No Jumper - The Joe Budden Interview

Episode Date: May 10, 2021

Joe Budden finally made his way to the No Jumper podcast to casually chop it up with Adam about how they appreciate each other, their ideas, point of views, their love for podcasting and more! https://www.instagram.com/joebudden/ https://twitter.com/JoeBudden ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Joe Budden is in here today. Are you mic checking? Are you ready? Are you just, what are you supposed to happen? What are you doing? Oh, we're live. Second coolest podcast in the world.

I wouldn't say like cool is necessarily, well, how would you rank cool in terms of your achievements that you're going for? Ranker. Nothing I've done probably is considered cool. For the record, when I came up with that, that was kind of like us just making a joke out of the DJSco tag. Cool is DJing. world which now that people don't remember that as well it's not that problem people don't

think of that being what i'm referencing yeah now you just sound silly i'm just really like a 37 year old white guy telling you how cool i am look at you got your fucking white guy hair cut on for me that's the all right haircut yeah no that's not what that is you look good this is all right you look good too thanks let me wipe this from all these gonna get in here hey did we clean this chair we just just had my kid in here she's like six months and i was trying to get a photo of me like interviewing her and we put the headphones on her and then she starts sucking on the fucking headphone and i'm just thinking about everybody who's dirty ass ear gunk touch that you got inn ears in come on i don't do it i mean you don't have to but no i like to hear i like to hear the audio quality how do i

know i sound over there is that john josh sorry hey josh you know what i think is so great about this is that to a lot of people, me and you having a conversation on camera has got to be like some Batman, Spider-Man shit. Because they're from different universes. They're not supposed to, like, interact. But here we are. Did you tell them that we know each other? We've spoken, yes. They probably heard me talk about the multiple times that I've spoken to you multiple times. No, we've met a few times, not just spoken. Right. That's like phone calls. That's like phone calls. You had me pull up to the penhouse. Yeah, I remember it.

And when I went to throw a sig off the patio, and I was like, is that all right? You're like, that's why I pay for the penthouse. It's true. It'll make me sound like that. I know, I appreciate it. That is what you get. As a person who's been spending as little money on like hotel accommodations

my entire life as possible, I was impressed by that. I'm like, oh, that's why you get it. You get these moments as a creator where you feel like the world should be your ashtray. And that's really symbolic of that. Wouldn't you say that your career has taught you that any time the world is building you up, that it's probably time for you to start privately humbling yourself? That's one way to word it. One way to word it. You're either always coming out of something, going through something, or about to go through something. If you've looked at your analytics long enough, you just know.

that your life is not going to be a series of ups. It's going to be ups and downs along the way. Depending on what you pull from the analytics. Right. And I'm talking like literal analytics as well as your own personal analytics, your private scorecard, you know? Got it. Your happiness level.

It's just not going to be on a consistent upward trajectory your whole life. That's what I told a little yaddy in the internet killed me. I think people took that more, as you're being upset about him being happy at all. I'm never upset, though. I don't know why I'm taking that way Actually I just had that experience in the store earlier I was shopping with my My pal over there

Which designer store were you in? That's not important I'm trying to get people to judge me But I was shopping and I got my shit And then I left and my man was at the register Getting his shit and he was leaving He came out and he was like yo The director of cashier she was talking about you When you left and she said that you're like notoriously mean

And she was just happy that you weren't mean. And that's why it's so great. Set standards low so that if, and I get that all the time too, that people are like, I thought you were going to be an asshole. You were nice to me for 30 seconds. Holy shit, you're the best guy in the world. You were great when I met you.

Yeah. Well, I'm in. Each time. Well, clearly I have a reason to me nice to you, Joe. What's the reason? You're very powerful and well known in our space. Oh, shut up. And I'm not telling you that I'm disingenuous.

I would just would hate for you to apply that logic to, other people that you meet. I don't maneuver that way. But people being nice to you doesn't really tell you almost anything about what kind of person they are. No. Nice is the easiest thing to be. I'm agreeing. If I just only agree with the things he says, then I won't go viral.

Hmm. We have to find something to argue about. No, no, no. I prepped all week for you. Preped how? Once I knew you were researching, and I just started. researching me too. Oh, God. For the record, I didn't go that deep. I just dove

back into the early days of the J.B.P. No, that's episode. You said episode one. You have a Joe Button TV video that's just called White Power. Yeah, that's Homeboy and, uh, that was in London. Oh, wait, we were playing Una. Or is some, some, no, monopoly, monopoly, yeah. And it's called White Power. The video is called White Power in all caps, I believe, and I was just like, whoa.

I guess I should watch that one. It's been an issue my whole life. racism? Oh yeah that makes sense white power come on loosen up buddy hey Josh man what's up with him

would you like this with folio come on cheer up let's hear up but it's harder to pull something out of a lot of these young rappers whereas you're pretty much like the dude who talks about a rap on the internet

I don't want to say best but at least like you know that draws the most attention when you say but these people come here to say some outlandish shit with you I wish more of them knew that that would behoove them, don't you think? Like, don't you see people, like, up-and-coming artists, and you'll, like, watch an interview with them, and you're like, you're like, you did not do yourself any favors there? I'd be wondering how some of these interviews take place.

If I was Tristan Thompson, I'd come just wreck this whole set. And so I'd come break these bites. Instead, we got the cease and desist. I'd throw these fucking cameras around. Get this shit the fuck out of here. Never again. Are you kidding me? Yeah, but you watch basketball.

No, no jumper. Enough of that. I wish I knew what I was getting myself into that one. What the fuck is Tristan Thompson? I got to find out who this dude is all of a sudden. You should research. You should research people. Yeah, that would have been good.

Especially when you have their mistresses or adulteresses or whatever you call them. Allegedly, I don't know. I just didn't realize the gravity of what she was saying in that moment. But you were taping it. I was. You was going to get it. Well, thank God us podcasts. Those aren't really held to the same standard that everybody else seems to be.

Although we got Seasons assistant. I had to take that one down. Do you get a lot of those? I got another one from Gucci That was pretty exciting I got one from Red Bull one time But when you get them Is it a sign that you're doing something correctly

Usually Because if you put It's always been for shirt parodies for us Like we had a Gucci main shirt That was like it looked like a Gucci shirt But then I had Gucci main in it It was brilliant honestly And we were selling them like crazy

And we got had to get the cease and desist for that Okay Well you can't steal Gucci designs But you can't It's just a way to do it. If you're popular and you're doing it on the internet, it's not a great idea.

But the amount of copyright infringement you can get away with if you're just selling shit on the street is like infinite. I wouldn't know. I try to abide by the law at all times. I just see all these dudes selling shirts with like lean bottles and fucking pictures of rappers that they don't know and all this shit.

And I'm like, selling that is the easiest thing in the world. Selling drug merchandise is probably the easiest thing second only to selling drugs. I see where you go here. I'm following you. If you go with the easiest thing that everybody loves, but that you can't, that can't legally make merchandise.

That's why everybody makes fake backward merchandise because backwards can't make merchandise like that. They have to put all these big stupid warnings on it and shit, you know? Why they're doing that? Yeah. You taught me something. And they won't cease and desist to you because they can't make it themselves. I don't get season to assist that way.

Maybe I am the second coolest podcaster. you're probably just more careful with what you put out there. Yeah, I don't make Gucci shirts. That's why when I was listening to your podcast from back in the day, I was like, holy shit. Like, Joe was giving us a lot of shit that he would never give us these days. Like what? Tell me. I mean, for good reason and for, you know, the duration of your career,

you know, you're basically kind of like discussing a lot of the politics of like fucking, which I don't get a lot of that these days. politics of fucking. Yeah, like, you know, just sort of like, oh, like if you fuck a girl and you don't call it back and this and that and like all this kind of stuff that like there's still a ton of people who want to discuss this online. But it feels like you went through some kind of transformation where you realize that you didn't want to air out your personal life and the details of your personal life in real time on the podcast. Or I just stopped fucking as much. That's fair. You got to do that sooner.

I think I started podcasting when I was, what, 35, 36. Yeah, it's my heyday of my sexual career. Mm. At 40, 41, it tones down a bit. Wait, how old are you? 37. Been a relationship for almost five years. 37, you look 49.

You fucking white people. Yeah, white people, but... I mean... 37. So in three years, four years, you'll see. You'll see what I'm saying. Oh, I'm already all the way there. You'll eat a steak for dinner and you'll see how that steak affects the sex that you have an hour later.

Really? Yeah, it's one of those. I still haven't even dipped into the sex pill game yet. I hear you talk about that too. Oh, love them. Love them. Yeah, see, I'm just waiting. Didn't even need them this weekend.

That was naturally me. Okay. Enough about your penis. You asked. You brought it up, buddy. You've heard way worse topics here. Can we talk about aging? I just want to say, if you have a black shirt, you might be able to wear that thing a couple dozen times.

You got a white shirt. It's just not going to last as long. It's going to look all fucked up within a couple of wares. How did we get there from sex? I'm just saying that being white, I think there's a reason why we don't tend to age as well. Why? Because it's light.

You can see all the fucking the details and the blotches and stuff. It's from years and years of colonizing, years and years of murdering and fucking torturing, slaving. Years and years. I get it. right that's fair i like how you when you come in here are just like look at this like how like and i get what you're saying because give it to me in this day and age where it's like you could

very easily go be interviewed by a whole bunch of different rappers and people who really have you know a lot more uh creds in the credits in the game than i guess i have it is kind of weird like where the fuck did this shit come from why does the world need a no jumper Adam, what are you talking about? Shut up. Nobody said that. Nobody said that. Nobody alluded to it.

Nobody emboldened. Why are you marvelling at this? Like, why does this exist? And what makes you think that was me marveling at you? Okay, maybe marveling. I said you was cool. Okay, okay. I said shit looked okay in you.

What's wrong with this guy? But there's an extent to which I can tell that you're just kind of like, what, and I feel, I guess I'm projecting because I feel this way. How do you feel? I feel kind of like, you know, if I were to start this point, you know, if I were to start this podcast in 2021, it just doesn't make any fucking sense. Because you can go do a T.I interview. You could get a big bank interview. You could get a... Oh, you're projecting fears.

