No Jumper - The Kaash Paige Interview: Running Away From Home, Coming Out, Weed, Don Toliver Collab & More

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

Kaash – acronym for Kill All Arrogance Stop Hatred, is now well on her way to stardom. The Def Jam signee sat down with Adam to talk about her rise to fame and the ups and down she went through until the label called to sign her! ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Today we got the one and only Cash Page. How you feeling? K Pizzle, my G. I'm feeling good. I'm pretty high right now. I have to put out the blunt.

Are you really? Yeah. That's not a blunt. That's a fucking joint. I'm from Texas, so I just call them blunts. I got everything blunts. Yeah. Really?

I mean, I just don't want to be like, oh, yeah, I just put out the joint. Like, I'll say it, but the first thing that's going to. I feel like blunt just sound more alive. Yeah, it sounds more alive, but it's not. It's a blunt because it comes from a blunt rap. I would take issue with this. Either way it go, I'm getting high. She's trying to change shut up on the right here.

Wow. Okay. So you're from Dallas. Talk to us about it a little bit. For the people who don't know, you've been out here, you can say yourself, well, I could ask like 10 questions at once. You can say a singer or a rapper, primarily. I'm going to say an artist on some shit.

Because it's like, I don't know. I feel like I can do anything. When I want my homies, if I'm just vobbing and I want to sing, that's the type of I'm going to go for it. But if I want to rap and I'm turned, then niggis going to turn up in the stew. We're going to have to just set a vibe and just like make some either some pop shit, some alternative rock shit or whatever. Right.

Okay. So when, okay, let's just go to the beginning though. So I don't know. I'm a little all over the place. I feel like my brain is a little fried right now. But okay. So talk to me about your upbringing in Dallas and how you ended up making music and getting interesting and all this.

It's crazy because like in Dallas, man, I ain't started going to the studio to like last year. Really? Like, yeah, because in high school, my mom ain't let me go. I had to, like, sneak to the studio and say, like, I was going my friends out to eat. So she didn't want you making music, or she thought you were getting some other shit of the studio? A lot of girls when they go to the studio, it's not really about music per se, you know. I was on the hose. I'll say that.

But it was more, like, not trusting the people I was around, you know, like, she was like, people are going to steal your music. You can't trust everybody? And I'm like, I just want to, you know, I just want to record. Because my parents. You think she made you a little paranoid with that sort of thing? Like, people are going to steal your music. She made me super paranoid, but at the same time, it was like, shit, I don't care, whoever still the hell and blow it up, shit, fuck it. I just wanted to get out and record.

That was just my main goal. And it was like last year, whenever I started, like, getting out of my shell, I can go more. So your shell, you mean, like, the shell that she sort of had you in, or were you just shy? No, the show that she had me in. I ain't shy at all. I'm too bold. You would never like that? I was shy as a kid, but it was more of me being shy because I wanted to be, like, liked.

You know, like, growing up, you don't know. what crowd you fit in at first. So it's like, do I want to be with the cool kids or what are the cool kids? You know, like, are they the bullies or are they like the people that really just don't say too much? And I kind of just tried to fit in and everywhere that I could. That's a fucked up thing about being young is that a lot of times the cool kids are just like the meanest kids. Yes. Because they're able to sort of like push themselves to the top of the social pyramid, I guess. Facts. But it's like, it's crazy now that all the cool kids that just like pick on me like they stream my music. They be like, I love you.

or let's smoke when you in the city. Like, nigga, we didn't even smoke in high school. Right. I love when people want to just smoke. Facts. Like, they got to, like, save up all week for some weed and then they want to celebrate it with you. It's like, motherfucker, I'm smoking whenever the fuck I feel it.

And it's a pandemic. It's a pandemic. I'm not passing the blunt to you in this fucking trying time. Yeah, I feel like it makes me paranoid whenever I'm smoking with somebody and they just started coughing real hard. I'm like, damn, like, what you got going on over there? Like, are you sick or what?

I changed my attitude on smoking. I'm like, I'm gonna roll a blunt. If you need some weed, like for my friends who don't have that much weed or money, like if you need some weed, I'll give you some weed or a wood even, but I'm smoking my blunt and if you guys want to smoke, then you

can smoke, but I'm not really trying to like, you know, swap spit. And really, even in a non-pandemic time, I think this is kind of a disgusting tradition that we should maybe consider letting go. Facts. I mean, it just okay, so my thing about that, being in the high box, I'm that friend that's always going to have different types of gas because I want to get you the highest.

It's like, okay, so I got gorilla glue and I got Pine Up Express, so I got Blue Dream. I'm going to roll three of them hos up. So it's like, I'm just going to get you like very high. Like if I trust you and I know you're not really moving around like that, I'll pass you to blunt. You love weed on a level that not many people seem to. Man, I love weed. Just because it's like I think it's like a euphoric feeling of just feeling super joyful all the time or just goofy. I'm goofy 24-7, but I feel like when you hide, it's time 10, for real.

But so you're another type of person that, like, wakes up and smokes a blend, and then you feel a little groggy, and maybe your day is not as productive as a result? Nah. I feel like I wake up, and I'll wake and bake, just listen to some Azar Rashad or, like, some Mac Miller, and just start off my day. I can even talk right now. I'm that high. No, that's dope. But, I mean, I feel like a lot of people have that, and even for me, it's like, I don't usually wake up and face a blend. Normally, I need to, like, do something before I feel like that's an okay decision. Yeah, no, for sure.

I'm talking about like, wake and bake as in, I already didn't brush my teeth, already didn't take a shower and did all that. I feel like, it's just like, rejuvening it. Yeah, like I earned it.

Like, I just woke my ass up. Let me just go ahead and, you know, roll me something up and just smoke and just vibe out and go wherever the fuck I'm going to go or just like chill in my crib. Well, that's interesting. Do you wake up with a plan?

To be honest, I used to wake up with a plan, but then I learned to just live life how it is and just go with the flow. Because I feel like when you have a plan. It's like when shit don't go your way, you get irritated. That's interesting because like for such a long period of time in my life, I didn't really have like a set schedule. And now it feels like every day I'm just waking up and there's already a list of shit that I got to do. And like, well, you're at on 22.

