No Jumper - The Kali Muscle Interview: Growing Up in The Streets, Prison, Blowing Up On YouTube & More

Episode Date: May 17, 2021

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world that today I got an absolute legend in both the street world, the fitness world, et cetera. It's Cali Muscle in the building. Thanks for having me, man. This is a dream. This is epic. Really?

Yeah, yeah, this epic. Because the thing about Cali Muscle is that I DM'd you, my girl said, she goes, I remember right when I met you, you DM that guy asking for an interview. And I didn't get a response for like four years on Instagram. You are a lie. On God, we can show right now. Soon as you DM me, I responded. I think that you might have a delay on your Instagram.

I can show you that. I did. What's his name? Today, he just said, the rapper, said he didn't look at this DM. No, T-Pain, I know. T-Pain, I know. And when I was thinking about it, I'm like, I bet that Cali Mussel had a similar experience.

No, so I responded. You did, but like four years later. I'm opening your Instagram. No, so I responded, the first time I got DM from me, I responded, and you're like, cool, because I just moved back to LA. Right. And so this today is like maybe 10 months after we were supposed to do the interview. Look at this.

2016, June 2016. Yo, Callie, I do a podcast called No Jumper. We have 200K on YouTube. Keep in mind we're right now at 3.7 million. We interview a ton of rappers. We'd love to get you in for an interview. 2016? And then again in 2019.

Just watch that back workout video and got reminded how bad I want to interview you I got 3 million subscribers down Let's get it I didn't see none of that T-paid, I feel you You can't see it I posted it and they even said

Don't tell Cali Muscle I need that interview And then boom June 8th Of this year Hey bro it's Cali Muscle hoodball as well with you Barra Ra so finally Damn I didn't see none of that Crazy I'm so I'm real

I think it's good that we waited though because it needed time to simmer. Yeah, but I respond. I respond to everything. But did you know about the request folder? Because that was what kept T. Payne from figuring out that all these people are hitting them up. Uh-uh. So I've actually lately turned mine off.

The request? Just DMs. So only people that I've followed our DM before. Some people trickle in there. Okay. But, yeah, because there's a lot of, you know, just weird them, man, going on nowadays. I don't know what happened. But yeah, so I would have responded.

Okay. Well, I didn't think it was intentional. I figured maybe, you know, this guy's been in the game a long time. He might not necessarily know how the DMs work, like T. Payne, you know. So I take pride in being one of the forefront guys on the Internet. You are. I've been on almost 20 years since MySpace. And now there's a million motherfuckers trying to be like you.

In the fitness world in particular, it's like the most. They don't have no personality. Right. But everybody wants to be like a fitness influencer. now. And it ain't no money in it. Yeah. That's the thing. You know, I was fortunate coming from Oakland

being a hustler, like an opportunist hustler. And so I did everything illegal you could think of except sell my booty. Everything else, Cali Mussel did. That's dumb that you said that because

in the bodybuilding world there is kind of that whole dark area. You know some of these guys are out there selling jerk-out videos to guys in Saudi Arabia. Now, I did something similar to OnlyFans back 12 years ago. Okay. It was same as OnlyFans back then. But once I found out the rim, like, oh, hold on, where the women at, bro?

I'm cool. No, but that's an interesting thing about being a bodybuilder is that, like, you know, the gist of the job is basically like being photographed with your shirt off, looking all oiled up and crazy like that. But then if you sort of like, market it towards the gay men and we all know that gay men are a big percentage of the of the fans and bodybuilding then a lot of the guys will look at you like you're a fucking weirdo right right and i assume that your like personal code might forbid you doing anything a

little fruity like that right well yeah so you know i'm a part of a organization in the bay area four and five coobee so in prison if you like that was forbidden right you couldn't even talk to a tranny by yourself. Okay. Because they were demonic. And they would say, oh, if I go talk to them by myself and they get mad at me, I suck. I gave me head.

Yeah, I did. And, bro, most motherfuckers ago, like trolls or say something. And most people believe them. They'll believe that tranny and you would probably lose your life. You can lose your life. Is that serious? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. for that tranny saying that he gave you some head behind the backdrop over there. Let me just, let's rewind. Take me back to your youth. You growing up in Oakland, set the scene for me of like what was going on in that world and what you were getting into and what your surroundings were like. So I grew up on 98th in the East Street, Drug Street.

Okay. Fast. And you were born when? 75 in Oakland. Oh, okay. Yeah, 1975 in Oakland. So I moved to East Street, and it was fast. I'm talking dope.

Just everything going on. I never forget. My main lesson in life, my mother taught me at, I was about 8 to 10. You know, as kids, it was so fast we're always in the window and the curtains looking out. What's going on? Right? So a dude got his head blew off right in front of my house. my mother grabbed me by the throat man

like hey motherfucker you get out my goddamn curtains and mind your business that lesson took me all through my life so the lesson wasn't a man lost his life this is very sad

the lesson was keep it moving and don't be looking at that shit because you don't want to get involved exactly because they'd come up in her house and this is what she said because they'd come up in here and kill up everybody knowing you

saw something or whatever. So that was like my number one lesson in life that I learned. So I lived in the drug area and went to, grew up as a kid. I was a good kid, but then my little brother was born. He goes to see this too. And I had an older brother. It was a genius. And I get to that in a minute. But so he was my role model, my older brother. So went to school, was an okay kid. just a class clown. As a kid, I like I am now. Was a class clown real energetic, didn't know how to shut up

and said the wildest stuff stayed getting suspended. And so once my older brother graduated at high school, he graduated at Valley Victoria. He was my role. I mean, he was a perfect person. Dress, he was always best dressed, never wore titty shoes, proper hair cut,

just an outstanding. him the guy, man, and a genius. Graduated, like I say, with a 4.5 GPA, went to college, San Luis Obispo, the academic scholarship. So what happened was I went to the same high school. He went to Castlebott High School. So I tried to follow his footsteps. So I played sports.

He didn't. So I was getting a 3.83 GPA in all the newspapers, football wrestling track. So my senior year, he ended up dead at Cal probably said Elizabeth by my older brother. And so my mother, even though she knew the truth,

she told lies about his death. He could have killed itself, but I don't think he did. How did he that? He killed itself. Yeah, suicide. Do you know why or what the motivation might have been? No. So I was just telling the tax guy just now,

we was over there. 30 years later, I'm 41 now. My mother says he called her crying and said he was going to kill himself. And so I might, hold on you. So you, both of y'all fucked up my life. Left you wondering all those years. And so everybody said when that happened, I changed.

I got went dark. When he, when he, right. I became an introvert, got real violent. I stayed with guns all through junior high all my life. I always stayed with a pistol on me. One more question, though, is when he called your mom and told her that he wanted to kill himself, but still did he not really tell her what the motivation might have been or what he was so upset about? He blamed her not loving him, and my little brother was going to be the death of her

because that's who her focus was and still is to this day. Wow. Is my little brother buy him everything? He's like her guy. You chalked that up to like mental illness in general, that he probably? it was just going through all kinds of stuff and didn't really understand or have a way to understand it?

So with suicide in my eyes, because the devil got me other ways. Like, if you vulnerable, and I think all suicidal people are like this, if you're in a vulnerable moment emotionally, the devil would be like, man, just nobody care about you. You're going to blow your shit off.

You're vulnerable. It happened to me with violence. Right. Like if my money got low, the devil come in. Man, bro, you got that 40-cowl. Go hit a bank or something. You know what I mean? And so it's the same thing I feel with suicidal people.

It's just a different demon that they're fighting against. Right. Well, because my demon is violence and, oh, my money loan. Look at that bank. It's all self-destruction, you know. It's different ways of getting there. Exactly. Like shooting yourself in the head or going and doing a crime.

that is very, very likely to land you in prison for 10, 20 years? I mean, it's not so different. Exactly. And, you know, kind of find out with my family, the men had a curse on it. All the men had a curse. My first uncle, my mother brother drowned. The other brother that I looked up to got in a car accident. My brother killed itself.

I end up in prison. My little brother ended up in prison. And it just, right now my cousin's 48. I just found out he got COVID now his kidney fell he on dialysis and it just

yeah with the men of my family his son got an L man and it's just crazy but so you were it sounded like you were a good student and everything but then you also were moving around with guns from our early age

was that just you had to yeah so what happened in Oakland when the starter jackets came out oh okay everybody started robbing for him right so I never forget it was this one

one particular dude and he ended up getting my best friend life in prison. But anyway, so he started going around robbing everybody for his starter jackets. And I'm like, I'm not letting this fool rob me. So I got me at 22. I was about 12 years old. And so I stayed packing it. You know what I mean? And from then, so let me go back.

The reason also I started carrying guns because my mother traumatized me as a kid and pulled a gun on me. Whoa. So after that, I'm like, I never let nobody whip out first on me in my life. Why did you pull a gun on you? Well, my little brother lied on me. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so after that moment, I'm like, I never let nobody whip out on it.

So I went all through my life with that mentality. Right. In prison, whatever, I ain't let nobody whip out a shank on me. Piss the nut first. You're going to stop the problem before it starts. Yeah. Well, and I wasn't an argue or nothing like that. I come from, the area I come from, it's the opposite of what today is.

