No Jumper - The KSI Interview

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast of the world. And we're in here with the fucking champ. K-S-I. Your boy, let's go. How you feeling, man? I feel good, bro. Like, legit.

Like, my life is too fucking sick. Oh, man. You're glowing. I feel it when I watch your YouTube uploads. Yeah, yeah. It's weird because you're used to struggling a bit or having something to be a little bit pissed off about. Yeah, yeah. And you're just right now in this period where it's just all roses.

It's just, yeah. But, I mean, I worked hard for it, man. Yeah. And it's. it's always good to finally, you know, reap the rewards. And I'm there right now. Yeah. Yeah.

Just having to lap it up. It's just fucking victory. Just enjoying the whole time, man. And just, yeah, just living. Like, even the music as well, like, everything's just popping off. Right. I'm just excited for the future and just what I can do after. Like, yeah, it's just, it's cool.

Like, I'd hate to be in Logan's position. Yeah. I feel like he's kind of stuck. He's kind of in a weird. weird yeah position compare how you feel right now to how you felt

after the draw last year with the draw it's like I knew I was still the champion but I was like it just feels weird

it was like I couldn't I wasn't like congratulated but I wasn't like you know commiseration it was kind of just like

okay so that just happened and I was at yeah there wasn't really like a conclusion and I felt I just felt

like I didn't do enough as well. I wasn't happy in myself. I felt like I just got too complacent. Have you found like a different version of yourself through this? Yeah. Entirely. Yeah. For you and Logan, it's like you've sort of lived this life. You're playing video games, you're making YouTube

videos, it's dope. All of a sudden you're rich and famous. You've got endorsements. You got all this crazy shit. But you never had to like struggle as hard as you definitely have had to struggle through all this training shit, right? No, I've struggled with like a lot of shit like during the whole YouTube like you know YouTube isn't easy like this is true yeah it's um you have to be consistent you always have to change up the content you know you can't just do the same thing over and over again because the fan base gets bored so like i worked hard to get to where i am in youtube but obviously like it's it's a different level of working when it comes to

like training for a boxing match right and uh yeah now i've never trained like that in my life and it was tough but I kept saying like mentally it's changed me because physically I you know I was there but mentally I had to really like switch it on and just be like I ain't afraid to get hit I ain't afraid to get punched in the face right and you know if I do get hit I'm going to give him bangs back right and I think that's what won me the fight he whenever he attacked me I'd come back with vicious vicious shots right and he was like nah fuck that did it ever start to get into your head that you had a lot of people doubting you you you're going into there the underdog but you still felt like you had the overwhelming amount of support but it felt like people really were starting

to at least a little bit put their money on logan was that does that start to creep into your brain no no like like i walked in there like a champion you know i felt like a champion the whole way so you know obviously people always going to doubt me but if anything that just makes me want to fucking strive higher right in general so yeah no like it i i i i i i don't like i i i i don't know i i i I like when people think I'm the underdog, or when people doubt me. It just, yeah, it boosts me up. So, yeah. Okay, guys, quick break to let you know that this podcast is sponsored by Storyfire.

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When you look at this, do you, like, what is the stuff that is really inspiring you? Because I know myself as a person who's been like really into working out and trying to lose weight and get in shape lately. like this boxing match has very much motivated me because I'm watching the videos of you guys training and getting into it. And I'm very much in a position where I'm very susceptible right now to like motivational, like exercise based video content. Oh, wow. You know? It's like something about that. I'm watching all these documentaries on Netflix about fucking runners and all this kind of crossfit shit.

You know, because it gets me into that mind state of wanting to go harder. Oh, sick. You know? Why? Do you actually properly like train them? Just working out, just lifting weights and just doing cardio and shit like that. I haven't actually taken on anything. Do you do like runs?

Like little to runs? I'm actually thinking again back into it because my back is feeling a lot better. For a long time I didn't do that because my back's smashing together. Just fucking me up. Oh, right. Well, I mean, you can always just ride bikes. That's true. I do a lot of that.

But so is there anything like in terms of what gets you motivated, what gets you into the mind state, whether it's music, whether it's reading movies, anything like that? I think it's just like my legacy. like and just proven people wrong that's just it like that's if anything that's why I like having haters that's why I like having doubters because that's what pushes me more I felt like I felt like with the first fight everyone was on my side everyone was on my side there was no one doubting me and it kind of didn't it didn't put me in the right mindset and I don't know I felt like that's why I didn't do as well as I did with this one with this one I was like

Like, I, everyone is, you know, I'm the underdog, you know. Everyone's trying to shit about me. You know, Justin Bieber's once my head ripped off. You know, like, all this shit's happening. That's got to be weird, right? Oh, yeah. It was funny. I was just like, fuck, you know, what's, this simulation is weird.

All of a sudden, you feel like you got famous haters. Like, you used to reading a lot of YouTube comments about yourself, but you got Justin Bieber wanting to see you go down. That's a weird new thing. Yeah. And it was so funny just to see. like hands in his head just like oh my god Logan you fuck this the Drew hoodie he shows up wearing his own merch

that's so funny because that's like Justin Bieber is basically a YouTuber now because he just shows up wearing his own merch he's just like all of us oh man and yeah even in the ring I was like mouthing to him he didn't rip my head off yeah yeah he didn't win though and literally Justin Bieber was just there like cool cool mate yeah he was pissed I loved it It's got to feel really good to feel like you're like a hero to your country. Yeah, no, I legit.