Yeah. But you know, like it's like I got shit that I got to handle like almost every day. And then sometimes like a couple weeks ago, I had a week. No interviews the whole week. Just however it worked out that just nobody was around or whatever. And there was no interviews that whole week. I spent the whole fucking week just feeling like like what am I doing like am I doing enough? I felt weird because I didn't have like my normal thing that I'm used to doing it. I'd be feeling like a bum when I'm not doing nothing. I'd be like damn bro like I ain't gonna be shit. That just my head just like just down to myself because it's like what are you doing like make today a better day than yesterday or whatever. So I always try to like keep my day

productive if it's like writing something or just like shit hanging out on my family quality time. But then sometimes you'll hang out with like I'm 30. six. Sometimes you'll be around people who are moving at a different speed and you sort of realize like, oh shit, like, they're going to like kick it in party until five in the morning and I don't have the same luxury because I have something I got to do at eight in the morning, you know? And it's like, that can be kind of weird. Like it's very, that's a great period in your life when you could just do whatever and have fun whenever. Hell yeah. It just depends because sometimes I be getting tired. I'll be like, let me just go home. Right. Because I just can't kick it all the time.

I was at Blueface's career. There's like 15 girls there. We were all hanging out. We're all drinking and smoking and then I look at my phone at 10 p.m. I'm like, oh my 10 p.m. I got to go, guys. Come on. Damn, you went home at 10? Yes. This is how old I am now. Home at 10 and this house is at the house. You're tripping. My girl's nine months pregnant, so for the record

it wasn't like a normal like, oh, there's some bitches here and I'm a single guy. Congrats, dude. We did kind of, thank you. I appreciate it. We were talking about that. I'm like, how different would tonight had been if we were all single? Crazy. It would have been pretty weird. I would actually probably felt bad. Blueface puts some of these girls in a house and we just

come through and not I don't know what would have but um he would have stolen it would have been something I don't know but okay so talk to me about how you got into making music did you have that idea since like a super young age or when did that come into your brain um yeah I always want to do music because I heard my dad and you know the closet we had like a little studio in the closet and he'd just be playing beats and just making music and I'd be like damn what is that so I was curious one day he was rapping um no my dad's a singer but he was just more making music for other people and mixing their stuff. Really?

Yeah, so I just went in there. I was like, what is this? And he was just like, I'm just making music. And I was like, I want to do it. And he, you know, he would put me on the track, but I was never consistent. What age, though, did you start to want to do it? I think, like, shit.

Like, when I was like seven, seven or eight. But it was more like I was in summer track. I was really fast. I wanted to go to the Olympics. That was my whole goal. Oh, wow, really? And, yeah, like, we used to be in the summer hot as hell.

under tents, just eating pickles. In Dallas, running as fast as you possibly could during the summer. And then for some reason eating pickles. Yeah, wow, that sounds intense. Pickles are good for you. I hate pickles. You don't like pickles? It's one of the only foods I won't eat.

No, come to Texas. You got to get some fried pickles. Stay fired with ranch. I've had fried pickles and I will admit that those are a little bit more tolerable, but only because you... But you don't taste the pickle. You taste the fucking fried shit on the outside. Okay.

And then you dip it in ranch. Okay, here's something else I know tastes amazing. Okay. Okay. I'll give you that one. Look. You'll get five cool points for that one. So you're running.

Yeah. And then. And it was just like, this is what I want to do, but I also want to do music because I loved how it sounded. And I remember not knowing how to go about it because I want to be in a group. I felt like in my era, it was like mindless behavior, OMG girls, new boys. Like it was just different, you know, groups. I was like, damn, like that shit fly. Like I'll do music, but only if I can do it with my cousins or my friends.

Because then you can rely on other people and you do. You don't need to have a fully developed identity for yourself as an artist, if you can kind of rely on these other people. Exactly. And it's more fun because it's like I'm doing it with my homies. And it was just like, nah, nobody was ever serious with it. So I ended up doing it like my sophomore year because I sing everybody dropping music. Like around that time, I was still finding myself. I was a follower. But I knew I was cold at music. So I was like, damn, I'm about to just drop a rap song. My homie. And that's what we're going to do. So we dropped the rap song. I was like, it was like singing rap a little bit. dropped it and everybody at the school was singing at hell and I was like bet I'm gonna drop a singing song now and I dropped it before I turned 16 and bro was going crazy as hell at the school so like everybody started knowing me from music but everybody's know me from dancing uh-huh okay so like did your parents encourage you in any particular way to have that

confidence about music because I feel like that's one thing that so many people are just sort of born like even people who really want to make music it takes them a long time to sort of get into that mentality of believing in themselves. You seem like you were really confident. You seem really confident right now as well. Do you think your parents sort of set you up for that? No, my parents kind of had already had my, you know, my life planned out. It was school and, you know, sports in college. So when they realized that I want to do music, like, as I started getting older, it was kind of like, you know, that's dope and we know you can do music, but that doesn't work out for everybody. And I remember just like, nah, I don't want to go.

back to work. I graduated high school two years early. Like, I just didn't want to do shit. I was like, I want to do music, and I know it's going to pop me off, and I just believed in myself and shit. That's pretty much all that really happened. Like, I remember getting a call from Dev Jam, and my life changed. Like, my mom was, like, telling me go sign up for, like, classes and shit, and I was like, no, I feel like something to happen. So there's, like, the very end of high school when you got that call? Yeah, I got it, like, probably a few months afterwards. Like, I graduated high school, literally the day after I graduated from high school, I ran away from home because my mom thought I smoked in the house. Oh shit. Well, but you were really just stanking from smoking somewhere else.

