No Jumper - The Krimelife Ca$$ Interview: Coming Home from Prison, Falling Out with ABG Neal & More

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

Krimelife Ca$$ talks about new music, doing time, ABG Neal, and more! ---- 00:00 Intro 0:04 Krimelife Ca$$ on returning after doing a bid for multiple charges 3:12 Walking around with a b__ in the fanny pack 4:00 Krimelife Ca$$ describes his charges in detail, fighting an officer while holding a g__ 8:30 Krimelife Ca$$ tells story about getting double frisked 14:38 Krimelife Ca$$ says he has been high all the time since he was 15 16:51 Krimelife Ca$$ on linking up with ABG Neal and the importance of having an image in the music industry 18:52 Krimelife Ca$$ on "falling out" with ABG Neal 21:26 Krimelife Ca$$ on how he found out about ABG Neal getting jumped while in solitary confinement 25:32 Krimelife Ca$$ describes the downfall of his group while in prison and ABG Neal reaching out 29:28 Started before Brooklyn Drill became huge and not having the energy to name-drop on songs 34:45 Krimelife Ca$$ says his label paid for his lawyer and was only supposed to do a year 38:12 Still being signed to Alamo Records after getting out and his label still believing and supporting him 42:26 Krimelife Ca$$ on how he made money in prison 46:10 Krimelife Ca$$ explains how there is a jail inside jails 48:15 Krimelife Ca$$ talks about how he knew Pop Smoke from the block and never got to see him as a celebrity because he was locked up when he blew up 50:25 Krimelife Ca$$'s life post-prison and details his new project dropping soon --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm in here with somebody who I've been interested in having a conversation with for a long time. And it just came home from doing a nice long bid. And we're going to get into all that. Crime Life cast is in the building. How you feeling, man? Man, I'm good, man. Just came home.

Not too long ago. Just came home not too long ago. Yeah, how long we're looking at right now? A couple months? What's today's date? November 17th, I believe. I came home August 31st Okay

Yeah August 31st I came home So we're getting close up on like three months But a little under three months right now Right okay and so what were the circumstances That you got locked up under Essentially It was it was a multitude of different Charges and crimes and shit

But long story short Like with the case that I ended up going to prison for this time The first case I caught was technically they considered it like a crime spree. Because basically, like, in the city where I'm from, like, even though New York City is New York as a whole, you know, obviously everybody knows there's different boroughs and shit. Right. And the way that our city works is, you know, even though it's all New York, every borough technically is its own county, you know, because they're divided into different sections or whatever. you know Brooklyn has its own county its own court system Queens has its own county and so on and so forth you feel me So basically what what I had did was and I was in I was in Brooklyn originally and Longslery short there was a situation we was at this party and

We leaving the party and shit and like a couple of the niggas that I was with They had did some shit like I guess they robbed somebody in the party or like stole some shit this one weird Bum-ass Brooklyn niggas shit for me. And more of the story is, is when the people whose possessions it had been or whatever the cases came outside, which it was like some bitches and like some like other niggas, some weird shit, whatever. Basically they came out and at the time, like, I'm one of like the only people in my age group that's like tatted up the way I'm tatted up, especially having tattoos on my face and shit. So like a lot of like the negative situations I would get into

like in the public would just automatically gravitate towards me because it's like everybody would just automatically assume like I'm the reason why That's true because if you look at a group of people and one of them has face tattoos You're usually correct and guessing that that's the rapper I got him and I feel like police do the same thing I got that's the criminal yeah yeah yeah right so

So this so this business comes outside and she's fucking screaming and hollering and shit And she's doing all this crazy shit I'm drunk at the time I'm like like 17 at this time I'm drunk as fuck. She's screaming and hollering and shit. Coming after me and shit.

She had some niggott standing with her. So long story short, one thing led to another. And I ended up, I had, I used to walk around with a fanny pack. And I used to keep the fanny pack like strapped across me like this. You know what I'm saying? What was in it? I always kept a gun in there. So long story short, basically the way that I saw it, which now that I look back on it,

was completely irrational. But the way that I saw it was just like, everything was just, The situation was just developing so fast and getting out of control. And then everything was so focused towards me that I just got to a boiling point. And long story short, I just took out the gun and I just started pistol whipping. So you didn't fire it, but you brandished it. Yeah. So anyways, that was in Brooklyn.

And, you know, I did that. And then, you know, you got the bitch screaming and shit. And everybody's going crazy and shit. So I left. And when I left, I got on the train. And when I got on the train, I was going towards Manhattan to see the dudes that I was with. They was all like, oh, we about to go home, bro, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, go home.

Like, y'all niggas just had me running out here fucking pistol whipping this bitch doing all types of weird shit because y'all niggas want to be stealing shit doing all this weird shit. You feel me? So I'm like, we're not going home. What we're going to do is we're going to go run up these cards and whatever else you found in this bitch purse and all these different people's bags. And then you're going to give me the money. and then I'm going to go home, and then I'm going to feel like I didn't do this shit for no reason, because if not, it's going to be a problem.

So, long story short. I like that. Yeah, long story short. I like basically take a charge. Yeah, I basically, like, forced these niggas to, like, go to the city. And, like, I basically just, like, forced them to go into, like, each store. In the middle of the night? No, because this happened at, this was a party that happened,

like, when we left, it had to have been maybe, like, three, four in the morning-ish. Okay. So by the time that we got on the train, and I basically, like, you know, like took control of the situation. By the time that we made it to Manhattan, the sun was coming up. It had to have been like maybe like six, seven in the morning, like on the dot, you know what I'm saying?

So when we get off the train, I'm going store to store to go in the store, waiting outside the store and waiting for them to come back with something for me. So we go from each store, each store, each store. We get to one store. They come out, they don't have nothing. They're like, oh, blah, blah, blah.

