No Jumper - The Kurupt Interview: Gambling, Alcohol, Gangbanging, Tupac, DMX & More

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

Kurupt shares legendary stories about Snoop, DMX, 2Pac, Dre, being on Lil Uzi’s top 5 rappers, gambling in Vegas, new project HRSMN with Canibus, Ras Kass and Killah Priest and more! https://www.instagram.com/official_kurupt/ https://twitter.com/kurupt_gotti ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And I'm in here with Corrupt. Oh, yeah, we live. I made it, man. Vegas traffic coming into Los Angeles like everybody was trying to come here. Right. You know, I thought everybody would be trying to go to Vegas. It felt like everybody was trying to get here.

I think everybody's trying to go everywhere. Post-COVID, everything's fucked up. I don't mean to laugh, but you, the motherfucker's just trying to go anywhere. I love that. Because they are. I mean, it's been cooped up for so long, you know? marriages been destroyed and marriages have been strengthened. Families have been strengthened, families have been strengthened, families destroyed.

You know, you never know what it's like until you locked up with them. Right. The damn near a year. The way people talk about going to the club now, you can tell they're really ready to get in there. Ready to go to any place. Picnics is back in effect. You have no picnic? I'm near.

Yeah. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's all graded. Yeah. You love Vegas? I love it. I always have since, you know, back in the days when Shug used to take us out there.

You know what I'm saying? My bad. See, I'm new to this. Yeah, but when Shug used to take us out there, you know what I'm saying? He had the club, 662. And the spot out there, we always had a great time. Always. So I moved out there before.

Me and Lazybone was working on Thug Pound album. And we had our own apartment out there. That was the first time I moved there. It was good. So, you know, I used to wake up in the morning And Lazy be knocked out So I head to the casino, 20 bucks Make me like 40, 50 bucks off a dub

And then I go get us some breakfast Go back to the house Wake him up, we got some food, boot And then go back, hit the casino Nighttime, win and get us some dinner Blackjack You just always win? Oh, I'm going to win 20 bucks, I'm going to bring

I'm at least, I'm going to double it. I'm going to get 40. Right. I'm getting my money back. And then I'm going to get that extra 20 minimum. Always. You feel like a gambling addict to any extent? Oh, no, because I, you know, I learned how to quit.

The key to gambling is knowing when to quit. You know, as I said, I get that 20 bucks. Right. Right. Because, you know, if I had that problem, 20 is not enough. You got to keep going. But you got to know when to hold them. No when to fold them.

Shit. No one. A walk away Know when to run You never count your money When you're sitting at the table There'll be time enough to gamble When the dealin's done

Right I'm a poker guy I play poker now too I just learned it At the casino? I play the slots Mm, okay At the bar

Nice Pop pop pop pop pop pop Kill them If I pay for you to enter Will you play the main event Of the World Series of Poker $10,000? Hell no.

I want to sponsor you in there. I want you to win. No, but I'm going to sponsor your entry as well as my own entry. Right, but then, you know, I'm not as good as blackjack. Right. I'm just doing it for the thrill of putting corrupt in the main event. Well, I'll get in there, man. Don't play me with a good time.

Shit. You see, when you do it like that, we might win. Oh, for sure. Yeah, because I'll crack them. I know poker. Okay. Right. You can read a man.

Easily, easily, okay? when you got two of them were like four and four how do you know that uh johnny cash song we were just saying like does that just does it bring up any memories that when you might have heard that the way of your life yeah the movie uh the gambler yes or was it hank williams no i thought i thought it was Kenny Rogers honestly these kind of they all seem like the same person of me yeah that's what they say about the black folks that's what i was saying that's probably what the country fans would say about rappers right that's what they do say they all sounded like because i go to swore that was kenny rogers who sang that song one of them

fuck them they're not going to be like oh it's corrupt it wasn't daz it wasn't they don't care you hey look it wasn't willie nelson that's my uncle uncle willie you hung out with him oh yeah man we smoke a lot of good pot together really yeah you know snoop you know my cousin snoop being with snoop you meet all kinds of the greatest and um willie love my uh cousin snoop me and dad's cousin. They love big Snoop. And, you know, Dog always have us involved with things that he do, like when I met Brad Pitt.

Wow. You know, yeah, you know, dog that's what I love about Snoop, man. He doesn't, you know, you stay over there, I'm gonna be over here. No, he says, come on. Right. You know what I'm saying? He brings you to the party, so. Right. Uncle Willie Nelson. We smoked a lot of good pots.

It's kind of a random tangent here, but, like, I was watching TV the other day for the first time in a while, and I saw Snoop doing a Corona ad, about 15 times in the course of an hour. He's doing it so big. Is it like so big? Inspiring, like how many, like how he's been able to transition to this point in his career and still have like so many, you know, rappers not supposed to have a career.

When I first started rapping, Rakim was my idol. But my experience with Snoopy, you know, and watching him in his transcending in the game and his elevation, you know, being on the low, well, being on the high, going to the low, and then where he is now, how he never let it bring him down. He's my idol now. And every day I see something new he's doing it, I look at myself and say, see, that's what I'm going to do. His demeanor, his everything, you know, he taught me how to become a man. You know what I'm saying?

And Snoopy always tell you, you're a man. first and that was one of the main teachings I learned from Snoop besides how to make a song make a record a hit record and along those sorts because I was in the slaughtering emcees so I wasn't into making a record that's what's so valuable about my project the horsemen with razz and cannabis and kill a priest because it satisfies that mic that mic that mic hunger so that's why you guys are all hanging out okay because I was trying to think I'm like What has brought these guys altogether? I mean, you know, our album drops on the 18th Friday tomorrow.

Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, everything we do right now, it's been so far gone so long since we was able to really be around each other because we all have our own separate lives and careers. And so, you know, now that we've united and put this thing together, I make it a main thing that whatever I'm doing, I want them around, you know. COVID is the key to that too because being so separated from everything and not being able to be around people helps you to appreciate.

You know what I'm saying? That's why this album is so valuable because, you know, we see how much we appreciate each other. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we want to take advantage of that. Yeah, I feel like a lot of us were taking a lot of things for granted and now we can kind of see the world a bit more clearly. Totally. I mean, like your family.

A lot of us was taking our own families for granted. You know, and through the COVID, a lot of people are gone. Through this whole experience, Shock G is gone. Black Bob is gone. DMX is gone. Nipsi's gone. We lost a lot of good people through this whole transition of this COVID thing. Helps you to appreciate life, appreciate your loved ones, your family, your children, parents.

You know what I'm saying? Everything about life. And so, you know, in every negative, there's a positive if you just look. I mean, you seem like you're in a pretty good place. Like, as I was watching a bunch of your interviews over the years last night, I was like, there's quite a few different levels to corrupt that you might get in any given interview. There's different versions of them. I mean, you know, I got to do it.

I'm just saying. A little bit of a showman. Have you ever, okay, have you ever done an interview where you hyped it up a little bit? Like, in that Kendrick rant. I think a lot of people were kind of watching that thing and, like, is he doing, like, a wrestling bit here a little bit? Is this 100% real? No.

Everything I do is genuine. Right. I mean, it's only the way to be. You know, you be yourself. I mean, that's the only way I know. So, you know, when I feel like clowning, I'm a clown. When I'm serious, I'm going to be serious. You know, it's just who you are.

I believe in that 100%. Oh, yeah. So when I feel a little goofy, I'll be a little goofy. Right. Right. I'm just saying, though. You feel like your personality. I mean, how much of a hothead were you in your younger days?

Like, what was the age or the era where you were the most aggressive? And has that just kind of considerably turned down over the years where you've learned to live a more mellow life? I think 99 was out. They're laughing like, no. I'm just saying, no. Look at Peanut Gallery over there. Oh, yeah, that's us. We are the peanut gang.

You understand me? We got Snoopy. That's Charlie Brown. Charlie. Right. Raz Brown. Razzy Brown. Hey.

Baby head, mother-cum. Now you see what I'm talking about. How can you be serious? It's good chemistry. Yeah. We all we got. Right. Yeah, we all we got.

Is that kind of how it's just to feel as the years ago by that like you just really hold on to the rappers that you fuck with? Like, whereas when you're like 25 or whatever, there's a million motherfuckers. that you could potentially kick it with. Like the ones that were still around 20 years later, you have a different five. Yeah, you know, through time you learn to value friendship, to value people, because people come and go. But after 20 years, I even give a minimum of a decade,

five years even, let's go there. You know, and they're still there. And by that time, you go through ups and downs, you go through disagreements. You never know. the real in any person until they're mad at you. I believe. It's just my opinion.