Like, when I walk down the streets of London, it's mad, man. It's mad. Like, I literally can't, like, I can't walk outside for too long. I'll say, I just get mobbed, man. Or people are just like, oh, shit, that's scared. Oh, my God, don't go. And then just a swarm appears. But, yeah, like, yeah, every, like, I'm getting sick of people getting,

I'm getting sick of people actually congratulate. me. Right. Because it's like, what do you really have to say at this point? I'm just like, oh, thanks, man. Oh, congrats. Oh, thanks. I'll congrats. Literally, constantly. Like, even when I went out, it was just all the time, I was like, oh, my gosh, I never thought I'd be sick of it. Yeah. But, yeah, no, it's, it's, obviously, it's a good feeling. And, yeah, I feel, I feel good that I was able to, you know, do my country proud. Right. And hopefully AJ can do the same. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not, you know, it's a, uh,

England isn't a country that is... They're not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You know, they're very suspicious of everybody. They're very... They're concerned with what they're going to get behind. So it's like to have their support has got to mean a lot, I think. Yeah, I mean... Especially as a YouTuber because you're kind of in a position where you're famous,

but a lot of people don't know what to make of you. And they don't know if they should take you serious or not. So then this creates like a narrative and an arc that just sort of gives everybody something. that they can respect and understand. Exactly, exactly. And I feel like that's what's helped me a lot with my fan base. So like obviously because I'm a YouTuber and I do music and all this, you know, you can have like a maybe of a young audience.

But because of the whole boxing, I feel like that's helped me connect my older audience with the younger audience, etc. So it doesn't feel as corny or as weird to, you know, be a fan of me compared to you. compared to before the boxing. Do you think you ever got too into the YouTube game of just making content and you got to the point where you weren't necessarily hyped on the shit you were doing? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think that happens to everyone.

We all have. Yeah, you just get to a point where you're just like, I'm just doing this for the sake of doing it. Right. Or this is what the people want to see. But, you know, a lot of times, that's why I'm doing different things all the time. That's why I'm always doing music or I'm either doing YouTube or am I ever doing boxing or I'm always just doing.

doing something with the side men, except. Like, it's always different. So it always seems fresh for me for everything I do. Yeah. No, yeah, you got to do that for sure. At this point, like, you've had enough time. Have you been able to, like, get back to normal life at all? Not really, not really.

Like, I mean, I got back to England and chilled for a bit, you know, went out. I saw some friends. I went to see Cal for his birthday. And yeah, I just, you know, enjoyed myself there. But I haven't really like, it hasn't really like properly settled in. I haven't really like embraced it all. Like a couple normal days in a row at home. You haven't really got to that yet?

I mean, I've kind of, I have, but I mean like I've just stayed in my room. I just play Caller Judy. Right. I love the new Call of Julie. Really? Yeah. That's what I sit. And yeah, and that's, yeah, I pretty much just eat, train a bit and then sleep.

Cool of Judy. It's got to be weird because, you know, as a person doing the YouTube thing, doing the video game thing, you are very much used to spending quite a bit of time alone. And then through all this, it's like you're just thrown into this crazy machine where everybody, especially after you win, everybody wants to party 24-7 and stuff. It must be hard for you to say, no, I'm going to stay in today. Yeah, so it got to that point when we're in Vegas where I was like, yeah, I'm going to stay this one out. Because everyone, like, in LA, like, on the night, I won the fight, we parted hard.

We're going crazy. Literally, everyone came through, everyone, man. I had, like, it was still to the point where there was, like, literally no space on the tables. We had, like, two or three tables, and there just wasn't space. Right. And, you know, we went hard, and then we went to Vegas, went hard there each day to the point where I was like, I'm going to have to, like, stuff this. Especially after being healthy for all that time. Yeah, for so long. And the thing is I can only drink like once. Right. And then I'm there like I'm already like drunk or I'm already like tipsy as

hell. You can't do a lot of days in a row of drinking? No, no, man. I pass that point. Like I'm 26 now. I can't, I can't move like I was when I was like 21. Really? 20. Yeah. See that the English might not appreciate that sentiment. Oh, no, no, man. I've become. a lightweight but obviously when you don't drink for how many months it's going to fetch you so is that hard to not like fucking party and stuff like oh no no it's easy like for me like i'm not i'm not really a party guy anyway right yeah i feel like for someone like logan i think it was definitely hard for him yeah you believe they he didn't a nut for three months ah no like i don't buy i mean i i i'm not before the fight yeah three months i'm not the day before the fight right yeah yeah i mean i mean

It didn't make a difference. I could understand giving it a couple days. No, it don't make a difference, man. If anything, you want, you don't, yeah, I don't think it. I don't think it matters. So you're not doing No Nut November. You have any thoughts on that? I'm slamming, bro.

I'm smashing pussy, bro. If you win a fight of that magnitude and you don't have some sort of celebratory nut, then. Oh, yeah, no, of course. Literally on the day after winning, yeah, I bust. Of course. Right. I had to, man. No, Not November canceled.

Yeah. No, fuck. that. We tried, but it just doesn't seem like it's working out. Oh, man. So when you, is it, is it weird to have to put, like, the YouTube shit to the side while you're really focused on the training? Is it hard to give all these different things you're all? I'd say it was kind of hard when I was in England, but then it got actually easier when I went to Vegas. In Vegas, literally, I couldn't do the YouTube shit. I literally didn't have my camera, didn't have my computer, didn't have anything. So I was like, I can't do it. So how long

do you do a training camp out there? So for four weeks. Yeah, four weeks, including the fight week. Is that just like complete solitude? How many hours a day are you working? Oh, man, it was, it's actually hell. It's actually hell. But it's got to feel incredible to just be 100% focused on it. Oh, yeah, of course, of course. But like, I'd say, how many hours? It's like maybe like five, six hours. a day and like every day except for Saturday and Sunday but on the Saturday I did mountain runs

Wow yeah so that was that was that was hard and at certain points you just feel like your knees are going to give out or that your muscles are so sore that this isn't healthy well I mean I had to recover right yeah so I'd have ice baths or I'd just you know do certain

things to make sure I recovered right and just bro I rested a lot I had a lot of rest. I take naps all the time. It's all important just to recover. Yeah. And when you're not, like you wouldn't think that just,

you know, making YouTube videos and gaming and doing all these things really take that much energy. But in truth, when you take certain parts of your life serious, it's like you can't give the training your full all when you're like, have so many different little pieces that you have to attend to.