The car deed up. Like, I'm saying, basically meaning the card, the card declined. They don't work no more. I'm like, I bet. So we walk and we're leaving. As we leaving, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I just get tackled from behind out of nowhere.

Like, literally, like, I'm walking. I'm just thinking we about to go to another store and try it again or something, you feel what I'm? And then out of nowhere, long story's short, I just get tackled, like, off my feet. So before I know what's going on, I'm fake tussling, trying to say, you know what I'm saying?

I'm just reacting, natural reaction. Then I started realizing the fact that I was in the middle of basically, of a fight with a cop, you feel me? It was a cop that tackled me. I didn't know that. So then once I kind of seen that it was a cop, because I still had the gun on me,

I kind of like realized the fact that I was just, you know, I had to just take this L, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not much I could do. So he was arrested me and shit. Now my man's who came out of the store, he's running, he's, one of the cops, out of grab him, he's running, the cop slipped, fell, all types of shit.

He ran. It was like some movie shit though, because I don't, I was in, I didn't know how it was to react in the situation, but my natural, reaction was I was just like don't leave me because he was running he was about to get low and I'm like

yo don't know and how did the cops even find out that this was going on does it just get reported through the point of sale at the stores so here's the best part right we didn't even get caught up for scamming and we didn't even get caught up for the assault yet you feel me we got caught up because one of

these broke bum-ass niggas was in the store fake like shoplifting shit so they catch the shit on camera knowing all the things that we've done leading up until this point. And then he's shopped up and get a little extra for himself. Yeah, like, like, basically like trying to put clothes under his clothes and walk out with the clothes. So that's why when he walked out and I'm like, I bet we're out. I'm like, oh, what's up? You ain't getting on? Nah, the car declined. I guess the car declined. And he was like, fuck this. And he went in the

fitting room. Do whatever he did. Put on a bunch of fucking clothes underneath his clothes, walks out. We walks out. The store owner had already called the cops before he even walked out the store. I don't know this because he didn't tell me he stole nothing. So I'm walking. We're thinking everything is cool. They can. and they've rushed us. And long story short, we all get arrested. We're all lined up. Now, at first, this is why this shit is a movie,

because at first, we're all lined up. Now, see, at the time, like, I had one tattoo on my face, right? But even so, all of the people that I was with, and, you know what I'm saying? This is just the type of society we live in, you feel me? Everybody that I was with was black, you feel me? And, you know what I'm saying?

Like, one of my, one of my bros had dreds, the other one had fucking box braids. I'm saying, whatever the case is, like, you know, so, long story short, I got a clean cut, you know what I'm saying? I got one of the ray bands that they went and swiped at one of the stores. I already had them on my face. So I kind of have the baby face at the time, so I have, like, the ray bands on, and, like, I got the fanny pack on, and, like, I got the, like, the clean low cut, and, like, I'm just

sitting there, you know what I'm saying? So it almost looks like if I'm out of place. But little do they know, like, I'm, like, basically, like, orchestrating this whole, like, crime scene type situation And what year is this? This is 2000 shit if I was 17 this is

or no matter of fact Oh so this is before you had any kind of rap thing going on? I was rapping at the time But it's just nothing was really You weren't popping off yet This was probably like 2016, 27 No So the whole time that you're blowing up

Or experiencing, you know Getting a bunch of eyes on you You've got this case hanging over your head Oh yeah yeah no yeah Because it gets better, right? So, long story short, they find the gun on me. Right. So when they find the gun on me, they find the stolen property and everything else on them.

You know what I'm saying? So they're basically going to get a slap on the wrist. You know what I'm saying? They don't even have any type of criminal record. I still already have priors from when I was younger. You know what I'm saying? Long story is short, we go to the station. Now, actually, rewind.

Before we went to the station, they're searching me. Now, as they're searching me, the first person to search me was a male cop. He's searching me, filling me, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm nervous, nervous as fuck. Now, as he's searching me, he feels my fanny pack, but I got the ray bands on. So he's like, what's this? So I was like, that's my eyeglass case. Said it cool as fuck, you feel me?

I'm like, that's my eyeglass case, whatever. All right, cool. Now, like I said, with the perception of the situation and being that one of these niggas already had the stolen property on them, they're not coming here for a gun. Right. So I'm just sitting there like, what's going on? You know what I mean? So long story short, then a female cop pulls up on the scene, and she goes to start

searching me. And I'm like, one of the officers already searched me. And the dude was like, yeah, no, I searched him. She's like, all right, fine, yeah, so you have nothing to worry about that. Yeah, let me just search you real quick. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. She starts searching me, searching me. She's like, she's like, what's this? I'm like, it's my eyeglass case. I just got these ray bands, blah, blah, blah. She's like, all right, cool, yeah, let me see her real quick. Boom, so she pulls out this big ass 45, you feel me? Now, at the time, the gun that I had was a high point. Now, some people don't know too much about guns, but for people who do Nobel guns. High points are like big

doofy, like toy looking retarded. Like, if you have a high point, you know, like, you're frowned upon. It's like, this is usually everybody's first gun if you're really from the trenches, you feel me? So where you were at in your life at that point. It's like, like, it's a gun at the end of the day. Like, I'm not being picky. Like, I'm not trying to use it ideally. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

Right at him. Okay. So anyways, so long story short, I had this big, dufy-ass fucking 45. Boom, she pulls it out. So they're like, they look at it It looks so fucking ridiculous They're like, yo, what are you doing with this Fucking walking around with this BB gun

So now I'm going along with that I'm like, yeah man, yeah, fuck I don't know I'm just fucking yeah, I don't know Just BB guns, yeah, whatever By the time we get to the station They realize it was a firearm So now that they realized it's a firearm This shit got serious

Because I wasn't even really a suspect Until after this Long story short All the niggas that I got locked with From that thieving situation They all told on me And said it was my gun Now, I go to Rikers Island for the gun charge in Manhattan.

