No Jumper - The Jason Lee Interview

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

This interview was recorded before the recent events. Jason Lee checks in with Adam to talk about the industry, Hollywood Unlocked, Beyonce, Megan Thee Stallion, Boosie, Lil Wayne, Offset, Kelly Aubrey, OnlyFans, Brian Pumper, Frank Ocean and more. ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, how are you? Jason Lee, how you doing, man? I'm in the house, so I'm staying out of trouble. You're in the house bored or no? I'm not bored, I'm busy. At first, when the quarantine hit, I was like bored, like, stopped doing anything, but I got over that pretty quick and got back to work. When the quarantine first happened, I had to call my doctor because I was having heart palpitations

because I thought the end of the times was coming. I thought literally Jesus was going to pull up on a boat and we were out of here, but I'm good now. So you don't feel like that anymore? Has your business taken a hit at all? No, actually business has been good because everybody's trying to figure out how to advertise online. So business is great. I think just like, you know, I have a weekend show with IHeart. So we usually have to go to IHart to do the show, but now we're doing it at home.

Other than that, you know, I mean, you have a show, so you know how it is. Definitely. Yeah, you're, I mean, you're like a gossip kingpin. I'm kind of like an aspiring gossip guy, you know? Adam, don't do it. You don't do it. I love the modesty, but you're doing your thing. You know, there's room for all of us.

We're all doing our thing. No, but like that's kind of the thing is that because now we're like super limited in doing interviews, which was always kind of our bread and butter, we're like more focused on our news thing because we got a Snapchat show that we're very enthusiastic about. So because of the quarantine in particular, that's kind of become our focus, you know? Yeah, but you could, we've still been doing interviews via like wirecast. You know, I mean, it's different. Like, you know, it's different when you have a person.

in the room with you. You can feel that energy and, you know, you've had some viral shit. I've had some viral shit. It's very hard to go viral when you're on Skype or whatever, but shit. We're figuring it out, man. It's a new world.

Yeah, I mean, that's part of the experience is like seeing the entourage. If they roll up with like 14 dusty-ass dudes and a bunch of like old cars and shit, then that just kind of adds to the ambience of doing the interview, you know? Yeah, it's fact. Wait, so, and you, let's see, you interview

a specific group that comes at a higher risk. You know, I tend to be a little bit more selective. Like, Boosie, I'm not fucking with him. I don't want to interview him. If I do, I'd probably, like, have some police in the room because I definitely don't live by the whole no street snitching. I'm not a street guy, so I do call the police. But yeah, like, Boosey, I'm not having Boosey.

Like, didn't you get robbed or something at one of your interviews? I mean, I had a guy put a gun in my face, but then it ended up being a BB gun and I did not get shot with the BB gun. So that was good. It worked out, all right. But you reacted like you didn't give a fuck anyway. I mean, that's the thing I think that that's our connection, right? Boot game pulls a gun on me.

Somebody pulled a gun on you. We acted like there wasn't a gun being pulled on us, and that's really crazy in the normal world that it's crazy. Right, but I mean, do you have any kind of like a street background that prepared you for having a gun pointed at you there? Or was that a completely new experience? Ah, no, I've been shot before. So it was like, really?

Like, Nick, I got shit to do. Really? This is what we're going to shoot me today? Right. Like, it can't least been on Friday. Like, you know, today. I think that that's our problem, though, is that we're too smart because,

and so we're looking at the other person thinking, like, you're not gonna shoot me. That's crazy. Like, you're gonna go to jail for the rest of your life. You're not gonna do that, but not everybody is dealing from the same deck of cards. You know, some people,

they might not be thinking about it on the level that you're thinking about it. Back. Yeah, that's why like when I get into it with people in the hip hop community, I just like destroy them online first to the point to where there's a common denominator of wanting to have peace,

and then we can come together and talk about it. But yeah. Definitely. So yeah, how would you describe the celebrities that sort of make it into your orbit? Because, you know, from my perspective, it's kind of like the artist that we cover for the most part sort of gravitate towards like younger,

more like under, underground rap type stuff whereas like I feel like you're you know if you've ever been on loving hip hop you're in um I don't know if you ever fuck tray songs you're in like you that's i'm trying to figure out what your your your category is there it's funny you said that you know it's crazy I think the hardest part about my business for me was deciding which niche I wanted to go into and so because it was so difficult I said I'm not dealing with this anymore I'm just going to interview whoever I want to talk to. So, yes, I have interviewed Maseka and all those girls from love and hip hop.

And I've interviewed Elizabeth Ruiz, who slept with, uh, uh, Von, what's the football player's name? I don't know. Von Miller, Von Miller. Okay. And they all went, all those went viral, you know, or Tiffany Haddon. So it's really like, I try to just talk to who people are talking about or, or that I like. Like, I don't like interviewing people.

that I don't know or don't like because unless I have a real strong opinion about why I don't like them. But other than that, like interviewing somebody because the radio people sent them through is not something I want to do. Because if I don't want to talk to them, it's going to be boring. Definitely. When you started your shit though, like what was your idea that would make your your content stand out in a flooded game? Like what was your value proposition that you were bringing to the table? See, my first initial idea was, okay. I have a lot of people that I know who are famous, and I see things written about them that aren't true.

So let me unlock Hollywood and bring their voice to the forefront, bring their point of view to the forefront, and I'll give them a trusted space for them to share their side of the story. Well, that was my idea, and that's still my idea, but when you get into the game and you see one how competitive having moments are, how competitive is getting the first or getting it accurate, how competitive it is with the people online that want to hear the T, they want to hear the drama. They don't want to hear all the good shit all the time.

