yeah, for sure. I got you one. That's real.

There's always like one or two shitty ones in the pack so you just keep those on deck. But also, how do you feel about, like, hydrating your blunts? Do you do any sort of, like, rolling around in water? We will get it wet and then put it between two paper tiles and sort of roll it out. I think you depend on how fast you're trying to get high. That's real. You're rolling up in the car, you're trying to get high in the car. And you ain't got no sink and no napkin and all that.

So you're going to go on the hell of your business. But if you at the house you, you got a chance to do that, I think you should. Because it made the, like, when you're rolling up the blunt, it's going to have like, you see how little specks of a little backwoods, you'll avoid all that with the water and get all that off of there. The napkin definitely gets it off of there. Right. So now you're not worried about no tobacco falling off of the backwood. And it gives a nice little moisture to the backwood.

Right. Yeah, the moisture is what it's all about for me. Because you can really tell when you've got a dry-ass wood. Yeah. It's crazy, too, because when you're driving around, it's like, Guys will have $1,000 jeans on, but then the fucking whole shit is covered in weed and shit from just rolling up on there.

1,700. What kind of pants? He did Michael Mary joint. Okay, that's the new shit. I used to be a little bit more on them, but I figured out like all this shit looked good. I don't care if it $30. Because Meek said I could fit like 80 racks, Miami's.

You know what it is? No cap. He ain't lying because they got like a shot. The pockets. No, they got like a stretchable. You know, some jeans stiff where you can't move. It's hard to even get in your own pocket. And these are like the kind that you can stretch them to put them on,

stretch the pockets out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's easy. There you go. 80 racks, though, like, I don't know. In 20s? In 20s.

In 20s, you ain't going to be able to do that for sure. Right. Can't even get a 30 in there. You can. No, I'm tripping. You can use your back pockets. You might be able to go ahead. Who was saying that they performed with like little babies?

the other day and he had a hundred grand in his pocket i'm like what the fuck does that look like i don't know cap he keeps a hundred grand he's gonna do that for real you remember him from when he was a kid i wanted to call him a kid y'all way were grown to me right i've been known him for sure that's crazy a whole new generation of atlanta rappers just keeps coming up do you feel still like connected to that world are you not necessarily interested in sort of like that because when i think why the oh i think you hit the thing oh what whoops yerry can you turn the fucking an audio thing back on. So this is what happens when you interview a rapper with long-ass legs.

Oh, yeah, I did. They tap the button down there. I'm pretty sure the audio didn't cut out, though. No, no, it sounded good. It's just our headphones, my bad. All right. Okay, where were we? What were we talking about?

Oh, yeah, the Atlanta. Like, you still stay out there a lot? You still feel, like, connected to that whole world? Yeah, I'm connected, Atlanta, for sure. I ain't never going to not be connected, you know what I'm saying? I'm believing. Can't believe everything you hear and you see. You know what I live in the real world.

And it's a lot of people like, like real world, and then there's a lot of people living like a social media or Instagram world. Like even people around me, they go based off what they hear or what they see in that world, and I'd be going based off in my little daughter's straight or if he real, you know what I'm saying? I got to live in the real world.

So am I connected for sure? It's a lot of real people standing around. Why is the new tape called DMV? DMV, dope money violence. I figured that. That's a good question. I like that question. I called it DMV just because I feel like DMV were the first place, just DC, that was the

first place I ever went when I came from out of town. They showed me like love, you know, but you know, shit happened. So shit be like different, but I'm just putting the world down like, dope money violent. There been a title I've been supposed to drop and I kind of fell back on it like, now I ain't going to drop that. But my fans, that's who run, like, that's who's going to always put me down. Like, what you're doing, blow? We need DMV.

They keep asking for it and I ain't even know y'all knew about that or wanted that. So they kept asking, care asking. But was it like specific songs that were supposed to always be on that project because there's a certain style that for that project? That's what it is. Yeah, that's what it was. It was a certain style of music. And when I say dope money violence, I don't want to be mis-and-screwed.

Like, I'm celebrating people who want dope or get money or that's violent. I'm just letting you know that's what we came up from. That's all we singed. So that's the story that you've been to hear. Well, I always heard, like, Pablo early in your career, sort of went to the DMV, spent a lot of time there, got hella tapped in, and sort of like were influenced to a certain degree by some of the flows that were coming out of there, and that that was the first place where you kind of really started to blow up.

