No Jumper - The Jhonni Blaze Interview: Getting Trafficked as a Teen, Stripping, Her Music Career & More

Episode Date: May 31, 2021

Jhonni Blaze gets super real about her life story, past a**iction, dancing, the loss of her ex boyfriend, getting her life together, finding a new man and more! https://www.instagram.com/imjhonniblaze/ https://twitter.com/iamjzapal https://www.facebook.com/RealJhonniBlaze/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today, we have an entity, an icon. I don't know if I'm allowed to call everybody an icon. They gave me some shit about calling Cat Stacks an icon. Johnny Blaze is in the building. I could take that. You know what it is? Everybody, this is how I see it.

I'd be like I'm the best, my bad. I'd be like I'm the best singer. Everybody's supposed to feel like they're the best of something. If you feel like somebody's an icon, that's your opinion, you know, it's not a fact. It shouldn't bother anybody if you feel that way. but thank you. That's dope. I think you're an icon. He's fucking awesome.

Wow. You know? I'm excited that you're excited about this interview because you were just saying you felt blacklisted. Do you know how long I've been trying to get on here? For real? I kept getting my page deleted. This is my 41st account. Are you what? 41?

Is that how you say it? 40. 41st? Yeah. Sure. I graduated y'all just in case you wanted to know. I cheated on somebody's page, so, you know. 41?

Why have you been deleted so many times? Back then I was a dancer. Okay. I used to do the twerking. stuff like they kept spamming in I wasn't verified so people just would like spam me and I would get deleted but now I'm verified y'all can't do shit can you curse my ear yes my girl was verified and she got deleted and I know a ton of other girls too verified yeah 2.5 million got deleted well a ex of mine did it he'll be all right but got a new page three months later and it's at 600k so

right got to be doing something right I guess you guys like me yeah the booty keeps them coming back right and the booty and the talent and the talent you're fine and you can saying, look at you. Right. Wait, so how long have you had this Instagram that you're on right now? Three months. Three months.

God damn. Yeah. But wait, so were you going out of your way to post shit that would get you deleted when you were dancing? No, once I got, when I was dancing, I didn't like really take my music serious. You feel me?

I wasn't like focused on that. I was just, sorry. No, that's fine. I was focused on other stuff, like getting money, you know, partying with my friends, didn't even realize I could play six. instruments and sing and shit. So I was just like, whatever. I'm going to focus on this and post

this and I kept getting deleted. So once I like really got in tune with my music, I was just like just post music stuff. It makes sense. So that's how I happened. Were you into music as a young child or is this something you figured out later? Born with it. Six years old, I was playing classical music by the time I was eight. I started at six. My mom gave me a keyboard from Walmart. That's my favorite store. Really? Yes, Al Six, figure it out. Why? Because they have the best keyboards? No.

You ever have a key toy? Yes, I do. Really? Yeah. That's a little. I love to see you playing that. The producer. He has one.

So it was like kind of encouraged me and then I went on tour with him because I was playing piano and people kept tagging him, got on his tour. He had like 30 cities left. And he was like, well, we don't have a budget. I was like, I don't care. I'll do it myself. So I went on all 30 cities. And as a gift, he was like, you should get one.

and I encouraged me to get one, and then he gave me, like, 10 beats for free, which is beats go for like 20, 30. Right. Genuine. Zatovin, great guy. Great person. Like, he's seeing that I was pushing for it. Like, I want to go to every city.

Every city y'all go to, I'm going to perform in front of them. Because I feel like his fan base is totally different from my, but when that fan base sees you, you know, they're going to love you automatically because they're like, why are you next to the person that I'm a fan of? Oh, you got talent. I'm going to follow you. So I think in strategy mode. Okay. Yeah.

is all incredibly out of order, but is Deb the one who put you with Zatovin on that tour? It's so funny because she was my manager at the time she does know him and it just was, it's the small world. Atlanta's a small world. Right. You ever heard of like Atlanta's Black Hollywood? I have heard that. So that's what it's like, everybody knows

someone. So I play piano. People tag the person that plays piano, Zatovin, Zaytovin knows Deb. It all kind of, yeah. Wow, that's great. Kind of just intertwined. Talk to me about your childhood though. Like when you were real young, you're talking about playing on the instruments and stuff. It sounds like You had a pretty good childhood? Um, no, pretty, um, mid.

Like when you were young? Pretty mid. Because I know some bad stuff started having around 14, but. It's mid. Like, middle. It's, it's good and bad. Right. Um, and I'm, I'm not regretting anything that happened to me.

Um, just a little short story, 14. Well, I've always, before the, when you were 14, though, how were things somewhat normal before that? Yeah, like, yeah. Like, everything was always normal to me. Nothing, I don't know what normal is, if that makes sense. Okay. Like, for example, if somebody hit you, you might pray and look like, no, that's crazy, right? I would not pray.

But look, you're like, some people are like that. Or some people might punch a person in the face. Right. Some person might, a person might do this. We all have different options. So I don't know the definition of normal or either, like, the word crazy is kind of, like, weird to me, too, because it's like, what is crazy? Uh-huh. You know?

So, anyway, I did have a normal life until things start shifting around 12, 14. Right. And so everything was really normal until you just respond to this random modeling agency job? Yeah. Like I still feel, I always was like distance because it started with like, like I said, my stepfather. So you were abused as even before that? No. No. My mother was the thing about me and people are going to look at this and be like, wait, how can you talk so highly? Because at the end of the day, whatever I tell you on here, I still love my mother. She is still number one I adore her

She's my best friend You know so my mom did everything she could And she could not work Eventually this is around the six And up until 14 Because she had cancer And so she had a seizure at her At the hospital she was a registered nurse

I believe yeah And she had a seizure and they took her Her license like she could not work Epilepsy Fluid in the left side of the brain She has Sickle Cell where they had to cut her hands

so she doesn't feel the pain in her hands. My mom has been cancer three times so she's been through a lot of shit. So my mom was always a great parent to me up until I felt. And she's still a great parent. Let me rephrase that because people's like up until

I was molested by my stepfather. And that was before you were 14, before you started with this trafficking incident. Oh, so this was around the same time that he started to? Yeah. because 15 to 17 until I became legal and started dancing. That's where the human trafficking, yeah.

Because I was sent away. But did your mom know that your stepfather was doing this to you? Oh, I told her, and that's why I was sent away. Oh. Yeah, so it changed a lot of what I feel like this. There's a saying that my dad says, right? He's like, if someone close to you can do something to you and it affects you, nothing else should ever, ever affect you again.

that's how I always looked at things when things happened to me you know what I mean like I'm a very forgiving I'm an empath I hate it but I like it I guess it just makes me the person I am and I forgave her so back to that yeah she sent me away because of that but okay so I thought you responded to a modeling agency ad and that that was when I moved to New York so she permitted that no no no so I was molested by my stepfather I was sent away because I had an option to stay in the sand asylum in Tampa Florida or you go to New York with my father. I went to New York with my father, but we were at a decent kind of relationship because I was with my mom most of the time, and it was a lot of like, stay with your mom, don't stay with your dad. And as a child, you only know what you're taught

until you figure out things your own self. So I thought my dad was like this, I don't know what I feel about you. So I wasn't listening to him once I got to New York. I was skipping school. I wanted to get some money, looked on Craig's, looks like a Craigslist, kind of like a website,

and it looked like a modeling agency, you just go to Philly, and you just take pictures, I'm thinking. Okay, right. So I had, like, a couple dollars on me. There's this thing called China Bus. It's really cheap. I used to take it all the time.

Fifteen bucks or something? Yeah, like $20, and you go to Philly. I got to the house, and I realized, like, it's not what it is, but I ain't got enough money to go back home. Oh, shit. So I was introduced to, you know, a girl's seen. So crazy.