Yeah, yeah. So it's, yeah, it's just, it's a lot. It's a lot with the whole YouTube and stuff. That's why I think it was a good idea. me going to Vegas. What part?

What's the biggest improvement in you as a fighter in terms of, is your cardio improved significantly? Is your technique? If anything, it was literally just the mindset, man. It was just the mindset. Like, you know, technique, I worked on technique, but I think the occasion got to me. Right. And, you know, I was just getting frustrated that he wasn't trying to fight me.

Like, he was just pussying out the whole fucking time, man. It was so frustrating. Like, he literally, I don't think he threw more than three punches. Right. Yeah. He holly through the right. It was literally like he was just jab run, jab run, jab run. I'm there like, let's fucking go.

You wanted the first round decapitate me. They're saying the first round decapitating, you know, movement. Right. So I didn't know what he was on and it was pissing me off. So that's why I kind of just started swinging. Right. Because I was like, I'm gonna fuck you up. And yeah, he got so lucky.

Some of those just missed. But obviously with his fucking style, he's always leaning his head back. So I always had to just aim for his fucking body. Because I knew, you know, you can move the head back, but you can't move the body. The body will always stay there. So, yeah. So what's going through your head during the series of punches

that led to him getting the two points taken away? Like, how are you perceiving that in that moment? So first round, I'm there like, oh, okay, aim for his body. Because I know this guy is going to be like, oh, first round of the capitation. And I was like, all right, you know, he might actually come swinging. He didn't, after like a minute. So I just, you know, kept aiming for his body.

I knew his head was never going to be there. And then, yeah, it just worked. I stayed offline. Closed off the ring when I could. And, yeah, pretty much did this for three rounds, except with the third round. Gone with a knot down. Right. But a recent counter saw it as a slip, but I was on the replay.

Everyone knows it's a knock down. And then, yeah, fourth round, you know, I was just doing the same thing. And he caught me with a good variety of. I was like yeah fair play and then obviously he held my head to try and get me again. I think he knew he hit me with the right upper cut but I wasn't like fucked I was still like punch I was still like trying to find my way and punch so I think he was just like I need to really like make sure I and and JJ here with this next uppercut. It was like he was so into it that he just had to keep punching and like he forgot he was

in a boxing match. I think he was just frustrated with like after the first, the three rounds, he was just there like, oh man, like I'm getting beat here. So he was just like, he had to do something. And I guess, yeah, because you got to remember, like, he hit me with the uppercut and then held my head uppercut and then hit me twice going down, yeah, in the back of the head. So, you know, you keep saying it's love taps, but, you know, like, you can, like, you can, like, love tap someone, especially with 10 ounce gloves.

Like, love type isn't, like, that will, you. still do a lot of damage. And it's the intent too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the fact that he kind of swung in that way that maybe it didn't hit that great, but it easily could have hit better. It's 12 to 6. Like you never need to do a punch 12 to 6 in boxing. Right. And for him to do that, it just showed like he was trying to pretty much, you know, end me, drop me, you know, like finish me in the fight. So for him, I think when as soon as I got up like instantly, he was there like, I saw his face and he was there like, fucking out, man. We gotta keep going.

He's not, he's just like, this guy's a fucking dog, man. He just don't start. I am, bro. Like, yeah, like, for me, because I've worked so hard for everything I've done, man, like, you're not going to easily just take it away for me like that. I'm going to make you fucking work for it. And, yeah, he just wasn't prepared for that. And, you know, I thought he would have the same mentality, but, I mean, it depends.

Like, for him, he's only recently been popular for, like, last two, three years. So maybe he hasn't worked as hard as I have to get who I am So he doesn't appreciate as much I guess you are more of a veteran YouTuber Yeah I've been doing it for 10 plus years man This is old news to you Like you've kind of been running this for a long Yeah exactly

I forget because you're young Yeah because I'm 26 So we were just like oh he's only recently blown up No man I've been here for time You were big at a time When a lot of people now Didn't even know about any YouTube Yeah exactly

Back when it was still this weird kind of Yeah yeah Now it's way more mainstream. People don't even remember people like Hutch or C-Nanas or blame truth. See myself included, yeah. No clue. Legit. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, because it hits mainstream, now everyone's like,

oh shit, it's cool. Even people like, now that ninjas, you know, mainstream, they're like, oh shit, yeah, this whole streaming thing is cool. But it's like, you know, people have been streaming for years, man. Like I remember I used to fucking stream back in like 2012. in 2011 on Twitch and you know it's just one of the things like I know where I'm at

it's just trying to show everyone or get everyone to keep up essentially could you not enjoy would you not be enjoying your life if you kind of made that a central part of your life again the streaming thing like is there some part of you that's like man you know if I went hard with that shit I could be

bigger than ninja no no no I mean I you're a competitive guy I think yeah if I really wanted to be insane streaming then yeah I'd be insane at streaming pretty much if I put my mind

to something I'll be sick at it that's just how I how I see it yeah but it's kind of like you know you're YouTube like you could you could definitely go a lot harder with the YouTube thing if you really were trying to chase PewDie Puzz numbers or some shit like that with the daily uploads you've gone in a different

direction with the boxing thing yeah I think yeah it's just that's just how I am like after what I can go hard at something but after a while I need to put my focus on something else and then because it's just therapeutic like I can't just stick to doing something all the time I can't just do one thing I have to change up that's just how I am has your success made you lazy in anyone my success no no I have anything again me changing up doesn't make me lazy it always drives me it makes everything new right so like yeah no I don't I think I don't get lazy. I kind of just take breaks.