Is that accurate? For sure, accurate. But me, I'm not big on credit. Like, I'm not the type of person that's going to say, these people got my flow or I feel like when somebody see something they like, if I see something, like, if I see something I like the way you dress or whatever you're supposed to like it and you're supposed to try to gravitate even if you see a girl right now like damn she's fine like the way she did that you might want your girl to do a little bit of that and it don't make you know follow a name just

mean you smart enough to pick up on game you know what I'm saying so dmV is the first place and I did it's still a lot of love out there no no no cap like but you know it's haters everywhere too so it jb it's situations it's like but dm you write that I did get a lot that's my second home still. I'm saying. I came to LA after that. I ain't never been nowhere. When I were rapping, before I was rapping, I ain't never been nowhere. Canler Road, my city. When I started rapping, DC was the first place. And they, you know, I started seeing like I got love. So I showed love back. Boom. LA was in that place. I'm saying? Soutre met, linked up with this and that. I think I can't see you for a time I was in LA. So long that time ago. And I was in the

street. So I respect that. I still love it for when I, that first feeling I got from it. That is crazy to think about. But that flow, like, in particular, like, there's such a huge percentage of music that I get sent by fans and stuff that I'm like, man, I don't know what to call it. If we're going to call it the Pablo flow, the DMV flow. Nowadays, I feel like a lot of kids are influenced by splurge, even if splurge took the, or in a lot of ways, was influenced by other rappers. It's like that specific style. How do you feel about that? I like it.

I like it. I'm not being on credit. I always knew that because I felt like, like, Like, even people like the Migos, they wasn't getting credit for their style, but I'm not a credit type of person. I want you to go work and show these folks like, or tell, like, you can't just say, oh, I did that, I'm raising my hand. Can you please pay attention to me?

Hell now. Go show them folk who started. You see what I'm saying? Go put them down. Go go hard than they is and you're going to end up getting your goat status. You know what I'm saying? Like even young thug, we've been new thought, we've been new how unique we he was, how fast he can go on there and make a noise and he.

We've been through that, but it's just now coming through where the whole world can recognize and they recognize people have been trying to see you and go home and, let me do a little bit more like you without even saying they're going to do it. But it's kind of like there's the popular rappers and then there's the rappers who are actually like pushing things flow-wise and a lot of times it's largely just the other rappers

who are really noticing, but then there's really conversations going around when something like when Valet comes out and he's got the flow that automatically like is so influential that people start kind of jumping on that flowing shit. I know way before anybody know him. Like he was around early early. Right. And I ain't, I didn't, I ain't gonna lie like I knew his flow was that hard or people

gonna eat it up. Right. Because when you actually doing it and you first start, I don't know I'm a goat. I don't know everybody can eat it up. I'm just rapping. But you've always been like moving and like always, that's one thing I appreciate about your shit is I feel you always were very flexible in terms of the stuff. Because when you, I was actually, before I interviewed Skipper, I went and watched a bunch

of old shit and I'm like, man, I forgot about Pablo back in the day. Oh, that was good, right? What? I said, yeah, I was crazy. But you know, I was around all that, I was around this shit. So it's just funny, like, I feel like everybody got down. I'm a silent person, bro. I ain't on that big on just talking about shit or trying to, you know what I'm saying?

But I will. But when it comes to your family, then it's a little different, you know what I'm saying? little different, you know what I'm saying? Right. Just putting a real business out there. Like, shit. I talk about it, though, if it's already out there, but it's like trying to create a subject. Like that shit don't even need to be the topic.

Like I said earlier, if you're the goat and you're working for that or if you really supposed to be there, then your work is going to show up, mission. That's true. Yeah, I definitely feel that in the sense that, like, it's just... And you got to go through a hardship. That's life. You want anything to be easy. You just streetpont.

You just got to go. go through hard shit, like. Right. So, but when you, let me answer to this. When you call the project DMV, is that a little bit of a taunt towards the fact that you might have issues with people from that area? Is that kind of, because you're taking the name of their city and naming your project after or not their city, but that area.

The area. No, what you gotta recognize is, nigger, D.C., Maryland and Virginia love Pablo. They fought with me. So it's not a taunt. It's more of a, this might, I'm putting you down. Like, even when people asked me, when I used to have interviews back in the day, you you know, people to the day really think I'm still from D.C. I'd be like, no, I'm really from D.C.

You know what I'm saying? So I kicked that type of, that just was me. And like you said, I did get into it with people, but you could ask people like YG, YG Addy, ASAP, ain't them, DMV, my mind the way it think, it was been created. So when it came back around, it was more of it was just time for it because it is this right here going on. They do, then, then, then, all right, well, let's drop DMV. You know what I'm saying?

And most of this shit, real screeching and some of this shit just internet. I'm just tell you that. I go to D.C. all the time. I'm going to go out there in a minute. Have a, like a meeting, greeting, listening party. I'm saying? Release party. That's what so.

Yeah, man. When we think about that first interview we did, there's a couple of things I remember. Number one, it's just me or you want a lot more drugs back then? Yeah, you look calm. Yeah. You look a lot healthier now. Yeah, the first thing was with the lean. But to be real, like, shout out to my brother, Dex, you know what I'm saying?

But I'm a, like I said, I learned from a lot of other people, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, the lean-li-li-li-up shit, that shit real is coming from you not drinking water, and you're drinking all shit that's drying. You're not liquid. You're not putting it back in. You're just drying. If you're drinking lean, you have to drink so much water to compensate for all that sugar and the codeine and everything that you're taking in. Like nowadays, I don't eat candy or drink.