Don't do that here. Young creators might be watching. We don't need you to protect your project your fears onto them. If you want to start a podcast today, pardon me. Fair. You can. You're not late

to the game. Don't be discouraged because I have one. You have one. T.I. has one. There are 1,000 podcast birthed per second. Just what makes yours unique. But wouldn't you agree that in order to be successful in the podcast space, you have to present some sort of unique value?

No. Do something that nobody else is doing or you have to do it better. No. Yes. Oh, you asked me. My answer is no. Your answer can be yes and the two can coexist. But my answer is no, it's the same as in music.

You don't have to be unique to be profitable in the music business. If you want to really stand. As a rapper, you better fucking stand out. No, shut up. That's not true. Only here do you have. That's where you get

this clout chasing culture from. That's not true. In rap, you can be the greatest rapper in that, be profitable too. You don't have, or you could just have a really, some bland shit going on and it'd be marketed well,

and it can be profitable. There's space for the talented, there's space for the untalented, there's space for the hustlers. There's space for everybody here. If somebody is watching and they want to go to Sam Ash or fucking radio shack

they don't exist anymore but somewhere and buy a microphone and get the setup to sit in their basement and create their version of Soldier Boys Superman in podcast format

and put it out and it works and they change their family's lives and their family's families' lives who the fuck are you to tell them not to do that? I'm not telling them not to do it No, don't scare them. If I was having a conversation

with somebody who wanted to get their podcast off the ground, my main concern that I would be explaining to them. I would just say whatever you're going to make, you're going to have to make something that stands out against the backdrop of all these other popular podcasts in this space. Then say that.

If you were speaking to a podcast, you would tell them to be unique and to maybe be disruptive. That's different from, hey, why would you do that today? Oh, I think you're misinterpreting what I was saying there. No,

what's on tape. I know what the value of this podcast is and I know what makes it stand out. It just, I don't think it would stand out as much in 2021. if it didn't already exist because there's just so many other people who have kind of seen me interviewing a lot of like underground less heralded rappers

and sort of realize there's a shitload of value in that which I remember sort of having that eureka moment of like oh people really want to hear from people that maybe are not famous but have really interesting stories it doesn't matter at all as long as I can make interesting conversations with them whereas like a shitload of podcast

and radio interviews shows and YouTube shows etc. I basically like I need to get super famous people on and interview them. And if they're not hot right now, then it doesn't matter. Everybody has their own route, right? Like, you had a niche niche, niche route. You still think about that every time you say that word, me too. I don't like that word.

Nitch or niche? I don't know how to say it. Vote in the comments. I don't know how to say it. I'm a niche guy. But you had a very niche route, right? Mack had a niche route. Who was Vlad, Stern, Opie, Anthony.

I mean, me, Gerald, me, Wendy, people have unique routes. And everything that's applicable to one may not apply to the other. You might experience something that's far, that's a whole other language to me, that I have no experience in at all. That doesn't make my experience any less valid. A lot of the early players had niche routes. Now we get to see a lot of people who have far less niche routes, where it's basically a corporation recognizing that they have some degree of talent

based on social media and saying, we need you. We can make money with you. Okay, that exists. Yeah. Do you feel threatened by that at all? I don't feel threatened by. I don't feel threatened by anything.

The space is for you in this? I never feel threatened by anything happening in the space. I'm super confident. I like that. What would you say? I built this city. What is the thing that makes, like what, okay, I hear you discuss podcasting a lot from the commercial lens,

from the business lens. Like, that seems like that's, how people want you to address it. What have you learned about conversation and the art of podcasts and that's important to you? Like on a soul fulfilling level, take all the business of money

and building a business out of it. What is like the thing that's really made you fall in love with this content and whatnot? I just ask like nine different questions. I know, and I hate when people do that, but... What made me fall in love with podcasting?

Or more I was like, what is the love of it turned into? Because when I'm listening to those early episodes, I'm not necessarily, you know, your love of that is not necessarily fully realized. Good point. Well, you're just kind of doing whatever on those early episodes because you didn't really necessarily know what a podcast was going to be to be. No, but I still loved it, right? I still loved it and I was still passionate about it.

I mean, you got to remember, I quit rapping. I retired my first and my only true love probably to do this. So you would have to love it. Yeah. You would have to believe in it, have faith in it. I just probably wasn't the best at it. I wasn't really good at it and didn't quite understand the concept of it.

Though I had done radio, right? Though I had blog, vlogged, though I had podcast before that was the name of it, when it was time to actually podcast, no, I had no idea of, I went into it saying I was an artist, so I don't really want to speak about artists.

I don't want to, I don't want anyone to get offended or feel like I'm out to say some wild shit about them. I don't want to do that. And I don't want to be guest-based because I don't really want to talk to a bunch of artists. I guess it was a period of figuring out what I wanted to say, how I wanted to utilize my voice as an instrument. And that's the answer to that question. What I've learned most about podcasting and while there's hundreds and thousands of podcasts is that everybody, don't have something to say.

It don't really matter. Everybody's doing this. Everybody's appearing to have something to say. Everybody has an announcement about an announcement. Everybody has an opinion about something that's none of any business. Anybody that everybody's doing the same shit. But I mean, what are people really saying? Not much when you get into it. And why do you feel like you could just hang out with random people and end up having very

real intense conversations about the art form, what's going on in society, and then if you were to take those same people and put them behind a mic, they're just going to kind of clam up quite often and just not be able to be that person that they are when they're like, you know, a few beers in or whatever, just chilling. Well, the number one fear in the world, a few years ago, I haven't checked this recently, was speaking in front of crowds. So you could take somebody in their very natural organic state

and put them in front of a microphone and things change. Any variable could change any one thing. I've seen this too many times on loving hip hop. I've seen it too many times with Joe Button TV. I've seen it too many times in just having notoriety or watching other people attain notoriety where shit gets different. Is that a sound issue?

Chick is different. We got a road over there. Rumbling. It's fine. Do you want to wait? No. Do we keep going? Go Josh.

Look at Josh gets it right out of there. Uh-huh. You need got to worry about a truck outside. Whoa. It's a shipment coming in. But yeah, man. Fucking guy. He's going to get arrested.

But yeah, that's the thing. What was I saying just now? Oh, using your voice as an instrument, having something to say, that's just it, man. Yeah. I mean, I guess like when I think about what I like the most about your podcast and what I think that you do best and what you've been building for this salon that stands out that other people don't have and what I'm trying to emulate through a lot of my consistent weekly non-guest podcasting is just that you've done a fabulous job

with just building rapport. It's important. It's the whole thing. Probably the most important thing, right? Understanding your audience, them understanding you, building the rapport, building trust. That's been like a 20-year thing from you.

Your audience just wants to see friends. They feel like they're part of the friend group. You're objectively probably cooler, smarter, more well-off than them more in the culture, so you know things that them and their friends don't know. That's what they want. They want the cool friends that they couldn't, and actually maybe be cool with in real life,

but they get to sit back and be part of it by being a fan. None of it is true. What? That's one thing I like about you is how I will say something that seems so self-evident to me, and you'll just be like, no. None of that. None of that is true at all. The truth is nobody knows what they want.

Oh, God. Okay. He doesn't believe me. How could nobody know what they want about anything? I'm telling you. You think people have no clue? about what's going on inside their brand we can't take their word for anything you're doing that you're doing that i do you're fucking throwing me down you make it even more wide so it couldn't

possibly make sense yeah just zoom out yeah exactly to the point where nobody can tell what the hell anything here we go prime example for you this may not have anything to do in anything but i think it's a great example in my brain you know how many years i tweeted and vocalized that McDonald's should serve breakfast all day yeah i mean i probably had that conversation a thousand times Ask me how many years I probably brought that idea to the table. Ask me how long. Sausage egg McMuffin, if you could get that all day, didn't it just seem like an obvious idea?

I've been having this conversation for like 20 years, so I feel you. And I said it for 20 years. Know what happened when they did it? Ask me how many I bought. Zero. Right, right. Not a fucking one. I hate it.

You still at the McDonald's part of your life though? I... You still go there a lot? I use the roadways in New Jersey, and there are McDonald's there. So even if you don't shop at McDonald's, traffic can be caused from McDonald's. I have kids. McDonald's could be a part of their life. Don't try to minimalize my McDonald's experience.

I'm just suggesting that maybe when you were talking about how they should serve breakfast all day, you were more of a McDonald's consumer. I think you're buying less McDonald's now. My point is I have not purchased one sausage egg McMuffin from McDonald's since they introduced this. I'm not sure anybody has. I wanted a whole bunch of jewelry until I got a whole bunch of jewelry. It didn't mean anything when I got it.

I didn't want it at all. Now I just wear a watch and probably want another watch but won't go get another watch. At each stage of your life, you'll want something different. That will never end. So my response to you saying the fans

want the, oh, the friendship, they feel like they're a part of it. I mean, all of that is cool, but the truth is the fans have no idea what they want. They didn't know that, Maul was cool and such a

brother and I'm just saying when you spoke about the relationships that people have or the placements that they have in the culture. But they want to watch that unfold. They wanted to learn about your friends because it helps them to better understand you. But nobody knew that

about anybody, my two calls. They didn't. Nobody knew shit about them. Hey, let's take me. Niggas hated me for my whole career. If you to pick a guy who would become some pseudo voice of culture or some bridge for the youth and the veterans or whatever the fuck corny little cliche tidy want to put on it if you

were looking at careers you wouldn't it wouldn't been me all the things that made you like not that popular of a rapper are probably the same things that make you popular as a podcaster don't you think people like simple music nobody wants to be force fed a bunch of fucking diary and trees, but in a podcast setting, that works. That was profound. Well, I'm just saying, I mean. You're profound sometimes. And your career existed at the time of like ringtone rap.