Right. Yeah, I just take breaks because sometimes it's good to take breaks. Right. Yeah, else you just burn out, man. I mean, you have like the room to care more about your mental health or whatever.

Yeah, the experience of being the celebrity. Whereas a lot of people, when they need to make X amount of dollars to make, you know, shit happen in their life, then they don't really have that option to, like, step back. Yeah, and it's a shame, man.

like yeah it's just one of those things where sometimes well i guess you can't like if you need the money then sometimes you just have to do it but like yeah it's you should always like care about your your health man it's so no it's so important like you are so important as a person you need to make sure you take care of yourself uh you know money comes and goes but like you're there once and that's it So how much did it bother you in this drama with Dejy was going down in the public eye? Uh, it bothered me a lot, man. Because it's very personal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought it was quite funny when a lot of people said it was a fake. Right. Yeah, I was just like, why would I want to fake this? Yeah, this isn't something I would fake. I don't fake anything, man. So for this, yeah, when this happened, I was just like, come on, man. Right. Now I was trying so desperately to make it private, but yeah, yeah, he didn't want it. But I mean, it's, it's somewhat sort of now. It is? So what terms are you guys on now? Do you see each other at family stuff?

Well, I mean, we're going to see each other at Christmas. So I guess we'll talk there. But yeah, no, we'll just chat. I know it's, yeah, our relationship's interesting. Because you'd like to think that anything between brothers could be played out in private and doesn't ever have to make its way to YouTube. I think he's just, I think he's just a bit lost in the system of, you know, fame and just numbers. Right. Yeah, I think he gets to him too much, where he just focuses too much on, like, subscribers or views and just other stuff as well. So it's kind of like, I don't know, he just, he doesn't really find, like, values in certain things. Right.

If that makes sense. I don't know. He just doesn't, I don't know. He doesn't value relationships. He much rather, like, take, I guess, I don't know, just, he'd rather just, you'd rather just, I don't know. I mean, it's weird to be... He just does...

It's weird to be famous for... Yeah, he's a funny guy. Being a part of something bigger, like an overall thing. You know, he's never going to really be able to escape being just your brother. But the thing that's a shame about it. I think that kind of affects him a bit. Yeah.

I think I'm... Yeah, I think that annoys him a lot. Because it's kind of like he's always in my shadow. And I think he always wants to break out. But then he gets annoyed because he kind of needs me at the same time. So it's kind of like weird. And yeah, I don't know.

Like obviously he's doing his own thing. And he's almost going to hit 10 million subscribers, which is sick. I mean, it's the kind of thing where he really just needs to focus on him and his content what he wants to do. But the problem is, is that if he goes and makes content about X outside of anything involving you or whatever, it's going to do what it's going to do. But then if he makes a video saying, my brother did this, it's going to get however many multiple times the views.

And when you're YouTube, where it's easy to get caught up on thinking that that's the only thing that matters you know yeah that's why he needs to just not focus on the views he needs to just you know make content that he wants to make but you know i'm sure he knows all of this i mean i'm sure he knows like you know how to get views right so like if he needs to get views he'll just do videos about me or and then if he wants to do content about what he wants to make then yeah you'll just make it i've been in that position though where you have friends and they start to just fucking make videos and just use your name to get more views

than they would normally get. It's sort of a disgusting feeling because it's like, I'm used to my fans doing this shit and it's fine. I just accept it from them. I think it's all right. I mean, it's YouTube. That's kind of the game.

And like, people are always going to just use my name. Like, it's just how it is. Like, I'm a popular guy. I just bring views. Like, having my name brings views. But it's like, you just got to, you know, I just, if anything, I embrace it because it's just like, you know, I'm helping out everyone else. Yeah, like, you know, I've already made my bread, so it's cool if other people

can make bread, et cetera. For sure. Do you, how do you feel like your, is there a part of you that wants to refocus on the rap thing? People don't know that the video for the song with Rick Ross and Little Baby came out like an hour ago. Yeah, yeah. I think it's almost on like two something million. Right. Yeah, so it's crazy video. Literally. Yeah, I, mate. End of the world type video. I was gas, man. Like, even when I was filming the music video. Even like when I got the tracks,

the verses back from Lil Baby and Rick Ross, oh man, it was, yeah, it's a real moment, man. And I just, you know, I just took a step back and I was like, damn, what is my life? My life is mad. Why did you decide on them, of all rappers, to try to reach out to? I thought Rick Ross, like, would be sick anyway.

Like, I'm a big fan of Rick Ross. So I just think like his flow, especially on, because he's done something similar with Purple Lamborghini, I was like this would be, you know, a smash. It just makes sense. And with a little baby, obviously, you know, little baby's popping as well as, you know, I just wanted something different. I didn't because I was like, me and Rick Quartz might be kind of similar with how we, how we, how we, how we, what's the word, how we rap or how we, not flow, but how we. A couple crime bosses. Yeah You know

But I Like drug kingpins Yeah But I just thought Little baby would just add a little bit A little different cells You don't want to just have You know

Three of the same people Yeah Doing the exact same thing So And SX on the hook How the Yeah I mean Just had to be

He's the guy He's the guy who made the beat Oh He made the beat And you know He gave it to me With the beat And the hook

Right So I was like Yeah This is this is the one That's fire Yeah. How do you feel like, do you feel like that's something that you're likely to do is sort of like go all in again on the music side of things? Yeah, I mean, I've always been like all in with the music.