I don't even drink soda. Mm-hmm. So now that's thinking about you drinking lean. like, well, you drink too much of that shit, right on your ass. Right. So you fell back on that? What, for like just health reasons

or you just didn't feel good anymore? I care about myself. When I get to looking at all my pictures and my shit fucked up and I just look like I'm high on lane, I'd be like, all right, just far back, blow. I'm saying?

You ain't got to, it ain't that serious. And then I got, I cussed everybody out on that lane. I did, man, fuck you. What? What's up? The next day, you wake up angry as fuck? No, the next day I wake up, apologize.

Oh, really? I cuss you out, boy, you would trip. I'm like, damn, you, it's like it makes you, it give you in a certain, it's, it control you a little bit on the emotional side, no, for sure. Yeah, and all the pills and shit too, once you start fucking with that. Oh, yeah, that might have been, what it is,

mixing the pills with the lien, it's going up. Were you ever the kind of guy who felt like you needed to do drugs to be able to be creative in the studio, though? Because a lot of people start to get on that mentality. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Always, and I still do a little bit, you know what I'm saying? When you say drugs, I don't always consider everything.

Like, sometimes just weed. But most of the time, I think you fall in love with the fact that shit, if I pop the perk or the egg pill, I'm my mind, whatever I'm thinking right now, even if you got them, this guy right here with the thuggish, thuggish shirt on thuggish He's a bitch, don't know. You're gonna turn into a whole, whole different light.

So I don't wanna see him like that. That would be scary, though. Well, he might get this, trying to think, he can do you on the podcast. and become a podcast. But now that they want you to have a podcast, what are you going to do? Are you going to go back to the normal you?

Are you going to pop a pill and give us the podcast we want? You see what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure. Because I feel like you go through your whole day, you're like going to the bank. You're like making lunch.

You're just doing all this normal shit. And it's like you're in a certain state of mind. And a lot of people, then they get in the studio and they're all of a sudden supposed to switch up their mind state 100% and go from normalized dude going to the grocery store to do, Not that you go the grocery store. I'm assuming you probably got somebody to do that for you.

Yeah, I got in there the other day. I actually be having fun. You know what I'm saying? You have a good time in that? You get to see everything you want. Oh, I want some goddamn cinnamon powdered donuts and all this shit. It's got to be. Do you eat cinnamon powder donut?

No, I'm on health kick. Plain donuts. No, no donuts. I don't know. I'm weird, but I don't know why. But I like all plain shit, plain chip, plain rich. plain cookies. I don't like sugar and shit.

I don't like the extra shit. Well, we have that in common then because when I grew up eating cereal and shit, I was always on Cheerios, rice Krispies, rice checks. I never did like the fruit loops or the cookie crisp and all that crazy shit. But on occasion, you go through the pebble. I was more like if I want that crazy sugar shit, I'm going to do ice cream or some shit. I'm not going to do that with the cereal. Yeah, you're right.

I was like a nice plain breakfast. You know what's so crazy? I used to like, man, what's the cereal that's like whole? grain. I know it's weird, bro. Damn there, weedies, like shit like that. Wheaties. And it'll be good. There's a lot of those when you go like Trader Joe's or some shit.

They got all kinds of natural cereals. Because they're like real crunchy. I ain't with that raisin. If it didn't have a raisin, I'd have to put with that. You can't get down with a raisin? Can you go down with grapes? That'd be hard. But I'm saying it's just, it's just, I think you hit it again.

Yuri. Oh, damn. He did it. Let's look. But yeah, so, but like, you know, are you... I got you a DMV hit it too. It's a large. Oh, for real? I don't know if you can fit it, but you gotta get like me one time and just snuggle with it.

Yeah, no, I like that because I didn't can see the belt and all that. No, I got some good Pablo merch. I got the designer Dope Boy's shirt at the crew still. Let me see the other one. Oh, sure, here we go. I'm saying, for a promo. Oh, yeah. You always been on the merch, heavy.

Yeah. And I don't do it enough. I just do it just enough to make sure the fans just, got, you know what I'm saying? The people who want it can get it. Everybody don't want it. You feel like you could potentially have a future as some sort of designer?

Could you be like a Virgil? I think I'm a Virgil. I think I'm a Virgil. I think I'm goddamn. I might start making beats, bro. Really? You never tried before? Yeah, I mean, I ain't never actually tried it,

but I'd be watching a lot of producers, so I feel like knowledge is power, bro. If I learn it, ain't anything you do to stop me then. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's crazy. Nah, but when you say Ice Cube, you mean, like, as an actor? You feel like you could do that?

Definitely. I could act, too. I would be actor, but it would be certain roles. Roads I'm stuck in, like, yeah. Yeah. And I can't, I'm tatted up, and I look. I got to eat permanent, so it ain't too much I can do. I know, right?