I still remember her name Dolce. Me and her are, are still friends to this day. Like she hit me and we were like in tears like we're so proud of each other. She's a great mother. You know, I spoke about her many times in interviews. Great friend of mine that I met in that house.

So it was just, you know, I was introduced not through her, but introduced. I was panicking, scared, start drinking and then I was introduced to cocaine. As soon as you got there. Yeah, because I was anxiety.

So everyone knows now, that I have anxiety problems and I talk about it on my live I use my IG to express myself and show people it's okay to be yourself because I think that's the biggest like fuck up in the world

is that everybody's so scared to be themselves that you don't know really who the fuck you need to be you know so when I got to this house I was introduced to the drugs and stuff and I never really stopped I would go back and forth so my father ended up building my

my room in the garage. Like he's a handyman, super late. I know this sounds crazy, but he's to build a whole apartment because he felt like you're not going to school. You don't want to listen to me. I'm trying to help you. And this is why I say, like, my father was, is a great father. He wanted me to be the best.

But if somebody doesn't want to listen, what do you expect? Then to society, people think, oh, it's the parents' fault. No, when someone gets of age and they've been through so much shit, how do you expect a child to even want to listen? and I'm saying this because I witnessed it myself. So I wasn't listening to him. He built my room in the garage. And so I would just keep on traveling back.

And then I started lacking in school and shit. Between Philly and New York. Yeah, Philly and New York. And so, okay, but when you first get there and you are first exposed to cocaine and you're drinking and everything. How would you describe, like, what this operation was like? How many girls were there in the house?

But is there one guy who's just sort of got, like, all these girls under him? Yeah, it's like, it's exactly what you probably see in movies, and y'all think it's like a joke, it's not a joke. And let me say this, like, this is not off topic. It is, I don't want nobody to feel no type of like, oh, I feel bad for you. Please don't do it.

I mean, I feel bad. It's terrible, you know? I'm going to tell you why. I literally asked for a long time to be on your show, right? Okay. Because I have a strategy. And I didn't know that for the record. I just found out.

You do people well, and you keep people well, and you keep on going at things and you treat people well because you know that you're going to get into a position. It's not that you think it, you know it, because why would God have any other way? Like, you do good to people. It don't matter. You might have a couple of bumps in the road.

You're still going to accomplish things. So with me, it's like with this strategy with you, like I felt like your platform shows me that I can tell my story to somebody. Definitely, yeah. You feel me? So it's like I'm giving everything. That's why I don't give a damn what you asked me.

And it's like, that's how I learned life. Right. You have to just treat people bad, even when you're in this house with all these people, you still treat people right. So when that happened to me, I was always this girl that I'm saying. So I just treated people right and I got more money than most of the girls. So I was like a favorite. So I kept some of my money. It would cause problems.

It would be this. I would be the singing girl. I sing to, I'm not proud of what I was. The thing was I was always a singer. I was seeing to my customers, they would hand me money, and I wouldn't even have to do nothing at 17, 16. Like, and women seen that. The girls seen that.

And I would have fights. I would have issues with people. Right. You know, so I wasn't never proud. And what I was saying is that I don't want people to feel bad or sorry. I want people to understand that there's millions of freaking girls out there that wish they were sitting right here and I have a voice to say something and smile. And the shit that I'm going to tell you that I accomplished,

you're going to be fucking amazed. All because it started with. how people treated me in that house. I started just learning life. I don't, at the time I'm not talking to my mother. Not really talking to my father. My grandmother was the only, like, one that, like, really pushed me, like, when I did get on track to tell you later on, like, how she accomplished things.

Would you say that you figured out that you were special in this environment? Hell yeah. It's like the worst environment, like the most fucked up thing you can imagine. But you kind of figured out that you were special there. I knew there's no way in fucking hell somebody could slice my things. throat. Somebody could do anything to me. I could lose my fingers. These hands play six instruments.

You feel me? Like real live, blindfolded, play six instruments. I could have lost stuff. I never lost anything. So that's special. Your talent and what, you don't just give you stuff just to give it to you. That's like if you played 18 instruments, like something got to give, like, you know? Did your dad have any clue what was going on as you're going back and forth? I didn't tell none of my parents that I got older. Okay.

I felt that was, this sounds crazy. most decent so that I don't get my ass beat. Right. Yeah. How would you describe what kept you going back? Did you feel like you had to or was it? It's just the money and what did I need to position myself? And that's why with money now, I position myself where I need to be.

That's where that strategy came from, that mentality of now I don't have to do those things. All I have to do, people pay me $3,000. You feel me? Just to play piano and twerk. I have this thing where I twerk and play piano, but I'm playing their record and it does. plays. I don't have to have nobody touch me. I'm in my home. How do you purchase that? Like you just book me. Oh, you just

I'll be singing. I, Lizzo plays the flute and twerks. Right. So all I did was just played a piano and twerk. It's things that I know that I'm capable of. It's strategies. You look at things. What are you capable of where I don't have to sell myself? I don't have to have nobody touch

me. I don't have to, the things that I went through when I was younger, I don't have to beg nobody. I can get on live and make money just because of my personality. I don't have to have to personality. I'm doing TikToks with kids, like not no crazy stuff like really hip hop hairy and shit like that. You did one with hip hop Harry? Yeah, like I'm doing and I think people think because I know someone who dated him. Listen, I think people think because you've been through all this

that you're not capable of doing these things. They're like scared like, oh, she's a real kid. She don't know how to dress. Yes, I do. You put on a bunch of clothes. It's common sense. You know what I'm saying? Like there's people. I don't have an age bracket that who likes me. I don't have an age bracket to who loves me There's kids that really love me I don't know why they tell me oh I love your singing I seen TikTok or I love your story Because they're going through it

I don't really look for a fan base It's just I always knew I was special I always had a fan base Wherever whether it was the worst shit ever Or the greatest shit ever And I couldn't help it How did you actually stop And were you always dealing with the same guy

The same house that whole time And was he do What was he doing to keep you coming back? Nothing. I was just special. I was the one that was getting the most money. He just made you feel special. He was never beating you and shit.

No. There's stuff that don't happen like that. Some people go through that, which I'm not saying is lying at all. Right. But I never went through that. You feel me? Like, I never. You could imagine that somebody could keep somebody like control over their mind without violence.

So me, and that's where I got the little strategy of mine, I was always infatuated with the mind, you know, what works, what doesn't, how can you talk to somebody? Not to necessarily manipulate them. I would never want to do that, but like to understand and just, you know, love language, like languages. I read a book like a couple weeks ago. Languages. My girl was trying to get me to read that book. Yeah, you should.

Five love languages. It's not so bad. It's really not just about love. It's like everything. I think I have a phone. If I sat right here and said, what's up? You would hear my love. my voice and you were here, okay, that sounds calm.

But if I was like, what's up? You hear the language. I was like, Remmy Ma real quick. Yeah. It's like you hear, it's the book teaches you how to converse with people in a type of tone. What's your love language? Oh, I'm copacetic, baby. What's that mean?

I'm cool. Like, I get it. Okay, so. But if you're with a guy, what is he, and he needs to make you feel special or whatever, what is the best way to do that? Just talk to me. It's attention? Yeah, I'm simple.

What are the other love language? Is there like gifts or time experience? Yeah, gifts are too, but I've never been the girl that was into gifts. Because I usually used to give them or either I don't really, I had some terrible boyfriends. I heard about how you were buying dude's shoes and shit to prove that you liked them. Yeah, like that's just my thing. It's not, well, back then, now I got my shit to give. That was when I was like.

Right. Yeah. I would like do crazy stuff. I would buy, do y'all have water? I ax that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got you. Can I ask you this? Yeah, you just got a list, Adam.