Right. So once I started getting into the work and kind of seeing, you know, get into the business of it, looking at impressions, looking at our audience growth, looking at our competitors and seeing kind of what was out there. I was like, you know, we're still going to give them a trusted platform to be able to come and have a fair conversation, but we're still going to spill whatever is out there. Like, okay, if so-and-so is cheating on so-and-so, we'll put it out, but we'll call them before we put it out to give them a chance to give us their side or to come on and clean it up. But, you know, that's kind of tricky because I think the people that don't know me think like,

oh, he's just a shady guy or he just, you know, whatever. So the people that don't know me, they don't fuck with me until it gets really intense. But like there's so many people who are celebrities or who are out there that are sending me shit that I don't even have to be in the room. I don't even have to be in the state of the country because the people around them are the ones sending to me. Really? That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, it's a strange line of work to like want to go into because you're certainly introducing your, you're basically putting yourself in a position where there's going to be a lot of people that are just really not going to like you just off rip.

Do you ever regret having made that decision? And do you think that you were prepared for what you were taking on? Because I'm sure it just feels like more and more overwhelming over time as more and more famous people sort of take issue with something you might have said and whatnot. You know, I never, I came into this saying, you know, I don't care who doesn't like me. But the truth is, we all want to be respected or like at some level at some degree. It does get, I do get fatigued with people when they get, when they hate me for no reason. Like, recently I criticized Meg the Stallion. And all her fan, all of the Barbes were mad at me because they are her friends.

fans because she was a big fan and supporter of Nikki in their collaboration. But I, and I say to people like, I haven't said this yet about that because I just said, fuck all of you. I'm just not going to respond to you. But I feel like you can be critical of an artist or an artist's work or a decision they make. You could, just like you could be, you know, critical of the president or a public figure. Like, once you become a public figure, you open, even me, you open yourself up to people having an opinion. So I don't like not being.

liked by everybody but at the same time the people that like me are the people that matter to me anyway so I don't I don't sleep lose sleep at night well I mean you can kind of always like in your position you can always be your own sacrificial lamb like if you want to to make big news all you have to do is have a big opinion and like you saying what you said about make the stallion it's like you probably knew as it was coming out of your mouth that that was going to be a big thing and that you're going to get a lot of views and and people are going to be talking about you whether it was positive or negative like Were you fully conscious of that, making that decision?

No, I didn't go into it saying, I'm going to say this to make everybody, and I don't go into any conversation saying, oh, I'm going to say this to make it go viral. Because like you said, and I think that's important for people to know, we could literally sit at home every day on our Instagram and go viral. Like, you just say you have a strong opinion about something or somebody. If it's going to force people to take a side, right? That's not how I approach it. I just kind of feel like, you know, if me,

me and you connect as human beings. And Adam, you call me and say, yo, Jason, I really need X. And we cool, I'm gonna get it for you. So now it's not a problem. And I'm gonna get it for you without expecting you to do something in return. Now, naturally though, if we have that kind of relationship

where you felt comfortable enough to call me have to do something for you, I should be able to call you too when I need something. But, and it just genuinely be a sharing of our resources, right? Because I think we're all in this world, whether it's us sitting back in the stands and having opinions and sharing it with our audience or them who need our audience to buy into their brand.

We all have a symbiotic relationship, you know, at the end of the day. I'm not, yeah, my business is what it is, but you and I are both, to a certain degree, are we're in tech. This is tech. Hollywoodunlock.com is a tech business in the entertainment space. Ultimately, I want to exit. I want to sell it for lots of money and move on. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing.

But I don't go into it thinking like, you, I'm going to tear people down just to be malicious enough to get them to blow up my brand. No, I don't do that. But there's like a weird sense of integrity, right? Because if you're not going to say, like, if you're going to hold everybody to the same standard of like, if this video of you cheating exists, so therefore it deserves to be on the internet. And it's kind of like if you then don't post a video of somebody cheating just because you're friends with them. And that that is kind of the corrupt part.

Like you should hold everybody the same standard, right? I agree. And that's why recently, you know, I've had, I've, my team has posted so many videos that I have gotten calls from people that I know. And I don't get calls from people that I don't know. But the audience, no matter what, to a certain degree, if I'm seeing being friends with somebody, they automatically believe that no matter what this person does, I'm never going to talk about it, which isn't true.

And we've proven it time after time. But it doesn't matter because. people will have their perceptions based on however they look at me and my brand, right? And I don't fall into the trap of focusing on what everybody wants for me in the sense of I got to please this group or that because you'll never please everybody. So I just do what I feel is right. And I support what I like. And sometimes people say, oh, you're being biased. Well, maybe I don't like what you want me to post. Maybe I don't like the person that you want me to pose. maybe sometimes if I post something, I may word it in a way that draws the conclusion of how I feel. Now, you can debate it in the comments, but it's not going to change how I do what I do.

Is there a lot of liability concerns in terms of your job in the sense that you're worried about if you publish something that's preemptive and the evidence might not be 100% or if you were to even be on your radio show and if you were to speculate about somebody cheating or whatever it might be like, Do you have to use the word allegedly constantly? And do you feel like that's something you have to worry about is sort of the liability? No, I don't use. I use the word allegedly, but I try to stay away from gossip

and try to stay focused on the facts, right? I'll give you an example. Recently, the vulture, they published an article about the Ducey-Paloza event with a host who was accused of sexual misconduct or whatever. I don't know all the details, right? And in the story, one of my writers said the Rock Nation sponsored event because Jay-Z is an owner in

Doucay. Right. The Rock Nation attorneys emailed me and they were like, you know, we don't like that you put Rock Nation's name in it. And so I just forwarded to my attorney like handled that and the conclusion was, okay, Rock Nation doesn't own it. Jay-Z does, but Jay-Z owns Rock Nation and they do business in Rock Nation's building, but I see you don't want to have your brand tied to it.