I mean, it was probably... You know, before that even. Before that even. Before that even. So many different phases. If I knew about podcasting back then, I probably would have been able to, like, be like, you know what, this guy's personality might be better suited to be the guy who, you know, you don't really have a lot of room to be, like, having asshole opinions as a rapper. Nobody wants you to have an opinion.

That's why famous rappers never tweet. that's why people look at meek mill like why the fuck are you tweeting still freedom of speech no and i mean i'm not mad at him for using that i'm just saying it it doesn't seem like a good idea business wise for a lot of rappers to tweet and i feel like they get that and so most of them just don't who are we to tell people that you haven't just wonder that you have you ever wondered as a podcaster like i'll come on my podcast and give my opinion about something that somebody's doing and then when the podcast's over it's like who the fuck am i to say that oh yeah especially especially when you start to think of it like, what have I done to have an opinion about this guy?

Me tweets wild sometimes, sometimes. He tweets like he's still a regular guy a lot of the time. I know, and I would love to participate in this topic. But I had police looking for me in 2014 and tweeted, hey, I'll be on a story of Av tonight at my favorite strip club, suck my dick. So I don't have the room to say anything about how someone else tweets when they're going through something and they tweet something when they are expressing themselves. If it don't come out the greatest, if it don't come out the best.

Like, I can't be judge and jury with that because I've done that. That's the Joe playbook. It's to make the mistake publicly. It's to tweet how crazy you are. It's to show people how crazy you are. Yeah, no. I know. And I was trying to explain the stone of my employees earlier that I feel like you stand out to me so

much in my mind because my early, or not early, but like, you know, high school, post high school rap fandom, you know, you had 50 and he's like a superhero and he's presenting himself as being emotionless and made a steal and, you know, doesn't care about girls, doesn't even do drugs. You couldn't, you know, that would be antithical to his nature. And then on the other hand, I had Joe Budden, and Joe Budden in a lot of ways kind of taught me what it was to be someone who was like self-admittedly flawed and traumatized dealing with things and being honest about it because I mean I'm sure 50 was a little more honest I might have got a little bit more of that from him 50 was honest to an extent maybe okay maybe there's a deeper version you don't think

there's a deeper version of 50 that we don't get this got good hey somehow somehow in speaking to you because I do this for a living I see all the little windows where people go wrong like what like just talking about people. Like, you'll bring up something that's just a regular casual thing, like when I came out and when 50 came out. And that was a perfect time for me to jump in and say something stupid. About how you're a more fully formed person than 50 Cent? No, no, I wouldn't say that.

But back to 50 Cent, he was living his truth. It was just a very different truth from mine. I don't think he understood himself to the extent that you were at least. I think he understood himself really well for a young man who had a bunch of people. trying to kill him while he was trying to get a record deal. I think he understood things very well. Your self-preservation would have probably been better if you had maybe not put yourself out there so much

in terms of just letting the world really know the real you. 50, I think, didn't really ever let the world know his soft side for self-preservation reasons. Or my life would have been a lot worse. You never know. I don't know what the value proposition of your music might have been at a certain point. if you weren't that open.

Well, who dictates the value in it? The consumer, I suppose. You're wrong. Yeah, that's the market that you're serving. Shut up. What the fuck is he talking about again? No. No, no, no, no.

I was making music to live at him. I was making music to live. Thank God I was a little good at it because I was in the black where I was going. So as long as I was in the black, I was cool. And if you didn't spend a lot of money, then you'd probably be in the black. I never really spent too much money in my career

making music. Anytime I didn't recoup, it's because robbery was happening. Really? You got robbed a lot? Oh, by the labels, right? Okay. I thought you had some money on your bed. Brappers get robbed.

I mean, I've gotten robbed other ways too, but I mean, yeah, you get robbed a lot. But no, I'm in the black. Always. That's a funny thing about Joe Biden, though, is that, like, 18-year-old Adam just basically thought, like, oh, this is one of them guys who raps with

fabulous. And then like 19, 20 year old Adam is like, oh man, this guy got all kinds of shit going on. This is kind of interesting. Well, look how that works. Depth can do you some favors every time, I guess. I'd like to think so. Is there anything that, like,

you want to share at times that you find yourself holding back on? Deeper layers of what's going on. Is there anything that's too dark for the people to know about? Nothing darker than things I expressed in my music career. So no.

But you treat all that as like the past, right? What's the past? Right. How should I treat it? I know, but I'm talking about like right now. You're not making music right now, so we don't have the music to find out about the darkest parts of Joe Bowden's soul. I wouldn't share it today if... Well, that was the question.

I probably wouldn't even share it. I wouldn't share it. Hey, that's your little Snapchat desk. Yeah. That's cool. You know that. Of course I know I gotta keep up with these things

You on Snapchat? No You're on TikTok? No Okay I'm like my 13 Wow Are you on TikTok?

Yes These are all the things that I should do If I needed clout I think you should be on TikTok Not because you need cloud But because that's potentially the future

Of online Media I'm gonna tell you No Jumber TikTok Whenever we pose We have this company They take it They cut up our interviews

They get millions of views And then you see the analytics for the videos They blow up That's where a lot of people were consuming info at Your job is to be in all these places, Joe You have fun over there Okay But it's not just there

You gotta be everywhere, man Where's everywhere? That's not true All the platforms No you don't Yeah, you left your SoundCloud following high and dry, huh? My SoundCloud? That's not true I'm on SoundCloud

Well, not the podcast Oh, now the podcast is back okay, I haven't looked at it since the switch, right? See? I'm not only in my own SoundCloud, when I went, they said, what the fuck are you doing on SoundCloud? I'm not alienating SoundCloud. That was the start.

There's a culture there. The same way you're telling me there's a culture on TikTok. I think it's the dancer. No, no, no, no, no. Me. You got to, TikTok is not about dancing. Kids and children. That's what I think it is.

You could choose to use it in that way, but it's not necessary. What would I do on TikTok as a 40-year-old man? tell me. A, just hire a company to just cut up here. No, no, no. You want me to go download an app so I could, so I could hire. Someone on your team can do this for you. I'm not saying that you need to dance. So you want me to download an app to throw the responsibility on someone because there's a community.

You don't even need to download the app. If I didn't have the app on my phone, it would exist exactly as it exists. You shouldn't have the app on your phone. You're 38 years old. You only have it because you interview these fuckety fucks in here and y'all get to doing this. No, no, no, no, no. And they climb one at the desk. And then you upload it to TikTok, and the numbers do this.

And then you get money, and that's how it goes. But I don't get my money that way. It's not about money. It's about platform. Well, if we're not discussing money with the platforms, then why are we talking platform? Right, but you would have been having this conversation with me about YouTube in 2010 and say, hey, I'm not making any money out of YouTube. Not true.

Don't tell me what I would have said about platforms. All the platforms. monetize given enough time. Oh my God. Or at least the ones that are doing well. That is not what this conversation is about. This conversation is about uploading your content to places that you either, A, believe in and believe will be around for the future or be places that won't be.

You have a faith in TikTok that Joe Button will never have. I'm trying to broaden their mind to that. I do not think that TikTok will be as important as you do in the next 10 years. I don't. As a bad man. I had you niggas come tell me about Vine. I had you niggas come tell me There's a few of them where y'all got all bunched up

Bunch of my friends hey where you're going Oh week work it's over there hey what's that Oh just a place that we go to work I'm just telling you there are places And sites and shit that niggas like you have tried to amp up I don't put my stock in it TikTok not me That's fair

Nobody's forcing you on that And if I figure out what I If there's like a 40 year old TikTok Then point me in that direction A four year old 40 year old like TikTok for 40 year old Like TikTok for 40 year old It's like dating apps.

I said for 40-year-olds, not for old men. 40, I mean, I'm almost 40. 40 is pretty goddamn old. It's not old. It's not old. It's not old. The way you're living in your life right now is pretty goddamn old. Living my life like it's golden. Look at how you were living when you were 21.

Off Percocet's breaking into houses or something is what I was assumed. I was not on Perkinsettes at 21 years old. Okay, I don't know what drug you were doing in what year. But I mean, the way you're living now. Oh, man. What is you stereotyping blacks? No. What the fuck?

I'm black. Right, okay. Go ahead. At 21. You are not living a life even close to the life that you're living now. You know so much more about life. My life was way more exciting. Exactly.

At 21. But shit was awful. Stressful. Right. But exciting. Brand new record deal. Okay, yeah. So we weren't doing that.

I was on clue tapes. My skin was good without exfoliating. I knew how to dance a little bit before dances became. like you need a choreographer. You have a skincare routine? I have a self-care routine. I probably should dip in on that, God damn. Well, that's why the white people age.

A lot of people have white skincare routines. You should do that. I haven't found myself one yet. What do you shower with? A bar of soap. I think I'm in fucking jail. Okay. My whole life.

And I'm not kidding. I don't know why. Just the ghettoness of it all. I just never got past the bar. or something. I don't know. And you know what it is back to earlier about marveling at the whole setup? In watching this, I never guessed that

this room was this big. Really? Well, in the back of the bike shop, it was a lot smaller. I've got a lot of people coming to this little corner. That's the goal of things. This room is huge. This is huge by New York City standards, perhaps. Yes. No,

the new firm is huge. This is a huge room. You've got a desk over there for a piece of content that you're paid off of. You have a desk over here for a piece of content. You get paid off of you've got lights, not the CVS ones. You've got fake soundproofing up in places

that it's not helping to soundproof anything. You've got multiple hands on deck. You've got a whole system over here with an engineer who's not worried about the truck driving by outside. And you've got a bunch of little 18 and 19 year olds out there to think you're Jesus and don't have any alcohol to offer

guests. I don't think any of them are in their teens. But yeah, we don't They all look young. We never have alcohol. Is that weird? We got hell of weed, but. That's L.A. Yeah.

I feel like if I were to have alcohol here, that people would ask me to take down their interviews a lot more. Hmm. And that's one of the worst things I hate about this job. You do a fire interview with somebody. You ask all the right shit. You get them as comfortable as they've ever been. And then they walk out and 15 minutes later,

somebody's calling it, hey. Why don't you chop that down? I don't know if this was cool. All the good parts take them out. Yes, yes. Nightmares. Then it goes out in the fans, say, oh, what you should have asked this?