And I'm trying to tell her she like, you lying, you lying. I'm like, bro, I'm not going to lie. Like, damn, I already told you I smoked. Like, I'm not going to add extra shit. So after that, she was like, you can't do music no more. I was like, fuck that. Took my shit. And I ran away. I ran away for a week. And it's crazy. I ran away. And I ended up at fucking commerce. like at a college. And she found where I was because, mind you, I'd be dancing. I was on somebody Snapchat

jigging and shit. And she was like, oh, there she is. And, like, was posting me on Twitter. Yes, bro. I'm in that whole, like, everybody like, hey, I'm like, hey. Why, your mom sounds really resourceful. My mom would have never,

on a Snapchat. That's crazy. Bro, my mom put out a whole ass Amber alert. Oh, no, really? Yes, bro. Like everybody that you know got it on their phone and shit? Everybody thought I was missing on Twitter, bro. What?

I just seen DM. It's like, bro, I'm praying. I hope you, I'm like, bro, I'm partying right now. Like, I just don't have my fucking phone. Right. Okay, so then what? Your mom pulls up to the party and just tracks you out of the party? It gets worse.

It gets worse. It gets worse. So I wake up in the morning. I see texting stuff and they're like, yo, your mom knows you here. I feel like you should leave commerce. I'm like, bet. So I leave commerce and I go right back to, like, Dallas, like, Arlington area. Bro, I'm texting my homie.

Like, can you take me to Houston to my sister house? and he's like, yeah, I got you. Bro, this dude literally went back and told my mama where I was. My mama pulled up and got me. He snitched on you as your mom? Yes, bro. Wow, what the fuck? You got to reconsider who you're hanging out with.

I feel like you can say both ways, like, reconsider or just like thank him too. Yeah, there's that too, yeah. But at the time, I was like, damn, you're a snake, bro. You're a rat. I was so mad. Like, I really wanted to stay a wedding and I want to go back home. Right. So what happens when you, like,

up with your mom again because at this moment like you're in that position where it's like you're 18 like you're about to be leaving the house or whatever like what is your mom really going to tell you it was like um it was just I had tried to jump the fence she had tried to like run and get me and they were just like where are you been and I was like I just been here like just chilling I want to do music like that was just my whole thing I want to do music that's the only thing I could say and it kind of was weird when I got back I thought I was going to get a whooping and just like be in more trouble. Nah, like they took me out to eat,

getting back my phone, and they were just like, you know, we were scared. And she kind of started getting more supportive and like we start kind of getting a little bit more close. And I don't know. I remember she was just like, yo, I know you want to do music, but you need to be in school.

And that's like kind of when I started like believing in myself more like, nah, like manifesting it, kind of speaking it into existence every single day. But you don't feel like you're the type of person that was going to be able to manage school and music? like I I because in my mind that's what I would want from my kid is like if you have something you're passionate about cool but you have to like be able to get your actual duties done and then you can focus all your other time on this thing you're passionate about but I also know from being

a kid that is like incredibly hard to like divvy up your attention when you're really nuts about something facts it was just like school just wasn't my thing I loved you know class and being social and you know sometimes I love my assignments like I was cool in chemistry I was cool in history I was in history, but it was just like, going to college, that wasn't what I wanted to do. I wanted to do music and do whatever the fuck I wanted to do, if that makes sense. And it kind of just happened for me. Like, I remember this day like it was yesterday. My mom was texting me and me, my homies was going out to some shit called Pennstacks.

She was like, you need to go home, you need to apply for college, you need to get a job. I'm like, I don't know. Something's going to happen. I don't feel like I should get one. And that's just that. And she was like, we need to take your ass home. And I'm like, I just got here. And she was like, no, I need to go home.

seeing this old couple, not really old, probably like 30. And I'm like, you know, 18 at the time. I walk in or like staring at me. And I'm like, bro, like, what the fuck? Because I was just on SoundCloud. I wasn't on Apple, no nothing. They were like, this might be weird, but is your name, Cash? And I was like, yeah.

And they're like, oh, my gosh, we're big fans. Can we take a picture with you? And I'm like, bro, like, that was my first moment of feeling like, you know, somebody. And I was like, bro, it's this feeling. I had a gut feeling that my life was going to change. She still texts me like go home, go home I'm like, bet, fuck it My home girl called me a Uber

I'm talking to the Uber driver And you know, I'm sad a little bit So she's talking to me and I was like I just want to do music You know, my mom just won't let me do music And you know, that's my passion And she was just like, I understand where your mom's Coming from from she's being protective

And I was like, nah Like something for gonna happen I don't know what it is But I'm gonna do music Got home Remember I was chilling my homeboy the next day And that's when Dev Jam called me And it was crazy as fuck

Like, yo you're dope my name's Tavis Chagway I'm from Deb Jiam recording yo I want to fly you out to New York tomorrow I was like huh I'm like stop playing on my phone nah nah nah nah nah nah I DM'd your manager I DMD you

y'all won't respond back like I want to work I'm like bet so I call my mom my mom's like that shit fake or whatever I'm like nah I'm like nah it's real I'm like search him up everything I'm like I'm going to New York

I'm going to New York I don't know what it is I'm going. And she was like, all, are we going to search him up? And then if we see if he legit, we'll let you go. So they seen it was legit. We fly out the next day. And it was crazy. It was just like, he was so cool.

I'm also, I was into, like, knowing that they were going to be on some, you need to record, you need to record. Nah, we went to the movies. We chill. He got to know me. And like, always, you know, like, fuck with my A&Rs have. Like, that's like the realest nigga ever. That's dope.

So you signed like then, or did you take a little while to sign? I signed like probably three months, four months, like later, but it was just like building that relationship and knowing that it wasn't how everybody perceived, you know, industry to be. It was like, we're going to put you in the studio and that's all you're going to be doing. Like, they want to take music because that's what my parents would tell me, like, you know, they just take people's music and stuff.

And it was like, nah. They thought you were going to take your music and, like, give it to other artists and stuff like that. And I was just like, nah, I feel like they really fuck with me. And they really fucked with me. And they kind of stayed in concert. I started me in Interscope and just different, you know, record labels. And then I ended up with Dev Gym. But you didn't, none of the meetings went particularly well in terms of the other labels that you met up with?

