No Jumper - The Jackie Chain Interview: From Rapping to Running a Weed Farm For A Living

Episode Date: November 19, 2020

Jackie Chain talks about a new show: Croptober, that follows him and his friends into his daily occupation in the weed community, growing, selling and everything in between. https://www.instagram.com/jackie_chain/ https://twitter.com/JackieChain74 ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No John Burke, coolest podcast on the world. And today we got the one and only Jackie Chain back on the podcast. How you feel like? Yes, feeling good, man. It's been a while, man. A lot of changes since the last time I was here, man. You were downtown. And I was downtown is when we did our first interview, and I was looking through the YouTube file.

And I saw that in the description, I wrote like, I met Jackie Chain at the bar the other day. Because I was at Black Bar, remember? Oh, yeah. My favorite bar. Oh, God. That was the bar, because that's where I met Gangsta Boo as well. Yeah, man. And I ran into you there probably drunk as fuck.

I bet I would not be surprised if on the other podcast, I told this story just started as well. It was four years ago, so I can't remember. Yeah. But yeah, I just ran into you there drunk as fuck. Like, oh, my God, Jackie Chain, this is so sick. And here we are, four years later. Yeah, man.

It's been a great ride. Yeah, what you've been up to? It's been four years. I'm sure you've been into many things over these years. Yeah, man. Just been, you know, I made the transition into cannabis industry like many, rappers, you know, the only difference is I actually get out there

and get my hands dirty. I'm just not like branding some shit, you know? Right. I really enjoy it, man. And we filmed it, man. And it's out, you know, social club TV, Croptover. You can see it on, you know, Roku Firestick,

Apple TV, Android TV. Right. About to be on a couple bigger platforms. We're going to, but yeah, it's out, man, and we're chilling, man. And it's just... But so, okay, four years ago, when I spoke with you, how deep in the weed game were you at that time? You know, I had owned the dispensary on Melrose, man.

Okay. And working there, it's like I really saw vendors coming in and just making mad, mad cake, man. So I started growing indoor, you know, here in L.A., but maybe a year. At that time, I had grown maybe a year. You know, I was green, man. I still didn't know what the fuck. I still don't know exactly what I'm doing. So you were growing out of grow houses just in random fucking neighborhoods and shit.

Yeah. Before you had the weed shop or was that something that you got into once you had the shot? Yeah. No, that was after. Like once the weed shop shut down, I was like, well, man, I can fucking grow this shit. Right. Why does shut down? Man, dude.

No, man. Yeah, I was just a man. I was an Alabama boy. from, you know, up in Cali, slang and weed, man, I was, I didn't adhere to the rules. Like, if you didn't, you know, at that time, you needed a card. It wasn't recreational like it is now. So you had to have that card. So people would come from out of town, I'd just sneak him in the back, you know, and it got to where my neighbors were complaining, because I had clothing stores next to me. And so we're in the back just blazing up and got a letter from the Fed saying, you know,

was shut down or it's 2,500 a day. And so, man, I just had to... And so you were running an unlicensed weed shop, which there's not a ton of those anymore, correct? Or are they still prevalent? I don't know, man. You know, at the time, it's like I paid like a little, for a little bullshit license that didn't mean shit.

You know, it's just a way for the state to make money or whatever because it didn't mean nothing. It was because at the time it was pre-ICO license. You had to have a license that was, before 90 something and if you're one of the original shops they wouldn't fuck with business a bunch of politics right and you know and and all kinds of crazy shit man and and me being from the south and growing up around four wheelers and into woods and all that and and uh I just bought a property and then and then I just went from there you know bought another

property and just started really really really loving it man it's crazy you know it's crazy to plant something and then you smoke it a couple months later you know definitely but So when you were running a shop, though, like being an unlicensed shop is the game pretty much that people just come in. They got a pound or whatever. You take it. You're the fucking, you're the man of the shop. So you're smelling it. You're touching it.

And you're like, all, I'm going to give you this for it. And anybody who comes in off the street is somebody that you potentially would do business with, at least at that time? Fuck, yeah. And, like, you know, and what was dope about it was they would drop off samples. So I would just get people dropping off edibles and gummies and fucking jolly ranchers. you know ounces of this and so you know it you know it was it was cool man like but but yeah we just man if you had some good some good herb we'd buy it and slang it man it's right it really is it's really like a open like wild wild west type shit right and the name of the game at that time was

basically to just have that shop stay low key don't get the cops involved or whatever and that but but nowadays it's a little different where it's very hard to exist as an unlicensed shop from what Yeah, no, it is. And, you know, I wasn't too low-key on Melrose, you know what I'm saying? Hard place to be low-key, yeah. Right there by Fairfax. And, you know, I delivered to all the, I would deliver it was, I delivered the diamond and the crooks and cow, you know, anytime they had rappers come in town, they'd call

me, I'd bring over to sacks, you know, and, and it was cool, man, you know, but, but I really felt like getting my hands dirty. I wanted to get out there and, and, and, and, and it's a lot more money, like when you, when you, when you, when you start talking about that skis. have grown. You can only make so much with eight lights in a garage. You know what I'm saying? And it's hard to imagine that kind of weed shop existing on Melrose

when on Melrose you have cookies, you have genius. They're obviously legal. They're selling weed at legal rates. So like, you know, I hear about people going in these shops and coping the eighth for $80 or whatever. It's like they're not going to just sit there and be paying on these taxes

and shit and letting other people rock on the same block, right? Yeah, I mean, it's probably good that I got shut down because I wasn't paying shit for taxes. I didn't, I don't even think I had a cash register, man. It was just like, man, you know, it is, we were just, we were at, there's a trap spot, man. We all kind of took it for granted that those kind of shops existed at that time. Man, you know, people out here in Cali really don't understand, but like to be from the south or somewhere where, and to experience that for the first time to, okay, I've been smoking weed 10, 15 years,