Like, if I go to do a movie, are they going to make me, what, some kind of fucking skinhead or something? Yeah, you'll be like that. Yeah, you know. Right, exactly, yeah. But it's cool because you're still in the movie. As long as then, I'll try to make me says some racist shit, because then they got to make a meme out of it either way,

I feel like. I think you should do it. I mean, Adam is fit for it. We definitely know you're not racist, so if you had to be it in a movie, I'd say, dude. Appreciate that. I mean, yeah, it might be cool.

It might be worth the memes, just because it would be funny as fuck. Everybody would love it. Nah, actually, everybody would be mad as fuck. Some people love it. Nah, because it's a movie. One thing about movies, can't get mad.

Can't get mad at the new Harriet Tubman movie because of black slave owner. There's a fucking movie. Imagine that was the roles in the Harriet something somehow I was assuming something like less lofty. Wait, what about this

that Rose Samuel play when he was tripping? I think they did get on his ass a little bit. What about fucking... What's his name? The dude who did Pulp Fiction and every other movie. Why is it slim in my mind?

Yeah, Quentin Taratino. He writes himself into all his own movies and then has himself saying the most racist shit in all his own movies. Yeah, I mean like... I'm glad I ain't never watched him. Well, he pops up and plays up. Pulp Fiction and he just says the N-word like 40 times and then he's just out.

And that's like he wrote that for himself. What the fuck? He always does it. It's a weird hobby. Did he write Kill Bill? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, they might have been the only one I see. I like Kill Bill because of Hogan and I'm at the female.

Oh, we can't say Hose anymore? We can, but I don't think they want you to call them that. I'm saying, might be some watching. You got a lot watching you because you're doing, you'm saying. They might think they can come and get them get a porno with you or something. They be watching. That is weird because I call my girl, my hoe, my bitch,

but in like a cute, jokey, loving way. That's how you know y'all like this, when you can do shit like that, like, shut up. You know what I'm saying? But then people on Twitter will be tripping out, like, ah, they call their bitch, blah, blah, blah. I ain't gonna get you a girl, man, so you can have you enjoy that.

Do you have a long-term girlfriend or anything like that, or you don't touch it? Um, yeah, I got, I got a, I got a, a baby mama but you still fuck with her like that yeah fuck my baby mom that's good you ever think about being that dude

who's got like an Instagram model girlfriend having that public that would she be thinking that she wants that no she always she thinking about you want one on an Instagram model girl I'm like bro you stop saying that

that shit ain't cool you don't like it ain't possible bro come on bro I want that you don't think I can do it right you're not ready for it though I mean I don't know

I'd be looking at it I'd be looking at everybody who got them getting them a rap girlfriend and both of them popular and they go up. And I respect that. I don't think I don't respect it. I just don't think this is my character and I don't like being fake. So even if everybody say to you right now, Adam, go kill this person. Go kill him. I'm down.

You see what I'm saying? Like, if it ain't in your heart, it's being fake even if you do go kill him. It's not being really killing. You're being fake. Do you feel like killing? Do you want to kill him? I don't know who it is, but yes, I'm down. I'm a soldier man.

You put the battery in my back, I'm gone. That's all I'm saying. Bodies everywhere. You right, though. It's going to look like Iraq out here, bro. I'm down. That's what the niggas supposed to say when they got them totally retarded. But were you ever that dude who was just ready to go?

Always been a boss and always been ready to go. But like I said, on command is going to be a different. It's going to be when you link up with somebody who you really love and you know they don't do nothing. but they gotta do so every time he called you, you know it's that time. It ain't like I do this for a living and you go, you over there kicking it

and I call you. Nah, if you call me, somebody been fucking with you. Hell yeah, I'm dropping everything on command. Don't care who it is or where you're at or what we gotta do, you know what? There's only a certain number of people that kind of relationship. I ain't ever, I've always been that nigga.

You can add anybody right now. That's my problem. I still think I'm regular, and everybody think I'm gonna start, you know what I'm gonna start. You know what I'm gonna. Right. So yeah, that kind of brings us to part of the DMG conversations before. When I heard the story of how you fell out with a goo and dude,

that basically was how it was told to me is Pablo tried to basically mediate a situation and tried to squaw some shit and it didn't work out. Yeah. What happened was, I'm going to tell you the whole story. Y'all want to know. Okay. With me in D.C. and DMV, the whole town love me. You know what I'm saying? Even the people who act like they fuck Pablo this and that. At one point, y'all was some Pablo fan asking for a feature. You know what I'm saying? Facts.