You should have, what the fuck is this? And you're like, I know. You're right. I hate it. I know you didn't ask me that. But has that happened to you a lot? I feel you'd do so few interviews. Yes.

Yes. Yes. And yes. And that's why we're not seeing a lot of pulling up. And yes. You're going to pull that much? Is that more of a COVID thing? That's not why I'm vaccinated.

Are you? Oh, okay. Although, to be fair, I mean, I wasn't really living any differently. Which one you got? I think I got the Pfizer in me. Pause. You didn't even know which one. It was a while ago.

Okay. I thought you were an anti-vax guy. Why? I don't know. Wasn't that a thing? You were on Clubhouse telling people that if they get vaccinated, they're going to die or something? No. I never said that.

Something like that. I never said anything like that. I didn't really dig into that one. My first time even hearing this. Oh, okay. No, I'm not one I've got. Okay. You're still in Clubhouse, though?

No. Good, okay. No, I don't know. That wasn't meant to last. No. No. I don't think so. Maybe for different reasons than you.

Why do you think it wasn't meant to life? Because the technology is just so obviously replicable that I just couldn't imagine any other tech company that already has an existing user base, not doing it. Like, why the fuck would I want to build up a clubhouse page when I could just use Twitter if they have the same functionality that should take their team like three days to build? That's horrible, but I get it. But it was scary in a way because Clubhouse really democratized what we do. Like let people create podcast-esque content in a way that seemed a little too easy as somebody who's really invested in this. Nobody on Clubhouse could do what I do. Right.

But it gives them a forum with which they could sort of try. You want people to try. Yeah, but I mean, there was an extent to which I just saw all these people doing it. I'm just like, why would I ever invest time in this when I've invested so much time into building a business of basically doing a really high quality version of what this app facilitates you creating a shitty version of the same thing? You're right, but by your theory, you would never give an up and coming podcaster advice ever on how to better themselves. And I realized that that was a selfish way of observing Clubhouse at that time. I view this as an old head who's already entrenched in the way things are being done, such as yourself not wanting to get on TikTok.

And that's why I didn't really go hard with sharing that opinion. I kind of figured that the technology would maybe fizzle out in or never really felt threatened by it, but I did think like if this became huge, it could be an existential threat to all of podcasting in a weird way. I had that thought for two seconds, but it quickly passed. I can't watch a Zoom interview, please. I won't either. They're all bad.

Just get COVID. Go there and get COVID. Just do it. It'll be fine. I do think the Zoom interviews are bad. I won't tell anybody to go catch COVID. But the Zoom interviews are a mess. They're bad.

Dark era in the JVP when you guys all have COVID. The Zoom's, right? Well, I mean, shit happened. I mean, I had Mandy, Mandy got COVID, and then I filled in for her. Nobody asked me to do that, but I filled in for her.

on the same mic that she had COVID on, right? My arrogance. And then I got COVID. I didn't realize how much shit would be affected if I got COVID. I didn't really play that out. Really? It wasn't wise. And then Rory got COVID.

And it was a lot. It was a lot. We hated to Zoom stuff. You guys are still doing the podcast together, though, right? Yes. Okay, because there's a lot of fun. A lot of, like, YouTube clickbait titles try to get me to think that it's over again. I've seen them.

But you're on break, which actually is a better explanation. Well, we're on vacation. Now, that's why I'm out here. This is the question I wanted to ask is, to me, the biggest value proposition of the JCP is the report. It's the fact that you guys know each other so well. You know each other so well that the conversation just can become something that you're just not going to get from,

if you take three very entertaining people and you put them on camera, you're just not going to get as deep as you might get from three people that know each other well. I think that's what you're trying to get to. I see you getting mad at co-host when they don't get deep enough when they're not opening up enough. Okay. How much would have been lost? I'm not going to say mad, but I see where you're going. Right.

But how much would have been lost if the situation did not resolve itself with Rory and Maw? Like obviously you and Iish and you have already a very strong connection. So there's already a whole bunch of rapport. That was kind of shocking thing to me is I'm like, wow, he managed. to make a pretty damn good podcast on like a couple days notice to an extent that I never would have thought. I didn't think the JVP was going to exist

without, I couldn't imagine it existing without those two as the co-house. It turns out you have a whole bunch of good friends. Yeah. How much would be lost from your perspective, though? If it had not worked out, how much do you lose by losing out on all those years of rapport building?

I do this to people too, man. I got to be stoic. I got to be stoic Adam, it's nothing against you. I just do this to people. I don't know the answers to the questions you're asking me. That's why I'm making these faces. How much would be lost?

I'm not certain. That's my biggest fear when it seems like things aren't working out with me and my guys that I do the weekly podcast with is I'm like, we've spent years getting more comfortable around each other. This does not happen overnight. It feels like a lot to sort of give up on that, you know? Okay, but I mean, people lost their houses and belongings and everything they owned in Hurricane Katrina, right? You know people who, you know people who have gone through things and lost their entire life's work.

So when you speak about it in this form. Well, we're going to analyze each other's like argumentative tactics here. You can't just say, well, worse things have happened in the world. So this doesn't seem that bad in comparison to those things. See, stop right there. Why not? Because you could do that about everything. then why can't you do it?

The capital getting raided was not that big a deal compared to the Holocaust. But nothing was that big a deal compared to the Holocaust. So we can't just bring up the Holocaust every time, right? I can say something there, but you said the magical H word that I don't say anything.

I'm not sure I hate when you're trying to have a conversation with somebody and they always got to bring it back to Hitler. Oh, what would you do if Hitler did that? It's like, okay, don't even know what is. You don't need to. Who is it? I got to Google it. It's a guy who has the same first name.

as Young Dolph. Young Dolph is an American rap. Whenever you're finished. Okay, we're done. Come back, come back. Here we go. They ain't trapping me. You know a Hitler talk.

Oh, we're trapping. All right. That was excellent. You just asked me 90 questions, and I didn't even give an answer to any of it. That's what it's all about. What I will say from what I heard you say is I'm proud of how we pull things together.

Right. I'm proud of how we pull things together. Now, things happened quickly. Things happened abruptly. Things happened unexpectedly. And you're going to have to sometimes make a judgment call on the fly without much time to think and know if you're making the right move or not. And we did that.

We did that. I'm proud of everybody who will help hold that down. I am. Do you rewatch every episode? For the most part. describe the mental state that you're in as you rewatch an episode. Oh, I hate them all. You hate it.

I hate it. Mostly yourself or the other people involved? Yeah, everything. Everything. I'm watching me. I'm watching other people. I'm listening. I'm watching the setting.

I'm watching what's there. It's not supposed to be there. What are we talking about? You look forward to the time that you spend rewatching it, or is it something you sort of dread? No, I don't dread that. We're blessed to do this. So I want to go and watch and get better.

Watching the game take. Mm-hmm. are you like plotting like I should have gone this way at that moment I should have took this conversation and this route sometimes most times when I'm watching and I say that I'll do it my memory is bad so I don't really remember how the conversation went so it's a fresh watch when I'm watching it so when I watch it as it's going somewhere I'll say I hope this I hope I said this I hope I said and then it comes and I'm like right rest easy and that happens for me a lot right right I don't really edit too much.

Oh, yeah. Like, it's not too many takes where I have to edit. It's not a lot going on. It's normally a really smooth thing except for this past few weeks. Oh, so you edit it before it comes out. You watch it before it comes out. No. Oh, okay.

No, but I'm saying I watch it after it drops. But after we record, I'm not going back to say, edit dis, edit it, da, edit it, did, edit, did, edit. Let it ride as long as nobody was disrespected. I'm not trying to intentionally do that. You guys do do a lot more editing than we do, but that's all right. Josh, is that true? How do you know? I hear the bleeps.

How does he know? Oh, the bleep. Well, sometimes I put those bleeps in because they're funny. It's not that I'm editing because we're afraid of something. It's just funnier with a bleep. You heard a- And there's names we're saying. I have certain just fundamental rules.

I'm never breaking. Names try not to get direct with names. I try to be anonymous. People have their own lives. You don't want to do that with people. What else is the rule that we have? No SIGs. No.

It's really just names and privacy and things of that nature. I try to stay away from the street shit. That's another rule of mine. We don't fuck with people with you got an open case or if I feel like the blogs and media now, it's getting nasty. It's getting nasty with the role that they play in indicting people and things of that nature. So I don't do that. What else?

two hard rules. But I think leaving the names out is good and potentially like adds more to it because it allows people to sort of think about it from a more overall sense whereas if you make it about specific people then you're going to be grafting

your idea of how that person is supposed to act on top of this story and really the story it's probably better off if you're just sort of leaving at least some of it up to the imagination. Well, yeah, right? And it's way more

I probably use people only to introduce a topic or a scenario I would much rather not speak about people but just situations I'd rather guess some shit try to use some foresight

to see what's going to happen like I try not live in a now it's boring a rapper and another rapper's sister getting into a fight in an elevator is really just like a way to clickbait a conversation about cheating and relationships.

See, if that came up, whatever that is, and I don't know if you're talking about something directly, I wouldn't touch it. If something came out and said a rapper and somebody's sister was in the elevator, read it, and go about my business. I'm pretty sure you guys did talk about this exact thing that I'm talking about.

But, I mean, I'm just saying that... What was said about it? The 6-9 thing. 6-9 is clickbait that facilitates a conversation about snitching, right? It's not actually... It's not supposed to be about him, and I hate that I had to... say Duke's name to you, but

go ahead. I'm just saying that all these people are vehicles for which we have conversations about things that are bigger than the individual participants ideally, right? Yes. Yeah. And that's good. I don't know what. I was trying to convince you that that was a real thing, and then you're

like, okay, and then I don't know where. No, I know it's a real thing. I'm just saying the things that I try to, even with the mere mentioning of Duke's name, I try to stay away from that. Right. I mean, it seems like a safe bet these days. Not y'all. No, no, don't do that. Not y'all. No, don't do that. It's not really valuable like it used to be, Joe. See, and that's the thing. And that's why I like, I like, I like, I'm on up to some of the shit. There was a time where the kid's name was really, really, really, it was hot. I remember. I remember you guys talking about it. When I saw you guys kind of fucking with it, I was like, oh, okay, I guess.