but I can actually walk into a place. And it, you know, it was overwhelming. And I think I just, you know, I just, I went for it, you know, and it was fun. I don't regret it. It was fun, you know, and it was cool. But definitely, you know, a lot of politics in that game. You know what I'm saying? I remember you telling me a story about somebody showing up with, what, West Hollywood tattooed on their face and saying like, hey, you've got to be paying if you want

to be in this area, right? Yeah, I've never had someone tell me they would kill me so calmly. He was just like, you know, I don't want to have to. you know go by your mother's house go by your friend's house come by here one day you might come this whole place is burned down and i'm just like no i don't want that man yeah and and uh but i mean at the same time he was like man you know if you're ever in a fight or in the club and you need something call me i'm there bro like you know it was it was a you know i don't know if that would have happened but i mean it was definitely threw that around you know but it's a lot of politics

man and you know you're in someone's neighborhood yeah and uh and you're essentially selling dope on someone's block so so yeah you know and you know it was it was definitely uh i opened it for me you know i was like whoa this shit's real this is like some movie shit right fucking extortion shit you know because i was having a conversation with a homie the other day who was in a gang and shit and he was talking about how weed shop opened up in like his hood where he grew up and whatever the gang is in that area they came to the weed shop owner and they were pretty straight up about it like you're gonna make your life a living hell if you don't give us 5,000 a month or whatever it was And then they basically negotiated it, started doing the payment plan,

and then soon after it's like, nah, like we need more. And I'm sure I would have kept going in that direction. They ended up shutting the whole store down because they didn't want to be out here just beefing with all these crazy dudes. Oh, man, yeah. And he'd come by. I mean, he'd be like, hey, man, I need to put something in your safe for a couple hours. And I'd be like, bro, I can't do that, man.

You know, and it was just like a, you know, it was a weird, there's a weird situation for someone who didn't grow up around that type of shit. you know i didn't uh you know we didn't have fucking she because pretty much he was like look man fucking hot dog vendors pay taco trucks pay every weed shop i don't care if they're russian asian right bulgarians everybody pays us everybody you know and i started asking people and everybody paid you know at least where i was at my area you know it was interesting they were like yeah man it's just part of the you know how it goes you know and you make me feel lucky that they never hit us up with the bike shop on melrose like hey we need a percent

We would have been like, this place really ain't bringing any money, bro. Like, I don't know what you think you're going to get out of us. Oh, shit, man. But, yeah, it's a, you know, it's a real thing, man. Yeah, so you, at some point the shop shuts down. And then was this like a moment of, were you like scrambling to figure out what the fuck you were going to do business-wise that led you to start doing the grow operations? Or how did it unfold? No, it was just having a love for weed, man.

It's just like, okay, I can't do this. you know, at the time those pre-ICO license were selling for like a meal. Right. You know, it was like a meal ticket for one of them licenses, man. And so I was like, okay, I can't do that, man. So what can I do and still be in this industry, you know? And so, you know, threw up a couple garage setups, a couple bedroom setups, and it just wasn't enough, you know.

It's just like, so I was like, how can I go bigger? And then that's when I started talking to my boy, Stang, you know, who I used to get packs from up north. and he was like, yeah, just buy some property up here and I'll show you everything. And, you know, follow Stang too on Instagram, Orion's Blunt. Had to give him a shout out. But, yeah, so we bought some property, got some pots, got some fucking dirt. And shout out to Gangsta Boo, man.

She had hooked me up with these guys that wanted to shoot some B-roll for a documentary they were doing about a big dealer from the 80s. and they didn't have no current footage of marijuana. So they're like, you know, would you care if we came by your farm and shot some footage? And I was like, yeah, that's cool, man, you know, and just shoot me a free video or something, you know, which was just a trade-off. And they just seen how we was rocking out there

with the choppers and four-wheelers and big eye, and they're like, dude, we need to film this and make this a show. Really? And, you know, it's not like I had set out to, like, I'm going to have a reality show about growing weed. It's just like fell in my lap, you know what I'm saying? and I just ran with it, man. And, you know, and it's weird because, you know, you're doing something that's not really all the way legal.

So it's not something you really want to put on TV, but it's like, you know, it's, you got to understand where I'm at, man. Like, I've been popped a couple times. Up north. Yeah. And it's not, it's not like the police come and they put a note on your gate and say, hey, man, you got three days to cut down your plants. We're going to come back and check. If you don't cut down your plants, it's a thing. thousand dollars a day so like two years ago they came like in september we had like 30 40 days left

on our greenhouse you know we're on our big greenhouse and so you could probably afford the 30k it's like it's like a thousand dollars a day let's let's just let's just let's just let's just run it up you know what i'm saying and and and got a lawyer and got it knocked down to like 12 grand got put on payment plans so it's like they really fucking work with you it's not like so i was like it's not you know it's it's not like they're coming in throwing you in jail for 20 years exactly you know exactly not, you know, and, you know, they care more about environmental shit, diverting water or using, you know, bullshit pesticides that leak into the water. Like, that's what they really care about more than anything is, because, you know, you got growers, hippie growers that are, but then you

got, like, you know, these cartels and, and, you know, shout out to the Asians, man, I love y'all, but a lot of Asians out there, you know, that, that are, that are getting it, like, getting it, you know, like. But they're not really worried about the long-term, sustainability of this. Yeah, it's like they might have three or four spots knowing that one or two of them is probably going to get busted, but as long as one or two of them make it, they're winning.