I wasn't, I'm not going to say they weren't going well. They loved me. It was just like the company I was keeping. You know, I had like a janky manager at the time. So it was like they could see that. I couldn't see that at the time. I was so young and naive. I just wanted to be signed, you know.

So whenever they seeing that, they were like, oh, we kind of don't want to be a part. But they always DM'd me. Like, they always would follow me and just be like, yo, just check. and then, I hope you're doing amazing. And it was just like I still ended up with Deb Jim because I just realized how real, you know, TAB was. Respect.

Okay, so that's interesting. What has changed in terms of your music since you signed? Like, do you feel like you're taking things to another level at this point? I feel like more growth than lyricism. Like knowing what to talk about, knowing how to, like, use my melodies in the, you know, a right way of making a hit.

And shit. My bro Sonic over there, like, he's the one that made the Cash Page sound, you know? We're some incredible pants on right now for the record. Oh, that's Jewel's. That's Sonic right there. Okay, yeah. He's got some more normal pants, but I, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you feel like you've kind of taken into a different level?

Yeah, just growing up. Yeah, just growing up. Like, I'm 19, you know? So it's just like to have the growth of last year dropping my first EP and then going into teenage fever this year, and everybody being able to relate and going number one first day, like what the fuck that makes zero sense I just signed last year you know so it was like

God's blessings and it's him shining his light on me definitely so okay when you because the thing was is that I seen somebody else say something about you or maybe I got an email asking me if I wanted to interview you or something along those lines and so then I go I started listening to music I go to look at your Instagram I do the thing that you know weird industry guys like me always do

where I check to see if you had DM'd me before and you had been on Melrose and you had basically been like, hey, like, I'm on Melrose. Like, if you want to smoke one or something, let me know. Where were you at, like, at that point? Because that was before the Def Jam conversation, right? Or was that after it that you were, like, out there on Melrose, like, meeting people and shit?

It was, but I met you with my homie Golden at Rolling Loud, too. Oh, right, right, right. And I was just like, shit. I'm going to get an interview with bro. He was like, I got you, bro. I got you. And it was just like, that's when I met you. Interesting.

But I did DM me probably like two years ago or last year. Right. Because that was before you ever had the Def Jam conversation and stuff like that? Yeah. Okay, so you were just doing the little Melrose, like, trying to meet people type thing? Hell yeah, like. That was an important part of life. Facts.

I'm just trying to, like, I don't know, just trying to connect and I'm still doing it every single day. For sure. Just, you know, knowing how to socialize and, you know, just have genuine energy with people. Yeah, I mean, you have very, like, strong energy in that regard, like, very personable, conversational. A lot of people, like, especially artists are sort of in this weird mental space. Or it would be in Hollywood or more. more being like, I don't want to talk about it. They just don't know how to hold a conversation.

It's weird because you meet so many people that like clearly think that they're destined to become this like pop star or some shit, but then they can barely hold a fucking conversation. And it's like, you realize this is about like people liking you ultimately at the end of the day. And I feel like a lot of people like carry some star power. Like I feel like blue face carries star power. Yeah. Like when he walk in the room, you're going to be like who is that? I feel like if you got that type of energy, you can go places.

And I feel like when you socialize with people and people like you, you can go even first. you know yeah i was just at walmart with blue face and i was like just seeing it i'm like holy fuck like it almost like kind of forgot like this dude's like level of fame is nuts like it's way beyond everybody want to be at thattiana his music yes oh my god we're standing outside the walmart and he's just taking pictures with everybody and these girls pull up crank thatiana i'm like it's so funny that they just pull up and play his most famous song like he ain't never heard it before that's so far yeah he's the reason why i'll be doing this dance that little I've seen like an eight-year-old kid doing that for him outside the Walmart too.

I'm crying. It was beautiful. Okay, so you've just been grinding away and stuff. Like, how do you feel like, what do you feel like you are really bringing to the table in terms of music or like what makes you special in that regard? Like, what is it? Charisma. Personality and just like, knowing to always keep it shrilling, be myself. I grew up not knowing who I was and wanted to be like everybody else.

So it was like, once I found out what type of. of energy I carried and the type of voice I had, like voices in speaking terms, not really music, but that too, it was like, shit, you have star power, bro. Like, get in this shit, you know, like really, you know, take this shit serious and take advantage of it because you don't get this chance all the time. Oh, that's real for sure. Um, okay, but from being in the studio and stuff, from working on your craft, like, it wasn't even in a studio. Me and my bro, my bro in college, we recorded everything in a dorm room. Right. But, now, but now, now that you actually are in like real studios and working with real producers and stuff,

do you find yourself feeling like you're really, you know, adding to your craft or like taking it to a different level? Do you look back at those times recording in the dorm and it's like, whoa, I've come a long fucking way in terms of knowing what I'm doing since then? Nah, we still record in the dorm. Really? We still record at home studios. Oh, okay. I just don't like big studios at all. I feel like when you're at home or you're around a company of creatives that have dope equipment and dope equipment and dope.

energy that makes the music that makes hits you know and that's what we did in all the dorm rooms bro like just made super hits definitely yeah yeah and it's like you feel comfortable yeah when you feel comfortable you can do anything and you see that go to extremes too because I see rappers like sitting next to the engineer with the mic just like that so they don't even have to get up and go in the booth or whatever that's like some new shit mad people who just like huge artists are just recording their living room and let's just that's the way it's about that more than like how having the booth around you or whatever, yeah.

Because I feel like when you go into the room, it's like, I mean, the boots are cool, but it's like being able to get that right there because you're going to have a melody in your head and it's like, then we need to cut this right now, so I'm forgetting. So you just like cut it. And it's easier. Like I feel like when you go in the booth, it's like you have to sit there and, uh, uh, uh, more pressure? Yeah, because it's like you're fucking up.

You're going to continue to fuck up. But I'd rather fuck up like in my, you know, my comfort zone, like be in a room where I'm comfortable with these people. Definitely. You punch in or you're right beforehand? I just freestyle. I just kind of like just say whatever that comes to my mind. Uh-huh.