I'm like really shut. No, I just, I... So what's this? Okay, but this is what I want to ask is, it feels like your whole life story is basically the slow experience of you figuring out what you're worth. Yeah. And when you were 14 or 15 or whatever and going and selling yourself doing this shit.

Usually kids figure out like that, like you 17, 18, that's when you ask your child like, hey, what do you want to do? You're going into college. What do you want to do? Maybe 16, 15, I would say. Right. Me, I wasn't doing that. Yeah.

But was that option out there for you and you just chose to not want to do that? I think and I just didn't see it. Right. That's what I think. Oh, shit. We don't have bottled water. Oh, I don't care. Oh, so she's giving her the cup.

No, it's from the, it's the machine. Oh, I didn't care. Yeah. I mean, I can't kill you. Topwater ain't too big. Don't act like I ain't never. It would be kind of weird on a podcast. give somebody tap water though to anything i mean shit if that's all you had and if i was dying in coffee

oh yeah for sure me too i'll drink out the tap if i needed to but it just feels like maybe we're a little better than that right it's okay it's a good thing i came from like nothing you feel me like i was having like i don't know if you ever had this sandwich before mayonnaise and um cheese with bread no without meat no i don't know it's nothing just that that's what i used to eat well just a grilled cheese yeah i used to eat that like my mom used to work hard but she got us whatever we could so yeah i know about the tap water thing sorry right Right, definitely. Just put a little ice cubes, a little bit of sink water, you straight.

Okay, but so when did you actually end? I was talking about the process of you sort of figuring out your worth. Like, I guess when did you decide that you didn't want to be, you know, working with this guy in Philly anymore? I had somebody introduced me to Onyx in Philly. And they said you're not old enough yet. Oh, the strip club. Okay. Turned 18 and I left.

And then I built my name up so big in the strip club to the point if the person ever did want to come back to me. It's kind of hard to get in touch with. me because I have security now. Oh. Strategy person. Was that a possibility that this guy would have wanted to come back and... No. I was too... I'm just different. I never gave off

where you could keep me anywhere. Mm. It was either my choice or it's my way or no way. That's how I used to think. What was your experience first time stripping though? Like, how did it make you feel? Oh, my God. Um, mean, I was, I was a monster by then.

Like, I'm gonna dance for you. You're gonna give me your money. That's it. It is what is. I'm gonna go home and I don't want you touching me. I don't want you doing anything with me. Like, give me your money. That was my attitude.

But see, the thing about that in the strip club is you can't be that way. It's kind of like the strip club is like a little world. Like where people come to women, men, bachelorettes, women that just got married. It is like a fantasy world. Yeah, but it's everything, where all these hot girls will treat you like they like you.

And then as soon as you walk out, it stops. No, no, no, it's not that. See, the thing with me is I noticed that, and it doesn't work long if you want to get the money for a long time. You don't know what you want to become. So I didn't know if I wanted to be a singer yet, so I was just thinking about stripping. I can't be that way and treat people just like that. And then when they leave the club, treat them like shit, because it messes up your money. So it's a strategy in a strip club.

My strategy was once I figured out how to dance, I learned from this girl. I had like the real life, like, money floating at the bottom of the stripper, like shoes, like those. clear, yeah, I was terrible at first. And then I realized I was a lot heavier than others. So I was like, well. Were you built like this? You were much younger. I'm assuming that you were.

Yeah, just a smaller version of this. Okay. But still, yeah. So I was like, well. I could imagine you right now for anyone who hasn't seen or staying yet. I do gymnastics. I could imagine you doing really well at the strip club. Also, I can't really imagine you doing gymnastics.

Yeah, I really do gymnastics. Isn't gymnastics? I do boxing and heels and everything. 80 or 80 pound 16 year old girls? No? That was a cheerleader and everything. There's thick gymnastics? Yeah.

That's awesome. Okay. You could be thick. That was the strategy I had. I would watch thick gymnastics. So Pete this, though. You see how you said that? So peep this.

I was like, well, I want to learn the pole. It's like really athletic. A big girl doing it. Why not? That's what they would say. I'm a big girl. So I learned it and I started doing poll work and that's what made me different. So once I got that out the way, I was like, well, how can I do this strategy with this strip club world?

because it's different. Okay, so you pay to have a security, you pay a person to pick up your money, you pay the DJ. You had to pay for your own security? Yeah. Just to follow you around on that? But I'm going to show you how it works.

Okay. So the DJ usually gets $50, maybe $100 from girls, maybe. I used to tip with my partner that I had at the time, like $500. Let me on stage any time I want. Any person that comes in here, I get to get on that stage and they throw that money in this mind.

So as a strategy, you take care of the people that surround you, they take care of you. When it's All-Star and it's $500,000 thrown all over the place, I'm giving the DJ 3,000. I'm getting back before the weekends over like about 30 racks because I'm able to get on stage whenever I want to because I made sure everybody. Now that security that I was paying for, you're asking me about I'm hopping to so many pals. I need them to watch my money and a sweeper I pay to pick up those pals while they're there and the security follows me at each one. So I'm being monitored, so I don't have to think about that so I can go to my money. Are you the only chick in the Serb Club who's operating on this level? There's a couple of them.

The other girls is kind of basic in comparison? No, no, no. Are you like way more popular than all the other girls? I've always been, but I never acted like I was. That's what made me money, too. So the girl that had the little booty that had the customer, though, that would throw 20,000, everybody's like, why is she cool? I mean, he likes. He just, that's what he likes.

I was sweet that girl on a Tuesday didn't get no money, and I didn't know she had that. guy that she was talking to. And I'm throwing money on her because that's the type of person I am going in as a customer, throwing money like a stack on a girl. Right. I knew for a fact didn't make money. And I going on a good night and she's with the guy that throws her a lot of money. It's like, Johnny, come over here and I get two, three racks.

Because I was nice to that girl. I was nice to the girl that they want to make fun of that got a little belly gut and shit. Like everybody has an issue. I got plenty of lightbul and stuff. Like if I didn't I have the belly gut, like I don't. judge people. So I was the all-around business. I didn't have confrontations. If I did, it's probably because somebody took the money. So you figured out that it was better for business to be nice and kind to the people around. It was natural for me because I've always been that way.

I've always been like a really nice person. I don't like being mean. That shit is terrible. Okay, so were you only getting money in the club and did you stop selling pussy pretty much like once you started stripping? You left all the other shit behind? focused on it. I made so much money. Right. Like I was really like into that. Like just, it's a whole different level of how you feel.

You know, so doing that and you meet so many celebrities, like the artists and stuff, I started saying, hi, I'm Johnny Blaze. I sing. And that was what I was, the stripper's singer. So is there a lot of rappers and famous people coming through, even in Philly? Yeah, I mean, well, at that time I was

going back and forth to New York at that time. Oh, you were working there too. Yeah. And then I ended up in the process listening to my dad and graduate in high school. So you did all that? I did summer school. What age did you graduate high school? On time, 17. So we were in the strip club during all this when you're underage?

No, I'm 18. I just told you somebody took me. You have to be 18. Well, but there's definitely a girl stripper before they're 18, right? I had to be 18. I'm one of them scary people. I've been to jail three times, a lot. I know of a rapper who went to prison for fucking a stripper,

and then it ended up that she was underage. That's why, like, way back in the day. Not over here, but I mean, no, I don't do stuff like that. That's good. That's like common sense. That's her fault, too, because you shouldn't be doing this shit. That's crazy. That was kind of how I felt is.

It doesn't seem like... It's both parties, but you still look at the adult first. But if you go to a strip club, aren't you just supposed to assume... Yeah, that's why they have... That's why there's a lot of raids and stuff. But over the clubs... The clubs that I went to, they were good. They were...