As I'm on Rikers Island, I bail out. When I bail out, as I'm being released from the facility, I get re-arrested by some undercover cops. I don't know what's going on. This is the 83rd precinct in Brooklyn. So what had happened, now this is where the story, I'm starting to figure out what happened after I left Brooklyn. So after I pistol with this bitch and I left Brooklyn, she was leaking all crazy. she tried to take the train home. As she was taking the train home,

she wasn't even going to say nothing. As she was taking the train home, she had to go to the hospital. When she went to the hospital, obviously, it's regular protocol. They're going to ask you, like, what the fuck is this on your face? She's a female.

She's not from the streets. I don't, you know what I'm saying? She said what she was supposed to say. So when she did that, I was in Manhattan getting arrested for the gun charge. So when she gave them my description, I'm the only person who got arrested four hours later

with that same tattoo on my face. You feel me? so they re-arrested me for the for the assault charge so now i'm getting rearranged now they give me assault with a deadly weapon so now i have the now i'm on bail for a gun charge in manhattan and and then now when i got locked up i bailed out again and i'm on bail for assault with a deadly weapon in brooklyn wow and that was that was in 2017 and so how long did it take before you actually got sentenced oh i caught i caught another i caught two two more gun charges before i got sentenced okay so let's talk about this. It's a pretty bold decision to make to just walk around with a gun on you all the time

in New York City knowing that the punishment is very extreme compared to a lot of parts of the country. Is that just something that was kind of obvious to you, your whole life, that you needed to do that for safety? What was your thought process on that? The thought process, it comes with a lot of things, right? Like, coming from where I come from, the same way, like the same way the penalties are severe for getting caught with a gun. The penalties are that much severe, if not more severe, if you're living a type of lifestyle, if you're associated with certain things

and you don't have one. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like it goes back to the saying where everybody's like, you know, I'd rather get caught with it than without it because at the end of the day, you know, you still have a chance at life, whereas, you know, the latter you don't. You know what I'm saying? So at a real early age, you know, I realized that this was the power right here. You know what I'm saying? But is this because you were gang affiliated from a real young age?

That played a part in it. But that played a part in it. But believe it or not, the funny thing is, is when I first obtained a gun and when I was younger, the real reason why I obtained a gun was specifically for the power that it held. It was for the simple fact that once I had that gun, I felt like I was in control of every situation that that came my way because at the end of the day, I have this, you know what I'm saying? And that time when you got caught there, that was the first time that you had been caught with a gun? Right. And the one in Manhattan, yeah.

Right. Damn. So were you on drugs and shit at this point in your life, or what was your state of mind like? At the time of the crime? Yeah, or like just in general at that time. Were you also getting fucked up running around with a gun on you? Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. From the time I was about like 15, until the time that I became incarcerated, I was, there wasn't a day that I was sober. And I was doing at least like three or four drugs a day. Really? Yeah. Upers and downers, because I, you know,

speedball and I used to like to speedball. So, you know, I like to be somewhere in between, you feel I feel I feel you? Yeah, I feel you. But, okay, so you're also just, like, working on your rap career? Like, what happened that kind of made you sort of come out and all of a sudden you had like good videos and your music was sounding good and everything i always

did music i always wanted to do music and it always influenced me and um i always had like a natural talent with it i just didn't know where i was going to i just didn't know how to you know what i was supposed to do with it so long story short um this was back in like this was back in like 2018 or some shit i had did like some program shit while i was fighting these cases i did like some like program shit something along those lines I came home when I came home I was living on my manager's couch for eight months as I was living on his couch you know I'm saying I'm doing certain things just to try to stay afloat and get money but what I was really doing was is I was just keeping myself afloat because basically every day I was just trying to pursue my my music

career because I came to a realization early on that like if it if it's not for music like there's not really a promising future for me so if I can at least get somewhere where I'm established enough with the music then everything else that I want to do I could do from that platform you know what I mean and if I don't then basically

I have to just be the best fucking criminal in the world and that's not possible you know what I'm saying? Crime or rap yeah it's one of the other you know I'm always being me at the end of the day but it's a matter of like you know a level of like

maturity where it's like you know I'm still with me and I still have the same type of personality but it's like I want to experience different things in life now. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, okay, how did you end up making all this music with ABG and Neil? Because I felt like when you came out, it was like I was just fucking with both of your music at the same time.

Yeah, hell yeah. So originally how me and this nigga Neil linked up was like through the street shit and everything. Okay. And, you know what I'm saying? Through actually a mutual friend of us, somebody who actually fake used to manage me. I'm not even going to say his name, but. So long story show, we met and we was just clicking on some like some Brooklyn shit, you feel me? Like regular street shit. And he was already making music. I was already making music.

Only thing was is we were both at a place where it was like we kind of had like street clout more than anything. So even though we were both heavy in the streets, like actually active in the streets, the music that we was doing was lit, but it was more so just lit on that street. street level. And as we was linking up and doing shit, for some reason, you know, things just started to kind of like build from there because at this point now we're kind of chasing the same dream, you feel me? And aside from the music shit, we're not linking up on a daily basis like because, you know, the label said so or any, like it had nothing to do with that. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we was together because, you know what I'm saying? It was like a brotherhood type shit. Right. And then that started, that started reflecting in the music. Right. Yeah, because I have a lot of memories of just different, you know, gas station scenes of you guys in music videos together looking like the biggest bloods in the whole goddamn universe. A lot of like Brooklyn Street Corner type videos and stuff. It felt very real. There was definitely a vibe going on there. It was. It was. And, you know. Two light-skinned hoodlums in Brooklyn, you know, what could be better? It was just like, you know, people were just, you know, it was the gap. It was the light-skinned. this it was the long hair it was all the beads and shit