But you'll like go back and forth or is you like lay like a mumble reference type track and then sort of end up going over it? I'll do a mumble and then I'll tell bro to delete it. And then I kind of just freestyle and we'll listen back and we'll be like if they fuck with it, we'll keep it. If we don't fuck with it, we won't. And usually nine times out of ten we keep that hole and then I just go again. And then I do shit with my voice where I just go.

do like ooze like I'm a sampler so I sample my voice oh really wait what's that you like you know how like you hear old school songs and um like different like bryson telly's music or something it will be us trying to recreate old school songs with voice memos or like anything and just put it in the song and put an effect on it oh wow that's interesting yeah that's crazy um who have you actually like worked with musically because i've seen a few names thrown around that you've collaborated with that hasn't been released, I think, for the most part? Or, who have you been in the studio with? Recently?

Or, in general, yeah, since you kind of got gone. The only person I've really been to studio with before COVID was Don, like, Don Tolover. And he's, like, a beast in a stew. Like, he goes in, like, Wayne. How did you get connected with him? He's incredible. My manager. Like, I literally texting him.

I was like, yo, I want to get him with Don. He's cool. He's fire. He was like, bet. And shit, we got, like, the next day. And I remember playing him, you know, some of my release records. He was like, oh, yeah, them shit's fire. I play Euphoria.

He was like, oh, fuck, I'm getting on that right now. Really? And he got on it, and it was just over through time. Like, shit, he wanted it on his album, and Travis hopped on it. Wow. So you actually, you didn't actually meet Travis? He just hopped on the record separately? Yeah, I didn't meet Travis at all.

Right. I want to make a record with Travis, though. Really? That's interesting. Yeah. That was the, I feel like a lot of young artists now, that's kind of like the Holy Grail. He's sort of one of the biggest dudes out there right now. Yeah.

I feel like Travis, Drake, anybody, I want to make songs like Childish Campino. Would a love to work with Juice World. You know, like, just like different type of artists. Yeah. I feel like anybody, Katie Perry, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande, whoever. How do you get into that pop star, female pop star world, though?

That's a pretty unique category. I feel like it's just how the tone, like, I don't know. I feel like you set the tone in the music that you want to make. Definitely. Who were you looking at originally to sort of, made you want to be a rapper, both male and female? I like Drake. I feel like Drake is super vulnerable in his music.

And I feel like vulnerability is what eats people alive. Because it's like, dam, are you in my mind right now? Like, I can relate to everything you're saying. Why? Right. And I feel like when you can relate, you tap into the artist more because you know exactly what they're talking about. You were there before, you know?

And I feel like female-wise, Cizza. Cizza has the most gruvious, you know, like, feel about her. I feel like I was listening to her on SoundCloud, all her SoundCloud music, and it was like she used to rap, and she kind of reminded me, Erica Badu. And that's, you know, what Dallas holds. And so I was like, damn, this is a dope feeling. And I just kind of wanted to mix the two in between. Interesting, yeah.

Is there any female artists you want to work with? All of them. It's not even any in particular. I don't want to work with anybody. I don't want to work with me. And, like, if it makes sense. It has to make sense. It has to sound good.

You have very diplomatic attitude in the sense. There's a lot of people who are like, oh, yeah, I don't really like anybody's music or I don't want to work with anybody like that though. See, but you don't get nowhere in life being like that though. I feel like people that are like not even really assholes. It's like the energy you put out is what you get back. I feel like you put out good energy, you're going to receive that back. And I feel like if you put out bad energy and you're like, man, fuck that I don't want to work with these people. That's what you're going to receive back.

I had to grow from even wanted to work with writers. Last year, I was like, a writer. The fuck? No. you can't write my story. Really? Now it's like, that writer might have

one of the biggest records of your fucking life take that, you know? So it's like now... And you can only possibly learn from that person, really. Exactly.

So now it's like, now that I'm getting back into recording, it's like working with writers and working with these other producers and really tapping into what the fuck I can do. You know,

I don't know what I can do yet. So it's like, I just want to fulfill everything that I can. When you say working with writers are like, what is that actual experience like for you? is it typically like you just end up in the studio

with somebody you don't even really know and then they're sort of like giving you like do they have reference tracks ready or whatever? Some of them already be like reference like they already like have the track recorded so they just play it or some are just like yo like let's listen to some beads to you just tell me like what it makes you think about

I'm gonna tell you what it makes me think about and it kind of like a collaboration but I've never really worked with any writers so I'm about to just now get into it so I want to see how it feels. That's interesting. Yeah I feel like it's kind of crazy too because people want to act like the writer thing

is just this cheat code that's going to make you explode. And it's like, no, I know a lot of people are working with writers that don't seem like it's not really doing anything for them, really. They're not taking them off. It ain't really changing anything for them. I can't even imagine what their music would sound like if they didn't have a writer. That's pretty funny. I was watching another interview with you where you just very specifically said that you

really don't like Sagittarius as too, so I really wanted to call you out there and find out what's wrong with me and my people. Are you Sagittarius? Yes, November 24th. Nearly a Scorpio, but no. Okay, so male Sagittarius, I don't know much. Me neither, because I've never paid attention to this my whole life. I'm screaming.

I feel like female Sagittarius, bro. It's just something about them. It's just delusional. It's not like I hate them. It's just like when it comes to relationships, I just wouldn't date them. Interesting. So you are, would you describe yourself as more into guys or girls? Girls for sure.

Okay. I feel like whenever I was, you know, like coming up or whatever, talking to dudes it was just too serious i've never met a dude that wasn't shit you know like i always had like cool you know like cool guys around me but it's like females bro i mean like the worst females but i love them really i love them i guess i could relate to those too yeah i'm dead guys guys know exactly what you're talking about that you could meet a girl that really ain't about shit and you're still like she's a girl it's amazing like she's an angel but you describe yourself as bye um i wouldn't even

want to label myself yet because it's like, shit, I'm still young. I don't know what I'm going, you know, I don't know where the fuck I'm going to be in 10 years or 15. You know, like, who knows? But it's not, I feel like for some people. It's more like, I'm just me and I'm attracted to what I'm attracted to, you know? I mean, for some people, like, they just know that they're not into other, what, any gender in particular. For you, it's like a little bit more blurry, like you could see yourself being interested in it. It's just not where you've kind of leaned so far.