Because when they mad at you, you know, the reals comes out. And then if y'all still there after your disagreements, you know, that strengthens your relationship. There's a lot of people who have fights and then became the best of friends. And a lot who has not? Oh, yeah. Having that conversation with one of my friends who's more in the streets, and he's talking about how him and his home,

you just could just beat that shit out of each other and just go back to being cool. I'm like, that doesn't sound like as much of a part of my culture. I feel like me growing up, if we got on a fight, it's over. Don't really usually get back after that. Yeah, you know, in my youth, you know, you get it off your chest, you squab. And then, you know, you actually, you respect each other. One thing about a good squab,

it earns respect you know what I'm saying and any two alphas you know they most likely are going to clash and bump heads and getting to it

and then after that they'll have an understand on who's the alpha that's really what that is about a fight is always just jockeying for position and power and bullying you know a lot of people they take it out on you

because they can't take it out on the one they really want to take it out on bullying is establishing the social hierarchy. Yeah, that's why you knock the bully out. Once you knock the bully out, he respects you and bullies everybody else. And everybody else look up to you. Like, you're the bully killer. They respect you.

Everybody respects you because you knock this punk-ass, bitch-ass nigger out. Fuck, bitch. We were having that conversation about how in the fist fight era, the big guy was like the dominant male. You know, when you're with the homies and, you know, People are around and have disagreances with others. The first thing you do, the law or the land, sock the big nigger.

Once you put his ass down, everybody else is probably going to flee. And the one that stays down, you know, you just, it's on. The rest of them are probably going to roll once you knock this big motherfucker out who everybody think is the one. Hit him first. And once you put cuss down, you want some too old man? A note. Right.

Get up and stop. messing with these nice people. Come on, man, let's go. Get your bitch asses out of you. Right. I mean, you know. And if you lose, you're still going to be the talk of the game when you sock him and loosen that facial. Bop that eye.

Even if you lose, they're going to be like, yeah, it's like, a minister's society. Yeah, yeah, you, you whooped him and all that. But when he sopped you, you, all they going to remember is that sock. Right. Especially when you're a little nigga like me and Rass. Mm. You know, you sock one of these big niggas and lead that lump. on the head even if you lose everybody gonna remember that lump that why you keep

kill the priest around because he got a kind of security guard vibe to him as well well before killer priest move I'm gonna sock the nigger first you know what I'm saying me you don't want to let him get him get let him get him oh hell no you know I'm saying sock that nigga first and then move then kill a priest go get it right I did my part you're that guy and then you just turn around and look for anybody else because once you sock him priest going grab him you turn around what's up nigger all nothing man why he's kill priest just holding him for ransom. He's deaf, for Christ's sakes.

You're the kind of guy who has security, but then punching somebody himself anyway. And then move. Y'all get him, and then look at everybody else. You want something too old man? What? You understand me? Shit. Because, I mean, fuck. If a person got an issue with you,

don't let your homies take off before you do. Right. Neighborhood law. You take off and continue to take off. When the homies is over, You got to be careful because they might be hitting you. Everybody, like, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, damn. Let me leave them alone.

Y'all got cuss. Who else? I saw you with him. Sock it, bang. Just keep on going. Keep on going. Over and over. Over and over again.

Are you ever around that kind of energy these days, though? When I think about your life, I'm just assuming that you're in the mansion and you're chilling and everything's all good. I'm too old to play, man. I got five children. You know what I'm saying? me and my wife, Lily, we got a football team. So, you know, we live beyond ourselves now.

You know what I'm saying? He wears a robe like fucking... I'm Goddy Hefner. Yeah. What can I say? Hugh Hefner vibes around the house? I'm Goddy Heffner, man. You know, I post them.

Just chill. Jump on my fight night and beat everybody to death with Mike Tyson. Hello! Right! Now that's fun. Yeah, what's the life you're after at this point? Like what is the good life? Oh man, just being with my family, you know, being at home, watching law and order.

You know what I'm saying? Eating some good home cooked food, family and friends and the mic. Mmm. Oh yeah. That's still essential. Oh, man, like breathing. Mm-hmm. Mike is oxygen. You know what I'm saying?

I tell people all the time, you know, man, I rap for free. Mm-hmm. You know, the good thing is I get people. paid to do it. So that's the perk. You know what I'm saying? We get paid to have fun and people have fun with it. So it's a great life, great career. I have a career. You know what I'm saying? And that's what you go to school for it to get a career. You know, so my school was Philly in the I La Delf School of MCN. And then God sent me to California because I crashed my mom's car. At the right time. At the right time, right?

All these things is in front of everybody's faces. You know what I'm saying? There's a positive in all negatives. You just have to see it. A open mind, you can see it. You know what I'm saying? And you see that positive. And you go forward.

You know what I'm saying? Don't dwell on the negative. Concentrate on the positive. What did you learn? It'll help you not to make that same mistake. again. I ain't still a car since. But the crashing, though, seemed to follow me because I crashed all my cars. Were you a bad driver or what? Aggressive? I had some help. Yeah. I had some help. Okay. Yeah. How does it feel looking at me and knowing that, you know, your lyrical content,

as well as a few of your cronies at the time, really kind of helped turn me out as like a nine-year-old? Well, thank you. I'm sure people have told you that before over the years, but how does that feel to know that I kind of saw that? I was like, you know what? Maybe a life of crime is for me. Oh, wow. Well, shit.

Maybe I want to be on some real ground shit. Oh, wow. That was grown. Well, shit. I mean, I was a kid when I was pushing that line. I didn't know no better. You know, you don't look at it like that. My auntie Dionne Warwick had a talk with me before.

and was just like, what would your mama think about these words you're saying? You know, at the time, I was just a kid. She said this to you way back in the day? Yeah. Okay. You know, and it was like, well, you know, I never looked at it like that. Then my mama named me, incorruptible, you're going to be making gospel records before you know it.

You're going to be a preacher. I used to always think, like, good luck. I'm going to smoke some of this indica right now, because, you know what I'm saying? Good luck, Mom. I mean, Mama, you might be right. You know what I'm saying? As soon as I leave, go smoke some endo, go home in California and crash my car. Should have listened to my mama. You can blame most of the car crashes off of the wheat? No, it was alcohol. It was alcohol and youth. You know, never drive upset. You know, when you're tired, don't go driving. You know what I'm saying? Some things you can't avoid. One of them I just couldn't avoid, which was hydroplaining. Oh, wow. Yeah, the car just has a mind of its own. Yeah, so, you know, that you can't avoid, but there was a lot. I learned about driving 101 through crashes, like dropping the phone, and then going to pick it up.

Oh, no. Look back up. Bang! Ooh, my goodness. I felt that one. Oh, yeah. It scares you to death. You got to think quick, though.

You got to think quick, you know, because the intersection, I ain't even trip up the intersection. My phone falls. Oh, man. Bang! Oh, cuss. Jesus. All right, pull over. Let's go talk.

Pull over. They get the pull. Oh. Come. Oh, yeah. I'm an escape artist, too. I escaped a lot. Police is, this.

I'll never let you know where. Okay, this was when I was a kid. God forgive me. Do you feel like you were born with it in you to be a bad kid? Or did something that happened to you at a certain point that made you want to act out. Just influences. That's why you got to be wary on who your children hang around. You know what I'm saying? And who they spend their time with when they're young, they're very influenced. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that's basically it. That's

what made me how I was, you know, because mommy wants to take me to church. It's boring. Yeah. Why they over here, having the time of their life with all the girls, beers, what would you choose? I take a good old-fashioned ass whoopin for sneaking out to have a time of my life for just a second. But that's the way we thought as a youth. Through time, I found out that that second worth of pleasure

could cost you a lifetime. You know, robbing a store, doing this, doing that, quick cash, and then you lose everything. So, you know, some of us learn the hard way and are blessed enough to get past that. Others aren't that, you know, don't have that same luck. Yeah, it's pretty overwhelmed when you think about how many people you probably know way more than me,

but who, you know, commits some crime that maybe doesn't seem like a big deal to them when they're 18, 19, 20, and you ain't seen them since. Yeah, I mean, as you get older, the consequences and repercussions that kick in. You, you know, because that's what comes with age. You know, when you're young, it's fun, you know, exciting, excitement of it, the thrill, the rush. And, you know, when you get older, you look back and be like, damn,

I would do it again. You know what I'm saying? If I could, you know what I'm saying? And by then, it's too late. So, you know, a lot of us have that, you know, I feel my mama and my father and my grandparents and family, a lot of their blessings. Because I'm the littlest nigger from the littlest nigger on the block

and to survive all the things I've survived in my life. It's a miracle. All right. Because, you know, I was there. You know, when I was young, my big brother draws in them, Tony Tobe and Broomey, you know, Brumfield, Kenny Mackin, and they sheltered me from all of that. You know what I'm saying?

Kept me away from the homies that was active and, you know. So you were the bad kid at home, but then around all the rappers and death row and everything, they were determined to keep you the good kid amongst the bad kids. By time of death row, I was already, I was already in a system of a band. But like how much time has to actually pass between you like me and big you and then you get with death row? Oh man, that actually happened fast because my brother went to Jay.

And then he was gone. And then when he was gone, I was there by myself, Tony Tovins. And, you know, I still wasn't in the streets because I had Chico, my big homie Chico. Actually, he started rapping. He was inspired by Corrupt, and he made a group called Chico in Coolwater. Right. And that was my big, one of my family members, too, my big bro, Chico. He was actually a basketball star.