So even the people on your team, I know people personally. Like the people y'all are talking about, I know one of them personally from the streets and you coming to get shit. We actually know each other. When I came to D.C., like my first time, but like my second time, we rolled up here like two, three sprinter van. Your manager, you know what I'm saying, I don't even speak names, but the manager of the person you, who was actually there, used to gave me, got-down business while I was in DC, gave

me a free pining, got-tham, hill blow, make sure you straight right here, you know what I'm so I'd be really knowing niggas. Fuck out what a nigger think. So, boom, when they came to DC, the whole D.C. love me, but when I tried to sign the artists, you know, I was signed the artist putting niggas on, can't anybody ever put me on. I was told from me to me, from the niggas who I know, who really in the street, they were like, blow you. You know. You know everybody loved you. He was like, only thing happened was when you sign or gravitated toward them, it made certain people who know they're not right or hate them or don't like them, they couldn't fuck

with you no more. So instead of having a whole streets, now you got half of them, you got half of them who looking at you like, why you fucking with them niggins. Which me personally, I never knew. I never knew y'all was internet beefing with people because it wasn't no real beef to me. So if you're going back in the fourth-on-a-knit on the internet saying, fuck you, oh, I'm gonna catch you, I'm gonna kill you. I didn't even know that.

You know what I'm shopping this shit, you'll run up and catch you for that shit you were doing. But I didn't even know it. When I'm walking up, I got bags in my hand from Rodale, Dior store. I'm like, what the hell's going on? Who, who? A nigga called my name. Like, nah, blow. You know what I'm saying?

They know me? No, I blow. They're between me and bro. Even then, I'm not that type of nigg like I just told you. Are you ready to that? I'm always ready. But it didn't escalate it at yet. So I'm walking toward it to get it ready.

Like, hold on. I don't give it down, what's going on. They're about three, four y'all. Y'all look like y'all corner and a little bro. You see what I'm saying? So before I can even do that, I'm trying to talk to the nigg. I do know, and some niggas hit me from behind. Ooh.

See what I'm saying? Which happens, bro. I ain't gonna lie, I'm been in so many fights. A real resume from the streets. I didn't hit niggas with bricks, chairs, and put in the concrete while you on the ground. On the ground, I didn't did dirty shit, so I took my lick and kept it moving. That way I went up, like, I'm right.

You see what I'm saying? Because I haven't been through a lot of shit. So you can't, when you go through shit, you can't always expect to be on a good end of the stick. So I took it like shit. I didn't did shit before. I didn't hit a nigga. I know, that's how I fight. I hit first, so I know I didn't hit niggas without you being ready to get hit.

You know what I'm saying? But it actually was from behind, I didn't see it. But was that an example of you basically like trying to be the big homie in the situation, trying to be the big homie in the situation, trying to squash it in a situation where if you had known the full situation, you wouldn't even tried to get involved? If I would have known the full situation, I might not even dealt with the people I deal with because everybody I deal with, genuine. If you say you're a killer, you really shoot that niggas.

If you say you're a goddamn dealer, you're really dealing. You might kill a nigga if you got to, that's just part of the game. You see what I'm saying? But I never dealt with that ever. That's new to me. You know me, Adam. We couldn't even talk about no shit like this, the first podcast. like clout or who internet.

I don't know about no fucking internet beep. So I got caught up in it even when, okay, boom, y'all snuck me. I got on big shit. I'm a regular still, though, even though I got on big shit. I ain't took none of none. I'm just walking up like that. Okay, two on them hit the ground. I still had two on, still had a watch on, still had 30,000 in my pocket.

Soon as the motherfuckler hit the ground, niggas picked them up and started doing this running. So when I get up and I'm ready to get in there, all. All I see is running. That's all I see as soon as I get up. You know what I'm saying? So somebody hit you and then somebody else grabbed the chain off the ground? Somebody hit me. When they hit me, I stumbled.

Come. Get back up. I didn't hit before. I ain't tripping. They caught me no, because I'm behind. And I think I got hit twice. I don't know. But all I know is I got back up when I got back up and I'm trying to get in there.

It was nobody to get in there with all you seen was. Right. Okay, boom. When that happened right there, I'm like, I look at the shit. I still got on the chain, still got my watch, on looking. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know at first. I forget I got jury.

I ain't never had shit. They look, and I do that right here, Adam. I say, damn, shit fell. After that, I ain't, like, I'm not used to internet. I'm not used to all that. That's real life. I was fucking with my little partner. I got snuck.

I'm shit fell. So when the world be, oh, you this, you that? Man, listen, man, my resume is so long, and I'd be a snitch on myself to put my wrist on the internet, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not gonna go back before about that. I ain't tripping. But so did that immediately end your relationship with going dude that like, did you not appreciate

how they behaved in that scenario after happened or? What it was is not immediately, I was trying to see what going on after it happened and then that's what I investigated. I said, why did you niggas jump me, what they got going on? That's what I was told, hey, these niggas who you would, been going back and forth on the net with niggas and niggas has actually been trying to catch him, which I respect and realize not trying to be funny and then. I don't have nothing against going on what's the name.

But I'm saying that's what it was. Like you were saying, fuck you, I'm gonna kill you, or I'm gonna slap your girl or your mama or whatever, and the nigga was waiting to catch you, you know what I'm saying? Right. But that's not my style, Adam, just to be real, that ain't my style. Even right now, if a nigga did that, I'd be the nigga that's trying to catch you before I be the nigga that's saying it.