to where it was just like nobody does this you know what I'm saying in this combination too like nobody does all of these things and together in one shot and that's kind of what grabbed people's attention because then the music came behind that right so then it was just up from there but did you guys have a falling out at any point

before you went out or before you got locked up um see it's funny you should ask right because like we never even really spoke enough to have a falling out. So like, the thing with, the thing with bro is, is like, I feel like at the time when we was when we was doing the things that we were doing, everything was happening naturally and it felt good at the time for, I guess, what he had going on, what I had going on, everything

that was going on, you know. And once I became incarcerated and, you know, I had time to really be, you know, to self-reflect and to be isolated, and then also to see how other people's, you know, energies or reactions, you know, reciprocated the type of energy I was giving out prior to me being incarcerated. You feel me? And, you know, I just felt like, like, there wasn't really much there when I got locked up. So it just got to the point where I just kind of, like, started, like, erasing certain things from my mind. You know what I'm saying?

But, I mean, you're locked up, too. So it's like, it's got to be a shitty feeling. of becoming artists where you can't really communicate with the world and like you've got all these thoughts about shit that's going on and how your name is being treated or whatever but you can't even really barely communicate that shit aside from like one-on-one on the phone or some shit. I mean shit we had the phones then while I was while I was incarcerated they started like you know integrating all types of new shit they got kiosk now so you know you got the tablet you're sending emails back and forth to your to your loved ones you know you could write a letter

and you could come see somebody. So when you really think about it, you know, it's really your choice. Which one you want, you know what I mean? Like one of the other, if you try one of these things, then you'll be able to communicate. But if you don't try any of these things,

then you can't expect to communicate with somebody. Right. Or to keep up a certain type of relationship. Like, if I'm, like, me and Adam, if I'm with you every single day 24-7, like, I know everything about you. If something happens to me in my life, I'll call you first.

Like, like, sleeping with, like, your feet at where my head is at, my feet where your head is at. You know what I'm like? Trapping and everything. So you expected a different level of respect, I guess, while you were locked up or something? Yeah, I mean, you could call it expect. Like, but it was also just like, I didn't know what I expected.

And then once I've seen how everything played out, then it just made me realize certain things that I wasn't aware of because I never had the chance to experience that before. It's crazy because when you're talking about getting caught with it or without it, were you already locked up when the video came out of him getting jumped? Yeah, hell, yeah. That was like, that was like 2019, right? Right, because, I mean, that's a tough thing for any up-and-coming rapper to get past.

But then also, I mean, like, just to put it in context, like, he, when he did his no jumper interview, was basically saying he was the toughest person in the whole world. Like, he was kind of almost making a meme out of, like, saying how hard he was. And so then for that to happen, it was just kind of like, ah, like, I don't know how the fans felt. That was hurtful for me, right? Yeah. because because I'll tell you exactly how I found out about that. I was in, I was, I was, I was in solitary confinement at the time.

This was, this was like, damn, around what time was this? This was like, this was 2019, maybe like, ah, man, I can't even say. I think it was like cold still. I think it was cold when I found out about this. So long story short, at the time, because a lot of shit changed with like solitary confinement and all this different shit where like now they're getting phone calls every week and they're on the tablet in there. When I was in solitary confinement, I was in solitary confinement for like about six months, six and a half month straight.

And I probably got on the phone like one time. You know what I'm saying? Maybe two times, you feel me? And the times that I was on the phone were for they were what, I think, 10 minute calls or 5 minute calls, 15 something like that like you're not even basically able to really have a conversation with somebody long story short I'm in the box solitary confinement

23 and one locking you know I'm saying and um this is my first chance that I get to use the phone and I haven't used the phone in so long I'm so hype so I wanted to get so many things done in one time like I was going to try to call one person have them three way another person get off the phone call

somebody else like all types of shit so long story short I remember one of these as I had been fucking with, but she was really in the loop. Like she was, you know, with us and the music shit and the guys and shit. She's like, yo, I gotta holler at you. She wrote me in a kite. She's like, yo, I can't really talk about it, but something happened, blah, blah, blah,

with Neil, da-da-da-da, I gotta talk to you. Now, you know, like I said, my loyalty runs deep. This is really my brother at the time, you know what I'm saying? And it's not that he's not my brother, but it's just like, at the time, this is really my guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, ride or die. So, you know, this is at the beginning of my bed. So I guess on the phone to, to,

to call and I call and I'm like yo what happened and they're like yo you didn't hear like you nobody told you I'm like nah what happened and they was like yo they got him like the fuck you mean they got him they were like yo like niggas caught him lacking coming out the studio or something da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da they were drilling him all crazy they fucking snatch this and snatch that and da-da-da-da I'm like what first thing and mind you right this is how you know this is really my man right and he can never really know what was going on on the other side you You feel me? But the first thing I was so aggravated.

Like I wanted to kill somebody. Like I wish I had a bunky at the time in my cell so I could turn around and beat the shit out of him because I was by myself and I was so upset. Like I almost wanted to come to. I think I cried because it was like I felt like that shouldn't have even been possible to happen because of what I thought in my mind of what we established, like things like that aren't supposed to just happen like that. And when people explain to me how it really has.

happen and then I'm just looking back at it like bro like the type of things we would be talking about and the type of way would we be moving like how would you ever even be in a position for it to go that far and then when it did go that far for how it for how it it was handled after the fact and the outcome it was just all around it was just like it just it just hurt me what I really wanted to happen I was really on the phone like oh so like all right cool why y'all talking to me about it like what is somebody going to do about that like is is something not done yet da da da You know, long story short, whatever, whatever, the streets do what they do. I'm not even going to speak on that.