So he was basketball and I was rapping and the homies would try and keep us in those same Woo-wops and keep us together. He would always come and see me. You know what I'm saying? And then through time after Def Roe, Chico got into rapping. He always be rapping with me in the studio. That's what the homies do. You know, once I see him start freestyle and shit, I'm like, deal on the mic. Because you want to do it. Right. And so, you know, Chico would keep his eye on me after that. Nikki Bam across the street rest in peace you know what I'm saying But you know

You know you Banging or doing bad things Decision that a person has to make On their own to not to do Because you can only shelter a person for so long Before they have to Make the decision on the own What was Big Hughes perspective on you

Going to death row? Was that like How did that seem to him? He really wasn't tripping you know He was happy that I was happy. You know what I'm saying? If he was home, I probably wouldn't even have been at that

for a little to tell you the truth. Really? Yeah. Oh, because I was during his bid, okay. Right, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, one thing about draws, he'll invest into you. So, you know, I probably wouldn't have went that way

because he would have been around, you know what I'm saying, and what we was doing, excuse me, what we was doing, me and Broomie and Kenny, you know, who knows what would have happened. But everything happens for a reason. And I met Snoop right before he got to death row. And Snoop's the one who brought me in.

Right. So like I said, in every negative, there's a positive. God took draws away. And then God brought me Snoop. And, you know, Snoop was there to keep me away from everything. And then God brought draws back home. And, you know, he's been doing great ever since. And me and him have been.

just doing what we love, you know what I'm saying? So everything happens for a reason. That make you feel like you might be a certain level of human being that you've just gravitated yourself into the orbit of all these people that we regard as, you know, obviously you're a legend in your own right, but the fact that like, you know, Big U goes to jail and then all of a sudden you was stupid death row. It's like, I mean, it's got to be something, you feel like that way or something, there's got to be something inherently special about you, right?

Yeah. It's God. God said. I mean, that's the only thing I can think about. You know what I'm saying? When you, these immaculant things that happen to you, you know, how does it happen? You know, I'm a God-fearing man. I definitely believe God has his hands in it, you know, aura, karma.

All of those things are real. You know, you do right things, right things come to you. you know, especially when you have a choice. You approach with something and you say, nah, I'm cool. There's a blessing in that, you know, harming somebody and you like, no, I'm cool. There's a blessing in that, helping somebody.

It's a blessing in that. Blessings come in all shape, sizes. You know, you just got to peep it. Nothing's too small, nothing's too big, except the small ones, you get bigger ones. And I'm a firm believer that God doesn't give you anything besides opportunities. He places the right people in front of you.

What you do with that blessing is up to you. Right. Respect. Definitely. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, seeing. Well, one thing that you said that I found really interesting that I'd never thought about because it's like, you know, I was such a kid consuming all this death row shit that, you know,

I didn't really like understand what I was looking at. And now when I go back and look at it, I'm able to like make sense of it a lot more because when you're so young that you don't. really understand what you're looking at. And you said, like, part of what made our run at Death Row so special was that you had this, like, blood record label, and all of a sudden, you got a bunch of Crips in there. It's a crazy, different cohesion of styles and different types of dudes, but of course, it wasn't really meant to last so long. Well, you know, Deft Row wasn't a blood label. Our CEO was a blood. Right. You know, Def Row was a musical

label based upon Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre wasn't involved in none of that. type of stuff, you know. So it was a musical thing from the door, musical family. It was all about the music. And through time, you know, all of that came about. But in the beginning, you know, it was a musical label. Rage was signed before Snoop. And so, you know, Dr. Dre, Rage, Juel.

You know, the history of it, Warren G. and Snoop could tell you better than I can because they were there from the door. Right. And then when Snoop brought me in, you know, Snoop, Rage, U.L, Dr. Dre, that was the key bass. And Shug wasn't really too much pushing a line of, you know, pushing his bloodline. You know, we just did music. Shug was a big brother to us. He took us under his wing.

And first thing, one of the things that Shug said to us was, you know, what? Whatever you do, don't gang bang on your records. Because blood's like your music, too. Right. He was a strong advocate about that. You know what I'm saying? Make music, man. Don't gang bang on your records because, you know,

I mean, you really, where you're from? So the proof is in you. You know, when you broadcast it, that's not real. Right. You know what I'm saying? And plus, you got other people who love your music and love you, but they won't be able to support that because you, you know what I'm saying? They're going to respect you more, knowing who you are and you're just giving them good music,

then broadcasting and flossing, throwing it in their face, this is what I am, whoop, bop, that's no respect in that. You know, the respect is just being solid as a rock. It seems like good advice, but it seems like advice that are like most of these young rappers don't really take. They're banging all over the place. Well, it wasn't before we were. Yeah. Right.

You know, it wasn't that easy, you know, saying we're, this, this, and this is that. Then you've got to see people in the streets, and they didn't take too kindly to it. Now it's more of a fashion. And, you know, back in the days, you had to earn it. Yeah, nobody's surprised to see boys and crips working together on music these days.

Well, you know. Maybe certain neighborhoods and stuff. Well, in the beginning, you know, the war, it kind of calmed down and people started to unify you know we had the truce and different things that happened was unified

you know the riots you know what I'm saying with Rodney King the bloods the Crips the Mexicans all together that was a big factor and starting to bring people together a lot

yep you know what I'm saying and most of the Crips and Bloods back in the days they knew each other they all went to school together you know what I mean and you know things have But you know you really had to earn it. I mean back in the days it took a lot of heart to be a blood You know what I'm saying? The Crips was just so many Crips. I mean we they was we was we was everywhere

And to be a blood it took a lot of heart You know nowadays, you know It's just to cut people cut from different cloths You know banging is a little different but they still serious. Oh yeah, it's still not a joke. You know what I'm saying? The youngsters nowadays are vicious you know what I mean and yeah still not a joke yeah and I mean I heard you said that in the interviewer you're saying like in the 80s shit was so much worse than it was in the 90s and in the 90s it was so much worse than it was in the 2000s and you think about that and I'm like damn shit does seem really fucking bad right now at least some of the

time but I mean but these are like the generational generational changes that very few people are around long enough to really witness and to really sort of understand how the culture has changed. That's life. Everything changes. Goes up and goes down. Everything progresses for the good and for the bad. You know, you got to deal with it. You got to change with the times. Be who you are as a man, but you still have to change with the times. You know, you have to adapt. So, you know, that's life. You feel disillusioned with the whole gang thing in general. Is it something you still feel like you have a lot of love for? Or is it like, how have you grown to view it

and you're as a grown man? I'm from neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? I'm always to be from neighborhood. But, you know, I'm not a gangbanger. You know what I'm saying? That's the neighborhood that I'm from. You know what I'm saying?

Gang bangers are different. Those that are banging, they're in the streets. They're pushing that line and, you know, they're active. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not active. But, you know, this is where. I'm front, you know, and it is what it is. But you know, I'm not pushing no lines, you know.

I'm about to be 50 years old next year, so, you know, respect is the main thing that matters, no matter what. I got blood homies and Mexican homies and family members that's bloods and, you know, Crip homies, you know what I'm saying. It is what it is. You know, I'm never going to stop being where I'm from. But, you know, that's like, you know, that's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like you're How do you raise your kids knowing that in a lot of ways your parents were kind of powerless to stop you from becoming the person that you felt like becoming? Well, you know, it's difficult nowadays kids that tell their friends more than I would tell their parents and it's hard to measure it out if you're their friend too much

That's not good if you're too much of a parent to them. That's not good. So you level it out There's a time to be a good buddy to them and talk with them and there's a time to be a good buddy to them and there's a time to be a parent to him and, you know, put your foot down. You know what I mean? You got to weigh it out. And use your instinct. Nowadays, a lot of people don't use their instinct. Everything, they want everything so fast, everything easy.

You know, that's why this Internet age is just running the game. You know, you can't figure anything out for yourself anymore. Now you go to the Internet. It's right there for you. You can make a bomb. Like you as a kid, if you wanted to, you know, talk to some girls, that's what your soul was telling you to do. You had to actually, like, go out. You had to go to the mall or the club or whatever.

Now it's like there's infinite more girls that you could potentially DM than... You go on the computer and that's the mall. You go on the computer and that's the club. The strip club. You go to the computer at school. So you ain't got to go nowhere. Activities old. you ain't got to move.

You know what I'm saying? COVID then took the crowd away from football and basketball and sports. Now you plan to a television screen. No emotion, no feeling. Reminds me of a movie called the motherfucking equilibrium. The motherfucker just had no emotions. Does that feel like that's what technology is kind of turning these people into or turning all of us into to some extent.

Definitely. Yeah. You know, instinct is irrelevant. You know what I'm saying? Shit. Kids know how to modify guns. Mm. You know what I mean?