Yeah, like, all my clubs was, like, legit. Like, I didn't do nothing crazy. like that, but I was still doing drugs. I was still drinking and stuff like that, very heavy. Do you have customers coming in and giving you drugs? No, I don't do that. Like, I don't, mm-mm. I feel like that's like a stripper thing,

is you get to collect drugs from the customers all night? No. I was just doing it because I was in pain. Like, I just didn't want to feel anything. I want to get the money. And you know what's so crazy? When I started going back and forth to New York and Philly, my grandmother, my dad did not want me in his house anymore,

like forget the garage that I custom made. It was a dusterer. dope-ass place, by the way. In New York, a garage in the winter, though? Was it cold? No, he built it nice. Really? Yeah, I will give my dad some respect.

I never seen. He lived by what he meant. Like, he was basically like, you're going to disrespect me. You just don't want to go to school. I want to pay for you to go to college. I want you to go to a music school. But did he know you were dancing? No, like that's what kind of pushed it.

So I was already out by then. So when I turned 18, I was going back because I didn't want to live in Philly, obviously. I stayed with my grandmother. And every night I come home, she would sit there and count my ones with me and tell me. She's like, you know why I don't judge you? Because I see so much more than what you think. She's like, and I'm not the person here on earth to judge you. I'm here to motivate you. My grandmother right now has two months to live right now. Whoa, really? I'm sorry. And this lady has freaking, she has like went to Apollo, stayed outside, like Harlem. You know, cold around that time for 17 hours waiting for me to audition. American Idol going to Ireland,

Dublin, went in the one woman band, and just gave me my plaque back. And she said, when I won the plaque, she said, the only way you're getting is if, you know, I'm sick or something. So she gave it to my dad. So it was just a lot going on. But yeah, that just brought back a memory. That was my motivation. When I was stripping come home late in night, that was my safe zone. I would stay at her house in Queens. And then also there was Queens College where I could keep my people. And then also there was Queens college where I could keep my piano up, I started getting back into it here and there, go to the college and pretend to be a student and play their piano so I can catch it because my grandmother didn't have a piano. So that was my job. I went from what you know from the

beginning of the kid to now I'm stripping, still on drugs, still aren't doing this, still have people that's trying to motivate me, but I don't want to listen. Still trying to tap into the music, but still stripping and stuff. So that's that life. And then I met someone and that's when it shifted. Who'd you meet? My boyfriend had passed. Oh, right. So I was stripping.

Oh, the love and hip hop happened, too. I got so big. You remember when dancers at one time was, like, celebrities where it was like a run for a couple years, where it was like, oh, it's this girl, is this girl. I was in that realm. So I got a loving. I felt like Cardi B kind of like capped it all off. Yeah, she cut the line off.

Like, that was it. She was dope. Her story I love. So it was, I was in that era. Like, so from there, I would do the love and hip hop, then I got off of that. And then I, well, before I got on love and hip hop, I met the guy that I was talking to. And someone killed him.

And he was like, when I say he's my motivation, I was dancing. He didn't want me to dance. He would be like, why don't you just stay home? And I'm like, no, I want to go to the club. I want to get this. I'm in my, that little realm that I'm in. Like, I'm already comfortable, you know. And he's like, well, how much do you?

you make if you went to the club? And I'm like, 2,500, just to say it randomly. Here's 2,500, go to the studio. No, I don't want it. Push it back. Go to the strip club. Someone killed him on Christmas of 2013. Were you there? Yes. In the car. And somebody just ran up on a straight shoot. Nope. We was coming

out and you know how you pull out like a, but your car's not driving. You're not driving fast. It's just rolling. And a group of guys came in front. We stopped short. They had an altercation. I'm on my phone tweeting. About something unrelated? Yeah, it was just like a random, there was no type of, they knew each other or nothing, there was no type of fight.

I didn't know the person. There was no like history of knowing each other. And the person put the gun in the car and shot off. And then my boyfriend, when I got, who, I'm sorry. Okay, so he died. he died and it's okay um sorry no it's you know what it is

I haven't talked about it in a while right biggest fucking motivation ever really when he was around yeah and then but once he was gone how did that affect you

or change your motivation it fucked me up bad and especially because you were there so when they shot him they just took off so it just left you and him I was trying to say my ears was ringing and I got out the car because I fell out the car and I tried to go around the other side

and he actually was still alive and got out the car and let off his gun and killed the person. So they both died. Holy fuck. And then he died in front of me. It's so weird because it's like the second damn time

this shit where I'm like fucking tearing up. It sucks. That's some heavy shit. But you're young? You're like 19, 20 or something? I was 23. 24. So it's been a few years now?

Yeah, and it still fucks with me, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's a heavy thing to watch. That's why I'm so big on my, that's why I'm so big on my live and I'm so open because I want people not to feel sorry, but to understand like, yo, everybody goes through something. But when you succeed and you keep going, it's everything. People literally thought I was supposed to stop. And that's not even half of this shit. Well, I'm not even going to get into how many suicide attempts I fucking try.

like on paper like off paper on the books like there's nothing i'm proud of like anything you probably can think of i've been through and i'm not having no for an answer you know this was my motivation into why i started doing music because i got so much pain and so much shit there's no reason why i'm gifted like that that was the whole i feel like there's a story for everybody like it would have been too fucking simple for me to have a normal story and just be a singer. Like, I don't regret shit I've been through. Like, that's my story. Like, it's like a holy shit.

And then, damn, she's talented. That's all I hear. I don't want no one to feel like they can't do something. Because the motherfuckers told me I was going to be in a ditch. I didn't been through domestic violence after that shit. teeth knocked out fucking drugs yeah a brand new teeth you got new teeth yeah and then I got knocked them out I had my original teeth oh okay yeah and then you're

so I um I speak it like this because it's like people are like oh my gosh she needs counseling by the way I do have two um and it's nothing wrong with it yeah didn't I see Charlemman telling you that you yeah like People be so... But you hadn't really been in therapy that much leading up to him telling you that. Did he actually impact you? Actually, yeah, I can say that was one of my impacts, yeah. One of the, my grandmother, my family is a big impact.

The fans that I do have, that I, I didn't, I don't even call them fans. It's just people that know me. Right. I just want people to know it's okay. Like, it is okay to have a counselor. It's okay to have anxiety. I have super depression. Sometimes I get in the shower and I be fucking over it.

Not to the point where I want to do something damaging to myself, but more of like, I want to cry. I want to cry in the shower. I want to get it out and then keep it going. I think if I'm not mistinky, Beyonce was like she gives herself a whole day to like really just whale it out. And then the next day I got to go, you know, because it's like you don't want you don't want to sit too long

on something, but you want to take your time, but you don't want to sit too long, because we don't have a lot of time, you know? So everything just sums up why I'm doing the music now. It's like I had to stop the drinking. I barely can take a shot. Really?

Was drinking a problem for a while? Yeah, and it was gaining weight, and you don't want to keep doing surgeries and being that type of person. The drug stopped because, the last drug I ever tried was weed. Tried? Yeah.

That was the last thing. So you tried weed and then you were like, I don't need any of these other drugs? I did everything else. And I was trying to figure out if I needed to take myself to a hospital or just wing myself off and I slowly winged myself off. What were you hooked on? Like pills, Zanz, Perkissettes, cocaine.

Just sort of live in that spiral every day? Just like, let's go. Were you going every day all day, up and down? Yeah, like just like going. And that's where the fights and the getting locked up for fighting. And so much of that happened because it's like you're just spiraling. You're just like, you don't see a purpose. After the 11 hip hop, that's when I met Deb.

And she shifted my life to Atlanta. You know, she took me down. And that's when I really was really even more getting into don't do any drugs. Like so it's been like eight years. Really? Yeah. So Atlanta was the change for you? Well, it was, I was already off of drugs by the time I got there.