But, you know, then I come home and, you know, I also see how, like, you know, shit is now on the outside because of it. And, like, you know, it's just, I don't know, it was just, that was a whole fucked up situation, just the whole way it played out. Because I feel like after that was a real big downfall in a lot of things because, you know, I was inside for all of that. Even Benji 2 or whatever, you know what I'm saying? because they used to do shit together and then he fell off the face of the earth because apparently he was there and then all this other shit

that I really not aware of because I'm not there but everybody has their side of the story but all these different people have these conflicting sides of the story but these are all people that together I was with them all together so I'm already putting it in my mind

like damn this is gonna be weird when I go home because it's like this nigga's fake beefing with him he's low key telling me that he's a bitch but he still acts like he fucks with him this nigga's his man's but he fucking snatched his chain like all types of shit.

So it was like, shit just started crumbling after that. It kind of makes you like, because when you're younger, you have this idea that your friendships are so serious that they're going to last forever and that you would die for these people, et cetera,

and then a lot of people at some point. And usually it doesn't take that long. Usually it's like in your early 20s, the fucking, the illusion sort of pops. Immediately. And you just, and it happens constantly with people

who are like rapping and coming up together with other people is that it doesn't take that long for you to realize that, oh, this was really more of a relationship of convenience, and it didn't really mean that much, and whatever, we're going to go our separate ways. So you come home and you haven't talked to him or you guys don't have a relationship?

Nah, especially because when I was locked up, like I said, the falling out, we got into, like, a little heated discussion because one time I call him and he's like, yo, why don't you be calling me more? And I'm like, yo, not for nothing, bro. Like, I'm in the trenches. Like, I'm not, like,

going to just be sitting here calling you because at the end of the day, I'd be feeling like a burden for one because like I said there's all these different ways of communication but the only way I was getting in communication with certain people was if I was calling them.

So now I kind of feel like if I'm literally only speaking to you when I call you and sometimes you might not even answer then now I feel like there's nothing for us to really talk about you know what I'm saying? So yo why you never call me blah blah blah this that and third and I'm like

I'm explaining this shit to him or whatever and then it's just like he starts to talk about like how I'm ungrateful and how he has all these different niggas that's locked up. And I respect it because not for none. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a couple of the bros that's really doing time. And, you know, a lot of these niggas is niggas that also fuck with him directly

and look to him for guidance and shit, you feel me? But I just also felt like, and this isn't me trying to be selfish, but this is just real shit. This is how I felt like fuck whatever you're talking about with them. I don't give a fuck about nothing that I got to do with them. Like, me and you made millions of you. views on one song, bro. Like, me and you was really like... 12 million on one video on the no jumper platform.

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Like, bro, me and you used to literally go to Wendy's and split a four-for-four, bro, like, and then we became something because you got to understand he wasn't even pursuing music seriously. I forced him to. I saw the potential in him and all of these other niggas that you all see are all not doing it anymore

after I got locked up. And I literally used to pay for the Ubers. the studio time, sometimes the videos, and anything, and send them, I used to put a post up to send beats, and I would use one of their emails so that my followers think they're sending me beats, and I'm sending beats to these niggas in the studio because they don't got beats. So, like, literally, like, I literally pushed them into a direction because of how much love and loyalty I had to these niggas, and I was like, yo, the shit y'all niggas is doing is not going to last forever, but the shit that I'm doing, if y'all do it with me, we can make this shit last for infinity.

and these niggas fuck that shit up damn they fucked it all up so when you guys were coming out it was kind of like pre- Brooklyn drill like there was that kind of going on it's hard to remember exactly

it was like a little bit before that sound but you guys were like kind of that aesthetic you know aesthetic I could go for it was the culture let's just keep in a part of me it was the culture right it was the culture it was the culture It's not so much like the drill scene or drill in anything

It was just so much the culture as like You know what a lot that goes into the drill shit is gang affiliation Rivalries You know hoods and blocks You know what I'm saying and And and shit like that basically who could make their street look like the best street Who can make their projects look like the best projects whatever the case is But see the way we came about it was like we're not rapping about

projects, we're not rapping, we're not even really rapping about no streets. We're really just, you know, basically just putting that energy out there that, like, we was basically just coming through, like, like, this is what we do. You weren't really, like, dissing the opposite, that much of the music and shit, right? Like, even though, even, like, which is kind of standard for most, like, drill music now from New York. Yeah, like, these people are actually saying people's names. Yeah.

Now, now, we might have static with certain niggas, but it's like, when we get into the stool, that just wasn't our energy, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're not like, yeah, so and so, ah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm in the stew with my bros, and the only thing that's coming out of the vibe that we're creating with each other is greatness. You know what I'm saying?

Not negativity and worrying about, you know, bringing down the next man, because at the end of the day, we weren't even lit enough to be sitting here talking about the next man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't get clout over somebody that doesn't have clout, and I don't have clout.

Right. That's fucking retarded. It's different when you have famous ops. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because then it's like, you know, you can't make them. You're not going to make them any more famous. Right.

But you can talk shit about them. But it's like, do you really want to be shouting out, you know, little Toby down the street? Yeah, no, that shit is, that shit is, that shit is, that shit is accordion. It's irrelevant because it's like, people want to put so much focus on the people that they, that they don't fuck with. It's like, you're just boosting each other's careers. But how do you feel about how the music scene has changed in New York, like, maybe Brooklyn specifically, or, you know, obviously the Bronx is crazy as fuck right now. There's just like a total, like music has just changed a ton of. in the last, I mean, how long we've locked up?

Five years? No. Four years? Yeah, it was just about. I was locked up for three and a half years, which is, what, 42 months? Right. So, but, um, uh, a lot of people keep asking me about this new rap, like, drill scene and, like, the Bronx and these young niggas and shit.

And it's like, I swear to God, I don't listen to these niggas, bro. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. I just, I can't really get into a lot of this shit because, just because of the content. Like, I like to listen to music that I'll sing along to, and even if I don't 100% relate to shit that as I'm saying it, it makes me feel like I'm a part of that moment.