You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of a weird position for you to be in where you consider yourself to be a certain kind of dude, But then all of a sudden you got crazy Twitter shit going on and memes and all kinds of shit. And you feel like you got to respond to that. You got to jump into that. I mean, shit, it's life. You always threw a new obstacle.

I'm saying. And I had to realize that because me, I'm thinking I'm real. I know I'm real. I ain't even think. I know I'm real. I haven't been the street my whole life. But this is a new angle of it. You got niggas who got three followers who ain't never did shit who can say something.

You know what I'm saying? and you got, it's just a different game. Ain't know, when it comes to that shit, the internet ain't got no loyalty. That's me, I'm loyal. The internet ain't got no. So it's certain characters that bought that shit that niggas are really pull their pan down

to get on the internet. That's not me. I ain't know pull my pan down. I go on the head and just work and hustle. That's what I do. I ain't trying to change who I am for internet. I like me and me, you know what I'm saying? Right.

Can you see Q to Full and keep it moving, or is there still, like, tension there? I ain't gonna answer that question, Adam. You know what the fuck going on me. I ain't know where in there, no, that's on my mama, that's on Allah. For real. And I don't even, it's not even acting like I'm a bully or I can't catch my lick because this shit how we do in the streets.

You can be the nigga who got-n't kill or get killed and both of them bad. So the best thing you do is stay out of them and try to avoid at all costs if you at me. You know what I'm saying? Some shit you can't avoid. the boy, you just got to hound into your business. And then when you talk about that, that's a nigga who's talking. It's real street shit going on with niggas I knew that was up there. What shit already didn't happen, you see what I'm saying?

Well, you're talking about the nigg who's just running his mouth. Fuck all that. But you write no and no the answer is no. So it's kind of weird because there's all this shit going on behind the scenes and then like you end up being sort of the poster boy for whoever you're around and vice versa. He's the famous one out of the crew. Yeah. I mean, I understand, though.

It's all about understanding, bro. Like, shit, I didn't been in the street to the point where you'll take a loss, you'll ground from a nickel bag, all the way to a zip, all the way to get you a pound and then lose the whole pound. See what I'm saying? It's just what you're going to do now. Are you going to go do it again better? Are you going to give up, quit?

What are you doing? You're throwing in a rat. You're going to get you a job now. What you're going to do? Right. So it'd be challenging too, because everybody ain't perfect. Right. So some nigga got them do what they do.

I just know me. I'm a strong mind. I had to realize you can't listen to nobody, nobody opinion. You can't tell a nigga how you is. You letting a nigga tell you you fake. Come on, man. I'm probably the really thing out here. Y'all nigga, I ain't even tripping.

Right. As long as we're talking about all this. There was this viral sort of conversation between nudie and 21 talking about one of your situations. Did you have issues with them before that? that the first time that you felt some disrespect coming in that way? No, I ain't never had no issue with them before them. And even after that, when it happened, shit, got down, I had seen them.

And like you said, shit, nigger, I told me, a nigga from the city of Atlanta was just a little disappointed in me, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know. Like, you gotta add them how they feel. When they come to me, I'm a man. I don't care about none of that shit. Nobody's talking about I'm a man, bro.

I got to feed my kids and me. my kids and make it home. That's the only thing I know. So all that, what somebody feel about Pablo? I don't think about nobody else to talk about you to eat, had your name in my mouth. You know what I'm just me, bro. It was just weird because we're used to seeing a lot of unity at least like publicly in Atlanta. Like people doing internet stuff.

Where I'm from, the street, the cold is silent. You know what I'm saying? And then if it ain't your business, you mind your, you know, you something. You know what I know, though. So, yeah, that was a weird one. So when 21 made a video and he was talking about how he had your jewelry, was that literal? Or was he just sort of fucking around? One thing about me, bro, I don't, I'm not even, I didn't even see the video to know what you're talking about.

But I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know because at the end of the day, I'm just not big on the internet. To the day, like a lot of shit that go on, somebody else tell me, like I might be right here cooling, cool, cool, and somebody who's looking at that shit can't help but to be like, blow, what the fuck going on with this? I'd be like, well, what? Then I have to be like, okay, let me see. Now, for real? Because I just don't, I ain't just big on it. But I wish I would, though.

I'm going to get somebody to read all my internet shit to me every day. Just stay on top of it before that. Whatever somebody said about blow, tell me I'm going to got down. I won't be in tune with it. That's why I don't. Like, everything I'm in tune with has something to do what's really going on. Or if it affects you, like, do it affects you? All that.

They told you, they told, they told a nigga back in the day, because you got to think Adam, that shit, that internet shit is like a, it's like a, damn, how I want to put it? Trying to explain it if it was a person. You know what I'm saying? That just ain't my type of person. I wouldn't be around. I fought with the internet for promo and getting money and shit. But when they start, when niggas started doing shit like, that's gay that you don't do in the streets

normally, but now you're going to do it for the internet. that's not my lane. Do you feel like your fans sort of really want you to speak on those kind of situations when it comes up? Like you feel like they want you to speak on it either in real life or in the music? For sure. For a show they want me to speak. And I'd be wanting to speak bad at them, but it's so much shit going on.