Used to go to school with a... The worst thing you go to school is brass knuckles. Fucking knife or something. Now kids go into school with automatic weapons. Yeah. It is what it is. It is what it is. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.

to think of it. Do you remember the, you know, like by the time you ended up in L.A., was it already like gun culture fully underway or did you get to see a little bit of that shift? Oh no, I was active. Now I came out in 86, so. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I was 16, but, you know, I was from Philly, so I'm just, it's all different to me. I was startled like, damn, this, this is real. It's like the movie Colors. You know, niggie had to be careful.

to be careful all that Philly stuff did not even matter you got watch what you wear all that and you know I got approached a couple of times I don't bang you know that didn't work right nah what kind of response do you get to that you don't bang shit it's easy to fuck him up ain't no consequences and repercussions you know what I'm saying he ain't even a point where you from I don't gang banging that you don't what uh where you from what do you do you do better fight that was the key to the game that same person who socked me

got down with him became my good buddy told me all about gang banging and streets and this and that and became a good friend you know what I'm saying and educated me to the game

if I didn't fight it'd be a rap right definitely yeah I mean now we always say that like kids on the internet are the ones who are like amping up the beef between rappers and whatnot like you know if if young rappers on Instagram live and somebody comments something about somebody and he says one single word that could be construed as offensive than the kids online

are taking it and figuring out how to contextualize it and they're tagging the person nonstop hey hey so-and-so said this about you it seems like you know a lot of times when I talk to rappers who have like real serious beef over the years that it comes back to it wouldn't have got to this point if the internet didn't amp it up. And it's interesting when I think about the whole East versus West

that it was pretty much the same thing except you had these like mainstream magazines and such and such sort of creating this narrative that in retrospect doesn't really seem realistic. Right. But you know, like I said, there's a positive and a negative to everything.

It's a positive thing to media and there's a positive thing to the internet then you have the negative of the media and a negative of the internet because everybody doesn't deserve that power that voice to be heard they ain't talking about shit you see what I'm saying when you had to get a job at the source in order to like be able to make some kind of movement in the rap culture that was one thing and now it's there's absolutely no initiation process you just you got an Instagram account You can make memes. You can do whatever.

Unfortunately, through the times, you know, sex, drugs, guns, mayhem, drama, distraught, despair, itself. You know what I'm saying? People want to see other people's woes. They love to see people up and they love to see people down. It's all theater. You know what I'm saying? Our governor was known for centuries as a machine. killing everybody.

These talk bad about our raps, but they all watch The Terminator. Body's getting blown to bits and pieces, but, you know, that wasn't considered violence. But when we tell our stories and our tales on the mic and tell our tales from the streets of what we see and what it is and put ourselves in that character, you know what I'm saying?

I hear stories from the homies, and I'll put it into a rhyme, tell that tale, and say, I'm the one that's doing it, but you know what I'm saying? First of all, I'm not going to tell people the crime I've done. That wouldn't be smart, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I'll hear a tell, and I'll make it into a story. You know what I'm saying?

That's what entertainment is about. You know, there's real things I speak about, and there's things that I add into my music to entertain. You know, I know the difference. And if a person was to ask me about it, I'd tell them the reals. You know, this is entertainment. Now, this was real. You know what I'm saying?

And you'll hear my music change throughout the years, you know. We was more about partying. That's gangster. You know what I'm saying? Not smoking people, killing people and all that, but telling the gangster tale, that's gangster. You know, partying, you know what I'm saying? Going to the parties, seawking, dancing, cracking bitches, cracking the ladies, He's clacking somebody, you know, that's gangster, you know what I'm saying?

It's not just all about fighting it. Drugs and death, being hard. You know what I'm saying? But now it's like, in particular, I'm thinking about these fucking kids in Jacksonville. There's a crazy-ass gang war out there, and there's like one of the kids who's involved in all of it, and he had a bunch of popular sons videos with millions of views. And now the cops are saying, and it seems like it's pretty fucking clear that, you know, There's all these murders that he committed, and these songs have the exact details,

like way too much information, not to mention whatever fucking evidence they have against him, but it's mind-blowing the extent to which this kid incriminated himself. He ain't the first one. Okay. If I showed you this, you might be like, all right, that's the worst I've ever seen. Hey, you know what? There's nothing new under the sun, but I would love to see it, though, because there's a lot of people do a robbery and then.

make a rap about the robbery explaining it to a tea police coming straight to me we got our guy first 48 don't go inside and ask for a cigarette so as soon as they ask for a cigarette

they're gonna tell because they got something to smoke oh man you tell me immediately oh god damn damn right noted because I would definitely be the one asking for a sick oh no ask for a cigarette man ride it out don't say nothing

you have the right to be silent learn it especially if you wrong. You know what I'm saying? You're always wrong. That's why you being interrogated. Okay, don't dry snitch.

Yeah, well, I wasn't there, but when he shot him, wait, if you wasn't there, who's he? You're done. Just shut the fuck up, man. Just shut the fuck up, okay? Yeah. And write it out. You know, Snoopy always said it, man.

He made a song about it. don't do the crime if you can't do the time yeah don't do it okay being gangster in that mode man it comes with a price and as you can see all that gangster shit then when they get hit you know they get you those jailhouse snitches now

I know a bunch of situations where that's how they got them caught up they plan a snitch in the holding cell and all of a sudden you're telling them everything you're never did. That's why, you know, a whole neighborhood. You do a crime, do it by yourself. Do it with others,

man. Good luck. That's no fun. See, that's the whole point. Crime ain't fun. Right. Crime is real. You know what I'm saying?

And just don't do it. I would, I suggest you don't do it. You know, find a hobby. I'm getting paid off of my hobby. Rapping was a hobby. You know what I'm saying? So shit, I'm getting paid off my hobby. and I love that.

You know, a lot of people got hobbies, drawing, artwork. That's a hobby. You can make a lot of money in that. You just got to take it serious. You got other hobbies besides rapping, like, that's not really a hobby so much as also like a job for you at this point. Is there anything that's like purely a hobby? You build wooden ships in a bottle or anything? Well, all my hobbies I get paid off of because I have a hobby of going on fight night and knocking everybody to fuck out, okay? Right. But, you know, we bet, so we're just to be. But it's my hobby, you know what I'm saying? It's only one person that can beat me,

and that's a big room from the dungeon family. Yeah, I just can't catch his number, man. Really? Oh, man, he's the one. He's the champ. And I'm the first round draft pick. You did what I'm talking about. You only compete against other rappers from sort of your era?

Anybody. Putting that ass down. And nowadays, they got the fight night with Mike Tyson. What the fuck must be done? Because I was whooping people's ass with Jake Lamata. We grew up playing punchout, Mike Tyson's punchout. I was fucking them up too. And Ring King.

You're the little tiny white guy, Mac. I knock Mac ass out. I don't knock all their ass out, binging. You understand? It's timing. I just whipped that ass. Ring King, I was whooping anybody ass. Wop, whoop, wop, wop, wop.

Right. I'm good. If you were 30 years younger, maybe you would have became a gamer. That's what these kids. kids all want to do now. I don't have patience for it. Really?

Nah, no, I ain't got patience for it. You know what I'm saying? It'd be no fun. You know what I'm saying? I like things that's fun. No. Just doing it just to do it is the fun. I wouldn't have been a gamer because, you know,

a nigga get to lose and I get to throw in the remote control of television. Might start fucking cuss up that beat me. That beat me. You know what I'm saying? Man, it's bullshit, man. You cheating. I'm a horrible. I'm a horrible loser.

Are you really? Yeah, I'm a horrible. So I couldn't be a gamer. That's why you had to get so good? You're motherfucking right. Nobody likes to lose. You should see Snoop when he lose. Really?

Oh, it's horrible. Right. Everybody got to get the fuck out. Yeah. Everybody got to get the fuck out. That's it. He breaks the game. He breaks the stick.

He breaks the television. Really? Nobody else can play. Get the fuck out. And he's serious. Damn. That's why when people play Snoop, you'd be like,

you fucking up man what's you talking about what's you beating snoop for me we all gonna have to get the fuck out because of your motherfucking funny ass nigga let him win fuck that's interesting i always think of snoop is being like the chillest dude on earth yeah until he lose you're the fucking right dog ain't going for that because he very rarely loses i mean dog is the best to beat dog man you got to be unheard of really yeah man dog fuck everybody up but there's certain people who beat him Sometimes dog would take it on the chin like, ah, that was good, and you got me. But, you know, beating dog is not easy.

So when he loses, you know, he goes, I rate. You know what I'm saying? But that's all but games are. You know, we take the game and shit seriously. You know, it's fun, but the competition, we live for that competition. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, that it is what it is. I always think it's so crazy that there's people that I'll interview or, you know, young people I know.

who to them they know everything about Snoop Dog these days and everything but I'm like you cannot imagine how cool I thought Snoop Dog was when he was like this 20-something year old skinny-ass gangbanger with an afro and the craziest music

and I'm like you are too young to understand what this guy was to us at that time and you know to be honest with you that's the way Snoop was before he was making records You know what I'm saying? The character that everybody loves is really not a character. It's really this man. You know what I'm saying?