So we'll just say a Jay-Z-owned brand, Doucay. Done. So we have no problem like working with people at a business. to just like fix those little nuances. But we never write like, like when I said Iggy Azelio was pregnant, that's because somebody that was in the studio with her and Playboy Cardi told me she was pregnant. So I was like, oh, yeah, the girl's pregnant.

Now that she's, you know, had her baby or whatever, and people are like, oh, she's had her baby. Like, we already knew that. So we don't try to, we don't slander people, but we just, you know, like, boozy. I don't know if you saw the other day where he was talking about having his son's dick sucked by a grown woman.

Right. Like, what are you going to sue me for that? nigga sue me and bring CPS in the room too. Now we all at the table. But did the lawyers hit you up about that? No, they haven't, but that's what I'm saying. Like, they're not going to. Like, if you want to, then that means we get to depose you too and your son and whoever.

Yeah, I don't think you want to do that. So, yeah, I'm not worried about it. Yeah, it's a weird time to be boozy because he seems very determined to not change in the face of society changing all around him. I totally, the thing I love about you. you and me as we understand individualism and standing for what we stand for and saying what the fuck we want,

in spite of what people think or whatever. But we are in a world that is really weird right now. And let me just try to break this down, right? T.I. took a lot of heat for the whole Hyman Gate, right? He wanted to make sure his daughter was a virgin. So he accompanied her to a doctor's appointment to ask the doctor or to make sure that her daughter, his daughters, his daughters, Hyman was still intact, right?

Not that it mattered because she could still lose her Virginia and keep her Hyman attack. But he took hell of heat from it. Boosie admitted on social media that he had a grown woman perform oral sex on his 12 year old son and nephews and nobody cares. And I'm sitting here perplexed like,

he should be in jail, he should be in, investigated. He should not be played on IHeart. I've already told I heart do not put his songs on any of my shows. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to support it. He's a homophobic person who supports pedophilia. That's my perspective. But our culture is like, oh, that's a little bussy. He's funny on Instagram. You can't go after him. Like, what? Yeah. No, I mean, I've seen a ton of people losing their minds about it on Twitter. But yeah, I wouldn't say that the Boosy fans are are the types who are really going to care about this, even though, I mean, I agree that it's a really insane thing for him to talk about so openly. But it also makes me think about the fact that,

you know, Baby Birdman back in, I guess, 2009 or sometime like that, like around like the peak of the little Wayne wave. I remember, like, we were watching that Little Wayne documentary and Baby was talking about the first time that Wayne ever got his dick sucked and how he said, suck little Wayne, little dick. And I remember, like, me and my friends losing our minds, fucking laughing and just not being able to believe that he was saying this on camera

talking about having a woman suck his, like, 13-year-old rapper homie's dick. And, like, we just, we couldn't believe it. And the fact that Busy is now talking about it in 2020, about an even younger, his son, and he doesn't seem to think that, like,

this is going to negatively impact him. It's pretty unbelievable. And let me say, this is why you probably know more about hip hop than I do. I didn't even know about the fucking documentary with Wayne, right? So yes, so when we posted the story, little twist goes in and says, I remember those days from the documentary, and he says, I've never been the same.

And I'm like, wait a minute, were you a victim to? And it's sort of like people have talked about it. We've glossed over it. But like, it just, to me, doesn't sit well with the idea that you did all of the, that not only did you encourage pedophilia with your child, you did it because you wanted to make sure that he was never going to be a homosexual.

And I don't think that doesn't work. I'm pretty sure. Listen, I'm gay. I've had pussy. Hello, if I'm not the poster child for having pussy and liking dick, I don't know what to tell you. Right. But the point is that a kid is gonna be a kid.

I really didn't follow Boosie's thing to my cousin. My cousin Anthony calls, hey, man, you gotta get Boosey on your show. You're gonna be millions of views. Maybe he's great. he's funny, he's just there. So then I started tuning into him and like paying attention to his commentary. I'm like, okay, I get the strippers.

Okay, now I really stopped fucking with him when he got, when he started fucking with Dwayne Wade and Gabriel's kid. But then now this one, I'm like, okay, what's happening? Why is, why are people not outrage? And that to me is the question that I'm literally, I've been for the last 24 hours

trying to figure out like, everybody is on this, okay, R. Kelly, Rkelly is a pedophile in this. And that, Rkelly been a pedophile, but his music allowed you guys would be complicit with it. You're like, okay, fuck it. He still got bump and grind. But yeah, okay, if he did that,

where the parents? Doesn't matter. But I guess now we live in a weird world where you can snitch and get out of prison and get two million views on Instagram live. I don't know what world we live in right now. No, yeah, it's pretty crazy. I always would notice that and think that it was weird

how rappers didn't really take the heat for the offensive things that they would say. Like they were somehow sort of given a pass by mainstream society. And I think we're starting to really see that breakdown. I think like, you know, when Offsad said he didn't vibe with queers, I think that that was like a big moment where it was like, oh, we're going to actually, like the culture at large is going to actually hold rappers accountable

for saying homophobic shit. This is a big development. And I think this is just, you know, what? Offsid said that? Yeah, that was a big one. I'm surprised you don't remember that. It was just a, you know, because he says five million fucking bars per year and all the different verses he does.

But there was just one bar where he said. I cannot vibe with queers. Oh, in his song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember. But see, I know Offset personally and Offset privately. Me and him are cool. He's very supportive of me.