Like it'd be a lot going on. One of my partners died. You see what I'm saying? It's a lot going on. Before I do that, I had to stay side of you. It had to just be in the street to know about it. Like I can't see it. sit here and do that with you.

I love you to death if you want to, you know what I'm saying? Right. But and this to the fan, like I love you there, but some of that shit can't be discussed. I can discuss it to a certain manner. Like when you add me something, I can answer it. But about it, I can't just go out there. Like, internet is dry snitching, like down there telling it's evidence. They use it in court.

And I ain't even talking about for me. I'm talking about in general. When you're talking about internet and making something positive or posting a girl from smoke clothes that's cool. When you're talking about dealing with street shit and real shit, there's crime with criminals. It's not the right thing. Right. Because somebody will like take a chain and then make videos talk crazy about it, whatever,

but then meanwhile, they're not famous. They don't have to go and do shows where the cops know that they're going to perform at this place, which is the stuff that the famous rapper in the situation has to do. They have to do all these things that somebody who's basically a nobody doesn't have to worry about. Yeah, but now I think of more like, when I say the first thing, I think more like you might can do that gay shit and now I'm famous, I might want to go slide and do everything to you personally.

But I'm famous. And there's a blueprint. They know you're a mile away. If the cops want to investigate, it's all documented everything on the internet. Thank you, bro. Like no cap. Everything is documented. They're already watching you from the internet.

So basically, you down there's snitch. But ain't nobody gonna say that. They're gonna keep just, you know what I'm saying? You see how it's six nine? He was a perfect internet. Like, he was a perfect internet. Like, that's all he wanted to live for. That shit ain't the right thing to me, bro.

I ain't gonna lie. I'd rather stay real as a person. Yeah, he's like the most extreme version that we've seen of somebody who just flake it. Took it to the max and acted like it wasn't no results. Like, this is really the streets. You just do it all on the internet. Come on, man.

I ain't never seen that shit in my life. No cap. What do you think it's going to be like when he gets out? You think he's got any chance? I don't know. I don't even think, especially about no nigga like that. I don't think. I'm saying, that ain't my situation.

situation that stay out of it. Right. No, that makes sense. Um, so at this point, what's your focus on music-wise and everything? You have this new tape out of the DMV thing, but in general, like, what are you preparing for? You know what I'm saying? Dope money back. This is rich Pablo Juan, money per shrew. Caution. Just like that. Before you listen to it, realize this is a real story from pain and suffering. This ain't the one that you sit in, all that. No, it's the real I switch it up sometimes. You plan on doing any more stuff where you're dipping your toe into the like EDM world?

We heard you do stuff with Bredinsky and stuff like that. Yeah, I got some shit working on, I got some shit working international. It's going to be a good international. I can't name all the artists because they all Russian and Italian and shit, but I don't even know if it's EDM.

I just know it's going to be a good crossover type look. You know what I'm saying? Right. Not just EDM, but I call it international. I mean, I'm going Russian. I'm going Italian. I'm going some shit with Spain. I got a rap. I got a rap. I got a rap. Well, I'm rapping in Spanish. Right. I mean, they're all calling their shit trap. It's like at some point they need somebody to come in and really trap. Yeah. Everybody get a chance at it. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got a story.

It depends on who want to hear. You can't tell. Can't tell the people who are trying to listen that they can't want to hear their man's story. Definitely. What's the state of 1017 at this point? What you mean? Like, how's the label doing? You still talk to Gucci much? How is that? Yeah, I talk to Gucci, man. I talked to him every once in a while.

Everything good as far as I know, but shit. Like, I don't know. When you say 10-17, you mean there's a group, so I don't really know how to put it as a group how they feel. I mean, I kind of heard that the label that he sort of lost interest in a certain point. Like, they signed a bunch of people and then nothing really happened after that. You heard that or that's how it just feels. I mean, I heard that from people asking people who know Gucci and they were kind of like,

yeah, he don't. Like he seemed like he was real excited about it and then he just sort of. I mean, that just, I don't know. I feel you though. But I could feel that from good. I had to think about what you said and feel like Gucci. I could feel that. He was a little bit more excited at first and I was, fuck that shit.

Because you know why I feel that? Because I don't have artists. See what I went through with this, that, that. So it's like, shit. I feel you grew up. Sometimes this shit be exhausted. Let me just get my money and go home. I'm trying to help ya.