Calvin, it's really him. You know, I've talked to a lot of his friends from Long Beach. Snoop's always been Snoop. You know what I'm saying? He makes you laugh. He's all about having fun. Snoop just loves to have fun and he brings fun to everybody around him. He makes sure everybody has a good time.

and they bag all the time. Snoop loves it. And, you know, he just loves fun environments. So he always makes it a fun environment. But, you know, dog is dog is dog. You know what I'm saying? He's from the streets. He's a hustler.

He knows how to get that cheese. He knows how to spin that cheese because I'm horrible. That saving? Hell yeah. Shit. Snoop and Dads, man, they'll keep the same $20. I was a thing for like a year. You know what I'm saying?

Like, damn, you still got 20 bucks. Hell yeah. I mean, I spent that shit in four seconds. Really? I bought all the candy. You understand me? 20 bucks. Let me get the potato chips, the hot chips.

Yeah. And let me get five of the Snickers. I want five of them. You got any money, young man? I got 20 bucks. Five of the Snickers. Ooh, I ain't never seen that hubbubble before. I want two of those.

When I get finished, I got $2 left. Dog, what you got left? Shit, man, I got me $40. I thought you only had a dub. I went over there and shot some craps, won me $40. What? Wow. Spent 20 on this, got me a sack,

and I got me 20 left, though. I feel like Snoop must have money just, falling out of his ass, like, he must just be so rich that it's hard to imagine still having that mentality. Dog is got the cheese he got because he's smart, patient, and, you know, he's a hustler. He knows how to, you know, he knows what to do with money. He knows how to keep it. You know, same thing with dads, man, dads and Snoop. They know how to keep it. They got patience and, you know, you'd be like, man, let me borrow this. And they got 50,000 bucks. Man, I ain't got no cheese. Let me get $200, man, I ain't got no money.

You're like, what you mean? You ain't got no money. You just broke out $1,000. Right. Shit, man, that shit's already gone, man. I got this. Shit, I'm going to have to spend that all on this. It's already counting for, man.

Right. I don't know how to say that. Man, let me get, I ain't got no money. And I just start buying everything in front of motherfuckers. Fuck it. What you want, man? I get them some shit next thing you know, I'm broke. They got the money.

I need some money. Man, I ain't got no money. you got all the money. Like damn, Dad used to tell me all the time, man, why are you buying everything for everybody? I got some more money coming. But you ain't got it now. Damn, you're right.

Yeah, my heart always gets the best of me. What do you think it is about you that you just don't think long term like that? You don't think about having that money the next day or whatever. And what's different about Dad is that you guys are just not on the same page and that kind of mentality? I mean, we humans, you know, I don't know. You know, dads and Snoop is cut from a different claw.

Nate Dog, Warren G. You know what I'm saying? My brother draws. They all cut from different cloths. Me, I'm a natural boy fuck up. You know, that's why I have a great wife. Right. She knows how to stack it.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I say, hey, man, you know, we're going to put this shit up. Okay, I know she got in the cut. I'm good. And I ain't even thinking about the cheese. Out of sight, out of mind. You know what I'm saying? I got everything I need at home.

That was a part of growth. Because, yeah, I need help. Right. Because if I ain't have somebody go by my side, I'll be all fucked up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. Come on, Cuzz, I got me motherfucking $10,000.

We're going to Miami. We're going here, Cud. We're going everywhere, Cud. We go to Atlanta first, right? Rent the car. We're going to drive to Miami. I've seen Dad do it a gang of time. Go get all the bitches.

Let's go, Cuzz. Right. Four days. Come back to California, bro. Right. Oh, fuck. Yeah, the time of your life. That's all that mattered.

You know, so, you know, growing up, you know, that's why God bless me with a good partner because a partner that you trust, you know, can't do it by yourself when you got this addiction. You know, she helped me beat alcoholism, so, you know, a good partner is always good. Snoop has a great partner.

Tay-boo, Shante, you know, she, you know, She's a part of Snoop's strength as well as a man. You know what I'm saying? He only make a lot of the mistakes he used to make before Shantay came into his life, you know? Gave him purpose, something to live for, and then gave him beautiful children. You know what I'm saying?

You got grandbabies now. Dog appreciates it. You know, we all make mistakes. And when you got somebody that rides it out with you through any mistakes you're making, and things like that, you know, business mistakes. And, you know, when you're young, you know, trying to figure it out.

They figure it out with you, you know what I'm saying? Dog has always been my inspiration as a man, Snoopy, my brother Dante, you know what I'm saying? Those were my inspirations, my father. You know what I'm saying? Ricardo Emanuel Brown, Senior. Oh, yeah. Do you feel like, you know, one thing that stuck with me when I was watching the infamous golf course fight was Nate Dogg and the intro, he's talking about, he's basically like diagnosing why this all happened.

And he says, you know, he mentions Easy's name and he says, rest in peace. Who? Nate. Like Nate Dog? Yeah. Right. While he's telling the story, he just, you know, quickly says, as long as he's going to mention Easy's name, he's. he's going to say rest in peace. It occurs to me that that don't really happen a lot these days.

Nowadays, people are, the idea that, like, the dead just deserve respect, feels like a lot of people don't necessarily fall in line with that. If you didn't like them while they were living, they're not going to. I've never heard Nate say that, so, you know. No, well. Yeah. Hopefully I'm quoting correctly. I remember it. Yeah, he's talking about it. What was this during the time? We was in a feud?

There's like a, yeah, you know, it's like, but it was after easy to, had passed, but then there's like a little like intro clip on the clip on YouTube of the golf course fight. And he's sort of like explaining what happened. You're there and like, I don't know, I was just, I was kind of explaining his mentality during that time. So he explained everything that happened. But then he like, when he mentioned Easy's name, he did say rest in peace. And I was like, it's nice to hear because I feel like about that norm of showing respect to people who have lost their life. A lot of that's gone away. Now you're saying, now you're saying Nate gave respect to him. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Definitely.

Well, Nate was a very respectful man, but we all, you know, everything, we going through things with people, feuding, and all the rest of that. And, you know, as you grow up, you get over that, and respect becomes the thing, at least for us it was. And, you know, tell you the truth, you know, we really never had an issue with Eric. But, you know, when you with somebody, you got to write. It's tried it out. Their war is your war. So that's the whole thing when it came to Easy. We didn't even know Easy. You know what I'm saying? Snooping around him, I think, before. But, you know, we were Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre says this is what it is. It is what it is. Same thing with anybody else with Easy. Now, the crazy thing about it, you know, like Nate said, he gave it up for Easy. Dr. Dre had an issue with Easy. He got, you know, fixed his issues with Eric. I'm saying. He had problems with Ice Cube. He fixed his problems with Ice Cube. You know, that's what happens when you grow up. You know, you're a man first, like dogs said. So, you know, when you're grown, you got to put away childish things. You know, I had an issue with DMX.

Right. And. I bought some serious shit. Yeah, we squashed that. You know what I'm saying? At the airport, me and my brother hump and DMX was in there by itself. You just randomly saw him in the airport and that's how it got squashed? Exactly. Wow. you know, as we was older. And my brother Hump was in the, you know, the place where you buy shit. What they call that, Rass? The Hudson News. That's there it is.

No, for real. And that right there, you know, Hunt was going there to get some things. And he saw DMX and he was like, he rolled up to him and said, hey, man, what's going on? What's up, Dee? He was like, oh, what's up? And he was just basically like, man, you know, man, I fucks with you. I'm corrupt, brother. You know what I'm saying?

Corrupt. Man, we're corrupt at, man. I said, oh, he's over there. Hump said he's over there in the bar, man. I'm going to go get him, man. He loved to see you, man. We fuck with you. And he was like, man, I fuck with Corrupt.

Tell him, come over here. That easy. Really? Humm came to me and said, man, guess who's over there at the Hudson? Who? He was like, DMX. I was like, for real. Where comes at?

Man, he's over there right now. I said, come on, hump. Went over there, and soon as I saw him, face-to-face, eye to eye. I was like, what's up, Dee? He was like, what's up, corrupt? we shook hands and at the airport we didn't leave each other side man we went sat had a couple drinks and chopped up game and missed our flights wow really yeah we missed our flights damn flight was irrelevant we just chopping it and having a good time and we squashed our differences man and both of

us apologized to each other did you actually go through the events that led to you having issues in the first place like the the details of the the woman that was involved and whatnot foxy brown Nah, that was irrelevant. You didn't do technicalities hookah. Because it was irrelevant, you know. We talking as men, what it was about is irrelevant. But didn't he deny that? He was basically cheating with her on you or whatever.

Was there any discussion of facts of like whether this actually happened the way that you assumed it happened? Who gives a fuck? Fair. Right. Right. What I'm saying? We chopping and we're having the time of our lives. That's irrelevant.

Engel was young. You know what I'm saying? And she did what she was supposed to do, young and having fun. She was a superstar. I don't blame her either. I was young, and that's what made me shoot the bob gun, you know, fuck everybody. You know, you don't know no better. You're young, you know what I'm saying?