No, don't do that. Don't say you guys kind of fucking with it. Mall. I'm sure he's not happy about that now. Listen, we talked about it and it's on the dock. Hey, Showtime needs to get back to us about that. They did. We used that little clip, huh? Yeah, and they better pay up. But listen, at the beginning of the dock,

we're talking about music when that's all we know is the music. By the end, when you have a little more context, it's like, but my point is while that kid's name was hot as fish grease out here, and while everything he touched, shout up to 20, 30, 40 million, or having many millions of views, I stayed far away from it, far away, even in terms of discussing it. And it was a lot to discuss for years. Why was that something so obvious to you that you didn't want to touch it?

The aesthetics, or is it a moral reason? You just don't want to be the kind of podcast that's clickbaiting buddy's name? No. Is it like, this is wrong? No, I respect street culture and y'all don't. Y'all. If he only knew. Well, I don't know.

So I'm saying y'all, but yeah, y'all that was. doing that. It was nasty. How is it not respecting street culture to have a conversation about somebody who's basically made a mockery of the streets? It's important to really understand that story

to understand the entirety of the conversation about the streets. Okay. I mean, that story is a story about a bunch of guys who are really in the streets who made a really bad decision for a cloud, basically. Okay.

Right. I don't discuss those things. and unfortunately where we are today is that's the state of rap. That's the state of hip hop. Nobody's a rapper. Everybody's something else. So you're either going to take the time to figure that out. You either saw enough on the internet to know

or you just find out in real time. But it certainly lessens the pool of things you can discuss when you're supposed to be talking about entertainment and people are dying every week. That's not entertaining to me. I never want to do an interview with anybody where I'm pissing off somebody else that want to kill somebody. Or I'm antagonizing somebody or provoking somebody or loaning my platform to somebody with just no regard for life. Because when you have no regard for your own life, then how could I expect you to have regard for other people's lives?

You telling me about shoddy and I'm making a real poor decision. My version goes really different than that. It's not important because it's not my business. but yeah before we get off that I just want to say that I showed Hellrell 6-9 way before he was popular and Hell rel really did not care for it

so he knew something that we didn't know even now like you know what? Nah, never my what? Nope you like that Josh right he's not even that interested that I said

something about showing Hellrell 6-9 which I thought was a pretty unique life experience I don't care about any of that he just doesn't want to talk about I don't care about we can talk about how we're home we can talk about we can talk about

anything that you want to talk about here anything I don't want to talk about I'm just not going to talk about like Hitler the Holocaust 6-9 same thing

who else somebody else somebody else you name but you got a list you got a list of little hot topics not really that I'm skipping if you actually look at the list

of things that I wrote down in the lead up this let me see can I see can I see the list of things you wrote down oh yes now we cooking joe buddn that's me episode one of your podcasts these are just prompts these are just topic thoughts i know i just like seeing how

the interview is like formulate this shit he was so into the word situation and then talk about uh maybe want to know what are you who you and caps what are you getting out of this content that was good good compared to that you got a lot of not too many notes it's pretty good pretty good man the best one is the one is the one just says you're a porno guy but what does that mean I mean you just talk about watching porn like

a lot no I don't and I get the vibe from you that you're very fascinated by the fact that I'm a do porn and B I'm like basically married to a porn star I didn't know any of that all right take it back then that's kind of awkward I had no I

what you do porn yeah fucking freak what are you doing what are you what's happening I don't know you just like you You frequently will talk about like what you did. Wait, and we let you do hip hop interviews in the culture as a porn star? Josh.

It's a good business to be in. This shit don't keep the lights on. Wait a second, man. Wait, no, what's porn star? Me, my girlfriend is. Don't just loosely throw around star. My girl is one of the biggest people on OnlyFans. Now you're talking about you.

I'm in there. Are you a porno? I'm all up in there. But, all right. And we actually did one official scene for Pornhub. So we've gotten to the bottom of this. Yeah. You're not a porno star.

Well, I'm certainly not the star. You have appeared in some pornoes. Okay. Well, I mean, a lot of people would say porn star. Does your rate, does your porno rate say that you're a star? How much does it cost to get you fucking somewhere? Man, these dudes, now I get paid a lot. I'm asking you about your.

But I will say that. Don't talk about their rates. The times that I've had to hire. male porn stars it was an awkward time to swallow but for some you really get what you're paying for in that regard okay

well I had to hire a male porn star to fuck Selena Powell for this thing that we film that isn't out yet now we're getting somewhere right now we get in somewhere and I'm telling you bro like because I could have done the job but I chose to hire this dude instead anytime a girl walks in here now right I thought she was with you hi no she's a friend of the show

well now that I know about your secret business No, no, no, no, no, no, she doesn't do that. That's what's going on. Hey. She's not that kind of woman, Joe. But, yeah, hiring this guy to fuck her. I mean, I was like, wow, that was so worth the money. God, I would do that any day.

He killed it. I'm glad you thought so. I mean. How'd you determine that? That might be a little over the line. He performed well, though. Let's just say. Well, why are you hiring guys to fuck women?

Well, we're working on an additional business venture that that's kind of the basis of the content. Oh, all right. You're starting. This guy's. I don't really want to be the one laying in the pipe. You know, I lay a little bit of pipe, but, you know. This guy's got fucking porno guys signed to him.

Not signed to me, no. I would sign that guy. Guys just show up and get the fucking around you. You better not start hanging with his mouth. Because you're going to start doing the shit that they do. I'm not. They shoot their dick up with oil. No.

It makes their dick huge all the time. I think it's interesting that you're telling me this information. I just feel like you're the kind guy. I don't care about this. You would do it. You would so be walking around with all that oil in your dick all the time. I would. You Josh, Josh, do you're cool with this from him.

He's normal. He's in your dick? No. He's married to my sister. They don't want to tell me it's normal. Now look, he's uncomfortable. He's married to my sister, so. I don't know what type of kink show you guys got going on in here. How long have you been a porn guy? A porn star? A porn entry-level

guy. I don't know what you call it. You know, when I'm watching you interview Kevin Samuels and they're just talking about how all these bitches broke as fuck and everything, I'm like, man. I'm lucky because, man, I don't have to deal with these problems. Because you're married to a porn star. Does that mean that there's sex, like, with other people? Other girls.

Because she's a porn star. Other girls, but no, she doesn't fuck other dudes. Okay. I'm a rap guy. That's my explanation for why that can't happen. In the porn world, it's so normal. if you're like a porn guy like other people fuck your girl and everyone

thinks it's normal. In hip hop I mean, no. I never thought I would hear anything like this. It's so true. A guy who's insecure but married to a porn star. I mean, she only fucks me. What do I have to be insecure about? Okay. I don't give a fuck if they look.

So why can't you fucking other dude? Because I'm a rap guy, Joe. You're not. Well, I'm sitting here with you so apparently. I'm not a rapper. And I was sitting here with Fulio before, so I guess I am. Hi. My name is.

Hi, Fulio. Hi, Hater. All right. I don't know. I don't know what's going on way, Adam. He starts talking about... You still got some of those shirts in the closet? What shirts?

The high hater one. Remember everybody had that? I never had a high hater one. You got to stop snitching shirt? No. Oh, man. You weren't really out here back then. Are you drunk?

No. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm just sort of throwing some old. cultural references. I know, I know. And that means that I've done my job. When it gets to this point in the interview, I've done my job of safeguarding.

There was a weird moment, because I lived in Astoria from probably 2003 to 2005, and it was weird when I realized, like, oh, that's where Joe Budden goes to hookah lounges from listening to your podcast. I'm like, oh, that's what was going on out there. I had no idea. Yeah, when I used to go to the hookahsbots often.

In Astoria. They were over there. Everything's in the story. I was over there. I never noticed the hookahs. Salute to the story. Where's the main camera? Just all of them.

That one's just... Josh. Thank you, Josh. So you're a porno guy. That did start, that did start there. Why did you think that? Because, like, okay, just... I don't watch a lot of porn.

I don't talk about a lot of porn. I don't know a lot of porn stars. I didn't know about your secret ventures. The other day I was listening on your podcast, and you're just like, I had a quiet weekend, just me, lotion, porn hub, X videos. It was cool. No, that can.

Can't be true. Got you one of those? Yeah, I can't be true. I stopped using lotion ages ago. Okay. Maybe not lotion. Yeah, that wasn't me. I think the rest of it.

X video, shit like that. There was a period in there. That stuff is important to the culture. Did you tell the people that tried to get you to move to New York? I actually don't know if I ever really told that story. Guy. Look at that. You don't want to tell them.

And that's why they would be shocked at this sit down here because you don't tell people about these things. Me and Scotty Beam on a show. every day, that would have gone well. I can just imagine her having to deal with my shit every day. I don't know, bro. What's your shit, though? That's a reputation. I don't know if that's true.

I don't shy away from the dicey conversations, I guess. What dicey conversation have you had here? You've talked about fucking boiling steroid dicks, porn stars. You've talked about snitcher. What's been dicey here? It's only because you're not pushing me into, like, you know, real hot water. Let's go. Because I remember when you did that test.

you had me do a test. The test, yes. And I remember that somehow the conversation ended up like an argument about whether Post Malone was aware that he was creating black music. And I remember like looking over at you as we were having this argument

and just seeing you kind of smiling because you liked the fact that I was so down to jump into this conversation that was so obviously going to get me in trouble, even though I mean I was right, obviously. I love white people in the culture that jump into conversations that they shouldn't be jumping into.