Yeah, it's just more like, I've been more on females, like, ever since, you know, In high school, because I got my first girlfriend, my eighth grade year. And it was like after that, that's all I was talking to. Really? Because I remember my seventh grade, no, it was my eighth grade year. I ended up punching this dude I was talking to in a face. Really? Yeah.

And you were like, fuck this. Yeah, because it was just way too much. I had punched him in a faceover. So it was something else. I think I dropped punched him in the face. So everybody knew that you were in a relationship with this other girl in eighth grade? Yeah. It was no big deal because I feel like the world is.

It was for sure a big deal. I mean, it wasn't a big deal, but everybody was like, oh, like, they're gay, oh my gosh. And it was just like, then everybody wanted to start coming out. Like, I like girls, too, and just trying to flirt. It's interesting when you say that, because I'm trying to picture somebody being in a gay relationship when I was in eighth grade. It's like, I don't know what that would have been like. I feel like it would have been like the biggest deal ever. Oh, for real.

Like, the fucking talk of the school. In 98, yeah, probably would have read differently. I'm crying, bro. Everybody was just trying to turn gay after that. Yeah. Really? Damn. Except the school on fire after that. Nah, for real.

I was like, damn. But I think everybody kind of, like, already knew. Like, I've always been, like, I would describe myself as a pretty tomboy. Right. Yeah, because it's not like, I'm not coming in this whole, like, man, what's up, bro? You're trying to, like, just talk.

Like, I'm not coming in this hell, like, trying to be a boy or trying to be a dude. You feel me? Like, I'm coming in this hole really chilling and being myself. Right. Do you still have a lot of guys, like, trying to. Bro, yes. My best friend, my ex best friend, just hit me up today.

talking about, yo, you're in my dream. And I was like, what happened? He was like, bro, like, I don't know. Like, you came up to me, like, by the car and you were like, you've been wanting me and kissed me. I said, damn, that dream does not sound realistic, fam. Yeah, you should have kept that to yourself, buddy. Yeah, like, that was just, it got super awkward at that point because I'm like,

why would you, you didn't have to tell me that, fam. Like, I asked you, but it was like, you could have left that part out. Like, he should have just made up a whole other dream because now it makes me not want to talk to you like that. Oh, yeah. So weird when you talk to girl. about how hard it is to have like platonic male friends because like as you become cool with them they just will 100% end up shooting their shot.

There's just no underestimating how horny do that. I feel like it's the same with females though too. Like you'd be having like a bad bitch that's your friend. He'd be like damn like one day she'd be looking too good and you'd be like damn why have not shot at you? No yeah. As a guy like if I was single it is kind of hard. Like if you have like a really good looking person that you really get along with like

what is the thing that's going to stop you from shooting your shot sooner or like? later unless you have a good reason not to. Exactly, unless it's just too good of a friendship. But it's like, bro, then be the best ones. I think that's the problem for dudes, though, is that at the end of the day, dudes don't really give a shit about friendship all that much. Low-key, it's just like, it is what it is. Yeah, they're friends with their boys.

It's 5-5, that's dope. Or at least they're acting like they are, yeah. Oh, it is. Mm-hmm. Oh, shit. You're going to make a wish? Nah, I'm just into angel numbers. Like, I see them all the time.

Just the repeating numbers? Yeah, like I'll see 1-1-21-2-3-33. I just see them every day. Interesting. Two-two. Adam-22. Then you got to have the other two. Oh, so I need more twos.

Mm-hmm. To like, well, I mean, 22 is the angel number. Yeah? I'll take that. I'll take whatever I can get. Okay. Have you dated any actual, like, rappers or anybody that we know, or has it all been more local relationships?

See, I'm more interested in the low-key. Like, you don't even really need followers. I just, like, pretty, like, natural female. and I feel like when they be super chill and don't really care too much about being on the scene and just about their money and their business, that's my type. That's interesting.

Yeah, but would I fuck with like some female, like, girls in, like, the industry? Yeah. What's your type, though? Christine Emilion. Okay. That's very, very specific. She's pretty.

Yes, I'm saying. She's gorgeous. I feel like that. I don't know. I just love beautiful women. Right. I respect it. That's crazy, man.

I know you beat, bro. I know you used to be on the hose. Let me rephrase that. Well, we work together now. So it's kind of like, that's a weird part about is that me and my girl will be like looking at some girls Instagram together and being like, we should work with her. Like, she's hot, yeah, you know? That's a lot.

It's weird. It's only, I feel like she'll never get jealous unless the girl looks like, like if the girl's in the exact same category as her, like similar body type, similar skin tone or whatever. But like if like a twin. Yeah. Like if we're talking about a girl that's like a completely different race or whatever, it's like she don't really. It doesn't like line up for her to be jealous of it because it's just like a completely different category. Yeah, it's like you get in like you got your cake and you eating it to the type shit.

Literally. She's nine months pregnant right now. So there's a whole lot of cake. What a, so you're working on an album? I'm just, excuse me. I'm just working in general. Okay. Like since I just dropped my project, I just been working and just trying to like figure out what is the next move besides like getting content.

I feel like when you actually focus on what you're supposed to do, like it just fucks up your whole mind, bro. Because it fucked up my mind, my first EP. I was like, damn, this EP is called Park Car Convo's. I have to think about shit you'll talk about in the car. And it's like, bro, you can talk about anything in the fucking car. Like, just make music. Right. Parked car convos.

When I first, like, heard that, it really reminded me of, like, a high school type vibe because there's so many times in your life in high school where you just, like, have to conduct your business in the car because you don't really have, like, a house or an apartment yet. Yeah. Diggas got a smoke in a car, drinking a car. Yeah, definitely. Just sit there out in the, like, parking lot. Riding bikes, it's always weird when you see people that are, like, in, like, a public park sitting on a bench together, but they clearly, like, I've, over the years seen people, like, really close to, like, actually fucking in public.