It's just that just shit gets in the way. So like, you know, like I released an album this year with Randolph like New Age, but like release like 10 tracks. And, you know, we were working on that for time. And, you know, it's so exciting to like release it. And yeah, I'm always trying to do more music. It's just obviously just shit gets in the way with the YouTube or boxing. Do you care about your respect as like a real rapper? Like is that something that you in some way feel like you're kind of fighting for?

No, I don't care about that, man. Like people are, you know, going to say what they say. Because I came from YouTube, people are going to be like, oh, you know, you're not a real rapper or you're not this or not. I don't get a fuck, man. I'm going to make music that I want to make and I'm going to do what I want to do. Like, you know, I got into this position by doing what I want to do and not caring what people say. Right. So why should I care now?

Because it's to do with rap. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Fuck it. Do you, do you watch Top Boy? Yeah, of course. Crazy, right?

Yeah, I thought it's sick. They really made me want to just hit the streets and become a road man. In it. Fuck's sake, man. In it. Oh, God. I'm back on In It as well. Yeah.

In it is, yeah. On the real, man. You got any other, like, good UK slime? you want to put us on that we don't people at home might not know about uh uh give me give me some i got put on techie you say techie techie techie no i don't know what techie something shitty is just techie my boy sashi you know who told me that one oh butters butters what's that mean so like if i'm like oh that dude's buzz what would you think that is it's just he's dope smooth

No, man I'm pretty sure that used to be like 90s slang or something If someone called you buzz I'd swing You should swing, yeah I mean what like just soft? No, ugly bro

Yeah So like What's that come from Is there like a soccer player And then butters or some shit That's where all y'all slang comes up No, I don't even fucking know man Legit like

I don't know It's just people just say it Just butter Yeah, butters I like that I can roll with that What was it like being Rick Ross And a little baby

What did they seem to think of you It was actually crazy Like with Rick Ross He just fully respect to me Like he was like Yeah for you to get in the ring like that And do your thing He's got to respect that

Yeah I fuck with that a lot And he's like I love how you've got The young generation supporting you As well as the older generation Like you've got a good You've just found the right niche and you're just doing your thing. So, yeah, he was just spitting words of wisdom in my ear.

Wow. And, yeah, he was, yeah, it was, bro, he, like, followed me first on Instagram as well. Wow. And shit, I was there like, oh, shit. So, yeah, like, yeah, no, he's a big inspiration, man. That's crazy. I just think, yeah, I fuck with right cross so much, man. Ruh.

Yeah, the boss. The biggest boss. Yeah. I've seen those far. A little baby, man. Little baby, you know, he's his own man. And like he's just, yeah, he's a cool guy. And he was so funny, he was talking to me about, he was like,

I'm kind of interested in this whole boxing thing. Really? He was like, how can I get involved with the shit? I was like, you know. He could become a promoter or some shit. Yeah, well, I know. I think he wanted to, you know, swing as well. I think he wanted to actually fight.

Like, yeah, I think he's about, I mean, obviously he's about that life. So. That would be so insane. Yeah, like a rapper like him do it? I don't know. It's like, I know. Young thug? You know, Chris Brown.

No, but I mean if the Soldier Boy and Who's he supposed to fight Chris Brown? If that fight had happened Oh man Then I think you would be looking at it Like a totally different world Of rappers fighting each other

If something that day happens It'd be like death jam Oh my God It would be like real life death jam I'm fucking nuts with that I would have to watch that Oh shit My ludicrous

Oh my God doing this fucking thing Do you think that this is gonna lead That there's a future coming where there's going to be a lot more of these sort of like influencer, YouTuber style fights? You feel like you guys kind of broke the door open? I think it's yes and no.

I think it depends. Like, not many people can do what I do, I feel. Because it's a lot on the line. It's risky. Like, very risky. It's like my whole legacy risky. And once you lose, it's kind of like, fuck, where do I go from here?

Isn't it weird that it's that important? Yeah. Should it be that important? But it is. But it fucking is, man. Like, imagine, yeah, you lose. And then you can't make certain music anymore. That's it.

You're there. Like, you can't be like, oh, you know, I fuck. I don't take L's. I'm the best. You can't do that shit. Because everyone would be like, why you're rapping? No, you're the best, but you got fucked up by my man.

You know what I mean? Like, that's just how it is. So you always got to, yeah, I think like a lot of rappers or a lot of celebrities would probably stay away from it because they're afraid that their whole legacy would just be fucked up on that one moment. Yeah, and it's weird because you'd think,

and like when you hear Logan talk about it and stuff, it's like, we made all this money, we did all this, I didn't get beat up that bad. I don't give a fuck. It's true, though. It's like you understand, you can understand his position, but at the same time, he has to say that.

What is that thing? Even though it's like neither you's identity is based on being tough. You guys are what you are, regardless of the fighting thing, but it still matters so much. Yeah, so much. And that's what I was like, yeah, He's there like, oh, look at this, you know, we've made this, we've made history.

It's, you know, a huge event, blah, blah, blah. Biggest zone numbers ever. But I was like, you still lost, bro. Right. And like forever, like forever he will always be seen as the guy who lost the KSI. Right. And like, imagine, imagine that. Oh, that fucking sucks, man.

And that's why I trained so hard, bro. That's why I trained. Fucking hell I train, you felt like you push yourself as hard as you possibly could. I pushed myself to the fucking brain because I was like, I do not want for the rest of my life to be the guy who lost to Logan Paul.