Uh-huh. We dress like college students. Right. We wore org-out sweaters, wear little glasses. We wanted to look proper, but was knocking motherfuckers down. You just wanted to look proper because you didn't want to draw attention to yourself in that regard. Well, not only that. That was a style at the time.

That was a style. All the killers looked like squares. Well, and they came, you know, the mafia. And just back then, when you look at the old mob movies, mafia, that was that era looking suited and booted

and you know what I mean? Like we took prestige in that. And the era, the era now is that you go kill somebody in a rival gang and then you like put it on Instagram after. Right. Like that happens so much

where I see a video on YouTube and like, oh, they caught this dude and like, you know, two hours after he sprayed up this person's house, he tweeted out, LOL, we'd be spraying people's houses up. And it's like,

how are you seriously doing that you're crazy well you gotta think they parents birthed a demon that's all that is that's that was their purpose on this earth to be a demon i've been on both sides so i understand i understand these people just the advertising of it is the crazy part you know if you're going to do some crazy shit and get away with it is one thing if you're going to basically make it as easy as possible and the cops is another thing well they suicidal yeah They like kamikaze, they don't care. That's what's so crazy is to see like 60. They just seen a video about a 16 year old kid in Philly who got four murder charges.

And he was just, they got video of him jogging down the street, putting 15 shots in some other kid and then jogging away. Wow. And it's like, like, how did the, I want to know about this kid's upbringing so much to understand how you get a 16 year old kid to that point that he can just gleefully do that, you know? Yeah. This is upbringing the house. household, the friends here around. Me, you know, that's why I believe there's born killers. I don't know where I got none of that stuff from.

When you go, you could go talk to my ex-classmates. What? When they heard I went to prison, whatever. What? He supposed to be going to NFL. He was a senior class president, graduated with 3.83. Dress. He was most likely to see best dress.

I was vulnerable for that devil to come in. But so it was really your brother passed and that changed everything? Yeah, yeah. I went super dark at that point. So my family, I was the go-to guy with problems. Like I handled problems, so I was known to nip stuff in the bud. You know, I was just that type of guy. But I wanted to go to the NFL.

I wanted to be successful. I wanted to move from Oakland and be a good person. But I always, I just, after my mother did that, I'm like, I never, I'm going to do, and I live by this to this day, I'm going to do whatever I can to live as long as I can. If that means whopping you first, that's what's going to happen. Yeah. That's just, you know, how I live by life after that. And that's God instill. It just, I believe there's born killers.

Like you talk about the little kid, 16, he was a born killer. But it has to, do you really think he was born that way? I think he had to have been shaped mentally. Like, there's got to be people around him that are basically putting him on to murder and conditioning him to think it's okay to live like this. Nobody put me on the rock. But I did, used to, every day as a kid, 10 o'clock news used to come on. And I used to watch the 10 o'clock news and critique robberies.

for no apparent reason. Like, I would just watch the dudes like, they're dumb. Why he didn't wear masks? Why he? As a kid, I didn't know why. And so when I got in bad positions, boom. Oh, I know what to do?

I could do, you know what I mean? I thought I knew how to do it and I didn't. When I think about me as a young guy, though, I was shoplifting since as early as I can remember. Me too. I was just taking shit. And then my parents taught me it was wrong. And maybe I didn't do it for a while,

but then over time, I just started to do it again. And then once I met other kids who were doing it, then, oh, my God, let's go crazy. That was me. I would like, ooh, look at that leather jacket. I'd go in Macy's. Look at that leather jacket. I'd just go over there, act like it's by, put it on, walk on out. And so you're right.

It built up. It kept build it up. So when you said the born killer thing, I do, I see what you're saying to an extent because there's just a lot of people that are just drawn towards doing the wrong thing, you know? Well, and so it just, You know, you got to stay well away from him because he's on one. Right. But so, okay, where does your life go from there once your brother passes and your mind state changes?

So my brother, he passed, so I went dark, got introverted, anti-social, but I had the scholarship to Fresno. So I went to Fresno State on the academic athletic scholarship, joined the fraternity, alpha-fi-alpha, had my little girlfriend, whatnot. And so You're in college Does the street shit seem like it's all in the past At this point? You're in a frat

No I wasn't in So before college I wasn't in no street shit I never got pulled over Never went to jail Juvidia. Carrying guns and shit But that was just to be careful

Right I worked at 24 hour fitness The first one ever From the 10th grade to the 12 Wow okay I worked at the gym So I was already buff When I went to college But you weren't fucking with gangs

Or nothing at this point now Ain't no gangs in Oakland I was that kid So it's funny All the dudes I thought was Hella older than me Only like one two years older That right

Yeah Bro you have I was this kid You have any problems Come get us We'll knock them down I was that kid Okay I didn't have to

If I didn't want to I'd have to do that I'd be like hey bro But I was that born one Okay That liked you know To do that stuff So

So I went to college This one I get in trouble Okay. My roommate, so my brother died, my roommate at the time. What happened was my dorm, they say they didn't have my paperwork. So they like, I'm like, I drove all my, me and my girlfriend stuff down into U-Ha, and they say in my dorm, like, they don't have no paperwork on me. So a guy that took me on the tour of the college was like, bro, just come stay with me.

I got an apartment, you can stay with me. You ain't got a trip on that door and stuff. Right. So right, I'm a loyalist. So right then, this dude was like my family. He took me in. So he was already in Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity. So they had a big party.

So I'm over there buff. I didn't talk probably at all there. Right. I'm over there just watching him, you know. He getting a fight. So I come in, knock dude out. Come to find out, dude is the top. He's the top.

basketball player at Fresdo. Oh, wow. And he's a crit, right? So he's telling people over the whole university, tell that buff nigga from Oakland to cancel Christmas. This is the first time I heard that saying, right? Wow. Yeah.

Tell that buckling from Oakland to cancel Christmas. I'm scared to death. I hunt me down the gun. I go, bro, this is crazy. So I'm asking people for a gun on campus. Oh, go to Room 103. Dorm 103, they got them all, right?

I going there was like a gun store. In the dorm. Yeah. Like stacked up guns and boxes. They're like, what you want, homie? Oh, we got the 380 over here. We got the 38, got the 40. I'm like, I got $125.

Oh, yeah, take this 380, boy. He goes to a box of the bullets. I got that gun and got possessed. Really? Yeah. Well, from then I was on a hunt for dude. Really? Because he was telling everybody, my girlfriend would come home.

She ran track. You were trying to run into him before he ran into you. Yeah. Well, and so I got possessed with it. And so in the midst of me getting possessed with the gun, I go back to Oakland, celebrate my little brother birthday in the car breakdown. I had a Laguna, Chevy Chavez-Cabelle Laguda, and loved it. I just had bought it, broke down, engine busted.

So I put that in the shop. I'm like, I need 500 bucks. nobody my mother wouldn't give it to me i went to coach sweetie he like a man got to do it a man got to do and i took that the wrong way so i'm like fuck i know to rob i've been studying robberies since i was a kid kind of find out my frat brothers because i joined the frat alpha fire alpha they was robbing everything in fresno wow i didn't even know it

so they end up getting convicted going to the feds after me but so I found out I'm like bro take me on one I need some money they're like for sure we got you go tomorrow night and so tomorrow night come and they call me like oh

we got to cancel something with bro I'm already amped up I'm already hype I'm in all black ready so I'm walking out the house and my roommate that you know took me in

he was like an angel bro he was to this day he's a good Christian guy, whatever. And so God sent him to me. So I was walking out the house. He was walking in. He looked at me and he, you know, he wasn't intimidated or scared of it.

He put his hand on my shoulder. Like, what you doing, man? Well, I'm nothing. Right? He like, take your ass in the house, man. What you doing? Right. I was looking demonic and all black. I'm like, no, I'm about to go do some. I got to have some business.

It was midnight, so I'm riding my car up and down the street. I'm like, finally some senses come to me. I'm like, let me take my butt home. I'm tripping. And the devil, he was like, bro, turn to your left, boy. Dude at an ATM. And I'm like, and I'm the type person where when I program myself, I got to do it.

So I look to the left like, damn, he had the wrong place, wrong time. I got to hit him up, went and robbed him, whatever. And just so happened as I'm coming. as I'm coming out from robbing him riding down the street, he'd come right behind me and get the license plate dumber. So the reason I did it in that car, you know, me as a kid watching rivalries, I think I know everything, whatever.

I'm like, I'm going to use this car because it's not in my name. Come to find out, I forgot. I went to DMV trying to get the car in my name. Oh, wow. And so, man, it wasn't 30 minutes after robbing that man, And the whole Fresno police force was at my door. Wow. Yeah.

And so I'm so young and evil and demonic. I went to sleep while they was knocking. Like, fuck, they ain't got no search war. I went to sleep. Woke up in the morning, got all the stuff, went on the run. And so after that, they hit all my fraternity brothers' houses. Going to sleep while the cops are knocking on your door. That's pretty badass.

Oh, yeah. That paints a picture for me, yeah. And so I got on the Greyhound, went back to Oakland, and my mother and my stepfather, like, you know, I told him what happened. First time in my life being honest with him. He's like, well, you can be on the run all your life or deal with it. You know what I mean? I'm like, fuck. I was thinking, okay, I had on, you know, dumb criminal.