He's very, I mean, we get along, but I don't, I didn't, yeah, I didn't, I didn't even think of that one. I've never even asked him about that. When I interview, I'm definitely going to ask him about that, though. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, it was a big enough deal that they had to put out a statement about it and shit, like acknowledging that they weren't, weren't really homophobic. I don't know.

Who knows? offset he's probably just like in a lean trance just saying whatever the fuck pops into his head in the studio well i say and maybe his relationship with carding now has kind of balanced that perception out because all of her her immediate glam squad are gay you know i mean so he's surrounded by it uh maybe he's become a more i don't know understanding of the community i don't know i've never i've never felt that way around him but i've been a lot around a lot of rappers who you know even though i may not be as flamboyant or all of that and they know i'm gay and you know some of them have been a little like they they're not standoffish but you know I

definitely know that you know whether it's the gay whether it's the blogging but whatever whatever I don't know what it is but I can always feel it's very different than when I'm with the girls you know like the girls love me whether it's Rihanna whether it's they love me but the guys are always a little standoffish and I either take that as one you fucking another bitch or two you're homophobic either way okay do you ever think they secretly want to fuck you though that like they got a little bit of loke that they're on the downlaw uh well i'm a top so i don't get fucked but i would say uh yeah if they want to fuck with me all they got to do is talk to me there's

a few that i would you know me and come up with something you know i would love to see your list you probably got some surprises on there well i'm in love with kelly obray right now that's you know you will see me when that when the NBA gets back to work i will be court-sighted the sons uh i'm saying it here publicly i've posted him on my instagram for every day with hard eyes. I'm publicly being gay for you, Kelly. I'm coming to your game. And I've actually ended up with you basketball players too, Sergei Baca, Swaggy P, to, you know, just tell that nigga like I'm looking for him, you know, because he's funny because what I like about Kelly is that I went to Kendall Jenner's party at a fashion week last year. And as soon as I

walk in the door, it's me, Serge, and a couple other people. As soon as he walking the door, I see Kelly and he turns around, he's been drinking. He said, Hey man, I know you in love with me, but I ain't with that gay shit. But I love that you in love with me and I fuck with you, but not like that. So we cool. And I was like, you didn't even say hi. Wow. That's cool, though.

That's like you made him actually like confront that and I have to have that dial. It's funny to think that you made him have that dialogue inside his head before he even had to put it into words. But I respect that though. I respect that. I respect like don't make it weird and feel a certain way in private. Don't talk in private. Just tell me straight out like, yo, keep your game. ass over there. I ain't with it. Like I personally can't speak for the whole community, but I am very

comfortable with having real dialogue because straight people's feelings matter too. And I know we live in a world right now where it's ultra-sensitive. You can't say shit because the gay community is up and our, I feel like, listen, as long as we're coming from an honest place, like, we should be able to say what we need to say. Right. But I mean, how has that been, let's even just say over like the last 10 years in terms of like the opinion of gay people and how open-minded people are to it within sort of your community within hip hop because i mean you used to even just hear like the f word the gay f word uh used to hear that all the time in rap music it feels like very very minimal but not not entirely gone for rap lyrics now so that's like a big change it the change definitely

moves at a snail's pace but it does it does take place within like the hip hop community right like i'm sure that you're observing it more more accurately than i am yeah i think you know i think if you're just blatantly using the word fagg or faggot, you know, it's like saying it's like a machine gun Kelly comes down and say bigger. Like you got to be ready for that group of people to mobilize on your ass, right? But, you know, I feel like what's good for the goose is good for the gander, though. Like you kind of got to like decide how you really want to live in a world where it's either acceptable or not acceptable. I think that, you know, there's a couple of feelings. One, when Frank Ocean came out with bad religion, I

I was really emotional because I felt like he was telling my story. And I felt like I was so proud to see somebody from my community with a story like mine to be able to be respected by quote, mainstream media and embraced by the industry the way that he was. That said, I look at Lil Nas X who says he wants to go and try some coochie.

Like, nigger, now you're trolling because 6'9 is out here on your ass, and that's the only troll that we care about. So you're trying to one up him by playing down, being a homosexual, you suck dick. I don't understand. Now you want to try some pussy. None of us wake up and just say,

I'm going to go try some pussy today and put it on Instagram. You do that for a reaction. And that kind of trolling with our community kind of frustrates me because when you make it a joke, you can't get mad when they make it a joke. And then the other thing is that I kind of feel like now the industry wants you to be ultra flamboyant and yes. And I want to try some pussy and all the stunts

to be able to get the news coverage because that's what they want to see specifically from black men. And we play right into the stereotype. So I like little Nazex and I like all his success, but I've been very critical of him in the way that he trolls the gay community because it's sort of like you're taking a real serious issue of coming out and living in your truth and you're making a joke out of it. It's like a mockery now.

That's pretty interesting. No, yeah, that definitely is a thing. Hey, I wanted to ask you about this too. How you feel about Safari and his, girl Erica starting only fans accounts as a couple like this is apparently like a thing that they can share now is that they both are only fans creators I didn't know that because I don't support them anymore on my platform I love Safari he you know I like him a lot he's a great guy and but I respect the fact that he's married to somebody that doesn't like me and so I don't

talk to him anymore and I don't follow them and we don't post about them Erica got mad when we posted her pregnancy photo. We posted a story about her having a pregnancy photo. She basically revealed that she was pregnant. Oh, wow. And she got mad because she felt like we were friends and I shouldn't have did that. But I said, well, if we were friends, you would have told me the exclusive and I gave it to somebody else.