Oh my God, man. How do you feel about the fact that your performance was so motivating that you had like other people beating the shit out of each other in the stands, including Vitaly and Bradley Martin? So you've got like very high tier YouTubers assaulting each other, perhaps because they're so motivated

by watching you. No, but Vitaly's an idiot, man. No, Vita, like, I think he was on something as well. Like,

he just, yeah, like, I don't know what's wrong with him, man. Him fighting Bradley doesn't seem a good idea. No,

no, no, he's two hundred and sixty pounds. Yeah, he was just, fuck him out. You just, like,

weight-wise, you just, yeah, it's a bad one. Yeah, it's just long. Yeah. But, uh,

yeah, like, I'd, I'd fought both of them up, though. You'd think? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You take on Bradley? 260 pounds? Yeah, of course. What's the catch weight for that? Like, I'd have to, like, you'd have to, you'd have to, you'd have to lose a bit of weight. You'd have to lose a KSI. Holy shit. Because if I have to, like, all else I have to bulk up a lot, man.

I'll be long. Yeah, I don't know if I'd be able to even happen. No. Yeah, yeah, there's no part of you that wants to just, like, put on, like, an extra 50 pounds being heavyweight or something. Oh, my gosh, man. Like, yeah, no, it's long as long as that. What, uh, there's no. Are you thinking about fighting Quadeca next?

No. No, I love Quadeca, man. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah. What about Dax? I fuck him up.

Yeah, yeah, no, fuck him up. Yeah, yeah, fully. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'll beat the shit out of him. Is that somebody that it might make sense for you to fight? I'd love to, but he ain't going to fight me. Really? Yeah, yeah, he's a pussy.

100%. Yeah, no, he's a fucking pussy. Yeah, I think, was it 92.8? or 92.3 It was 92.3 yesterday. Yeah, we were just chatting away. And I, you know, I mentioned Dax and one of the guys was like, oh, yeah, I know Dax. Actually, let me call him real quick.

Didn't pick up. He didn't. Obviously, yeah. And he did, but he replied. Yeah. He said, why? Why? Are you sitting there, like, silently laughing when you see something happen like that clip with the

Tory Lanes' goons? Yeah, I thought it's hilarious. I thought it's hilarious. I fucking, boy, I did a whole video on that. Oh, you did. did. Yeah, yeah. But you're not silently laughing.

You're not afraid to be the asshole. I was out there laughing. I played that shit so many times. Say sorry, digger. Say sorry. Shout out to Dax. Dax is my boy. Fuck Dax, man.

Fuck Dax, man. So have you thought past Logan, though? Have you thought about who would be an opponent that would kind of make sense going from here? I mean, right now, obviously, this is the whole Jake Poole situation. and obviously there's a lovely art there like he beat my brother I beat his it's crazy like I thought You can fight his dad next

Shut out Greg I thought so I thought I was gonna fight Jake Paul first Beat Jake and then have the big You know finale with Logan I was like yeah this is gonna be insane But Jake is a pussy man Jake you know chats all this shit

But he don't want it Logan actually you know came with it Right so I was like all right cool And then everyone's like I just know where you're going to beat Logan, blah, blah, I beat Logan. Now Jake wants to come up and be like, oh, yeah, I want to avenge my bro. I just think he's mad. But, yeah, no, I was just like, there's no point me fighting Jake right now because he beat my bro.

And I'd slap my bro. Like, yeah, me and my bro, like, it's, there's not, not even a challenge. Like, like, I thought, well, I know, it's just not even a challenge. But, um, and then obviously, obviously, I beat. Logan. Right. So, and I think Logan would beat Jake. So I'm there like, you know, why would people be hyped about this fight?

But the way that they're trying to spin it, they're trying to say Jake is a, he's a warrior, a killer. So that's why I'm like, all right, let's have Jake fight Gibb. Okay, prove yourself Jake. Show that you're sick. But I think Gibbs can fuck him up. And then that's going to give Gibb the come up that we all want. See, that's why we need a YouTube. Dana White.

Like somebody to enforce the matchups that should happen because in the UFC, you can't really shy away from like a good fight that's supposed to do. I think Eddie is just trying to be that guy. He's trying to be that guy. He loved this man. He loved the whole, the whole like build up and everything. He was, bro, he was just smiling the whole time. He was like, yo.

It was a lot of fun. Yeah, he just saw dollar signs and he was just like, yo, like I don't even need to do anything. They're just doing everything. It's great. Like they know how to market themselves. They're just, whoa. Whereas normally like, you know, with boxes, they're just there like, oh, you know, they're also tame and boring.

Eddie, you're going to have to, you know, promote me. Did you see that like got the thought before you? He looked like a crazy fucking mutant or some shit. He looks wild. You probably weren't paying attention. But there was a dude fighting before you that looked crazy. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Okay. I had Keemstar and Fayes Banks on here and they were saying, I saw that. They're saying that you could have made $10 million up this. I made enough. Okay. I made enough. Ten million is a little optimistic?

I made enough. Okay. I made enough. I only made $900,000. Yeah, that's all I made. Really? Yes. That's what you're reporting for taxes or something?

That's all I made. 900,000. Right. Yeah. Enough. Enough. That's just enough? 900,000.