You respond with violence, huh? What other way is there to respond with something that you don't like? You know, at our age, all I knew was gang-banging. So, you know what? I don't like this. We got to fight. That's all there is. No compromising.

No thinking. You don't think when you're young and active. So, you know, that was the real problem. We all was young. You know, Dee was doing what he's supposed to do. She was doing what she was supposed to do. And me, I was doing what I was supposed to do. You know, I ain't known no other way to do it.

So, you know, me and Dee, we ain't spent no time talking about, you know, garbage. We spent our time talking about man shit, you know what I'm saying, family. And, you know, doing it. Doing good and finding out things that we had in common, you know what I'm saying? Talked about movies and regular shit, you know what I'm saying? Basketball and sports and, you know what I'm saying? Laughing and having a good time and man, whenever you're out here, let's smoke some good bud. You know, I got you and whoop-wop-wop-wop-wop.

And then we had to re-book our flights and catch the red eyes. Yeah. You know, it was special. And it was good to be able to do that. You never know how long a person is going to be here. Right. If it's not real, real, because that wasn't real, we was just young. You know, it ain't worth the whoopop.

That's why you got to think. Use your brain. And if you can think when you're young, you're ahead of the game. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, that kind of, like, wasted energy on having problems with people that you don't need to have. It's kind of like characteristic of your youth, you know? And when you're young, who gives a fuck? That's the key word.

You don't give a fuck of this. So any activity is good when you're young. You know, and that's what it is. When you're young, the differences between you and another person seem extreme. It seems like the end of the world. But then as you get older, it's much easier to see the similarities. Like, why are me and DMX not going to be cool? We're both guys who've had very similar life experiences in the rap game.

We've even been with the same woman, like all these reasons why we have a lot in common. But when you're young, you don't see that. And same thing with the gang being. It's like when you're young, it's like you want to issue with this guy three blocks away? You know, when you're young, the only way, you deal with things the only way you was taught. Anybody, if you feel they disrespected you, smash them. That's it. If that's how you was taught.

If you was taught to think before you move, you think before you move. You know, I wasn't taught to think before I move. I was taught to handle it, you know. But there's virtue and just whaling the fuck out and not thinking about the results. Look, if I don't like them, handle it. You know what I'm saying? One of the main things I was taught was, you know,

don't talk about a person before you handle that person. But I broke that protocol as well because, you know, they was a million miles away. There ain't no chance I'm going to see the person. I wanted the world to know and them to know how I felt. And, you know, that's one of the main rules. Don't voice it on the record.

When you see them, handle it. I couldn't hold it. And that's youth. Bad decisions, you know what I'm saying? Broke my own protocol that I grew up to. But you reacted with anger, and as an adult, are you able to look at it and say you were really hurt?

Basically. Basically. You know what I'm saying? Being hurt. You know, a lot of people don't know how to control that. A lot of people don't know how to acknowledge that they've been hurt. It's much more comfortable to just react with anger and violence. You know, it's got to be a real special person to be that age and acknowledge, you know.

Well, let's take a knowledge away. You do acknowledge you hurt. And your response to that acknowledgement is I'm fucking somebody up, because that is the acknowledgement. Okay, because, I mean, I'm hurt. Now, how do I deal with this? Fight. What else is there? When you're young, dumb, and full of come.

You know, as an adult, you hurt. How do you deal with it? Get it out your life. See what I'm saying? Let's get as far away from what hurt me as possible because I have a life, you know. I have things that I live for beyond myself. You know, I'm a man now.

As a child, what do you have to live for besides, you know, nothing, you know? And, you know, when you're in the game that we're in, you see what I'm saying? Because it's like, man, the point is you survived it. Now, how do you not make that mistake again? God put me and Earl in the same airport at the same time. God gave us the opportunity to handle our differences. man, we both could have chose different shit. My brother could have talked to him.

He could have been like, I don't fuck a corrupt, man. You know, you cool, man, but I don't fuck with your brother. He could have said that. Earl was a real nigga. If he felt that way, he would have set it. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't a punk. And if I felt that way, I would have set it.

You know what I'm saying? He didn't feel that way, because, you know? Yeah, DMX just seemed like a guy who was just incapable of doing anything besides really, like living who he was and what he was feeling like everybody else at some point it seems like they gained some degree of control over their emotions and how they're living they become a little bit calculated yeah he didn't really seem like like i was listening to a quote from somebody in his entourage or maybe one of his managers or something and they said that he would meet a homeless person outside the hotel and all the plans for the afternoon will get canceled because he was just

going to talk to this guy for three hours yeah i heard a similar story Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to ask about the alcohol more. Do you feel like that's fully behind you? It's in the past? What's your relationship with these days? And it's never fully behind you.

Take it day by day. Right. You know, it's a lot of moments I feel like a little nip. A little neighborhood nip one of you. You know what I'm saying? Just a little nip, yeah, I'm saying. I'll be fine. Just a little nip-knit.

You know what I'm saying? But, you know, that's how it starts. I know this. So that's a part of my strength with it. And, you know, family, friends, and most importantly, Lili. You know what I'm saying? Lisa is the key to it. I could be around bottles all day because I have something different to live for,

something else that makes me excited, you know, being at home. with my woman posted at the house just watching Law & Order. It's cool. My doctor told me I can have a glass of red wine, you know, a little bit of champagne, yeah, you know, a couple beers. But does that feel a little too dangerous, like you're playing with fire there? Well, you know, everything in moderation is right. When you overdo is the key.

Liquor, I can't handle that. I'm going to always overdue liquor. But, you know, I don't really indulge in too much of it at all. You know what I'm saying? I do have my beers, you know, but I'm more into my diet that my doctor told me about. So, you know, apple cider vinegar in the morning. My wife makes me this saline bag water. Really?

Yeah, with the Cato. Cato IV. And basically it turns my regular geyser spring water into saline bag water because it has all the minerals. Okay. So a couple drops of that, you put in the water whoop, the cup that we got from my doctor in the hospital, which shows me the water wop while I should drink a day. Have that in the morning. You know, she makes me these smoothies or Yaya will make me some smoothies, makes a smoothie for me.

down, this shit tastes like Nestle quick. Strawberry Nestle quick. Right. You know what I'm saying? Things like that, starting the morning off like that, my dog, blue, you know, having something to do, keeping myself busy helps me with, you know, the urge. Right. When you ended up in the hospital during that reality show, was that like a huge part of the wake-up call?

Or was that just another occurrence? Oh, hell no. That shit was garbage. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Nigger went to the hospital because they was like, hey, man, let's just go and do it. You know, it's good for the show. The TV wanted? Oh, really.

You know. Oh, wow. I did drink something that fucked me up, though. Right. Right. Because, you know, got these things in there. They don't tell you about the motherfucker. I'd probably set me up, funny-ass niggas.

You know what I'm saying? But it's, what do they call that shit? Huh? Yeah, probiotics and shit This shit looked like it was Champagne, red champagne I was like, what? They got champagne in this bitch Poured that shit

Had a couple of sips Then I downed it And the nigga was done Whoa woozy filling all funny and shit Like wait a minute man What the fuck is this ain't? No what? They got in there's mushrooms Cause Wait, okay I can't

I just to go lay it down Rest heals everything. Oh, no, he's having a relapse. Oh, he's relapsing, an alcoholic relapse. Oh, what the fuck is wrong with you, man? This ain't no relapse of alcohol. Alcohol makes me have a ball or get angry. Man, I'm fucked up, man.

Like, my stomach is killing me. I'm barely moving. Fuck out of him. I need to go to sleep. Right. Because something's wrong. And when I find out what it is, somebody's getting fucked up. Then the doc came and talked to him.

like, well, you know, let's just go and do this. And, you know, it's good for the show. Let's just do it for the show. We know ain't nothing wrong with you. Made it happen. And everybody was like, oh, he had this. He had this went wrong. See, that's what I'm talking about.

People believe anything. Right. But that's the crazy thing about doing reality TV is that you could basically be in a position where you kind of have to do something that makes you look bad for the content that they're making. Yeah, unfortunately. You have any regrets about doing that?

You've done a few shows at this point, right? Oh, man, I don't have no regrets about it. It don't make me or break me. I'm a man. You know what I'm saying? All that shit is irrelevant. I'm corrupt. 30 years in this game, man.

My history is impeccable. You know, I make mistakes, and I climb up from it. Did you do that again? What's that? One of those shows? Of course. Really? My own.

You motherfucking right. I felt like it seemed like it seemed like. like it was putting some stress between you and your wife when I was watching the trailer. I granted I didn't watch the whole thing, but it seemed like it was putting some strain. That wasn't my wife at one. Oh, okay. And number two, you know, it really wasn't, because we went there with a plan. Look, we really don't need no motherfucking boot camping shit, you know what I'm saying?