But it was like, I don't really do anything but smoke. But did you have to go to rehab? No. I've always been a very different type of person. Like, I know damn well that if I do something, it's a possibility. I won't be here because it might take me out. So that's, I used to, my anxiety would start kicking and use your common sense. Like, stop taking drugs.

And I'll just smoke. Yeah. I can't drink no mamosa. Why? It just fucks you up too much? This is what happens when I drink. You're not eating enough, is my guess. No, this is the thing.

When I drink, I sleep. I go to sleep now. I feel like an old-ass lady. So I'll take a shot and then I get tired. And I'm like, this sucks. I just smoke. I'm like a real big smoker. Like half of the time, like a Wiskelifa.

Yeah? No, like under Whiz Kalifa. Yeah. Because we did a session through live one time, and we had like blunts, and we had to pull them all at the same time, and I did like four pools, and it was over. That must have been good for him on live, though, because he doesn't want anyone smoking blunts around him. You know, it's crazy. I was on the live smoking my blunts.

Right. And he was doing his, when he did the challenge, remember the challenge? He was definitely trying to fuck. No. He hates blunts. He tweets about how much he hates blunts every day. I have real friends that's like in the industry that I never. No, no, no, I swear.

And it's really cool because people would be like, oh, she probably talked to him. I have a guy. You do? Yeah. How long? For about nine months. About to be nine months. Yeah.

How's that going? Good. He's famous? No. Not really? Yes. He is, but like medium famous, maybe? You can't answer that.

Like so quiet. He's quiet. So that's what makes him, you would not think it until you've seen him and you're like, okay, that has. He's a producer? You look at him and he's like he has to be somebody. Is he a producer? No.

That's like a nice, lit, low-key boyfriend where he's not on camera every day, but he got money. No, he's really awesome. Okay. He's, like, changed my life. Really? A lot. He, he did, yeah. How'd you meet him?

In the studio. Really? I was trying to go. Okay. Is it Metro Blumen? No. No. No.

Adam. I'm trying to think of some producers. No, it's not a producer. It's just all my friends, like, I have really cool friends, like, people would be like, didn't you date this from like no soldier boy's my friend and Ali Chopper's my friend like with Gleaks is my friend like I've did with his baby mom her events that she has a slut walk

I'm just a really this is how you see how we are like talking like I'm just a really approachable cool person so when he did a live I was like oh I want to pool I want to pool mine and then I just smoked and it was we've been friends ever since like real friends that's cool yeah it's pretty cool to have like people like that Macy Gray's my friend really yeah

Like, it's cool. Oh, Erica Badu? No, I would love to, though. There was an era where she was commenting on all the SoundCloud rapper's photos. She's like... I DM'd be thinking I might get a response and I did not. I'm gonna put some hearts in her DM because she's like super dope. You should.

She's a fire artist too. I feel like she just kind of comes out and just spreads her energy to people here and it's like full of energy like drop a comment on a famous Dex photo and just... Yeah, and just like a bunch of flowers. I don't know if she still does that. She's just real bright. right no she's like a really cool artist yeah no for a long time like somebody gave me her CD and I just had it in my car for some reason when you listen to it and I listen to it like 10 times

just because it was the only CD I had yeah it's pretty cool yeah um where where were we I don't know you went down a list I'm ready what else you got for we're just going crazy oh okay so let me answer this you know there's probably a lot of people out there that when you say that you tried to kill yourself multiple times that they really relate to that a lot of people won't admit to that how would you describe what triggered you to get to that point and do you feel like you're completely past that yeah definitely i like really really like my life what kind of place were you in when you were in that situation i was depressed i was not happy i was actually so upset that i was who i am this johnny blaze like my real name is japel von krishna that's a nice name

Thank you. Maybe not as marketable, but... Yeah, I tried to figure it out, like, call me Jappel, but it's like, people keep calling me Chappelle, just Apple, Apple, Snapple, like, damn, bitch, is the J and a silent Z. Snapple fact. Snapple fact, like, okay, so we'll go back to Johnny, cool.

I was going to do a dad joke and ask you if you were late as it just plays, but then I was like, that's not funny. Somebody got me with that. They were like, you took somebody's name. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. They're like red man, Methamad, y'all did not hear me say that.

Method man. It's okay. They're united, you know. You think of them in the same sentence a lot. It's together, yeah. And this is me 24-7. I am goofy. I can't help it.

I laugh at all my corny jokes, so bear with me. Well, fuck y'all. I like it. You got good energy. Thanks. It took me a while. It took me a long-ass time. And a lot of weed.

Who got a lighter? I should have brought it. brought you a Johnny Blaze lighter. You have your own lighters. I have my own lighters. I got my own. See. That's an icewear of Vezzo lighter.

Fire. You ever heard him? Yes. He's fire. Detroit 313. Yes. That's where I lived and that's where Deb found me. Really?

Why were you living in Detroit? Because I was signed to B&B. Oh. Which had cashed all and rain dropped me. And then she found me and I went to Atlanta. Wow. I know a lot of people. That is crazy.

I went back. Like once I started like getting in the groove of like getting over all that other shit that I've been through and just like, and just like focusing. And then I was like a big drama queen, like on social media. So I had to change a lot of shit. See, people don't know how to be honest with themselves. They're like, oh, I never did this.

No, I did that. Like I put myself out that that's why y'all probably think I'm crazy. But when you show that you've changed this shit, people either going to get with it or get with it. You can't fake good energy. Okay, let me just put out like this. That's true. Let's have a conversation with a friend of mine recently about the,

I just did a cat stacks interview. obviously I've had Selena Powell on the podcast a lot of times I mean there is like you see women who basically were like abused at a certain age you know like with the with cats that actually was literally trafficked at 14 like I'm gonna I can't I can't title this video you talking about getting trafficked to the 14 because I literally just title the cat's dachuan that I'm not have to get a little bit more creative you can say but either way I'm real facts about Johnny it's just interesting how people like how a lot of

girls who endure the sort of sexual trauma at a young age end up, you know, like even in just in hip hop, like, you see different women who sort of become famous for like working through that trauma publicly. And when you talk about being messy, that's kind of bad, right? Because people love to see what you go through. Yeah. Whether we want to admit it or not, people really do enjoy where they're fucked up, whether it's great, they want to see. What is the purpose of me believing that this girl can sing her ass off? And what's the story behind her? Do I really feel interested just because she looks good, got a fat ass, and she can say, no, oh shit,

she's been through this, oh shit, she's been through that. That's where the following comes from. A person I look at, because I feel that pain, Magdalene is fucking lit, right? If you just knew Megynastayan just the name, people wouldn't be as interested. When you dig into her name,

the things that she was soaring and she loses her mom, her grandmother, she's still ace and shit, still going through stuff, people attacking her, people stabbing at her and shit, and she's still going, people become a fan of a person that keeps going. So it's like with me, my story,

and I love her story. Because I see all of that, and I'm like, damn, like I would have stopped if it was me. But then I look at my stuff, and I'm like, no, I got to keep going. So people like that are Cardi that I've danced with and seen how people was treating her and see where she's at now.

It's like people love to be in people's business. But okay, here's a question. When we talk about Meg, yes, she does get a lot of shit. Obviously, all kinds of crazy dramas since she's been famous, but she was never a stripper. How do you think the way people treat her would be different if she had been a stripper? It wouldn't be no difference because look at Cardi. It wouldn't be no difference. What I'm trying to say is that everybody has a different story.

What I'm saying is that everybody likes to follow people's stories. Right. So if it was just Meg, if we just knew Meg the style, it's just the name. And we're like, we don't know anything, but we know she's a fire-ass rapper now. We know that she's been through trauma. We know that she still be doing stuff. We know that she's a college student.