I had on a hoodie. It was dark. They can't see me. I'm like, forget it. I could probably beat it. So I went back to Fresno and they arrested me. And so my bail was only like $1,500. Right.

It was like $15,000. They could have bailed me out. I got institutionalized in about a week in jail. Really? I was so powerful because everybody seen me on the news. I was buff. Right. So I just came in county jail regulating and I hadn't experienced that power.

So they're like, we go bail you. I'm like, no, I'm good. This time, attack on some time if I get some time. Right. I was in there having fun. You were having too much fun. Yeah. And I was institutionalized immediately.

Really? Because my life was so structured, football wrestling track, workout, work out, work. Right. That, you know, I was like a robot anyway. So I just fell right into the jail life. And so what happened was I stayed in there by, six months fighting a case

they came at me with probation give it here I signed my fraternity brothers there my brother came down boom I'm like I'm about to get out right that's why I could never be racist a black young

DA was my DA she looked at me your honor I made a mistake I got to go to my supervisor we'll come back at the recess boy, I already like, it's over. I already do it's a rap. She came back at the recess.

Oh, no, I made a mistake. I mean, five years, C-YA. I'm like, youth authority, California Youth Authority. Five years old. And so with me, everybody already told me, do not go to YA Youth Authority because your buff ass go be in their fight,

you ain't going to get out to you 25. And I was 19 at the time. And so I'm like, let's go to trial. You know what I mean? Because I knew my max was only seven years. I think they was trying to give me five. I went to trial. They towed my ass up.

Because they had so much evidence on you, right? Yeah, yeah. And I didn't care. Right. I was having fun. Like, let's go. What do you think it was about prison that you kind of got into? You see this when certain people, they go into that environment,

and it seems like they almost just fall in line right away. What was it? you were looking for that you found there. For me, I was like a celebrity. It was like how I am now on the streets. Right. So, oh, you're the youngster boy. We saw you on TV.

You were playing football. You went and did that rod red. And I was already buffed. So everybody like, I want to work out with you. And it was just, back then, fitness and prison was everything. If you was buff, you was like a. God, and I was the buffest thing they had seen really at that time. They thought I was covered for a youth authority because usually youngsters come from

youth authority buff. But I look like a bodybuilder because I've been training at a gym since 10th grade. Did you have decent access to weights in the gym? Like, were you able to work out more during this time period? I feel like when I watch prison shows now, it doesn't feel like they get much access to weights. So you know, California took the weights in 96. The 96 is when that happened. Before then, every day I was working out.

So what happened was when I got the prison, I caught my case in 1994. I got two years of working out crazy. I was the best-looking dude in California prisons. And so what happened was in 1996, they like, okay, we go stop you guys from working out so much. So they broke it down to an hour. You can only work out for an hour at a time. time. So we started hearing rumors that they take in the weights.

So by that time I got the San Quentin and Arnold you know, he was the guy at the time, passed the bill, take the weights out of prisons. Do you think that was bad overall for the prisoners? No, because

and old school correctional officers hated it. Really? Because now you're doing calisthenics. You not only got strength, you got endurance. So the, so the excuse was they was worried about correction officers to get the fights. That's what I was thinking is like if you have all these dudes in the prison and they're

all just beast mode, they're all huge. That's like, what the fuck is the card's going to do? Well, I mean, they have guns, but I'm in. Right, exactly. And not to mention, you could get life in prison. That's why I have so many snitches in prison down. Yeah. So it's a weird dynamic, especially at St. Quentin.

It was real political. Right. And so they took the weights, but everybody, we improvised. Before they took the weights, I wrote basically a book of what I need to do to sustain my muscle until I get out. And so I would, you know, use water bags, people on my shoulders, callus, oh, bad, pull-ups, dips. It must have become so much harder at that point. You know, you can only do so many push-ups in comparison to bench and 400 pounds. No, it was funner.

It was more fun, okay. Because you got to figure now, oh, let's make it. a water bag. Oh, they tripping off water bath. I lost all my time for working out. I was doing squats with a dude on my shoulders and you wasn't supposed to do that. And so I went to the whole, end up doing seven years off seven because of my infractions. I was getting at San Quentin. That's fucked. Yeah. And so, no, guys to me were in better shape because with the weights, dudes like high on the streets, they were just power lifters or something, just walk around, can't breathe and shit.

Did you feel like you almost became like the leader of your race in prison very quickly? Or would you say leader or would you say you became very powerful? And was it super racialized at that point? So let me, I got to go back a little. So I practiced Islam for two years. I was a mere. I learned how to read and write Arabic. Okay.

There was all nationalities as Muslims. Okay. So bam, when I got to say in Quentin, everybody, all the polar, police labeled me as Kumi 415. I was like, what the fuck is? I didn't even know what it was. But they kept on, you Kumi, you're 1005,

like labeled me as a leader. And so finally, all the friends I grew up with, they were that. And so I started talking to them, whatever, seeing how they operated. And so what happened was I was a Muslim, I was a Muslim clerk, and I printed up something.

Are you tired of being tired? So they got posting on San Quentin everywhere. So the police knew exactly where it came from because it's like fingerprints on all the typewriters and all that stuff. So they sent my ass to the hole for 90 days. While I was in the hole, I was in there with the gangs. So I'm like, man, bro, you know, I've seen that the Muslims, they was fake. they was doing heroin dope and they was

fake as I was like bro if y'all make me top motherfucking this I become a part of it I'm not go get in it and listen to no dope fiends tell me what to do and they're like bro we got you we'll make you a lieutenant soon as you come here boom and I just

rose up the ranks in like 90 days I was a top dude really yeah that's pretty crazy but it was a lot to come with it You know, you got dudes been in the 10 years not in that position. They try to knock you down. Right.

You know what I mean? Like, it was fun and it was, you know, I was playing chess. I just look at my life as like I outplay chess, which I played chess eight hours a day at prison. Really? That's what you guys would bring to there. Oh, yeah. I would, uh, so we used to compete on who read the most books a week and chess

and, of course, working out. That was my main thing. Sounds pretty positive overall. Yeah, especially, you know, gangs in there got a negative connotation, but we, you know, Kumi 4 and 5 to consider the organization. I brought positivity to it. Like, I got a lot of dudes off dope, working out, just, you know, being a good person, best you could be. Do you think you became a better person in there?

A lot of people seem like they think they became a worst person in prison. and you sound like you kind of kept it mostly positive and it came out of there more focused. I had to call some shots. I had to get down when it's time to get down. So I was a good, so this is, that was a waste of life for me. I was already smart, intellectual, good guy, especially in state prison, around all them dope fiends.

So San Quentin, bro, I used to sell dope in San Quentin. like I never even saw crack until I got to say it quit so no I didn't become a good better person because I was doing the legal stuff in there yeah no yeah because I worked in the R&R reception center

and anybody came in with dope I would give them bugler and I like get a 25 rock that you know $25 on the street cut that up make $500 and so yeah It was just

And saying Quentin is the worst man It's so political And fun And it's like the streets Yeah It's like living in Oakland or Frisco It's like

Just always something going I stayed in the hole With Quentin Because there's so much gang stuff Going on in there And you're from the Bay You're from Oakland Where it's not really that gang shit

Like how did they Accept you Or what was the Thought process on that? No so you know Quentin is ran by mostly Kumi and

BGF. Okay. Yeah, there's no, bro, when I did, so I did time and I started off

because I called my case in Fresno, Delano, Wascoo to Hatchee. Gang, like, Christian Bloods wasn't tripping. Right.

It was like workout, money, they didn't even do dope like Northern Calvert for their prisons. They get a little

weed, they cool. When I get the San Quintas when I lost, I was supposed to do five years, 10 months. I end up going to San Quentin losing all my time.

Right. Doing seven years of seven. Wow. Wow. They wild. Way wilder than southern California. So you did seven years in total on this run? Yeah, but I was a recidivist. I liked prison. I went back four times. Four more time. So, okay, you get out that first time. And what do you do? 2001. I did 94 to 2001. Okay. And then you get out and... I get out. And so I become a stripper, a personal, trainer making bread. Really?

Stripping alone, I was making $2,000 a weekend. Where were you staying at? And where were you stripping? I was back in Oakland, on 98th and East Street, down the street from my mother. I got an apartment. And so I got, I was working at 24-hour fitness in San Leandro, and I was with a strip agency called Men of Azotica. Uh-huh.

Bro, my second day out of prison, I got with the strip agency. We did a fucking strip show. for like 10,000 women. It was a John B concert. What? Bro, that shit. I was hooked. All those bras screaming for it.

I got out swole. I was a swalless one. And you were dancing for chicks. I feel like chicks don't go to male strip clubs anymore. Is it still a thing? Yeah, you got some out here. What's that strip? You got a couple of strip clubs out here that women go to.

Really? Yeah. So was anybody, did you have any reservations about that? doing this was there anybody saying like no that's just gay to be a stripper yeah and so you didn't give a fuck or what i wanted to yeah it's glad you boy you're a good interview i wanted to touch on that so me being who i was and by the way i know some gang members who used to strip back in the day and i wouldn't bring it up but i know it's a thing so i'm interested with the mentality yeah i know uh the game or something But no, so listen, so yeah, I had an issue with it.