Well, I've definitely seen people fucking public, too. But, like, you know, like, when you can tell that these are, like, two, like, kids who basically are, like, they're just all over each other because they don't have anywhere else to go. But they're just, like, doing it on a public bench. It happened me the other day, I rolled up on these four. We were riding at this college, and I rounded this corner. And this girl was, like, straddling a dude, and they're just, like, making out.

And I just, like, immediately, I felt like I had walked in on something I wasn't supposed to be in. I turned right around. I'm like, Jesus Christ. It's the PDA for me. I just can't do all that in, you know, public. I feel like kissing on the cheek or, like, it has to be, like, slight hug. And I don't feel like everybody should be just caked up. And I feel like it's just weird sometimes.

I feel like that was my problem when I was single, is I would be like, meeting random girls and like just going out with them and all of a sudden we're like holding hands and shit like i just didn't have that like proper filter in my head of like no this is things these are things you do not do with somebody you just met well holding hands yeah you put a couple beers in me it was just out the window they could start turning to a whole different person kind of um okay anything else we uh need to know about what do we uh go to say before we uh wrap the cash page interview part one i feel like it'll be more to come not for sure for sure He's got to have a geeked one.

We got to have a Hotbox one. Like, when we get high as hell and see, like, who can get the highest or something? Who would you want there? Who do you want to smoke with? Seth Rogan, Snoop Dog, and Mike Epps. I feel like that would be the funniest high box session ever. All people, like, in their 40s or 50s, which is interesting. He didn't go with anybody younger.

But Mike Epps is funny, and he don't even try to be. Right. I feel like, he'll just be like, oh, hell no. Everybody just started laughing. Like, he's just goofy. I'm trying not to laugh right now thinking about it. That's interesting. You know, it's funny, too, because a lot of older people just stop, like, allowing the world to know that they smoke weed.

Because, like... As an artist, some people, like, they don't want you to. I guess this late into the interview, I'll just say it that, like, one time I linked up with Joe Bowden, and there was just backwards on the table. And I was just like, you smoke backwards? And he's like, is that weird? And I'm like, no, it's not weird at all. It's weird because it's you, bro. Like, I'm like, that's what everybody else smoked.

I can't even see him smoking. Like, I can't see Drake smoking, neither. But you know that, no, Drake, because you've seen him with the little spliff. He's always talking about spliffs, and you see him with like a little spliff in like a video of him, like, walking around the house and shit. Hits hit too hard. Like, bro out there, his shit was low-key hidden. I was just trying not to choke. I feel like, you go to Miami, bro.

They'd be having, like, grab a leaf in their shit. You put the fronto in there. It's crazy, yeah. Bro, throat burning. It puts like a weird cloud over your day when you've got the fronto really pumping through your lungs because that shit is so like. And it's smell like cigarettes sometimes, too. I love the fronto, but I never, I never. never like get it but then I like my friend from like my friend black day from New York he

rolls the best fronto splits god every time I hang out with them I just get fully I stop rolling anything myself and I'll just be like oh Dave you want to roll something up like slide it over to him like he'd be fully loaded because them hose hit just like hemp wraps oh yeah the hemp wraps you know that's what they have to do for a lot of like the pre-roll blunts now is that they have like a hemp thing that like feels kind of like tobacco and that's what they wrap it in I've gotten some of these from companies. I just had the highest moment ever. It seems like a pre-roll one, but it's a fucking hemp leaf.

But when you did this, bro, I didn't know if you were looking at me because you're if I was looking at you because I'm high. I was looking at you because I'm talking to you. Okay, okay, okay. You did this. You were like, I was like, I've never seen nobody do that shit before. So I didn't know if that was like one of your high moments or what. Sometimes I feel like I don't do enough eye contact on the podcast.

But then I start to overthink it. Like how much eye contact is what I supposed to be doing? one time I had to do freak out on me because I like shook his hand like to meet him but like I didn't really like look at him and then he was like he's like man what is that like you introduce yourself to somebody but you didn't even like have eye contact with me I'm like but it was like in the middle of this long ass live stream and he he had no idea like how mentally tortured I was at this point this might have been the same day that boonk passed out on the live stream damn he passed out yeah I've never seen that before smacked his hat on the wall

I noticed the other day it was like six million views was he with a female on the hotel bed or something? No, he was sitting there doing an interview, and then when he got up to leave, he went and smacked his forehead on the wall. Damn. He hates being called Boonk. Now he must be called John Gabana.

What up, John Cabana? You lit. You missed the Boon, Gary. You were too young. No, I remember the Bunk area. I just wasn't paying attention to it as much. Because I was just like, damn, like he's not in trouble?

Like. Boonk? No, yeah. That was a weird one. Because he, like, started out just like stealing shit, and then he eventually kind of started a fake stealing shit. Everybody started doing it. Yeah.

Exactly, and it was just like, I just couldn't keep up with the hype. Around my era, I was just pretty much focused on what the fuck was next. Do you feel? And weed. Okay, but like when it comes to social media and shit like that, do you ever feel like you're sort of incentivized to do some goofy-ass shit to get popping? Or do you feel like very confident in just being yourself in terms of how you present yourself on social media or otherwise? So what if I worded that, like, if you are a goofy person?

Oh, well, then that's, I mean, hey Yeah, like, I be corny as fuck sometimes I post corny shit, so it's like, if that's what you're attracted to and y'all fuck with that, you know. But you ain't doing skits yet, are you? No, I'm not doing skits. I've seen rappers start doing skits. The label got a gun to their head or something.

I'm like, I know you don't want to be doing this. No, like, no fucking skits. I just did a short film for my album. Really? Yeah, trying to turn into a TV show, get it picked up by Netflix or something. Oh, that would be lit. I like shit like that.

What about beefing with some other rappers? Beefing? It just doesn't. That's guaranteed people who paid sensitivity right there. Facts. It's not worth it. Once you start beefing, everybody wants to know why y'all are beefing. Are y'all going to fight?