Like, everybody, Lizzo's another one. She lived in her car for two years. Then she got the number one hit. This girl plays flute. She's not shaped like everybody else. People want to talk shit, but her confidence is better than 20 girls in the fucking room. You would see her before you see all the rest of them,

not because of her size, because her energy. So people love to watch people's stories. So with Johnny Blaze, you see all this shit, and then you go to my page and you see me blindfolded, playing piano and singing my ass off and singing pain, you're going to understand.

I'm a fan now because I know why she's doing it. You know what I'm saying? So that strategy. I'm a strategy person. Every artist that I named had a strategy of their own. You see how I said I twerk and play piano and sing? I got it from Lizzo. It's an inspiration.

Some girls won't admit it. they'll be like, no, I did it first. I'm not into that shit. If you inspire me, bitch, you inspire me. So you just got to make it your own. Now nobody won't compare me playing piano because she plays flute and it's my own thing.

You get what I'm saying? Like, it's just, you got to find your own shit. Me, I want people to follow my story. I know my shit fucked up, but I know that it inspires somebody to keep going. Here's a question. Do you feel like women,

like there's a lot of talk about women, you know, supporting each other and elevating each other. do you feel like in reality more often than not women really do do that or do you find that women actually in reality just hate on each other and are super gossipy and petty both that's a mix it's a mix because you don't know what you're dealing with on twitter you got to be all about supporting women but then in your real life there's a lot of hate going on am i wrong no wait because i've never been that girl okay like when deb signed me she had other girls she was signed like signed with i never beefed with anybody i'm like oh who'd you sign today it's a girl can we do a record that's me. I'm like the cheeseball singer no fucked up history and story but I'm a sweetheart

so I want to embrace if I say something on Twitter I mean it if I really love that Coy is doing her shit because I fucking love her I'm really proud I'm not going to be like in closed doors like fuck that bitch oh my god that's so weird that's a different flex the Coy one is crazy to me because

I interviewed her here maybe a year ago and you know I always like my whole time knowing I've always thought such a crazy look like she just looks completely different than any girl I've ever seen in rap. Her attitude I love her fashion sense everything but even like when I interviewed her

it didn't really feel like the music was hitting enough that it was going to blow up and she sat here and she said we're just working on getting that one song and then sure enough boom she found a song or two and blew the fuck up that's all it takes because you know it's crazy once you get one record that's out of there yeah then they start paying attention

records that you thought or people said, oh, I'm not feeling, they feel them because you already took them in. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know nothing about Koi. When I looked her up instantly, the look alone, like what? Like, you look totally different. Yeah, you don't want to look. Is it awkward for you because you're loving hip-hop royalty and so is her father, Benzina?

No, you don't know him? You know what it is? I don't get into, what is it? My name Benet and I ain't in it. I don't get into no. I'm like Ray J's hat moving around. around. I don't know nothing. So you know mad loving hip hop jokes that I don't

get right there. Okay, so his hat used to constantly His added, his edit. I saw you yell at Bawa. No. That's all I saw. That's not on love and hip hop. What was that? Growing up in hip hop. Oh, so many branches to it. I've tried to watch love and hip hop with my girl too. Like we tried to watch the dope button season. I noticed that girls. My girl couldn't handle it. Girls really do make their guys like watch the loving hip hop thing. Yeah, but not me showing my fucking Armenian girlfriend loving a hip hop thing. I, I, I, me showing my fucking Armenian

girlfriend loving the hip hop was so foreign to her like she had no idea that this existed to her it was like negative she's like she took the negative like energy like for me i can watch it and just laugh and like think this is crazy she kind of like found it upsetting to a certain extent which kind of surprised me but it can be i'm trying to get some lip gloss my bad um it can be but it's like um with me hip-hop, whatever you see when you go back, if you take a moment and see it, everything was what you seen. At that time, I was fucked up. I was going through my boyfriend, passed away.

I was going on TV. I didn't know no better. I wouldn't let people talk to me crazy. I wanted to fight. But I didn't even know that this is the moment where 90 million people are watching you, and you should probably sing and play the piano. So I had one episode. I did that.

And they did let you flex your talent because that's, everybody goes on there wanting to show their talent and doesn't really get to show the talent, right? This is a thing. Everything else crossed it. So they knew. me as the lit girl that can sing but she's a liability nobody we don't want a damn liability they got to paint you as something right yeah so it's like i have to change that you know now i'm ass at like a motherfucker like johnny blaze lighters i got the little trays i got to send you a gift thingy oh i need

like the shirts and all that stuff did you ever date joe buddden no okay that's my friend what do you think about the podcast breakup why does everybody do that to me you just seem like Joe Button would date you. To me, I just feel like when I imagine girls that he's dating in his life, I imagine a lot of girls who kind of look like you. Wait, but why does everybody pair me with everyone? Have y'all ever thought that maybe pair me with a bitch? You're into girls?

Yeah, it's like, why y'all be pairing with me? Coil-Loray. She's so pretty. Could you date her? No, I want to be her friend. Her or Joe Butter. Her. I really would want to be her friend.

Like, I wouldn't even want to date her. I just like being around pretty people. Her or mall? Like her the singer? Sure. Yeah? Or mall. She or mall?

I don't know who her. I don't know what her looks like. Her is beautiful. Okay. I never seen her. She's like, she's the forehead crew. We're the forehead crew.

Look. When I seen Rihanna, look, we're gonna keep real. When I seen Rihanna do it, I was like, oh yeah, it's forehead.

What's the? Oh, what? Like taping your baby hairs down? No, I got a big ass forehead. Do you? Yeah. It's just the lace front's laid down nice. Don't trust me.

When this comes off, baby, it's a six head. So for you, do you put the baby hairs on your forehead to make your forehead look smaller? Is that a tactic? Yeah, kind of. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Pretty cool, huh?

Yeah, the baby hair thing blows my mind. Looks like mine, huh? Because I don't really like, I'm not around a lot of girls who do this, but then sometimes a girl will come into the interview and they have them all orchestrated on their, that blows my mind. Yeah, it's like a little design. It's kind of like your beard. Don't you.

Disgusting mass of black and gray hair, yes. I mean, it's kind of cool, Adam. Is it? It feel like it looks kind of gross. I get GQ vibes, you know? If I was going to be like a love and hip-hop guy, I would have to fucking start dying my beard. Why? Because all these rapper dudes, once they get into their 30s, 40s, they start dying

their babies. That damn Beijing. Hey, y'all stop doing that shit. And you realized once the pandemic hit, when the pandemic hit and everybody's beard's turned gray all of a sudden, it was like, aha. I caught you. Which to me was crazy, because if I'm puffy, I mean, there's got to be one barber you trust to be in your house for fucking an hour to die your shit or whatever, right? People was going through it in COVID. I don't think people was thinking about no haircuts. I think they were flexing the fact that they were social. Distance thing. Look how socially distant I am. My beard is turning gray. I must be socially distant.

Actually, that was a trend. People were showing what they look like after months and months of being in the house. That's crazy. You said that. Oh, weird, right? Yeah. How was your pandemic? Boring-ass interview question? Super late for some reason in the interview? It was great because I stayed out the way. You did? Yeah. I did 10 music videos. I did filming for a TV show. I got records for my EP. N. L.E. Chopper, Trina. who Lord juicy fruit Macy Gray, Neo has been a couple

That's what's up Yeah, been working Do you still feel like you're struggling To get people to respect You as an artist? Because like one thing, my boy AD who was here When you got here, as soon as I said your name I'm assuming he's going to say something about how you look

And he was immediately like, yo, she got a fire-ass voice She's a great singer So there you go That's sweet Oh, that just touched me. Where are these tears coming from? Oh, my God, AD. That's sweet.