Right. Exactly. Who does? It's a weird way to handle your problems, you know? Our age, you know what I'm saying? Look, we're going to go here. We're going to get this motherfucker. fucking cheese. Right. And let's just enjoy ourselves. We don't have no issues. And, you know,

you know, what happened happened, you know, she felt some kind of way and, you know, televised it. There was one part where you guys were at like podiums. And it looked like you were drunk. And you guys were like really getting into it. I was like, I almost want to stay up till like eight in the morning watching this entire show just so that I can know how that ended up being something that happened? Hey, the doctor was like, the doctor and the judge was like, are you drunk right now? No. Is he drunk right now? Yes. I ain't no motherfucking drunk. Like, who's going to tell him themselves? Because the fuck I look like, man. Right. You know what I'm saying? That was a stupid question.

Never admit that you're drunk. Like, look, what are you going to ask me a question you already know? Stupid? Fuck you mean am I drunk? I'm hammered. Fuck is wrong with you. You know what I am, man. I'm asking no stupid question. They ain't like them to say, yeah. Right. What the fuck does that? Robbed the story. Did you rob that story?

Yeah. I did. Yeah. Fuck does that. Fuck, no, I ain't drunk. Ask me another stupid-ass question. Stupid. You know what I'm saying?

What was better marriage boot camp or loving hip-up? I never was on loving hip-up. Really? You were supposed to be at one point, but then you didn't do it? Yeah, I was. No, I talked with the people with my ex-wife, and shit. It brought, you know, man. something about that television camera man just brings a different person out of people you know because

both of those shows I was having a ball you know what seemed like it yeah hey look man okay if the lady is saying his problem is drinking right okay so doc judge ma'am lady all right she says drinking is my problem right so why the fuck do y'all got a bar over this motherfucker that looks like fucking saturday night fever around this bitch fuck you think i'm gonna do me you know what you doing and guess what i'm going to participate right goddamn right free liquor big cheese all you got to do is not make me angry have fun with me you know what i'm saying but don't make me angry we already know what happens. Mr. McGee, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. You see I'm drinking. Have fun with me, because you don't want to turn me into that guy.

Okay? I'm having a time of my life. But, hey, exploitation is a motherfucker. I have no problem with you exploiting me with this check you giving me. Have a fucking ball. I'm on here so that me and this lady can get paid and have a good time doing it. She don't want to stick to the program. her choice. I'm going to have a ball. Now, if you make me angry, I have no problem with the world seeing that side of them because I just don't give a fuck. That was my mentality at the time. I was very miserable. You know what I'm saying? That's what misery does. It brings the worst out of you, helps you to make the worst decisions. Happiness helps you to be smart to make the best decisions. The best decision is that I would have never went on that show because it was beneath me.

Right. You know, if I'm going to do a show, it's got to be my own show. But that's what misery does. Yeah, like when we're looking at M and Dre and shit, it's like it's so clear that one very, very important part of their brand is just obsession with quality and never really debasing their personal brands. and you know there's got to be like infinite opportunities to do that when you've had a career that long but you know sometimes it's pretty tempting to just take the short-term bag huh extremely when you're around the wrong influences right you know what I'm saying Dr. Dr. Dr. Dredo is very smart he's rare too Dr. Drey's rare Snoop is rare Dr. Dr. Drey experienced fucking off cheese and doing all of that right there you know what I'm saying and helped him to become the man that he is.

But, you know, he has great influence around him, like Jimmy, Jimmy Iving. Jimmy's about that cheese and about his game. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Hey, that goes back to one of the things I learned as a youth from the elders. You know, if you hang around nothing pretty soon,

you'll be nothing, you know. If you hang around something, as long as you have an open mind to learn, Sooner or later, you'll become something because you hang around something, opportunities come. If you hang around nothing, opportunities come. Nothing opportunities. Right. No.

So the company you keep is very, very important. You see people who get the opportunity put in front of them, and it changes everything in their life. And then you see other people who could have countless opportunities placed in front of them, and it never really clicks. Right. This is your way out of your current situation. Right. You know, it's life, you know, who you surround yourself around is very important. They help you to make those good decisions, those right decisions, you know,

when you're incapable of making them yourself. And a lot of us are incapable of making these wise decisions on our own, especially when you grew up a certain kind of way. And then there's some that's blessed to already be ahead of that game. So you just got to know who you are. side note i was watching a music video that uh i do a podcast with uh he's got a d from compton and you guys actually did a christmas song i think you were both features on another artist's song but man i was like corrupt still wraps his ass off oh yeah i almost texted him and said corrupt

watched you on the song but i didn't know if he would feel weird about it i wouldn't do that i thought he might feel a little offended you know yeah i wouldn't do that and i felt like you guys had the best verses on the song so I wouldn't really want to emphasize that either way right right yeah I wouldn't do it I'm just saying definitely but you're a big you're a big Christmas guy definitely that's that song felt natural my mama used to make Christmas so beautiful but yeah man you know Christmas is a very important year for me because you know my experience with Christmas with my mama she always made it very very special so you know

When it comes to Christmas, you know, I try and bring the same to my family members. You know, it's hard nowadays because, you know, I'm an old man. So, you know, Christmas for me is just, hey, man, I just want, hey, babe, what do you want to get everybody? Okay, let's give it to them. Let's have a ball. Let me get back to this fight night. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I'm the Grinch. I feel it. How did it feel when you saw Little Uzi putting you in? top five. Really? You didn't see that? What happened? Lil Uzi Vurt was doing an interview with Fat Joe and he was doing his top five.

And there was a bunch of picks on the list that were like a little out of the ordinary, like a little surprising. Like he didn't just have like a basic ass like Biggie Tupac, whatever list. He actually had some interesting names that made me think that like, oh, this is a list that he's actually like put some thought into and you were on there. And I was impressed. Wow. Damn.

I'm not. Thank you very much. My guy, big oozy dog. Do you ever feel... He's from the ill adult. He is, and that's an interesting part of it. Yeah, very interesting. Thank you very much.

Wow. Now, see, that's an honor. Yeah. Yeah. That's an honor. Good looking, dog. Do you ever feel like you haven't necessarily been given the flowers that you deserve in terms of your content and whatnot.

Like obviously you're a legend in the game, but like when I saw Uzi say that, it occurred to me, I'm surprised I haven't heard his name in Moore top fives. To be honest, I love my flowers that I get from the people that give them to me. You know, I'm very appreciative of that. You know, those that don't

give me those flowers, it doesn't offend me, or I feel like I should get those flowers, you know. The flowers I get, I'm saying, satisfied with, you know, and I'm going to keep putting out music and, you know, hopefully I'll get on that level. I feel, you know, I got a lot of work to do to get on those levels right there. It's not impossible to do. Jigga did it, you know, and I remember when Jigga first started because I'm not mistaken, he was a DJ. You know what I'm saying?

And he went from being a DJ to being an entrepreneur and one of the greatest empersees of all time. greatest business man. Entrepreneur. Right. Greatest business, exactly. But he became one of the greatest emcees of all time.

You know, so it's not impossible, you know what I'm saying, to do, you know, if you put your mind to it. So, and also there's no age limit on this. Hip hop is forever. It's music,

and music is eternal. So, you know. Every time you get booked on one of those, like, 90s, West Coast type festivals, is that something that you're very excited about in terms of just getting to see everybody

and just, I don't know, that must be a fucking good-ass feeling. It's an accomplishment. It's like a high school reunion type thing over and over, right? A little bit more than that. It's an accomplishment that, you know, to be, you know, at first we was the baby,

the baby G's, the Little Lokes. And now we're the originals. And that is a very big, accomplishments. A lot of artists, majority artists, they come, they go, but we made music that was labeled, well, that is timeless. We made history, and that's extremely hard to accomplish. That's rare. And for any of these places to say, or these festivals to say, we want to bring the keys of the 90s to the table and I'm included that feels great

that's historic you know and I still feel I have more to accomplish because I'm not on dogs level you know and that's a level that I'm shooting to get on like you said I agree with you with that because I was on the airplane flying into Newark and Snoop's on the plane with me

now shit I remember when dog wasn't on none of them We went to a club once. They playing G-thing inside. And we all come up, they see Snoop. Snoop's like, oh, what's up, man? I'm Snoop, dog. And they was like, okay. Like, okay, we're trying to get in.

And they hit Snoop with a price. Like, you got to pay. Talk, like, what the fuck you mean? I got to pay. That's me right there, y'all playing. Y'all playing my shit. They were playing G-Thing. Man, that's me right there.

Man, 100 bucks. He went from that to being on an airplane, his corona commercials, on the airplane, in the airport, dog is on television, Corona commercials. Cooking show with Martha Stewart. Come on, Kaz. But only after she caught the Fed case. Well, shit. She had to kind of come to the dark side.

Man, Martha been the dark side. Y'all thought she was on the light side, nigga. You knew she was up to no good? Man, we already knew Martha was a gangster. You know what I'm saying? This shit. And Martha was gangster, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

And hey, man, you know, she got caught in what she do. She rode it out. And that's crazy. Martha did her time. And I think a lot of rappers kind of gained a level of respect right there. Shit, man. Martha, look, let me tell you something. She's cut from a different cloth for me.