Or just like, what is it? You know, like, I just feel like beefing's not it. I'm problematic. If you want a stage of beef, it would be great if you fake beefed with a girl and then dated her. Or fake dated her. I feel like people would just think I was weird if I did some shit like that. They'll be like, nah, that's not it. Because Twitter, you have to understand.

Twitter is a different type of time now. Like, it's cancel culture. And then it's just like, it was no point at this. Like people that don't really care like the Debbie Downer. Yeah. Yo, you know what I see people getting accused of now is like the fake dating, like fake gay, queer baiting type stuff. Like they'll be really mad at a girl for like pretending to date another girl

if they're not really actually like that. Who did that? I've seen YouTube girls do it not in hip hop so much. I've never seen that shit on YouTube. I don't know.

That just makes me think of like some Tumblr era. You were a Tumblr girl, that makes sense. I fuck with Tumblr. I feel like Frank Ocean made me

fuck with Tumblr. You don't still look at Tumblr, do you really? I'm not going to say, I don't look at it, but I want to like, I want to bring it back in a sense.

Like, we take like disposable film pictures and shit of like the sky or just us and just like we'll post it on some shit like that. I feel like Tumblr and My Space need to come back.

I wonder if anybody could have like a pop and Tumblr in 2020 or maybe they do and I just don't know about it. Let's do it. We're going to do it. That whole aesthetic of just being like a person who's like known because they would curate the right random images on their tumbler. It has to be some, I don't know, it has to be like some aesthetic shit. Like take a picture of your shoes or some shit.

Like swag. But that's the number one thing that like I heard somebody say that like that's what girls do when they get their first cameras. They start taking pictures of their feet. Yeah. I'm like, picture of your feet or like, I have seen that a lot. Yeah. Like you just look down in your feet and you're like, damn, I got feet.

I'm screaming. Nah, for real, they be together and shit. Get a photo of these size eights. I just got some shoes today. He said it was fire. Those are fancy. They still got the tag on the bottom, too. It's lit.

What are those? Valenciagas or something? Nah, Sondro. Sondra. I don't even know about that. Shit, he just put me on today. It was like some shit in Paris. Really?

She was expensive. How much? That's my first time spent like $1,200 on some clothes. bro. Geez. $1,200 on shoes? No, I think the shoes probably like 300 or something, but it was like

it was this jacket and there was these jeans and then I had like this suede like sweater. It was crazy as fuck. And I bought some other shoes. So are you like, how's that going? Like having some money to buy some shit. It's good, but at the sense

I love saving money too, but it's like I feel like if you have the mentality that you're going to always make it back, spending is not a problem. But it has to be spent wisely. But you can have your dumb moments where you're like, fuck this, let's get fucked up, let's turn them buying a pound or buying bottles.

Like, you're going to have that moment. You don't go buy a pound. Just get somebody to give you it. True, but at the same time, it's like, I like supporting too. But it's like, if I can get. Exactly. If you can get the free weed, for show, but you're only going to give me that free weed

because I supported you in the past, you know? Yeah. No, yeah. For sure at a certain point, you just got to start just keep buying weed because otherwise, like, I hate just doing all the networking and to get free weed. It's not worth it. Yeah, bro, because people would be wanting to be super cool.

Like, damn, bro, I was just trying to get some weed and you're trying to be my best friend and it's like the best feeling though is when you're out like rolling loud and you end up leaving with like a backpack full of like west coast cure full of eights and shit that's like god damn i got like a half a pound in all these containers bro west coast cure literally gave me like a backpack on my birthday like it was a box full of like 30 cans of weed yeah and i was so fucking loaded it feels so much better than if you were to just have that in a bag and the bags be clean too you need some bags you got some backpacks you got some backpacks No. We're actually working on that.

That should be fired. Bags. Bags is like a new thing. We've done 5 million T-shirts and hoodies and whatnot. That's just the wave. We've got to get the bag, the bag dance. If you want to do yourself a favor when you get home, search Brian Pumper, the bag dance. Well, he has a backpack on?

No, it's just a dance called The Bag Dance that he does. It's the fucking funniest thing I've seen in my whole life. I'm gonna tap in. I hate YouTube. I would love to play that right now. On YouTube, I used to look up like Bigfoot and like Lockmiss Monster and see if aliens were real. That's like early wormhole that you fell into That's so funny

Every single time I see a fucking bright-ass star Be like guys, it's a shooting star They're like Cash, I think that's a plane I like that I'm trying to check you Don't bring me back down to earth guys Come on Enable my artistic vision

Right I'm trying to dream big Okay so what you want them to do Tell them what to do now that they're done watching this interview Man y'all are watching You know Cash page and Adam 22 On No Jumper right now I want y'all to keep being you, keep being a cool kid, and just stay true, man.

Many blessings to everybody. You know what I'm saying? And follow her on Instagram and whatnot. Facts. Follow me on Instagram. I don't really be caring, but yeah. Follow me on Instagram and stream my fucking music. K-A-A.

K-A-A-S-H-P-A-G-E, Cash Page. You always have the two A's? Yeah. Okay. So it's like cash means kill all arrogance, stop hatred. Oh, so that's not your government? My real name is Kyla. Ah, okay.

Kyla Page. Okay. How did you end up with that name? Now, when did I come into the pitcher? I used to throw parties. I used to call myself cash my checks. And so it was like, you can't call yourself cash because that's basic. You need a star name.

So I use my middle name and just put it right by cash. Oh, there it is. Cash. Does that mean anything to do that Juicy J skit where he says cash like five million times? I feel like when artists say cash in their songs like it's so teed, like I'll be like, they're talking about me. I'll be hearing like playbook cardies my like cash, cat. I'll be like. That's me.

He sang my name in the baby voice. No, but I got to play you this juicy J skit. What's redone this? He's like, motherfucker can call me on the phone? What? Cash! Who's this? Cash!

For real? Yeah. I want to hear that shit. That shit sound live. That's what we do. After this. Yep. That's what we do it after this.

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