Because, you know, I'm going to tell you why it's so super dope. The company that I went, the label, the independent label I'm with, Gtm. They told me on my contract, it said, I couldn't sign unless I did an R&B record first, an R&B album first. Oh, really? That was the only way that I can get signed. Wow. That was like the biggest thing on the contract.

And bold-ass letters? Because you kind of want to do a rap album? No, because. because I was into the Atlanta kind of, I was a singer, but I was doing it like a trap, like type of, it wasn't like singing. It wasn't like the Jasmine Sullivan. That's the voice that I have.

The voice that I feel that I'm in the category of her, Kalani. Like, that's my vibe, but I'm doing all this bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy. Migos type stuff. So they were like, you can't sign with us unless this happens. So with me, it's like, I don't struggle. I think I'm doing pretty good. I get a couple millions of views on my YouTube when it drops, my streams are cool.

It's really just you keep going. When somebody sees it over and over again, it's like you have to respect it. And the reason why it touched me, he said that because at the beginning when I signed with my label, it was nothing but she got a fat ass, she looked good, she got a fat ass.

They said, why don't you start posting singing and upgrade your phone? I had a six for a long time. Upgrade your phone. And it was blurry. You know, it's all about the visuals. These days, you want a TikTok? I upgraded my phone.

And then, bam, I went from the small page to a really big page and getting verified, like, just showing consistent. So I'm not worried about whether people respect it. When you hear the records, it's not because of the features. The features are amazing. And I said them with pride because it's like they were genuine. And it was like through social media, me DMing or me playing piano to their stuff or something. It's just like really cool to see now people are saying like, no, she can, at least one person saying, no, she can.

sing, so that's why it's cool. Thanks. And he's got a cold heart this guy, AD too. So, yeah, yeah, he's heartless. Oh, he's like a... He's one of them. Yo, this feels like all of my interviews that be like, people scare me, they'd be in the comments like, if you're about to do that interview,

be careful because... And I'm like, no, I don't get that... Charlemagne, that's who they said it about, not you. He's good at that, though. They were like, he's going to do this. And I was just like, I don't get that vibe from him. When I got there, I really, I thought it because we had exchanged.

some words before. I think he's changed too. Man, when I got on there, he was super cool, and I'm like, you can't judge what people say. You have to, my energy is going to show like, I'm not bad. Just because you've seen Charlemagne have a certain energy for, you know, Post Malone when he went in there, when he first came out, a Birdman or whatever, why would he necessarily put that on you when you're a young, up-and-coming artist? He was really cool. He was cool with me. And it's so crazy. None of these people know my music. I think it's more of they're interested in my story.

And once you get into the story and then you're like, you know what? People always do this. They're like, you know what? Let me go check out her music. They're like, holy shit, that's what makes me smile. So it's a strategy that takes a process. You just got to keep doing it. Okay, so you said that you always kind of had like, you know,

because you always have to deal with the fact that the fact that people knew you from looking at you before they knew you for music and stuff. Like when I'm watching that pop hona video that you did, I felt like you were kind of going out of your way to keep it sexy, but not make it crazy ass shaking and the camera sexy. There's a line that you're kind of trying to be on, right? So now I'm just like changing that completely. That was my last, like, hip-hop video for a while. So you see yourself, you're really going to. They're shifting me.

Like, there's text messages and groups where we're like, so today, this is the gown you're wearing. I'm like, gown with heels? Yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, cool. All right, let's do that. And it looks great. And I'm like, oh, I can't wait to drop this. Right. Like, they have a visual.

I see it. I like it. It keeps me in where I want to be, like, on the piano and sing. It's cool. The EP's pretty dope. I got rappers singing. Really? Who else?

Who's singing? In Ali. He's saying? It's like a, it's fire. It's like an interlude. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Did you buy any of these, like, organ.

Herbs and stuff that he's selling on Twitter? No, not yet. He's really spiritual. You know, you know, it's crazy. Like, that's a really, really, like, real friend of mine. People, like, when I tell you, I have with fan base, like, there's no age limit. I don't have an age limit to who likes me, like, and who's, like, cool with me. I'm cool with everybody.

I'm cool with the baby. I'm cool with the older person. I'm not really judgmental. Definitely. I'm a vibe. Do you think that Nikki Minotah should unblock, uh, jublishment? JT of City Girls on Twitter. That just came out in the news today.

I don't know. You know why I don't know? She wants to get unblocked. Because I don't be knowing nothing. I swear to y'all, I'll be trying to stay out the way. Does Nikki have you blocked? No. I checked today she doesn't have me blocked.

No. Thank God. I love Nikki. I like everybody. You're just out here trying to be cool. Trying cool with everybody. Yeah, like I'm like, I don't be knowing everybody beef. I'd be smoking and singing.

Mm. Respect. I'm boring at times. Do that's how you feel now? No, I be feeling like I'm boring at times. Well, to me, I think the more time you spend in, like, the club when you're young, the quicker that you can sort of become boring because sometimes I see guys who are, like, making money, they're like 45, and they want to be in the club every weekend.

And I'm kind of like, bro, I was drinking myself to death all through my 20s and shit. I'm super cool now. To me, like now going to the club and also when you're well-known. Yeah. Because you've gone to the club as a job. I can't go in or more. It's been your job so much to go to the club. It can't just be fun now, right?

I can't even go every day. Why? Because it messes up. It messes up your business. If you're thinking, I'm thinking money mindset. Right. Like, I live in a city that it's popping. And if you keep going to all these clubs, like, why would I book her here?

She's at this club every Sunday. I don't want to pay her for that. I don't want to do it for that. Like, so you got to keep yourself exclusive to an extent. point, pop out here and there and don't even mention it, let people take a couple pictures of you. This is just my strategy. Like, when I go to these places, I make sure I'm purposely seeing because I'm going out for a reason, because if it's not going out for money, it's going out for the attention to bring it over to what I'm doing.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So if I go out, I want you to take pictures with me. I want to, you know, converse with you and shit. But if it's my bag, I go out, but you shouldn't go out all the time as a girl in Atlanta because of the way you're like value down. But now I'm at a weird point where I just, I haven't, well, obviously I haven't gone out for like a year because of COVID. I mean, that's just like with artists and shit like that, like and stuff. But if you're just like a normal person, I don't think you should be going out. Because people would be saying to me like, oh, your career is over once you stop going out to the clubs. I don't go out.

And I'm like, I haven't been to the club in years. My club is in my house. I feel like nobody gives a fuck. My house is pretty popular for a club. But do you think that my life would be better and like, I would be more respected if I was buying tables at the club. And like, people do this. Like, people really invest in, like, presenting them. as this cool rich dude.

So people like doing that. I'm not sure if I'm ready. I was around people that was like... Having a baby, if anything, makes me way... Yeah, that's gonna be really cool when I do decide to have them. Yeah? Yeah. You thinking about it?

Yeah. Oh. Not now though, like, yeah. Really? I don't know. I'm floating with it. What's your dude think? Is he ready?

I don't know. Yeah. You have another conversation yet? Kind of. Sort of. Does that make sense? Now that I have a kid, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe I wasn't doing this before. This is great. It's so fun.

My brother brought my niece over to the house. I just, oh, I couldn't let her go. That's a gateway drug. Once you get some good nieces and nephews. That was my first one. That'll make you really start to be like, oh, I want one. She had the forehead effect. I know she's about to have a big ass noggin.

Right. It's already showing at a young age. And it's like, she had a big ass head. Do you think it's fucked up if I get my daughter a lineup? No, why would you do that at him? Like a Puerto Rican guy. It's a baby. I know, but it'd be really funny.