No, the respect we give to Martha is, it's irrelevant, man. She ain't even in the circle of fun. You know what I'm saying? Martha is fucking on a different level. And that's what's so great the love she has for Snoopy. You see what I'm saying? Because she's from a different place.

She's already upper echelon. And for her to respect and love the dog like that, tells you something great about the dog. Right. That's true. I got one last question for you. Sure. whenever any of these young rappers pass away,

a lot of times I notice that there's a conversation about Tupac. Like, is it fair to compare this person's career to Tupac? Or, you know, what was it that? You know, I remember when XXSentatio, who I was real close with, he died, and I said something on a podcast or something, I said something about like, this is like Tupac for this younger generation. I had TMZ in my emails, like moments later, trying to get me to, you know, reiterate that on camera

because still Tupac's name rings bells to the extent that if you just compare a new rapper to them, that's newsworthy. On TMZ, it's like one of the biggest news sources and they want to put that as a headline. What do you think of that? And is it fair to put anyone in that kind of conversation? And what is it that keeps Tupac's name still that relevant?

Well, the thing about it is the struggle Tupac went through, you know, to compare somebody to Tupac, you know, is it, I don't know, it's kind of disrespectful. You know what I'm saying? They ain't been through that struggle. They ain't did what he had to do to make it. It's bigger than rap. To say that, it's like saying a boxer is the Muhammad Ali of his time.

It's impossible. You know what I'm saying? It's literally impossible, you know. There's only one. Muhammad Ali. And that is a problem, though. You can't keep comparing people to people. Why can't they be their own individual? originality. Everything is compared to somebody. You can't. There'll never be another Muhammad Ali. There'll never be another Floyd Mayweather. There'll never be another great like these guys. You really think that, though? Why can't someone be better than them?

Yeah, that's the point. Better than. They can't be them. Right. So if they're better than, then they wrote their own ticket. Sports is different than music too, though. Sports and music, piece, pipe, crack pipe, same thing. Same thing. There will never be another Michael Jordan. Why can't Kobe just be Kobe?

Right. You see what I'm saying? But you can say, okay, Kobe is to this generation what Michael Jordan wants to another generation. It's easy to say that. You ain't talking about his talent and skills. You're talking about how the people embrace him. You see what I'm saying? But you ain't talking about his skill.

He has the same skill as Michael Jordan. No. You can say, like you said, because the key is, see, I'm a lawyer by trade psychologist. I see that. You're arguing. Argumentary skills are better than average. And all you're doing is coming up with a way to justify your theory. See?

But you're still saying the same thing. He's like. He reminds you of something. Like triple X, rest in peace. What reminded you of Pock in him, Cus? There was like a certain emotional, visceral attitude of just really, I don't know, just really being like... Did you know to Puck? No, of course not.

So therefore, how are you going to say Cuzz is like Pocke in him and no Cuss? I'm talking about the relationship that I think the fans had to. You're talking about, exactly, Cus. Fuck all of that, Cus. You don't even know Cud. Don't say somebody's like somebody you don't know. You ain't been around, Cuzz. See how people get emotional.

I was just giving you an example. I was thinking, I'm like, is this going to be the viral moment? You just saw your face, though. You was like, oh, shit. I was like, is this like the Kundergram? TMZ shit. What the, no, I'll just say, you see how people, because, you know, those that met him, that know him,

yes, it's an offense to say anybody's like Cuss. He's dead. you couldn't say that if he was alive right because that's another thing why you wouldn't say he was like Pock because he wouldn't come to the no jumper headquarters

sure he would no we got corrupt you got Corona I mean we might have some coronas but I'm just saying yeah that boy ain't gonna come to Los Angeles man come knock on that door

okay but how do you feel about To POP will come to that door right but people get remembered differently when they pass away right especially young yeah because you know the earth is built of different opinions freedom of speech is one of the things about

America a lot of people have different views of things everybody ain't right everybody ain't wrong when it comes to opinions there is no right or wrong there's only how that particular person feels there's never a right or a wrong in an

opinion see what I'm saying and opinions are like assholes everybody got one Nobody's right or wrong. Nobody can say that triple X is not like Tupac because, you know, that's your opinion. See? That's your opinion.

Nobody can say your opinion is wrong because Triple X reminded you of Tupac. Right. It don't remind Razz of Tupap. Don't remind Tupap. Got you. A little subtle head shake there. You know what I'm saying?

Right. They don't remind Lili Tupac. But there's a lot of people that would agree with you. They share your same views. So, you know, hey, man, you can say anybody. You know, my dog blue, you know what I'm saying? She reminds me of my, you know, my pistol. Right?

Because I wanted to kill everything that comes my way. Get them! Get them! Right? It's just the way I feel, right? It can't nobody tell me no different. When I snap that finger and she motherfuckers shoot your ass, some sharp-ass teeth from that strong bite.

Same effect. You're going down. That's all it is, because. So if he reminds you more power to you, guys, you know what I'm saying? Nobody can say you wrong because it's your personal opinion. But you also got to deal with those that look at that man. You know, people out there hurt you over that type of shit.

Motherfuckers go crazy. They go nuts. The world is a place of people nuts, man. They'll fuck a person up over that type of shit. Really? Man, you better ask Raider fans. Say something about the Raiders. I dare.

I dare. I never, say something about the Raiders. I never seen a game. Say something about the Dodgers. Never seen a game. Say something about the East Coast. We don't. Say something about the Yankees.

Say something about the... Sox, red socks, for the record. And you can say whatever you want. I'm not that invested. Say something about the Red Sox to Ben Affleck. I just realized you... Say something to him. Say anything.

Did anyone else notice that he was... He's going to dive on. He's wearing headphones, like two sets of headphones. You have the headphones around your neck and on your head? How did it take me that long to notice that? I'm wearing the headphones I have to wear, and I'm also wearing the headphones that I like. Hello! We could have maybe plug those in.

I don't know how it works exactly, but... Yeah, we could have. But I like your headphones, man. You understand me? This is all about the no jumper, okay? I want to be a part of the experience. You're going to fit in with the kids. Man, I want to do it.

You got to do it. You still get the good. by Dre boxes sent to the house? Hell no. Damn. Yeah, man, you know, that shit's over with, nigga. And they got to go to the store.

Let's go get them motherfuckers, man. Yeah. You did? Let's show, let's show, let's show big bro some support. Yeah. Go buy these motherfuckers. See, Dr. Dre, like, man, I bought these.

Look, it's corrupt. And then he'll give me some free ones, too. Here you go, man. These the new ones. Damn. Why don't I even buy these motherfuckers? Well, shit. Now, I got two.

I'm going to say, I'm going to get this to one of my kids. And then when I get to the house, they're like, oh, well, Dad, you got those? Let me get those. Hell no. These are collectors items. Hell no. I ain't giving my Dr. Dr. Dr. St. Nobody.

Rule number one. Rule number one. Yeah, man. Keep this shit, man. Put that shit up, man. Rainy day. Hoarder. Do you relate to that show?

Hell, yeah, I relate to that goddamn shit. My mama was a hoarder. Make me wish I was a hoarder. I probably have all my plaques. Now my plaques is spreaded everywhere. My baby mama got my plaques. My ex-wife got my plaques. I should have hoarded those motherfuckers.

I should have hit them from the door. I got the opposite problem. I don't save anything. Me neither. That's why my plaques is with my baby mama and my ex-wife. Shit, I should have hoarded them motherfuckers. I did put something with my mama, though, because she kept shit and put them in the cut.

You know what I'm saying? So, hey, I ain't mad. But can you imagine if you even still had, like, your clothes from the 90s? That shit would be worth so much money and it would be so tight to look at. It would be like the coolest shit ever. So now I can't.

It'd be so tight to wear it too. I can't throw clothes away anymore. So like I look at these t-shirts and I'm like, fuck, in five years, I'm going to think this shirt is so sick. Ten years. Yeah, I still got that. I got that problem that we used to have because, you know, I don't even, once you wear them, all right,

throw those motherfuckers away. I need new ones. Fuck bad. You can't wash them. Yeah. I don't want to send them to the dry cleaners. I forget about them. motherfuckers are being that motherfucker till I turn 100.

Right. I got so many clothes and different dry cleaners that a nigga forgot all about because I'm like, damn, man, if I go to the dry cleaners, I probably got fucking four years worth of clothes in that bitch. They should sell them. If I was to pass away, they'd probably be selling a lot of shit. Oh, man, I got this stuff right here. This came from corrupt. Right here, Chinese people would be rich.

Oh, no, I'm not. All rich. Northridge, rich. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. Right.

I think I'm going to start doing that. Right. Oh, yeah. That's tight. I mean, why not? Hey, I appreciate you coming through, man. I mean, it's been a pleasure. COVID is over, so we can shake hands.

COVID is over. I walked into Starbucks today, no mask. Good job. Just. You know, one motherfucker walked into the store with no mask. They started tripping when he'll be shot. I saw that. Shot all of them.

I'm kind of late in the game to be doing that, huh? Man, check it out. Good luck. Corrupt. Yes, sir. The man. Thank you very much. No Jumper.

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