So some of the guys in the game were they were like, they got to the founder. They went to the founder like, brother, y'all letting the top knee on the streets be a stripper? That gay shit. Bro, I found out. I had to get on them. But yeah, so in Oakland, that was a stigma. If you're a stripper, oh, that gay shit, niggie gay ass stripper, well,

I'm like, so what happened was I started taking a few of those dudes with me that was calling himself a hardcore gags and shit. They're like, bro, shit, sign me up. All that money getting thrown. But yeah, I went against the grain with it because I never gave a fuck. And when you get that, when you get down for the getting,

you don't give a fuck with my, I'm like, boy, I knock your fucking noodles out. Right. I didn't care. I was like, that was good money. Because that was my plan. When I went to prison, I'm going to get out, be a personal trainer and a stripper. That was the plan.

And I did it in that same week. And so you're probably making pretty fucking good money at that point. Oh, man. Especially fresh out of prison. I was making like, you figure a weekend, I make a good $3,000 with stripping and my job. So what happened was the reason I went back, I got a car, a five, 5.0 Mustang and I got an accident on the street on a freeway excuse me on a 580 freeway and so you know I'm like I am now it's in the shop I want to rent the top car so I rented another Mustang that shit was like a hundred some a day so I'm paying it waiting on my car the personal training shit I didn't know it dips so it was like uh it dips in like December, something like that.

Oh, yeah. Everybody starts working out and goes on vacation and shit. Yeah, and I didn't know that. So I'm spending money like crazy and my money like I almost went broke again. So I'm like, fuck. I get at my little brother. I say, hey, bro, give me one of those half things, man. I'm half a kilo.

Right? Bro, I did last 90 days. I got that kilo and I got everybody on the block selling and who. police, it's like, I think they had a chip in me. And I actually, when you see guys keep going back, because they make you get that tuberculosis shot, they force it on your ass. I think that's a chip.

They just figured out your operations so quickly that. It wasn't 90 days. Right. And they threw a case on me. They said, oh, we've seen you do like this. I was a third player. A lot of people haven't even done. What the fuck is a third player?

I didn't know either. They said, I gave a nod to one of my workers to sell dope to somebody. Right. Third player, bam, I'm on parole. Now I'm fighting the case. Wow. So I went back to Santa Rita, got a year on a probation violation, and I ended up doing a year total, and they gave me three years.

So I got out again after that on parole probation. and I'm like, fuck. So I started going to Frisco because I was hot in Oakland. I started going to tender lawns down there. Right? I'm the big dog. The streets is mine.

And I got a line on how many ever I can handle keys. Oh, you could. What? Sell it, boy. So you got out on that quick bid and then you were like, fuck it, I'm going to just keep pushing this. Oh, I was big-headed after that because I got the line. Right.

And the streets. So the stripping money slash personal training money might end up being what, like $15,000 a month, something like that, maybe? Maybe about 10. But selling Coke is you can make $100,000 a month.

Right? I couldn't. You couldn't. It didn't last long. I couldn't. Bro, I was getting unlimited. That's why I knew the dope game was hyped up from movies

and stuff like that. I was getting, bro, I thought, I'm getting burnt. Bro, I know how to cook. My boy, not a... We got a whole operation. I couldn't make no money. Really?

Yeah. Things kept coming up? Yeah, you figure, Yon's gonna call you, hey, can I get a nine pack? Firstly, I'm on parole probation. I don't trust nobody. So I got a pistol on me.

I'm in a hot-ass car with rim. I was one of them dumb motherfuckers. And the car, fly-ass car with big rims, hell of music, playing the music. with a whole nine ounce on me in the pistol. Right. And I got to take it to him in the hood

because he ain't got a car or something. So when I get there, huh, give me my $4,500. Bro, I'm $500 short. So you got to go through all that. So I was going through. I'm like, what the f? I can't get rich.

Selling deed, man. Right. So anyway, I went to Tendorloins and boom. Caught a case out there. Yeah, another third party. They just start just giving me those third player went to Friscoe County Jail. Was that stuff they did before, like the RICO Act shit, like in terms of like just sort of these, this nod that you're describing? So you figure this 2001, 2002.

Okay. So they did that RICO by then, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so, uh, that's federal shit. Oakland, they just start playing on that to get the big dogs out the way. Third player. Like, we've seen you give a nod.

What? with no dope found nothing. Right. And the courts would allow it. And so, yeah, I caught another case in Frisco and did 90 days, got out, and I'm like, man, this dope game ain't working for me. I think I'm going to get out in Pimp. Right. So I was in the cell with this old school Pimp dude.

I read all the slim, you know, all them pimp books, Iceberg Slims and all that. And so I'm like, yeah, I'm get out being a pimp. So in the midst of me doing that, I was selling X at the same time. And so the pimping, that shit. My first day pimping, I knew pimping was simping. In what way? Pimps are suckers, bro. You just have to deal with so much bullshit.

You're a taxi cab driver. You're a fucking, you're the bodyguard. you gotta go buy them clothes nails, hair so what made me realize that my first hole I dropped her off on

International East 14 then she was from Frisco and so I sat her down it wasn't 30 minutes went by she like called me like hey I need you come give me this big buff nigga about to throw me in the van right

so I pull up I'm Lexes big rims with the pistol out. Hey, what's happening, bro? What's you doing my hoe, man? He said, hey, nigga, the bitch got caught slipping. She was reckless eye bawler. You know what I'm saying? And I say, bro, unhance my

hoe, bro. He's like, nigga, he says something, and I'm like, nigga, this song, cool me, nigga. Release my bitch, nigga. He said, all right, this time, but, nigga, next time the bitch has had. And, man, right then I flashed on shooting them.

and I'm like, damn, here it is, I'm about to possibly kill this man for this bro who go be back home in anyway if I'm in prison doing the hell, and I don't even know this bro. Pimping this for suckers. Right. And I mean, all these girls are just going to tell on you in the end anyway, right? You don't know if they tucking? I did it for two years, bro. You don't know if they tuck in money what they do.

Right. So as soon as they get tired of your ass, oh, he's. Be be you doing the hell. I got partners doing life. You ever feel like you made good money during that time period or was it always fucked up? Man, I told all my whole skedado and went to start cutting hair making a thousand a week. Cutting hair and selling E. Really?

You got homies who have life over prostitution cases? Fuck him. Wow. What's that website Maroy had that died? He used to do all the pimp videos. No. No. I'm going to think of it.

Maroy, if you look on, if you Google his name and the pop of all of PIPP. So anyway, he used to do all the interviews in Vegas with all those guys that was getting life. Okay. Oh, man, I got partners in Oakland, Ails. Life without some shit for Pippen. That's crazy.

Yeah. They really wanted to shut that shit down. Yeah, but someone was doing stupid stuff, you know, beating abroad or something like that. But Pimping is stupid. It all gets lumped in with the human trafficking shit. So it's like if you're just like pimping a couple girls, it's like you're going to get lumped in with these dudes who are shipping a fucking box container with 100 girls from China and like turning them into sex slaves and all this kind of shit, you know. Well, I've been watching some stuff lately.

What's that channel name? Yeah, belly white, white belly. Oh, the soft white underbelly. So I'll be watching his little thing with the guys, whatever. they just, they evidently are professional pips. But, you know, most of them been to prison or whatever, but there ain't no money in that shit, bro. Isn't that shit crazy?

Because when I watch Softwet Underbelly, it's like, these are all the people that I walk by on the street and I don't really want to talk to you or nothing. Like, these are the people, like, sitting down doing an interview that are the most lost and the most fucked up in society when you're walking on the street and some hooker tries to holler at you and you keep on walking. Exactly. That's who they have on there. It's pretty wild.

Where it is. He came up with a great idea to do that. But yeah, I watched them guys and, man, they, they ain't doing it. I got some pit partners there. Bro, those crumbs. Like for me, I had a minimum 500 a night for the bras. At one time, at the most, I had five bras.

2,500, right, with a headache. I stayed with a headache. Like, you just got to talk. So that got me prepared for L.A. and acting. I had to talk a lot, and I wasn't that type of guy. And so you figure, $2,500, you got to get all in the room, you got to get their nails done, hair, food, all that. Bro, you'd be lucky to end up with $500.

Where we're at right now in your life? Don't you look at, like, a girl taking five different dicks in her for $500 on a night, and you're like, God damn. That's tough, man. Oh, well, they nymphos. No, all of nifos. Oh, all of them, real, all of them nifos. You got to be a nifos to be in that game.

That's probably a lot of truth of that. So, okay, you get a lot, did you actually, you just stopped doing that and you became a barber? So, no, so I caught a couple of both cases. So my last case was a high-speed chase. Oh, man. I had a pistol in the car and heroin. I was trying to move some heroin. You know what I'm doing?

and they said the big money was in there. So I jinxed myself too. A week before that, I'm like, if the police, you know what I mean, niggins is on, we're right? So I was into Lexus. So I got set up, though. I had this one of my gang associates with me. And so I caught four cases with the same police.