Right. Thank you. And that was awesome. That was great. Yeah. Yeah. So right then I'm like, I know why Joe likes me because I'm not scared to jump in on these conversations. No, well, that, that, and,

like, it's just good to see creative people or entrepreneurs or people that are in the middle of a plan. That's the best way to say that. It's good to see people that are in the middle, or even the beginning of a plan and then check back in with them. So at that moment, that was our first time meeting

at that Propheant Studio and all that, whatever we did, right? But I knew of you and I knew of your business and I learned some of your personality that day and then it was fun to just watch because you told me about a plan. You had a plan. Just like a lot of creators I spoke to at that time,

it was like, yo, Joe, love you, fuck with you, would love to come, but can't. I got a plan. And if a creator says that to me, I'm leaving them alone. Hey, I support it. Get your shit off. I'm never going to course you out of that. So you had a plan.

And you went on to fucking continue the plan. So when I come in here and I seem like I'm in awe at your fucking shindigs here, it's not because it's the best shindigs in the world. It's because you had a plan. You stuck to the plan and it's working. I thought it was more like, how has this guy gotten so far in rap music? you keep saying you're in rap music well i mean i talk to rappers all day i feel like i'm in rap music

i go to rap shows and everybody knows who i'm like well i guess i'm a rap guy now no it just means people in rap music know who you are but i went to a drake show nobody knew who i was there i mean not nobody but not many they probably wouldn't there was a lot of grown-ass people what was your favorite song that he did that night uh you know whatever but i mean i was just like impressed by the athleticism of it the athleticism i mean he just fucking ran back and forth on that stage the whole time. I could not believe it.

Amigos came out at one point. Takeoff did not have that energy. Okay. He actually seemed like he was on a rough night. It might not have been a good night to be in the Staples Center. You ever went on tour? No. Not like that. You ever had to do 50, 60 cities

night after night after night? No, I believe it. Ever had to put on a show across a stage that was that long? We had to run back and forth. No, actually. He was sitting down for a lot of it. But if you had to do it. do it, I wouldn't imagine you'd be so enthused every night, right? Oh, for

sure. But I don't think I was sit down unless there was something really going on. Shit. I'm a big takeoff fan. Shit. Grab a chair so fast. Have a seat. I did a lot of shows sitting down. Did you? Yeah, but those were in, like, poetry lounges, and you were, like, sitting on a stool, right? Maybe.

I've sat down at poetry lounges. I've sat down at BB Kings. I've sat down at Irving Plaza. I've sat down at Summer Jam. I've sat down. I've sat down down places. I like sitting down's the best. Give me a chair. That's the main reason. I don't want to go to music festivals and shit. There's so much standing involved. And I did three-hour shows. Oh, yeah. So. What the fuck? I was going to sit down at some

point. Who told you? You need to do a three-hour show. I don't know if I've ever seen a three-hour rap show. That's because you go to the clickbait, the little cloud-chasey shows. Yeah, probably true. None of the shows you go to would have somebody there that wants to perform for three hours. None of one. You had to. No, I didn't have to. No, but you had to be you.

Shut up, Adam. Drew and fall, stubby. Why are you doing three hours? Motherfugges, don't just object themselves to that? Did you see his little, you had to be you? Oh, fuck you. But what is it a part of your personality that makes you want to fucking peddle your entire catalog to these people? No one else is doing them.

I wasn't peddling anything. No, you know. I was performing my heart out, my blood, sweat, and tears. and it just so happens I had a lot of long freestyles and a lot of long records and it didn't matter

what I was being paid for the night I had diehard fans that were coming traveling from far to see me perform it wasn't time to come out

and do pump it up no I was hoping we could make it through this whole interview without saying pump it up edit out bleep it it'd be great

yeah give me a pump it up bleep right because that's what every normie friend of mine said when they were like Oh, you're interviewing Joe Biden. You can ask him, I'll pump it up.

So you were telling people you're going to meet me? Tell a couple people. A couple group chats. Were they excited? I'm going to smoke the whole filter. I was just interviewing a dude who said he's in jail. They cut the cigarettes into three. Because in Florida prisons, you can't have cigarettes.

So they cut them into three and saw him like that. I'm like, Jesus Christ, that sounds like the worst thing ever. I've never been in the prison. Yeah, me neither. I don't want to go. No. And I wouldn't know. That's really what we're podcasted for, Joe,

so we don't have. have to go to prison. It's not why I'm podcasting. Yeah, but it's keeping you away from the possibility, right? No, I just try to live a life where I don't go to prison. I watch a lot of prison shows. How many interviews are you doing one day? Oftentimes, like three.

This guy gets to it. This guy's getting to it. You didn't take a PPP loan, did you? Oh, no, yeah, we did. I'm not embarrassed about it either. You can't shame me New York Times. I wasn't trying to shame you. No, but I know, like, a lot of people try to make that, like, a shame.

full thing. I mean, the IRS knows that you're getting all this money and now you want to borrow something from them. I expect them to fully come do an audit on your establishment here at some point. If my business manager has misled me so much that that happens, then I suppose I deserve that. Why? If your

business manager told you to take a PPP loan, you should get rid of. I know a lot of places that are like infinitely more successful than me that took it. So, what's that mean? I know people way more successful than me that jumped off the George Washington Bridge and hated life. What that mean? How are we I should know it to taking a loan that anyone could get that?

You're telling me that because somebody was more successful and they did it, that that is the benchmark that makes it okay for you to do it. And I don't understand that thinking. That's group think. But why do you think it's not okay to take a loan during the middle of a pandemic that was certainly threatening the nature of our business? Why do you think it's okay to be a multi-million millionaire with a multi-million dollar establishment and take the PPP loans from the people that it's actually supposed to be intended for?

It's intended to keep businesses afloat. Oh, please. You don't know the insides of our business. business. Oh, shot. We employ a lot of people here. How much that Snapchat desk costs? Nah.

It's like a $1,500. I know how much Josh makes. Do you? I know how much everybody that wears that tie-dye shirt makes. You got a hacker on staff who just sort of like prized into the financials of your competitors? Just no certain things. How many of those loans did you take?

How much was it? I think it was only one. I'm not talking about dollar amounts, but. No, now you want to get discreet with things. Who were you with when you ordered this drink that was apparently for Shadee? Is that? What is that? Oh, he can read.

You stole Shade's drink? It's actually Shottie. Shottie. You were with Shottie. He's locked up. That couldn't have been him. See, look, just name drop us. White people just get to saying names.

Who's that? Who Shottie? That says it on your coffee bean cup. And this is not coffee bean at all. I like how your fucking Dunkin' Donuts, Allegiance just melts away as soon as you get out here. By what? Your Dunkin' Donuts.

Well, there's no Dunkin' Donuts out of? Yes, there is. There's like 15 locations. In all of L.A. It's not as much a part of our culture as it is on the East Coast, of course. I've been doing smoothies since I've been here. I mean, okay.

Really, really healthy stuff. You didn't have to admit that. Why? That's L.A. culture. Is it? What would no jumper look like if you did this in New York? I mean, when I was thinking about living in New York, when you were sort of proposing that to me, it really felt like I would be, you know, basically putting myself into

like a prison of sorts. New York, I just, I wouldn't feel free the way I feel out here. You just hop in your car and you move around. New York, you got to walk around all these crazy people and shit. I'm going to steal something from you. I'm going to go try it when I do interviews. I see what you're doing. I should try that.

Like when I talk to people, I should just say some wild viral shit. I should stop trying to get them to get comfortable, and I should just start bugging and see what that does at interview. Yeah. You want to do that, but you don't want to do so much that you make it about you, but you want to put your shit out there enough and just sort of let them react to it. No, no, no. The public knows I'm a narcissist.

it's okay for everything to be about me. Right. That's a joke. No, but you are a narcissist. No, no, I am not a narcissist. You reject that now? I've always rejected that. Okay.

Time to go. Time to do one of my favorite things. Smoking on the new port. Which is pullout dictionary.com. What are we looking on? Oh, narcissists. Oh, narcissists. Here it is.

Narcissism. That was fast. Inordinate, fascinating. with oneself. I mean, you put out like six hours every week of you talking about yourself with your buds, right? The Joe Budden podcast. Erotic gratification derived from admiration

of one's own physical or mental attributes being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development. If you know anything about me, this is not me. Erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes. I'm not shaped like the rock. You get your erroneousification.

a gratification. I know that you guys thought I was shaped like the rock, but I'm not one. And two, I've had mental health issues my whole life. So, I mean, admiration of one's own physical and mental attributes. No, I'm just confident and I've accomplished shit everywhere that I've gone. I don't have an inordinate fascination with myself. That's not me. That's y'all.

I'm not fascinated by me. But you've opened the window for us to absorb this. Not only have I been me. It's been normal for me because I've been me. It's 40 years of me. It ain't until y'all come and say, hey, Joe, that was intriguing. That was fascinating. I didn't think that.

Hey, that was your brain. It's all that this stuff. It's not me convincing others of this. I also don't think your podcast is that much about you at this point. Well, that's the thing. So, I mean, I have to refute when people, it's this growing culture of people using words and they don't know what it means just because it's cool. So narcissism is one of them.

So I have to refute that. That's fair. I try to be fair. I want to, like, awkwardly put my jacket back on because I guess I didn't realize I'm pulling it on, man. Put it on, man. Put it on, man. Hey, listen, man, so you got an album coming out,

tell us all up. So who would you want? That would have to be so funny to be here, like, promoting an album or just. I know. And this is the conversation I have to sit here and deal with to hope that someone purchases my music. Right.

Doesn't that seem kind of crazy? It feels much better just coming here, talking to you because you want to come here and talk to Adam. And this has been great. Yeah. No, it's been a good time. This has been awesome. Batman and Spider-Man.

One's a mutant. One's just a regular guy with a lot of money. I'll leave it up to y'all to decide which one's which. You can be the regular guy with a lot of money. And don't do this to the table like this, man. We're going to a new table anyway. The people I came with weren't sure if you were going to have eye candy around for them to look at. They didn't know how to take you.

Really? Yeah, a lot of the no jumper stuff. My understanding of you being a porno guy, that would have been pretty cool if I just had a little posse on the couch, right? So you have a only fan? No, my girl does. You're a fucking leech. I mean, I'm the one providing the penis for most of this content.