It's a little girl. It's a girl boy. Girl. You can't do that. Why would you give her a... Why would you do that? It would be fucking hilarious if she had a fade. Please don't do that.

No, okay. Don't. Pray on that. Pray on that. Pray on that. I mean, her hair is kind of all over the place as is. Do not shape your baby's hair. Fine.

That's what my girl basically said, too. She said no. Don't do that. I'm full of funny ideas. That one piece that you might cut when she get older may never grow back the right way. And she's always going to remember like, Dad, you shaped me up. I have a lot of good ideas. I really want to dress my kid up as Hillary Clinton for Halloween.

That is cute. Like in the little pants suit with the yellow wig. That would be funny right. But all these ideas are like a lot of work. Not the first one. Not the lineup, no. No, but it would be hard because you imagine trying to try to. and cut a baby's head with a raise?

You can not line up that baby's hair. Do not do it. She really doesn't have the kind of hair for that either. Don't do that. Don't do that. The Hillary? That's good. We are there. Okay.

Not the first one. Okay. What kind of shape of? I said just like a Puerto Rican guy. Like to me, that's what I'm, I'm thinking of just like every Puerto Rican dude I ever seen when I lived on the East Coast who just sort of had the straight in the front. They got the cute little lines. Take some baby like the, like some baby, I don't know, jail or.

whatever for babies and just swoop it to the side. It would be amazing to like give her the baby hairs on our baby forehead. You can do that. That would be funny. Baby, baby, baby forehead. Baby hair, baby forehead. Baby hair, baby forehead. So no babies just yet.

No babies yet. Can you believe that we made this whole interview and I didn't mention Drake once? Damn. That's cool. It's kind of an old story. I've seen Vlad flashbacked a couple times. I'm proud of you for that. Thank you, Adam.

Yeah. You never ended up talking to him? No. No. Just moving forward. He's a big No Jummer fan. He's probably watching this not even caring if he got mentioned. No, he's not.

You know what? There's nothing bad for me to say. It's not like I'm prepped to say this because I just be saying whatever is in my mind. I've been already spoke about it. And I guess I'm like past it. And it's like I did a mistake. Some people can't admit when they do stuff. like, oh, I ain't going to admit, no, I was messed up.

You know, that's funny, though. I haven't said, sorry. That's the difference between you. I didn't get blocked. You, Selena and Kat Stacks is that they kind of like made that their whole brand of exposing dudes. But then you, you had like one very famous exposing that sort of seems like you regretted it very soon after. Yeah. Because I know I was wrong for it.

Like, if you're not honest with yourself, you're not going to get fucking far. So it's like, I know he's probably watching this. It's cool. Like, I'm ready for when I could really like push this music and then he might be like, well, send it over, let me get a track. Like, I'm thinking of positive things when you think positive shit, positive shit happen. So with me saying anything bad, there's really nothing bad to say. Right.

Like nothing. It's like a code amongst girls, don't you think? They're not supposed to expose the guys you slept with if they don't want to be put out there like that? No, it's not no code. It's common, damn sense. Right, yeah. It's, you should know. You know what I'm saying?

Around that time, it was, like, super cool to, like, go off and expose people. But with me, I'm a little different because I got a hell of talent and things that can really, like, bring me a lot of things my way. So it's, like, I think differently. I guess that's why that was, like, the only biggest stamp, like, everybody was, like, focused on. Like, you don't really hear much of me with relationships like that, you know? Well, when you do something that's so viral, it's easy for that to drive. drown everything else out. Like, how is some good music supposed to compete with exposing the biggest rapper in the world?

You know? That's tough to, like, keep the attention on the music. It's not tough at all. Well, now your years removed. No, I mean, like, it's not tough at all. You just got to focus. You notice you fucked up. You apologize.

You hope somebody accepts it, and you just keep on going. If you, now, what makes it fucked up is if you did it and then you keep trying to do it, then you keep on doing it to people, then you keep on exposing the same person. It's like, I would never fuck with you. But if you see a change in somebody, you just keep on doing it, people eventually have to respect it.

So that's why when people ask me about him, it's like, they're like, oh, you don't have nothing to say. I'm like, no, there's nothing bad to say. I did what I did. It was crazy. It's not cool. I thought that was hip to do.

I thought it was cool to be that girl and shit, not knowing that I have all this talent. You know, that was the same person that was my friend at one time. It was easy to be like, I'm about to put you with this producer and I need you to go to this studio. You know what I'm saying?

Like genuine shit. So I'm not going to shit on somebody and try to like put to the world like, oh, that was cool, that wasn't cool. So that's how I look at it. Now other girls might be a little different where they brand their stuff around. I don't want to brand myself around.

Oh, it's all about this, like focus on it. So you just gotta keep going. Nowadays they make a YouTube channel to expose their ex-boyfriend or a rapper and then they like have the YouTube. I'm super cool on that. You're not going to be a vlogger? Uh-uh.

Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. I make money. I know. You have a huge only fans, right? Like in good, like in good, yeah, I just be twerking into it. Isn't that crazy how the game has changed that now you can make so much more money off

of only fans? I was like one of the first girls that like really. But like when you compare that to stripping where you got to like interact with all these dudes. I don't have to. I don't be doing nothing on my thing. Like I literally be like selling my behind the scenes of music videos because I have shorts on. That's what people want to see, twerk videos.

I was known for twerking and dancing. So I'll sell that and I've made crazy money. That's how I got to where I needed to be. Like, I invested in my music. I invested in my sound. I invested in the time and what I want people to see. Yeah. Like, I have other, like, my merchandise.

Damn, that's a lot of shit. Anything that's going to make me money that's positive, I'm with it. Like if it's going to do some derailing and shit Now I'm not with it But if it's money Anything that can From your head to your toe You can make money

So anything that's going to make me money The right way I'll do it So the only fans is a plus But I have other things outside of that The merchandise My eyelash line You know and I make it affordable for people I go on live and I talk to people

You brought my merchandise I'm gonna go on live with you I'm gonna send you a shout out video Thank you like I'm a hustler Like you got to give to You know what I'm saying? Give and Take So, I'm a vibe, man.

Much respect. I was watching. I was watching interviews with you, like, leading up to this. I was like, I like her. She's great. You remember when we was making a joke about the Spirit Airlines? Like, I really used to take, I was like a bad bitch taking a Spirit airline before. They were not today.

That was just a joke. Oh, it was a joke. But, no, I really have, like, been that girl trying to be something that I'm not, and then trying to rush over to Delta and make it look like I was leaving Delta. Like, I was one of them girls always caring about what people think. Like now it's like I'm in position where, yeah, like if I wanted to right after this, I can go to a different country and swipe my car because I put myself into position and never fake something and actually be that. So that's another reason why people like fuck with me. Like I think like that's what majority say when they meet me.

For sure. I got to go get my daughter's ears pierced. I got to go to the whiz. And we're going to get her shape up. No, you're not. You know what? Maybe don't do that. Okay, I won't, yeah.

Everybody go check out her music, all that, social media, everything. Cop the only fans. Cop the DM, whatever that might be. Oh, God, speaking of that, stop sending me those unusual pictures. You don't like that? Man, it's a lot, man. A lot of girls do that and they rate them. I be trying to, no, I be trying to like, you know, I do promo and stuff for people,

and then I get a penis, penis, boo, penis, boo, penis, boo, boo, boo, vagina, a penis. Fucks up the vibe. Fucks it up, man. I'm sitting next to my dude. It's just a bunch of dick in my damn... I don't want to see that shit. Nobody wants to see dicks, guys.

I don't. Anyone. It's not right. No dicks. Cut them off. No, don't do that. Chop them off. No.

I mean, okay. Out, Adam. Johnny Blaze. No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes. Like, comment, subscribe. Nojumber.com if you want to support.

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