Right. You know, because like I said, it's not, you know, it's not a situation to where they, you know, they don't take your property, they don't confiscate your cars, they don't do, you know, it's where I'm at. Probably was like that for a long time. Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's like, you know, it's the cops grow weed out there. The cops

talk about, you know, those plants look good and you know and and it's just a lifestyle I mean it's just a different lifestyle man it's really hard to explain without without being there and it's a it's just a totally different life it's like weed is nothing it's not a big deal like that town like a lot of these small towns

they wouldn't even be able to make it if it wasn't for you know you got a town with with one restaurant but six car lots with brand because everybody's buying brand new trucks in October you know and so the economy really benefits benefits from it you know wow that's crazy so would you is is all the weed as being grown up north is any of that legal weed or is that yeah yeah you got sold on the legal market but but you know I mean you don't see outdoor or greenhouse

and dispensaries too much man everybody wants indoor that you know see my whole thing is is is I want to grow the best affordable product like I you know outdoors crazy right now it's super high and um you know i can make more money you know like when i own the dispensary i had more people come in wanting just the cheapest 20 dollar gram right we might have all this top shelf but they want but they're coming every day for that cheap you know that's why i always here is the the high end of the weed market might seem like the thing when you're surrounding yourself with rappers and shit but then in reality when you're in a weed shop everybody's coming in and buying shake or dirty as weed yeah you know fucking pre-rull so it's like you know there's a there's a there's a bit but

But yeah, I would say 95% of the grows, if not more, are black market. Right. You know, and now, I mean, the weed economy is going to be so fucked up this year because of all the fires, you know, it's Oregon burnt, you know, Northern Cow, like Mendocino, all these Butte County, all these counties that are, you know, talking about hundreds of millions of pounds, you know, and like Colorado had a cold snap, you know, and lost a bunch and Washington was on fire. So it's like you all, like, and, you know, it's not going to affect.

LA or California but like in states where it's not legal you know in states Alabama Tennessee floor all these places like it's going to be fucked up around January it's going to be a drought right a big drought. Let me ask you something if someone like okay the

the blunts ready I believe if you took a garage you know like or even let's say this room like let's say this was the garage that you are working with and you had an indoor grow how many pounds per crop would we be talking and then compare that to the kind of numbers that you could do up north with a farm? Okay, I mean like, okay, say so a room like this like and and.

So this is like a four car garage type size, I would guess maybe. Yeah, I mean, I would say, I mean, you could easily pull, you know, let me see. I mean, probably 20 to 30, maybe 40 pounds out of here. Okay. Maybe 50 if you really pack them in and see a green type shit. And so you say that's top shelf. Let's say you're getting three grand for that. So that's like what, 150K?

You know, and then you take like, you take a property up north where you do 99. They usually don't fuck with you if you're under 100. 99, you're getting 500 per pound. You're getting 5 to 10 pounds per plant. So let's just say low-end, let's say five pounds times we'll round it up to 100. You know, now you're looking at 500,000. Right. If you're selling pounds for a rack, you know.

And so you're making a half a millie off that, you know. Right. And a lot of times you have greenhouses because you can turn a greenhouse every three or four months. So you can get three or four runs a year out of the greenhouse. So you got, you know, that's – but the outdoor, that's like your big lump sum, you know. And if, you know, it's even going higher now. Like, you know, we, we dictate the weed prices. Like, the reason indoor is so high right now is because there's no, there's not a lot of

other shit. You know what I'm saying? So, so, so that drives the prices of the end. You know, there's three, four, five thousand dollars a pound right now. It's insane for, you know, for, for the indoor right now, man. But, you know, with the, with the, with the, with the greenhouse and the, and the outdoor, it's just, economically more people buy that. You know what I'm saying?

Like I have no problem selling that shit flying off the shelf, you know, whereas with indoor, it's a lot harder to find someone. You make less off of it because, you know, I mean, how much, you know, it's a lot more money. My utility bill is three or four grand a month. Right. Running the, you know, so it's like you already got 15, you know, 15 grand a run just in utilities.

Right. I spoke to somebody who was growing legal weed, like a huge warehouse type scenario and was talking to him about it. And he told me that he basically felt like he had his hands tied because he wasn't able to use any of the pesticides and shit that he was used

to using when he was growing weed on the black market. And, you know, from his perspective, at least, he felt like the whole shit was absurd because he felt like he could grow weed faster and safer by using the pesticides. And then like basically the government was kind of like binding his hands in a way that he didn't really

think was very logical. Because a lot of shit that's not safe in California is considered safe in other states. Or not organic here, it'll be organic in other states. So it's like California is really, really strict on that shit, you know. And, you know, and nobody wants to smoke pesticides, but I got news for y'all, man. If you've been smoking weed your whole life, you smoked hell of goddamn pestle. You know what I'm saying? Especially back in the Mexican dirt weed, seedy day.

like that was pesticided up. No doubt, no doubt, you know. So it's not good for you. It's definitely, you know, but, but I mean, everybody's done it, man. And to really go all the way organic, it's hard. It's hard, man. Like, you know, like, we have to do, like,

we buy insects to kill insects. Right. We'll get predatory mites and shit to kiss. So it's, it's definitely easier to cut corners when you're doing pesticides and all that, but it's just not something you want to put in your body. Okay. So you don't, you know,

I think it's a safe bet in the long term? No, no, there's certain pesticides that you can use that are safe, you know, but in that white market shit, I mean, they test hard. You know, that's how you get a lot of these booth packs out now is because, like, you get, you got these fucking CBD and hemp farms. Right. And it's got to be under a certain percent of THC. Well, if it tests just a little bit over, they can't sell it on the white market.

So now you get these packs for three or four hundred that people are buying and selling his regular weed and you don't get high because it's a CBD you know what I'm saying they call them booth packs that's a big hustle going on right now so a CBD weed you ever smoked it? No no I hear people talking about it now and I'm like wow so this is the thing like people are really talking about rolling a CBD blunt like in Bama they got like you walk in it's like a dispensary yeah but it's CBD man down south and shit like anywhere where they can't have a weed shop yet but they're like we're gonna have this CED shop it's so fucking weird right like Good for you, I guess, you know?