I don't feel like I'm leaching. You're leaching off your partner. You won't even go create your own only fans. Live off your own dick. I've seen dudes only fans for research purposes. I don't really see. myself as like the safari type you know all right well listen my name is joe button i have a podcast first ever episode of that podcast was uh apparently late because you were talking to safari on the

street wow who knew that that was the first yeah that was my first time uh meeting safari right on 46th street and he had just broken up with uh nicky at that time i was worried about him but i was happy to see him he looked good he was smiling And then you had a conversation about fake asses right after, and you wanted to make it perfectly clear that this was not a conversation about Safari's ex. No. Which was mindful. See, stuff like that.

I would never do that. I would never do that. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm not talking about nobody's wife, nobody's girl, like your ass, your fake. That's not my place. It's not my business. Safari likes fake asses. He told me that before I did the interview.

That had nothing to do with anything. that he has done that had nothing to do with Nikki. That was just, oh, okay, I just saw it as far as he said, like it's fake asses. Right. The end.

Everything a podcaster say don't have to relate to somebody else, don't have to have something to do with somebody else. Like, you could just be saying something. Hmm. And you're still anti-fake ass all these years later? No. Actually, from seeing your Instagram likes from time to time,

I would say that I don't necessarily believe that. Why? My Instagram likes tell you that I think a picture is cool. I hit the explore page now and then. I click on a girl. She's looking pretty good. Oh, liked by Joe Button. Okay.

I like pictures. No, it's fine. I like a lot of pictures. I support you expressing your heterosexuality through the explore page. Oh, man. Awesome. What else should we cover here?

I don't know. I'm waiting to see how you're going to end us. What are you doing the rest of the night? I sleep. Oh, yeah. I got all the work done. The work is done for the day. And that's more work.

pops up you kind of motivate me to get up earlier whenever you're talking about getting up at like three in the morning i'm like god damn i'm slacking getting up at seven i feel like a fucking loser i wake up pretty early but i'm conditioned that way like without an alarm clock i'm getting up you always been like that no no when i dropped out of school i thought that it meant i got to sleep in and then my mom explained that's not how this is going to work if your sleep past a certain time you might as well be a bum, you'll never get a job that way, you've got to go and fill out applications, and that's a morning thing. The money moves in the morning if you're asleep, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it was like this fear ever since you said that of, oh my God, if I sleep has a certain time,

I'm a loser, I'm a bum, I won't get anything accomplished, and that just stuck. It is kind of hard for me to understand how people are going to be serious about their shit and still wake up in noon? Well, unless you're serious about your shit, which requires you to go to bed, late. Like, I know some bartenders who will make a lot. a whole lot of money. They go to bed at 5, 6 in the morning. I know a lot of rappers are in the studio until 8 in the

morning and they think that I should want to be there. And I'm like, this is, we're on very opposite schedules. I never liked nighttime sessions as a rapper. I never liked going in late. I never liked a lot of people hanging out in the studio, drinking, smoking. Like, the

studios for work. I tried to treat it like work. I went in the studio from noon to 6, 7, 8. 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. I'm going to bed, so. Sleep is important now.

I'll be in bed. Sleep is so important. I'm going to bed when I finish with you. Are you interviewing another rapper slash drug dealer slash killer, murderer, scammer? Who you got coming in here? Oh, no, I'm done for the week.

This is the last one. You sure? I think there's a girl that Tristan Thompson might have slept with outside. Whoa. You better hurry and find her. I didn't know that I was going to have. But you know what's crazy is the blogs are full on trying to turn that girl into a celebrity.

The breakfast club. The breakfast club today. Not you. No. I mean, I didn't really like celebrate her too much. You've only done 900 interviews with these people. I had four girls here. Nine times.

Breakfast Club, literally today on YouTube, their title is that girl's name, blah, blah, blah, Tristan Thompson's mistress, whatever. And it's like, wow, they really have decided that she's going to be a new celebrity that they can talk about. like she's actually famous. Your work. Where's the round of applause button? Press it. Insert it in post.

My girl gets so pissed about the gunshot noises being so loud on yours. Yeah? Yeah, she's like seen her jump out of her skin multiple times when that comes to. I tried to turn them down, but it doesn't have the same effect. You kind of want that loud, blaring gunshot noise.

You get to sort of live your like selecta dreams there. You never got to be a DJ in your career. But Adam I'm leaving now This has been great You've been awesome Appreciate you man Josh you've been great

When you're going to have me on your Snapchat show Whenever you're ready To any Joe Budden podcast fans out there What's up This is pretty cool because I don't do this That's why I'm having so much fun You did it with Mike Tyson That's Mike Tyson

That's Mike Tyson But that carries some weight That's Mike Tyson and you're Adam 22. There's a small list of people I'll do this with. Small as in maybe six. I feel very lucky. Should.

Who else in podcasting in rap deserves this content from you? You said who else in podcasting in rap? Rap podcasting. Or is everybody that you would want to do this? Well, you know, podcasting about rap, podcasting with other hip-hop adjacent people. What is that? I don't know what that is.

You're just so rejecting, but you have anything to do with hip- What is a hip-hop podcast? It's like a podcast. I mean, yours is certainly one because you are a rapper and you talk mostly about rappers. I'm mostly interview rappers. So I mean, it feels like we're in the same bucket to an extent, right? No.

No. All the podcasters that are above me and rank are news podcasts. They have nothing to do with music, hip-hop. The podcast that I'm looking at that are achieving success are just pop. are just podcasts to share information on a consistent basis. Don't really have to be music. Don't have to be urban, pop. We don't have to put things in boxes.

If you cut this mic on, you are in competition with the music podcast, with the murder mystery podcast, you're in competition with the news podcast. You're in competition with all the podcasters. If you do music, you're in competition with the country music guy. Right. I mean, I've never... Everybody's competition.

looked at a country podcast. I don't know what they're doing in that realm. It would be interesting to know. But I mean, I've never looked at the podcast charts or anything. The other day they showed us our Spotify ranking. I'm like, oh, we have that. Okay. I don't look at it either.

Right. I don't watch the charts. I don't watch the rankings. I get a pretty good laugh at podcasters when they post it, when they post it, when they post the ranks. Right. It's number one. You're like I've been doing us a while.

Who cares? Right. You came out an hour ago. we're all number one for an hour and the rappers do that too like my album was number one for 30 seconds no no not even number one hey I'm number one on the iTunes rap chart

slow down buddy slow down what does that mean so I don't do that I don't do that and I especially don't do that after I learned the way that they just manipulate the charts anyway the same as billboard and every other chart any chart system it's there to be manipulated I was number one

on the Spotify chart and two I was mad at them. Then I was like 50. It was like, it was this fast. I was like, hey, wait a second. Yeah, no. What did the chart mean? It didn't change my numbers at all. I went and checked.

My numbers were exactly the same. My position was just different. So who cares? Definitely, yeah. You know what I did think was funny when I was getting ready for this? This guy's great. What I thought was great? Josh, you love him, right?

Do you love him? He's related to him. So you don't know. You don't know. I'm watching you do this interview thing with Jack from Patreon. My man. And I'm like, this is so amazing that the two white guys that he's going to do interviews with are going to be this dude, this tech guy, who seems like a nice guy? And then me.

And I'm like, wow, I seem like I really just appear to be in a different bucket. What bucket is that, did you think you appear to be in? Not a tech guy. No, you're not. I love seeing Robert. That's not true. Do the rappers doing interviews with like normie guys is so funny because they're so fascinated by things that like, you know, anytime you have a conversation from a rap with like a normie, they'll be like, Jay-Z doesn't write his wraps down.

It's like, you know none of these rappers write their wraps down, right? I don't want to throw this little tidbit out there for you, but if you're a podcaster, then you're kind of a techie. A techie? Well, I'm not like a venture capitalist. No, that's different. I'm a porno guy Yeah It just sounds like

If your dick was bigger You'd want to capitalize off some pictures Well I could fucking blast some oil into it Like I think that you're probably gonna end up doing Yo stop Because I'm not doing this porn shit with you no more I wish I would have known that before I got it Ian did you know that?

You knew he was a porn star You seen his dick? Oh my God I bear my soul to the world on here You knew he was leaching off of his wife Do you know he'll know he'll only show his dick on his wife's only fans and he won't fucking have the courage

and the guts to make his own. Do you know he's researching the other only fan dick shower guys out there and is intimidated at their girth? I cop taggers too. Just have to talk about it on the podcast. How could you be a porn star and you've never

had a sex bill? Orange, you just fucking... We've done a lot of ads for sex pills on here too. But I just never dropped in. Sex pill ads. Share the sex pill ad plug. Oh, I got you. You're not going to do that.

You never do ads. I'll do ads to make sense. Like a sex pill. Okay. I'll line you up then. Thanks. No, you won't. It's just something you say.

I always thought about it like this. You know, everybody wants to be happier, but I'm not going to like take Molly every day to be happier. Why not? Everybody wants to have great sex. I'm not going to take a dick pill to have greater sex. I just assume you're borrowing against something in the future there that I'm not sure what that is. That's true.

Your dick's just like a shrimp the next day or what? That's true. Really? No, I'm not talking about me. I'm saying that you're borrowing against something in the future. I understand. All drugs are that. I agree with that.

I said that in any of you the other day and everybody was commenting like, oh, that's so, so profound. You're profound. I keep telling this guy. You do coke. You're borrowing against your, like, future energy. So you've never done coke. I've done mountains of cocaine. You've seen Scarface?