And so I ended up having a lawsuit on OPD, whatever. But anyway, so I got in a high. high-speed chase got away, got out the car, but I couldn't get the pistol. So, and the guy,

the police knew was me, we eyeballed each other, pass by, he knew, I was operopor, probation, everything. So they let me just

chill for three months. I put the car up in storage, and this is how I'm telling people, they got tracking devices on your ass. So I told my mother,

I'm about to get their car at the storage. She said, boy, leave that car alone. I said, no, I'm getting it. Got that car, got the detail washed up. My boy's sister was about to buy it. I'm like, nah, I love this.

It was an LS 400 old 24-inch rims back at 0-304. So as soon as I drive that fucking Lexus, the whole Oakland police force get on me. Wow. Yeah, and charged me with that high-speed

chase of the pistol. So I end doing 16 months off that. So after that, I got out, became a barber, moved, some shit went down, and I got back violent in violent mode, and ended up moving to L.A. in 2010. Okay. And so.

And was fitness always still a huge part of your life this whole time? So that's the weird thing. Going through all this, bro, I used to pop pills from Thursday. Thursday to Sunday. Oh, wow. Just wild, right? I mean, I was wild.

Every day at 10, I went to the gym. Really? Didn't know why. Some guys just got it in them. Like, some guys, they just, that's who they are. Right. It's like, when I look back on it, I'm like, God had all this plan.

Why would, that's weird. I'm talking about it. I'm pimping all night, popping pills. But I'm like, oh, shit, it's 10 o'clock. I used to take the whole. holds with me and everything. I got to go to the gym, man. I don't care.

I could be hung over. I remember one time I was doing leg press, threw up everywhere, still high, and that was weird. What do you think you love about it so much? Me? What is it about lifting that makes you just really back committed to it?

If anybody in this world go to a casino and hit for $10,000 they first time on the crap table, they're going to be hooked. Right. My first 90 days, now that I look like a fucking body better. You got the genetics out of the ass, huh?

But I read a magazine where Arnold said, you got to eat 6,000 calories. And so, this is the story with that. My uncle was buff. I seen that a man was supposed to be buff as a kid. Started playing sports. I was

too small. So my ninth grade year playing football at Castlemont, I rode the bench. So this fucking anger just got in me, man. And I'm like, I'm going to show these motherfuckers next season. So I read that magazine. Arnold said he 6,000 calories, do 10 to 12 reps.

I came back to my 10th grade year, 140 pounds. I was 99 when I started smacking everybody. I was out of my mind. They were like, what happened to you in that time period? They put me on varsity. So I was cornerback on varsity all league. like I was everything after that but in the meantime of that I started

getting migraines real bad and people don't know this about me I used to get migraines like two to three times a week but my migraines was like strokes like one side of my body would go numb I lose my vision just

a host of stuff would happen in the time period of an hour and so I went and got cat scans all that they couldn't didn't figure it out. So what I end up year, that lasted for like 20 something years. And so what happened, what I figured out was now I'm cured of it. I don't get them no more.

I used to get allergies. But in the midst of me getting allergies, like I was a maniac working out. Like, blah, you just cram every fucking day. So in the midst of me having an allergy, you know, sinus or whatever it was, I would work out like crazy to get it. and it would take for me to throw up I would throw up every day and so so I think it was just me having allergies but work out like crazy I wasn't supposed to go that hard you know what I mean and so yeah that transpired bro

shit I was 30 something right well but you just fell in love with the fact that because you know for a lot of people they'll go work out even if they work out five days a week for a few months you know you might feel your chest feels a little bit more poked out but i mean with you you saw crazy results and that just got you addicted to it so what happened with me but it was that fire them not letting me play football so i read the magazine arnold said he ate six thousand calories did that i force i hate food i don't like food now people think i do i just do muck bags and shit for videos but if i didn't have to eat i wouldn't right so so uh force fed myself i used

to be gagging. I came back, swole in 90 days. This motherfucker's like you. And this one, Ben Johnson, the track started. This one, Roy's first,

just talks of Roy's started coming out. They started calling me that in the neighborhood. Boy, you on that Ben Johnson. Right, I didn't know what the fuck.

I didn't know what Roy's was. I was 34 years old. And so, you never fucking touched steroids until you were 34? Yeah. So like 10 years ago? Well,

I didn't know what it was. I remember I knocked the motherfucker out. I was fresh out of prison. Like the second day out, I was at a gas station. Dude, damn, boy, you're on the road? I knocked them out. For saying to you. Yeah, because in the pen and shit, you bet not say that to a motherfucker.

Right. You know, they get real angry. I mean, you ever heard that someone having steroids in prison? Yeah. Really? That happens to. After, when I was at Tahatchery, I told the story on my life story. some of the guys was getting like D-ball and shit like that.

Right. But I got approached with it once. And like I said, I was ready to knock him out. Really? Like, me, what? I'm swaller than you eating top ramen? What the fuck I need to pay? And they was, I mean, the prices was outrageous.

Right. Like for one D-ball, he wanted like a case of top ramen or something. Like, you better get the fuck out of my face with that, boy. I'm the swallest thing, California Pino system. No, but is it hard to power? on size when you're locked up because you're eating fucking ramen and cans of tuna fish and shit. You gotta think niggins sleeping 12 hours a day eating all those high sodium, high sugar carbs. That's got to be the weirdest thing about being locked up is that it's terrible, but, you know,

in a way it's got to be kind of relaxing because like you're saying, you get to sleep a lot, you get to sort of like sit around, read a book for a few hours, all these things that you just don't get to live this slow way of life if you're like in any way, motivated on the outside. So that's why I was a recidivist. I felt more powerful, less stressed than prison. That's why I didn't mind going back. That's why dudes be recidivist. Now, if you, you know, if you are rad, if you are in a gang that there's a lot of violence, you'd less likely want to go back. Texas prisons, oh, they got them in 120 degree weather. Like, if you go back to that, you're a damn idiot. You know what I mean?

But in California prison, for me, it was fun. Right. It wasn't fun the last time I went back. I was angry, real violent, because I had lived good and had to go back amongst dope heads. So, okay, that happens after you moved to L.A. and start trying to... No, no, no. I never

went back after L.A. Oh, okay. That was right before I came to L.A. Since I've been in L.A., it's been, you know, nothing but positivity and good. So you moved out... And during all that, I remember you talking in a video saying that at one time you wanted to be a professional bodybuilding, you

did some shows around you. What year was that? So that's why I moved to L.A. Oh, okay. I had started doing shows in 2009 right before I moved L.A. And first show I won. I had a 30 motherfuckusk.

And so I'm like, damn, I could do this shit. And that got you your pro card? No, no. I never got my pro card. So I was 34 at that point And so I won that show I'm like oh this might be some money to be made I thought it was money in bodybuilding

It's only really money if you're like the number one guys right So I was wealthy from selling X I used to ship Exacy to Denver For two years Right So I was making like 10 grand a week And something like that shipping E Wow

So I'm like damn I got all this money Let me try this bodybuilding shit I knew it cost it to you know get involved in it. And so, boom, one, my first show. After that, I think I moved to L.A. I won the Orange County class. I think after that I moved to L.A.

Like, I'm going to be a pro-bodybuilder. And this is around the time that you first started fucking with steroids? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh-huh. That's when I first learned about it. Right.

And so I'm like, shit, I got what it take. So I kept doing these shows and winning them. And so I couldn't win a national. show though because I couldn't swell up my lays how they wanted me to it's certain drugs you got to take to swell up your lays like that right and at the time

I didn't have access to it or know nobody to have access to it and so I kept doing the shows trying to swell up my legs thinking I posted squat 600 pounds and that ain't even it you know what I mean motherfahs they don't even know bro

that they did it I didn't know as you got deeper into that shit where you just like kind of horrified by the amount of drugs and all the insane shit that these dudes are doing? Yeah, so let me tell you. So I did my last show in 2014, I want to say. Yeah, I won a West Coast Classic. First place overall. So I got at some coaches.

This is my first time inquiring or getting at coaches. I'm like, bro, I want to go pro now. I did 14 shows. I think it's time. I was famous, Doe at the time. And they're like, yeah. They sent me over a fucking list. Get the fuck out of here, bro.

It was insane. I like riding venses. I like living good. I'm not poking by fucking self. Every day, three, four times. Get the fuck out of here. They're on the insulin and shit, right? Oh, that's the next level.

Yeah. Yeah, that's like the next level. Yeah, I tried that shit and almost die. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, man. That's so crazy. Wow.

Wow. So, yeah, I mean, did you end up just being left with a, because a lot of those guys, let's be honest, or I assume, a lot of those guys are kind of like pretty boy weirdo types, and you've like been through so much in your life that it's like you just are going to be looking at this shit in a different light.

So let me say this, and I was telling my business partner Miles, if 10th place could get a million, first place could get 10 million, I would still do that shit. Right. Ain't no money. Bro, I remember what the goals vitt is. What are the top people that I'll,

you know, like, damn, he's swore. He's on Olympia State driving a bucket. I come from Oakland with 12, 13-year-olds driving benz. And you're telling me this grown-ass man in a fucking fiat or a Honda. Who looks like a fucking Greek god. He's walking around carrying himself like he's the coolest shit in the world. Exactly. But around, butt sticking out and shit like driving a bucket.