But, like, I mean, you want to kind of tell them, like, man, we would be laughing at you. Well, we are laughing at the concept of this. Yeah, like, it's- From the California perspective. I mean, like, I don't know what the, what is the point of smoke? Is it supposed to calm you down or I don't know. Yeah, it's supposed to be like the relaxing part of the weed without the psychedelic experience. But most of the people I know that smoke CBD are on papers, fucking parole or probation or something,

and they can't smoke regular weed and they don't want to fuck with that spice. and they just like to, you know, we might roll up regular blunts, and they might roll. You know, Roy, my boy Roy used to do that. He used to have to roll the CBD shit up, you know, and just to kind of feel like you're smoking, you know? Yeah, yeah, you go crazy. I said, we gave you a wood and then you rolled a fucking Dutch, or he rolled a Dutch, okay. And now you might be rolling wood.

Yeah. I see. Okay. Yeah, because I remember I was down in Florida a few years ago, and I went to a fucking, you know, CBD shop that also had Mad Cratum. Oh, my God. I'm like, this is funny that they paired these things together here. Cratum, man. That's a, uh...

I tried it, too. I didn't feel nothing. I've done it. I've done it. I've done it. I've done it. I've tried it, man. Just, uh...

That's what I was say about CBD, too. I tried that a bunch of times. I never really felt anything. No, I had a friend just hooping and hollering about this, this crater. I'm just natural, man. I tried it, man. And it's, fuck. I didn't feel shit, man.

And I had to eat a lot of it. Like, he's like, I'm like, dude, I got to eat this much. and it's fuck man you know powder chalky shit yeah I'm like what does it let me get a cup or something for ashtray police sir oh yeah seems kind of like unrealistic to think that this is going to do a whole bunch

to you um but I guess it's for the you know it's the just maybe the nostalgia I used to smoke I can't smoke I don't know man I think it's really just them trying to break into the weed market without selling weed you know like okay Pensacola needs a fucking you know

is gonna have a weed shop one day but if we're the guys with the CBD shop, then we'll be perfectly poised to be the ones with the... And I did. That's got to be... You know, it's got to be... You know, and, you know, I don't know. Maybe if I was in Bama and I had never been to Cali, I would be stoked to walk into a spot and see, you know, I don't think I would smoke it, but it'd be, it'd be cool to, you know, maybe it's just like experience types of, you want the experience of going in and... But it's just, man... We forget. We're in our 30s. We've been around a lot of weed. We've been around a lot of

People who do actual drugs, you know, it's like, we, to us, we're jaded, if you're a 35-year-old school teacher who ain't never been around shit, and you see the CBD store pop up, it probably seems kind of appealing. Yeah, man, I just don't know, man, like, I just like, I want to, I mean, I wouldn't want to smoke if it didn't get me high, you know? Maybe if there are some super health benefits, I don't know, man, but. If it wasn't getting me high, I would probably just be like, you know, maybe I don't want to inhale tobacco, cigar,

leaves full of whatever, you know? Yeah, that's a lot of... But, you know, us being growers, we hate hemp growers, dude. Like, you know, being up on the mountain, like, it's because... Because pollen from the plant can be carried two, three miles.

And so a lot of these CBD places, they pop up males and they don't give a fuck. And so you have a huge garden and your shit will get seeded because the hemp farm down the street. The wind's blowing your way. and it seeds your whole shit. Wow.

So, like, you know, they're like a lot of times when those farms pop up, they don't last long if there's a lot of growers around, you know, because it's like you're fucking up people's money, man. For sure. So you being a down south boy and shit, do you like the lifestyle of being up north and sort of having a lot of, you know, fresh air and, you know, beautiful scenery and whatnot?

Is that a lot better for you than being in L.A.? Yeah, man. I mean, you know, it's, and it's also the family. You know, I got a family now. man and they don't mind being up there they don't mind being up there man and it's um you know i moved my father up there from bama oh wow so i'm up there man you know and and uh just that i'm just a a nature guy man riding four-wheelers shooting gun i love all that shit you know so um la is dope but it's like i was paying 50 60 thousand a year yeah to rent a spot that i'm never going to own

and i was like i could be putting this towards something that i'm going to own Right. You know, and also it's like, you know, I'm not no spring chicken, man. I don't want to rap forever, man. And this is something that I can do that and still, you know, still have my foot in the game a little bit and be able to provide a good living, you know. It's a lot of money in this shit, man. And, you know, what else am I going to do?

Jackie, you don't go get a 9 to 5 somewhere? Right. You know, it's just the only logical step for me, man. And, and, uh... Drug dealing has been an exit strategy for many a rapper. Yeah, that's what got me in the game, and that's how I'm leaving the game. That's how I got in. When did you feel like you actually started to kind of lose connection with rapping and wanted to be a rapper, though?

Like, what was that process like, and when did it happen? Like when I stopped wanting to rap? Yeah, when you were kind of like, you know what, maybe this ain't it for me anymore. When we did the last interview, you were probably still doing your thing, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm recording right now. I love doing the music. I love in the studio and the vibe, you know.

But it's all about money to me, man. Like when I was, you know, 5, 10 years ago, when I was getting 5, 10 grand a show and I was doing 15, 200 shows a year, it made sense then. You know, now, you know, like even four years ago, you know, I might do two or three tours, make like 20, 30, 40 grand, you know.