So I created a amount of exclusive. That said, I mean, listen, so far I've been trying to sell his dick from when he was doing the whole Doc Johnson deal, you know? So if he can monetize it and make money from it, I heard recently, I was talking to somebody who said they talked to him and he put up the video of his dick that he that was leaked online that he leaked online some time ago he made $28,000 in the day from it on only fans wow from a dick they've already seen I don't know it's a new world we live in it's pretty big dick it's pretty big dick it is a pretty big dick I told I told safari you know it's pretty big

dick yeah you know I was definitely like because I did a video a YouTube video where I reviewed his only fans and I definitely could kind of feel myself feeling a little inferior by the time I got done making the video because I was just like looking at that thing and it was just vainy as hell. It was very intimidating. Wait, but are they having sex in the only fans? No. No. From my time looking at his only fans, there was no sign of her or anyone else at all.

It was like a post-apocalyptic type of scenario. But I think that probably a lot of the people who are looking at so far as, Only fans are gay men, so probably him doing stuff with a woman on there might not be in his best interest. Probably wouldn't be good for business, for sure. Now, let me ask you, as a straight man watching that, can you watch that and not feel judged or whatever because you're looking at another man's dick? Or is it just like, hey, it's just, that's, that's the content for today? I mean, I've always been the kind of person who likes to push myself to the edge of, like, what I'm willing to, like, observe or, like, me and my friends, like, we have a website that I'm not going to name me. that we will occasionally go hit up together

and we'll watch it and it's basically a much more extreme version of World Star. So, you know, I'm open to that. I remember back in the day, one time one of my friends found what was clearly like a gay porn VHS tape on the train and we put it in

and we all sat around and were sort of like, oh, like, you know, it looked kind of painful. Like we didn't know what the fuck. We were like 19. We just couldn't believe it. We're just sitting there laughing and dying. So I've always been the kind of person where I wasn't going to back away from, you know,

looking at Safari's dick, really, in the grand scheme of things is pretty, pretty tame. Especially when Rona's outside waiting to kick your ass. Yeah, I mean, hey, we all got to do something to kill some time. Yeah, this whole only fans thing, man, people are making real money out there, you know? I just don't, I don't have the body yet for that. Maybe when I do get the body, you know,

if I do find my abs, I will go put my dick out there. I'm not ashamed of it by any measure, but no pun intended. by any measure. But yeah, just, I don't know, but we live in a different world now. But people, but I do love the fact that people are adjusting with today's times. I have personally purchased some content and, um, and supported some premium Snapchat accounts as part of stimulating the economy. I do believe those content creators need support too. So yeah, you people probably have Hollywood. A lot of cash apps as receipts, but, you know, I'm a content

creator. So, yeah, there it is. Um, yeah, it is. It's a pretty, pretty strange state of affairs just that this is such a normal thing like there there's a girl that I know who's like a friend of mine's girlfriend and I think she's maybe 21 and about a year ago she told us that she wanted to start doing porn and I just remember thinking like oh my god like that is the craziest thing I ever heard I cannot believe that girl thinks she wants to do porn she is so not ready to do porn but she didn't end up doing it but then I noticed the other day that she has the only fans and I was zero percent surprised like oh yeah of course she has the only fans so that that really says a lot about how normalize the process of putting yourself naked on the internet

has become that, you know, same person one year later, I'm like, oh, yeah, like zero percent surprise. A year before that, I was shocked at the idea of it. Beyonce said only fans. Now, Beyonce, you know damn well, you're not on no only fans. I love you to death, but knock it off. This is, they are normalizing it, and then they wonder why people's kids grow up, fucked up, doing shit that that fucks their lives up. Like, I get it we're in a pandemic and money may be tight for people. So I'm not going to criticize individual decisions. However, I will say there is somebody selling all those Instagram guys and celebrities

photos and videos because they've been collecting them and I bought all the files. So I got all those files. If they ever act out, I got you. But I just feel like at some point, you may have a real serious career. You may want to get involved with public service or you may want to get involved with public service or you may want to just work in the service industry. You don't want to be working at, you know, some fucking elite place. And then all of a sudden, somebody walks in and they've seen your dick. Well, I don't know, though, because I mean, my dick is all over. My girl's only fans. And to be honest, like, I look

forward to being the first only fan senator. I look forward to, you know, being the mayor who had only fans. Like, I think that would be a good look. Wait, your dick is on only fans? Oh, yeah. you can totally I actually have done like real actual professional porn including one that I'm really proud of is that I did an anal threesome with my girlfriend and Riley Reed for only fans and I don't know I just felt like right now yeah yeah yeah it's out there wait so you had anal sex with your girlfriend and another girl and put it on only fans yeah what made you do that was it on her only fans yeah yeah my girl's like one of the biggest uh only fans girls i think she's in like the top 50 or something oh damn and you're just supporting her by making a

cameo yeah to be honest it doesn't feel like a lot of people really like care that much i think it's that out of the ordinary i would think that people would have cared more i feel like if this was like five years ago that everybody would have cared a lot more yeah well i mean it's definitely an extension of your brand hey you ever cover brian pumper you know what i have met brian pumper so many times I cannot understand this man has been in Hollywood so long and he always has the same t-shirt on. The same wife beater. The same wife beater. Yeah, no, I've never interviewed him.

Have you interviewed him? No, but I'm actually like, I'm making a video that's like a really deep dive into everything that I now know about Brian Pumper after having consumed an pause, an insane amount of Brian Puppers content. Pause. But I have this video, it's like, it's like my masterpiece. It's like the most I've ever researched anything ever in my entire life. And I'll give you one highlight is that Brian Bumper says that Kendrick Lamar came up to him in the club doing the King Dingling dance, which is basically like the stupid dance that Brian Pumper came up with that's sort of like making it seem like you have a giant dick.