I mean, there's a dope, like, pretty much everybody signed is dope to some level. It's just kind of like at a certain point, like, are you going to just keep pushing and keep doing stuff and keep trying to find a way to make people care about certain artists? Or are you going to sort of just let them do their thing and see how it goes, you know? I guess to each is on. I'm a man. One thing about me, I like my position. position. I can tell you that personally. So when you ask me as a group and out, I don't know. I love Gucci man. I like my position. I like where I'm at. You know what I'm saying? I've been

through some shit, but hey, I already am training in my brain like Pablo. It is what it is. What you go through, make you who you is. If you ain't killed you make you make you strong. Your story is your, that's why you're going to write a hundred movies, you know what I'm just part of this shit. I don't really be tripping, make it make sense. Do you see like yourself going deeper into the music? music industry over the years? Like, did you see yourself, like, really having artists, having your own label, that kind of thing? Yeah, we've been to crank something up out here in LA soon. And you probably ain't

gonna know it's me, you know what I'm saying? But you know, definitely gonna have something going. It's all about, because I haven't been inside the game myself too, so that's where they fucked up at. When you let me get inside the game and actually see what's going from that point of view, okay, so now I see how our artist is treated or supposed to be treated or or not supposed to be treated. Okay, and I see if he was signed to a label, this is how y'all do it. So okay, so I feel like for the most part,

got damn, of course you can get them do a lot of shit yourself once you already, then, like I said, you see something you like or you know and you pick up the knowledge and put it in your own, boom, speed it back out. Because you were kind of, you didn't necessarily have that many people telling you how to move and it's like you could take that knowledge

and use that to help out, you know, upcoming artist or something so that he doesn't have to necessarily make any mistakes that you might have made. Mm-hmm. And also, not even that. It's just, I know how a label set shit up and how they trying to get you to the goddamn blow up. And I know my method, the way I've been blowing up or helping my people blow up, it doesn't even require or take that. So I can actually do this shit that they do.

It's just, I would have to do it from my angle. Like when Soldier Boy was the first person to get YouTube. popping nobody knew YouTube but then after that now y'all trying to use YouTube to get it popping you know what I'm saying next to that you might have one person they use something else to get popping once they see that everybody copy that I'm the type of person I already got my idea what I know how to do to get you popping so y'all gonna follow me if anything but you know what the problem is is that the new way of people getting on is some shit that we don't even know about because these motherfuckers are all on TikTok and I'm gonna assume that you're in the same boat as me where you ain't

really on TikTok. You could make like a watch pun. You could say I ain't on TikTok, but my Roli TikTok or some shit like that. Yeah, I was different. Man, look at the fuck. What the fuck wrong with this? The Roli don't TikTok,

but they play me on TikTok. The AP goddamn fogged up. Is that out in here? That's a little hot, apparently. It's 80 degrees, actually. Yeah, it was a little hot. No, but I ain't heard of TikTok and that's something else I've been trying to do.

Like, shit. Mo street nigggin' know we don't know about a lot of apps. But that's how we'll win. If we start using the shit we know from the streets and playing the EFolk game, which is, let's start, got them, doing whatever, building your credit up, how they do. Got down, okay, work this, get you a business, d-da-da-da-uh. Because that's all they're doing.

Ain't nobody really, it might be somebody having a million-dollar enterprise off of, let's a say, like a barbershop or a nail shop, but it might have started from something simple, which is your brain and you just know how to work and maneuver. Right. So I'm saying? So I feel like we front of the streets. Well, if you made a nick, a zip, and a zip a pound, you know how to do the same thing in the world.

You just got to get in there and learn it. TikTok is just an ocean of millions of impressionable kids that you could potentially get to listen to your music on streaming platforms and make money off. How many phones you got these days? Just two. What are their functions? Like, how do you separate them in your head?

I just got two. just because it's not good at one with that gone dead shit and all that. So two keep you up until I don't get back on. That's real. I got the charger case, though. Oh, that's hard. Crucial. That's hard.

And it don't even look like a charger. Right? It's so small now. I don't know how the fuck I got by about about this. I appreciate that. Yeah. Respect. Phone case is a big thing.

Okay. Roderidge, Pablo. What else you want them to check you out in terms of where you got going on and shit? Oh, shit. I just, bro, I'm going to put you in there. I got like 8. about eight individual producers. You know how I did South Dart, Bridenski, Hoodwood,

Mastor, Master Sense. I got about eight more lined up, the worst way. And the music is so good. It's like what I was doing back then when I was just playing around times four. Because now I'm really got 30 songs and picking the best of them instead of just having 12 songs and giving you all along. So I got a whole bunch of project, regular individual shit coming out, but in between you get them big projects and get some shit with some features all the artists you like i'm gonna come back and just use and just me so you feel me you know what I'm all right streets need it hudrich Pablo no jumper appreciate you dog thank you love a tall rapper that's a big deal for me no jumper coolest podcast of the world check us on youtube

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We need some West Coast curing here while we're at it. Boom! There we go. We're going to put this all together. Get fucking moon level high. All right. What is it, though? These packs are like fucking Steve, actually.

So, I don't know. We got more in the way, though. We're supposed to get our new shipment in tomorrow. Hooders, Pablo. I already did the outro. Peace.