And, and you know, 100,000 a year ain't shit in L.A. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, it just didn't make, you know, it got to the point to do I, want to just keep trying to make another hit like chasing that thing and and and and uh or do i want to get this money because you know even you know i just beat a case i was out on bond i couldn't be i wasn't even supposed to leave bama i mean i can't really be flexing too hard you know and so so

all that shit's over with now and and uh i'm just trying to just trying to get it man like i don't know it's just like you know it's like i love it but it's like it's financially it's got to make sense for me, man. Definitely. What was the case you'd be? Police, we were in Bama, police ran in the crib and found some weed. And me and my boy Roy, my boy Sean, and they charged everyone for the weed.

You know what I'm saying? So eventually, my boy Roy, it was his weed, so he took to, but for four years I was wrapped up where I had to fly back and forth to court because basically I didn't say, I didn't say, hey, that's Roy's weed. I didn't say that. That's not my weed. I just didn't say nothing. Right.

You know, I was like, we'll talk about it in court, you know. And, and, yeah, actually the day I was going to trial, man, I got snowed in. I was supposed to fly into Nashville. And so my lawyer just kind of just lied and was like, yeah, we're ready, you know, Jackie's here. We got all the witnesses here, blah, blah, blah, you know, we're ready to take it to court, you know. And they offered me probation. And I said, no, I'm not taking it. I was like, I was like, there's no reason for me to take probation when someone already claimed the weed.

Right. So, so he just faked like I was there and they dropped the case, you know, they dropped the charges. And I luckily, if they would have been like, all right, well, let's go to court and I wouldn't, wouldn't even fucking been there, you know. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. So. I definitely see the appeal, though, for sure, because, I mean, there's a certain stress that comes with having your main source of money being, like, sort of rooted in your fame.

where, you know, it sort of, it drives a lot of people crazy, realistically, because they start to get into that mentality of, like, I got to go out all the time, I got to be in the clubs around the right people, I got to be making these connections and stuff. Like, the lifestyle that you're describing of just being able to sort of tap out on all that shit and just create a product, sell the product, then you get to go to sleep at night. And it doesn't really matter.

Like, you know, if you are as popular today as you were six months ago, it doesn't fucking matter. I mean, there's a lot of people who have never experienced any degree of being a celebrity or whatever might not be able to appreciate that, but I'm sure that you, after your time in the rap game, can appreciate that because it's just a lot to not deal with. Oh, man, it's great going to the store and nobody knows who I am, you know, like, which I mean, I do that here in LA too, but I'm saying to not have that follow me. Like over there, I'm just a regular dude that's grow, you know, and people find out I'll do music. oh i've heard of you through so oh you're on jelly roll song yellow wolf song and i heard you know and and but it's like i don't you know it's it's it's a different part of my life down there like i'm man dude

i'm a i'm a country boy down there man like i you know like uh and i love i love like you said the peace man and just like the you know because it's stressful to try it's stressful it's very stressful and very expensive to try to stay relevant. You know, it is and and to, you know, like you said, go to the, you got to be at certain events. You got to be here. You got to make you know in it. And sometimes, sometimes, you know, the pros got to outweigh the cons or vice versa, man. So it's like, is it really worth, you know, like now, if I was strictly making money off music in this time during the corona, oh, dude, I'd be starving. You never hear any. You never hear any. rappers admit to being broke at this time period right now.

But you got to assume that that's the case for a huge percentage of people because, like, I can think of rappers off the top of my head who I'm like, I know that you're not selling any music or music's not streaming right now. You can't do any shows. Your merch doesn't sell unless you're on tour. So you are hurting. Like, I'm 100% sure that you're hurting. You might have money in the bank and that's dope.

But like, things cannot be looking pretty for you right now. But nobody will really like admit it, but you got to assume. You got a million dollars, man, you know, and and your expenses are, you know, if you're living a hundred thousand a month type life, I mean, you got a good year. And that, you know, like, you know, I know artists who are definitely hurting right now because for an artist, that's the main touring is it. That's how you make your bread, you know, like, I mean, unless you're this super, you know, unless you know, streams and all that stuff.

But I mean, for like the under, you know, I was more of an under. like for the underground artists like for the underground you know we got to tour man we got to tour because that's like you said you know artists like me uh you know it would not be it's very regular for me to make more money on my merch than i did for the show that night right you know and and and like you said the only time like nobody's hit me up on instagram for the shirts when i'm on tour they'll buy them they meet me they take a picture it's the whole experience remember the show but so so that's a big deal for artists man you know that That's a big deal.

And it's been rough on some people, man. I know it has. Yeah. And I mean, we're, whatever, eight, nine months in. I mean, we're not two years in. But it seems like, you know, there's a very, very good chance that doing a rap show might still be pretty unrealistic in a year from now. And, and, and even when it does come time for people to do shows, it's going to be so,

there's still going to be some type of social distancing or some type of, it's going to take a long time to go back the way it was. They're not going to stuff venues. the way that they used to. So I'm saying it's not going to be, yeah, and it's, you know, and I don't know. Have you ever watched a virtual, I've never watched a virtual country. I went to one the other day. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I just, I can't see if that being turning into a big thing. Maybe it is a big thing. I don't know, are people getting paid? I know Travis Scott with the Fortnite shit and all that, but everybody ain't Travis Scott. I think that if you're a Travis Scott, or, you know, I saw Billy Eilish did one recently, that, you know, it seemed like it was very,

production was very on point, and she's a huge artist and stuff. So I think that it probably makes sense for her, but I went to one that was a Chief Keith and Polo G show and, you know, it's kind of awkward for the artists to have to perform to a room full of nobody. And then, I have no access to how many people bought tickets or whatever, but I didn't have anybody tweet

at me about it. I didn't have anybody talk, like show a video clip, show a screenshot, whatever. I don't know. It's kind of hard for me to imagine fans being all that into it. I mean, I think that when you pay $20 to go to a rap show, the truth is, is that a large percentage of people are paying for the social experience,

for being in the room, feeling the energy of being around a bunch of motherfuckers who all appreciate this music that you appreciate. I mean, there's so many things that you're paying for. Maybe giving the chance to meet them. That's not a possibility. Or at least just be up close and personal. And even just the feeling of I'm going to a Chief Keefe show and something could happen. I don't know what, but somebody could jump in the crowd.