And he said Kendrick Lamar came up to him doing that dance. But Brian Pumper doesn't have the biggest dick. I don't even understand what the whole infatuation of Brian Pumper is. Is it because he's a big black guy with chains and porn fucking these white girls? What is it? I think he was just very early on being like a clout chasing, like weird-ass Instagram celebrity wannabe. Because in like 2010, there was a big controversy about like people thought Lloyd Banks did porn, but it was actually some other guy, some gay porn star.

And then people thought it was Brian Pumper. And Rick Ross ended up like basically calling Lloyd Banks like a gay ass Brian Pumper or some shit. And Brian Pumper got mad about it and he put out a video on World Star who was dissing Rick Ross and Brian Pumper also disJZ which is pretty wild. I mean, if you're getting dis by a porn star

evaluate your life. Like this evaluates your life. Dude, the Brian Pumper video coming soon. It's going to be, I'm going to actually send it to you. It's going to be a game-changing thing. Wait, so what was your assessment of Brian Pumper? Like, what is just your top line thought? It just seems like a really toxic guy.

Like everybody who has anything to do with them seems like they just really end up wanting nothing to do with them pretty soon after. And I ended up making my only fan's review of Safari's only fans around the same time that I was doing the research for this Brian Bubber video. And I really believe that they both exist in like the same cultural space in the sense that like very, very similar characters,

but Safari is a lot more likable and seemingly able to like maintain relationships with women who are successful and popular and stuff whereas Brian Pumper pretty much seems like he's like meeting women at the laundromat and then fucking them on putting them on chains and leashes and shit that's a fair assessment yes and Safari is a extremely likable person I mean he's a good guy so I mean shout out to him I know I told him that um whenever he did his dick deal with Doc Johnson to send me one he never did so I don't know if the deal went through but like if you can make money out of your dick just because you have a dick like I'm all with it yeah there's something that I I didn't figure out because my girlfriend

has a fleshlight like a signature like vagina mold thing and uh I tried to fuck it of her vagina yeah and her butthole on the other side and um I tried to fuck it and uh I don't know it just didn't really work like I felt like it was too tight like I tried lubing it up it was like it was like Wait, wait. If you're saying, if you're saying that your girl's fleshlight, which was a replica of her vagina, was too tight, so it wasn't real, then what are you saying? No, it just, I could barely even get it in. It was like, it just didn't feel right. It was like a, it was my first time ever trying to fuck anything made of rubber, I guess. And it just, it felt like I was going to rip my fucking penis head in half. But did you do it for research or did you do it? Okay. I was just trying to tell her about it. tell her like, hey, I finally did it. Yeah, I want to use a fleshlight,

but I kind of feel like that would be not being myself. Like, it's a pussy. You know what I mean? Right. Like, I kind of like staying in my lane. I'm not a driver. Yeah, I haven't figured out the appeal at all on a personal level. I always thought it just didn't appeal to me,

but now having tried it and I didn't really have a good first experience, it feels like, wow, this is really, this is out. So what do you think about, and let me ask you, because I feel like I was at the breakfast club, to Envy and Charlamagne and all them about the stigma in the black community of like gay and hip hop and this and that. What do you think? Do you ever think there could be a real successful gay rapper? Um, yeah, I guess. I mean, I still, I definitely see how, you know, it would be very hard to imagine like a gay gangster rapper. Like that would be the hardest challenge to pull off.

And I think that that would be the audience that would be the most hesitant to embrace, you know, a gay rapper. I think, you know, you look at a little nods. It's like he's like a massive star and he, but he's like not really appealing to like the hardcore rap crowd. I think like over time, yeah, you'll probably be able to see more and more of it. But yeah, I mean, like even you look at like the Moconan thing. I mean, that was like eight years ago or something. But that was somebody who it really felt like like the public attitude towards him sort of soured. a bit because he was gay in a way that would definitely not happen today in the sense that

a lot of rap fans might have been actually bothered by mccona being gay which is it's kind of hard to imagine that now now it feels like he would mccona if he came out right now with a big song like that it would have been like little gnaz where he was a fucking hero yeah yeah yeah i don't know if i want to hear uh a gay gangster rap song you know yeah like mb a young boy but he's talking about clapping booty cheeks and shit. Yeah, I think if a gay man came out with a song talking about clapping booty cheeks, it probably, you probably have to take a while to digest it. Because I don't know people all the way there yet.

Like I always say to people, and you know, I'm going to probably get beat up for that because it's, oh, you're a part of the gay community. No, I'm a part of just the world, right? And like, I'm going to be a realist. I believe that everybody should be able to make music. It doesn't mean that the whole world's ready now to consume it all. Like this shit I don't listen to that, you know, yeah, you can do it, but I just don't like it.

So I just hate that we live in a world now where like you have to, you have to tow the company line, whatever that company is. Like I feel like you should say whatever the fuck you want, believe whatever you want, do whatever you want. But you know what's weird though is that it's like, to be fair, it's hard to imagine a gay gangster rapper being very popular. And I know that the term gangster rapper is not really something that people say so much anymore, but, you know, everybody will know what I mean.

But I mean, you could say the same thing. It's kind of hard to imagine like a female gangster rapper because a lot of the things that we think are normal from a male rapper are like viewed very differently with a woman like you know we're totally willing to accept codec black or young boy or whoever talking about popping pills and shit and then if you have a woman talking about that it's much more like you know people would react to that very differently they'd be like oh she's a drug addict yeah that's true it's a very different standard but i feel like um yeah yeah no that's true that's true i think we live in a world full of double standards.