Nidget, no, no. When I seen it wasn't no money, I was like, okay. At that time, though, social media was on fire. Did you think that if you really went for it, that you could have been like one of the top bodybuilders if you had really gone for it? Did you feel like you had the genetics and if you were willing to do all the drugs?

Yeah, if I was willing to, the drug part is the main part. If I was willing to pump myself every day, yeah, I would have had it. Because a good example of me is Brandon Curry. He won a Mr. Olympia two years ago. But he had the same problem I was having was swelling up his legs. Right. But he got with the right motherfuckers, swell the motherfuckers up. I remember when I first got into like learning about bodybuilding culture, like when I first started lifting weights in like 2003.

And then I started to really, I was reading the get big forums at that time. Me too. And I remember just real like seeing all these grown men just argue about the detail in a guy. his ass, like how much veins and stretch with it? And everything that you could see in just the ass. And like, oh, he's never going to be great because his ass isn't striated enough or whatever. And just being like, weird. What the fuck is this world?

Well, it's weird. And that's why I make fun of it in my videos and stuff nowadays. Because it's just, once I saw it wasn't no money involved, it's like, it's weird now. It's purplous. But I think you had the genius observation, which was like, There's still a role for a guy who's a big motherfucker. It's just like why put myself in the world of all these other big motherfuckers? No, I'm going to be the dude who goes out and does stuff and manages to get people to pay attention to them using that work.

Like Arnold did. Like Arnold did. And that's what I never forget. I talked to Arnold that goes Venice. And he was like, he talked to me for 30 minutes. Really? He's like, I love what you doing. I see all the haters.

Don't worry. Keep doing your thing. and because I, bro, I had did 20 national commercials. I was like, bodybuilders have been in L.A. long before B. And they wasn't booking shit. And why do you think you were able to be successful in that regard? I came in with that charisma personality. I never forget my first acting class, Daphne Kirby, commercial coach, acting coach.

I came in. I was still rough around the edges. I had just moved L.A. I had been in some shootouts before I was rough. Brow the S. She said, I got it. When you come in the room, you be like, hey, guys, I'm Collie Muscle. Anybody allergic to muscle?

So every audition I went in, that was my opening line. Right. Booked it. Wow. That's amazing. Hollywood, they just want to know if you're cool to work with. So when people be like, when they be fucking glorifying actors, he ain't know. They just like him.

Like, you know what I mean? people trying to put, I seen when all the stuff was going on in the world, people was expecting the actors and stuff to, it's a regular motherfucker went for a role. Like, y'all putting all this pressure all these people.

And there's 20 other dudes who might look kind of like you and they're kind of big like you and it's like what what's going to make you stand out? It's personality. And not only that, my advantage was I stay shredded and cut all the time.

Those guys come and puffy, hello, I'm glad, you know, just, just hella, like, you know, robotish. I come in and make everybody laugh. But that comes from my, you know, me being a kid, I was a class clown and funny, and just, when you don't, I don't care about making myself look stupid or crazy in my videos show that.

So you booked the whole shitload of different jobs and everything. I was killing it. That was probably going great, but when did you really start to feel like you went viral? When that life story came out, Monster, the Collie Muscle story came out. So I didn't want to do it. Dude was contacting me for two years. I'm like, I just made half a million doing commercials. I'm not about to scare any of the white people and telling my story.

So you were kind of scared to tell them the real story. Oh, okay. I'm thinking of you got to just sell that shit back to them. No, I was scared, right? And so what happened was acting got slow. I didn't go in the audition for like a month or two. So dude called me in the midst of that. Like, Collie, I'm telling you, let's do this life story.

I'm like, I prayed on it, bro. I was like, fuck it, let's do it. And I'm thinking, okay, it'll get 100,000 views or something, bro. And one day, that shit was like 2 million views. Wow. And YouTube, that's what I tell people. all these platforms make who they want famous to be famous. It's true.

They put that fucking story on the, back then it was the front page. It's like trending now, but it was bigger back there. It was like Instagram when they had, remember they had the, when shit go viral, what was they called, that page?

Oh, the export page? Yeah, but it was called something else. The popular page? So YouTube had that. So as you log on, boom, my shit was right there well they made me bro right well and so then you're like

fuck it I'm gonna start a YouTube channel no I already had it oh okay so I already had a couple of viral videos doing muscle ups talking crazy okay yeah so so when that life story came out of rash shot he is genius bro and he was like we gotta do another video a workout video right after that so I did a viral video I was all slowed up

talking bad shit throwing weights around and it just shocked the world. But yeah. Did muscle up video. They hadn't seen nobody my size doing that. So I just kept banging out viral videos. And so, and at the same time

I had like four national commercials out. Right. The Geico, the Taco Bell, Snicker. I had all those. Everything hit at once. Wow. Yeah. That's pretty good. So what happened was, though, I wasn't used to trolls. some motherfahs came on and said I did gay porn

oh yeah so I'm like oh and so what happened it wasn't just them saying it they went on old Navy YouTube channel had left the car bit oh yeah old Navy they called my agent they said if he did gay porn and in his contract said he didn't do no port or graph we're going to sue his ass

bro, I got scared to death and I didn't do it you know what I mean but I'm like damn a motherfucker to leave one comment people run with it I can't believe when you do an old Navy campaign

that you have to sign a contract that says you've never done porn which I guess makes sense but I guess that's why I never got an old Navy deal so yeah so right then I'm like I better write my book

because they're going to go deeper and see prison and robbery all this bad stuff so I wrote my book and got a publisher which I now I self-published but I got a publisher to pick it up and I did my book right like immediately do the best of that stuff really yeah because you just wanted to be the one to tell your story exactly yeah because that was scary bro well and when I did that commercial I got

the most paranoid in my life really just because of those comments and shit no just because you know I did some stuff where I'm like to even motherfuckers have an idea, you know what I mean? It could come back on me. Right. So, yeah, I was scared, bro. Because I never took pictures or videos. And I came from that culture where we didn't take pictures or videos.

I probably only got three pictures of me. It was a teenager. I got a couple pictures in prison. Like, I don't have many pictures of me young. My whole high school career, I got like five fucking random photos laying around. It's like, there's whole periods of my. life that I couldn't like prove to somebody that I existed during that time. Yeah.

It's all in my memory. Same here. I just found after Fort, wait, 36 years, because people used to think I was Bush and I say I played for Fresno State. Right. So I finally came across the roster on the internet on Google that solidifies that I played for. Right.

Yeah. Damn, crazy. So how would you, yeah, so like with the YouTube thing. Like, what was your process in terms of how you started doing the videos? Because it feels like your YouTube channel has been through so many different phases and different periods. And in the beginning, it was like you were going viral for doing like, you know, the prison workout meals. And it felt like more fake then, too, because you clearly like rented a fake jail cell to film that prison meal. You know that was YouTube space.

Really? That's where there was. Yeah, that was YouTube space. Okay. Yeah. So I had a good guy. rash at the time that did the documentary. So he was a,

I told Miles, he was before his time. Okay. But he just couldn't, like, so he started CT Fletcher's as well. Okay. He did his first video. He did my. I've seen y'all working on Compton and shit. That was some other classic content. No, that was the most

memorable workout ever. A lot of stuff happened that day. Oh, really? Got political? Yeah. No, no, it was fun, but a lot of incidents. But, um, so he, a rash, stayed on it. He had the mind like, oh, let's go do this video. Let's go do that. But what happened was

he got slow. You know what I mean? Like he, I'm like, come on, bro, we got to need a video. His mind just wandered off. So I'm like, fuck that. I learned how, I learned all about YouTube space. I learned about cameras, how to film, how to

edit. So bro, he fell off. I started putting up a tripod myself. I like the fact that you quite clearly took the same energy that you had for dope dealing and drug trafficking and pimping and all this stuff and just took that same exact thing with YouTube like it's the same thing it's a hustle you got to figure out every little piece of it to make your hustle better yeah well and so that's what I did so the fitness stuff was hitting for a couple of years

because I've been on YouTube now 12 years right so it's like you have to go through these changes people just aren't going to want to see the same thing over and over exactly and that's as you see, damn there, everybody that was there fell off. It's because they didn't learn

the transition. So it happened to me, the fitness stuff was hidden. Then I'm like, damn, it started dipping.

The views, right? I'm like, damn, gaming came along. I'm like, hmm, I haven't played a game in 25 years,

but I see this motherfucker, a doctor, disrespect, just made this much money. Let me go buy PlayStation.

So I bought the whole setup, start streaming. So I got the younger a younger crowd, fan base. And I, oh, it was streaming just allowed me to be wild, just reckless, say all

type of bizarre stuff. And I was making like a thousand dollars a day just in donations. Wow, really? Yeah. So I'm like, shoot, I kept doing that for like four years. And I'll do a workout here and there, whatever. And so

that start dipping. Because I was on Twitch and YouTube. And so what happened is Facebook, a lot of people don't know, bro. So most of my income now is from Facebook. Really? 99% of the world don't even know what's going on. I know. Isn't it crazy?

I hear about that from people. For us, it's like impossible to stay monetized on there. They just take it away all the fucking time for some reason. But that's crazy that that's where all your money comes from. Yeah. Majority over is from Facebook. and so what happened was I started posting my old videos on Facebook once they sent out that email like a couple of years.