There could be a fight in the crowd. Something interesting could happen. Like all that shit goes away as soon as it's a virtual concert. And, you know, it's an event. Like, nobody's meeting up with the homies going to get in a six-pack of beer and a bottle of liquor to watch a virtual. You know, you do that before you go to a concert, man. It's a whole, let's get ready. Good fresh outfit.

You look clean. You know what I'm saying? Nobody better step on my kicks tonight, you know. But with the virtual, you can watch it in your pajamas, man, and just, you know. I realized the other day, I haven't even thought about buying anything to wear out in public since COVID. but haven't had to think about like, oh, I need some nice shoes because I've got to go to this thing. I'm going to be honest. I haven't bought one piece of clothing that wasn't from Walmart in about a year.

I'm a dicky down, man. Respect. I'm still. In my town, all there is is a Ross, a marshals, and Walmart. Yeah. So it's like I'm an online ordering mother. You know, I order, you know, all my shoes, everything. I got to get online, man.

It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's crazy to be in a... You ever lived in a real little bitty town, man? Like a one fucking horse town? Not as itty-bitty as you're talking about. Yeah, like it's different, man. Like it's, you know, that's... Like here in LA, the main thing, you know,

the main thing I was looking forward to was the food, man. I get some real food, man. You know what I'm saying? Some real food, man. That's what I miss so much. There's not much going on for that. How far you go to drive is I go get some interesting cuisine? I'm about an hour from Sack.

Oh, okay. About an hour, about an hour from Sacks. About three hours from San Fran, you know, but, but just on an everyday level, you know, so, you know, we cook a lot, man, and, and try to eat healthy, man. Your kids had, like, a regular school experience going prior to COVID? No, I got a three-year-old and a three-month-old. Oh, okay. So it's still super young. So, yeah, so we, you know, we are thinking about putting them in preschool, but, I mean, you know, like, man, one kid catches a cold,

They all got it there. So I don't know. It's just a weird time, man. I don't know. You've got to be thinking about these decisions soon, man. Definitely. You're going to be in the club here soon, man. Yeah, I mean, my girl thought that she was going to be going to Paris

and doing all this kind of shit throughout her pregnancy. And then, like, pretty much as soon as we figured out she was pregnant, COVID was in full swoop. It's been a wild ride, man. It's been a wild ride, man. So in terms of your show, like, what are the kind of things that, like, came narratives for episodes. Like, I'm sure that they're observing what's going on and they're trying to figure out how

they make content out of it. What ended up being, like, what was that experience like for you and what did they end up sort of focusing on? Well, like, the first episode is really dope because it's, I know, you know, last time we were on the show, we talked about the possibility of getting robbed, you know, being up there and, and it happened, you know. Really? Not to me, but to a guy on the show called Britt, named Britt, who worked with St.

on the farm. And so, yeah, everybody was out of town, man. And he was on the Xbox, just fucking Xboxing it up. And they kicked the door and the people he was playing with were, you know, thought enough to record it, you know. So we got, you know, so that's how the first episode, you know, because man, here's the thing, man, is like, you know, that shit really happens up there, man, a lot, you know, it's, it's, any time where there's a lot of money like that, it's, you know, and so we didn't want to just show like the you know a lot of the shit weed shows out are just like really white market like um happy look at this cool dispensary we have and all these cool fun clean things that are happening here million dollar facilities like nah this show is about is to

inspire people that hey you're a regular guy i don't need a million dollars i can go out here and put a five 10 thousand down on a property i can do some hard work you know and and i could do man if Jackie can do it, I can do it because, man, he didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't represent the huge million dollar. I represent the dude out there goddamn getting it, you know what I'm saying? Just like, you know, and, and there's a lot of money in it, not that there is, you know, but it's, it's, the show focuses on not just the happy, like, you know, there's fucking, like I, dude, I just lost my crib that I was building, my RV, the brand new RV I was talking

about on the show. It all burned up in the fire, like, you know, like, you know, like, I had 35 acres, dude. It's fucking looks like you drop napalm on that bitch. I mean, scorched earth, like not at one tree. You know, you know, so we talk about real shit in the show, like shit that, you know what I'm saying? It's not just like, oh, hey, we're growing weed. And it's like shit goes down, you know.

And y'all should check it out, man. Social Club TV, you know, download the app. You don't got to sign up for shit. It's free. You can, you know, if you got a phone or smart TV, you can watch it, man. It's cool, like, you know, six episodes, man. You know, a few people passed away during the making of it, so there's some sad shit in there.

But it's mainly just happy shit, funny shit. Fucking one episode, Stang has a trailer, man. And dude, it's like, you know, we just kept hearing shit in the walls, man. I'm like, there was fucking bats, homie, or mice or something. And we open up the wall and just like 100 fucking bats come out. And it's, you know, it's just like mountain shit, man. What the fuck? That's terrifying.

Yeah, mountain shit, man. I'm so scared of bats, God damn it. Well, you know, and I mean... I'll burn the whole house down. Yeah, and the thing with that is, man, you know, they're not going outside the shit, bro. They're shitting in them walls. You know what I'm saying?

It's like they would in a cave, you know? Right. And so, but he's built a house since then. But that's on the episode. And it's just some crazy, you know, it's just real life shit, man. You know, it's definitely entertaining, man. No, yeah, it's crazy when you say that, like, you know, how there are reality shows

that are kind of like about this like super clean cut version of what it is to be a marijuana distributor or whatever. It's like we kind of take it for granted that the culture of marijuana is generally something that you would want to be associated with. But it is interesting to think that like that could potentially not be that way at some point. You know, like it could like the overall image of it could get so sort of whitewashed that it might not necessarily hold the, it's hard to imagine. because it does feel really good smoking weed. But you could, like, you know, sometimes when I look at, like, bar culture, I'm just like, bro, like, this shit is gay as fuck. Like, why would anybody want anything to do with this?