It was like that, you know. When did you stop? I'll say three years ago I got oh so you're doing coke when we met I was still at least partying a little bit probably back then you know partying is the nice way to say it partying is like urban I know I didn't know what that meant

until somebody had to tell me LA definition you think party are like chughey cheese These girls were in New Jersey Hey you want to party I'm like hey I thought we were already catching a vibe Right They were already parted Food she said no

never mind you maybe just don't know if you're hanging out with the girl she whips out a big bag of Coke how you feel about that these days uh she should go in the bathroom at least keep it low key go do you're in the bathroom when I was on pills

I didn't pull my pill as I did but a lot of times I went to bathroom and came back I was like oh Joe's in a good mood as a sober as a sober person though Joe's he chipper after he peed whoa

Oh, that must have been some number two Joe took. Look at the mood he's at. There's not a whole new guy. Yeah. Would you, would it be grounds for dismissal if one of your co-host had OnlyFans or? No. Okay. I agree.

Why would I do that? I mean, I just don't know how comfortable you'd feel with that. I support that culture. I support OnlyFans culture. I'm not subscribing to you guys, but. You can. I'll give it a trial. But no, no, no.

I'd actually love to know anything. my girls. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're getting the trial. I'm sending to you. I'm texting it over. I am not using that trial. Yokety. How many only fans do you pay for right now, though? Three or four. It's respectable, giving back. I think you could do more, but. I could, but I mean, I'm a hard customer to reel in. Like, I go check to see how many videos are up, how many pictures are up. I'll pay for a month and take my shit back. if it's trash tell all my friends is trash like you got to really be doing your upkeep with the content to get me to stick around right I respect the girls who go hard with it a lot and also I

fucking I hate how so many girls just relegate all the good shit to the messages because frequently I've paid for a girl's like just for research purposes and then it's just there's nothing besides the messages no I love that you do like that it's a chance to spend more oh my god you get a you get a quick $87 for me take it to the message Call me Daddy a few times. But you're also the only dude on Earth who's still like buying MP3s. So that makes sense to me that you would be up in the messages as well. Okay.

I don't support bootlegging. Well, I mean, I pay for iTunes, so I just get to observe. You're the only one with like an MP3 bank or something. Well, because I did music for so long, I purchased the music. Right. So that it can be enough money with the parties involved. to divvy up. I respect it.

Versus streaming to where I get all the songs and the artists get a couple pennies. I can't support that. It's a donation. It's kind of amazing that that even exists on iTunes though because it doesn't provide you any extra utility by paying for it, right? Say that one more time.

Like you don't get anything out of paying for it. You're just doing it solely because you think that this is something you want to support. You want to continue to get money to this. I only buy things that I want to support. Even though most of the money goes to the labels who you probably don't mostly want to support. support. But I don't know where the money goes. I just know there's enough of it to be divvied up.

If you have a contract that says you get a penny and the label gets $9.99 and so be it. That's not my business, but I did the right thing. In streaming, where's the right thing to be done? I would argue that like streaming the music legally is just as right as purchasing it since iTunes allows you both options. I could argue that this is not a gate. I could argue that this wall is black. I could argue anything. You could argue anything you want. You could argue that. That's not a strong argument, Joe. I'm just saying you could argue anything, and that wouldn't mean much.

Of course you could make that argument. I'm sure there's some people out there that would. That's not part of my belief system. No, I respect it. And, I mean, could you really make that argument? Have you ever made a song? No. Then I don't want to hear what you have to say in that argument.

Oh, come on. True. That's a bad argument, too. Maybe. If you don't have a kid, I don't want to hear what you think about raising kids. That's probably fair. Okay. I don't think you have to be a musician to make sound.

decisions about how a marketplace of information should operate though. Not what I just said. You just changed exactly what I just said. I didn't say anything like that. I said, you've never made a song. Right. So there's certain things I wouldn't expect you to understand. Like the ideology of buying shit for the cost versus streaming it. That's it.

It doesn't mean you don't understand any of it. Right. But there's some of it where if you were a musician, you might feel differently about it. you being a musician sort of gives you a more of a license to have an opinion that doesn't necessarily make sense on this topic. It just gives me a license to have another perspective. No, one that you did not have because you didn't write a verse.

That's it. It doesn't give me a badge to be greater than. It just means I tried something that maybe somebody else didn't. If I was a whack failed rapper, don't you think that's like the only thing that people would want to talk about with me? It would be such a thing. that's not true I mean all anybody ever wants to talk to you

not all but like people just want to talk to you about your fucking time as a rapper so much well I've never been a whack-filled rapper right but I mean don't you think that you in your time as a rapper is not the most interesting thing about what you got going on but still people gravitate towards it because somehow music just captures people's attention

to such an insane degree repeat that even though being a podcast even though being formerly a rapper is certainly not the most interesting thing about your life right now that still people gravitate towards it a hit song is going to hit so many people

so much harder than a legacy of hundreds of podcasts. There's something about music that people just can't ignore it. Okay, I can understand that. You're right. I don't know where that was a point was supposed to lend itself to.

But a minute here. But I understand where you're going with that. I want to know what she's here. She just stopped by it. She works in the music industry. Really? Yeah. She works with a bunch of

Up and Coming L.A. artists. Oh, you're doing the publicist this thing? She probably wants to say, she probably wants to meet Joe Bunnan. I don't know. I would guess she's probably a fan. No, you want to funnel your artist through the no jumper infrastructure.

I've already worked with her artist that she works with. Who does she work with? You should check out, well, she works with Chief Keefe. I love Chief Keekeet. Blue Bucks Clan, too, right? No?

Oh, maybe that's a soft spot. How old is she? It's a grown woman. Mid-20s? I think she's grown. Right. I'm just saying it's good to see if 20s, I would say. 24, okay.

I think that's beautiful. Look at the hand tattoos. That's how you know she's subcultury. I like to see the young people like thriving and getting their shit off. I really do. It's great. There's a lot of that out here. I like it.

Old people, we need that energy. Older. We need that energy. It's important. Definitely. Give me a grand exit. I saw this happening and I know what it means. Hype it up.

Your team did that. Oh, they did? Did they? No, she did that. Yeah, that's your team. Laura. Yeah. Yes, she does.

It's okay. I just want to know if she's ever going to take that mask off. I never take offense to that, by the way. Is she vaccinated? I don't think yet. Are you vaccinated? I have to go. You want a grand exit?

Okay. No, man. Listen. Thank you. Thank you. You tried to call me a Wackfield rapper at the end. You almost got me fucking riled up. I was flipped the whole table over it, and we'd had our moment.

I like your raps for the record. I know you do. Yeah. I didn't take that away. That family reunion song back in the day? You liked that? Back in the day. Right, that was the best.

Back in the day. It's 07, back in the day. I always wanted to edit a BMX video to that song. It's not 12. I'm bad. But I like the remix so much more. And when I heard the original, I'm like, oh my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Okay, I was a child. Oh, my God. I was 23, 22. Whoa. I was a kid. I thought he was aging me on purpose, but you're right. You know what?

I can't tell. Some of my best years were like a long time ago. That wasn't your best years. Some of my best years. You know what's funny to me, though? Fuck, what I forget I was up and say. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The worst thing about your history as a rapper,

what you've left behind. Okay. Is that all the mood musics have these awful remade covers on streaming services. says, but then when you go look at the old covers, you're like, okay, I can see why they did this. You know, that's one of my biggest, if I have to have a regret in my career, some of the sound quality on some of my better music, like because that wasn't important to me at the time, or not that it wasn't important, well, it wasn't important.

But there was a value to that loafi at the time. It was a value to that grit, that unmixed, unmasted. And if you just were thinking long term, what a mistake. What a mistake. All those Gucci-Man mixtapes that were like my favorite mixtapes of all time. Oh my God, they sound atrocious now. Yeah, no, it's bad. It's some songs that are my favorite song to mine.

I just can't listen to them. That hurts. It does. I'll feel that. But one day I'll fix that, I guess. Somehow. Yeah, just remix, remaster, do. do something, put out a mood music collector's edition.

I don't know. I'll find some way. Box set. I did that already. You did a mood music box set? Mm-hmm. Damn, I missed that. Okay.

Yeah. When I was struggling to make ends meet, I said, oh, box set will do it. It's a lick. Josh thinks that's funny. It was cool. It was a cool. Now you're copying a different type of box set on OnlyFans.

Okay. I see what you did, dear. Listen, thank you, Adam. Good time, Joe. I appreciate it. Here, man, you don't have to live that way. It was all the way over there. You don't have to live that way. You could ask me. It's yours. I have this same master. This was cool, man. Thank you. Listen, next time you're in New York, feel free to swing by, stop by. Is this going to do something for my, for my social media following? Yes.

What will it do? You're like 18 to 24 percentage is going to shoot up. Shoot up where? Where will I see that? The analytics. Your team will inform you. All right. I'm going to be sad if it doesn't happen. It probably won't happen, but, you know. My social media following has been stuck for years and years and years. I feel that. So tell the people. As you get new fans, the old ones are just like, I'm out of here.

Hey, man, did you talk to Vlad recently? Yes. Again? Yep. Okay. I go on there. Did y'all talk about me? I don't think so.

But man, he had some bars for Liliotti. When that drops, I think I had a good job defending him, but that's, that's a good job. defending them but that's gonna be a whole thing got it yeah no no comment so you and glad got together to tear down a black came he might have attempted it I feel like you were there complicit and I was there to present a counter argument tearing down a black king but I mean you have a platform so if you wanted to present a counter argument you could have done it from here in front of the gates no I glorify these kings you speak of if anything I

I think that's what I'm doing is I'm having really serious conversations with a lot of people that other people don't think are deserving of that conversation. I don't care. So subscribe to no jumper and unsubscribe to Jill Button. You don't get to talk about Yadi, Vlad. I don't know if this guy told you or not. You don't get to talk about. You don't really get to talk about anybody. It's going to be funny if this drops before those clips drops.

So it's like a cliffhanger. It doesn't. It doesn't fucking matter. I've got 15 years. of saying what I'm saying about Vlad. That's not a surprise. Say it, Joe. But just today, bad time.

Bad time, especially after all that, Minister Farrakhan. What were your thoughts on Vlad and Minister Farrakhan before I go? My thoughts are that I'm glad I don't have an opinion about Minister Farrakhan so that I can't really wait into this conversation. This guy's good. I just don't. Joe Budden, No Jumber, coolest podcast the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes, like, comment, and subscribe.

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