I think that's because people secretly are, you know, I feel like I was telling my friend the other day, he was telling me like, oh, I'm talking to this guy, but he has a girlfriend, but I think he's gay, but I don't know if he's gay. I'm like, let me just tell you what the test. The litmus test for me is I have five brothers and they're all straight and in the streets, right? If I was to, what I would say was, would my brother do that? If the answer is no, that nigger's straight.

If the answer is, no, no, yeah, would he do that? The answer is no, that niggas straight. But the answer is yes, which my brother would not do any gay shit, then the niggas guy. But that's my witness test. Because at this point, people just, I'm not surprised by much anymore. But I do feel like if people are just very confident

who they are and just be, just exist. Like you don't have to have all the pressures of, is this right, is this wrong? Is this gay, is this straight? Is this violating the terms and conditions of my being a part of the gay community or not? Like, you're just existing. Just be honest.

I just feel like we need more transparency right now. Do gay men end up doing a little bit too much mental gymnastics trying to figure out who is gay, in your opinion? Oh, yeah. I mean, I, do you know the acrobatics that I've done? Of course. But I feel like I'll kind of like compare it to like a man trying to date a woman, right? Like sometimes like sometimes you got to do extra shit. Let me do it take through corny shit I did the other day.

And this is some corny shit. So I created this quarantine and chill lines, sweaters, hats, phone cases, mugs, and blankets. I decided to do a quarantine date with this motherfucker from Brazil, who happens to live across the street I just found out there live across the street. So what I said was, I'm going to order dinner to come to your house and my house at the same time and we're going to have this date on FaceTime. So we did this.

Right, some real gay shit, right? That's cute though, yeah. It's cute and I don't really do cute shit. I try to get straight to like the point of what I want. Like, let's just put it out there, right? But during the thing, I had on the quarantine and chill sweater, and he's like, yo, that's so dope. I like it.

So I had somebody that was at my house fold up the blanket that I had and run it to his house for him, right? That was so cute. He loved it, whatever. Now, that's a lot. For me, in the gay community, that's a lot. Now, what I don't understand is all the hoops people will jump through to get somebody until I go back to the gymnastics that we in our gay community will do to get a man to explore himself.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that because I feel like straight people do it to be cute and gay people do it to get what they want. So why not? What's wrong with it? Right. It was a very revealing conversation. A lot of stuff I never really thought about.

Damn. Yeah, I mean, like a guy will go to no ends to get the girl that he wants if he really wants her. A guy will go to no ends to get the guy that he wants. But as long as it's legal and it's moral. why not? Do whatever it takes. You're supposed to show somebody that you want that you'll do whatever it takes

to get them. Hey, what's some like gay pop culture stuff that I should consume that would like be informative? Like, what's, if you were going to tell a straight guy like this is the one TV show that will explain the gay

experience to you, is anything coming to mind? I would say pose and I was late to the post party. I had met the guys from Pose and they said that, oh, you got watch her show. I don't really watch a lot of TV anyway. But once I moved into my house and I had a lot of downtime because I just moved in this house, whatever, I turned on Netflix and I went to Pose to watch the first season. And what I loved about it was it really is the experience in

the black and brown community when black kids or people of color come out to their parents and then they get just owned and put out in the streets and they're homeless and then they become a part of a house and then they joined the ballroom scene and they become that becomes their community and all the issues of not having proper guidance or access to health care and you know just all the different things like I watched that show and I was just so just moved by it you know I'm not going to watch drag race because I don't fuck with drag queens like that and I don't want to watch drag queens that's just not my thing maybe somebody else wants to watch you know these niggas do that that's not my thing right but but I can be and even though I never

got kicked out of my home for that. I got kicked out because my mom was on drugs. But I never got kicked out for being gay. And I'm empathetic to young gay kids who go through that experience to watch it. I'm like, yo, I have so much empathy towards that because that's real shit, you know? And so I would say, yeah, pose. It's really good. I'm definitely going to check that out. That sounds super interesting. Yeah. Yeah. You should. Shit. All right. Well, Jason Lee. Cool ass dude. Yeah, it was a very good conversation. Talking to somebody who, you know, I'm kind of aspiring to be a great gossipist myself. So Adam, I see your numbers.

You don't need no damn hell. I pay attention to everything. I may be running my own race, but I peek over here and there from time and time. I would love to meet you whenever we can get through this shit. Let's do it. Yeah, and I can hit your line. I'll send you some Selena Powell content.

You know, that's where our world's overlap. No, no, no, no. Do not even speak the name. Because she, she's just, okay, I don't know why she hasn't been. killed yet. Now, I'm not saying that she should be killed. I don't want anybody to be killed, but I see the numbers of coronavirus every day with all these people that are dying. And I'm like, why wasn't Salina about one of those people? I don't understand why something hasn't happened her yet.

Maybe she just hasn't caught the right one because she's, she's somebody I could see definitely coming up killed one day. And it's unfortunate because she's a pretty girl. People get killed for a lot less. People get killed for a lot less. I feel like, you know, she, And her numbers don't even match up to the effort that she's going to, to clout chase. Like she's gone after everybody, even went after Uncle Snoop. I'm like, damn, you don't have no discretion. Exposing the cocaine thing, which, I mean, I guess I'm in the dark because I would have never thought. Yeah, I don't even speak.

You know, you speak the name. Now watch, here she comes. It's sort of like, you know, sort of like when you say, man, I should put on a rubber because I might catch some. Ah, fuck it. I ain't going to go get a rubber. Now you caught something. Now you fucked around and caught some. But no, definitely send me some links.