Like, I'm not a drinker myself. Yeah. But you kind of look at, like, the craft beer, like, Lane, and you're like, wow, like, that shit is so corny to me. I think so, too. Yeah. No offense to any hooty and the blowfish type fans out there or whatever, but. No, yeah, man.

It's, I don't know, man. I just, they say you drink beer for taste, and that shit just tastes like that beer drinks like the core is like you drink tastes like fucking water man yeah yeah but that shit you're drinking tastes like horse piss you know what I'm saying I'm never a beer guy even then like even when I did drink a lot of beer you never really could have got me to say like yeah beer is incredible I love the way that shit tastes yeah yeah no I pretty much drink it to get drunk like I'm not drinking it because it tastes good right I want to catch a little buzz man yeah but I never really moved on to the liquors per se I might take a couple

shots here and there in the club or, but, you know, a bar or something. But if you're going to have a beer, you're going to have a Coorslight? Yeah, man. I'm never going to have A. I'm never going to have A Coors Light. I'll definitely drink Coors Light. But, but yeah, man, I don't get that craft beer shit. I'm glad to hear that, man.

Some people love that shit. Well, I'd be astonished if you did. I feel like beer has kind of, like, lost any sort of cultural relevance that it had in hip-hop. Yeah. It's been a long time since you had a rapper that was, like, really excitedly telling you about his beer. consumption, you know.

But that's one thing I was watching the Jordan documentary, and I'm seeing Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippin and shit, and they're all just cracking some fucking light beers, and they're hyped. Hiked. And I'm like, wow, I have not seen a bunch of rich black guys excited about beer.

They were telling the cameraman, like, you know, like, you're not, don't film this or you're not putting the side or whatever, because all that footage was secret until that documentary. So I think that was part of why you got to see them drinking the beer was because they never would have done it publicly at that time. They were geeked off the bud light.

Geeked off of it, man. That was a good documentary though, man. Oh, yeah. Jordan was pretty much an asshole, I guess, in life. I liked it, though. I liked the way he was willing to be so aggressive with his team, and they actually just took it and, like, grew from it. Yeah, and I remember watching, like, you know, being a kid and just, like, the energy during those games, man. Like, my mom wasn't a basketball fan, but we watched the Bulls. Just the only basketball game we would watch is the Bulls, you know?

As a family, as a little kid, like, they're... No, didn't watch basketball after Jordan and didn't watch it before. But like he made, he made people that wouldn't, you know, he just added something to it. That's, yeah, he changed the game. It's crazy how sports will occasionally have that kind of person because it was like that. Like, I would have probably never really got interested in UFC, but then Brock Lesnar came around. I was like, I got to like, like, I was seeing the commercials at him just like beating the, knocking people out with these little punches. I'm like, I got to like watch every fight this guy's doing.

And then I became an actual UFC fan. I'm so glad that he, like, made that transition and actually got a belt, you know, like if, because, you know, there's a lot of people. A lot of people were talking shit, like us, WWF is fake or, you know, whatever. And he came and he walked out. But that's a big dude, man. Like, he's just a beast, man. Yeah. And, I mean, they kind of, like, throw him some fights that he could win and they, you know, they did what they could.

I feel like he would have no chance these days against the current heavyweight division. Dudes are just way too good. Yeah, who's your favorite fighter right now? Yeah, I like them all. I like my boy Izzy, actually. That's who I'm going to go with. I'm excited to watch Connor. Yeah.

Let's see if you know. He's very entertaining, man. What do you think about the Tyson, Roy Jones? You give it one round? I'm not out here to cast my picks. I'm going to start betting soon, but I want to get into that. I think it's going to be a pretty short fight. But I don't know.

I'm a big Roy Jones fan, too, though. He was dope in his time, man. but I don't know. But I'm definitely going to get that pay-per-view on the free bootleg. Oh, you do that? Yeah. Nice. Much respect, yeah.

I have a VPN and I download the Torrance. I've been downloading Torrance forever, but now I've got the VPN, so I'm going to be a little bit more careful about it. Yeah, I'm just straight on the Xbox. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like they don't even care. It's hard to feel bad about pirating UFC shit because all these clips are on Twitter for free right after anyway. Like, you know, if you're going to give me the most exciting part of it for free, then why would I feel bad about downloading the whole boring ass thing? Yeah. I mean, I figured so many people downloaded my music without pain, I'm just getting, I'm just getting my shit back in the universe. Well, you were in that era, too, where I was like, people didn't even know how to get music on the internet without fucking downloading the illegally, right? Oh, shit, yeah.

That was a fucking Napster. Common as fuck back then, yeah. Okay, so what else you got going on? You're still growing helloweed, I assume? Yeah, man. you know, the fires took out my biggest form, but, you know, we have a little thing that we do down there called fire insurance where, you know, I might have two or three homies. They got a property over here. He's got one on the other side of town, so I'll let him grow some on mine. I'll grow some on there.