Like, when I go to this stew and I project certain things and what I say, I say it in a way that when you're listening to it, you might not even like the whole song. You might just listen to it for that one fucking bar. You know what I'm saying? Because it's a mood. And it's like I feel like when I listen to like some of these other niggas songs, it's so hard for me to even get to that point.

because I'm already laughing, like, halfway through it. And I'm just like, well, these niggas is bugging. Like, what the fuck is wrong with these little niggas? Like, these niggas is bugging the fuck out. Like, there's a song. I don't even remember the name that came out, like, I don't know, maybe a month ago. And the video keeps getting taken down off YouTube. But it's, like, super controversial because it's some young-ass kids from New York.

And the whole song, the whole hook is making fun of some kid who got stabbed to death. And they're going like this and, like, acting like they're fucking stabbing themselves while they're fucking doing the dance. And it keeps getting. removed for like harassment or bullying or some shit but I would be honest like that that is a little too far for me like I can listen to king Vaughn talk about Wooski and like fucking not really like feel bad about listening to that but there's a certain point where it's just like okay this is some of this is just a little too far man yeah and and it's crazy too because of the age of these kids bro yeah that makes it fucking scarier for sure and then and then the kids that you're talking about

do they even notice and I think they do or at least they're like you know warring who or whatever, you know? I'm not even sure. Because that's another thing I've been peeping, too, that I can't really get into this shit is like so many people are fucking teaming up with other niggas. And then jacking each, like,

this is what confuses me about it, right? It's like you'll have somebody from the Bronx team up with somebody from Brooklyn and they both got their own ops, but because they teamed up, they're now jacking each other's ops. So now you got ops that you don't even know. So now you jacking his dead man's

and doing a dance or doing whatever and you really just making yourself look corny because it's just like, you never even seen that. man before so what is your problem right you know what I'm saying like just shit like that bro like they focus is just all the way off to me you know I'm saying but it's it's also a lot of like niggas not having no guidance you feel me like and that's why I kind of appreciate the fact that I went to prison because I ain't gonna lie I was fake on the same time as a lot of these

young niggas doing dumb shit thinking I knew what I was doing and when I went to jail I should sat my eyes down but that doesn't mean I was jail on these little niggas but that's the direction that a lot of them is going and you feel yeah well how do you feel about like like how do you change as a person while you're locked up? And did you think you were going to do more time? Or, like, did you know that you were probably going to do about the amount of time that you did? As a matter of fact, I was actually supposed to do less time. Right.

Paid a lot of money for this fucking lawyer, this rapper-ass lawyer. It didn't even come out of my pocket. I keep it a band with you. The label paid for the lawyer. And she was going to spank it, you feel me? And I retained the lawyer when I first had the first two charges, the gun charge, and the assault with a deadly weapon charge. But prior to retaining her,

they gave me a deal for the gun charge, I mean for the assault charge for youthful offender status because of my age. So being that, I was just, you know, I was young and dumb, you know, had a public defender at the time before I retained my new lawyer.

They were like, yo, you know, you take the five years felony probation, you're not going to jail. I'm like, I bet. I'm not going to jail. Fuck it. So I copped out to that. But like I said,

they looked at it as like, crime scene so that I copped out to that I almost kind of admitted guilt to the other one I didn't realize that so then now when I caught another one after that and then another one after that I was really a long story short she was really gonna get me like a year in jail you heard if I would have just chilled out after like the first two cases because I was so young and these were my first real getting caught for shit but so you're getting caught with a gun and then you're just going and getting another gun the day you get out like you just there's no there was no possible option in your head of moving around without a gun.

on you? The first time I came out, I got another gun very, very, like, recent after I came home. And then that's when I caught a gun charge in Queens. Now, when I caught that charge and I bailed out for that one, I shit you not. I did not touch a gun for two years straight. And that's why, because this was 2017 I'm talking about. I was on bail that whole time. I was doing good. I'm fighting my cases, but they wasn't going nowhere because there was so much of a lack evidence except for the one time that they found it on me now in my other case it was in the car I'm a passenger and then and then in the last case I fucking tossed this shit before I seen them come and I ran they caught me a whole other you know fucking you know what I mean so there was only ever one

gun on my person so I could only really ever really be convicted of that without a doubt so if it wasn't for the fact of like me doing all the shit that I was doing like I could have definitely had a way better situation, way better outcome, but I didn't see it. Two years later, you know, I'm doing good. I'm thinking, like, I don't know. Like, I was just still stuck in a position where I was just like, I'm riding around with no hammer. Like, if I'm somebody special, yeah, I'm doing this music shit and it's starting to pick up, but a lot of people don't realize that when I'm not in the studio, I'm really selling drugs. So it's like for me walking around and I got the pack on me and I'm serving somebody, but then over down the block,

like, yo, that's crime. And I'm over here turning around, getting ready to, you know what I mean? And then I realize there's a fucking, a fan or something. And then it's just like I couldn't balance the two, not I mean? So then it's just like, then I just, you know, and then it's like when it comes to this money shit, like it's like, I need some money. So then boom, I went, picked up another gun, whatever the case might be. And, you know what I'm saying?

The rest was history. I ain't come home until I was 24. So are you still signed? Yeah, I'm still signed out of Alamo. How's that going? That's good, man. You know, I got a real good team. over there. I got fucking, you know, a label that really, like, genuinely supports me,

not even just in music, but as a person to want to see me, like, strive and to be successful because I was one of the first artists to ever sign to Alamo. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think I signed before comethazine or right after comethazine. But I was around the same time, like, perp, co, me. Like, these were some of the first artists that were signed to Alamo back in, like, 16.