It's been two, three years ago. Right. I was going viral on Facebook. I'm talking about YouTube was like, and people, they tried to clown me when I said, but it was like gas money compared to Facebook. And I never forget, the first time I heard it was from Waka Flaka. And this was like five years before mine got monetized. Walker Flogger said most of his money was coming from Facebook.

Five years before mine got monetized. I'm like, what? What the hell that thing in time? Ain't no Facebook monetize. Right. And so, yeah, so I started banging out. Because my youth, when the Amageddon hit, at first I was like, oh, this bullshit. That shit dipped on YouTube.

And so my Facebook at the time blew up. And so, yeah, and so I started a stream. So what happened was when me and him got together, like, last year or whatever, like, it just, everything got unbelievable, me posting every day. Right. But in the meantime, so I started off, I did some workout videos, but I'm like, huh, let's try this muckbang shit. Right.

Right. I was wondering that, like, when your channel sort of shifts into trying all these different trends and stuff, is it usually you coming up with the idea? Or do you have anyone on your team who's kind of like, hey, Cali, you should start doing these types of things? So before last year, you know my team? Your team? Me.

Okay. It's all it was, me. Right. He just, since, he used to film for me seven years ago. We split up. I moved to Vegas, whatnot. Everything was me, bro. Putting up my tripod, filming myself, editing, everything was me.

until he came along, yeah. And so, but with the muck bans, we're like, let's try it. Let me eat on camera. Right. Boom, blew up super viral. What? They like a motherfucker eating on camera? Yesterday, I'm going to tell you what I ate yesterday.

It's the same thing I eat most days. I woke up, I ate three eggs and three sauces of bacon, then drink coffee. I had a salad. Then I was getting ready for your interview and I watched you eat fucking papas while doing ASMR and I got my house on postmates I ordered Popeyes so thank you for that. Hell yeah, I'm a good advertising. Extra 1,000 calories right there. Sign a real nigga up.

Thousand calories I did not have to eat there. I didn't get the apple pie though. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Popeye started messing up my stomach. But yeah, so with me, like I say, I'm not a foodie. So that was, it's more just entertainment. You know what I mean? And it hit, bro.

Especially on Facebook. Oh, man. I got videos, 20 million views. I'm like, people like watching the motherfucker eat on cabaret. Fuck it. Let's do it. You know, and then lately what happened was the cars. I noticed that.

So, you know, me growing up, I had nice car here and there, whatever, rins, music. So me and him was messing around, and I'm like, let's go to Dodge, bro. Let's see what the hype is about this hail cat or whatever. So we went, dude, hyped it up And whatever You kind of made me want to hook out too Oh, you need one Yeah

It's life, bro I need a garage Well, it's life Yeah I got three now Yeah So, so we went to Dodge And the dude hyped it up

So I got one, got in it Whatever bought it My fucking fan I got a whole other fan base Just all the car people I've been seeing car shit Tall guy

All these dude do do car I wouldn't tripping all that shit Right And once I got to it, it blew up. I'm like, what the fuck? And so I didn't even, people think I've been faking buying these cars. Right. So what happened, we bought that.

I went to another lot. All this was just not playing, just me messing around. Uh-huh. And I go to another car lot. Damn, that's tight. Let's see if I could get it. We go in the finance office. You approved.

I'm like, what? Oh, shit. So you've actually been buying all these cars? Yeah. Really? And so we go to another one. We go, I think he go get his and I'm, his go viral. I'm like, shit.

I go another lot, get a GT 500. Zero down, boy. That's what I want. What is mine? Oh, shit. So what, you just have like these insane monthly payments now or you just have to be paying all the shit off? A couple of them. Like the GT 63 and, but the other ones, no.

But how many cars do you have at this point? Seven. I mean, that's a lot of cars. Bro, when I look at like, it's a couple of other YouTubers, that ain't shit. Right. I got to catch up to there. It just seems kind of overwhelming to have that many fucking cars. For content is not.

For content, I could see it. Right. For content, it's paying for itself. But it's like a $200,000 car is a pretty big investment for your content. Well, all of mine are 100. Okay. Yeah, yeah, they're 100. Well, that Google that you were thinking about it.

Right, that's 200. That would be 200. But it all, you know, us as content creators, whatever, like I did the math and all that stuff. And Facebook is like, bro, I could, two, three months. Just, I won't even have notes on those motherfuckers off from Facebook. We got to figure our Facebook shit out, man. What the fuck. That's insane.

Well, so, yeah, it's awesome. It's working out and the car shit on. But now we're doing vloggy. but we always add in car stuff. Then, of course, I got my supplement line. Yeah, how is that? Because it seems like it's pretty big. Every month, boom, boom, boom.

Just going crazy. Since I moved back to L.A. Is it mostly direct or do it through supplement stores and stuff? No, direct. Direct. Supplement stores, they want a piece. And then, so now I got something for you, too. I brought something for you.

We coming out with a gum. Really? Me, Big Boy, and my two other business part, Desco just, you think I'm buying cars now. That's going to have a motherfucker go crazy. That's dope. Yeah, it's a new tropic gum with cafe. Oh, okay.

Yeah, have you in here your own one. I'm like, what are we doing next? That's dope. Are you, like, how would you describe your motivation? Like, it feels like you've accomplished so much in this world and been doing it for such a long time, and a lot of YouTubers get burnt out at some point. Like, they make a good amount of money year after year.

They're just doing it and at some point they just, they get sick of it and they can't keep going. With you, it feels more like you've been so used to hustling in so many different ways. You just look at YouTube and all this. Like, it's just a lick waiting to be hit. So for me, I'm nowhere near what I want to be. So you figure, my numbers this year, bro, you got kids. That's why I can't wait for my kids start talking. Vlad and Nikki, make 10 million a month off YouTube.

Really? 10 million. all they do is unbox toys. That's the plan? So my goal is I want to make a minimum of $100,000 off YouTube, $100,000 off Facebook.

So you know Instagram monetized, don't you? Now you can do IGTV, yeah. Right. So that's why I just started posting. So if I get $100,000 off those every month, that's $300,000, not counted by something. I want to make a meal a month starting 20-22.

That would be nice. Yeah. But that's only, that's the bottom of the totem pole. My kids start talking. Me and his focus is the kid channel. 10 million a month. YouTube Kids app is a huge. If you can get your shit cracking on the kids app, you're in.

Yeah. So that's our, like we just holding on to these motherfuckers start talking. I hear that. Yeah, that's the plan. But, you know, we got all the merch and the subs or the gum coming out. That's going to be huge. There's just certain things that people love so much that they just operate differently on YouTube, like the cars or babies. Right.

Or a hot girl. Yeah. You know, there's just certain things that just drop people. Girls still on YouTube? I thought they shut girls down. You just have to be very careful about how you present them in the thumbnail. I remember back in the day, you used to be able to put a big ass with like tiny little shorts in the thumbnail. Boom, you get two million views, no problem.

It's a little different now. Oh, yeah, they let little Nizex ride the devil, though. You didn't like that? Huh? You didn't like that? His fan-based kids. Like, that's the, bro. But I can't cuss.

Like, we got to censor me cussing. We beep out all cussing and all that down. I think that was Lil Nasek saying, like, actually, I don't want to be a kid's artist. I want to be a gay. Well, yeah, that's right. I saw the interview. But so that's like me. I know my demographic.

Right. Just doing some outland. Like, and they allow it. That's the thing. You know what I mean? No, YouTube's all over his dick. Well, yeah. It's weird.

But, you know, they was on James Charles, too. And then they demonetize his ass. Hmm. It's, it's, is it almost. It's kind of weird to you that you even know about James Charles. There's like a 20-year-old makeup influencer. I know all about him too. I just think it's kind of funny that we're both YouTubers

so we know about this whole lot. No, I'm a student to the game. PewDie Pye was my teacher. Really? I used to watch his channel. Like, oh, that's how he do his thumbnails. That's how he do his titles. Like, bro, like, I'm just different.

I study. Whatever game I'm in, I study it. And I observe, I got to know what's going. going on. So I never forget the OG when I was in the cell with him, that was a pimp. He said, bro, you read that fucking newspaper from page to page, word

to word, no matter what it is. You got to know the world around you. The more you know about the world around you, the better you'll be able to spot the opportunities. Exactly. And he said, teach your holes to do that too. When they're in Vegas, when they can talk with businessman, construction workers, whatever.

And I just lived by that. I want to So I grew up as a kid wanting to be smarter, stronger, more handsome, more richer than everybody. As a baby, that's how my mind had to work. I have a friend Kiki, who I do live streams with, and he is a big-ass dude from Compton, did time, Ben and Gangs, all that shit. And I've been telling him, like, we were stuck in traffic the other day because I had to go to court and I made him fucking be my little security so I didn't get murked outside of the Compton Courthouse. And I'm telling him afterwards, I'm like, I didn't mention you, but I started telling him, I'm like, bro, there's all these prison YouTubers now.

I'm like, you, just because you grew up in the streets and this gang shit, and then you did prison time and the fact that you have a good personality, you can be one of these dudes. And I can help you. I can put you with other creators, people who are going to interview you, et cetera. You just got to get used to putting your personality on camera and giving them a piece of you in every video. Yeah. What would be your advice to, like, a person who's in that position, where you're in that position, He's lived this very real life. And I'm trying to tell him.