You see what I'm saying? So if something does happen, catch on fire, police, anything, all our eggs aren't in one basket. So that really worked out for me this year, you know. But yeah, we just, you know, growing hell of weed man and raising these kids and then you know i'm recording shout out to mali boy shout out to dj foo a couple folks i'm working with while i'm down here and dj foo that we know yeah yeah yeah shout off foe yeah and uh yeah just dropping some just just just a smoking album dude i mean you know i can't rap you know i can't rap about i always wrapped about what i was doing so you know that's why i'm always rapping about the strip club and this but now i ain't even doing nothing but fucking growing weed so all every song is just really about selling packs and

getting high, you know. Just some good, feel-good shit, man, you know. Right. Much respect. Yeah. I'll give you some sneak. I'll email you some sneak peaks, man. Let's do it, man. I'm not going to say that you just gave me some mushrooms, but where do you get your

mushrooms from? You actually know them, but I can't say it on the, but I'll tell you. But, yeah, they're locally harvested. Okay. Yeah. What's up with the game now? You can legally sell, like, mushroom chocolate bars? Can you explain this to me?

I don't know. I don't think you, I mean, I don't think you can. Right. You bought one in a shop? Well, no, we got an advertiser on a podcast and they gave us a much of weed to advertise. And then they also gave us these mushroom chocolate bars that they were hyped for us to promote. And I'm just thinking like, these are illegal? Like, how does this, yeah?

Yeah, I mean, I know like in Oregon and shit, it's, it's legal. Right. And you see that they just, was it, where is it Seattle, that they decriminalized, like, all. Oh, yeah, heroin and all that shit. can have a personal amount. The world is changing. That's crazy, man. Shout out to Jersey.

They just went recreational. Right. That's huge. But, I mean, the idea that you could just have, that you're not going to be some guy getting thrown in jail for having a small amount of heroin on you or whatever. Like, what is it? Like, what's a small?

Yeah, like a gram? Yeah, because I'm sure if you had enough that it looked like you were selling it, they'd be all over you. That's crazy to think about that. You could just walk around with a sack of pebbles in your pocket. just a fucking some crack. And, you know, no, it's officer. It's just personal.

Yeah, we should go out there and just do some hard drugs just to. Yeah, because we can. Because you can. It's like how you go to Vegas to get hookers? Because it's, you know, there you go to Seattle. Like, you know there's hookers in L.A. And you're not hunting them down. But then you're in Vegas, you might take part just because it's legal.

Same thing with, like, Amsterdam. Yeah. I've seen people fuck hookers in Amsterdam that would have never fuck the hooker out here. Yeah. Just go to Seattle to fucking bang some hair on. I mean, I've said that before it, too. I said it was a joke. I was like, we're in China.

doesn't China have famous heroin? Maybe this should be the place where I first try. Everybody, no, no, no, no, no, shut it down. I mean, I guess I'm probably glad that I didn't do that. You've been to China? Yeah. Oh, that's probably cool over there, huh? Yeah, that's fun.

I mean, everybody just looks at you like a fucking freak show and just... It's weird to think it's still communist, you know? It's weird. Yeah, I feel like I know so much more about China now and just, you know, what the government is really actually all about, I was like everybody I ever met in China didn't regard it as like a communist state. You know, like I met some fucking Irish people that had a tattoo parlor out there. And I remember asking them like, the cops ever give you a hard time being outsiders starting a business out here?

They're like, no. They just don't give a shit unless you. But, you know, if they were to start doing some edgy stuff that the government didn't like, they'd probably be down their fucking neck, you know. Yeah. It's massive, isn't it? Oh, yeah. It's just so overwhelming. God, I haven't been there in such a long time.

But I mean, everybody there is. really polite but also looks like being a white person with tattoos and being tall like I mean I've never felt like just a freak show in life everybody looking at you like they can't believe that you exist oh man yeah I heard it's like that for black folks over there they're just like yeah I bet it would be like that for you too because even out there like you're probably like confused the fuck out of them because they know they know what they're looking at they know you're not from there and they'd be like who is this like partially Asian looking guy with the long hair like right They would probably be as weirded out by you as they were by me.

Yeah, man. And the whole thing, the whole, you know, the whole kid limit thing is weird, man. Did they still do that? I think so, don't they? I don't know. I don't know. I'm Asian, man. I might get slaughtered in the Asian community for saying some, uh, something that's not true.

I know that used to. China Mac will show up and be like, hey, yeah, China Mac. It's not happening. He had a rally out here for, against the Asian violence. I know, dude, he's, you know, he, uh, you know, I'm surprised. Did he get at Benzino? Because Benzino said some fucking racist Asian shit. Oh, I missed that if they did get into it.

Oh, dude. Like they got him on, I guess maybe the police fucking thing. And he's going off on some Asian dude. Like, really? I was like, as soon as I saw it, I'm like, oh shit, China Max fixing to get out that, dude. I was thinking about that honestly this morning about how we have so much less room for sympathy to people who are like victims of racism when it's coming from an Asian person. Like, it just feels like the American consciousness. doesn't have like enough room for

understanding or given too much of a shit about racism besides anti-black racism like that that's our racism and like the anti-Chinese stuff people are just never going to really care as much about it it seems why I'm naming my album Kung Flu but how do you feel

about Trump sort of characterizing the virus that way and is this a something you're paying attention to? The China virus yeah I mean you know man you know when it comes to politics I just look out for weed politics Who's doing the van they both kind of suck at that. So I don't I don't know man like it's a crazy time right now man Like whenever people are boarding up their businesses because of an election like it's weird

I'm actually really impressed that we haven't seen anything destroyed really of note and I think that today or tomorrow could be the day that they finally Acknowledge that Biden won this thing yeah so we're gonna see like actually what the trump supporters got in like are y'all gonna fucking burn down the state building or are y'all just gonna it's gonna take it and let it go I don't know see that's another reason I like being up there on that mountain. Sit back and watch that shit on TV, man. Yeah, I feel you. All right, so everybody check out your show. What's it called one more time for you? Croptober.

Croptover. Social Club TV app, man. You can get it, Roku, Apple TV, Android TV, Fire Sticks, Smart TV. If you got a smart TV, you can get a real easy app to download. They got a bunch of other good shows on there too, man. So check it out. All right.

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