Damn. What those UK taxes like? Are they destroying you? 900,000 what's it mean to have a dude's like like it's the IRA man

oh IRA man god damn right so you're pro Brexit uh I don't even know what's going on with that man you don't pay attention to that I just don't want to get involved it's all a bit mad

I wonder we should just stayed remained right yeah I was a big remain seems like the consensus yeah and now it's just like we were so fucking people people sold lies right that's why they vote leave man and now we're just in a fucked up situation now people are gonna suffer because of it right but uh yeah it's but i think that they're not going to leave they're gonna figure out a way to stay i don't know man i don't know yeah uh do you feel like this this whole thing do you think it's a good

motivational tool you feel like a lot of kids are going to get into boxing and maybe take more pride in like the physical i get messages all the time of people say saying yeah oh i like you've inspired me so much like right i saw you as that fifa gaming nerd and you've come to a professional fight and beating logan poor like i was just scared that you wouldn't be able to beat him look how big he is and all this and that and you've slapped him up and you just made me just believe in myself on all this i go i get this all the time right all the time on my dms Twitter, DMs, or just tweets in general, or YouTube comments, and it's sick. Like, yeah, it's crazy.

Like, how many kids I've inspired, man. Yeah. And, like, bro, I get message with people who weren't even fans of boxing. Right. They're like, you know, I got worldwide fans. So, you know, some people only care about the music. Some people only care about YouTube. Some people only care about the boxing.

And, you know, a lot of the YouTube music side were, like, I think. care about the boxing but like now I'm just fully invested. Right. And now you've got people, you know, who wouldn't even be interested in boxing, now watching other boxes fight. Right. Like, yeah, it's crazy. Like now, you know, someone like Billy Joe Sanders, like, people know of his name properly

now. Like, even in the young generation, same with Haynie. Right. So it's, yeah, like, I think the fight did so much for boxing. Because when we look at like the shit that we're trying to keep kids away from, whether it's drugs or violence or whatever. It's like they just need good, compelling hobbies, shit to keep them motivated and focused on something positive.

Yeah, boxing is great, man. It really, like, matures you. It really matures you. It'll really, like, if you're walking around, if you're a kid and you think you're hot shit, you think the toughest motherfucker in the world, it's like a very good way for you to get humbled. Yeah, exactly.

Get punched in the face a few times. Yeah, yeah, and you'll see, yeah, exactly. Or at least I would think. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't always play out like that. I don't know. Do you think Logan's going to have any luck questioning the two-point judgment?

Are you in any way expecting that? No chance. No, nothing's going to come out of that. Literally. Like, yeah, I think everyone can see he's just being the sore loser right now.

And it's just, it's just cringy, man. It's kind of like you lost and there isn't really any way of you, you know, winning or coming out of this a winner. Like, even if, okay, let's say,

it does happen like it's minus it's minus one so minus two like it's still a draw and he's there like yeah I'm fighting for a draw it's kind of just it's just cringe it's just weird so it's kind of like yeah I know it's just sad how'd you feel when he said let's do it again on stage I was like I knew it I was bro it's because you got nothing left it's literally I've I've brought him back from of hell and I've thrown him back there again. And like while doing that, I took everything I needed from him. Yeah, I literally used him up and threw him back into the fucking bin. Right.

So. Do you think it makes sense for you to fight somebody else after this? Yeah, no, it doesn't make sense for me to fight Logan again. Right. Why would I fight Logan again? Bro, I was the champion. He had two chances to beat me. And he failed twice.

And he's there like, nine out of ten times I beat KSI. Right. But you fought me twice and you didn't win. So, you know, where's the logic? You're not making sense here. There's just a lot more for him to gain from that than you. Like if he wants to fight me, he's going to have to beg. I want him to make videos of him begging.

Right. Yeah, yeah, on his knees being like, G. KSI. I need this fight. I need you to help me and my career. Please, I need this. I need this so much. I want him to fucking beg. That would be some good content.

Yeah. I can get behind them. that. Yeah, and I want him to call himself a fucking bitch. I want him to call himself a pussy. I'm a bitch. I'm a pussy. Like, fuck me and my fans. You're kind of a sadistic guy. You don't want to torture your enemies?

But I love it, bro. I work all for it so I can do it the fuck I want, man. Right. Yeah, so, yeah, fuck him, man. Yeah. So is that... Fuck him and Dax. Were you thinking... Was there a part of you, though, that, like, you know, there's a part of you that when the fight's over, you want to be

like, hey, man, respect, blah, stop talking shit, no, you're gonna stay consistent. So I wanted to go in, like I wanted to fuck him up after the fight. I wanted to literally just go in because obviously there was a lot of shit talk and he was the first one in the competition and all this shit.

And, you know, he's just acting like a fucking moron. So I was like, all right, cool, I'm going to fuck you up. And I had Larry Wade. Oh, Larry Wade just in the back, just outside of the Rangers challenge. respect respect respect because I started off I was there like oh I'm happy you know I was able to shot you up

and I was pointing at Shannon Briggs right and then you know Shannon was like yo man what the foot and legit was Lyra's there like respect respect respect respect guys come on respect so at that point I was like alright fine fuck it and that's why when he asked me like the guy from second second's out was there like Rahim, yeah, was there like, something about respect or blah, blah, blah.

I paused because that was me just being like, I want to fucking go in with you right now. And then obviously, Larry Witt was like respect, respect. So I was like, you know what? At least I have to respect the fact that you went in the ring. Right. You might not like the guy, but you got to respect the fact that. Because not many people can do that.

Yeah. It's a very small amount of people that can get in the ring in front of those people and put their legacy on the line. And it's a very intimate thing to be sharing this much space in your brain with this other dude for all these months. Yeah, yeah. It's like you guys have this strange connection despite not really interacting with each other that much.