I'm saying, listen, like, you grew up in a fucked up situation. You got to sell this shit right back to those crackers right now. That's what this game is about. You got to take your trauma and explain it to the world in a way that they can understand and digest. So, like, my boy, fresh out. He got the YouTube channel fresh out. I was his first video on his channel went viral. He did Fed Time, end up doing...

and all that stuff. But you got to want it, bro. Like, you're trying to get them a channel? I'm just telling him, I'm like, I'm going to help you start a channel. I'm going to help you get your videos going. Yeah, because I see them on your live streams and stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah, he just, he got to want it.

Like, you can't force nobody to be someday. Were you ever awkward your first time getting on camera? Was it weird for you to get into the mentality of like, I'm going to sit here in front of the camera alone? And make this video. So my high school friends had to remind me, you was doing all those fucking drama skits in fucking high school. Right.

Because I tried to, oh, I don't know when I got like this. Tell, bro, you was in fucking 12th grade doing whole skits in front of the whole school. You were always that dude. Always. Since I was a kid, I was a comedian class clown getting suspended and all that. But it got stunned in the environment. Oh, when you're quiet, people fear silence. And I read all those fucking war books and you know what I'm saying?

Where I became, I felt I was more powerful with being quiet. So when I got to L.A., this is God honest truth. As we was driving in to L.A. with the U-Ha, when I seen entering L.A., it was like a demon just rose from it. And I'm like, damn. I didn't know what it was at the time. then I just became who I am now. As soon as I left that environment in Oakland,

I'm with two guns, bulletproof ass, just to protect the family if we came down to it, just mugging all the time. If you go to Oakland, go to Oakland out there, everybody, you'd be like, what the fuck going on? Everybody just little swivel. And so that's how I was. As soon as I got to L.A., I was like, shit,

I could be the old me again. But do you feel... Even though I'm back on swivel now. Really? Why are you on swivel now? This car should take shit to another level. Well, people coming for you or thinking they could take something from you? Yeah, we've been in a lot of situations lately.

Really? Yeah, especially because of cars and I had two road rage situations where I almost wasn't here today. Where you flipped out on somebody? So they flip out, but I flip. You flip a little harder, yeah. So I had that situation. So it just been a lot of situations. That's what made me really go get my trust.

Right. To stop, you know, in case something happening, my kids be okay. Yeah, and I try to be out less as possible. We work from like around 10 to 5 at a dealership, getting a mod done to a car, eating just, you know, we try to stay in suburban places or whatever. And, yeah, just a devil. I've been, you know, testing, man.

And you can see in some of my videos. They call me the knife man now. Say I pulled the knife up. I saw that. The guy outside the... He goes, I have a big Instagram following just like you. Come to find out, he's in the circle. Right.

So he knew what was going on. Right. But for me, at that time, of course, I saw him. I could have let it go. But I'm like, in my mind, I'm always thinking viral video now. Well, shit, this could be a viral video. But that could lead you to some weird conclusions. Oh, without a doubt.

Because then you start doing goofy-ass shit. You started making fake beef once you're really looking for views. No, nothing was that with it was fake. I know, but I mean, if you were just always thinking, oh, I'm going to make this into a viral video, then that kind of could encourage you to do weird shit and do goofy-ass shit that you might not really respect. I see it happening to people all the time. Well, so with me, it's just stuff like that. like another situation was dude at Venice Beach.

A black dude going crazy and that could have been bad as well. It just, so I'm this type person. I'm minding my business, bro. If you get my business, if you get murked, that was on you. I don't feel I won't lose sleep at night. You never thought about moving around with security. I know it's kind of ironic the idea that someone could be like more intimidating than you. Not at this point.

No, I don't feel. So it's funny you say that because I always. always talk about like the rock, Kevin Hart the life they live is shitty bro. They do. Yeah, I kind of agree with that because you can't do nothing. You're living in a prison. Yeah, you can't

do it. I don't want to, and I keep saying it, but God keep elevate me. I'm like, I'm cool where I'm at, this position. And I just keep going, getting bored everywhere we go. I got tape here and all this. And it's like, I don't want to get to that point, man. I want to live.

and be, you know, cool. Like, could drive around. There's an old last video of you working out on the beach in Venice, and it's like somebody's filming you from really far away, and they did like 60 million years, yeah. And the craziest thing about that clip to me is just seeing, like, a lot of people don't know what it's like to be famous and what it's like to like, oh, you do your little set of dips,

and then you have to take 15 fucking photos right there on the beach. Yeah. It's like, for a lot of people, they might not realize, like, oh, shit, he just had to spend like 10 minutes taking all these. Oh, that was crazy. Yeah. So I got traumatized as a kid from, he played for the Warriors, Mitch Richmond. Right.

Me and my two best friends, we went up to him. He was eating or whatever. And I was like, can we get a picture? He's like, bro, you don't fucking see me with my fucking family? Yeah. So I said I wouldn't. So, you know, in Oakland, we, Oakland dudes hate celebrities anyway. Rob, you know, you're in town and shit.

So I was one of those guys. So when I got known, I was like, I'm never denying nobody a pitcher. Never, to this day, I haven't denied nobody a pitcher. Really? Well, I could be in the airport, my plane late. They like, hey, Khali, I'm like, run with me. Run with me. My plane late.

But when you're eating, it can be pretty rough, huh? No, I don't deny nobody. You don't give a shit. For me, if I'm, like, eating a steak, there's just something like, I don't want to fucking pose right now. Well, see, you got to remember I'm not supposed to be here. Yeah. So I can't take that for granted.

And that could be, that pitcher can lead, man, Colleen Mussel took a picture with me. It could lead to a sale of pre-workout or, you know, anything. Yeah. Well, so I'll never deny nobody. I respect it. Uh-huh. Yeah, so what are you working on in terms of like bigger things or where do you, where could you see yourself going? I'm sure that there's got to be some stuff floating around in your head of like, oh, I could take this to a different level, right?

Yeah, superhero. And I'll be, you know, right now I got a show in the making. It's called Commissary Kitchen. They've been in the works for three years. It's almost closed. And so that, the cooking show, it's to help people that have been down and out or whatever. Right. But they got good cooking skills.

So that show, superhero, of course. That's my ultimate goal. To be a villain, super, I don't give a fuck. So Marvell, D.C., y'all see this? This is y'all know, man. And then we got the kid channel we about to have. And, man, from there, everything else is already in motion. Supplements, gub, everything is in motion.

I just feel they need a real villain or superhero. A real one, you know what I mean? Like all these other do, okay, he'll act there, but get some real moments that's been living it. I love to, I ain't go lie, I'd rather play a villain. Them superhero. I could see, I don't know, I could see you with villain energy. Well, yeah. And it's funny, so before I got, came back to LA a year ago, I was kind of swalled up.

I looked at my face, like, nah, I need to trim up and get them cheek balls showing. That's the flex. Yeah, get that villain look. Yeah. When you look in the mirror and you just see your cheeks sunken in and that's kind of like, hmm. Yeah. But some could go too far. Oh, yeah.

You know. Yeah. I don't know what happened to my boy. What's a soldier boy? I saw him on there. I'm like, what happened to my boy? You need to eat some more? Looking sick and something.

A lot of these rappers need to eat some more. Well, that's, like I said in the video, eat, they eat dope. Yeah. They're eating pills. They don't eat food. They eat dope. You're totally sober? Hell, this.

Besides that. Yeah, this is my dope. No, I used to sell it. I'm an advocate against it. Okay. I used to sell it. I know it's in it. You don't.

think it's a good idea to smoke weed. No, I'm advocate against it. Really? I used to, so I had the first seller's license from Oakster down. Uh-huh. And so, you know me, I was slanging pounds, bro, but when I used to come

out of that fucking organic at the store, I come out with chemicals, buckets of chemicals. So it's the same shit used with meth down there. Yeah. We're putting in the hydroponics fucking. It's the same shit. I'm sold.

Fuck weed. He was an African smoker. He'd been he stopped for a while. Really? Yeah. That's dope. And it's like we high every day. So I ain't going to lie. Me, with my ecstasy experience, whatever,

like it just now feels like I'm high all the time. And I'll be like damn, is it because I used to use back there or not? Am I just getting old and C down? When I look back at my day is doing ecstasy, I definitely do not miss that. Me neither.

Way too much. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, because I would lose like 15 pounds every, because I would use it Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, lose 15 pounds and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I gained it back. It was weird. Then I started getting this electric current thing in my head after a while.

And I only use it maybe that time frame a year and a half. Right. But I just get an electric current like, like I'd just be sitting down and just an electric thing go through my head. That's what they used to always say is that it would be fucking stored in your brain or some shit and it could just

seep out in any random moment. Oh yeah. Well, I believe it. Well. All right. No more ecstasy. We'll hold true to that. Yo, this is an amazing interview. I wish we could go longer, but we should definitely do another one at some point. Hell yeah, when are you ready? When I get bigger,

when I get that movie road. Hmm. There it is. I appreciate you so much, man. You got a ridiculous story, and I'm a huge fan of the content. Same here. Dope getting into tough. It was an honor being here, man.

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