Send me the porn that you're watching. Any any derogatory pornographic, dirty shit. I'm with all that. I want to see your review of Safari's only fans. Okay, for sure. He loved it. He freaked out when he saw it. Damn, that's creative.

See, that's why you're good at what you do because I didn't even think of that. And I'm really out here looking at some of these only fans. I could have just did a review. But see, I didn't think about that. Well, I mean, I don't know if I want to necessarily go to this length, but I did see that Selena Powell is saying on her only fans, there are videos of her with Snoop and academics and such, which is, I don't even, I don't even want to know.

Hey, wait, having sex with academics? I mean, this is what, I read this in a blog. Like, this is being said, but I don't, I don't really have it in me to go explore and find out, to be honest. Selina, drop it. Send it to Hollywood on live. Send it to Adam and me at the same. time please she did send me the link i just didn't bother to click on it yet yeah hey so question before

we got here what do you think of the whole six nine thing are you are you amazed at it or are you i mean of course it was to be expected in terms of like popularity and all that but like did you ever think you would see somebody snitch and get out and be in the streets happy about snitching i mean i just think it's a spectacle you know it's like i i i don't like and the one thing i keep pointing out and people keep calling me a hater for it but it's true is that i haven't really seen anybody in in the rap world support him since he put this song out. Like I haven't, I've seen people like academics and World Star, they're reposting his clips, whatever.

People are making YouTube videos reacting to it. But for the most part, I've seen him get a quarter million comments on one post and I go look in the comments and I don't see one rapper or like one person that I would really consider to be like part of like the overall hip hop culture. So it's an unbelievably bizarre scenario where you basically have like the biggest rapper

one of the biggest rappers being completely rejected by the rap fans. And meanwhile, you know, the, or not the rap fans, but the rap like community, meanwhile, like the rap fans are going crazy for it. It's a bizarre state of affairs. Yeah, and a lot of people on a lot of the hip-hop platforms, radio shows and stuff, don't want to interview them. I want to interview them. I find him fascinating. I find him fascinating. You know, do I have family that's in the streets that abide by the street culture?

yes and they don't snitch, you know, but I find it fascinating that he is going against the entire he's going against the entire fabric of what hip hop is supposed to be and street codes and loyalties and this and that and he ain't lying. He's fucking winning. Like you could say whatever you want. If Jay-Z said men lie, women lie and numbers don't. He used his he used that line against the whole industry because his numbers are breaking records. So I find him to be fascinating. Would I hang with him or do some dirt with him? No, but I would interview him. I don't really believe that this situation can end well because I mean, everybody keeps figuring out where he's at. I feel like, you know, when that little white girl figured out where he lived, I just was thinking, I'm like, man, imagine if like somebody who was with the shits figured out where he lived before this little girl.

Like, I don't know. And I just, I don't see him as somebody who's going to live sheltered away, not coming outside. I see him as somebody who's going to keep pushing the limits of not only what his probation is going to allow him to do as well as like I feel like he's just going to violate his probation at some point and I also feel like he's going to go outside to the extent where like things are just going to keep happening. I just I don't feel like his shelf life seems that long to me just given all the scenarios that I can imagine taking place. Oh no, no, no, no, no, definitely. I mean, if he doesn't get killed, he's definitely going to trip up and violate his parole or his

probation. But you know, the crazy part is that video when that girl posted it. So as soon as I got it, I put it up. So we, I think we put it up. We may put it up first, so we put it up, but I put it up and I had hundreds of people in my inbox calling me a snitch. I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So I'm a snitch for posting his whereabouts, but he snitched. I'm like, fuck this world right now.

But no, I think, yeah, just can you imagine the amount of money it's going to cost to stay protected. You can't never come to the BET Awards, no matter where you go. Like you always and you're a rainbow like you're a walking leprechaun. You're not going to even be able to blend in. This story does not end well. That's the only the more I think about it, the more I'm like, damn,

we're just watching this terrible tragedy unfold. Because it's not like he's going to get caught slipping in the hood. He's going to get caught slipping because of how popular he is and everybody posting where he is. You literally cannot just walk down the street or come outside and take a picture anymore. Because now your shit's on blast. it's going to be crazy and I'm going to be right here to report it I would trust you to uh to report on it I actually just interviewed like two of the main bloods that sort of co-signed him early on and uh man

they were they were giving me a very good like rendition of that whole series of events and uh I mean I think the thing that's the biggest most amazing thing is that like when he tries to justify snitching by saying like they fucked my baby mama and they stole millions of dollars from me there's like 12 people in jail and those accusations are both about one person and are very much in doubt I don't think there's a lot of reason to believe that Shadi fucked Six-Nine's baby mama

or that he really was able to steal that much money from him but he's using that as justification for throwing all these guys in jail it's just an absolutely insane you know it just reminds me of Trump a lot how he's able to lie but he lies so passionately that people just sort of buy in on it and choose to just like willfully ignore the facts. Yeah, I interviewed WAC and WAC basically said it's those guys' fault for bringing him in the game.

Like he should have never been a part of the game. But again, you know, we all know that money definitely changes rules out here. So I'm going to, I'm interested to see how this plays out. But it's only been, what, a month or two maybe since he's been out. Like I can't even imagine what the year's going to look like. I mean, that video came out five days ago. Feels like it's been a fucking year. Right.

I mean, 53 million views in a day. Yeah. I mean, I got my doubts, but yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's suspect, but we're all watching it unfold. Oh, well, I look forward to meeting you in person. For sure. Jason Lee, very good conversation.

I appreciate you, and thank you for your time. Anytime. Peace. Peace.