17, 17, you feel me? And when I signed back in that time, it was for a promotion and distribution deal because I wasn't shit, you know, but for whatever reason, you know, because I went there, played my music, I used to go to the office and just chill there. They started a, you know, a relationship

that they developed that they were like, you know what, let's give this kid a shot. A couple years later, I'm going hard, my shit keep going up. All of a sudden, I dropped Forrest Gump, and they're like, you know what? I bet we knew this kid was going to, boom. and then they give me an artist deal, you know.

And then I go to prison like, you know, like a month later. Oh, shit. It was that close together. Not literally. Like, literally, like, I got signed. And I think I got signed in February. And I went to prison in March. Something like that.

I might got the days fucked up. I'm high, but one or the other. You know what I'm saying? So you get home and do you just start making music right away? or what's your attitude on your career going forward? Immediately, like, immediately, like, I've been working myself like a dog since I've been home, you feel me? Because, you know, I can't fuck this shit up again, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I really had an opportunity that I let slip away for me because I didn't see the bigger picture. So all that time I had to reflect. Like, when I came home, I literally went from Franklin Correctional Facility. I fucking changed my clothes, hopped in the table. Tahoe, I checked in with parole or whatever all that different shit I had to check in with. And I immediately went to the studio. I had to bitch twist my dreds in the studio and all that.

And I recorded Thursday out and, you know, shot part of the vlog and shit, the first day out vlog with the music video and everything. And, you know what I'm saying? And I've been recording every week ever since, sometimes back-to-back days. And I dropped already like four music videos, two, three interviews, fucking, I got to another video in the cut. I'm about to shoot a video out here now that I'm in Cali. Like, I'm just, bro, I'm just trying to reap the benefits of this shit, bro. Like, I ain't trying to go back to jail. I'm trying to go up. You feel? Yeah. Like, while you were sitting in there, that was

all you were thinking about was how you were going to fucking pursue your career afterwards? Yeah, when I was being fucking basically treated like a fucking animal and like a slave and I was being violated every day. It was that bad. Bro, it was worse than you could ever imagine. Like, when people say I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, like that really, like, that really means something, you feel me? Did you do anything in particular to deserve this, or is this just how they are in general? Oh, no, that's just how they are. I mean, you got to understand.

I went to jail with 12 tattoos on my face, bro. Oh, so that makes you a target? Look at my skin complexion, bro. Right. And I gang bang, bro. And they know that. And they know that I rap. So it's like, name one more thing that's not going to make them fucking despise me,

bro, because I'm with the big homies, bro, you heard? Like, I'm with the real, like. I'm with the real, like, put it in, like, I'm with the niggas that other niggas don't look at, you feel me? So when you're in there, you're good? Like, you're very tapped in. I'm, I'm nat, bro. Like, this is really what I do. But, like, music shit is something I'm good at.

But, like, that street shit is something that I come from, you feel me? Like, it's not something I had to, like, adapt to. It's something that just progressed since I got, you know, since I aged, you feel me? Like, when I was in prison, I was more than good. If I'm being real with you, I didn't made more. money in prison than I made in the town, bro. I didn't, I didn't had more power in prison than I had in the town because it's

a whole different universe. There's a whole different world. You can never compare this world to that world, and they're not one in the same. They're not even on the same plateau. Making money, how? Making money, how? Whatever you can say. No, I mean, shit, I'll give you a whole rundown.

I mean, yo, I ain't even going to lie. Like, there's a lot of shit people need to know about this jail shit, bro, because people have a misconception of that shit, bro. I'm trying to see in movies. Niggas dropping soap and they, the shower like it's not how this shit goes bro like it's real niggas in there but like making money though like bro you could literally like this is a place where you got to think about it if if if if you're in jail for let's say five years in your mind you got to think of a multitude of things that can break up that

five years so that you could get there quicker right so if you're somebody who's already predisposed to addiction or something like that before you got locked up now you're locked up and you're sitting in one place, but you don't got bills to pay. You don't got fucking rent or kids or none of that. So for niggas that got money or for that's getting money, whatever the case is, like, as long as you have what they mean, you're going to be rich. Right. So it could be anything because, like, I swear to God, just right before I came home,

there was one point in time where I was buying packs of new ports for $40. Mm-hmm. $40. And mind you, we could buy packs of Newports on commissary in prison for like $10,11. But if they all run out and one of the bros who doesn't smoke holds on to this shit and has like 10 cartons, he can make fucking $4,000 off of cigarettes that he paid maybe $400 for. So that's just one thing. And that's not even something crazy.

And then if you want to really get into the crazy shit, I mean, you know, people in prison is getting high, bro. Like don't get it You know what I'm saying Don't get it fucked up bro Like like Like niggas in jail Is getting high bro Like pills and stuff mostly

Or bro I've seen Molly in jail Real Molly rocks I've seen Ecstasy I've seen Dust

I've seen weed I've seen Perkissettes Even some niggas Is prescribed perkinsets In there I've seen

fucking dope I've seen fucking bro all kinds of shit bro edibles fucking chocolate edibles

gummy edibles fucking bro you name it bro and this is why it's lit because it's a black market so this is where we're going with it right because it's a blind of man so all the things that I named

none of it is really off the menu but it might not be there right now because it's not like, you know, niggas is in jail sitting around just like smuggling Mad Molly and chilling. You know what I'm saying? It's just it pops up here and there and there's so much demand that. Or if you know that there is an increasing demand for it, then what might be a smart business decision for somebody who's in prison who doesn't have a family, doesn't have no support, doesn't get people putting money on their books, doesn't get people coming to see them and send them packages, you feel me? if you could get that in and you know

you're risking your freedom to get that in but if you could get that in and you can supply people with that then you could support yourself and you might even be able to support your family I see niggas buy cars off of the shit I see niggas put down payments on houses on this shit