Well, I mean, he interacted with me quite a bit. Right. I mean, you're talking shit on Twitter. You do the press conference shit, you know. But, yeah, no, it's, yeah, it's a crazy thing. But now do you feel like you're in a weird position? Because, you know, Logan is a. rare example of somebody who is a super big YouTuber and is, you know, physically capable of taking

you on. It was a good matchup. Now when you think about it, it's like there's very specific few opportunities that might make sense because if you go and fight some dope boxer, but he's not famous, it's not going to be that big of a deal. And that's what I mean is pointless. So, no, I'm in like the best position possible. Right. Like right now, you know, I can focus on like the music. I can focus on the YouTube. And I'm talking with Eddie about finding different celebrities. So like for me, it's kind of like outside YouTube. Outside YouTube, exactly.

So it's kind of like, again, pushing me into that mainstream area while still being able to do the YouTube and the music. So yeah, I'm able to just do everything and just boost everything from that. Is there a part of you that just when you look, at yourself and what you might be doing in 10 or 20 years. Do you want to be, you know, one of the biggest, most well-known celebrities? I guess you pretty much are.

But, like, you know, when you think about it, like, you know, could you see yourself just going full movie star with it? Like, is that something that you can see yourself really chasing after that mega-star position? Is that important to you? I don't know. Like, I always set goals for myself and I just smash them every time. It's kind of weird.

Like, when does that stop? Well, I'm getting to a point where I kind of just go with a, flow. And then, you know, I just see what works. I just see what works. That's just it. Like, because yeah, I was there like, okay, I want to get 10 million subscribers. You know, I smashed that.

I was like, I want to get 20 million. I was like, smash that. I was like, oh, is there any point me getting 30 million? Like, you know, it's like, I guess that's cool, but like, you know, I feel the same way after when you, I was so thirsty for that million. And after that million, it's like, all right, I can, I can relax now. Yeah, exactly. So I'm kind of, that's why like,

I just focus on other things, just and then I just, yeah, I just go with the flow. With music, you know, right now it's just killing it. Right. Like the song man, down like that, is just going going ham. It's going ham. Like, especially in the UK, man,

top 20 and it's just climbing and like my Spotify numbers are like killing it. And like, it's crazy. Stormsy released a music video six hours before me. Stormsie and Ed Shearin and who's the banner boy the fake edge here no

no no this one right away that was not in here I know it was fucking crazy because I was just like why is he acting so shy I was like this dude does not seem like a famous person

the way he's acting because he's by himself totally quiet and stuff I'm like he looks a lot like Ed Shearing but nothing about him being Ed Shearer seems to make sense to me exactly

but yeah so they released that track six hours ago and like you know I released my track my track six hours after and like view eyes on YouTube I'm smashing them. So you want to beef with Stormsy? Fight Stormsy actually even

I mean I'd beat Stormsy if I was to fight him. But I mean the thing is it's like I don't need a fight every rapper like Right but you could It's cool that could be a good option But for me it's kind of like You know obviously I'd love to make music with them

Bugsy Malone You ever seen him? Yeah yeah but I love Bogsy man No Bogsy no Bogsy's so oh man I fuck Skepta. I fuck his stuff. You don't think you could fuck him up or you just wouldn't want him?

No, I just, I wouldn't want him, man. There's certain people I wouldn't want to fuck up. Right. Like, I don't know, I just, I just,

I love that music. Are you at all invested in the, I love them as a person? Are you invested in the skepta Adele relationship? Do we know where that's at? I have no idea. That is one of the best things I ever heard of in my life. Yeah,

yeah, I was like, I want that to happen. I really want that. I think that'd be great for the culture, man. For the world. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh.

Like, forget the queen and the king. Such talent colliding. It's just crazy to think about. Yeah. Unreal. Yeah. I'm happy, too, that you kind of have helped bring Jamie out of retirement over the past couple. He wasn't around for a while, right?

I mean, no, he's still about. When I met him, he told me, he's like, I ain't put out music for, like, a long-ass time. He's just annoying. Like, he just needs to, he needs to release, like, he's got so much music. Just waiting. He just needs to release it. And we keep bugging him, like, just release. He's just got that music, man.

And, like, he's got music videos just ready and everything. He's like, he's got bangers, man. And he just doesn't release it. He's too low-key, too humble. He just does his own thing, man. He's his own guy. And obviously, you have to respect it because he's just sick of what he does. You got to respect somebody who doesn't give his shit about proving themselves to that.

Yeah, exactly. He's the only person, one of the only people that's ever come up to me and told me that they were a fan of me because of my Tetris uploads. Oh. Because I streamed Tetris videos sometimes. And he told me, he's like, I didn't even know you could win that game until I saw you play it. And then I went and I worked at it until I won. Damn. That was such a crazy honor.

I didn't know. Wow. No, like, I'm like at Tetris, I'm like Ninja. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm like, wait, I didn't even know you can win Tetris. Tetris 99 for Switch is like, it's like a battle royale thing where you're playing against 99 other people. Oh, whoa. And you just, you get lines and you blast lines of damage.

everybody else and it's like bro it gets so fast pace at the end i want to send a shout out to wumbo there's this dude wumbo if you go watch him on fucking youtube he's it's it's offensive i don't understand how his brain can work this fast oh shit well and this is good done done i need to crushing it oh my but it's really technical because it's not just getting the tetrises like four lines at once there's t spins there's all kinds oh shit it's insane yeah i'm not like you should try it honestly it might be big for you i'm terrible i'm terrible you change of career yeah

yeah uh shit all right man it's honestly it's an honor that we finally got you in here I consider my podcast to be kind of

the YouTube rap collision and that's very you yeah yeah yeah yeah you're kind of one of the biggest ones we could get you know

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okay so I appreciate you Thank you for having me, man. Yeah, a long time coming. And huge respect for all the people that you're motivating out there, go find another YouTuber of a similar stature and beat them up for the culture. That's what it's all about. We'll do, man. We'll do.

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