like I've seen niggas pay for mortgages with this shit I've seen niggas by designing with this shit from a cell right you know what I'm saying like I maxed out on my bid for this shit you feel me

like I was supposed to do three years at a three and a half with good time and I lost my good time because I caught a ticket and the ticket is basically like I got charged with a bunch of like charges in jail

like you're already in jail but like little do people know like you could get arrested in jail and not like outside charges because they also have their own holding cells in the jail so like if you get in trouble for a fight let's say it's not a new charge but you will get charged within the laws of that jail as a fight, and then you will reap the consequences of that, which might be some time

in jail. But since you're already in jail, then it has to be something that's even more torturous than what you're already accustomed to. So they have a jail inside of the jail. You know what I'm saying? So when I caught my ticket, they hit me with all these charges and they sent me to the box. And then when they sent me to the box, I was fighting this shit and eventually, you feel me, I got found guilty. Now, I didn't get found guilty because I didn't have the proper evidence. I got found guilty because of the system that was before me was corrupt. You know what I'm saying?

Nobody gets found not guilty. Like, you could literally show them outright in black and white how you're correct, and they will literally still find you guilty because at the end of the day, like, they own that shit, they run that shit. They got the keys, you know what I'm saying? They have no reason to. They have the keys, bro. Like, what are you doing?

Who are you going to tell? Who are you going to tell? You know what I'm saying? Who are you going to tell on this man? When this man has a fucking silver beard and he has fucking four stripes on it. A stripe is like 10 years, five years, some shit like that.

You got these niggas that's walking around with stripes and stars and all types of shit. Like these niggas been doing this shit for 30 years. You think you're going to come in here and change this? You know what I'm saying? Like, this is what they do because this is what they could get away with. You feel me? Right.

And they take advantage of that shit, bro. They beat the shit out of niggas. You feel me, drill niggas, niggas getting their heads split open and all that. And then they're writing them up and charging them and saying that they tried to assault an officer. And that that's why that happened. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy, bro.

So, okay, now you're out and you're fully, like, making a run of it again. Like, what do you feel like is the most important things for you to kind of get done now to get back popping the way you were before? What I need to do now, right, is I need to get, I need to find my new, my new, my new, my new groove, you feel me? Because due to the fact that so many things changed while I was incarcerated, right, especially my, my circle. And then, you know, they legalized weed. And then, you know, I was locked up for Trump. And then, you know, fucking, you know, all these fires and Black Lives Matter and fucking everything. You know what I'm saying?

Six-nine telling. Literally, like, anything you could think of that's, like, somewhat moderately, like, relevant to, like... Pop Smoke, Don. I wasn't even in town when Pop Smoke became a rapper. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember Pop Smoke, you know, God Rested Dead, not to disrespect him, but, like,

I'm from Brooklyn. Like, you know, we, there's viral videos and shit. I remember him from when he was a young nigga on the block, Cripping, you feel me? And then niggas slapped him up or whatever the case is, you know what I'm saying? But he was a kid at that time, like 12, 13 years old. You know what I'm saying? not to try to assassinate his character

but like I never knew him as a rapper so I guess locked up pop smoke comes out with welcome to the party I'm hearing this as I'm just locked up on the radio oh yo this shit look baby welcome to the you know I'm saying everybody singing it dancing and shit and then to see what he became but it's like And then to have it end so quickly

Before I came home Before he didn't exist to me No disrespect he didn't exist to me I never got to see like a Instagram post Or like oh he's about to drop this and wait for it to drop and then it comes out like you know he's just to me he's like an urban legend you know what I'm saying because he got embraced by like all the biggest rappers and just had this explosive like had my whole city in a frenzy boy I didn't even see it rolling loud 2019 we went out there

and he he wasn't even allowed to perform but it's like that's the only fucking song that you're hearing when you're driving around Brooklyn his songs a couple songs but and I didn't even get to experience that yeah damn so how's your life different now though what what is had to change because you don't want to go back to jail and you want to be able to just, you know, live a good life. What's changed with you? I just got to be smarter, you know what I'm saying? I'm older now. Like, uh, I grew up in jail because when I got locked up, those were like the years that like, you know, people start to figure certain shit out as an adult. You know, I turned 21 in solitary confinement. I turned 22

in another jail. You know, I turned 23 in that same jail. You know, I turned 21 in that same jail and then I came home and then a couple weeks later I turned 24 so you know I never experienced like getting a driver's license or I never experienced you know like a strip club or being old enough to go to the bar so that's also shit that I'm trying to you know now that I'm coming home so things that I'm changing is like trying to take you know certain shit that I learned in jail by growing up and being aware of my surroundings and now that I'm home trying to use that as kind of like a cheat code you know what I'm saying to try to like you know do things not so much to say do things better but because I don't want to do the same things but just to reshape certain shit and maybe like

add a little different spices to the formula you feel me and then see if it comes out with a better product you know what I mean like I'm just trying to adapt right now you know I'm saying definitely for sure man it's good to see you back home and you know it's just such a shitty fucking story of having to go and do that much time although to be honest the shit you got caught for was pretty fucking crazy too yeah hell yeah so i respected i wasn't mad at them you know what i'm saying i wasn't complaining i did bad right definitely but i mean hey best of luck and everybody go tap in on all social media platforms and everything like that you got any big plans anything else that you're trying to focus on coming up yeah i'm about to drop the project real soon nice

hell yeah i'm about to drop this project and i'm about to come back out with this uh klb merch um that shit fell off when I was locked up. I didn't have nobody to run it. So I just wanted to give myself some time to readjust and then I'm going to bring back out the KLB merch and KLB shop.com and all that. Oh yeah. For sure, man. Well, it was good tapping in with you. Best luck with everything. Not advised. Thank you for having me, gang. For sure. No Jumber. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, etc. Like, comment, subscribe. Nojumber.com if you want to support.